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| admin_ | :( | 00:00 |
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| LoCusF | is it possible to mount a iso-image on n810? | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | (but i'm off to bed now) | 00:02 |
| LoCusF | without extra modules? | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | locusf: nope | 00:02 |
| * spirytusick is back | 00:02 | |
| LoCusF | ok | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | iso9660 or fuse is required | 00:02 |
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| pupnik | wtf... getting lots of segfaults now.. but not every time, just 95% of the time | 00:05 |
| admin_ | apparently I needed to install xterm before all else | 00:05 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: same here | 00:06 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: check if the disk image you are trying to load is not packed with anything | 00:06 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: I was trying to use dms'ed images but they crash uae everytime | 00:06 |
| pupnik | these are images that worked fine an hour ago | 00:06 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: just so you know, ehb and ham modes are a little messed up colourwise and some trashing | 00:07 |
| pupnik | ok | 00:07 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: try game unreal and walker, i've took some screenshots if you want | 00:08 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: it might be uae4all bugs, not specific maemo error, I have got no gp2x to try... :( | 00:09 |
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| pupnik | [Switching to Thread 1073794048 (LWP 1461)] | 00:10 |
| pupnik | unrecognized_callback () at src/m68k/cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp:231 | 00:10 |
| pupnik | 231 uae_u16 arg = *(uae_u16 *)(pc+2); | 00:10 |
| pupnik | the walls are going bendy | 00:11 |
| pupnik | ok it's something nasty about the kickstart | 00:12 |
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| pupnik | btw spirytusick you can page forward in the file browser with right-dpad | 00:13 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: ql thanks, I will test some more games and demos tonight.. nostalgia can be fun :) | 00:15 |
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| Dazgard | thanks guys | 00:16 |
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| Dazgard | does someone have "/lib/iptables/libipt_MASQUERADE.so" please ? | 00:17 |
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| admin_ | hey again, I removed the whole osso-chat, as I never use it. now I'm left with a blank area where it used to be ( http://imagebin.org/14686 ) Any ideas how to fix that? | 01:12 |
| Proteous | white out? | 01:12 |
| admin_ | yeah | 01:12 |
| Proteous | maybe a sticker or something | 01:12 |
| admin_ | lol | 01:13 |
| Proteous | :P | 01:13 |
| admin_ | hmm, I was thinking there's a menu conf. file somewhere :) | 01:13 |
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| lcuk_3 | admin_ you have plenty of ram on your nokia :) | 01:31 |
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| lcuk_3 | have you tried rebooting | 01:32 |
| admin_ | yeah | 01:34 |
| admin_ | no luck lcuk_3 :( | 01:34 |
| lcuk_3 | can you rearrange the panels on the 770? on my 810 i can configure that area from control panel/panels if you have similar you could try going in and resaving it | 01:35 |
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| guerby-n810 | test | 01:38 |
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| lcuk_3 | according to the RFC on internet connectivity the international statement for checking should be "ping" | 01:40 |
| guerby | lcuk_3, pong :) | 01:40 |
| lcuk_3 | first time with xchat on 810? | 01:41 |
| guerby | lcuk_3, oh no I'm an old timer, this was with the latest pidgin | 01:42 |
| lcuk_3 | cool | 01:43 |
| guerby | lcuk_3, couldn't find an option to auto connect to multiple chans | 01:43 |
| * Brains tried out pidgin the other day, wasn't too thrilled. Figured xchat would be the next one to check out. | 01:43 | |
| guerby | Brains, yeah I use xchat :) | 01:43 |
| lcuk_3 | xchat works pretty much like you expect it to, apart from there isnt too much space to list chans or users | 01:43 |
| * Brains was debating on looking up BitchX for the N810... | 01:43 | |
| lcuk_3 | also, the grey on white for your own text really doesn't stand out on the 810 screen | 01:44 |
| magicrobotmonkey | im trying to disable the link navigation and its not working | 01:44 |
| lcuk_3 | magicrobotmonkey, you mentioned this earlier before i went out - ill try and find the deb i installed | 01:44 |
| magicrobotmonkey | heh i just read the comment at the top of prefs.js | 01:45 |
| derf | ssh+irssi is all you need. | 01:45 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea thats what i use | 01:46 |
| magicrobotmonkey | lcuk_3: i got it now, just had to rtfm | 01:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | thanks | 01:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | now reader will be useable | 01:48 |
| lcuk_3 | and theres me just finding what i needed... | 01:49 |
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| lcuk_3 | i best post it here anyway (the bug and a link to the .deb ) | 01:49 |
| lcuk_3 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423#c7 | 01:49 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | thx, lcuk_3 | 02:03 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | while im here, does anyone know how to open a link from the term? | 02:04 |
| magicrobotmonkey | without copy/pasting, i mean | 02:06 |
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| Brains | Hmm... Why does it seem that most of the multimedia stuff looks only at either the internal memory or the SD cards? I mean, I can't be the only one that is mounting a network drive... | 02:08 |
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| pupnik | :( | 02:10 |
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| pupnik | well i gots rid of teh segfaults. doesn't crash anymore | 02:18 |
| pupnik | but it does give a nice black screen 100% of the time | 02:18 |
| pupnik | genius! thankyouu. | 02:18 |
| jott | i got the mouse almost working :) | 02:19 |
| pupnik | awesome | 02:20 |
| pupnik | have you seen frequent non-determinate segfaults on this line ? | 02:20 |
| pupnik | uae_u16 arg = *(uae_u16 *)(pc+2); | 02:20 |
| jott | i think its almost impossible to do the mouse 100% right.. | 02:20 |
| jott | hmm not yet.. no | 02:20 |
| pupnik | in cyclone/m68k_intrf.cpp | 02:20 |
| pupnik | might have something to do with my compile-time flags | 02:21 |
| pupnik | notice it's doing pointer stuff | 02:21 |
| jott | maybe you do not execute 68000 code? | 02:21 |
| jott | cyclone does not support enhanced instruction sets.. | 02:21 |
| pupnik | -falign-loops=2 -falign-functions=2 -falign-jumps=2 | 02:21 |
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| pupnik | have you a modified makefile jott? | 02:23 |
| jott | i talked with the maintainer of pocketuae and he has the same problem with the mouse | 02:23 |
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| pupnik | yeah that's important work you doing | 02:23 |
| jott | not really the one from KotCzarny | 02:23 |
| jott | the problem is, that the mouse hack is sprite based (i.e. tracks the mouse sprite) | 02:24 |
| jott | but the hotspot of the sprite is always assumed to be the upper left corner | 02:24 |
| jott | and lemmings uses this crosshair | 02:24 |
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| pupnik | how about a button toggle to enable calibrate mode | 02:26 |
| jott | maybe i could add some extra settings to the menu, like mouse offset x/y | 02:26 |
| pupnik | and user just clicks on position of screen where current poitner is | 02:26 |
| pupnik | crosshair *or* arrow | 02:26 |
| jott | yeah might be another way | 02:26 |
| jott | if there is an easy way to leave the emulation state | 02:27 |
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| |thunder | yay | 02:28 |
| |thunder | maemo | 02:28 |
| jott | may the source be with you! | 02:28 |
| pupnik | jott i don't see it offhand, but whenever it enters menu mode, the emulation is paused | 02:29 |
| jott | yeah i guess one could track what happens there :) | 02:29 |
| |thunder | hey all, kismet_client wont start. Says xterm is missing. What can I sym link to which will cover that ? ln -s osso-xterm didnt work | 02:29 |
| pupnik | i can't even get the bastich to run now | 02:29 |
| pupnik | what OS |thunder | 02:30 |
| |thunder | os2008 | 02:30 |
| pupnik | k, i have no idea | 02:30 |
| |thunder | lol, what about anyother os ? | 02:30 |
| jott | maybe a shell script? #!/bin/sh osso-xterm $@ ? | 02:31 |
| |thunder | i have to tp be able to get nano to install | 02:31 |
| |thunder | hrm, may I can echo > it | 02:31 |
| jott | or use vi :) .. | 02:31 |
| |thunder | never figured that one out ;p | 02:32 |
| jott | but echo -e "#!/bin/sh\nosso-xterm $@" should also work :) | 02:32 |
| pupnik | is it supposed to work under 08? | 02:32 |
| |thunder | ya | 02:32 |
| jott | erm .. echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nosso-xterm $@' > xterm | 02:33 |
| |thunder | :) | 02:33 |
| |thunder | just says permission denied, and im root | 02:35 |
| jott | rm the link :) | 02:35 |
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| pupnik | kickstart 1.2 jott? | 02:39 |
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| jott | the only working for me so far is 3.1 :/ | 02:39 |
| pupnik | the rest segfault after boot? | 02:40 |
| jott | others crashed with illegal 68k jumps.. | 02:40 |
| pupnik | ok! | 02:40 |
| pupnik | that makes me very happy | 02:41 |
| jott | well the cyclone core is far from perfect ;) | 02:41 |
| jott | but its fast :) | 02:42 |
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| |thunder | ohh, i almost didnt recognize you | 02:43 |
| elb | haha | 02:48 |
| |thunder | elb, you play urban terror 4 ? | 03:01 |
| elb | no? | 03:08 |
| pupnik | jott: i may have a workaround - still testing. using the same discs and kickstarts, i seem to avoid segfaults if i boot up the emu first without a floppy inserted - let the picture prompt come up, then insert the floppy image | 03:08 |
| jott | ah | 03:09 |
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| jott | i think your idea might work (calibrate with extra click) | 03:09 |
| lcuk_3 | .... maybe your disk image has a bootblock virus o.O | 03:09 |
| jott | was there an amiga disk without a virus?! :P | 03:10 |
| lcuk_3 | lol | 03:10 |
| lcuk_3 | i used to have noclick bootblocks and some other crap as well | 03:11 |
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| pupnik | i have no amiga experience. just like to watch the blinkenlights | 03:18 |
| pupnik | jott if you ever find cycle-counter register (something more accurate than a time() function) please let me know | 03:20 |
| pupnik | i forgot what it's called on the pentium | 03:21 |
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| jott | pupnik: clock() does not work? | 03:22 |
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| pupnik | hrm didn't know that | 03:23 |
| pupnik | ty | 03:23 |
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| jott | woot mouse calibration seems to work | 03:27 |
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| * jott finally plays lemmings :) | 03:27 | |
| pupnik | awesome | 03:27 |
| jott | has little glitches but overall seems fine | 03:28 |
| doc|home | lemmings?! | 03:28 |
| jott | on amiga :) | 03:28 |
| doc|home | not on maemo? | 03:28 |
| jott | uae | 03:28 |
| doc|home | mean! | 03:28 |
| jott | runs super smooth and nice :) | 03:28 |
| * doc|home wants lemmings :( | 03:28 | |
| jott | well i do some clean-up | 03:29 |
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| jott | i guess we get a really nice uae this weekend :) | 03:29 |
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| jott | i'm still not sure on how to process mouse clicks.. | 03:30 |
| jott | it's really nice for lemmings to have an instant click but workbench would probably be better with manual clicks :) | 03:30 |
| jott | and it might be nice to have some visual feedback for my mouse calibration :) | 03:31 |
| pupnik | great stuff. what else is on your todo/wishlist jott? | 03:31 |
| jott | currently it justs holds the emulator and expects a mouse click on the hotspot of the mouse :) | 03:31 |
| jott | well i guess sound | 03:31 |
| jott | and .. better resolution handling i guess | 03:31 |
| pupnik | different backend? not oss? | 03:31 |
| pupnik | or fixed lower frequency / buffer? | 03:31 |
| pupnik | i'd really like to hear stereo | 03:31 |
| jott | well yeah just use sdl_mixer or something | 03:31 |
| pupnik | i've heard/seen bad things about sdl_mixer | 03:32 |
| jott | well actually my n810 is muted most of the time anyway :) | 03:32 |
| jott | hm yeah there are probably better solutions | 03:32 |
| jott | lemmings runs so incredible nice :) | 03:33 |
| * jott has to test syndicate | 03:34 | |
| jott | i wonder what the best solution would be to make the calibration usability wise.. | 03:35 |
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| pupnik | actually esd mix_mono_16s_to_stereo_32s_sv only took 0.55% time in my last run | 03:35 |
| pupnik | do you have to recalibrate after calibrating once? | 03:36 |
| pupnik | in-game | 03:36 |
| jott | well you have to calibrate on every change of the mouse pointer | 03:36 |
| jott | (or to be more exact on the change of the hotspot of the mouse pointer) | 03:36 |
| pupnik | i guess binding it to a button then | 03:36 |
| jott | yeah currently the fullscreen button has to be pressed | 03:37 |
| jott | after that it waits for a click on the hotspot and continiues emulation | 03:38 |
| pupnik | sounds optimal to me | 03:38 |
| jott | http://www.mrdictionary.net/lemmings/ <- also a nice project but probably bigger porting effort | 03:38 |
| jott | "You rescued 100% WOW! You saved every Lemming. TOTALLY EXCELLENT!" hehe those where the days :) | 03:42 |
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| Pauline92 | Hi | 03:48 |
| pupnik | hi | 03:48 |
| Pauline92 | Guys with the N770. How do you deal with the transfer rate? | 03:49 |
| Pauline92 | For me to transfer 500MB it takes hours! | 03:49 |
| pupnik | a card reader for PC is fastest | 03:49 |
| Pauline92 | Will an SD slot fir the microsd cards with that attachment? | 03:50 |
| pupnik | there is a hacked kernel that can speed up mmc speed many times | 03:50 |
| pupnik | 770 uses RSMMC | 03:50 |
| pupnik | the standard kernel writes to mmc slightly faster than an old-style floppy drive :| | 03:51 |
| Pauline92 | What is the hacked kernel? | 03:51 |
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| Pauline92 | Sorry | 03:52 |
| Pauline92 | My laptop died | 03:52 |
| pupnik | http://fanoush.webpark.cz/maemo/ see kernel-sdhc | 03:52 |
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| Pauline92 | I guess I have to find my card writer | 03:53 |
| Pauline92 | Why didn't people mention the slow write speeds when reviewing the N770. It seems kind of obvious that that is a flaw | 03:54 |
| pupnik | did you find the flaw in the first few hours of use? | 03:54 |
| Pauline92 | Yes | 03:55 |
| Pauline92 | As soon as I tried loading a 10MB file | 03:55 |
| Pauline92 | Now I get errors when transferring 500MB files | 03:55 |
| pupnik | that's a known problem | 03:55 |
| Pauline92 | ... | 03:55 |
| pupnik | i gave you the link to the fix | 03:55 |
| lcuk_3 | Pauline92, fortunately nokia noticed the problem and have released a couple of patches since the original n770 ;) | 03:56 |
| Pauline92 | It says it may make my N770 inoperable | 03:56 |
| Pauline92 | Which patches in particular lcuk_3? | 03:56 |
| lcuk_3 | n800 and n810 | 03:56 |
| Pauline92 | lol | 03:56 |
| lcuk_3 | as for your actual problem, are you running the original os2006? | 03:57 |
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| Pauline92 | lcuk_3 - yes | 03:57 |
| lcuk_3 | im not sure if it makes a difference, but have you looked at using on the the later hacker editions? | 03:57 |
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| Pauline92 | I didn't know if they'd speed things up | 03:58 |
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| lcuk_3 | nor do i. the person to really ask would be GeneralAntilles, he seems to have every version of every nokia tablet available | 03:59 |
| Pauline92 | OK | 03:59 |
| Pauline92 | GeneralAntilles! | 03:59 |
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| lcuk_3 | hmmmm just did a scrollback, doesnt look like hes been on for a day or so (unusual cos hes normally lurking) | 04:01 |
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| pupnik | wb unique311 | 04:06 |
| unique311 | just the person i was looking for. | 04:06 |
| unique311 | i need help with dosbox | 04:06 |
| * pupnik hides | 04:06 | |
| pupnik | ah ok | 04:06 |
| unique311 | lol | 04:06 |
| unique311 | i want to run a game | 04:06 |
| unique311 | but it requires a maindisk to be loaded before i load the game | 04:07 |
| unique311 | xkbd is not playing nice | 04:07 |
| pupnik | yeah it's brokenz | 04:07 |
| pupnik | so like - it needs a floppy image in drive A: ? | 04:08 |
| pupnik | you can mount a directory as a particular drive | 04:08 |
| pupnik | so if it's not copy protected do something like | 04:08 |
| unique311 | yes | 04:08 |
| pupnik | mount A: /path/to/game/dir | 04:09 |
| unique311 | ok | 04:09 |
| pupnik | you can also put that in /usr/share/dosbox/automount.conf | 04:09 |
| unique311 | so load the main disk with rubybox | 04:10 |
| unique311 | and when it ask for the floppy | 04:10 |
| unique311 | ithe mount A: should cover that | 04:10 |
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| unique311 | s/ithe/the | 04:11 |
| unique311 | /home/user$ mount A: /home/user/pinball.EXE | 04:12 |
| unique311 | mount: A: Unknown host | 04:12 |
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| pupnik | jott: still awake? | 04:39 |
| jott | yep | 04:39 |
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| jott | more or less atleast :) | 04:39 |
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| pupnik | have you tried the 'run uae4all before selecting disk' trick with some kickstarts? | 04:40 |
| jott | not yet.. let me test | 04:40 |
| jott | hmm yeah seems to work here too | 04:42 |
| jott | let me confirm | 04:42 |
| jott | hm no :/ | 04:43 |
| jott | does not work . | 04:43 |
| pupnik | ok | 04:43 |
| jott | atleast | 04:43 |
| jott | not with the one i just tested | 04:43 |
| pupnik | well at least i have a workaround that works for me | 04:43 |
| jott | // do we really need to do this? I've seen some cores never clearing the upper bits | 04:43 |
| jott | // and pushing them, etc. But in that case kickstart 1.3 hangs because cmp @ fc090e fails. | 04:44 |
| jott | hm :p | 04:44 |
| pupnik | stereo sound seems to be as fast - but here it's quitting after about 1 minute | 04:44 |
| pupnik | you can enable here | 04:45 |
| pupnik | src/sound_gp2x.cpp:275: if (gp2x_start_sound(sound_rate, 16, 1) != 0) // ARNIM try stereo | 04:45 |
| pupnik | src/sound_gp2x.cpp:290: if (gp2x_start_sound(sound_rate, 16, 1) != 0) | 04:45 |
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| jott | in the end it would be nice to not abstract from gp2x :/ .. its a mess that GP2X is defined for N8x0 | 04:46 |
| jott | erm to | 04:47 |
| jott | anyway.. its starts to get messy this way :) | 04:47 |
| pupnik | sure | 04:47 |
| jott | anyway.. i'm happy as i can finally play lemmings now ;) | 04:47 |
| RayTracer` | there's lemmings for gp2x? | 04:48 |
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| pupnik | yeah that's a very welcome fixup jott | 04:48 |
| jott | there is an amiga emulator for gp2x :) | 04:48 |
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| RayTracer` | well lemmings came out for amiga? | 04:48 |
| RayTracer` | I only played PC and nintendo versions :) | 04:49 |
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| jott | hehe the amiga version was the best version of all :) | 04:49 |
| RayTracer` | sweet | 04:49 |
| jott | (2 player mode) | 04:49 |
| RayTracer` | there's pingus which just got ported | 04:49 |
| RayTracer` | to os2008 | 04:49 |
| RayTracer` | pingus isn't as fun | 04:49 |
| jott | yeah but lemmings is much nicer :) | 04:49 |
| RayTracer` | indeed | 04:49 |
| RayTracer` | where could I find amiga lemmings? | 04:49 |
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| jott | ebay or google i suppose ;> | 04:50 |
| RayTracer` | er yeah this is a semi official place | 04:50 |
| RayTracer` | nm | 04:50 |
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| christefano | is there a utility that modifies OS 2008's capitalization behaviour? | 04:56 |
| christefano | it seems to want to capitalize every first letter in a sentence. | 04:56 |
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| pupnik | meh .. not set up for stereo | 04:58 |
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| RayTracer` | christefano it's in control panel | 04:58 |
| RayTracer` | under text input settings | 04:59 |
| RayTracer` | languages -> settings | 04:59 |
| christefano | thanks! I see it right there | 04:59 |
| RayTracer` | np | 04:59 |
| RayTracer` | I turned off word prediction | 05:00 |
| RayTracer` | that way I don't get an annoying bar when I use my 810's keyboard | 05:00 |
| christefano | I'm doing that, too. it takes up screen real estate | 05:00 |
| RayTracer` | you really gain a lot | 05:00 |
| RayTracer` | are you considering a BT keyboard? | 05:00 |
| RayTracer` | almost everyone on my team where I work has an 810.. one is getting a simple palm bt keyboard | 05:01 |
| christefano | I'm thinking about the iGo | 05:01 |
| RayTracer` | not sure if I want to | 05:01 |
| RayTracer` | they're going away.. been discontinued 2-3 weeks now | 05:01 |
| RayTracer` | very rare | 05:01 |
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| christefano | the iGo bluetooth keyboard? | 05:01 |
| RayTracer` | I wish these had infrared built in | 05:01 |
| RayTracer` | yep | 05:01 |
| RayTracer` | IR keyboards were the shit back in the day | 05:02 |
| pupnik | jott: also it's possible to run the renderer at native amiga resolution and have xsp scaling do non-integer stretching for free | 05:02 |
| pupnik | right now the bottom is cut off of some games/demos | 05:02 |
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| jott | pupnik: yep i also had this thought | 05:02 |
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| jott | KotCzarny / pupnik: http://sse2.net/uae_mouse_patch.diff first version | 05:05 |
| pupnik | was just going to ask :) | 05:06 |
| pupnik | jott, another question. do you think it might be possible for the cyclone core to use vfp to perform maths? | 05:08 |
| pupnik | or did amiga games rarely use FP | 05:08 |
| jott | uhm 68k had no fpu but with full instruction support vfp might become handy :) | 05:09 |
| jott | but i guess this would be a bit more involved :) | 05:10 |
| pupnik | yeah just curious | 05:10 |
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| RayTracer` | so is gp2x an amiga emulator? | 05:10 |
| RayTracer` | or gp2x is a different platform? | 05:10 |
| pupnik | no it's a handheld gaming device | 05:11 |
| pupnik | right | 05:11 |
| RayTracer` | so is there a good amiga emulator for os2008? | 05:11 |
| jott | but many gp2x ports use sdl so its sometimes possible to backport gp2x optimized ports to NITs :) | 05:11 |
| jott | RayTracer`: work in progress :) | 05:12 |
| RayTracer` | ahhhh | 05:12 |
| jott | KotCzarny found a nice gp2x uae port with optimized emulation core | 05:12 |
| RayTracer` | same cpu and screen, diff OS? | 05:13 |
| RayTracer` | right | 05:13 |
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| jott | so we try to make it run on n8x0 atm | 05:13 |
| jott | (make it usable) | 05:13 |
| jott | mouse should work now more or less | 05:13 |
| pupnik | my brain hurtz.. is audio.cpp mixing everything to mono? :| | 05:14 |
| jott | atleast it's possible to play lemmings :) | 05:14 |
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| pupnik | there's an AUDxLCL and AUDxLCH but no AUDxRCL and AUDxRCH. maybe that's a hint | 05:17 |
| pupnik | they really changed it from stock UAE | 05:19 |
| pupnik | pretty sure it's mono-only | 05:19 |
| RayTracer` | is GP2X a mono device? | 05:22 |
| pupnik | nah can't be | 05:23 |
| pupnik | it's not a big deal anyway | 05:25 |
| pupnik | just would be nice to have | 05:25 |
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| pupnik | just looks like it'll require real work :) | 05:31 |
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| mchang | greets | 07:19 |
| mchang | anyone here tonight? | 07:19 |
| smackpotato | yo | 07:22 |
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| pupnik | ok top is reporting esd using 2.9% cpu converting 22khz uae to 44 | 07:28 |
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| nwidger | hello | 07:36 |
| nwidger | is there a channel to ask stuff about maemo mapper or should i just ask here? | 07:36 |
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| pupnik | yes | 07:41 |
| nwidger | ok | 07:41 |
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| pupnik | also try searching internettablettalk.com | 07:42 |
| nwidger | so how do i get maemo mapper to download everything i need for a route so that when i leave my house and lose my internet connection it doesnt complain | 07:42 |
| pupnik | i dunno - maybe someone else does | 07:42 |
| nwidger | ah okay | 07:42 |
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| pupnik | KotCzarny: awake? | 08:02 |
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| eichi | hello, is there something like a "umts-mouse modem" with bluetooth that i dont need a handy for that? | 09:33 |
| pupnik | yes i've seen a picture of one in use in eastern europe | 09:35 |
| pupnik | s/mouse// | 09:36 |
| pupnik | google "umts modem" | 09:36 |
| pupnik | maybe it was usb based, i forgot | 09:36 |
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| eichi | pupnik, http://www.moobicent.de/uploads/pics/teaser_usb-easy-box_528x180px.jpg you mean this? | 09:46 |
| pupnik | what I saw looked different | 09:47 |
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| BugBlue | why would I upgrade my N810 from 50-2 to 51-3? | 10:14 |
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| keesj | because it's there ! | 10:15 |
| BugBlue | a good reason from much people but I'd rather see some convincing arguments (like a changelog or so) | 10:16 |
| BugBlue | oke there is one: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html: no changes | 10:18 |
| johnx | BugBlue, The only reason is if you're reflashing anyways or if you have the power on/off problem it solves | 10:24 |
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| lopz | hi | 10:43 |
| pupnik | heh stupid n810 tricks.. /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternPsychedelia" | 10:43 |
| pupnik | pretty old i guess | 10:43 |
| johnx | pupnik, cool though...it's nice to have more "shell level" access to stuff | 10:44 |
| johnx | BTW, I can't stop playing pingus O_o sooo addicting | 10:44 |
| pupnik | some of the 'training island' levels are surprisingly hard imo | 10:45 |
| pupnik | the developers are aware of the memory creep issue | 10:45 |
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| pupnik | wb ssvb | 10:45 |
| ssvb | hi pupnik | 10:45 |
| Brains | pupnik: Heh, maybe old, but new to me... Nifty. | 10:45 |
| pupnik | use the 'deactivate' command to deactivate | 10:46 |
| pupnik | ... pattern_deactivate ... | 10:46 |
| Brains | Probably eats up battery at a decent rate, I suppose. | 10:46 |
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| pupnik | ssvb have you heard of the new amiga emulator? | 10:47 |
| pupnik | it's pretty nifty - using auto-adjust it runs between frameskip of 2 to 3 | 10:48 |
| pupnik | it could really use that non-integer xsp / framebuffer scaling hack | 10:49 |
| pupnik | hope it gets a bit faster (a solid >20fps would be nice) | 10:50 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:53 |
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| Brains | Morning | 10:53 |
| * Brains watches the clock, awaiting that magical time that means he can sleep. | 10:55 | |
| Brains | I wonder what the ETA on kismet for the N8x0 is... | 10:56 |
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| christefano | kismet for N8x0 would be fabulous | 11:03 |
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| Spakman_ | has anyone seen Alterego around here lately? | 11:38 |
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| pupnik | not i | 11:55 |
| pupnik | i need a job where i hold meetings with tech people and then we discuss solutions to stuff and then everybody decides that my ideas are best | 12:00 |
| johnx | and then your ideas don't get implemented anyways? | 12:00 |
| pupnik | :) | 12:01 |
| johnx | just being realistic :) | 12:01 |
| pupnik | i might be filtering subconsciously but as I recall things generally worked out in the past :) | 12:01 |
| pupnik | but that's spoken from the position of someone who never had to actually make the call in a managerial sense | 12:02 |
| keesj | pupnik: do I hear srcum ? | 12:02 |
| pupnik | i'm sure it's much less fun when it's your job description to do that | 12:03 |
| pupnik | dunno scrum | 12:03 |
| pupnik | ah interesting | 12:03 |
| keesj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development) | 12:03 |
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| keesj | hmm that link is a big of a long story | 12:04 |
| keesj | but you work in small teams and the team decides how to implement , "is responsible" | 12:05 |
| keesj | you meet every day and have very well palpable goals | 12:05 |
| pupnik | ty for the interesting term | 12:06 |
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| keesj | we have been using is at work for a few month now | 12:08 |
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| klm- | Hello! I have N800 and Transmission Bittorrent client installed. I've downloaded a .torrent file to my Videos folder and now I'm trying to open it with Transmission. The problem is that Transmission shows me the root (or something, I'm new :P) and I should browse my way to the Videos folder. I just can't find it. So does anyone know the path? I've also tried to open the torrent file straight away with Transmission but the program isn't f | 12:39 |
| klm- | or some reason on the application list | 12:39 |
| keesj | yes,, it is hidden | 12:40 |
| keesj | /home/user/Do..??/.documents/ | 12:41 |
| keesj | you can also try to save to the media card and the browse /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2 | 12:41 |
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| klm- | that was a good advice, thanks! | 12:43 |
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| spirytusick | 'lo | 12:55 |
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| pupnik | what to do.. what to do... | 13:31 |
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| jott | pupnik: how about making uae4all support full resolution :) | 13:37 |
| pupnik | hi jott just the man i wanted to see | 13:37 |
| pupnik | so when in a proggy that uses mouse. i hit the fullscreen button once | 13:38 |
| pupnik | then tap on the pointer | 13:38 |
| pupnik | then position is correct but scaling is off | 13:38 |
| jott | have you disabled xsp? | 13:38 |
| pupnik | no | 13:38 |
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| jott | what do you mean by "scaling is off"? | 13:39 |
| pupnik | pointer movement is approx 2x stylus movement (with XSP) | 13:39 |
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| pupnik | you did your work without xsp enabled? | 13:39 |
| jott | no it was enabled.. | 13:39 |
| pupnik | ok guess i'll test some more | 13:40 |
| jott | mmh | 13:40 |
| pupnik | the process should be repeatable, yes? | 13:40 |
| jott | yeah.. pressing fullscreen twice should reset the offset to 0,0 | 13:41 |
| pupnik | this was lemmin2 btw | 13:41 |
| pupnik | i'll test with 1 | 13:41 |
| jott | is it off 2x *after* you calibrate or all the time? | 13:41 |
| pupnik | all the time | 13:42 |
| jott | ok | 13:42 |
| jott | i think the scaling has to be calculated in a different way | 13:42 |
| pupnik | ok i'll peek at it. just wanted to confirm usage. i found roughly the problem with different sound freqs - the esd-OSS device refuses to change frequency on an opened device | 13:43 |
| pupnik | 1) click fullscreen/windowed button, 2) tap stylus on current pointer position | 13:43 |
| pupnik | finished. | 13:43 |
| jott | i guess in the end it would be best to support native resultions of the amiga | 13:43 |
| pupnik | ? | 13:43 |
| pupnik | yes | 13:43 |
| jott | i.e. up to 640x400 or so | 13:44 |
| pupnik | and scale that to 7??x480 :) | 13:44 |
| pupnik | there is no 2nd tap required on the button after tapping pointer, correct? | 13:45 |
| jott | yep.. | 13:45 |
| jott | it should continue | 13:45 |
| jott | but i think it might be the problem with games in 320x200 or so.. | 13:45 |
| jott | lemmings runs hat 640x200 | 13:45 |
| pupnik | I managed to get it running at 22 and 11khz sound also. Could not see a difference. Problem with switching frequency on-the-go is that the OSS device needs to be fully deinitialized - esd-oss is not switching samplerate. | 13:46 |
| pupnik | ahh | 13:46 |
| jott | i suppose the current resolution (screen and amiga) has to be considered | 13:46 |
| jott | when getting the sdl position | 13:46 |
| pupnik | yes i think so too | 13:46 |
| pupnik | i also got led flashing with disk access, but not in the right way - :) | 13:47 |
| jott | i wonder how hard it would be to support 640x200 and use the lcd to stretch it to 7..x480 | 13:47 |
| pupnik | apparently the HOWTO is in mplayer source right now | 13:48 |
| jott | pupnik: for n810 you can use my ledcolor hack: http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py | 13:48 |
| pupnik | /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternError" | 13:48 |
| pupnik | tht works too - but i don't know the right place to activate it | 13:49 |
| jott | ^^ is direct led access | 13:49 |
| pupnik | ok | 13:49 |
| jott | i.e. first open /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode and write "direct" to it | 13:49 |
| pupnik | nice | 13:49 |
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| jott | and then /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and write RR:GG:BB to it | 13:49 |
| jott | this way one could even assign red to fd0 and green to fd1 or and blue to hdd or something like this ;) | 13:51 |
| pupnik | or green:read red:write | 13:51 |
| jott | yeah.. | 13:51 |
| pupnik | ty | 13:52 |
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| jott | it would be nice to see more apps using the led in the n810 for instant status report | 13:52 |
| pupnik | we may be using suboptimal disk speed settings right now, btw | 13:53 |
| pupnik | see src/disk.cpp :27 static int floppy_speed = NORMAL_FLOPPY_SPEED*2; | 13:53 |
| jott | yeah well who knows if programs depend on floppy timing, not sure one can easily mess with this ;) | 13:54 |
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| aquatix | jott: neat | 15:21 |
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| pupnik_ | bah i can't concentrate | 15:27 |
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| xuser | what app does maemo use to connect via bluetooth to a cell phone and use its UTMS? | 15:56 |
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| pupnik | jott: Notaz wrote in Jul 18, 2007: "I'm able to run Turrican at 50fps (or very near it)". That's on arm920t at ~260-290 mhz | 15:59 |
| jott | have you tested turrican? :) | 16:02 |
| pupnik | can't tell how fast it's going but it's pretty smooth | 16:02 |
| inz | xuser, the connection is handled by proprietary icd (something like: internet connectivity daemon), which I guess uses bluez utils | 16:03 |
| xuser | nm, found it. | 16:03 |
| jott | yeah cyclone is pretty neat | 16:03 |
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| pupnik | btw my 'boot first, then insert disk' prevents segfaults on every kickstart i've tried | 16:04 |
| xuser | inz: found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/comgt | 16:04 |
| inz | xuser, afaik there's no comgt on maemo | 16:06 |
| inz | not sure though | 16:06 |
| jott | pupnik: the gp2x wiki also mentions "It must be called kick.rom, be a kickstart 1.3 image, and be the 512KB overdumped version, rather than the smaller 256k kickstart that some have tried unsuccessfully." | 16:06 |
| pupnik | yes only 512s work, but everything from 1.2 to 3.1 has worked here now | 16:06 |
| pupnik | unless i'm in some weird software bermuda triangle, i think we should change it to boot the kickstart before presenting menu | 16:07 |
| jott | well i suppose > 1.3 possibly break at a point as they might use instructions not emulated .. | 16:08 |
| jott | but that's just a speculation.. i'm not an amiga professional :) | 16:08 |
| xuser | inz: yeah, just trying to do same with a linux laptop. | 16:08 |
| xuser | I'll see if comgt works for me | 16:09 |
| pupnik | selecting a .adf or .adf.gz before booting crashes every rom with regularity, but then sometimes it gets in the mood to not crash for a while | 16:09 |
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| pupnik | we should get more testing results | 16:09 |
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| RayTracer` | guys any luck with amiga? | 16:15 |
| pupnik | just been learning a little bit about it | 16:16 |
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| pupnik | Managed to drop sound quality down to 11khz and that seems to shave off about 3-5% cpu, but haven't been able to test accurately yet | 16:18 |
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| pupnik | have you tested it RayTracer` ? | 16:21 |
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| RayTracer` | no just watched you guys talk about it a while | 16:21 |
| * RayTracer` isn't much of a devel | 16:21 | |
| pupnik | Well i'd like someone to confirm some problems | 16:21 |
| RayTracer` | oh sure | 16:21 |
| pupnik | ok RayTracer` can you /join #kotc pls? | 16:22 |
| RayTracer` | I can | 16:22 |
| * xuser wishes someday nokia makes a n95+n810 in one device | 16:23 | |
| inz | why? | 16:24 |
| jott | xuser: use duct tape! :p | 16:25 |
| inz | I prefer to have a small phone and a "large" websurferthingmabob | 16:25 |
| xuser | to only carry one device | 16:25 |
| xuser | :) | 16:25 |
| xuser | darn, I'm lagging as hell | 16:25 |
| xuser | jott: heh | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 16:26 |
| xuser | inz: you carry a backpack? | 16:26 |
| inz | xuser, usually not | 16:27 |
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| inz | xuser, the point was that I can leave the websurferthingmabob home and still be reachable by phone | 16:28 |
| inz | xuser, in case I don't want to carry any bags or satchels | 16:28 |
| xuser | inz: well yeah, good point, you don't always want to carry a N810 | 16:29 |
| inz | xuser, many techies don't really mind as they anyway use pants that have enough pockets to carry the kitchen sink, but I don'l like such pants ;) | 16:30 |
| xuser | heh | 16:31 |
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| xuser | I can ssh from the n95 anyway :P | 16:36 |
| xuser | the problem is the keyboard :/ | 16:37 |
| Cptn-N800 | Someone enteertaiin me | 16:37 |
| Cptn-N800 | Bus is shit boring | 16:37 |
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| xuser | watch some porn | 16:38 |
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| h3sp4wn | porn is boring | 16:47 |
| inz | Feh, when I finally got gmail not to make false positives, now it makes false negatives | 16:51 |
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| h3sp4wn | Does nokia make a phone similar to the 6230/6230i (don't want a smartphone) perfectly happy with the 6230/6230i and its battery life etc - or are they all symbian (I want reliable bluetooth thats all) | 17:02 |
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| Jaffa | No, they still make lots of non-Symbian phones | 17:03 |
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| Paavo | most sales are non-symbian | 17:10 |
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| h3sp4wn | Yeah but they don't make it clear which ones are just nokia as it always was | 17:11 |
| Paavo | see forum.nokia.com/devices | 17:12 |
| h3sp4wn | great thanks | 17:12 |
| Paavo | that doesn't seem to have any series 30 phones though | 17:12 |
| Paavo | all s40 and s60 | 17:12 |
| Paavo | s30 are the really cheap and simple ones | 17:13 |
| glass | 1110 etc | 17:13 |
| Paavo | yep | 17:14 |
| h3sp4wn | Mine is 6230 (series 4) looks like - I want max battery life and bluetooth thats all | 17:15 |
| Paavo | it might be interesting to see sometimes how those are put together | 17:15 |
| h3sp4wn | problem is bluetooth isn't on the cheap ones usually or maybe that changed | 17:15 |
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| KotCzarny | get ericsson t39m ? :> | 17:16 |
| glass | most 3g phones have bt tho.. i'd think | 17:16 |
| h3sp4wn | No desire for anything other than Nokia (or to mess with it) | 17:16 |
| h3sp4wn | I wouldn't mind getting maemo on e.g a GPX2 though (new one has a touch screen) | 17:17 |
| Paavo | h3sp4wn: country? | 17:18 |
| h3sp4wn | Paavo: England | 17:18 |
| Paavo | there's a comparison engine at nokia.com | 17:18 |
| Paavo | they just try their best to keep people off the site | 17:18 |
| * T0b0tras is happy with his 6021 | 17:19 | |
| Paavo | http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4221001 | 17:20 |
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| Paavo | interesting that there's a "most expensive first" option, but not the opposite | 17:20 |
| Paavo | and not even approximate prices | 17:20 |
| luddek | Hi. Does anyone know when it is possible to get the kismet for os2008? | 17:21 |
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| h3sp4wn | yeah - I suppose there they have to cater for the "Is this expensive enough and does it look good with this dress/suit" crowd | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | shiny! | 17:24 |
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| lcuk_3 | arghhhh ive made my glyph rendering loop too efficient again and the cpu is throttling back. there must be a way to kick the process into a high priority without having to scribble on the screen to make it go fast | 17:42 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk_3: doh! | 17:49 |
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| jott | lcuk_3: it sounds really strange - are you sure there are no idle cycles somewhere in your render loop? | 17:51 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: just play any mp3 via mp3task, it will activate dsp (without eating too much cpu) and force cpu to full speed | 17:52 |
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| lcuk_3 | i am positive that there are no idles (unless there is one inside XvShmPutImage which i doubt | 17:53 |
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| lcuk_3 | i have just DOUBLED the work (ie rendering the string twice) and its running faster than without | 17:53 |
| lcuk_3 | snprintf(buff,255," "); | 17:54 |
| lcuk_3 | canvass_drawtext(buff,0,y); | 17:54 |
| lcuk_3 | snprintf(buff,255,"Hello world, %i, fc %i ",y,framecount); | 17:54 |
| lcuk_3 | canvass_drawtext(buff,x,y); | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: pastebin.com | 17:54 |
| lcuk_3 | the top 2 lines have just been added and it now renders quicker than without them | 17:54 |
| lcuk_3 | sorry it was just that tiny bit | 17:54 |
| lcuk_3 | to clarify what i am saying | 17:54 |
| aquatix | and eating more battery ;) | 17:55 |
| lcuk_3 | im not bothered about that at the moment | 17:55 |
| lcuk_3 | once i am at full speed and getting a specific framerate and showing my code is as good as i can the program will ONLY be rendering when stroke in progress anyway | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: have you seen my comment? | 17:55 |
| lcuk_3 | but if i can get it done quicker it wont flicker | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | use mp3task to force cpu to full speed | 17:56 |
| lcuk_3 | yes but it doesnt make sense - and for one thing, using the dsp clocks the cpu down | 17:56 |
| script | how about *buff='\n' o_O | 17:56 |
| script | that sprintf looks scary | 17:56 |
| lcuk_3 | cpu down to 330 when dsp in operation isnt it | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | but it will turn off cpu speed changes | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | so you will test your code without problems | 17:57 |
| lcuk_3 | script - why scary? | 17:57 |
| script | just ... because ;-) | 17:57 |
| lcuk_3 | kot, i see no sense in running an entire mp3 decoding process just to force the cpu to stop power saving | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: it just works that way | 17:58 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: you wanted cpu to stop switching between speeds | 17:58 |
| lcuk_3 | it works now - i know i have enough power to do whatever i like and still be fast enough ;) | 17:58 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: mp3task won't take cpu but dsp cycles | 17:58 |
| lcuk_3 | surely there is a better way - i cant be the only one encountering this.. | 17:59 |
| lcuk_3 | KotCzarny, i will give it a try though its worse than me writing a dummy operation into a blit | 18:00 |
| lcuk_3 | do you have any init code lying around? | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: then just open mp3task and don't do anything with it | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: nope, maybe using gst-init | 18:01 |
| lcuk_3 | i wouldnt know where to begin, i have been looking solely towards the rendering engine and haven't checked out any of the dsp/audio side | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i mean gst-launch | 18:02 |
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| ac7ss | is there a patch to correct DST on the 2008 software? (I had to adjust manually) | 18:05 |
| lcuk_3 | right. sorted it | 18:05 |
| lcuk_3 | from my test script, before running my program i call: | 18:05 |
| lcuk_3 | echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 18:05 |
| lcuk_3 | then after i am done, i revert to the ondemand setting | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: nokia ignores cpufreq scaling :/ | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | i have tried userspace governor too | 18:06 |
| lcuk_3 | it works though | 18:06 |
| lcuk_3 | on "ondemand" i get visual judders and framerate drops down to 8fps unless i am scratching the screen | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | maybe performance governor works, i haven't tried | 18:06 |
| lcuk_3 | on "performance" it blisters along nice and smoothly | 18:06 |
| jott | lcuk_3: btw you know that canvass != canvas :> | 18:06 |
| lcuk_3 | jott, i know that canvass_... is the name of my canvass functions (which in the back end lead out to either an xv screen or an sdl one depending upon what i am testing | 18:07 |
| lcuk_3 | canvass has been what i have drawn on since i started working with computers. its more logical for me to continue that | 18:08 |
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| Jaffa | Oh, cool: Jalimo really rocks. | 19:13 |
| Jaffa | And for an SWT app running in a JVM (i.e. not further optimised like in Android) it's not noticeably slow either. | 19:14 |
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| ccooke | Jaffa: (I know it's a huge amount of work, but) It'll still not be that much use until there's a web plugin ;-) | 19:18 |
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| Jaffa | ccooke: I see where you're coming from, but as a Java developer most of the time (and I *love* Eclipse), Java apps are more interesting to me. | 19:21 |
| ccooke | Jaffa: yeah. I'm not sure, yet, how useful they'll be to consumers on the N810, though | 19:22 |
| ccooke | wheras java in the browser would be something of a big win | 19:23 |
| Jaffa | ccooke: true. I'd rather develop in Java than Python (and definitely rather than C). Vala looks interesting but not enough docs | 19:23 |
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| ccooke | hmm | 19:25 |
| ccooke | I wonder - which is smaller (memorywise) and faster out of Java and Python? | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | If cacao's got a good JIT, it could be close (in terms of speed at least) | 19:25 |
| ccooke | hmm | 19:27 |
| shacka1 | definitely java | 19:27 |
| fysa | comes down to dependencies | 19:27 |
| ccooke | shacka1: you have benchmarks? | 19:27 |
| fysa | and toolkits | 19:27 |
| shacka1 | ccooke: well, there's http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=java&lang2=python for what it's worth | 19:29 |
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| czr | python memory behaviour is even more undeterministic than java's. | 19:36 |
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| czr | other than that, I'd rather eat rotten seafood for two weeks straight than ever write java again (compared to python). | 19:37 |
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| glass | i like java | 19:37 |
| * Jaffa 's been doing some cool stuff with Java and Groovy at work recently - and is on the gravy trani | 19:38 | |
| KotCzarny | i like pancakes | 19:38 |
| glass | i'd like it to run well enough to do apps in | 19:38 |
| Jaffa | s/trani/train/ | 19:38 |
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| czr | gravy training. | 19:38 |
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| ccooke | Hmm. | 19:38 |
| czr | The Fist of The Crouching Gravy.. | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | the fist in the crouch | 19:39 |
| ccooke | It seems the built-in chat client doesn't support Livejournal's Jabber server | 19:39 |
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| ccooke | I'm guessing a protocol missmatch of some sort | 19:39 |
| Robot101 | ccooke: its probably because we don't support SASL in the current release | 19:40 |
| ccooke | oh? | 19:40 |
| Robot101 | we've got a fix coming out soon | 19:40 |
| ccooke | hmm | 19:40 |
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| ccooke | how soon is soon, out of interest? | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | loudmouth until very recently didn't support XMPP features like TLS, SASL and SRV lookups | 19:41 |
| ccooke | (as in: do I wait a while now or leave it) | 19:41 |
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| Robot101 | I dunno when it'll make it through the process, but I could look into pushing updated versions into the rtcomm.garage.maemo.org repo | 19:41 |
| ccooke | My wife's just got a new n810 (stops her stealing mine) and we're trying to get everything set up nicely before tomorrow, when she's off visiting friends for a week | 19:42 |
| ccooke | The LJ jabber thing definitely appears to be auth related - my tcpdump shows the server send an auth packet, which the client doesn't respond to. It's all keepalives after that. | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:44 |
| Robot101 | ccooke: you can get debugging output if you open an xterm and run LM_DEBUG=net GABBLE_DEBUG=all GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble | 19:45 |
| Robot101 | then sign on | 19:45 |
| ccooke | /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble: | 19:46 |
| ccooke | GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble | 19:47 |
| ccooke | gah | 19:47 |
| ccooke | Not found. | 19:47 |
| Robot101 | oh, just /usr/bin/telepathy-gabble then | 19:47 |
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| ccooke | interesting | 19:51 |
| ccooke | Robot101: Checking debug + network traffic... | 19:51 |
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| ccooke | it receives the auth request from the server, says "... db_auth: authenticating with username: blah, password: <hidden>, resource: Telepathy | 19:52 |
| ccooke | But it doesn't send anything on the network! | 19:52 |
| ccooke | I just see keepalives. | 19:52 |
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| lcuk_3 | whoa! upgrades | 20:28 |
| ol_schoola | Mother Of All Splits | 20:30 |
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| f_mohr | is there a way to loopback mount jffs2 file system images on desktop linux ? (rootfs.jffs2 from the latest flash update) | 21:12 |
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| jott | f_mohr: given your desktop linux kernel jffs2 module supports LZO compression, yes. see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/ | 21:14 |
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| f_mohr | i got the error message (?) JFFS2 version 2.2. (NAND) (C) 2001-2006 Red Hat, Inc. | 21:17 |
| f_mohr | Attempt to mount non-MTD device "/dev/loop/0" as JFFS2 | 21:17 |
| jott | f_mohr: have you followed the wiki instructions? | 21:18 |
| f_mohr | no that was from my first try (mount -t jffs2 -o loop rootfs.jffs2 yy) | 21:18 |
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| jott | (with the "loopback" approach you need a mtdblock device and tell the block2mtd module where your loopback device is) | 21:20 |
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| jott | f_mohr: ok, then just follow the instructions in the wiki :) | 21:20 |
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| f_mohr | i'll try those 2 solutions on the wiki .. | 21:22 |
| f_mohr | mainly i wanted to find the differences between RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (was installed when i bought the n810 2weeks ago) and RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin before i flash the later | 21:23 |
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| pupnik | is there any reason not to use gcc (v. 4:3.4.4-7osso2) ?? | 22:16 |
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| pupnik | it's listed on gronmayer under gcc search | 22:25 |
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| pupnik | doesn't show up in apt-cache search though | 22:26 |
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| pupnik | CodeSourcery provide [GNU ARM toolchains]. The 2005Q3 release is a modified version of gcc-3.4.4 while 2006Q1 is from gcc-4.1.0. These toolchains produce EABI object code and the 2006Q1 release also uses the EABI Linux kernel interface. | 22:34 |
| pupnik | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/download.html | 22:35 |
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| KotCzarny | it shows 2007q3 | 22:35 |
| pupnik | gcc -v gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2) | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | you're welcome to try | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | gcc 4 could be nice | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | (and incompatible) | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:38 |
| jott | to much abi breakages | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | target is eabi or gnu/linux ? | 22:39 |
| jott | gnu/linux with eabi ;) | 22:41 |
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| KotCzarny | let's give it a try | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | (96mb download) | 22:43 |
| fang64 | rrrRv | 22:44 |
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| h3sp4wn | I have an xscale router running with eabi (built with 4.2.0) cannot be just eabi | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | that dl page is enigmatic then | 22:45 |
| h3sp4wn | there must be other reasons - Anyone tried building the kernel with realview | 22:45 |
| pupnik | well gronmayer says there's a 4.3 osso | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | it lists arm eabi and arm gnu/linux | 22:46 |
| pupnik | for chinook no less | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: link? | 22:46 |
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| pupnik | search gronmayer under os2008 | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | i can't see 4.3 | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | only 3.4.4 | 22:49 |
| * pupnik 's spidey sense is telling him danger | 22:49 | |
| KotCzarny | see it there's : after 4 | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | those dots are hidey | 22:50 |
| pupnik | 'big endian' would be a more appropriate eabi for me... :| | 22:51 |
| jott | i've a scratchbox target with gcc 4.2.1 but it's not really worth the effort without rebuilding everything :/ (all hail to the closed source nokia world) | 22:51 |
| christefano | has anyone compiled GnuPG to run on maemo? | 22:51 |
| pupnik | ok thx jott | 22:51 |
| pupnik | it's just that the sdl apps are a little more independent than some other things | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | jott: how about static build apps? | 22:52 |
| jott | yeah well with a bunch of extra libs or static linking it might even work | 22:52 |
| pupnik | so you could just quick pop over uae4all and see what happens if you build it? :) | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | first i would have to have gcc installed in sb | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:52 |
| pupnik | talkin bout jott dude | 22:53 |
| jott | well cyclone is generated asm code so gcc cant optimize there ;) | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | ah, sorry | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:53 |
| jott | there is a deb | 22:53 |
| jott | somewhere :p | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | link? | 22:53 |
| jott | google fails me :( | 22:53 |
| jott | ghmm | 22:53 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah | 22:53 |
| jott | http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | interesting | 22:54 |
| pupnik | hi christefano i think someone did | 22:54 |
| jott | i've all the debs installed | 22:54 |
| jott | works fine for me | 22:55 |
| jott | (so still with gcc 3.4.4 as compiler) | 22:55 |
| jott | but atleast the cs2007q3 toolchain integrates with the maemo sdk scratchbox packages | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | do i can simply install gcc deb in db? | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | or outside? | 22:57 |
| pupnik | http://scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/toolchain.html | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | thx | 22:59 |
| pupnik | good reading for me too | 23:00 |
| jott | KotCzarny: toolchain gcc has to be installed from the host system | 23:00 |
| jott | otherwise you would end up with a arm gcc that is run through qemu :P | 23:01 |
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| KotCzarny | not a bad idea in itself | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 23:01 |
| jott | if you have lots of spare time :) | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | cputime, that is | 23:02 |
| jott | and development cycles | 23:02 |
| pupnik | have you profiled uae4all jott? | 23:03 |
| jott | no, not yet | 23:03 |
| pupnik | i'm not seeing *any* SDL routines show up above 0.5% cpu time | 23:03 |
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| pupnik | sometimes i feel like i'm in the bavarian triangle | 23:03 |
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| jott | it would be nice to integrate cyclone in e-uae ;> | 23:04 |
| GNUton | Hi, sera! | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | jott: i have found version of uae4all with integraded cyclone core | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | integrated | 23:05 |
| jott | i know | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:05 |
| jott | have you seen my touchscreen patch for it? | 23:05 |
| christefano | is anyone running GnuPG? I found something claiming to be a full version of GnuPG for Maemo but the domain for the repo has expired | 23:05 |
| jott | needs some little rework but lemmings is really playable ;) | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | but i think about other way to fix it | 23:06 |
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| jott | still the gp2x has many ugly hacks and is kinda old :) | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | but kinda works better :) | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | for now | 23:06 |
| jott | well the scaling stuff is a bit messy | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | too many levels of abstraction | 23:06 |
| jott | and even more #ifdef madness :) | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | that's not that bad | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | at least it's easier to cut off the source | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:07 |
| jott | haha | 23:07 |
| jott | what do you want to change about the touchscreen? | 23:08 |
| jott | manual mouse clicks? | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | adding mousequeue | 23:08 |
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| KotCzarny | because from what i have seen follow mouse mode works perfectly | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | (in 127px steps) | 23:08 |
| jott | yeah.. | 23:08 |
| jott | works nice.. | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | but clicks are executed at the beginning of the move | 23:09 |
| jott | no problem going from upper left to lower right | 23:09 |
| jott | yep | 23:09 |
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| jott | manual mouseclicks would solve this.. | 23:09 |
| jott | pocketuae also does it this way | 23:10 |
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| jott | (would also give an easy right click ;) | 23:11 |
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| jott | calibration would still be needed anyway... | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:14 |
| jott | sure | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:15 |
| jott | follow mouse tracks the mouse sprite | 23:15 |
| jott | the hot spot of the mouse pointer is not always the upper left corner | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | i have tried only wb app | 23:15 |
| christefano | okay, I found a version of GnuPG for maemo at http://www.cs.cornell.edu/zlt/maemo/gnupg_1.4.3_arm.deb but there's no MD5 or documentation. does anyone know if this is a stable version for OS 2008? | 23:15 |
| jott | every crosshair would fail | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | maybe in ndos games is different | 23:15 |
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| pupnik | christefano: maybe email zlt@cs.corn .... | 23:18 |
| christefano | I did :) | 23:18 |
| christefano | it's not guaranteed that he will respond, so I thought I'd ask here | 23:18 |
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| pupnik | yeah i understand. | 23:18 |
| pupnik | more people should use GnuPG | 23:18 |
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| christefano | definitely | 23:19 |
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| pupnik | unfortunately there's a tragedy of the commons effect there | 23:20 |
| pupnik | kind of | 23:20 |
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| skyn3t | can N810 access cell network over blue tooth ( through another phone ) and use that as data channel anyone knows ? | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:28 |
| skyn3t | or is there any other solutions that would add cell connectivity to this tablet | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | that's how sprint offers wimax | 23:28 |
| RayTracer` | pretty much that's the main way skyn3t | 23:31 |
| christefano | Joiku Hotspot turns the Nokia N95 and N96 into a wireless access point for wifi devices like the N810 | 23:31 |
| skyn3t | ok so I would need another phone then right | 23:31 |
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| KotCzarny | most phones can be used as modems | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | over bt | 23:31 |
| RayTracer` | christefano is there a phone that can do that which is basically a simple 3g phone | 23:32 |
| RayTracer` | I don't want a smartphone if I carry my n810 everywhere | 23:32 |
| christefano | there's a list of supported phones at http://www.joiku.com/ | 23:33 |
| skyn3t | the only problem I guess is the cost, of getting a tablet and then N95/96, could easily turn into a $900 or more | 23:33 |
| christefano | yeah :( | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | n800 can be had secondhand for 150$ | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:34 |
| tank-man | is this possible? like i can setup some kind of server on my home pc w/ modem and then on the road use my bt ph w/ n8x0 and dial home for internet? | 23:35 |
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| glass | eh | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | tank-man: one can use n8x0 - bt - phone as modem or n8x0 - wifi/bt - another comp/at | 23:37 |
| skyn3t | KotCzarny, what is the bare minimum for such setup N800 ? | 23:37 |
| tank-man | and speeds will be near 56k? | 23:38 |
| glass | 3g can be 2mbit/s | 23:38 |
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| glass | and you just need the phone and the n810 | 23:39 |
| tank-man | and data plan | 23:39 |
| glass | you buy the data service from your operator | 23:39 |
| skyn3t | what's this about sprint offering wimax, how does this work | 23:39 |
| tank-man | i dont like that data plan prices | 23:39 |
| skyn3t | do you need wimax compat phone for this ? | 23:39 |
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| glass | well, some device that has a wimax modem at least | 23:40 |
| glass | tank-man: you'd rather pay for unlimited calling, use some rather ugly hack, rather than use the designed data? | 23:41 |
| glass | tank-man: sucks though if you got crappy data plan pricing | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | skyn3t: as i said, you need hotspot (wifi way) or phone with data plan and bt | 23:41 |
| glass | we got 10e/month unlimited so.. | 23:41 |
| tank-man | just planing to use it infrequently, on the unlimited nights/weekends | 23:41 |
| skyn3t | csd is blocked here in canada where I live, so I am only stuck with data plan | 23:42 |
| skyn3t | so phone modems are out of question | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | misunderstanding here i guess | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | data can be accessed from a phone in a different ways | 23:43 |
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| KotCzarny | csd/gprs/edge etc | 23:43 |
| skyn3t | I thought you were talking about csd sorry | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | no, any service | 23:43 |
| skyn3t | ppp/slip with bt modem | 23:43 |
| skyn3t | right year | 23:43 |
| skyn3t | yea | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | phone is seen as a modem | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | but it's up to phone what service you use | 23:43 |
| skyn3t | gprs/edge and 3G are the ones available here | 23:43 |
| skyn3t | csd is outlawed | 23:43 |
| skyn3t | only for police use | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | then any phone with bt | 23:43 |
| glass | well, hsdpa is a plus | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | and that can do gprs/edge/3g | 23:44 |
| skyn3t | yeah, whats the maximum you can get on bt connection | 23:45 |
| skyn3t | data rate that is | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | 23:45 | |
| skyn3t | k | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | but edge is ~mbits | 23:45 |
| glass | no | 23:45 |
| glass | it's in 200-270kbit/s range | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | as i said ~mbit | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:46 |
| skyn3t | the other thing you could do is go wifi to wifi ( if you had e61i or similiar phone ) | 23:46 |
| skyn3t | but that's expensive phone as well | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | bt uses less power | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 23:46 |
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| KotCzarny | so it's still preferable | 23:46 |
| skyn3t | right | 23:47 |
| skyn3t | less range | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Mobile_telephone_interfaces | 23:47 |
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| KotCzarny | glass: edge-evolution is ~2mbit | 23:48 |
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| glass | KotCzarny: oh. rolled out functioning egprs tops around 192kbit/s though | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | glass, yeah.. technology | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | it has to be supported by service provider/be in coverage area too | 23:50 |
| skyn3t | gprs/edge is probably supported by most | 23:51 |
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| KotCzarny | gprs is slow as hell | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | and laggy | 23:51 |
| glass | used to be here that edge wasnt available everywhere | 23:51 |
| glass | by now it's pretty much in all cells though | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | (bad for ssh) | 23:51 |
| glass | yea.. with 3g i got at best 140ms pings about | 23:51 |
| skyn3t | so then 3g maybe ?> | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | skyn3t: depends what will be your usage pattern | 23:52 |
| skyn3t | just messaging and secure email | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | then i guess gprs is enough | 23:52 |
| RayTracer` | anyone use clearwire? | 23:53 |
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| skyn3t | N810 doesn't have pcmcia slot right | 23:55 |
| leif__ | has anyone tried building this for ITOS yet? http://elisa.fluendo.com/ | 23:56 |
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| jott | leif__: elisa is opengl based | 23:56 |
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| leif__ | But... it says it is meant for "PC, Consoles, Internet tablets, etc." | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | skyn3t: has usb though | 23:57 |
| skyn3t | pity | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:57 |
| skyn3t | cause then you could stick somethign like this | 23:57 |
| skyn3t | http://your.rogers.com/business/wireless/services/vision/offers.asp | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | adding pcmcia slot would make it biggy | 23:57 |
| leif__ | maybe they just mean MIDs :/ | 23:57 |
| jott | leif__: probably something with 3d drivers :) | 23:58 |
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| skyn3t | you can pretty much put n810 into pocket right | 23:58 |
| jott | i guess it might work with software rendering | 23:58 |
| jott | but i doubt it will be very smooth :) | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | transluency mm | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:59 |
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| leif__ | yeah it actually wasn't even smooth on my ibook | 23:59 |
| RayTracer` | canola is probably going to be asclose to elisa as we'll have for a while | 23:59 |
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