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| fysa | anyone try a P1610 or P1620? | 00:02 |
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| fysa | Lifebook? | 00:02 |
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| n800music | <3 | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | new game build/port by solmumaha : "airstrike" http://pupnik.de/airstrike_maemo.jpg http://pupnik.de/airstrike_1.0_pre6.deb | 00:17 |
| kikka | Narf, software update won't work. | 00:17 |
| kikka | is there any way to update it without flashing it? (n770, os05->os06) | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | at least not without breaking things | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:19 |
| kikka | Connect it to your computer via USB without turning it on <- What does this mean? Should the display be black, or what? | 00:19 |
| Tama^2 | it should be turned off | 00:26 |
| Tama^2 | so from the desktop, press the poer button and select 'switch off' | 00:26 |
| kikka | Yeah, that doesn't work | 00:27 |
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| kikka | Tommorow again, I hate this crap at the moment. | 00:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Do you have it plugged into the charger? :\ | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flashing is about as simple as it gets. . . . | 00:31 |
| Tama^2 | yes, you need to leave it *unplugged* form the charger | 00:33 |
| Tama^2 | turn it off | 00:33 |
| Tama^2 | plug in USB | 00:33 |
| Tama^2 | start the flasher (if you are doing it on the command line) | 00:33 |
| Tama^2 | then press and keep pressed the 'home' button and press the power button to turn it on | 00:34 |
| Tama^2 | release the home button only when you see the usb logo in the corner of the screen | 00:34 |
| Tama^2 | the flasher will have recognized the device by then | 00:35 |
| Tama^2 | GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629#c12 | 00:36 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pressure works fine for me with maemopad+ in OS2008. | 00:37 |
| Tama^2 | good, then it may mean there is something different with *some* tablets | 00:37 |
| Tama^2 | and they should know | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/emo.png | 00:38 |
| Tama^2 | I remember that picture | 00:38 |
| Tama^2 | mine is all black | 00:38 |
| Tama^2 | everywhere | 00:38 |
| Tama^2 | even if I touch it lightly | 00:38 |
| Tama^2 | in OS2008 that is | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 00:38 |
| Tama^2 | in OS2007 pressure makes a difference | 00:39 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. in app manager it would be nice to have resizeable columns.. | 00:41 |
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| KotCzarny | right now if there's an package with very long version string | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Raise an enhancement request. | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | it just takes over whole screen | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | to who? | 00:41 |
| TuxProbe | haya, as a newb at maemo developing - is there like a meta pkg i could install for the full gcc toolchain? | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | tuxprobe: nope, install them one by one | 00:42 |
| TuxProbe | k thx anyways =) | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | but use scratchbox | 00:43 |
| TuxProbe | is the scratchbox one? | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | oh, you mean you want to develop on pc? | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | then yes, there are scripts that will install sb and sdk automatically | 00:43 |
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| KotCzarny | huh | 00:44 |
| TuxProbe | yea, man - would be tiredsome if one had to input all code through a virtual touch keyboard :p | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | i have to login to buzilla | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | tuxprobe: n810 has keyboard | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why does everybody like to bitch about having to register at bugzilla? <_< | 00:45 |
| TuxProbe | but still hehe | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | general: because people are lazy? | 00:45 |
| Tama^2 | people bitch about registering in general | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | register, there, register here | 00:45 |
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| Tama^2 | I understand why I need registering on bugzilla | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | 'and all i wanted to do is write one sentence!' | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| Tama^2 | but in general I hate to register like everyone alse | 00:46 |
| jku | filing bugs without the folloup email address is worthless, in a typical case | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Takes more energy to complain about it than to just do it. | 00:46 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 00:46 |
| Tama^2 | the problem is taht people do not want long term reltionships! | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | general, sure, 'your login is taken, choose another one' | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| Tama^2 | just write your one liner and be done with it | 00:46 |
| Tama^2 | like one night stands :P | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | and.. 'choose another one' | 00:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We don't want your bugs if you're not willing to put a little effort into filing them. :P | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | there should be an ircbot | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | to collect bugs :) | 00:47 |
| Tama^2 | are you crazy? | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Forms are a little complicated for that. | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | they're not mine :P | 00:47 |
| Tama^2 | half of bugzilla would be filled with links to goatse | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | i would be only reporting them | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | tama: inteligent bot | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who cares about taht | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | intelligent | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Half of it would be filled with crappy one-liner "bugs". | 00:48 |
| Tama^2 | "doesn't turn on" | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | [x] delete | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | We already get enough of those NOW. | 00:48 |
| Tama^2 | "wtf is with this product?" | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | [next] | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | that would be easy | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The people with deletion permissions have enough to. | 00:49 |
| Tama^2 | not when the rate at which they are submitted is higher than a person can deal with them | 00:49 |
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| KotCzarny | and what rate would that be? | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It never ceases to amaze the kinds mouth-diarrhea that people submit. | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:50 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. what are 'marketing release' packages for? | 00:51 |
| lcuk_2 | those are half resolution 2x speed pre-rendered versions | 00:52 |
| lcuk_2 | for promotional and marketting purposes | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | can i remove them? | 00:52 |
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| lcuk_2 | god knows i was half joking, i dont even know where your lookin | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -l | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | osso-imageviewer-l10n-mr0, osso-imageviewer marketing release package | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 00:53 |
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| desertc | Heya - I am working on upgrading to OS2008 with my N800 via my linux desktop | 01:01 |
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| desertc | I am on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php --- do you think 2007.51-3 is the latest version of the OS ? | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:01 |
| desertc | thanks very much | 01:02 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | lools like those mr0 pachages contain of some docs | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | which were purged by docpurge anyway | 01:03 |
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| desertc | do you think I am going about this task in the right way? | 01:06 |
| desertc | I am going to use the Flasher 3.0 program | 01:06 |
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| sp3000 | clearly nothing's gone horribly wrong yet :) | 01:09 |
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| lcuk_2 | desertc, yes - as long as you follow the instructions (you are already most of the way through) it should work. i should say however i hope you took a backup first | 01:12 |
| lcuk_2 | (unless of course its a new machine and you haven't got anything of yours stored on it | 01:12 |
| desertc | okay, thanks for the advice | 01:13 |
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| lcuk_2 | no prob :) you have already done the hard part and found what you need to do yourself | 01:13 |
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| tubtub | hi all. Anyone played with dbus and the bluez api ? I have been getting somewhere with scanning devices but I can not connect to a remote service. I am wondering if it is supported properly on the nokia n810? | 01:16 |
| sp3000 | KotCzarny: the l10n part is the interesting one | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | i'm looking to remove them | 01:17 |
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| KotCzarny | i guess | 01:18 |
| sp3000 | infobot: l10n? | 01:18 |
| infobot | l10n is probably an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? | 01:18 |
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| sp3000 | apt-cache show will tell you what the mr0s are for | 01:20 |
| jku | KotCzarny, are referring to the maemo-users dicussion? | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | Description: osso-imageviewer marketing release package | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | This is a metapackage for osso-imageviewer to pull all the l10n packages. | 01:21 |
| sp3000 | namely, metapackages (essentially empty) that depend on all languages | 01:21 |
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| KotCzarny | hum | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | off with them! | 01:21 |
| sp3000 | I suppose it's theoretically possible nothing will blow up if you remove l10n packages for unused languages | 01:21 |
| jku | if you're building some osso app, just remove the dependency | 01:22 |
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| desertc | when instructions say to reboot holding the home button -- is that the button that looks like the side of a house? | 01:23 |
| desertc | with squares living inside? | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take a wild stab in the dark. :P | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | unless you come from the arctic | 01:24 |
| sp3000 | desertc: the instructions are probably being redundant, I've never had to touch a home button when flashing | 01:25 |
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| desertc | sp3000: you just leave it running? | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | The flasher can sometimes miss the device powering on and let the device boot normally. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Powering up with the home key just makes the device wait for the flasher. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes timing mildly easier. | 01:26 |
| sp3000 | desertc: no, it does need to be shut down to start in flashing mode | 01:26 |
| desertc | thanks again | 01:27 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: hmm, maybe you've flashed more times then ;) | 01:27 |
| * sp3000 is only up to ~100 or so | 01:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I've had the flasher miss ONCE. | 01:27 |
| sp3000 | heh | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | One less thing to go wrong, anyway. | 01:28 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | i guess i have broken apt-get | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:31 |
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| KotCzarny | it won't allow me to install new packages without those 'required -ms' | 01:32 |
| jku | without what? | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get -f install maemopad+ | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | results with: | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | (...) | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | tablet-browser-ui: Depends: hildon-common-strings-l10n-mr0 but it is not installable or | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | hildon-common-strings-l10n-mr | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). | 01:33 |
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| jku | this is on scratchbox? | 01:34 |
| desertc | ugh - I have to run flasher commands with sudo :( | 01:34 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | on n800 | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | desertc, why "ugh"? | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there's only one to run. | 01:35 |
| desertc | I run flasher on the n800 ? | 01:35 |
| sp3000 | I guess apps like to depend on localizations, for better or for worse | 01:35 |
| jku | those l10n packages should be there... | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | but i don't want no stinky localizations | 01:35 |
| desertc | I thought I ran flasher on the desktop | 01:35 |
| sp3000 | desertc: that was a different conversation | 01:35 |
| desertc | sp3000: oh, thanks | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course you run it on the desktop | 01:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wires are getting crossed. | 01:36 |
| jku | KotCzarny, did you remove them? | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | jku: yes | 01:36 |
| jku | ah, that explains it :) | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why are you worried about a few hundred KB of localization packages, anyway? | 01:36 |
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| KotCzarny | how to make apt-get happy now (without installing those packages) | 01:36 |
| desertc | I do not like running things with sudo - especially when I am following some stranger's instructions regarding files downloaded from the internet. *runs command and crosses fingers* | 01:37 |
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| jku | no way to do that | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | desertc, it's just so it can use the USB bus. | 01:37 |
| jku | KotCzarny, but you could make your own meta-packages that do not depend on the localizations | 01:37 |
| sp3000 | you could create fake packages | 01:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If you don't want to have to run it as root, then give the user access to the bus. | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | but i will have to reinstall them, yes? | 01:38 |
| pupnik | i need a streaming radio client that will cache the stream and let me auto-grab a song i like without losing the beginning | 01:38 |
| sp3000 | oh, yeah, or less of them, like that | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: mplayer | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:38 |
| pupnik | not | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | yes, --dump-stream | 01:38 |
| jku | KotCzarny, hildon-common-strings-l10n-mr0 or hildon-common-strings-l10n-mr must be there yes | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | i guess there was a frontend to mplayer to do what you wanted | 01:39 |
| pupnik | maybe i was unclear. i don't want to fill up gigabytes of media while listening | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | jku: i cut most of the error message | 01:39 |
| Navi | ]NO, YOU ALL ARE GAY. | 01:39 |
| Navi | End of argument. | 01:39 |
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| jku | KotCzarny, if you really want to get rid of localizations, I guess you could make single empty package that "provides" all of the meta-l10n packages (but doesn't depend on anything). Lot of work for not much gain though | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | i guess it's time for some sed fun | 01:41 |
| desertc | so - with flasher, I ran it, it says it could not find a suitable usb device, and I tried to reboot my nokia but it still doesn't see it | 01:41 |
| desertc | [53563.650852] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia N800 0316 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 | 01:42 |
| desertc | It does show up in my system log, however! | 01:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Turn off the N800. | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plug it into a USB port on the machine. | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Start the flasher. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hold down the home key and power on the N800. | 01:44 |
| * Navi reads some scrollback | 01:44 | |
| desertc | Right. Thanks for your help. Wish that was in the instructions | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Release the Home key once you see the USB icon. | 01:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's in all the instructions I can recall reading. | 01:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles shrugs. | 01:44 | |
| Navi | ZOMG I DUN LEIK 2 UZ TEH SUDO CUZ IM TARD *cough* | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | navi: too much irc | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:46 |
| desertc | someone needs to go have some fun this weekend to release some pent up energy... ;) | 01:46 |
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| pupnik | heh | 01:48 |
| Navi | I'm just passing along the judgements of those who are too polite to do so | 01:48 |
| * lcuk_2 is suffering from lazyitis | 01:48 | |
| desertc | hmm - GeneralAntilles - I did give your instructions a try, with no success. I do notice that my Rhythmbox music player pops up when the N800 comes online. I wonder if it is interrupting Flasher in some way | 01:48 |
| Navi | lcuk_2, shit, you should get that checked | 01:48 |
| Navi | lcuk_2, my uncle had that, died two weeks later. | 01:49 |
| sp3000 | desertc: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%2528CategoryFlashing%2529#312936fe52de4398657f61dbf7c06747 right? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has the device actually been turned off. | 01:49 |
| lcuk_2 | i think doctor will just recommend sleep | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you actually seen a USB logo? | 01:49 |
| sp3000 | oh my hash | 01:49 |
| Navi | lcuk_2, maybe | 01:49 |
| desertc | I do see the USB logo on the N800 device | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | on screen? | 01:49 |
| desertc | Also, I am doing a "Switch off!" and the device seems off | 01:49 |
| sp3000 | how off? | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it plugged into the charger? | 01:50 |
| sp3000 | is the charger pluggedP? | 01:50 |
| desertc | actually, it is plugged into the charger, yes | 01:50 |
| sp3000 | ooh, my fingers are talking lilsp | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800: Unplug charger and switch off the Nokia N800. | 01:50 |
| sp3000 | desertc: so the instructions say unplug the charger | 01:50 |
| desertc | huh - yeah the battery had run out | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's plugged into the charger, it's not turned off. | 01:50 |
| desertc | I'm looking at some bad instructions then. | 01:50 |
| Navi | unplug it, turn it all the way off | 01:50 |
| lcuk_2 | pupnik, when you are running sdl, have you got tearsync sorted? ive been playing with a variation at 800*480 and its working, but it looks crap compared to my silky smooth XV version | 01:51 |
| Navi | run the flasher, plug in the USB cable | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which ones, desertc? | 01:51 |
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| Navi | then plug in the N800 and it'll flash | 01:51 |
| desertc | http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9816300-1.html | 01:51 |
| Navi | It's _not hard_ | 01:51 |
| sp3000 | yeah, crave.net isn't the one nokia.com links to :) | 01:51 |
| Navi | I did it for the first time a few days ago and was done with it within two minutes | 01:51 |
| pupnik | lcuk_2: no | 01:51 |
| lcuk_2 | damn, it might be worth my while following xv down then and seeing how it manages it. | 01:52 |
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| pupnik | lcuk_2 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/34480 | 01:52 |
| lcuk_2 | ill try to get something to show the difference. i need to refactor all this stuff and remove hard written paths to things, but im not entirely sure where data and apps should end up | 01:53 |
| pupnik | ioctl(fbfd, OMAPFB_VSYNC); | 01:53 |
| sp3000 | Navi: yeah, it doesn't help when you find bad instructions | 01:53 |
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| sp3000 | teh interwebs are annoying like that, for every good doc there's a handful of ones with fairly random similar content | 01:54 |
| Navi | sp3000, They're not bad. | 01:54 |
| Navi | Jesus christ | 01:54 |
| lcuk_2 | yer i saw the ioctls when i was examining the omapfb code (Which went by the wayside whilst i look at xv which is easier to configure) | 01:54 |
| desertc | sp3000: the instructions I found on nokia's site said to use some pc sync software on windows | 01:54 |
| lcuk_2 | i didnt realise sdl sent info through x itself rather than sidestepping it for this device | 01:54 |
| elb | that's the normal path for sdl | 01:55 |
| elb | (when run under X) | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | desertc: http://europe.nokia.com/A4632004 -> * Download software update -> For updating your software using a Linux computer, go to www.maemo.org. -> links to the good doc | 01:56 |
| lcuk_2 | i thought it went to lowest layer possible (omapfb/direct ioctls) rather than x. thats just me not knowing sdl tho | 01:56 |
| Navi | desertc, you downloaded the image, why didn't you bother to check maemo.org -_- | 01:56 |
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| sp3000 | Navi: it doesn't say maemo.org on the image I think | 01:56 |
| Navi | sp3000, but think about where he downloaded the image. | 01:57 |
| sp3000 | Navi: the bad doc in question only says "reboot", going into actingdead isn't really that distinguishable from that for most people I suspect | 01:57 |
| sp3000 | Navi: tablets-dev something | 01:57 |
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| lcuk_2 | when testing binaries on the device, where is the most logical place for me to put them? and do i use a subfolder to hold all my exes together or just put each into one big long /bin folder with everything else? | 01:57 |
| desertc | sp3000: thank you for your help -- I missed the "for updating your software using a linux computer", because the operating system requirements listed only Windows versions | 01:58 |
| pupnik | keep at it lcuk_2, if you burn out, take a break | 01:58 |
| sp3000 | (either maemo without the dash or nokia with the dash, for max oddness) | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | /usr/local | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:58 |
| lcuk_2 | for the last couple of weeks i have been putting them in /usr/bin/liq/myexe | 01:58 |
| pupnik | lcuk_2: if you do echo $PATH you can see where bins are executed from | 01:58 |
| lcuk_2 | it works but its not right | 01:58 |
| pupnik | you can also execute a binary locally with ./binary | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | also /opt can be the place | 01:58 |
| Navi | /usr/local/ is for lazy people, like me. | 01:59 |
| lcuk_2 | yer i know that, but i want to position the files on my device as a user will expect to find them | 01:59 |
| Navi | Why a package would install there is beyond me. | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | /usr/local is for stuff | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | for packages it's / or /usr | 01:59 |
| desertc | wow - big difference when you have the right instructions | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | depending how critical it is | 02:00 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, yes, unmanaged stuff. | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | you can also prepare some shell script | 02:00 |
| desertc | hey - whoever is responsible for the AMD64 bit version on Flasher, thank you! most developers ignore linux users and those who don't ignore the 64 bit users. | 02:01 |
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| fysa | http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/superman-blow-u.html | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should yell at that guy to either take those down or fix them. | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:02 |
| lcuk_2 | i use a script for copying everything from scratchbox over after compilation goes smoothly, then execute it with ssh. can i pre-set a "startin" folder so that my exe can find data files stored in the same place as the exe, or is there some kind of api to tell me the exe path? | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | echo $PATH | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:03 |
| sp3000 | fysa: I love the truncation on the url slug | 02:03 |
| sp3000 | too | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | and for setting: PATH=$PATH:your_dir | 02:04 |
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| lcuk_2 | ahhhhhhh | 02:04 |
| fysa | yes. | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | it's a linux | 02:04 |
| lcuk_2 | but that wont tell me which folder i started from, although it may get around not knowing the path to a specific data file | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | pwd is for that | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | or $PWD | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | depending on shell | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | and you can always use: . | 02:05 |
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| KotCzarny | it means 'current dir' | 02:05 |
| lcuk_2 | consider this call: "ssh root@10.0.0.2 /usr/bin/liq/testprog" inside there, if i fopen something without specifying a path it blows. so far i have had to specify the full path, you are saying if i just use "./mydata.file" it should work? | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | i believe you have that in ARGV[0] | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | use dirname(ARGV[0]) | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | and you will get calling path | 02:08 |
| lcuk_2 | :D holy crap batman, you're right. i should have remembered that from my old old old old c days :D thank you | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:09 |
| * lcuk_2 goes and simplifies everything | 02:09 | |
| KotCzarny | you can then chdir() to that dir | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 02:10 |
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| lcuk_2 | yer, it was knowing where i was that was the problem. ive had my head in microsoft land for too long (vb) and whilst my c thinking is coming back, the api is still a bit rough | 02:11 |
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| KotCzarny | $a=file_get_contents("status"); | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | $b=preg_replace("@[,\|]\s*?[a-z][^ ]*?-mr0?@","",$a); | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | $f=fopen("status1","w"); fwrite($f,$b); | 02:11 |
| * KotCzarny loves php | 02:12 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | (script to remove dependencies on -mr*) | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder how long would be that script in C | 02:12 |
| desertc | whew -- this OS2008 is hot | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 02:14 |
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| desertc | the GUI so far is much better optimized to the screen size | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Metalayer-crawler is stuck on a symlink. :P | 02:15 |
| * KotCzarny removed metalayer-crawler from rc2.d | 02:15 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:15 |
| lcuk_2 | i keep having to shutdown some xml indexer thing | 02:15 |
| desertc | has there ever been any discussion about including Gizmo Project with Maemo by default? | 02:17 |
| desertc | I am someone who would like to see SIP communication become more of a standard | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is bundled. | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the installer is. | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | what's 'gizmo' ? | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | looks like some marketing forced app | 02:19 |
| desertc | ah - gotcha - I thought that might be left over from my previous install. I just ran through the install | 02:19 |
| leif__ | desertc, a SIP client is bundled... check the Accounts control panel | 02:19 |
| Navi | LIES | 02:19 |
| Navi | truths | 02:19 |
| * leif__ uses gizmo though | 02:19 | |
| Navi | Why use gizmo? | 02:19 |
| Navi | I like the rtcomm interface better | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, having Gizmo idling all the time eats RAM. | 02:20 |
| leif__ | does rtcomm fetch the phonebook from gizmo's servers yet? | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | general: how to remove gizmo from menu? | 02:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't have a phonebook on Gizmo's servers. | 02:20 | |
| leif__ | didn't last i tried it | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | (same with rhapsody) | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, just install it and uninstall it. | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 02:20 |
| Navi | How lame, how do you go back to the "currently playing" screen on Canola2? | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | should be removable by simple 'delete' button | 02:21 |
| Navi | nevermind | 02:21 |
| Navi | didn't see that obscure button in the top right | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | navi: press L^ button | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | (the one belowe d-pad) | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or remove the .desktops from /usr/share/applications/hildon | 02:21 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, that goes backwards :P | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | it always takes you out of the fullscreen | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | at least that's what i have observed | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:21 |
| * Navi rolls his eyes | 02:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo is fullscreen only. | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Gizmo/Canola2/ | 02:22 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Canola2 is fullscreen only. | 02:22 |
| Navi | s/eyes/tail/ | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no windowed mode. . . . | 02:22 |
| Navi | aw | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | general: i did that, doesn't work | 02:23 |
| leif__ | http://linuxuk.blogspot.com/2008/02/canola2-windowed-mode.html | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | it's probably somewhere else too | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request. | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:23 |
| Navi | Canola = dedicated media player mode, just to show off | 02:23 |
| leif__ | GeneralAntilles, that url would show you about canola2's windowed mode... except google is sending me a 502 error there currently | 02:23 |
| Navi | windowed mode is gross | 02:24 |
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| * KotCzarny will install fluxbox anyway | 02:24 | |
| * leif__ has not tried canola2 since the first beta | 02:24 | |
| KotCzarny | sooner or later | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, worked for me, you sure you removed them? | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | ls: /usr/share/applications/hildon/giz*: No such file or directory | 02:25 |
| k-s | to run in windowed mode just use -n, see --help | 02:25 |
| TuxProbe | ok, so! ive installed scratchbox now - on my i686 arch, but i get the following error when i try login to an sbox session: | 02:26 |
| TuxProbe | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | tux: vdso | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 02:26 |
| TuxProbe | thats it? | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | worked for me | 02:26 |
| TuxProbe | yes true - thx :D | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:27 |
| Navi | Arch as in ArchLinux? | 02:27 |
| Navi | or Arch as in Architecture? | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | 2. | 02:27 |
| Navi | mmk | 02:28 |
| TuxProbe | both hehe | 02:28 |
| Navi | TuxProbe, I posted it on the forums, should of searched there first. | 02:28 |
| Navi | ArchLinux forums, that is. | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | another question, can i remove contacts and bookmarks plugins from nav? | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 02:28 |
| leif__ | KotCzarny, what does dpkg -L gizmo-installer tell you? | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | how? | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it breaks things | 02:28 |
| TuxProbe | im searching google - a lot navi, which forum to be specific? | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the taskbar wont expand to fill the space up | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | general: hmm | 02:28 |
| Navi | [18:24:42] <Navi> ArchLinux forums, that is. <- These forums | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | can they be changed to other functions then? | 02:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Supposedly. | 02:29 |
| desertc | GeneralAntilles: Yes, the SIP account integration is very nice. :-> | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | how? | 02:29 |
| TuxProbe | ah sry i see | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | The plugins that provide that functionality are closed-source, though. | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | So somebody will need to figure out how to write them. | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | but why they aren't removable? | 02:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably because the taskbar isn't fluid. | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | pity | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | i could use that space | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine why Nokia decided to close those. | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The functionality to swap in new plugins there has been there for a while now. | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they're hiding something | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to figure out how they work and give us some more menus. | 02:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Quick and dirty way of solving the hugeness issue of the OS2008 Application Menu. | 02:31 |
| leif__ | The app launching menu is open, at least | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it? | 02:32 |
| leif__ | it is in hildon-desktop, yes | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has anybody tried replacing the contacts plugin with another app launching plugin? | 02:32 |
| TuxProbe | should one go for a OS2008 on the Nokia N800? Whats the big difference between 07 and 08 in the hildon department anyways? | 02:33 |
| * leif__ has thought about it | 02:33 | |
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| n800music | less useless would be good | 02:33 |
| leif__ | but I don't have scratchbox available to me currently | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | TuxProbe, there's only one thing you need to know: OS2008 has 70 free MHz. | 02:33 |
| leif__ | TuxProbe, it also is what all the current and new apps are targeting | 02:34 |
| TuxProbe | yea a little CPU tweak i know | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well that, and it's GTK 2.10 versus 2.6 | 02:34 |
| leif__ | and gizmo 4 vs 3 | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | but then you get slower dsp | 02:34 |
| TuxProbe | but ive read, there are most applications available towards 07 yet | 02:34 |
| leif__ | ... | 02:35 |
| leif__ | look at maemo.org/downloads and see | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | tux: there are many apps for 08 | 02:35 |
| Tama^2 | slower DSP does not affect overall performace really | 02:35 |
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| TuxProbe | not too interested in those anyways, must.. build.. own packages.. hehe | 02:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DSP basically only decodes mp3s | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, uh, who cares? | 02:36 |
| n800music | is the usb thingy stable? | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | "usb thingy"? | 02:36 |
| leif__ | TuxProbe, do you want to build packages for last years abandoned platform, or this year's platform which likely won't be abandoned for many more months still? | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | also plays/records/mixes | 02:37 |
| n800music | usbcontrol | 02:37 |
| * leif__ needs to go | 02:37 | |
| leif__ | ttyl | 02:37 |
| TuxProbe | ciao leif | 02:37 |
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| TuxProbe | sry, carry on :) | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800music, there really isn't much to it. | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really a stable or unstable thing | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It either works or it doesn't, and it seems to work. | 02:38 |
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| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/screenshot00.png | 02:39 |
| n800music | well usb drives tend to fry if disconnected randomly | 02:39 |
| n800music | that's all | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | the less stuff cluttering, the happier i am | 02:40 |
| desertc | wow | 02:41 |
| desertc | really impressed with this upgrade | 02:41 |
| henrique | why do I need to have a memory card plugged in the device to connect it through usb with my computer? | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | because it only exports internal-mmc ? | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it doesn't provide any other functionality? | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | (not flash, not external-mmc) | 02:43 |
| briand | because your computer sees it as one or two media drives | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you expect to keep the device booted if it unmounts the rootfs to mount it on your desktop? | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | read-only | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | or via some emulation | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | but really sshfs roolez | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | (or nfs) | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | briand: i have two cards, but after connecting usb cable i see only one of them | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | how to see other one? | 02:45 |
| briand | put a file on it | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | i have | 02:46 |
| briand | my external sometimes doesn't show if it's empty | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | it's umount cleanly when i connect usb cable too | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | umounted | 02:46 |
| briand | ...and, you have to have that little "door" shut, too. | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | i have | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | it should show up as sda and sdb for example, yes? | 02:47 |
| * briand shrugs | 02:48 | |
| briand | on my Fedora box, it shows up as /media/disk-x and /media/disk-y, where x and y are two (usually) consecutive numbers | 02:48 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:48 |
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| briand | i should probably modify my fstab so that it shows up as /n800/int and /n800/ext, I guess... | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | maybe i have to enable 'scan all luns' | 02:50 |
| Navi | heh | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 02:50 |
| Navi | breaking unix file structure eh? | 02:50 |
| desertc | GeneralAntilles: I think I get what you were saying - you can put in the gizmo account details within the SIP account global settings, and not have to use the Gizmo Project client any more! | 02:52 |
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| michele_ | briand: I think you need to edit/add files in /etc/hal/fdi/, not fstab | 02:53 |
| desertc | Now I can tie multiple SIP accounts together, like I do with Ekiga on Ubuntu | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | echo 7 > /sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/max_luns | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | yes. | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only a little broken http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-broken.jpg http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-duped.jpg | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | i saw that | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | open again to show the entries | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops . . . same picture | 02:57 |
| KotCzarny | not same | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It DOES work | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | One sec | 02:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-duped.jpg | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | btw. you should make icons 64x64 | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | it will align text then | 02:59 |
| * KotCzarny fixed his menus that way | 03:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, don't care. | 03:00 |
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| briand | michele_: hmm. no idea how to go about that | 03:01 |
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| lcdd | KotCzarny: what's the clock app in that screenshot? | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | 'statusbar clock' | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcdd, you follow ITT at ALL? :P | 03:03 |
| lcdd | not lately | 03:03 |
| Navi | lol | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's only been on the front page for the past week and half. . . . | 03:04 |
| KotCzarny | is there a way to make app-menu thinner? | 03:04 |
| KotCzarny | ie. to fit more entries on screen at a time? | 03:05 |
| TuxProbe | 3,48K/s damned be freedesktop :o | 03:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Panels Control Panel doesn't seem ready for most than 3 navigator plugins yet. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wont let me select my duped application menu. | 03:07 |
| desertc | anyway to check what the connection error is for SIP logins? | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | general: it's duped even if you simply delete contacts.desktop | 03:07 |
| desertc | I got one account (Gizmo) connected, but one account (Diamond) did not connect. | 03:08 |
| desertc | haha -- :( -- it was a typo | 03:09 |
| desertc | thanks all for your help - this new OS2008 has me really excited. I was only expecting minor fixes. :) :) :) | 03:11 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | it was that sudo guy? | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | or another? | 03:11 |
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| KotCzarny | off-topic: http://fun.noshit.pl/DIR-2008.02.29/fun_noshit9.jpg | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the sudo guy. | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 03:12 |
| Sho_ | KotCzarny: That guy needs an Internet Tablet. Would be much handier ;) | 03:14 |
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| Navi | Users are too stupid to handle superuser powers. | 03:16 |
| KotCzarny | good thing to be cautious | 03:16 |
| Navi | sudo chmod 600 /usr/bin/sudo | 03:17 |
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| KotCzarny | cp /bin/false /usr/bin/sudo | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:18 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | anyone tried booting from mmc? | 03:21 |
| TuxProbe | internal? yes :) | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | external? | 03:23 |
| TuxProbe | i just got the tablet yesterday, soo... :P | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | ah. n800? | 03:24 |
| TuxProbe | yea | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | what howto have you used? | 03:24 |
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| TuxProbe | borrowed for a project, have it for like half a year for free ;) | 03:24 |
| TuxProbe | hmm the logical one? nothing in specific - just xterm skills | 03:25 |
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| KotCzarny | i would like some bootmenu | 03:25 |
| TuxProbe | howto on sb was a must tho | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | in case anything goes wrong | 03:25 |
| michele_ | KotCzarny: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs | 03:27 |
| TuxProbe | create an image of your ROOT perhaps - be able to reflash it if u brick | 03:27 |
| michele_ | that's the one linked in the wiki page I pointed you to earlier today | 03:28 |
| TuxProbe | more details plz :) for everyone: teach specifics to the needy hehe | 03:28 |
| michele_ | details here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ | 03:29 |
| TuxProbe | how is the initfs compressed? | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's for os2k6/7 | 03:30 |
| TuxProbe | the first boot i made took like.. 5-8 minutes! | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like the internal flash card might be corrupted. | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is really a much better guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 03:32 |
| TuxProbe | flasher.sh took care of it hehe - i found like 1500 emails on storage :) | 03:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Where's my code monkey? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/appmenu-mockup.jpg | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | but it's not that usefull | 03:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Says you. | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | How long have you had your device? | 03:53 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, it's pleasing | 03:53 |
| Navi | thumb-friendly | 03:53 |
| Navi | no need for crappy scrolling | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | me? less than a week | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Exactly. | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your opinion on these matters is void. | 03:53 |
| ynezz | good | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | that's what hibernate would be for | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | and if you want even less clicks use some 'desktop-icons' app | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | forgot the name | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is mostly about freeing up more space in Application Manager. | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Manager/Menu/ | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | but it's on maemo.org | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | simplelaunch | 03:55 |
| ynezz | KotCzarny: it exists? | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that's not the point. | 03:55 |
| ynezz | cool | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/launch/launcher/ | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | btw. do they work? | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | i mean icons in first menu | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a mockup. | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | ah. | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus this filename. . . . | 03:56 |
| briand | ah, so it's a photoshopped wish-list, then | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really a wish-list. | 03:56 |
| briand | s/wish-list/set of demands/ | 03:57 |
| infobot | briand meant: ah, so it's a photoshopped set of demands, then | 03:57 |
| briand | ;) | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.kineticform.com/images/sketch/wish-list.jpg | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a wish list. | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | taller? | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | rabbit? | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is a future application mockup. | 03:57 |
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| briand | yeah. | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, utility thing. | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navigator plugin. | 03:58 |
| briand | 64 impala isn't so cool, anyway. better off with a '72 Malibu | 03:58 |
| qos_ | hey does somebody know something about a wlanreset? i read month ago about it | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better off with a '70 Challenger R/T | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or a '66 Charger 428 | 03:58 |
| briand | well, yeah. | 03:58 |
| briand | or '74 Duster with a 360 | 03:59 |
| briand | ;) | 03:59 |
| * briand 's first car. | 03:59 | |
| * Navi wonders how this random conversation came to be | 03:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Click my links. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | They reveal all. | 03:59 |
| briand | it's a jpeg-enhanced stream-of-consciousness conversation | 04:00 |
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| briand | good to know you're a Mopar fan, anyway. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you needs to be done doing IRL things so I can prod him into productivity again. | 04:01 |
| michele_ | I prefer the 71 Charger | 04:01 |
| briand | I'm guessing you didn't get on the waiting list for the new Challenger, either, huh? | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It looks great. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Took bad they went with the fugly new Charger interior | 04:02 |
| briand | 360HP/325ft-lbs torque... right off the factory floor. :) | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and that gross-as-hell autostick contraptions. | 04:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Vanishing Point = 70 > 71 | 04:02 |
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| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/apache/ | 04:14 |
| KotCzarny | cool. | 04:14 |
| KotCzarny | now php. | 04:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in the maemo hacker repo. | 04:16 |
| KotCzarny | and that means? | 04:17 |
| Navi | >_> | 04:17 |
| Navi | someone should look stuff up | 04:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | s/hacker/hackers/ | 04:19 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: It's in the maemo hackers repo. | 04:19 |
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| KotCzarny | if there are no wires it's not hacking. | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/IMG_0205.JPG | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | ynezz: http://simple-launcher.garage.maemo.org/ | 04:24 |
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| ynezz | dzieky :p | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | czech? | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 04:39 |
| ynezz | tak | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | spoko | 04:39 |
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| ynezz | NOTE: package kismet-2007-10-R1: completed :D | 04:49 |
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| Navi | The IM log viewer sucks >_> | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | u suk | 05:09 |
| Navi | It's only showing one line from each of my conversations | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | you're one-liner | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | that's what it thinks of you | 05:09 |
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| Navi | KotCzarny, troll | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | where? | 05:10 |
| Navi | you | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | nah, i'm a bot | 05:10 |
| Navi | hrm | 05:11 |
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| unixSnob | Suppose I install Sun xVM (virtualization environment) on a SPARC machine, and create a linux machine. Is there a chance the maemo SDK installs on that? I'm not sure if virtualization implies emulation in this case (ie. is an x86 being emulated, or is linux running natively on a SPARC) | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | why not just buy some cheap p3? | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | they go for ~20$ now ;) | 05:29 |
| unixSnob | it's not a lack of hardware problem. I'm looking for an excuse to use my solaris 10 box :) | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | then just do it | 05:30 |
| dospod | use solaris to pwn the web | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:30 |
| dospod | I like solaris its diffrent | 05:30 |
| dospod | and I like diffrent | 05:31 |
| dospod | its I wish it had more hardware support | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:31 |
| unixSnob | I have an osx86, linux box, and windows box as well.. but i should actually try to get down to 1 or 2 boxes w/ all the moving i do | 05:31 |
| dospod | I like the java desktop also its pretty cool | 05:31 |
| shackan | I like ponies | 05:32 |
| dospod | osx86 is well dumb u should just buy a mac mini : ) | 05:32 |
| unixSnob | what does that get me? | 05:32 |
| shackan | don't argue with kids | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | powerpc i guess | 05:32 |
| dospod | a box that runs os x natively | 05:32 |
| dospod | and yea dont argue with me : ) | 05:32 |
| unixSnob | I built the OSx86 using free after MIR parts, mostly. | 05:33 |
| dospod | my mini is intel | 05:33 |
| dospod | that and legit macs are cooler : ) | 05:33 |
| * KotCzarny has b&w g3 | 05:33 | |
| KotCzarny | ..in a closet | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:33 |
| unixSnob | wait, not sure that running osx natively is any different than what i'm doing | 05:33 |
| shackan | this really makes you cool, sir | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | but runs 10.0.3.9 no problems | 05:33 |
| unixSnob | I'm actually running an old version of Tiger. so i'm probably losing ground on features by now | 05:34 |
| dospod | idk I just dont like the os x86 project | 05:35 |
| Navi | Why not? | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | because it's x86 | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | 'another clone' | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:35 |
| dospod | my mini is x86 | 05:35 |
| unixSnob | I heard Apple closed the darwin source as of 10.4.3, yet the osX86 project supports leopard.. how? | 05:35 |
| dospod | but | 05:35 |
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| dospod | the os x 86 is really shady and with the wierd hardware support and what not you might as well buy a mac mini | 05:36 |
| unixSnob | I have a b&w g3 too Kot.. and I had to hack it to make Tiger install | 05:36 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, tiger is 10.4 ? | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | or 10.3 ? | 05:36 |
| unixSnob | 10.4 | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | ah, well | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | i have played with osx for a few days only | 05:37 |
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| Navi | dospod, pfft, Linux is shady with the weird GNU support and what not you might as well buy a tractor | 05:37 |
| unixSnob | That's why I don't get how there is an osX86 project for Leopard | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | nice, but not for me | 05:37 |
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| cLin^ | hi guys | 05:37 |
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| dospod | linux is less shady than os x 86 | 05:37 |
| Navi | Your face. | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | linux runs on alpha | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:37 |
| cLin | I just bought a N800 and its great | 05:37 |
| Navi | cLin, YAY | 05:38 |
| Navi | \o/ | 05:38 |
| unixSnob | who cares about shady? unless you're married to one machine or something | 05:38 |
| cLin | indeed | 05:38 |
| Navi | Hoorays for cLin | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | thinkpads! | 05:38 |
| cLin | kind of confusing to install some things but yay | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:38 |
| shackan | unixSnob: maybe he is | 05:38 |
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| Navi | I blame the maemo repo maintainers | 05:38 |
| dospod | i only have one machine | 05:38 |
| Navi | they overcomplicate things on everything | 05:38 |
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| cLin | what aresome good catalogs to subscribe to? | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org | 05:39 |
| Navi | check out gronmayer.com/it? | 05:39 |
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| unixSnob | even w/ one physical machine, you can always run many virtual machines w/ "shady" support | 05:39 |
| cLin | ok | 05:39 |
| unixSnob | OTOH, linux support is better than COTS support, most of the time. | 05:39 |
| cLin | and also, i can't seem to enable RD mode, don't i jsut type sudo flasher --enable-rd-mode in xterm? it asks for a pw and rootme doesn't work | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | why would you need rd mode? | 05:40 |
| cLin | trying to install python, to install mclock | 05:40 |
| unixSnob | I recall posting to a mailing list for an obscure linux tool "would be nice if the tool did this..." The developer added the feature and sent me a copy w/in a day. I could not pay for better support. | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | you don't need rd mode for that | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:41 |
| Navi | unixSnob, yeah, gotta love Linux devs. | 05:41 |
| cLin | oh | 05:41 |
| cLin | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html | 05:41 |
| cLin | it says i need i though? how do i install it then? | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | just add: deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook free | 05:41 |
| cLin | need it* | 05:41 |
| unixSnob | That was the LaTeX to RTF convertor tool, btw. | 05:41 |
| cLin | ok | 05:41 |
| Navi | Lol, RTF | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | also enable extras | 05:42 |
| unixSnob | I had a prof that mandated word doc submissions. Thats y i needed rtf | 05:42 |
| Navi | :) | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | then just update reps and you should have python in app-manager | 05:42 |
| cLin | how do i enable it?the disable box is unchecked | 05:42 |
| cLin | ok | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | btw. do you have os2008 or another? | 05:43 |
| cLin | os2008 | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 05:44 |
| cLin | i just updated it | 05:44 |
| cLin | i just literally installed os2008 so i have a 16gig sd card and nothing on both the tablet and the card | 05:44 |
| cLin | i also got a gps receievr so im hoping to get everything setup :DD | 05:44 |
| cLin | this is by far the coolest gadget i have gotten for a long time | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:45 |
| cLin | which python packaage? ther'es -edje-demo, feedparser and pyinotify | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | just install app that would need python | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | and it should get what it needs | 05:46 |
| cLin | which app would have it? | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | which app you want to use? | 05:47 |
| cLin | mclock, but i dont see it.. | 05:47 |
| unixSnob | can't stand Sun's website.. so much marketing bullshit, and no where to click to get the real info. | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | clin: where do you look? | 05:48 |
| cLin | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9931 | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | go to app-manager | 05:49 |
| cLin | ok | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | and browse installable apps | 05:49 |
| cLin | im there | 05:50 |
| unixSnob | Supposedly the reason Apple closed the Darwin kernel was to stop osX86 hackers - but considering there is leopard x86 hacked distros, they apparently just alienated the legit development projects | 05:52 |
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| fysa | imagine that. | 05:57 |
| fysa | and here I am shopping a P1620 just for OS X. | 05:58 |
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| unixSnob | i'm glad you mentioned that.. someone was telling me about some super light fujitsu the other day, and he didn't know the model name | 06:00 |
| unixSnob | that looks like just what he was talking about.. i have to check that out | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, super light? macbook air? | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:01 |
| unixSnob | he said they were going for under $200 on ebay | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | well, maybe not light, but thin | 06:01 |
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| Navi | My N800 is extremely warm to the touch <_< | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | navi: warm or hot? | 06:03 |
| Navi | warmish hot | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | ever heard of exploding batteries? | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:03 |
| Navi | :P | 06:03 |
| Navi | it's not on the side where the battery is | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | how would you operate it after it rips off your fingers? | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:04 |
| Navi | it's the right edge where the processor is, along with the top where I assume something else is >_> | 06:04 |
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| unixSnob | fysa - do you plan to put virtual box or vmware on that? | 06:06 |
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| desertc | os2008 --- sooo nice | 06:06 |
| desertc | I am convinced now that everyone needs an N800 =) | 06:07 |
| * KotCzarny needs n810 | 06:07 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:07 |
| desertc | just for the gps ? | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | for the keyboard | 06:08 |
| desertc | oh -- meh - I use this tablet when I am on the go. not wanting to do typing on the road | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | irc. | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:09 |
| Navi | the slide out keyboard is a plus, even without much typing | 06:09 |
| Navi | and the screen | 06:09 |
| desertc | does OS2008 have a built in irc client? | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | pidgin or xchat | 06:09 |
| johnx | or rtcomm beta | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | but i prefer epic | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | (and ssh) | 06:10 |
| Navi | pidgin sucks | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:10 |
| desertc | oh right, pidgin -- where is that program hiding? | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | in app-manager | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:10 |
| desertc | ( I use pidgin for my desktop chat ) | 06:11 |
| unixSnob | pidgin sucks for non-english use.. but it's good otherwise.. supports OTR | 06:11 |
| Navi | pidgin sucks for IRC use | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | pidgin sucks | 06:12 |
| desertc | I don't see pidgin in the app manager | 06:12 |
| Navi | rtcomm beats pidgin at everything else | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | desertc, add maemor.org rep | 06:13 |
| desertc | anyway, I already have google talk in os2008, so I guess I don't need it | 06:13 |
| johnx | desertc, un-disable extras in tools -> app catalog | 06:13 |
| desertc | okay, thanks johnx | 06:13 |
| desertc | the map application is nice - even without gps | 06:14 |
| desertc | too bad you can't get gps data from the cell phone via bluetooth | 06:14 |
| johnx | desertc, you could with an n73 | 06:15 |
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| desertc | lxdoom - nice ;) | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | deesertc: maemo-map is nicer | 06:15 |
| cLin | how come on maemo mapper the google street zoom level 1-3 don't auto download frequently? it's all pixelated and im on my wireless connection at home which is pretty fast | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | clin: options | 06:16 |
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| KotCzarny | uncheck pixel doubling | 06:16 |
| cLin | ok | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | also you can select levels 1 and 3 if you need | 06:16 |
| cLin | also, what zoom levels you guys recommend getting? | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | 1-20 | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:16 |
| cLin | im about to leave this on overnight to download some maps and man, i selected 2,3,4,5,6 and it was 8 gigs | 06:16 |
| cLin | haha | 06:16 |
| cLin | oh sure. | 06:17 |
| desertc | lxdoom is one of those things you can show to people - they will instantly understand how powerful the system is | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | lxdoom? powerfull? | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | it ran on 486 | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | even on amiga! | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 06:17 |
| cLin | is the nokia maps program any good? | 06:17 |
| cLin | should i bother getting maps on it? | 06:17 |
| desertc | but it sets the computers apart from the cellphones | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | (which was 14mhz) | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | clin: use maemo-mapper | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | desertc: not true | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | there are no pure cellphones anymore | 06:18 |
| desertc | the new media player is much better in os2008 | 06:18 |
| cLin | ok | 06:18 |
| desertc | KotCzarny: yes, but can they play doom? | 06:18 |
| desertc | ;) | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 06:18 |
| cLin | and which zoom levels? anything different between VE/google and openstreet or is itpreference? | 06:19 |
| desertc | well - until I see doom running, then it's just a cell phone :) :) :) | 06:19 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Games/Action/Doom-for-Java-22864.shtml | 06:21 |
| cLin | strange, i selected 3,5,7 zoom level and the map size is 12 megs | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | don't forget to configure every map provider | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | they don't share options | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:24 |
| cLin | what if i just want google streets | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | then configure google streets | 06:24 |
| desertc | plays nice too - no buttons for turning tho | 06:25 |
| cLin | for turning? | 06:25 |
| desertc | rotating | 06:25 |
| desertc | spinning | 06:25 |
| cLin | oh | 06:25 |
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| cLin | do any of them have that? | 06:25 |
| desertc | talking about doom | 06:25 |
| cLin | pj | 06:26 |
| cLin | oh | 06:26 |
| cLin | KotCzarny, how big was your map data? | 06:26 |
| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Maps# du -sh | 06:26 |
| KotCzarny | 501.6M . | 06:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:26 |
| cLin | im still trying to figure out why it sso small. people have told me its around 1 gig | 06:26 |
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| cLin | is that assuming you get all zoom levels or something? | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | go to zoom level 16 and download levels 4-16 | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:27 |
| cLin | 4.18megs | 06:27 |
| cLin | confirm download of 696 maps | 06:27 |
| cLin | 4-16 zoom level selected | 06:27 |
| cLin | im under the manage map option for google street | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | enable downloading levels 1-20 | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | when go for 1-16 | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | *grin* | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | then | 06:28 |
| cLin | confiorm download of 21k maps | 06:28 |
| cLin | 246 megs | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | happy? | 06:28 |
| cLin | exactly what region is this downloading? | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | current | 06:28 |
| cLin | oh. | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | centered on your position | 06:28 |
| cLin | that explains it | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | move map if you want another | 06:28 |
| cLin | how would i get like all of US? | 06:29 |
| cLin | or if anything, california | 06:29 |
| KotCzarny | zoom out till you see region you want | 06:29 |
| cLin | oh, ok | 06:29 |
| KotCzarny | and command it to download all the zoom levels | 06:29 |
| desertc | you know, I bought my N800 after seeing so many people using it at linuxfest northwest last year | 06:29 |
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| * KotCzarny bought it after seeing it for 150$ on craigslist | 06:29 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:29 |
| desertc | I figured it was going to be a good thing, with so many linux people using it | 06:30 |
| cLin | holy shit | 06:30 |
| cLin | 12 gigs | 06:30 |
| cLin | haha | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | clin: happy now? | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:30 |
| cLin | fuck no :P | 06:30 |
| shackan | desertc: and it was? | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | one tip: select even levels only | 06:30 |
| desertc | got way more than I ever thought this was going to do | 06:30 |
| cLin | whats the reason? | 06:30 |
| cLin | i actually selected 3,5,7,16 | 06:31 |
| cLin | should i do 2,4,6,14? | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | without 2 | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | i guess 4 is enough | 06:31 |
| cLin | lets see what 4 is again | 06:31 |
| cLin | vs 2 | 06:31 |
| desertc | shackan: with os2008 - I am overjoyed -- this is starting to cross the line of 'too good to be true' | 06:31 |
| cLin | oh, 4 is fine | 06:32 |
| cLin | so 4,6,14? | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | desertc: short battery life | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | clin: whatever suits you | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | make it 4,6,8,10,12,14 | 06:32 |
| cLin | how is maemo mapper for a gps system anyways? | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | shouldn't be much more than 4,6,14 | 06:32 |
| cLin | does it talk? | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | clin: yes, i guess | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | look in the options/help | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | you will have to install flit i think | 06:33 |
| cLin | whats flit? | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know, but docs say it's needed for speech synth | 06:34 |
| cLin | oh | 06:34 |
| cLin | ok | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | sorry, 'flite' | 06:34 |
| cLin | yea, i see it | 06:35 |
| desertc | so - maemo mapper will connect with my cellphone, but my cellphone won't give up the GPS information | 06:35 |
| desertc | so cheap! | 06:35 |
| desertc | I know you have it! There must be ways of making you talk! | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:36 |
| cLin | there isnt a way to download this off my desktop and move it to the card is there? | 06:36 |
| desertc | All cellphone have GPS tracked. It's such a shame they won't give that information to the user. | 06:37 |
| KotCzarny | clin: i don't know, but what's the problem? | 06:37 |
| cLin | press ok and it stalls, then closes | 06:38 |
| cLin | when downloading | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | btw. have you changed map dir to sd card? | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | on / you have only ~100mb | 06:38 |
| cLin | i believe so, under repository right? | 06:38 |
| cLin | gdata.db? | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:39 |
| cLin | oh, is it the file path under options? | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | manage repositories -> cache db | 06:39 |
| cLin | ok | 06:39 |
| cLin | yea | 06:39 |
| cLin | its on my mmc1 card | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | ah | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | download is in another place | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | remove all you map reps | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | then click download 'once' | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | then configure it | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | then close opts | 06:40 |
| cLin | i did that | 06:41 |
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| xuser | Hi! | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | then go to manage maps and select zoom levels | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | and after ok it should start downloading | 06:41 |
| xuser | I bought the N810 thinking it was a phone! | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | xuser: it can be one | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | if you buy wifi data plan | 06:42 |
| cLin | KotCzarny, i found out why | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | and use skype | 06:42 |
| desertc | playing with maemo mapper makes me suddenly want a N810 really badly | 06:42 |
| cLin | apparently 793845 MB != 793 mbs | 06:42 |
| cLin | haha | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | or just hack into some hotspot | 06:42 |
| cLin | wow, california has a lot of data | 06:42 |
| xuser | KotCzarny: i was hoping something of GSM/3G | 06:42 |
| desertc | xuser: I use my N800 as a phone very often - so cheap | 06:43 |
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| desertc | I pay $10 every couple months for my calls | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | xuser, no problem, connect via bluetooth | 06:43 |
| cLin | jesus why is this so big | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | then put the phone in the backpack | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | clin: zoom in | 06:43 |
| xuser | KotCzarny: yeah, looks like i have to carry to devices now. | 06:44 |
| xuser | s/to/two | 06:44 |
| desertc | I put my phone and tablet in my pant pocket together - I tell people I carry the Internet in my pocket | 06:44 |
| cLin | forget it | 06:44 |
| desertc | people then look at me funny and move away quickly, but - hey - price of progress | 06:44 |
| cLin | ill skip zoom lvl 4 | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | clin: do it in steps, fe. zoom to 16, dl 16,14,12,10; zoom to 10, dl 10,8,6,4 | 06:44 |
| xuser | desertc: heh | 06:44 |
| cLin | i dont need to see license plates | 06:44 |
| desertc | xuser - I make VoIP calls over my cell phone's internet connection | 06:45 |
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| fysa | which cell provider? | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | desertc: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4124 | 06:45 |
| cLin | under the manage repository, what does download/view zoom steps mean | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | clin: read help | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:46 |
| desertc | oh, and please look into SIP calls - try and get away from proprietary Skype protocol | 06:46 |
| cLin | ok | 06:46 |
| xuser | desertc: yeah, I understand what you say, but imagin a N810 with GSM integrated, would be awesome. | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | xuser: gsm is rural, hotspots are the way of the future | 06:47 |
| cLin | brb | 06:47 |
| desertc | xuser: imagine public WiFi being everywhere - then we wouldn't have to pay the cell phone companies at all | 06:47 |
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| KotCzarny | desertc: not true | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | it would be true with mesh network | 06:47 |
| desertc | KotCzarny: well - you would pay the cell phone companies, and we would laugh | 06:48 |
| desertc | ;-) | 06:48 |
| unixSnob | Wired has a good article on hotspots.. has a map of all free munipal wifi cities | 06:48 |
| xuser | anyway its better than carrying my laptop everywhere. | 06:48 |
| desertc | xuser: HELL YES | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | could use more battery life though | 06:48 |
| desertc | I gave up my laptop and use my N800 happily smirking at people pulling 8 lbs laptops out of their bag | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | i wouldn't mind 1-2cm | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:48 |
| desertc | KotCzarny: mine runs for 2-3 days on one charge, you? | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | 4-7h | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | but i use it all the time | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | (wifi on) | 06:49 |
| xuser | how do I become root? | 06:49 |
| desertc | my wifi is on all the time, too | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | xuser: install ssh and login into it | 06:49 |
| xuser | KotCzarny: I installed ssh but only the client part :/ | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | then add server part too | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:50 |
| desertc | even when the screen is off, I can SSH into the device | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | desertc: i test apps on it | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | so screen is on most of the time | 06:50 |
| desertc | oh, gotcha! | 06:50 |
| xuser | how do I see which IP is using, i can't 'ifconfig' | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | also i have 2 cards | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | xuser: there should be a info | 06:51 |
| desertc | yeah, I just browse the web 3 or 4 times a day, and make 1 voip call on it each day. I get 2-3 days out of it | 06:51 |
| desertc | *out of a charge | 06:51 |
| desertc | but when I listen to audio or watch youtube, the battery does drain very fast | 06:52 |
| xuser | KotCzarny: yeah, found it. | 06:52 |
| desertc | maybe you need a hand crank, ala one laptop per child ;) | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | also, do /sbin/ifconfig | 06:52 |
| xuser | just getting the hang of it :) | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | desertc: maybe, solar/thermal panels would be cooler | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:52 |
| desertc | hehe | 06:53 |
| desertc | well - I just came in the sing the praises of OS2008 | 06:53 |
| * desertc departs while a choir of angles sing in a halo of light of the OS2008 GUI screen. | 06:54 | |
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| xuser | he's in love whith the tablet | 06:55 |
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| ol_schoola | just wait until he gets an AppleTV | 06:57 |
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| Navi | >_> | 07:00 |
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| ^Jsn^ | Hey does anyone else have problems viewing certain pages on the n810? I am on the maemo download page, and I have a page for a certain download pulled up on my laptop, then i pulled it up on my IT and it only shows half of the page on my n810. I'm wondering if i have the settings wrong for the web browser? | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | half of the page? | 07:02 |
| ^Jsn^ | yeah the top half | 07:02 |
| ^Jsn^ | i've realoaded it a few times and have changed the zoom to 80% but it still doesn't show the whole page | 07:03 |
| ^Jsn^ | reloaded | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | bad css/html ? | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:03 |
| ^Jsn^ | could be | 07:04 |
| ^Jsn^ | do you know if there is a way to add tabbed browsing to the browser on the n810? I could have swarn that i read in one of the reviews that it has tabbed browsing | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | vncviewer.. | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:05 |
| ^Jsn^ | lol | 07:05 |
| ^Jsn^ | nothing within the tablet? | 07:05 |
| ^Jsn^ | maybe a plugin or somethin? | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | or just wait till someone hack firefox into it | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | hacks | 07:05 |
| ^Jsn^ | the included browser is a mozilla browser | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | but only a gecko | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | ie. renderer but not gui | 07:06 |
| ^Jsn^ | oh | 07:07 |
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| ^Jsn^ | does vncviewer work better than rdesktop? | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | rdesktop is for win/m$ | 07:08 |
| ^Jsn^ | no i have the client for maemo | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | f*ck. | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | my stylus fell inside heating appliance | 07:08 |
| ^Jsn^ | damn that's gotta suck | 07:08 |
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| Tama^2 | that's gotta melt | 07:11 |
| ol_schoola | what kinda heating appliance? | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | i can't see it :/ | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | f*ck. | 07:13 |
| ol_schoola | ^Jsn^ vncviewer only sees vnc servers proper, the MS remote desktop is <drumroll> proprietary | 07:15 |
| ol_schoola | actually, IIRC they plugged citrix into a MS logo and called it go, or I could be wrong, stopped caring long ago | 07:15 |
| ol_schoola | go/good | 07:15 |
| ol_schoola | you can turn up a vnc server on winbox if needed, that's what i do | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. tightvnc | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | damn stylus. | 07:17 |
| ol_schoola | whaqt i and my family uses (i make em if they want support ;) | 07:17 |
| ol_schoola | and on the upside, they all now know how to poke holes in the router when needed | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | ssh -R | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:18 |
| ol_schoola | KotCzarny: you get it out? | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | i can't locate it | 07:19 |
| ol_schoola | can you pick up the appliance? | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 07:19 |
| ol_schoola | what is it? | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | kind of pipes that run across the wall | 07:19 |
| ol_schoola | radiant hot water? | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | and some casing | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 07:19 |
| ol_schoola | dismantle, retrieve, reassemble | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | impossible | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | it's old and rusty | 07:20 |
| ol_schoola | if it's hot water and it's just a local loop and fin-tube radiator, you can do little harm pulling off the cover | 07:21 |
| ol_schoola | oh, i see. cast iron? | 07:21 |
| ol_schoola | if it's a standup cast iron job (like This Old House) with a sheetmetal box over it, yank off the box, you won't hurt the radiator unless there is some thermostat (modern) thingy been added to it | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | i can make a photo, but believe me, i can't get inside without damaging it | 07:23 |
| ol_schoola | KotCzarny: you're not in the US then, eh? | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | i am | 07:24 |
| ol_schoola | hrmmm. you in a house/apt/dorm/what? | 07:24 |
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| KotCzarny | apt | 07:25 |
| ol_schoola | describew the unit (I actually am in the HVAC business) | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | like i said, pipes across the wall | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | wnad some housing | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | and | 07:26 |
| ol_schoola | at the floor? | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:26 |
| ol_schoola | aluminum or steel fin tube surrounding pipe? | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's dirty | 07:27 |
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| ol_schoola | is it covered in an old dried cloth tape that's been painted a zillion times? | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | 'dried cloth' ? | 07:27 |
| ol_schoola | are the pipes wrapped with mummified insulation? | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | fins | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | and some stuff, maybe azbestos | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | *grin& | 07:28 |
| ol_schoola | ok, that's good. what idescribed is old school asbestos insulation, which is very bad | 07:28 |
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| godzirra | Soooo.. if you have KDE running, is there no on screen keyboard? | 07:29 |
| ol_schoola | i can't type fast enough, if you have construction from before 1978, it could be | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's dirty enough to be that old | 07:29 |
| ol_schoola | if you think it's asbestos insulation, leave it the f*ck alone, that's the WORST kind | 07:29 |
| ol_schoola | that particular application of asbestos (old hot water pipes) is the kind that breaks up into fine dust very easily, baaaad stuff | 07:30 |
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| ol_schoola | sucvked down more than i want to remember as a kid in the 70's helping out the old man | 07:31 |
| godzirra | Anyone? | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | my stylus.. gone.. | 07:32 |
| cLin | when using maemo mapper, if the region i start heading into has no data for that zoom level, does it automatically zoom out? | 07:32 |
| ol_schoola | haven't gone the KDE route, can't help | 07:32 |
| ol_schoola | cLine: not in my exp | 07:33 |
| cLin | so what happens exactly? | 07:33 |
| cLin | it goes black? | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | ol_schoola: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/p3014051.jpg | 07:33 |
| ol_schoola | Goes to white for me, but this is several versions ago, i haven't used my gps since new year's | 07:34 |
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| ^Jsn^ | i'm having a problem installing a package on my n810. I'm trying to install gdata-python runtime files. I went to http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php and searched for it. It came up with the maemo extra's repository. I have already enabled the extras repository in the applications manager so i went and refreshed the applications list. When i search the installable apps for python all i get is "python2.5-edje-demo" | 07:35 |
| ol_schoola | KotCzarny: leave that thing alone. that's a fan coil. you don't want to tangle with that. it will be a lot cheaper to whittle a new one | 07:35 |
| ^Jsn^ | any ideas? | 07:35 |
| godzirra | I wonder if there's a maemo version of nethack. | 07:36 |
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| KotCzarny | my stylus :/ | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | godzirra: compile one yourself | 07:36 |
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| KotCzarny | but unless you have n810 or bt keyboard that would suck | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | (playing) | 07:37 |
| ol_schoola | i kinda share your pain. sadly, i need to source a screen for my 17" mbp, i broke it | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | and it was stupid way to lose it | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | i was wiping my desk | 07:38 |
| ^Jsn^ | anyone? | 07:38 |
| godzirra | Yeah, I can't imagine it would be very good to play with an on screen keyboard. | 07:38 |
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| godzirra | And while I could talk my boss into buying me an n800, I couldnt swing an 810 | 07:38 |
| ol_schoola | heh, i was wiping my feet (when me and the lappy came crashing down) | 07:38 |
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| KotCzarny | jsn: don't know, wrong repo? | 07:39 |
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| ^Jsn^ | does anyone know of another repository for gdata-python? | 07:39 |
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| ol_schoola | jsn: 1st your nick is difficult to parse with a ^ in it and... | 07:40 |
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| ol_schoola | ...second, you could try plugging the repo URL into your browser and rooting around a bit. | 07:40 |
| cLin | is there anyway to edit the booksmarks on my desktop and move it onto the n800? | 07:40 |
| ol_schoola | while gronmayer is useful, it isn't entirely up to date | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:41 |
| godzirra | lol | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | clin: install ssh-server | 07:41 |
| cLin | ok | 07:42 |
| ol_schoola | you're in a fine mood KotCzarny | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | then use scp | 07:42 |
| godzirra | I got an email from xbox live: "HD DVD Player, now only 49.99!*" The asterisk says "Note: Production has been discontinued. Available HD-DVD content will be limited and subjected to studio availability" | 07:42 |
| godzirra | How the mighty have fallen | 07:42 |
| Tama^2 | sad | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | they will boost sales | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | with that price | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | then it will be back | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:43 |
| Tama^2 | yes, and then say that the sales for xbox acessory have increased lol | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | but seriously | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | it would need hd-dvd-r | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | to catch the audience | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | (for 50$) | 07:43 |
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| ol_schoola | i'm sure they (Toshiba) will find another use for the tech. there's a lot of Sony Beta ENG gear out there today | 07:44 |
| godzirra | No it won't. | 07:44 |
| godzirra | It will continue to fail because studios are refusing to adopt it. | 07:44 |
| ol_schoola | the distribution format might, the technology is still very useful | 07:45 |
| cLin | also, do i need ot install screen? it says -sh screen: not found | 07:45 |
| cLin | i want to use irssi for irc | 07:45 |
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| godzirra | True. | 07:45 |
| doc|home | we do cd/dvd manufacturing and blu-ray sucks. You *have* to use their copy protection and pay 2.5k for the privilege, even though it's already broken | 07:45 |
| ol_schoola | well, the distibution format DID fail, i should correct myself | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | clin: sure | 07:45 |
| * godzirra nods. | 07:45 | |
| KotCzarny | where can one buy n800 stylus? | 07:46 |
| godzirra | 2.5k isn't that bad for a license agreement to manufacture blu ray. | 07:46 |
| ol_schoola | doc|home: the only people that win are the founders of the consortiums. even the studios have to pay ;) | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | is it n770/n810 compatible? | 07:46 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: where are you located? and no, they're different | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | nyc | 07:46 |
| cLin | sure? as in i need to? do i find that on maemo.org/downloads? | 07:46 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: I can't find a place in north america that sells them, if you find a place please let me know :/ | 07:46 |
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| godzirra | KotCzarny: Well, last time i checked, they were in stock at Nokias european web shop. Where you live, and where you can get them from, i don't know. | 07:47 |
| godzirra | according to the itt forums | 07:47 |
| ol_schoola | godzirra: that's punch out the discs, the manufacturers pay 10's of thousands | 07:47 |
| godzirra | ol_schoola: ouch. | 07:47 |
| ol_schoola | tat's to puch | 07:47 |
| godzirra | ol_schoola: ok, that is a little silly. | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | i can ask friend in poland to boy them for me | 07:47 |
| godzirra | KotCzarny: that was cut and paste frmo the forums. I personally have no clue :) | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | well | 07:48 |
| ol_schoola | it's a freaking joke, but it's what's kept a portion of the entertainment economy aflot for decades now | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | i guess it will be generic then | 07:48 |
| godzirra | Hmm.. that was also 2007. | 07:48 |
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| doc|home | I tried on the Irish nokia site (I'm irish but living in canada) and they don't seem to be available, I'm considering finding a place that will make them and getting a batch of clones made if it's not too expensive | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | generic would be cheaper i think | 07:49 |
| godzirra | Post on the internettabletalk forums. You'd probably find a few people willing to go in with you. | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 07:49 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: yeah, but you can't find generic ones either :/ | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | stylus dilers | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:49 |
| doc|home | or at least I couldn't | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | doc: generic-pda stylus | 07:49 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: yeah, but they won't slot into the back, which is something I'd really miss | 07:49 |
| godzirra | Wow. nokia has all sorts of useless crap on their site | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | better than nothing | 07:50 |
| godzirra | but no stylus. | 07:50 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: aye | 07:50 |
| doc|home | godzirra: yep | 07:50 |
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| vetetix | hi everyone, i've got a problem with my n810: i have no sound during calls (either gtalk calls or gizmo) | 07:53 |
| vetetix | i have normal sound, like music and everything | 07:53 |
| vetetix | and i have sound during dialing (ring ring sound) | 07:54 |
| vetetix | but as soon as the call starts, i have no sound anymore | 07:55 |
| vetetix | neither me nor my correspondant hears anything | 07:55 |
| vetetix | can someone help me ? | 07:55 |
| cLin | anoter maemo mapper question. with no internet anywhere, how can i get routes? it seems it runs it throuhg a website to find the route | 07:56 |
| vetetix | cLin, maybe you can download routes in advance | 07:57 |
| vetetix | prepare your trip when you still have an internet connection | 07:58 |
| cLin | well im thinking of on the spot | 07:58 |
| cLin | like if im lost somewhere, i can pull this out | 07:58 |
| cLin | so im guessing there'sno way to do it? | 07:58 |
| vetetix | i'd say no | 07:58 |
| cLin | ok | 07:58 |
| cLin | well i have my cruddy data plan but ifigure ill see if there's a non internet way first | 07:59 |
| vetetix | but i've never used it (i've read the documentation though) | 07:59 |
| cLin | ok | 07:59 |
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| cLin | you dont use gps? | 07:59 |
| vetetix | i tried it once, with wayfinder | 08:00 |
| ^Jsn^ | does anyone know if there is a way to turn the backlight off when the n810 is turned off but plugged in? Even though the backlight is black it is still illuminated with the pluged-in icon on the screen | 08:00 |
| cLin | i thought u had to pay for wayfinder | 08:01 |
| KotCzarny | jsn: display options? | 08:01 |
| vetetix | no, the maps are "free" | 08:01 |
| ^Jsn^ | no it's not in there | 08:01 |
| Navi | You only have to pay for it if you want turn-by-turn directions | 08:01 |
| godzirra | Wow. KDE is kind of ugly on the n800. | 08:01 |
| KotCzarny | on n800 there is | 08:02 |
| godzirra | And I can't figure out how to get an on screen keyboard.. Hrm. | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | display and leds -> display stays lit -> never | 08:02 |
| godzirra | So out of curiousity, what does everyone use their maemo device for? Its a very odd device. | 08:02 |
| cLin | gps once ig et it working | 08:02 |
| vetetix | nobody for my sound problem? | 08:02 |
| cLin | the playing videos part is nice | 08:02 |
| Navi | godzirra, email/rss | 08:02 |
| pupnik | Get a bluetooth keyboard and use it as a computer godzirra | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | godzirra: i will use it as a media player/irc/browser/ebook reader | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | and skype calling to europe | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:03 |
| cLin | Navi, what rss reader do you use? | 08:03 |
| Navi | built-in one | 08:03 |
| cLin | actually, it'll be nice if i can somehow integrate my feeds from google reader into this | 08:03 |
| cLin | but i dont want to enter in each feed | 08:04 |
| godzirra | Navi: I can't get it to check my company's gmail. :( | 08:04 |
| Navi | Use modest | 08:04 |
| godzirra | I dunno why. Clawz never connects. What mail program do you use? | 08:04 |
| Navi | modest | 08:04 |
| cLin | whats modest? | 08:04 |
| Navi | an email client | 08:04 |
| Navi | for fuck's sake. | 08:05 |
| godzirra | heh | 08:05 |
| Navi | Jesus Christ | 08:05 |
| godzirra | I wish I could get ereader on here. without it being palm emulated. | 08:06 |
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| cLin | anyone know if i use an email client with gmail and check my email, would it reflect as read on gmail server so when I login to gmail.com it won't show me emails i have read as unreader | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | godzirra: fbreader | 08:06 |
| cLin | fbreader | 08:06 |
| Navi | fbreader | 08:06 |
| godzirra | It doesn't read ereader formatted books. | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | 1st! | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:06 |
| * cLin shakes fist | 08:06 | |
| KotCzarny | godzirra: convert? | 08:06 |
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| godzirra | Heh. DRM ftl. | 08:06 |
| Navi | cLin, I haven't found any clients that do that. | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | fsck drm | 08:07 |
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| cLin | Navi, figured. might as well ask | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | download ebooks from p2p | 08:07 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 08:07 |
| unixSnob | eVince would be better.. supports Djvu files in addition to pdf | 08:07 |
| cLin | only one i know of is google mail for mobile :) | 08:07 |
| cLin | wish they would make one for n800 | 08:07 |
| godzirra | I'm in the ebook industry. That'd be "bad form" | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, as for google mail.. use browser? | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:07 |
| Navi | go ahead | 08:07 |
| KotCzarny | godzirra: drm is bad. | 08:07 |
| godzirra | The company I work for is pushing for more drm free ebooks. | 08:08 |
| cLin | KotCzarny, yes, of course, but if its an email client, there's a better chance there's some sort of visual/audio notification | 08:08 |
| cLin | unless they have google mail notifier for this | 08:08 |
| vetetix | still nobody for my sound problem? :-( | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | google mail supports pop3/imap | 08:08 |
| godzirra | Navi: Where can I get modest? | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | so any email client will do | 08:08 |
| Navi | The modest repository. | 08:08 |
| cLin | KotCzarny, i know but thats not my question | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | and what it was? | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:09 |
| godzirra | Thats helpful. ;) | 08:09 |
| cLin | im saying if icheck my emails for today on the email client, would it show as read when i login to gmail.com | 08:09 |
| unixSnob | The whole point of eBooks is drm. They want shrink wrap EULAs on books. | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | clin: that depends on your email client's configuration | 08:09 |
| godzirra | unixSnob: Most publishers refuse to release books in ebook format without some sort of drm, unfortunately. | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | you can set it up any way you like | 08:09 |
| cLin | so it possible? | 08:09 |
| cLin | i always thought it wasn't | 08:09 |
| unixSnob | exactly | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | clin: yes | 08:10 |
| cLin | is it possible on the built in mail client? | 08:10 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't know | 08:10 |
| cLin | ...is the built in mail client even any good? | 08:10 |
| cLin | ok | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | i use yahoo | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:10 |
| unixSnob | The idea is that everyone switches to eBooks, signs EULAs that hard book reading consumers would never sign, and then phase out the hard book | 08:10 |
| cLin | what option am i looking for | 08:11 |
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| KotCzarny | 'leave mail on server' | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | and 'mark as read ..' | 08:11 |
| doc|home | unixSnob: nah, it'll never happen, there'll be an option to buy non-drm e-books, just like there'll be an option to download non-drm music | 08:11 |
| godzirra | There is an option now to buy non drm usic. | 08:11 |
| unixSnob | DRM for books is entirely different | 08:11 |
| doc|home | godzirra: sure, at a greater cost | 08:12 |
| doc|home | amazon's not great either | 08:12 |
| cLin | oh god, finally finished downloading maps | 08:12 |
| * doc|home should add a disclaimer that he's working on such a system due to release in a matter of weeks :) | 08:12 | |
| godzirra | You didn't sasy there wasn't a good option to buy drm music. You said there wasn't one :) | 08:12 |
| cLin | if i leave on auto download, would it check for a data file first and download if none exist or does it go straight todownload map | 08:12 |
| unixSnob | We've already seen that the motion picture industry is not following the music industry | 08:12 |
| doc|home | godzirra: hehe, fair point | 08:12 |
| doc|home | unixSnob: not yet | 08:12 |
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| doc|home | unixSnob: their time will come too | 08:13 |
| godzirra | Hrm. | 08:13 |
| unixSnob | that's what they want you to think | 08:13 |
| godzirra | So I went through all this truoble to install KDE on the n800, and it is kind of sucktastic. | 08:13 |
| Navi | Motion picture industry not following the music industry? | 08:13 |
| cLin | really? | 08:13 |
| cLin | i was going to try out KDE | 08:14 |
| Navi | Blu-ray discs are fucking DRMed | 08:14 |
| cLin | heard it was slow though | 08:14 |
| godzirra | Well, for one, I can't find a way to bring up an onscreen keyboard. | 08:14 |
| godzirra | and it is hellaciously slow. | 08:14 |
| unixSnob | There's an article in wired this month talking about it. | 08:14 |
| godzirra | unixSnob: how is the motion picture industry not following music? | 08:14 |
| doc|home | Navi: a drm which was broken... and by the way, have you looked at a torrent site recently? I'd expect it's hard to find a mainstream movie which isn't on piratebay or somesuch | 08:15 |
| Navi | Blu-ray movies are DRMed, and it's not your standard DRM. It's got a public/private key system on top of that. | 08:15 |
| doc|home | Navi: one which has been broken | 08:15 |
| dookdook | i heard that the nokia n800 has a hardware limitation that it can really only process a movie file at 30fps if its around 400x240 (half the screen) but will start to bog down if its full (800x480). has anyone else heard this? | 08:15 |
| doc|home | dookdook: there are limits but there's a really nice conversion script | 08:16 |
| unixSnob | i still have to read the article. that was just the abstract of it | 08:16 |
| doc|home | dookdook: look for tablet encode or tablet_encode on garage.maemo.org | 08:16 |
| dookdook | doc|home, thanks, but i'm not so interested in the scripts to lower the resolution to the movie files as i am about understand the limitation | 08:17 |
| doc|home | it's pretty good, only thing it didn't do was add indexing so you can skip through a movie | 08:17 |
| dookdook | i've played doom at full resolution, and it works fine...how is it accomplishing that? | 08:17 |
| doc|home | dookdook: hmm, not sure, but the proc is only a 400mhz and video is cpu intensive if it's not GPU accelerated | 08:17 |
| dookdook | (sorry, quake) | 08:17 |
| godzirra | heh | 08:17 |
| Navi | dookdook, it doesn't matter if it's been broken. My point was that the film industry is following the music industry. | 08:18 |
| unixSnob | it's talking about Apple's movies still being DRM'd.. they can only be watched on apple products | 08:18 |
| dookdook | navi, wha? | 08:18 |
| godzirra | well yeah. | 08:19 |
| godzirra | the only big thing apple has going over it vs. zune (besides size) is that their store is better. | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: which ones? | 08:19 |
| unixSnob | the article is basically saying the film industry needs to go drm-free, but so far no sign of it | 08:19 |
| godzirra | if you could watch itunes media on any other media player, apple would die. | 08:19 |
| Navi | s/dook/doc|home/ | 08:19 |
| infobot | Navi meant: doc|homedook, it doesn't matter if it's been broken. My point was that the film industry is following the music industry. | 08:19 |
| dookdook | doc|home, so you think quake is using the gpu and thats how it gets the speed that it does whereas things like mplayer or whatever use just the cpu? | 08:19 |
| Navi | ffs | 08:19 |
| unixSnob | article didn't specify which hardware | 08:19 |
| Navi | dookdook, there's no hardware acceleration. | 08:20 |
| dookdook | navi, so how does quake run so fast? | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | define 'fast' | 08:20 |
| Navi | quake was designed to run on ancient hardware | 08:20 |
| dookdook | maybe i misjudged..30fps? | 08:20 |
| Navi | we have a 400MHz ARM core to work with | 08:21 |
| doc|home | dookdook: no idea to be honest, but quake was designed back when 400mhz would have been a very fast processor. High res movies were only possible, well, actually, only about 8 years ago without hardware acceleration | 08:21 |
| Navi | it's enough to run Quake at decent speeds | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer can manage quite well | 08:21 |
| unixSnob | ha, and amazon's and netflix versions of movie downloads can be watched on most devices, /except/ apple. | 08:21 |
| doc|home | yeah, the quality is more than good enough when transcoded | 08:21 |
| godzirra | I havent tried amazon's or netflix's download. Are they any good? | 08:22 |
| Navi | dookdook, google around, you'll find that the reason video quality sucks is due to the bus from the CPU to the LCD controller | 08:22 |
| godzirra | and how do they keep people from just ripping them and posting them on the net? | 08:22 |
| Navi | dookdook, otherwise, it would of been able to run videos fine | 08:22 |
| unixSnob | "Hollywood is determined to protect DVD sales at the expense of electronic downloads" | 08:23 |
| unixSnob | (from the article) | 08:23 |
| Navi | meh | 08:23 |
| dookdook | navi, yeah, i think thats what i heard... | 08:23 |
| dookdook | but i'm still confused as to how quake gets around that limitation (if it does at all?) | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://xkcd.com/129/ | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:24 |
| unixSnob | None of the online download services offers anything close to the 90,000 available by mail. | 08:24 |
| godzirra | i'm sure they don't. | 08:24 |
| unixSnob | 5k avail on amazon, and 6k avail for instant netflix viewing | 08:24 |
| godzirra | Yeah. Not even close. | 08:25 |
| unixSnob | 1,000 on itunes | 08:25 |
| Navi | dookdook, lower resolution | 08:26 |
| Navi | well, it's being upscaled. | 08:26 |
| ^Jsn^ | has anyone installed gdata client yet? | 08:27 |
| godzirra | whats gdata? | 08:27 |
| unixSnob | Richard Stallman has a good talk regarding eBooks | 08:27 |
| ^Jsn^ | google data. it allows you to sync gpe calender with google calender | 08:27 |
| dookdook | navi, i see, thanks. so how does that upscaling work exactly? you can't just write four of the same pixel to the framebuffer, right? how do they accomplish it? | 08:27 |
| unixSnob | i bought into his conspiracy theory on the spot | 08:28 |
| Navi | dookdook, pixel doubling | 08:28 |
| dookdook | navi, is it like an option that you set in the hardware somewhere, so that the hardware knows to cound whatever pixel your write as double? | 08:29 |
| godzirra | Navi: is there a way to tell it to leave the messages on the server? in Modest I mean? | 08:30 |
| Navi | using pop3, tick the "leave messages on servers" box, wherever it may be in the settings | 08:31 |
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| godzirra | if it was that easy I'd have foudn it already :) As long as there is one, I 'll find it though. | 08:32 |
| godzirra | ah found it | 08:32 |
| godzirra | Hrm. Not fetching my messages. But no errors. odd. | 08:34 |
| cLin | how do i force an app to close | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | kill | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | or killall | 08:35 |
| cLin | no gui or shortcut? | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | use terminal | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | and ps ax | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | then kill | 08:35 |
| godzirra | Hrm. I guess you can't use pop over gmail for domains. | 08:37 |
| godzirra | :( | 08:37 |
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| ^Jsn^ | what is the default root password for the n810? | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | interesting | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | -vo null makes 720x448 video play smooth | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | i mean -ao null | 08:47 |
| Navi | -vo null makes it very smooth | 08:47 |
| czr | it uses the 0x0 pixel offscreen rendering trick? ;-) | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | but seriously, -ao null made it smooth | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | Opening audio decoder: [dspmp3] MP3 audio pass-through for Nokia 770/N800 (fake decoder) | 08:48 |
| czr | KotCzarny, how many fps? | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | 24fps | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | VIDEO: [XVID] 720x448 12bpp 23.976 fps 571.9 kbps (69.8 kbyte/s) | 08:48 |
| czr | hmm. the dsp is used for video decoding as well I guess? | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | audio decoding | 08:48 |
| Navi | cool, I'll have to chex quest it out | 08:48 |
| czr | ah. hmm. | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | but it fails at open | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | Opening audio decoder: [dspmp3] MP3 audio pass-through for Nokia 770/N800 (fake decoder) | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | ADecoder preinit failed :( | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | and then it falls back to libmad | 08:49 |
| Navi | I hate this computer | 08:49 |
| Navi | it's been four hours and webkit's still not done | 08:49 |
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| godzirra | night folks. | 08:53 |
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| KotCzarny | erm. | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | stopping media-launcher reboots the device | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:06 |
| Navi | yay | 09:07 |
| Navi | \o/ | 09:07 |
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| Navi | KotCzarny, hei, you're right | 09:10 |
| leif__ | Navi, WebKit? What are you building? | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:10 |
| Navi | it's not that bad with -ao null | 09:11 |
| Navi | leif__, just building webkit with --use-hildon | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | also killing esd helps a little | 09:11 |
| leif__ | !!! | 09:11 |
| leif__ | pls report back, i've been waiting to hear about someone trying that | 09:11 |
| Navi | I just want to mess around with the demo browser it comes with | 09:12 |
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| Navi | still framedrops a bit | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | feeding mp3 stream to dsp would be nice :/ | 09:12 |
| Navi | have you tried? | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | googling | 09:14 |
| Navi | -ao dsp :P | 09:14 |
| ^Jsn^ | what is the command to exit RD mode? | 09:14 |
| Navi | er | 09:14 |
| Navi | ^Jsn^, huh? | 09:15 |
| Zic | I'm looking to the Moblin project, it seems to have some great feature ; I don't know it before | 09:15 |
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| ^Jsn^ | you have to enter rd mode to get into root access of the n810. once your finished, how do you end the session so that you are sure that you are logged out of root mode | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | -ao gst -ac dspmp3 | 09:16 |
| Navi | mmk | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | but it fails | 09:16 |
| Navi | orly | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/maemo-options.html | 09:16 |
| Navi | but it runs at such a nice framerate :3 | 09:17 |
| leif__ | does anyone know the status of WebKit for EAL? It was available in collabora's git repo, but then it disappeared (without any explanation that I've been able to find) | 09:19 |
| * Navi shrugs | 09:20 | |
| Navi | could of been gobbled up by the monster | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it fails because audio stream is aac | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | or it isn't. | 09:21 |
| Navi | nah | 09:21 |
| Navi | my avi's mp3 | 09:21 |
| Navi | it can't find the dspmp3 codec | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder why it fails | 09:21 |
| * Navi adds it to the list of things to build and install | 09:22 | |
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| Navi | Heh | 09:23 |
| Navi | the people of the past talked about it as well. | 09:23 |
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| Navi | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/#maemo.2007-09-05.log.html | 09:24 |
| Navi | ah, that's right | 09:25 |
| Navi | I haven't installed libgst yet | 09:25 |
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| KotCzarny | i did | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | libgst0.10-dsp | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | unless you are talking about something else | 09:26 |
| Navi | I have it too, nevermind >_> | 09:27 |
| cLin | do i neec to eject my sd card or can ijust take it out? | 09:27 |
| cLin | in the tablet | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | clin: it will probably eject when you open battery cover | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | but i'm not sure | 09:28 |
| cLin | i am using the one behind the stand | 09:28 |
| cLin | what do you do then? | 09:28 |
| Navi | you pull it out | 09:28 |
| Navi | it doesn't eject :P | 09:28 |
| cLin | i mean | 09:28 |
| cLin | like how window has that "eject" command | 09:28 |
| Navi | oh | 09:28 |
| Navi | it complains if the card's is in use | 09:29 |
| Navi | you don't have to worry about ejecting it | 09:29 |
| cLin | ok | 09:29 |
| cLin | time to test my video out | 09:29 |
| cLin | how do i move apps into my selection folder | 09:32 |
| Navi | control panel, under panels | 09:33 |
| cLin | thank you | 09:34 |
| cLin | oh, has anyone had experiences with anti glare protectors? i don't know whether toget those for the under the sun or to get a normal screen protector | 09:34 |
| Navi | baxwave | 09:35 |
| Navi | boxwave stuff is nice | 09:35 |
| Navi | boxwave cleartouch anti-glare | 09:35 |
| Navi | hard to apply though | 09:35 |
| cLin | i know the brands, im more curious about the experience with the types of protectors | 09:35 |
| cLin | i heard anti glare tends to blur the screen | 09:35 |
| Navi | just a tad | 09:35 |
| cLin | due to how it's made | 09:35 |
| cLin | i wish i could test one out | 09:36 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, I like how they used a sad face when the codec fails | 09:36 |
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| Navi | ooh, webkit's done | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | * Fixed issue #1962 ('mp4(divx) playing VERY slowly with MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0') | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | that's .25 | 09:38 |
| * KotCzarny has .24 | 09:39 | |
| cLin | anyone use Nokia 770/800 video converter? | 09:39 |
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| Navi | .25 is in the testing extras, I believe | 09:39 |
| cLin | it has an option for srts...do i add them or does it find it themselves? | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | which repo? | 09:39 |
| Navi | :/ | 09:40 |
| Navi | Extras Testing | 09:40 |
| Navi | if not, my bad. | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | can't find it | 09:41 |
| Navi | after I copy over webkit, I'll get back to fiddling with mplayer | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | extras-devel | 09:44 |
| Navi | it's in there? | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/ | 09:45 |
| Navi | sexy | 09:45 |
| Navi | report back when you try it :) | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | how do i upgrade with dpkg ? | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | nvm | 09:47 |
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| KotCzarny | looks slower | 09:48 |
| Navi | haha | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | for a moment | 09:48 |
| Navi | but overall? | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | same experience | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | same benchmark | 09:48 |
| Navi | mmk | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | ie. not much than 0.1fps difference | 09:49 |
| cLin | haha | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder why gst isn't working | 09:50 |
| leif__ | Navi, did you try webkit yet? | 09:51 |
| Navi | still copying | 09:51 |
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| KotCzarny | wow | 09:52 |
| Navi | ? | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | .25 supports video position | 09:52 |
| Navi | heh | 09:52 |
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| KotCzarny | -lavdopts lowres=1 | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | 15->21fps | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:54 |
| Navi | :) | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | nearly usable | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | *almost | 09:54 |
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| Navi | KotCzarny, where do you live? | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | nyc atm | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | but more like 'internet' | 09:56 |
| Navi | Kind of late, ain't it :) | 09:56 |
| Navi | There's this other guy in another channel whom I asked where he lived to badger him about staying up late | 09:56 |
| Navi | he said NYC as well. | 09:56 |
| cLin | is there some sort of battery monitor besides the built in one for the status bar? | 09:57 |
| Navi | nah | 09:57 |
| cLin | something that gives informtion other thwn1 hr | 09:57 |
| cLin | then | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | clin: cat /sys/something | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | google for exact location | 09:57 |
| Navi | nice :P | 09:57 |
| cLin | ? | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | killing esd ->23fps | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | aaalmost | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | but feeding it to dsp would be so effective :/ | 10:00 |
| Navi | :) | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | maemo-launcher eats 3% cpu | 10:04 |
| Navi | wow, that was a bad idea. | 10:04 |
| KotCzarny | but i won't kill it again | 10:04 |
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| Navi | I accidentally copied the webkit folder instead of my /usr/local/ | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:05 |
| Navi | ran out of memory card space | 10:05 |
| Navi | hey pupnik | 10:05 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | life | 10:05 |
| leif__ | cLin, see http://nitapps.com/ | 10:06 |
| cLin | whats this? | 10:06 |
| cLin | does it work for n800? | 10:06 |
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| BugBlue | if you have OS2008 .. propably | 10:07 |
| leif__ | there is a program there that says it will tell you how many percent full your battery is | 10:07 |
| * leif__ has not tried it | 10:07 | |
| Navi | Dogma, you're not Dogma! | 10:07 |
| cLin | is the bookmarks folder a file or something i can edit | 10:08 |
| pupnik | "Politics - like war - robs words of their meaning." - Lew Rockwell http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=showname&ID=275 | 10:09 |
| Navi | sexy | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | wireless-tools, nice | 10:09 |
| * Navi wonders if any morons have packaged anything to /usr/local | 10:10 | |
| KotCzarny | 4.0M /usr/local | 10:10 |
| leif__ | cLin, bookmarks are stored at /home/user/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml | 10:10 |
| pupnik | Navi, I symlink /usr/local/share to mmc vfat | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | would be nice idea to mount mmc on /usr/local | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | but ext3 etc | 10:12 |
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| pupnik | KotCzarny: i like the idea too - but it needs consideration by gurus. It would be good to have a category of programs on MMC that might not always be there. | 10:13 |
| Navi | I'm usually neat with my /usr/local crap | 10:13 |
| pupnik | So if you remove the mmc containing some things on /usr/local, the icons temporarily disappear from menus | 10:13 |
| pupnik | But there is a class of applications (i.e. games) that are space-intensive, and not necessarily programs users would want always-present | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | /usr/local is for user alone | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | packages shouldn't use it | 10:14 |
| pupnik | why is it owned by root then? | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | because it's on / ? | 10:15 |
| pupnik | hmm | 10:16 |
| pupnik | "The Linux File System Standard (and therefore Debian GNU/Linux) requires that subdirectories under /usr/local/ be entirely under the user's discretion. Therefore, users can unpack `foreign' packages into this directory, and then manage their configuration, upgrade and removal individually." | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's like asking why /usr/src is owned by root | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:16 |
| Navi | yeah | 10:16 |
| Navi | /usr/local/ is usually unmanaged user crap | 10:16 |
| Navi | if your system variables are set up right, and you're good about your /usr/local/, removing an mmc mounted as local would be pretty painless | 10:18 |
| cLin | i installed the hildon-plankton theme in my installable packages but when i set the theme to plankton, it remains as the one i had before even though it says Plankton is the currentone | 10:19 |
| cLin | what gives? | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you had it already | 10:20 |
| cLin | no | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | but under different name | 10:20 |
| cLin | it was right when i installed os2008 | 10:20 |
| cLin | i wiped it clean | 10:20 |
| Navi | where does scratchbox stick /usr? | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | damn, .25 with -ao null IS smooth | 10:22 |
| Navi | heh | 10:22 |
| Navi | full framerate? | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:22 |
| Navi | sexy | 10:22 |
| cLin | and is it better to put my sd card into the internal or external slot? | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | at 720x448 | 10:22 |
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| KotCzarny | and WITHOUT downscaling | 10:22 |
| Navi | cLin, If you're going to be taking it out a lot, or only have one, external | 10:22 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, nice | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | damn esd :/ | 10:23 |
| cLin | i read something with the tablet using additional memory from sd card internally. is it talking about ram? | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | clin: swap | 10:23 |
| Navi | found it | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | maaaan, full fps | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | even at fast scenes | 10:24 |
| Navi | nice | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | but no sound :/ | 10:24 |
| Navi | Lol | 10:24 |
| Navi | play some music in the background and pretend it's a montage | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | damn | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | playing sound -> framedropping hard | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | sound off, smooth | 10:26 |
| Navi | fuck | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. | 10:26 |
| Navi | the N800 won't read my SD | 10:27 |
| Navi | I hate it when it does that | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | spank it | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | that video looks crispy on n800 | 10:28 |
| Navi | Ah, a restart always works :) | 10:29 |
| cLin | what are you two watching :) | 10:29 |
| Navi | Not porn | 10:29 |
| cLin | hah | 10:29 |
| * Navi waits for the slow arm core to finish extracting his tarball | 10:33 | |
| KotCzarny | you extract you bars from tar using arm? | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | *your | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | *balls | 10:35 |
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| Navi | :P | 10:38 |
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| * Navi should really set up an nfs | 10:38 | |
| KotCzarny | nah, sshfs | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 10:38 |
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| Navi | :P | 10:39 |
| leif__ | cLin, can you switch between the four built-in themes? | 10:40 |
| cLin | yea | 10:40 |
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| cLin | actualyl let me double check | 10:40 |
| Navi | :P | 10:40 |
| cLin | hrm, strange.i cant | 10:40 |
| leif__ | perhaps a reboot would fix it? | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 10:41 |
| leif__ | or if you've got a shell, killall -1 hildon-desktop | 10:41 |
| Navi | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1204012983.html | 10:41 |
| Navi | sexy | 10:42 |
| cLin | let me try.. | 10:42 |
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| cLin | it restarted, sitll doesn't work | 10:44 |
| cLin | wow, this is strange | 10:44 |
| Navi | I hate that the maemo sdk takes over my sound system | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | renice | 10:44 |
| Zic | hmm, Hildon will be a part of the GNOME Mobile & Embeded project, great ! | 10:45 |
| * KotCzarny shrugs | 10:45 | |
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| leif__ | cLin, that is very strange :/ | 10:53 |
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| Navi | How do I add /usr/local/lib to the lib path? | 10:56 |
| Navi | I forgot >_> | 10:56 |
| KotCzarny | /etc/ld.so.conf | 10:56 |
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| KotCzarny | and ldconfig | 10:56 |
| Navi | ah | 10:57 |
| Navi | right | 10:57 |
| Navi | btw, the demo webkit browser is running | 10:57 |
| Navi | leif__, it runs nicely. | 10:58 |
| leif__ | faster than microb? | 10:59 |
| * Navi shrugs | 10:59 | |
| Navi | on a fresh startup, microb vs the demo browser, it's 22MB vs 17 MB, not a huge difference, 'specially if you include the fact that the demo browser lacks in features | 11:00 |
| Navi | What's a good javascript intensive site to go to? | 11:01 |
| Navi | I'll see how well it does there | 11:01 |
| KotCzarny | http://rendering.web.fc2.com/ | 11:01 |
| Navi | ooh, web benchmarking | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | works best if you save testpage to /tmp | 11:03 |
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| kikka | Hello. | 11:04 |
| Navi | hi | 11:04 |
| Navi | damn, it's _really_ late | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | define 'late' | 11:04 |
| Navi | yes :P | 11:04 |
| Navi | late as in it's almost morning for you | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | does it matter? | 11:04 |
| Navi | The ITs don't like those pages too much | 11:04 |
| Navi | >_> | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:05 |
| Navi | 72.577 for webkit | 11:05 |
| kikka | Hm, I try to flash it like it is in the howto. Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 11:05 |
| kikka | then I press power + home, and it turns on | 11:05 |
| kikka | But it don't boot, it displays Nokia and the USB-emblem | 11:06 |
| kikka | ... any ideas? | 11:07 |
| Navi | 76.48 for gecko | 11:08 |
| Navi | minor difference | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | 5% | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:08 |
| Navi | kikka, it's not supposed to boot, it's supposed to flash | 11:08 |
| Navi | only a few seconds worth | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | still, better than nothing | 11:09 |
| alp | Navi: let me know if you find any bad cases, we haven't really started optimising for IT yet | 11:09 |
| alp | still early days :-) | 11:09 |
| kikka | Navi: Okay, but it do nothing... | 11:09 |
| Navi | Hey, I didn't know alp was in here too | 11:09 |
| kikka | I must do something wrong. | 11:09 |
| kikka | Hm, this is not the original-nokia-dke-cable... does it matters? | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | you will burn in hell for that!!!!11!!1! | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:10 |
| kikka | ... Okay, it doesn't matters... | 11:11 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 11:11 |
| Navi | alp, well, it's promising if you can get comparable speeds using an unoptimized layout engine against one that is :D | 11:11 |
| kikka | Than I'll try it not with power+home, but with the charger... | 11:11 |
| alp | Navi: i have a bunch of patches that make it fly, can't wait to start landing some of this | 11:11 |
| Navi | Sweet. | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | tabs | 11:12 |
| alp | the biggest win is the new compositing backing store, which is a decent win on the desktop but for some reason _really_ helps on the device | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | extensions | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:12 |
| Navi | ^^ | 11:12 |
| leif__ | alp, is the EAL integration dead now? | 11:12 |
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| alp | leif__: it went proprietary and i stopped working on it. i think it's better to build a tidy new interface around the engine (or port epiphany/midori) | 11:14 |
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| alp | the problem with EAL is that it's another abstraction. as long as you sit behind an abstraction, you can't do really cool stuff | 11:15 |
| Navi | Ew, why'd it go propretary? | 11:15 |
| Navi | proprietary* | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | money? | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:15 |
| Navi | ha | 11:16 |
| leif__ | I thought EAL sounded great when I first read about it, but I guess I can imagine how more layers of abstraction could be restrictive | 11:16 |
| * leif__ is unsurprised to hear of more Nokia soft being less open than it initially appears | 11:17 | |
| alp | i was excited about it then, but it's become clear that you can write a fairly full featured browser in a fraction of the code taken to abstract opera/mozilla/webkit into one API | 11:17 |
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| Navi | in terms of css, Demo-7346ms, MicroB-10000ms | 11:17 |
| kikka | Hm, but, it could be really important to use the original cable. | 11:17 |
| * Navi shrugs | 11:17 | |
| KotCzarny | kikka: why? | 11:18 |
| alp | so i will concentrate on making sure webkit stays the best engine, but it's really up to the maemo community to figure out what to do on the browser front | 11:18 |
| Navi | alp, yeah, that's the case with the layout engines nowadays | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | integrate it into desktop | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | as ie | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:18 |
| alp | but if someone comes up with a fantastic browser or apps, i'll definitely request a git/svn account and lend a hand :-) | 11:19 |
| kikka | KotCzarny: Dunno. It doesn't work here. When I plug in the charger it's charge the n770... okay, well, the n770 should be fully charged, my fault.... | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | anyone programmed dsp in n800? | 11:19 |
| Navi | MicroB's clearly overtaken Opera on the browser front | 11:19 |
| Navi | I can't wait for some webkit optimizations | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4149 | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:20 |
| leif__ | alp, would the demo browser Navi is using not be worth distributing a deb of currently? | 11:20 |
| Navi | It's not. | 11:20 |
| Navi | :P | 11:20 |
| alp | it's .. pretty basic | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | more basic than pretty? | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:21 |
| Navi | all it does is forward/back and type in the address | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | same with microb | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:21 |
| Navi | Lol | 11:21 |
| leif__ | yeah, that is what i was about to say :) | 11:21 |
| leif__ | but really i know, microb does have a few features ;) | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:22 |
| Navi | I'll gladly upload the tarball of my /usr/local as well as the demo browser. | 11:22 |
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| Navi | But there's not much to see | 11:22 |
| kira_sama | hey guys - are there any tools out there to benchmark the speed of my nokia's memory card? | 11:23 |
| johnx | hdparm or dd | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | kira_sama: hdparm -t /dev/mtdblk0 | 11:23 |
| Navi | untar a tarbomb! | 11:23 |
| Navi | those are awesome. | 11:23 |
| kira_sama | cool - i'll give it ashot. | 11:23 |
| kira_sama | thx | 11:23 |
| Navi | What I'm more interested in is fast mplayer playback :3 | 11:24 |
| truls | how fast do you need it? | 11:24 |
| * KotCzarny tries to learn how /dev/dsptask/mp3dec works | 11:25 | |
| Navi | full framerate no downscaling! | 11:25 |
| Navi | that's how fast I want it. | 11:25 |
| johnx | Navi, for what resolution? | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | full | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:26 |
| * truls would assume no downscaling meant 800x480 | 11:26 | |
| johnx | You know the situation with the LCD controller right? | 11:26 |
| johnx | 18MB/s is all you get... | 11:26 |
| Navi | Yes, I know. | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: without sound 24fps is crispy | 11:26 |
| Tama^2 | johnx, can we do 800x480 12fps with vsync? | 11:27 |
| pupnik | Until you understand the custom programming that has gone into mplayer on the tablet, you can not expect to improve it | 11:28 |
| Tama^2 | or 18MB/s is not enough for that | 11:28 |
| cLin | for the n770 video converter is there a size limit? i tried putting a 700 meg video file and it won't open it | 11:29 |
| Tama^2 | I am happy with lower fps as long as there is no tearing, it gives me headaches ;_; | 11:29 |
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| KotCzarny | echo $[800*480*2*25/1024/1024] | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | 18 | 11:29 |
| Navi | I can't stand the tearing while browsing. | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | looks like 25fps @ full is possible | 11:29 |
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| Navi | KotCzarny, with -gst, no sound, but I get everything sexy smooth | 11:39 |
| Navi | s/-gst/-ao gst/ | 11:39 |
| infobot | Navi meant: KotCzarny, with -ao gst, no sound, but I get everything sexy smooth | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:40 |
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| KotCzarny | i guess gstreamer is b0rken on my os | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | and yours too | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | or not completely installed | 11:40 |
| * Navi shrugs | 11:40 | |
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| Navi | it's one of the benefits of watching dubbed animes, I guess ;) | 11:41 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, 25fps @ 800x480 you mean? | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: full screen playback | 11:42 |
| johnx | I kind of doubt it | 11:42 |
| johnx | maybe 20fps | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer .25 plays fine | 11:43 |
| johnx | just a standard .avi with mp4 video? | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | without sound | 11:44 |
| johnx | I guess I'll try it | 11:44 |
| johnx | and that's with fast motion and without any framedrop set? | 11:44 |
| Navi | mplayer -ao gst -ac dspmp3 = Wow, I didn't know video on the N800 could go that fast. | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | navi: your gstreamer isn't working | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | (mine too) | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | so, no sound | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:45 |
| Navi | Yeah, well, it's still faster than -ao null | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 11:45 |
| johnx | it used to work nicely in OS2007... | 11:45 |
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| KotCzarny | how do you use it anyway? | 11:46 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, tell me if you ever get it to work | 11:46 |
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| KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2271 | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know if it's related.. | 11:53 |
| Navi | " Resolution: WONTFIX" | 11:53 |
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| Navi | pretty funny. | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/tmp/1.mp3 ! dspmp3sink | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | works | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:56 |
| Navi | huh? | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | decodes, plays | 11:56 |
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| Navi | mmk | 11:56 |
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| KotCzarny | let's see if mplayer would work now | 11:57 |
| kikka | Flashing is weird. | 12:01 |
| johnx | eh? | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: how to persuade mplayer to work nicely with gstreamer? | 12:02 |
| johnx | in OS2008? I don't know if it doesn't work out of the box | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | and in os2007? | 12:02 |
| johnx | it just worked | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | command line? | 12:03 |
| johnx | mplayer foo.avi | 12:03 |
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| KotCzarny | Requested audio codec family [mp3] (afm=mp3lib) not available. | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | Enable it at compilation. | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | humm | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | ah, unrelated. | 12:05 |
| kikka | :-/ | 12:06 |
| kikka | WHy don't this crap work for me? | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | wow. i crashed n800 | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | with gst-launch | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | WOW | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | video @ full, nosound; another term: gst-launch somemp3 | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | no slowdown | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | so it's possible! | 12:10 |
| pupnik | mplayer in os2008 no longer uses dsp for mp3 playback | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik but why? | 12:10 |
| pupnik | because running the dsp drops the cpu down to 333mhz, according to ssvb | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | but from what i see it plays ok | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | no slowdown at all | 12:11 |
| pupnik | then perhaps the video playback wasn't cpu limited. | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | trying to use esd as audio output slows it HEAVILY | 12:11 |
| pupnik | interesting | 12:11 |
| pupnik | can you share a 15 second clip? | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | it's big.. | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | but i can try | 12:11 |
| pupnik | ok nm | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | is dd cut ok? | 12:12 |
| pupnik | i don't know enough to diagnose | 12:12 |
| pupnik | i'm just curious | 12:12 |
| pupnik | should be fine | 12:12 |
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| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/1.avi | 12:14 |
| Koshi | Hmm, was under the impression that slow video could be explained by slow access to storage media? | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | koshi: no | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | well, partially true | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: test1: mplayer, esd as -ao (default) | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | test2: mplayer -ao null, in another window: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/tmp/1.mp3 ! dspmp3sink | 12:16 |
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| Koshi | Well, was thinking that perhaps a slow sd card was used internally? But i dont have a class 6 sdhc one to try | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | koshi: i have an impression that esd is the culprit.. | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | and mp3dec (dsp sink) are a free cycles | 12:17 |
| pupnik | ty KotCzarny | 12:17 |
| Koshi | To be fair, i know little about different mpayer decoders/options :) | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | koshi: n800 has a dual core cpu | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | one core is dsp | 12:18 |
| pH5 | the arm11 is scaled down to 330MHz as soon as a dsptask is active, does anybody know why there is no operating point with full frequencies for both cores? | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | when doing software decoding -> esd it uses core1 (cpu) | 12:19 |
| pupnik | pH5: power | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | when doing cat > dsp (core2) you free core1 | 12:19 |
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| Koshi | Yes they (ti) did claim to do dvd playback with it if i read the documentation correctly. Thats why limited sd card bandwidth was on my mind. | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, but isn't it that 'full speed dsp, 330 cpu' or 'half speed dsp, 400 cpu' ? | 12:20 |
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| KotCzarny | and for mp3 decoding half speed dsp is sufficient | 12:21 |
| pH5 | pupnik: just consumption or some current limitation? I'm wondering if I'd kill my device at 400MHz cpu / 220 MHz dsp | 12:21 |
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| space2 | Hi, I have problems installing inside scratchbox: | 12:22 |
| space2 | after a clean installation (and adding the repositories) it downloads the i386 package list instead of armel | 12:22 |
| space2 | (I'm using the SDK_ARM target) | 12:22 |
| space2 | I fixed this by creating an apt.conf and forcing architecture to armel | 12:22 |
| space2 | but now when installing dpkg has errors: | 12:23 |
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| KotCzarny | Runs at an underclocked 330MHz on OS2007, due to the fact that the DSP speed will be halved if run at full speed | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | (wikipedia) | 12:23 |
| space2 | package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386) | 12:23 |
| space2 | what could be the problem? | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 2 (v6l) | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | BogoMIPS : 160.68 | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | ah, cpufreq, sorry | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | quote: | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | I also remember Igor talking about an unsupported rate with both DSP at full speed and the ARM at (or perhaps) above full speed. Was that a post on itt or the mailing list/irc? | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:26 |
| pupnik | you're right KotCzarny in this example it's faster with dspmp3sink | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, then why, oh why, and who crippled mplayer and n800? | 12:27 |
| pupnik | perhaps there were a majority of examples in which it was faster to not use dsp | 12:27 |
| pupnik | s/were/was/ | 12:27 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: perhaps there was a majority of examples in which it was faster to not use dsp | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | they fixed a bug in .25 | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | but it would be nice to bring mp3dec dsp back to mplayer | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | it would rock :> | 12:28 |
| pupnik | mplayer -ao gst is broken? | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | try for yourself | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | at least on os2008 | 12:29 |
| pupnik | bizarre -ao gst is faster than -ao null | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | because it can't open audio-out | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | and doesn't bother with audio stream entirely | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | No, there's no explicit hw support for any audio codec, there are hw acceleration functions in the DSP that make decoding it easier (but then these functions are used by most/all audio codecs so it's nothing specific to mp3) | 12:30 |
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| pupnik | must be! | 12:30 |
| pupnik | i get full 24 fps, apparently with -ao gst | 12:30 |
| pupnik | and dropouts with -ao null | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | but read the log | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | 'decoder init failed, no audio' | 12:31 |
| pupnik | yes | 12:31 |
| pupnik | well this looks great | 12:31 |
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| pupnik | now i have to transcode some high def | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:32 |
| pupnik | esp something with widescreen | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | bother maemo/mplayer people first | 12:32 |
| pupnik | i'll just compile mplayer with dsp support :P | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | to bring gst back | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | great :> | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | report if it works | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | and how well | 12:32 |
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| pupnik | if it builds ok, i'll give it to you to test, i'm busy | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | i can build it myself i think | 12:36 |
| pupnik | ok good | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | unless i go to sleep | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | where to get .25 source? | 12:39 |
| pupnik | svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/mplayer | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | thx | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12464 | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | nice talk about cpu/dsp | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | that svn command sucks all branches? or what? | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-December/013555.html | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | and this one | 12:46 |
| pupnik | oh maybe it should just grab 'trunk' | 12:46 |
| pupnik | sry | 12:46 |
| pupnik | you can see what a huge, monumental project it is... | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | gbs are cheap nowadays | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:47 |
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| space2 | , | 12:51 |
| kikka | Shame on me. | 12:52 |
| kikka | I updated it via windows xp | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | you have got what you deserved then | 12:53 |
| kikka | yep. | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | it would be nice to have 2 versions of mplayer | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | one for maximum power | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | other for maximum battery | 12:54 |
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| pupnik | what did you use to transcode that intro KotCzarny | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | nothing | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | i cut it with dd | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | from the movie | 12:57 |
| pupnik | straight from dvd? | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | let me check it with mplayer | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | Clip info: | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | Software: VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.1 (build 2439/release) | 12:58 |
| pupnik | I just have no 800-wide sources | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | need bigger chunk? | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | download some from apple.com | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:59 |
| pupnik | no no - i do have something HD | 12:59 |
| pupnik | for the tablets i usually drop the audio down to 64kbit though | 13:00 |
| pupnik | full res does look sweet | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | yes. | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | crispy as hell | 13:00 |
| pupnik | ah it's 720 so it's scaling up | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | turn off zooming | 13:00 |
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| KotCzarny | but still good testcase | 13:01 |
| pupnik | what's the zoom cmd | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | it's in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | or -nozoom | 13:01 |
| pupnik | ok nozoom works | 13:03 |
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| pupnik | strange it looks wider than 720 tho.. or are those really 40 pixels of black on the sides | 13:03 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | isn't arm big endian? | 13:03 |
| pupnik | usually | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | interesting that mplayer in sb guessed as little endian.. | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | oh, well | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it will work :) | 13:05 |
| pH5 | pupnik, KotCzarny: do you have a link to fanoush's 400/133 dsptask patch? | 13:05 |
| pH5 | I can only find the precompiled kernels. | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, isn't it autoconfiguring? | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're ARMEL. | 13:05 |
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| KotCzarny | ph5: also, isn't os2008 already patched for 400mhz cpu? | 13:08 |
| sp3000 | Resistance is ...e er | 13:08 |
| jaska_ | you will be barrel shifted? | 13:08 |
| sp3000 | something like that no doubt | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, fanoush's kernel will prefer 400/133 over 320/220, I believe. | 13:09 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: I mean for the dsptask operating point. OP_0 is running at 400/133, but a running dsptask forces OP_1 on os2008, which is 330/220. | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | So the DSP wont immediately force-- ^that | 13:10 |
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| pH5 | I'd like to have a kernel where OP_1 can be switched between 400/133 and 330/220 from userspace. | 13:10 |
| pH5 | (or the dsptask policy can be switched between OP_0 and OP_1) | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | still, it would be nice to have mplayer decoding streams with dsp | 13:11 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: if that works at 400/133, it might be even worth it. ssvb tells us that a 330/220 it is not. | 13:12 |
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| KotCzarny | from what i have seen it's beneficial | 13:12 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik can confirm | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:12 |
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| pupnik | in this one case it appears to make all the difference to use dsp | 13:13 |
| pH5 | do you have dspmp3 working with mplayer already? | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | but not integrated | 13:13 |
| pH5 | care to post your patch? | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | no patch | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | just a testcase | 13:14 |
| pH5 | now I'm curious. how did you get it to work? | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | ie. mplayer -ao null && gstreamer mp3 | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | vs. mplayer -ao esd | 13:14 |
| pH5 | hm, but at -ao null mplayer doesn't synchronise video frame rate with the audio. | 13:14 |
| pH5 | sure you're running the video at full fps? | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it was only for testing | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | if it will start framedropping | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | but apparently it worked ok | 13:15 |
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| KotCzarny | but doing: mplayer -ao null && mplayer -vo null -ao esd framedropped | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik says mplayer ran happily with gstreamer mp3dec in os2007 | 13:17 |
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| mojhojhojho | @find flv | 13:18 |
| pupnik | people like that make me wish i had a botnet | 13:19 |
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| pH5 | KotCzarny: great, that sounds promising. | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | yes i guess | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | if it was working in the past | 13:21 |
| pH5 | although it might just be the demux running twice or something like that. | 13:22 |
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| KotCzarny | nice, n800 has aacdec in dsp too | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | In addition, my hack which used dspmp3sink | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | from MPlayer, now has problems with audio/video synchronization in OS2008. | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | So looks like it is a good time to drop it. Using DSP for MP3 audio was a | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | useful trick on Nokia 770 and OS2006, but right now everything is reversed | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | for N800/N810 and OS2008. | 13:28 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 13:28 |
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| pupnik | trying to make an 800x3?? film here | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | that vid was 720x450 | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's more thatn 800x3?? | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | {standard input}:107: Error: selected processor does not support `smulbb fp,lr,r9' | 13:32 |
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| KotCzarny | that's for compiling mplayer. | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 13:33 |
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| pH5 | KotCzarny: make deb-n8x0 | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 13:42 |
| pupnik | Most things not playing smoothly at high res KotCzarny - requires some tweaking | 13:42 |
| pH5 | you need to tell debian/rules the device so it can decide whether to use armv5 or v6 optimization | 13:42 |
| space2 | bn ul;j'j,' | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: but still it's a lot better than esd | 13:42 |
| pupnik | haven't tested with sound yet | 13:43 |
| pH5 | yuck, my lcd backlight just died | 13:43 |
| KotCzarny | all by itself? | 13:43 |
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| pH5 | laptop, not n810. let's try a reboot. | 13:45 |
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| pH5 | better | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | compiling fun.. | 13:55 |
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| KotCzarny | n810 cost ~1000$? | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 14:02 |
| pupnik_ | trying these atm | 14:02 |
| pupnik_ | -oac mp3lame -af volnorm -af channels=1 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=10500:mode=3:vbr=0:br=64 -vf-add crop=680:240 -vf-add scale=800:266 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=600:me_quality=6:vhq=4:lumi_mask:gmc -ofps 25 -force-avi-aspect | 14:02 |
| pupnik_ | oops at dupe | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | that's mencoder? | 14:02 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 14:02 |
| pupnik_ | oh and the aspect is 3.0 - bad paste | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | but i'm getting lots of these errors | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | 2 bytes of audio data lost due to buffer overflow, len = 20482 42 0 42% | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | no idea what to do about it | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | btw for animation you can try | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | -xvidencopts bitrate=400:vhq=4:lumi_mask:cartoon | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | i also like to experiment with dark mask to throw away data in dark regions | 14:05 |
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| pupnik_ | for e.g. i have a couple of stand up comic routines where i completely threw away all the dark background data | 14:07 |
| pupnik_ | got amazing compression :) | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | deleting is unbeatable at compression ratios.. | 14:08 |
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| lcuk_2 | whats the most logical time on this device to switch from directly allocating and reading a file into memory and using memory mapped files? ie bytesize. or is it better to memmap all files? | 14:09 |
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| pupnik_ | KotCzarny: i'm starting to suspect you might be right about this stuff. Mp3 playback is seriously compromising decoding speed | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | bad news are coming from mplayer source | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | something is broken when initializing gst | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | #ifdef HAVE_MAEMO | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | /* Only OS2006 and OS2007 are supported */ | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 15:01 |
| pupnik_ | btw what codec is a step down for cpu load | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 15:01 |
| pupnik_ | right now i'm trying [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | video isn't a problem i guess | 15:02 |
| pupnik_ | since there are so many pixels we might get more usable results with a less expensive codec | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | if you want speedup you can use downscaling.. | 15:02 |
| pupnik_ | yes it is, the cpu is pegged playing back 600kb/s ffodivx | 15:02 |
| pupnik_ | of course i could go down to 400x133 pixels | 15:04 |
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| KotCzarny | -lavdopts lowres=1:fast | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | add that option then | 15:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:05 |
| pupnik_ | good lord | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:08 |
| pupnik_ | it did cut mplayer down from 91 to 70% | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | and resolution too | 15:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody who actually uses Pidgin comment on whether it has a desktop applet? | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | pidgin sucks | 15:10 |
| kikka | Weird: my app manager prints "operation failed" when I update the app-list. | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | No kidding. | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | kikka: open terminal and check apt-something | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just wondering if it has an applet. | 15:10 |
| kikka | KotCzarny: Okay | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Last time I used it way before rtcomm was even on the radar it didn't. | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | don't remember what to put instead of something | 15:11 |
| KotCzarny | see logs in app-manager for that | 15:11 |
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| kikka | KotCzarny: Hm, what is the standard root pw? | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | probably none | 15:12 |
| jaska_ | hrrm, my 810 seems to like to crash and reboot | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | when i installed ssh-server it asked me what to set it to | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | jaska: reflash | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:13 |
| jaska_ | kot, well.. i havent installed anything weird yet | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | rootme | 15:13 |
| jaska_ | was just browsing and the screen goes weird, then reboots | 15:14 |
| kikka | KotCzarny: apt-cache show vim works | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaska_, have you installed anything recently or screwed around with something you shouldn't have? | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | maybe mmc corruption? | 15:14 |
| kikka | mmc? | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | sd | 15:14 |
| kikka | Possible. | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | it's called mmc in maemo | 15:14 |
| kikka | How can I fix that? | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an SD card. | 15:15 |
| jaska_ | nothing special, just a local version of osso-xterm without the stupid scrollbar, but its under a different name... even packaged it | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, 770 is mmc. | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | general: but mounts at /media/mmc* | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | and scripts have mmc all over inside | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a throwback to the 770. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's still an SD card. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mount points really don't have anything to do with the card itself. | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | still, my facts hold true | 15:15 |
| jaska_ | mine does have the oversized partition on the internal 2GB card tho | 15:16 |
| kikka | What is the mmc corruption? | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | kikka, apt downloads packages to the rs-mmc card | 15:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | so if the card is corrupted (and mounted ro), then it'll fail ungracefully. | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaska_, format it asap. | 15:16 |
| jaska_ | was oversized out of the box heh | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was a bug they caught in preproduction | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . and failed to fix in shipping units. <_< | 15:17 |
| jaska_ | heh | 15:17 |
| jaska_ | need to backup the contents first.. | 15:17 |
| pupnik_ | KotCzarny: is there another audio codec for which mplayer will use the dsp | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | probably not | 15:19 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, ... | 15:19 |
| pupnik_ | hmm how about we just try running the os2007 binary | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | unless someone rewrites libmad for dsp | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, try it | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | and let me know if it runs | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | but it won't | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | because of that check i have pasted earlier | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | it checks for os2007 or os2006 | 15:20 |
| pupnik_ | oh | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | i have disabled the check | 15:21 |
| jaska_ | hmm, no fdisk in here.. | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | and now looking why it coredumps | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | jaska: copy from sb | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | or wait, not | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | it crashed with illegal instruction | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | (fdisk) | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | connect usb cable | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | and run fdisk on pc | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | efs2progs should give you fdisk. | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | fsidk is in unix-utils | 15:23 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 15:23 |
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| jaska_ | util-linux | 15:26 |
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| kikka | It's not the mmc, I boot without it and it crashs again... | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | then your / can be corrupted too | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:26 |
| kikka | ... cool | 15:27 |
| kikka | reflashing? | 15:27 |
| vinilios_ | anyone using sb2 ? is there any way to execute af-sb... with sb2 ? | 15:27 |
| pupnik_ | i'm still overwhelmed by mencoder options | 15:28 |
| * KotCzarny recompiles mplayer | 15:28 | |
| jaska_ | if resizing the mmc partition doesnt help guess ill reflash and reinstall my stuff | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | with bigendiannes enabled | 15:28 |
| jaska_ | havent touched the kernel yet etc tho :) | 15:28 |
| kikka | Okay, I reflash it... | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | (By consuming all memory root process can make the device so slow | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | that HW watchdog reboots it.) | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:29 |
| jaska_ | biggest pig on mine is the browser | 15:30 |
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| KotCzarny | kikka, you can try disabling watchdog | 15:30 |
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| jaska_ | ehh, now it crashed while i was restoring the backup to the resized and reformatted mmc | 15:33 |
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| pupnik_ | wb t_s_o | 15:37 |
| jaska_ | it probably had the mmc still mounted or something | 15:38 |
| t_s_o | pupnik_ | 15:38 |
| jaska_ | waah, crashed and rebooted again | 15:39 |
| pupnik_ | wow 'less' is taking 45% cpu | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | less is more | 15:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:41 |
| pupnik_ | oh it's part of the mencoder process | 15:41 |
| pupnik_ | bizarre | 15:41 |
| pupnik_ | still compiling KotCzarny | 15:42 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 15:42 |
| pupnik_ | do you sometimes see a green line at the bottom of a video ? | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know | 15:42 |
| jaska_ | cat /proc/bootreason | 15:43 |
| jaska_ | 32wd_to | 15:43 |
| jaska_ | hmmh, wd_to, watchdog timeout i guess | 15:43 |
| pupnik_ | it's going to take me like 30 tries to get one encode right | 15:48 |
| truls | pupnik_: what's your goal, anything more than generic encoding? | 15:49 |
| pupnik_ | see what my best results with 800 wide playback can be | 15:50 |
| truls | aha | 15:50 |
| truls | sorry, i should probably have read the backlog | 15:50 |
| pupnik_ | but right now all tests yield 2 bytes of audio data lost due to buffer overflow, len = 26.2% 152 0 34% errors | 15:50 |
| pupnik_ | maybe i'll try lavc instead of mp3lame | 15:50 |
| pupnik_ | yep it was mp3lame's fault | 15:52 |
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| pupnik_ | dude KotCzarny this is a serious issue you found | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 16:00 |
| pupnik_ | it's hitting performance hugely on everything - every codec and res i try | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | esd sucks. | 16:00 |
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| pupnik_ | it may also be farking with the L1 cache | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 640x480 plays very smoothly here with audio off. :\ | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | general, no shit? | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's messed up. | 16:02 |
| pupnik_ | 800x385 widescreen very nice too | 16:02 |
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| KotCzarny | esd is messed up | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's REALLY messed up. | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | dsp can fetch data with dma | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | leaving cpu for other things | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got a 2nd N800, somebody want to write a ad-hoc/BT playback sync application? | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | One for audio, one for video. :D | 16:03 |
| * KotCzarny is trying to get mplayer working with gst | 16:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, this is ridunkculous. | 16:04 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-December/013554.html | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | What kind of mp3 decoding can the DSP handle at 133MHz? | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: yes, i saw that | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | but | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | consider two power schemes | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ power hungry playback | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ power saving mode | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes you just want to watch the video | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb, but the problem is | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | that vid@cpu+aud@dsp runs SMOOTH | 16:06 |
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| KotCzarny | vid+aud@cpu NOT | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | even considering 330/220 in 1/ and 400/133 in 2/ | 16:07 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: try '-ao sdl', esd has performance problems | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | sdl uses esd | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | for playback | 16:07 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: '-vo sdl' is slower than '-vo esd' in mplayer | 16:08 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: i don't touch -vo | 16:08 |
| KotCzarny | only -ao | 16:08 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: oops, quite the opposite in fact | 16:08 |
| KotCzarny | but still, sdl uses esd for playback | 16:09 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: here is a fixed version: '-ao sdl' is faster than '-ao esd' in mplayer :) | 16:09 |
| KotCzarny | sdl uses esd for playback. | 16:09 |
| Navi | norning | 16:09 |
| Navi | :3 | 16:09 |
| Navi | Still awake? | 16:09 |
| KotCzarny | and if you don't believe me kill esd daemon and rename /usr/bin/esd | 16:09 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: it does not matter, mplayer esd driver is what is at fault, how sdl is implemented is irrelevant | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: -ao sdl FRAMEDROPS | 16:10 |
| pupnik_ | ssvb is anyone looking into the sync problem with dspmp3 playback? | 16:11 |
| KotCzarny | -ao gst doesn't. | 16:11 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: try running mplayer with -benchmark option and post the results | 16:11 |
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| KotCzarny | ssvb, bah. | 16:11 |
| KotCzarny | ask pupnik | 16:11 |
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| pupnik_ | KotCzarny: ssvb knows 10x more about this stuff than you and me put together | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | or try for yourself | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, but you saw my testcase | 16:12 |
| pupnik_ | yes, performance dropped severely | 16:12 |
| ssvb | pupnik_: I think implementing audio driver over dsppcm task (bypassing gstreamer) is the right option | 16:13 |
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| KotCzarny | ssvb: i agree | 16:13 |
| Navi | still talking about this, eh? | 16:13 |
| KotCzarny | but getting gst is probably easier to get working | 16:13 |
| ssvb | pupnik_: I'll try benchmarking again in a few minutes | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | because it's there only b0rken in os2008 | 16:14 |
| Navi | Have you tried it with os2007? | 16:14 |
| pupnik_ | ssvb, high res playback on n810 is amazing :) | 16:14 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: good luck, patch is very much welcome | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: yeah, as soon as my scratchbox compiles mplayer | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | right now it thinks arm is little endian | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | and when told otherwise it barfs at some irrelevant defines | 16:15 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: here are some more details: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1273&group_id=54&atid=269 | 16:16 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: but ARM *is* little endian indeed | 16:16 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: more precizely, ARM cpu supports both big and little endian mode, which is selected by operating system | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | how can i check? | 16:17 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: maemo and most other ARM systems use little endian | 16:17 |
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| pupnik_ | mplayer only using 71-74% cpu playing 800x385 mpeg-4 @600b/s video | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb, still, the only way to have full size smooth playback is to send audio decoding to dsp | 16:18 |
| pupnik_ | xomap 10-17% | 16:19 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: put some int value into memory (0x12345678), convert the pointer to (char *) and read one byte, depending on endianness you will either read 0x12 or 0x78 | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | or just write video decoder using dsp core | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:19 |
| michele_ | wait. mplayer can do full res playback now? | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | michele: it could all the time | 16:19 |
| michele_ | not on my tablet | 16:19 |
| Navi | Heh | 16:20 |
| ssvb | pupnik_: try -benchmark option, it will show the exact number of frames dropped, so the performance can be measured more or less scientifically | 16:21 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 16:22 |
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| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Video# mplayer -benchmark -frames 200 -ao null 1.avi | 16:22 |
| KotCzarny | BENCHMARK%: VC: 69.4968% VO: 11.3117% A: 11.7174% Sys: 7.4740% = 100.0000% | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | BENCHMARKn: disp: 216 (19.91 fps) drop: 34 (13%) total: 250 (23.05 fps) | 16:23 |
| Navi | >_> | 16:23 |
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| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Video# mplayer -benchmark -frames 200 1.avi | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | BENCHMARKs: VC: 7.381s VO: 1.576s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.426s = 9.383s | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | BENCHMARK%: VC: 78.6659% VO: 16.7921% A: 0.0000% Sys: 4.5420% = 100.0000% | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | (no frame drops) | 16:23 |
| Navi | Lol | 16:23 |
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| KotCzarny | so decoding mp3 in cpu makes it bad | 16:23 |
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| pupnik_ | in your second run you did not use -ao gst? | 16:24 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: sure it does, but decoding in DSP makes it even worse (at least that was the result of my last test) | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | in second it disabled audio decoding entirely | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: not true | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | i will show you results | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | when i find gstreamer line | 16:24 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: I can be wrong of course | 16:24 |
| pupnik_ | ssvb - strange: i can play a mp3 file seperately with gst-launch and not get frame drops | 16:26 |
| Navi | XD | 16:26 |
| Navi | :D | 16:26 |
| ssvb | KotCzarby: btw, in your "no audio test" you will never get frame drops, you just get slow motion | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | with -ao oss (no sound) i get no framedrops | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | BENCHMARKs: VC: 168.679s VO: 67.750s A: 0.000s Sys: 16.753s = 253.182s | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | BENCHMARK%: VC: 66.6234% VO: 26.7595% A: 0.0000% Sys: 6.6171% = 100.0000% | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | VO: [xv] 600x385 => 800x385 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | i mean -ao gst | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: not true, decoding times are the same | 16:27 |
| KotCzarny | gst-launch filesrc location=/tmp/1.mp3 ! mp3dec | 16:27 |
| KotCzarny | what's wrong with this syntax? | 16:27 |
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| KotCzarny | ach. sink | 16:28 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: that's hardly possible, with -benchmark and no audio, video plays as fast as it can (for low resolution video you will get much higher framerate than realtime, for too heavy videos you will get lower framerate than realtime) | 16:28 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: but no framedrops of course in either case | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Video# mplayer -benchmark -frames 200 1.avi | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | + gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/tmp/1.mp3 ! dspmp3sink | 16:29 |
| dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "gst-launch-0.10" is not a valid command. | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | BENCHMARKs: VC: 9.009s VO: 2.167s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.597s = 11.774s | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | BENCHMARK%: VC: 76.5199% VO: 18.4085% A: 0.0000% Sys: 5.0716% = 100.0000% | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | KotCzarny: what versino do you have? | 16:30 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer -v | 16:30 |
| pupnik_ | MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0 | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | .25 | 16:30 |
| pupnik_ | ah ok | 16:30 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: you get 11.774s total time for 200 frames of 24fps video, it should decode in 8.33 seconds to play in realtime | 16:30 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: that means, cpu is too slow for this video | 16:31 |
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| KotCzarny | hum | 16:31 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: what you see is just slow motion playback | 16:31 |
| pupnik_ | hard to tell with the computer animated logo :) | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | let's see without -framedrop | 16:32 |
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| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/media/mmc2/Video# mplayer -noframedrop -benchmark -frames 200 -ao sdl 1.avi | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | BENCHMARKs: VC: 7.621s VO: 1.227s A: 1.440s Sys: 0.831s = 11.119s | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | BENCHMARK%: VC: 68.5361% VO: 11.0353% A: 12.9517% Sys: 7.4770% = 100.0000% | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:34 |
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| KotCzarny | but there's a possibility that kernel locked at 400/133 would benefit from decoding in dsp | 16:34 |
| pH5 | pupnik_, KotCzarny: what do you think about something like this: http://en.pastebin.ca/924582 to select the DSP OP from userspace via /sys/power/op_dsp? | 16:35 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: yes, there is such possibility (as was discussed in the mailing list) | 16:35 |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 16:36 |
| pupnik_ | we can't even select -ao gst optionally right now :( | 16:36 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: your benchmark with '-ao sdl' just confirmed that ARM core at 400MHz can decode video+audio faster than ARM core at 330MHz can decode video only | 16:36 |
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| KotCzarny | ssvb, but not much | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | and aac would take more cpu juice than mp3 | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | and dsp could decode aac too | 16:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/playbacksolution1.jpg | 16:38 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: but at least it also avoids weird gstreamer bugs with seeking ;-) | 16:38 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, lol, I knew that was coming. | 16:38 |
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| KotCzarny | ssvb: bugs, squash'em all | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to get a ziptie. | 16:39 |
| pupnik_ | nah i'm going to ignore hi-res until omap3430 | 16:39 |
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| KotCzarny | anyway, locking @400/133 would be nice | 16:39 |
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| KotCzarny | right now i can't test that case | 16:39 |
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| Navi | fuck all of that, everyone should use -ao alsa :P | 16:41 |
| KotCzarny | that would be nice | 16:41 |
| KotCzarny | but it wouldn't use dsp for decoding | 16:41 |
| KotCzarny | and also would switch cpu to 330/220 | 16:41 |
| Navi | No, alsa as it is >_> | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the most the DSP can handle at 133? | 16:42 |
| Navi | with the stuttering sound and 1fps | 16:42 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: the problem is that nobody would run at 400@133 unless Nokia releases firmware with support for this mode | 16:42 |
| KotCzarny | general, 486@66 can do mp3 | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a valid comparison. | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssvb, I believe fanoush has a kernel that'll do that. | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not ideal for most users, but I wouldn't mind it. :D | 16:43 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: yes, extra 70MHz of ARM core are also more than enough for mp3 | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb, only if you have spare cpu after video decoding | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:43 |
| s33ds | sidenote, 2k08 fixed the CPU/DSP at what? | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | 400/133, but not fixed | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It jumps around between 165 and 400 | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | if you use dsp it will switch to 330/220 i believe | 16:44 |
| KotCzarny | general: that's cpufreq | 16:44 |
| s33ds | k ok, im just curious, that if the OS may control the fsb and stuff like that, when will we have a virtual dual cpu from maemo? ;) | 16:45 |
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| s33ds | hence GeneralAnt's beatiful solution hehe | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, KotCzarny, I know. | 16:45 |
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| ssvb | GeneralAntilles: From the practical point of view, nobody would care to use it. How many people around use 770 kernel with fixed YUV420 mode (which provides 2-3% of speedup for mplayer)? | 16:46 |
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| pupnik_ | actually i'm getting jerky playback at 400x200 now | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssvb this seems like it could be a lot more than a 2-3% speedup. | 16:47 |
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| lcuk_2 | pupnik with all of this, i have noticed if you run an app one time it can get dire frame rates with lots of judder, but then run thesame app and options seconds later its smoother. make sure you run each test at least a couple of times | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I'm getting perfect playback of mpeg4 at 640x480 (24fps) without audio | 16:47 |
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| KotCzarny | movies without audio are not fun | 16:48 |
| pupnik_ | check this out | 16:48 |
| ssvb | GeneralAntilles: s/perfect/slow motion | 16:48 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer test.avi -frames 200 -benchmark | 16:48 |
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| pupnik_ | AO: [esd] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample | 16:48 |
| pupnik_ | VDec: vo config request - 400 x 200 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12) | 16:48 |
| pupnik_ | VO: [xv] 400x200 => 400x200 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] | 16:49 |
| pupnik_ | BENCHMARKs: VC: 2.733s VO: 0.848s A: 1.890s Sys: 3.042s = 8.514s | 16:49 |
| pupnik_ | BENCHMARK%: VC: 32.0972% VO: 9.9628% A: 22.2037% Sys: 35.7362% = 100.0000% | 16:49 |
| pupnik_ | BENCHMARKn: disp: 201 (23.61 fps) drop: 0 (0%) total: 201 (23.61 fps) | 16:49 |
| pupnik_ | now i swear i saw jerky playback 3 times | 16:49 |
| pupnik_ | yet it says drop = 0? | 16:49 |
| lcuk_2 | i believe you 100% my book thingie does the same | 16:49 |
| lcuk_2 | its like the entire system freezes but nothign is lost | 16:50 |
| KotCzarny | -framedrop-hard ? | 16:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:50 |
| pupnik_ | with -ao gst it absolutely flies (no audio) | 16:50 |
| KotCzarny | with -ao gst it ignores audio track | 16:50 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't even decode mp3 | 16:50 |
| pupnik_ | BENCHMARKs: VC: 2.608s VO: 0.316s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.585s = 3.510s | 16:51 |
| pupnik_ | BENCHMARK%: VC: 74.3187% VO: 9.0052% A: 0.0000% Sys: 16.6761% = 100.0000% | 16:51 |
| pupnik_ | from 8.5 seconds to 3.5 seconds without the libmad / esd playback | 16:51 |
| KotCzarny | bug 1273 sucks. | 16:52 |
| pupnik_ | so my 770 can play back this file just fine, but my 810 can't | 16:52 |
| Navi | :D | 16:52 |
| pupnik_ | strange | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:53 |
| pupnik_ | maybe libmad has problems with some mp3 encoders or options | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | anyone has n8x0 with os2k7 ? | 16:53 |
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| Navi | KotCzarny, I was actually planning to flash down | 16:54 |
| Navi | to try it out | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | if you do, do some benchmarks | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | gst would work there | 16:54 |
| ssvb | pupnik_: the difference is proper realtime playback in one case (8.5 seconds) and faster than realtime playback in the second case (3.5 seconds) | 16:55 |
| pupnik_ | due to the mp3 playback? | 16:55 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 16:55 |
| pupnik_ | i unnerstan :) | 16:55 |
| pupnik_ | it was amazing to see how well video ran at high res with no audio playing though | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | crispy | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:57 |
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| pupnik_ | conversely enabling mp3 playback sent it into 7 fps chunky mode | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | mp3s are very complicated thingies.. | 16:59 |
| Navi | sez j00 | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | if they bring playback down 50% | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | at least | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:00 |
| Navi | ^^ | 17:00 |
| * Navi has one of those you-only-slept-four-hours headaches | 17:00 | |
| KotCzarny | sleep? what is that? | 17:00 |
| Navi | :) | 17:01 |
| Navi | I'd rather be tired than have a headache | 17:01 |
| Navi | I wish I didn't go to sleep | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | take a shower | 17:02 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: the problem is that you can't drop video frames any time you wish, they depend on each other when decoding (well, actually you can do it by using '-hardframedrop' option, but beware of horrible artifacts) | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: i know, but still, from 24fps to 15 when enabling audio? | 17:03 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: that's exactly the reason: you still have all the frames decoded and only save some small fraction of time by not showing some of them | 17:04 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: frames can be dropped more freely on videos with B-frames (these are XVID files encoded with default settings) | 17:04 |
| aquatix | hm, what videoplayer do you guys recommend? | 17:05 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 17:06 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: so you can get a VGA resolution XVID file played more or less acceptable (but dropping 30-40% of frames) | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | without audio you can get svga | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:06 |
| s33ds | aquatix mplayer ftw... dont know if vlc has been ported yet | 17:06 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: if the same file is encoded with B-frames disabled, it becomes completely unwatchable | 17:07 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: so video encoding options do matter a lot, sometimes to a higher extent than resolution/bitrate | 17:08 |
| s33ds | uhm - ./test: error while loading shared libraries: libhildon-1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.. | 17:08 |
| s33ds | do i need to fix my ld.so.conf? | 17:08 |
| s33ds | scratchbox runs it perfectly... | 17:09 |
| ssvb | s33ds: btw, vlc will not be faster than mplayer, its use is only justified if you prefer its GUI | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 17:10 |
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| KotCzarny | -vo fb ? | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:10 |
| Navi | lol | 17:10 |
| aquatix | \o/ futurama @ n810 | 17:10 |
| s33ds | of ssvb :) i guess its all in the codecs - on a n800, still os2007 i get a lil lossy sound from divx still | 17:10 |
| aquatix | yay @ slideshows | 17:10 |
| s33ds | but near perfect framerate on a 480 x 320 | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: downscale it | 17:11 |
| s33ds | kotczarny which did u do benchmark on? | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 17:11 |
| Navi | s33ds, mplayer | 17:12 |
| vinilios_ | anyone using sb2 ? is there any way to execute af-sb... with sb2 ? | 17:12 |
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| ssvb | aquatix: you can also try '-lavdopts lowres=1:gray' just for the sake of experiment | 17:12 |
| s33ds | meant the resolution of the avi :) | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | VIDEO: [XVID] 720x448 12bpp 23.976 fps 571.9 kbps (69.8 kbyte/s) | 17:13 |
| ssvb | aquatix: lowres=1 only if you use build .25 of mplayer | 17:14 |
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| KotCzarny | kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz 20.02.2008 | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | uname -a | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder.. | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 17:21 |
| Navi | heh | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | almost 4 months | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | lots of time to fix bugs | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:23 |
| Navi | only eight more months to go | 17:23 |
| Navi | s/eight/six/ | 17:23 |
| infobot | Navi meant: only six more months to go | 17:23 |
| s33ds | BENCHMARKs: VC: 7.537s VO: 1.663s A: 0.000s Sys: 1.132s = 10.332s | 17:23 |
| s33ds | BENCHMARK%: VC: 72.9457% VO: 16.0936% A: 0.0000% Sys: 10.9607% = 100.0000% | 17:23 |
| s33ds | just to give you something to compare with =) | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | s33ds: but you will have to use same file | 17:24 |
| s33ds | proximately the same - but little sw scaled.. XVID 576x320 with AC3 | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | not even close | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:25 |
| s33ds | give me a link :) | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/1.avi | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | iirc | 17:26 |
| * Navi wonders if that's actually fast action porn | 17:26 | |
| Navi | would explain the framedropping | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | more like brainfsck | 17:27 |
| Navi | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/1.avi for real linkage | 17:27 |
| Navi | zomg | 17:27 |
| Navi | "The requested URL /tmp/1.avi was not found on this server." | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | try without tmp | 17:27 |
| Navi | works | 17:28 |
| s33ds | yea , but server is really busy right now :p | 17:29 |
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| KotCzarny | it's only 128kbit up | 17:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:29 |
| t_s_o | hmm, nokia going ubuntu mobile, now thats a claim... | 17:29 |
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| Navi | heh | 17:30 |
| Navi | ubuntu mobile is a preconfigured debian with a custom hildon interface :D | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | as long it's flashable and oss, who cares.. | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:30 |
| s33ds | consider debian as the forefather, and its not that scary :) | 17:30 |
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| t_s_o | heh | 17:31 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, two more minutes | 17:31 |
| aquatix | nice, futurama actually plays fairly well | 17:32 |
| pupnik_ | hey KotCzarny ssvb wrote "Now esd is used for non-mp3 audio in OS2007/OS2008" | 17:32 |
| pupnik_ | that means that dsp is used for mp3 audio in OS2007/2008 | 17:32 |
| * s33ds pings KotCzarny, unstall connection! :D | 17:32 | |
| pupnik_ | right? | 17:32 |
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| KotCzarny | s33ds, reget, verizon sometimes does that | 17:32 |
| Navi | s33ds, it's not that long a download | 17:32 |
| aquatix | erm, now how do i close the movie? :D | 17:32 |
| Navi | it's only 1.5MB, and I was downloading off of him | 17:32 |
| * aquatix feels stupid | 17:33 | |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: watch mplayer logs | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | it clearly says that it uses esd | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | gst only works in 2007 and 2006 | 17:33 |
| pupnik | ok.. so compile it with gst | 17:34 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | it is compiled with gst | 17:34 |
| t_s_o | hmm, got to love the back and forth about how "open" the iphone will be for developers ones the SDK is released... | 17:34 |
| s33ds | gst audio makes:BENCHMARKs: VC: 13.864s VO: 3.784s A: 0.087s Sys: 3.418s = 21.153s | 17:34 |
| s33ds | BENCHMARK%: VC: 65.5419% VO: 17.8890% A: 0.4116% Sys: 16.1576% = 100.0000% | 17:34 |
| s33ds | BENCHMARKn: disp: 189 (8.94 fps) drop: 127 (40%) total: 316 (14.94 fps) | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | and i said that it had if statement | 17:34 |
| ssvb | pupnik: that comment is a bit misleading, it still uses dspmp3sink on OS2007 (but disables dsppcmsink) but on OS2008 both dspmp3sink and dsppcmsink are disabled | 17:34 |
| pupnik | oki | 17:35 |
| KotCzarny | esd is evil. | 17:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:35 |
| s33ds | -ao esd... wow, i think codec is missing hehe | 17:35 |
| s33ds | no audio... im so gonna upgrade :) | 17:36 |
| s33ds | BENCHMARKs: VC: 10.641s VO: 3.681s A: 0.060s Sys: 1.461s = 15.843s | 17:36 |
| s33ds | BENCHMARK%: VC: 67.1675% VO: 23.2364% A: 0.3758% Sys: 9.2203% = 100.0000% | 17:36 |
| s33ds | BENCHMARKn: disp: 203 (12.81 fps) drop: 150 (42%) total: 353 (22.28 fps) | 17:36 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: unfortunately esd is the only output driver which provides proper audio/video sync in OS2008 for mplayer at the moment | 17:36 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, OS2007 flashed. | 17:36 |
| KotCzarny | navi, great | 17:37 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: what about alsa? | 17:37 |
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| kikka | Hm, where can I find the Images for the 2007he? If I reflash, I could use this. :O | 17:38 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: ALSA does not work at all with video, and has some issues with A2DP (when used for audio only) | 17:38 |
| KotCzarny | mp3decsink is disabled in mplayer on HE os too | 17:38 |
| Navi | ooh, os2007 was a much simpler time | 17:39 |
| Navi | with the nerd gadget look to it | 17:39 |
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| Navi | Funny how it can feel so different | 17:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:40 |
| Navi | not to mention, pressure sensitivity between fingers and stylus works | 17:41 |
| Navi | s/between/differentiation between/ | 17:41 |
| infobot | Navi meant: not to mention, pressure sensitivity differentiation between fingers and stylus works | 17:41 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: generally speaking, I'm waiting for an updated OS2008 firmware before starting to hack this sound stuff (this decision is based on previous OS2007 experience) | 17:42 |
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| xuser | where you guys able to add a xterm applet? | 17:42 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 17:42 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: any idea how long that would be? | 17:42 |
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| Navi | anyways, KotCzarny, mplayer installed, going to transfer over your fast-action hardcore porn | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | i should have put it somewhere else | 17:43 |
| Navi | only .24 though, not .25 | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | you can copy binary alone | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | it will work | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 17:44 |
| pupnik | Can I force 333mhz speed for CPU to test mplayer on hi-res video? | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | n810 has only 1 mmc slot? | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 17:44 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: no idea, but I expect the second OS2008 release to be a major improvement in terms of stability, any system dependent hacks done now may be a wasted effort | 17:45 |
| Andy80 | yes KotCzarny | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: if there will be one.. | 17:45 |
| Andy80 | only one | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | they can go all the way into n830 | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:45 |
| Andy80 | but it has 2 gb memory included | 17:45 |
| Navi | not even a full mmc slot, it's a minisd slot | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | pity. | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | 4gb sd is cheap | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:46 |
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| Andy80 | I haven't added a mini sd yet | 17:46 |
| Navi | 4gb minisd's more expensive :D | 17:46 |
| Andy80 | yes.. | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | and 810 is missing fm tuner | 17:46 |
| * Navi likes his full sized SDs | 17:46 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 17:46 |
| ssvb | pupnik: just start DSP accelerated mp3 playback (in built-in player) and cpu will go down to 330MHz | 17:46 |
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| pupnik | ok ty | 17:47 |
| pH5 | pupnik: or "echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ; echo 1 > /sys/power/op_active" | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | cat /sys/power/op_active | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | 3 | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | 3 ? | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 17:48 |
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| pupnik | ssvb, when i play sdp mp3 and high res video, the framerate is ~ 23 fps. when I play with esd and libmad, i get ~8 fps | 17:49 |
| pupnik | i swear | 17:49 |
| pupnik | dsp | 17:50 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: OP 3 is 165MHz/110MHz | 17:50 |
| pupnik | i will put up some test files | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | but it will change automatically? | 17:50 |
| Navi | sound works. | 17:50 |
| s33ds | pH5 like Sx on cpufreg? | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | yup. | 17:50 |
| s33ds | *q | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | goes to 0 when playing vid | 17:51 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: as long as the scaling governor is "ondemand" and there is no dsptask/cam running it will scale depending on cpu load. | 17:51 |
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| KotCzarny | - the N810 is at least twice as heavy as the N800 | 17:51 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 17:51 |
| Navi | That's fine | 17:51 |
| KotCzarny | playing mp3 via gstreamer sets op_active to 1 | 17:52 |
| Navi | Some people complained that the N800 felt like light, cheap plastic. | 17:52 |
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| pH5 | s33ds: Sx? | 17:52 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer light than massive | 17:52 |
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| s33ds | P-States | 17:53 |
| Lynoure | Navi: Certainly not light enough :) | 17:53 |
| Lynoure | Navi: Feels fine to me. No better or worse than most mobile phones. | 17:53 |
| Navi | anyways | 17:53 |
| Navi | framedrops a tad bit | 17:53 |
| KotCzarny | No, it only weights 20g more than N800. But it might feel heavier | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | because it is more compact and you don't keep it in your hands the | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | same way you do for N80 | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 17:54 |
| pH5 | s33ds: I don't know about P-states, but the operating points are a bunch of clock divider and voltage settings, they are defined in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-dvfs.c. | 17:54 |
| Navi | hard to tell, your fast-paced hardcore porn isn't very fast-paced | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | i can rip another scene | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | it's a fightclub anyway | 17:55 |
| Navi | I have bleach on my sd | 17:55 |
| s33ds | pH5: cool! how do i fetch a kernel source? | 17:55 |
| Navi | no worries | 17:55 |
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| pH5 | s33ds: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | os2008 ? | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | not chinook ? | 17:56 |
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| Navi | KotCzarny, -ao gst -ac dspmp3 on os2007 is more or less the same | 17:57 |
| s33ds | hmm, being able to compile your own kernel for a mobile device... tres bien! | 17:57 |
| s33ds | gotta luv linux | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | navi: -benchmark -frames 200 | 17:58 |
| KotCzarny | also see what codec/output it uses | 17:58 |
| s33ds | ahh i had a 95% utilizing shell running for some reason on the benchmark i did b4 | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | Mornig, all | 18:02 |
| Navi | hrm | 18:02 |
| Navi | seems like it's using gst by default | 18:02 |
| Navi | 23% framedrop out of 200 frames | 18:03 |
| Navi | dspmp3 | 18:03 |
| s33ds | yea same | 18:03 |
| ssvb | s33ds: also consider using -quiet option (to suppress cpu usage by constantly refreshing status on the terminal) and -endpos instead of frames (so that you could specify length in seconds) | 18:03 |
| s33ds | but other audio outs are fubar.. only loud scratching noise | 18:04 |
| ssvb | length in seconds is convenient as you can easily see if decoding was faster/slower than realtime | 18:04 |
| ssvb | s33ds: for other audio drivers you can't use dspmp3 decoder | 18:05 |
| ssvb | s33ds: they will just get feeded with uncompressed mp3 data and result in only a noise | 18:06 |
| s33ds | so do a mp3decomp trick? | 18:06 |
| Navi | BENCHMARKs: VC: 13.821s VO: 1.377s A: 0.084s Sys: 0.77 s = 15.983 | 18:06 |
| Navi | s/77/700 | 18:06 |
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| Navi | s/77/700/ | 18:07 |
| infobot | Navi meant: s/700/700 | 18:07 |
| Navi | lol | 18:07 |
| ssvb | lol indeed | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | sloow? | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | slolw even | 18:07 |
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| s33ds | ssvb for some reason -endpos uses more off of Sys timing.. but -frames 200 which should be around 8.35s its playback is 12.13s | 18:09 |
| s33ds | 19% framedrops, without -framedrop though | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | you have framedrop enabled in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf | 18:10 |
| s33ds | ahh true | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | use -noframedrop | 18:10 |
| Navi | amazing | 18:11 |
| s33ds | ok, from 4-5 tests, avg is 11.365 seconds from the 8.35s real-time... about the same as KotCzarny's. Navi yours from this one: | 18:13 |
| s33ds | mplayer -benchmark -frames 200 1.avi -quiet -noframedrop | 18:13 |
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| s33ds | try doing this when issuing heavy video playback on OS2008: while [ 1 ] ; do echo -en "`cat ./sys/power/op_active`" ; sleep .15; done | 18:22 |
| KotCzarny | sleep: invalid number '.15' | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | busybox sux | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | in this config | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:24 |
| s33ds | uhm.. the N factor applies here :) | 18:28 |
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| s33ds | hmm figured out the ld.so failure... doh - i prepped scratchbox with OS2008 | 18:30 |
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| pupnik | what bitrate does 1.avi have? | 18:32 |
| pupnik | 600? | 18:32 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~ | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | 572 | 18:33 |
| pupnik | kthx | 18:33 |
| pupnik | i'm curious about extracting audio to mp3, then launching gst-launch simultaneously with mplayer | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | any mp3 will do | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | it's ~128kbit | 18:34 |
| pupnik | no for my own hi-def movies | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:34 |
| pupnik | i know you're testing, i'm making movies | 18:35 |
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| KotCzarny | ah, ok | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:35 |
| pupnik | dropping ofps to 20fps and running a seperate mp3 might yield watchable movies | 18:35 |
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| pupnik | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx some free hi-def content from the evil empire (unzip with pkzip) | 18:38 |
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| pupnik | we'd be good to go if we could decode mp3 while running cpu at 400mhz | 18:41 |
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| pupnik | 800x450 playing nicely at 22fps here | 18:42 |
| KotCzarny | with kernel patch and fixed mplayer, yes | 18:42 |
| KotCzarny | but who will do that? | 18:42 |
| * KotCzarny sleepy | 18:42 | |
| KotCzarny | (and my stylus still missing ;/) | 18:43 |
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| pupnik | why do half my vids have a green line at the bottom? | 18:43 |
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| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=mplayer+%22green+line%22 | 18:44 |
| Navi | heh | 18:44 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: Who will do that? I would :) | 18:45 |
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| Navi | Ew, maemo repositiories keep timing out | 18:45 |
| Navi | -_- | 18:45 |
| lcuk_2 | the green lines are normally uninitialised yuv planes ;) (0 byte on the 2nd and 3rd plane instead of 128 for black) ;) | 18:45 |
| pupnik | reducing resolution by 1 didn't fix | 18:46 |
| pupnik | ty lcuk_2 | 18:46 |
| lcuk_2 | the uv planes are at half resolution ie 2 pixel squares, try reducing by 2 | 18:46 |
| lcuk_2 | or could of course be an artifact | 18:47 |
| lcuk_2 | .. | 18:47 |
| pupnik | ahrr ty | 18:47 |
| lcuk_2 | i often wondered why peoples media players put green screens up, since i learnt about yuv and how it uses bytes it just makes sense now | 18:47 |
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| pupnik | two-pass xvid for great justice | 18:50 |
| xuser | what app do you use for the camera? | 18:52 |
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| pupnik | camera app | 18:55 |
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| xuser | :D | 18:56 |
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| pupnik | it's just called 'camera' on my system | 18:57 |
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| xuser | yeah found it | 18:58 |
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| pupnik | -nozoom isn't nozooming :/ | 19:02 |
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| KotCzarny | ha! | 19:04 |
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| KotCzarny | i see my stylus! | 19:04 |
| ssvb | pupnik: works for me | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | now to get it out.. | 19:04 |
| ssvb | pupnik: what video resolution did you try? | 19:04 |
| pupnik | i think i have some stupid encoding options remaining | 19:05 |
| pupnik | VO: [xv] 800x448 => 896x448 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] | 19:05 |
| ssvb | pupnik: that's aspect ratio | 19:05 |
| pupnik | must be stting the res based on a faulty ratio | 19:05 |
| ssvb | you can try -noaspect if you don't want to take aspect ratio in account | 19:06 |
| ssvb | anyway, if your video needs aspect ratio correction, scaling has to be used for it | 19:06 |
| pupnik | ok thanks. i'll try stuff with 720 w and about ~3xx high | 19:07 |
| pupnik | cause downsampling from 25fps just doesn't look nice | 19:07 |
| ssvb | changing framerate is a bad idea, it does not look good and may result in audio sync problems | 19:07 |
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| pupnik | ssvb, is there a less cpu intensive codec that will yield decent results with larger filesizes? | 19:08 |
| pupnik | mpeg2? :) | 19:08 |
| ssvb | pupnic: -nozoom does not improve performance on n8x0 at all | 19:09 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 19:09 |
| pupnik | so i can reduce resolution however i want | 19:10 |
| pupnik | and let mplayer scale | 19:10 |
| ssvb | pupnik: it will be scaled using LCD controller hardware | 19:10 |
| pupnik | cool | 19:10 |
| lcuk_2 | scaling upto 800*480 is automatic by the LCD if rendering is through xv - it works really well and is free cpu wise | 19:10 |
| pupnik | way cool. | 19:11 |
| ssvb | hw scaler is using bicubic algorithm, so it also high quality | 19:11 |
| pupnik | arbitrary scaling. games could use that so damn much | 19:11 |
| lcuk_2 | yer pup, the lcd is geared around driving tv displays and so automatically includes this fn :) | 19:11 |
| xuser | hmm... i get very high ping responses when pinging the n810 | 19:11 |
| lcuk_2 | yer, but its yuv only from what i can see | 19:12 |
| ssvb | lcuk_2: it can scale rgb as well | 19:12 |
| lcuk_2 | maybe the master could guide us. ahhh he has ;) thanks ssvb :) | 19:12 |
| lcuk_2 | so theoretically we could redirect sdl through a nice channel like that and not worry about basic pixel doubling code | 19:13 |
| ssvb | lcuk_2: yes, pixel doubling is actually using this hw scaler | 19:13 |
| ssvb | lcuk_2: "pixel doubling" is a bad name by the way, pixels are not doubled, they are smoothly scaled | 19:14 |
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| lcuk_2 | dang, i would love to carry on along these lines but family calls, i will no doubt catch you lot again, have a good day | 19:14 |
| pupnik | cu lcuk_2 | 19:14 |
| pupnik | ssvb so by studying mplayer source i can also get a portion of a screen scaled to arbitrary size? | 19:15 |
| pupnik | can the lcd also scale x and y independently? | 19:15 |
| ssvb | pupnik: yes | 19:15 |
| pupnik | this would be very useful for emulators like nes and snes | 19:16 |
| ssvb | it scales x and y independently, the only requirement is that it only supports upscaling | 19:16 |
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| pupnik | great! they need stretching | 19:17 |
| ssvb | pupnik, lcuk_2: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-February/014654.html | 19:17 |
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| ssvb | I think Xv can be easily modified to support rgb color format and it will make a lot more flexible API than XSP pixel doubling | 19:18 |
| pupnik | interesting | 19:18 |
| pupnik | i need to learn about the lcd to detect vsync anyway | 19:19 |
| ssvb | except that even this patch is not applied yet: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278 | 19:19 |
| pupnik | ssvb did you see i got a NES emulator running at 60fps on 770? :) | 19:19 |
| Navi | now to make it 60FPS on the N8X0! | 19:20 |
| pupnik | it's 97-105 on n8x0 | 19:20 |
| * Navi lols | 19:20 | |
| Navi | Sound still studders? | 19:20 |
| pupnik | no this is a different one | 19:20 |
| Navi | mmk | 19:21 |
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| ssvb | lcd refresh rate is something between 50 and 60 Hz anyway :) | 19:21 |
| ssvb | at least on 770 | 19:21 |
| Navi | hrm | 19:21 |
| pupnik | nice bug ssvb | 19:21 |
| Navi | mmpc is missing updatedb | 19:21 |
| pupnik | congrats ssvb for the xv speedup | 19:22 |
| ssvb | pupnik: if we can start getting patches added into core system components, better games/emulators performance can be achieved | 19:22 |
| ssvb | pupnik: that's a very old patch, basically all the performance difference between '-vo nokia770' and '-vo xv' can be attributed to this optimization | 19:23 |
| pupnik | ah so mplayer uses it already? | 19:24 |
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| pupnik | or does it need new xserver | 19:24 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: mplayer uses it in its own code, but if this optimization gets into xserver, every application using Xv will get faster | 19:25 |
| pupnik | there's another application using it? :) | 19:25 |
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| Navi | ohshi- | 19:25 |
| pupnik | well that's great news | 19:25 |
| Navi | Weird | 19:25 |
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| Navi | the screen is locked, but I can scroll with the dpad | 19:26 |
| ssvb | pupnik: gstreamer xv sink (built-in player, canola, etc.) | 19:26 |
| Navi | and I can't unlock the screen | 19:26 |
| Navi | hard keys aren't locked >_> | 19:26 |
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| s33ds | ssvb, patch is awesome ^^ | 19:30 |
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| s33ds | push the devs a bit more for a future release ;) | 19:30 |
| pupnik | see the bottom - daniel says it's going in the next os2008 | 19:30 |
| s33ds | -O4 the DSP bits and rock on hehe *gG* | 19:31 |
| s33ds | laterz | 19:32 |
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| KotCzarny | haaa! | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | i got my stylus back! | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | go me! | 19:32 |
| truls | me too | 19:33 |
| xuser | use your finger :D | 19:33 |
| truls | mine was hiding on the floor | 19:33 |
| truls | trying to be invisible in plain view | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | mine was stuck deep in heating appliance | 19:33 |
| Austin | Man, the browser is in desperate need of a popup blocker. | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | use adblock+ ? | 19:34 |
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| pupnik | wow, transcoding 1280x720p to 640x360 almost gives 25fps | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | pff. | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | full screen or death. | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Austin, AdBlock Plus, Flash Block, hosts, css | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take your pick | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Privoxy, even. | 19:45 |
| pupnik | wow, transcoding 1280x720p to 640x360 almost gives 25fps | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 19:45 |
| pupnik | oops | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | i was going to say | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | junkbuster | 19:45 |
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| Navi | lol | 19:47 |
| pupnik | btw frames=fps*10 is a bit more easy to convert | 19:51 |
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| pupnik | so atm i'm at 11.459s on a 250 frame clip :/ reencoding at 561x316 | 19:51 |
| pupnik | hooray for no-cost arbitrary scaling! | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | no-cost? | 19:53 |
| pupnik | no cpu cost | 19:54 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: well done :) congrats! | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | what does work then? | 19:54 |
| pupnik | ok 560x316 yields 8.621s | 19:54 |
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| pupnik | (under 10 = 25+fps | 19:55 |
| pupnik | and frankly i can't tell the missing resolution from 800x480 unless i pause it | 19:55 |
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| KotCzarny | you will miss crispiness | 19:56 |
| pupnik | now with dsp mp3 playback... | 19:56 |
| pupnik | 10.910s! | 19:56 |
| pupnik | :/ | 19:56 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: unless you can make it run at 400/133, better forget about DSP for audio decoding | 19:58 |
| ssvb | pupnik: mp3 decoding on ARM can be also optimized | 19:59 |
| pupnik | another stupid thing, my mencoder script is encoding audio @ 48000hz yet esd runs at 44100 hz | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | esd sucks | 20:00 |
| pupnik | no i suck because i didn't specify the freq of the mp3 correctly | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:00 |
| Navi | heh | 20:00 |
| ssvb | pupnik: and now I'm experimenting with vorbis floating point optimizations (ffvorbis decoder), it has a good potential to become a lot faster than tremor | 20:01 |
| pupnik | really | 20:01 |
| pupnik | sweet | 20:02 |
| pupnik | i'm researching lame options | 20:02 |
| ssvb | with .25 mplayer release, we are now almost at the crossover point (-ac ffvorbis is almost as fast as the now default tremor decoder) | 20:03 |
| cLin | how do i uninstall something like dropbear? | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -r | 20:03 |
| cLin | whats the command to show a list if instaleld programs | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -l | 20:06 |
| cLin | oh great | 20:06 |
| cLin | its so long it scrolled out | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | install less | 20:07 |
| pupnik | or maemo-list-user-packages for just the user-installed applications | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | then do dpkg -h|less | 20:07 |
| cLin | thanks, list user packages worked | 20:08 |
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| cLin | i can't seem to get rid of dropbear. says subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102 | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg sucks, sometimes | 20:09 |
| cLin | is there like a maemo-uninstall? | 20:10 |
| pupnik | are you using dropbear ssh at the moment? | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | it will use dpkg anyway | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | so it will return error too | 20:10 |
| cLin | no | 20:10 |
| cLin | dont think so. everything is off | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | refflash. | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:11 |
| cLin | .. | 20:11 |
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| cLin | anyone know what the error is? | 20:13 |
| pupnik | not offhand but i have dropbear on another device | 20:14 |
| cLin | i want toinstall openssh and it says dropbear conflicts | 20:14 |
| pupnik | try running /etc/init.d/dropbear stop | 20:14 |
| pupnik | then reuninstall dropbear | 20:14 |
| pupnik | (run that as root of course) | 20:15 |
| cLin | sameerror | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | just force it | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | *grin* | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | or read what exactly is the problem | 20:16 |
| cLin | i am | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | should be on screen | 20:16 |
| cLin | or can i use dropbear to have winscp connect to me? | 20:16 |
| cLin | to the n800 | 20:16 |
| pupnik | dropbear can do scp | 20:17 |
| pupnik | it can't do certain options though | 20:17 |
| jaska_ | doesnt have a sftp server iirc | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's not a whole lot of point runinng dropbear over openssh on the N8x0s. | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, openssh is better | 20:18 |
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| pupnik | ok 512x308 and -ao sdl seems better than -ao esd... | 20:26 |
| pupnik | though i try to make 22050 khz mp3 AUDIO: says 48000 hz in mplayer | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | sucks. | 20:27 |
| Koshi | Out of interest, in the bottom right in the browser theres a count every tiie you load a page. Is that the number of images or data transfered? | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 20:28 |
| lcuk_2 | thats the count of how many kittens god has killed | 20:28 |
| Koshi | Mental note *takke more care to avoid this or that questions in the future...* | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Objects, koshi. | 20:29 |
| Koshi | Ah i see, thanks, il go google what those objects are | 20:32 |
| lcuk_2 | its any image or script file or xss file or subframe etc | 20:33 |
| lcuk_2 | real answer this time ;) | 20:33 |
| Koshi | Hmm, just found that as well. Wasnt aware of that tag. well makes this problem easier | 20:34 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, time to bed | 20:41 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, lmao | 20:41 |
| TuxProbe | anyone knows th perfect 'hideout' for an i386 / arm (host/target) toolchain? | 20:41 |
| xuser | how do I make the fn button work in rdesktop? | 20:41 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, I'd hate to have your sleeping habits. | 20:41 |
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| inteliwasp | is there a way to get new applets for the home sreen? | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Download them? | 21:02 |
| inteliwasp | GeneralAntilles, wherre? | 21:03 |
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| * inteliwasp gets kind of clueless sometimes... | 21:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it or maemo.org/downloads | 21:04 |
| keesj | inteliwasp: look for the download link on the maemo.org page | 21:04 |
| keesj | there are a few | 21:04 |
| Navi | Heh | 21:04 |
| Navi | I want to use applets | 21:04 |
| Navi | but I don't like clutter on my home screen | 21:05 |
| keesj | mi applet used to work , but I did not even try it on it2008 because all the applets move all the time | 21:05 |
| Navi | Yeah, it's pretty annoying | 21:06 |
| Navi | I liked it on os2007 a bit better | 21:06 |
| keesj | I applet relied on movent within the applet | 21:06 |
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| Zic | Hmm, I've got a question about existance, what the meaning of 'osso' in some application names ? | 21:21 |
| Zic | relied to Maemo, but where … | 21:21 |
| keesj | Zic: it is the name of de department where this software is created withing nokia | 21:21 |
| Zic | oh, ok :) | 21:21 |
| keesj | it is something that ended up in the names and they are trying to remove :p | 21:22 |
| Navi | lol | 21:22 |
| keesj | within | 21:22 |
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| michele_ | the tablets need cool people doing new things like these http://www.toryhobson.com/new/entries/trism-upcoming-game-for-iphone/ | 21:43 |
| michele_ | enough with the q'n'd ports | 21:44 |
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| keesj | q'n'd ? | 21:44 |
| michele_ | quick and dirty | 21:44 |
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| pupnik | and you are not useless how, michele_ | 21:47 |
| michele_ | pupnik: I didn' mean to offend | 21:47 |
| Navi | Heh, that's sexy | 21:48 |
| pupnik | i would guess the number of developers is mainly a function of market share | 21:49 |
| Navi | Yeah | 21:49 |
| keesj | I tried to look at the like but i only get a white square. what is good about it? | 21:49 |
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| michele_ | pupnik: I think they are correlated | 21:49 |
| Navi | the iPhone has a larger user base, so sexier apps/games/programs/stuff | 21:49 |
| michele_ | mutually I mean | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The iPhone also has the advantage of a bunch of OS X developers who like to focus on glitz and glam. | 21:50 |
| Navi | We have the advantage of NERDZZZZZZ | 21:51 |
| Navi | Dirty Linux apps | 21:51 |
| pupnik | how many commercial apps are there for the tablets? | 21:51 |
| Navi | Zero? | 21:51 |
| shackan | mmm, rhapsody, navicore | 21:51 |
| keesj | I guess a few by now | 21:51 |
| Navi | Two? | 21:51 |
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| keesj | how many for linux? | 21:52 |
| Navi | Much more | 21:52 |
| Navi | but they're still in the vast majority | 21:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Plus that one stupid PIM thing that nobody's ever bought. | 21:52 |
| Lynoure | shadowplan supposedly works in the tablets too, so would not be surprised if many other commercial Linux apps did too | 21:52 |
| Navi | s/majority/minority/ | 21:52 |
| infobot | Navi meant: but they're still in the vast minority | 21:52 |
| shackan | GeneralAntilles: what? | 21:52 |
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| keesj | skype also does not fals under commercial in my definition | 21:53 |
| sxpert | falls under what ? | 21:53 |
| keesj | I would cal skype a commercial application | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's some stupid little todo/note manager app that they want to change $20 for. | 21:55 |
| Navi | lol | 21:55 |
| Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: Sounds like Shadowplan, except I would not call in stupid :) | 21:55 |
| Lynoure | Sure, it's less nice than Basket, but I have not tried to shovel Basket into a tablet. | 21:56 |
| Lynoure | s/in/it/ | 21:56 |
| infobot | Lynoure meant: Sure, it's less nice than Basket, but I have not tried to shovel Basket itto a tablet. | 21:56 |
| Lynoure | heh, näh, meant the previous one, that actually had a typo :) | 21:56 |
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| snuffels | Hi | 21:57 |
| snuffels | I have a quesion concerning the N770 RTC: Is there a second battery for that? | 21:58 |
| snuffels | It seems ma N770 looses time/date when i turn it off | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've seen one in the N800 | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suppose there's one in the 770. | 21:58 |
| snuffels | worked just fine for many years, but suddenly it stopped working | 21:58 |
| snuffels | GeneralAntilles: Is there any docu where these battary is located? I have searched the net without success. | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, you'll see it if you can manage to get it open without breaking anything | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I would either use it like it's supposed to be used, and never turn it off, or setup ntp syncing at boot. | 22:00 |
| snuffels | I'm just wondering why I can't simply replace that battery | 22:01 |
| snuffels | Nokia seemed to have done a major design flaw | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's gonna be a pain to get it open. | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, really, do you know of any mobile device that's easy to get open? | 22:03 |
| Lynoure | N800 has easy to get to battery, at least, though Treo 650's is even easier :) | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, losing the date when powering off (which you really shouldn't be doing anyway) is hardly a "major design flaw". | 22:04 |
| snuffels | GeneralAntilles: I consider making it hard/impossible to replace a battery that is known to work only for two years a major design flaw | 22:06 |
| snuffels | GeneralAntilles: If casio would tell me that i have to discard my 200$ wrist watch just because the 4$ battery is out of juice | 22:07 |
| snuffels | I would certainly consider them being morons ;-) | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 770 doesn't stop working when this battery dies. :\ | 22:08 |
| Proteous | heh | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, the batteries in both of my 770s are still working. | 22:08 |
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| snuffels | GeneralAntilles: Maybe that's because mine is turned off, when I don't use it. | 22:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which is stupid | 22:14 |
| Navi | Lol | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | As the devices are designed to be left on 24/7 | 22:14 |
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| Koshi | With its uptime its a crime to turn it off | 22:15 |
| Koshi | uptime = power consumption | 22:16 |
| snuffels | Koshi: As I don't use vpenis I do not care about uptime. ;-) | 22:16 |
| Koshi | :) thought one thing, typed another | 22:16 |
| Koshi | Actually what do people use these tablets for? | 22:19 |
| xuser | how do i make the AM list all packages? | 22:19 |
| Navi | Koshi, watching pr0n, duh | 22:20 |
| Koshi | In 2008 os its a case of pressing browse installable applications -> all tab | 22:21 |
| xuser | Koshi: yeah, but i upgrade to image 2.0 and now i don't see it. | 22:21 |
| snuffels | Navi: on that small display??? | 22:22 |
| Koshi | Oh no idea then sorry | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 is a fantastic mobile video player. | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screen look awesome. | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/look/looks/ | 22:22 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Screen looks awesome. | 22:22 |
| Navi | especially weet nekked gurllllzzzz lololol | 22:22 |
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| Koshi | Other then a toy, i see this as a holiday/weekend away laptop replacement. | 22:26 |
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| Yanker | i see an opportunity to build a powerful OS and get the VOIP implemented in a device, capeable of following you everywhere! | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VOIP has already been implemented. | 22:41 |
| Yanker | yea but now you carry it around, loggin in with wifi :) | 22:41 |
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| Yanker | only thing, its missing is the SIM, which greatly would improve connectivity (also wifi-less) | 22:42 |
| Yanker | say, if for instance lots of people has tablets or alike with wifi - when they jump on a hotspot somewhere, they download some data | 22:42 |
| Yanker | rss/news/cached webbies etc.. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have a cellphone for cellular access. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The day Nokia adds SIM slots to all of the tablets is the day I find another platform. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth tethering works just fine for connectivity. | 22:43 |
| Yanker | if ppl would allow for these data to be shared with other tablets/phones, parts of the internet would be brought to them without having to use any ISP | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | What? | 22:44 |
| Yanker | true, just carry a phone along with you as well :) | 22:44 |
| Yanker | lets call it collaborating ad-hoc-networks? =) | 22:45 |
| shackan | you mean mesh networks | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 22:45 |
| Yanker | just a stupid idea on how to spread news-feeds among ppl hehe | 22:45 |
| Yanker | indeed shackan | 22:45 |
| shackan | spread what? | 22:45 |
| Yanker | whatever! | 22:46 |
| Yanker | pr0n!¡! *gG* | 22:46 |
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| kikka | Hm, the application manager doesn't start.... | 22:48 |
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| cLin | crud, i do not know why it won't let me uninstall dropbear. i want to install openssh server so i can use winscp and access my n800 | 22:50 |
| dskippy_ | Does anyone know of a simple way to just change a scrollbar in GTK to be wider? I am fine if this changes all scrollbars on the system to be wider as well. | 22:50 |
| dskippy_ | Editing /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 doesn't work for me but that's the answer I find everywhere. | 22:50 |
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| kikka | I hate this crap. | 22:56 |
| kikka | Why don't the app-manager starts normally. | 22:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kikka, what in the world have you been doing to your device? | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | You seem to be failing miserably at every point possible. | 22:58 |
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| cLin | Anyone ever have this error uninstalling anything: Subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102 | 22:59 |
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| Austin | Look at that script and find out the circumstances under which it'd return 102. | 23:01 |
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| cLin | it's the dropbear script. i dont even know what i'm looking for | 23:01 |
| Yanker | trying to enhance the busybox clin? | 23:01 |
| cLin | trying to uninstall dropbear to install openssh | 23:02 |
| cLin | server | 23:02 |
| pupnik | did you google the error message? | 23:02 |
| Yanker | on a win-box? | 23:02 |
| cLin | on my n800 | 23:02 |
| cLin | i did, but it doesn't seem to tell me much. it's just set of instructions for ubuntu | 23:03 |
| dskippy_ | Is there a gtk theme file somewhere that the maeemo uses that I can adjust? | 23:03 |
| Yanker | oh my bad, mistook dropbear for something else hehe | 23:03 |
| cLin | any ideas? or what happens if remove the file? can i force it or something | 23:04 |
| Yanker | its not done from package manager? | 23:04 |
| cLin | i tried that and dpkg -r from xterm | 23:04 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: I don't know. nokia repair service.. (but I can still install something via apt-get, ...) | 23:05 |
| Yanker | dpkg --purge / --remove | 23:05 |
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| cLin | tried it | 23:06 |
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| cLin | says error processing dropbear | 23:06 |
| cLin | then the error iposted above | 23:07 |
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| kikka | How can I start the app-manager via commandline? | 23:08 |
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| dskippy_ | Where are the system themes stored for GTK? | 23:18 |
| * kikka will reflash it again (the last time, I hope :/) tommorow. | 23:23 | |
| Yanker | mhhh | 23:25 |
| Yanker | 66Mhz Matters! | 23:25 |
| * florian can beat that ;) | 23:25 | |
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| pupnik | you do notice it in mplayer | 23:29 |
| pupnik | s/do/can | 23:29 |
| deusx | Hi all, just got a N810, anyone know where I can get software that will let me read excel sheets on my tablet? | 23:29 |
| ynezz | kikka: hildon-application-manager or you can use apt | 23:29 |
| kikka | ynezz: Thanks, yeah. | 23:31 |
| pupnik | deusx: gnumeric could do that. dunno about the port status. | 23:31 |
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| deusx | hmm..i thought there was a gnumeric for the nokia but I didnt know it could do that | 23:31 |
| sbk | I have a silly question | 23:32 |
| deusx | its surprising after years of these tablets being out, someone has filled the need for an excel reader | 23:32 |
| Spakman | does anyone here have the source to the ruby-maemo bindings? | 23:32 |
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| sbk | I recieved my nokia 810 yesturday | 23:32 |
| sbk | when I enter my product key | 23:32 |
| sbk | it says "invalid" | 23:32 |
| sbk | to get OS2008 | 23:32 |
| sbk | my 810 says I have OS2008 on it, but it hasen't been updated since march 07 | 23:33 |
| pupnik | sbk Control Panel -> About Product .. it should be your WLAN MAC addr | 23:34 |
| sbk | yes, when I enter that in vertabim it says its invalid | 23:35 |
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| pupnik | dunno then, maybe call customer support | 23:36 |
| dookdook | on the off chance anyone would know: error: selected processor does not suport smulbb. but i see in the quick reference smulxy is supported...whats the xy? | 23:36 |
| sbk | does anyone have a copy of the latest OS08? | 23:36 |
| sbk | I can reflash it myself | 23:36 |
| sbk | btw I haven't owned a nokia since the 6800 phone | 23:37 |
| sbk | and this N810 is amazing | 23:37 |
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| * pupnik agrees | 23:38 | |
| * ynezz too | 23:39 | |
| sbk | the browsing ... the capability... | 23:39 |
| sbk | I bought it to replace pen & paper at my office | 23:39 |
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| sbk | since I have a iphone, and its really not that good in the office | 23:39 |
| sbk | the N810 was the most perfect edition | 23:40 |
| sbk | < network engineer | 23:40 |
| sbk | needless to say, im frustrated about this firmware upgrade | 23:41 |
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| ssvb | dookdook: you need to provide gcc with -mcpu option | 23:45 |
| dookdook | ssvb, i'm in the scratchbox thing with CHINOOK_ARMEL... | 23:46 |
| ssvb | dookdook: for nokia 770 it is "-mcpu=arm926ej-s", for nokia n800/n810 it is -mcpu=arm1136jf-s" | 23:46 |
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| ssvb | dookdook: so what? | 23:46 |
| DaniloCesar | Someone here uses Pluthon? | 23:46 |
| dookdook | ssvb, sorry, thought it would automaticaly compile to the chipset... | 23:47 |
| dookdook | let me try | 23:47 |
| dookdook | ssvb, thanks, that worked | 23:48 |
| ssvb | dookdook: this is ARM enhanced DSP instruction, for processors which support armv5te instructions | 23:48 |
| ssvb | there are older ARM cores which do not have it | 23:49 |
| ssvb | you are welcome | 23:49 |
| ssvb | btw, what are you trying to compile? | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | sdk, you can try the WLAN range from here: http://www.cnet.com/surveillance-state/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's not working, you're either entering the wrong number (misreading, maybe?) or on the wrong page. | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | You are on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810php right? | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 23:50 |
| dookdook | ssvb, a test to compare some mpeg2 compression written in c vs. some code yanked from ffmeg for armv6? | 23:50 |
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| sbk | hmmm | 23:50 |
| sbk | I'm not tho | 23:50 |
| freelikegnu | hello | 23:51 |
| sbk | yeah thats the page I was using | 23:51 |
| sbk | Thank you GeneralAntilles | 23:51 |
| ssvb | dookdook: that's interesting, I would like to also know the results once you have them | 23:54 |
| sbk | I don't under stand what they mean by this | 23:58 |
| sbk | OH! | 23:58 |
| sbk | GOT IT! | 23:58 |
| sbk | RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 23:58 |
| Tama^2 | now you only have to wait for the download to complete | 23:59 |
| Tama^2 | 2 hours later... | 23:59 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 23:59 |
| sbk | well, I have gigabit ethernet at my office | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been plenty fast for me. | 23:59 |
| sbk | unless their servers are slow :P | 23:59 |
| sbk | I work @ a wholesale bandwidth provider | 23:59 |
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