| lcuk | i remember being able to drop 68k assembler into my code back in the mysts of time, can i still do that with arm? | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | it's called inline assembly | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | gcc does that | 00:04 |
| lcuk | but obviously if i am cross compiling for multiple targets i should use it sparingly and always have a c version of the function available for none arm builds | 00:05 |
| *** jacques has quit IRC | 00:06 | |
| KotCzarny | you're hacking | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | if it works good enough it's worth including | 00:06 |
| lcuk | no, ive taken a core function up as far as i can take it with native c and want to see just how far i can go | 00:06 |
| *** jacques has joined #maemo | 00:07 | |
| *** Spork has joined #maemo | 00:07 | |
| *** Spork has left #maemo | 00:07 | |
| KotCzarny | word is gcc is highly optimized as it is | 00:07 |
| lcuk | optimisation doesnt seem to help tho that might just be me not knowing enough about the compiler.... | 00:07 |
| *** argnel has quit IRC | 00:07 | |
| lcuk | but no compiler can beat hand crafted super optimised code | 00:08 |
| *** argnel has joined #maemo | 00:08 | |
| KotCzarny | but it can be quirky | 00:08 |
| lcuk | if its a one shot (basically its blitting with extras) | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder what would gcc 4.2 did to the mplayer code | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:08 |
| lcuk | not a great deal from what i can see... | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | do you have gcc 4.x installed? | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:09 |
| lcuk | god knows lol | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | gcc -v | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | you will probably have 3.4.4 | 00:10 |
| lcuk | nahhh its not - 3.4.4 | 00:10 |
| lcuk | yer | 00:10 |
| *** kpel has quit IRC | 00:10 | |
| lcuk | your magic ball does you well | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | 4.x is quite different beast | 00:10 |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 00:11 | |
| lcuk | i expect in the future compiled code will beat hand tweaked, but it will no doubt involve lots of genetic testing of each block. its much like machine translation - its easy to get something that sounds right, but it will never be fluent | 00:12 |
| lcuk | spoken ^ | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | i guess gcc tests what's good for you while compiling itself | 00:12 |
| Yanker | #define FF_IDCT_SIMPLEARMV5TE 16 (recently added in mplayer 1.0rc1) looks promising from the benchmarks | 00:14 |
| lcuk | tbh, i dont think it needs to do too much - theres no point the machine spending an extra 10 minutes heavily optimising the init/cleanup code for me - it works really well in its current form, its the inner loops etc that need work | 00:14 |
| lcuk | how will we tell it what to concentrate on? | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | yanker: it's used by default | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | from what i have seen in tests | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: oprofile | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | it will tell you what parts of the code take most time | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | -> what could be worth trying to optimize | 00:15 |
| lcuk | but that involves building each piece, running oprofile on its output rebuilding based upon the results etc | 00:15 |
| lcuk | time is money | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it all depends what you want to achieve | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:15 |
| lcuk | suppose - like a 2 pass divx encode | 00:16 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:16 |
| *** cancerbero has joined #maemo | 00:16 | |
| *** dskippy has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| lcuk | 1 pass gives quick and dirty, but if you want better you let it run a second pass | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | or download from p2p | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:17 |
| cancerbero | hi | 00:17 |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 00:17 | |
| KotCzarny | You may need to specify the name of your crosscompiler when running make (ex. 'CC="arm-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc" make test-idct') | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | After that please copy 'test-idct' bunary to your device and run it specifying cpu clock frequency in the command line (for 416MHz Zaurus it would be './test-idct --freq=416') | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.oesf.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t22280-50.html | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:20 |
| *** alterego has joined #maemo | 00:20 | |
| KotCzarny | time for some testing | 00:20 |
| Navi | woo | 00:21 |
| Navi | Still talking about movie playing? | 00:21 |
| Spakman | alterego: Any news on getting the ruby-maemo source? :) | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | nope, optimization flags in general | 00:21 |
| Navi | mmk | 00:21 |
| *** anthrobug has joined #maemo | 00:21 | |
| *** lubyou has quit IRC | 00:22 | |
| cLin | fbreader works with pdfs...right? | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 00:25 |
| cancerbero | help!! i've a problem with gpg...someone know how use the gpg??...because he give me a message when I want create the new key (internal error) | 00:25 |
| Navi | No | 00:25 |
| Navi | Wish it did | 00:26 |
| unixSnob | I've used it | 00:26 |
| cLin | what does it read then? | 00:26 |
| Navi | pdf is planned, hwever. | 00:26 |
| Navi | HTML, RTF, plaintext | 00:26 |
| cLin | oh | 00:26 |
| cLin | so are there any pdf readers? | 00:26 |
| Navi | the built in one, evince | 00:26 |
| Tama^3 | there is abuiltin one | 00:26 |
| cLin | besides that | 00:26 |
| Navi | s/\,/and/ | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | poppler | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | should be in repo | 00:26 |
| unixSnob | evince is built into the NIT distro? | 00:27 |
| Navi | evince is somewhere | 00:27 |
| cLin | poppler? | 00:27 |
| lcuk | downvert it to flattext | 00:27 |
| Navi | No, it's not built in :P | 00:27 |
| cLin | lemme see | 00:27 |
| Navi | I love comix | 00:27 |
| Navi | now I can read all of mah manga :3 | 00:27 |
| Spakman | alterego: er, hi, BTW! Just realised I was a bit rude. | 00:27 |
| Yanker | hmm would i do something faulty by getting a dist-upgrade? | 00:27 |
| Navi | you could fuck something up | 00:28 |
| Navi | the repositories aren't unified on the dependencies front | 00:28 |
| Navi | but go ahead, if you'd like. | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | reflashing is fast | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | and 99% safe | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:29 |
| Navi | :D | 00:29 |
| Yanker | ah *pohew* | 00:29 |
| Yanker | reboot fixed my dbus | 00:29 |
| Navi | Yeah, I was surprised at how fast it way. | 00:29 |
| Navi | s/way/was/ | 00:29 |
| infobot | Navi meant: Yeah, I was surprised at how fast it was. | 00:29 |
| unixSnob | So I'm following the instructions for installing the sdk on a non-debian machine, and it tells me to use apt-get | 00:29 |
| Yanker | yea the flashing part itself is :) | 00:29 |
| Yanker | but reconfiguring the packages you installed prior to a flash is not :p | 00:30 |
| unixSnob | "apt-get update" what does that mean to non-debian users? | 00:30 |
| Yanker | any easy method of producing a flash-image as backup? | 00:30 |
| Navi | unixSnob, the scratchbox sandbox has apt-get | 00:30 |
| *** cancerbero has left #maemo | 00:30 | |
| KotCzarny | you can always flash, install what you want (safe) then make a backup | 00:30 |
| Navi | the sandbox is debian-based | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | (dumping flash to network) | 00:30 |
| cLin | what other format besides pdf has pages so i can remember where i left off? | 00:31 |
| *** zchydem_home has quit IRC | 00:31 | |
| Navi | unixSnob, so, it doesn't matter what your distro uses. | 00:31 |
| Yanker | within the scratched box, the red hat dunna mean a thing ;-) | 00:31 |
| unixSnob | apt-get is not in the bin dir | 00:31 |
| Yanker | nor does the gene spliced gentoo cow hehe | 00:32 |
| Navi | unixSnob, it doesn't matter if it is. | 00:32 |
| unixSnob | Do I run that on the scratchbox prompt | 00:32 |
| Navi | yes | 00:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:32 |
| jku | unixSnob, lots of things aren't in normal places in sb... | 00:32 |
| Yanker | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARM: ~] > whereis apt-get | 00:32 |
| Yanker | apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get /usr/X11R6/bin/apt-get /usr/bin/X11/apt-get | 00:32 |
| KotCzarny | find|grep does wonders | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | symlinks | 00:33 |
| unixSnob | find found 3 copies of it | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | x11 is symlinked to /usr/bin | 00:33 |
| jku | Yanker, the one that gets used is /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/apt-get | 00:33 |
| Navi | unixSnob, what you have to understand is that scratchbox, as simple as I'll put it, is just another distro. | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | tell find not to follow symlinks | 00:33 |
| Yanker | s/just/yet | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | just is also correct | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:34 |
| Navi | when you go into it, it uses the libraries, binaries, etc. that are within the scratchbox environment, it doesn't matter what you have on your own linux distribution | 00:34 |
| unixSnob | seems like a Solaris zone or container | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | --- benchmarking with zero idct coefficients --- | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | simple_idct_armv5te time=604.8 | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | simple_idct_armv6 time=769.6 | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | v5te is better? | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | (on n800) | 00:35 |
| Yanker | yet sounds better, more gnu-ish ;) | 00:37 |
| Navi | RMS can go lick his ass, who cares about GNU-ish. | 00:38 |
| doc|home | Navi: you're using GNU in your maemo.... | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:38 |
| *** b0unc3_ has joined #maemo | 00:38 | |
| Navi | The software I use is GNU/GPL, but any other open source license would work just as well. | 00:39 |
| doc|home | GNU is not a license | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | ..it's a way of life | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:39 |
| doc|home | heh | 00:39 |
| Navi | I realize it, which is why I stated GNU/GPL | 00:39 |
| Yanker | navi was just jokin' | 00:39 |
| doc|home | so, in other words, once again, you're talking out of your arse | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | quite normal | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:40 |
| doc|home | indeed | 00:40 |
| * Navi sighs | 00:40 | |
| KotCzarny | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-September/035322.html | 00:41 |
| Navi | doc|home, I never stated GNU was a license. | 00:41 |
| *** Zword has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| Yanker | The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software: the GNU system. | 00:41 |
| Yanker | never the less, the GPL underlines the phrase 'free software' =) | 00:42 |
| Yanker | i can't begin to tell ya how optimistic i am about linux on a tablet | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | it only takes one binary kernel module to taint it | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | and if it is a network device driver... | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:43 |
| cLin | out of fb2, oeb and openreader, which format is most popular? | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | html | 00:44 |
| lcuk | txt | 00:44 |
| glass | txt or simple html | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | txt is hxc | 00:44 |
| cLin | i just used a pdf to html and it splits it into one html fileper page | 00:44 |
| cLin | is that normal? | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:44 |
| cLin | ok | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | you can join htmls | 00:44 |
| Yanker | hmm drivers.. anyone has a good buzzword for something to put serialized bits through the bluetooth? | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | or make index page | 00:44 |
| Navi | Don't have to >_> | 00:45 |
| Yanker | from say.. commandline or a c-lib? | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | An interesting observation is that this ARMv5TE code is practically as | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | fast as current ARMv6 implementation when considering only the number | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | crunching part, but falls behind on storing pixel data to memory as | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | ARMv6 can do cropping to 0-255 range much more efficiently because of | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | having special instructions for that. | 00:45 |
| *** Spakman has quit IRC | 00:46 | |
| KotCzarny | there's hope for optimizations | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | for n800+ that is | 00:46 |
| *** captainigloo_ has quit IRC | 00:47 | |
| lcuk | theres always hope. its whether or not there is a will to perform those optimisations. | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | i guess there is | 00:47 |
| * lcuk is optimising graphics in a different direction | 00:47 | |
| KotCzarny | it's already fast enough to do 800x480x25fps | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | 'optimizing' | 00:47 |
| lcuk | but not with sound tho is there | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | you can always write a script to run mplayer -ac none && mplayer -vc none -ao gst at the same time | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not a realtime. | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | realtime | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/a/in/ | 00:49 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: innd not a realtime. | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 00:49 |
| cLin | KotCzarny, you got any good pdf -> html converters? | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | cLin, Acrobat. | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | it would be cool if mplayer had a ability to intercommunicate and sync | 00:49 |
| cLin | i use foxit =\ | 00:49 |
| lcuk | its perfectly possible to get the data to the framebuffer in realtime (my greyscale xv renderer can manage it full res) but thers not too much time left over for doing anything else | 00:49 |
| lcuk | dropping the res slightly gives more time available and doesnt look half bad - renders at fullscreen with free scaling etc | 00:50 |
| *** s33ds has joined #maemo | 00:51 | |
| lcuk | ahhh speaking of which - is it possible for me to inform sdl_ttf that i want a different aspect ratio when rendering fonts | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 00:52 |
| s33ds | hiya, im fiddling a bit with the .mozilla settings.. is there any mplayerplug-in as in usual distros yet? | 00:52 |
| lcuk | i couldnt see anything in my cursory observations - i think it takes it from the screen itself | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/benchmark/testsuite1/ | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | for the needy | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | also 2 is there | 00:54 |
| s33ds | the about:plugins looks a little sad in my microb.. :s | 00:54 |
| *** anthrobug has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| *** b0unc3 has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| *** behdad has joined #maemo | 00:57 | |
| *** barisione has joined #maemo | 00:58 | |
| lcuk | holy shit | 00:58 |
| lcuk | ive just remembered what i was doing code wise the day my amiga died :S | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | parkinson attacks | 00:59 |
| lcuk | just wow | 01:00 |
| lcuk | :P im not sick | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | now go with the program | 01:00 |
| *** blkno1 has quit IRC | 01:02 | |
| lcuk | i think i might do actually, it was reading about arm thumb instructions - i got a feeling like when you smell something and it brings you back to the kitchen when you were 3 | 01:02 |
| lcuk | back later | 01:02 |
| *** GnutoN810 has joined #maemo | 01:02 | |
| GnutoN810 | hi | 01:03 |
| johnx | hello | 01:03 |
| GnutoN810 | hey johnx! | 01:04 |
| unixSnob | Yeah.. kinda like if you grow up around pot smoke and good times.. then rediscover that odor when you're old enough to know what it is | 01:04 |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 01:05 | |
| GnutoN810 | i've just set up my openvpn server | 01:05 |
| * lcuk opens the window and fafts a towel around | 01:05 | |
| *** blkno1 has joined #maemo | 01:05 | |
| lcuk | w^ | 01:05 |
| unixSnob | using ddwrt? | 01:05 |
| GnutoN810 | and now i'm able to use openvpn on my n810..it's great. | 01:06 |
| freelikegnu | hmm maemo-sdk repos dont seem to be working | 01:06 |
| *** jprieur has quit IRC | 01:06 | |
| GnutoN810 | unixSnob, no i've got a linux server behind my router | 01:06 |
| freelikegnu | Resolving repository.maemo.org... 205.177.95.69, 205.177.95.55 | 01:06 |
| freelikegnu | Connecting to repository.maemo.org|205.177.95.69|:80... connected. | 01:06 |
| freelikegnu | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found | 01:06 |
| unixSnob | I'm redownloading the scratchbox, and its working okay | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | he talks about maemo-sdk | 01:08 |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 01:08 | |
| freelikegnu | hmm seems like its maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.0.1_armel.tgz now | 01:08 |
| unixSnob | I just downloaded rootstrap within the hour | 01:09 |
| freelikegnu | changing to # Release configuration | 01:11 |
| freelikegnu | __version=4.0.1 | 01:11 |
| freelikegnu | seems to be working | 01:11 |
| *** cmarcelo has left #maemo | 01:11 | |
| *** xuser_ has joined #maemo | 01:13 | |
| unixSnob | I was blown away to discover that Windows CE is open source | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | open, but free? | 01:14 |
| unixSnob | wonder what compelled microsoft to give up their control freakishness | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | and wince sucked | 01:14 |
| unixSnob | no, not free | 01:14 |
| johnx | unixSnob, that "shared source" license? | 01:14 |
| unixSnob | or at least, not free to redistribute | 01:14 |
| unixSnob | Yeah, I think so | 01:14 |
| johnx | that's not really following the "open source" guidelines then | 01:14 |
| unixSnob | It's a crappy license | 01:14 |
| johnx | more like "the source is available, in some way" | 01:15 |
| unixSnob | But the fact that all the code is readable is quite a step for M$ | 01:15 |
| *** zodman has quit IRC | 01:15 | |
| freelikegnu | more like open sores | 01:15 |
| Tama^3 | I wonder if it compiles | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:15 |
| freelikegnu | but will it blend? | 01:15 |
| Navi | What's "USB on the go"? | 01:15 |
| Tama^3 | freelikegnu: I think so | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | probably one without much power | 01:16 |
| johnx | Navi, a general name for a class of devices that can be a device or host | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | and allowed to blow any devices it doesn't like | 01:16 |
| Navi | johnx, ah | 01:16 |
| Navi | gah | 01:16 |
| Navi | alsa's dead | 01:16 |
| johnx | eh? | 01:16 |
| Navi | Er, on my system :P | 01:17 |
| johnx | Navi, netcraft confirms it? | 01:17 |
| johnx | :P | 01:17 |
| Navi | No sound | 01:17 |
| *** xuser has quit IRC | 01:18 | |
| *** b0unc3 has joined #maemo | 01:18 | |
| *** desertc has joined #maemo | 01:18 | |
| desertc | You all heard the good news that the new Ubuntu Mobile will incorporate the Maemo UI ? | 01:19 |
| johnx | yup | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | bad news it doesn't matter much for n8x0 | 01:19 |
| johnx | 6 or so months ago | 01:19 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, it might get people to make more hildon apps | 01:20 |
| jku | desertc, link? | 01:20 |
| desertc | KotCzarny: it is going to be wildly popular, and Canonical will be encouraging all sorts of development on it | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | i guess there will be incompatibilies | 01:21 |
| freelikegnu | oh god no more Hildon apps! | 01:21 |
| desertc | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+mobile | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:21 |
| doc|home | links in relation to maemo? | 01:21 |
| johnx | freelikegnu, eh? | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | +maemo ? | 01:21 |
| dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "maemo" is not a valid command. | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:21 |
| freelikegnu | just being silly | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | +ls | 01:21 |
| dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "ls" is not a valid command. | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | +set | 01:21 |
| desertc | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=ubuntu+mobile+maemo | 01:21 |
| dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "set" is not a valid command. | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | +help | 01:21 |
| freelikegnu | I'm installing 4.0.1 sdk | 01:21 |
| dtahtbot | KotCzarny: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 01:21 |
| doc|home | ... | 01:21 |
| jku | desertc, your point? e.g. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile doesn't even mention hildon or maemo | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | +help * | 01:22 |
| dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: There is no command "*". | 01:22 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, stop hax0ring :P | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | what's that? | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 01:22 |
| *** desertc has left #maemo | 01:22 | |
| jku | desertc, it does mention a flash or clutter UI | 01:22 |
| johnx | apps will be hildon though, and designed for an 800x480 screen, IIRC | 01:23 |
| *** barisione has quit IRC | 01:24 | |
| jku | Yeah, I'm not really expecting them not to use hildon, but I'm just wondering what the "news" was... | 01:24 |
| *** s33ds has left #maemo | 01:24 | |
| johnx | might just be rumblings about hardy heron coming up | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | i misread 'heroin' | 01:25 |
| * Yanker is away: ?¿? be back in a while ?¿? | 01:25 | |
| KotCzarny | lame script. | 01:25 |
| *** mikedmann has joined #maemo | 01:26 | |
| *** christefano has quit IRC | 01:27 | |
| *** juergbi has quit IRC | 01:29 | |
| *** christefano has joined #maemo | 01:29 | |
| GnutoN810 | night | 01:29 |
| *** GnutoN810 has quit IRC | 01:29 | |
| *** mikedman has quit IRC | 01:32 | |
| *** felipec has quit IRC | 01:33 | |
| *** GenucoBadmatray is now known as Dregs | 01:33 | |
| *** christefano has quit IRC | 01:35 | |
| *** b0unc3_ has quit IRC | 01:36 | |
| *** vcgomes has joined #maemo | 01:38 | |
| *** christefano has joined #maemo | 01:39 | |
| *** philipl has joined #maemo | 01:40 | |
| *** hugolp has quit IRC | 01:40 | |
| *** xuser_ has quit IRC | 01:41 | |
| *** akv has quit IRC | 01:43 | |
| *** Stskeeps has quit IRC | 01:44 | |
| *** xuser has joined #maemo | 01:44 | |
| *** madamn has joined #maemo | 01:44 | |
| madamn | hello everyone. Is this the correct channel to come to if you have questions about an N800 ? | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 01:45 |
| *** EruditeHermit has joined #maemo | 01:45 | |
| *** Blafasel is now known as blafasel | 01:45 | |
| johnx | it's pretty much the only channel :) | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | probably not | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:45 |
| madamn | oh ok i wasent sure if it was the developer only channel or not ? | 01:45 |
| *** Spork has joined #maemo | 01:46 | |
| johnx | well, they let me in, so I guess it's not devs only :D | 01:46 |
| johnx | ask away | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is it. | 01:46 |
| madamn | is there an easy way to associate chm files to fbreader ? | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | though it should do it automagically | 01:47 |
| madamn | i have about 5-6 so i might get thrown out for being a pain | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | adding extension/mimetype/action is pretty easy | 01:47 |
| lcuk | madamn, do you mean associate as in "open with fbreader" from the explorer, or "does fbreader handle chm files" | 01:47 |
| madamn | it dont it asks what program i want to open with and i can choose fbreader but no way that i have sen to permanitly set it but i havent messedwith the cli much yet so i may miss it | 01:47 |
| *** mikedman has joined #maemo | 01:47 | |
| madamn | no i can read in fbreader i am trying to associate | 01:48 |
| lcuk | ive given up with that method and end up using the library | 01:48 |
| lcuk | its a bit of a pita, but it does remember your previous folder | 01:48 |
| lcuk | (plus, i read txt files as well but have them opening for edit) | 01:48 |
| *** akv has joined #maemo | 01:49 | |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#mime | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | it's as easy as copying file and putting chm instead of other fbreader formAt | 01:50 |
| madamn | oh that lookslike fun i need to setup ssh i dont wanna do that with a stylus | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | send that file via bt | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | back and forth | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| madamn | dont have bt but can do it via usb or wireless | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | usb won't do | 01:51 |
| pupnik | you should learn about the great ludwig von mises | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | it's on internal flash | 01:51 |
| johnx | but yes, install ssh server. it's really easy :) | 01:52 |
| madamn | ok i assume i can do the same with pdf's toswitch to evince right | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 01:52 |
| *** Cptnodegard has quit IRC | 01:53 | |
| lcuk | thanks KotCzarny when i was talking to another dev a couple of weeks ago i thought it required a software change (to register the app within osso as handling certain mime types) i will keep hold of this | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i haven't checked it | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess it will do | 01:55 |
| madamn | ok this question will most likely need to be asked elsewhere but ill ask here incase i get lucky. Is itpossible to change the cacheing in evince so it will load more pages at a time id like to set like a 10 meg buffer for it | 01:55 |
| *** christefano has quit IRC | 01:55 | |
| madamn | or even in the default pdf reader ? the main reason i bought this device was to be an ebook reader with web access plus i like to support open source :) | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 01:56 |
| lcuk | fbreader is an open source reader - and it looks amazing | 01:56 |
| Navi | too bad it can't do pdf yet. | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | fbreader is medialibrarized :/ | 01:56 |
| lcuk | (its just too slow for me) | 01:56 |
| unixSnob | can fbreader handle djvu? | 01:56 |
| madamn | sometimes | 01:57 |
| madamn | i had 1 load and 3 fail sofar | 01:57 |
| madamn | grr i keep missing spacebar sorry | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, it's juts as well that it can't do PDF | 01:57 |
| lcuk | what does fbreader read best? does it have a prefered format, and would it be easy enough to convert documents to that format? | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shoehorning PDF into its viewing style wouldn't work well. | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | HTML works best for me. | 01:57 |
| Navi | HTML is nice | 01:58 |
| * lcuk is flat | 01:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RTF/txt/mobi/prc work well, too. | 01:58 |
| Navi | you can always convert PDF to HTML too | 01:58 |
| lcuk | a book is about the words, not how they look | 01:58 |
| freelikegnu | unless they are not readable | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, typography has it's place. :P | 01:58 |
| lcuk | lol of course | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, I fail to see why that's a bad thing. . . . | 01:59 |
| lcuk | i understand GeneralAntilles which is why ive grafted to get ttf fonts in (via sdl_ttf) | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, really, why it's relevant for an ebook reader. | 01:59 |
| johnx | seriously, why would anyone create an ebook in PDF format...? | 01:59 |
| freelikegnu | and even the style of typeface, kerning, linespacing, etc have much to to with readability | 01:59 |
| madamn | most computer ebooks are in pdf format | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because they look really nice on the desktop. ;) | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | because i don't like to browse for my files every time i copy them into device | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at Tor's PDF releases. | 01:59 |
| madamn | 90% of my ebooks are in pdf | 01:59 |
| lcuk | scanned images - pdf is a convenient format for paginating scanned images | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, you do realize it can auto-scan, right? | 02:00 |
| johnx | they look really nice on a certain size of monitor...but horrible on everything else | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | ga: where? | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right on the first page of the prefs. . . . | 02:00 |
| * johnx makes sure his ebooks are at most one translation away from html | 02:00 | |
| KotCzarny | it's ui missed me | 02:00 |
| madamn | guess im odd i love reading them on my nokia but it sucks waiting for it to cache pages | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still don't see your point, though. | 02:00 |
| johnx | the preferences page is a bit...dense | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | PDF is stupid for the Nokia. | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | let's see.. | 02:01 |
| lcuk | fbreader suffers for me by dislodging and showing a rotated block of text and library list on the main windowed screen | 02:01 |
| lcuk | when the ui is presented in a different orientation my eyes bleed | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | What | 02:01 |
| johnx | madamn, I love reading ebooks on my N800, but not being able to zoom and reflow the text is too much to give up | 02:01 |
| lcuk | i read rotated 90deg - fbreader shows the book at that orientation when the menus and hildon is around | 02:02 |
| unixSnob | PDF is stupid as a format of choice for the Nokia.. but necessary since it's so saturated into everything | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | PDF -> HTML isn't TOO hard, though. | 02:02 |
| *** mikedmann has quit IRC | 02:02 | |
| lcuk | need a compressed format which keeps things together | 02:02 |
| unixSnob | Is format preserved in going to html? | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, isn't that the point of a media library, not having to browse for your stuff? <_< | 02:02 |
| lcuk | pdf is actually very good at what it does, but its geared for print sized pages | 02:03 |
| unixSnob | I've only seen PDF to Word converters that preserve format | 02:03 |
| madamn | i have only tried pdf -> html one time and i lost all images in a cisco manual images are a must | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | i may be blind | 02:03 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, and you are. | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | but where exactly it has 'search for books button' ? | 02:03 |
| *** pdz has joined #maemo | 02:03 | |
| KotCzarny | (and add them automatically) | 02:03 |
| lcuk | just press the left most icon twice | 02:04 |
| lcuk | the 3 books stacked | 02:04 |
| lcuk | then the 1 book | 02:04 |
| lcuk | the 3 books takes you to your library. then there is an add icon - this opens a file selector | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | and i have to add book by book | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | no 'add all you can find' | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at prefs. | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | wtf. is wrong with browse dir | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | ga: screenshot pls | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | what i want is a way to easily browse my dirs and read what i like | 02:06 |
| lcuk | exactly what i just said | 02:06 |
| lcuk | browse - oh look its a book | 02:07 |
| xuser | is there a vnc viewer for maemo? | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | xuser: yes | 02:07 |
| *** jacques has quit IRC | 02:07 | |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: it's gui is not the best in terms of intuitiviness | 02:07 |
| lcuk | in options, general tab has book path and "look for books in subdirectories" | 02:07 |
| lcuk | i agree kot | 02:08 |
| xuser | KotCzarny: kk | 02:08 |
| lcuk | but im there for the books, the library is just that | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:08 |
| lcuk | actually on mine, the library has filled up :) | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | i usually put books in Books | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | wtf is that 'library' thing | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | just browse that dir | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:08 |
| lcuk | additional information about books | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | i don't need no fscking additional information | 02:09 |
| *** sbaturzio has joined #maemo | 02:09 | |
| KotCzarny | the only information i need is in dir/fname.ext | 02:09 |
| lcuk | categories title author parts of a series format layouts indents | 02:09 |
| *** sbaturzio has quit IRC | 02:09 | |
| lcuk | (just click next if you dont care) | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | and how is layout helpfull? | 02:09 |
| * lcuk shrugs - go ask fbreader guy, perhaps he realised that preferences can be specific to a book | 02:10 | |
| KotCzarny | still, i would be better of with mc and using fbreader as a backend for books | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | *off | 02:11 |
| lcuk | the reader has come across many formats and has quite a following, i am sure it will be explained somewhere on their site | 02:12 |
| lcuk | mc? | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | midnight commander | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | nc clone | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | quite powerful and convenient | 02:12 |
| lcuk | i agree with you, but for now - needs must | 02:13 |
| madamn | ok here comes the stupid queston i have the openssh server to install via package manager but there is no default username or a root username how would i go about connecting to it | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | nope. | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | i will just use term -e mc | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | madamn, it should force you to set a root pass. | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | then add a rule for fbreader in mc | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:13 |
| madamn | oh ok kool | 02:14 |
| madamn | and i assume root can ssh by default ? | 02:14 |
| *** xuser_ has joined #maemo | 02:15 | |
| johnx | madamn, yes | 02:15 |
| johnx | you can set a user password after you log in as root or use public key authentication | 02:15 |
| madamn | eww thats a security hole but its a portable device so i wont complain | 02:15 |
| *** alterego has quit IRC | 02:15 | |
| *** xuser has quit IRC | 02:16 | |
| johnx | that root can ssh by default? | 02:16 |
| *** pdz- has quit IRC | 02:16 | |
| KotCzarny | madamn: nope, ssh isn't installed by default | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's your decision to use it | 02:16 |
| xuser_ | KotCzarny: what's the name for the vnc app? | 02:16 |
| jku | johnx, with openssh default config yes | 02:16 |
| madamn | lol no that root can my freebsd box has a 45+ char pass for root everything is done via sudo lol | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | xuser: don't remember, i have seen it though while googling | 02:17 |
| xuser_ | kk | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | madamn: then you know how to secure it | 02:17 |
| madamn | vnc app is called vncviewer | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | no problem | 02:17 |
| *** krau has joined #maemo | 02:17 | |
| madamn | :) i will eventually i am assuming once i getinto the cli a whole new world will open up to me | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:18 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vncviewer/ | 02:18 |
| johnx | yes, finding new and exciting ways to break things :P | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | breaking things is ok | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | at least you learn something | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:19 |
| madamn | i am just excited i may be able to make icons for some shell scripts to run | 02:19 |
| cLin | when i install a new app, does metalayer-crawler need to be on for it to be in my menu? | 02:19 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, agreed | 02:19 |
| madamn | and its a portable device everything is backed up incase of bricking its what a reflash and copy to mmc entire reload is what 1 hour max its worth breaking a few dozen times for experience | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | cLin, metalayer crawler has nothing to do with the Application Menu. | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Application Menu scans .desktops. | 02:20 |
| johnx | madamn, if you boot off of sd you can just rsync your whole filesystem into place if you break things | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | What did you install? | 02:20 |
| xuser_ | lcuk: yeah I was looking only in the AM but it isn't there. | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | try 'other' | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | On that note, has anybody put together a nice script or somesuch for creating a .jffs2 image of the rootfs? | 02:20 |
| cLin | nothing, was just wondering the side affects of disabling it | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | it usually puts unknown icons there | 02:20 |
| *** Yanker has quit IRC | 02:21 | |
| madamn | boot off of mmc o now that sounds like fun and probly faster with a class 6 sd card. | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | speed isn't an issue | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never noticed a difference, anyway. | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | it's the fun factor | 02:21 |
| johnx | theoretically it's a little faster | 02:21 |
| madamn | what does it use ext2? reiser? | 02:21 |
| * KotCzarny has a class6 card | 02:22 | |
| KotCzarny | it's slower than internal flash | 02:22 |
| johnx | madamn, ext3 or ext2 | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | at least after hparm -t | 02:22 |
| lcuk | xuser_, if you have default repositories configured it will not display, i think it might however be in the extras but you will have to see, or just get the deb | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | hdparm | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The key is that it's not a compressed filesystem. | 02:22 |
| madamn | is there a decent walkthrough anywhere ? and is it offically supported ? | 02:22 |
| johnx | officially supported by nokia? hell no | 02:22 |
| madamn | lol | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | madamn: maemo.org | 02:22 |
| johnx | howto available? yes | 02:22 |
| johnx | google maemo boot mmc | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | /dev/mtdblock4: | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | Timing buffered disk reads: 54 MB in 3.07 seconds = 17.59 MB/sec | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | (internal flash) | 02:24 |
| madamn | will it use the full 256 meg of flash as ram when doing mmc boot ? | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | /dev/mmcblk0: | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | Timing buffered disk reads: 16 MB in 3.37 seconds = 4.75 MB/sec | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | class6 8gb sd card | 02:24 |
| johnx | madamn, er no | 02:24 |
| johnx | flash != RAM | 02:24 |
| madamn | oh well would be a good place to put /swap then | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | don't | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | you don't need swap | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | unless you plan on running apach+mysql there | 02:25 |
| johnx | madamn, you realize that flash memory has a limited number of write cycles, yes? | 02:25 |
| madamn | nah just opera and 10-20meg ebooks | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | then you don't need swap | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | install ssh and see for yourself | 02:25 |
| *** djcb` has joined #maemo | 02:30 | |
| *** CrashandDie has quit IRC | 02:34 | |
| *** p| has quit IRC | 02:35 | |
| madamn | ok whats the nokia equivlent to ifconfig ? | 02:35 |
| johnx | ifconfig | 02:35 |
| freelikegnu | <rimshot> | 02:35 |
| madamn | ifconfig: command not found i thought thought would be part of the core | 02:36 |
| *** mallum has quit IRC | 02:36 | |
| johnx | madamn, are you root? | 02:36 |
| *** blkno1 has quit IRC | 02:36 | |
| johnx | is ifconfig in user's path on your freebsd box? | 02:36 |
| xuser_ | lcuk: you can add the garage.maemo.org repositories to the AM? | 02:36 |
| madamn | prolly not let me see if su works | 02:37 |
| johnx | madamn, sudo gainroot or ssh root@localhost | 02:37 |
| freelikegnu | iwconfig wroks without root just to view interfaces | 02:37 |
| freelikegnu | ifconfig should be the same | 02:37 |
| johnx | /sbin/ifconfig | 02:37 |
| johnx | it's just that /sbin isn't in user's $PATH | 02:38 |
| *** LastOfTheEld has joined #maemo | 02:38 | |
| cLin | anyone using xmms? | 02:39 |
| johnx | some people, apparently | 02:39 |
| cLin | i installed the skin plugin but i cant find them | 02:39 |
| *** LastOfTheEld has quit IRC | 02:39 | |
| *** LastOfTheEld has joined #maemo | 02:40 | |
| *** seraph1 has quit IRC | 02:41 | |
| *** JussiP has quit IRC | 02:42 | |
| madamn | lol enableRD mode if you want to break your device. that is so comforting | 02:43 |
| *** djcb has quit IRC | 02:43 | |
| johnx | just install becomeroot or ssh root@localhost | 02:43 |
| johnx | no need to screw around with rd mode | 02:44 |
| LastOfTheEld | can anyone point me in the right direction to solve: "hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h: No such file or directory" when trying to compile a program in scratchbox? | 02:47 |
| johnx | interesting, I have hildon-program.h in my scratchbox but it's not under hildon-widgets | 02:49 |
| johnx | maybe it was located there for bora, and moved for chinook? | 02:50 |
| LastOfTheEld | where is it located for you? | 02:50 |
| johnx | libhildon1-dev: /usr/include/hildon-1/hildon/hildon-program.h | 02:50 |
| *** krau has quit IRC | 02:50 | |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 02:50 |
| *** pvanhoof has quit IRC | 02:50 | |
| KotCzarny | same for me | 02:51 |
| madamn | is there a newsreader available as pan does does not seem to want to install | 02:51 |
| LastOfTheEld | ah, there it is, thanks | 02:51 |
| johnx | LastOfTheEld, dpkg -S is your friend :) | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | or find | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:52 |
| *** madamn has quit IRC | 02:52 | |
| LastOfTheEld | yeah, i've only been using linux for a few months, so i'm still learning the ropes ;p | 02:53 |
| LastOfTheEld | thanks for the input, though | 02:53 |
| johnx | sure :) | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | that would be 5E | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:54 |
| *** vcgomes has quit IRC | 02:56 | |
| *** LastOfTheEld has quit IRC | 02:58 | |
| KotCzarny | checking if you are too dumbing dumb for the dummy... no | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 02:59 |
| freelikegnu | bah I'm getting libfakeroot: connect: Connection timed out | 03:01 |
| freelikegnu | during sdk install | 03:01 |
| freelikegnu | :P | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | somthing lags | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 03:02 |
| freelikegnu | I've tried 4 times | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | try tomorrow | 03:02 |
| freelikegnu | ok | 03:02 |
| *** booiiing__ has joined #maemo | 03:03 | |
| freelikegnu | its jsut impossible to do anything with my n800 this w/e :( | 03:03 |
| freelikegnu | how frustrating | 03:03 |
| KotCzarny | life, find a mirror | 03:03 |
| *** aloisiojr has quit IRC | 03:03 | |
| *** Zword has joined #maemo | 03:04 | |
| *** lindever__ has quit IRC | 03:08 | |
| unixSnob | yeah, that sdk install is a pain in the ass.. the script doesn't work out of the box | 03:12 |
| johnx | and mirroring would be against the EULA I assume | 03:12 |
| Tama^3 | freelikegnu: you are spending too much time blending /me shakes head | 03:15 |
| *** booiiing_ has quit IRC | 03:16 | |
| *** mikedmann has joined #maemo | 03:17 | |
| unixSnob | what do you mean "blending"? | 03:18 |
| johnx | putting things in a blender and turning it on | 03:18 |
| Tama^3 | I have no clue, ask freelikegnu. He is the one saying the word 'blend' seemingly out of context. | 03:20 |
| Tama^3 | :P | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | ipod blending was cool | 03:20 |
| *** LastOfTheEld has joined #maemo | 03:21 | |
| LastOfTheEld | so here's hoping someone can help again | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | you still have outstanding balance with us | 03:22 |
| LastOfTheEld | when trying to run the maemo_hello program, i'm getting the error GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | export DISPLAY=:0 | 03:23 |
| johnx | did you run xephyr as suggested? | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | (or :2) | 03:23 |
| *** herz1 has joined #maemo | 03:23 | |
| LastOfTheEld | yeah, i've got xephyr running, and its currently displaying the initial screen | 03:24 |
| johnx | alright, then export DISPLAY=:2 | 03:24 |
| LastOfTheEld | yeah, i did that, followed by af-sb-init.sh start | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | then past message AFTER ":" | 03:25 |
| johnx | ah, what command line did you run xephyr with? | 03:25 |
| LastOfTheEld | after the : is nothing, the line ends with the : | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | then something is b0rken | 03:25 |
| LastOfTheEld | i ran Xephyr in a terminal on my machine, and ran the other commands within scratchbox | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | install gcc and other tools on nokia then | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | and compile it there | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:25 |
| unixSnob | xhost+ | 03:25 |
| johnx | right, what was the full line for xephyr? "xephyr arg1 arg2" | 03:26 |
| LastOfTheEld | Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac | 03:26 |
| johnx | alright, humor me and in scratchbox: try export DISPLAY=:2 then run your command again | 03:27 |
| LastOfTheEld | ...i like your humor | 03:29 |
| LastOfTheEld | that makes no sense why that works | 03:29 |
| johnx | works? | 03:29 |
| LastOfTheEld | but it does, and thank you : ) | 03:29 |
| johnx | you typoed earlier? | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | learn *nix | 03:29 |
| johnx | maybe missed a : ? | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | maybe wrong window | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:29 |
| johnx | anyways, no worries | 03:29 |
| LastOfTheEld | nope, same exact command, used the 'up' to bring it up | 03:29 |
| johnx | heh, I don't know then | 03:29 |
| LastOfTheEld | well now that i've got a program running, time to learn how to manipulate them. if i have any more trouble, i know where to go. thanks again, guys! | 03:30 |
| johnx | sure. Just write us lots of cool apps. :D | 03:31 |
| *** lmoura has quit IRC | 03:32 | |
| *** mikedman has quit IRC | 03:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | If you don't, we'll hunt you down. | 03:33 |
| LastOfTheEld | completely understandable; i'll do my best | 03:34 |
| *** eton has joined #maemo | 03:37 | |
| unixSnob | what are the rootstraps? | 03:38 |
| unixSnob | i'd downloading them.. and installing them, not sure what they do for me | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | save some time | 03:38 |
| johnx | from what I understand, they provide kind-of a chroot environment | 03:38 |
| unixSnob | i thought scratchbox did that | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | scratchbox is general tool | 03:39 |
| *** herzi has quit IRC | 03:39 | |
| KotCzarny | rootstraps are maemo related | 03:39 |
| johnx | or "whatever you're using scratchbox to develop for" related | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:39 |
| unixSnob | i notice the docs are out of order.. step 2: configure targets, step 3: download rootstraps | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | they are not | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | you're reading wrong docs though | 03:41 |
| unixSnob | When I'm configuring the targets, the rootstraps aren't there yet | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | what i did was: 1/ run 'install sb script' 2/ 'install maemo sdk' script | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | and done | 03:41 |
| unixSnob | yeah, doesn't work for me | 03:41 |
| *** NickDe has quit IRC | 03:41 | |
| unixSnob | 1st script works | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | then you're doing it wrong | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | apparently | 03:42 |
| unixSnob | but 2nd script fails the same way every time. This is my 2nd time repeating the process | 03:42 |
| johnx | or maemo.org is not accessible from where you are... | 03:42 |
| unixSnob | The second script fails because "a scratchbox session is running" when indeed it's not | 03:42 |
| unixSnob | everything downloads okay | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | don't question error messages. | 03:43 |
| unixSnob | so I'm doing the SDK install manually.. which has a screwed up order | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | it won't work that way | 03:43 |
| johnx | you can configure the target before you install the rootstrap | 03:44 |
| johnx | the way scratchbox works isn't exactly straightforward | 03:44 |
| unixSnob | Yeah, in the GUI i can configure the target, as long as I cancel before the rootstrap business. | 03:44 |
| unixSnob | From the CLI, the configuration fails | 03:44 |
| *** unique311 has joined #maemo | 03:48 | |
| *** Tuco800 has joined #maemo | 03:50 | |
| unixSnob | another oversight: the docs say execute "apt-get update", w/out indicating what target to do that in. | 03:51 |
| johnx | both targets | 03:51 |
| unixSnob | It works in the i386 target, but not the arm target because the binaries won't run | 03:51 |
| unixSnob | Do I need qemu at this point? | 03:51 |
| johnx | they should run. qemu should be included | 03:51 |
| johnx | it sounds like something is pretty screwed up | 03:51 |
| *** Masca has joined #maemo | 03:52 | |
| unixSnob | So when I'm in the arm target, should qemu be running automatically? | 03:53 |
| johnx | yes | 03:53 |
| johnx | that's most of the point of scratchbox | 03:53 |
| *** jeff1f has quit IRC | 03:54 | |
| unixSnob | I think I see what happened.. I used sb-menu to setup the arm target, and I think the qemu command didn't make it into the config | 03:56 |
| unixSnob | So I blew away the arm target, and now setup w/ commandline | 03:57 |
| unixSnob | yeah, that fixed it | 03:57 |
| elb | you have to have a binfmt_misc setup for qemu | 03:57 |
| elb | which may have been missing | 03:58 |
| unixSnob | so do you folks develop in the i386 target most of the time? and then just use the arm target for a testing? | 04:00 |
| * KotCzarny mounts sb dir on nokia and just runs from there | 04:00 | |
| *** livinded has joined #maemo | 04:00 | |
| KotCzarny | sshfs ftw! | 04:00 |
| johnx | most of my stuff is just recompiles so I just stay on the ARMEL target | 04:00 |
| elb | my impression is that most people don't test in scratchbox at all | 04:01 |
| *** behdad has quit IRC | 04:01 | |
| KotCzarny | also vnc is handy | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | if you don't want to drain your nokia's battery | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | with screen off it drains very little power | 04:01 |
| *** behdad has joined #maemo | 04:03 | |
| briand | 3\ | 04:04 |
| *** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC | 04:07 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles has joined #maemo | 04:08 | |
| *** christefano has joined #maemo | 04:12 | |
| KotCzarny | anyone wants to see retu-adc visualization? | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:17 |
| * KotCzarny plays with gnuplot | 04:17 | |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 04:20 | |
| unixSnob | gnuplot on the NIT? reall? | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | why not? | 04:21 |
| unixSnob | i was wondering if any good graphical calcs were on there | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | compile one yourself, and there wil be | 04:21 |
| *** livinded has quit IRC | 04:35 | |
| MipsIrv | anyone here have any experience with some of the older trends for handheld devices.. kdrive.. microwindows, fltk etc? | 04:36 |
| johnx | kdrive is alive and well | 04:36 |
| MipsIrv | it looks like some of these projects have died, but I suspect that they may have been a bit leaner compared to some of the trends today | 04:37 |
| Tama^3 | a n00bish question: is GDK the "interface" between GTK and the Xserver? (at least in the version of GTK used by chinook) | 04:37 |
| johnx | fltk is still used somewhat | 04:37 |
| johnx | I think microwindows stalled, IIRC | 04:37 |
| MipsIrv | last update i see on the site is 2003 | 04:37 |
| johnx | MipsIrv, for kdrive? | 04:37 |
| MipsIrv | too bad.. the last update was improved NXLIB compatability | 04:37 |
| MipsIrv | i don't know the status of kdrive.. i haven't touched it in a while | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png | 04:38 |
| MipsIrv | the last embedded device I worked on was an agenda vr3 and an nec mobilepro 800 | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | anyone knows meaning of retu-adc fields on n800? | 04:38 |
| johnx | MipsIrv, who's website was last updated in 2003? | 04:38 |
| MipsIrv | microwindows | 04:39 |
| johnx | ah | 04:39 |
| johnx | yeah, the processing power and RAM/storage available made more full-featured things more attractive | 04:39 |
| johnx | xomap and xfbdev are based on kdrive | 04:39 |
| johnx | and xephyr is as well I think | 04:39 |
| johnx | I think someone used fltk to write some apps for the N8x0 | 04:40 |
| MipsIrv | so what about enhancements such as XIP.. still in use or just pointless with newer hardware? | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | xip is there | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | ie available in the kernel | 04:46 |
| unixSnob | i just realized I installed scratchbox on a small drive.. didn't realize I would want it to grow. Suppose I move the whole tree elsewhere.. are there any interdependancies on the location of the scratchbox? | 04:47 |
| *** Pio has quit IRC | 04:47 | |
| unixSnob | I'll probably make a symbolic link just to be safe | 04:47 |
| johnx | unixSnob, that's what I did | 04:47 |
| johnx | the init script to set up binfmt, etc wants it to be /scratchbox | 04:47 |
| johnx | a symlink works fine | 04:47 |
| unixSnob | ok, thanks | 04:48 |
| *** mikedmann has quit IRC | 04:48 | |
| johnx | MipsIrv, a quick google search turns up mumblings about it being hard to implement xip and on a writeable fs | 04:50 |
| johnx | and a writeable root fs seems to be the trend (for better or worse) | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | ext2 has xip | 04:51 |
| johnx | yeah, I thought I saw that... | 04:51 |
| johnx | well, hard doesn't mean impossible | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | also there's an option to build xipImage | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | though you will need to store it uncompressed | 04:52 |
| MipsIrv | *nod* that stuff i'm used to | 04:56 |
| MipsIrv | trying to remember how to manipulate jffs2 and mtd devices and the like | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | dd? | 04:56 |
| MipsIrv | well.. i pulled down the latest 2006SE image and wanted to snoop around the initfs and rootfs on my x86 box.. can't quite figure out how to mount the jffs2 image via a loop device | 04:57 |
| *** unique311 has quit IRC | 04:57 | |
| KotCzarny | just copy it off the device itself | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:58 |
| MipsIrv | does anyone know offhand how much of the nokia image is proprietary? in the terms of service it talks about derivative works, etc and has some pretty stringent restrictions.. so far though, I have yet to see anything that is proprietary.. | 04:59 |
| MipsIrv | *nod* that's an option | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | various kernel blobs | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | and various software binaries to interact with those blobs (and other) | 04:59 |
| *** aloisiojr has joined #maemo | 05:03 | |
| *** Tuco800 has quit IRC | 05:04 | |
| *** jacques has joined #maemo | 05:06 | |
| *** argnel has quit IRC | 05:08 | |
| *** argnel has joined #maemo | 05:08 | |
| *** LastOfTheEld has quit IRC | 05:12 | |
| johnx | MipsIrv, mount the jffs2 with mtd-ram module in Linux | 05:15 |
| johnx | lots of the GUI apps are actually binary-only Nokia-proprietary | 05:16 |
| johnx | including browser UI, image viewer, media player | 05:16 |
| johnx | lots of the dsp stuff is proprietary | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | but there are 'replacements' | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:16 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, no | 05:16 |
| johnx | there aren't in most cases | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | well, i can compile most of the apps i have tried | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | and run them successfully | 05:17 |
| johnx | but the source isn't available to lots of those apps | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | like xzgv? | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | or mplayer? | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:17 |
| johnx | like the navigation plugins | 05:17 |
| johnx | or the desktop clock | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | window maker/fluxbox | 05:17 |
| *** chenkai036 has joined #maemo | 05:18 | |
| KotCzarny | dammit, sdk is available | 05:18 |
| *** EruditeHermit has quit IRC | 05:18 | |
| KotCzarny | so what they have their own apps closed? | 05:18 |
| *** chenkai036 has left #maemo | 05:18 | |
| KotCzarny | the only thing that bothers me are drivers | 05:18 |
| johnx | well, what I and other people people are trying to do is get the maemo stuff into debian | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | shouldn't it be other way around? | 05:19 |
| johnx | why? | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | bcause debian is open/free ? | 05:19 |
| johnx | if the maemo stuff can be integrated into debian, then you have instant access to anything available for debian | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | i don't understand that logic | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | wouldn't the effect be: maemo stuff would be available to debian ? | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:21 |
| johnx | that would be nice as well | 05:21 |
| johnx | but also, it would be the best of both wolds for the N8x0 | 05:21 |
| johnx | all the debian software + all of the maemo software available on the N8x0 is the goal | 05:22 |
| johnx | right now it can be a huge pain to get something from Debian onto the tablets | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | at the moment i can't see any gain of maemo software | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | there will be no pain if you run debian apps | 05:23 |
| *** Tobotras has quit IRC | 05:23 | |
| johnx | you mean Nokia's stuff or maemo apps in general? | 05:24 |
| *** Tobotras has joined #maemo | 05:24 | |
| KotCzarny | i mean, ol'good gnu/gpl | 05:24 |
| cLin | where is the home.html located on our n800? | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | clin: it's in the config | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | you can change yor homepage | 05:25 |
| johnx | Maemo apps are a lot more finger friendly, and generally better optimized to have a smaller memory footprint | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | johnx, that's just a matter of one app | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | and as far memory footprint goes.. metalayer-crawl :P | 05:26 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, you're not making much sense | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | i do | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | maemo has some bloat too | 05:26 |
| johnx | yes, but much less than gnome, xfce, or even kde | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | not true. | 05:26 |
| johnx | uhm...no | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | there's fluxbox | 05:27 |
| johnx | that's just a window manager | 05:27 |
| johnx | what do you use for web browsing under fluxbox? | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | so what? matchbox uses 'plugins' too | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | firefox or links -g | 05:27 |
| Tama^3 | funny conversation | 05:28 |
| Tama^3 | :P | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | wanna join? :P | 05:28 |
| * johnx shakes head | 05:28 | |
| Navi | Tama^3, someone multiplied you by a Tama? | 05:28 |
| Tama^3 | no thanks | 05:28 |
| Tama^3 | by a Tama^2 | 05:28 |
| Navi | zomg | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | me, myself & irene? | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:28 |
| Navi | You ate Tama^2! | 05:28 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, anyways, I think we can agree that Nokia's closed source stuff is annoying. | 05:29 |
| Tama^3 | I am disparately looking for someone to divide me or apply a log() | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: yes | 05:29 |
| * KotCzarny hits tama with a log | 05:29 | |
| Tama^3 | speaking of annoyances | 05:29 |
| Navi | Tama^3/Tama | 05:29 |
| *** Tama^3 is now known as Tama^2 | 05:29 | |
| Tama^2 | thanks | 05:29 |
| Navi | wewt | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: at least nokia played nice and published a sdk | 05:30 |
| Tama^2 | you know the system UI flickers when it appears, the notifications for instance | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | archos is a nice toy too | 05:30 |
| Tama^2 | KotCzarny: are you trolling? :P | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | but closed | 05:31 |
| * Navi bets he is | 05:31 | |
| KotCzarny | i just played with an archos 704 for a while | 05:31 |
| Tama^2 | I'd love to make the flickering go away | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | cute interface | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | very usable | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | but unfortunatelly no sdk | 05:31 |
| johnx | yes, Nokia is more friendly than most, but still annoying in their own way | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | so one would have to pay for a new codecs | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | seriously, archos ui is very well designed | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | if you get a chance, play with it for a while | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | laso finger optimized | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | also | 05:33 |
| * Tama^2 raises eyebrow | 05:33 | |
| KotCzarny | can be a good source of inspiration for a media player author | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | unfortunatelly after looking for a software or sdk and hitting the wall i decided it's not for me | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | and it's scaling alghorithm reminds me of p1mmx videos ;) | 05:35 |
| MipsIrv | anyone have any suggestions on decent pim applications that can sync with desktop? | 05:35 |
| johnx | that last part would be the sticking point | 05:35 |
| Tama^2 | MipsIrv: I wish I knew one | 05:35 |
| Navi | pimlico is nice | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | pimP my nokia? | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:36 |
| Navi | but there hasn't been any stable builds of the sync tool | 05:36 |
| Navi | I've been meaning to build it myself | 05:36 |
| Navi | but I'm lazy | 05:36 |
| Tama^2 | does pimlico work? when I looked a month ago it did not | 05:37 |
| Navi | yes, it works :P | 05:38 |
| johnx | what about it didn't work? | 05:38 |
| Navi | they have one click installs on their site | 05:38 |
| Tama^2 | which does not work for me O.o | 05:38 |
| Navi | Heh | 05:39 |
| Tama^2 | I will try again | 05:39 |
| Navi | Try it out now | 05:39 |
| Tama^2 | they install now | 05:45 |
| Tama^2 | the repo was broken before.. | 05:45 |
| *** hfwilke has joined #maemo | 05:45 | |
| Navi | :3 | 05:45 |
| Navi | pimlico is nice | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | one happy pimPer | 05:46 |
| Tama^2 | thank you Navi û.U | 05:46 |
| Navi | I only use the calendar app tough | 05:46 |
| Navi | though* | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | it's like using office for wordpad | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:47 |
| Navi | too bad wordpad isn't part of Office | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | wordpad app is replaced when you install office | 05:47 |
| *** slomo has joined #maemo | 05:48 | |
| KotCzarny | Notice: Undefined offset: 0 in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/org/openpsa/products/handler/group/list.php on line 71 | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | who broke maemo.org ? | 05:49 |
| Navi | No one broke maemo.org | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/OS2008/ | 05:50 |
| Navi | too bad the right address is http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | still, it should return 404, not 500 | 05:51 |
| * briand sighs, loudly | 05:51 | |
| Navi | briand, sup? | 05:51 |
| briand | trying to get scratchbox set up on one of my machines here... | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. | 05:53 |
| briand | installed well, and trying to proceed to installing the SDK, but cannot login to the scratchbox. says I don't have an active target in scratchbox chroot | 05:53 |
| briand | GeneralAntilles: i'm tempted. | 05:53 |
| *** dospod has joined #maemo | 05:54 | |
| unixSnob | the sdk script fails me 2 | 05:54 |
| unixSnob | had to do it manually | 05:54 |
| dospod | hey | 05:54 |
| Navi | script works for me. | 05:54 |
| KotCzarny | mtr? | 05:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:54 |
| briand | i can't even run the script, which (if I read it correctly) I should do from within the scratchbox... but I cannot get into the scratchbox | 05:54 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 05:54 |
| dospod | anyone kno when that youtube | 05:55 |
| unixSnob | and you created a user acct? | 05:55 |
| briand | ..which, I assume, is where i'd need to be to set an active target with sb-menu... but if I can't get there, I can't do that so that I can get there. | 05:55 |
| *** unixSnob has left #maemo | 05:55 | |
| dospod | canola plugin wll be ready | 05:55 |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 05:55 | |
| KotCzarny | After you have downloaded the script to your local machine, run the | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | script outside of the Scratchbox environment: | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | what instruction are you following? | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/INSTALL.txt | 05:56 |
| unixSnob | (and be sure to provide the -s switch to that script) | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | (if you b0rken sb, yes) | 05:57 |
| unixSnob | i had to run <sdk install script>.sh -s /scratchbox in order to get to the next failure point | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | unless you install manually | 05:58 |
| unixSnob | at which point i did it all manually in a slightly different order than what's documented in the INSTALL.txt file | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | then you will have to do some commands inside sb | 05:58 |
| Navi | dospod, it'll be ready when it's ready | 05:59 |
| dospod | :] i want it now | 05:59 |
| Navi | As do I | 05:59 |
| *** unixSnob has quit IRC | 05:59 | |
| briand | no, it fails. "Check for scratchbox sessions running..." followed immediately by "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! (repeated 4 times) | 06:01 |
| dospod | hmm i wonder if i buy a tv tuner if ill be able to stream video to my n800 | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | vdso | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | turn it off | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | (google for maemo vdso) | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:01 |
| Navi | Run "echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled" as root. | 06:02 |
| Navi | it'll work then. | 06:02 |
| briand | dospod: if you set it up and also set up a streaming device (such as gstreamer), then yes. | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | and feed google with error messages | 06:02 |
| *** christefano has quit IRC | 06:02 | |
| *** christefano has joined #maemo | 06:02 | |
| KotCzarny | navi: you're making it easy for him :P | 06:02 |
| dospod | would it be easy to stream live tv | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | dospod: depending how much bandwidth you have | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:03 |
| dospod | wel | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | tools are available | 06:03 |
| dospod | it | 06:03 |
| dospod | would be local streaming | 06:03 |
| briand | thank you, Navi... it seems to be running, now... | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | even mencoder can do the work | 06:03 |
| dospod | usually | 06:03 |
| dospod | and geez my | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | (compiled with v4l that is) | 06:04 |
| dospod | touch screen is messed up | 06:04 |
| Navi | briand, is it? | 06:04 |
| Navi | er | 06:04 |
| Navi | dospod, is it? | 06:04 |
| dospod | yes lo | 06:05 |
| dospod | lol * | 06:05 |
| Navi | sometimes it only looks like it's messed up, but it actually isn't :3 | 06:05 |
| briand | I "sold" an n800 yesterday, by logging into my mythtv box and streaming one of the recordings there to my n800. | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | what size? | 06:06 |
| Navi | haha | 06:06 |
| dospod | the onscreen keyboard is screwy | 06:06 |
| Navi | dospod, more details? | 06:06 |
| *** christefano has quit IRC | 06:06 | |
| dospod | just recalirated it too | 06:06 |
| Navi | What do you mean it's screwy? | 06:07 |
| dospod | ih | 06:07 |
| dospod | k | 06:07 |
| *** chenkai036 has joined #maemo | 06:08 | |
| dospod | it not clicking Where i want it tl | 06:08 |
| johnx | try drawing in maemopadplus | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:08 |
| johnx | and does it seem heat related | 06:08 |
| johnx | ? | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | or recalibrating | 06:08 |
| *** chenkai036 has left #maemo | 06:08 | |
| *** Zetx has joined #maemo | 06:09 | |
| dospod | it prob heat since its every now and then | 06:10 |
| *** Luria has joined #maemo | 06:10 | |
| dospod | brb | 06:10 |
| *** dospod has quit IRC | 06:11 | |
| freelikegnu | this looks like a nice app for the DS http://www.collectingsmiles.com/colors/ | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | ds? | 06:12 |
| briand | ?? maybe he means d10s ? | 06:12 |
| johnx | nintendo ds | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:13 |
| briand | or, maybe johnx has the answer | 06:13 |
| briand | ;) | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | A recommended setup is a Nintendo DS Lite, a R4 Revolution flash-cart and 1GB MicroSD Flash Memory Card which in total costs about US $200. | 06:14 |
| Navi | Colors is a nice drawing app | 06:15 |
| freelikegnu | looks like there is a java port of the app | 06:15 |
| Navi | it's limited, hwever. | 06:15 |
| Navi | however* | 06:15 |
| freelikegnu | http://masscat.afraid.org/ninds/colors_ds.php | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | is there java for n8x0 ? | 06:16 |
| johnx | there is mypaint for maemo | 06:16 |
| Navi | the thing that annoys me the most about Colors is the lack of an undo function | 06:16 |
| briand | don't make any mistakes, then. :) | 06:16 |
| Navi | I try. | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, play safe | 06:16 |
| briand | don't we all | 06:16 |
| shackan | KotCzarny: there is, somewhat | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | usable? | 06:17 |
| shackan | google for jalimo and see yourself | 06:17 |
| freelikegnu | mypaint looks nice too | 06:19 |
| Navi | mypaint sucks after a while | 06:20 |
| johnx | memory usage? | 06:20 |
| *** Lurianic has joined #maemo | 06:21 | |
| Navi | a few general annoyances | 06:21 |
| Navi | memory usage could be one. Zoom out too much and crash. Out of memory. | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | enable swap | 06:22 |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 06:22 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | disable undo | 06:22 |
| Navi | swap's taking the 128MB that the tablet came with | 06:22 |
| Navi | and disabling undo only helps a tad | 06:22 |
| Navi | s/that/minisd that/ | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | you can have as much swap as you want | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | mkswap/swapon | 06:23 |
| *** seraph1 has joined #maemo | 06:23 | |
| Navi | I don't care :P I'm using as much as I want to use. | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | aha :P | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | you are using as much as you can | 06:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:25 |
| Navi | s/can/want/ | 06:25 |
| freelikegnu | heres the java colors! http://masscat.afraid.org/ninds/colors_ds.php | 06:26 |
| freelikegnu | gnite folks | 06:26 |
| johnx | 'night | 06:27 |
| Navi | Night | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.m90.org/gallery/image/no%20doze.jpg | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | chickens. | 06:31 |
| * Navi waits for the quake 2 base folder to copy over | 06:34 | |
| *** eber_ has joined #maemo | 06:34 | |
| *** freelikegnu is now known as _freelikegnu | 06:35 | |
| *** Luria has quit IRC | 06:36 | |
| *** Spork has quit IRC | 06:50 | |
| *** behdad has quit IRC | 06:52 | |
| *** roue has joined #maemo | 06:52 | |
| *** Pio has joined #maemo | 06:59 | |
| *** LastLemming has quit IRC | 07:00 | |
| *** roue has quit IRC | 07:00 | |
| *** christefano has joined #maemo | 07:03 | |
| *** alex-weej_ has joined #maemo | 07:04 | |
| *** Raistl|n has quit IRC | 07:10 | |
| *** jacques has quit IRC | 07:12 | |
| *** alex-weej_ has quit IRC | 07:21 | |
| *** derf has quit IRC | 07:25 | |
| *** Tama^2 has quit IRC | 07:27 | |
| *** Disconnect has quit IRC | 07:28 | |
| *** behdad has joined #maemo | 07:31 | |
| *** Lurianic is now known as Luria | 07:37 | |
| KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11824 | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 07:40 |
| *** tank-man has joined #maemo | 07:40 | |
| johnx | KotCzarny, what's funny about that? | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | 'bug that corrupted mmc while wifi being used, unfixed for a year' | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | known & unfixed for a year | 07:41 |
| johnx | it was a long time until someone tracked it down | 07:42 |
| *** Tama^2 has joined #maemo | 07:43 | |
| KotCzarny | looks like n770 was/is bugridden | 07:45 |
| johnx | Nokia didn't exactly have the best track record with it | 07:45 |
| doc|home | like trying to find a replacement stylus | 07:45 |
| * doc|home stabs | 07:45 | |
| Navi | The 770 was like a test-the-water release | 07:46 |
| johnx | doc|home, I know what you mean | 07:46 |
| * KotCzarny got back his stylus from heating apliance, hoooray! | 07:46 | |
| johnx | I gave up long ago | 07:46 |
| Navi | doc|home, heh | 07:46 |
| doc|home | I'm going to find a place and make up a batch | 07:46 |
| Navi | :D | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | now i have 2 still | 07:46 |
| doc|home | I need to find 2 first, so I can clone them (without the nokia logo of course) | 07:47 |
| doc|home | will probably be all plastic too, but better than nothing, right? | 07:47 |
| Navi | sure | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | right | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | or grow nails | 07:47 |
| doc|home | pointy ones! | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | they work well too | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | don't have to be pointy | 07:48 |
| Navi | I still want a full stainless steel stylus (sans the tip) | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | screen is sensitive enough | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | steel would damage the screen | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | [ 0.570312] Bad eraseblock 575 at 0x047e0000 | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | that's scary. | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | [ 0.664062] 0x00280000-0x00480000 : "initfs" | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | and it's located in initfs | 07:49 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, [23:43:52] <Navi> I still want a full stainless steel stylus (sans the tip) | 07:49 |
| * KotCzarny shrugs | 07:49 | |
| KotCzarny | navi: it's late | 07:49 |
| Navi | You're a vampire, why would you care? | 07:49 |
| Navi | Late is good for you. | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | bloody eyes | 07:50 |
| Navi | Bloody is right, you've been eating too many virgins. | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | only one | 07:50 |
| doc|home | Navi: I do like that idea myself, but would be expensive | 07:50 |
| doc|home | (full stainless steel) | 07:50 |
| Navi | (sans the tip) | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | steel would be heavy too | 07:50 |
| doc|home | cost more in materials and assembly | 07:51 |
| doc|home | Navi: yeah | 07:51 |
| Navi | I like a bit of weight in my hand | 07:51 |
| * doc|home waits for the penis jokes | 07:51 | |
| Navi | I'd buy one just for style | 07:52 |
| KotCzarny | penis? | 07:52 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 07:52 |
| Navi | I'd do it myself, but I don't have any equipment easily accessible to me | 07:52 |
| Navi | I used to bum off of my uncle's crap, but he moved away. | 07:53 |
| * doc|home nods | 07:53 | |
| * KotCzarny is doing discharge test | 07:53 | |
| KotCzarny | goes well | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | 20h by now | 07:55 |
| KotCzarny | with wifi on (but idle most of the time) and screen off | 07:55 |
| Navi | only six more days to go! | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | i guess it will turn itself off tomorrow | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | anyone know how to check battery level from command line? | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | any /sys interface? | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | (i'm using modified retu-adc now | 07:57 |
| KotCzarny | ) | 07:57 |
| johnx | google maemo battery status | 07:57 |
| KotCzarny | [mbm], I do find the battery status to be odd and incredibly misleading | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:58 |
| johnx | well, it's just reporting the raw data. There's not a secret source of accurate data you can get at | 07:59 |
| johnx | a lot of mobile devices with lots of fluctuations in power draw have problems estimating charge remaining | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | but still, how to do that? | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | (from console) | 07:59 |
| *** jacques has joined #maemo | 08:00 | |
| johnx | 08:00 | |
| KotCzarny | it's late | 08:00 |
| johnx | first result | 08:00 |
| johnx | you can hit I'm feeling lucky | 08:00 |
| KotCzarny | KDE Settings Recommendations? - Page 5 - Internet Tablet Talk Forums ? | 08:00 |
| KotCzarny | nvm. | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | off to sleep. | 08:04 |
| *** Tuco800 has joined #maemo | 08:10 | |
| Navi | Are any core dumps saved on the internal flash? | 08:17 |
| *** jeddy3 has joined #maemo | 08:18 | |
| *** NetBlade has joined #maemo | 08:21 | |
| *** jprieur has joined #maemo | 08:24 | |
| *** behdad has quit IRC | 08:27 | |
| *** slomo has quit IRC | 08:28 | |
| *** Disconnect has joined #maemo | 08:31 | |
| *** EruditeHermit has joined #maemo | 08:35 | |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 08:35 |
| *** hfwilke has quit IRC | 08:35 | |
| EruditeHermit | so does anyone know of any stopwatch applications? | 08:36 |
| *** derf has joined #maemo | 08:36 | |
| *** Crfrodf has joined #maemo | 08:36 | |
| Navi | stopwatch? There was one on the garage, I believe. | 08:36 |
| Navi | EruditeHermit, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/stopwatch/ | 08:38 |
| EruditeHermit | its OS2007 | 08:38 |
| EruditeHermit | tried installing it already | 08:39 |
| *** Tuco has quit IRC | 08:39 | |
| *** argonl has quit IRC | 08:40 | |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 08:42 | |
| Navi | EruditeHermit, I'll build an updated package when I get the chance | 08:43 |
| Navi | for now, just try to get a hold of the author and get him to do it | 08:43 |
| *** Crfrod has quit IRC | 08:54 | |
| *** mankod has quit IRC | 08:55 | |
| *** simon_ has quit IRC | 08:59 | |
| *** jprieur-work has joined #maemo | 09:01 | |
| *** ajturner has quit IRC | 09:02 | |
| *** Zic has joined #maemo | 09:09 | |
| *** NetBlade has quit IRC | 09:12 | |
| *** trac3r is now known as sm00th_trac3r | 09:12 | |
| *** NetBlade has joined #maemo | 09:12 | |
| *** ajturner has joined #maemo | 09:12 | |
| *** shackan has quit IRC | 09:16 | |
| *** guardian has quit IRC | 09:17 | |
| *** ajturner has quit IRC | 09:18 | |
| *** ajturner has joined #maemo | 09:19 | |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 09:28 | |
| *** rmoravcik has joined #maemo | 09:30 | |
| *** Cptnodegard has joined #maemo | 09:34 | |
| cLin | anyone know what ecore is? | 09:37 |
| *** TimRiker has quit IRC | 09:38 | |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 09:41 | |
| Tama^2 | I have a suspicion, let me check | 09:41 |
| Tama^2 | where have you encountered it? | 09:41 |
| *** L0cutus has joined #maemo | 09:42 | |
| cLin | Traceback (most recent call last): | 09:42 |
| cLin | File "/usr/bin/canola", line 18, in ? | 09:42 |
| cLin | import ecore | 09:42 |
| cLin | trying to start canola | 09:42 |
| Tama^2 | http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Ecore | 09:42 |
| Tama^2 | there you go | 09:42 |
| cLin | shouldnt it come with canola | 09:44 |
| cLin | i dont get why iwould get that error | 09:44 |
| Tama^2 | it does come with canola | 09:44 |
| cLin | hrm. | 09:45 |
| Tama^2 | uninstall/re-install time? | 09:45 |
| cLin | yep | 09:45 |
| * Navi wonders why it comes with canola | 09:46 | |
| cLin | it shouldnt? | 09:46 |
| doc|home | because canola is a decent demo of an e based app | 09:47 |
| *** ajturner has quit IRC | 09:47 | |
| Tama^2 | I wonder why with cairo and pango already supported one needs to fish 'E' out | 09:50 |
| Tama^2 | it is a serious question, is there a significant advantage? | 09:51 |
| *** kupesoft has joined #maemo | 09:51 | |
| Navi | Tama^2, to what, using E? | 09:52 |
| Tama^2 | yes, in using E | 09:52 |
| Tama^2 | over GDK, Cairo & friends | 09:52 |
| *** kupesoft has quit IRC | 09:52 | |
| Navi | Well, over all of those | 09:52 |
| *** djcb has joined #maemo | 09:53 | |
| Navi | E provides a fast-as-hell widget tookit that allows you to have nice effects on sucky hardware | 09:53 |
| Tama^2 | ok, so gtk sucks | 09:53 |
| Navi | gtk has it's place | 09:53 |
| Tama^2 | in the toilet? | 09:54 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 09:54 |
| Navi | Lol | 09:54 |
| Tama^2 | I used GTK in the past and never used E | 09:54 |
| Navi | Seriously though, E17 runs great on older hardware and still manages to look excelent | 09:54 |
| *** seraph1 has quit IRC | 09:54 | |
| * doc|home is using E17 right now, nice | 09:54 | |
| Navi | I'm using it right now, but not for any of the fancy effects | 09:55 |
| Navi | I don't really care for them >_> | 09:55 |
| Tama^2 | but considering that the system UI flickers and behaves like a drunken monkey and that the only decently looking media player on the platform uses a different toolkit I am starting to wonder... | 09:55 |
| Navi | Considering E17 is the Duke Nukem Forever of the WM world, I wouldn't worry too much about it | 09:57 |
| Navi | Besides, what UI flickering? | 09:58 |
| Navi | Doesn't flicker for me >_> | 09:58 |
| *** naba has quit IRC | 09:58 | |
| Tama^2 | doesn't it flicker when the notification popups appear? | 09:59 |
| Tama^2 | or when dialogs adjust their size? | 09:59 |
| Tama^2 | I can see them redrawing | 09:59 |
| Navi | notification popups? | 10:00 |
| Tama^2 | mmmm | 10:00 |
| Tama^2 | the "updating" bubble coming up on the upper right corner | 10:00 |
| Navi | No, not for me :/ | 10:01 |
| *** BTobotras has joined #maemo | 10:01 | |
| Tama^2 | you are telling me that you do not see half drawn dialogs for a split second on your n800? | 10:02 |
| Tama^2 | >.< | 10:02 |
| johnx | Tama^2, I know what you mean. the window rectangle is drawn before the pixmaps I think | 10:02 |
| johnx | is that what it looks like to you? | 10:02 |
| * johnx wonders why they went with a pixmap theme engine... | 10:03 | |
| Tama^2 | the pixmaps as well as text | 10:03 |
| *** Zenton has quit IRC | 10:03 | |
| *** sKaBoy has joined #maemo | 10:04 | |
| johnx | no way around text, but why pixmaps? X| | 10:04 |
| Navi | I'm out for the night | 10:05 |
| johnx | 'night | 10:05 |
| *** Zenton has joined #maemo | 10:06 | |
| Tama^2 | night | 10:06 |
| Tama^2 | what do you mean "no way around text"? | 10:07 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 10:07 |
| Navi | You can use pixmaps instead of text! | 10:07 |
| johnx | I mean, text is slow to render and kind of a necessity | 10:08 |
| *** argnel has quit IRC | 10:08 | |
| *** argnel has joined #maemo | 10:08 | |
| johnx | pixmap gtk themes, not so much | 10:08 |
| Tama^2 | but one can freeze the whole window, update text and thaw it, right? | 10:09 |
| Tama^2 | shouldn't that fix the flickering? | 10:09 |
| *** Navi has quit IRC | 10:10 | |
| *** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC | 10:11 | |
| *** simon_ has joined #maemo | 10:11 | |
| *** ttmrichter has joined #maemo | 10:12 | |
| johnx | dunno | 10:13 |
| *** mk8 has joined #maemo | 10:15 | |
| *** Stskeeps has joined #maemo | 10:15 | |
| *** T0botras has quit IRC | 10:19 | |
| *** T0botras has joined #maemo | 10:19 | |
| *** Luria has quit IRC | 10:20 | |
| *** BTobotras has quit IRC | 10:24 | |
| *** sergio_ has joined #maemo | 10:27 | |
| *** _berto_ has joined #maemo | 10:31 | |
| *** hugolp has joined #maemo | 10:31 | |
| *** ab has joined #maemo | 10:32 | |
| *** sbodo_w has joined #maemo | 10:39 | |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 10:40 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:41 |
| *** zedstar has quit IRC | 10:41 | |
| *** djcb has quit IRC | 10:43 | |
| *** steri has joined #maemo | 10:46 | |
| *** ch4os_ has quit IRC | 10:50 | |
| *** mbuf has joined #maemo | 10:50 | |
| mbuf | what needs to be installed in maemo 3.x scratchbox to use pygtk? | 10:50 |
| mbuf | libgtk2.0-dev is installed; python, python2.3 are already available | 10:51 |
| *** Crfrod has joined #maemo | 10:51 | |
| johnx | I think, something like python2.x-gtk2 | 10:52 |
| mbuf | johnx, i need to add anything to repos? | 10:53 |
| johnx | I honestly don't know for maemo 3.x | 10:53 |
| johnx | apt-cache search python gtk2 | 10:53 |
| mbuf | johnx, apt-cache search python only returns python, python2.3, python2.3-tk, python2.3-dev, libxml2-dbg, idle-python2.3 | 10:53 |
| johnx | then yes | 10:54 |
| johnx | maybe maemo extras? | 10:54 |
| johnx | is there any reason in particular you're still using maemo 3.x? | 10:54 |
| mbuf | johnx, have N800; and this build is quite old, so still using it | 10:55 |
| mbuf | johnx, can chinook be used for N800? | 10:55 |
| johnx | yes, of course :) | 10:55 |
| mbuf | johnx, i see | 10:55 |
| johnx | the N810 and the N800 are basically the same hardware | 10:55 |
| mbuf | johnx, but, GPS is additional in N810 | 10:55 |
| johnx | yes, but that's fairly minor | 10:56 |
| johnx | I have an N800 running OS2008 and scratchbox with chinook | 10:56 |
| *** mbuf has quit IRC | 10:56 | |
| *** EruditeHermit has quit IRC | 10:57 | |
| *** hrw|gone is now known as hrw | 10:58 | |
| *** Crfrodf has quit IRC | 10:59 | |
| *** Crfrodf has joined #maemo | 11:00 | |
| hrw | morning | 11:01 |
| *** kwa has quit IRC | 11:06 | |
| *** ssvb has joined #maemo | 11:12 | |
| *** mbuf has joined #maemo | 11:14 | |
| *** Crfrod has quit IRC | 11:18 | |
| *** Crfrod has joined #maemo | 11:18 | |
| *** ramo102 has joined #maemo | 11:18 | |
| *** Crfrodf has quit IRC | 11:21 | |
| *** _collin_ has joined #maemo | 11:22 | |
| *** Tama^2 has quit IRC | 11:23 | |
| *** Tama^2 has joined #maemo | 11:24 | |
| *** Dar has joined #maemo | 11:28 | |
| *** pvanhoof has joined #maemo | 11:28 | |
| *** barisione has joined #maemo | 11:32 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 11:36 | |
| *** Koshi has quit IRC | 11:37 | |
| *** calvaris has joined #maemo | 11:40 | |
| *** msanchez has joined #maemo | 11:40 | |
| *** mbuf has quit IRC | 11:41 | |
| *** johnx has quit IRC | 11:42 | |
| *** v-vN800 has joined #maemo | 11:47 | |
| *** fab has joined #maemo | 11:47 | |
| b0unc3 | good morning | 11:52 |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 11:57 | |
| *** trbs has joined #maemo | 11:57 | |
| *** giskard has quit IRC | 11:57 | |
| *** beavis has joined #maemo | 12:01 | |
| *** mbuf has joined #maemo | 12:02 | |
| *** sp3000 has joined #maemo | 12:03 | |
| *** eton has quit IRC | 12:09 | |
| *** rtp has joined #maemo | 12:09 | |
| *** v-vN800 has quit IRC | 12:14 | |
| *** Tobotras has quit IRC | 12:15 | |
| *** Tobotras has joined #maemo | 12:17 | |
| *** red-zack has quit IRC | 12:18 | |
| *** giskard has joined #maemo | 12:20 | |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 12:22 | |
| *** daba5 has joined #maemo | 12:22 | |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| *** setanta has joined #maemo | 12:23 | |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| daba5 | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ | 12:23 |
| florian | good morning | 12:23 |
| *** daba5 has quit IRC | 12:23 | |
| *** mbuf has quit IRC | 12:24 | |
| *** mbuf has joined #maemo | 12:24 | |
| *** Cptnodegard has quit IRC | 12:25 | |
| *** L0cutus has quit IRC | 12:25 | |
| *** Koshi has joined #Maemo | 12:32 | |
| *** murrayc_ has joined #maemo | 12:35 | |
| *** L0cutus has joined #maemo | 12:36 | |
| Tama^2 | morning | 12:43 |
| onion | is there some RightWay(tm) to listen to headphone button events? | 12:44 |
| Tama^2 | if there is I do not know it | 12:44 |
| Tama^2 | but I think it must be a dbus event | 12:44 |
| *** zwnj has joined #maemo | 12:44 | |
| onion | yes, I see messages on dbus | 12:45 |
| onion | and hal reports events too.. | 12:45 |
| onion | just wondering if there is some standard that should be used | 12:45 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 12:48 | |
| *** mgedmin has joined #maemo | 12:51 | |
| *** massoud_ has joined #maemo | 12:57 | |
| *** infobot has quit IRC | 12:58 | |
| *** infobot has joined #maemo | 13:00 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 13:00 | |
| *** Koshi has quit IRC | 13:00 | |
| *** mbuf has quit IRC | 13:01 | |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 13:01 | |
| *** luizirber has joined #maemo | 13:01 | |
| *** mbuf has joined #maemo | 13:06 | |
| *** _berto_ has quit IRC | 13:06 | |
| mbuf | pygtk is available in haf? what is the sources.list apt entry for it? | 13:06 |
| *** sergio_ has quit IRC | 13:07 | |
| *** MoRpHeUz has joined #maemo | 13:09 | |
| mbuf | ok, had to use, deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free | 13:11 |
| *** zwn1 has joined #maemo | 13:17 | |
| hrw | hmm... lack of python in maemo? | 13:18 |
| *** blafasel is now known as Blafasel | 13:33 | |
| *** mbuf has quit IRC | 13:34 | |
| *** cmarcelo has joined #maemo | 13:37 | |
| *** massoud_ has quit IRC | 13:41 | |
| *** massoud has joined #maemo | 13:42 | |
| *** admin_ has joined #maemo | 13:46 | |
| admin_ | Hey, just wondering abut this. I use my n770 at school, but if I try to get on one of the wifi nets, it'll try, and then say Network Error. It's a completely open network, and my friend with a PSP can get on and surf fine. Any ideas? | 13:47 |
| *** geaaru_ has joined #maemo | 13:49 | |
| *** fsmw has joined #maemo | 13:51 | |
| *** krau has joined #maemo | 13:52 | |
| admin_ | Any ideas? | 13:53 |
| aquatix | do you have xterm on it? | 13:55 |
| *** Ryback_ has quit IRC | 13:55 | |
| aquatix | not sure, but maybe there's iwconfig on it, with which you can see some info | 13:55 |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 13:56 | |
| admin_ | yes I do | 13:56 |
| admin_ | (have xterm) | 13:56 |
| admin_ | It's weird, I can connect to my home net and stuff. In the beginning of the year, I was trying the same thing, I remember I got on , but that had to do with some weird DNS settings tht the router had, although this is a network where you'd normally log into | 13:57 |
| aquatix | ah | 13:58 |
| admin_ | (I can login , if I needed to, but a friend can get it without loggin in on his PSP, so) | 13:58 |
| aquatix | does it use radius? | 13:58 |
| aquatix | hm | 13:58 |
| admin_ | I'm not familiar with what that is | 13:58 |
| admin_ | it's a linksys router, prolly wrt54g | 13:58 |
| *** matthias_ has quit IRC | 13:58 | |
| *** pupnik_ has joined #maemo | 13:58 | |
| aquatix | but normally you have to login on the network | 13:59 |
| aquatix | how exactly? | 13:59 |
| *** lmoura has joined #maemo | 13:59 | |
| admin_ | well, they have their win boxes, you know, win network logon, login/password | 13:59 |
| aquatix | ah, k | 13:59 |
| aquatix | i thought maybe some authentication for the wifi itself | 13:59 |
| admin_ | naaa, it's an open network if that's what you mean | 14:00 |
| aquatix | that's why i mentioned radius [that's some authentication server for wifi] | 14:00 |
| aquatix | ok | 14:00 |
| aquatix | odd | 14:00 |
| admin_ | yeah, it just makes no sense, when a PSP can getit :P | 14:00 |
| aquatix | the psp also gets IP and such? | 14:00 |
| admin_ | yes | 14:01 |
| admin_ | it can roam on the web | 14:01 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 14:01 | |
| *** johnx has joined #maemo | 14:02 | |
| *** geaaru__ has joined #maemo | 14:02 | |
| *** BTobotras has joined #maemo | 14:02 | |
| admin_ | any ideas? I'm about to leave for school , aquatix :P | 14:02 |
| aquatix | nope :( | 14:02 |
| aquatix | it should Just Work(tm) imho | 14:03 |
| admin_ | ok, thanks :P' | 14:03 |
| admin_ | haha | 14:03 |
| aquatix | but apparently it doesn't | 14:03 |
| admin_ | seeya | 14:03 |
| aquatix | ok, hf | 14:03 |
| *** admin_ has left #maemo | 14:03 | |
| *** lmoura has quit IRC | 14:04 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 14:05 | |
| *** luck^ has joined #maemo | 14:06 | |
| *** seraph1 has joined #maemo | 14:06 | |
| *** lmoura has joined #maemo | 14:07 | |
| *** _matthias_ has joined #maemo | 14:09 | |
| *** pupnik has quit IRC | 14:09 | |
| *** SDuensin has quit IRC | 14:14 | |
| *** k-s has quit IRC | 14:14 | |
| *** geaaru_ has quit IRC | 14:14 | |
| *** felipec has joined #maemo | 14:15 | |
| *** AD-N770 has joined #maemo | 14:15 | |
| *** DaniloCesar has joined #maemo | 14:18 | |
| *** T0botras has quit IRC | 14:20 | |
| *** AD-N770 has quit IRC | 14:21 | |
| *** birunko has joined #maemo | 14:22 | |
| *** hrw is now known as hrw|gone | 14:23 | |
| *** jegp has joined #maemo | 14:24 | |
| *** DaniloCesar has quit IRC | 14:28 | |
| *** jpuderer has joined #maemo | 14:28 | |
| *** ijon_ has quit IRC | 14:32 | |
| *** ijon_ has joined #maemo | 14:32 | |
| *** aloisiojr has quit IRC | 14:36 | |
| *** aloisiojr has joined #maemo | 14:37 | |
| *** DaniloCesar has joined #maemo | 14:38 | |
| *** renatofilho^ has joined #maemo | 14:39 | |
| *** kenne has joined #maemo | 14:41 | |
| *** lsobral has joined #maemo | 14:46 | |
| *** vivijim has joined #maemo | 14:46 | |
| *** MangoFusion has joined #maemo | 14:49 | |
| *** massoud_ has joined #maemo | 14:52 | |
| *** massoud has quit IRC | 14:52 | |
| *** massoud has joined #maemo | 14:53 | |
| *** henrique has joined #maemo | 14:54 | |
| *** steri has quit IRC | 14:57 | |
| *** hein2 has joined #maemo | 14:57 | |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 14:57 | |
| *** fcarvalho has joined #maemo | 14:57 | |
| *** christefano has quit IRC | 14:58 | |
| *** hein2 is now known as Sho_ | 14:58 | |
| *** k-s has joined #maemo | 15:05 | |
| *** vcgomes has joined #maemo | 15:05 | |
| *** Ryback_ has joined #maemo | 15:07 | |
| *** argnel has quit IRC | 15:08 | |
| *** argnel has joined #maemo | 15:08 | |
| *** behdad has joined #maemo | 15:11 | |
| rafl | i wonder why the firmware flashing wiki page says that the battery should be fully charged before flashing | 15:12 |
| *** msanchez has quit IRC | 15:12 | |
| johnx | because it would really suck a lot if you ran out of batter power while flashing | 15:12 |
| *** Vudentz__ has joined #maemo | 15:13 | |
| rafl | johnx: it says that you should plug in the charger during flashing anyway. | 15:14 |
| johnx | hmm...I wonder if it's actually able to charge while flashing | 15:15 |
| *** sergio_ has joined #maemo | 15:15 | |
| johnx | probably just one of those cases of "better safe than sorry" | 15:15 |
| rafl | i see | 15:15 |
| rafl | thanks. | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can, johnx. | 15:18 |
| johnx | but the user can also pull the cord in the middle of the flash, and it definitely doesn't have a check to see if you have the cord plugged in | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or the power could go out. | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | etc, etc | 15:21 |
| johnx | it's interesting that it doesn't force you to have the AC plugged int though | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | More complicated than it's worth. | 15:23 |
| johnx | I suppose. it would suck a lot of it died while nolo was flashing though | 15:24 |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 15:24 | |
| johnx | s/of it/of something bad if it/g | 15:24 |
| infobot | johnx meant: I suppose. it would suck a lot of something bad if it died while nolo was flashing though | 15:24 |
| *** astro76 has quit IRC | 15:26 | |
| *** andrunko has joined #maemo | 15:30 | |
| *** Tuco has joined #maemo | 15:32 | |
| *** geaaru_ has joined #maemo | 15:35 | |
| *** zeenix has quit IRC | 15:39 | |
| *** hugolp has quit IRC | 15:39 | |
| *** mb___ has joined #maemo | 15:41 | |
| *** astro76 has joined #maemo | 15:45 | |
| *** shackan has joined #maemo | 15:46 | |
| *** Masca has quit IRC | 15:47 | |
| johnx | tonight's hack: hildon desktop on a zaurus :) | 15:50 |
| *** seraph1 has quit IRC | 15:50 | |
| glass | heh | 15:50 |
| *** geaaru__ has quit IRC | 15:51 | |
| johnx | I need to lose the left "navigation bar" bar, but I never liked it anyways | 15:51 |
| briand | johnx: sounds easier than my task... | 15:53 |
| johnx | what are you up to? | 15:53 |
| briand | I finished installing the SDK/dev kit on my FC5 box... | 15:53 |
| briand | ...but cannot find/install Xephyr for fc5... so I'm (trying to) upgrade that box t FC8... and the install/upgrade process keeps getting stuck. :/ | 15:54 |
| *** tjafk2 has joined #maemo | 15:54 | |
| *** barisione has quit IRC | 15:54 | |
| johnx | I've never had good luck with redhat system upgrades | 15:54 |
| johnx | did you try to go straight from 5 to 8? | 15:54 |
| *** barisione has joined #maemo | 15:55 | |
| johnx | that's a lot of numbers... | 15:55 |
| *** Tama^2 has quit IRC | 15:55 | |
| briand | supposedly, it's not a problem... | 15:56 |
| briand | but I think there's an issue with this particular hardware... | 15:56 |
| johnx | I sympathize with the you in regards to troublesome hardware :/ | 15:56 |
| briand | I had trouble with it before (3 -> 4, 4 -> 5), too. I can't remember exactly what I had to do to get around it... | 15:57 |
| *** angrymike_ has joined #maemo | 15:57 | |
| briand | "nodma" something or other?? :shrug: | 15:57 |
| johnx | I just need to stop cheaping out on hardware | 15:57 |
| johnx | I always do this to myself | 15:57 |
| *** mwaldron has joined #maemo | 16:00 | |
| *** etrunko has joined #maemo | 16:00 | |
| *** felipec has quit IRC | 16:02 | |
| *** Crfrodf has joined #maemo | 16:06 | |
| hahlo | is there something wrong with pidgin? didn't see what others write in irc, they saw my writings | 16:07 |
| johnx | I know not everyone likes it but I think it at least works for other people | 16:07 |
| hahlo | it should work in irc then? | 16:08 |
| johnx | I think so | 16:08 |
| hahlo | there isn't irssi for 2008 anywhere? | 16:10 |
| *** Crfrod has quit IRC | 16:11 | |
| johnx | hahlo, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16659&highlight=irssi | 16:11 |
| *** tjafk1 has quit IRC | 16:11 | |
| *** playya__ has joined #maemo | 16:11 | |
| briand | i've never used it for irc... works for me okay on aim/yahoo IM, though | 16:11 |
| johnx | there's also rtcomm irc and xchat | 16:11 |
| briand | johnx: i think the repo is broken for xchat... i couldn't install it | 16:12 |
| *** ajturner has joined #maemo | 16:12 | |
| hahlo | good, irssi is my favorite | 16:12 |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 16:13 | |
| *** mazzen has joined #maemo | 16:13 | |
| *** pupnik_ is now known as pupnik | 16:14 | |
| *** hugolp has joined #maemo | 16:14 | |
| *** jamey has joined #maemo | 16:14 | |
| *** kaie has joined #maemo | 16:15 | |
| *** playya__ is now known as playya | 16:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | briand, there is no repo. | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 16:15 |
| briand | GeneralAntilles: there are several repos! ;) | 16:16 |
| *** hrw|gone is now known as hrw | 16:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | s/repo/xchat repo/ | 16:16 |
| briand | ...and, one of them contains xchat, because it shows up in my application mangler. | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be Bora Extras. | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/repo/spoon/ | 16:17 |
| briand | ...my life is measured out in coffee spoons... | 16:17 |
| johnx | mmm...coffee | 16:18 |
| *** mgedmin has quit IRC | 16:18 | |
| *** chenca has joined #maemo | 16:18 | |
| *** Tuco has quit IRC | 16:18 | |
| *** Tuco800 has quit IRC | 16:22 | |
| *** herz1 has quit IRC | 16:27 | |
| *** robtaylo1 is now known as robtaylor | 16:28 | |
| *** Blain has joined #maemo | 16:29 | |
| *** ajturner has quit IRC | 16:29 | |
| *** lubyou has joined #maemo | 16:30 | |
| *** playya has quit IRC | 16:30 | |
| *** playya has joined #maemo | 16:31 | |
| *** geaaru_ has quit IRC | 16:31 | |
| *** playya has quit IRC | 16:31 | |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 16:32 | |
| *** calvaris has quit IRC | 16:33 | |
| *** _berto_ has joined #maemo | 16:34 | |
| *** netx has quit IRC | 16:36 | |
| * johnx sleeps | 16:36 | |
| *** SDuensin has joined #Maemo | 16:37 | |
| *** ijon_ has quit IRC | 16:38 | |
| *** ijon_ has joined #maemo | 16:39 | |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:40 |
| *** jott has quit IRC | 16:40 | |
| *** jott has joined #maemo | 16:40 | |
| *** kaie2 has joined #maemo | 16:43 | |
| *** NickDe has joined #maemo | 16:43 | |
| *** Blain has quit IRC | 16:44 | |
| *** playya has joined #maemo | 16:48 | |
| *** hfwilke has joined #maemo | 16:53 | |
| *** krau has quit IRC | 16:54 | |
| *** Zword has quit IRC | 16:55 | |
| *** eton has joined #maemo | 16:55 | |
| *** playya has quit IRC | 16:56 | |
| *** playya has joined #maemo | 16:56 | |
| *** playya has quit IRC | 16:56 | |
| *** Zword has joined #maemo | 16:59 | |
| briand | well, this "upgrade" thing just isn't working, and I'm getting increasingly annoyed at trying it... | 16:59 |
| briand | so, can anybody help me get Xephyr installed on a Fedora Core 5 installation, since I can't get the machine upgraded to Fedora Core 8 ? | 17:00 |
| tank-man | i'm having trouble with xephyr too, i think im going to try downloading the vmware image instead | 17:01 |
| briand | the only "trouble" I'm having with xephyr is "finding it" | 17:02 |
| tank-man | its part of xorg | 17:03 |
| *** kaie has quit IRC | 17:03 | |
| tank-man | i know on slackware, its not built in slackware | 17:03 |
| *** msanchez has joined #maemo | 17:05 | |
| *** NetBlade has quit IRC | 17:05 | |
| briand | apparently, it's not in the Fedora Core 5 repositories | 17:07 |
| briand | i've seen references on the web to it being in the FC7 (and presumably, FC8) repositories, but I'm having no luck upgrading that box to FC8, so... | 17:08 |
| *** henrique is now known as henrique-lunch | 17:08 | |
| *** kaie2 has quit IRC | 17:10 | |
| *** VimSi has quit IRC | 17:11 | |
| *** playya has joined #maemo | 17:12 | |
| jeddy3 | my n800 has been completely lifeless since saturday...any suggestions? | 17:13 |
| *** kaie has joined #maemo | 17:13 | |
| jeddy3 | today i'm trying to remove the battery for 12 hours or something | 17:14 |
| *** VimSi has joined #maemo | 17:15 | |
| hrw | is there some kind of list which maemo components are open and which are not? | 17:20 |
| pupnik | jeddy3 - removing battery for several hours, then warming slightly is said to allow a restart | 17:20 |
| jeddy3 | pupnik, _warming?_ | 17:21 |
| jeddy3 | :) | 17:21 |
| pupnik | this is just hearsay | 17:21 |
| jeddy3 | :D | 17:21 |
| Spakman_ | I can set program defaults by editing /usr/share/applications/defaults.list - is there a way to do this without root privs? I'd like my application to give users the option to set the default application. | 17:22 |
| * jeddy3 is gonna fire up the sauna and bring the n800 | 17:22 | |
| *** mazzen has quit IRC | 17:22 | |
| *** simon_ has quit IRC | 17:23 | |
| *** sbaturzio has joined #maemo | 17:23 | |
| *** fr01 has left #maemo | 17:27 | |
| pupnik | is there an easy/safe way to prune /usr/share/locale? 14.2 MB of stuff in there | 17:27 |
| *** fr01 has joined #maemo | 17:28 | |
| *** roue has joined #maemo | 17:28 | |
| pupnik | osso-help also has 8 MB of stuff i don't need | 17:28 |
| *** Cptnodegard has joined #maemo | 17:30 | |
| hrw | pupnik: debian has localepurge package for it | 17:30 |
| *** mankod has joined #maemo | 17:30 | |
| hrw | pupnik: or you can remove all not needed locales by hand | 17:30 |
| *** jprieur-work has quit IRC | 17:31 | |
| *** zumbi_ has joined #maemo | 17:32 | |
| *** Crfrod has joined #maemo | 17:33 | |
| *** blahdeblah has quit IRC | 17:34 | |
| *** blahdeblah has joined #maemo | 17:34 | |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 17:35 | |
| *** mazzen has joined #maemo | 17:38 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 17:39 | |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 17:39 | |
| *** shackan has quit IRC | 17:39 | |
| *** ab has quit IRC | 17:40 | |
| *** zumbi has quit IRC | 17:43 | |
| *** jeddy3 has quit IRC | 17:44 | |
| *** XATRIX has joined #maemo | 17:44 | |
| *** Crfrodf has quit IRC | 17:47 | |
| *** Zword has quit IRC | 17:47 | |
| *** jacques has quit IRC | 17:50 | |
| pupnik | thanks hrw - i used to just rm -r the unneeded ones, but do you know if something needs to be re-indexed after that? | 17:50 |
| hrw | rather nothing | 17:51 |
| pupnik | k thanks | 17:58 |
| *** celesteh has joined #maemo | 18:01 | |
| *** celesteh has left #maemo | 18:01 | |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 18:01 |
| *** Tobotras has quit IRC | 18:02 | |
| *** playya_ has joined #maemo | 18:02 | |
| *** TimRiker has joined #maemo | 18:03 | |
| *** Tobotras has joined #maemo | 18:03 | |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 18:04 | |
| *** Crfrodf has joined #maemo | 18:10 | |
| *** LastLemming has joined #maemo | 18:11 | |
| *** desertc has joined #maemo | 18:14 | |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 18:14 | |
| *** simon_ has joined #maemo | 18:14 | |
| desertc | Anyone around the Nashville area? | 18:14 |
| desertc | Looking for a presenter for a Linux User Group on the topic of Maemo. | 18:15 |
| *** niteOwl has quit IRC | 18:16 | |
| pupnik | desertc: tried internettablettalk.com forums? | 18:16 |
| desertc | I'll check there, thanks. | 18:16 |
| *** niteOwl has joined #maemo | 18:17 | |
| desertc | You think I should post in the Developers forum? | 18:17 |
| *** playya has quit IRC | 18:17 | |
| pupnik | i guess so, or in general | 18:18 |
| pupnik | you want a user-side intro or an intro to maemo development...? | 18:18 |
| *** DaniloCesar has quit IRC | 18:18 | |
| KotCzarny | 11:13:40 up 1 day, 7:41, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 | 18:19 |
| desertc | I was thinking Intro to Portable Programming, Why Maemo is Best UI for Portables, My Experiences with Maemo | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | not bad | 18:19 |
| hrw | desertc: Best? Good | 18:19 |
| desertc | Sure | 18:20 |
| hrw | I mean: it is not best ui. It is good ui | 18:20 |
| *** _matthias_ has quit IRC | 18:20 | |
| desertc | Yeap, I understand. I'm not picky. | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:20 |
| * aquatix has an update of almost 2 days with a load average of 0.00 ;) | 18:20 | |
| Proteous | don't belive him, he picks the onions off of his pizza | 18:21 |
| aquatix | but i haven't done anything on it for over an hour | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: my battery test is still running | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | and watching retu-adc value | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | s | 18:21 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | i guess on n800 battery voltage is field #6 not #2 as on 770 | 18:22 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png | 18:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:22 |
| aquatix | whoa, wtf: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/eyes-on-asus-first-gaming-desktop-ares-cg6150/ | 18:22 |
| aquatix | </oftopic> | 18:22 |
| pupnik | looking at mencoder here - looks like lavc has way more useful options than xvid | 18:23 |
| aquatix | interesting graph | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | nice case | 18:23 |
| hrw | pupnik: lavc has lot of stuff inside | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: it would be nice to know what are the meaning of those fields | 18:23 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: can you spell Transformer? ;) | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | 1 & 4 looks like a temperature | 18:24 |
| *** roue has quit IRC | 18:24 | |
| aquatix | 4? it's quite a straight line | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 18:24 |
| aquatix | maybe more a cpu voltage line or something? | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | i meant red and blue | 18:25 |
| aquatix | ah, right | 18:25 |
| aquatix | they are related indeed | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | probably 0 1 and 2 are temperatures | 18:26 |
| aquatix | case and cpu temp or something | 18:26 |
| * aquatix goes home | 18:26 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:26 |
| *** Tuco800 has joined #maemo | 18:26 | |
| *** cLin has quit IRC | 18:27 | |
| *** Tuco800 has quit IRC | 18:27 | |
| *** Zenton has quit IRC | 18:28 | |
| pupnik | hrw: do you know if lavc can make use of two-pass .log data? or does lavc encoder do lookahead for motion-compensation ? | 18:28 |
| *** Crfrod has quit IRC | 18:28 | |
| hrw | pupnik: iirc it make use of it | 18:28 |
| *** trickie has quit IRC | 18:28 | |
| hrw | it is long time since I did video conversion | 18:28 |
| *** jegp has left #maemo | 18:28 | |
| *** jpuderer has quit IRC | 18:29 | |
| *** Zenton has joined #maemo | 18:29 | |
| pupnik | cool. I'm a big fan of throwing-away info from dark regions, and lowering quality at screen edges :) | 18:30 |
| pupnik | ah yes it does support two-pass | 18:30 |
| pupnik | gonna crunch this movie to sub-300MB without serious degradation :) | 18:31 |
| KotCzarny | pf | 18:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:31 |
| KotCzarny | just downscale it ;) | 18:31 |
| pupnik | there's a lot of black | 18:31 |
| pupnik | i have to downscale anyway | 18:31 |
| hrw | btw - I wonder which software people miss most in maemo repositories | 18:32 |
| KotCzarny | games? | 18:32 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:32 |
| hrw | hm. doom or quake on n810 should be playable ;D | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | ja2 too | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:33 |
| ccooke | hrw: ... except for the controls :-) | 18:35 |
| hrw | ccooke: indeed | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | external mouse&kb ? | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:35 |
| hrw | I even have spare ones | 18:38 |
| hrw | but would need usb host cable first | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | bt? | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:39 |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 18:40 | |
| *** pH5 has joined #maemo | 18:41 | |
| hrw | hi pH5 | 18:42 |
| pH5 | hej hrw | 18:43 |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 18:43 | |
| *** luizirber has quit IRC | 18:43 | |
| pupnik | think i should be using vorbis to transcode - if ssvb is making a faster vfp vorbis decoder? | 18:43 |
| pupnik | ogg/audio | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | test it | 18:44 |
| lopz | hi | 18:44 |
| *** DaniloCesar has joined #maemo | 18:47 | |
| *** desertc has left #maemo | 18:47 | |
| *** Koshi has joined #Maemo | 18:49 | |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 18:50 | |
| *** krau has joined #maemo | 18:50 | |
| ssvb | pupnik: it is too early to , in addition vorbis can' | 18:50 |
| *** jpuderer has joined #maemo | 18:51 | |
| ssvb | pupnik: sorry, messed up the message, I mean it may take a long time to optimize and vorbis is not supported in avi files | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:51 |
| pupnik | oh mencoder let me put vorbis in just now | 18:52 |
| hrw | ssvb: avi is just contener | 18:52 |
| pupnik | (?) | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | 'container' | 18:52 |
| hrw | it can contain anything inside | 18:52 |
| pupnik | i mean ogg audio (lavc) | 18:52 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: right | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, try mpeg2 ? | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | it can scale quite smoothly | 18:52 |
| pupnik | lol | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | mpeg2video | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | that is | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | and in the bonus you can make svcd of it later ;) | 18:53 |
| pupnik | yes i like watching blocky chunky video with no motion compensation | 18:53 |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 18:53 | |
| pupnik | --- not | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | it has 225dpi screen | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | you won't see much blocks | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:54 |
| ssvb | hrw, pupnik: probably derf can explain better, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats (vorbis is problematic comment) | 18:54 |
| *** playya_ has quit IRC | 18:55 | |
| hrw | my favorite container was IFF years ago | 18:55 |
| *** sbodo_w has quit IRC | 18:55 | |
| *** playya has joined #maemo | 18:56 | |
| pupnik | well playback of the vorbis at 128kb sounds very bad right now for some reason so maybe i stick with mp3 instead - thanks ssvb | 18:56 |
| *** jprieur_ has joined #maemo | 18:57 | |
| *** Zenton has quit IRC | 18:57 | |
| KotCzarny | also if gst issues will get fixed | 18:57 |
| pupnik | btw adding noise on playback is fun :) reduces banding | 18:57 |
| *** rmoravcik has quit IRC | 18:57 | |
| KotCzarny | youu will want mp3/aac anyway | 18:57 |
| pupnik | good poitn | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | unless someone writes dsp code to decode vorbis | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:58 |
| ssvb | pupnik: btw, thanks for noticing that esd is initialized for 44.1KHz and audio is actually decoded at 48KHz, this explains extra cpu usage - mplayer is resampling audio | 18:58 |
| *** IRSeekBot has quit IRC | 18:58 | |
| pupnik | you're welcome! | 19:00 |
| pH5 | where is lardman btw? | 19:00 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: lardman has been working on it, see his project: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-tremor/ | 19:00 |
| *** Zenton has joined #maemo | 19:00 | |
| KotCzarny | pre-alpha :/ | 19:00 |
| hrw | I wonder when esound will finally stop being used | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:01 |
| *** IRSeekBot has joined #maemo | 19:01 | |
| KotCzarny | would it be hard to write dsp mixing code for gst? | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | that would replace esd | 19:01 |
| *** ajturner has joined #maemo | 19:02 | |
| ssvb | pupnik: I experimented with esd at 48KHz, but it is unreliable when changing volume, it deadlocks sometimes | 19:02 |
| pupnik | so .. just use -ao sdl to avoid resampling? | 19:03 |
| *** sKaBoy has quit IRC | 19:04 | |
| ssvb | pupnik: we did not have this problem before as mplayer also changed audio volume itself 'in software' without using esd api for this | 19:04 |
| *** Masca has joined #maemo | 19:04 | |
| *** felipec has joined #maemo | 19:04 | |
| *** pH5_ has joined #maemo | 19:05 | |
| ssvb | pupnik: I think I will find more or less reliable and fast solution for sound | 19:05 |
| ssvb | pupnik: sdl has lipsync problems :) | 19:05 |
| *** pH5 has quit IRC | 19:05 | |
| KotCzarny | dspsink? | 19:05 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:05 |
| *** pH5_ is now known as pH5 | 19:05 | |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: dsptask :) | 19:05 |
| pupnik | i wonder if the dsp could handle mp3 decoding while running at a lower clockrate? | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: yes | 19:06 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: 'sink' is a gstreamer thing | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: so is it possible to mplayer use dsptask directly? | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | without need for gst? | 19:06 |
| *** sbaturzio has quit IRC | 19:07 | |
| KotCzarny | or esd/sdl in that matter | 19:07 |
| ssvb | pupnik: yes, it can, there was a report in maemo-developers list | 19:07 |
| pupnik | good news :) | 19:07 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: you'd basically have to recreate the code in dspaudio.c from gst-plugins-dsp | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | but maybe it will resolve sync problems? | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | or they come from dsptask not from gst implementation? | 19:08 |
| *** fab_away has joined #maemo | 19:09 | |
| KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95363&postcount=10 | 19:09 |
| ssvb | pupnik: bad news is that nokia apparently is not going to officially support 400/133 mode for working with dynamic dsp tasks | 19:09 |
| ssvb | pupnik: let me find a link | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb, wasn't there a patch? | 19:09 |
| pupnik | is it a problem with power supply? | 19:10 |
| *** Zetx has quit IRC | 19:10 | |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: is this patch clean? | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb, i have yet to flash my device.. | 19:10 |
| *** xdemon has joined #maemo | 19:10 | |
| *** fab_away is now known as fab | 19:10 | |
| KotCzarny | i'm rather reluctant because i tend to fsck up those kind of things on the first try ;) | 19:11 |
| xdemon | hi all! | 19:11 |
| xdemon | is it possible to install dpkgs on memory card? OS2008, 51-3 | 19:11 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: for any patch to get accepted upstream, it must not to introduce any regressions | 19:11 |
| *** pleemans has joined #maemo | 19:11 | |
| KotCzarny | xdamon: just move your whole sys to mmc | 19:12 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: for example, did you check that VOIP works reliably with lower DSP clock frequency? | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: it was configurable via /proc setting afair | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | so one could switch modes on will | 19:12 |
| xdemon | KotCzarny: its possible? | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | xdemon: look for the howto for booting from mmc | 19:13 |
| xdemon | oh, ok | 19:13 |
| pupnik | xdemon: you can also symlink directories to your data card | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | yes, for example whole /usr | 19:14 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: who would be the one? internet tablets use multitasking os with the possibility to run many applications at once :) | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | but then you will get into problems when connecting usb | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: user's will | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | statusbar applet? | 19:14 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: there may be some use cases where it could fail | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | laptops have dockable utils for that | 19:15 |
| KotCzarny | ie. if user wants to have control over pm | 19:15 |
| KotCzarny | and not relay on automatic settings | 19:16 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: well, you don't need to convince me, better try talking to Nokia guys :) | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: but the idea is, you watch mplayer, you don't talk on skype | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | you won't have cpu left for skype anyway | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: do they come to freenode? ;) | 19:16 |
| *** arif_endro has joined #maemo | 19:17 | |
| *** jprieur_ has quit IRC | 19:18 | |
| KotCzarny | also, sometimes getting something working is enough to make it go upstream ;) | 19:19 |
| *** GnutoN810 has joined #maemo | 19:21 | |
| ssvb | pupnik: here it is - http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/32216 (check for comments from Igor Stoppa explaining why more intelligent frequency scaling is tricky) | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | i saw a ga photo | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | right now | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | my goggles! | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:23 |
| *** juergbi has joined #maemo | 19:24 | |
| *** Dar has quit IRC | 19:25 | |
| *** Spakman_ has quit IRC | 19:27 | |
| *** mk8 has quit IRC | 19:28 | |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 19:28 | |
| *** _collin_ has quit IRC | 19:30 | |
| derf | There _is_ a Vorbis mapping for AVI. It is not a particularly good mapping, and there is little software support for it, but it does exist. | 19:30 |
| *** barisione has quit IRC | 19:31 | |
| *** barisione has joined #maemo | 19:31 | |
| ssvb | derf: thanks for the information, does ffmpeg support it right? | 19:33 |
| derf | ffmpeg invented it... I sure hope they support it right. | 19:33 |
| ssvb | :) | 19:33 |
| *** playya_ has joined #maemo | 19:34 | |
| derf | A couple of other projects like avidemux have implemented (decode-only) support for it. | 19:34 |
| derf | But I don't think any of the major media frameworks have (DirectShow, Quicktime, gstreamer). | 19:35 |
| hrw | there is gst-plugin-ffmpeg... | 19:35 |
| derf | gstreamer might be able to get support through their ffmpeg plugin... I'm not sure. | 19:35 |
| derf | Try it and see. | 19:36 |
| *** henrique-lunch is now known as henrique | 19:38 | |
| *** Mousey has joined #maemo | 19:39 | |
| pH5 | hm, with my home-built kernel wireless doesn't work | 19:39 |
| pH5 | "WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted" | 19:39 |
| pupnik | damnit why is mencoder lavc ignoring all my rate controls? it's insisting on 630MB filesize no matter what | 19:39 |
| pH5 | what could be the reason for that? | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | copy umac.ko from original initfs | 19:39 |
| ssvb | pH5: are you using dummy umac.ko? | 19:40 |
| pH5 | ssvb: probably not. where can I read about this? | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/umac.ko | 19:41 |
| ssvb | pH5: somewhere on maemo wiki, umac.ko is a closed source module, so some dummy module which clones its API is included in cx3110x package | 19:41 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny, ssvb: thanks | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | there are others too | 19:42 |
| *** trickie has joined #maemo | 19:43 | |
| *** ajturner has quit IRC | 19:46 | |
| *** arif_endro has left #maemo | 19:48 | |
| *** pH5 has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** mazzen has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** mb___ has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** beavis has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** Disconnect has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** braddbr has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** [pablo] has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** MipsIrv has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** truls has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** Dar_LAB has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** youam has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** cy3o3 has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** BugBlue has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** boolean has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** Tuco1 has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** RP has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** KotCzarny has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** molkko has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** kala has quit IRC | 19:50 | |
| *** Luria has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** pH5 has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** mazzen has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** mb___ has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** beavis has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** Disconnect has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** MipsIrv has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** braddbr has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** [pablo] has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** KotCzarny has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** molkko has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** boolean has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** cy3o3 has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** truls has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** Tuco1 has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** Dar_LAB has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** youam has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** RP has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** BugBlue has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** kala has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| *** CrashandDie has joined #maemo | 19:52 | |
| *** Dregs has quit IRC | 19:52 | |
| xdemon | is it possible to use internal memory for sys apps and SD card for games? | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 19:52 |
| *** trbs has quit IRC | 19:53 | |
| xdemon | EXPORT=? | 19:53 |
| *** mgedmin has joined #maemo | 19:53 | |
| KotCzarny | depends on game | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | some are already packaged to use mmc | 19:53 |
| pupnik | ahh fixed it.. need vrc_buf_size | 19:54 |
| xdemon | huh... which of them? | 19:54 |
| *** Koshi has quit IRC | 19:54 | |
| *** Dregs has joined #maemo | 19:54 | |
| *** Dar_ has joined #maemo | 19:55 | |
| *** playya has quit IRC | 19:55 | |
| xdemon | pupnik: what's the status of snes9x port? | 19:55 |
| *** Luria has quit IRC | 19:55 | |
| pupnik | sound needs either an oss backend wrapper or esd/alsa/sdl backend | 19:56 |
| *** Luria has joined #maemo | 19:56 | |
| pupnik | also more scaling options would be good | 19:56 |
| *** GnutoN810 has quit IRC | 20:00 | |
| *** generationally has joined #maemo | 20:01 | |
| *** DaniloCesar has quit IRC | 20:01 | |
| *** Luria has quit IRC | 20:01 | |
| *** henrique has quit IRC | 20:02 | |
| *** kaie has quit IRC | 20:02 | |
| *** henrique has joined #maemo | 20:03 | |
| *** kaie has joined #maemo | 20:03 | |
| *** Dar_LAB has quit IRC | 20:03 | |
| *** gletelli has joined #maemo | 20:05 | |
| *** XATRIX has quit IRC | 20:07 | |
| *** argnel has quit IRC | 20:08 | |
| *** argnel has joined #maemo | 20:08 | |
| *** dneary has joined #maemo | 20:09 | |
| *** liia has quit IRC | 20:12 | |
| *** jhe has quit IRC | 20:12 | |
| *** liia has joined #maemo | 20:12 | |
| *** jhe has joined #maemo | 20:12 | |
| *** Luria has joined #maemo | 20:15 | |
| xdemon | huh... so any man for installing apps to card? | 20:17 |
| pupnik | wb Luria | 20:17 |
| xdemon | without mmc booting | 20:17 |
| pupnik | xdemon: interested in working on a snes emu? | 20:17 |
| xdemon | pupnik: | 20:17 |
| xdemon | yes | 20:17 |
| xdemon | i am interesting in working mame, gba, and snes emu | 20:18 |
| xdemon | this is best gaming platforms for pda | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | n830 may be | 20:18 |
| *** behdad has quit IRC | 20:18 | |
| xdemon | also i hear that n800 has video card similar to n95 | 20:19 |
| hrw | xdemon: same | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | but unsupported 3d | 20:19 |
| xdemon | how it can be possible? | 20:19 |
| hrw | xdemon: both use omap2420 cpu and built-in video controler | 20:19 |
| xdemon | no drivers? | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | moaney? | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | money | 20:19 |
| hrw | money and license | 20:19 |
| pupnik | normally you can't run apps from a vfat partition but if some things in /usr/share or /usr/local/share take up much space, you can move them to mmc and symlink to them. don't listen to KotCzarny | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: question wasn't vfat partition but mmc card | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | in general | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:20 |
| xdemon | huh, hope nokia allow using videoadapter in OS2009 :D | 20:20 |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 20:20 | |
| KotCzarny | videoadapter? | 20:20 |
| xdemon | video card | 20:20 |
| xdemon | quake 2... so... port uses cpu only? | 20:21 |
| hrw | I do not thinnk that nokia will release 3d for n8xx devices | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | yes i guess | 20:21 |
| xdemon | =( | 20:21 |
| hrw | n800 is quite long on market and nothing about 3d drivers was released | 20:21 |
| xdemon | too bad | 20:21 |
| hrw | I wonder do they have them at all | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | n810 uses same chip | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 20:21 |
| xdemon | but n810 doesn't use it too? | 20:21 |
| hrw | n810 is n800 + gps + keyboard + other case/screen | 20:22 |
| jaska_ | the gps seems pretty.. useless | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | and -sd slot + 2gb internal flash | 20:22 |
| xdemon | KotCzarny: +1 | 20:22 |
| jaska_ | youd probably fix your position by rolling dice faster than it does | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | 1? specs show 2 | 20:22 |
| *** playya_ has quit IRC | 20:22 | |
| hrw | KotCzarny: that 2gb internal flash is done as sd card | 20:22 |
| xdemon | thats why i purchase n800 | 20:22 |
| xdemon | +1 means that i accept with you | 20:23 |
| dtahtbot | xdemon: Error: "1" is not a valid command. | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | hww: is it? i have read it's quite good quality flash | 20:23 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: it is connected as sd/mmc card | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 20:23 |
| xdemon | soo... last time... is there is any way to run, for example, battle for wesnoth from internal MMC card with OS2008 (n800)? | 20:24 |
| hrw | so it is sd/mmc card. | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: technically | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:24 |
| jaska_ | been thinking about reformatting the internal sd with ext2 | 20:24 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: remember that sd/mmc/cf/xd/etc cards are done as flash chip + wires/controler | 20:25 |
| KotCzarny | jaska, you're better off with jffs2 | 20:25 |
| *** ramo102 has quit IRC | 20:25 | |
| KotCzarny | hrw: i know | 20:25 |
| xdemon | So... i guess no way at now | 20:25 |
| KotCzarny | but if i say 'sd' i mean whole card | 20:25 |
| jaska_ | kotc: but.. i dont think the sd exports raw flash suitable for jffs2 | 20:25 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: you cannot format sd/mmc card with jffs2 | 20:25 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: what stops me from that? | 20:25 |
| jaska_ | it has its own wear leveling layer in front of it | 20:26 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: jffs2 require mtd interface | 20:26 |
| hrw | sd/mmc does not have mtd interface | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:26 |
| xdemon | also, how i can freed some space on internal memory? | 20:26 |
| *** ssvb has quit IRC | 20:27 | |
| jaska_ | otherwise i would :) | 20:27 |
| hrw | xdemon: remove videos, audios, pdfs. then look into /usr/share/locale/ and remove what you do not need | 20:27 |
| xdemon | oh, ok | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | btw. having sd card inserted draws power | 20:27 |
| xdemon | so... how i can install GAMES on internal SD? i have 8 gigs SDHC | 20:28 |
| jaska_ | i probably should nuke all my localestuff thats not en_GB/fi_FI | 20:28 |
| *** kwa has joined #maemo | 20:28 | |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 20:28 | |
| KotCzarny | so having 2 cards draws more power | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | 5.0M locale | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:28 |
| jaska_ | o.O | 20:28 |
| hrw | you can also remove some software probably but I would not recommend it | 20:29 |
| hrw | maemo packaging has lot of internal bugs | 20:29 |
| *** kaie has quit IRC | 20:29 | |
| jaska_ | i wonder how badly you need to mess it up so that you cant flash it via usb | 20:29 |
| KotCzarny | probably hard | 20:30 |
| jaska_ | dont really feel like finding a coldflashing serial cable :) | 20:30 |
| hrw | jaska_: flash /dev/urandom as bootlaoder | 20:30 |
| mb___ | jaska_: which pins are used by such a cable? | 20:30 |
| mb___ | or rather pads | 20:31 |
| jaska_ | uuh.. i forgot, just saw something about that | 20:31 |
| hrw | mb___: http://del.icio.us/hrw/ - I bookmarked it iirc | 20:31 |
| mb___ | is it jtag or something similiar? | 20:31 |
| hrw | yep - 3rd link | 20:32 |
| hrw | mb___: no - normal serial port | 20:32 |
| hrw | I do not know where jtag connector is | 20:32 |
| *** ajturner has joined #maemo | 20:32 | |
| mb___ | hrw: Ah, I have access to the serial. I wonder how flashing works? Does the early bootloader have any hooks? | 20:34 |
| pupnik | xdemon: to see space used by directories use the command "du -s /path/to/whatever/* |sort -n" | 20:34 |
| xdemon | i know it | 20:34 |
| hrw | mb___: I do not have such informations | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | du -sx to be exact | 20:34 |
| pupnik | ok apologies | 20:34 |
| xdemon | i use linux on my homepc | 20:34 |
| xdemon | debian | 20:34 |
| xdemon | but | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise you will follow symlinks | 20:34 |
| xdemon | is there is any way to run, for example, battle for wesnoth from internal MMC card with OS2008 (n800)? | 20:34 |
| *** playya has joined #maemo | 20:35 | |
| KotCzarny | thish is not effective | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | which | 20:35 |
| xdemon | any automated way? script? | 20:35 |
| pupnik | xdemon - as I have said, i put large game data on mmc and symlink to it from wherever in the root filesystem | 20:35 |
| *** Tobotras has quit IRC | 20:35 | |
| *** herzi has joined #maemo | 20:36 | |
| mb___ | hrw: here's what I found out about the n810 serial console, btw: http://bu3sch.de/n810.php Maybe that's useful to you, too. | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | xdemon: it's nearly debian inside | 20:36 |
| pupnik | I'm trying to make games find their data on mmc1 or mmc2 instead of installing to /usr/share | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | so anything you know about debian applies | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | (or other distro) | 20:36 |
| xdemon | sinve it have apt, huh | 20:36 |
| xdemon | its debian | 20:36 |
| hrw | nearly is strong word.... | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: symlinks | 20:36 |
| pupnik | glasses | 20:37 |
| hrw | xdemon: fedora can have apt too.. | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | ie. to use ~/.MyDocs/games to point to games on users preferred location | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | then installing to ~/.MyDocs/games | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:37 |
| KotCzarny | or even better ~/games | 20:37 |
| xdemon | but apt come from debian? fedora is rpm besed | 20:37 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: yes that's maybe not a bad idea to put the symlink under MyDocs - would let gui users install game data | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: nope | 20:38 |
| pupnik | for e.g. for some engines like duke3d | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | even .deb could use it | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | and copy files to proper place | 20:38 |
| pupnik | ah well mmc1/2 is fine also - users can unpack their data to it as well | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: the idea behind the symlink is that | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | user will choose which mmc to use | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | and package maintainer doesn't have to know that | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | only symlink location | 20:39 |
| *** mazzen has quit IRC | 20:39 | |
| pupnik | ah ok | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | it can even be regular dir | 20:40 |
| KotCzarny | if one doesn't have any sd cards | 20:40 |
| *** playya_ has joined #maemo | 20:40 | |
| *** _matthias_ has joined #maemo | 20:40 | |
| hrw | xdemon: apt is package fetcher/info tool | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | to be exact | 20:43 |
| hrw | xdemon: there are rpm distros whic use apt | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:43 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: apt-get is tool | 20:43 |
| *** playya__ has joined #maemo | 20:43 | |
| KotCzarny | <hrw> xdemon: apt is package fetcher/info tool | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:44 |
| hrw | for me apt == apt+apt-utils | 20:44 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: apt-cache is info tool ;D | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | you have said 'tool' | 20:44 |
| *** Tobotras has joined #maemo | 20:44 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:44 |
| hrw | ;D | 20:45 |
| *** XATRIX has joined #maemo | 20:45 | |
| *** Tuco1 has quit IRC | 20:47 | |
| *** Tuco1 has joined #maemo | 20:48 | |
| *** EruditeHermit has joined #maemo | 20:48 | |
| Veggen | hmmf. I do wish package management/patching was done a little more the debian way... | 20:50 |
| Veggen | i.e. not by waiting for next release and then reinstalling everything but by updating incrementally. | 20:50 |
| *** _berto_ has quit IRC | 20:51 | |
| *** generationally has left #maemo | 20:52 | |
| Veggen | ...I know it's being worked on, I'm just impatient. And right now, I'd really want a fixed hildon-application-manager package :) | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | just use ssh | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | i decided to do it after i couldn't find a way to resize the colums | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | columns | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | btw. is hildon-application-manager open? | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | it should be simple to cut long version strings when displaying | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | without losing too much of usability | 20:55 |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: it is. Just downloaded the source. But I also see in bugzilla that it's supposed to be fixed in the next version. | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | (it still would be checkable in details) | 20:55 |
| *** playya has quit IRC | 20:55 | |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | what's the link to the source? | 20:56 |
| Veggen | I got it via apt-get source in my scratchbox setup. | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | let's see | 20:56 |
| Veggen | but that, I think, is the version that is installed. Not the fixed version - which I presume should be available from some source code repository somewhere. | 20:57 |
| *** z72ka has joined #maemo | 20:58 | |
| hrw | next version will be os2009 :( | 20:59 |
| Veggen | diablo? | 21:00 |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 21:00 | |
| *** playya_ has quit IRC | 21:00 | |
| jku | Veggen, in garage | 21:01 |
| jku | the source repo is in the garage project I mean | 21:01 |
| jku | but be aware that installing newer versions of system packages is a bit tricky... | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | do i build that source specially? | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | via dpkg build or something? | 21:02 |
| *** playya__ is now known as playya | 21:02 | |
| Veggen | jku: I'm willing to risk it :) | 21:02 |
| *** sergio_ has quit IRC | 21:03 | |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage worked for me. | 21:03 |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 21:03 | |
| KotCzarny | thx | 21:03 |
| jku | osso-software-version depends on specific versions, and not having osso-software-version makes Application Manager unhappy, if I recall correctly | 21:03 |
| jku | not 100% about the last point though | 21:04 |
| Veggen | jku: not that unhappy, I think. I have the rtcomm beta installed, and I haven't seen any major breakage... | 21:04 |
| jku | rtcomm conflicts with osso-software-version? | 21:04 |
| jku | probably does... well, that's good to know | 21:05 |
| Veggen | ...unless appmanager crashing sporadically can be attributed to that, but I think it's always been rather buggy that way? | 21:06 |
| Veggen | (found the svn source. gonna try building...I'm willing to risk it :) | 21:08 |
| *** ulises has joined #maemo | 21:09 | |
| Veggen | I don't really have anything important on it that can't be easily installed from backup. | 21:09 |
| ulises | evening all | 21:09 |
| *** ijon_ has quit IRC | 21:10 | |
| *** alextreme has joined #maemo | 21:11 | |
| unixSnob | Are you folks using skype or gizmo, or openwengo? | 21:11 |
| *** z72ka has quit IRC | 21:11 | |
| *** ijon_ has joined #maemo | 21:11 | |
| *** X-Fade_ has quit IRC | 21:11 | |
| xdemon | i use built-in sip client | 21:11 |
| * lcuk got disalusioned with skype on maemo after finding out no video | 21:11 | |
| KotCzarny | sound is nice | 21:12 |
| unixSnob | i understand that grandcentral can be combined with gizmo to get free calls both ways.. not sure if they closed that loophole yet | 21:12 |
| *** barisione has quit IRC | 21:12 | |
| xdemon | its enought for me since i have my own asterisk server.. | 21:12 |
| Veggen | xdemon: same here. | 21:12 |
| lcuk | but not when all your mates have skype video support | 21:12 |
| unixSnob | xD no video? Ha | 21:12 |
| xdemon | haha | 21:12 |
| xdemon | i m not one =) | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | internal cam sucks anyway | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:12 |
| *** mwaldron has quit IRC | 21:12 | |
| * lcuk feels like a pauper - nice new internet tablet with a nice webcam built in but no fudging use | 21:12 | |
| Veggen | "nice" webcam? | 21:13 |
| Veggen | it's rather low quality. | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | lower-low | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | ok, nice idea - its in the right place | 21:13 |
| unixSnob | i definately need something dependable.. this will be for talking to recuiters | 21:13 |
| Veggen | I don't really see the use for it until it's better :) | 21:13 |
| unixSnob | And the uplink is evdo.. so it has to be lean | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | anyone tried playing twith it and v4l app? | 21:14 |
| Veggen | nuts. it needs a new libapt-pkg-dev | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | kernel config shows it under v4l | 21:14 |
| Veggen | (the new hildon-application-manager) | 21:14 |
| lcuk | its no use - on 810 it points at you and about the only thing you can do is take a self shot once or twice then it becomes boring | 21:14 |
| lcuk | uit has no application - its like a frikkin appendix | 21:15 |
| *** Luria has quit IRC | 21:15 | |
| KotCzarny | that's why i asked about v4l apps | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | xawtv etc. | 21:16 |
| *** _matthias_ has quit IRC | 21:16 | |
| KotCzarny | veggen: 2.0.2 fails with: configure: error: libapt-pkg not found. | 21:17 |
| *** mwaldron has joined #maemo | 21:17 | |
| pupnik | hmm i could sell usb tv receivers for tablets | 21:17 |
| *** braddbr has quit IRC | 21:17 | |
| unixSnob | like the plextor convertx? | 21:17 |
| pupnik | i was thinking usb dvb-t devices for german digital tv | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get install libapt-pkg-dev | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 21:18 |
| *** luogni has joined #maemo | 21:20 | |
| *** djcb has joined #maemo | 21:24 | |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 21:24 | |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 21:26 | |
| *** spirytusick has joined #maemo | 21:26 | |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: yah, found that one too. Next challenge: I need libapt-pkg-dev >= 0.7.6 :) | 21:26 |
| *** msanchez has quit IRC | 21:26 | |
| Veggen | hmm. let's try the -d flags. | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | just install it via apt-get | 21:27 |
| Veggen | (which overrides the dependency checking) | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | works without a problem | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | (on scratchbox) | 21:27 |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: I'm trying to build the svn version :) | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | i had to install libapt-pkg-dev too | 21:28 |
| Veggen | (not the one I got with apt-get source. That's gonna havwe the bug, probably) | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 21:28 |
| *** Zic has quit IRC | 21:30 | |
| *** xdemon has quit IRC | 21:31 | |
| hrw | bye | 21:31 |
| *** hrw is now known as hrw|gone | 21:31 | |
| unixSnob | www.teliax.com crashes both firefox and safari.. interesting | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | battery low. huh | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | 2000 minutes | 21:34 |
| unixSnob | this is on a desktop | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | not bad with wifi-on | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | (about 1.5day) | 21:35 |
| *** L0cutus has quit IRC | 21:36 | |
| Veggen | ok, so let's build newer apt and things too. | 21:36 |
| *** Luria has joined #maemo | 21:38 | |
| *** kwa has quit IRC | 21:41 | |
| *** CrashandLie has joined #maemo | 21:44 | |
| *** svu_ has quit IRC | 21:44 | |
| *** CrashandDie has quit IRC | 21:44 | |
| *** svu has quit IRC | 21:44 | |
| Veggen | hmm. built ok, and now new application manager is building too... | 21:44 |
| *** guardian has joined #maemo | 21:49 | |
| *** Tama^2 has joined #maemo | 21:49 | |
| *** zumbi has joined #maemo | 21:51 | |
| *** fcarvalho has quit IRC | 21:52 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 21:52 | |
| Tama^2 | Hello | 21:52 |
| pupnik | bleh mono mp3 encoding seems to set the audio to be offset | 21:54 |
| *** ajturner has quit IRC | 21:56 | |
| *** svu has joined #maemo | 21:57 | |
| *** roe has joined #maemo | 21:57 | |
| roe | I am sure I am not the first to ask, but I can't find anything on the maemo website. Any work being done porting OOo to maemo? | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 21:58 |
| Veggen | ok. serious breakage here. | 21:58 |
| Veggen | :) | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | you realize it has 128mb of mem? | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | and no java? (afaict) | 21:59 |
| Veggen | roe: not gonna be done. too large footprint. | 21:59 |
| roe | how about an abiword or gnumeric | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | probably doable | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:59 |
| *** svu_ has joined #maemo | 21:59 | |
| *** Lynoure has left #maemo | 22:00 | |
| roe | one more question, this calendaring beta I am reading about, I see it supports icals, but is it planned to support caldav? | 22:00 |
| *** mb___ has quit IRC | 22:02 | |
| Tama^2 | here are you reading about it? :) | 22:03 |
| roe | there is some info on the maemo.org site | 22:03 |
| *** zumbi_ has quit IRC | 22:03 | |
| Veggen | ok. new hildon-application-manager sorta installed. I think. I had to be ugly and do a --force-conflicts, though ;) | 22:04 |
| pupnik | hmm i never used that | 22:05 |
| pupnik | dpkg -i foobar.deb --force-conflicts ? | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 22:06 |
| Veggen | it wanted to deinstall hildon-update-notifier that a bunch depended on. but I couldn't really see what conflicted, when listing the package contents. | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | but conflicts info isn't dummy | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | i guess it will introduce breakages | 22:06 |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: maybe. but I had already broken hildon-application-manager by installing newer apt ;) | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:07 |
| Tama^2 | pupnik, question: bandwidth to the LCD is 18MB/s, but... is the transfer DMAable or the CPU has to move the bits? | 22:07 |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: good news is that the new application manager even seems to work. | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | great | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder what stopped working then | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:08 |
| Veggen | mmm ;) | 22:08 |
| Veggen | hildon-update-notifier, probably. | 22:08 |
| pupnik | Tama^2: can't answer accurately | 22:10 |
| Tama^2 | can you point me to some info? | 22:11 |
| *** eton_ has joined #maemo | 22:11 | |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: I see that new application-manager has a libhildon-update-notifier builtin. | 22:12 |
| Veggen | ...so probably the standalone one is just obsoleted. | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | good | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 22:13 |
| Veggen | ...which means I think I've not broken anything, really. | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 22:13 |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: well. true :) but it seems that it actually works now. | 22:14 |
| Veggen | tried updating and installing applications, and it works. | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:14 |
| *** dolske has quit IRC | 22:16 | |
| *** hugolp has quit IRC | 22:20 | |
| Veggen | hmm. seems I miss a translation or two. but hell, I can live with that. | 22:21 |
| *** ulises has left #maemo | 22:21 | |
| Veggen | hmm. application manager seems faster. | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | by not resizing columns every time? | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:23 |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: there's more that's changed. I think. | 22:23 |
| *** Spakman has joined #maemo | 22:25 | |
| pupnik | [nokia770] Using ARM JIT YUV420 scaler (quality=2) to scale 480x280 => 480x280 ... ergh... why | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | color type conversion? | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | from rgb to yuv etc? | 22:26 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | wild guess | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | check other messages | 22:27 |
| *** MagicFab has joined #maemo | 22:27 | |
| *** thopiekar has joined #maemo | 22:27 | |
| *** marko has joined #maemo | 22:28 | |
| *** marko is now known as zchydem_home | 22:28 | |
| *** pleemans has quit IRC | 22:28 | |
| *** thopiekar has left #maemo | 22:29 | |
| *** eton has quit IRC | 22:29 | |
| *** eton has joined #maemo | 22:30 | |
| pupnik | it's always giving me a +560ms offset on playback now :( | 22:31 |
| Veggen | it *is* more snappy. | 22:32 |
| Veggen | (newer application manager) | 22:33 |
| pupnik | nice | 22:33 |
| *** Koshi has joined #Maemo | 22:33 | |
| Spakman | I'd like to enable drag scrolling on my Gtk TextView widget, but on Maemo the motion-notify-event that I'm trying to use only seems to get fired once until I release and tap again. Are the events getting caught somewhere else? Any idea what I should do? | 22:34 |
| *** eton_ has quit IRC | 22:34 | |
| pupnik | woww mplayer now only taking 18-48% cpu on this vid | 22:35 |
| *** Advhertz has joined #maemo | 22:35 | |
| Advhertz | hello there, I was wondering...it should be possible to see the boot (kernel and SO msgs) of a n8x0 ??? | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 22:36 |
| Advhertz | just like linux does? | 22:36 |
| Advhertz | really? | 22:36 |
| Advhertz | Koshi, and how? | 22:36 |
| Advhertz | KotCzarny, and how? | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | probably some boot options, or modifying kernel | 22:37 |
| Advhertz | KotCzarny, ah are u guessing? | 22:37 |
| Advhertz | Koshi, u are not sure... | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen someone booting puppylinux | 22:37 |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 22:38 | |
| Veggen | there's some package breakage, though. contemplating just deleting the packages, though. I doubt nokia-repository is ever gonna be upgraded, and if it is, it's not like I can't find and do the changes manually. | 22:38 |
| Veggen | osso-af too. | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | a. why do you need them anyway? | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | just do dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.log | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | after the boot | 22:39 |
| lcuk | what if you dont manage a full boo | 22:39 |
| lcuk | t | 22:39 |
| Advhertz | KotCzarny, eh eh....u'r in right man | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | i guess he's just curious | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:40 |
| *** CrashandLie has quit IRC | 22:40 | |
| Advhertz | crazy man....the /boot/ dir is empty.... | 22:41 |
| Advhertz | mh... | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | it's not your usual pc box | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:41 |
| Koshi | Advhertz, sorry what? | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | it's embedded device | 22:41 |
| Veggen | the kernel is on a separate "partition" on your internal flash. | 22:42 |
| Veggen | and so is initfs, but that one is mounted under /mnt/initfs | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | read only though | 22:42 |
| Veggen | sure. | 22:42 |
| *** eber_ has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| *** dolske has joined #maemo | 22:43 | |
| *** djcb has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| pupnik | ok KotCzarny adding "autoaspect" to the mencoder fixed that silly scaler problem | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:44 |
| *** Tama^2 has quit IRC | 22:44 | |
| pupnik | still sync is off... maybe it's because i manually increased the bitbucket | 22:44 |
| *** felipec_ has joined #maemo | 22:45 | |
| pupnik | switching back to stereo fixes the sound sync problem | 22:47 |
| *** EruditeHermit has quit IRC | 22:47 | |
| *** djcb has joined #maemo | 22:50 | |
| *** sbaturzio has joined #maemo | 22:50 | |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 22:51 | |
| KotCzarny | puppnik: - Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | i can't respond you | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | just you know | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:53 |
| pupnik | that's ok :) | 22:53 |
| Veggen | ok. rebuilding without the conflicts-stuff. | 22:53 |
| Veggen | (without conflicting with hildon-update-notifier) | 22:53 |
| pupnik | it will be available in 68 seconds | 22:53 |
| *** EruditeHermit has joined #maemo | 22:53 | |
| KotCzarny | my next battery test will be without mem cards | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | this one lasted 1.5day | 22:53 |
| *** mat has quit IRC | 22:54 | |
| *** Crfrod has joined #maemo | 22:54 | |
| *** henrique has quit IRC | 22:55 | |
| *** Tama^2 has joined #maemo | 22:55 | |
| Veggen | ah. that did it. no more conflict. | 22:55 |
| *** mat has joined #maemo | 22:56 | |
| *** CrashandDie has joined #maemo | 22:57 | |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: that vid looks like some rip | 23:00 |
| pupnik | It's off a dvd | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | initial logo jumps a little | 23:01 |
| pupnik | Yep like in the old film graphics | 23:01 |
| pupnik | funny thing is how mplayer's cpu use is so low | 23:02 |
| *** andrunko has quit IRC | 23:02 | |
| pupnik | but i can't increase resolution | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | because it's only 480x280 | 23:02 |
| *** _matthias_ has joined #maemo | 23:02 | |
| pupnik | it's kinda blurry at 720x576 too | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 23:03 |
| pupnik | but the aspect ratio is crazy narrow - i had to crop | 23:03 |
| *** guardian_ has joined #maemo | 23:03 | |
| *** colinl has quit IRC | 23:04 | |
| pupnik | mencoder -endpos 125 /mnt/share2/Movies/Foobar__DVD.img -o Foobary_280_lavc.avi -srate 22050 -channels 2 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=11000:q=7:vol=2:aq=8:padding=2 -vf-add crop=560:372 -vf-add scale=480:280 -vf-add eq=-12:0 -vf-add eq2=1.30:1.1:0:1:1:1:1:.75 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=500:vrc_buf_size=917:vrc_maxrate=800:vrc_minrate=0:vhq:lumi_mask=0.3:dark_mask=0.5:autoaspect:vpass=2 -ofps 25 -force-avi-aspect 800:372 | 23:04 |
| *** guardian has quit IRC | 23:04 | |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 23:05 |
| pupnik | the first eq pulls down brightness by 12 which erases the dark portions, then the second eq2 brings up gamma again. | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | that movie is cut in a nice moment | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:05 |
| *** Yanker has joined #maemo | 23:05 | |
| Yanker | heya | 23:06 |
| Yanker | anyone have an idea of what is the metalayer-crawler doing | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | crawling | 23:06 |
| Yanker | its eating up my cpu | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | life | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | it's a rogue application to eat your battery | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | it's evil | 23:07 |
| *** kupesoft has joined #maemo | 23:07 | |
| Yanker | yea and it morphs... cant kill it! | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:08 |
| Yanker | Description: Metalayer Crawler Daemon Crawler is a program that is always running on the background. The purpose of the program is to collect information about the comings and goings of media files in the system. The metadata of media files is automatically extracted using libmetalayer for other applications to use. | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It scans for media | 23:08 |
| lcuk | it is demonic | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | 'extracted' | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, pure evil | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It gets tripped up over recursive symlinks occasionally. | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | no feelings | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | how do you use the information it snags? | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Media player | 23:09 |
| *** zwnj has quit IRC | 23:09 | |
| lcuk | but cant it just scan when i like - open media player ? | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, no! | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because that takes time | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at how long Canola takes to load. | 23:09 |
| lcuk | or actually leave it without scanning | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | it should extract information on 'per-open' basis | 23:10 |
| Yanker | my pda is soo going to fry! | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | not 'constantly' | 23:10 |
| *** XATRIX has quit IRC | 23:10 | |
| lcuk | oh, but it detects a file system change - it MUST rescan | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | or at least there should be a switch | 23:10 |
| lcuk | update your log files: rescan. | 23:10 |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 23:10 | |
| lcuk | cough too loudly: rescan | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | can it be disabled ? | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:11 |
| lcuk | easily and without breaking stuff | 23:11 |
| lcuk | ? | 23:11 |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 23:11 | |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:11 |
| Yanker | gnome-vfs should handle the spawn of it shouldnt it? | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | unless you need additional info in media player | 23:12 |
| Yanker | it should be easy enough to setup the vfs for specific media libraries | 23:12 |
| *** Crfrodf has quit IRC | 23:12 | |
| Yanker | s/lib/folders | 23:12 |
| lcuk | what do you mean "additional info" - if its things like waveforms and images | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: it's like: your media files are there, there, and there, and they are named that, that, that | 23:12 |
| *** Luria has quit IRC | 23:12 | |
| lcuk | or is it the meta data from media - mp3 tags | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | media library is evil | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | and you know what? it doesn't save that info anywhere | 23:13 |
| lcuk | so if i disable it it will not rescan anywhere and just use the paths it knows right now? | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | meaning it will rescan every time | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | no | 23:13 |
| Yanker | who made that.... string him up!! | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | if you disable it your media library will be empty | 23:13 |
| lcuk | well thast a steaming pile of hotspur | 23:13 |
| *** Zetx has joined #maemo | 23:13 | |
| KotCzarny | and you will have to click 'open and browse' to play | 23:14 |
| lcuk | cant we make it "think" its got media | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | but it can be reenabled safely | 23:14 |
| lcuk | and does the media player fill up as it scans folders? | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: become root and: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | you will see how it will look without ml | 23:15 |
| Yanker | well its like this; ... i had a bluetooth headset plugged in while listening to the radio streamer applet, then while going through the 'My selection' links the pda crashed | 23:15 |
| lcuk | ie, could i make myself a shell script which "start crawling. run mediaplayer. stop crawling" | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | later you can reenable it by changing stop to start | 23:15 |
| Yanker | now, no applets are shown at all | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | yanker: nokia is not a pda, it's more like a regular laptop | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:15 |
| lcuk | yanker - dont call it a pda, GeneralAntilles has a heart murmur | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: but it will take long time everytime | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | better just get nice player | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | that won't relay on such maddness | 23:16 |
| lcuk | i agree, but mediaplayer is actually nice | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | evince looked promising | 23:16 |
| Yanker | lolz nvm that | 23:16 |
| *** simon_ has quit IRC | 23:17 | |
| Yanker | just because its with a unix os? i dont see the difference, other than another handle of the device drivers :) | 23:17 |
| Yanker | how do i fix it?! | 23:17 |
| *** Zetty has joined #maemo | 23:17 | |
| KotCzarny | yanker: pda reminds me of ipaq/palm | 23:17 |
| Mousey | what i wanna know is how do you get media players to use the headphones profile instead of the headset profile!!!! | 23:17 |
| * Mousey cries | 23:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Metalayer-crawler has never been a problem for me. | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | and windows mobile | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | *shrug* | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | That said, I'd like to see an option. | 23:18 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, remember last nigth the bits about the fbreader library, it might look awful, but it does pretty much what you expect - give it a base folder and it will grab there and then and retain the list | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i don't want the list | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | i want simply click on files | 23:18 |
| *** Zetty has quit IRC | 23:18 | |
| KotCzarny | i want to do work once | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | not twice | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | ie. 1/ put your files in nice folder depending on my criteria | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ add them again to media library | 23:19 |
| lcuk | so you are an old style media player classic single file at a time man rather than itunes :) i hear ya and agree | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: nope | 23:19 |
| Yanker | well, something has my cpu by the balls, and its metalayer-crawl daemon :) | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | do you want to test my hacked mplayer frontend? | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | it's ncurses based right now, but quite usable | 23:20 |
| lcuk | not really, for now mplayer for me hasnt really shone | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | just for interface test | 23:20 |
| lcuk | ive had better compatability with the limited media i have played using the built in | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | also it would work via ssh | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | because it's ncurses based | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:21 |
| *** luogni has quit IRC | 23:21 | |
| *** eton_ has joined #maemo | 23:24 | |
| *** ajturner has joined #maemo | 23:25 | |
| Yanker | i sooo want that crawler dead .o.O | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:26 |
| MangoFusion | wanted, dead of alive: MetaCrawler | 23:27 |
| MangoFusion | errm or | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | mine is dead | 23:27 |
| MangoFusion | man, i can't type today | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | want it? | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:27 |
| MangoFusion | actually on second thoughts i will pass | 23:27 |
| *** etrunko has quit IRC | 23:28 | |
| KotCzarny | it's dead for days now | 23:28 |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 23:28 | |
| *** etrunko has joined #maemo | 23:28 | |
| *** MoRpHeUz has quit IRC | 23:30 | |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 23:30 | |
| *** luck^ has quit IRC | 23:30 | |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 23:31 | |
| *** X-Fade has joined #maemo | 23:31 | |
| *** EruditeHermit has quit IRC | 23:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You're crazy, lcuk. | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | What media are you playing? <_< | 23:33 |
| *** felipec_ has quit IRC | 23:33 | |
| *** djcb_ has joined #maemo | 23:34 | |
| *** Zetx has quit IRC | 23:34 | |
| lcuk | not a lot - movies recoded using the nokia media convertor and tv shows. mplayer became unresponsive on a number of occasions and seemed to lock in fullscreen for 10-15seconds too long. ontop of that the initial interface was not finger friendly (built in isnt much better, but its a start) | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i'm talking about audio files right now | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | though my gui has support for youtube browsing/playing too | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:35 |
| lcuk | i dont play audio files through nokia - speakers sound shite and headphones arent needed - i have a good enough media centre with speakers right here | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | still, sometimes it can come handy | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor N810 users and their crappy speakers. | 23:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles enjoys watching movies in bed with the N800's speakers. | 23:37 | |
| lcuk | speakers are better than old pda and it sounds fine when playing tv programs | 23:37 |
| * KotCzarny has n800 too | 23:37 | |
| aquatix | n810 sounds decent | 23:37 |
| aquatix | but i like normal speakers or headphones better anyway | 23:37 |
| * KotCzarny can't tell because has only one | 23:37 | |
| lcuk | i am miffed about how quick it goes through battery though - its constantly hooked up to the wall | 23:37 |
| * lcuk feels tethered | 23:37 | |
| * aquatix only has an n810 | 23:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish mplayer had the ability to turn the volume up over 100% | 23:37 |
| *** djcb_ has quit IRC | 23:37 | |
| aquatix | never listened to an n800 | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | 'a' | 23:38 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: n800 is pronounced `en-eighthundred' | 23:38 |
| aquatix | so `an' | 23:38 |
| aquatix | i'd say | 23:38 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the nokia automatically does it if you watch spinal tap | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | i pronounce it as 'nokia-800' | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's wrong. | 23:38 |
| aquatix | ah | 23:38 |
| aquatix | than it would be `a', but that's not how you pronounce it :) | 23:39 |
| lcuk | n810 is pronounced nokia internet tablet 810 series - i loath to call it n series | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's with you and trying to correct people with your wrong answers? <_< | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:39 |
| aquatix | lcuk: :) | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | because i'm right too? | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:39 |
| aquatix | lcuk: bit long though ;) | 23:39 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: not quite | 23:39 |
| aquatix | nokia pronounces it as `en-eighthundred' themselves | 23:40 |
| Fang64 | *yawns* just call it n800 for short or 'en-eighthundred' lol and look over the fact it's called a Nokia Internet Tablet 8x0 | 23:40 |
| lcuk | i know, but the nseries are cool devices which make full use of their hardware | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | another example of word that starts with n ? | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: not true | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix has got you here, might as well drop it before you start to look bad. | 23:40 |
| aquatix | nitroglycerin | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | an or a? | 23:41 |
| aquatix | or however it's spelled | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:41 |
| aquatix | `a' | 23:41 |
| aquatix | duh | 23:41 |
| *** astro76 has quit IRC | 23:41 | |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 23:41 |
| lcuk | ok then KotCzarny when are we gonna get n-gage gaming ported to this n series device? | 23:41 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: like you made a point now? | 23:41 |
| * KotCzarny has got n-gage too | 23:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, quite possibly with OMAP3. :D | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | (original) | 23:41 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: and how do you pronounce `n-gage'? | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: :) | 23:41 |
| lcuk | but hasnt the current n95 which has same chipset got it already ;) | 23:41 |
| aquatix | nnngahche? | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | auqatix the fact that they 'misspelled' the word doesn't mean it's right | 23:42 |
| * aquatix rests his point | 23:42 | |
| lcuk | or is it one of the lesser models for now | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | it was a pun on 'engage' | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:42 |
| aquatix | well, n770, n800 and n810 are model names | 23:42 |
| lcuk | you sayl n-gage as "taco" | 23:42 |
| aquatix | `n' is just a letter | 23:42 |
| *** eton has quit IRC | 23:42 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:43 |
| * aquatix stops | 23:43 | |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Gage | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:43 |
| aquatix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N | 23:43 |
| lcuk | aquatix, its not just a model name, the n stands for nseries http://www.nseries.com/index.html its an entire range of related devices | 23:43 |
| aquatix | lcuk: i know | 23:43 |
| aquatix | which is also pronounced `en-series' | 23:44 |
| MangoFusion | N-Gage phone was hilarious | 23:44 |
| aquatix | oh well | 23:44 |
| * KotCzarny uses n-gage still | 23:44 | |
| aquatix | MangoFusion: depends on your humour ;) | 23:44 |
| MangoFusion | hehe | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | i love it :) | 23:44 |
| * aquatix has laughed his ass off watching silly side-talk | 23:44 | |
| *** dolske has quit IRC | 23:44 | |
| KotCzarny | though has short battery life when playing | 23:44 |
| *** giskard has quit IRC | 23:44 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen some mods for sidetalking | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | including drilling | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | but for me sidetalking is quite ok | 23:45 |
| xuser_ | how can I right click? need it for rdeskto. | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | xuser: press and hold stylus a little while | 23:45 |
| aquatix | xuser_: long tap? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | that doesnt work for me when i use vnc so i wouldnt hold breath... | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:46 |
| xuser_ | ok let me see | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | rdesktop is nokia'a app? | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it? | 23:46 |
| aquatix | xuser_: if it doesn't work, hook up a mouse ;) | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | -> can work | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:46 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: vnc != rdesktop | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | he uses rdesktop | 23:46 |
| aquatix | erm, ah | 23:46 |
| aquatix | lcuk had me confused | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:47 |
| *** beavis has quit IRC | 23:47 | |
| * lcuk has himself confused | 23:47 | |
| * aquatix throws some cold water over lcuk to un-confuse him | 23:47 | |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 23:47 | |
| lcuk | WAIT | 23:47 |
| lcuk | let me put nokia down first | 23:47 |
| * aquatix freezes in mid-throw | 23:47 | |
| lcuk | ok | 23:47 |
| * lcuk is a bit neurotic with nokia and drinks | 23:48 | |
| KotCzarny | isn't it waterproof? | 23:48 |
| lcuk | am i the only one? | 23:48 |
| Fang64 | lol | 23:48 |
| * aquatix continues throwing and watches bucket hit lcuk because of the misfired throw | 23:48 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've heard a number of survival stories where people dropped their tablets in water while they were on. | 23:48 |
| lcuk | mwah hahahaaa! i has a bukkit!!! | 23:48 |
| aquatix | water generally isn't *that* bad | 23:48 |
| lcuk | and a sore head | 23:49 |
| *** texel has joined #maemo | 23:49 | |
| aquatix | oh noes, they takez bukkit! | 23:49 |
| lcuk | i once washed my nvidia graphics card under the tap | 23:49 |
| xuser_ | didn't work :/ | 23:49 |
| lcuk | i managed to get the coke out of it | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | xuser: read rdesktop docs | 23:49 |
| aquatix | lcuk: never sniff from your hardware | 23:49 |
| lcuk | however from then onwards all the scenes it rendered looked like they were underwater | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they have an another way for right click | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Har har har | 23:50 |
| Fang64 | well pure water isn't bad lol assuming you have water that is absolutely free of contaminants X.x | 23:50 |
| *** Cptnodegard has quit IRC | 23:50 | |
| KotCzarny | fang: pure water? where? | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:50 |
| texel | Distilled water, you mean. =o) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | remote desktop programs send input as its obtained from the user, how does it know you dont want to long press on your remote desktop? | 23:50 |
| aquatix | Fang64: which it isn't anymore when you start cleaning with it | 23:50 |
| Fang64 | indeed | 23:50 |
| xuser_ | yeah Ill check it out | 23:50 |
| Fang64 | lol | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: it asks xserver for input | 23:51 |
| *** dolske has joined #maemo | 23:51 | |
| KotCzarny | and xserver can send what it decides to send | 23:51 |
| lcuk | yes, and xserver wont doesnt just switch from a left click to a right automatically - thats down to software control | 23:51 |
| Fang64 | can the N800 do X11 forwarding? | 23:51 |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 23:51 | |
| lcuk | hence the flashy cursor and menu | 23:51 |
| *** Luria has joined #maemo | 23:51 | |
| KotCzarny | xserver IS software | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | fang: probably | 23:52 |
| *** SDuensin has quit IRC | 23:52 | |
| lcuk | yer, but its generic software | 23:52 |
| lcuk | fang, closest i have seen is x11vnc server | 23:52 |
| Fang64 | uhm | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | ssh -R/-L ? | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:52 |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 23:52 | |
| Fang64 | I'm talking X11 forwarding over ssh or something like a desktop app and having n800 as client | 23:52 |
| Fang64 | wondor how well that'd work | 23:53 |
| Fang64 | lol | 23:53 |
| texel | Fang64: not likely well. | 23:53 |
| Fang64 | wonder* | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it works fine, Fang64 | 23:53 |
| lcdd | Fang64: normal x windows don't behave as you'd expect | 23:53 |
| Fang64 | ah | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, ^ | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it does work. | 23:53 |
| texel | Especially with programs that expect the window manager to do specific, tiled things. | 23:53 |
| Fang64 | so the translation between the desktop to the tablet doesn't work too swift? | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | it's not your usual x.org | 23:53 |
| Fang64 | I'm aware | 23:54 |
| Fang64 | lo | 23:54 |
| Fang64 | lol | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | they use substitute | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:54 |
| Fang64 | I mean it's still X isn't it XD | 23:54 |
| Fang64 | a form of it | 23:54 |
| texel | It's the same x.org, they just use a different window manager that does things that most X clients don't expect. | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | it implemenst some of X protocol i guess | 23:54 |
| lcuk | ahhh, you mean its like "Microsoft X" - they took a standard and screwed with it | 23:55 |
| Fang64 | GeneralAntilles: so forwarding a X11 to the tablet works? | 23:55 |
| *** giskard has joined #maemo | 23:55 | |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
| * texel sighs | 23:55 | |
| *** kenne has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
| Fang64 | lol | 23:55 |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 23:55 | |
| texel | Anybody else still seeing problems with metalayer-crawler on OS2008 (chinook)? | 23:56 |
| * KotCzarny killed it off | 23:56 | |
| aquatix | depends what you defines as `problems' | 23:56 |
| texel | I'm afraid my install generally ends up eating memory like mad, rather than CPU. | 23:56 |
| lcuk | lol texel, scrollback | 23:56 |
| *** _matthias_ has quit IRC | 23:57 | |
| texel | lcuk: wasn't in here prior to a few minutes ago. =op | 23:57 |
| texel | aquatix: >60MB VMEM usage. | 23:57 |
| aquatix | hm, ouch | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | in general everyone has to ask about mcrawl | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | sooner or later | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | it's EVIL | 23:57 |
| texel | Not evil. Just oddly implemented, methinks. | 23:57 |
| texel | Is it at least open enough so we can see the source? | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | unnecessary | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | imo whole medialibrary concept is sick | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | usefull sometimes | 23:58 |
| Fang64 | lol | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | but not worth it | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | but i'm not a regular user | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:59 |
| texel | Hrm. So then the next question becomes: are there any outstanding bugs open for it that haven't been marked as "FIXED"? | 23:59 |
| *** EruditeHermit has joined #maemo | 23:59 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
