IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-02-04

braddbr	anyone know if theres a .bmp editor for os2008?	00:00
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Esworp	Screw it. I'm reflashing. Dammit.	00:01
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acydlord	braddbr, tux paint?	00:13
braddbr	ok, i'll give it a shot.. thank you	00:13
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lcdd	maybe one in five of the feeds i'd like to subscribe to work at all in the os2008 rss reader	00:13
lcdd	are there any better?	00:14
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daveu2	So I tried ripping a dvd to avi and playing it on my n810, but I get 1fps.	00:22
daveu2	Should I transcode to ogg/mpeg instead? Should I try encoding at lower quality?	00:23
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cesman	daveu2: what is it you are using to transcode?	00:24
\|tbb\|	hi together	00:24
daveu2	mplayer using dvd::rip	00:25
cesman	there is a program specifically for transcoding so it is easy to playback on the IT	00:25
cesman	dvd::rip using transcode	00:25
daveu2	Really? Which program?	00:25
cesman	but I digress	00:25
daveu2	Are there instructions somewhere?	00:25
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cesman	http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/transcoding_how-to.html	00:26
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cesman	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding	00:27
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\|tbb\|	anyone knows if the wlan adapter of the tablets going to power save mode while doing an adhoc connection?	00:28
GeneralAntilles	Try http://mediautils.garage.maem.org for on-demand.	00:29
GeneralAntilles	http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/	00:29
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Blafasel	There's not a nice way to play audio via the network, the host is windows?	00:34
cesman	Blafasel: install a upnp server on Windows	00:35
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cesman	http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/download/	00:35
lcdd	hnngh. the rss reader doesn't handle Content-Encoding: gzip	00:36
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Blafasel	cesman: And which player on the maemo side supports that?	00:36
lcdd	looks like I need to figure out how to set up a deflating proxy	00:37
cesman	Blafasel: mediastreamer	00:37
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Blafasel	Thanks a lot, will give it a try	00:47
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acydlord	canola does a decent job of playing over the network as well	01:02
acydlord	as does webot	01:02
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Alendit	i've got mokopedia working on my n800 ^^	01:06
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Super_Cas	hi	01:07
Alendit	hi, super_cas	01:08
Super_Cas	ok n800 or archos 605	01:08
Super_Cas	can n800 go to stage6.com	01:08
shackan	no	01:09
shackan	I've never tried actually	01:09
Alendit	well, yes ;)	01:09
shackan	it does?	01:09
Alendit	but i don't think you can watch movies online	01:09
shackan	well, DUH	01:09
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Alendit	you should download them and run mplayer or something like that	01:09
shackan	Alendit: well, most of stage6 is HD, and the rest is fullscreen quality	01:10
shackan	you're NEVER going to get decent playback on the tablet	01:10
acydlord	i've tried stage6 on the n800, doesnt work	01:10
Alendit	never tried, but i think use could with -fast option	01:11
acydlord	you'd need to add gstreamer-divx	01:11
Alendit	i watched house streamed with vlc after it was dl'ed from stage6	01:11
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fysa	mplayer is 2343242 faster than gstreamer bullshit	01:15
Alendit	^^	01:15
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fysa	I regularly watch standard DVD rips without reencoding using mplayer.	01:16
Alendit	ca. 2343242 times faste ;)	01:16
fysa	as long as you play from the SD card and not try to stream -- the TCP/IP load is just enough to cause skipping in video.	01:16
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fysa	i.e., Ratatouille, the two disc XVID (~600mb .avi x2) works perfectly.	01:18
fysa	not that I know about such things. ;)	01:18
LinuxCode	fysa, on the n810 ?	01:19
fysa	N800	01:19
fysa	with OS2008	01:19
LinuxCode	neat	01:19
fysa	it was absolutely gorgeous at the dpi of this screen.	01:19
LinuxCode	ok moonlander sucks	01:19
LinuxCode	if you dont edit the keymap	01:19
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Alendit	n800 is just as fast as n810, isn't it?	01:21
nomis	Alendit: no	01:21
Alendit	?	01:21
Alendit	sure?	01:21
nomis	!	01:21
fysa	yes	01:22
nomis	ah sorry.	01:22
Alendit	link plz	01:22
nomis	For some reason I read "just as fat as..."	01:22
_collin_	n8	01:22
fysa	:)	01:22
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Alendit	^^	01:22
fysa	link to?	01:23
Alendit	link to info that n800 is slower than n810	01:24
nomis	Alendit: it isn't, ignore me :)	01:24
LinuxCode	tuxpuck = shufflepuck	01:24
LinuxCode	its too hard though	01:24
LinuxCode	lol	01:24
Alendit	j0, i know, it wasa funny	01:24
Alendit	*was	01:24
Alendit	anyone got 1gb free space and want to test wikipedia on n800?	01:25
Alendit	or n810	01:25
Alendit	?	01:25
Alendit	offline wikipedia = mokopedia	01:25
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LinuxCode	does the n800 have IR ?	01:28
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cesman	no, it doesn't	01:28
LinuxCode	theres a ir remote here	01:28
lcuk_2	LinuxCode, moonlander prefs - with the onboard i couldnt find the keymap, where is it	01:28
LinuxCode	odd	01:28
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, its tells you in the app	01:28
LinuxCode	~/.moonlander or so	01:29
LinuxCode	cant recall	01:29
LinuxCode	I had to reboot	01:29
LinuxCode	;-p	01:29
lcuk_2	i looked but couldnt see it	01:29
LinuxCode	couldnt esc	01:29
* lcuk_2 is blind		01:29
lcuk_2	fullscreen button works nicely	01:29
LinuxCode	white print bottom screen	01:29
LinuxCode	2/3rd down	01:29
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LinuxCode	lcuk_2, it does ?	01:29
LinuxCode	on the N810 ?	01:29
lcuk_2	oh crap yer i think so - quake just started at full volume	01:30
lcuk_2	the missus isnt happy!	01:30
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kohlenmunk	maemo	01:31
lcuk_2	LinuxCode, yer, escape quits (lower button on front left pad ;) )	01:31
kohlenmunk	maemo	01:32
LinuxCode	didnt here	01:32
LinuxCode	odd	01:32
kohlenmunk	maemo	01:32
* LinuxCode tries again		01:32
kohlenmunk	maemo	01:32
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, didnt ou say the new fbreader was borked ?	01:32
lcuk_2	yes but it got updated	01:32
LinuxCode	ahh ok	01:32
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kohlenmunk	maemo	01:32
LinuxCode	I updated it works	01:32
LinuxCode	so I wondered	01:32
LinuxCode	kohlenmunk, shut up!	01:32
LinuxCode	jesus	01:32
lcuk_2	it now works nicely going forewards on my big books	01:32
kohlenmunk	mamo	01:33
kohlenmunk	poor Linuxcode	01:33
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lcuk_2	backwards is a bit sluggish now	01:33
lcuk_2	but not enough to file a bug report, i cant be sure it was like that before	01:33
LinuxCode	hehe	01:33
LinuxCode	seems ok ish here	01:33
kohlenmunk	poor LinuxCode	01:33
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lcuk_2	linuxcode: http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=74	01:35
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, it wont let me get out mate	01:35
LinuxCode	moonlander	01:35
LinuxCode	menu key mate ?	01:36
kohlenmunk	why	01:36
lcuk_2	it just let me out a few seconds ago	01:36
LinuxCode	full screen key dont work	01:36
kohlenmunk	why	01:36
lcuk_2	escape key	01:36
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lcuk_2	left hand side	01:36
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kohlenmunk	why	01:36
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, am I blond ?	01:36
LinuxCode	where is the esc key lol	01:36
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lcuk_2	there are only 2 fudgin buttons on the left hand side, press each one and try ;)	01:37
kohlenmunk	WHY	01:37
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, I am lol	01:37
LinuxCode	this thing hates me	01:37
kohlenmunk	WHY	01:37
lcuk_2	lol you broked it	01:38
kohlenmunk	WHY	01:38
kohlenmunk	WHY	01:38
LinuxCode	can somebody remove kohlenmunk ?	01:39
kohlenmunk	WHY	01:39
kohlenmunk	poor LinuxCode	01:39
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Niacin	does the n770 have a built in serial port?	01:39
Niacin	like inside? or through expansion?	01:39
LinuxCode	Niacin, no	01:39
LinuxCode	usb	01:39
LinuxCode	ohh 770	01:39
LinuxCode	not sure	01:39
LinuxCode	the n810 doesnt	01:39
kohlenmunk	poor LinuxCode	01:39
Niacin	;\ has anyone broken it open and checked?	01:40
kohlenmunk	poor LinuxCode	01:40
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, are you on the N800 and you have got an esc key ?	01:40
kohlenmunk	poor LinuxCode	01:40
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johnx	LinuxCode, it's the curly arrow on the left	01:40
kohlenmunk	poor LinuxCode	01:40
johnx	if it doesn't work with a tap hold it down	01:41
LinuxCode	the yen sign ?	01:41
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lcuk_2	no, on 810 and i have a brightness sensor, a camera eye, then a home button and finally an escape key	01:41
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johnx	LinuxCode, you're on an N800, right?	01:41
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LinuxCode	omg	01:41
LinuxCode	theres keys!	01:41
LinuxCode	loool	01:41
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:41
LinuxCode	wtf	01:41
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:41
LinuxCode	the manual didnt mention them	01:41
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:42
LinuxCode	ok so the bottom thing is the esc key ?	01:42
lcuk_2	but you needed one of them to update your flash when you first got it...	01:42
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:42
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elb	hah that is ESC	01:42
elb	nice	01:42
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:42
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:42
elb	or at least, osso-xterm treats it as ESC	01:42
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
lcuk_2	yes	01:43
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
elb	which is good enough for me ;-)	01:43
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
lcuk_2	i use it to exit quake	01:43
johnx	LinuxCode, ok from top to bottom: curly arrow = escape, menu = menu, and home = home	01:43
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
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kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:43
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:44
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:44
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:44
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lcuk_2	am i just being totally thick or does ASCII stop way 273?	01:45
lcuk_2	way before 273	01:45
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:45
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:45
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:45
kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:45
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kohlenmunk	POOR LINUXCODE	01:45
LinuxCode	denny, appreciate it	01:45
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denny	hush.	01:45
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LinuxCode	thanks	01:45
denny	eww, sucky banmask	01:46
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LinuxCode	denny, hehe	01:46
elb	thank you, denny	01:46
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lcuk_2	the troll was right tho, it is linuxcode who didnt know about buttons	01:46
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, so the bottom key is esc ?	01:47
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, bahaha	01:47
lcuk_2	yes	01:47
LinuxCode	whats the top key ?	01:47
lcuk_2	system menu	01:47
LinuxCode	ahhh	01:47
lcuk_2	hold it down for a couple of seconds and all programs will be minimised	01:47
LinuxCode	and then id assume the bottom left key is menu ?	01:47
johnx	LinuxCode, you're on an N800, right?	01:47
lcuk_2	quick tap just opens it	01:47
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LinuxCode	johnx, N810 mate	01:47
johnx	aaah	01:47
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elb	LinuxCode: the key with the same icon as the title bar is menu, yeah	01:48
LinuxCode	sweet	01:48
LinuxCode	Im sure it didnt mention them in the manual they give you	01:48
elb	I trust you noticed the fullscreen and +/- buttons ;-)	01:48
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LinuxCode	or im blind	01:48
LinuxCode	elb, course	01:48
elb	the manual doesn't mention a lot of things	01:48
LinuxCode	hence I thought lcuk_2 was taking the piss haha	01:49
LinuxCode	;-D	01:49
lcuk_2	i almost backed out of this when i saw how few buttons were on the front - i liked the front of the 800 but was desperate for the keyboard	01:49
elb	it's pretty clearly still a hacker's device	01:49
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, I love the keybaord	01:49
LinuxCode	elb, I kinda agree	01:49
LinuxCode	but it does all I wanted	01:49
LinuxCode	and more is still happeneing	01:49
lcuk_2	its good for some things, but i am getting a bluetooth one in (17) days	01:49
LinuxCode	as long as amsn, xchat, fbreader etc.. work	01:49
elb	oh, yeah, if you're willing ot futz with it, it's an amazingly powerful idea	01:49
elb	but the documentation is thin, and a lot of things don't quite Just Work	01:50
LinuxCode	and I can get my email	01:50
LinuxCode	theres still problems I need to sort	01:50
LinuxCode	like syncing with gpesyncd	01:50
LinuxCode	dunno why it wont sync atm	01:50
LinuxCode	it appeared to do it once	01:50
elb	lcuk_2: I've been trying to decide if a bluetooth keyboard would mean I could not carry a laptop some significant percentage of the time	01:50
elb	I think with a better terminal application, it would	01:50
LinuxCode	elb, I want bash!	01:51
elb	LinuxCode: so install bash	01:51
LinuxCode	this ash non-sense	01:51
LinuxCode	elb, true could do	01:51
lcuk_2	the tiny keyboard is perfect for day to day and entering web addresses etc is ok and maybe a few quick mails, but for coding i need a main board	01:51
elb	it's in maemo hackers or maemo extras or one of those	01:51
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, true	01:51
LinuxCode	for me its mainly a ssh device	01:51
LinuxCode	if something goes wrong on a server	01:51
LinuxCode	and I need to organise	01:52
LinuxCode	which is why I must get gpesyncd sorted ;-\|	01:52
LinuxCode	non of you fellas happen to use it ?	01:52
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lcuk_2	ours is a jack of all trades, from games to dev to chatting to music to movies and its also now our remote control (ive ditched our infra-red one and hacked a TCP pad together	01:53
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, haha	01:53
lcuk_2	i havent configured mail - i use gmail	01:53
LinuxCode	k	01:53
LinuxCode	a little warning	01:53
LinuxCode	if you, by chance, like me have 6000 messages in your inbox	01:53
LinuxCode	N810 != good	01:53
LinuxCode	lol	01:53
LinuxCode	but theres an option to only get the last 10 messages	01:53
dphil9000	Gmail pop or imap work well	01:54
elb	LinuxCode: there are several other mail clients which you might find handle that better	01:54
LinuxCode	I need to find out how to kill the email	01:54
elb	claws, modest, etc.	01:54
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LinuxCode	elb, yes I need to experiment	01:54
johnx	LinuxCode, seriously stay away from the built-in email app	01:54
Alendit	i need testers	01:54
LinuxCode	I have them installed ..problem is I require certificates	01:54
LinuxCode	;-\|	01:54
LinuxCode	I cant get the damn certs to work	01:55
LinuxCode	johnx, I figured that bit	01:55
LinuxCode	still need to test more	01:55
johnx	Alendit, what would I be testing?	01:55
lcuk_2	its no wonder linuxcode, to get the certs to work you have to hold down the esc key	01:55
LinuxCode	I need to figure how to flash my device to the latest OS2008 build	01:55
Alendit	portable wikipedia	01:55
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, you kidding ?	01:55
lcuk_2	yes	01:55
LinuxCode	hahah	01:55
* LinuxCode smacks lcuk_2		01:55
Alendit	1gb big image that contain whole german wikipedia	01:55
LinuxCode	;-D	01:55
elb	LinuxCode: you can install your CA certificate for the system, that might do the job	01:55
Alendit	or 3,2gb image with english	01:56
LinuxCode	elb, already did mate	01:56
elb	that's in the control panel, I think	01:56
lcuk_2	ah alen, its just gone from being w00000t to "oh" - im english so i cant test	01:56
LinuxCode	problem is thawte exports as p12	01:56
LinuxCode	I converted to pem/crt	01:56
elb	ahh you can use opessl to ... never mind	01:56
LinuxCode	imported fine..but cant seem to sign email	01:56
LinuxCode	Alendit, I speak german, but I dont see why I would want a german wikipedia ;-\|	01:57
LinuxCode	sorry	01:57
LinuxCode	+ I have not enough space	01:57
LinuxCode	I still havent ordered the 8GB sdhc card	01:57
lcuk_2	alen, if you had a smaller test version people would be more willing to see	01:57
elb	3.2GB of poorly researched articles, politically skewed maunderings, and outright lies	01:57
elb	I'm so excited	01:57
johnx	Alendit, sadly I don't speak German and I don't have 3.2GB of space :(	01:57
lcuk_2	elb, why are you describing my wikipedia page?	01:57
elb	heh	01:58
LinuxCode	haha	01:58
LinuxCode	;-}	01:58
Alendit	i'll make smaller test image tomorow	01:58
Alendit	tomorrow	01:58
LinuxCode	for you who didnt see my warning!	01:58
lcuk_2	does it load from internal browser	01:58
LinuxCode	rss reader applet...dont enable scrolling	01:58
Alendit	yes	01:58
LinuxCode	its a battery kiler, cpu killer	01:58
Alendit	it runs lighttps daemon	01:58
LinuxCode	and a pain in the arse	01:58
LinuxCode	hehe	01:58
lcuk_2	cool Alendit, when you become happy with system whats the chances of extracting from english DB?	01:59
lcuk_2	or would it be something the user could do. ie follow links given a few base articles and areas of interest	02:00
Alendit	well, i'm not the developer of it, i just ported it (quite poorly) from openmoko..and you can use any image of wikipedia	02:00
lcuk_2	"i want to see all supermodel articles which include pictures and links to their playboy pages"	02:00
Alendit	just run scripts from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia on wiki dump	02:01
Alendit	and it has no pictures	02:01
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, glad to see you get your priorities right ;-p	02:01
Alendit	http://alendit.blogspot.com/2008/02/mokopedia-wikipedia-in-your-pocket.html	02:01
lcuk_2	no linux thats not my priorities, its just i already have that search result saved, so i can do some ermm fact checking	02:02
lcuk_2	yes, fact checking	02:02
Alendit	it's my howto on it, you can try it with some smaller image, just make it with mksquashfs-tools	02:02
Alendit	i'll go sleep, cya	02:02
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, i see!	02:02
LinuxCode	nn Alendit	02:03
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lcuk_2	wasnt there a competition earlier last year about compressing a wiki extract	02:03
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LinuxCode	claws email mmm	02:03
lcuk_2	ahhhh, bit longer - 16th august 2006	02:03
lcuk_2	http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/13/200254	02:03
elb	make [citation needed] 1 bit on a huffman tree and you're ahead of the competition	02:03
LinuxCode	no idea how to import certs	02:03
LinuxCode	this whole cert thing will be a problem..I can say so much	02:04
lcuk_2	13th *	02:04
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\|tbb\|	alendit any screenshot how it looks like on n8x0	02:07
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lcuk_2	tbb, hes gone, but it should look wikipedia enough just without any images	02:07
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lcuk_2	ok, found moonlander keys in scp earlier. tell me if this makes sense:	02:08
lcuk_2	# Enter the ASCII decimal code	02:08
lcuk_2	LEFT=276	02:08
\|tbb\|	hmmh, so better than the sdict viewer version then	02:08
lcuk_2	im not sure	02:09
lcuk_2	ask him tomorrow	02:09
lcuk_2	ASCII is 7 bit, even 8 bit extended ASCII is still max of 255. how the heck is 276 a valid ASCII code?	02:10
LinuxCode	is it maybe the keycodes for the errm what was it called again	02:10
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, were you here when i made a pipekey ?	02:10
LinuxCode	for the shell	02:11
johnx	lcuk_2, well it's not x11 keycodes...	02:11
lcuk_2	no but i know what you mean	02:11
lcuk_2	you enter them on the console just under the warp manifold just at the other end of that jeffries tube	02:11
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LinuxCode	meh I thought I had the key list bookamrked	02:12
LinuxCode	;-\|	02:12
lcuk_2	ive got it somewhere, eyes and fingers just a bit busy at the mom	02:13
lcuk_2	^ent	02:13
* lcuk_2 doesnt know how the extra m got in there		02:13
LinuxCode	VK_DOWN	02:13
LinuxCode	VK_UP	02:14
LinuxCode	etc..	02:14
LinuxCode	for osso-xterm I just omitted the VK_ bit	02:14
lcuk_2	well have you altered your keys for moonlander? if so dig them out and tell me what you have used and what codes they are	02:15
lcuk_2	plz ?	02:15
LinuxCode	hehe no	02:15
LinuxCode	havent	02:15
LinuxCode	but now I can esc	02:15
lcuk_2	then how do you play it	02:15
LinuxCode	hold	02:15
LinuxCode	it says	02:16
hachi	does anyone know why the jffs on nokia devices is mounted though an mtd driver layered on top of an ide device?	02:16
LinuxCode	edit ~/.moon_lander	02:16
LinuxCode	edit ~/.moon_lander_keys	02:16
lcuk_2	_keys	02:16
LinuxCode	yah	02:16
lcuk_2	i have done	02:16
johnx	hachi, IDE device?	02:16
* LinuxCode starts terminal		02:16
LinuxCode	i see	02:17
hachi	I... thought I was looking at the boot options for maemo on my nokia and it says something like mtd[something]=hda root=/dev/mtd	02:17
johnx	hachi, I'm pretty sure it's an ordinary NAND chip. No IDE interfaces at all inside the tablet I think...	02:17
hachi	hmm, I'll look again, I'm asking this question from memory :\	02:17
johnx	you have me curious :)	02:17
johnx	I'll look through dmesg	02:17
lcuk_2	where is that held john?	02:18
johnx	lcuk_2, just run dmesg	02:18
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, be nice if we knew the key valuees of the joypad ;-\|	02:19
johnx	it holds the kernel messages in a smallish buffer in RAM	02:19
johnx	maybe 64KB at most?	02:19
hachi	johnx: part of why I'm asking is because the mtd website is down and so I can't read all the docs they have up there :)	02:19
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lcuk_2	wicked! thanks johnx :) [34471.882812] slide (GPIO 110) is now open	02:20
lophyte	hey all, is it possible to configure an n800/os2008 to act as a wifi bridge?	02:20
lophyte	between usbnet<->wifi	02:20
johnx	hachi, I'm looking at dmesg but I don't see any references to hda	02:20
jott	hehe http://lemmini.de/ is almost playable on a n810 :)	02:20
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lcuk_2	wow, thats total time since boot on the left hand side isnt it	02:21
johnx	it would appear so	02:22
hachi	as reported by gettimeofday	02:22
johnx	lophyte, is specific kernel support required for bridging?	02:22
LinuxCode	lcuk_2, hey!	02:22
LinuxCode	you know what..	02:23
lophyte	yeah I just saw it in the wiki...	02:23
lophyte	have to compile your own kernel modules to do NAT	02:23
LinuxCode	the ascii values were in the list I had	02:23
LinuxCode	from the source	02:23
LinuxCode	but I didnt bookamrk it	02:23
* LinuxCode googles		02:23
johnx	lophyte, you could do bridging instead I think	02:23
lophyte	hmm..	02:23
lophyte	yeah, maybe	02:23
lophyte	I don't recall how, I'll have to look it up	02:23
johnx	but you'd have to do lots of scripting when interfaces appeared and went away	02:23
\|tbb\|	anyone knows if the wlan adapter use much power while doing a adhoc connection (not connected to another pc)	02:23
johnx	unless you need a bridge, I would do NAT if I were you...	02:24
dphil9000	johnx: several kernel options required for iptables to bridge or nat	02:24
johnx	\|tbb\|, I'm pretty sure ad-hoc is a lot more power hungry than infrastructure mode...	02:24
johnx	dphil9000, thanks. that's what I thought	02:24
dphil9000	Just finished bridging bluetooth to ppp on my laptop	02:25
\|tbb\|	ah k	02:25
dphil9000	To get the n810 to the net	02:25
johnx	I've never had terribly good results with bridging interfaces that came and went as they pleased...but I'm willing to call it user error...	02:25
\|tbb\|	jott isnt lemmin java based	02:25
jott	\|tbb\|: yeah..	02:26
jott	it is	02:26
dphil9000	Actually nat is better than bridge for dynamic interfaces	02:26
lophyte	johnx, os2008 has no brctl...	02:26
lophyte	no bridging either	02:26
johnx	that's easy enough to get I would assume	02:26
\|tbb\|	java available to chinook	02:27
johnx	lophyte, both should be doable	02:27
dphil9000	I ended up using nat without brctl	02:27
johnx	dphil9000, aaah. ok. When you said "bridge" I thought you meant "bridge" :P	02:27
Niacin	anyone got pictures of the inside of a 770?	02:27
jott	\|tbb\|: https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page	02:27
dphil9000	Wish i could build a custom kernel for the tablet	02:28
jott	the unstable repository supports swing	02:28
johnx	Niacin, lots of pics on google "nokia 770 disassembly"	02:28
johnx	dphil9000, you can rebuild the Nokia kernel at least with your own options	02:29
dphil9000	Like iptables and nat?	02:29
johnx	yeah, sure	02:29
johnx	those are easy cause you can build them as modules	02:29
johnx	you just need a scratchbox and nokia's kernel source.	02:30
lophyte	yup	02:30
dphil9000	Then your nat might work, it doesn't need brctl	02:30
lophyte	I just don't feel like doing it, lol	02:30
lophyte	was hoping there'd be a more simple solution	02:30
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jott	i wonder if there is a vm supporting jazelle	02:31
dphil9000	Haven't finished setting up scratchbox on gentoo	02:31
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johnx	stupid thing, crawlin' all over my system...	02:31
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LinuxCode	lcuk_2, click is on now on BBC News 24	02:33
\|tbb\|	how many watts a n770 will eat when its on full power	02:35
\|tbb\|	is that known	02:35
\|tbb\|	jott thx	02:35
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sssshhhhhhhhh	/msg NickServ help	02:55
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cyberbillp	Is anyone live here?	03:07
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Luria	somewhat	03:07
Luria	watching superbowl	03:08
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rkabir	i'm here	03:10
cyberbillp	Cool. I'm looking for a bit of advice on installing the SDK for OS2008.	03:11
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johnx	cyberbillp, What's the question?	03:11
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cyberbillp	The install file says to install as "root". Yet the script specifically checks and prohibits "root". I'm not sure what to do.	03:12
cyberbillp	sudo fails as "root" users as well.	03:12
johnx	iIRC, one of the scripts needs to be run as root and one needs to be run as a user	03:14
cyberbillp	I'm on step 1.	03:14
johnx	can you link me to the specific guide you're following	03:15
johnx	(it seems like there are a million sdk howtos floating around...)	03:15
cyberbillp	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt	03:15
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cyberbillp	I'm actually at step 2.1 which is first for a new install	03:16
johnx	so, "sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh" complains that it doesn't want to be run as root?	03:16
jott	the scratchbox installation needs root privileges and the maemo sdk installation has to be run as user	03:16
cyberbillp	Yes, sudo errors about being root. And it's the scratchbox install script.	03:17
jott	could you pastebin what you did and the output of it?	03:17
cyberbillp	All of it?	03:18
cyberbillp	[bill@cyberbillp~]$ sudo ./maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh	03:19
cyberbillp	Password:	03:19
cyberbillp	This script will install maemo SDK 4.0 chinook release to your computer.	03:19
cyberbillp	Install options	03:19
cyberbillp	Do not download or install Nokia EUSA binaries (no)	03:19
cyberbillp	Force remove of existing targets (no)	03:19
cyberbillp	Alternative sources.list ('')	03:19
cyberbillp	Target configuration for armel (CHINOOK_ARMEL)	03:19
cyberbillp	compiler=cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm	03:19
cyberbillp	devkits=perl:debian-etch:maemo3-tools:cputransp	03:19
cyberbillp	cputransp=qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2	03:19
cyberbillp	Target configuration for i386 (CHINOOK_X86)	03:19
jott	pastebin != paste to channel :P.. but ok ;)	03:19
cyberbillp	compiler=cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-i386	03:19
cyberbillp	devkits=perl:debian-etch:maemo3-tools	03:19
cyberbillp	Checking for prerequisites	03:19
cyberbillp	--------------------------	03:19
cyberbillp	wget tool in path... /usr/bin/wget	03:19
cyberbillp	Checking for dpkg tool in path... which: no dpkg in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/local/games:/opt/kde/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin:.:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin)	03:19
cyberbillp	not found.	03:19
cyberbillp	Running outside of scratchbox... yes	03:19
cyberbillp	Script not run as user root... no	03:19
cyberbillp	E: This script should NOT be run as user root.	03:19
cyberbillp	oops. Never been big on irc.	03:19
cyberbillp	sorry	03:19
johnx	~pastebin	03:19
infobot	[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste	03:19
jott	cyberbillp: you ran the sdk install not the scratchbox install ;)	03:20
jott	(scratchbox => sudo , sdk => user)	03:20
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johnx	cyberbillp, it's ok. Everyone is new to IRC once. :)	03:21
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jott	cyberbillp: and you have to run the scratchbox install first	03:22
cyberbillp	DOH!	03:23
cyberbillp	Thanks tons, I knew it was something stupid I was doing.	03:24
jott	you're welcome ;)	03:24
cyberbillp	Thanks for the pastebin info too.	03:24
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jott	http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ hmmmm interesting	03:46
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lcuk_2	jott, has anyone confirmed this?	03:50
jott	not yet, but the report sounds plausible	03:50
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jott	(confirmed as in "not me".. ;)	03:51
jott	will try tomorrow..	03:51
lcuk_2	nice, let us know. if i knew enough i would attempt myself tonight	03:52
jott	just install the packages and see if it works ;)	03:52
jott	http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/osso-gpsd_1.0-25_armel.deb	03:53
lcuk_2	just atarting a backup now :)	03:54
lcuk_2	s	03:54
jeff1f	doesn't that just mean that sync times would only be slow in jan and feb 08?	03:55
jeff1f	I know the gps was still very slow in december	03:56
lcuk_2	thats maybe what i read and its all one guy giving info and patches and his results may be anecdotal (different location for tests, inteference or other things)	03:57
lcuk_2	its never locked for me when sat on my window sill, so i will install patch and see	03:58
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jott	lcuk_2: as far as i understood this patch will not help for the first fix but only for the following (if it helps at all)	04:07
lcuk_2	i know because if the timing is off then where it thinks each sat is in the sky is incorrect	04:08
lcuk_2	the stored info may still be off until after a full cycle	04:09
lcuk_2	or thats how i read it	04:09
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sssshhhhhhhhh	hopefully quick question : does anyone know where to find libassa for granule? ( os 2008 - n800)	04:13
johnx	I have no idea	04:17
johnx	maybe the one from bora will work?	04:17
sssshhhhhhhhh	didn't think about trying that one. I found a .deb on sourceforge, but wasn't sure if it was related.	04:17
johnx	what's link to the .deb on sf?	04:18
sssshhhhhhhhh	http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=63231	04:18
sssshhhhhhhhh	(scroll down)	04:18
johnx	it might be	04:19
johnx	there's only two things that end in "armel.deb" : packages for maemo and packages for debian armel	04:19
sssshhhhhhhhh	eh, what would it hurt - I can try it and see if it works. I could just wipe & re-install if it goes south.	04:20
johnx	go for it. :)	04:20
johnx	tell me how it works	04:20
* johnx should really start using a flash card program to study		04:20
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sssshhhhhhhhh	okay - I'll try it in a bit & let you know.	04:21
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sssshhhhhhhhh	incompatible application package.	04:36
sssshhhhhhhhh	bummer.	04:36
johnx	lame	04:40
johnx	back in a bit	04:41
johnx	have to flash BIOS :\|	04:41
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sssshhhhhhhhh	good luck	04:42
cyberbillp	gotta reboot. My /tmp was to small (tmpfs) to install scratchbox. Thanks again for the help.	04:46
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smackpotato	anyone a expert on kdrive	04:59
smackpotato	does it have a virtual core pointer	05:00
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oil	orning	05:05
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smackpotato	wow what a difference that gspd patch makes	05:19
smackpotato	20 seconds and 7 satalites lock on	05:19
smackpotato	inside even	05:20
elb	what gpsd patch is that?	05:20
elb	maybe this explains why my gps works fine, and all I hear from others is crying about how slow it is	05:20
LinuxCode	smackpotato, thats greatnews	05:21
smackpotato	its over at inttabelttalk	05:21
elb	oh, so it's not simply the latest os2008 or anything	05:22
elb	and my GPS apparently just remains freakishly fast ;-)	05:22
LinuxCode	i need to put the latest os2008 on	05:22
LinuxCode	i dont even know what the latest is	05:22
smackpotato	aperently its very simple it saved thw wrong date or something	05:23
smackpotato	wher are you elb	05:25
elb	IN, USA	05:25
LinuxCode	im using latest	05:26
smackpotato	thats not the different results then	05:27
* LinuxCode is kinda disappointed		05:27
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smackpotato	how so LinuxCode	05:27
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LinuxCode	dunno was hoping for more goodies ;-p	05:28
LinuxCode	and some fixes	05:28
smackpotato	i havent got the thumbboard figered out	05:28
LinuxCode	;-D	05:28
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LinuxCode	what a disgrace they only out the winblows flasher online	05:30
LinuxCode	public I mean	05:30
smackpotato	i wish the light sensor was not under my finger half the time	05:30
LinuxCode	if I hasnt asked here I wouldnt have the linux flasher	05:30
LinuxCode	smackpotato, chop it off hehe	05:30
LinuxCode	;-p	05:30
smackpotato	lol	05:31
LinuxCode	I just use the stand	05:31
LinuxCode	and grab it from undeneath	05:31
LinuxCode	so it wont fall out but its comfy	05:31
dphil9000	Me too, left handed with the stylus	05:31
LinuxCode	smackpotato, wheres the patch ? you got a direct lik ?	05:31
smackpotato	one minute	05:32
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elb	the light sensor on my tablet doesn't appear to do anything	05:37
elb	my brightness level never changes	05:37
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LinuxCode	put ya finger over it	05:37
LinuxCode	does the keybaord light up ?	05:37
elb	the keyboard lights up any time I open it	05:38
LinuxCode	hmmm	05:38
LinuxCode	it should only come on when its dark	05:38
LinuxCode	and when you are typing	05:38
elb	nope, comes on any time I open the device	05:39
elb	and goes out after 20-30 seconds, unless I hit a key	05:39
elb	but covering the sensor doesn't re-light it	05:39
LinuxCode	maybe some settings option ?	05:39
elb	I dunno, I assumed it was just disabled by default, but I haven't seen a way to turn it on	05:39
elb	maybe it doesn't work on this tablet	05:39
LinuxCode	control-panel_display-leds	05:40
elb	nothing there about the light sensor	05:41
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smackpotato	http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/	05:41
LinuxCode	cheers	05:41
LinuxCode	got the forum link too ?	05:41
LinuxCode	;-D	05:41
smackpotato	you need to be in redc pill mode fvor it to install	05:42
LinuxCode	how do i set it into red pill mode ?	05:42
smackpotato	open app manager	05:42
LinuxCode	k ..then ?	05:43
elb	LinuxCode: I am assuming you do have a light sensor setting in the display prefs?	05:43
LinuxCode	no mate	05:43
LinuxCode	just brightness and all	05:44
elb	ok	05:44
LinuxCode	juster wondered if yours was off	05:44
LinuxCode	hence akward behaviour	05:44
smackpotato	menue tools app cadalog	05:44
elb	I have my brightness set to the lowest setting	05:44
elb	I wonder if that's involved	05:44
LinuxCode	smackpotato, k	05:44
smackpotato	new	05:44
LinuxCode	ahh ok	05:44
LinuxCode	I did that manually in apt-get	05:44
LinuxCode	lol	05:44
LinuxCode	ok	05:44
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smackpotato	replace http\\ with matrix	05:45
LinuxCode	k	05:45
smackpotato	press cancel	05:45
smackpotato	press red pill	05:45
LinuxCode	lool	05:46
LinuxCode	thats pathetically funny	05:46
LinuxCode	which pill lol	05:46
LinuxCode	red/blue	05:46
elb	it totally is	05:46
elb	if I set the brightness to something higher, the light sensor does something	05:46
oil	what is the blue pill ?	05:46
smackpotato	dont forgetg to changbe itg back to blue pill aavter	05:46
smackpotato	blue pill is normal	05:47
oil	it will give a longer uptime for the tablet? ;)	05:47
elb	hah	05:47
oil	thanks. so it will disable the red pill mode?	05:47
elb	no, it just restricts some settings in the application manager	05:47
elb	or rather, red pill unrestricts some settings	05:47
smackpotato	red pill,is exta pakages that can screw things	05:47
LinuxCode	smackpotato, k	05:47
LinuxCode	its installed	05:47
LinuxCode	thanks	05:47
smackpotato	you will have one last poor gps preformance	05:48
LinuxCode	gotta reboot huh ?	05:48
LinuxCode	I try it tomorrow	05:49
LinuxCode	hehe	05:49
LinuxCode	I better got to bed	05:49
LinuxCode	I have a meeting at 11.30	05:49
LinuxCode	its 3:49	05:49
LinuxCode	;-	05:49
LinuxCode	\|	05:49
dieman	is there any good maemo developer primers?	05:49
dieman	heh	05:49
dieman	i just finished watchign superbowl etc	05:49
dieman	well, and doing work for oncall :\|	05:49
oil	smackpotato: by installing only this one? http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/osso-gpsd_1.0-25_armel.deb	05:49
LinuxCode	oil, yes	05:50
LinuxCode	the one is debug	05:50
LinuxCode	the other is the headers	05:50
smackpotato	cheers	05:50
LinuxCode	thanks smackpotato	05:50
LinuxCode	;-]	05:50
oil	ok. great. I'll try that one as well.	05:50
LinuxCode	right I better swing my bum into bed	05:51
LinuxCode	maybe get 5 hours kip	05:51
LinuxCode	;-\|	05:51
oil	in asia we have a brand new day already :)	05:51
smackpotato	ya u guys always get,to bee first	05:52
oil	hmm.. ssh to the tablet is really handy.. but there is a disadvantage as well.. every now and then need to wonder around the house to look for the tablet :)	05:52
smackpotato	get two	05:53
oil	have already	05:53
smackpotato	hmmm	05:53
oil	smackpotato: what did you do to the gpsd?	05:54
smackpotato	ther is a link to the patch it is someone elses work. it was saving the wrong date	05:55
smackpotato	http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/	05:55
smackpotato	so,was acting as a cold start every time	05:57
LinuxCode	im off to bed guys	05:58
LinuxCode	nn all	05:58
LinuxCode	;-D	05:58
LinuxCode	and thanks again for many good discussions and insigts	05:58
LinuxCode	+h	05:58
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Tama^2	Hello	06:51
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GeneralAntilles	Do I want to reflash. :<	08:17
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hachi	I'm trying to ping my n810 on the network	08:23
hachi	looked at the address it believes it has, 10.8.0.12	08:23
hachi	in a default setup does pinging it work?	08:23
oil	hachi: might be difficult to find people with default setup here :) Anyway I suppose it should work.	08:25
hachi	I'm trying it from many nodes on my network, none of them can ping it... and it can ping them just fine	08:25
hachi	bleh	08:25
hachi	lsmod doesn't show iptables as being loaded	08:26
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hachi	no rules in place... I see no filtering system in palce	08:27
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hachi	netstat -ln shows 0.0.0.0:22 listening just fine	08:28
hachi	nmap from another node says no reply when I do a TCP scan on 22 on the node manually	08:29
oil	and your netmask & default gw are ok as well?	08:29
hachi	my other machines on the network can't get an arp for the deivce	08:29
hachi	dhcp assigned netmask, gateway is irrelevant because of that fact	08:30
hachi	WTF, my laptop can't get arp requests to the device	08:33
hachi	something in the middle?	08:33
hachi	it's just wifi-to-wifi	08:34
hachi	I found one device that can, it's fine from there	08:34
hachi	a mac mini	08:34
SudoMakeMeSamich	heh	08:40
hachi	my ibm laptop finds it impossible to arp for the nokia	08:40
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Alendit	hi all	09:19
legind	hallo Alendit	09:24
Alendit	wanna test offline wikipedia?	09:25
Alendit	for n800	09:25
Alendit	i need testers	09:25
Alendit	it works on my n800, but i have no clue if it will work for someone else ^^	09:26
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braddbr	Alendit, is it easy to test? I will if i can do it fairly simply	09:45
Alendit	j0	09:48
Alendit	was afk, sry	09:48
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Alendit	read that http://alendit.blogspot.com/2008/02/mokopedia-wikipedia-in-your-pocket.html	09:48
Alendit	hope you'll not have too much difficulities with my english ^^	09:49
pupnik	i see someone built gtk1.2 armels.. might be fun to try building 'dillo' web browser	09:49
BugBlue	Alendit: can't you build a torrent of those files?	09:50
Alendit	i could, but there not so many people who want to dl it	09:50
Alendit	and these file are quite old	09:50
Alendit	new ones will be build soon	09:50
solmumaha	pupnik: can you put that ja2 to your site?	09:51
solmumaha	and maybe announce it on itt?	09:51
pupnik	Sure	09:51
solmumaha	if it's not too much trouble	09:51
braddbr	ok, where do i put .ko files?	09:53
Alendit	it doesn't matter	09:53
braddbr	and i imagine I have to modprobe it before running the app?	09:53
Alendit	put it in your home folder or something	09:53
Alendit	no, modprobe doesn't work :(	09:53
Alendit	insmod + path	09:53
braddbr	oh	09:53
braddbr	ok	09:53
Alendit	modprobe is buggy in os2008	09:53
Alendit	there no depmod	09:54
braddbr	ok to put it all on my memory card?	09:54
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Alendit	yes, sure	09:54
Alendit	then just insmod the file	09:54
braddbr	ok	09:54
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pupnik	http://pupnik.de/http://nakkiboso.com/ja2_0.7_svn.deb	09:55
pupnik	sorry	09:55
pupnik	http://pupnik.de/ja2_0.7_svn.deb	09:55
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braddbr	ok, alendit, what do i do with the .img file?	09:57
Alendit	mount -o loop -t squashfs {path-to-wiki-image}/wikipedia_de_april_mini.img /media/squashfs	09:57
Alendit	just save it somewhere and mount then	09:57
braddbr	ok, its mounted.. now what?	09:59
fysa	slick, Alendit	09:59
Alendit	hi	09:59
fysa	just reading your mokopedia deal	10:00
Alendit	sry for my english, it's the best i can ^^	10:00
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fysa	it all looks very good. thanks for your work!	10:01
fysa	maybe I should order the 32GB SD now ;)	10:01
Alendit	no probs, i always wanted to port it to n800, even as i didn't have it ^^	10:01
Alendit	^^ i heard new wikipedia image is in working, this one is almost 1 year old	10:02
fysa	have you benchmarked squashfs at all?	10:02
Alendit	it need a plenty of time though	10:02
Alendit	about 3 week	10:02
Alendit	no, i didn't	10:02
fysa	now that I think about it, someone mentioned that I/O is faster with higher CPU load (possibly due to processor scaling	10:03
fysa	)	10:03
fysa	it's possible that squashfs would actually be faster because of that ;)	10:03
Alendit	yeah, i heard about this bug (?)	10:03
Alendit	but squashfs is fast enough for wiki now	10:04
fysa	I mean, the calculation required for squashfs compression may cause the CPU to scale higher sooner, making it faster than a 'normal' filesystem ;)	10:05
Alendit	would be funny ^^	10:05
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braddbr	Alendit: , maybe i will try again later when i find the depot for the libpcre* stuff	10:06
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Alendit	it's in maemo extras repo	10:06
Alendit	i'll post the link in article	10:06
braddbr	k	10:06
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Alendit	done	10:09
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Alendit	add deb http://repostirory.maemo.org/extras chinook free non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list	10:09
Alendit	and run apt-get update	10:09
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b0unc3	good morning	10:10
Alendit	strange, libpcre3 should be in normal maemo repository	10:12
Alendit	can you send me your /etc/apt/sources.list ?	10:12
Alendit	or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*	10:12
Alendit	hi, b0unc3	10:12
braddbr	i am getting duplicates in apt-get update..	10:13
florian	good morning	10:13
Alendit	it means you already have extras there	10:14
Alendit	sure, you can't install libpcre3 with apt-get?	10:14
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hrw	morning	10:15
Alendit	hi, hrw	10:15
braddbr	apt-get install libpcre3 needs dependencies.. you figure apt-get would find these..	10:16
Alendit	sry, i didn't understand that. libpcre3 need some dependencies and apt-get can't find them?	10:18
braddbr	apt-get install lighttpd says lighttpd : Depends: libcre3 (>=4.5) but it is not going to be installed	10:20
braddbr	apt-cache search libpcre3 shows that it exists	10:20
Alendit	do apt-get install libpcre3	10:21
Alendit	and then install lighttpd with dpkg -i lighttpd.deb	10:22
braddbr	I did tthe apt-get and it still says 'lighttpd: Depends: libpcrecpp0 ....' .. and lighttpd isn't even on the apt-get command line..	10:23
braddbr	does apt cache the packages for install?	10:25
Alendit	lighttpd isn't in repositories	10:25
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Alendit	should download it, there the link in article	10:26
braddbr	gimme a minute	10:26
Alendit	i updated post and pasted commands to install dependencies	10:28
braddbr	i am going to reflash.. i did too much without understanding.. give me 5 mins to reinstall	10:28
Alendit	you don't really need it	10:28
Alendit	just copypaste the dependencies line	10:29
solmumaha	pupnik: thanks	10:30
pupnik	if you find pretter regions to screenshot please do so - i won't be able to test it for a while	10:34
pupnik	(no space on SD)	10:34
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hrw	someone have docs how to add locales, keyboard layouts to maemo?	10:34
Jaffa	Morning, all	10:35
pupnik	o/	10:36
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pupnik	it's wonderful how 640x400 doubled dos games fit perfectly in the available non-fullscreen window space :)	10:38
SudoMakeMeSamich	acroheh	10:40
SudoMakeMeSamich	hmm	10:40
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Tama^2	Anyone using big (>8Gb) sd cards?	10:43
tank-man	why do you ask Tama^2 ?	10:44
Tama^2	I'm using 2x16Gb and would like to know if anyone else noticed they consume heaps of power	10:44
pupnik	that's a very interesting question	10:45
Alendit_	braddbr, still here?	10:46
braddbr	yup, installing ssh	10:47
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tank-man	Tama^2, is that your situation now? you have 2x16 and your battery life is lower or are you just asking?	10:47
\|tbb\|	morning	10:47
Tama^2	apparently even if I umount them and lock my n800 power isn't cut to the sd cards	10:47
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Tama^2	yes lower, like 10 times lower in idle mode	10:48
Tama^2	I have run some tests and writing up about it	10:48
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Tama^2	but basically the punch line is that regardless of the mmcs being mounted or not when they are inserted I get x10 power consumption in dle mode	10:49
Tama^2	offline mode, no app, not desktop applet, no metalayer crawler, no rss, no email	10:49
pupnik	is there a /proc entry i can cat for power consumption info?	10:50
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Tama^2	you can indirectly see how much the battery is drained over time	10:50
Tama^2	no amperage info available AFAIK	10:50
Tama^2	On the bright side I found that in the above configuration without any sd card inserted the battery really lasts 10 days in idle mode	10:52
Tama^2	not bad	10:52
fysa	http://www.randys.org/2007/11/16/how-to-automated-backups-to-amazon-s-s3-with-duplicity	10:52
fysa	S3 storage could be useful.	10:52
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braddbr	ok, fresh install :) what libs do i need to install Alendit_ ??	10:53
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\|tbb\|	Tama^2: are you telling about n810 or n800 or both	10:55
pupnik	Tama^2: real time current consumption would be very interesting. If you find anything (proc or dbus) let us know	10:56
Tama^2	I tested with an n800	10:56
Tama^2	ok pupnik :)	10:56
johnx	Tama^2, do you think the difference between SD cards might be related to metalayer-crawler?	10:56
johnx	nevermind	10:57
johnx	you already answered that	10:57
Tama^2	johnx: that was my first bet and the reason I started testing... but it turns out that mt ot no mt makes no difference (after the indexing takes place)	10:57
Tama^2	:P	10:57
Tama^2	I will finish the writeup and paste the link in here	10:58
Tama^2	at some stage...	10:58
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johnx	Just thought of it because when I have my SD card with Debian in tn while OS2008 is running metalayer crawler goes crazy	10:58
\|tbb\|	Tama^2: do you have some symlinks to the cards?	10:58
Tama^2	\|tbb\|: nope, and it happens even with the cards unmounted	10:58
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Tama^2	again, the tests were run with and without metalayer crawler	10:59
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Tama^2	so the poor crawler is not to blame ... for once	10:59
Tama^2	;)	10:59
Tama^2	johnx: it appears the crawler has a known bug with symlinks (the bug was fixed at some stage but then resurfaced in a later version in some different form)	11:00
johnx	nice	11:00
johnx	that would make sense	11:00
Tama^2	johnx: I was reading about it on bugzilla today...	11:01
Alendit_	braddbr, sry was afk	11:01
braddbr	s'ok	11:01
Alendit_	copy&paste the line with dependecies	11:01
\|tbb\|	how to stop crawler, do it have a stop command? or just killing it	11:01
fysa	maybe I could store my music collection at S3, and then mount it from the N800 ;)	11:01
johnx	the best part is that I'm having issues with trackerd (another indexing system) on my desktop ubuntu box	11:01
johnx	no matter where I go I can't escape O_o	11:01
Alendit_	apt-get install libpcre3 libpcre3-dev libpcrecpp0 perl perl-modules	11:01
fysa	That would be $15 per month for 100GB.	11:01
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johnx	\|tbb\|, as root, /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop	11:02
johnx	(or something like that)	11:02
braddbr	ok, sources.list is empty.. sources.list.d/hildon... has deb http://repository.maemo.org/extra/ chinook free non-free	11:02
braddbr	i did a apt-get update.. apt-cache search libpcre3 finds nothing..	11:02
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Tama^2	\|tbb\|: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop	11:02
Alendit_	wait	11:03
Alendit_	add deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free	11:03
Alendit_	to sources.list	11:03
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braddbr	ok, updating.. what is the diff between sources.list and the files in sources.list.d??	11:05
Alendit_	sources.list.d is a directory	11:05
Alendit_	all listes in source.list.d are quite the same as sources.list	11:05
braddbr	ok	11:05
braddbr	does application-manager use only sources.list.d/* ??	11:06
Alendit_	no, also sources.list	11:06
Alendit_	i think	11:06
braddbr	ok	11:06
Alendit_	quite sure	11:06
hrw	guys: is it "normal" that n810 does not want to start when charged to full?	11:07
hrw	braddbr: sources.list and sources.list.d/ entries are both correct	11:07
hrw	braddbr: APT use both	11:07
hrw	and application-manager do not use 'sources.list' but it use APT (and APT use sources lists)	11:08
Alendit_	yeah, and since app manager is only a apt backend (i think) it should also use both	11:08
Alendit_	oh, didn't know tha	11:08
Alendit_	t	11:08
hrw	but I do not know does it edit sources.list directly or handle it via APT	11:09
braddbr	ok, dpkg -i lightttpd seems to set something in the apt-get stuff.. i did dpkg -i lighttpd.. its said libbz2 was a dependancy.. so i apt-get install libbz2.. it says replaced by bzip2.. so i did 'apt-get install bzip2' and that apt-get says 'lighttpd: Depends: libbz2...'	11:10
hrw	jesus...	11:10
hrw	why not simple 'apt-get install lightttpd'?	11:10
Alendit_	cause there no lighttpd in repos	11:10
hrw	I know that maemo suxx when it comes to repositories but	11:11
Alendit_	do apt-get -f install	11:11
braddbr	well i was using the version Alendit_ posted..	11:11
hrw	rumours say that os2011 will have feeds done right	11:11
braddbr	ok, i got it :)	11:11
Alendit_	or i should say, i didn't find any lighttpd in repos	11:11
\|tbb\|	does the crawler runs (eat cpu power) while display is off and in flight mode?	11:11
\|tbb\|	Aendit_ do you got some screenshoots about mokopedia on n8x0	11:12
Alendit_	mom, there are a screen cast (not from me)	11:12
Alendit_	mom = moment	11:12
Alendit_	http://www.rabenfrost.net/mokopedia_demo2.ogg	11:13
Tama^2	\|tbb\|: it runs but does not necessarily use too much of your CPU	11:13
braddbr	Alendit_: lighttpd did not install a /etc/lighttpd.conf	11:13
Alendit_	i know	11:13
Alendit_	it's in mokopedia.tar.gz	11:13
braddbr	ok	11:13
Alendit_	just make tar xvf moko* -C /	11:13
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Tama^2	I think my media library is to HUGE for canola Beta2	11:14
Tama^2	it reboots the device O.o	11:15
\|tbb\|	how does it look like on n810, fullscreen or 240px width?	11:15
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AD-N770	bon dia / good morning	11:23
braddbr	Alendit_: I get mokopedia home page.. i added the small .img.. /media/squashfs/a/* exists, but when i search for 'a' nothing shows up	11:24
Alendit_	strange, let me think	11:26
Alendit_	\|tbb\| sry, i'm not registered	11:26
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braddbr	maybe permission problems?	11:28
Alendit	you need only read permission	11:28
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massoud	hi there	11:33
Alendit_	braddbr, hey still there?	11:34
braddbr	yeah.. i was looking at lightppd log.. i get /../../: No such file or directory at /src/www/htdocs/wiwk/mokopedia.cga line 110.. maybe i started lighttpd in the wrong dir?	11:35
braddbr	wiwk=wiki*	11:35
Alendit_	cga = cgi?	11:35
braddbr	yup, sorry	11:36
Alendit_	it should be srv/www	11:36
Alendit_	do you have src?	11:36
braddbr	i have the cgi script..	11:37
Alendit_	do you have /srv/www/ directory?	11:38
braddbr	yup	11:38
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Alendit_	wait a minute	11:39
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\|tbb\|	anyone knows how many watts or milliwatts a n770 will consume while its on 100% cpu and display on, was this checked before?	11:39
Alendit_	test image is corrupt	11:41
Alendit_	my fault	11:41
Alendit_	i'll upload new one	11:41
braddbr	ok	11:41
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Alendit_	braddbr, have some probs uploading it to box	11:47
braddbr	ok, just use my nic 'braddbr' when you are ready so i can hear the 'click'	11:47
Alendit_	ok	11:48
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hrw	http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/04/nokia-n810-and-fscked-charging-subsystem/	11:56
Alendit_	braddbr, done	11:57
braddbr	k	11:57
Alendit_	should work now	11:57
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solmumaha	hrw: still doesn't start?	12:00
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hrw	solmumaha: yep	12:04
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Alendit_	braddbr, does it work?	12:08
braddbr	nope :( search for 'aaa' results (in /var/log/lighttpd/errors.log) can't opendir /media/squashfs/a/a/a/: No such file or directory	12:10
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Alendit_	do ls /meedia/squashfs/a/a	12:10
Alendit_	*media	12:10
braddbr	no directories, only files 'AAA', 'AAAA' ... and there is a links.list	12:11
Alendit_	sure you use the new image?	12:11
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braddbr	did a tar xf mokopedia.tar -C /	12:12
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Alendit_	i mean the test.img	12:12
braddbr	ohhh...	12:12
braddbr	no :)	12:12
Alendit_	^^	12:12
Alendit_	redownload it	12:12
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solmumaha	hrw: sounds to me something is broken	12:12
solmumaha	it should start if you plug in the charger	12:13
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braddbr	Alendit_: werks :) (well i tried 'aa' and 'aaa')	12:15
Alendit_	^^	12:15
Alendit_	now you can dl real wikipedia image and just mount it	12:15
braddbr	when i get a bigger SD card :)	12:16
Alendit_	yo	12:16
braddbr	btw, whats the biggest SD a n800 will support?	12:16
Alendit_	you should start lighttpd, insert squashfs module and mount image on every start	12:16
Alendit_	8gb i think	12:16
Alendit_	but i don't see why a 16gb shouldn't work	12:17
braddbr	its a nice little app. is this the first version?	12:17
Alendit_	yes	12:18
braddbr	awesome	12:18
Alendit_	i'll contact the developer and ask him if i can help develop it	12:18
braddbr	good work	12:18
Alendit_	not sure he still work on it	12:18
Alendit_	it's not mine	12:18
Alendit_	i just ported it	12:18
braddbr	oh	12:18
braddbr	well, its another app to add to the repo (when you get the .deb files working good)	12:19
Alendit_	yes	12:19
braddbr	well off to the other virtual desktop..	12:20
Alendit_	cya	12:21
Alendit_	oh wait	12:21
Alendit_	ah, nevermind :)	12:21
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lardman	morning all	12:25
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GnutoN810	hi	12:26
lardman	me is impressed with Ubuntu, except that grub had to be manually installed, and it still doesn't have a clue about multi-head setup or indeed remembering the one working screen's res and freq settings	12:28
lardman	me should type a /	12:28
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Alendit_	does anyone know how i can insmod on startup?	12:32
lardman	rc.d	12:33
Alendit_	ok, thx	12:33
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ccooke	lardman: ... manually install grub? that doesn't sound like Ubuntu - unless you're using an odd install method	12:36
pupnik	greets lardman	12:36
lardman	hi pupnik	12:37
lardman	ccooke: it tried to install it and failed	12:37
pupnik	lardman http://pupnik.de/newvox is a cute sdl demo (voxels) - will be very fast soon in full 800x480	12:38
lardman	ccooke: I've no idea where it tried installing it for that matter. I've got sda, sdb and an hda, I wonder if it thought that hda was first in the boot order while it's actually last	12:38
pupnik	and so tiny :) 8780 Feb 3 19:48 newvox	12:38
lardman	pupnik: I'll have a look in a minute :)	12:38
lardman	I can't believe Linux still has troubles with multihead though	12:39
ccooke	lardman: that's not a big problem in Ubuntu anymore	12:39
ccooke	although it's not as good as it will be	12:39
lardman	but it is! I installed it yesterday and it doesn't work ;)	12:39
GeneralAntilles	It's hard to believe Linux still has troubles with a lot of things.	12:39
ccooke	lardman: System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics	12:40
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ccooke	(next release, when it goes live, should be automatically configured for multicast as soon as you plug the monitor in on most cards)	12:40
lardman	yep, everytime I boot it doesn't remember the settings, and when I go to enable the extra screens it kills the xserver and either doesn't come back (alt-ctl-back space job) or just screws up the main screen res and doesn't enable the other screens	12:41
ccooke	What version are you running?	12:42
lardman	perhaps I have something strange - 7900gtx w/ single main screen, 7300gs with two additional screens	12:42
lardman	7.10 iirc	12:42
johnx	lardman, are you using nvidia drivers or nv?	12:42
ccooke	lardman: that's well outside the curve, yes. Are you using the nvidia... what johnx said :-)	12:42
lardman	johnx: nvidia	12:43
lardman	so unsupported of course	12:44
lardman	but still, it shouldn't really matter as we're just talking about xorg.conf here	12:44
johnx	unsupported? you turned it on with Ubuntu's little "restricted driver manager" right?	12:44
lardman	yep	12:44
johnx	ok	12:44
johnx	ah, so you said it forgets the settings?	12:45
johnx	did you use nvidia's little control panel?	12:45
lardman	Another minor annoyance, should the Display & Screens applet actually work, is that is appears each card has to run/serve a separate Xserver. I.e. It says I can have a separate one on the 7300, but can't be the same as the 7900	12:45
ccooke	lardman: That's the way t works, yes	12:45
lardman	johnx: I just found that, yes I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to hold the changes	12:46
lardman	johnx: it can see all the monitors, etc, but the conf file it writes doesn't actually contain them	12:46
johnx	right, it gets run as user by default and it doesn't seem to have the good sense to complain that it can't write the changes to xorg.conf	12:46
lardman	yeah, I wondered about that; it complains about not being able to open a gtk window when run as root	12:46
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johnx	gksu nvidia-settings	12:46
lardman	ah, thanks :)	12:47
johnx	took me long enough to figure WTH it was up to ...	12:47
lardman	and yes, the built in applet seems to forget the monitor res and/or freq	12:47
johnx	yeah, I don't like that thing	12:47
johnx	every time I run it, it breaks my very simple setup	12:48
lardman	now the interesting thing is that after lots of effort I had a nice working 3 screen, single xserver setup on my Mandrakiva	12:48
lardman	but I obviously forgot to save the xorg.conf	12:48
lardman	and Ubuntu doesn't seem to offer to span a single xserver over more than one card	12:49
lardman	strange (imo)	12:49
johnx	do you remember if it was with twinview, xinerama or seperate x screens?	12:49
lardman	yeah, this is where my terminology gets lost	12:49
lardman	not xinerama - didn't maximise across screens	12:49
johnx	ah twinview maximizes across screens	12:49
johnx	xinerama doesn't	12:49
lardman	probably a twinview style thing, but with 3 screens, all the same xserver	12:49
lardman	ah, other way round then	12:49
johnx	can someone correct me if I'm wrong here? I was under the impression that multihead was always one x server	12:50
lardman	you can have a single xserver for each screen	12:50
johnx	and that in fact there is no good, simple way to have two x servers on two seperate VTs running	12:50
lardman	"start menu" on each window	12:50
johnx	lardman, right	12:50
johnx	that's multiple "screens" on one x server	12:50
johnx	if I understand correctly	12:51
lardman	hmm, the screens can't interact	12:51
lardman	no copying across screens, etc.	12:51
johnx	sounds right	12:51
johnx	but: ps auxc \| grep Xorg	12:51
lardman	the display applet talks about a separate xserver for my second card, was why I thought that was true	12:52
lardman	johnx: at work atm	12:52
johnx	hmm	12:52
johnx	ah	12:52
* johnx risks running the display applet O_o		12:52
lardman	I wonder if my multiscreen wonderfulness was a specific setting on the nvidia driver, I seem to remember there being some	12:53
johnx	honestly, I would read a howto and craft an xorg.conf by hand. I think we're still 1 or 2 Linux releases away from completely automagic handling of arbitrary multi-monitor setups...	12:54
johnx	the display applet is only talking to me about a "secondary screen"	12:54
johnx	nothing about x servers	12:54
lardman	I know, that's what I did last time (was ~3 years ago though), just a bit disappointed that things haven't moved on yet	12:54
johnx	me too :(	12:54
lardman	do you have 2 cards?	12:54
johnx	one card	12:54
johnx	a lowly geforce 6600	12:54
johnx	which is just fine for me :)	12:55
lardman	yeah, it asks me about a second screen (which it may think is on the second output of my first card - but it has no monitor), then asks about a second card & xserver	12:55
johnx	aaaah	12:55
johnx	ok	12:55
johnx	hmm	12:55
lardman	I used to have 2 screens, needed more space	12:55
lardman	:)	12:56
lardman	I think the applet is getting confused	12:56
lardman	Last question...	12:56
johnx	sure	12:56
lardman	where is the current screen res & freq stored?	12:56
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lardman	xorg.conf saves multiple possibilities, but does it save the chosen one?	12:56
johnx	the current screen res?	12:56
Alendit_	are all files in rcx.d executed on runlevel x?	12:56
johnx	Alendit_, all files beginning with Snn (where nn is between 01 and 99) are executed as long as they're executable	12:57
Alendit_	kk	12:57
johnx	AFAIK :)	12:57
johnx	lardman, it chooses the default based on what's first in the list of Modes	12:58
johnx	and the current one isn't saved at least I don't think it is	12:58
lardman	ah, ok, I'll do some tweaking there then	12:58
johnx	yeah, I need to fix my setup too	12:58
lardman	ok, one more question ;)	12:58
johnx	heh	12:58
johnx	go for it	12:58
lardman	how does one generate the random numbers for the screen res/freqs?	12:59
lardman	well I'm sure they're not random - modelines	12:59
johnx	gah	12:59
johnx	gah	12:59
johnx	find a modeline generator	12:59
lardman	yep, Google has sorted that out	12:59
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lardman	thanks	12:59
johnx	if you can't find a modeline generator settle down for a couple weeks of research about how CRTs work	13:00
* lardman wishes for Windows like simplicity with setting up displays		13:00
johnx	me too	13:00
lardman	johnx: :(	13:00
johnx	but I prefer Linux's error messages when things don't work	13:00
* johnx wrote his own modelines at one point		13:00
johnx	never again	13:00
lardman	oh yes, I prefer Linux in general, just some little (annoying things) :)	13:00
johnx	the two monitor, no hotpluging setup is fine at least	13:01
johnx	too bad I don't want to waste CPU/GPU/RAM on drawing to my TV when it's off	13:02
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lardman	never looks good on a tv out	13:02
johnx	looks fine here, except my TV is horrible	13:02
lardman	but I suppose LCD tvs may be better	13:02
glass_	if it's clone mode to tv it shouldn't really take cpu/gpu/ram	13:03
glass_	lcd tv's are better off run through dvi. looks heaps better, doh.	13:03
johnx	glass_, the max res the nvidia card wants to run for TV out is 1024x768 ...	13:03
glass_	johnx: well the real reso with tv out is 720x480 or so	13:03
glass_	it just samples it	13:03
lardman	may be why my one looked nasty	13:04
glass_	yeah	13:04
lardman	was an old card, probably rubbish sampling	13:04
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glass_	like, it can't overdrive svideo or composite...	13:04
johnx	lardman, standard TV resolution is just horrible is all :)	13:04
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glass_	yeah	13:04
lardman	esp if you're American ;)	13:04
glass_	720x480 is the optimum reso about if you can create custom resolutions	13:04
johnx	yeah, but my nvidia card won't agree to have the "native X11 resolution" for the TV out head be anything more than 1024x768 (I think)	13:05
johnx	so clone is kind of a non-starter...	13:05
johnx	what I need is some clever metamodes...	13:05
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glass_	windows side i just use the "overlay to tv" thing	13:06
lardman	all this fiddling is the kind of thing that stops me doing useful work :)	13:06
johnx	:)	13:06
glass_	it zooms the overlays to a properish tv res(720x480) into the tvout	13:06
lardman	windows drivers have more love me thinks	13:06
glass_	because tv is rubbish for anything else than videos anyhow	13:06
glass_	yeah probably	13:07
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glass_	mostly i just play vids with xbox tho to be honest	13:07
johnx	yeah...I used to have an older athlon as a dedicated media center but a smaller apartment meant some consolidation	13:08
lardman	I've got a "showcenter" for that	13:08
lardman	anyway, thanks for your help chaps	13:10
X-Fade	Hehe, I finally received a correct NL version N810 :)	13:10
glass_	old xboxes are great media centers	13:10
glass_	when modded	13:10
glass_	too bad they lack power for hd	13:10
johnx	glass_, yeah HD plays great here...gets nicely downscaled to 740x480 :)	13:11
glass_	and too bad the network chip broke in mine.. only works in 10mbit and only when passed through a 10mbit hub connected to a switch..(yeah it's freaky)	13:11
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glass_	i just got a regular tv so i don't care about hd yet that much	13:11
johnx	network problems tend to be that way...	13:11
glass_	the chips have a habit of breaking	13:11
glass_	10mbit is enough to play most stuff over the network	13:12
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GeneralAntilles	HD on the computer is the way to do it.	13:14
GeneralAntilles	Tuners are a dime a dozen.	13:14
lardman	what do you tune into though?	13:14
GeneralAntilles	ClearQAM/ATSC	13:14
lardman	do you have HD broadcast for free in the US?	13:14
GeneralAntilles	Of course.	13:15
GeneralAntilles	All OTA stuff is gonna be digital in 2009.	13:15
lardman	ah, fair enough	13:15
lardman	need to pay for satellite/cable here to get HD	13:15
GeneralAntilles	It's basically PBS/FOX/ABC/CBS/NBC	13:16
GeneralAntilles	plus a few random other channels.	13:16
GeneralAntilles	Just fine for me.	13:16
GnutoN810	ye	13:16
GnutoN810	bye	13:16
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GeneralAntilles	I get it from the unencrypted QAM from the cable company, though.	13:16
GeneralAntilles	Little easier than fiddling with an antenna.	13:16
lardman	I emailed a chap at Nokia (from the headers) about the GPS data files, but no reply	13:19
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GeneralAntilles	Isn't disturbing to think about what could be done with these things if the platform were completely open? :(	13:22
lardman	very much so, but it might cost more to make then	13:23
johnx	GeneralAntilles, all the freaking time :(	13:23
GeneralAntilles	When are all the dinosaurs at TI gonna die off so their open their ish up?	13:23
GeneralAntilles	s/their/they/	13:23
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: When are all the dinosaurs at TI gonna die off so they open their ish up?	13:23
johnx	GeneralAntilles, don't hold out for that. Sharp killed off the zaurus line long ago, and buried the source for lots of stuff with it	13:24
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lardman	Imgtech is of more interest	13:24
lardman	the PowerVR is probably the biggest unused feature	13:24
lardman	s/biggest/coolest	13:24
ccooke	johnx: "Long" ago? They only killed it last year...	13:24
johnx	ccooke, well they've seemingly been trying to kill it since ~2003 or so...	13:25
johnx	but I was referring to the US Zauruses, like the 5500 and 5600	13:25
johnx	lardman, heh...in the long term though the battery charing stuff will be the "most wanted" feature I think	13:25
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ccooke	johnx: no, not really. It's just that you or I weren't their customers - they wanted to sell to Japanese people who wanted an easy-to-use device that was more than a dictionary	13:26
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ccooke	(have you seen the number of electronic dictionaries on sale in Japan?)	13:26
johnx	ccooke, yes :)	13:26
johnx	ccooke, did you have a zaurus at one point or another?	13:27
ccooke	johnx: the Zaurus fit into the product lines there as a "top of the range" thing. Problem was, they didn't make the interface as nice as the competition...	13:27
Khertan	#debsums -s dpkg	13:27
Khertan	debsums: checksum mismatch dpkg file /usr/bin/dpkg	13:27
johnx	right	13:27
Lynoure	I can understand a need for a PIM... it seems the internet tablet cannot yet unfortunately replace one.	13:27
Khertan	nice firmware	13:27
johnx	I understand that	13:27
ccooke	I had a C750, C860, C3100 and a C3200.	13:28
johnx	ah	13:28
ccooke	and I bought the N810 as a next-closest-model upgrade :-)	13:28
solmumaha	for me n800 was everything zaurus never was, but i had only collie	13:28
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johnx	Sharp's "community outreach" for the 5500/5600 consisted of closing their official forum without warning and a complete lack of communication	13:29
solmumaha	zaurus was lacking in hardware so it was only a toy imo	13:29
johnx	solmumaha, it had plenty of hardware...it was always a problem of getting a critical mass of developers	13:29
lardman	it was a pretty cool toy at the time	13:29
ccooke	solmumaha: ... you know the zaurus was more powerful than the N8x0 by quite a margin, right?	13:29
johnx	ccooke, not the 5500...	13:30
solmumaha	i only had sl-5500	13:30
lardman	hmm, how do?	13:30
ccooke	with a better keyboard, more expansion than the n800...	13:30
glass_	that sl-5500 was pretty powerful for it's time	13:30
johnx	it really was	13:30
glass_	opera with zooming with it was awesome coupled with the first gprs phones	13:30
johnx	I loved mine too	13:30
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ccooke	solmumaha: ahh. But you can't compare a - what? four? five? - year old palmtop with a new one :-)	13:30
lardman	ccooke: but not in terms of the hardware then, built in BT, GPS, WiFi	13:30
solmumaha	yes, a normal upgrade cycle	13:31
glass_	my bro had(has) a sd bt	13:31
lardman	The built-in wifi was the big thing for me, dsp was added bonus	13:31
lardman	glass_: sdio wasn't hooked up on the Zaurus iirc	13:31
ccooke	lardman: The n8x0 isn't anything like as good at video/audio as the later Zaurii, unfortunately.	13:31
glass_	lardman: it is	13:31
solmumaha	how many models had bluetooth/wlan built-in?	13:31
lardman	ccooke: what spec were the later ones then?	13:31
ccooke	lardman: it was, but the driver never got into the standard kernels	13:31
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lardman	ccooke: oh right, the other issue was the lack of drivers for the SD IO cards iirc	13:32
johnx	lardman, 416MHz xscale / 64MB RAM / 6GB microdrive / CF slot / sd slot	13:32
ccooke	lardman: 64meg RAM, built in 6GHDD, 416Mhz arm-based processor, with video players that could clock it up on demand to 620Mhz, IIRC...	13:32
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Khertan	ccooke > the later zaurus ? it was only a 416Mhz XScale	13:32
Khertan	and this is the same proc as Palm TX ...	13:33
lardman	johnx: shouldn't really be better for audio/video then, though XorA did a good job with mplayer	13:33
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Khertan	at 612Mhz it was ok for 320*480 video ...	13:33
ccooke	Khertan: my last two Zaurii (C3100 and C3200) could play 640x480 video that I used on my TV.	13:33
Khertan	but it s the limit	13:33
lardman	johnx: should have been aimed at ccooke, sorry	13:33
johnx	and without software and marketing and community outreach that awesome hardware got sharp nothing	13:33
ccooke	not re-encoded.	13:33
Khertan	so at 640x480 ... they should be drop frame	13:33
ccooke	Khertan: not enough to be noticable	13:34
lardman	they have video acceleration too iirc	13:34
ccooke	yeah	13:34
Khertan	lardman > ok ...	13:34
ccooke	the n8x0 could do about as well, if it had acceleration working	13:34
solmumaha	well i don't miss my collie after n800	13:34
lardman	indeed, bring on the IVA....	13:34
johnx	collie was great for PIM stuff	13:34
johnx	I still have mine sitting herer..but it won't turn on right now :(	13:35
ccooke	(don't get me wrong - the n8x0 is a better device. It has better networking, a vastly better browser and screen, lovely speakers and great battery life. But it's not all positive :-)	13:35
lardman	yeah, my batteries all died	13:35
johnx	ccooke, yeah. I really wish I could mix and match features from all my Linux handhelds	13:35
lardman	ccooke: of course, and don't get me wrong, I had a 5500 and sl750	13:35
johnx	lardman, I think mine must have too	13:36
johnx	I was just using it earlier today ...	13:36
solmumaha	i tried to offer my collie to freebsd-arm project	13:37
ccooke	(Still - I haven't yet seen a palmtop as good for heavy use as the Psion 5mx I used to have ;-)	13:37
lardman	hear hear	13:37
lardman	I was using mine yesterday for scrabble	13:38
ccooke	heh. Mine both have cracked screens	13:38
johnx	I kind of want one of those to complete my collection	13:38
lardman	that's the size I'd like to see now	13:38
lardman	backlight's gone on mine	13:38
ccooke	one terminally dead, one with just the touchscreen broken	13:38
johnx	that and an IBM z50 workpad	13:38
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braddbr	to compile in scratchbox, can i simply 'sb-conf select CHINOOK-ARMEL' then build the app, then copy it to my nokia and execute it to test it on the tablet?	13:40
johnx	yup	13:40
braddbr	ok, thanks	13:40
pupnik	booo 27fps	13:44
braddbr	a quick question.. how can i setup inside my scratchbox environment to use debian's eth0 interface and ip_address (so I can scp or ftp to my tablet)	13:47
johnx	I think i could scp out of scratchbox without any additional settings	13:47
johnx	did you try it yet?	13:48
braddbr	yup, it tells me 'no route to host'	13:48
johnx	interesting	13:49
johnx	but it can get out on the internet and do an apt-get update, right?	13:49
braddbr	oh, you mean scp the other way.. i didn't try that..	13:49
johnx	hmm?	13:50
braddbr	i was scp'ing from insdie scratchbox	13:50
braddbr	inside*	13:50
johnx	right...which should work	13:50
johnx	and I was asking "Does apt-get update work in scratchbox?"	13:50
johnx	as in does any networking stuff work inside it?	13:50
braddbr	scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set is what I get	13:51
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florian	johnx: yes it does	13:51
johnx	florian, I was asking braddbr :P	13:51
braddbr	(i'm as CHINOOK_ARMEL target)	13:51
johnx	hmm	13:52
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florian	johnx: ok, don't worry... I take that back and mention that I can't help you ;)	13:53
braddbr	well apt-get update works fine as CHINOOK_X86 target.. trying scp..	13:53
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braddbr	ok, scp works in X86 mode	13:55
johnx	I don't know what causes that other error message but other people seem to have had that problem too	13:55
johnx	I don't have it, so I don't know what it is	13:55
johnx	sorry	13:55
braddbr	ok, another question if you know, chmod a+x test (which is my ARMEL-compiled file) will not set execute permissions..	13:56
braddbr	can i execute this from a ssh'd session to my tablet?	13:56
johnx	you mean, can you copy test to the tablet, then ssh to the tablet and run test? yes	13:57
lardman	can't set permissions on the IT or in scratchbox?	13:57
braddbr	ok, i did that.. but on the tablet i can't set execute for test	13:57
lardman	you know the SD/MMC/whatever they are these days cards have no execute permissions	13:57
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braddbr	(its on /media/mmc2)	13:57
pupnik	locked up vi here lol	13:57
braddbr	ohh	13:57
johnx	aaah	13:58
johnx	good guess lardman :D	13:58
lardman	not a guess, a know :)	13:58
braddbr	so what good is a SD card if i can't execute from it?	13:58
lardman	for storing things?	13:59
lardman	you could always remount the card	13:59
johnx	braddbr, it's not the card, it's the filesystem	13:59
braddbr	oh ok	13:59
lardman	no it's the mount options	13:59
johnx	or rather, it's the options the filesystem is mounted with	13:59
lardman	braddbr: I just tend to sftp to /home/user	13:59
braddbr	ok, i'll do that for now then.. thank you	14:00
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braddbr	woot! my first app 'draw 1000 random squares' works.. thanks for the help guys	14:01
johnx	yay!	14:02
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lardman	pupnik: what does newvox actually do? Pretty picture but no movement I can see	14:05
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pupnik	hit dpad	14:05
lardman	ah	14:05
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lardman	cool :)	14:06
pupnik	after 1993 when comanche was released, a ton of people wrote voxel (heightmap) demos. this is the best one i found	14:06
* lardman dreams of a working powervr		14:06
Alendit_	braddbr, i packaged mokopedia stuff, it's lot easier to install now	14:07
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braddbr	cool, i'll try later when i'm out of programming mode :)	14:08
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Alendit_	someone else who wants to try offline wikipedia? you should have 1gb free space for german version or 3,2gb for the english one	14:09
GeneralAntilles	Wont if be great 8 months from now, when we have a wonderful new N900 without the crippled LCD controller, tons of CPU powers and lots of hardware acceleration? :]	14:10
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johnx	and we'll all get one for free and then fly into the air on rainbows?	14:11
Tama^2	GA: it's getting old ;-P besides what makes you think that the errors of the past wont be repeated?	14:11
GeneralAntilles	and they'll run on the hopes and dreams of little children.	14:11
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: only if there's another discount programme ;-)	14:11
GeneralAntilles	Tama^2, TI has kind forced them into a corner, they don't really have any options for screwing up.	14:12
Tama^2	you are such an idealist ;)	14:12
GeneralAntilles	Tama^2, dreaming never gets old.	14:12
lardman	GeneralAntilles: not including the LCD controller, we already have tons of hw accel, etc. We just can't use it	14:12
johnx	GeneralAntilles, so you think the wimax tablet will have the newer OMAP?	14:12
GeneralAntilles	I dunno about that.	14:12
GeneralAntilles	WiMAX doesn't appeal to me at all, anyway.	14:12
johnx	so you think they'll launch a next gen tablet and a wimax tablet based on the current mainboard?	14:13
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GeneralAntilles	WiMAX is supposed to be Q2 or so, no?	14:13
lardman	limiting factor must be battery life	14:13
lardman	not sure what the mips/watt is for the higher end OMAPS	14:14
GeneralAntilles	The OMAP3 is supposed to be a lot more efficient than OMAP2.	14:14
johnx	efficient != lower power usage	14:15
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, yeah.	14:15
lardman	but it's a start	14:15
johnx	well if it's 4 times faster and twice as efficient...	14:15
lardman	I don't think they need OMAP3 levels of performance really	14:15
lardman	I would like it, but it's not what the tablet's for	14:15
johnx	they just need a webkit browser	14:15
lardman	Give us OpenGL accel for pretty interface, and some improvements to the video player and people will be happy	14:16
johnx	and they need it to be released one year ago	14:16
lardman	:)	14:19
GeneralAntilles	I'm ready for the ultimate Linux-powered hand-sized laptop.	14:21
johnx	I think the problem is we all have a different definition of 'ultimate'	14:21
GeneralAntilles	Which is why Nokia needs to get around to diversifying the product line.	14:22
braddbr	can't forget how	14:22
braddbr	oop	14:22
johnx	GeneralAntilles, a whole product line all based on a 800x480 screen and similar mainboard would be a great idea for Nokia I think	14:23
lardman	GeneralAntilles: we are but a small demographic	14:23
johnx	OT: I'd really like to know the sales numbers on the N800/N810 vs the Zaurus line	14:24
X-Fade	Hehe, it took me 30 minutes to apply a screen protector on my N810 without trapping dust. What a pain ;)	14:24
GeneralAntilles	That's nothing X-Fade.	14:24
GeneralAntilles	Trying doing it for 3 units. ;)	14:24
GeneralAntilles	johnx, random number I read somewhere was in the rough 300-500k range for the N800.	14:24
GeneralAntilles	Seems like it was before the holiday rush, though.	14:25
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Well, I decided that is was OK. There is still some dust between screen and protector, but that will be for another day :)	14:25
johnx	ah, before they swung down to $200 for a while and we got that rush of ... ahem "new users" on itt...	14:25
pupnik	lardman: want to hack the voxel demo? i haven't been figure out how to make it render non-rectangular screens :/	14:26
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pupnik	don't understand the main render loop yet	14:26
lardman	pupnik: I've never done SDL	14:26
* GeneralAntilles starts in on the PTSD flashbacks.		14:26
lardman	pupnik: I think I've got enough to do with fixing my build machine then the DSP stuff	14:26
pupnik	oh it's just a little puzzle - no sdl needed :)	14:26
pupnik	oki :)	14:26
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Alendit_	what do you use to take screenshots on maemo?	14:28
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GeneralAntilles	VNC	14:29
Alendit_	kk	14:30
lardman	Alendit_: I think there's also an application	14:30
lardman	that you can install	14:30
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lcuk_2	load-applet includes a screenshot menu function	14:32
pupnik	woohoo i did it :D	14:32
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lardman	pupnik: fixed your voxel demo?	14:34
lardman	pupnik: isn't a voxel sound anyway?	14:35
pupnik	yeah almost ready for 800x480 test	14:35
pupnik	voxlet is sound	14:35
lardman	ah, ok	14:35
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lardman	pupnik: is your SDL stuff compiled using vfp?	14:39
pupnik	yes	14:39
lardman	static libs built in?	14:39
pupnik	no	14:39
lardman	ah, so on my machine it will be slower as I'm using the default libs (assuming they do some of the floating point arithmetic)	14:40
jott	sdl does not gain much with vfp as there are barely any floatingpoint operations.	14:40
lardman	oh right, ignore my comment then :)	14:40
jott	and most non-opengl graphic effects use fixedpoint anyway ;)	14:40
lardman	ah ok, just a random thought	14:42
pupnik	ok try this one	14:43
pupnik	http://pupnik.de/newvox	14:44
lardman	nice :)	14:46
lardman	now can you do textured terrain?	14:46
pupnik	no i still have a problem with Andrea's core render routine	14:47
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solmumaha	is there a way to do right mouse click with sdl on tablet?	14:58
pupnik	no, you need to implement a toggle	14:58
solmumaha	k	14:59
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\|tbb\|	fantastic four using our tablets ;) - > http://tableteers.last-refuge.net/uploads/pictures/Mr.Fantastic_Nokia770-04.jpg http://tableteers.last-refuge.net/uploads/pictures/Mr.Fantastic_Nokia770-05.jpg	15:09
\|tbb\|	so if you dont know what to do with your n770, now you know, save the world!	15:09
X-Fade	Let me guess. Displaying a JPEG in photoviewer ;)	15:10
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Tak	I'm using mine to destroy the world.	15:14
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jott	why not use it, to TAKE OVER the world :) .. "SEE I CAN LAUNCH ATOMIC WEAPONS WITH THIS DEVICE! [Insert nice red button JPEG] Fulfil my demands!"	15:17
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solmumaha	is click and hold for right mouse a wm thing on maemo?	15:21
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Tak	haha, I made a "Red button" app with rubygame	15:28
X-Fade	Hmm we are hitting the 10K active users on garage.maemo.org!	15:28
X-Fade	9995 at the moment..	15:28
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_collin_	X-Fade: this would account for the bad performance	15:29
X-Fade	_collin_: We are working on that.	15:29
_collin_	X-Fade: I hope so :)	15:30
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Tak	give them a break; the entire site's being served from a 770	15:30
X-Fade	_collin_: Next week we will do a sprint to fix a lot of performance issues.	15:30
_collin_	\|tbb\|: I use my 770 as a an internat radio for my kitchen	15:30
X-Fade	Tak: Beowulf cluster of 770s ofcourse ;)	15:31
_collin_	X-Fade: including the rest of maemo.org or just garage?	15:31
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\|tbb\|	listen internet radio != save the world but anyway good choice	15:31
X-Fade	Maemo.org and garage..	15:31
_collin_	X-Fade: nice!	15:32
X-Fade	_collin_: But I think maemo.org needs it most ;)	15:32
_collin_	X-Fade: are you one of guys to ask for upload permissions for extras repo?	15:32
_collin_	my "customers" repo users keep bugging me to put my stuff on extras	15:33
X-Fade	_collin_: I think I can do that for you, yes. I haven't done that yet, so it would be a nice test :)	15:33
_collin_	:)	15:33
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X-Fade	What is your username?	15:34
_collin_	collin	15:34
X-Fade	obvious question ;)	15:34
_collin_	collin[at]betaversion.net	15:34
X-Fade	_collin_: I _think_ I have just invited you ;) Check your mail..	15:35
_collin_	got it	15:36
X-Fade	Please let me know if you run into problems. I'm currently working on new proposals for extras.	15:36
_collin_	X-Fade: arg my gpg key is at home	15:37
_collin_	will do signup tonight	15:37
X-Fade	I'm going to push all required changes to make extras the way the community wants it..	15:37
_collin_	X-Fade: your email address	15:37
_collin_	?	15:37
Tak	hah, the community doesn't know what it wants, for the most part	15:38
_collin_	ok	15:38
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X-Fade	Tak, well. Let's try to figure that out and make it work :)	15:39
X-Fade	Tak: Andrew Flegg had some nice points and I think we should work them out.. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-January/013889.html	15:40
Tak	yes, he did	15:40
* Tak followed that thread closely		15:40
Tak	I'm levi bard, btw	15:41
X-Fade	Nokia gave me time to work on things like that, so I intend to make things work..	15:41
X-Fade	I'm Niels Breet, the front page announcement one ;)	15:41
johnx	that's really good news	15:41
GeneralAntilles	Have any N810 user's tried the gpsd patch that's in bugzilla?	15:46
* \|tbb\| dont		15:47
lcuk_2	i was gonna try it last night but it would stioll have taken time, ant i will put 810 in postition this evening and run 2 test: time to first wake, then power down and a few minutes later do it again. then i will repeat after installing. all from same location	15:48
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I just had my first fix after about 10 minutes. Let me see how long it takes after a cold boot now.	15:48
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Without that patch..	15:48
GeneralAntilles	ITT seems to be reporting positively.	15:48
lcuk_2	as in marked as FIXED? or just a feeling that its better	15:49
GeneralAntilles	People who have applied the patch are reporting much better results.	15:49
* lcuk_2 wonders if he will be able to get to local shop with gps now		15:50
* GeneralAntilles is thankful for his i-blue.		15:50
\|tbb\|	my fix isnt that bad like all reported, if i use it often	15:50
\|tbb\|	but it might be better after that patch, which will be fine	15:51
Tama^2	not sure who was interested in this before: http://www.drlinux.it/maemo/battery_consumption.html	15:52
GeneralAntilles	Where's the graphs? :P	15:52
Tama^2	>.<	15:52
Tama^2	no time!	15:52
Tama^2	but will get there :P	15:52
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X-Fade	4 minutes to fix after cold boot, without the patch.	15:54
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Tak	pupnik: I want you to know that I'm not flaming you... ;-)	15:55
GeneralAntilles	afaik, the device will cycle in and out of idle mode quite rapidly.	15:55
Tama^2	yes, it should	15:56
Tama^2	but to avoid waking it up too often I set the sampling interval to 60 minutes	15:56
pupnik	ok	15:56
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pupnik	but lookit... i'm getting 20fps now :P http://pupnik.de/newvox	15:56
Tak	excellent	15:57
GeneralAntilles	That is disturbingly high power usage for the SD cards.	15:57
\|tbb\|	pupnik: whats that newvox?	15:57
Tama^2	GeneralAntilles, they are 2x16Gb	15:58
pupnik	a little demo program \|tbb\|	15:58
Tak	Tama^2: wow, that is disturbing	15:58
GeneralAntilles	I want some comparison tests from other people on that now. :<	15:59
Tak	I'm almost sure it's not that way for 770	15:59
* GeneralAntilles is way to much of an addict to let his idle for 10 hours.		15:59
\|tbb\|	could anyone know a guide which show me how to use internet on a tablet while its connected to nix box via usb cable	15:59
Tama^2	well, IF the OS put them sleep when going idle the power consumption would go down dramatically (10 times)	15:59
Tama^2	I am going to try with other SD cards	16:00
Tama^2	I am sure the ones I used are hogs...	16:00
Tama^2	they were the first 16Gb I could get my hands on	16:00
GeneralAntilles	Is there something to log to watch if they switch on and off?	16:00
Tama^2	I will try the one that comes with the device and a 4Gb one	16:00
Tama^2	GeneralAntilles: They do not because I have unmounted them in test #4 nd verified at the ned they were stiull unmounted	16:01
GeneralAntilles	Tama^2, you might get in touch will Milhouse for some more data.	16:01
Tama^2	still I will augment the script to log: lsof, ps aux, dmesg and mmc presence flags	16:02
GeneralAntilles	s/will/with/	16:02
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Tama^2, you might get in touch with Milhouse for some more data.	16:02
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Tama^2	Who's Milhouse? :)	16:02
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\|tbb\|	oh bad cant using mmc1 card content when i am using the device with usbnet ;(	16:03
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=129224&postcount=3	16:04
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Tama^2	GeneralAntilles: thanks	16:04
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Tama^2	nite, ciao	16:24
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b0unc3	guys, http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ <- someone has confirmed(tested) it ?	16:41
cizarro	silly question. how do I support both WPA1 and WPA2 (PSK)?	16:41
cizarro	is psk2 enough?	16:41
X-Fade	b0unc3: I'm testing it at the moment, but it doesn't seem to be doing much for me..	16:44
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Solarion	what needs to be done to have maemo do dynamic WEP?	16:45
Solarion	'cause it's probably easier than convincing my university to switch their assinine infrastructure	16:46
pupnik	Solarion: perhaps you fan find an answer there http://www.internettablettalk.com/	16:47
pupnik	or on the wiki	16:47
cizarro	heh, I just now noticed that this was completely wrong channel :-)	16:47
Solarion	pupnik: Maybe I didn't make it clear; I'm willing to hack	16:48
Solarion	I've done some c and g*, and want to make this happen	16:48
pupnik	ok well i don't know what that is	16:48
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Solarion	g* is gobject, glib, gtk, etc. I'm a novice, but I've done a bit	16:49
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Blafasel	b0unc3: Just testing it.	16:52
Blafasel	Looks neat, though	16:52
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Blafasel	Give me 5min	16:52
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b0unc3	Ok people, let us know! :P	16:54
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Blafasel	Just started the default maps app	16:55
Tak	Solarion: unrelated to dynamic wep, you should check out http://live.gnome.org/Vala	16:56
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johnx	Solarion, I'm not that familiar with Nokia's wireless setup, but maybe I can at least give you some search terms to start on and a couple links	16:57
massoud	Hi there, my N770 screen is doing weird stuff	16:58
johnx	wlancond appears to be their wifi handling daemon	16:58
massoud	http://carcelle.fu8.com/DSC01044.JPG	16:58
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johnx	massoud, that does't look good at all :(	16:58
massoud	johnx : thanks	16:58
massoud	:)	16:58
massoud	it happened suddenly	16:59
Tak	eek - does it persist after reset?	16:59
b0unc3	massoud: wosd	16:59
b0unc3	wsod*	16:59
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massoud	wsod ?	16:59
X-Fade	Looks like display connector problem..	16:59
johnx	Solarion, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html might help a little as well	16:59
lardman	xinerama was the way	17:00
_collin_	Wsomthing Screen Of Death	17:00
b0unc3	massoud: white screen of death :(	17:00
johnx	lardman, ah, glad to hear it :)	17:00
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massoud	xinerama ?	17:00
massoud	I hope it was not a WSOD	17:00
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lardman	massoud: had to reinstall Linux, trying to get my 3 monitors working	17:01
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johnx	Solarion, and if you can't make Nokia's stuff play nice there is a patch to the wireless driver (cx3110x) that enables enough of Linux wext to make normal wpa_supplicant work. From their any network that can be accessed with wpa_supplicant is fair game	17:02
massoud	lardman : and after reinstall went back well ?	17:02
lardman	http://pastebin.ca/891292	17:02
lardman	yep, after lots of fiddling about with the modelines :(	17:02
dragorn	Solarion: there were patches floating around the cx3110 mailing list to enable wpa_supplication in some fashion. You're going to have to do something like that and rebuild the OSS part of the wifi drivers, and use that to configure things instead, right now the advanced wireless stuff is all inside closed source blobs	17:02
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johnx	Solarion, patch for wext here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html	17:02
johnx	the patch that dragorn is talking about is the one I just linked :)	17:03
johnx	lardman, hey, at least you didn't have to write a modeline :P	17:03
Blafasel	Seems to work for me, b0unc3	17:04
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b0unc3	Blafasel: really ?	17:05
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Blafasel	Yes?	17:06
massoud	do you think I have a WOSD then guys ?	17:06
DaniloCesar	Is there a way to put "Brightness Period" = Infinite in N800 (OS2008) ?	17:06
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DaniloCesar	I need that bright period last forever... ;)	17:07
lardman	johnx: there was a handy tool available already to calculate them	17:07
johnx	DaniloCesar, will you settle for arbitrarily long?	17:07
X-Fade	DaniloCesar: If you connect the charger, it is easy. Otherwise you need a script to keep the timeout busy..	17:07
massoud	it seems that when I plug the power cable I get the screen back at the boot at least	17:07
smackpotat1	massoud i disasempled the 770 to check conections for a problem i eventually had to send for repair	17:07
massoud	is there a clue with the amps delivered by the batt ?	17:07
DaniloCesar	X-Fade, without the charger....	17:08
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johnx	DaniloCesar, there's a way to add other arbitrary timeouts with gconf	17:08
massoud	smackpota1 : with/without waranty ?	17:08
johnx	so you could at least set it for 24 hours ...	17:08
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smackpotat1	it washedwarantyed	17:09
DaniloCesar	johnx, hummmmmmm...... 20 minutes is good for me ;)	17:09
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smackpotat1	it was warrented	17:09
DaniloCesar	johnx, is there a tutorial?	17:09
johnx	DaniloCesar, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704	17:09
DaniloCesar	Thanks!	17:09
johnx	just a couple lines to run in the terminal	17:09
DaniloCesar	perfect =)	17:09
johnx	something called acmonitor is also in that thread but I believe it won't work with OS2008. the gconf settings work fine in OS2008 however. :)	17:10
dragorn	b0unc3: Significant improvement on my unit	17:10
massoud	http://carcelle.fu8.com/DSC01042.JPG	17:11
massoud	Nice :)	17:11
massoud	at least	17:11
dragorn	b0unc3: of course, it's still a fundamentally broken version of gpsd, but that makes the internal gps usable	17:11
b0unc3	dragorn: good news	17:12
dragorn	b0unc3: Thanks for the link	17:12
DaniloCesar	johnx, acmonitor is one of pupnik's toys, right?	17:12
dragorn	b0unc3: If you're doing GPS stuff tho, beware: GPSD shipped by nokia in os2008 doesn't work :/ (it doesn't properly parse NMEA)	17:12
dragorn	b0unc3: You can still use it in debug mode (r=1) and parse nmea yourself	17:13
johnx	DaniloCesar, it would appear so :)	17:13
DaniloCesar	I used to use it on os2007	17:13
johnx	me too	17:13
johnx	I tried it in OS2008 without any luck	17:13
johnx	it kept randomly waking up the display	17:13
DaniloCesar	I think in to do something like that on my app....	17:14
johnx	using dbus-scripts you might be able to write up a quick replacement	17:14
johnx	I haven't looked at it yet	17:14
johnx	and it's far past my bed time :)	17:14
DaniloCesar	maemo-mapper have something like that... its wake the screen sometimes.... I need to do that on my chord/tabs-app	17:15
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johnx	ah	17:15
johnx	DaniloCesar, mplayer would also have an example of how that's done	17:15
b0unc3	dragorn: ok... but I'm not doing any stuff with GPS... ;)	17:15
dragorn	b0unc3: Well then you won't care :)	17:16
johnx	but anyways, I need to catch some sleep	17:16
johnx	'night all	17:16
DaniloCesar	but my code is on python (I'm refactoring pychord code), maemo-mapper and mplayer is writen in C.....	17:16
DaniloCesar	night!	17:16
b0unc3	dragorn: anyway.. thanks for your info/test ..	17:16
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* DaniloCesar wake up some minutes ago =)		17:16
b0unc3	night johnx	17:16
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Tak	haha, inz's inside my brain	17:17
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Tak	Alterego: is rubyx up yet?	17:19
Tak	or is there an alternate email address? ;-)	17:20
Tak	DaniloCesar: http://tinyurl.com/24macp or http://tinyurl.com/2z3f4y ‽	17:22
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smackpotat1	for massoud	17:27
smackpotat1	http://www.uselessinfo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dismantlen770.htm	17:27
smackpotat1	any kdrive xperts in the room	17:29
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Alterego	Tak, tomorrow. I need to go to my new data centre to sort some new IP allocations then I'm set :D	17:36
X-Fade	Ok, guys. What predections about the next device can we make if we look at a commit message like this? http://cia.vc/stats/project/maemo/.message/b403a6	17:37
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mgedmin	either no bluetooth, or built-in gsm	17:38
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X-Fade	mgedmin: I don't think no bluetooth is an option nowadays..	17:39
mgedmin	what about a hypothetical low-end crippled version of the tablet?	17:40
Tak	crap, are they integrating a phone?	17:40
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matmo	sigh, huff, just exactly what is needed to get an app icon up in the task switcher?	17:40
X-Fade	Or an internet watch ;)	17:40
zoran	wimax, as I see on the net	17:40
inz	matmo, a .desktop file	17:40
matmo	got one	17:40
matmo	icon, got one, service file, got one, update icon cache, done it	17:41
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X-Fade	zoran: Wimax is an option indeed. But I don't think Wimax is global, so why would one remove phone pairing.	17:41
inz	matmo, do you use a wrapper script to start your program?	17:41
matmo	nope, do I need one?	17:41
inz	matmo, or, does your .desktop file have proper Exec= -line	17:41
matmo	yep	17:42
inz	matmo, no, you don't, but they cause problems with the icons	17:42
inz	matmo, what language is your program written in?	17:42
matmo	btw this is in SB	17:42
matmo	C	17:42
inz	matmo, and gtk+?	17:42
matmo	yep	17:42
GeneralAntilles	Obviously that's for the WiMAX tablet.	17:42
inz	matmo, hmm, dat is weird	17:42
inz	matmo, the icon should appear, if the WMClass of a window/program matches that of a .desktop file	17:42
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inz	matmo, and if a .desktop files doesn't explicitly define a WMClass, it is derived from the Exec -line	17:43
massoud	smackpotat1 : thanks, I have my n770 dissambled now and trying to see if I can repair something :(	17:43
inz	matmo, and Gtk+ does it from the program file as well, so if you have Exec=/path/to/your/binary, it _should_ work	17:43
inz	s/file/name/	17:44
matmo	I swear it came up once, last week, but never again. Also I do have the WMClass in the desktop file but not sure exactly what to set it to. Yep I have the exact path in the exec entry (the app does start)	17:44
inz	matmo, the app starts even if the exec entry is broken, if you define a dbus service name in the .desktop file	17:45
matmo	inz: one mo, just answering the phone	17:45
inz	matmo, in that case D-Bus is responsible for starting the program (based on the .service file)	17:45
\|\|cw	rx-48... interesting... according to this http://homepage.mac.com/alvinmok/nokia/firmware.html R means mobile computing device and X means ETACS based devices, which is a 900Mhz network	17:46
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X-Fade	\|\|cw: Nah, rx-34 = 770 and rx-44 = n800..	17:46
\|\|cw	thinking the X means something new to nokia though	17:46
inz	X-Fade, SU-18 = 770, RX-34 = N800, RX-44 = N810	17:47
\|\|cw	X-Fade: that site says the 770 is SU-18	17:47
X-Fade	inz: Uhm yeah, brain fade..	17:47
X-Fade	Inz is right..	17:47
inz	as always ;)	17:47
X-Fade	Yes sir!	17:47
inz	at ease	17:48
\|\|cw	so what's a TME-4?	17:48
matmo	inz: I think I have thrown everything possible in the desktop file. If I remove the dbus service lines and StartupWMClass for now should I still get an icon showing?	17:48
GeneralAntilles	Wonder how different the WiMAX tablet will be.	17:48
Tak	ohh, wimax	17:49
Blafasel	dragorn: What's the matter with the wrong NMEA parsing?	17:49
GeneralAntilles	lol, Tak.	17:49
Tak	I hope it's wimax and not gsm or some BS	17:49
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\|\|cw	unless it has a headset port it would still need bluetooth	17:50
dragorn	Blafasel: Look at the output of PAVM or W=1, alt and fix aren't returned by gpsd properly	17:50
GeneralAntilles	\|\|cw, the phone wizard.	17:50
\|\|cw	but I guess wouldn't need phone pairing	17:50
GeneralAntilles	Seems like you should still be able to pair it	17:50
GeneralAntilles	EDGE in rural areas, etc.	17:50
\|\|cw	but wimax isn't nearly widespread enough that pairing wouldn't still be useful	17:50
GeneralAntilles	Right	17:51
dragorn	Blafasel: But the data is there in the R=1 nmea stream. Which means everyone has to implement local nmea parsers anyhow and gpsd is just acting like a TCP serial mux	17:51
Tak	meh	17:51
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Blafasel	dragorn: I'm not really into gps, just read http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt out of curiousity	17:54
dragorn	Blafasel: Having to rewrite my GPS handler, again, to handle yet another buggy gpsd variant, makes me cranky :P	17:54
matmo	anyone, how to dump something in pastebin?	17:55
lardman	matmo: open webbrowser, copy & paste, click submit	17:55
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X-Fade	dragorn: I have already been trying to reach the person responsible for gpds inside nokia, to speed things up.	17:55
dragorn	Blafasel: If the version strings are to be believed, it's a fairly old gpsd. There have been a number of nmea parsing issues in the past, I'm going to guess nokia just grabbed an old version and never updated it	17:56
lardman	dragorn: so this is definitely a problem with gpsd then?	17:56
X-Fade	dragorn: So I hope it is possible to give the process a push..	17:56
matmo	lardman: is there not a way to do from IRC?	17:56
dragorn	lardman: Looks like it to me. It's not parsing nmea fix/alt strings which are there in the NMEA stream	17:56
lardman	dragorn: ah, I see	17:56
dragorn	lardman: now I'll admit I've been too lazy to try to backtrack what version of gpsd it really is and look at their svn tree forward to see what rev fixed the bug	17:57
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dragorn	lardman: It only hits people using O=1 and PAVM (well, AM) polling	17:57
lardman	dragorn: curious they chose such an old version	17:57
lardman	dragorn: assuming their versioning corresponds that it of course	17:58
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dragorn	lardman: anyone who does R=1 debug mode and locally implements NMEA avoids it since they're not counting on gpsd to do anything but mux nmea to multiple apps. A lot of code uses R=1 anyhow if it predates gpsd supporting sat position reporting.	17:58
X-Fade	lardman: probably because someone started working on it a long time ago..	17:58
matmo	inz: http://pastebin.ca/891348	17:59
dragorn	X-Fade: that's my guess	17:59
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dragorn	I don't believe the version string that says 1.0-foo	17:59
dragorn	But it does say protocol v2	18:00
* mgedmin fondly remembers angband 2.4-frog-knows		18:00
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dragorn	X-Fade: if you have a fast-track to the maemo devs, hassle them about fixing the usb otg interrupt read dma issue too :P	18:01
lardman	in TODO it says: "*** There's a report that RoyalTek support broke between 2.25 and 2.28 "	18:01
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X-Fade	dragorn: I don't think I have a fast-track, but who knows..	18:02
lardman	dragorn: First entry in the debian/changelog is "Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:18:56 +0200"	18:02
lardman	ah-ha, same file: osso-gpsd is now forked from gpsd-2.32	18:03
matmo	anyone else see what's wrong with that desktop/service file?	18:04
lardman	Doesn't the Exec line have to be a single binary name, no path?	18:05
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matmo	lardman: one mo, I'll try that variation	18:05
dragorn	lardman: i don't recall anything in the late 20s until 34 actually working for any hw I had :P	18:06
dragorn	lardman: but that's anecdotal	18:06
lardman	dragorn: I've not looked into gpsd since ~2004	18:07
matmo	lardman: u r a superstar! ty ty	18:08
lardman	dragorn: this mean anything to you? "Last saved report now contains accumulated value for "set" field."	18:08
lardman	matmo: np	18:08
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lardman	matmo: you might want to place your binary in /usr/bin though as /usr/local/bin is not in the path; that or use a symlink/script to call it	18:08
dragorn	lardman: not offhand	18:08
lardman	dragorn: I'm just wondering what those files contain, other than lots of 0x00 in the case of the last saved report	18:09
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dragorn	lardman: Honestly, the latest GPSD release has issues with fix, too, since it can report a lat/lon field with no fix (since that NMEA sentence doesn't include 2d/3d fix info) and then report it again with a fix when it sees another NMEA sentence two lines down, so it jitters all over. They have a fix for it, but requires every app be modified since it's a per-connection enable.	18:10
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matmo	lardman: ok	18:11
lardman	dragorn: but the file it writes should be ok as long as the fix does actually become a decent 3D one before gpsdriver is closed	18:11
dragorn	lardman: File it writes to?	18:12
* dragorn does no file interaction with gpsd		18:12
lardman	dragorn: ah, /var/lib/gps/	18:12
dragorn	lardman: News to me	18:12
lardman	dragorn: these are written by gpsdriver	18:12
dragorn	lardman: All the code I've seen talks sockets	18:12
dragorn	lardman: You really don't want all your code thrashing a file open per second to get gps state	18:13
lardman	dragorn: my interest is in why the locks take so long, so the file that gpsdriver (presumably) writes the last saved location to when it shuts down is of interest	18:13
lardman	dragorn: not sure this would be affected by the leap year problem though	18:14
dragorn	lardman: Ahh. Well, the gpsd patch regarding the leap year thing sure evened out the lock time on my unit.	18:14
dragorn	lardman: The problems I have with gpsd are runtime, in that it doesn't work as a gps daemon :P They're all post-lock.	18:14
dragorn	(by whatever mechanism it determines lock with independent of how it reports lock, it would seem)	18:15
lardman	dragorn: I'll see what results I get with the new gpsd	18:15
lardman	~lart closed source components	18:16
* infobot gives closed source components an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending closed source components to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple		18:16
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lardman	dragorn: Looking at that NMEA doc (http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt) I see mention of an FAA mode indicator, does this not differentiate between a 2D and 3D lock?	18:41
lardman	dragorn: or is dead reckoning something other than a 2D lock?	18:41
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dragorn	lardman: GPGSA, field 3. Sat status sentence, the gpsd mode appears to be directly derived from this when available and indirectly somehow when not	18:43
dragorn	lardman: http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm	18:43
dragorn	lardman: in newcore, and in kismet-stable svn with R=1 mode in the gps code, I use gpgsa to get the fix	18:44
Blafasel	kismet. sigh	18:45
lardman	dragorn: what do you use to look at your NMEA data, other than telnet?	18:45
dragorn	Blafasel: Hm?	18:45
dragorn	lardman: on the 810? telnet localhost 2947 then issue gpsd commands	18:46
Blafasel	dragorn: Ah, nothing. Just reminds me of my wild "Let's get this toy and run around with kismet and aircrack" dreams. Hrmpf..	18:46
lardman	dragorn: ok, that's easy enough	18:46
dragorn	Blafasel: Aircrack, no	18:46
dragorn	Blafasel: Kismet, yes, if you build it out of svn	18:46
Blafasel	Yeah, but that kind of defies the purpose for me ;)	18:46
massoud	Guys, how much roughly costs a WSOD repair/fix operation you think ?	18:46
dragorn	Blafasel: after much kluging around the device being a pain in the ass, it works	18:47
dragorn	Blafasel: aircrack would require injection-capable drivers to be reasonable. Or a USB wireless NIC.	18:47
* Tak suspect more than a new 770		18:47
Blafasel	dragorn: Yep, I know. That's what the sigh expressed in one emote ;)	18:47
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pupnik	i think i found yet another crazy problem with SDL and Xsp.	18:51
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pupnik	wb jott	18:51
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jott	hello	18:52
Tak	hooray!	18:52
Tak	what's the problem?	18:52
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pupnik	when i set video mode to 400x240, i only get a 400x240 window	18:53
pupnik	and the stuff inside that is pixel doubled	18:53
pupnik	when i set video mode to 800x480 and then just updaterect a 400x240 portion of that (my game screen) sdl is blitting the whole 800x480 window	18:53
pupnik	i can tell because it's about 1/2 as slow as when i do a 400x240 window without xsp	18:54
Tak	iirc it depends on the order in which you enable doubling and set the video mode	18:54
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pupnik	ohh	18:55
Tak	also, if it were actually blitting the entire window, it would be at least 4x as slow	18:55
Tak	maybe there's some overhead on the hardware side?	18:55
pupnik	well there's game stuff happening also	18:56
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pupnik	Tak that did it thanks!	18:58
pupnik	now up to 60fps	18:58
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smackpotat1	massoud: even though mine was a warrenty repair they stated $110 on the import papers	18:59
Tak	hooray!	18:59
Tak	now fix my gngeo buttons on os2008 :-P	19:00
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pupnik	L/	19:01
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matmo	what size application icons does hildon actual need?	19:05
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pupnik	duno	19:07
pupnik	ok now the doubling breaks again, running a second time	19:07
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SmackPotat	can someone take a look at some code which is my beginning for a virtual trackball to see if I'm barking up the right tree	19:11
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massoud	smackpotat1 : it s then worth buying a new one on ebay and get started again :)	19:28
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SmackPotat	massoud here is something else you can try leave the battery out for 24 hours. but this is just s guess	19:34
SmackPotat	if your buying anouther id go for the n800	19:35
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eichi	hello	19:41
eichi	i have internet connection with wlan to my n800. can i give internet connection to my handy, connected by bluetooth?	19:42
Proteous	handy?	19:43
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keesj	eichi: in theory yes, but I don't think there is a ready made packages for that (the moost obious missing feature is iptables i think	19:43
keesj	I even guess that doing the "server part of" might be a good start http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO-BluetoothNetworking	19:44
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* Tak flame lazy bastards on ITT		19:47
pupnik	Tak: i can take a look at gngeo now - maybe i find something	19:48
pupnik	svn?	19:48
Tak	https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3253/gngeo_0.7maemo-2.tar.gz is the current code	19:49
Tak	soft_init() in src/blitter/soft.c	19:50
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pupnik	ok	19:56
pupnik	http://pupnik.de/newvox2x is the xsp version ... 60+ fps :)	19:57
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pupnik	Tak: configure: error: conditional "HAVE_LIBXSP" was never defined	19:59
pupnik	do you know what this is?	20:00
Tak	--enable-n770 --enable-cyclone --enable-drz80	20:01
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massoud	SmackPotat : I try this one :)	20:02
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pupnik	Tak: do i need to have an env variable for XSP_CFLAGS set?	20:03
pupnik	checking for XSP... configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it	20:03
pupnik	is in your path...	20:04
pupnik	which pkg-config	20:04
pupnik	/scratchbox/tools/bin/pkg-config	20:04
pupnik	pkg-config --cflags "xsp" returns blank	20:05
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pupnik	got all the xsp packages installed too	20:06
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dphil9000	eichi: i just set up bluetooth networking almost the same way you described	20:34
Tak	Xsp	20:34
Tak	err, nvm, that's not right	20:35
Tak	yeah, the pkg-config cflags for xsp are empty	20:35
Tak	try --libs	20:35
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b0unc3	uhmm... my menu open up at random time without any touch... might the screen protector cause this?	20:39
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mgedmin	hmm	20:40
lcuk_2	check you have not got any grit caught in the gutter at the side of your screen	20:40
mgedmin	my menu sometimes pops up when I'm touching something on the other side of the screen	20:40
mgedmin	checking for grit might be a good idea -- I'm sure my n800 has plenty	20:40
lcuk_2	this is especially if its a new occurance, however if its done it since you got screen protector that might also be the answer	20:41
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b0unc3	I think is the screen protector... it's not placed very well...	20:42
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b0unc3	btw I will check for grit	20:42
b0unc3	also the touch is acting strange...	20:43
lcuk_2	if its still doing it after taking off the protector and recalibrated, it might be busted	20:44
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X3N	Where can i find python-gtk for os 2008 ?	20:50
b0unc3	damn!! it was the screen protector!!.. incredible...	20:53
BugBlue	you have to pull that off...	20:53
b0unc3	already pulled off... now I'm just burning it :P	20:55
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* Alendit_ is sad because noone wants to test mokopedia :(		21:08
Alendit_	^^	21:08
elb	... in 8 minutes	21:09
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X3N	woo i've only had my n800 for a week and i've already broken it	21:10
X3N	software wise	21:11
Alendit_	it's what a linux device made for ;)	21:11
darkip	anyone else tried the new gpsd fix for the n810?	21:11
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X3N	Alendit_, yeah i guess so	21:12
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X3N	pain in the arse though	21:13
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timelyx	anyone here know wazd?	22:36
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keesj	how does the package-dbg magic (not) work?	22:43
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timelyx	you need maemo-debug-scripts	22:45
timelyx	or else it doesn't work in sbox	22:45
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zeenix	timelyx: you got a mail	23:06
X3N	are maemo.org admins aware of the site problems ?	23:07
Jaffa	X3N: which site problems? (And probably not given it was OK at the CoB UK time, so well-past CoB .fi)	23:09
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timelyx	zeenix: thanks	23:10
timelyx	Jaffa: it's only past 11pm localtime	23:11
timelyx	why wouldn't they be awake 6 hours after business hours? :)	23:11
Jaffa	They may be awake, but they may well be drinking a beer; having a sauna; doing some Finnish	23:11
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timelyx	zeenix: got it, thanks	23:12
* timelyx tries to decide how to parse "doing some Finnish"		23:12
keesj	perhaps carnival	23:12
Jaffa	s/some/Â$&thing/	23:12
infobot	Jaffa meant: They may be awake, but they may well be drinking a beer; having a sauna; doing Â$&thing Finnish	23:12
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Jaffa	bah, infobot doesn't parse regexps properly ;-)	23:12
timelyx	^A $ & eh?	23:12
Jaffa	The ^A was a mistyped £. Shift-3 & Shift-4 are remarkably close	23:13
X3N	Jaffa, I'm getting a very slow connection when i do, and sometimes i'm just getting squid errors	23:13
suihkulokki	considering that this winter isn't good for ice fishing, "doing something finnish" means sauna or/and beer	23:13
timelyx	Jaffa: oob	23:13
Jaffa	suihkulokki: I was in Iceland the other weekend; much fun drinking vodka. Rotten shark: not so good.	23:14
Jaffa	X3N: any URL in particular? http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ - for example - works for me	23:14
timelyx	fwiw, i've made http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-googlesearch-0.1.deb	23:15
timelyx	in case people have nothing better to do than install a deb to change a pref :)	23:15
X3N	that url is fine, it's mainly http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 though it's working now for me	23:15
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X3N	w00t just got my google calendar to sync with gpe calendar :)	23:56
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