IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-02-26

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lcukif i was wanting to use sdl_ttf inside an app how do i get it installed and available within scratchbox?00:29
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jkulcuk, apt-get install libsdl-ttf2.0-dev00:30
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lcukw000t, thank you.  it failed the first time, but i did apt-get update and then everything went smoothly00:32
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livindedis the application used http://www.arachnoid.com/linux/nokia/ safe to use in order to gain root privs, or is there a better way to do it00:41
johnxyes, becomeroot is safe00:45
magicrobotmonkeyi just ssh root@localhost00:46
johnxhowever, I suggest you don't just add *all* the repositories on gronmayer.com/it ...00:46
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jkuthat is just stupid advice...00:47
livindedjohnx: ya, I'm hesitant about that00:47
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johnxanyone can add a repository listing to gronmayer and repositories for bora can potentially cause real conflicts when installed on chinook (chinook = os2008)00:49
jkuanyone can also add a repository that installs a keylogger00:49
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livindedwhy keyloggers when you can install rootkits?00:50
livindedwhich repos are safe to use and mix?00:50
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jkusomeone should really make  a package named "canola3" that changes desktop background to goatse and add the repository to gronmayer ...00:51
livindedI wouldn't mind doing that but I don't want to be shunned by the community after being caught00:52
jku:)00:52
acydlorddid i just walk in on the middle of another unmanaged repos conversation?00:52
johnxno, this is just the start of it00:52
johnxyou still have time to join in :P00:52
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jkulivinded: Someone in ubuntu circles did exactly that00:53
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jkupeople were outraged even though it was his personal repo00:53
livindedI have reason enough to hate ubuntu, I don't need any more00:53
johnxtwo wrongs don't make a right00:53
jkujohnx, his own personal repo that people started to misuse...00:54
johnxah, ok...now it becomes clearer00:54
johnxthough why he made it public if he didn't want people to use it...00:55
jkusure00:55
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johnxstill, abusing the community's trust doesn't seem like the right way to go about proving something00:56
acydlordnot to mention some of us are in the security community00:57
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jottwell he made the point that adding arbitrary repositories is a bad idea .. ;)00:58
acydlordit would create quite a bit of fallout on whoever would do that00:58
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jkuacydlord, absolutely. and people don't really learn that well from humiliation00:59
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livindedso make it actually take there information, they do learn from getting owned01:00
livindedor they just leave because they are afraid01:01
jkuhopefully not the intended result?01:01
johnxwell, it's like telling your neighbor he shouldn't leave his car doors unlocked and when he continues to do so, you take some rotten vegetables and put it under his seat...01:01
raflis there a searchable maemo-developers archive?01:01
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livindedor like getting people to rm -rf their root dir01:02
jottafaik the package he injected was not malicious just a "proof of concept" .. but given the blind trust of many users a malicious package could easily be distributed..01:02
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johnxrafl, yes01:02
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livindedthey quickly learn not to do it again and hopefully not to ask stupid questions01:02
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rafljohnx: where?01:02
johnxrafl, here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/01:03
johnxhad to dig up the link :)01:03
jkurafl, or use google with "site:lists.maemo.org"01:03
jkulivinded, do you have some evidence that people learn like that?01:03
livindedjku: I have irc logs01:04
acydlordi've gotten someone twice in one day with rm -rf *01:04
livindedthey either learn or they don't come back01:04
raflthanks01:04
livindedeither way there is a positive outcome01:04
jkulivinded, that's your opinion01:04
johnxit's not our responsibility to badger people into improving their security...and I don't think fostering an environment of paranoia and mistrust is a good thing...01:05
acydlordi've only done it when the person is extremely obnoxious and unwilling to learn01:05
livindedand I can also say that I'm proof that it works, years ago I fork bombed my box after asking a stupid question in an irc channel01:06
acydlordgenerally in this sort of community education and cooperation is how it goes01:06
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acydlordalways research to your fullest before asking a question :)01:07
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jottwell using untrusted repositories may break things or even worse bear some backdoored packages in it - not that i know of this ever happenend but people tend to be incautious..01:08
acydlordanyone else been having issues with the latest n810 image being corrupted?01:09
* Navi hugs the N80001:09
livindedacydlord: nope, I just flashed mine01:09
acydlordgot corrupts twice with the flasher in winders, downloaded the image, and its still telling me the image is corrupt01:10
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acydlordi think its a windows issue =x01:10
johnxis the file not downloading cleanly? they posted md5sums right?01:10
acydlordthere we go, working from the flasher this time01:10
jottnot that i agree with the method of this particular guy but in the end it would be better to only use centralized repositories that can be considered "trustworthy"01:10
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jottand the maemo repository situation *is* a mess01:11
acydlordthat it is01:11
johnxI think they're actually working on getting stuff into extras without as much fuss...01:11
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johnxI definitely see mumblings on the mailing list in that direction...01:11
acydlordoops, i forgot to back up01:11
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NaviSweet01:12
Navijott++01:12
jottyeah.. well autobuilder or alike would be the best solution :)01:12
johnx"don't make good an enemy of perfect..." :P01:13
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Naviwhere can I find python-hildon :|01:14
rm_youthey still haven't even responded about my application to extras >_>01:14
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johnxNavi, in "Extras" maybe?01:14
johnxdoesn't python2.5-runtime depend on it?01:14
jottNavi: python2.5-hildon -> http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages01:15
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NaviI have that repo :|01:15
johnxpython2.5-hildon is what you're looking for...01:15
Naviit's not showing up on my application list01:15
jottit's python2.5-hildon not python-hildon :)01:15
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Naviyeah, I'm searching for _just_ python01:16
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jottwith app manager?01:16
Naviyes01:16
johnxrm_you, hi. :) I think new package inclusion guidelines are a work in progress so far01:16
jotthmm i guess you need red pill or anyother crap mode for that ;)01:16
rm_youheh yeah01:16
Navi:/01:16
johnxNavi, you don't need red pill01:16
Navik01:16
johnxscroll down to P and see if python is there01:16
jottor just use apt-get ;)01:16
Navik01:16
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rm_youthe app manager still seems very useless >_>01:16
rm_youi've never gotten it to let me install anything01:17
johnxwow01:17
rm_youor found anything via its interface01:17
rm_youmost of the time it throws errors on updating packages...01:17
rm_youerr01:17
NaviThis device is a trick01:17
rm_youupdating repos01:17
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havegarsomeone knows how to use gtkmozembed in hildon?01:17
rm_youwhich works fine with apt-get update01:17
NaviYou buy the device, and then you have to buy everything that should come with it01:17
rm_youor it freezes on updating01:17
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GeneralAntillesrm_you, sounds highly a-typical.01:18
johnxNavi, hmm? like what? SD cards?01:18
lcukmapping?01:18
GeneralAntillesI've been using the app manager for 2 years without major trouble.01:18
johnxGeneralAntilles, rm_you is actually unlucky enough with handheld linux devices that I believe him...01:18
GeneralAntillesHa01:19
lcukrm_you, probably got bad repo listed, just cull the lot apart from the 2 base ones.01:19
Navijohnx, SD cards, screen protector, casing, keyboard, USB Host01:19
rm_youlcuk: apt-get update throws two GPG errors, that's all i can figure01:19
rm_youbut it totally breaks the process in the app manager when i try01:19
GeneralAntillesThe GPG errors are non-fatal.01:20
lcuki thought you had that licked last night with it being that media app?01:20
johnxah...one of those tricks where Nokia gets you to buy stuff from companies totally unrelated to them? :P I see it now...it's all a conspiracy01:20
rm_youthat's what i thought... but <_<01:20
rm_youlcuk: that was the reboot-loop issue01:20
rm_yourtcomm-beta is broken again apparently :(01:20
GeneralAntillesNo01:20
acydlordyou know i've seen a lot of people complan about having to buy cases, sd cards, screen protectors01:20
acydlordwhat other devices come with all of tis?01:20
rm_younow i'm just talking about the app manager misbehaving01:20
GeneralAntillesUpdating to rtcomm-beta with apt-get upgrade is broken.01:20
jottdpkg --purge hildon-application-manager  ;>01:21
rm_youGeneralAntilles: worked before :P but yes, i know that doesnt necessarily mean anything01:21
GeneralAntillesNavi, how is that any different from any other mobile device? :P01:21
acydlordmy n810 came with 2 stylii, a slip case, and a screen wipe01:21
rm_youlol01:21
jottGeneralAntilles: WORKSFORME :P01:21
* Navi wonders why he's being a retard and punching in crap with the OSK.01:21
* lcuk still mourns his slip case01:21
acydlordmy centro came with a stylus and a charger01:21
NaviGeneralAntilles, my phones don't need 'em :301:22
GeneralAntillesPhones aren't mobile computers.01:22
NaviSure they are01:22
johnxmy N800 came with a power adapter and all I bought for it was a 2GB SD card...01:22
smackpotatowhere can i find find01:22
acydlordi've never seen any mobile device that comes with goodies01:22
acydlordi was actually excited to see the micro fiber screen wipe01:23
NaviThat's why you steal 'em.  Haggle the sellers!01:23
lcukacydlord, you got a wipe :O01:23
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rm_youpoor johnx, didn't even get a stylus >_>01:23
acydlordwell if you buy the n810 at a sprint store they will throw in a travel charger and usb headset if you haggle01:23
johnxor buy a used one as a "package deal" on ebay...01:23
NaviI use my brother's DS wipe01:23
Naviit rocks01:23
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rm_youi use a screenwipe costco gave me for free with a pair of glasses >_>01:24
Navisoft and oil removey01:24
acydlordyeah, i was shocked mine had a screen wipe01:24
johnxyeah, glasses wipes work great01:24
lcuki havent even attempted to clean mine in a few days01:24
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lcukit doesnt get "dirty" tho01:24
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acydlordmine doesnt either01:24
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acydlordi use the wipe on my ds and my centro01:25
NaviI'm extremely anal, gotta use the stylus01:25
lcuki sometimes have to blow bits off it01:25
johnxNavi, that will last about 2 weeks01:25
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acydlordeven when i finger type mine doesnt get dirty per se01:25
acydlordi'll notice an odd fingerprint or 2 when the screen is off01:25
lcuktouching with fingers on this device is very poor01:25
johnxthumb typing is just too much faster than stylus typing for you to resist01:25
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lcukthe ui is designed around the stylus01:25
lcukapart from kb01:26
Navijohnx, I've carried a DS for months, still stylusing, even on Pheonix Wright: Ace Attorney01:26
johnxI actually haven't used a stylus with mine much at all since march or so...01:26
lcukdo you use a nail?01:26
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jotthmm i barely use he stylus01:26
jottthe01:26
johnxsometimes...usually I use my fingernails though :)01:26
acydlordi rarely ever use the stylus01:26
acydlordunless i need to scroll in the browser01:27
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* lcuk eats himself01:27
johnxO_o01:27
jottsometimes i use my wacom penpartner pen ;)01:27
lcukjohn, not literally01:27
arezendesomebody knows if there is a problem on gtkmozembed using hildon?01:27
johnx:P01:27
johnxyeah, kinda figured01:27
lcuki have small stubby short nails01:27
johnxyou really don't need much01:27
lcukive got no big toe nail about 20% of the time01:27
lcukit just keeps falling off :S01:28
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* lcuk should go to a doctor really01:28
lcuk( hopes he grossed the chan out ;) )01:28
Naviwoo, that was much quicker than punching crap out in xterm with the OSK.01:28
_Shurik_lcuk: calcium deprivation? Probably due to drinking too much01:28
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lcuki can understand that reasoning, and you might actually be right01:29
johnxsolution: eat something with cheese while drinking01:29
johnxmay I suggest nachos?01:29
lcukthough, its probably more that i dont have the best diet01:29
NaviIt's impossible for IRCers to get grossed out over the net.01:29
lcukit seems pretty civilised on here, ive not ventured outside tho01:29
johnxour collective threshold of gross is just waaaay to high...01:30
acydlordseriously, i used to be an ircop on a server that had a ascii of goatse as the motd01:30
Navi:301:30
johnxacydlord, wow...you sure know how to pick 'em01:30
GeneralAntillesNavi, s/OSK/vkb/01:30
lcukthe thing with crap like that is unfortunately there are always those who havent seen it01:31
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NaviGeneralAntilles, fag01:31
GeneralAntillesGo with the flow or GTFO! :P01:31
jottGeneralAntilles: s/vkb/internal keyboard/ :P01:32
inzfuck the flow01:32
rm_youinz: hey whazzup :P01:32
johnxs/vkb/letter squares/g :)01:32
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inzrm, winter vacation \o/01:32
rm_you!! :P01:32
magicrobotmonkeyim using modest mail and i keep getting this popup that says application email closed01:33
magicrobotmonkeyeven though its not open01:33
acydlordmagicrobotmonkey, modest has been giving me errors like that for the last 3 builds now01:33
_Shurik_might need to find a bolder mail client01:33
rm_youinz: want to be the deb packaging assistant for adv-backlight? :P01:33
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magicrobotmonkeyacydlord: so, just ignoring it?01:34
acydlordpretty much01:34
inzrm, maybe next week01:34
rm_youlol01:34
jkumagicrobotmonkey, acydlord: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296801:34
acydlordbeen meaning to submit a bug report01:34
jkuplease confirm/vote01:34
inzrm, i intend not to dig out my laptop this week01:34
magicrobotmonkeysweet01:34
acydlordjku, thx01:34
inzrm, and n810's keyboard isn't all that perfect01:35
magicrobotmonkeyim getting pretty fast with it01:35
johnxrm_you, what help do you need with packaging?01:35
magicrobotmonkeyexcept ive been meaning to move pipe and tab to shortcuts01:35
lcukive replaced mine and only use it when i have little to type.01:35
lcukapple bluetooth rocks01:35
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rm_youjohnx: i need it to build a second deb called "advanced-backlight-icons-lcars.deb" with no executable, just to put icons in the right place01:36
johnxhmmm...I probably need to get better at debian packaging anyways01:36
Naviwoo hoo, mypaint froze mah tabletz01:37
rm_youalso, anyone here good with C memory management? I need someone to take a really close look at my code again, since someone in the forums mentioned it might be leaking01:37
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lcuknavi, gloss or emultion?01:37
Navi?01:37
lcukyourpaint01:37
Naviwhat?01:37
Navi>_>01:38
GeneralAntillesHaha01:38
inzrm, i can check it for leaks... ...but not this week01:38
johnxmmm...wall candy01:38
lcukrm - if its not tonnes ill take a peek01:40
lcukjust leave me a pm with where i can grab it from, ill have a look after my bath01:41
rm_youheh k, it's fairly short01:41
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NaviIs there a flat, dark theme for Chinook?01:44
GeneralAntillesEcho doesn't fit that?01:45
NaviNo01:45
rm_yougah... i was hoping that would go away after a reflash... >_>01:45
rm_youit keeps popping up "USB device not supported"01:45
Naviouch01:46
rm_youwhen there's nothing plugged in to the USB01:46
_Shurik_hmm, I saw that too a while back01:46
_Shurik_try to remove sd01:46
rm_youto make it stop spamming me for a while i have to do the OTG/HOST toggle thing01:47
rm_youbut then it inevitably comes back01:47
rm_youwhichever one i have selected01:47
rm_youhrm... SD, you say?01:47
_Shurik_just throwing it out there01:47
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Zicpackage for GPE PIM are avaible for chinook ?01:54
rm_youyes01:54
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Zicrm_you: where is it located, please ? I don't find it in maemo.org/maemo's repositories02:00
rm_youlook on gronmayer02:00
johnxsearch for gpe on gronmayer.com/it02:00
Zicthanks02:00
GeneralAntillesor google. <_<02:01
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Zichmm02:02
Zicit seems that I haven't got Maemo Extra Repository -_-'02:03
johnxyup, probably just disabled :)02:03
ZicGeneralAntilles: yeah, my first solution, but redirect to maemo.org …02:03
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Zicjohnx: yes, I've forgotten to reactivate it, sorry …02:04
GeneralAntilles2nd link on google for "gpe os2008" gives me what you want.02:04
johnxno worries :)02:04
johnxgood to see gpe stuff in extras02:04
johnxI didn't realize it got included yet...02:04
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ZicGeneralAntilles: « gpe pim os2008 » return many bad results, sorry, I didn't use correct key words02:05
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arezendesomebody has some knowledge on gtkembedmoz using hildon?02:14
Zicjohnx: yeah, included, but not installable for the moment, it seems …02:21
johnxah, that's unfortunate :/02:22
ZicI will try more late02:22
Zic(it depends of libsoupe that it can't be installed)02:22
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rm_youi got it to install earlier today02:29
rm_yougpe-calendar02:29
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pupniklcuk have you looked into vsync yet?03:05
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zeptardogreetings :)03:23
johnxhello03:23
zeptardowould maemo run on an ipod touch?03:24
johnxnope03:24
zeptardoif so, can anyone direct me to a project site?03:24
johnxthere are tons of reasons why it's pretty unfeasible, so it probably won't happen at all03:25
magicrobotmonkeyhow about webkit on maemo03:25
johnxmagicrobotmonkey, I know a couple different projects have been attempting that from different angles03:26
magicrobotmonkeysweet03:26
johnxnothing that's really a "release" yet though, but I think it might actually get somewhere03:26
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magicrobotmonkeyi was just reading a post about some of the more interesting ui decicions apple made for safari on the iphone03:27
magicrobotmonkeywhich, i guess, you wouldnt really need webkit for03:27
johnxthere seems to be continued interest webkit-gtk so that should pave the way for various gtk-based webkit browsers03:27
magicrobotmonkeyyea, i know epiphany is already well on its way to a webkit backend03:28
johnxyeah, and midori looks nice as well03:28
magicrobotmonkeyhmm interesting03:29
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pupnikgreat nick, but long03:32
pupniksomewhat frightening03:32
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magicrobotmonkeyheh, everyone's got tab-complete, right?03:37
pupniksure03:38
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Navimagicrobotmonkey, tab competion is fer nubz, real men type out your ridiculously long name.04:11
magicrobotmonkeyheh its been mine for long enough now that it flows like water from my fingertips04:11
pupnikTak: around?04:12
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Navipah04:15
Navimaemo.org goin' too slow for mah tastes.04:15
Naviand it's ridiculously hot in my room04:16
Navi80 degrees F outside04:16
* johnx is kinda jealous04:16
NaviI'm going to turn of the PC for a while >_>04:17
Navijohnx, cold?04:17
magicrobotmonkeyheh04:17
johnxnot bad now , but it was really cold this morning, just like it will be tonight04:17
NaviI was wearing a heavy jacket expecting 30 degree weather like it was yesterday04:17
magicrobotmonkeywe've had 100+ inches of snow this winter04:17
NaviHot as hell04:17
johnxthat is some pretty crazy weather you've got04:18
NaviYeah, it is.04:18
NaviThat's Texas weather for you :P04:19
NaviI can't wait until I replace this box with something lighter and cooler04:20
johnxI wish my computer produced more heat :|04:20
NaviMy room is hotter than it is outside at the moment, want to trade?04:21
johnxdone04:21
magicrobotmonkeyi'm huddled in front of a woodstove, if that makes you feel any better04:21
Naviawesome04:21
Navimagicrobotmonkey, toast some marshmellows04:22
johnx...and dcc them to us04:22
NaviXD04:22
Navilol04:22
magicrobotmonkeyheh04:22
NaviNerd humor ftw04:22
johnx:D04:22
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pupnikanybody know how to turn off vi's auto-indenting for when i paste code from somewhere else?04:30
pupnikahh google04:31
Navi:set noautoindent04:31
pupnik~"hello google my old friend~04:31
pupnik~"i've come to talk with you again"04:31
Naviheh04:31
trulspupnik: set paste04:31
NaviAw04:32
pupnikthanks, and set nopaste to return04:32
trulsyep04:32
NaviNuvoPearl has the best font/colors, but also is incredibly ugly04:32
trulsit's also possible to do that after the initial paste, but that requires some forgotten vi-magic04:32
* truls will try to look it up04:32
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trulsit's always _after_ pasting you remember you need 'set paste' :)04:33
Naviyeah04:34
Navithank god for undo :P04:34
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pupnikhmm when i paste from another sb vi, i get04:38
pupnik>---framesRendered++;04:38
pupnik>--- in front of everything04:39
trulseven with set paste?04:39
pupnikyes it is translating the blue >--- markers (some special tab indicator?) to actual >--- characters04:40
pupnikso maybe i need to turn off the festure that shows those indents04:40
pupnikor maybe i'll try navi's noautoindent next time04:41
trulsofcourse if you mark the >--- markers, it will also copy that04:42
trulsit's part of the text in the terminal, right?04:42
pupnikscratchbox vi adds them04:43
trulshow would the terminal know what part of the text is the application and what is your text04:43
trulsyes04:43
trulsthe source vi, right?04:43
trulsnot the paste target vi04:43
pupnikyes04:43
derf:set nolist04:44
pupnikthank youuu04:44
trulsah, that's what you wanted to know :)04:44
trulsi thought you explicitly set list earlier, so you wanted it to be like that, but still ignore it when copying04:45
* truls wishes N800 had a usable 3D-chip... *sigh*04:45
rm_youhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/25/nokias-nanotech-morph-goes-on-display-signals-melting-devices/04:50
rm_you>_>04:50
rm_youseven years?!04:51
* rm_you wants04:51
johnxin this post apocalyptic future all the UI designers have been killed off...04:52
GeneralAntillesHehe04:52
GeneralAntillesCan't it be the lawyers and UI spec makers instead? :(04:52
johnxor the phone sanitizers? :)04:53
lcukrm_you04:55
lcukpupnik, not on this device, whats your boggle with vsync04:56
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rm_you?05:01
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rm_youlcuk: ^_^05:01
pupniklcuk: eventually i will need to deal with vsync from my sdl app05:01
pupnikgetting 58.7 fps and tearing at the moment05:01
lcukdoesnt tearsync handle it05:01
pupnikdunno i'll google that05:01
pupnikcool.  i have a zen-like square that changes color05:03
lcuki know its in omap, but not sure about sdl - ive got first base test up now.  i can get full res font rendering at between 10-15 fps, ive just got the sdl-ttf lib in and am trying to hammer it into place to see if the quality of my homemade bitmap font is any good05:03
pupnikcool05:04
lcukbook reading *will* be better for flat books :)05:04
lcukhope i dont lose much when i move to an rgb surface05:04
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pupnikthat's plenty imo05:05
lcuktheres a really nice sweet spot speed wise using the XV rendering at 480*48005:05
lcukits like the old amiga resolutions - kind of a halfway house05:05
lcukim hoping to get the same adaptability with sdl to let the user choose speed over detail, or have a high detailed static screen transforming automatically into a lower res mobile screen - it may be tough tho because usually the screen flickers when changing res05:06
lcukahhh rm_you, before i forget, i took a look at your code and noticed something glaring to me, but might be totally right for gtk05:07
rm_youk05:08
lcukeverytime you change the icon, you call the following:05:08
lcukgtk_button_set_image(GTK_BUTTON (button), gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile));05:08
lcukwhat happens to the original image memory?05:08
rm_youerk?05:08
lcukie, the image you assigned before05:08
rm_younot sure how to deal with that05:08
rm_youi guess i could like.... create the image, set it, and then delete it05:09
rm_youmaybe05:09
lcukyou should maybe hold a variable with the latest image on, then when you replace it, call gfree or whatever is needed05:09
lcukimgnew = gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile);     gtk_button_set_image(GTK_BUTTON (button), gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile));     gfree(oldimg);    oldimg=newimg;05:09
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rm_youi will change it to that just to be safe05:10
lcuk(i dont know the specifics, but just reading the code made it stand out05:10
soloalright05:10
lcukonthing else is run as often for a leak to matter05:10
rm_youyeah05:10
soloI have a small 7inch touch screen and I want to run maemo as the main gui05:10
lcukie, if you leak in init or destroy code its not gonna matter05:10
solopossible?05:10
* pupnik thanks nokia again for such a fun linux device to hack on05:12
lcuki was just saying to the missus the other day, this is the first time in years that i have been coding entirely new stuff05:13
johnxsolo, maemo seems to mostly target 800x480 screens and not all the applications you see on the N8x0 are open source05:13
lcuki havent felt like this since my amiga days05:13
johnxother than that, there are debian packages which are enough to get you a basic desktop05:13
rm_youjohnx: 2 days till debian05:13
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derfThe button adds the image as a child, and when doing so sinks its floating reference.05:14
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rm_you?05:14
dospod?05:15
derfIf you replace it, it removes the old child, releasing the floating reference, and freeing the widget.05:15
rm_yousooo05:15
rm_youis it fine as it is then?05:15
derfIt's not a memory leak.05:15
rm_youwant to look at the rest of the code briefly? :P05:15
derfNo, not really.05:15
rm_youlolk05:15
derfIt's time to go home.05:15
rm_youthanks tho :P05:16
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pupnikcheers derf05:20
pupnikKillvideo rendered: 2207 emulated 220705:20
pupnikFPS: 66.6005:20
pupnikmwaahaahahaha05:20
dospod... stella :]05:21
pupniknah i don't have time for that atm05:21
pupniknow i have to redo the whole video rendering subsystem.  atm i'm just drawing a 320x240 color every frame05:22
dospodpupnik wat r u working on?05:23
pupnikfceu05:23
johnxwait...that's fceu rendering at 60+fps ?05:24
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pupnikemulating at 60 fps yes05:24
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johnxstill, that's a massive improvement, right?05:24
pupnikheyuuge05:24
johnxI assume this has something to do with your struggle with the gp2x code?05:24
pupnikyes :)05:24
johnxvery awesome05:25
trulswoo05:25
trulskid icarus will ride again05:26
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dospod:] yea improvement05:27
pupnikjohnx: i couldn't get the regular fceu to run without sound dropouts without tweaking settings for every game05:27
pupnikand then i was getting these intermittent pauses05:27
johnxyeah, I was too05:27
lcuki get them, its either the os being busy, or the os clocking down05:27
johnxah05:28
johnxthat would make sense05:28
pupnikno that's an incorrect assumption05:28
lcuksome runtests it judders for seconds at a time, others its smooth as a bell, same exe05:28
pupnikthe pauses are within fceu itself - the frameskip code05:29
pupnikoh you've got a different version lcuk05:29
lcukive got a different everything, im talking running progs in general05:29
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dospodsooo05:41
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GeneralAntillesNo.05:45
dospodno.?05:46
johnxwell, you might be able to...05:46
dospod??05:50
johnxwell, it sounded like you were about to ask a question ("sooo") and we decided to answer it for you. :)05:51
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dospodi was trying to break the silence05:56
GeneralAntillesInterrupting an idling session is highly irregular. :P05:57
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dospodwho said i was normal ;]05:57
dospodc'mn im 15 and i like atari and kanye05:59
GeneralAntillesHehe06:00
GeneralAntillesKanye West makes me laugh.06:00
GeneralAntillesI like his music, but he's absolutely off his rocker otherwise.06:00
dospodyea he has a mmajor ego problems06:01
GeneralAntillesHehe06:01
GeneralAntillesAbsolutely out of his damn mind.06:01
dospodbut i likke stronger, introduced me too a badass band06:02
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dospodi like daft punk's  new cd alive06:04
trulswoo, new cd?06:07
* truls is so outdated06:07
trulshm, reminds i need to find the new shiina ringo06:07
dospodalive , but its like a classic hits mix06:08
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dospodrobot rock is pretty badass06:09
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ds3any word on when the real version of gvm will be out?06:59
GeneralAntillesWhen it's ready, I'd guess.07:01
johnxhas Palm even said whether they're really working towards a release? or what their long term plans or? or pricing? or anything...?07:04
johnxer...not palm, but whoever is doing this...07:04
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GeneralAntillesNot that I've seen, johnx.07:13
GeneralAntillesBe nice if we could get pixel doubling for the Garnet VM07:13
johnxit would be nice if they don't just discontinue it and leave people in the lurch...but I really don't see where they're going with this...07:14
johnxI mean, I'm trying to play "follow the money" here, but I just don't see it...07:15
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GeneralAntillesHehe07:15
GeneralAntillesWhat else does ACCESS do?07:15
johnxthey're doing a Linux based OS for handhelds I think07:16
GeneralAntillesNetFront, too.07:16
johnxmaybe they plan to implemement a compatibility layer for maemo or ... maybe they're just using tablet users as a beta environment to test compatibility07:17
* johnx is natually pessimistic07:22
GeneralAntillesYou're the third person that's said that to me today.07:22
johnxother people have said that I'm naturally pessimistic?07:22
johnx:P07:22
GeneralAntillesIt's creeping me out.07:23
GeneralAntillesIs today The Cynic's National Holiday or something?07:23
johnxmaybe you're just missing out on the trend07:23
johnxwhy not become pessimistic like us!07:23
johnxs/!/?/g07:23
infobotjohnx meant: why not become pessimistic like us?07:23
GeneralAntillesOh, I am.07:27
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Ar-rashi07:31
johnxhello07:31
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pupnikKillvideo rendered: 2976 emulated 297607:39
pupnikFPS: 97.6707:40
pupnik0_o07:40
johnxso...maybe you don't really need to run the CPU at full speed?07:44
pupniki have some nice abstract art on screen now07:44
pupniki guess that's progress07:44
GeneralAntillesHah07:44
johnxa frame limiter would do wonders for battery life I'm sure07:44
pupniki'm just constantly confused here07:49
pupnikbrain too small07:50
GeneralAntillespupnik needs his spinach.07:50
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pupnikTrying to do this:  "Copy contents of XBuf over to video memory(or whatever needs to be done to make the contents of XBuf visible on screen). Each line is 256 pixels(and bytes) in width, and there can be 240 lines.  The pitch for each line is 272 bytes."07:52
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pupnikwoohoo i can recognize shapes!08:57
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oilinkido we have kismet available for n810?09:05
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johnxyes, thought you have to do a little work to make it actually behave (the nokia wireless stuff interferes with it I think)09:07
johnxs/thought/though/g09:08
infobotjohnx meant: yes, though you have to do a little work to make it actually behave (the nokia wireless stuff interferes with it I think)09:08
oilinkijohnx: I noticed there was an mistral repo with kismet. is this the place to download it?09:09
oilinkiand how much work are we talking about ? :)09:09
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johnxI heard about it on internettablettalk.com/forums but now I can't find the thread09:12
johnxI haven't tried it in maemo, but it worked well when booted into debian09:13
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johnxcaptured a couple thousand packets over ~40 minutes with no problem, so the hardware and the drivers aren't a problem, just other things trying to control the state of the wireless card09:14
johnxchipset, not card...but you get the idea09:15
rm_youjohnx: how goes the debian audio struggle?09:16
rm_youjohnx: my raid just about died again >_<09:16
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rm_youevery time this machine reboots, i have to manually put it back together and fsck it09:16
rm_youalso every time this machine reboots, it only gets past initramfs 1/4th of the time09:16
rm_you>_<09:16
rm_youi miss a working server09:16
johnxrm_you, that doesn't sound too good09:20
johnxis this ubuntu?09:20
johnxcause they do a lot of strange things to the kernel09:20
rm_youdebian >_>09:21
johnxah O_o09:21
rm_youubuntu wouldnt even load my raid09:21
johnxwell...that's awesome09:21
rm_youand its not like i have the OS on it...09:21
johnxput together a vanilla kernel09:21
rm_youthe OS is installed on a standalone drive, sda1 >_>09:21
rm_youit just refuses to behave09:21
johnxvanilla kernel with not initramfs and just the drivers you need09:21
johnxs/with not/without/g09:22
infobotjohnx meant: vanilla kernel without initramfs and just the drivers you need09:22
rm_youthe sad part is, the raid stuff works fine in the ubuntu livecd... then i install... and it will either: A) not properly form the raid, or B) kernel panic09:22
johnxlook, try a vanilla kernel09:22
johnx(I need to as well)09:23
johnxI'm still having irq issues09:23
GeneralAntillesSounds like fun.09:25
* johnx stabs via chipsets09:29
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rm_you>_>09:42
rm_youKernel panic - not syncing: CPU context corrupt09:42
rm_you>_<09:43
rm_youjust started happening today09:43
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rm_youwhy can't my stuff just WORK >_<09:44
Stskeepsrm_you: satan's law: anything you do will fail until you give me your soul09:45
Stskeeps:P09:45
rm_youack09:45
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rm_youapparently it is caused by an MCE failure09:46
rm_youwhich usually happens when the CPU or memory is overheating!09:46
rm_you>_> but it isn't09:46
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rm_youcputemp: 34C09:47
GeneralAntillesHaha09:48
GeneralAntillesTechnology hates rm_you.09:48
rm_you>_<09:49
rm_youand my windows machine (this one) is starting to run SLOOOOOOOOW09:49
rm_you... with a dualcore X2 and 2g of ram, and an 8800GT09:49
wwppeople w/ such hardware should not complain!09:51
rm_you...09:51
rm_youit takes 2+ *MINUTES* to open notepad09:51
rm_you>_<09:51
rm_youand if i click anything in the system tray, it crashes explorer.09:52
rm_youso bleh09:52
rm_youi'm going to go cry myself to sleep. see you guys tomorrow >_>09:52
* rm_you watches his n800 randomly reboot, as a final insult before going to bed09:53
jkugood day, huh?09:53
johnx'night rm_you09:53
johnxbetter luck tomorrow...09:53
johnxrm_you, you really have terrifyingly bad luck with tech...09:54
johnxGeneralAntilles, this is not a new thing for rm_you. He's basically cursed to only be able to help other people get their systems working...but never his own09:55
GeneralAntillesMaybe it's him? :P09:55
johnxor some type of aura or an ancient voodoo curse09:56
johnxwho knows?09:56
johnxask him about his zaurus 5500, or how his last CRT died09:56
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hrwmorning09:57
johnxmornin'09:57
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pupniki need a harem of c hackers :(10:49
* BTobotras use to think harem has another meaning10:52
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pupnikdamn zelda theme song...10:53
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hrwBTobotras: there are many strange deviations...10:56
BTobotrashrw: indeed10:56
pupnikdo either of you want to fix up some problems with an emulator for me?10:58
pupnikKillvideo rendered: 5544 emulated 554410:59
pupnikFPS: 110.6810:59
pupnikmwahahahaha10:59
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johnxheh...you could probably run at 160MHz and still get 30fps11:08
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pupnikon gp2x they get 60fps @ 150mhz11:12
pupnikwe will be a bit slower due to memory and framebuffer non-optimization11:13
JaffaMorning, all11:14
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lcddhuh, os2008 doesn't ship with netcat11:32
maddlermorning all11:33
GeneralAntillesOS2008 doesn't ship with a lot of things.11:35
GeneralAntillesSpace IS an issue.11:35
lcddyou could fit a crapload of network utils into one megabyte11:37
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_collin_anybody noticed that the maemo-launcher is eating memory?11:39
_collin_I had my n810 running for a few days and had to reboot yesterday because maemo-launcher was aat 60% memory11:39
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:45
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floriangood morning11:51
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pupnikhuhu12:08
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maddlerpupnik: heya, dude12:12
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pupnik<pee wee herman> What does it mean???  I   DON'T   KNOW!</pwh>12:15
pupnikhiya maddler12:15
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hrwlcdd: but maemo is not made for network analyzers but for users12:40
hrwlcdd: plain minds12:40
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Lynourewould not call most users plain minds... the less plain just find a way to get the software they want on the tablet :)12:43
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hrwLynoure: each time when I do something on tablets I feel that it was for plain minds12:44
hrwlot of 'are you really sure' type of messages, 'this package is not from nokia' in appmanager, lack of software in default repositories etc12:45
johnxI think that's just a big corporation at work12:45
johnxcovering their collective asses12:45
Lynourehrw: out of those two is explained by Nokia not wanting to be responsible for stuff packaged by other people..12:46
lcddthe confirmation dialogs are getting on my nerves as well. especially when switching wifi on and off12:46
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Lynourelcdd: yes, that on is getting to me as well.12:46
hrwanyway I skip using appmanager12:48
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johnxyeah, about 80% of the confirmation dialogs need to be removed12:54
johnxthe way firefox does things (warn the first time and offer an option to warn everytime) seems reasonable though, as well12:55
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Spakman_johnx: totally agree about the confirmation dialogs13:01
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pupnikAre you sure you agree about the confirmation dialogs?  [Y/N]13:07
Spakman_lol13:09
johnx"Do you want the OS to treat you like a child and hold your hand so you don't get lost? y/n"13:10
johnxand if you answer y it just keeps all the annoying confirmation dialogs :)13:10
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trulswhile (luser) { luser = confirm("Do you wish to see these dialogs? y/n"); }13:14
johnx"Warning, failure to see these dialogs may cause the lawyers at Nokia to lose sleep. Proceed?"13:15
Fang64_lol13:18
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Mikhohello. Would someone know about a bluetooth RFID reader I could use with Nokia 810?13:32
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MikhoIf anyone has used one, I'd like to hear about the experiences13:33
johnxProbably none will work out of the box, but probably any one that can be made to work with Linux can also be made to work with the N8x013:34
johnxhave you used one with Linux?13:34
MikhoI haven't used any commercial bt rfid reader yet13:35
johnxhmm...I wonder how they appear to the OS13:35
Mikhobut we're thinking about using one in a project13:35
johnxI know that some of the barcode readers back in the day just showed up as a keyboard and therefore didn't really need separate drivers13:36
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jkujohnx, that sounds like a stupid idea though13:36
johnxthe barcode thing?13:37
johnxwhy?13:37
jkushoing up as a keyboard13:37
jkushowing, even13:37
johnxmade interfacing to it absolutely fool proof13:37
johnxit was harder to *not* have it work13:37
jku:)13:37
MikhoI don't have much experience working with bluetooth yet13:39
johnxah, the cuecat did it that way13:39
MikhoI wonder how well it works in N8x013:39
johnxjku, it just hooked inline with the keyboard13:39
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johnxMikho, can you link me to a product page for one of the bluetooth rfid readers you were considering13:40
johnx?13:40
MikhoI found this: http://www.baracoda.com/baracoda/products/p_21.html13:40
Mikhobut it looks like it'd want windows13:40
MikhoI wonder if it's possible to make it work anyway13:41
johnxmy initial thought would be that there is probably a way to make it work...but then again, I'm not the one buying it13:44
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MikhoIt's important that the end user wouldn't need to do hours of configuring in order to make it work13:45
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johnxwell...if you shipped them the tablet *and* the reader or created a .deb package with the necessary configuration changes13:46
johnxit shouldn't be a problem...but this is all hypothetical at this point13:46
Spakman_I'm hitting a problem using libosso (ruby-maemo) and multiple threads - anyone know much about this stuff?13:47
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MikhoI wonder if .debs can install device drivers and stuff13:48
johnxyes13:48
johnxthey can install anything and you can use a "postinst" (post install) script to do any necessary setup13:48
MikhoIt would also be nice if the user could use *any* bt rfid reader13:48
Mikhook, that's good13:48
johnxhmm...I've googled but I'm really not seeing much about Linux and bluetooth rfid readers13:49
johnxthat's what you need to find out about, if Linux supports them at all.13:49
MikhoWhy does the rfid reader care about the operating system in the other end?13:49
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Mikhoshouldn't it be enough that both devices support bluetooth?13:50
johnxwell, you can transmit any format of data you want over bluetooth13:51
johnxif two devices are bluetooth it then opens up the possibility for them to speak to each other with higher level protocols13:51
MikhoI see13:51
Mikhothen, why would I have to explicitly look for linux bluetooth rfid readers?13:52
MikhoMaybe I should check the newest maemo documentation if there's something about bt there13:53
Zero_Doggas long as you've got software that can communicate with it you should be ok I think13:53
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Mikhook13:54
MikhoOf course, I shouldn't expect every bt rfid reader to send the same kind of data13:54
Zero_Doggno, therein lies your problem I think. They probably don't send any standardized data, and I doubt they come with the source for a linux program you can port. So it's either reverse-engineering the data, or googling for something that already works13:55
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johnxsorry if I was unclear...I didn't know if you expected it to work "out of the box" without having to write some software that interprets the data13:55
MikhoOh... we're planning new software here :)13:56
johnxyou can almost certainly get data out of them but you might need to know how the rfid reader encodes that data...13:56
Mikhothe one in the link I posted would be nice as it'd double as a stylus too13:56
johnxso does a sharp stick :)13:57
MikhoWe had some problems before as the user would need 3 hands to hold the tablet, the stylus and the reader13:57
johnxah...that's a good point actually13:57
johnxI could see how elective surgery to add extra limbs could be costly...13:58
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johnxIt really will depend on if the reader hands off the data in some strange format that or something that complies with standards14:07
MikhoI need to find that out14:08
Mikhogahh, can't find anything on the company website14:08
johnxhere's some info on librfid (an rfid stack for linux): http://openmrtd.org/projects/librfid/index.html14:08
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Mikhohmm14:10
MikhoI wonder if there's any other way than bt to connect to the reader14:11
Mikhothere's the usb port, but...14:11
johnxthat gets clunky pretty fast14:11
johnxyou'd have to have the stand open all the time14:12
Mikhoyes14:12
johnxif you can find one that attaches through a serial port you could use a serial over bluetooth adapter I guess, but again: clunky14:12
Mikhobt would be so nice14:13
johnxYou should just send an email to the sales people at that company that makes the pen based reader. Tell them you plan to order lots and it depends on them getting you some information you need. They should be plenty motivated14:13
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Mikhohaha14:14
johnxreally, try it. be vague about the numbers if you need to, but just make it sound nice and professional. :)14:15
johnxmuch better to talk to sales before you buy it than support afterwards. Sales is much more motivated to solve your problems14:16
MikhoI'll try to remember that :)14:16
MikhoWell, aren't the used car dealers a lot more nice *before* you buy the car14:17
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johnxYou just need to know exactly what to ask them.14:18
Mikhoah, found another, better website14:18
Mikhothat has actual technical specifications14:18
johnxnice14:18
Mikhobut their faq page gives a server exception :/14:18
Mikho*server error14:19
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johnxclassy. They must really know their stuff. :P14:19
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johnxhmm...If I were a betting man, I would bet that the bluetooth rfid reader pen used serial-over-bluetooth14:23
johnxin which case rfdump would work just fine14:25
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johnxhmm...looks like the popular interface is through compactflash14:28
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johnxa zaurus 6000L would be an ideal host for such a thing, but I think they've been discontinued for a while now14:30
johnxI assume that the N810's wifi is an important part of your project?14:30
Mikhoyes14:31
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Mikhohmm, are there wlan-rfid readers?14:32
johnxsomehow I doubt it14:33
Mikhothen, what's the difference between rfid tags and nfc tags?14:33
johnxI have never heard of nfc tags14:33
Mikhoon this website there are separate categories for the two14:34
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johnxit's an extension of rfid (which is ISO 14443), according to wkipedia14:35
Mikhooh, nfc is about communications over a centimetre or so distance14:35
Mikho*decimetre14:35
johnxthe people at rfdump.org are willing to add support for any rfid reader if you pay them :)14:36
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pupnikBug: No international keymapping for N810 libSDL?14:37
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johnxanyways, I need to get some sleep14:39
johnxgood luck with your project Mikho14:39
* johnx sleeps14:39
pupnikcheers johnx14:39
johnx'night pupnik14:39
Mikhothanks14:39
Mikhogood night14:39
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K-Foxi have sony DS970 headset but my bluetooth music is out to lose contact with n80014:46
K-Foxi dont know the reason14:47
K-Foxon kagu player14:47
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pupnikis it possible to broadcast a2dp music?14:55
pupnikso i could set up a little streaming 'radio station' and people with bluetooth devices nearby could 'discover' my stream and listen-in?14:55
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K-Foxpupnik: my bluetooth is often cut a music on kagu player14:58
K-Foxi want a cool music14:59
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pupnikgood luck15:04
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Mikhoright, the reader I linked earlier actually has a price tag of 600e or so15:18
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K-Foxwhere is a2dp-support package ?15:20
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|tbb|hi all15:41
|tbb|anyone knows how to mount another box (with n8x0) filesystem via ssh like sshfs does it on ubuntu for example15:42
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hrw|tbb|: you need fuse modules and fuse utils15:44
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|tbb|gronmayer tells maemofuse-sshfs is there but only for os06, do you know if that work for chinook?15:47
hrwwill not15:48
|tbb|so fuse tools not available right now for chinook ?15:50
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hrwno idea15:54
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hrwone day I will build them for my own use15:54
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|tbb|why wont share that ?15:55
hrwfysa: my web hosting does not provide nfs or smb - only ssh and ftp15:55
hrw|tbb|: first need to build, then to test15:55
fysaah, yes, that's an ugly situation.15:55
|tbb|my networkstorage should not support anything else but ssh ;)15:55
fysayou can use fish:// from KDE15:56
hrwand maemo already is full of repos with nothing and conflicting deps15:56
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magicrobotmonkeyyea in looking forward to getting fuse running on my n810 as well15:59
* |tbb| got gnome desktop and sshfs is no problem there, also im telling about sshfs from tablet15:59
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fysaKDE on tablet = fish:// and ftp:// via konqueror16:02
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|tbb|ah, there you go. i was  talking about native os16:05
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hrwhildon-control-panel require lot of gnome libs....16:14
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hrwuf.. finally built ukeyboard in OE16:46
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hrw~blame maemo devs for not using DESTDIR in 'install' part16:55
* infobot blames slomo_ and perhaps maemo devs for not using DESTDIR in 'install' part and all the evil in the world16:55
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pupnikhttp://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/gcc/optimize-options.html  gcc optimize options17:16
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KhertanHi17:24
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hrwpupnik: I prefer gcc doc official17:26
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BTobotrashrw: red hat is pretty close to being official :)17:29
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KhertanSomeone know where i can change my keys on garage.maemo.org about extras repository ?17:57
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Spakman_alterego: I'm having a strange problem with my ruby libosso callback. It works fine unless I have my long running (it usually runs all the time) thread which performs some SQLite3 work and then sleeps. If I have this, I get some strange segfaults with errors like "undefined method "call" for [somethinghere:sqlite_3..: String". Although18:04
KhertanGRRRRRR DEBIAN REPO SUCKKKKKKSSSSS !!!!!18:04
hrwKhertan: Debian or rather maemo repo?18:04
jumpulacan you be more specific? :)18:04
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alteregoSpakman_, that does sound odd.18:04
hrwI can agree that maemo repo suxx. but not that debian repo suxx18:04
Spakman_alterego: although, the errors is just as often something: "...'call' for 1: String" or "... 'call' for [xxx,sqlite3]:Array"18:05
Khertanhrw > debian tool to make repo ... and maemo to just accept rsa signed file !18:05
Spakman_Occasionally, with the thread running, the callback will work.18:05
hrwKhertan: thats other story18:05
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Spakman_Works every time without the thread.18:05
alteregoWell, that could mean there's a) A problem with my callback code, or, B) Ruby is playing silly buggers.18:05
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hrwKhertan: you can always go maemo way and create yet-another-maemo-repository-with-duplicates18:05
alteregoHmm,18:05
hrw;D18:06
alteregoWell, I'll have a look into it, Threads and callbacks.18:06
Khertani ve modify PyPackager to be able to upload package to maemo extras ... but rsa algo isn't available on the tablet with gnupg18:06
Spakman_thanks alterego18:06
Khertanhrw> yes but ... i don't know why my repo created myself don't work with this stupid application manager !18:06
Khertanthey should use synaptic instead of this things !18:07
czrhey alterego18:07
alteregoHey czr long time :D18:07
alteregoHow are you ?18:07
Spakman_alterego: I looked at libosso.rb and wondered (seperate thing) if line 127 should say "unless block_given?" instead of "unless proc".18:08
czralterego, busy busy busy. have three projects going on. seems that everyone wants me to work on something interesting at the same time. murphy and all. you?18:08
alteregoYeah, not bad.18:09
alteregoGot an interview for a new job on Thursday.18:09
alteregoSpakman_, I'm guessing 'proc' is a block, so they should be equivalent.18:10
czralterego, cool. good luck with it :-)18:10
Khertan3 days and still no answer about changing my key for maemo .... pfff18:11
alteregoczr, Thanks :)18:11
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Spakman_alterego: but in this case, since there is no local variable called proc, will it not call Kernel#proc and return nil?18:12
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alteregoSpakman_, I'll have to check later. I don't have access to the source right now.18:17
Spakman_OK, sure18:17
alteregoYou could be right though ;)18:17
alteregoMaybe you should try editing the file :P18:17
Spakman_alterego: is the C source available somewhere? Can I have a copy, please?18:18
Spakman_alterego: initial tests with edited file seem better (removed a warning).18:18
alteregoIt would be in the SVN repository. But that's currently down.18:18
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alteregoHopefully I'll have some time to get into ruby-maemo this evening, or tomorrow.18:19
alteregoBut I can't promise anything :)18:19
Spakman_no worries, whatever you can manage :)18:20
Spakman_Any idea when SVN will be back up?18:20
alteregoWhen I start working on ruby-maemo again, as it'll have to be up for me to check out the source ;)18:21
Spakman_ah, seems logical enough!18:21
alterego:)18:22
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Spakman_catch you later folks, dinner time for me.18:40
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dookdookjust got my nokia n800 today.  pretty excited18:46
SDuensinCongrats, dookdook.  I'm a recent N800 buyer.  Love the little thing.18:48
dookdooksduensin, can't wait to put some software on it.  any suggestions?18:48
pupnikmplayer18:49
Veggenmaemo mapper is of course a must.18:49
SDuensinWell, put the new OS on it before you do much of anything.18:49
X-Fade_Khertan: ping?18:49
dookdooki'm completely new to this..i've just perused the maemo site...they're up to 4.0 now, right?  thats the one i should install?18:49
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jkudookdook: 4.0.118:52
Veggennewest OS20008. 4.0 is the SDK version, not?18:52
mgedmindookdook: flash latest OS2008 (if you don't have it already)18:52
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mgedminbest apps: fbreader, maemo-mapper18:52
mgedminwell, a lot depends on what you want to do with it18:53
mgedminI can't live without load-applet to get a CPU & memory indicator in the statusbar18:53
jkudookdook, yeah just tpick the newest OS2008, I thought you were referring to the SDK18:53
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mgedminI used to want statusbarclock too, but now I don't have space for it18:53
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mgedminopenssh is nice18:53
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mgedminif you're comfortable with the command line18:54
dookdookyeah, i think i'm confused...the sdk is up to 4.0.1, but the os is os2008...18:54
dookdookits not going to break anything, is it?18:54
mgedminwhat isn't?18:54
jkuwhat is "it"?18:54
dookdookos200818:54
mgedminflashing a new OS image isn't going to break anything (unless you run out of battery power)18:54
mgedminif you've got a new n800, you already have os200818:55
mgedminbut maybe an older version18:55
mgedminthere was a bug where some n800 just didn't want to power on18:55
mgedminit's fixed in the latest 2008 release18:55
mgedminyou can see the full version number in the control panel (about device)18:55
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dookdookversion 3.2007.10-718:58
SDuensinOh yea, that's OLD.18:58
dookdooki bought it used...18:58
mgedminis it? right, OS 200718:58
mgedminOS 2008 is prettier and has more functionality18:59
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mgedminI suggest flashing it18:59
dookdookso, i'm downloading "the second it os2008 release for nokia n800"...i assume thats the right one?18:59
mgedmindo you use linux, mac os, or windows?18:59
dookdooki use linux on my laptop18:59
dookdookone of the reasons i wanted the nokia...cause of linux18:59
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mgedminyay19:02
mgedminfound the linux flasher already?19:02
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dookdookme?19:03
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* mgedmin nods19:04
mgedminI suppose the page with flashing instructions that pointed you to the os image also pointed to the flasher program19:04
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dookdooki only see the .bin, the license and the md5sums19:05
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dookdook(.bins (plural) rather)19:05
mgedminhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/19:06
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mgedminmaemo.org is so slow again :(19:07
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dookdookis it just me or is it a lot snappier?19:13
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mgedminwhat is?19:15
mgedminmaemo.org or the n800 with os2008 on it?19:15
dookdookthe latter19:15
mgedminhm19:16
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dookdookanyway, installed and working19:16
mgedminit's nicer to use; I haven't noticed it being faster or slower19:16
jkudookdook, which OS did you have before?19:16
dookdookjku, version 3.2007.10-719:16
jkuI think the clock speed was raised between them...19:17
jkuso it would be faster19:17
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mgedminah, right19:19
mgedminthe magical software update that increases cpu speed19:19
Naviwoo19:19
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dookdookalrighty...thank you mgedmin19:20
GeneralAntillesWell, clock speed and major code improvements.19:21
dookdooklooks prettier too19:21
Naviis there a vi package with color support?19:21
mgedminit's the first nokia it os with beautiful default theme19:21
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mgedminvim19:21
mgedminit should be in maemo extras, but probably isn't, because I'm lazy :(19:22
Navi>_>19:22
mgedminhttps://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/19:22
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mgedminhm, that page says "Author: Marius Gedminas"19:23
mgedminwhich is misleading19:23
mgedminI packaged it for maemo; I didn't write it19:23
NaviThank you19:23
zoranalter ego of mgedmin ?   :)19:23
* mgedmin teaches zoran about /whois19:24
zorannope, not real alterego19:24
alteregoYou rang?19:24
zoranas Freud thought19:24
zoranhe-he19:24
zoranI just forgot about that nick19:25
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Navi>_>19:25
Navi"maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate.19:25
Navi"19:25
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koshiGot a question regarding on screen keyboard and japanese layout, after installing anthy and scim-anthy which is meant to be a japanese input method, I donot get the on screen keyboard any more. It just never appears, anyone know about this problem?19:26
derfOS 2008?19:27
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koshiYep sorry on n81019:27
derfOh... I never got an onscreen keyboard on the N810.19:27
derfIs there a reason to want one?19:27
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zoranyeah, to have your own!19:28
koshiIts easier to use then the little extensible one. At least for me, still, installing two applications that apparently make use of the SMART Common Input Method, and kill it, doesn't seem smart <_<19:28
koshiSo I was wondering if anyone successfully managed to get writing japanese support going. Or perhaps knows how to start the on screen keyboard manually.19:29
derfAnyway... I'd e-mail makoto. He's pretty responsive.19:30
derfI've gotten it going just fine, but no onscreen keyboard.19:30
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derfThe biggest problem I've had is that it seems to break sticky modifier keys.19:30
mgedminkoshi: I don't have my n810 yet, but I'd like to know how to get a real vkb there too19:30
mgedmindoesn't it pop up when you have the hardware keyboard closed?19:30
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derfI.e., you have to actually hold down Fn while pressing q to get a 1.19:31
mgedminI've also heard something vkb-ish happens when you press shift+space19:31
derfInstead of pressing one after the other.19:31
koshiSorry who is makoto? mgedmin yes, normally yes it does. But for some reaosn it no longer does it, once I remove all scim and anthy packages it comes back...19:31
derfkoshi: The author of maemocjk? It's on the website.19:31
mgedminhmm19:31
pH5does anybody know how to get gtk scroll bars to the left side of the screen? "echo gtk-scrolled-window-placement = top-right > ~/.gtkrc-2.0" didn't do the trick.19:31
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derfmgedmin: shift+space is the normal SCIM trigger.19:32
koshiAhh I see il bung him an email19:32
mgedminscim probably changes the GTK input method19:32
derfI don't think he's got scim integrated as well as he did uim.19:32
derfI'm not sure why he switched, other than to get some on-screen feedback about the current input mode.19:33
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derfAnyway... I fixed the horrible vkb show/hide stuff for him before. I could probably do it again, but I wouldn't hold your breath on it happening any time soon.19:34
koshiThere used to be a little random pop up thing when you pressed chr button (that you use for random characters not on the actual physical keyboard) that no longer pops up either. It is meant to be called from the physical keyboard. But yeah il bung him an email see what he says.19:34
derfI could never figure out what the Chr key was for.19:34
derfEven before I installed maemocjk.19:35
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koshiActually I only found out about it today. When my lecturer was playing around with it, he just pressed it randomly and it popped up a mini on screen thing with physical keyboard active as well.19:35
derfI mean, I pressed it. But nothing like that ever happened.19:36
koshiOh o_O19:36
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koshiThink its meant to activate when you are in a text field already19:37
koshiOh yeah derf, you got maemocjk on n810 then?19:37
derfkoshi: Yes.19:37
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koshiAnd it works?19:37
derfThe japanese-support, anyway.19:37
derfYes, it does.19:37
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koshiWith the on screen keyboard? Hmmh maybe I am missing a package for it...19:37
derfNo onscreen keyboard.19:38
derfAs I said, I never had an onscreen keyboard, even before I switched.19:38
Navimgedmin, thank you19:38
derfBut I didn't play around with it very long before installing maemocjk.19:38
derfSince I was, you know, in Japan when I got it.19:38
koshiOh, you can enable it via control panel, automatically its off I believe.19:39
derfAh, I see.19:40
derfThat would explain it.19:40
derfProbably explains why Chr didn't do anything, also.19:40
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koshiYes perhaps. I do like the on screen keyboard more, its hand writing recognition is pretty good even with my crappy hand writing.19:40
mgedminoh? cool19:41
derfWell, for maemocjk on OS2006/7, he had to implement his own vkb.19:41
mgedminI could never get it to work satisfactorily19:41
derfSo, no handwriting recognition.19:41
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mgedminalso, vim's command mode is not very forgiving of mistakes ;)19:41
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derfNow, that also meant it was easy to do your own custom keyboard layout.19:41
derfSo on the whole I didn't mind.19:42
koshiBut was planning to go to japan in a year's time or so and was hoping to get some more practise at least writing in in. And would be useful anyway over there.19:42
derfBut my guess is he simply hasn't gotten around to porting that to OS2008 yet.19:42
derfIt is _extremely_ useful to have over there.19:42
derfEspecially if you're just visiting.19:42
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derfBut you'd better be able to read Japanese, because there's precious little English on the Google maps maemo-mapper uses.19:43
koshiYes, it works fine with the physical keyboard, and I can type a word using hiragana sounds and if its right, it does convert it to kanji, but no idea if its right as I only started learning hiragana recently.19:44
derfIt's very often not.19:44
koshiHaha19:44
dookdookwow quake.  does that run at a reasonable speed?19:45
derfPersonally I can't stand anthy. So I ported over scim-skk.19:45
derfI still need to send makoto those patches.19:45
BugBluemmm someone tried asterisk with N810 and video support already?19:45
koshidookdook, I tried doom demo and it was fine i just sucked at using the controls....19:46
GeneralAntillesQuake/Quake 2 run great19:46
GeneralAntillesControls are basically perfect for the tablet.19:46
magicrobotmonkeywhoa19:47
magicrobotmonkeywhere do you get quake from?19:47
koshiHmmh, scim-skk you say. Il have a look at that.19:47
derfReally?19:47
derfI find the d-pad on every version of the tablet to be impossibly clumsy for games.19:47
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glassnokias 4way designed pads suck bigtime for gaming19:48
SDuensinAnybody ever try and pair a bluetooth PS3 controller or Wiimote to it?19:48
koshiNot sure on quake, but doom can use stylus its strange but I did get to second level haha19:48
glassngages the only nokias with decent pad for gaming19:48
GeneralAntillesmagicrobotmonkey, google.19:50
magicrobotmonkeyheh19:50
dookdookto install software, i just dump it on the memory card and click from the tablet?19:50
GeneralAntillesderf, the d-pad isn't great19:50
Navifbreaderupdate woo19:50
GeneralAntillesbut the controls are perfect for what it's got to work with.19:50
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GeneralAntillesMouse look with the stylus, WASD -> d-pad19:51
Naviglass, LIES19:51
Navithe N-Gage's dpads are one of the best dpads I've ever used.19:51
Navioh, four way19:51
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Navinevermind ^^19:51
SDuensinI'm confused.  Navi used "N-Gage" and "best" in the same sentence.19:51
Zichmm, I'm asked me if it is possible to disable the "Nokia bootsplash" to have a verbose boot19:52
NaviSDuensin, the N-Gage had it's flaws, but there were a few things good about it, namely, the D-Pad.19:52
Ziclike erase the "quiet splash" options in /boot/menu.lst19:52
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GeneralAntillesNo, Zic.19:54
pupnikwow the gimp can no longer set number of colors to save in a .gif ?19:54
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pupnikoh duh neverrmind19:56
Navi:319:56
glassNavi: i liked classic ngages gamepad quite a bit.. the center action was still usable19:56
glassNavi: but on other s60s the pads suck and they're electrically made self blocking..19:57
NaviI hate center click buttons on any dpad/analog stick >_>19:57
pupnikbtw i might be able to get usb mouse support for 2 player action19:57
Navisexy19:58
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czrhas something happened that people all of the sudden started downloading the maemo vmware image much more? (the torrent)20:02
Naviczr, a plague of retardation has occurred.20:02
czrNavi, just a plague? :-)20:03
NaviYes, just a plague.20:03
GeneralAntillesHa20:03
czra friend seeds about 80% of it and was wondering why there's all of the sudden much larger interest in it than normally.20:03
NaviWell, let's check digg to see if something interesting has happened20:04
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Navihrm20:05
Navimodest doesn't handle massive amounts of email too well.20:05
GeneralAntillesI bet it was just this channel.20:06
czrGeneralAntilles, 49 peers.20:06
GeneralAntillesLot of people have been referred to it recently.20:06
NaviGeneralAntilles, including you20:06
czrah. well. it's not my server, so I don't really mind :-)20:06
derfI thought modest was supposed to be able to handle large inboxes?20:06
GeneralAntillesFor reasonable values of "large".20:07
NaviIt's supposed to work well on lower spec devices.  I only have 300 messages :P20:07
czr10k?20:07
derfI mean, that was the reason the old mail client was completely unusuable for me. It would run out of RAM before it ever once successfully opened my inbox.20:07
derfI consider "reasonable" to be 20K messages or so.20:08
NaviLol20:08
GeneralAntillesThat's obscenely large for most people.20:08
* czr secretly admires derf20:08
NaviEven my spam box on an account I had for ages never reached that high20:08
Naviwith spam pruning off20:08
czrI have 7K in spambox. it's running with 20 day retention atm.20:08
derfMy smaller accounts only have 10K or so messages.20:08
Navichrist20:09
derfAnd that's after all the spam is filtered out.20:09
czrderf, you count mailing lists?20:09
GeneralAntilles^20:09
GeneralAntillesJust gonna ask that.20:09
czrcause that's cheating.20:09
NaviVery much so20:09
derfczr: Only the ones I actually read.20:09
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czrwell. still. :-). how many years worth of stuff do you have there?20:10
derfOf course, if I don't read it, I don't subscribe to it.20:10
derfRoughly 2? I keep losing hdds.20:10
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czrthat's a lot then I guess.20:10
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uliseshello all20:11
derfIt's only around 60 real messages/day.20:11
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NaviYou use modest with 20k messages?20:12
derfNo, I haven't tried it yet.20:13
Navi>_>20:13
derfI just use webmail.20:13
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Navi20k would be too much anyways >_>20:13
fysait hurts.20:13
czrI've cut down on emails. Not replying to people really helps in the long run.20:14
derfI'm not sure why... even if you needed to keep 1K of data per message resident in RAM, that's only 20MB.20:15
GeneralAntillesI don't really see the point of loading the whole archive into the tablet.20:15
GeneralAntillesNew messages are enough for me.20:15
derfI find it _really_ helpful to be able to search old messages.20:15
derfI use e-mail like an external memory.20:15
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NaviI use imap, I hate receiving new message signals on multiple devices20:16
dookdookso freakin sweet20:16
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derfThe little "Subject or Sender contains..." textbox in Seamonkey is basically the most awesome feature ever.20:17
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Navis/imap/pop3/ >_>20:18
derfOh, that makes much more sense.20:18
czrNavi, heh. was wondering :-)20:18
Navi:P20:19
derfI don't generally have things notify me if I have new mail.20:19
derfThe answer is always "yes".20:19
czryou have autoresponder setup to answer all emails with "yes"? that's pretty cool :-)20:19
NaviI wouldn't want to be notified if I were you anyways.20:19
derfczr: Hah, I should do that for a week.20:20
derfAnd see if anyone notices.20:20
czrthen switch to 'no' for the next week20:20
czractually. do a randomizing yes/no/maybe autoresponder.20:20
derfyes/no/ask bob20:20
czrheh20:20
czror, you could take it a step further and make an "alice"-style autoresponder.20:20
derfI was thinking eliza.20:21
czrhmm. same thing?20:21
derfI assume.20:21
* czr nods20:21
NaviWant to fuck? "Yes" You're not afraid of fucking men? "No" So where should we meet? "ask bob"20:21
derfUnless you were going for an alice/bob crypto reference, which would make no sense.20:21
czrderf, could be. I'm tired. long day/other excuse. :-)20:21
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czrI mean the "why do you feel that blah blah"-generator.20:22
derfThat's the one.20:22
derfTell me about "why do you feel that blah blah"-generator.20:23
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czrheh20:25
dookdookis gtk+ really light weight enough for use on the nokia?20:25
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czrdookdook, depends on whether you mean the tyres or the rubber boots20:25
czrrubber boots generally survive pretty well with GTK+20:25
dookdookum...you lost me20:26
Navigtk+ is a widget toolset, it's up to the developer whether or not it's light enough.20:26
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czrdookdook, yes.20:26
czrdookdook, if GTK+ is used on the devices, then it must be good enough to be useful. right?20:26
czrdookdook, also, nokia used to make car tyres (sold off to nokia tires) and rubber boots (discontinued)20:26
Navis/toolset/toolkit20:26
dookdooki see...20:27
dookdookyeah, i could have phrased the question better.  it was more a request for elaboration...20:27
dookdookmeaning, just how slow is gtk+...20:28
dookdook(as opposed to straight x calls?)20:28
czrit is slower.20:29
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czr"just how slow" means that you want to benchmark it.20:29
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jkuwhy stop there. straight framebuffer for the win...20:29
NaviHeh20:29
czrjku, and if you restrict rendering to a nice 0x0 pixel rectangular off-screen area, it will be fastestest ever :-)20:29
NaviXD20:29
NaviStraight X calls fail at unification.20:30
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czrunification of what?20:30
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Naviof appearence20:30
czrmodify X only to suppor black and white and 2-pixel wide 90-degree lines then.20:30
czrinstant unification.20:30
NaviHrm, true20:30
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NaviThank god for GTK+ though.20:31
* czr coughs and hides20:31
SDuensinWhat's the recommended way to upgrade the OS on my N800?  If I run the backup tool, reflash, and restore, is that enough?  Or am I going to lose things?20:32
* Navi throws GTK+ widgets at czr20:32
* czr feels the softness of g-object properties entangling his hair and curses slowly.20:33
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mgedminSDuensin: you may need to reinstall apps20:33
mgedminafter the restore20:33
NaviXD20:33
jkuhah they are so slow it should be easy to duck20:33
mgedminI think the restore in OS2008 offers to reinstall them for you automatically20:33
mgedminbut not if you made the backup with an older OS version20:33
SDuensinBut things like browser favorites and settings get backed up?20:33
SDuensinI'm going from 2008 to the new 2008.20:34
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mgedminyes...20:34
mgedminactually, there's a scary bug on maemo.org about restore failing to restore everything20:34
* czr sends vista marketing material to all Navi's friends and adds a note saying "Enjoy! Navi" to each package20:34
mgedminI wasn't bitten by it20:34
NaviOHSHI-20:34
czrjku, massive aierial drag methinks.20:34
mgedminmy OS2007 backup was restored on OS2008, and I never missed anything20:34
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mgedminalthough there's a different bug where after my kind of restore bluetooth pairing with keyboards becomes difficult ;)20:34
SDuensinOk, guess I'll be brave and upgrade it.  :-)20:35
wzzrdhi, does anyone here have a UK version of the N800?20:35
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wzzrdor at least can someone tell me the differences between the EU version and the UK version?20:35
mgedminis there a difference?20:35
wzzrdi don't knw20:36
wzzrdbut I can buy a UK version relatively cheap and I live on the European mainland20:36
czrthe UK version smells funny.20:36
wzzrdso I want to know (apart from the powerplug) what the differences are20:36
wzzrdI mean: is the software different, can I load any Maemo image I like?20:37
mgedminpower plug might be different20:37
mgedminthe OS images are universal20:37
mgedminthe same image used for all countries20:38
mgedminyou choose the desired language & region while setting it up20:38
Navijust the plug and manual in different places20:38
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wzzrdthat is great news: the powerplug I can work around, but country specific firmware locked to certain hardware would have sucked20:38
mgedminis there a paper manual still?20:39
wzzrdthanks! now I can *finally* get my N800!20:39
mgedminthe OS image contains PDFs with the manual in several different languages20:39
wzzrdwoohoo! :-)20:39
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eichihello20:39
NaviReally?20:39
eichii have problems with my SD card extern20:39
mgedminI don't know about hardware differences limiting the wifi channels, for example20:39
eichii get the message, that the card is read only20:39
NaviYeah, region locked crap sucks.20:39
mgedminI've heard that the supported channels are different in US and Europe for wifi hardware20:40
wzzrdmgedmin, that might be nasty20:40
Navieichi, flick the switch to make it read/write.20:40
eichi"mount" give me RO option20:40
mgedminI think the EU versions have two extra channels not legal to use in the US20:40
Navimgedmin, that shouldn't be an issue20:40
eichiNavi, ? i did not changed something on hardware20:40
mgedminright20:40
mgedminI was just trying to get an exhaustive list of possible regional differences20:40
Navias long as you don't buy a router that uses those channels :P20:41
Naviah20:41
Navieichi, on your SD card20:41
Navithere is a switch20:41
Naviwith the contacts at the top, the switch should be on the side20:41
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NaviOh20:41
Naviwait20:41
wzzrdi'll check google for county specific limitations on wifi channels20:41
Navieichi, N800 or N810?20:41
eichin80020:41
Naviyeah20:42
eichithe swith is on wr20:42
NaviUp position, correct?20:42
eichithere was no problem the last monts20:42
eichibut then i got a error with meamo mapper and it doenst work anymore20:42
Navidoes your PC write to it fine?20:43
wzzrdwikipedia only tells of differences between channels in the US and Europe / Japan20:43
wzzrdI suppose Europe includes the UK here :)20:43
eichiNavi, my n800 write it fine the last months20:43
eichii did not change anythink20:43
eichibelieve me20:43
eichik=g20:43
Naviyou UK people, just because you're an island...20:43
Navieichi, I believe you20:43
Navihowever, your SD card still could of developed problems.20:44
Navieichi, can you still write to it with any other devices?20:44
wzzrdok, I'm gonna order :) thanks navi and mgedmin20:44
eichii dont have any other sd devices20:44
GeneralAntillesRO generally means it's corrupted.20:44
NaviMy friend broke his sd card switch once20:45
Navi^_^20:45
GeneralAntillesSDuensin, don't forgot to re-enable Extras before restoring.20:45
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SDuensinExtras?20:45
NaviI didn't know I had to enable extras, so I was thoroughly confused20:46
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NaviSDuensin, extras repository20:46
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SDuensinOh.20:46
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Navilunar linux?20:46
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GeneralAntilleshttp://lunar-linux.org/20:48
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NaviYeah, I figured it out :P20:48
dookdooksorry for the basic question...how do you get rid of the "get started" and "os2008 user site" things on the main desktop?20:48
GeneralAntillesTap the menu20:48
GeneralAntillesSelect Applets...20:48
GeneralAntillesGo ahead and uninstall the flash tutorial from app manager, too.20:49
NaviGo through the "Get Started" app to figure it out.20:49
Navi</irony>20:49
dookdookgeneralantilles, thanks20:50
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SDuensinAs much as I despise Windows, the Nokia flash updater is pretty slick.20:50
jkuhow so?20:51
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koshiDon't hate windows, just think of it as a sub-standard product20:51
SDuensinWell, it works.  :-)20:51
GeneralAntillesIt has no features, though.20:51
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GeneralAntillesThe Linux/OS X flashers you can actually do something with.20:52
NaviWhat, the flasher?20:52
SDuensinAnd I don't have to do anything.  No downloading, no selecting which ROM, nothing.  Just run it and go.20:52
NaviYeah, that's how Nokia designs all of their flashers20:52
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koshiSDuensin, you get apps like that in linux world as well, they are relatively rare as programmers make too many assumptions20:52
eichiit isnt read only20:52
* SDuensin is a big Linux fan, too.20:53
eichiits a maemo mapper problem20:53
Naviyay20:53
SDuensinActually, I'm currently installing a program with too many options.  :-)20:53
NaviI like options20:53
koshiHeh, I would't call myself a linux fan, I use it as the user interface is way nicer. If microsoft separated ui from the kernel, I would consider installing a windows.20:54
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SDuensinkortsi - "Windows Server Core" has no UI.20:55
koshiNo UI is also bad, their shell really sucks big time...20:55
Navipowershell is a powered shell20:56
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SDuensinPowerShell isn't too bad.  Too bad it's so glued to M$ technologies.  I hate single-platform "solutions".20:57
Navihrm20:58
Navican fbreader do pdf?20:58
koshiHmmh, interesting never seen it before, but that still leaves their horrid ui there :) Generally when was using windows, rarely had issues with the actual OS. More programs that fail.20:58
SDuensinNavi - Not yet.20:58
NaviDamn, there goes part of it's usefulness20:58
SDuensinNavi - I wish it did.  The included PDF reader is...lacking.20:58
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koshiWhats wrong with included pdf reader? It seems alright20:58
gomia2.20:58
NaviNot as feature-packed as fbreader20:59
SDuensinkoshi - No bookmark support, doesn't remember your horizontal position when you change pages.  That's my big two beefs.20:59
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koshiAh so your right, I do like book marks.21:00
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SDuensinDrives me nuts to have to re-center the page when the page changes, too.21:00
SDuensin(The novel I'm reading has wide margins.)21:00
GeneralAntillesEvince for PDFs.21:00
NaviYou guys use the built in rss reader, or is there something better?21:00
SDuensinEvince?21:01
Navignome PDF reader21:01
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dookdookis there, like, a to-do list of software wanted for the nokia?21:01
koshiOh yeah only briefly looked before21:01
GeneralAntillesSomewhere on ITT.21:01
GeneralAntillesUsed to be a wiki page for it.21:01
Navia lot of it is games.21:01
* GeneralAntilles kinda misses the old maemo software wiki.21:01
SDuensinGeneralAntilles - So build us one!  :-)21:02
GeneralAntillesEh, we still have the maemo wiki.21:02
NaviGeneralAntilles, yeah, doo eet21:02
GeneralAntillesAll the software has moved to Downloads/Garage.21:02
GeneralAntillesIt used to be one big page of software, though.21:03
GeneralAntillesSo you'd load it up and look for screenshots of new applications. :D21:03
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koshidookdook, think that list would be massive ;)21:05
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Navion the top of the list for many would be PIM software that could sync to their crappy proprietary software21:13
SDuensinStill nothing out there that's as fast and easy to use as the PalmOS PIM stuff.  Not even Garnet.  :-(21:14
X-Fade_GeneralAntilles: You can always look at all applications in one big list here: http://maemo.org/downloads/list/OS2008/all21:14
MangoFusionwhat about web based stuff + google gears?21:15
GeneralAntillesI was being nostalgic. :P21:15
SDuensinDoH!  /all!   Been looking for that!21:15
X-Fade_SDuensin: It didn't exist until yesterday ;)21:15
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lcuki think microsoft office outlook professional 2007 architects arse wiping edition is the best in the world    (tho for some reason i keep most of my important pim data in notepad)21:16
SDuensinMS LookOut?  Are you MAD?  :-P21:16
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lcukhey, dont knock it, it managed to lock away emails in a proprietary format quicker than anything else out there21:17
SDuensinhehehe21:17
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* lcuk remembers trying to export emails from outlook21:17
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lcukyou can get at everything apart from the important stuff -> ANY date fields21:17
NaviI need to give Google Gears a try21:17
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NaviGoogle Calendar beats out a lot of calendaring software21:18
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lcukwhen linked with gmail its the dogs21:18
jkulcuk same with calendar data exporting...21:19
jkuit's like the outlook developers actually put considerable effort to have export formats that look fine on the outside but are totally unusable21:20
lcuklol jku, you are shitting me?   i thought it was just braindead in the mail dept.  i had to create a database and tell *spit* access to IMPORT data by pointing it at an imap folder21:20
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jkuadmittedly it was several years back21:21
lcukthis was last friday - i wanted to export all my spam (i reached 10,000 again)21:22
dookdookdoes someone know where i can get the source for the virtual keyboard?  or any other test program for keyboard input?  (i saw the hebrew thing...is that the only one?)21:22
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lcukdookdook, the source is not available from what i understand, but people have implimented other boards for their purposes, which framework (x11/gtk etc) are you wanting it for and people might be able to guide you21:23
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dookdooki'd be interested in any/all frameworks21:24
dookdooki'm talking about using it as a replacement keyboard, not just some keyboard input local to an application...21:24
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Navihrm21:26
Navimy N800 locked while installing pengupop21:26
Navigreat >_>21:26
mgedminjust wait21:26
mgedminwrites to flash memory are slow21:26
Navimmk21:26
mgedminand every now and then it has to stop and run the garbage collector21:26
mgedminwhich is even slower ;)21:26
lcukim not sure then, "Bring out your dead!"21:26
mgedminif it's still stuck after 15 minutes, then worry21:26
lcuk-im not sure then,21:26
* Navi starts the timer21:27
mgedminwell, 15 minutes is an exaggeration21:27
lcuk15 mins is a helluva timer21:27
mgedmin1.5 minutes ir more likely21:27
Navi:P21:27
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* mgedmin tries to interpret 0xford as a hex number21:28
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Naviyeah, I think it's stuck21:28
mgedminreal computers have the advantage of a noisy hard disk to indicate that they're busy21:28
lcukdoes anything work at all21:28
NaviI hear sound while tapping the stylus21:29
lcukis screen blank or stuck21:29
Naviand I can do that see-through-child-window dealie21:29
mgedminwhich is why I'm unable to use a n800 without a cpu usage applet21:29
NaviThe cpu usage applet is stuck21:29
mgedminat 0% or at 100%?21:29
Naviat not moving at all.21:30
lcukhave you got any fullscreen apps running at the moment21:30
Navino21:30
lcukoooer21:30
achadwickMemory is the annoyance on this n810.21:30
lcuktry giving a poke on your power button see if the overlord menu pops up, or try locking it21:30
Navinope21:30
achadwickI suggest waiting for a min or 221:30
NaviI've waited for four21:31
Navifive21:31
lcukshort minutes21:31
lcuk:P21:31
Navisays the irc timestamps21:31
* Navi wonders if he can still ssh into it21:32
GeneralAntillesHit it with a stick!21:32
NaviIt's locked, can't even ssh into it21:33
mgedminmeh,21:33
mgedminwait 30 minutes21:33
* Navi proceeds to pulling out the battery21:33
mgedminif it's still dead, do something21:33
mgedminif it ran out of ram, it may be thrashing for a while yet21:33
Navis/pulling/pull/21:33
mgedmincreating a swap file helps21:34
NaviI'm using a 128MB swap21:34
mgedminah21:34
Naviit restarted on it's own21:34
Navilmao21:34
mgedminwatchdog, probably21:34
Navithat saves me some trouble21:34
mgedminor oom-killer killed something21:34
mgedminwhat were you trying to install?21:34
Navipengupop21:34
lcuknokipop21:35
mgedminit's funny-sad when the CPU watchdog reboots the device while it's running the filesystem garbage collector *at boot time*21:35
Navilol*cry21:35
Navihuh, Street Fighter IV is already ready for localization tests21:37
* Navi is slightly happier21:37
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BugBlue20:34 < BugBlue> I got asterisk recording video from the N81021:41
BugBlue20:34 < BugBlue> however playback is still broken21:41
lcuk:O bugblue, you are time travelling21:42
BugBluenot really....21:42
BugBlueGSM+1 :-)21:42
BugBlueGMT+121:42
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Naviooh, asterisk21:43
Navinothing like a good open source PBX program.21:44
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BugBlueNavi: very nice stuff21:46
BugBluehowever at the moment I have just 1 N810 to play with21:46
BugBluetime for one extra for this kind of tricks21:46
Navi:321:46
BugBlueand asterisk 1.6 isn't that "well" documented21:46
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aquatixevening all21:54
Navievening21:58
Navis/evening/afternoon/21:58
infobotNavi meant: afternoon21:58
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aquatixi know the sed commands ;)22:01
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apple2Has someone tried to compile enlightenment e17 for a 770?22:04
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NaviI doubt it, just a bit.22:04
Naviodd22:04
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apple2well it compiles fine but segfaults when trying to run on the device22:05
apple2I suppose its not a big problem22:05
apple2but can't figure out what it is22:05
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fysacheck dependencies22:11
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lcuke17: Error, Unexpected device found, please install me onto a big computer ;)22:15
lcukoh FUCK22:15
lcuki just popped a bottle top off a beer (using a screwdriver) and its just wedged itself into the wall on the other side of the room22:16
lcuk:O22:16
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aquatixlcuk: :)22:17
aquatixlcuk: better than marinating your device in the liquid ;)22:18
lcuklol yer. i bet i couldnt do that again with a bootle top, it pinged and got caught way over ^^^^^^ there22:19
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edistar_how do I quickly compile some source for OS 2007?22:29
tubtubhi all. I have set up my n810 to mount over nfs. But it seems that when I power it up I have to insmod the g_ether.ko module before I plug in the usb else it does the usb_storage thing. Anyone know how to ensure usb networking gets priority?22:30
Naviboot up the vmware image and compile22:30
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BugBlueHAE22:42
BugBlueI got video working from the N810 to Xmeeting on my mac via asterisk sip22:42
Navicool22:44
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GnutoN810hi22:44
tubtubhi Gnuto N81022:45
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GnutoN810hey tubtub22:46
tubtubHow are things? Up to much?22:47
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BugBluebad thing [tm].. I first have to enable video else it won't work...22:50
BugBlueclick call, click video on, wait for an answer22:50
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BugBlueoke :D22:56
BugBlueit works together with windows messenger 5.1 too!22:56
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GnutoN810BugBlue, are you using amsn or pidgin?23:05
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