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| esworp | B u r p. | 00:18 |
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| inz | jga, you'll most likely need to compile it for i386 | 00:21 |
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| Navi | I had a dream during my nap | 00:25 |
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| Navi | I dreamed that I found an N800 in my cabinet and then I was like ZOMGLOLWTF? | 00:25 |
| Navi | So I went straight to my PC and loaded mypaint | 00:26 |
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| Navi | After that, I woke up and screamed "damn it!" 'cuz it was a dream. | 00:26 |
| Navi | True story. | 00:26 |
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| pupnik | good Navi | 00:38 |
| pupnik | we need more tablet radicals :) | 00:38 |
| pupnik | someone will be contacting you soon | 00:39 |
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| rm_you | Hanz Zimmer's score to The Rock is some of the most EPIC music I've ever heard <_< | 00:42 |
| rm_you | <3 | 00:43 |
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| reverendnathan | Hey guys, I'm going on a trip soon... quick question: is my 770 optimal enough to play a movie for the 2 hour flight? I'm guess Canola and using DiVx to reduce the video to a proper setting will do it? | 00:47 |
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| spirytusick | hello :) | 00:48 |
| rm_you | reverendnathan: i would try just pure mplayer.... | 00:48 |
| rm_you | reverendnathan: and i *think* it should have just enough power | 00:49 |
| rm_you | well, a little more than enough, if you put it in offline mode and havent used it much yet since unplugging it | 00:49 |
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| rm_you | also, just be sensible... like don't have the brightness at 100% :P | 00:50 |
| rm_you | i think i've managed to get something like 4 hours of video out of my n800 without it entirely dying | 00:50 |
| reverendnathan | rm_you: Cool. If not, my cell can handle it. Gotta get some more memory to hold the movie though! Good luck finding MMC, am I right? | 00:51 |
| rm_you | heh, is that what your phone uses? | 00:51 |
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| rm_you | or... what does the 770 use, exactly? i always just assumed it used SD as well | 00:51 |
| reverendnathan | Lemme see, it's not SD unfort | 00:52 |
| Juhaz | 770 uses rs-mmc | 00:52 |
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| rm_you | yeah, no idea <_< | 00:52 |
| Juhaz | aka mmcmobile | 00:52 |
| rm_you | i love my n800 because it uses two nice full SDHC cards :P | 00:52 |
| reverendnathan | MultiMediaCard | 00:52 |
| rm_you | the n810 is lame in comparison <_< | 00:52 |
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| reverendnathan | It looks like SD if SD was flipped sideways and has a lot of connectors | 00:53 |
| rm_you | dunno who the hell had the bright idea to downsize it to a single MiniSD | 00:53 |
| t_s_o | hmm, for whatever reason, canola have become a dependency for some lib packages. debs getting confused, or something worse? | 00:53 |
| rm_you | damnit... my n800 is getting on my nerves, because it keeps just SHUTTING OFF | 00:54 |
| reverendnathan | 64 MB RS-MMC memory card | 00:54 |
| rm_you | not rebooting... just powering completely off | 00:54 |
| reverendnathan | Going to assume RS-MMC = MMCPlus? | 00:54 |
| rm_you | never when i'm using it... just while it's in my pocket | 00:54 |
| rm_you | and only since os2008 | 00:55 |
| reverendnathan | Hopefully? Because I'm going to buy bigger memory for this motha | 00:55 |
| jku | rm_you, the single card is probably because of swap | 00:55 |
| jku | they want to make sure the swap card can't be removed... | 00:55 |
| rm_you | ok, that's semi-understandable then... | 00:56 |
| rm_you | but why miniSD? >_< | 00:56 |
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| rm_you | takes what could be a 16G or soon 32G card slot, and makes it into a 4G maximum / hard to find / uncompatible with everything else card | 00:56 |
| jku | I know very little of cards -- what should it have been? | 00:57 |
| t_s_o | gotta love the cli, apt-get had no problems removing canola... | 00:57 |
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| rm_you | jku: standard SD again | 00:57 |
| jku | I've heard N810 is very, very tightly packed | 00:57 |
| rm_you | i like the idea of GPS builtin, and a hardware keyboard... | 00:58 |
| jku | so maybe it was a size problem | 00:58 |
| rm_you | but the downgrade to miniSD means I would *never* buy or recommend one to anyone | 00:58 |
| pupnik | ok i got maybe 5% more speed tonight | 00:58 |
| rm_you | and 100% of the friends i've tried to make buy a Maemo device agree that if they were going to buy one, it would be the n800 over the n810 primarily because of the SD >_> | 00:59 |
| elb | how is minisd a downgrade from sd? | 00:59 |
| pupnik | there was no space for full sd, rm_you | 00:59 |
| jku | rm_you, why is it that important? | 00:59 |
| rm_you | space.... | 00:59 |
| rm_you | <rm_you> takes what could be a 16G or soon 32G card slot, and makes it into a 4G maximum / hard to find / uncompatible with everything else card | 00:59 |
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| wwp | miniSD are expensive and not well spread | 00:59 |
| wwp | the choices of miniSD cards is weak | 01:00 |
| pupnik | my 4GB minisd was 21 euro | 01:00 |
| wwp | best is to buy a microSD w/ an adapter | 01:00 |
| rm_you | my 4g SD was like 10Euro | 01:00 |
| elb | 4GB minisd cards are $25 | 01:00 |
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| elb | that doesn't seem unreasonable to me | 01:00 |
| ssvb | reverendnathan: RS-MMC = MMCMobile (or to be more precise, MMCMobile is a faster, dual voltage version of RS-MMC) | 01:00 |
| rm_you | wwp: agree... microsd = win | 01:00 |
| rm_you | but they also have a much smaller maximum size | 01:00 |
| wwp | elb: in .fr, miniSD prices are way more expensive | 01:00 |
| wwp | compared to micro and normal SD | 01:00 |
| elb | don't blame the technology, blame the socialist economy ;-) | 01:01 |
| rm_you | you can RIGHT NOW buy a 16Gb SD card | 01:01 |
| rm_you | micro caps at 4Gb, from what i've seen | 01:01 |
| wwp | you'll find 2 miniSD ones for 10 micro or normal ones. of course, at expensive prices and won't find high speeds or capacities | 01:01 |
| elb | mini- and microsd will catch up to SD | 01:01 |
| rm_you | and SD will soon be at 32 | 01:01 |
| wwp | microSD -> 8GB | 01:01 |
| elb | frankly, I haven't seen any reason to augment the built-in storage in my 810 | 01:01 |
| rm_you | elb: what do you use your device for? | 01:02 |
| wwp | the miniSD choise is an error to me. normal or micro was way more pertinent | 01:02 |
| jku | elb, agreed. Not everyone has the same requirements | 01:02 |
| wwp | same for the USB plug format, stupid (or commercial) | 01:02 |
| rm_you | the MaemoMapper database in my n800 takes up 1Gb by itself | 01:02 |
| elb | rm_you: mostly reading documents and keeping a schedule/notes, so far | 01:02 |
| elb | maemo mapper isn't anywhere near that large, on mine | 01:02 |
| elb | but I didn't try to map the entire continent | 01:02 |
| reverendnathan | ssvb: This stuff isn't cheap! Cheapest I found : http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-2gb-mmcmobile/q/loc/101/202807841.html ($32! for 2GB) | 01:02 |
| rm_you | I need to have most of two large cities and the area between | 01:02 |
| jku | elb: just one city can fill a card... | 01:02 |
| wwp | about the USB plug, there are already 2 very common USB formats of this size. there were no use to create a new one, w/ quite no cable that fit | 01:02 |
| wwp | the USB plug format and miniSD format choices only reveal some commercial purposes | 01:03 |
| wwp | not any pertinent technical ones | 01:03 |
| jku | wwp, like? | 01:03 |
| wwp | like what? | 01:03 |
| wwp | what like? | 01:04 |
| jku | I'm wondering what you mean by "commercial purposes" | 01:04 |
| jku | just that it makes economical sense to Nokia? | 01:04 |
| elb | wwp: they didn't "create a new one" | 01:04 |
| wwp | good question. ways to control specific cable prices? | 01:04 |
| elb | wwp: you realize that the plug on the 810 is standard, right? | 01:04 |
| wwp | elb: no, right, they didn't create a new one, they just make use of the most uncommon one ;) | 01:04 |
| elb | and that it serves a functionality which is different from the other small plugs | 01:05 |
| wwp | whereas similar very popular ones were available | 01:05 |
| elb | there's an *extra pin* compared to those "very popular ones" | 01:05 |
| elb | and that extra pin allows you to do things that the "very popular ones" can't do | 01:05 |
| wwp | what functionality? bind pin 4 and 5? | 01:05 |
| wwp | tss | 01:05 |
| elb | USB OTG requires those pins, yes | 01:05 |
| elb | it's not just about "bind pin 4 and 5" | 01:05 |
| wwp | you can find other plugs w/ OTG | 01:05 |
| wwp | google a bit! | 01:06 |
| elb | devices which are *only* compatible with either host or client mode, yes | 01:06 |
| wwp | ;) | 01:06 |
| elb | but devices which can do both require the extra pin | 01:06 |
| wwp | yes | 01:06 |
| wwp | right! | 01:06 |
| esworp | So, what is usb to go? | 01:06 |
| elb | "google a bit!" | 01:06 |
| ssvb | reverendnathan: unfortunately Nokia 770 does not support cheap SD cards, Kingston 2GB MMCMobile is probably the best choice for this device | 01:07 |
| elb | esworp: it's a standard which allows devices to act either as a host or a device, depending on what they're plugged in to | 01:07 |
| jku | that explains it and makes sense with the card issue: you can now use usb sticks to store stuff... | 01:07 |
| elb | esworp: e.g., the n810 is a host when you plug it into a keyboard, and a device when you plug it into your computer | 01:07 |
| pupnik | 38363 7.3391 no-vmlinux (no symbols) <<< what is that? the virtual memory of the itos kernel? | 01:07 |
| pupnik | oh duh nevermind | 01:08 |
| pupnik | i'd need a kernel with debugging symbols | 01:08 |
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| pupnik | if only dosbox didn't segfault when i run -fprofile-generate :( | 01:10 |
| hachi | anyone know if a screen protector for the 800 will fit on an 810? | 01:13 |
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| hachi | I don't know if they have the same exact screen or not... I would assume so normally | 01:13 |
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| pupnik | the screen on n810 is smaller than 770 | 01:15 |
| pupnik | don't know about vs. n800 | 01:15 |
| jku | pupnik, are you sure? They all look the same to me... | 01:16 |
| pupnik | i have both here and 770 is larger by perhaps 2-3 mm | 01:16 |
| jku | which direction? | 01:17 |
| pupnik | horiz | 01:17 |
| pupnik | vert maybe 2 mm or so | 01:17 |
| jku | oh, right. had to turn them on to see it | 01:18 |
| hachi | if you have an 800 there, can you tell me the horizontal dimension of the display? | 01:18 |
| hachi | my 810 is exactly 90mm | 01:19 |
| hachi | x 53mm, vertical | 01:19 |
| jku | hachi, I don't have really good measuring tools | 01:21 |
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| jku | but yeah they can't be more than 1mm different | 01:21 |
| hachi | so many sites list the size of the display in inches, and the size of the device in mm horizontal and vertical | 01:23 |
| hachi | gah | 01:23 |
| jku | pupnik, even the difference to 770 is only maybe 1 mm to each direction, when I actually try to measure | 01:23 |
| jku | maybe 2 | 01:23 |
| hachi | 800 is 4.1" | 01:23 |
| hachi | 770 is 4.13" | 01:23 |
| hachi | does anyone ever replace screen protectors? | 01:24 |
| hachi | I'm debating buying one or three :\ | 01:25 |
| jku | 0.03" = 0.76 mm, so not much to each direction (of course specs and reality do not always meet) | 01:26 |
| hachi | yeah :) | 01:27 |
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| pupnik | anybody here done gcc tests with funroll-loops / funroll-all-loops? | 01:30 |
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| jku | whoa, xomap xrandr: http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=39 | 01:41 |
| jku | rotated by the lcd controller so should be plenty fast | 01:41 |
| hachi | nice job | 01:42 |
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| pupnik | http://www.arm.com/support/faqdev/1228.html useful info on alignment on ARM and packed structures | 01:46 |
| pupnik | cool jku | 01:48 |
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| LastLemming | the rootme password not work, I just flashed my n800 with OS2008 :( | 02:17 |
| LastLemming | and no ssh root@localhost | 02:17 |
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| jku | "no ssh root@localhost" -- be more exact. What is the problem? | 02:23 |
| Tama^3 | install sshd | 02:23 |
| Tama^3 | :) | 02:23 |
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| nwidger | can anyone tell me if the igo bluetooth keyboard works with the n810?: http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1203121394&sr=8-1 | 02:28 |
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| Tama^3 | I read in this channel before that it does | 02:36 |
| Tama^3 | but I have no first hand information | 02:36 |
| nwidger | cool thanks :) | 02:39 |
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| eichi | hello | 02:44 |
| eichi | is there a way to remove the contact button? the second one on the left side..i dont need this | 02:45 |
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| jga23 | anybody create a TaskNav panel in python? (like http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16460) | 02:57 |
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| andkorn | hello everyone | 03:09 |
| andkorn | I have a quick but possibly difficult question. | 03:10 |
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| andkorn | How do you compile a toolkit for maemo using crosstool or crosstool-NG? | 03:11 |
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| LastLemming | how I get root password? | 03:42 |
| dphil9000 | install a system and take notes | 03:42 |
| jga23 | anybody know how to remap the hardware keys on the n810? | 03:45 |
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| acydlord | a dremmel and some duct tape | 04:09 |
| * jott tries to imagine a world without duct tape but fails | 04:10 | |
| acydlord | we'd still be using bailing wire for everything | 04:10 |
| jott | nah that's not the same :/ | 04:11 |
| acydlord | i know, but its how the world survived before the shiny bond that holds us all together | 04:12 |
| jott | but look under what circumstances they had to live.. | 04:13 |
| pupnik | duct tape! | 04:13 |
| pupnik | symbolized by | | 04:14 |
| pupnik | the stuff is unaffordable in germany | 04:16 |
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| Blafasel | I drove several Citroen 2CV, they are basically made of duct tape. ;) | 04:20 |
| pupnik | hahaha | 04:20 |
| pupnik | you have to love the unique design and simplicity | 04:21 |
| Blafasel | I did. Still do. | 04:21 |
| elb | duct tape, *expensive* ? | 04:21 |
| * elb shakes his head at broken socialist economies for the second time in one day | 04:21 | |
| pupnik | i'll agree but perhaps duct tape producers in some countries are externalizing pollution costs, which are then borne in sickness | 04:22 |
| pupnik | so goes the theory | 04:23 |
| elb | I'm having a doubt | 04:23 |
| elb | well, in *some* countries, I'm sure | 04:23 |
| pupnik | anyway the reason germans don't use it is they have a cultural aversion to sloppy quick fixes to anything | 04:24 |
| elb | Germany does have a horrid subsidy system in place for "environmental" stuff, though, I hadn't thought about that | 04:24 |
| pupnik | yes | 04:24 |
| elb | man, I bet that makes all kinds of things crazy expensive | 04:24 |
| pupnik | there's also a cultural antipathy towards chemistry | 04:24 |
| pupnik | as evinced in a strong market for homeopathic and herbal remedies | 04:24 |
| elb | a friend of mine was waxing fond on the solar energy subsidies the other day | 04:25 |
| elb | I tried to explain that it isn't all bunnies and flowers, but I don't think I got through | 04:25 |
| pupnik | everyone should go to mises.org and learn some economic reality imo :) | 04:25 |
| elb | amen | 04:25 |
| pupnik | i just discovered the speeches of Hans-Herman Hoppe - awesome | 04:26 |
| pupnik | http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=showname&ID=164 | 04:26 |
| elb | I don't know as much about economy as I'd like | 04:26 |
| Navi | pupnik, tablet radicals? | 04:26 |
| elb | there's just not enough time ;-) | 04:27 |
| pupnik | yeah Navi, then you too can become infused with THE FORCE and help our communist linux revolution | 04:27 |
| Navi | I see. | 04:27 |
| ttmrichter | OK, if I've semi-bricked my N800 -- I can ssh into it but the GUI isn't starting -- after I've finished backing everything on it up, what's the best way to figure out what's gone wrong with the gui with an eye toward fixing it? | 04:27 |
| Navi | So, it's not starting on a fresh start? | 04:28 |
| elb | this isn't going to be in German, is it? ;-) | 04:28 |
| pupnik | you see, elb, in software scarcity is not a natural state, but rather an artificial one | 04:28 |
| pupnik | no he speaks english | 04:28 |
| `0660_ | why not just reflash it? | 04:28 |
| ttmrichter | It's not starting on a power-off, take the battery out, put the battery back in and turn on cycle. | 04:28 |
| elb | I should burn these to CD and listen to them in the car | 04:28 |
| elb | I didn't realize they had audio content on mises.org | 04:28 |
| pupnik | yep i just listened to him on a long walk | 04:28 |
| ttmrichter | The system is running, as I said. I'm rsynching it right now. But the GUI is just not starting. | 04:28 |
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| Navi | `0660_, I view reflashing and red pill as a last resort | 04:29 |
| Navi | unless it's ultimately easier | 04:29 |
| Navi | pupnik, are the ones that will contact me also bringing my very own N810? | 04:29 |
| pupnik | :) | 04:29 |
| Navi | I could do with an IT | 04:30 |
| pupnik | buy one :) | 04:30 |
| Navi | I only have enough money stored for half an N800 | 04:30 |
| ttmrichter | `0660_: Reflashing is my last choice. I'd rather not go through the hassles of re-installing all the software all over again. And, too, this won't help me understand what went wrong in the first place. | 04:30 |
| Navi | in the N800 fund anyways, the rest is for gas | 04:30 |
| elb | pupnik: if you've listened to some of these ... is any particular order better than linear? | 04:31 |
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| pupnik | it depends on your favorite subject - you can also go by events | 04:32 |
| pupnik | and your favorite speaker might well differ from mine. i am just going down the list | 04:32 |
| elb | sure | 04:32 |
| pupnik | i find it much more entertaining than pop music, or god forbid television now | 04:32 |
| jott | pupnik: thanks for the link :) | 04:32 |
| elb | mnight as well start with a recommendation, though :-) | 04:33 |
| pupnik | you're very welcome. umm well my favorites were on imperialism personally cause they ventured more into obvious political territory | 04:33 |
| pupnik | http://mises.org/events/88 | 04:33 |
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| pupnik | oops where's the media | 04:34 |
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| pupnik | http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=94 | 04:34 |
| pupnik | there it is | 04:34 |
| ttmrichter | Anybody with an idea of how to diagnose the GUI-not-starting-up problem? | 04:35 |
| pupnik | ttmrichter: can you ssh into the device? | 04:35 |
| ttmrichter | pupnik: Yes. And indeed I'm backing everything up through rsynch as we speak. | 04:35 |
| pupnik | is the device a N810 or N800 with os2008? | 04:36 |
| ttmrichter | N800, OS2007. | 04:37 |
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| pupnik | i don't think i can help | 04:37 |
| ttmrichter | Well, what is the command sequence that launches the GUI? I could fire that up in SSH and see what error messages erupt. | 04:38 |
| acydlord | hildon-desktop ? | 04:40 |
| pupnik | i don't even know how to turn on /var/log | 04:40 |
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| SDP | Hi. | 04:42 |
| SDP | I have a 770 | 04:42 |
| SDP | What fun thing can I do with it? | 04:42 |
| pupnik | SDP http://pupnik.de/software.html | 04:42 |
| ttmrichter | acydlord: No such command it seems. | 04:42 |
| pupnik | help fix-up the games and emulators | 04:42 |
| SDP | oo. fun things. | 04:44 |
| SDP | thanks. | 04:45 |
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| ttmrichter | OK, for the record: I think I've solved the problem. | 04:52 |
| ttmrichter | There was a libpango update. | 04:52 |
| ttmrichter | The update invoked a new script in /sbin. | 04:52 |
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| ttmrichter | The script existed -- but it was a PERL script. | 04:52 |
| ttmrichter | Perl is not installed on my N800. | 04:52 |
| ttmrichter | Until now, I imean. | 04:52 |
| ttmrichter | Now the apt-get update/upgrade cycle has worked. | 04:53 |
| ttmrichter | So once my backup is finished, I'll see if I have a GUI again. | 04:53 |
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| Veggen | hmm. | 04:57 |
| Veggen | hardware sucks, | 04:57 |
| truls | only hoovers | 04:57 |
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| truls | any nice pixlers available for n800 yet? | 05:04 |
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| Navi | pixlers? | 05:04 |
| truls | graphics software for drawing pixel graphics, like game sprites and stuff | 05:05 |
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| truls | most anything would do, but last i checked nothing was available, only the most basic doodlers | 05:09 |
| Navi | There's the artsy mypaint, but that's not for pixel editing | 05:10 |
| Navi | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5913&highlight=pixel+art | 05:10 |
| Navi | That hasn't been touched in a while, it seems | 05:10 |
| Navi | pupnik, I blame you. | 05:11 |
| truls | hm, might be worth a look | 05:11 |
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| truls | but you cant zoom and do single pixel modifications? | 05:12 |
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| Navi | The description says that it's designed for pixel editing | 05:13 |
| truls | nice | 05:14 |
| pupnik | I think unique311 did a hildonized mypaint | 05:14 |
| Navi | mypaint =/= mtpaint | 05:14 |
| pupnik | oh yeah... i like mtpaint better. i am kicking myself for not telling the author to apply for a developer discount | 05:15 |
| Navi | :P | 05:15 |
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| pupnik | that's a pathetic state of affairs for a platform | 05:16 |
| Navi | mtpaint is nice, but the n770 build doesn't have alpha-blended brushes | 05:16 |
| pupnik | not having a good paint proggy... | 05:16 |
| truls | pupnik: seconded | 05:16 |
| Navi | s/nice/all right/ | 05:16 |
| infobot | Navi meant: mtpaint is all right, but the n770 build doesn't have alpha-blended brushes | 05:16 |
| pupnik | there's a build with alpha brushes? | 05:16 |
| Navi | mypaint is fine | 05:16 |
| pupnik | author told me he was working on it | 05:16 |
| Navi | the official mtpaint has lapha brushes | 05:16 |
| pupnik | gaaaah! | 05:17 |
| Navi | s/lapha/alpha | 05:17 |
| Navi | (I think) | 05:17 |
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| * ttmrichter sighs. OK, the libpango upgrade isn't the only thing borked here. I still don't have a GUI. | 05:18 | |
| ttmrichter | Any more ideas or is it reflashing time? | 05:18 |
| Navi | Which really sucks since it's a paint program, after all | 05:18 |
| Navi | ttmrichter, might as well if you've backed things up | 05:20 |
| ttmrichter | Problem with that is, not knowing what the cause was means it'll just happen again. | 05:20 |
| Navi | Be careful next time | 05:20 |
| ttmrichter | I'm not entirely enthused with this. That strikes me more as the Windows way. | 05:20 |
| ttmrichter | Of what? | 05:20 |
| ttmrichter | How can I be careful if I have ZERO idea of what triggered this? | 05:21 |
| ttmrichter | If I could even just try to start the GUI from the command line and see the error messages it would be helpful. | 05:21 |
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| pupnik | Navi i can try building mtpaint right now | 05:22 |
| Navi | Why you telling me for? I don't have a tablet, remember? :3 | 05:22 |
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| pupnik | well raw build of new mtpaint 3.0 compiles and runs but needs a lot of changes for the tablet | 05:31 |
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| truls | pupnik: building for IT2007 or 2008? | 05:34 |
| truls | well, if it needs a lot of changes, i guess it doesn't matter that much | 05:34 |
| pupnik | no can't even draw with the pencil | 05:34 |
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| truls | pupnik: try a stylus | 05:34 |
| truls | *hide* | 05:35 |
| pupnik | it's not impossible to fix up programs when you're totally clueless | 05:37 |
| pupnik | that's the cool thing about this | 05:38 |
| pupnik | learn a few basic things, then google for stuff, then ask the program author for help and... | 05:39 |
| pupnik | all of a sudden it works | 05:39 |
| ryoohki | can anyone recommend a usb bluetooth dongle which supports stereo a2dp on linux? | 05:39 |
| truls | heh | 05:39 |
| Navi | I would think that most dongles would support the A2DP profile nowadays | 05:42 |
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| pupnik | ping | 05:50 |
| Tama^3 | pong | 05:51 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:52 |
| unique311 | mtpaint 3.0? | 05:52 |
| pupnik | hi! | 05:53 |
| Navi | :3 | 05:53 |
| Navi | Hey thur :D | 05:53 |
| truls | woo | 05:53 |
| unique311 | 3.20 | 05:53 |
| pupnik | check sourceforge | 05:53 |
| pupnik | god William Krystol is such a liar | 05:54 |
| unique311 | i should give mtpaint another chance..... | 05:56 |
| unique311 | i just want fullscreen. | 05:57 |
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| susej_ | sup niggaz | 06:00 |
| susej_ | n e 1 ? | 06:00 |
| susej_ | here? | 06:01 |
| unique311 | wow | 06:01 |
| Navi | :| | 06:02 |
| susej_ | how goes it tonight | 06:03 |
| j0tt | pupnik: do you know how to set the WMName of an SDL app? | 06:03 |
| pupnik | there's a howto on that | 06:03 |
| unique311 | suseJ, where you from? | 06:03 |
| susej_ | LA | 06:03 |
| unique311 | was thinking NY, but close enough. | 06:04 |
| * j0tt pokes the mighty google botnet | 06:04 | |
| susej_ | where are you from? | 06:04 |
| unique311 | NY | 06:04 |
| susej_ | how the weather freezing ass cold? | 06:04 |
| susej_ | yeah it was 70 degrees today here | 06:05 |
| susej_ | i was ina sharts and a t shirt | 06:05 |
| * pupnik gives susej_ a slow hand clap | 06:05 | |
| pupnik | are you proud about your weather? | 06:05 |
| susej_ | yes | 06:05 |
| susej_ | i love it | 06:05 |
| susej_ | i could not live any where else | 06:06 |
| pupnik | plonk | 06:06 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, mypaint is ok but lags after doing a couple of lines. | 06:07 |
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| pupnik | eyy doc|home | 06:08 |
| pupnik | we were just talking about mises here :) | 06:08 |
| doc|home | hey pupnik | 06:08 |
| doc|home | yey! | 06:08 |
| Navi | orly | 06:08 |
| Navi | Is there any pressure sensitivity? | 06:09 |
| unique311 | yes | 06:09 |
| unique311 | in mypaint | 06:09 |
| doc|home | pupnik: what'd I miss? | 06:09 |
| Navi | Secks | 06:09 |
| pupnik | not much, just found a couple of fans | 06:09 |
| doc|home | apart from a 12 year old evidently | 06:09 |
| doc|home | pupnik: cool | 06:09 |
| susej_ | well you guys are NO fun | 06:10 |
| susej_ | toll on | 06:10 |
| unique311 | lol | 06:10 |
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| unique311 | toll? | 06:11 |
| unique311 | ina sharts? | 06:11 |
| pupnik | i'm still holding out for unique311 | 06:11 |
| j0tt | pupnik: http://www.colino.net/wordpress-1.5/wp-content/WM_NAME.patch looks interesting | 06:11 |
| unique311 | so susej was a bot? | 06:12 |
| doc|home | no, just a troll | 06:12 |
| unique311 | does that pay? | 06:13 |
| Navi | no, just a retard | 06:13 |
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| pupnik | there's a lot of work for retards in IT land | 06:14 |
| pupnik | cause there are so few smart people | 06:14 |
| unique311 | working on mtpaint....hopefully i have good news in the morning. | 06:17 |
| truls | woo | 06:18 |
| truls | looking forward to that | 06:18 |
| truls | hm, gotta make a spritetester | 06:18 |
| unique311 | i don't think you should. | 06:18 |
| unique311 | lol | 06:18 |
| truls | heh | 06:18 |
| truls | testing spriteanims from gimp is so tedious when you have them laid out as a spritesheet | 06:19 |
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| Navi | :D | 06:19 |
| truls | and even worse when the sprites are buttugly | 06:19 |
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| BTobotras | morning | 09:09 |
| BTobotras | Shouldn't there be gtk includes in scratchbox' ARMEL target? | 09:09 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, not promising. the backup app seems to just hang when i have done my selection and hit ok | 09:33 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, seems there is some issue with it backing up settings... | 09:46 |
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| t_s_o | no error message in the terminal | 09:50 |
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| truent_ | j #compiz-fusion | 10:14 |
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| BTobotras | How do I implement long operation without blocking entire application? I want to have background processing with progress bar in hildon_banner.. | 10:57 |
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| felipec | BTobotras: using a thread? | 11:12 |
| BTobotras | felipec: ouch! | 11:13 |
| BTobotras | felipec: okay, blocking but showing indicator :) | 11:13 |
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| monkeyiq | is there an app for the n810 which logs GPS coords continually to the sdcard? | 11:14 |
| felipec | BTobotras: thread are not that difficult | 11:14 |
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| BTobotras | felipec: sure, just don't really need it here | 11:15 |
| felipec | BTobotras: yeah, a lot of people say that and what you have is UI's where you don't know what's happening | 11:16 |
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| BTobotras | felipec: that's why I want to update progress bar :) | 11:20 |
| felipec | BTobotras: but if you block the progress bar is updated, but the UI is not usable, so you can't see the progress-bar or anything else | 11:22 |
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| BTobotras | felipec: ah, yep, sure. | 11:24 |
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| melmoth | BTobotras: i think it s either a separate thread, or a second process and communication with dbus | 11:29 |
| melmoth | now, some 'long operation' such as file transfert can be nicely wrapped already with gnome vfs i think. | 11:31 |
| melmoth | so you dont have to take care of the thread thingy, you can just declare a callback that is called every percent of the transfert or something like that | 11:32 |
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| felipec | but gnome vfs is almost dead | 11:37 |
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| melmoth | is it ? | 11:38 |
| melmoth | i though it was a core composant of the tablet thingy. | 11:38 |
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| BTobotras | Why can't I gtk_widget_destroy from within e_book_async_open callback? How does the callback relate to Gtk main loop? | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:53 |
| BTobotras | Okay, can I widget_destroy from within g_idle callback? :) | 11:55 |
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| wwp | does anybody get problems updating packages due to libglade2.0 conflicts (2.6.x is in maemo extra, the package manager wants it but it breask osso-software-versions)? | 12:30 |
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| jku | wwp, upgrading system components is not allowed. So ITOS 2008 compatible applications cannot depend on libglade != 2.4.0-1osso2 | 12:33 |
| wwp | I see | 12:33 |
| wwp | jku: problem is that there's no application here that depends on libglade != 2.4.0 | 12:34 |
| wwp | it's just 'cause there's a libglade 2.6.0 available from one of the repositories | 12:34 |
| jku | why does the package manager want to install it then? | 12:34 |
| wwp | I have no idea | 12:34 |
| wwp | will try to figure this out | 12:34 |
| jku | is it a user visible package? | 12:34 |
| wwp | maybe a package that has libglade >= 2.4.0 as dep (instead of =2.4.0) | 12:35 |
| jku | that shouldn't be a problem... | 12:35 |
| wwp | hm | 12:35 |
| wwp | then I don't understand | 12:35 |
| wwp | I have tagtool here, which needs libglade | 12:35 |
| wwp | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: | 12:36 |
| wwp | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 12:36 |
| wwp | tagtool: Depends: libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1) but 1:2.4.0-1osso2 is to be installed | 12:36 |
| wwp | elb: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). | 12:36 |
| wwp | I get this when apt-get updating | 12:36 |
| jku | libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1 | 12:36 |
| jku | that's it | 12:36 |
| wwp | hmm | 12:37 |
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| jku | that first 1 is epoch (not really part of version number) | 12:38 |
| wwp | jku: then it's my fault, will fix my glade version in my sdk | 12:38 |
| jku | tagtool is yours? | 12:38 |
| wwp | the port and package yes, but I'm not the author | 12:39 |
| jku | yes, right | 12:39 |
| wwp | btw I've just made a diffutils .deb available | 12:39 |
| wwp | it's a pain that there was no repository proposing it | 12:40 |
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| wwp | I just wonder how people can live w/o diffutils ;) | 12:40 |
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| thopiekar | hi there | 12:43 |
| thopiekar | i've got a question about canola.. | 12:44 |
| thopiekar | will there be other languages like german?? | 12:45 |
| wwp | thoenig: /join #canola ? | 12:46 |
| wwp | thoenig: here I see it in english | 12:46 |
| wwp | oh great, you're already there | 12:46 |
| thopiekar | jes^^ | 12:47 |
| hahlo | i have notice that for some reason more i tune tablet worse skype gets, then when i refla h fresh os2008 skype works well again, don't understand why ssh and modified init etc makes skype worse | 12:48 |
| felipec | melmoth: the next GNOME release probably won't have gvfs | 12:53 |
| felipec | melmoth: I guess Maemo eventually won't have it either | 12:53 |
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| BTobotras | Sorry, where do my contacts live? :) | 13:06 |
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| BTobotras | That is, where's EDS store? | 13:11 |
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| BTobotras | Okay, that's ~/.osso-abook, thanks ;) | 13:15 |
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| melmoth | je crois que j'ai une piste pour le 4eme bug :) | 13:17 |
| melmoth | oups | 13:17 |
| wwp | mais alors | 13:18 |
| wwp | jku: thanks for helping me figuring out what was wrong w/ tagtool/libglade-2.6.0, I could repack it w/ the right dep | 13:18 |
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| khertan | Hi ! | 13:24 |
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| wald0 | what there's the editor options that we have for chinook ? | 14:58 |
| wald0 | we have vim ? | 14:58 |
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| wald0 | any graphically ? (text editor for code, with syntax) | 14:59 |
| wald0 | no vim ? | 15:01 |
| Zero_Dogg | there are vim packages available yeah | 15:02 |
| wald0 | i need to go out for 3 hours and i want to read source codes in the BUS, is there not any editor with syntax ? | 15:02 |
| wald0 | Zero_Dogg: for chinook ? what are the repos/link ? | 15:02 |
| Zero_Dogg | for chinook yes, can't remember which repos | 15:02 |
| wald0 | :/ | 15:02 |
| Zero_Dogg | google it | 15:03 |
| Zero_Dogg | iirc, there's no gvim though (not sure, never use gvim myself, but didn't see one) | 15:03 |
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| BTobotras | No package 'gtk+-2.0' found under CHINOOK_ARMEL, but everything works under CHINOOK_X86. Hmm... | 15:09 |
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| wald0 | Zero_Dogg: where i can found the better repositories list (sources.list) for chinook ? | 15:14 |
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| lcuk_3 | wald0, there is an editor called pygtkeditor which uses a highlighting source editor (which appears to have multiple language support) | 15:17 |
| lcuk_3 | its available from the normal repos i think | 15:18 |
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| maddler | hi all | 16:04 |
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| wald0 | lcuk_3: thx, ill made a look | 16:04 |
| wald0 | is there any repositories or project about E17 (Enlightenment) that i can try/install on my n800 ? | 16:08 |
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| konttori | hey, what do I need to put to .desktop file to run app as sudo? | 16:16 |
| konttori | (as su) | 16:16 |
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| wald0 | konttori: put the normal command in TryExec, and put the command with sudo before, in teh Exec one | 16:18 |
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| konttori | so, like: Exec="sudo /usr/bin/usbcontrol" | 16:19 |
| konttori | ? | 16:19 |
| konttori | Or so that there are two lines in there like: | 16:19 |
| konttori | Exec="sudo /usr/bin/usbcontrol" | 16:19 |
| konttori | TryExec=/usr/bin/usbcontrol | 16:19 |
| wald0 | aha, good :) | 16:20 |
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| wald0 | konttori: btw, do you know how n800 generate the menus ? | 16:21 |
| konttori | I'm no gtk expert, but what did you have in mind? | 16:21 |
| wald0 | nothing, jst to know how are generated the emnus | 16:23 |
| konttori | So, would this answer your question: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#Menus | 16:24 |
| konttori | Or did you have something deeper in mind? | 16:24 |
| konttori | naa.. the app isn't starting now at all. | 16:25 |
| konttori | I wonder if the quote marks should be dropped. Trying that now | 16:26 |
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| konttori | ah. now it works. The quotation marks weren't supposed to be there. | 16:29 |
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| konttori | now, the only problem seems to be that look and feel isn't hildonized. | 16:29 |
| konttori | thansk wald0! | 16:29 |
| konttori | thanks even | 16:29 |
| konttori | any idea on how to run as su and still keep hildonization? | 16:30 |
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| solmumaha | konttori: tried run-standalone.sh? | 16:32 |
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| konttori | ah. would that work with sudo as well? | 16:34 |
| konttori | Interesting. I'm trying it now. | 16:35 |
| inz | Remember to put it as sudo run-standalone.sh -- not the other way round | 16:35 |
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| konttori | yeah. thanks. seems to work! | 16:35 |
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| cyberholic | Good morning everyon! | 16:37 |
| cyberholic | everyone i mean :) | 16:37 |
| cyberholic | I updated my maemo Desktop Software... anyone want to give it a try? | 16:39 |
| cyberholic | here is a preview: http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo/preview.jpg | 16:39 |
| lcuk_3 | cyberholic, when i looked yesterday i failed to tell you one thing: you have made a spelling mastake on February, you spelt it Feburary | 16:44 |
| Navi | This is ridiculous | 16:45 |
| cyberholic | lcuk... ooops. thanks! ill change that | 16:45 |
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| cyberholic | I took the timers off and inserted an autoslide function into it! | 16:45 |
| lcuk_3 | cyber, once my 810 counterpart logs in i would like a link to the proper one - ill give it a full test on the device itself | 16:46 |
| lcuk_3 | the timers didnt work too well either, i couldnt stop them once started | 16:46 |
| lcuk | on 810 now, cybr i can has link please | 16:46 |
| khertan | def bToday_pressed(self, widget): | 16:47 |
| khertan | print "bJournal" | 16:47 |
| khertan | self.destroy_content() | 16:47 |
| khertan | self.wjournal_widget = wjournal.CreateWidget("wjournal") | 16:47 |
| khertan | self.content.add(self.wjournal_widget) | 16:47 |
| khertan | def bCalendar_pressed(self, widget): | 16:47 |
| khertan | print "bCalendar" | 16:47 |
| khertan | self.destroy_content() | 16:47 |
| khertan | self.wcalendar_widget = wcalendar.CreateWidget("wcalendar") | 16:47 |
| khertan | self.content.add(self.wcalendar_widget) | 16:47 |
| khertan | def bTasks_pressed(self, widget): | 16:48 |
| khertan | print "bTasks" | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.destroy_content() | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.wtodo_widget = wtodo.CreateWidget("wtodo") | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.content.add(self.wtodo_widget) | 16:48 |
| khertan | def bContacts_pressed(self, widget): | 16:48 |
| khertan | print "bContacts" | 16:48 |
| inz | cyberholic, you should get the month names from the system | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.destroy_content() | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.wcontacts_widget = wcontacts.CreateWidget("wcontacts") | 16:48 |
| inz | kherta, oops? | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.content.add(self.wcontacts_widget) | 16:48 |
| khertan | def bNotes_pressed(self, widget): | 16:48 |
| khertan | print "bNotes" | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.destroy_content() | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.wnotes_widget = wnotes.CreateWidget("wnotes") | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.content.add(self.wnotes_widget) | 16:48 |
| khertan | #utility | 16:48 |
| khertan | def destroy_content(self): | 16:48 |
| khertan | children = self.content.get_children() | 16:48 |
| khertan | for child in children: | 16:48 |
| khertan | self.content.remove(child) | 16:48 |
| khertan | child.destroy | 16:48 |
| khertan | oups ... sorry wrong windows | 16:48 |
| khertan | windows switching too fast ... sorry | 16:49 |
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| Navi | ... | 16:49 |
| inz | cyberholic, I don't know what language you dev'd in, but strftime and %B give you the month name | 16:50 |
| inz | Oh, it was flash | 16:50 |
| inz | nevermind then | 16:50 |
| khertan | inz > flash is not a language :) | 16:50 |
| eber_ | khertan: when will you release your calendar ? :) | 16:51 |
| cyberholic | lcuk. thanks a lot! I have changed the monthname. The monts are loaded by the system and i put the var into an array. To tell you the truth, i do not know if Flash can get the monthname like in php e.g. ... I have changed the "finger-sliding" from up to down, because this works better when the device is on the table. | 16:51 |
| inz | khertan, nope, it's a plague | 16:51 |
| khertan | eber_: lol ... i've just started it today | 16:51 |
| cyberholic | And as mentioned, there is now a autoslider, what means that it changed automaticly from tool to tool in a given time. | 16:51 |
| khertan | eber_: and what you see is a piece of a test file | 16:52 |
| lcuk_3 | cyber, can you paste a link here - ive got my 810 in and will test on device :) | 16:54 |
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| cyberholic | It looks like i will have to take the "monthly" calendar from my application, as it seems to bring my device down to its knees. | 16:55 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo | 16:55 |
| cyberholic | If you want to download it http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo/startpage.swf | 16:55 |
| lcuk_3 | khertan, pasting like that gives away top secret things ;) | 16:55 |
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| eber_ | khertan: ok i'll monitor your web page | 16:58 |
| lcuk_3 | cyberholic, that clock would make a really good screensaver for nokia devices. its a shame it is flash | 16:59 |
| cyberholic | :) | 16:59 |
| lcuk_3 | isnt the scrolling backwards? i swipe my stylus down the screen and the content scrolls upwards (and the inverse occurs) | 17:01 |
| Navi | Lol? | 17:01 |
| lcuk_3 | its like being drunk | 17:01 |
| Navi | Yeah, you're right :o | 17:02 |
| Navi | cyberholic, you're such a boob | 17:02 |
| Navi | :3 | 17:02 |
| lcuk_3 | lol | 17:02 |
| lcuk_3 | it was correct when it was sideways | 17:03 |
| lcuk_3 | swipe from right to left (like turning a page) scrolled it correctly | 17:03 |
| Navi | lol | 17:03 |
| lcuk_3 | only problem i have is i keep knocking my 810 over when its on its stand | 17:03 |
| Navi | autoslider ho | 17:03 |
| Navi | I can't figure out how to bring up the menu again :3 | 17:04 |
| cyberholic | lol... sorry.... does it work now? | 17:04 |
| lcuk_3 | once its gone, its gone | 17:04 |
| lcuk_3 | i dont know, how do i reload | 17:05 |
| Navi | down is still up | 17:05 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: you can get the menu by sliding from left to right | 17:05 |
| Navi | yeah, figured that out | 17:05 |
| lcuk_3 | it started to be right, but then it went backwards again | 17:06 |
| Navi | it was never right for me | 17:06 |
| cyberholic | shall i take the "monthly" calender view away? It needs soooo much power and the slide does not look great | 17:07 |
| konttori | solmumaha: any idea why .desktop wont run when I have Exec: sudo run-standalone.sh usbcontrol ? | 17:07 |
| Navi | is run-standalone.sh executable? | 17:08 |
| lcuk_3 | can you automatically change the flash quality setting to low? | 17:08 |
| cyberholic | yes, i think so! | 17:08 |
| lcuk_3 | navi, check the attribute | 17:08 |
| Navi | lcuk_3, what? | 17:08 |
| lcuk_3 | it might help ive just done it and it makes the scrolling a bit smoother | 17:08 |
| lcuk_3 | check the attributes of the file | 17:08 |
| Navi | I'm not the one who needs help... | 17:09 |
| lcuk_3 | <Navi> is run-standalone.sh executable? | 17:09 |
| Navi | [09:07:33] <konttori> solmumaha: any idea why .desktop wont run when I have Exec: sudo run-standalone.sh usbcontrol ? | 17:09 |
| lcuk_3 | lol good point... | 17:09 |
| Navi | :P | 17:09 |
| lcuk_3 | konttori, have you built usbcontrol with the correct target | 17:10 |
| solmumaha | konttori: maybe full path for usbcontrol? | 17:10 |
| lcuk_3 | ie, are you trying to run a program built for x86 on your 8x0 instead of rebuilding it for ARMEL | 17:10 |
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| lcuk_3 | cyberholic, it scrolls faster on the simpler screens with low quality but the month view still kills it | 17:11 |
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| Navi | oh sweet | 17:13 |
| Navi | screen rotation :3 | 17:13 |
| Navi | http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=39 | 17:14 |
| Navi | xrandr support, yey \o/ | 17:14 |
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| lcuk_3 | i was playing with rotation last night and other bits | 17:17 |
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| lcuk_3 | nothing as clean as this | 17:17 |
| Navi | really fast and sexy | 17:17 |
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| lcuk_3 | no, i was seeing what the framebuffer would handle | 17:18 |
| cyberholic | what system is running on the screen rotation video? | 17:18 |
| * lcuk_3 is starting to understand the omapfb | 17:18 | |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, hi there | 17:18 |
| Navi | mamona | 17:18 |
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| pupnik | hi lcuk_3 what's cooking | 17:19 |
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| lcuk_3 | my sinuses mainly, or least it feels like it | 17:19 |
| Navi | pupnik, me has another tablet dream >_> | 17:19 |
| pupnik | hehe | 17:19 |
| lcuk_3 | i managed to lock up my 810 nicely yesterday :) | 17:19 |
| lcuk_3 | well, broke the screen :D | 17:19 |
| Navi | lcuk_3, | 17:20 |
| Navi | heh | 17:20 |
| zoran | broke it literaly? | 17:20 |
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| lcuk_3 | no, just changed the fb params in such a way they wouldnt reset | 17:20 |
| lcuk_3 | i was left with a 480*480 desktop | 17:20 |
| keesj | cool | 17:20 |
| Navi | There was a prize of 6,000 bucks in a race around the US | 17:21 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, was it you or lardman who has the specs for the lcd device | 17:21 |
| zoran | connect via ssh and change it | 17:21 |
| pupnik | lardman is gone for a couple of weeks | 17:21 |
| lcuk_3 | it was connecting by ssh that broke it in the first place :P | 17:21 |
| pupnik | i didn't request it | 17:21 |
| lcuk_3 | :O oh now | 17:22 |
| Navi | going to different checkpoints in different states. I planned out my route with my brother, got in my car, then jumped out running to my room screaming "MAEMO MAPPER, MAEMO MAPPER!" | 17:22 |
| lcuk_3 | where he gone | 17:22 |
| lcuk_3 | he cant have a holiday | 17:22 |
| pupnik | he said gone for xx days i forget the number | 17:22 |
| * lcuk_3 has a great dev chain working now which auto scp the exe then run it directly | 17:22 | |
| lcuk_3 | thats ok, ill suss it | 17:22 |
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| pupnik | i'm interested in your work and possible applications to sdl programs | 17:23 |
| lcuk_3 | ive been poking away at the framebuffer and between the mplayer code and the open source omapfb there seems to be something missing | 17:23 |
| lcuk_3 | yer so am i | 17:23 |
| lcuk_3 | but im not having much luck dropping the plane count down but i am starting to understand how mplayer sorts out refreshes | 17:23 |
| pupnik | cool | 17:24 |
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| K-Fox | hi | 17:24 |
| pupnik | would it be possible to implement a 400x240 8-bit mode? | 17:24 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: you can find lcd docs at http://www.erd.epson.com/ | 17:24 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: no, it is not possible | 17:25 |
| pupnik | you said that x is doing 8-16 bit 'in the background' yes? | 17:25 |
| ssvb | pupnik: well, at least it is not directly supported by hardware (it can be always software emulated though) | 17:25 |
| pupnik | ok | 17:26 |
| pupnik | did you do anything with newvox? | 17:26 |
| K-Fox | skype is supported video on n800 ? | 17:26 |
| ssvb | pupnik: not yet | 17:26 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, it should be | 17:26 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: what should be? | 17:26 |
| lcuk_3 | sdl already does an 8 bit mode and when i revert to having an sdl base i will test pushing the update (including doubling) whilst using sdl to init the mode | 17:27 |
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| Navi | K-Fox, not yet | 17:27 |
| lcuk_3 | ive got an x11 base at the moment and its a shared window so other things are jumping in - i cant lock out other processes because im not a kernel module :( | 17:27 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: 8-bit mode ends up doing rgb565 screen updates anyway | 17:28 |
| K-Fox | Navi: ok | 17:28 |
| lcuk_3 | hmmm ssvb, if you are writing only 8 bits to a chunky plane then that should be whats being sent across, or does sdl do another intermediate copy from 8bit chunky to 16bit framebuff - then onwards to the lcd | 17:29 |
| lcuk_3 | by the way, which lcd model am i looking for | 17:29 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: check http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=38&Itemid=40 | 17:29 |
| ssvb | that's the lcd controller from N800 | 17:30 |
| K-Fox | is it possible to update web browser of OS 2007(Maemo) to flash 9? | 17:30 |
| ssvb | it clearly specifies what color formats are supported | 17:30 |
| ssvb | for example we can have 32bpp color format supported (it should work fine for 400x240) | 17:31 |
| lcuk_3 | yer i got that far, and setting the flag on the refresh does cause it to update differently | 17:31 |
| Navi | K-Fox, no. | 17:31 |
| lcuk_3 | but when setting it to any of the planar formats i can still get fullcolor... | 17:32 |
| lcuk_3 | so im not setting it right | 17:32 |
| khertan | bye | 17:32 |
| lcuk_3 | but for all other color options (rgb/yuv etc) it works | 17:32 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_3: omapfb driver supports many different LCD controllers, probably you are reading the bits that are not related to internet tablets | 17:32 |
| lcuk_3 | yes i know and thats why i came here asking for specific lcd models - ill see whats avail for this one :) | 17:33 |
| K-Fox | Navi : ok~~~~ | 17:33 |
| lcuk_3 | the thing is, if i set anything outside the bounds i get failure errors with the init functions - ie invalid args into FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO) but when i try the same setting it to 1bit it doesnt fail.. | 17:35 |
| lcuk_3 | anyway, ill have a butty and a read through all this :) thanks for the pointer ssvb | 17:35 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_3: checking dmesg log helps identifying lcd type | 17:41 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_3: omapfb driver is not perfect and may have bugs :) | 17:41 |
| lcuk_3 | i know that :) ive seen a few along the way, but its helped me get a feel for how user interacts with kernel | 17:42 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: for example it did not support YUV420 color format on Nokia 770 properly (the device deadlocked) | 17:42 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: the driver on N800 had problems with 'zoomed desktop' | 17:42 |
| lcuk_3 | i have a target i am aiming for but im just browsing around at the mo pulling levers and twiddling knobs as i go | 17:42 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: what are you trying to achieve? | 17:43 |
| lcuk_3 | something that the hardware cant do based on this documentation. single bitplane monochrome graphics... | 17:44 |
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| pupnik | arghh for commander keen 4 i need to drop down to 450 cycles to get sound blaster/adlib playback | 17:45 |
| lcuk_3 | theory being - if i can send single bit planar bytes down instead of 16bits per pixel then screen update time can be reduced upto 16x... | 17:45 |
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| pupnik | true | 17:46 |
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| lcuk_3 | it appears tho i might have to close this line of enquiry (so long as this lcd documentation is correct) | 17:47 |
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| pupnik | Afaik all we have are some 12-bit yuv mode available | 17:48 |
| pupnik | And possibly this could be useful for 8 and 32-bit SDL games | 17:49 |
| lcuk_3 | yes but that still requires 16bits per pixel | 17:49 |
| lcuk_3 | you could get fast updates if you locked into greyscale and only touched every even byte of the buffer | 17:49 |
| pupnik | You have read the maemo developer list where ssvb did the framebuffer tests? | 17:49 |
| lcuk_3 | but the savings wouldnt be worth it because of byte updates being slow than short/int | 17:50 |
| pupnik | Hmm | 17:50 |
| lcuk_3 | i think so, didnt think it was ssvb | 17:50 |
| ssvb | pupnik: these test results may be outdated nowadays | 17:50 |
| lcuk_3 | if you still have the code, it might be an idea to rerun them | 17:50 |
| lcuk_3 | if the kernel got updated since then some of the fixes suggested along the way might have been put in | 17:51 |
| pupnik | ssvb: maybe you can help point lcuk_3 towards an implementation you think might be worthwhile in the sdl context | 17:51 |
| ssvb | pupnik: they were done with the first revision of N800 firmware, and some of the limitations were caused by software problems | 17:51 |
| pupnik | ok | 17:51 |
| lcuk_3 | pup, im gonna re-point myself down the sdl tree anyway - i got close to what i wanted re:fullscreen book reading, but got sidetracked with the 1bit updates. i may rebuild where i left off and follow the sdl code down and see if anything glares out at me | 17:53 |
| pupnik | One idea i had which would require a lot of rewriting per-app would be to translate all graphics to rgb565 on load, using the low bit of the green as an alpha mask | 17:53 |
| ssvb | hmm, it is interesting, they list RGB332 in the product brief | 17:53 |
| pupnik | But the amount of work there is extremely high. | 17:53 |
| ssvb | but I don't see how to activate this mode in the documentation | 17:54 |
| pupnik | the DOS game Magic carpet used RGB 332 i think | 17:54 |
| lcuk_3 | in the spec 1.02 they say rgb(8:8:8 6:6:6 5:6:5) or YUV(4:2:2 4:2:0) | 17:54 |
| pupnik | An rgb 888 mode at 400x240 might speed up sdl games that want 24/32 bit | 17:55 |
| lcuk_3 | the yuv modes however (from omapfb side) are all marked as 16bit | 17:55 |
| lcuk_3 | i think im gonna print this lot off and go see what i can digest | 17:56 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_3: that's why I find it confusing, 'product brief' mentions rgb332 and 'spec' does not, maybe it is worth writing to Epson support and try to clarify this information | 17:57 |
| wald0 | i have connected my USB keyboard to a alimented hub, and it to my n800 with chinook... but the keyboard not works, any tip ? | 17:57 |
| lcuk_3 | wald0 there is a usb mode setting you need to make somewhere i think | 17:58 |
| jott | • section 3.3 Input Data Formats - delete RGB 3:3:2 from first bullet | 17:58 |
| jott | hm | 17:58 |
| jott | (from the spec) | 17:58 |
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| lcuk_3 | good old change logs | 17:59 |
| lcuk_3 | well spotted jott | 17:59 |
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| jott | but who know what the "reserved" input formats are ;) | 17:59 |
| ssvb | jott: aha, thank you, so they just forgot to update the 'product brief' | 18:00 |
| jott | seems so, yes | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hrm, any of you have tried creative wifi/usb/ethernet ways to lets say, throw streaming/display from a n800 on to a TV? | 18:01 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: btw, yuv420 is 12bpp mode (with quite a weird layout) | 18:01 |
| lcuk_3 | im beginning to think we should be treating this framebuffer like the powervr - dont assume we know all its features and just see what we can make it do | 18:01 |
| lcuk_3 | Stskeeps, x11vnc | 18:02 |
| lcuk_3 | not quite onto a tv but big monitor | 18:02 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: but we have full documentation and open source driver, it is definitely fixable | 18:02 |
| lcuk_3 | yes i know its fixable | 18:02 |
| lcuk_3 | if somebody originally thought the device had an 8bit update mode then it might actually still be buried in there | 18:03 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: at least a patch to fix yuv420 support on 770 exists: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=881&group_id=164&atid=683 | 18:04 |
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| dev | Stskeeps: stream what to a tv? I stream music from the n800 | 18:10 |
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| seraph1 | mankod, hi | 18:11 |
| mankod | seraph1, hello :) | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | dev: in this instance a combination of RTP streams and current display on the device :P | 18:12 |
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| dev | Stskeeps: ah ok, that's something different | 18:13 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: here is some information about yuv420 framebuffer layout: http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/omapfb.txt | 18:13 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: if you you have some questions about using omapfb, you can ask me and I'll try to share the information I know | 18:16 |
| wald0 | lcuk_3: i have set the "developer mode" or something similar in the boot stuff... if you mean this mode | 18:16 |
| lcuk_3 | thanks ss :) im just looking at it all now | 18:16 |
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| lcuk_3 | that little text file corrosponds with the strangeness i saw last night... | 18:17 |
| lcuk_3 | wald0 for usb host mode there is a flag, hang on ill find it. it works for 810, not sure about for 800 though. ill find a link | 18:20 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: if you have enough free time and motivation, I suggest trying to add support for RGB color formats to Xv extension | 18:20 |
| lcuk_3 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 | 18:21 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: this way we can get arbitrary scaling support and set video modes such as 320x200 for example :) | 18:21 |
| lcuk_3 | ssvb, i am only just starting to poke around with the framebuffer, but will be glad to feed back any of my results as and when i get them :) | 18:22 |
| ssvb | :) | 18:22 |
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| lcuk_3 | at this point am i right in thinking the actual framebuffer is same hardware for 800 and 810 | 18:23 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_3: I don't have 810 yet, but my guess is that they are identical in this respect | 18:24 |
| lcuk_3 | good because im gonna pick up an 800 asap and dont wanna duplicate everything | 18:25 |
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| lcuk_3 | tho i fell in love iwth 810 for its keyboard now i have it i dont use it half as much as i thought i would | 18:25 |
| lcuk_3 | and infact have just bought an apple wireless board for it | 18:26 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: framebuffer is an area in the system memory, and the data gets transmitted to the real video memory via DMA on screen update ioctl | 18:26 |
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| lcuk_3 | yer i know and setting a flag on the update ioctl call tells it what format data andwhere it should go | 18:27 |
| * lcuk_3 has been heavily playing there the last couple of days | 18:27 | |
| lcuk_3 | i was getting a bit frustrated with the var and plane calls (which appear to have been ripped out of mplayer trunk code) | 18:28 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: I found video planes a bit complicated and not very useless | 18:29 |
| ssvb | s/useless/useful | 18:30 |
| ssvb | it is much safer to use a 'stateless' API, so that you don't screw up the system if something gets wrong and mplayer crashes for example | 18:31 |
| lcuk_3 | yes, i tried following it down the line creating and enabling a plane in the correct format and sending that but it wasnt as fruitful as just setting the update mode flag | 18:31 |
| lcuk_3 | yesi noticed that, hence me being left with a 480x480 display... | 18:31 |
| lcuk_3 | i got rotation working at one point tho | 18:32 |
| ssvb | you can enable a video plane and forget to disable it later, the desktop will be overlapped by it | 18:32 |
| lcuk_3 | yer because the driver thinks its still needed | 18:33 |
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| Navi | Are you pondering what I'm pondering? | 18:39 |
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| Proteous | I think so Navi, but where are we going to find rubber pants our size? | 18:43 |
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| pupnik | hehe | 18:44 |
| lcuk_3 | in understand the need for rubber pants, but what on earth is the traffic cone for? | 18:44 |
| Navi | No Proteous, it's time to take over the world! | 18:45 |
| * Navi hums the pinky and the brain theme song | 18:45 | |
| Proteous | one is a genius ^-- the other's insane <-- | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | oprofile saved me from wasting time on stuff at least | 19:07 |
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| lcuk_3 | how do i kill named processes and can i do it with ssh | 19:23 |
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| lcuk_3 | nm: killall [name] | 19:27 |
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| n800music | is opera better than mozilla? | 19:53 |
| lcuk_3 | dunno | 19:53 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, are you still around | 19:54 |
| n800music | what's faster? | 19:54 |
| lcuk_3 | ive only used the one on 810 so dont know | 19:54 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik (or anyone else) if i run an SDL program via ssh it fails "No available video device". however if i have putty up and run the command there it runs. any idea how i can get it running? | 19:56 |
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| lcuk_3 | other programs (not using sdl) run and initialise and the same program runs - its not a connection problem. its just not finding the graphics screen | 19:57 |
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| pupnik | lcuk_3: still there? | 20:03 |
| lcuk_3 | yer | 20:03 |
| pupnik | lcuk_3: running sdl programs from a ssh term on the device works | 20:03 |
| lcuk_3 | still got problem as well | 20:03 |
| pupnik | su to 'user' | 20:03 |
| lcuk_3 | im not sure i know what you mean. ive got the following: putty terminal: if i execute command there it runs. ive also got a line in my testdeply.sh script which is: ssh root@10.0.0.2 /usr/bin/liq/testprog | 20:05 |
| lcuk_3 | are you saying i should su or sudo the call here | 20:06 |
| lcuk_3 | ssh root@10.0.0.2 sudo /usr/bin/liq/testprog | 20:06 |
| lcuk_3 | ? | 20:06 |
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| lcdd | was there ever any followup on the issue of sounds being quiet and distorted when using gstreamer? | 20:17 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, i think i get what you meant, should the following do what you mean and connect me to the user account? ssh user@10.0.0.2 /usr/bin/liq/testprog | 20:19 |
| lcuk_3 | or does that start a new session as user but not actually connect to existing user session | 20:19 |
| GAN800 | Use screen? | 20:20 |
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| lcuk_3 | but im not running a full console session. its only a single remote command i am doing | 20:22 |
| pupnik | lcuk_3: for testing i keep a shell open on the tablet | 20:25 |
| pupnik | and run any program I want | 20:25 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: check DISPLAY environment variable | 20:25 |
| pupnik | i also share my dev tree on the scratchbox via nfs | 20:25 |
| GAN800 | ssh spawns a new session, so if you want the same one for local and remote, you'd need screen. | 20:26 |
| pupnik | so the tablet can run things directly from the scratchbox directory | 20:26 |
| lcuk_3 | i have made a script inside my vmware box which when run will: run make. if it runs without error will copy the executable over to 810 vis scp. execute 810 using ssh. | 20:26 |
| lcuk_3 | it has worked for everything apart from this sdl code | 20:27 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: try to run it as 'DISPLAY=:0.0 ./your_sdl_program' | 20:27 |
| lcuk_3 | ok ss, will try | 20:27 |
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| lcuk_3 | ssvb, thanks :) that worked | 20:31 |
| lcuk_3 | is that because the ssh session uses its own virtual display? | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | re | 20:31 |
| ssvb | lcuk_3: maybe it was trying to use xserver on your desktop pc for output, you can try 'echo $DISPLAY' to check what it is set to | 20:33 |
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| lcuk_3 | it comes out as :0.0 when run via my windows box, but from deep within vmware its 127.0.0.1:2 | 20:37 |
| lcuk_3 | it works now with the alteration so thanks | 20:37 |
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| Navi | OH yeah, that's what I was going to do. | 20:39 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_3: you are welcome, I'm glad that my advice was useful | 20:40 |
| TheFool | can anyone post a link to the instructions on using a 770 in host mode? I can't seem to find them through google anymore just keep getting n800 specific stuff | 20:41 |
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| Navi | google with -n800 | 20:48 |
| Navi | actually | 20:48 |
| Navi | I found it pretty easy | 20:48 |
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| Navi | First try with "I'm feeling lucky" >_> | 20:49 |
| Navi | http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm | 20:49 |
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| pupnik | i wish install-from-file would also install dependencies | 21:07 |
| pupnik | hey solmumaha thanks for the wz packaging... it's helping me a lot | 21:08 |
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| pupnik | wb GeneralaAntilles | 21:08 |
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| GAN800 | Thanks | 21:09 |
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| TheFool | Navi: lol thanks | 21:15 |
| TheFool | Navi: What exactly did you search for? | 21:15 |
| Navi | Nokia 770 USB Host Mode | 21:16 |
| TheFool | Navi: darn lol some of the links on that site are dead, but I will keep looking. I overcomplicated my google query... | 21:17 |
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| TheFool | so basically I reflash with a --enable-usb-host-mode tag and then make a pretty simple circuit...Well since I am reflashing anyway might as well look up how to install to the mmc card... | 21:21 |
| TheFool | thanks for the help | 21:21 |
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| BTobotras | Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) | 21:48 |
| BTobotras | Rings a bell, anybody? :) | 21:48 |
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| jku | BTobotras, what do you mean -- that's the standard D-Bus timeout message? | 21:52 |
| BTobotras | jku: probably, but why? :) | 21:53 |
| jku | could be any reason, depends on context | 21:53 |
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| BTobotras | jku: well, I'm accessing EDS from maemo app. Works fine in scratchbox x86, fails on the device. Oh, in scratchmox/armel it also fails. That helps. | 21:57 |
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| jku | I've had serious dbus problems in qemu, not sure if it's supposed to work | 21:58 |
| jku | Although haven't tried in chinook, so it could be better | 21:58 |
| BTobotras | D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid | 21:59 |
| BTobotras | sounds simple :) | 21:59 |
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| * pupnik haet packaging | 22:00 | |
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| Navi | Damn | 22:00 |
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| BTobotras | It even have been described in chinook documentation :) | 22:01 |
| * BTobotras beats his head by the keyboard | 22:01 | |
| Navi | I want to run E17, but it seems the best out of the IT line to run that is the N810 for the keyboard | 22:01 |
| Navi | Damned keyboard | 22:01 |
| * Navi shakes his fist at it | 22:01 | |
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| Hrw | hi | 22:02 |
| Navi | Hi | 22:02 |
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| jku | cheers hrw | 22:02 |
| Hrw | hi jussi | 22:02 |
| Navi | I wonder... | 22:03 |
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| Hrw | jku: seen my recent maemo post? | 22:03 |
| EruditeHermit | hi, is there a page for how to setup scratchbox on debian? | 22:03 |
| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: sure, it's in INSTALL.txt | 22:03 |
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| EruditeHermit | BTobotras: where is that? | 22:03 |
| jku | Hrw, just read it | 22:04 |
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| Hrw | hmm will have to write how to use OE for maemo one day | 22:04 |
| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: see http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html | 22:04 |
| BTobotras | OE? | 22:04 |
| jku | Hrw, absolutely | 22:04 |
| EruditeHermit | thanks | 22:04 |
| Hrw | jku: i wonder how near true i was in post :) | 22:04 |
| jku | BTobotras, http://www.openembedded.org/ | 22:04 |
| Hrw | ~oe | 22:05 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, oe is OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ), or an email client which is not to be spoken of. | 22:05 |
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| BTobotras | jku: I see | 22:06 |
| Hrw | btobotras: oe do whole crosscompilation without messing with crapbox or qemu | 22:06 |
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| jku | BTobotras, I guess you could call OE a "standard" way to do cross-compilation/packaging -- at least compared to maemo | 22:07 |
| Hrw | what suprise me is lot of unsupported syscalls in maemo logs recently | 22:07 |
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| Hrw | maemo 4 use nptl but qemu do not know it on arm (by default) | 22:08 |
| BTobotras | jku: sounds good | 22:08 |
| jku | Hrw, it is weird that there is no "messaging subsystem/API" | 22:08 |
| Hrw | Jku: it is not weird. its nokish | 22:08 |
| Hrw | If something can be made wrong they will try it | 22:09 |
| jku | give them some slack -- it's not like others have succesfully solved that problem. limited resources and alll that | 22:09 |
| Hrw | NOLO update for "power on drama" is ready but cannot be released yet | 22:10 |
| EruditeHermit | BTobotras: is there a page for how to build packages using scratchbox? | 22:10 |
| jku | starting with jabber is a pretty good first step | 22:10 |
| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: yep. The same place :) | 22:11 |
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| * BTobotras installed scratchbox today, and has a more-or-less working "hello, world" already | 22:11 | |
| Hrw | how helloworld can be moreorless working? | 22:11 |
| jku | touche | 22:12 |
| Hrw | it works or not | 22:12 |
| Hrw | but maybe scratchbox adds third option.. never tried that | 22:13 |
| Hrw | friends already told me enough about it to not make me try it | 22:14 |
| BTobotras | Hrw: well, this helloworld fails to connect to e-d-s proxy to fetch addressbook; haven't a clue on right way to update progress bar in HildonBanner; somewhere misses right Gtk+ packing discipline etc. | 22:14 |
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| Hrw | lot of things in helloworld app | 22:15 |
| jku | your hello world is bloated :) | 22:15 |
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| BTobotras | It surely is :) | 22:15 |
| pupnik | app isn't starting. .desktop has a X-Osso-Service entry... | 22:16 |
| jku | ooh, Clutter on Moblin: http://www.clutter-project.org/blog/?p=44 Launcher like that must be useless in everyday use but it does make the UI look _really_ cool | 22:18 |
| Hrw | btobotras: does it fetch owner name from addressbook (progressbar on it) + window with "hello world, here is FULLNAMEOFOWNER"? | 22:18 |
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| Hrw | jku: clutter can do lot of nuce things... too bad that tablets lack 3D accel.. | 22:19 |
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| jku | yeah | 22:19 |
| Hrw | but thats expected. nokia legal department (80% of company) will never allow to release such stuff if it exist at all | 22:20 |
| BTobotras | Hrw: Well, I can fetch everything from addressbook in scratchbox/x86, but nowhere else :) | 22:21 |
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| BTobotras | GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -24 and height 0 also makes me angry | 22:23 |
| Jaffa | jku: I dunno, that launcher looks more useful than OS2008's app menu if you've got more than 36 apps | 22:24 |
| jku | Jaffa, you may be right :) | 22:25 |
| jku | although I have to admit I like the menu -- I probably just haven't hit the limit | 22:25 |
| Hrw | i do not like os2008 menus | 22:28 |
| Hrw | but there is no option to back to old ones | 22:28 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: there? | 22:30 |
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| Hrw | ~curse crap called appmanager | 22:41 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, crap called appmanager ! | 22:41 |
| Hrw | ~hail apt-get | 22:42 |
| * infobot bows down to apt-get and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 22:42 | |
| Hrw | :) | 22:42 |
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| pupnik | elb: jott: check out Butler Schaffer's interview with Scott Horton: http://pupnik.de/07_04_13_shaffer.mp3 On the nature of state, empire and democracy. | 22:47 |
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| pupnik | why doesn't my *!#@$* icon launch my sdl app | 22:52 |
| EruditeHermit | BTobotras: oh that link installed scratchbox1, how do I get sbox2? | 22:53 |
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| EruditeHermit | BTobotras: and what is the difference/ | 22:54 |
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| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: erhm. No idea, what does sbox1/2 mean. There is scratchbox r4, and there is a ready to use script to download and install correct version of scratchbox. What did you use? | 22:54 |
| EruditeHermit | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh | 22:55 |
| Navi | pupnik, it hates you | 22:55 |
| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: "Installing Scratchbox using the installer script" -- you did read that, right? | 22:55 |
| EruditeHermit | yeah I have it installed | 22:55 |
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| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: exactly! Now enjoy :) | 22:55 |
| EruditeHermit | but I read somewhere that there was scratchbox2 out | 22:55 |
| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: what is sbox1/sbox2? | 22:55 |
| EruditeHermit | and that scratchbox 1 is obsoleted | 22:55 |
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| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: version you just installed is r4, if this makes you happy :-P | 22:56 |
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| EruditeHermit | it says its 1.0.8 Apophis | 22:56 |
| Navi | EruditeHermit, you're right. | 22:56 |
| BTobotras | EruditeHermit: ah, I see | 22:56 |
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| Navi | Maemo SDK+ is either alpha or beta, I forget | 22:56 |
| Navi | That uses SBox2 | 22:56 |
| EruditeHermit | Navi: is that better? | 22:57 |
| Navi | I couldn't say. | 22:57 |
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| Navi | s/couldn't/can't | 22:57 |
| BTobotras | Navi: what's the diff betweek SDK and SDK+? | 22:58 |
| Navi | SDK+ is built around SBox2 instead of SBox1 | 22:58 |
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| Navi | The difference between SDK+ and SDK is the difference between Scratchbox 1 and Scratchbox 2 | 22:59 |
| BTobotras | Navi: and that's it? What's in it for the developer then? | 23:00 |
| Navi | Exactly what Scratchbox 2 offers. | 23:00 |
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| Hrw | see you guys | 23:02 |
| * BTobotras have read what's new in sbox2 and missed the point | 23:02 | |
| Navi | From what I can read | 23:03 |
| Navi | s/I can/I've/ | 23:03 |
| infobot | Navi meant: From what I've read | 23:03 |
| guardian | oh nose ! the mamona site is down :D | 23:03 |
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| BTobotras | "the developer is no longer forced to program in closed environment" | 23:03 |
| * BTobotras shrugs | 23:03 | |
| Navi | it sounds like sbox2 uses the libraries installed on your system rather than | 23:03 |
| Navi | having to have the libraries installed from within sbox | 23:04 |
| BTobotras | Navi: yes, but my x86 system doesn't carry arm libraries anyway. So I have to have cross tools in either case... | 23:04 |
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| BTobotras | Well, I'll check that again when my developer's experience will grow beyond first day :^) | 23:05 |
| Navi | :3 | 23:13 |
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| pH5 | has anybody found a binary driver for powervr for some omap2420 device until now? (n95 comes to mind, if it is possible to extract system files from that) | 23:20 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, did you get your icon launching it? (sounds like the frustration i had earlier) | 23:21 |
| EruditeHermit | Navi: once you have debian arm packages, is it trivial to compile maemo packages from them? | 23:21 |
| pH5 | even if the pvr.ko from the omap2430 sdk turns out to be theoretically able to drive the omap2420's mbx too, there are some values hardcoded for the mbx lite in it. | 23:21 |
| Navi | I gotta go, sorry | 23:21 |
| lcuk_3 | ph5, do nokia release firmware updates for n95 like they do for 8x0? | 23:22 |
| pupnik | testing it lcuk_3 | 23:22 |
| pupnik | yeah it works, i had to move the .desktop from /usr/share/applications/hildon to /usr/share/applications | 23:23 |
| lcuk_3 | glad its working now :) | 23:24 |
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| pH5 | lcuk_3: I think so, but you need a n95 product code to dl them from nokia at least | 23:30 |
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| lcuk_3 | maybe, i just spotted a site with a big list of codes for various countries, the thing i see as different is that for n95 they *arent* offering the linux .bin file download and expect users to ONLY use the automatic windows updater | 23:32 |
| lcuk_3 | ie, you cannot get the file until the updater think you have an n95 plugged in and that its out of date | 23:32 |
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| maddler | hmmm... new rtcomm bet is out... | 23:35 |
| pupnik | i need to hack xmms to allow me to delete the currently playing song with a special keyboard key | 23:35 |
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| * maddler wonders what's new in this release... | 23:36 | |
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| pupnik | alright | 23:47 |
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| pupnik | who wants to test new dosbox for OS2008? fixed the keyboard issue for N810... http://pupnik.de/chinook/dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb | 23:48 |
| raboof | i'm looking for a hackable phone. looks like maemo doesn't run on phones, and openmoko is not there yet both hard- and software-wise | 23:49 |
| raboof | any alternatives? | 23:49 |
| pupnik | get a cheap/free phone and a N810 | 23:50 |
| raboof | ;) | 23:50 |
| elb | heh | 23:50 |
| elb | yeah, "hackable phone" is pretty much a non-starter | 23:50 |
| pupnik | i wonder if i could just put "apt-get install libSDL-net" into my postinst script | 23:51 |
| raboof | well, openmoko looks good, except that it'll take them a while before they have stuff like battery life an making actual phonecalls in a usable state :) | 23:52 |
| pH5 | pupnik: don't do that, it's evil :) | 23:52 |
| pupnik | pH5: ok. well if a noob clicks on my .deb it will refuse to install since they don't have libsdl-net | 23:53 |
| pupnik | i could be more evil and bundle the library with the package | 23:53 |
| pH5 | pupnik: but that's what package dependencies are for. | 23:53 |
| raboof | add the lib as a dependency and fix whatever application handles 'a user clicking on a deb' to support them? :) | 23:54 |
| pupnik | well then app manager should go and hunt for dependencies when user chooses to "install from file" or install from a webpage | 23:54 |
| pupnik | raboof: sure, that's what i am suggesting. have maemo "application-manager" resolve and install dependencies when installing from a file | 23:54 |
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