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| elb | raboof: I love comments like that | 00:00 |
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| Jaffa | App Mgr's open. Patch it? | 00:00 |
| elb | raboof: "openmoko looks good [as a phone] [except it doesn't make calls]" | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | ...and the UI's a bit sucky, and the hardware's fugly. | 00:01 |
| lcuk_3 | i think i found the nokie n95 flash files ;) | 00:01 |
| raboof | elb: i like their philosophy, but they haven't made it happen yet. makes sense to me :) | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | Unless the PowerVR needs a binary blob, isn't the driver (even if you can identify it) from an N95 going to be remarkably difficult to rev. engineer given the N95's a Symbian device | 00:02 |
| * Jaffa can't remember enough from ER5 driver development to know how hard it'd be | 00:02 | |
| lcuk_3 | does 195MB sound about right for a full n95 flash update? | 00:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_3: I'd guess so | 00:03 |
| lcuk_3 | good | 00:03 |
| pupnik | i have leftover menu entries from uninstalled apps, how do I delete them? | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | Ewww, nasty buggy apps. | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | rm /usr/share/applications/... IIRC | 00:04 |
| lcuk_3 | which is the simplest/smallest nokia with a 2420 and powervr working on it? | 00:05 |
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| Jaffa | ...which has downloadable firmwares? | 00:05 |
| lcuk_3 | tell me a phone ill tell you if its there... | 00:05 |
| Jaffa | N73 | 00:06 |
| lcuk_3 | multiple builds and countries apparantly | 00:06 |
| lcuk_3 | ;) | 00:06 |
| lcuk_3 | excellent though, the firmwares are much smaller | 00:07 |
| melmoth | pupnik: i had some that dissapeared after a reboot | 00:07 |
| melmoth | (this was webhttrack thingy) | 00:07 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_3: dunno if it's 2420 based; I'd *guess* so | 00:07 |
| pupnik | thanks melmoth will try that | 00:08 |
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| Hrw|tablet | Rtcom-beta-os2008 integrates irc in nice way | 00:09 |
| kulve | lcuk_3: what are you looking for? Or why? | 00:09 |
| lcuk_3 | another nokia driver which specifically makes use of the powervr 3d chip within the omap2420 so we can peek at the driver | 00:10 |
| kulve | why nokia? | 00:10 |
| kulve | http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html | 00:11 |
| lcuk_3 | why not? do you know anything else using the omap2420 that has active power drivers? | 00:11 |
| kulve | something google found | 00:11 |
| kulve | now I'm off again | 00:11 |
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| Hrw|tablet | /Me off too | 00:14 |
| pupnik | aha /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 00:14 |
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| * Jaffa thinks that lardman had been looking at the PepperPad's driver (as linked to by kulve) and had managed to get it to load and export a /dev entry | 00:16 | |
| pupnik | anybody here gotten the alsa-oss or esd-oss emulation working? | 00:17 |
| Jaffa | Ah, sysfs entries, but no /dev entries: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg12672.html | 00:17 |
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| pupnik | melmoth: that command i pasted will refresh the menus, apparently | 00:23 |
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| pupnik | anybody with os2007 or os2008 around want to test new dosbox package?? | 00:25 |
| maddler | pupnik: ACK | 00:27 |
| maddler | beside I don't have any dos app to check with :) | 00:28 |
| pupnik | can you do an install straight from browser? | 00:28 |
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| maddler | I'm on my 810 over ssh.. wget? :) | 00:29 |
| pupnik | ok | 00:29 |
| maddler | or I'll have to stand up from my sofa... :D | 00:29 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/chinook/dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb | 00:29 |
| pupnik | but pls don't install via dpkg -i | 00:29 |
| pupnik | use app manager "install from file" | 00:29 |
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| edistar_ | pupnik: app manager via sssh? | 00:31 |
| maddler | oh... gotta remove it then... ;) | 00:31 |
| maddler | gimme a sec... | 00:31 |
| maddler | :D | 00:31 |
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| killfill | hi | 00:31 |
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| pupnik | it should install, set up the config files, and fix the N810 keyboard problem in dos | 00:32 |
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| killfill | i use mpd to stream music to the house. i wish to pre-hear and select the song i want to play previously on my N800. | 00:32 |
| killfill | the music is on a remote server... | 00:32 |
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| killfill | how can i do this?.. can i mount thgourhgt ssh the music dir, so i can play it with the nokia? | 00:33 |
| maddler | pupnik: it seems to be working fine... | 00:33 |
| maddler | but it is not showing among active tasks... | 00:34 |
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| pupnik | i'm not going to implement that | 00:34 |
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| killfill | cannot find any ssh mouting software.. :s | 00:34 |
| killfill | and the music is at the other end of the internet.. no vpn. so wont use NFS. | 00:35 |
| maddler | pupnik: oh... good to know... ;) | 00:36 |
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| killfill | what other way could i use? | 00:36 |
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| maddler | killfill: sshfs/fuse? perhaps... dunno if they've been ported to maemo | 00:37 |
| pupnik | killfill: i think there's a sshfs possible | 00:37 |
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| killfill | hm.. | 00:37 |
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| killfill | look to be a port here.. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/FusePort/ | 00:38 |
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| troll | /nick troll_screamingn800 | 00:40 |
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| killfill | damn.. it depends on python2.4.. have 2.5.. :S | 00:41 |
| pupnik | any OS2007 n800 users around? | 00:42 |
| killfill | hm.. the 'ssh' package includes a ssh server too? | 00:42 |
| lcdd | i just set up ampache for streaming music to my tablet | 00:42 |
| EruditeHermit | how do I start the scratchbox environment? | 00:42 |
| EruditeHermit | once installed | 00:43 |
| killfill | ampache? | 00:43 |
| lcdd | http://www.ampache.org/ | 00:43 |
| melmoth | EruditeHermit: there is a service file in /etc/init.d to start | 00:44 |
| melmoth | then /scratchbox/login | 00:44 |
| pupnik | EruditeHermit: perhaps /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core start | 00:45 |
| troll | Anybody t a clue | 00:45 |
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| troll | (pardon) Anybody got a clue how midi is supposed to work with the maemo alsa stuff? | 00:46 |
| EruditeHermit | pupnik: melmoth how do I get the sbox shell prompt? | 00:47 |
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| melmoth | once the service is started: /scratchbox/login | 00:48 |
| melmoth | Your prompt will be something like: [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] | 00:48 |
| pupnik | troll it does not work | 00:48 |
| EruditeHermit | /scratchbox/login: Permission denied | 00:48 |
| killfill | damn. 'ssh' is bad. | 00:49 |
| killfill | pupnik: you haènd to know if there is another fuse port?.. | 00:49 |
| pupnik | i haven't used it - just plain old nfs here | 00:50 |
| melmoth | EruditeHermit: I never had this problem. | 00:50 |
| troll | I've compiled all the snd-* modules for the latest kernel and can play my midi guitar/keyboard nicely with it. | 00:50 |
| pupnik | EruditeHermit: check /etc/group and see if your user is a member of the sbox: group | 00:51 |
| killfill | how do i fix this? http://pastebin.ca/906740 | 00:52 |
| troll | I've compiled all the snd-* modules for the latest kernel and can play my midi guitar/keyboard nicely with it. But when I try nted from the armel debian archive it can't find my usb midi device. WTF? | 00:52 |
| killfill | wish to remove ssh.. :S | 00:52 |
| EruditeHermit | pupnik: I am | 00:52 |
| troll | pupnik: YEA | 00:53 |
| BTobotras | WTF are those idiots who made g_utf8_collate ignore case?! | 00:54 |
| MangoFusion | neat | 00:54 |
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| troll | pupnik: Yea, I noticed. | 00:55 |
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| troll | pup: excuse the repeats..So far as I can tell the alsa sequencer module isn't compiled in? Right? | 00:57 |
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| pupnik | troll correct, there is no sequencer | 00:59 |
| pupnik | troll, this would be a very nice project to have a sequencer run on the dsp | 01:00 |
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| screamingn800 | pupnik. Yea, right. Anyone got a few hundred Kb available to host the kernel modules that make a real (eg hardware) midi device perform. I have a few niceties I could share for that. | 01:03 |
| EruditeHermit | pupnik: melmoth when I installed, I get an error saying that the scratchbox account for my user already exists nad it aborts setup | 01:03 |
| pupnik | screamingn800: what are you talking about | 01:07 |
| pupnik | timidity? | 01:07 |
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| pupnik | Why are you rerunning the setup EruditeHermit ? | 01:09 |
| killfill | # modprobe fuse | 01:09 |
| killfill | modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep | 01:09 |
| killfill | where should that file be?.. | 01:09 |
| pupnik | dunno, try insmod instead | 01:11 |
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| pupnik | insmod /path/to/yourmodule.ko | 01:11 |
| killfill | uuhg | 01:11 |
| killfill | insmod: cannot insert './usr/share/fuse/module/fuse.ko': Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error | 01:11 |
| melmoth | maybe a depmod -a ? | 01:12 |
| killfill | -sh: depmod: not found | 01:12 |
| killfill | :P | 01:12 |
| melmoth | hmm, depmod will not help with bad format though | 01:12 |
| killfill | i guess the thing was compiled for a old version of maemo.. it has 1 year already.. | 01:12 |
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| killfill | damn. | 01:12 |
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| killfill | no fuse for me.. :S | 01:12 |
| melmoth | who needs fuse when one got scp :) | 01:12 |
| killfill | heh.. | 01:13 |
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| killfill | who need scp when one has a lttle flash with 2G and wish to play with 30G.. :P | 01:13 |
| pupnik | i wish we had a few rhs buttons. like for a right-click | 01:14 |
| screamingn800 | pupnik: An on-board sequencer would be a bonus, however playing a midi synth/keyboard (even my wonderful midi guitar:) works even without that. You can use timidity for on-board sounds very nicely. What I would like to know is if anyone knows how to persuade alsa to enumerate it's midi capabilities for nted. | 01:14 |
| EruditeHermit | pupnik: because I uninstalled it | 01:14 |
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| pupnik | EruditeHermit: ok then remove user from the sbox group | 01:14 |
| pupnik | screamingn800: sounds cool. i found timidity to be a bit of a pig. do you have a timidity with a low-cpu usage config available? | 01:15 |
| screamingn800 | killfill: I got a fuse module that works | 01:15 |
| EruditeHermit | pupnik: I did but I still got that message | 01:15 |
| killfill | screamingn800, oOoh.. where is it?! :) | 01:16 |
| EruditeHermit | pupnik: is there a .directory I have to remove? | 01:16 |
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| pupnik | sorry i don't have the scratchbox install script memorized EruditeHermit | 01:17 |
| screamingn800 | Hmm. lemme make a shar of it... | 01:18 |
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| killfill | screamingn800, you have just the module?. or the userlevel proggies too?.. (i.e. do i still need the maemofuse-sshfs i installed?) | 01:20 |
| Jaffa | BTW, anyone know if either the built-in OS2008 Internet call, rtcomm-beta or Gizmo should work with video calls between two N810s behind different NAT routers? | 01:20 |
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| killfill | sip is a pain for nat.. | 01:21 |
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| * Jaffa and the missus have successfully used the built-in video conferencing between our N810s in our house, but then the last few days when she was at her parents one of them would say "connecting" after answering the ring, but the other would just keep ringing. Then it'd give up. Gizmo allowed us to answer, but then didn't do anything. | 01:22 | |
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| Jaffa | Given 99% of the time when connected to wireless the tablets will be behind NAT, not being able to do NAT traversal (say using callproxy.nokia.com) is a pretty major oversight, IMHO | 01:23 |
| lcuk_3 | i know its a bit of cop out, but couldnt you blast a hole through your firewall to the gizmo port on your nokia | 01:25 |
| lcuk_3 | at least then one of you will be directly available | 01:25 |
| Jaffa | True. Most of the time I'm thinking of using this is when I'm away in a hotel or something, and Mrs Jaffa is at home | 01:26 |
| lcuk_3 | would mrs jaffa mind if you opened one of her ports to the entire world? | 01:26 |
| Jaffa | Not in a TCP/IP sense, no. | 01:27 |
| lcuk_3 | lol | 01:27 |
| killfill | heh | 01:27 |
| lcuk_3 | that might get you round the problem then | 01:27 |
| glass | vpn a solution? | 01:28 |
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| Jaffa | glass: possibly, are there any decent VPN solutions for maemo yet? | 01:28 |
| lcuk_3 | i was thinking more chocolate and flowers | 01:28 |
| glass | Jaffa: beats me, sorry. but i'd think it would be a solution | 01:29 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_3: I'll have a play with opening the ports up | 01:29 |
| glass | Jaffa: something like that is the only reason i'm thinking maybe setting up vpn for my phones | 01:29 |
| Jaffa | glass: possibly | 01:29 |
| lcuk_3 | can the maemo/linux do router autoconf stuff? | 01:29 |
| * killfill waiting for screamingn800's shar... | 01:29 | |
| lcuk_3 | i remember reading that windows computers behind a wall can open router ports for games etc | 01:29 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_3: UPnP port configuration? Linux can. Whether any of the Maemo apps do, no idea. | 01:30 |
| Proteous | only with UPnP stuff | 01:30 |
| Proteous | and UPnP is evil | 01:30 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, but handy. | 01:30 |
| lcuk_3 | thats it jaffa, i remember reading about it ages ago | 01:30 |
| * lcuk_3 never needed it | 01:30 | |
| MangoFusion | full of security holes, etc | 01:30 |
| Jaffa | Good in Azureus :) | 01:30 |
| Proteous | outbound packet filtering becomes useless when a virus infected computer can just open whatever ports it wants | 01:30 |
| glass | does that upnp really work? | 01:31 |
| Jaffa | MangoFusion: it's a protocol designed for opening up ports in firewalls/routers - it's a walking security hole! | 01:31 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 01:31 |
| glass | not sure if it has actually just magically worked with any aps on my routers | 01:31 |
| * Jaffa wouldn't want to rely on it. | 01:31 | |
| Proteous | hell, you can make javascripts in webpages open outbound our inbound ports with UPnP | 01:31 |
| Veggen | I hate that concept, too. | 01:31 |
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| lcuk_3 | why is it a security hole - you only have wholesome legit apps running on the machines iside your lan | 01:31 |
| * Jaffa sighs - how an end user is ever expected to get a good experience out of these things, I'll never know. | 01:31 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk_3: ye-eeeess. | 01:32 |
| Veggen | lcuk: I hope you're ironical now? ;) | 01:32 |
| lcuk_3 | windows vista gives incredible security :) | 01:32 |
| lcuk_3 | ^^^ what do you think? | 01:32 |
| Proteous | ... | 01:32 |
| Proteous | heh | 01:32 |
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| Proteous | of course software firewalls running on the computers you are trying to protect is just a stupid | 01:33 |
| Proteous | as | 01:33 |
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| lcuk_3 | the only truly secure protection method is to disconnect | 01:34 |
| Proteous | you mean a computer that isn't even plugged in to power | 01:35 |
| Proteous | maybe locked in a bank vault or something... | 01:35 |
| Proteous | but still | 01:35 |
| screamingn800 | killfill:v ollocks...Too many beers for making a shar. Skype me..I'm penguin in Antarctica. Still trying to get all the others going, just the module. | 01:36 |
| lcuk_3 | Proteous, bank robberies occur | 01:36 |
| lcuk_3 | so far though, ive not heard of anyone stealing a space ship ;) | 01:37 |
| Proteous | heh | 01:37 |
| melmoth | Wait untill you meet zaphod beeblebrox ! | 01:37 |
| lcuk_3 | you can even send data streams to it and get results back | 01:37 |
| Proteous | ground based spaceship destrying lasers!!! | 01:38 |
| lcuk_3 | LEO missile commanders wont touch anything in geostationary orbit or beyond for many years | 01:38 |
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| * lcuk_3 just has to find the $200 million launch fees | 01:39 | |
| killfill | screamingn800, heh.. | 01:40 |
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| killfill | screamingn800: you still there?.. :P | 01:44 |
| screamingn800 | killfill: Taint hard, just compile the kernel an the make modules with fuse enabled. lcuk_3: You mean the Yanks shot down the sattelite | 01:45 |
| lcuk_3 | i dont think they have yet, i know they are intending too | 01:46 |
| screamingn800 | YES! Target practice! | 01:47 |
| killfill | hm.. :S | 01:47 |
| Fang64 | um are they really shooting down that satellite? | 01:47 |
| killfill | screamingn800: couldnt you just send my the .ko to me email?.. | 01:48 |
| Fang64 | I don't imagine it giving off too much radiation even though it has some radiactive materials | 01:48 |
| Fang64 | wcs it hits a house maybe | 01:48 |
| screamingn800 | killfill: surenuff | 01:48 |
| lcuk_3 | forget hitting a house - what if it falls into china - with secrets intact? | 01:49 |
| Fang64 | uhm what secrests :p | 01:49 |
| Fang64 | secrets* | 01:49 |
| screamingn800 | how to make an n800! | 01:49 |
| Fang64 | rofl | 01:49 |
| lcuk_3 | kernel file for maemo ;) | 01:49 |
| lcuk_3 | powervr ^ | 01:50 |
| Fang64 | How to make 2=1 or Divide by zero? | 01:50 |
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| screamingn800 | Godalmighty powervr ftw | 01:51 |
| Fang64 | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/1%3D2 god that site rotts minds, http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Divide_by_Zero | 01:51 |
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| pupnik | try to avoid lolcat stuff, rotmind, wastetime. not as bad as television of course | 01:53 |
| * Jaffa has always found Uncyclopedia to be an unfunny, immature version of the PGG or H2G2 | 01:54 | |
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| Fang64 | indeed | 01:55 |
| killfill | whats surenuff?.. :P | 01:55 |
| Fang64 | I find the math proofs entertaining | 01:56 |
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| Jaffa | http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/2S7.html FTW | 02:01 |
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| screamingn800 | killfill: sent...hope you are the guy I googled. p | 02:08 |
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| screamingn800 | killfill: sent...hope you are the guy I googled. Penguin n skypeis reallyzgood though. | 02:09 |
| screamingn800 | bloody n800 v-keyboard! | 02:10 |
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| pupnik | get the stowaway | 02:16 |
| killfill | heh.. | 02:16 |
| killfill | screamingn800: i sent you a /msg with my mail... | 02:17 |
| lcuk_3 | apple bluetooth kb is nice :) | 02:17 |
| killfill | hehe.. | 02:19 |
| killfill | screamingn800: you forgot to attach it! | 02:19 |
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| screamingn800 | killfiillDont | 02:24 |
| screamingn800 | Urkk. killfill: I don't think I have godlike powers on irc. /msg don't work with me. Try the jedi hand waving thing. (I'm not registered sorry.) | 02:24 |
| pupnik | someone with OS2007 please try installing http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html | 02:27 |
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| screamingn800 | killfilll | 02:29 |
| screamingn800 | killfill: No attachment; really? BUGGER lemme try again. | 02:30 |
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| screamingn800 | killfill: El dom, 17-02-2008 a las 00:05 +0000, escribió: cool man! | 02:36 |
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| screamingn800 | Hey, killfill: So I'm an Antarctic Penguin resident in Catalunia who drinks British beer and Rumanian plum brandy. In Spain. OK ;-) | 02:43 |
| killfill | jaja... | 02:43 |
| killfill | i actually hate beers.. | 02:44 |
| * killfill drinking a black label.. :P | 02:44 | |
| screamingn800 | Puke----- | 02:44 |
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| killfill | shit. | 02:46 |
| killfill | it works.. yay! | 02:46 |
| screamingn800 | YeeHaaaa! | 02:46 |
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| __marker | hi | 02:50 |
| screamingn800 | I want to get the virtual filesystem that does transparent .gz .tgz .whatever going but you beat me to it. It seems. I just compiled the silly thng ;-) | 02:50 |
| __marker | does vnc exist for chinook? | 02:51 |
| __marker | vncviewer | 02:51 |
| screamingn800 | __marker, Yep | 02:51 |
| Navi | tightvnc, I believe | 02:52 |
| killfill | ls: ./Musica_sofsis: Permission denied | 02:52 |
| killfill | :S | 02:52 |
| killfill | damn.. the permitions things works just like nfs.. | 02:52 |
| * killfill fuse newbie.. :P | 02:52 | |
| __marker | and where? | 02:52 |
| Navi | :P | 02:52 |
| __marker | ok found thanks | 02:54 |
| screamingn800 | killfill: Me too! | 02:54 |
| Navi | me 2 | 02:55 |
| screamingn800 | N00bies all ofus | 02:55 |
| killfill | hm.. | 02:56 |
| killfill | drwxrwxrwx 1 user root 4096 Jan 22 23:44 Musica_sofsis | 02:57 |
| killfill | the think looks just like all other dirs.. user cnanot see it.. :S | 02:57 |
| killfill | fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted | 02:59 |
| killfill | user cannot execut the thing neither.. | 02:59 |
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| screamingn800 | killfill: Bugger ! Oh well, that's one more thing not to try. | 03:16 |
| Navi | can't chmod +x? | 03:17 |
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| pupnik | What do you think about this idea for mouse click emulation in dosbox. Screen functions as a touchpad for moving mouse; stylus clicks do not cause a mousedown event. When cursor is in position, hitting dpad-enter with stylus down generates a left mouse click, while 'esc' button with stylus down generates right mouse click? | 03:20 |
| screamingn800 | Gnite all...2 much of that Rumanian plum brandy 2 keep on hacking ;-} | 03:21 |
| pupnik | ok cheers screamingn800 | 03:21 |
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| dskippy | Does anyone know if I can control the master volume of the N800 from within a python program? | 03:22 |
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| dskippy | I'd like to control them with the zoom hardware buttons. | 03:24 |
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| Proteous | omg, just got sshd running on my appleTV | 03:56 |
| Proteous | !!! | 03:56 |
| Proteous | through a crazy amount of crazy hackage | 03:56 |
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| lcdd | steve won't approve :| | 04:01 |
| Proteous | SORRY STEVE!! | 04:03 |
| Proteous | really, I am | 04:03 |
| Proteous | but maybe you should think about adding default support of normal video file formats and some functionality to mount remote drives | 04:04 |
| Proteous | maybe | 04:04 |
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| poiuz | someone knows how to shutdown Xomap on n800? | 04:09 |
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| poiuz | whenever I do /etc/init.d/x-server stop the device will automatically reboot .. | 04:10 |
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| djtansey | flash isn't working for some reason. says to install player. i apt-get removed/installed macromedia-flashplayer. it says no installation candidate. advice? | 04:19 |
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| Screaming | Damnit, I just can't sleep worrying over this. | 04:30 |
| Navi | Over what? | 04:30 |
| Screaming | Surely someone knows why enumerating midi devices with alsa on the n800 fails. | 04:30 |
| Navi | 'cuz Linux midi support fails | 04:30 |
| Screaming | Maybe it's..something undiscovered... | 04:31 |
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| Screaming | Like the answer to Life the Universe and everything. | 04:31 |
| Screaming | 42, but with real mice and stuff. | 04:31 |
| Screaming | Some kind of ... linux distributed intelligence. | 04:32 |
| Screaming | qIt's..Oh, no... | 04:32 |
| Screaming | My DVD drive just poked out it's caddy. | 04:32 |
| Screaming | And the laser is waving around, trying to... | 04:32 |
| Screaming | Aaaargh! Gotta warn the world..It's alive | 04:33 |
| pupnik | why do you want alsa midi? | 04:33 |
| pupnik | do you have an application that uses it? | 04:33 |
| Screaming | ...and it's... | 04:33 |
| Screaming | Bill Gates!!!!! | 04:34 |
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| * Screaming Dies horrible death. | 04:34 | |
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| Navi | ... | 04:35 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7UidW2tMtQ Static compiler for x86-ARM, running a dos program natively on ARM | 04:50 |
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| genome4hire | So i'm trying to get tor compiled for maemo. I'm a newbie to the scratchbox environement. Tor is failing to ./configure due to a lack of libevent. | 05:12 |
| genome4hire | I've been unable to find a libevent package for the N800. | 05:12 |
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| pupnik | genome4hire: add a debian source repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get source libevent | 05:19 |
| pupnik | then go to the directory and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b in that directory | 05:19 |
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| elb | any idea why I can't insmod ext2.ko on OS 2008? | 05:53 |
| elb | it says "Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory" | 05:53 |
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| genome4hire | Ok. Things are better. I'm trying to create a .deb of tor for maemo. However, "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b " fails for tor (it worked just fine for libevent), because the tor debian package requires latex/gs and a bunch of other stuff for the documentation. Any advice on how to tell buildpackage to not build the docs, and just compile the tor stuff? | 06:26 |
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| pupnik | elb: give the full path to the .ko | 06:30 |
| pupnik | iirc | 06:30 |
| pupnik | genome4hire: heh. welcome to porting to maemo | 06:31 |
| pupnik | the answer is dependent on the package you are building | 06:32 |
| genome4hire | Ok. Let me try this another way. | 06:32 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | can't seem to get the soduku (tomiku) game working on the latest OS on an n-800.. sad. | 06:32 |
| pupnik | genome4hire: look in debian/rules | 06:32 |
| genome4hire | the .deb i'm trying to build wants latex, which wants gs, which wants libpaper1. | 06:32 |
| genome4hire | and libpaper1 fails to dpkg --configure, as i'm not root in the scratchbox. | 06:33 |
| pupnik | latex is a beast | 06:33 |
| pupnik | i'd look if you can disable the docs in tor's ./configure, then look in debian/rules and debian/control to remove dependencies | 06:33 |
| pupnik | you can also try to brute-force the build | 06:33 |
| pupnik | with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -d (-d will remove dependency check) | 06:34 |
| pupnik | sometimes the configure will go through without some dependencies | 06:34 |
| pupnik | there might be also the option to install tetex instead of lated (apt-cache search tetex) | 06:35 |
| pupnik | sssshhhhhhhhh: i hope you don't expect any assistance based-on that problem description | 06:36 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | was hoping to start a dialog, that's all. | 06:36 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | See if anyone else has run into the same issue? | 06:36 |
| genome4hire | thanks pupnik | 06:36 |
| johnx | sssshhhhhhhhh, don't look at me. I can't stand sudoku :) | 06:37 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | it's a good time waster :) | 06:37 |
| johnx | every time I see a sudoku board I just want to write a solver for it and be done | 06:38 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | hahahaha. | 06:38 |
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| sssshhhhhhhhh | I just downloaded the developer's kit and got hello world working on it... | 06:39 |
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| sssshhhhhhhhh | so, I was going to try playing with the source code from tomiku... | 06:40 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | unless someone else had some ideas. | 06:40 |
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| pupnik | cool beans sssshhhhhhhhh ... we need more ppl porting/fixing stuff :) | 06:44 |
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| sssshhhhhhhhh | yeah, I haven't done any porting to maemo yet... I wanna try, though. | 06:45 |
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| pupnik | i think you'll find that if you stick with it for a couple of weeks, it becomes very fun, almost addictive :) | 06:47 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | really? cool.. any tips/tricks/things to start with? | 06:47 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html this is a pretty complete intro | 06:49 |
| pupnik | but that's more than you probably want to read to start | 06:49 |
| pupnik | i think just starting with a game you want to build (like sudoku) is best | 06:50 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | I saw that and thought it was pretty large :) but looks interesting... | 06:54 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | thanks... | 06:54 |
| Navi | pupnik, :P | 06:56 |
| pupnik | alright i think i have a scheme for left/right mouse clicks in dosbox | 06:57 |
| Navi | oh? | 06:57 |
| pupnik | yeah problem is all stylus taps count as mouse clicks right now | 06:57 |
| pupnik | and there's no right click | 06:57 |
| pupnik | so i might be able to instead disable stylus mouse clicks | 06:58 |
| pupnik | and set the dpad enter key to be left mousedown, IF the stylus is also down | 06:58 |
| pupnik | and likewise set esc to be right mouse down | 06:58 |
| pupnik | in either case, if the stylus is down, then esc and enter won't be passed-on to the DOS program | 06:59 |
| pupnik | sound good? | 06:59 |
| Navi | heh | 06:59 |
| Navi | why not - and + instead? | 07:00 |
| genome4hire | Ok. | 07:00 |
| genome4hire | I got it building | 07:00 |
| genome4hire | so now I need to switch from i386 to ARMEL | 07:00 |
| genome4hire | as the build environment, right? | 07:00 |
| Navi | genome4hire, :3 | 07:00 |
| genome4hire | hacking that debian rules file was quite unpleasant | 07:00 |
| pupnik | i do everything in ARMEL target | 07:00 |
| Navi | really? | 07:01 |
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| pupnik | haven't found a reason to use the x86 yet | 07:01 |
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| pupnik | Navi: i'm using those to adjust game speed, and they're a bit awkward to reach on the n810 | 07:08 |
| Navi | mmk | 07:08 |
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| genome4hire | tor_0.1.2.19-1~~etch+1_armel.deb | 07:16 |
| genome4hire | w00t | 07:16 |
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| pupnik | congrats genome4hire ! :) | 07:35 |
| genome4hire | After all that work, I found out that the fscking tor package is already in http://debfarm.free.fr/ | 07:36 |
| genome4hire | sigh | 07:36 |
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| sssshhhhhhhhh | ok - I dunno what I'm doing, but I'm trying to recompile tomiku for chinook... it seems to be missing some dependencies... | 07:40 |
| pupnik | sssshhhhhhhhh: you can add repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox, then install the dependencies | 07:43 |
| pupnik | search http://gronmayer.com/it/ to see if your dependencies are available somewhere | 07:43 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | ahhh cool, okay, take a look at that. | 07:43 |
| sssshhhhhhhhh | err.. I'll take a look at that. | 07:43 |
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| _acyd_ | since when does linksys have the source for their routers available? | 07:49 |
| Tama^2 | it's been a while | 07:49 |
| Tama^2 | but it's not exactly kept up to date | 07:50 |
| Tama^2 | if you know what I mean | 07:50 |
| Tama^2 | ;) | 07:50 |
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| _acyd_ | well the source for my router is the current version | 07:54 |
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| acydlord | so i'm downloadng the source and the v23 source for ddwrt | 07:56 |
| Tama^2 | cool | 07:56 |
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| sssshhhhhhhhh | stupid crashing firefox | 07:59 |
| Navi | There's always the forks of the linksys routers | 08:07 |
| Tama^2 | that's what ddwrt is :) | 08:07 |
| Navi | and openwrt, not to mention several others | 08:08 |
| acydlord | ddwrt is my favorite so far | 08:11 |
| acydlord | i was looking at the selection, they didnt have the buffalo ones preloaded with ddwrt there | 08:11 |
| acydlord | but they did have the netgear opensource ones | 08:11 |
| * johnx loves his openwrt install w/ webif2 | 08:12 | |
| Proteous | what's webif2 | 08:12 |
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| johnx | a different/more complete web based control panel | 08:13 |
| acydlord | johnx does it work on the wrt160n? | 08:14 |
| johnx | I have no idea | 08:14 |
| johnx | I just have a plain vanilla wrt54g | 08:14 |
| acydlord | i guess i'll check that later | 08:14 |
| acydlord | thats what i had | 08:15 |
| acydlord | but a friends wrt crapped out on her so i decided it's time to upgrade and donate | 08:15 |
| johnx | acydlord, x-wrt.org is where to look for info | 08:15 |
| acydlord | thx | 08:15 |
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| Hrw|tablet | Hi | 08:16 |
| johnx | hey, Hrw|tablet | 08:16 |
| johnx | acydlord, I used to have a 32MB wrt54gs but I ended up giving that to my parents, then not finding another GS capable of running Linux... | 08:16 |
| acydlord | i think mine is the gl | 08:16 |
| Hrw|tablet | 32mb ram not flash? | 08:16 |
| acydlord | i had to do a mini and then full firmware | 08:17 |
| johnx | Hrw|tablet, the older GS was 32MB RAM, 8MB flash, IIRC | 08:17 |
| Hrw|tablet | I use gs 8/32 flash/mem | 08:17 |
| Hrw|tablet | One of first models v1.1 | 08:17 |
| johnx | I miss mine :( | 08:17 |
| Hrw|tablet | I am thinking of replacing it with more powerful hw | 08:18 |
| johnx | you need more guts for routing or for doing other stuff? | 08:18 |
| Hrw|tablet | Other | 08:19 |
| Hrw|tablet | File server | 08:19 |
| johnx | aah...I could see that | 08:19 |
| Hrw|tablet | Printserver would be nice too, but i use scanner from my printer from time to time | 08:21 |
| Hrw|tablet | And wrt lack Gb ethernet | 08:21 |
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| johnx | Hrw|tablet, I broke down and just got a gigabit switch | 08:22 |
| Hrw|tablet | Ircing from os2008 IM is even quite usable | 08:22 |
| Hrw|tablet | I lack power connectors | 08:22 |
| Hrw|tablet | For switch use | 08:22 |
| johnx | ah...I'm running out of outlets here too | 08:23 |
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| Hrw|tablet | I have only 12 under desk | 08:23 |
| acydlord | only have like 36 in my room | 08:23 |
| acydlord | i almost bought another 24 socket strip today | 08:23 |
| Hrw|tablet | O fsck | 08:24 |
| johnx | ?! | 08:24 |
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| johnx | Does anyone know if there are patches floating around for the Xomap rotation support? | 09:25 |
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| Tobotras | Can I change a font of GtkButton? | 09:39 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:22 |
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| cbx33 | hey all | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | why can't I install skype | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | it says it can't install libhildonfm2 | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | well i think the roblem is it can't upgrade it | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | it wants version 49 | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | and i have 46 | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | but 49 doesnt' appear in my list anywhere | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | anyone have a sources file i can use as a reference | 11:51 |
| cbx33 | this is really nnoying | 11:51 |
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| cbx33 | any ideas? | 11:53 |
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| t_s_o | some times i wish Compile and friends would set of the system bell when it prompts for sudo password... | 12:00 |
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| t_s_o | oops... | 12:02 |
| t_s_o | memo to self, check your channel before hitting enter :P | 12:02 |
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| jku | cbx33, You probably have an older OS version | 12:21 |
| jku | cbx33, check settings->control panel ->about product | 12:22 |
| jku | should be version 2.2007.50-2 | 12:22 |
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| cbx33 | yeh i think i do | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | flashing up now | 12:40 |
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| cbx33 | To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image | 12:48 |
| cbx33 | what the heck does that mean | 12:48 |
| sp3000 | that you're trying to flash with a fiasco that is missing a compatible version of a required part, usually | 12:50 |
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| cbx33 | sp3000 | 13:11 |
| cbx33 | i have an n810 | 13:11 |
| cbx33 | and i just downloaded the latest software | 13:11 |
| cbx33 | but it won't flash | 13:11 |
| sp3000 | which latest software? | 13:12 |
| cbx33 | RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 13:12 |
| doc|home | oh man, new software? | 13:13 |
| * doc|home didn't know that :/ | 13:13 | |
| doc|home | I just had mine all set up as I like it :| | 13:13 |
| cbx33 | mine wouldn't install skype and a reflash was coming upany way | 13:13 |
| sp3000 | how does your flasher commad line look? | 13:14 |
| djcb | emacs22 on n810: http://tinyurl.com/3d65ww | 13:14 |
| cbx33 | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44 -f -R | 13:15 |
| cbx33 | where RX-44 = the file mentioned above | 13:15 |
| cbx33 | sp3000, is that wrong? | 13:16 |
| sp3000 | that looks ok, but it's not a direct copy so I don't expect it to have the errors of he original, if any :) | 13:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 13:17 |
| cbx33 | lemme get it | 13:17 |
| cbx33 | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 13:18 |
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| sp3000 | "RX-34" | 13:21 |
| sp3000 | != 44 | 13:21 |
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| cbx33 | oh | 13:21 |
| cbx33 | HAHAHAHA | 13:22 |
| cbx33 | sp3000, now i do feel stoopid | 13:23 |
| sp3000 | it happens | 13:24 |
| cbx33 | i guess | 13:24 |
| cbx33 | everything else seemed ok | 13:24 |
| cbx33 | i didn't check the beginning | 13:24 |
| cbx33 | man it seems so slow flashing now | 13:25 |
| cbx33 | i think for some reason it's using usb 1 | 13:25 |
| cbx33 | it used to use usb 2 | 13:25 |
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| cbx33 | grrr......trying to update nokia package lists.... | 13:48 |
| cbx33 | it's really slow downoading.... anyone know y? | 13:48 |
| Tobotras | How to I change a font of Gtk widget? | 13:49 |
| cbx33 | like bits/sec | 13:49 |
| cbx33 | not kb/sec | 13:49 |
| lcuk_3 | whats the command line syntax to uninstall a cold and sore throat from a human? | 13:50 |
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| |thunder | does firefox for meamo support flash 9 ? | 13:51 |
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| lcuk_3 | cbx33, the host box might have downgraded itself - we saw it on windows where after one software update (webcam driver) made all ports old slow usb | 13:53 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 13:53 |
| lcuk_3 | you can mainly tell when you plug in a usb2 memory stick - windows tells you it can run faster | 13:54 |
| lcuk_3 | but the chances are on here youre not using win.. | 13:54 |
| cbx33 | true | 13:54 |
| cbx33 | ;P | 13:54 |
| |thunder | who here has metaspliot and aircrack up and running ? | 13:55 |
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| |thunder | also, anyone know of any bluetooth securtiy auditing software that works on nokia n800 ? | 13:55 |
| cbx33 | the people who made bllover have something | 13:56 |
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| cbx33 | man what is up wih this.... | 14:03 |
| cbx33 | downloading 1Kb for the last 5 mins | 14:03 |
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| lcuk_3 | cbx33, would you like me to type the binary to you (might be faster) | 14:06 |
| lcuk_3 | 110100101101110110101101101101000101000101010101001010111101010111010101010101011001 | 14:07 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 14:07 |
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| cbx33 | what is the maemo details for application manager? | 14:24 |
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| cbx33 | this link slow for anyone else http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2008/maemo-mapper/?get_installfile | 14:30 |
| Kompo | nokia seems to have some problems with the internet provider.. | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | is maemo.org broken? | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | grrrr | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | not again | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 14:32 |
| Kompo | many nokia sites seem not to work.. | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | so i see | 14:32 |
| Kompo | just the day i decided to try update n93 software.. | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | yup | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | me too | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | with my n810 | 14:32 |
| cbx33 | grrrr | 14:34 |
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| konttori | Hey, anyone tried gtkmozembed? | 14:37 |
| konttori | I'm checking out the python bindings and wondering if anyone has ported those to the platform | 14:38 |
| konttori | http://www.pygtk.org/pygtkmozembed/class-gtkmozembed.html | 14:38 |
| konttori | Seems to be a really nice way to add some really cool stuff to some applications | 14:38 |
| konttori | Seems like the library is on the device: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/control?root=browser&rev=978&view=markup | 14:39 |
| konttori | (microb-gtkmozembed) | 14:39 |
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| konttori | anyway, should anyone know about that stuff, please contact me! | 14:41 |
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| ustunozgur | hi, I have created a simple speeddial page for microb, just in case anyone is interested: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=143556#post143556 | 15:19 |
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| pupnik_ | argh busybox is crippledzor | 16:10 |
| pupnik_ | first=`echo ${drives:0:1}` won't work | 16:10 |
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| maddler | pupnik_: I've got some Fn keys not working on dosbox | 16:22 |
| pupnik_ | what language keyboard? | 16:23 |
| __marker | first=${drives:0:1} ? | 16:23 |
| maddler | italian | 16:24 |
| maddler | on 810 | 16:24 |
| pupnik_ | yeah that would make sense __marker .. but busybox shell doesn't like that either | 16:24 |
| pupnik_ | maddler: try in DOSbox typing: keyb it | 16:25 |
| pupnik_ | maddler: i think we will need to customize the dosbox mapper for every language :/ | 16:25 |
| maddler | doh... | 16:26 |
| maddler | lemme try | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | __marker: the {} works in real bash, btw | 16:27 |
| pupnik_ | i need to increment a variable in busybox in a loop A,B,C,D,E | 16:27 |
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| pH5 | pupnik_: for drive in A B C D E; do ...; done ? | 16:28 |
| pupnik_ | yeah but i need to iterate through a certain number of elements | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | for item in $mylist | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | variable number | 16:30 |
| __marker | first=`echo $drives| sed 's/^\(.\).*/\1/'` | 16:30 |
| __marker | took me a minute to type this on a n800 | 16:30 |
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| __marker | +` | 16:31 |
| dtahtbot | __marker: Error: "`" is not a valid command. | 16:31 |
| pupnik_ | ` will execute | 16:31 |
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| pupnik_ | that sed command works __marker - for the first letter | 16:32 |
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| pupnik_ | how to get the nth letter? | 16:32 |
| wnd | echo $foo | cut -c $i | 16:35 |
| pupnik_ | yaay busybox has cut :) | 16:35 |
| pupnik_ | thank youuu | 16:35 |
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| maddler | pupnik_: no way... | 16:40 |
| pupnik_ | but now i can't increment $i | 16:40 |
| maddler | pupnik_: and also using keyb it some keys are not where they are supposed to be... :) | 16:41 |
| pupnik_ | right | 16:41 |
| * Tobotras cries. No @#$ing idea where to find EContact's phone number :~( | 16:41 | |
| __marker | i=$(( i+1)) | 16:43 |
| wnd | i=$(expr $i + 1) ? | 16:43 |
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| pupnik_ | i=$[i+1] didn't work - trying those | 16:43 |
| pupnik_ | __marker wins! | 16:45 |
| wnd | __marker's way should be faster too. I just never learned to use $(( ). btw is that bashism or does it also work with sh? | 16:46 |
| pupnik_ | busybox didn't like the expr | 16:46 |
| wnd | weird. expr seems to work just fine on os2008. | 16:47 |
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| __marker | i think this is posix (it works with dash at least) | 16:52 |
| pupnik_ | thanks much, now dosbox install finds and automounts DOS directories on mmc | 16:53 |
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| wnd | ah, silly me. I should've tried that myself. | 16:54 |
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| pupnik_ | maddler: if you make a keymapper (mapper.txt) for italian keyboards, i will include it in dosbox for nokia | 17:10 |
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| Tobotras | Anybody knows how to access contacts? EContact & co? | 17:21 |
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| Tobotras | Okay, are system apps available in source? osso-addressbook? | 17:28 |
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| pupnik_ | sorry Tobotras don't know | 17:31 |
| __marker | should exist since it is in repo 'free' but apt-get source doesnt find it | 17:34 |
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| jku | __marker, osso-addressbook is in the local nokia binary repo | 17:38 |
| jku | so closed source AFAICT | 17:38 |
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| jku | there's a howto, though | 17:39 |
| Tobotras | damn | 17:39 |
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| __marker | repository.maemo.org chinook free | 17:40 |
| Tobotras | jku: on reading the data? There is no, or at least I didn't find. The one available is on connecting and showing data using ready to use libs | 17:40 |
| jku | Tobotras, haven't used it, so you're probably right | 17:40 |
| jku | __marker: where exactly do you see that? If I do a "apt-cache policy osso-addressbook" I see "file: chinook/explicit" | 17:42 |
| jku | Tobotras, what do you want to do, btw? | 17:43 |
| __marker | same cmd on the n800 os2008 | 17:44 |
| Tobotras | jku: read addressbook entries. Making contact viewer which I'll be able to use :) | 17:44 |
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| jku | Tobotras, Don't need addressbook for that, I believe, just use EDS (package libebook, maybe, not sure) | 17:45 |
| Tobotras | jku: yep, using it. Trying to figure out how does it stores phones. | 17:46 |
| Tobotras | jku: hence looking for any application doing the same... | 17:46 |
| jku | not sure of Pimlico Dates does that, might be worth a look | 17:47 |
| Tobotras | jku: thanks | 17:49 |
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| jku | __marker, do't know where the problem is but the chinook free repo does not have osso-addressbook: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/o/ | 17:51 |
| __marker | yeah i'm lost | 17:52 |
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| __marker | and a reinstall does work | 17:52 |
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| Tobotras | jku: thanks, found it in Pimlico Contacts :) | 18:01 |
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| jku | yeah, Contacts of course, not Dates. np. | 18:04 |
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| __marker | jku: repository.maemo.org/rtcomm | 18:09 |
| __marker | but no src.. | 18:10 |
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| pupnik_ | thx again for the help __marker. i'd appreciate hearing from anyone with OS2007 to see if dosbox installs on it http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html | 18:44 |
| __marker | welcome. thx for your contributions | 18:45 |
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| konttori | jku: are you sure osso-addressbook is open source? | 18:51 |
| konttori | backend is open source (EDS), but it is often the case that the UI is closed | 18:52 |
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| __marker | konttori> jku said it's closed src, even if it is in the 'free' directry. anyway, how to know as theres no attached license? | 18:56 |
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| konttori | where is it in the free dir? | 19:02 |
| konttori | __marker: Interesting if the source is available from somewhere | 19:03 |
| __marker | repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/... | 19:03 |
| konttori | also the source? | 19:04 |
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| __marker | konttori> i think you can forget about the src | 19:05 |
| konttori | Indeed. I would have expected to not to find them out there | 19:05 |
| johnx | maybe it would be easier to make a list of things we *do* have source for, than things we *don't* have source for... | 19:06 |
| konttori | Indeed, it would be a good thing to have | 19:06 |
| konttori | OTOH: The list of things of source is much longer | 19:06 |
| __marker | make a s | 19:06 |
| konttori | as most of the non-visible stuff is open source | 19:06 |
| johnx | I think the licenses get caught by docpurge on the tablets... | 19:06 |
| johnx | but most of the visible stuff seems closed | 19:07 |
| __marker | make a script that greps in /var/lib | 19:07 |
| konttori | yeah. Which makes sense, as nokia is protecting its assets that way | 19:07 |
| johnx | yes. it's just disappointing | 19:07 |
| konttori | I'm not sure if it couldn't be done in other ways as well, but that surely seems to be one way to do it | 19:07 |
| __marker | and docpurge did Not remove the license in /usr/share/doc it is not included at all. and then its free :) | 19:08 |
| johnx | __marker, heh :P | 19:08 |
| __marker | ok gonna do this script | 19:09 |
| konttori | Hey, is anyone in here who is interested in themes? | 19:10 |
| johnx | I am | 19:10 |
| konttori | I'm just about to release the version of theme maker that uses the official templates instead of the previous partial ones | 19:10 |
| johnx | very cool | 19:11 |
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| konttori | What platform do you use (xp / osx/linux)? | 19:11 |
| konttori | I can make a test package for you now. | 19:11 |
| johnx | linux | 19:11 |
| johnx | debian/ubuntu specifically | 19:11 |
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| konttori | ok. Well, I'm packaging the osx version in there anyway. Cause I use that myself. | 19:14 |
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| johnx | sure, anything's fine for testing. even tar.gz is ok with me :) | 19:15 |
| konttori | Do you have java installed / have you used thememaker before? | 19:16 |
| johnx | I can get java easily | 19:16 |
| konttori | ok, get sun java | 19:16 |
| johnx | (I might even have it...) | 19:16 |
| konttori | java is surprisingly nice considering how well java apps work across platforms | 19:17 |
| johnx | oh, I already have it :) | 19:17 |
| konttori | I would love if python was also (along with some common toolkit) available cross platforms | 19:17 |
| johnx | I do wonder what dragged it in already... | 19:17 |
| konttori | Ok, I'm now sanity checking it before I upload the package to garage. | 19:18 |
| konttori | Seems like it's capable of creating theme with the default settings... now Just need to test that theme... | 19:18 |
| elb | great, now my n810 won't boot | 19:19 |
| elb | this is not my week for computers | 19:19 |
| MangoFusion | just give it a bit of a whack | 19:19 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 19:19 |
| MangoFusion | (ok, maybe not) | 19:19 |
| konttori | Is the device completely failing to even start to boot? | 19:19 |
| elb | yes, if it's plugged in; no, if it's not | 19:20 |
| konttori | If so, remove the battery for a few mins, attach it and try again (worked for me previously) | 19:20 |
| johnx | elb, if you can't figure any way to make it turn on, try pulling power and battery for >3 minutes | 19:20 |
| elb | if it's not plugged in, it starts to boot, the progress bar comes up, and when it fills the screen it just sits there forever | 19:20 |
| johnx | ah | 19:20 |
| johnx | do you have ssh server installed? | 19:20 |
| elb | I do | 19:21 |
| johnx | is it getting on the wireless? | 19:21 |
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| elb | looks like no, according to the dhcp server | 19:21 |
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| konttori | Ahh.. so, theme maker 1.1.1 downloadable from here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3404/ThemeMaker1.1.1.zip | 19:23 |
| konttori | It includes default template for plankton. | 19:23 |
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| konttori | And I just tested creating the default theme from it and worked just great. | 19:23 |
| johnx | hmm...If you need to get data off of it, I think I remember someone flashing *just* a modified initfs that got it to bring up usb networking and a telnet server | 19:23 |
| elb | well, I keep all of my data on mmc2 | 19:24 |
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| elb | so that should be fine | 19:24 |
| konttori | Did you do backup? | 19:24 |
| elb | relatively recently, yeah | 19:24 |
| elb | I think I am going to have to reflash it | 19:24 |
| konttori | Backup is really reliable these days. Has saved my ass many times | 19:24 |
| konttori | Kudos to people who made it! | 19:25 |
| elb | it doesn't make me happy that I have to re-flash it at all, though | 19:25 |
| konttori | what did you when it crashed and burned? | 19:25 |
| elb | I got up this morning and it was powered off | 19:25 |
| elb | I suspect its battery died in the night | 19:25 |
| johnx | konttori, seems to run fine. even came with a free __MACOSX folder :) | 19:26 |
| konttori | Wohoo! Extra folder! Damn. Give it back to me! | 19:26 |
| johnx | what is the licensing on the the plankton theme template? | 19:26 |
| konttori | I'm checking. ... | 19:27 |
| konttori | gpl if I remember correctly | 19:27 |
| konttori | Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 | 19:28 |
| konttori | Hmm... Do I need to separate it from the theme maker zip? | 19:28 |
| johnx | so, to make a theme that I could GPL I'd have to make sure I remove all traces of the original template pictures? | 19:29 |
| konttori | Probably not, but I'll include the copyright notices there. | 19:29 |
| konttori | Yeah, that should do the trick. | 19:29 |
| konttori | although, I quite think the CC is a better license for it anyway | 19:29 |
| konttori | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/COPYING | 19:29 |
| johnx | Out of curiosity, I know the pkg-maemo guys working on maemo packages for debian had run into some kind of licensing issue with CC 2.5 and maemo themes | 19:30 |
| johnx | I don't pretend to understand the legal situation but I think they can't really package CC 2.5 themes unless the license is changed to CC 3.0 or something | 19:30 |
| * johnx shrugs | 19:30 | |
| konttori | Well, plankton is made by Tuomas Kuosmanen, who works for nokia. | 19:31 |
| konttori | So, I don't see how that could be an issue | 19:31 |
| konttori | I'll try to talk to him about it next time I see him | 19:32 |
| konttori | johnx: were you able to create the theme out as well? | 19:33 |
| konttori | As in, get the debian to the dir. | 19:33 |
| johnx | just feed it the defaults and hit build theme? | 19:33 |
| konttori | yeah | 19:33 |
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| konttori | that should do it | 19:33 |
| konttori | defaults should also be automatically the right ones | 19:34 |
| * Tobotras feels idiotic. g_signal_connect registers callback with user-data, callback gets different user-data when called. | 19:34 | |
| johnx | it seems to want to look for the background and source image in my $HOME by default rather than ./ | 19:34 |
| johnx | also, there's nothing in the layout drop-down... | 19:35 |
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| Hrw|tablet | Hi | 19:36 |
| johnx | konttori, ah nevermind | 19:36 |
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| johnx | it depends on how I run it | 19:36 |
| konttori | Ah. Ok, well, can you copy the layouts folder to home | 19:36 |
| konttori | Ok. Can you give instructions on how to run it 'right'? | 19:36 |
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| konttori | I'm assuming it works the same way as windows and osg work (as in run in the folder it was executed in) | 19:37 |
| johnx | cd ThemeMaker1.1.1 && java -jar MaemoThemeMaker.jar | 19:37 |
| konttori | odd... but thanks | 19:37 |
| johnx | if I double click the .jar in nautilus it runs but maybe the cwd isn't set correctly? | 19:37 |
| Hrw|tablet | Finally made Polish layout for n810HW keyboard | 19:39 |
| konttori | Sounds odd anyway. On osx and windows jars are executed in the folder you doubleclick on. | 19:39 |
| konttori | johnx: but now that you were able to run it in correct folder, were you able to create the theme? | 19:39 |
| johnx | it works if run from the command line in the ThemeMaker1.1.1 directory | 19:39 |
| johnx | built the default theme no problem | 19:39 |
| konttori | ah. cool. | 19:39 |
| johnx | anyways, I should actually catch some sleep | 19:40 |
| johnx | really late here O_o | 19:40 |
| johnx | I'll poke around theme maker in the next couple days, and tell you if anything doesn't work. thanks for creating it, BTW :) | 19:41 |
| johnx | 'night all | 19:41 |
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| Hrw|tablet | Hi ph5 | 19:42 |
| konttori | night! | 19:42 |
| Hrw|tablet | Su johnx | 19:42 |
| pH5 | hi Hrw|tablet | 19:42 |
| lcuk_3 | ssh root@me sudo apt-get remove cold flu | 19:44 |
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| lcuk_3 | can some1 tell me why that doesnt work? ^ | 19:45 |
| pH5 | lcuk_3: because virus writers most often don't package their work properly. | 19:46 |
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| lcuk_3 | damn, thats probably the closest to a real answer i can expect | 19:48 |
| jku | lcuk_3, maybe you should reflash, just to be sure? | 19:50 |
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| lcuk_3 | already tried that, its taken me the last 10 years to rebuild my app list | 19:53 |
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| jku | yeah source based distros suck that way :) | 19:53 |
| lcuk_3 | slow cpu :( | 19:54 |
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| * Tobotras finished his first "hello, world". Took almost two working days :( | 20:52 | |
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| Tobotras | http://xtalk.msk.su/maemo/notap_0.1-1_armel.deb -- a year from now this will be handy contact viewer :) | 20:54 |
| alterego | Hah | 20:57 |
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| alterego | Maybe you should try working with a more productive language ;) | 20:58 |
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| novaterat1 | What is the best way to SMS on the n800? | 21:00 |
| GAN800 | Try online or AIM? | 21:01 |
| novaterat1 | And is there a better channel for that kind of question? | 21:01 |
| Tobotras | alterego: sure :) I wanted to revive my dusty C skills too | 21:01 |
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| alterego | novaterat1, you do realise that the N800 isn't a phone right? | 21:01 |
| novaterat1 | I know about gizmosms, but i need a way for people to text me back, i don't know how to do it with pidgin | 21:02 |
| novaterat1 | Yes i'm using one right now | 21:02 |
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| alterego | I don't know of any services that allow 2 way SMS communication over the internet. | 21:03 |
| novaterat1 | I just wanted some advice from experienced users | 21:03 |
| alterego | Your best bet is to talk to a mobile phone. | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | phonelink, maybe. | 21:03 |
| novaterat1 | I don't have a cel phone | 21:04 |
| anima | you need custom sms server i think | 21:07 |
| anima | and connection to some telecomm - company | 21:07 |
| anima | easier and cheaper to get a cel i think | 21:08 |
| novaterat1 | Ok, i mean pc skype does this already, so i was just hoping there was a common method | 21:09 |
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| anima | skype is pretty closed system | 21:09 |
| novaterat1 | There were some sms-email services i found but their number is UK so i don't know if it would cost the sender like $2 a text or something | 21:10 |
| novaterat1 | I'm in the usa | 21:10 |
| dskippy | I'm trying to figure out how to programatically change the system volume. I just keep find Hildon objects to display a volume widget. Is there a way to set the volume of the whole system? | 21:10 |
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| dskippy | I'd like it to be mapped to the +/- zoom keys if possible. | 21:11 |
| novaterat1 | I've heard you can do it with yahoo, i'll check that out even though i would prefer using pidgin | 21:12 |
| GAN800 | dskippy, see the source for adv-backlight. It'll cover the gconf changes. Just have to tie those into a key. | 21:13 |
| dskippy | Will do, GAN800, thanks. | 21:14 |
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| khertan | Hi ! | 21:19 |
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| novaterat1 | Hello | 21:19 |
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| khertan | I trying winzig on my n810, but it s seem's there is a problem ... header of treeview isn't displayed as it should be (it s work on my desktop computer (python2.5 too)) | 21:20 |
| khertan | do u know a bug about this on maemo python implementation ?. | 21:20 |
| novaterat1 | Are there any other n800 rooms is this the main one or is there a better one for enduser stuff | 21:20 |
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| jku | khertan, not necessarily a bug -- some hildon widgets have different default values than plain gtk | 21:22 |
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| * elb reflashes and restores | 21:22 | |
| khertan | jku: hum ... is it right for gtk widget ? | 21:23 |
| khertan | too ? | 21:23 |
| jku | khertan, I was not clear: I meant gtk widgets on maemo, not just hildon | 21:24 |
| khertan | i ve also an other thing as a vertical gtk separator isn't display too on maemo ... but is displayed on my desktop computer | 21:24 |
| jku | I'm not saying it's right but that's what they do... | 21:24 |
| khertan | jku: ah ok ... i ll try to set value | 21:24 |
| khertan | jku: yeah ... but it could be that ... :) | 21:24 |
| khertan | thanks for the tips | 21:25 |
| jku | khertan, remembered right: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159 | 21:25 |
| GAN800 | novaterat1, this is it. | 21:26 |
| novaterat1 | Ok, thanks | 21:27 |
| khertan | This was a deliberate change in defaults driven by UI specs. | 21:28 |
| khertan | a bit strange | 21:28 |
| khertan | thanks for your help jku ! | 21:28 |
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| melmoth | Any parisian velib user around ? | 21:30 |
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| khertan | melmoth: no ... sorry ... to high price ... and too many stupid dispatch ... ! | 21:40 |
| khertan | jku: it was that :) | 21:43 |
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| melmoth | khertan: i m thinking about writing a coopilot stuff for velib. | 21:53 |
| melmoth | something to help you navigate while cycling, only audio feedback, no visual, so you dont have to read the screen | 21:53 |
| melmoth | something that would tell you like, 10mn in advance that you need to change bycle in order not to be charged, and where is the nearest one | 21:54 |
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| melmoth | maemo-mapper has already the nice sql sentence to find nearest poi :) | 21:54 |
| melmoth | and of course, that would tell you where you are heading to, and where is your destination (direction and distance). | 21:55 |
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| elb | man, reinstalling is a nightmare | 22:32 |
| Navi | yay | 22:32 |
| Navi | I've had a few nightmares | 22:33 |
| elb | especially when the application manager crashes all the time | 22:33 |
| Navi | Like the nightmare where I dreamed that I owned an N800 | 22:33 |
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| felipec | elb: you mean reflashing? | 22:34 |
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| GAN800 | elb, app manager was weird when I did the reinstall last week, but it was a lot better when I restored from an OS2008 beta when 50-2 came out. | 22:34 |
| konttori | |tbb|: you around? | 22:35 |
| elb | felipec: well, the reflash itself is pretty painless | 22:36 |
| elb | it's restoring all the third-party packages that's a nightmare | 22:36 |
| elb | (it failed when it tried to do it automatically, and left things in a sufficiently broken state that I had to reflash again) | 22:36 |
| Tobotras | Can anybody make me a favour and run small test program? I can't figure out what's wrong with my EDS... | 22:37 |
| felipec | elb: that's why I install only a few packages :) | 22:38 |
| elb | I do, too | 22:38 |
| elb | but even that takes forever when app manager crashes every 2-3 packages | 22:38 |
| elb | the telepathy junk, gpe-calendar, gpe-summary, maemopad+, fbreader, and some unix utilities | 22:39 |
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| elb | is just about it | 22:39 |
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| GAN800 | Be nice if there were a way to restore the backup with apt . . . or somebody could fix app manger--it is open. | 22:40 |
| elb | I have a list of things I want to fix on this thing as long as my arm ;-) | 22:41 |
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| b0unc3 | hi | 22:42 |
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| elb | unfortunately I didn't receive it until well after my major hacking window for the quarter | 22:45 |
| elb | (ugh, computer froze up in between) | 22:45 |
| elb | (my laptop died yesterday, my desktop is freezing, and my n810 wouldn't boot this morning ... it's not a good weekend for my computers) | 22:46 |
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| MangoFusion | probably needs a bit of TLC ;) | 22:54 |
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| jku | elb, that has to be something specific to your setup. I can't remember AM crashing once on me... | 22:55 |
| jku | Tobotras, what do you need? | 22:55 |
| elb | jku: well ... it crashes every few apps I install, here | 22:56 |
| Tobotras | jku: nothing already, thanks. Moved from async to sync ebook open, it suddenly started to work :) | 22:56 |
| elb | jku: and it's done it on multiple installs | 22:57 |
| GAN800 | jku, it was doing that to me when I was setting up my backup N800 last week. | 22:57 |
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| elb | all right, now how do I *really* shut this thing off, so I can see if it will boot properly | 22:59 |
| elb | ahh there is a shutdown command | 23:00 |
| GAN800 | Just turn it off without the charger plugged in. . . . | 23:02 |
| elb | easy enough | 23:06 |
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| Tobotras | Is it possible to resize a gtk scrollbar? | 23:17 |
| keesj | to make it finger friendly? | 23:17 |
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| Tobotras | keesj: yep | 23:19 |
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| tbb | rm_you: are you around? | 23:20 |
| konttori | tbb: did you ping me earlier? | 23:20 |
| tbb | yeah | 23:20 |
| konttori | tbb: did you get my reply? | 23:21 |
| tbb | im not at home, but i think i get it | 23:21 |
| tbb | im on web irc right now | 23:22 |
| Tobotras | jku: can you please install http://xtalk.msk.su/maemo/notap_0.1-1_armel.deb and run "notap" from shell? Will it be able to open address book? TIA | 23:22 |
| keesj | http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-93122260d3fd11dc958e2b3f7b7a87be87be/original_youamp-0-3-0.png | 23:23 |
| keesj | Tobotras: this was for you , I don't know how they did it | 23:23 |
| Tobotras | keesj: yep, that's what I'd like to know :) | 23:23 |
| keesj | I think (and that was what I was searching for ) ther is an open source clone of the default media player called something like mmpc (maemo music player client thingy) | 23:25 |
| keesj | nope sorry sending you in the wrong direction http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:26 |
| keesj | But I do think it should be there | 23:26 |
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| keesj | the default scrollbars are very finger unfriendly | 23:27 |
| keesj | I do prefer the kinetic scrolling scollpanes because the look cool and use less screen space | 23:28 |
| melmoth | Tobotras: it is possible. | 23:28 |
| blafasel | Got some mp4a (?) files from my brother yesterday (created for his Nokia phone, with a Nokia media tool) and they played barely/very choppy on my N810. Is that a known problem/limitation? | 23:29 |
| melmoth | Tobotras: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14275 | 23:29 |
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| Tobotras | melmoth: thanks! That's it | 23:30 |
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| Tobotras | It even works :) | 23:32 |
| blafasel | Hmm.. No one tried mp4 stuff yet? Have to search the forum/boards, I guess. | 23:37 |
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| mmr | anyone in | 23:47 |
| mmr | seems not | 23:47 |
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| Navi | mp4? | 23:50 |
| Navi | as in mpeg-4? | 23:50 |
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| jku | Tobotras, yeah, notap works (not over ssh though) | 23:56 |
| Tobotras | jku: fine, thanks. Weird thing, it fails to open ebook on my friends' n810... | 23:57 |
| jku | Tobotras, if I try over ssh, the window opens but I get "Error opening ebook: Cannot open book" | 23:58 |
| Tobotras | jku: wow. And it starts correctly from desktop menu? | 23:58 |
| jku | from local xterm | 23:58 |
| jku | I'll try menu | 23:58 |
| Tobotras | I see | 23:59 |
| jku | fine from menu | 23:59 |
| * |tbb| guess there will be some new themes out there in the next time | 23:59 | |
| Tobotras | jku: funny | 23:59 |
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