| lcuk | NOOO your tablet should never be "in beer" | 00:00 |
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| penguinbait | trade tablet at pub for guiness | 00:00 |
| penguinbait | lots of guiness | 00:00 |
| darkip | better be a damn lot'o'beer for my n810 | 00:00 |
| lcuk | i dont think theres enough beer been brewed for make me give away this thing. | 00:01 |
| darkip | ooh i dunno... | 00:01 |
| darkip | a massive keg maybe... | 00:01 |
| lophyte | hrm... | 00:01 |
| lcuk | but does a keg run linux? | 00:01 |
| penguinbait | lifetime supply | 00:01 |
| lophyte | I think the buttons are one of /dev/input/eventN | 00:01 |
| lophyte | the question is, how to configure X to look there | 00:01 |
| penguinbait | all you can drink? | 00:01 |
| darkip | someone must have made one which does | 00:01 |
| lcuk | can it answer lifes questions whilst snuggled up in bed with your loved one? | 00:02 |
| penguinbait | I'd buy a new one :) | 00:02 |
| darkip | my loved one steals mine to play mahjong | 00:02 |
| lcuk | lolololol darkip - snap | 00:02 |
| lcuk | and then she wont give it back | 00:02 |
| darkip | i hold the record though | 00:02 |
| darkip | ~3:30 | 00:02 |
| lcuk | i had to learn all about ssh and scp just to get a go | 00:02 |
| darkip | she's gutted | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | on a dark and cold evening when you find yourself asking the strangest questions this little nokia has saved us the hassle of getting out of bed turning on monitor blinding ourselves falling over the cat just to ask almighty google something | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:05 |
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| pupnik | that blerb is possibly the best ad copy i've ever seen for a tablet | 00:05 |
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| darkip | nope, i'm going with IRC on the toilet ;) | 00:06 |
| penguinbait | heh | 00:06 |
| penguinbait | I was wondering about the smell | 00:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Porcelain Throne Computer | 00:07 |
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| maddler | heya penguinbait! my hero! :D | 00:11 |
| maddler | and evening all as well! :D | 00:11 |
| darkip | evening... | 00:12 |
| penguinbait | :) | 00:12 |
| * mardi__ has PB down as a hero too | 00:14 | |
| penguinbait | I am no hero, Linus is the hero! | 00:15 |
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| penguinbait | I am lowly penguin bait :) | 00:16 |
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| maddler | penguinbait: ok...you are not an hero :D | 00:31 |
| maddler | penguinbait: but let me thank you anyway :D | 00:31 |
| * maddler is installing his new laptop :D | 00:32 | |
| fugitivo | anyone with Asus Eee? | 00:32 |
| maddler | fugitivo: not me (yet) | 00:33 |
| fugitivo | i think i'm going to buy one | 00:33 |
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| maddler | I was considering it too... but just changed my mind... | 00:33 |
| maddler | just bought a 13.3 laptop for almost same price...\ | 00:33 |
| maddler | and I have the n810... | 00:34 |
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| |tbb| | hi all | 00:49 |
| |tbb| | maddler: r u around | 00:49 |
| |tbb| | have you fixed continues reboot loop | 00:49 |
| |tbb| | i had disabled lifeguard thing, but now white screen, cant ssh into it cause it wont automaticly connect to my ap | 00:50 |
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| |tbb| | any way to save data from / | 00:50 |
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| elb | ugh my order is backordered | 00:55 |
| * elb cuts letstalk.com | 00:55 | |
| elb | they didn't feel the need to tell me that *yesterday* | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | letstalk is such a joke. | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia really shoulda just dealt with people direct. | 00:56 |
| elb | I have to assume there is a reason they did not | 00:56 |
| elb | but for only 500 users ... I'm surprised | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure there are reasons, but still. :P | 00:56 |
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| xment | I have a small problem: n800 (with OS2008) when connected to adapter says 'Not charging' after about 2 minutes of 'Charging'. Any suggestions? | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia adaptor? | 00:58 |
| xment | yep, the original one | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Not Charging" is usually under or over voltage. | 00:58 |
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| xment | I've tested it on three different power networks | 00:59 |
| elb | is it being used out of its home country? | 01:00 |
| elb | that doesn't usually matter any more, but ... I do have a Sony charger from Japan that occasionally rebells at US voltages | 01:00 |
| xment | there's "Mady in china" written on adaptor so I guess yes | 01:02 |
| |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: any idea if its possible to tell the device with flasher or so it shoult try to connect to an ap if its available | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Highly doubtful. | 01:03 |
| xment | but it's standard middle-europe plug and I've bought it in this country | 01:03 |
| |tbb| | if i hit power button i get the dialog of shutting down and so, but everything else is white | 01:04 |
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| b0unc3 | someone have tried debian-arm ? | 01:14 |
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| johnx | I tried it :) | 01:14 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: :P | 01:14 |
| johnx | have a question about it? | 01:15 |
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| b0unc3 | johnx: yes... in the wiki I read "Simply untar this onto an empty ext2/3 partition." so I need an extra partition? | 01:16 |
| johnx | yeah | 01:16 |
| johnx | do you have boot from SD setup? | 01:16 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: yes | 01:16 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: you are refferring to the same partition from which I boot or another one ? | 01:17 |
| johnx | it needs a completely blank ext2 parition that you can boot from the bootmenu | 01:18 |
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| b0unc3 | uhm... ok ... maybe I understand :P | 01:19 |
| johnx | you can backup your SD card and put debian on the parition you already have | 01:19 |
| maddler | |tbb|: alive? | 01:20 |
| |tbb| | yeah | 01:20 |
| |tbb| | with my white shiny n810 | 01:21 |
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| maddler | sad... | 01:21 |
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| maddler | btw... if you haven't auto connection... sad but true... I cannot see a way to recover w/o flashing | 01:21 |
| |tbb| | --boot, -b [arg] Boot the kernel with optional cmdline whats that | 01:22 |
| |tbb| | flasher utility says | 01:22 |
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| |tbb| | recover means lost data then, right | 01:24 |
| maddler | unless you don't have a recent backup... | 01:24 |
| |tbb| | so then lets go | 01:25 |
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| maddler | brb | 01:26 |
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| fugitivo | damn | 01:33 |
| fugitivo | My nokia n810 is backordered!!! | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I read that as "backdoored". | 01:34 |
| fugitivo | lol | 01:34 |
| b0unc3 | rotfl | 01:34 |
| |tbb| | fugitivo: youve got it allready? | 01:35 |
| maddler | GeneralAntilles: hehehe... | 01:35 |
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| fugitivo | I placed the order yesterday in the USA store, I'm checking the order status now and it says "backordered" | 01:36 |
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| |tbb| | wow 313kb downloading latest fw rls | 01:38 |
| fugitivo | ETA: Feb 12 2008 | 01:38 |
| fugitivo | that sucks | 01:38 |
| fugitivo | i waited that long for this | 01:39 |
| lcuk | that sux to be honest. was there a similar program for 770->800 release and was it as long and drawn out as this | 01:40 |
| maddler | nokia strategy for n810 is... err... odd! | 01:41 |
| maddler | at least... | 01:41 |
| fugitivo | they should give priority to developers... | 01:41 |
| maddler | absolutely... but they didn't... | 01:41 |
| lcuk | they should give developers access to the devices when they go on sale in the country | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | didnt america get this device first yet they are waiting longest | 01:42 |
| * Mousey still wants freeciv for os2008 | 01:43 | |
| * Mousey lives in a minority world. | 01:43 | |
| * Mousey cries | 01:43 | |
| * Mousey lurks longer | 01:43 | |
| * Mousey ^_^ | 01:43 | |
| fugitivo | I'm from Argentina, and they don't sell the device here, getting it from USA is a pain in the ass... | 01:43 |
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| |tbb| | i wonder really what nokia got on their mind to let developers wait that long | 01:43 |
| lcuk | fugitivo, how do you even manage it, here in england (without dev discount) credit card address had to match delivery address | 01:44 |
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| lcuk | mousey - how well did it play on old devices | 01:45 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: last question... there is any log if it dosen't starts? | 01:45 |
| fugitivo | lcuk, that's the problem, a friend of mine lives in the USA and he bought it for me but he's comming here on feb 1st and ETA is feb 12... so, I don't know how I'll send it to my country | 01:45 |
| johnx | b0unc3, usb networking should be up from ~15 seconds after you it starts booting | 01:46 |
| johnx | b0unc3, did it not boot? or is that just a hypothetical question? | 01:46 |
| lcuk | fugitivo, no doubt about it, your friend will have to time travel. | 01:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, it's out. | 01:48 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: seems not to boot | 01:48 |
| fugitivo | I'm so pissed off with this issue | 01:49 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: it is?! | 01:49 |
| johnx | darn | 01:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on ITT. | 01:49 |
| * |tbb| says bye bye to his scripts and hello to naked n810 | 01:49 | |
| fugitivo | and I have a 770, no n800 so I can't test my chinook apps in a real device | 01:49 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: btw... I'm testing it on a 770 | 01:49 |
| johnx | aaaah | 01:49 |
| * Mousey excercizes his googlefingers | 01:49 | |
| johnx | b0unc3, you might be more interested in this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13925&highlight=debian+770 | 01:50 |
| Mousey | *ahem* | 01:50 |
| * Mousey googlepaws | 01:50 | |
| johnx | if you want something that works | 01:50 |
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| johnx | b0unc3, once you've given it a couple minutes you could take out the card and look at the logs under /var/log | 01:51 |
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| b0unc3 | johnx: ok, thanks | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.imrahil.com/_temp/freeciv_2.0.8-3_armel.deb | 01:51 |
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| johnx | actually...I know why usb networking won't come up for you: wrong module version | 01:51 |
| johnx | take g_ether.ko from the /mnt/initfs on your 770 and drop it in /root/modules on the card, replacing the g_ether.ko that's there | 01:52 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: TY! just found the thread | 01:52 |
| johnx | that might at least let you telnet to it | 01:52 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: ok, I will try | 01:52 |
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| DaniloCesar | gnuit | 01:55 |
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| |tbb| | i didnt had a backup on n810 ;( | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | |tbb| is living proof that (a0 men cry, and (B) backups are required. | 01:56 |
| lcuk | hlost much? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | -typos | 01:57 |
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| |tbb| | and (c) never touch a running system | 01:57 |
| johnx | PSA: everyone should boot from SD card | 01:57 |
| |tbb| | was it moddest upgrade or rtfcom | 01:58 |
| lcuk | what did you do to make it boom | 01:58 |
| |tbb| | upgraded modest email client and rtfcomm beta but i did a long time no reboot so then it could also be any other thing | 01:59 |
| lcuk | ive heard lots about this rfcomm or something making people reflash. if it was a windows problem ppl would be up in arms. on here everyone seems to take it with a pinch of salt | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm, lcuk. :P | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's what people get for running REAL betas. :D | 02:00 |
| |tbb| | is it normal the led indicator which should lighten blue has a green corner | 02:00 |
| lcuk | i know i wont be touching this r*comm thing even if it promises magical powers | 02:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's installed right now. | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Comes with the OS. | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The problem is with the beta release. | 02:00 |
| lcuk | then i shant be upgrading it | 02:01 |
| lcuk | what does it give anyway? | 02:01 |
| johnx | magical powers | 02:01 |
| lcuk | longer erections? | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | libpurple for the built-in chat client, basically. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be quite fantastic once it's at final. | 02:01 |
| lcuk | isnt beta meant to be "a bit buggy but basically there". this is kindof alpha stage sounding code | 02:02 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: there is a root password configured ? | 02:02 |
| johnx | b0unc3, now that you mention it...I don't know | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, only if you're google. | 02:02 |
| * lcuk releases beta code to clients for testing final bits of layout | 02:03 | |
| johnx | well, the problem is the overreacting watchdog | 02:03 |
| lcuk | it does sound worrying - i gather the devs of ftcomm know about all these failures | 02:03 |
| * johnx wants a watch-zebra :| | 02:03 | |
| lcuk | rtcomm | 02:03 |
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| |tbb| | beta is what microsoft do all the time | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, hardly. | 02:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Try booting it without the watchdog. | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | You never get a desktop. :P | 02:04 |
| johnx | ah, wow. | 02:04 |
| b0unc3 | ok, I'm in :P | 02:04 |
| johnx | b0unc3, woo! | 02:04 |
| johnx | what did you have to do to make it work? | 02:04 |
| |tbb| | is it normal the led indicator which should lighten blue has a green corner | 02:04 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: I have replaced the g_ether module and now... root@mytablet:/# | 02:06 |
| b0unc3 | but screen is still blank :( | 02:06 |
| johnx | yeah, you'll probably need the 770 version of Xomap | 02:06 |
| lcuk | tbb, its different colors depending on what its indicating. check the nokia manual for which colors mean which | 02:06 |
| lcuk | i disabled all of them so i dunno | 02:06 |
| b0unc3 | woow wifi seems to work too :P | 02:07 |
| |tbb| | its blue on the upper side and on the downer its green and it looks like defect ting | 02:07 |
| johnx | b0unc3, on the wiki page I put up, look for dpkg-repack | 02:08 |
| johnx | you can use it to make a debian package of xserver-xomap from your rootfs | 02:08 |
| lcuk | tbb, on 810? | 02:08 |
| |tbb| | yes | 02:09 |
| johnx | er "...from your internal flash (IT200xOS) | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | WTF is an "IT200xOS"? :P | 02:09 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: yes.. I'm just trying | 02:10 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, then WTH do we the OS on the tablet, in general, non version specific terms? | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITOS200x | 02:10 |
| johnx | :P | 02:11 |
| unique311 | x = # | 02:11 |
| unique311 | 6 7 8 | 02:11 |
| unique311 | guessing | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5 | 02:11 |
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| johnx | b0unc3, I think I need to fix the instructions for how to use dpkg-repack...the equivs trick didn't work when I tried it again | 02:12 |
| * lcuk cannot make his glowing end throb | 02:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | <_> | 02:13 |
| johnx | I have no idea why but you'll probably have to dpkg-repack xserver-xomap and, extract the deb, in it's control file change tslib to libts0 and repack it | 02:14 |
| lcuk | ahhh made it go green + blue at same time | 02:14 |
| johnx | the dependencies *should* work out without doing that, but they don't | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | urg - just by rebooting battery indicator went from 1 pixel from full to 1 pixel from bottom | 02:15 |
| pupnik | wow thanks for mentioning dpkg-repack | 02:15 |
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| b0unc3 | johnx: but dpkg-repack it's not installed 'by default' ? | 02:16 |
| johnx | no | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the battery monitor is disturbingly awesome. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't trust it. O_o | 02:17 |
| johnx | b0unc3, needed to cut down how big the tarball was | 02:17 |
| johnx | and dpkg-repack pulls in lots of depends on the dpkg-dev stuff | 02:17 |
| lcuk | it sticks at the top until you shake the device. | 02:17 |
| johnx | lcuk, well you're shaking the eletricities out of it! | 02:18 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows dbus-scripts from graham cobb? | 02:18 |
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| b0unc3 | johnx: yeah... I see.. 40MB... | 02:18 |
| lcuk | am i the only one with a creaky back plate on the 810 | 02:18 |
| johnx | creaky? mine doesn't make noise but it slides all over the place | 02:19 |
| johnx | the button pads on the front too | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia needs to learn how to make tight-fitting back panels. | 02:19 |
| johnx | a battery-lock (ala zaurus) wouldn't go amiss | 02:19 |
| lcuk | it was worse before i put a big sticky rubber pad on the back | 02:19 |
| lcuk | holds both pieces together but they still move | 02:20 |
| b0unc3 | argh... Segmentation fault :( | 02:20 |
| johnx | b0unc3, from dpkg? | 02:20 |
| johnx | that's not good :( | 02:20 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: yep | 02:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 770 was better. | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The tab on the panel on my N800 is turning coppery. | 02:21 |
| lcuk | the thing is, nokia CAN make decent devices - they make practically bomb proof phones ffs | 02:21 |
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| johnx | I think the tablets are kind of a parts bin project or something :/ | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure if step 5 is gonna be better or worse. | 02:23 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, mine already finished changing colors. It really doesn't look bad once it's solid copper-colored | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It could end up losing all its hacker awesomeness. | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The metal edge around the face-plate is all scuffed up, too. | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dropped it one too many times. | 02:24 |
| lcuk | at least because it feels flimsy you are more afraid of dropping it | 02:24 |
| johnx | heh...fast forward to 2010 and the N1010 "Can we please get a d-pad as good as the 770 had!" | 02:24 |
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| lcuk | and a front cover | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia is gonna move to Smart Media cards | 02:24 |
| johnx | or xd memory | 02:25 |
| johnx | but seriously, that d-pad is inexcusably bad | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whole one step forward, two steps back deal is old already. | 02:25 |
| johnx | I can't think of a single phone or handheld I've *ever* used with a d-pad half as bad | 02:26 |
| lcuk | but at least you can monitor where you are going with your backsteps * | 02:26 |
| lcuk | * if you stand outside in the garden for 20 minutes first | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really hope WiMAX wont be in the default tablet configuration. | 02:26 |
| * Mousey reads the scrollback and dispairs | 02:27 | |
| johnx | b0unc3, are you using wifi? | 02:27 |
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| b0unc3 | johnx: no... no wireless tools :( | 02:27 |
| johnx | gah! I lose! | 02:27 |
| pupnik | i'm reminded of IBM saying 'we don't want color graphics in our PC computers because these are serious machines" | 02:27 |
| lcuk | mousey, the thing is, for all the bitching, you would have to get the device out of my cold dead hands. its the most awesomest device ive ever owned | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | People talk about it like it's some holy grail of connectivity, but does anybody have any idea what the potential pricing is gonna be? | 02:28 |
| Mousey | lcuk: i'm on my first, the n810. I have friends with the 770 and 800 who love them. but yea. I have a few design suggestions | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen, lcuk. | 02:28 |
| Mousey | otherwise, i'm in luv | 02:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles still remembers unboxing his 770. :D | 02:28 | |
| lcuk | Mousey, had an 810 for a month now and it was love at first sight. one of the few moments i said "i have to have one of those" | 02:29 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I'm note even so sure wimax will perform well. Poke at people using "clearwire" and look at all the problems they have using *fixed-location* wimax | 02:29 |
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| pupnik | the N810 is the coolest looking thing i own. I love taking pics of it :) http://pupnik.de/GemRB_800x480_XL.jpg | 02:30 |
| lcuk | pup, have you got your fingerprints on this one? | 02:30 |
| pupnik | hehehe the prints don't show on this pic | 02:30 |
| lcuk | ahhh... another partial | 02:30 |
| johnx | yeah, the N810s look really nice | 02:30 |
| * lcuk will have you in the database soon | 02:30 | |
| * Mousey huggles his n810 | 02:31 | |
| _berto_ | pupnik: is that a game or a video? | 02:31 |
| * Mousey huggles freeciv and GeneralAntilles for teh linkage | 02:31 | |
| lcuk | pup, bottom right of the screen | 02:31 |
| pupnik | game, Baldur's Gate 2 | 02:31 |
| johnx | I'll get one maybe later this year after a couple more price-cuts | 02:31 |
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| _berto_ | pupnik: how do you run it? | 02:31 |
| lcuk | pup, that looks wicked | 02:31 |
| pupnik | it's a work in progress _berto_ ... | 02:32 |
| _berto_ | wine? | 02:33 |
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| pupnik | no, GemRB, Open-Source Bioware Infinity Engine | 02:33 |
| johnx | b0unc3, even though iwconfig isn't installed, you should be able to use the wpa-ssid and wpa-psk parameters in /etc/network/interfaces to get a net connection up | 02:33 |
| _berto_ | never heard about it, thanks :) | 02:33 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: I'm using usb-networking... | 02:33 |
| b0unc3 | http://pastebin.ca/870340 ... any idea ? | 02:34 |
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| johnx | b0unc3, looking. anything suspicious in dmesg or /var/log/messages ? | 02:34 |
| _berto_ | pupnik: are you the developer? | 02:35 |
| lcuk | THe nokia 8x0 is specially designed to be used with wine. just open the bottle drink and type. | 02:35 |
| Mousey | <psa>don't drink and type</psa> | 02:36 |
| pupnik | _berto_: no. i'm a cheerleader, more or less. hoping to generate interest in it and get some developer on board to work on it. | 02:36 |
| _berto_ | that's great, and how stable is it? :)= | 02:36 |
| _berto_ | :) | 02:36 |
| johnx | b0unc3, did you apply the "memory corruption during wlan use" fix. I'm just guessing at stuff here... | 02:36 |
| _berto_ | "GemRB is quite complete, especially regarding bg2" , sounds good | 02:36 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: Nothing ... | 02:37 |
| pupnik | it hasn't crashed yet. but there are many open issues and bugs. it's a vastly complicated game. | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, might as well wait for the N900. | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 isn't a serious upgrade over the N800. | 02:37 |
| _berto_ | i imagine | 02:37 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, thet lack of keyboard *hurts* though | 02:38 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: no.. I have not applied it ... | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Learn to use that fullscreen keyboard. :P | 02:38 |
| johnx | I think if you have the latest 2007HE you have it automatically though | 02:38 |
| b0unc3 | I have ITOS2006 | 02:38 |
| pupnik | if you want to help, then download latest gemRB svn and build it on your linux pc | 02:38 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, it's still no good for: 1) chatting, 2) terminal use | 02:38 |
| lcuk | john, best thing to do - if you can find someone to take the 800 of your hands (since its not obsolete yet) you get a nice down payment for the upgrade | 02:39 |
| pupnik | then check out forums, wiki, load some savegames and do some testing | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use it for both, johnx. :P | 02:39 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, you're crazy and possibly masochistic. :P | 02:39 |
| lcuk | pupnik, which ide do you use for coding? | 02:40 |
| johnx | lcuk, I know that would be the sensible thing to do :)...but in many ways I like my N800 | 02:40 |
| johnx | I think I'd just like to have both :D | 02:40 |
| lcuk | as GeneralAntilles says, theres nothing wrong with 800 | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dual SDHC! | 02:40 |
| lcuk | im already planning for an 800 emergency device | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1-800? | 02:40 |
| lcuk | (emergency = missus playing mahjong) | 02:40 |
| pupnik | I don't really code lcuk. just tweaks.. vi... | 02:40 |
| pupnik | hahaha | 02:41 |
| lcuk | "why do you wanna waste so much money on that" | 02:41 |
| lcuk | "ooooh it looks pretty, and whats that game" | 02:41 |
| * lcuk will never understand women | 02:42 | |
| johnx | lcuk, ahahaha. | 02:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ehehehe | 02:42 |
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| johnx | my wifi module doesn't remember it's MAC under Debian :| | 02:45 |
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| johnx | and falls back on a hilarious default: 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee | 02:46 |
| pupnik | hahaha | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:46 |
| jott | hehe not that bad at least ;) | 02:46 |
| johnx | ifconfig will let me set it to whatever I want...so it doesn't really matter... | 02:46 |
| Tama^2 | l | 02:46 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 02:46 |
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| johnx | I wonder if a Nokia guy picked the MAC or the actual chip designer | 02:47 |
| Tama^2 | When my gf picks up my n800 I ssh into it and get flite to tell her inappropriate things | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahahaha | 02:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles has done that, except with AppleScript | 02:48 | |
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| b0unc3 | there is something very strange... | 02:49 |
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| b0unc3 | dpkg -x give me 'Illegal instruction' ... :( | 02:50 |
| johnx | that's no good :( | 02:50 |
| johnx | so you haven't applied the wireless fix...how did you put this file on your 770? Did you transfer it over wireless to the tablet? | 02:51 |
| johnx | or use a card reader on your desktop? | 02:51 |
| |tbb| | how hard is it to compile that for chinook? | 02:51 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: usb-cable | 02:51 |
| johnx | ah, ok | 02:51 |
| |tbb| | http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/dists/mistral/user/source/dbus-scripts_1.0-2.tar.gz | 02:52 |
| johnx | b0unc3, this whole situation is strange. There's another guy on itt forums who has debian installed on a 770 and he didn't run into this I assume | 02:52 |
| johnx | is there anything relevant in dmesg? | 02:52 |
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| b0unc3 | johnx: no... | 02:54 |
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| lcuk | can i use kdevelop on the xubuntu vmware image as an ide, or rather is it easy for a newb like me to set it up and configure it for use.. | 02:55 |
| johnx | b0unc3, either way, you might want to install the wifi memory corruption fix: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11824 | 02:55 |
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| b0unc3 | johnx: I tried the deb.. but there is no way to install it | 02:56 |
| johnx | ah...that was kind of off the debian topic | 02:57 |
| johnx | that .deb will only work in IT2006OS | 02:57 |
| b0unc3 | ah ok, my mystake. | 02:57 |
| johnx | no problem...I tend to randomly switch topics without warning. :) | 02:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's that strange new OS again . . . | 02:58 |
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| johnx | whatever | 03:00 |
| johnx | itos06 | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 03:00 |
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| johnx | for some reason I got it into my head that was the "official" name and haven't been able to shake it | 03:01 |
| * thoughtfix wanders ack | 03:01 | |
| thoughtfix | back | 03:01 |
| thoughtfix | hi | 03:01 |
| johnx | hi | 03:01 |
| thoughtfix | What's exciting today? | 03:01 |
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| penguinbait | does skype do video calling, or only audio? | 03:01 |
| penguinbait | or should I say skye on tablet? | 03:02 |
| thoughtfix | Only audio so far on the tablets | 03:02 |
| penguinbait | can you googletalk video call between 800 and 810? | 03:03 |
| thoughtfix | Yes | 03:03 |
| penguinbait | cool, I have not played with that stuff in a while | 03:04 |
| penguinbait | can you do pc also? | 03:04 |
| penguinbait | gtalk 800/810 to pc? | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | With Gizmo | 03:05 |
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| thoughtfix | Gizmo - not skype | 03:06 |
| penguinbait | so if I want to make free video calls between tablets which is better gtalk or gizmo? | 03:06 |
| penguinbait | is gizmo free? | 03:06 |
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| b0unc3 | bah... nothing changed.. :( | 03:07 |
| penguinbait | netsplit crap! | 03:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo is free Gizmo-to-Gizmo | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Small fee per minute for Gizmo-to-Phone | 03:08 |
| penguinbait | whats better gizmo or gtalk? | 03:08 |
| johnx | b0unc3, :( I have no ideas, unfortunately. | 03:08 |
| penguinbait | is gtalk still flakey? | 03:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, they're kinda two different things. | 03:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo is more of a voip thing like Skype. GTalk is more chat. | 03:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For strictly tablet-to-tablet, gtalk works fine. | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | For tablet-to-anything else, use Gizmo. | 03:10 |
| johnx | b0unc3, the only thing that I can think of is is that the wifi memory corruption bug might have already caused disk corruption | 03:10 |
| penguinbait | so you cant do video over gtalk anymore? | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can just use both side-by-side, though. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | To other tablets, you can. | 03:10 |
| johnx | b0unc3, Unfortunately I don't have a 770 to test with | 03:10 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: uhm... looks strange to me... btw thanks for your help! | 03:11 |
| thoughtfix | Well | 03:12 |
| penguinbait | what is a deep hole in the ground? | 03:12 |
| thoughtfix | Video calls don't work to the 770 obviously | 03:12 |
| johnx | b0unc3, sure. It would be great to get this figured out for the 770 so I can add this to the wiki. I'm sure a lot of 770 users will be interested in this | 03:12 |
| thoughtfix | Penguinbait you wise-ass | 03:12 |
| thoughtfix | hehe | 03:12 |
| johnx | so, if you get it working I definitely want to hear. :D | 03:12 |
| penguinbait | too long on your pause :) | 03:13 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: ok | 03:13 |
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| penguinbait | man I love the 810 | 03:13 |
| thoughtfix | I still don't have one | 03:13 |
| thoughtfix | :( | 03:13 |
| penguinbait | this this is awesome | 03:13 |
| thoughtfix | Gimme! | 03:13 |
| penguinbait | why the hell would you give it away? | 03:14 |
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| penguinbait | if you didnt have another one | 03:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thoughtfix, you had your chance to steal yours. :P | 03:14 |
| penguinbait | I am typing like a 13 year old girl between classes | 03:14 |
| penguinbait | hehehe | 03:14 |
| thoughtfix | The one I had was preproduction | 03:15 |
| thoughtfix | I had to send it back | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goody two-shoes. :P | 03:15 |
| thoughtfix | Oh man | 03:15 |
| pupnik | did you hear back from your contest winner thoughtfix ? how is she enjoying the n810? | 03:15 |
| penguinbait | did you get a coupon? | 03:15 |
| thoughtfix | I didn't apply. I am not a developer | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they specifically stated it wasn't just for devs. | 03:16 |
| penguinbait | neither am I | 03:16 |
| penguinbait | but you didnt need to be :) | 03:17 |
| thoughtfix | Really? My bad | 03:17 |
| thoughtfix | Still | 03:17 |
| thoughtfix | I'd rather it go to someone else | 03:17 |
| penguinbait | not me | 03:17 |
| thoughtfix | My N800 is being troublesome though | 03:17 |
| thoughtfix | Standby <8 hours | 03:17 |
| penguinbait | I would rather it go to you | 03:17 |
| thoughtfix | With NO use | 03:17 |
| thoughtfix | I'll get mine | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got something running away in the background? | 03:17 |
| thoughtfix | Just need for marketing to have one to spare | 03:18 |
| johnx | thoughtfix, with wifi connected? | 03:18 |
| penguinbait | many people got one I though not deserving | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corrupted internal with VM enabled and metalayer-crawler are two favorites. | 03:18 |
| thoughtfix | No ... it was sitting in my jacket all day at work | 03:18 |
| thoughtfix | This has been giving on all week | 03:18 |
| thoughtfix | I removed the two SD cards | 03:18 |
| thoughtfix | and will charge tonight | 03:18 |
| thoughtfix | and run the same test tomorrow | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | RSS has come up, too. | 03:18 |
| johnx | so was it in offline mode or looking for wifi? | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | That, too. | 03:18 |
| thoughtfix | But tomorrow my Chumby arrives too | 03:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, very much agreed there. | 03:19 |
| thoughtfix | Finally ordered one | 03:19 |
| thoughtfix | No ... there was nothing running at all | 03:19 |
| johnx | I accidentally left the network chooser up once when I put it in my pocket. After 20 minutes it claimed it had like ~1 hour batter life left. Switched to offline mode and it said it was good for another 6 hours of use | 03:19 |
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| * lcuk will never touch his 810 again, battery going from full to empty with a single reboot is strange | 03:20 | |
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| penguinbait | lcuk | 03:20 |
| penguinbait | me too | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's normal. | 03:20 |
| johnx | lcuk, happened on my n800 too | 03:20 |
| penguinbait | me too | 03:20 |
| fysa | I've noticed that. | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just Nokia's crappy battery monitoring. | 03:20 |
| johnx | the battery applet is full of lies | 03:21 |
| fysa | I believe the issue is poor monitoring. | 03:21 |
| penguinbait | only on my 810 | 03:21 |
| pupnik | "The N810 is something my wife (who is not technology focused) will use. She likes to sit and watch a movie and know the actors and actresses. She'll have IMDb open and will look up the the movie while she's watching." - Victor Brilon | 03:21 |
| penguinbait | no it will go back to full | 03:21 |
| lcuk | you mean "the battery is a lie?" | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Happened to me on the two Nokia phones I've had, too. | 03:21 |
| fysa | if you so much as breathe on the N810, it takes the opportunity to waste some watts. | 03:21 |
| lcuk | i thought it was only the cake | 03:21 |
| penguinbait | something is funky | 03:21 |
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| johnx | lcuk, nope batteries too. there were many, many lies. | 03:21 |
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| thoughtfix | Oh by the way | 03:22 |
| thoughtfix | It seems I am going to Brazil for Openbossa | 03:22 |
| lcuk | today even though there is NO automatic connection or recheck interval (i have it confirgured to stay connected, but not to connect automatically) i found it had connected | 03:22 |
| * lcuk has a gremlin | 03:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, Don't Fear the Penguin, The Other Pocket, and Filtering User Feedback! | 03:22 |
| lcuk | i was reading last night with the last hour of battery - thats how i know i disabled it - i didnt want charger cable over me... | 03:23 |
| * lcuk forced longer life | 03:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Something could've called the network. | 03:23 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, like ... gremlins? | 03:23 |
| lcuk | well if i had been unplugged it would have drained battery | 03:23 |
| lcuk | like has been occuring | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Opening a browser window or sumuch. | 03:23 |
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| lcuk | but nothing should call network since its all set to no automatic | 03:24 |
| lcuk | i closed fbreader and put it down | 03:24 |
| lcuk | (actually got round to closing it now each night) | 03:24 |
| thoughtfix | Antilles: The choice is "Noise to Signal" | 03:24 |
| thoughtfix | As per the previous conversations and feedback | 03:24 |
| thoughtfix | but | 03:24 |
| thoughtfix | I bring it up today to ask you all | 03:25 |
| thoughtfix | what are developers or users doing WRONG when trying to communicate with each other? | 03:25 |
| penguinbait | mine was full last night, then showed completlyn drained this morning, I rebooted twice on my way to work and all the sudden it showed completely full | 03:25 |
| lcuk | spending too much time explaining their own dev environment or favorite settings instead of getting on with the job of actual development | 03:25 |
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| penguinbait | i never charged it | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It feeds off your soul, penguinbait. | 03:26 |
| thoughtfix | lcuk: Expand on that | 03:26 |
| lcuk | for other systems all the way from the spectrum upwards there has been general consensus on which dev environment to use. with this device there is just too much choice | 03:26 |
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| penguinbait | as does the rest of the imaginary world I live in does:) | 03:26 |
| lcuk | too many routes to get to the same goal | 03:26 |
| johnx | thoughtfix, devs: not always setting expectations properly, users: buying into hype | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just generating too much hype on their own. | 03:27 |
| thoughtfix | johnx: I can see that in the developer side... Are you saying users should be more skeptical when dealing with developers? | 03:27 |
| lcuk | it dilutes the effect somewhat and means that everyone is working on their own perfect version instead of working together to make a stable platform | 03:28 |
| thoughtfix | I can add a point that developers should behave as such - not as marketers | 03:28 |
| penguinbait | as flav says dont believe the hype | 03:28 |
| pupnik | yeaaa boyeeee | 03:28 |
| thoughtfix | Actually that's a very good point. Developers are NOT marketers | 03:28 |
| thoughtfix | Yet so many try to be | 03:29 |
| penguinbait | most arnt good sysadmins either :) | 03:29 |
| johnx | thoughtfix, I guess in a way I'm thinking about the relationship between Nokia and users, not so much open source devs | 03:29 |
| penguinbait | <-- ducks | 03:29 |
| thoughtfix | Hahaha ... I am a sysadmin first, a blogger second, and a developer ... a developer probably 61st or so... right behind "cable chewer" | 03:30 |
| thoughtfix | I can write a mean shell script! | 03:31 |
| johnx | part of the communication problem is that users don't really think about or understand the amount of time and effort that goes into programming | 03:31 |
| penguinbait | me too thoughtfix | 03:31 |
| penguinbait | great sysadmin, not a developer at all | 03:31 |
| johnx | also, they don't understand that their relationship between them and an open source dev is different then between them and a commercial dev | 03:32 |
| thoughtfix | So users expect devs to over-deliver on their promises? | 03:32 |
| penguinbait | I do a mean , ./configure; make; make install | 03:32 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 03:32 |
| thoughtfix | Don't forget to make clean when you're done, you filthy bug | 03:32 |
| johnx | (some) users expect devs to bend to their every whim | 03:32 |
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| thoughtfix | Yes... I can see that too | 03:33 |
| johnx | a little politeness goes a long way, too | 03:33 |
| thoughtfix | And every user thinks their idea is the best ;) | 03:33 |
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| johnx | there needs to be like an etiquette guide for them or something | 03:33 |
| penguinbait | because my ideas are best :) | 03:33 |
| johnx | for both devs and users | 03:33 |
| thoughtfix | Your ideas ARE the best... right behind mine ;) | 03:33 |
| thoughtfix | Hmm | 03:33 |
| thoughtfix | That's a GOOD idea johnx | 03:33 |
| penguinbait | heh | 03:33 |
| lcuk | thoughtfix, i am an experienced developer and have worked on applications from multiple platforms and in numerous languages but i have never had the sheer overwhelming feeling when starting with this maemo device. its normally, here is the ide, theres the language, do your stuff. | 03:34 |
| johnx | devs: don't yell at your users, users: just use common courtesy. Pretend this is real life, not the internet. Would you say that in real life? | 03:34 |
| thoughtfix | By the way - thank you all for taking part in this conversation | 03:34 |
| penguinbait | thats is how they behave in real life | 03:34 |
| thoughtfix | lcuk: So the dev environment is too ... varied? | 03:34 |
| johnx | penguinbait, er...maybe sometimes...but I just can't picture it | 03:35 |
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| lcuk | different, not varied. its the number of paradigms which must be overcome for each of them. we have many types of cars and because i passed my test i can pretty much drive all of them, but linux involves knowing how to ride a unicycle a fork lift a truck and a space shuttle | 03:36 |
| johnx | penguinbait, I can't picture someone talking to their friend who just made them a new bookshelf, and saying "You should make it better looking now, and wider." | 03:37 |
| penguinbait | thats because linux runs on a furby | 03:37 |
| fysa | it requires a different mode of thinking. | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm incredibly impressed by the professionalism of the Canola guys. | 03:37 |
| penguinbait | and a mainframe | 03:37 |
| penguinbait | and 64 cpu power 5 server | 03:37 |
| fysa | unless you were a C64 user. | 03:38 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yes. They're at the far end of the spectrum of "ideal developer" | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a lot of their users are snot-nosed immature little pricks. | 03:38 |
| * lcuk wipes his nose | 03:39 | |
| johnx | hmm...maybe that's part of the problem. (some) users expect to say whatever they have on their mind, and have the developer act like someone trying to sell them something | 03:39 |
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| thoughtfix | Hehe | 03:40 |
| thoughtfix | Hey. | 03:40 |
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| lcuk | saying what is on your mind is the only way to communicate. using the right words to convey what you mean is a different story entirely | 03:40 |
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| thoughtfix | i have a furby | 03:40 |
| thoughtfix | Hmm | 03:40 |
| johnx | lcuk, very true | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Split hairs much, lcuk. :P | 03:41 |
| thoughtfix | Okay | 03:41 |
| penguinbait | i had my kids nintendo ds boot linux | 03:41 |
| thoughtfix | That's good ... let's roll with that. Why do open source developers do it? | 03:41 |
| penguinbait | even on the networrk | 03:41 |
| penguinbait | dslinux | 03:41 |
| lcuk | i wound my eldest up for ages that i would install linux on his ds | 03:41 |
| abrilc | Anyone with Streamtuner @os2008 could record some radio stations? | 03:42 |
| lcuk | he begged me not to because he thought he wouldnt be able to play games | 03:42 |
| johnx | thoughtfix, to scratch an itch. | 03:42 |
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| thoughtfix | johnx: I just use Preparation H | 03:42 |
| lcuk | as a developer if something doesnt do what you want it to its as easy to do it yourself. then the projects sort of take off | 03:43 |
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| lcuk | instead of investing time and energy into making the original nearly right version work a whole new branch comes up | 03:43 |
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| pupnik | we need to get zodttd a n800 | 03:44 |
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| thoughtfix | Hmm ... that makes sense | 03:45 |
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| lcuk | the end user who comes to the party after then has to choose a branch, each has its own nice bits but neither are perfect | 03:46 |
| lcuk | if that end user is a developer, the cycle continues... | 03:46 |
| johnx | well that's somewhat pessimistic | 03:47 |
| thoughtfix | Like how gpsdrive became maemo-mapper | 03:47 |
| johnx | though I've definitely seen the trend | 03:47 |
| jott | and it's not really open source specific. floss is just more visible. | 03:47 |
| thoughtfix | I remember using gpsdrive on my Zaurus SL-5500 | 03:47 |
| jott | (as in transparent processes) | 03:47 |
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| johnx | usually, one version becomes visibly better than the others and people tend to standardize on it | 03:48 |
| leo2007 | is the cpu for n810 same as for n800? | 03:48 |
| lcuk | its less so in closed source circles because of 2 things: (1) you have already paid out money for the software. (2) the work needed to completely rebuild an app is immense | 03:48 |
| johnx | leo2007, yes | 03:48 |
| lcuk | leo2007, , yes | 03:48 |
| thoughtfix | Yes... but OS2008 clocked up the CPU | 03:49 |
| johnx | the problem can be when there aren't enough devs to go around...like the zaurus distro situation | 03:49 |
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| jott | lcuk: well look at the shareware market for example. commercial software can't be generalized. | 03:51 |
| leo2007 | thoughtfix: can it clock up n800? | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | leo2007, they're the same CPU | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both devices run at the same speed under OS2008. | 03:51 |
| lcuk | leo2007, yes when you install os2008, the max frequency on both the n800 and n810 is 400mhz | 03:51 |
| lcuk | with the 800 on os2007, its max is 330mhz | 03:52 |
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| jott | johnx: yes, that's one of the major points, a community and/or commercial backing of the important projects | 03:52 |
| leo2007 | nowadays n810 is much more expensive, can't decide which one to buy? | 03:52 |
| tekonivel | have any of you heard of application for those headphone remote controllers that come with nokia phones? | 03:52 |
| tekonivel | ideally the controller would produce just keypresses which are easy to map | 03:54 |
| lcuk | jott, you make a good point about shareware programs, but is that just a hook. the whole code has usually been developed and the developer(s) want to let you try before you buy. however quite obviously they want you to buy it. | 03:54 |
| * lcuk spent £200 on a shareware application today | 03:55 | |
| jott | lcuk: sure, but the main point I made was about visibility. in the floss world a project is released in a very early development stages and might be abandoned, in the commercial world those projects will never be seen. | 03:55 |
| lcuk | all because we had a clear need. if it had not been shareware i would not have known it could do what i needed it to do | 03:56 |
| tekonivel | i've tried the microphone and it works | 03:56 |
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| lcuk | jott, not every project is released that early. hacking something together to prove a point is not the same as sitting down and spending a few months planning and developing a full application | 03:57 |
| jott | lcuk: well the better planned projects might even have better chances to survive. who knows. | 03:58 |
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| jott | but still it's a common thing to release the code in a early stage in the hope to attract others that support it. | 03:59 |
| jott | (especially if it has no commercial backing, but then it's an other story) | 04:00 |
| lcuk | ive seen small apps developed on here in the last month with participation from members and will probably do similar myself once i get upto speed, but i would generally not consider these small tools to be killer apps | 04:02 |
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| lcuk | meanwhile there are a couple of appd being built quietly and steadily (still with input from others) which I am keeping a close eye on but am not expecting an instant single fix to make it the perfect app and fully expect them both to be in use far beyond any of the other utilities | 04:04 |
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| * jott wonders what the "perfect app" would be ;) | 04:05 | |
| pupnik | for me, these bioware games, and a snes emulator, and a playstation emulator | 04:07 |
| lcuk | i would consider perfect to be apps which make you want to continue looking at the screen | 04:07 |
| jott | hehe well that's quite a broad defintion of perfect :P | 04:08 |
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| lcuk | jott, what do you do with your 810 | 04:09 |
| * lcuk considers games and internet to be secondary for himself | 04:10 | |
| jott | on the "user" side, surfing, chatting, gaming, on the "admin" side, getting more and more sid backports running and on the "dev" side playing around with hildon :) | 04:11 |
| jott | so quite a few use cases depending on the mood ;) | 04:12 |
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| lcuk | im more into reading and coding and think the screen is amazing to look at, much clearer and readable than my old pda. i agree with your multi use, its a perfect device. | 04:13 |
| jott | indeed. the screen is really gorgeous as steve would say ;) | 04:14 |
| lcuk | im watching the development of the pygtk editor come along with great interest because a specific target environment is what i need to remove myself of the desktop | 04:15 |
| jott | yeah my qvga ipaq looks quite anachronistic nowadays. | 04:15 |
| lcuk | once i can code away from this chair i can become comfy. i go through note pads (jotting notes) whilst lay down and hate having to get up and code my ideas on the desktop and think laptops are too big. the other thing i do whilst lay down is reading which i will be able to do once fbreader is tweaked | 04:17 |
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| lcuk | notice i say tweaked, once i get upto speed it is my intention to see how i can help with the project :) | 04:18 |
| johnx | fbreader is such an incredible project. :) It's incredible how many platforms it runs on | 04:18 |
| lcuk | oh, xchat on the deive is awesome... | 04:19 |
| jott | i guess one could optimize fbreaders rendering speed.. page flips are quite slow.. other than that it's a great app | 04:19 |
| lcuk | yer john, having some performance boosts specifically for the 8x0 will be beneficial to the project | 04:19 |
| lcuk | ive had a few other issues with it is as well, but the main dev is very responsive | 04:20 |
| johnx | yeah, he's been working on it for long time | 04:20 |
| lcuk | jott, im used to kinetic scrolling on my old (MUCH slower pda) | 04:20 |
| johnx | I remember trying on of the first releases on my zaurus SL5500 | 04:20 |
| johnx | hmm...I'm not sure kinetic scrolling really has a place in an ebook reader | 04:21 |
| jott | lcuk: yeah well the high resolution brings minor problems ;) | 04:21 |
| lcuk | jott, only because its trying to do 16bit color fullscreen refreshes. its a book reader ffs - why cant i at last select single bitplane turbo update | 04:21 |
| pupnik | i could sometimes use a jeweler's magnifying glass hood for the tablet | 04:21 |
| lcuk | 12bit^ | 04:21 |
| pupnik | because X is 1980s technology | 04:22 |
| lcuk | pup, it was a problem at first, but set internet browser to have a minimum size font and fbreader to a big bold font and am loving it | 04:22 |
| lcuk | hey, plenty of things were invented in the 80s and before and still work really well | 04:23 |
| pupnik | anyway how many fps do you need: i think the n8x0 is fast enough for scrolling fullscreen | 04:23 |
| pupnik | maybe not fast enough for elegant smooth-as-silk kinetic scrolling | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kinetic scrolling doesn't make sense to me for an ebook reader. | 04:25 |
| lcuk | i read sideways and see the screen redraw from left to right (charge socket at top), besides the app itself is just slow. take away as much bloat as possible and you give back not just faster refresh but also better battery life and a more rounded experience | 04:25 |
| lcuk | gen - ok, continuous scrolling, no page turns the book just scrolls down at a steady rate | 04:25 |
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| lcuk | but if i want to move about i should just be able to grab it and move it - similar to the minimo effect | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's something different entirely from kinetic. :P | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, you don't really have any points of reference with a book. | 04:26 |
| lcuk | nahhh its not, kinetic is a known term now | 04:26 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: it's kinetic just without friction ;P | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too easy to lose your spot. | 04:26 |
| johnx | lcuk, the minimo effect...where you click and it takes all your memory and crashes? :P | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 04:27 |
| johnx | but yes. The code that does the rotation could probably be optimized | 04:27 |
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| johnx | at least the natural orientation of the N8x0 is landscape (has Zaurus Cxx00 flashbacks) | 04:28 |
| lcuk | john, my browser rarely crashes, i dont play with scaling though and dont have crappy adjust thing. maybe i just dont do that much | 04:28 |
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| johnx | ah, microb | 04:28 |
| johnx | you said minimo | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 04:28 |
| lcuk | :S thought they were one and the same - sorry | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, no. | 04:29 |
| lcuk | just knew it was (small) (something) | 04:29 |
| lcuk | internet browser was just too much for my tired fingers | 04:29 |
| johnx | fair enough | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | minimo is a horrifying abortion of code | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | microb is pure win. :P | 04:29 |
| johnx | I was just very confused by someone wanting to use minimo's behavior as a model instead of a warning | 04:29 |
| lcuk | lol | 04:30 |
| lcuk | actually, i thought it was minimozilla - baby firefox as default on the 810 or am i totally wrong | 04:30 |
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| johnx | well Nokia calls the gecko/firefox default browswer microb | 04:31 |
| johnx | minimo was a port of mozilla to WinCE that got ported to Linux | 04:31 |
| johnx | AFAICT | 04:31 |
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| lcuk | i think i need to sleep | 04:35 |
| johnx | happens, even to the best of us :) | 04:35 |
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| jott | yeah, if the caffeine level is below a certain threshold... | 04:36 |
| johnx | get this man an espresso! Stat! | 04:37 |
| lcuk | strangely enough i dont drink coffee at night | 04:37 |
| jott | only black tea? ;) | 04:37 |
| lcuk | however in the daytime at work its by the gallon | 04:37 |
| johnx | well no wonder you end up sleeping | 04:37 |
| lcuk | no, i swap it for cigs at night, cant smoke at my desk in work | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:38 |
| lcuk | though my new evilness since the smoking ban came in is making my rollups in work | 04:38 |
| lcuk | never smoked inside, but also never made rollups back then either | 04:39 |
| pupnik | i see my contributions to ITOS as part of a holy jihad against microsoft | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 04:39 |
| pupnik | out of the rubble of my career rises a warrior forged by fire | 04:40 |
| lcuk | pup, you are looking in the wrong direction, watch out for the symbian devices. nokia might end up cutting linux out of the loop the way these other multi function devices are going | 04:40 |
| pupnik | could be... then it's on to the next linux device... | 04:41 |
| johnx | lcuk, luckily intel is using hildon as well for their MIDs | 04:41 |
| lcuk | im not done with the first yet | 04:41 |
| lcuk | that is good then :) | 04:41 |
| johnx | and libhildon is in debian... | 04:42 |
| lcuk | did i read right earlier that a full linux distro is moving towards arm as a standard target? | 04:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, moved. past tense | 04:42 |
| johnx | debian has had an ARM build that was 90%+ complete for years | 04:42 |
| lcuk | just saw it in the scrollback think i was pontificating about something else | 04:42 |
| johnx | now they and fedora have an armel build as well | 04:42 |
| lcuk | ahh cool. deb = strong and stable isnt it | 04:43 |
| johnx | yes | 04:43 |
| johnx | they're really serious about stable software | 04:43 |
| johnx | sometimes they don't react quickly to new stuff that quickly | 04:44 |
| jott | strong or stable that is ;P | 04:44 |
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| lcuk | john, thats a good thing, we dont know if this internet fad will last :P | 04:44 |
| johnx | heh...if I had to guess which would be around longer, the internet or debian I'd have to think about it | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 04:46 |
| penguinbait | this is sweet, I am using IRC on kopete on n810, its uses flite with the ktts daemon and reads everything in #maemo | 04:48 |
| johnx | penguinbait, that actually sounds kind of painful to listen to | 04:49 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, why dont you ask GeneralAntilles for the xchat beta ;) | 04:49 |
| johnx | is there a way to swtich voices in flite? | 04:49 |
| penguinbait | only one | 04:49 |
| penguinbait | maybe I will compile festival | 04:49 |
| lcuk | hmmm could you make flite bring irc to life? | 04:50 |
| lcuk | it would need different accents tho :P | 04:50 |
| lcuk | right, with that thought im off to bed, nite all :) | 04:51 |
| penguinbait | it woould be cool if you could assign diff voice to diff people | 04:51 |
| johnx | 'night lcuk | 04:51 |
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| jott | nite lcuk. | 04:52 |
| jott | lcuk: just start flite now and we can haunt your dreams ;) | 04:53 |
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| johnx | so, unless I misunderstand the situation, Xomap doesn't read from /dev/input/event2 (for example, the N800 buttons) | 07:22 |
| johnx | instead hald-input-addon does | 07:22 |
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| johnx | I wonder if there are Nokia specific changes that I need to apply :/ | 07:31 |
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| sxpert | morning... | 08:35 |
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| sxpert | anyone here got a call from Nokia customer service about them messing up with the value of the coupon ? | 08:36 |
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| pupnik | glass: if you work on gemrb i can send you a full set of original Baldur's Gate CDs | 09:10 |
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| pupnik | atari has also released a 4 DVD set of the full BG series, selling for around 12 euro in .de | 09:11 |
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| cbx33 | hey guys | 09:18 |
| pupnik | hi | 09:19 |
| cbx33 | how hard is it to make an applet for the front screen in maemo | 09:19 |
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| kulve | cbx33: not hard | 09:27 |
| kulve | it's called "home" | 09:27 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html#home-plugins | 09:28 |
| kulve | cut'n'paste | 09:28 |
| hahlo | any weather app for os2008? | 09:29 |
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| AlphaLux | omweather | 09:29 |
| AlphaLux | desktop applet | 09:29 |
| maddler-810 | morning all, dudes | 09:30 |
| kulve | hahlo: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 -> search "weather" | 09:30 |
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| hahlo | kulve: tried apt-cache search weather or omweather didn't find any | 09:35 |
| johnx | hahlo, search on the web page: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 | 09:37 |
| johnx | it's probably in a repository that you don't have yet | 09:37 |
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| hahlo | that can be if some new repository has come | 09:38 |
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| johnx | the repository has been around for a long time, but if you | 09:39 |
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| johnx | but, if you don't see the omweather in the results of apt-cache search weather, then you don't have it yet :) | 09:40 |
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| Lynoure | omweather is nice... that + rss reader and I feel like I'm reading a newspaper :) | 09:42 |
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| AlphaLux | yeah it's cool...effortless info | 09:44 |
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| Lynoure | weirdness... | 09:54 |
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| sxpert | Lynoure, I couldn't get omweather to work properly | 09:54 |
| Lynoure | When I click on that Install now, and choose open, I get an error message "yhteensopimaton sovellutuspakkaus" ("uncompatible application package") | 09:55 |
| sxpert | looks like suomi to me :-) | 09:55 |
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| Lynoure | sxpert: it is... that's why I also translated it. | 09:56 |
| Lynoure | is that how it didn't work properly for you? | 09:57 |
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| sxpert | so I got this call from some nokia customer service person, asking if I had received my n810 and informing me that they messed up with the coupon, it being for 499 when it should have been for only 400 | 09:57 |
| sxpert | Lynoure, no, I couldn't find how to add my location | 09:58 |
| sxpert | that call was pretty awkward | 09:59 |
| pupnik | sxpert: what country did you order-in | 09:59 |
| sxpert | fr | 09:59 |
| sxpert | him "erh, well, we messed up yada yada" | 10:00 |
| sxpert | me "erh, well, you know, it's not really *my* problem" | 10:00 |
| sxpert | him "erh, sure, well, erh, goodbye" | 10:00 |
| pupnik | strange | 10:01 |
| AlphaLux | like the blood drive calling....can you spare a few pints? There is a shortage... | 10:01 |
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| pupnik | suspicious, even | 10:02 |
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| sxpert | pupnik, totally wierd | 10:03 |
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| sxpert | guess they'll have to swallow it... | 10:03 |
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| pupnik | the german discount was also full price | 10:05 |
| sxpert | pupnik, heh. did you get a call yet ? | 10:05 |
| pupnik | no | 10:05 |
| sxpert | wierd | 10:05 |
| pupnik | so this leads me to question whether it was really an independent mistake of the french store, and whether that call was legitimate | 10:07 |
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| Lynoure | hmm, I'm now having the same "Connecting..." connecting difficulties that I had with OS2007 before fiddling with some settings on the command line, but I no longer remember what those settings were | 10:08 |
| Lynoure | probably caused by LaFonera being a hateful AP | 10:11 |
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| thp | if anyone wants to test Tennix (a 2D tennis game) on OS2008, here's the link to the package I've just released: http://icculus.org/tennix/maemo/ it's not as fast as it should be, but single-player mode works and is quite fun | 10:13 |
| sxpert | Lynoure, look no further. get yourself a buffalo and run openwrt | 10:14 |
| AlphaLux | openwrt is fantastic, I highly recommend it as well. | 10:15 |
| Lynoure | sxpert: unfortunately I kinda like getting to use other ppl's fon APs, and would not want to have yet another device (replacement is ok, addition annoying) | 10:16 |
| Lynoure | sxpert: Do you think this could be safely tried on OS2008: gconftool-2 --set --type int '/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/wlan_sleep_timeout' | 10:16 |
| sxpert | no idea | 10:17 |
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| Lynoure | '1000' got cut off the end | 10:18 |
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| Lynoure | didn't seem to break anything at least | 10:34 |
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| db48x | hmm | 10:36 |
| db48x | my n800 is stuck at the boot screen | 10:36 |
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| kulve | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/01/23/image/Rambo%20deaths%20chart.jpg | 10:42 |
| kulve | hups | 10:42 |
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| Lynoure | hmm, I cannot figure out either how to add weather station to OS2008 OMWeather | 10:58 |
| Lynoure | The drop menus for country and stuff just do not work | 10:59 |
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| LoCusF | where do I put the key { ... } things in the file in this post? -> http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ | 11:05 |
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| b0unc3 | Lynoure: reboot | 11:07 |
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| maddler | back | 11:08 |
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| hahlo | in what repository omweather supposed to be? | 11:09 |
| Lynoure | b0unc3: I'll do that later, but thanks for the hint. | 11:09 |
| Lynoure | Gotta run now | 11:09 |
| hahlo | hi Lynoure and bye | 11:09 |
| b0unc3 | Lynoure: np | 11:09 |
| b0unc3 | hahlo: maemo extras iirc | 11:10 |
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| hahlo | b0unc3: ok I check if I have that | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:13 |
| maddler | LoCusF: ~/.xmodmap | 11:15 |
| maddler | heya jaffa... | 11:15 |
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| LoCusF | maddler: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 <- I meant this | 11:16 |
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| sarower | Hi | 11:31 |
| sarower | I have an application made for N810 and made a .deb. But when i am going to install it in the device then it tries to install but lastly it shows that "Unable to install" | 11:32 |
| sarower | Is there any body who can assist me.. | 11:32 |
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| sarower | about what are the reasons for causing this | 11:33 |
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| sarower | There are no dependencies | 11:33 |
| BugBlauw | wrong architecture (i386, x86_64) in the package description for example | 11:33 |
| sarower | all dependencies are installed | 11:33 |
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| sarower | yes | 11:34 |
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| sarower | <BugBlauw> | 11:34 |
| pupnik | all your dependencies are belong | 11:37 |
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| lech | can anyone here point me to a listing of bluetooth devices (headsets/headphones) that are compatible with the n800/os2008? | 11:38 |
| sarower | all dependencies are already installed | 11:38 |
| sarower | pupmik! | 11:39 |
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| sarower | it is not problem of dependencies | 11:39 |
| sarower | pupnik! | 11:39 |
| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:39 |
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| pupnik | sarower: check the section | 11:40 |
| oil | what can be a reason for this? I'm copying 170MB file from N810 to the server. First 22MB transfers with 400KB/s.. and on this 22MB mark, the transfer stalls. | 11:41 |
| sarower | which section: pupnik? | 11:41 |
| pupnik | debian/control section: needs to begin with user/ | 11:41 |
| lech | oil, maybe it's the wifi connection crapping out | 11:41 |
| sarower | in the rules file? | 11:42 |
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| pupnik | Section: user/Connectivity e.g. | 11:42 |
| oil | http://oil.iki.fi/tmp/dmesg-errors.txt | 11:42 |
| pupnik | control | 11:42 |
| sarower | ok pupnik! | 11:42 |
| oil | lech: that might be. but this has happened several times. | 11:43 |
| sarower | here it is: "user/other" pupnik! | 11:43 |
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| oil | I also tried to upload to a different server, but with same wifi ap. also tried to reinstall the table firmware | 11:43 |
| sarower | what this portion should be? in the rules file? | 11:43 |
| sarower | install: build | 11:44 |
| sarower | dh_testdir | 11:44 |
| sarower | dh_testroot | 11:44 |
| sarower | dh_clean -k | 11:44 |
| sarower | dh_installdirs | 11:44 |
| sarower | # Add here commands to install the package into debian/linja-context09. | 11:44 |
| lech | oil, no idea then. my guess would be AP dropping the signal | 11:44 |
| sarower | $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 install | 11:44 |
| sarower | $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 install? | 11:44 |
| sarower | or] | 11:44 |
| sarower | $(MAKE) nstall DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 ? | 11:44 |
| oil | lech: that might be, but I haven noticed the same situation with other devices in my home | 11:45 |
| oil | and after this. I can not copy anything with ssh before the next reboot | 11:46 |
| oil | sorry scp.. ssh itself works fine | 11:46 |
| lech | yeah, it could be anything then. My AP likes to reboot at random sometimes and I only caught it once. Otherwise it looks like a slight pause and things recover | 11:47 |
| pupnik | sarower: check application manager's log file to see exact error during install | 11:48 |
| oil | I ment that I need to reboot n810 to make it work again. the accesspoint seems to be ok. | 11:48 |
| lech | oil, you wouldn't happen to know where a wiki or other kind of entry would be hiding that lists compatible bluetooth headsets for the n8xx, would you? | 11:49 |
| sarower | actually if there is any log it would be helpful | 11:49 |
| sarower | but there is no such.. at that time | 11:49 |
| oil | lech: sorry, I don't know. | 11:49 |
| lech | :\ | 11:49 |
| lech | oil, what mode is the AP running in with what kind of security? | 11:50 |
| oil | lech: Accesspoint 11g, wep 64 | 11:50 |
| lech | can you create virtual interfaces on it? | 11:51 |
| oil | lech: I had before, well with same parameters | 11:52 |
| oil | but I can. | 11:52 |
| lech | try WPA with tkip | 11:52 |
| lech | i've noticed that my n800/os2008 seems to hate AP's with WEP security | 11:53 |
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| oil | I'll try first without any security.. well the SSID is defined as 'virusfeeder' :) | 11:55 |
| lech | your call, I'd hide the SSID or something. but WPA with tkip seems to work well on my end | 11:56 |
| wumpus | you can just as well use no security as wep anyway :) | 11:57 |
| oil | speed jumped to 530KB/s. | 11:57 |
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| lech | oil, yeah no overhead for decrypton | 11:58 |
| lech | it's good in a bad way | 11:59 |
| oil | ok. it has now tranfered 65MB. seems like the wep was the cause. | 11:59 |
| lech | try changing it up to WPA with tkip now | 11:59 |
| oil | thanks for the help! Then I'll need to change the settings on all the devices | 11:59 |
| lech | np. just try to tighten the AP, don't want to leave it open like that | 12:00 |
| michele | [OT] anybody knows if the Intel X3100 video card in the latest ThinkPads works fine with Linux? | 12:00 |
| michele | i.e. NO fiddling with drivers | 12:01 |
| oil | hmm. AP (kamikaze) offers WPA(PSK) and WPA(PSK2) | 12:01 |
| maddler | psk2? | 12:01 |
| maddler | wpa2(psk) | 12:01 |
| maddler | ;) | 12:01 |
| oil | sorry, WPA2(PSK) :) | 12:01 |
| maddler | hehe.. | 12:01 |
| maddler | wpa2 will be fine | 12:01 |
| maddler | I am using kamikaze too and everything works great... | 12:02 |
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| oil | I'm lucky tought. the lady is not in home.. she is not always so happy whan I 'do just a little fix..' and then nothing works for couple of hours ;) | 12:03 |
| maddler | hehe | 12:03 |
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| eichi | hello, is there a try icon for pidgin? i cant find the config | 12:09 |
| oil | also wpa2 works fine now. | 12:12 |
| lech | good deal | 12:15 |
| lech | eichi, don't think so | 12:15 |
| Blafasel | I read about "Erminig" several times, but cannot find it on gronmayer. Any hints? | 12:15 |
| sarower | hello pupnik: here the error in the app manager is: dpkg: error processing linja-context09 (--install) | 12:16 |
| sarower | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | 12:16 |
| sarower | pupnik? | 12:17 |
| sarower | or any bodu others? | 12:17 |
| sarower | body* | 12:19 |
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| pupnik | ah so there's a postinstall script. postinst.ex? | 12:23 |
| pupnik | i don't know sarower, good luck | 12:23 |
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| maddler | rtcom updated... reboot loop is gone! :D | 12:36 |
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| lech | dumping people like crazy left and right | 12:44 |
| Blafasel | maddler: Naah, I'll wait until it's available without rp mode ;) | 12:44 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, | 12:46 |
| pupnik | sup unique311 | 12:46 |
| unique311 | i just release xgngeo frontend. | 12:47 |
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| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=132940#post132940 | 12:47 |
| pupnik | congratulations! | 12:47 |
| unique311 | screens vids how-tos | 12:47 |
| unique311 | I freaking hildon the damn thing, finally. I think fully at that. | 12:48 |
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| unique311 | well no fullscreen yet. | 12:48 |
| pupnik | excellent post with the screenshots | 12:48 |
| pupnik | is there any reason to build-in fullscreen? | 12:49 |
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| unique311 | not sure, xmaeme does fullscreen. | 12:49 |
| unique311 | so i figure why not, its a frontend also. | 12:49 |
| unique311 | no reason really. | 12:49 |
| unique311 | If i can put the little knowledge i have now on hildon, maybe I can do the same for mtpaint. | 12:50 |
| pupnik | yeah | 12:50 |
| fugitivo | morning | 12:51 |
| unique311 | bout to work on a game, i wanted to release, and then i'll work on mtpaint | 12:51 |
| jackster | is it normal for the status bar to alwa | 12:51 |
| jackster | is it normal for the status bar to always say 'charging' when the n800 is plugged in? or should it change to 'charged' after a while? | 12:51 |
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| unique311 | jackster, it should be solid after its fully charged | 12:53 |
| michele | maddler: are you sure the new rtcomm works? should I go and install it? should I trust you? :) | 12:53 |
| jackster | hmmm, i left it charging overnight there and it still said it was charging when I got up | 12:54 |
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| giskard | hello | 12:55 |
| giskard | do you know why i get this | 12:55 |
| giskard | http://paste.debian.net/47586 | 12:55 |
| fugitivo | jackster: i have the same problem with my 770 since I installed os2007 HE | 12:55 |
| maddler | michele: I installed it and tested... | 12:56 |
| maddler | *seems* to work... | 12:56 |
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| maddler | giskard: your are not good! :D | 12:56 |
| maddler | giskard: #maemo-it | 12:56 |
| giskard | maddler, please provide a solutiot | 12:56 |
| giskard | we have a maemo-it irc channel | 12:56 |
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| maddler | hehehe... | 12:57 |
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| maddler | what's the problem with that mount stuff? | 12:58 |
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| giskard | i'm not able to exec apps stored in /media/mmc2 | 12:58 |
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| giskard | i have to change fmask and dmask | 12:58 |
| jackster | fugitivo, | 12:58 |
| jackster | fugitivo, i've only ever used os2008 on the n800, updated as soon as I got it. just wondering if this could be dangerous or shorten the life of the battery | 12:58 |
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| fugitivo | jackster: well, mine is 2 years old, so the battery life is real short | 12:59 |
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| jackster | fugitivo, you think that's just age or related to the charging thg? | 13:00 |
| jackster | thing* | 13:00 |
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| maddler | giskard: no clue | 13:03 |
| giskard | maddler, bah you are useless | 13:03 |
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| ccooke | giskard: you can't execute anything from the mmcN cards by default | 13:03 |
| ccooke | they're mounted 'noexec' | 13:04 |
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| giskard | ccooke, i know, i've alread removed this option | 13:04 |
| giskard | if you take a look at the link you should not see it | 13:04 |
| ccooke | This is because they are formatted with the FAT filesystem, which doesn't have the concept of an "execute" mode | 13:04 |
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| ccooke | giskard: okay. so you just need to set the fmask to 022 | 13:05 |
| ccooke | 0022, even | 13:05 |
| maddler | giskard: envy! | 13:05 |
| maddler | :D | 13:05 |
| ccooke | the execute bit is octal 1 and [fdu]mask works by masking (preventing the setting of) the bits you specify | 13:06 |
| ccooke | so an fmask of 0133 prevents all files from having the execute bit. | 13:06 |
| giskard | so i'm wrong if i set it at 0777 | 13:06 |
| giskard | to* | 13:06 |
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| ccooke | yes, that'll get you a load of files with mode 000 | 13:06 |
| lech | can anyone here point me to a listing of bluetooth devices (headsets/headphones) that are compatible with the n800/os2008? | 13:07 |
| ccooke | 1 = execute, 2 = write, 4 = read | 13:07 |
| maddler | lech: dunno... try searching on Internet Tablet Talk's forum | 13:08 |
| ccooke | they're added together - so 0755 (produced by a mask of 0022) means execute, read, write for the owner, execute and read for everyone else | 13:08 |
| giskard | ok | 13:09 |
| giskard | but it doesn't work :( | 13:09 |
| giskard | o remounted it with fmask=002 | 13:09 |
| giskard | 2 | 13:09 |
| giskard | and i always get 0133 | 13:09 |
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| ccooke | I suspect you can't change that option on the fly | 13:10 |
| giskard | umount mount it again | 13:10 |
| giskard | ok | 13:10 |
| giskard | going to try | 13:10 |
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| giskard | Nokia-N810-50-2:/media# mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc2 -o uid=29999,fmask=0022,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8 /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 13:13 |
| giskard | BusyBox v1.6.1 (2007-09-27 18:08:59 EEST) multi-call binary | 13:13 |
| giskard | Usage: mount [flags] DEVICE NODE [-o options,more-options] | 13:13 |
| giskard | *** glibc detected *** -sh: corrupted double-linked list: 0x00052ed8 *** | 13:13 |
| giskard | Connection to 10.0.0.2 closed. | 13:13 |
| giskard | [12:13][giskard@piton:~/varie]$ | 13:13 |
| giskard | uhuu | 13:13 |
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| giskard | ccooke, ok found the error | 13:14 |
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| ccooke | giskard: working? | 13:16 |
| giskard | yes | 13:16 |
| giskard | i guess | 13:16 |
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| dookdook | sorry for the noob question, but where can i get source of the keyboard program for the n800 (or any other information on programming my own keyboard program)? | 13:21 |
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| Spakman | Has anyone got a ruby-maemo .deb file lying around? Version 0.3 or above would be great. | 13:34 |
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| Nermal | Spakman, just spent 10 minutes looking - can't find one | 13:48 |
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| solmumaha | Spakman: my tablets were offline too, sry | 13:56 |
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| alterego | I wish the notes app would open more than one window .. | 14:30 |
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| andrunko | alterego: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156415 | 14:49 |
| alterego | What's that got to do with Maemo and the Notes application? | 14:50 |
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| andrunko | alterego: heheh, wrong channel :P | 15:07 |
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| liri | seems like all the pygtk documentation/tutorials that I'm finding are back from 2004-2005 | 15:09 |
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| maddler | hi all | 15:22 |
| Hfgklouggh | Hi | 15:22 |
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| LinuxCode | wiii | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | N810 is soooo awesome! | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | the amsn dev fella made packages for it | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | works..with webcam and all | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 15:25 |
| LinuxCode | and I found out that...they are working on a port of wxGTK which xchm uses | 15:26 |
| LinuxCode | still minor issues but they are getting there | 15:26 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 15:26 |
| Hfgklouggh | Msn with webcam? | 15:26 |
| LinuxCode | yes | 15:26 |
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| LinuxCode | the led even goes read...but Im not sure what handles that... | 15:27 |
| LinuxCode | might be kernel related | 15:27 |
| lardman | hmm, msn + video | 15:27 |
| lardman | sounds good | 15:27 |
| Hfgklouggh | Where can i find this amsn? | 15:27 |
| LinuxCode | lardman, I need to test it with a mate | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | but should be fine | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 15:28 |
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| LinuxCode | Hfgklouggh, hold | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659 | 15:29 |
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| Hfgklouggh | Thx | 15:29 |
| LinuxCode | pleasure | 15:29 |
| |tbb| | hi all | 15:29 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 15:29 |
| |tbb| | how easy/hard is it to compile that src for chinook? http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/dists/mistral/user/source/dbus-scripts_1.0-2.tar.gz | 15:30 |
| Veggen | We used aMSN when I ran a Linux-based Internet cafe for a week at a scout camp. I don't know anything about MSN on Windows, but I could see that noone had problems with using aMSN, so it must be similar enough to MSN. | 15:30 |
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| glass | in a cafe you could just tell people to use meebo | 15:32 |
| glass | does meebo run on the microb btw? meebo.com | 15:32 |
| Veggen | THat internet cafe was actually a great experience in how user-friendly you could make Linux. There was only a very few die-hard WIndows fans that actually complained about how we sucked for running Windows. *And* we had a money-back-no-questions-asked-policy if you didn't get done what you came for. | 15:32 |
| LinuxCode | so now I have xchat, amsn, fbreader | 15:32 |
| LinuxCode | ohh I require abiword | 15:33 |
| LinuxCode | ! | 15:33 |
| * LinuxCode finds | 15:33 | |
| fugitivo | Veggen: what distro did you use? | 15:33 |
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| Veggen | fugitivo: Can't remember, think it was Debian. | 15:37 |
| Veggen | yah, pretty sure. | 15:38 |
| fugitivo | and gnome? | 15:38 |
| Veggen | fugitivo: But a well-configured Linux-box *is* userfriendly. The experience told me that. | 15:38 |
| fugitivo | i know, my mother uses linux (she's 65 years old) | 15:39 |
| Veggen | fugitivo: actually I think we used kde for the kiosk-mode-stuff. | 15:39 |
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| LinuxCode | http://wxwidgets.blogspot.com/2007/11/hildonizing-wxgtk.html | 15:40 |
| Veggen | fugitivo: I don't push it too aggressively myself, but from what I understand, if you end up being the support-person anyways, you save yourself a lot of trouble by giving them Linux. | 15:40 |
| LinuxCode | lets hope somebody does it | 15:40 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 15:40 |
| fugitivo | I find ubuntu to be a great user-friendly linux distro out of the box | 15:40 |
| LinuxCode | I prefer fedora | 15:40 |
| LinuxCode | incidently...fedora also has a project going now for arm | 15:40 |
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| Veggen | fugitivo: I prefer ubuntu on the desktop myself, nowadays, although I'm an old-timer with experience from the old Slackware-on-diskette-set-days. | 15:40 |
| fugitivo | Veggen: she was using Windows, and I was always helping her to remove virus, spyware and all that weird things | 15:40 |
| hrw | hi, does someone know does Nokia warranty is valid in whole Europe? | 15:41 |
| Veggen | fugitivo: Pretty classical. | 15:41 |
| |tbb| | who can please take a look at the source of the url ive posted and answer my question | 15:41 |
| LinuxCode | hrw, should be | 15:41 |
| LinuxCode | European law | 15:41 |
| fugitivo | Veggen: I'm very oldschool also, I started with slack and diskettes :) | 15:41 |
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| hrw | LinuxCode: I wonder does nokia service in Poland will be capable of repairs ;D | 15:41 |
| fugitivo | Veggen: moved from slack to redhat, to debian, to gentoo, to linux from scratch (yes, i know), now I use ubuntu for my desktop | 15:41 |
| LinuxCode | Europe = EEA | 15:41 |
| LinuxCode | hrw, dunno..but wherever you bought it.. | 15:42 |
| LinuxCode | they should honour warrantly | 15:42 |
| fugitivo | i've learned that my desktop must be simple and easy | 15:42 |
| LinuxCode | after 60 days or so its Nokias responsibility anyway | 15:42 |
| Veggen | hrw: I went to an "official Nokia shop" with my old 770 with WSOD. | 15:42 |
| Veggen | hrw: (I'd bought it directly from Nokia on the net) | 15:42 |
| hrw | Veggen: nokia does not sell tablets in Poland | 15:43 |
| LinuxCode | Veggen, you in the US ? | 15:43 |
| hrw | Veggen: so they may even do not support it even at warranty level | 15:43 |
| LinuxCode | ahh Norway | 15:44 |
| Veggen | LinuxCode: yah. | 15:44 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 15:44 |
| LinuxCode | I have to buy a new wlan AP | 15:44 |
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| LinuxCode | it appears that any wpa net wont work proper with my devices | 15:45 |
| LinuxCode | not sure why that is | 15:45 |
| LinuxCode | my old AP is like 6+ years old | 15:45 |
| Veggen | Hmm. I should do some hardware upgrades in my firewall/access point too...I only have 802.11b now, a good old prism2.5-card in access point mode on my OpenBSD-based firewall. | 15:47 |
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| LinuxCode | Veggen, do you get packet loss on your N810 | 15:48 |
| LinuxCode | ? | 15:48 |
| LinuxCode | if you use your AP ? | 15:48 |
| Hfgklouggh | Can someone compile truecrypt? www.truecrypt.org | 15:49 |
| Veggen | LinuxCode: I turned off powersaving-stuff on my home network. | 15:49 |
| LinuxCode | ? | 15:49 |
| Veggen | Didn't work very well with it, no. | 15:49 |
| LinuxCode | k | 15:49 |
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| LinuxCode | Im getting intermittent packet loss | 15:49 |
| LinuxCode | how old is your AP ? | 15:49 |
| Veggen | LinuxCode: old :) | 15:49 |
| LinuxCode | k | 15:49 |
| Veggen | and self-built. | 15:50 |
| Tak | is there some magic solution for persisting gtk or hildon app states? | 15:50 |
| LinuxCode | might be a linux issue with wpa etc.. | 15:50 |
| Veggen | no wpa on it. | 15:50 |
| LinuxCode | yes I know | 15:50 |
| LinuxCode | mine has it neither | 15:50 |
| LinuxCode | hence Im saying | 15:50 |
| LinuxCode | now I have to find a wlan AP+pc-card that works in linux hehe | 15:50 |
| LinuxCode | hopefully one that doesnt need a firmware | 15:51 |
| * LinuxCode find that ugly | 15:51 | |
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| LinuxCode | s/find/finds/ | 15:51 |
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| Hfgklouggh | Or is there an encryption software available for maemo? | 15:52 |
| LinuxCode | i wonder if it has dm | 15:52 |
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| LoCusF | Hfgklouggh: ccrypt and bcrypt | 15:52 |
| LoCusF | they are for CLI use | 15:53 |
| Hfgklouggh | Ok, like truecrypt | 15:53 |
| LinuxCode | i always forget | 15:53 |
| LinuxCode | hmm | 15:54 |
| LinuxCode | no idea | 15:54 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 15:54 |
| LinuxCode | be nice if it had dm support and then ya could use dm-crypt | 15:55 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 15:55 |
| LinuxCode | but I bet that would be a cpu killer | 15:55 |
| Hfgklouggh | Where can i find ccrypt and bcrypt | 15:55 |
| X-Fade_ | Unless you can use the hardware aes option ;) | 15:55 |
| LinuxCode | X-Fade_, the spu has built in aes crypto ? | 15:56 |
| LinuxCode | cpu | 15:56 |
| X-Fade_ | OMAP architecture has an AES hardware accelerator. | 15:56 |
| LinuxCode | woah | 15:56 |
| LinuxCode | awesome! | 15:56 |
| LinuxCode | hahah | 15:56 |
| X-Fade_ | Not that we will ever be able to use it.. | 15:56 |
| LinuxCode | ;-DDDDDDDDDDD | 15:56 |
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| LinuxCode | never ever say never | 15:56 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 15:56 |
| LinuxCode | you never know.. | 15:56 |
| X-Fade_ | We will never get the detailed specs for that.. | 15:57 |
| LinuxCode | did that ever stop linux devs ? | 15:57 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 15:57 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 15:57 |
| LoCusF | Hfgklouggh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9578&highlight=bcrypt | 15:57 |
| Tak | Never. | 15:57 |
| X-Fade_ | But then again. We also want IVA, PowerVR etc. | 15:57 |
| X-Fade_ | Which we also are never going to get unless some serious money is payed to TI. | 15:58 |
| X-Fade_ | But the cpu supports it all. You just need to know how to activate and use it.. | 15:58 |
| robtaylor | X-Fade_: i suspect a link gets blown if you havn't paid for the license when you order the chips | 15:59 |
| Hfgklouggh | I cant install ccrypt and bcrypt on os2008 | 15:59 |
| Hfgklouggh | Not compatible | 16:00 |
| X-Fade_ | robtaylor: Could be, but I just think that you are not allowed to use it. (By contract) | 16:00 |
| Hfgklouggh | Or do i have to go into red pill mode? | 16:00 |
| X-Fade_ | robtaylor: They use the same cpu in other Nokia phones. And symbian does support the features. I don't think Nokia orders a few cpus separately for the tablets. | 16:01 |
| LoCusF | Hfgklouggh: find out how to get a root access and then run dpkg -i *crypt*.deb in the directory you downloaded them | 16:01 |
| Hfgklouggh | Ahh, ok thx | 16:02 |
| X-Fade_ | robtaylor: And the internet tablets are really just a few if you compare it to the 100M phones they ship every quarter ;) | 16:02 |
| Hfgklouggh | It works now | 16:04 |
| robtaylor | X-Fade_: could be =) | 16:05 |
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| Khertan | Hi | 16:05 |
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| hrw | guys: how much time does English service has for warranty repair? | 16:13 |
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| Cymor-Work | English service? | 16:14 |
| Tak | my English is out of warranty | 16:14 |
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| hrw | Cymor-Work: if I buy n810 in england and it will broke - how much time nokia has to repair it | 16:14 |
| LinuxCode | hrw, in the Uk | 16:15 |
| LinuxCode | warrantly is with the retailer for the first 30-60 days | 16:15 |
| LinuxCode | then its nokias responsiblity | 16:15 |
| LinuxCode | -l | 16:15 |
| LinuxCode | god my typing is useless today | 16:15 |
| hrw | and how long nokia can take device from me to repair it? | 16:15 |
| hrw | in Poland it is 3 weeks max | 16:16 |
| LinuxCode | i dont think theres a limit | 16:16 |
| LinuxCode | not sure about that one | 16:16 |
| hrw | ok | 16:17 |
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| michele | anybody took apart an N810 and took pictures of the boards? | 16:19 |
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| liri | an off-topic question I guess - can the n800/n810 play midi files? | 16:20 |
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| LinuxCode | liri, good one | 16:21 |
| LinuxCode | never tried | 16:21 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 16:21 |
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| hrw | liri: with additional software it should | 16:22 |
| hrw | timidity for example | 16:22 |
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| Veggen | uh. any compiz/ubuntu-desktop-experts here. | 16:24 |
| ph|ber | Veggen: what do you need? | 16:24 |
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| Veggen | to get back normal resolution again! | 16:25 |
| ph|ber | ? | 16:25 |
| Veggen | suddenly I got into an enlarged mode. | 16:25 |
| ph|ber | what video card are you running? | 16:25 |
| glass | shift-ctrl and + or - ? | 16:25 |
| glass | or what was that default keycombo for cycling between video modes | 16:26 |
| ph|ber | glass: i dont think that will work.. mine did the same recently.. after an update. | 16:26 |
| ph|ber | and to do a fresh install.... | 16:26 |
| ph|ber | i even tried making a new xorg.conf | 16:26 |
| ph|ber | nogo.. | 16:26 |
| ph|ber | and it is the + - of the numberkey.. | 16:26 |
| Veggen | it was some key combo that I pressed accidently, but it wasn't alt/ctrl-+/- | 16:27 |
| glass | huh | 16:27 |
| glass | maybe some accessability combo then | 16:27 |
| Veggen | yah, that was my guess. | 16:27 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, i knew i would regret getting a cheaper keyboard. seems that freedom have remapped in their drivers the > key (im using a scandinavian keyboard) onto what is normally the ' key... | 16:29 |
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| t_s_o | so when using HID i get ' when it hit what is marked with < | 16:29 |
| lophyte | hey all | 16:29 |
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| Tak | xrandr -s 0 ? | 16:30 |
| t_s_o | sure, i could use altgr+shift+z but that only gives me <, if i want > i should in theory use x but that gives me nothing (either a limit in the chip or bluetooth, dont know) | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | LinuxCode: incorrect, in the UK the Sales of Goods Act says the retailer is responsible always (usually up to about 7 years). Manufacturers may offer additional warranties on top of that, but a purchaser's first point of call should always be the retailer in lieu of anything better. | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | That's probably for hrw too :) | 16:31 |
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| lophyte | anyone else playing with debian on n8x0? | 16:31 |
| LinuxCode | they usually direct you to the manufacturer though | 16:31 |
| LinuxCode | as EU law came into force | 16:31 |
| LinuxCode | European warranty | 16:32 |
| LinuxCode | etc.. | 16:32 |
| LinuxCode | hich is probably better anyway | 16:32 |
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| LinuxCode | which* | 16:32 |
| t_s_o | hmm, maybe i should sit down, learn python and write up a gui xmodmap... | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | LinuxCode: true, but IIRC you don't have to let them push you on to the manufacturer - but as you say, it's often better. | 16:32 |
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| LinuxCode | Jaffa, thanks for that though | 16:32 |
| lophyte | t_s_o, for what? | 16:33 |
| t_s_o | so i can remap that damn bluetooth keyboard key, or something... | 16:33 |
| t_s_o | still, if i could access the soft keyboard while having a bluetooth keyboard active, i would be happy. its not like im planning to write html on this :P | 16:34 |
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| t_s_o | i just cant help wonder why they "moved" the key without moving the actual wiring, should have been that hard. but i guess its a reason why its cheaper then the nokia keyboard... | 16:35 |
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| lophyte | ah, lol | 16:37 |
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| liri | hrw: are you sure that this is now a hardware required issue? I believe the on board sound blaster should support it as well, plus there are probably drivers required | 16:39 |
| liri | even on my desktop there are problems playing a midi file | 16:39 |
| lophyte | anyone know the specifics on how Xomap uses the hw buttons? | 16:41 |
| lophyte | ie. where the configuration is | 16:41 |
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| Khertan | someone know a python tool to synchronize a local folder with an ftp ... (and a sync ... not just get ftp content) | 17:02 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:02 |
| cizarro | Khertan, rsync over ftpfs? ;-) | 17:03 |
| jackster | hmm, sorry for sounding incredibly dense but how do you remove the battery from an N800? | 17:05 |
| lophyte | pull? :P | 17:05 |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: you are one of those who made the debian port? | 17:05 |
| jackster | I'm trying :( | 17:05 |
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| lophyte | b0unc3, no I just mirror it | 17:05 |
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| lophyte | johnx did all the work | 17:05 |
| fugitivo | jackster: errrr, read the manual before braking something :) | 17:05 |
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| b0unc3 | lophyte: ok | 17:06 |
| lophyte | b0unc3, why do you ask? | 17:06 |
| jackster | fugitivo: it doesn't seem to say much about removing the battery | 17:07 |
| tekonivel | jackster: you need a little leverage | 17:07 |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: I have a problem with dpkg-repack | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | jackster, just tap it lightly on your palm. | 17:07 |
| lophyte | b0unc3, ah, I didn't install it that way, I just used the tarball | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hinges from the contact point. | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | So tap on the edge. | 17:07 |
| jackster | aha, GeneralAntilles you are a genius | 17:07 |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: ok np, I will wait johnx :P | 17:08 |
| lophyte | hehe | 17:08 |
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| lophyte | I'm trying to figure out how to get the hw buttons working | 17:08 |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: interesting... | 17:09 |
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| Blafasel | lophyte: xev doesn't print events? | 17:11 |
| tekonivel | Someone figure out how to utilize the headphone remote controller that come with nokia phones plskthx ;) | 17:11 |
| fysa | Khertan: I believe there is an rsync UI available on the repositories already | 17:12 |
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| fysa | and there are rsyncd servers available for everything imaginable. | 17:12 |
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| fysa | ftp doesn't sync. | 17:12 |
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| fysa | (as efficiently..) | 17:12 |
| Khertan | cizarro> rsync don't work with ftp ... | 17:13 |
| Khertan | and as i only have ftp ... no shell account | 17:13 |
| fysa | the problem is ftp. ftp is horrible. | 17:13 |
| fysa | you don't need shell for rsync.. | 17:13 |
| fysa | you would probably be better using 'wget' on some other machine to --mirror the ftp | 17:13 |
| Khertan | fysa>yes ftp is horrible ! | 17:14 |
| Blafasel | ftp is better than using http for file transfers, still ;) | 17:14 |
| cizarro | Khertan, over ftpsh | 17:14 |
| cizarro | ftpfs even. | 17:14 |
| fysa | then rsyncing from the other machine. | 17:14 |
| Khertan | Blafasel > lol | 17:14 |
| fysa | unless you don't mind retransfering entire files that have slight changes | 17:14 |
| fysa | then wget --mirror will be fine | 17:14 |
| Khertan | wget mirror ... | 17:14 |
| fysa | wget works with ftp:// | 17:14 |
| Khertan | so ... two wget one for get, one for push ... and a rsync in the middle ? | 17:15 |
| Khertan | ouch ... | 17:15 |
| Khertan | i think i should make a simple python script to do the job | 17:15 |
| fysa | you could do it with just wget, but you have to know ahead of time which server has the 'correct version' of something | 17:16 |
| cizarro | Khertan, rsync + ftpfs.. bleh. | 17:16 |
| Khertan | fysa > i ll always know .. :) | 17:16 |
| Khertan | ftpfs ? | 17:16 |
| Khertan | what that , | 17:16 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:16 |
| cizarro | fuse module that allows to mount ftp | 17:16 |
| cizarro | then run rsync "locally" against a local directory | 17:16 |
| Khertan | available on OS2008 ? | 17:17 |
| fysa | really? rsync works with ftpfs? | 17:17 |
| cizarro | ah, probably not | 17:17 |
| cizarro | fysa, why wouldn't it work? rsync works between two mount points just fine | 17:17 |
| cizarro | just not very optimal | 17:17 |
| fysa | limitations in the ftp protocol I thought | 17:17 |
| lophyte | Blafasel, no | 17:18 |
| fysa | i.e., how do you update a few bytes in the middle of a file without rewriting the entire thing | 17:18 |
| cizarro | you can't | 17:18 |
| lophyte | Blafasel, getkeys works though, so Xomap isn't getting them | 17:18 |
| fysa | right, and I just realized that you would just use it without that. | 17:18 |
| fysa | :) | 17:18 |
| fysa | why no ssh, Khertan? | 17:18 |
| fysa | web host? | 17:19 |
| fugitivo | is anyone using syncml for syncronization? | 17:19 |
| florian | not yet, but I am just looking into it. | 17:19 |
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| Tak | you can *update* a few bytes in the middle without rewriting the whole thing; you just can't *add* a few bytes in the middle without rewriting everything after that ;-) | 17:19 |
| fysa | heh | 17:20 |
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| lophyte | I think its a matter of connecting Xomap with hald | 17:20 |
| lophyte | since there's a hal daemon listening on the input devices | 17:20 |
| cizarro | Tak, using FTP? | 17:21 |
| tekonivel | dd over ssh? You update any single byte you want :) | 17:22 |
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| cizarro | assuming you can have shell access on the ftp host. | 17:23 |
| tekonivel | cizarro: t | 17:24 |
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| Khertan | and i ve only ftp. ... :( | 17:26 |
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| tekonivel | Khertan: do you know ncftp? | 17:28 |
| Khertan | tekonivel > no | 17:29 |
| tekonivel | Khertan: can run batchjobs | 17:29 |
| Khertan | this seems to not be running on maemo ... | 17:30 |
| Khertan | and seems there is no source available | 17:30 |
| Khertan | oups ... i ve found source | 17:30 |
| * alterego starts banging head on wall. | 17:32 | |
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| alterego | Just got to nail DNS servers and I'm ready to bring rubyx back up >:( | 17:32 |
| Tak | hooray! | 17:33 |
| Khertan | tekonivel> ncftp is able to sync a local dir on a distant ftp one ? | 17:34 |
| alterego | I've been dreading the DNS configuration Tak .. | 17:34 |
| ph|ber | anyone know if thunderbird runs on the 810? | 17:34 |
| alterego | Anyhow, stuff to do .. | 17:35 |
| Khertan | ph|ber > lol ... no ... | 17:36 |
| * Tak trying to find minimal-effort-required persistence solution | 17:36 | |
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| LinuxCode | correct me if Im wrong | 17:38 |
| LinuxCode | didnt N810 have a lftp ?!?! | 17:38 |
| * LinuxCode checks dpkg | 17:38 | |
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| LinuxCode | gues not | 17:39 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 17:39 |
| Khertan | no lftp ... | 17:40 |
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| Khertan | but ncftp is available ... | 17:40 |
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| tekonivel | Khertan: the usefulness of ncftp are the ncftp{get,put} utilities | 17:40 |
| Khertan | yeah i see ... | 17:41 |
| lophyte | ugh, so close | 17:41 |
| zoran | sftp? | 17:41 |
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| Khertan | but it s not more difficult to put and get in python | 17:41 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:41 |
| Khertan | the main work is doing the sync process | 17:42 |
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| tekonivel | Khertan: :) that's right | 17:42 |
| tekonivel | Khertan: so the files themselves change, not only contents of directories? | 17:43 |
| thopiekar | hi @ all | 17:44 |
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| tekonivel | thopiekar: y0 | 17:46 |
| Khertan | tekonivel> yest | 17:46 |
| elb | hah letstalk just got around to telling me my n810 is backordered today -- the day it was supposed to arrive | 17:48 |
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| fugitivo | elb: it seems we all run the same luck | 17:51 |
| fugitivo | we waited so long... and now the ETA is Feb 12 | 17:51 |
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| elb | I don't mind the wait, particularly -- but it's annoying that they didn't tell me that when I placed my *order* | 17:53 |
| fugitivo | it seems that they don't have an intelligent stock system... | 17:54 |
| LinuxCode | or demand is too high | 17:54 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 17:54 |
| elb | even if demand is too high, they should know they're out of inventory at the time of order | 17:54 |
| fugitivo | yes, but if you have a realtime stock system you remove stock as people buy the device | 17:54 |
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| Tak | maybe they wait until payment is verified or similar | 17:55 |
| fugitivo | that's wrong, they should remove the stock and if payment is not valid put the stock again | 17:55 |
| elb | it claimed payment was verified when I checked out | 17:55 |
| elb | really, it's a shady system | 17:56 |
| elb | there's not really any making excuses for it | 17:56 |
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| elb | I'm not going to go off the deep end and blame nokia or say they ruined by life by giving me a free $350 or anything, like the kids on itt | 17:56 |
| elb | but letstalk is kind of ghetto nonetheless | 17:56 |
| Tak | fugitivo: that would allow somebody to DoS the system ;-) | 17:56 |
| elb | only someone with a lot of valid credit card numbers ready to be denied | 17:57 |
| elb | which means ... someone easy to find and prosecute | 17:57 |
| fugitivo | Tak: well, there are ways to prevent that without pissing off the customer | 17:57 |
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| Tak | credit card numbers use a simple checksum | 17:57 |
| fugitivo | you can use a realtime service to check the credit card | 17:58 |
| fugitivo | not only check if the number is valid | 17:58 |
| fysa | javascript code is available even ;) | 17:58 |
| elb | Tak: but online retailers check in real time | 17:58 |
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| fugitivo | that services work with webservices and there're a lot of companies that offers that | 17:59 |
| elb | they know immediately whether or not your number exists and is associated with an active account | 17:59 |
| korpios | walked in halfway here ... but letstalk made me jump through hoops to prove I was, err, *me*, when I ordered yesterday | 17:59 |
| elb | and they know within *seconds* or less, whether or not the order is going to go through | 17:59 |
| fysa | has anyone tried tethering with a boost mobile prepaid? | 17:59 |
| fugitivo | elb: that's what i'm talking about | 17:59 |
| elb | korpios: I have seen that from a lot of people, but I didn't have to tell them anything | 17:59 |
| fugitivo | i did a lot of ecommerce development and I think letstalk is missing some basic features :) | 17:59 |
| elb | I used the online system, though, and lots of people seem to have called | 17:59 |
| glass | huh boost mobile is a real brand?-)) only saw it on athf | 17:59 |
| korpios | elb: they had to run this whole system asking multiple-choice what addresses I've lived at before, etc | 18:00 |
| fysa | once upon a time, I head there was a way to get 24/7 unlimited data tethering with a prepaid 'minutes' plan for $16/mo | 18:00 |
| fysa | .. heard | 18:00 |
| elb | and, as far as letstalk's inventory ... I ordered early in the morning on Tuesday, when the codes went live, so I'm doubting many people (if any) actually received one that wasn't backordered | 18:00 |
| DaniloCesar | Someone here knows Gnuit? (John) | 18:00 |
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| fugitivo | elb: me too, maybe they only had one device in stock :) | 18:01 |
| korpios | lol ... that would figure. | 18:01 |
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| zoran | logout | 18:01 |
| elb | fugitivo: I'm guessing they didn't have any, they'd listed out of stock for days | 18:02 |
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| fugitivo | elb: that's playing with our illusion | 18:07 |
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| Spakman | if there a way to setup alt-tab behaviour in OS2008? Or a keybinding to swap between xterm tabs? | 18:07 |
| * Spakman crosses fingers | 18:07 | |
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| zoran | Spakman, screen | 18:08 |
| Spakman | zoran: ah, of course! Thanks for making the obvious obvious to the blind! | 18:08 |
| Tak | doesn't ctrl+pg(up|dn) work for tab-switching? | 18:09 |
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| Spakman | Tak: I don't remember that working (but I'll try when I get back to my bluetooth keyboard) | 18:10 |
| * Tak shrugs | 18:10 | |
| Spakman | What about alt-tab type switching between applications? | 18:10 |
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| inz | Spakman, matchbox conf file is probably your friend | 18:12 |
| inz | Spakman, no idea where it lives though :/ | 18:12 |
| lophyte | damn it... | 18:12 |
| lophyte | the keypad buttons don't like me | 18:13 |
| inz | nobody likes me *sniff* | 18:13 |
| lophyte | lol | 18:13 |
| Spakman | inz: thanks, I'll start digging :) | 18:13 |
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| jott | Spakman: you could also use "matchbox-remote -next" ;) | 18:16 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, im starting to think that my problem with altgr+shift+x isnt a keyboard issue, but a tablet software issue... | 18:19 |
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| Spakman | jott: thanks, could be a good one if I can't map combinations in Matchbox itself | 18:21 |
| t_s_o | nope, its a keyboard issue after all. xev registers both the modifier keys but not the "more" key... | 18:21 |
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| zoran | xmodmap could help? | 18:23 |
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| jott | Spakman: well the easiest solution would be to create ~/.matchbox/kbdconfig make your definitions and do matchbox-remote -keys-reload | 18:25 |
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| t_s_o | sometimes i just love the fact that the N800 runs linux. xev and xmodmap to the rescue :D | 18:28 |
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| lophyte | i wish xev/xmodmap worked for me | 18:28 |
| jott | lophyte: what's the problem? | 18:29 |
| lophyte | oh, nothing, just playing with Debian on my n800 | 18:29 |
| t_s_o | ah | 18:29 |
| lophyte | can't get the hw buttons to work | 18:29 |
| lophyte | HAL picks them up but I can't get Xomap to see them | 18:29 |
| lophyte | I have a feeling Xomap doesn't even look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf so my config changes are futile | 18:30 |
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| jott | lophyte: sure.. Xomap is compiled without config support | 18:30 |
| zoran | lophyte, the xmodmap is just the first step | 18:30 |
| lophyte | jott, that would do it... | 18:30 |
| lophyte | so the question is, how do I get Xomap to see the keys | 18:30 |
| lophyte | without config support | 18:31 |
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| jott | lophyte: have you the right xkb files in place? | 18:31 |
| lophyte | I copied /usr/share/X11/xkb from ITOS to Debian.. | 18:31 |
| lophyte | not sure what else to do | 18:31 |
| lophyte | maybe /etc/X11/xkb | 18:32 |
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| jott | have you xkbutils installed? | 18:33 |
| jott | i suppose you might need this to activate the mapping. | 18:34 |
| lophyte | yes I do.. | 18:34 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, is it the rx-44 keyboard map thats used by bluetooth keyboards? | 18:36 |
| jott | the rx-44 is the internal n810 keyboard | 18:36 |
| t_s_o | ah | 18:37 |
| jott | (but it might also be used for bt keyboards) | 18:37 |
| jott | lophyte: have you tried forcing the layout with setxkbdmap -config rx-44 or something? | 18:37 |
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| jott | (well assuming you use n810 .. dunno about n800 maps) | 18:38 |
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| lophyte | hm, nope.. didn't know about that command, lol | 18:40 |
| lophyte | I guess the question would be which device to set it to... evdev doesn't work | 18:42 |
| pupnik | /lastlog synergy | 18:42 |
| pupnik | oops | 18:42 |
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| rshortt | I can't seem to find a link to instructions on how to update the OS on my N800... I have the bin.. | 18:58 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i think ill just leave a file in the user home area and throw it at xmodmap whenever i should happen to reboot my N800 | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | rshortt, man, you must REALLY not be looking. | 18:59 |
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| rshortt | GeneralAntilles: lol, relly I am.... i must be blind | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | What OS? | 19:00 |
| t_s_o | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 19:00 |
| rshortt | gah, I was in Documentation, not Wiki | 19:01 |
| rshortt | redundant | 19:01 |
| rshortt | t_s_o: thanks | 19:01 |
| rshortt | GeneralAntilles: just 2008 update | 19:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Computer OS. | 19:02 |
| t_s_o | crap, i need to do the alterations to the keyboard each time i connect it. looks like i better find out what file to edit... | 19:02 |
| t_s_o | one thing to wish for, a gui bluetooth keymap editor... | 19:02 |
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| Khertan | bye | 19:04 |
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| lophyte | gah | 19:05 |
| lophyte | I think hal-setup-keymap has something to do with it | 19:05 |
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| rshortt | GeneralAntilles: linux of course :) flashing | 19:06 |
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| msanchez | hi all | 19:15 |
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| msanchez | doesn anybody knows why a hidden application (gtk_widget_hide on the main hildon window) which receives Dbus-messages always print a information banner wach time it receives messages | 19:16 |
| msanchez | such as "Application name - loading" | 19:16 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, how do i add something to the launch menu? | 19:19 |
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| msanchez | you need a .desktop file installed under /usr/share/applications/hildon | 19:20 |
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| t_s_o | ah, ok | 19:21 |
| korpios | Ooo ... my estimated LetsTalk ship is today, woohoo | 19:25 |
| korpios | I hope they're not fucking with me :-) | 19:25 |
| Tak | I wouldn't start celebrating until I had a tracking number in-hand | 19:26 |
| korpios | yeah, I know | 19:26 |
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| pupnik | Any python develoeprs / fans can jump in and start hacking on gemrb btw. All the GUIScripts are in python. | 19:50 |
| Tak | I know, I was hoping, from the name, that some part of it would be ruby | 19:51 |
| pupnik | hehe | 19:52 |
| pupnik | Tak have you tried it on device yet? | 19:53 |
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| Tak | no, I'd need a card with a few gigs free | 19:53 |
| Tak | I did build it, though | 19:54 |
| korpios | Oh man ... it'll be fantastic to play Baldur's Gate, etc ... of course, I gave away my old Planescape: Torment CDs, doh ^_^ | 19:54 |
| fysa | wow | 19:55 |
| Tak | I'll probably give it a try once I get around to getting a n810 | 19:55 |
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| pupnik | korpios: the Bioware games lend themselves incredibly well to tablet/stylus play | 19:58 |
| fysa | the other I'd like to work on is the X-Com port | 19:59 |
| korpios | pupnik: considering that I never finished any of them (bad me!), it'll be a fun incentive ... I miss how much *stuff* got packed into those games | 19:59 |
| fysa | http://ufoai.sourceforge.net/ | 19:59 |
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| fysa | based on the Quetoo engine. | 19:59 |
| pupnik | i just got the 4 dvd baldurs gate set for 10 euro fysa. they run great under wine | 20:00 |
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| fysa | http://ufoai.ninex.info/gallery/ingame-screenshots/ | 20:00 |
| fysa | I believe that interface would suit a stylus well. | 20:00 |
| Tak | pupnik: nwn doesn't use that engine, does it? | 20:00 |
| fysa | nope | 20:00 |
| pupnik | it does not | 20:00 |
| fysa | that's the iso/2D engine | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | hmmm thanks pupnik, you mentioning wine gives me an idea (hiya btw) | 20:08 |
| pupnik | huhu | 20:09 |
| lcuk | mmmmm beer | 20:09 |
| pupnik | don't play baldurs gate! code! http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif | 20:09 |
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| ccooke | ... What's this about Baldur's Gate? There's no way that would run on the ITT... | 20:13 |
| ccooke | (at least, I certainly can't think of any that would work) | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITT? :P | 20:14 |
| ccooke | (Actually, I *can*, and it *would* work, but it would be a monstrous amount of work and fall afoul of copyright :-) | 20:14 |
| fysa | there's a GPL port of the engine, ccooke. | 20:14 |
| fysa | well. more of a reverse engineer? | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not if you own a copy of the data. | 20:14 |
| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: finger slip :-) Internet TableT, I suppose :-) | 20:15 |
| ccooke | fysa: there is? | 20:15 |
| ccooke | *blink* | 20:15 |
| fysa | of course there is. | 20:15 |
| fysa | :) | 20:15 |
| ccooke | does it work? | 20:15 |
| fysa | google and find it. :) | 20:15 |
| fysa | if you're so interested ;) | 20:15 |
| ccooke | just did :-) | 20:15 |
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| ccooke | how the hell did I not find that?! | 20:16 |
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| jott | hmm interesting the jalimo java packages support swing on os2008. | 20:17 |
| lcuk | google hides lots of things from you until you look. it would be surprising if they actually sent out notifications of new search terms | 20:17 |
| ccooke | jott: ooh, that's good. Still no browlser lpugin, right? | 20:17 |
| jott | ccooke: i don't think so.. | 20:18 |
| fysa | cute | 20:18 |
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| jott | i just tested a heavy awt application and it works quite ok | 20:18 |
| ccooke | lcuk: Ah, but I've played through BGII about once every 18 months for the last few years or so - and every time, it's long enough that I've lost all the mods etc :-) | 20:18 |
| ccooke | so I *have* been searching for BGII stuff | 20:18 |
| fysa | jott: Try Azureus and/or OpenOffice? ;) | 20:18 |
| jott | i guess there are some floating point issues that cause render errors or so.. | 20:18 |
| jott | fysa: hehe azureus is swt not swing/awt :p | 20:19 |
| jott | that worked for a while.. (though i've not dared to test it on the IT :) | 20:19 |
| Tak | swt is even better - even gcj/gij can deal with swt | 20:20 |
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| jott | Tak: sure swt has it advantages but i suppose awt/swing support is more of a compatibility issue to run java applet etc.. | 20:20 |
| Tak | yes, I'm merely speaking from an "easy to get running on a tablet" standpoint | 20:21 |
| pupnik | Tak the channel is #gemrb btw | 20:21 |
| t_s_o | ah, my bluetooth keyboard was not using the rx-44 config, but the default no one for norwegian keyboards. after swapping two lines in that, i now have a fully working keyboard :D | 20:21 |
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| jott | Tak: yeah.. well swing/awt seems to work quite ok (using gtk to render) | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MIR, but still a good deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820141247&Tpk=pqi%2b8gb%2bsdhc | 20:23 |
| fysa | wow, no kidding | 20:24 |
| * Tak try to determine expansion of MIR | 20:24 | |
| fysa | mail-in-rebate | 20:24 |
| fysa | mail-in rebate | 20:24 |
| t_s_o | still, getting to grips with vim in the osso terminal was confusing... | 20:24 |
| fysa | mail in-rebate | 20:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You have to find this to get the cheaper price: http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/01145/pics/RKA/mir.jpg | 20:25 |
| fysa | class 6 still the fastest? | 20:25 |
| Tak | ah | 20:25 |
| fysa | and has anyone tested a 48MHz SD kernel? | 20:25 |
| lophyte | 8gb would be awesome | 20:26 |
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| * elb plans to buy a miniSD card in about March, when he expects his tablet might feasibly arrive | 20:26 | |
| fysa | 16GB cards work, right? | 20:26 |
| pupnik | even the movies run fairly smooth on the tablet Tak :) | 20:26 |
| fysa | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208377 | 20:26 |
| Tak | pupnik: that's very, very, very nice | 20:27 |
| b0unc3 | in which package is dsmetool ? | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cards up to 2048GB should work fine, fysa. :P | 20:27 |
| lophyte | b0unc3, you can copy it directly from ITOS I think | 20:27 |
| fysa | but gah, I know that I will stack up on these things and then end up with an N810. | 20:27 |
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| lophyte | b0unc3, did you get debian working? | 20:28 |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: I have tried... but dosen't work | 20:28 |
| lophyte | ah | 20:28 |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: I'm working on it now | 20:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fysa, N900, N900, N900. :P | 20:30 |
| fysa | you really think they will go back to SD after this MicroSD business? | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, but I wouldn't waste the cash on an N810. | 20:31 |
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| elb | I wouldn't pay $400 for one ... but i wouldn't pay $400 for an n800, either, whereas $230 is pretty attractive | 20:31 |
| Tak | they went to full-SD from rs-mmc | 20:31 |
| fysa | depends on how well KDE/debian/synergy/X11 forwarding works. ;) | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tak, be nice, but it wont happen. | 20:33 |
| fysa | internal SD, external Micro .. or vice-versa. | 20:34 |
| fysa | would make me happy ;) | 20:34 |
| lophyte | the n810 only takes rs-mmc? | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | minisd | 20:35 |
| lophyte | aw, that sucks | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yessir. | 20:35 |
| lophyte | if I ever upgrade to an n810 I'll have to go buy all new minisd cards | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly, for me, the N810 is a big downgrade over the N800. | 20:35 |
| dhd | yeah it's silly, I wonder why they didn't just go to microsd | 20:35 |
| fysa | except it looks cooler and has a keyboard. | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | dhd, dual microsd slots I could go for. | 20:35 |
| fysa | dual anything would be helpful. | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, and costs way more, has less storage, and crappier button arrangement. :P | 20:36 |
| fysa | having 32GB on the N800 is an attractive prospect. | 20:36 |
| lcuk | they needed at least one onboard fixed memory card to store the maps for gps, and to keep the design specs compatible with 800 they couldnt add a new slot (or thats what i think). as for the choice of size... | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | and 64GB when the N810 will probably still be stuck at 18GB | 20:36 |
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| lophyte | is there a small enough BT keyboard that you could use with the n800 vs. the builtin one on the 810? | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk: just ship the things with a pre-loaded 2gb card. | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem solved. | 20:37 |
| lcuk | no because it can be removed | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | iGo Stowaway. | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and so can the N800's internal SD which is used to store maps. | 20:37 |
| dhd | yeah the stowaway is about the same size of the N800 folded up | 20:37 |
| lcuk | the n800 folds up? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | ;) | 20:37 |
| fysa | I was thinking about using motion capture software with the N800 webcam to hover my hands over and pick up twitches/positioning as key presses | 20:37 |
| dhd | :) | 20:37 |
| lophyte | ouch | 20:38 |
| lophyte | $98 | 20:38 |
| fysa | ;) | 20:38 |
| dhd | you can get them for $30 on eBay | 20:38 |
| fysa | there is a crappy 'laser' keyboard. | 20:38 |
| fysa | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ | 20:38 |
| fysa | but I've never tried it. | 20:38 |
| lcuk | fysa, it would be more like a theremin | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, it's more garbagy than you can possibly imagine. | 20:39 |
| fysa | haha, nice. that is true. theremin board. | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lophyte, amazon had them for $30 over the holidays. | 20:39 |
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| lophyte | might be worth looking into... | 20:39 |
| lophyte | has anyone tried it with the n800? | 20:40 |
| * dhd has one, it works well | 20:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it works perfectly. | 20:40 |
| lophyte | nie | 20:40 |
| lophyte | nice* | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The built-in stand is perfect on the N800. | 20:41 |
| dhd | except that the up-arrow key is where the / key should be | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 20:41 |
| lophyte | GeneralAntilles, that's what I wanted to hear | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | You get used to it. | 20:41 |
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| fugitivo | hey | 20:42 |
| fugitivo | who has his order backordered from letstalk? | 20:43 |
| fugitivo | i checked again my order status and now it shows as "shipped" | 20:43 |
| Tak | the n810 is a downgrade for my usage as well | 20:43 |
| elb | fugitivo: me | 20:43 |
| fugitivo | Order Shipped On: Thursday, January 24, 2008 | 20:43 |
| Tak | fugitivo: tracking number? | 20:43 |
| fugitivo | check again your order status | 20:43 |
| lophyte | http://cgi.ebay.ca/Think-Outside-XTBTUE-iGo-Stowaway-Bluetooth-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ250208910419QQihZ015QQcategoryZ133241QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 20:43 |
| lophyte | good price ^ | 20:43 |
| elb | fugitivo: I have 'estimated shipping date' of today | 20:43 |
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| fugitivo | Jan 24, 2008Â Â 11:25 AM Package data transmitted to FedEx | 20:44 |
| fugitivo | that's the last status... | 20:44 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: nice that thinkgeek has it for $150, while amazon sold it for $30 ... | 20:44 |
| fugitivo | maybe tomorrow or next next | 20:44 |
| fugitivo | week | 20:45 |
| blassey | does anyone know how to install persian fonts onto the n800? | 20:48 |
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| blassey | the issue being rendering bbc.com/persian in the browser | 20:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | blassey, find yourself a persian font and stick it in /home/user/.fonts | 20:57 |
| * czr peeks | 20:58 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles pokes czr in the yes. | 20:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | s/yes/eyes/ | 20:59 |
| inz | czr, you've been seen, now it's our turn to hide | 21:00 |
| * czr pokes GeneralAntilles in the no | 21:00 | |
| czr | s/no/nose/ | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 21:00 |
| czr | inz, it is too late, for I've seen you :-) | 21:00 |
| * czr considers doing something useful | 21:00 | |
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| blassey | GeneralAntilles: thanks, trying that now | 21:03 |
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| b0unc3 | uhm... white screen... not bad... | 21:10 |
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| b0unc3 | wowow | 21:11 |
| b0unc3 | work!!! | 21:11 |
| b0unc3 | :P | 21:11 |
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| vandenoever | hi, i've problem with the maemo 2008 media player | 21:16 |
| pupnik | just one? | 21:16 |
| vandenoever | when i run an mp3 stream in it, my wireless router crashes | 21:16 |
| lophyte | canola! :P | 21:16 |
| vandenoever | pupnik: :-) | 21:16 |
| fysa | haha | 21:16 |
| fysa | that's a new one? | 21:16 |
| vandenoever | seriously, i've been looking for ages why my new dsl modem crashes, but it's due to my n800 | 21:16 |
| * pupnik is impressed | 21:17 | |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: fyi the debian-port work great on 770 :P | 21:17 |
| vandenoever | if i play from my linux laptop all is well | 21:17 |
| lophyte | b0unc3, awesome | 21:17 |
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| fysa | what if you just transfer any large file? | 21:17 |
| X-Fade_ | vandenoever: try switching from wep to wpa or reverse. See if it still happens.. | 21:17 |
| vandenoever | fysa: i've no tried, but application updates are really slwo | 21:17 |
| vandenoever | X-Fade_: i'm using wpa atm | 21:18 |
| vandenoever | i think i prefer trying the file transfer | 21:18 |
| vandenoever | can i ssh out from the n800? | 21:18 |
| X-Fade_ | Sure, if you install openssh.. | 21:18 |
| fysa | you could probably scp if you have openssh installed | 21:18 |
| vandenoever | then i can pipe something over that | 21:18 |
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| vandenoever | can you give me a link to the repo for that? | 21:19 |
| fysa | timeless.justdave in the topic | 21:19 |
| X-Fade_ | vandenoever: extras :) | 21:19 |
| fysa | has a big pack of all repos I believe | 21:19 |
| fysa | some may give issues, but it sounds like you know what you're doing | 21:19 |
| vandenoever | only slightly ;-) | 21:20 |
| vandenoever | is there another streaming app, apart from canola? | 21:20 |
| fysa | 'streamtuner' is a new one | 21:21 |
| vandenoever | e.g. wget | ogg123 ? | 21:21 |
| fysa | but it's for shoutcast-type stuff I think. | 21:21 |
| X-Fade_ | vandenoever: mplayer? | 21:21 |
| lophyte | i love canola | 21:21 |
| fysa | I think it uses mplayer. | 21:21 |
| fysa | I have nfs mount, but have not mounted my Audio/ share.. I fear it will be painfully slow to scan/id3/check for covers. ;) | 21:22 |
| vandenoever | the 'set password' dialog of openssh is just lovely | 21:22 |
| vandenoever | it shows each character for one second before changing it into a '*' | 21:22 |
| lophyte | most password fields do that | 21:22 |
| X-Fade_ | vandenoever: Welcome to the default password textbox :) | 21:22 |
| Tak | lol | 21:22 |
| * vandenoever is rather unimpressed with the widget set | 21:22 | |
| lophyte | the password fields in microb do that too.. | 21:22 |
| vandenoever | default screen looks nice though | 21:23 |
| X-Fade_ | vandenoever: As you can easily type the same char twice on a touchscreen, that can be a big help.. | 21:23 |
| vandenoever | X-Fade_: so it's design? | 21:23 |
| vandenoever | X-Fade_: i can also count the stars | 21:23 |
| X-Fade_ | vandenoever: Yeah, even nokia phones do that.. | 21:23 |
| vandenoever | ok | 21:24 |
| fysa | easy enough to hide the device from prying eyes | 21:24 |
| * Jaffa agrees - showing the char's a good feature all-in-all | 21:24 | |
| Tak | agree | 21:25 |
| fysa | but don't let this fool you, vandenoever | 21:26 |
| fysa | there are at least 10,000 things that we CAN complain about. | 21:26 |
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| xment | another problem, after upgrading to os2008, the text autocompletion feature suddenly disappeared | 21:27 |
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| Jaffa | fysa: ah, we've dropped a couple of orders of magnitude recently? | 21:29 |
| lmoura | alterego, are you the ruby maintainer? | 21:29 |
| fysa | don't want to scare anyone away ;) | 21:29 |
| Tak | maybe he categorizes things broadly | 21:29 |
| fysa | I actually typed 100,000 and revised before sending ;) | 21:29 |
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| * Jaffa only has 3 categories: 1) Things that suck really bad; 2) Things that suck quite a lot; 3) Things that suck less than the other 2. | 21:30 | |
| Tak | that's one of the things I used to like about the 'talk' command - it sent /every/ character | 21:30 |
| pupnik | ever see 'hunt' tak? :) | 21:30 |
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| Tak | I hate y^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWant to go out? | 21:30 |
| Tak | pupnik: no? | 21:30 |
| fysa | My most hated category is "things that suck so bad that their level of suck proliferates throughout dependencies affecting neighbors and causing an atomic suckfest" | 21:31 |
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| Tak | fysa: leave my software out of this | 21:31 |
| fysa | haha | 21:31 |
| * vandenoever is piping a dvd over openssh to his n800 ... | 21:31 | |
| fysa | sounds hot | 21:32 |
| pupnik | twas a great multiplayer real time shooter game back in the late 80s - top view maze, many players at once | 21:32 |
| pupnik | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Hunt | 21:32 |
| vandenoever | going a 700k atm, so not all that fast | 21:32 |
| fysa | but it's not barfing yet? | 21:32 |
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| fysa | (apologize for all the technical terms) | 21:33 |
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| Tak | hah, so it's like a nethack fps | 21:33 |
| vandenoever | what's the OMAP McSPI/0 process? | 21:33 |
| fysa | that's what is keeping me from using nfs to stream perfectly good divx/xvid encodes (not re-encodes) to mplayer. ;) | 21:34 |
| fysa | I think it eats a good 10-25% CPU for me | 21:34 |
| fysa | during high network activity | 21:34 |
| vandenoever | 38% here | 21:34 |
| vandenoever | and 58% for openssh | 21:35 |
| vandenoever | is it the wireless driver? | 21:35 |
| fysa | regardless, 700k is enough to stream audio and if it hasn't caused your router to crash already, it's going to be something else. | 21:35 |
| fysa | try the mplayer package maybe? | 21:36 |
| fysa | I believe it will stream from a URL. | 21:36 |
| vandenoever | sometimes it takes 2hours of radio streaming to crash the router | 21:36 |
| fysa | ah | 21:36 |
| vandenoever | so i'm letting it run | 21:36 |
| fysa | if it takes 2 hours, I'd be inclined to blame the router | 21:36 |
| fysa | which is it? | 21:36 |
| vandenoever | of course the router is to blame | 21:37 |
| korpios | I'm showing Ready to Ship, which is an improvement ^_^ | 21:37 |
| vandenoever | it should not crash, ever | 21:37 |
| Tak | wait, Shipped => Ready to Ship is an improvement? | 21:37 |
| fysa | I tossed a linksys that was crashing.. | 21:38 |
| fysa | and picked up an ASUS and put OpenWRT/X-Wrt on it.. | 21:38 |
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| fysa | here's an idea. | 21:38 |
| fysa | (unrelated) | 21:38 |
| fysa | there are NAS devices out there with armel processors | 21:38 |
| fysa | 600MHz+ I believe? | 21:39 |
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| fysa | no, that's a horrible idea. | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you're a horrible person for having it. | 21:40 |
| Tak | agreed | 21:40 |
| fysa | I deserved it. | 21:40 |
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| dorkybot | korpios: mine is in the same "ready to ship" batch | 21:41 |
| fysa | but I suppose you COULD use a USB video out with one of those and try to shoehorn maemo onto it with a touchscreen interface ;) | 21:41 |
| dorkybot | 2 day shipping my foot | 21:41 |
| korpios | dorkybot: you showing Tuesday as your arrival date, too? | 21:42 |
| dorkybot | yes | 21:42 |
| korpios | mmm | 21:42 |
| korpios | no reason it shouldn't get here Sat | 21:42 |
| korpios | Sat would be perfect, in fact | 21:42 |
| dorkybot | can't wait, already thinking of all the ssh/voip stuff i'm going to set up | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has anybody gotten ITOS running on something other than a Nokia device? | 21:42 |
| Tak | what are we calling ITOS? | 21:43 |
| korpios | I can't wait to have something back in my pocket I can actually run Terminal on without "hacking", ugh ^_^ | 21:43 |
| vivijim | hi, I have a patch to submit to xomap... does anyone know where can I find the git and mailing list of xomap? | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tak, not sure. :P | 21:43 |
| korpios | oh geez, OS X is killing my brain. I just said "Terminal" rather than "a terminal". | 21:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I was thinking the firmware that we flash onto our devices, but that really doesn't make sense for non-Nokia stuff. | 21:44 |
| dorkybot | n810 will be tethered to the evdo laptop by bluetooth | 21:44 |
| fysa | I think those NAS' would really be close. you should be able to use a debian-armel kernel and maemo repositories/distro | 21:44 |
| dorkybot | they sniff for wifi here at work | 21:44 |
| fysa | the only thing we really have to offer are *cough* packages and a hildon environment | 21:45 |
| dorkybot | the future holds great things with kde and qt4 | 21:45 |
| fysa | I don't see anyone breaking down our door to get microb running on a non-IT device (no offense timeless :)) | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if Ubuntu Mobile would pick up steam. | 21:46 |
| korpios | KDE4 is sorely tempting me | 21:46 |
| dorkybot | 4.1 maybe | 21:46 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, agreed | 21:46 |
| fysa | Ubuntu Mobile, this time next year. | 21:46 |
| LinuxCode | be better of fedora got going too | 21:46 |
| dorkybot | UM screenshots look nice | 21:46 |
| lcuk | would be nice to run steam on maemo | 21:46 |
| |tbb| | anyone with scratchbox (chinook ) enviroment, around? | 21:46 |
| Tak | |tbb|: yes | 21:47 |
| LinuxCode | |tbb|, check amemo site for vmware image | 21:47 |
| fysa | what's wrong with it now? | 21:47 |
| fysa | nothing released? | 21:47 |
| LinuxCode | maemo | 21:47 |
| lophyte | UM is still in really early stages of development | 21:47 |
| LinuxCode | if you want a quick start | 21:47 |
| lophyte | they only announced it in like november | 21:47 |
| fysa | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/RSSReaderUI | 21:47 |
| fysa | (notice the resolution) | 21:48 |
| |tbb| | tak, do you got a little spare time? | 21:48 |
| Tak | maybe a little ;-) | 21:48 |
| |tbb| | http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/dists/mistral/user/source/dbus-scripts_1.0-2.tar.gz need someone with knowledge to try to compile that for chinook | 21:48 |
| |tbb| | would you | 21:48 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | More users of hildon/matchbox is better for us. | 21:49 |
| LinuxCode | |tbb|, just grab the vmware images | 21:49 |
| LinuxCode | and compile it yourself | 21:49 |
| LinuxCode | does maemo even have dbus ?!?! | 21:49 |
| lophyte | yes | 21:49 |
| LinuxCode | ohh wait yes it does | 21:49 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 21:49 |
| LinuxCode | I recalled reading soemthing | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode: <_< :P | 21:49 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 21:49 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, installed amsn | 21:50 |
| * Tak want debian-armel image with full hardware support + hildon + matchbox | 21:50 | |
| LinuxCode | works fine | 21:50 |
| LinuxCode | with webcam and all | 21:50 |
| * lcuk thinks linux code missed dbus | 21:50 | |
| fysa | there we go. johnx's debian-armel as basis for Ubuntu Mobile UI. | 21:50 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, I miss a lot | 21:50 |
| LinuxCode | btw hi! | 21:50 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 21:50 |
| lcuk | hiya | 21:50 |
| * lcuk munches on bacon n egg | 21:50 | |
| * LinuxCode wants a nice pint of cold cider | 21:51 | |
| Tak | is the vkb proprietary, or part of hildon? | 21:51 |
| * LinuxCode however, has a deadline | 21:51 | |
| Tak | |tbb|: ok, it's built, now what? | 21:51 |
| fysa | http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/scrawl.html | 21:52 |
| LinuxCode | Tak, you built it ? | 21:52 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 21:52 |
| LinuxCode | that was quick sir | 21:52 |
| LinuxCode | I hope they sort out wxGTK soon | 21:52 |
| |tbb| | tak: thx, got a place to upload it or would u email it to me? | 21:52 |
| elb | fugitivo: I just shipped, too | 21:52 |
| Tak | no hosting right now | 21:53 |
| fysa | I would have tried to get en_GK working on the N800 if it had | on the unshifted vkb ;) | 21:53 |
| LinuxCode | ohh btw guys | 21:53 |
| LinuxCode | you know the Chr key... | 21:53 |
| LinuxCode | when the menu comes up | 21:54 |
| LinuxCode | it now goes to the bottom part | 21:54 |
| LinuxCode | instead of where the pipe symbol is | 21:54 |
| LinuxCode | anyway to change that ? | 21:54 |
| LinuxCode | kinda nnoying | 21:54 |
| lcuk | tried rebooting | 21:54 |
| LinuxCode | hhmmm | 21:55 |
| LinuxCode | I did reboot since yes | 21:55 |
| fugitivo | elb: great! | 21:55 |
| LinuxCode | battery ran out | 21:55 |
| * lcuk knows this is the answer to all sorts of windows problems, but what the hey... | 21:55 | |
| LinuxCode | its weird mate | 21:55 |
| elb | they're saying that my 2-day delivery should be here by Tuesday | 21:55 |
| lcuk | i try never to touch that chr key because i hate the onscreen stuff jumping | 21:55 |
| elb | so I'm assuming "shipped" means "FedEx will pick it up tomorrow" | 21:56 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, well how do ya get a pipe then ? | 21:56 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 21:56 |
| lcuk | elb, i got super next working day and ordered tuesday arrived thursday... | 21:56 |
| LinuxCode | bit shit when Im sshd | 21:56 |
| lcuk | i havent needed pipe yet... | 21:56 |
| LinuxCode | pipe symbol should have had its own key! | 21:56 |
| |tbb| | tak see pm | 21:56 |
| lcuk | and slippers key | 21:56 |
| lcuk | i got annoyed about lack of tab key more than pipe | 21:57 |
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| LinuxCode | wiiiii | 21:57 |
| Tak | I need to make a modified fullscreen kb | 21:57 |
| LinuxCode | I just made a short cut | 21:57 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 21:57 |
| lcuk | until i found a comfortable dev env using windows full keybard and since a full usb one | 21:57 |
| LinuxCode | now I dont even have to push chr anymore | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tak, can you make it so it's not retarded about touchscreen position? :P | 21:58 |
| lcuk | im gonna code up my old pda and use it as an extended keyboard for my 810 | 21:58 |
| LinuxCode | meh | 21:58 |
| Tak | how is it retarded about touchscreen position? | 21:58 |
| LinuxCode | I put in | as value | 21:58 |
| LinuxCode | dont work | 21:58 |
| dorkybot | yep, shipped to be delivered tuesday | 21:58 |
| LinuxCode | whats the hardkey for pipe | 21:59 |
| LinuxCode | is it ascii I need to use here ? | 21:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If I hit one character, it'll sometimes send one on the other side of the screen. | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | Press the "Chr" button or remap keys. Not aware of a default combo | 21:59 |
| Tak | really? | 21:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 21:59 |
| LinuxCode | Jaffa, you can do this | 21:59 |
| Tak | I've never experienced that | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was fine under OS2007 and with the OS2008 beta | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But now it's weird under final. | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a bug on bugzilla. | 22:00 |
| LinuxCode | if you start x and go to menu>tools>settings | 22:00 |
| GNUton | Hi! | 22:00 |
| LinuxCode | toolbar shortcut | 22:00 |
| Tak | fun - bounds-checking isn't being done some place | 22:00 |
| LinuxCode | however whats the vlaue ? | 22:00 |
| LinuxCode | is it standard ctrl char stuff ? | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a pain, as it's considerably dropped my speed since OS2007. | 22:00 |
| Jaffa | LinuxCode: it's X keysyms | 22:01 |
| Jaffa | so, IIRC, "pipe" | 22:01 |
| Jaffa | Check the appropriate header file or manpage. | 22:01 |
| LinuxCode | nope | 22:01 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 22:01 |
| LinuxCode | hmmm | 22:02 |
| GNUton | i'm looking for amule-gui client for maemo. | 22:02 |
| Tak | heh, the thing that always gets me is that the 770 has a cliff between the edge of the casing and the screen, and I can never hit the keys right on the edge at the first try | 22:02 |
| GNUton | has someone cross-compiled it? | 22:02 |
| LinuxCode | why would anyone want to use a p2p app on the IT | 22:03 |
| fysa | Tak: yes, that is why I am dying for a scrollbar-size-editor-tool ;) | 22:03 |
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| GNUton | because amule-client is a remote control for the amule-server.. | 22:03 |
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| Tak | fysa: yeah - for some apps, they even moved the scrollbar away from the side, when they should have just made it wider | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, it makes an obsoletely amazing low-power bittorrent client. ;) | 22:04 |
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| LinuxCode | meh what key to use | 22:04 |
| fysa | 'modest' shows that they are finally learning here. | 22:04 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, haha | 22:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Rather than leaving my 650watt tower on overnight to BT, just use the N800. ;) | 22:05 |
| LinuxCode | id be concerned | 22:05 |
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| LinuxCode | about the memory | 22:05 |
| LinuxCode | p2p uses small fragments | 22:05 |
| fysa | I have two torrents running simultaneously. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, flash memory is super-cheap. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've yet to know anybody who has worn down flash storage of any sort within it's useful lifetime. | 22:06 |
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| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, true | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | you guys are lucky | 22:06 |
| fysa | for? | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | N800 can take it ou | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | t | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | the flash mem | 22:06 |
| fysa | ah | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | N810 the 2GB nand is fixed | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | ok its and! | 22:06 |
| fysa | yeah, I wouldn't worry though. | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | nand | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | 1 million writes | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 22:06 |
| fysa | they are smartly used | 22:06 |
| pupnik | what's the efficiency of computers as heaters? | 22:06 |
| X-Fade_ | pupnik: Nearly 95% ;) | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | yeh using jffs | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | pupnik, lol | 22:06 |
| fysa | no, not jffs -- internal controller evens the usage | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | come to my place I demonstrate | 22:06 |
| Tak | pupnik: I barely ever have to turn the heat on | 22:06 |
| LinuxCode | my office is always warmer | 22:07 |
| Tak | unfortunately, the AC is another matter | 22:07 |
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| LinuxCode | fysa, interesting | 22:07 |
| fysa | I have a 2405FPW and some other Dell LCD on my desk here.. and by the end of the day, my face is burning. | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Low, pupnik, but mine serves a nice double-duty as one. :D | 22:07 |
| LinuxCode | uses jffs too though | 22:07 |
| fysa | I could appreciate LED. | 22:07 |
| lcuk | AC isnt a problem as long as you are willing to stick heatsinks and fans to your forehead. | 22:07 |
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| Tak | I keep trying to develop more wrinkles in order to dissipate heat more efficiently, but it's not working out that well so far | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tak, there's no such thing as need for heating down there. :P | 22:08 |
| pupnik | hahaha | 22:08 |
| pupnik | smoke more | 22:08 |
| lcuk | tak, its not the wrinkles that are a problem, its the die shrink as you age that gets you | 22:08 |
| Tak | I'd settle for steaming | 22:08 |
| czr | hah lcuk | 22:09 |
| konttori | Hi All! | 22:09 |
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| Tak | GeneralAntilles: it was 32F a couple of weeks ago | 22:09 |
| pupnik | wb konttori | 22:09 |
| czr | lcuk, you could order some size extenders! | 22:09 |
| konttori | Hey, anyone have a working mplayer setup on os2008? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah, and the humidity makes it worse . . . I know. :P | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, konttori. | 22:09 |
| konttori | I have my configuration such that it has audio sync problem | 22:09 |
| pupnik | konttori: i have sync problems on some media also | 22:09 |
| * Tak grew up with -40F winters anyway | 22:09 | |
| pupnik | sounds like minnesota Tak | 22:10 |
| pupnik | or russia :P | 22:10 |
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| Tak | just west of minnesota actually | 22:10 |
| konttori | And, I'm using I'm using ao=esd | 22:10 |
| konttori | vo=sdl | 22:10 |
| konttori | Is that the optimal setup? | 22:11 |
| konttori | mc=1 | 22:11 |
| dorkybot | where bizarre things happen in a cohen brothers movie | 22:11 |
| konttori | autosync=30 | 22:11 |
| Tak | what about ao alsa? | 22:11 |
| Tak | dorkybot: south of that :-P | 22:11 |
| konttori | would alsa be better choice? | 22:11 |
| * pupnik had a lot of friends up at ndsu - good CSCI program there | 22:11 | |
| dorkybot | friend in the chipper | 22:11 |
| Tak | dunno | 22:11 |
| pupnik | we need /dev/dsp too | 22:11 |
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| konttori | hmm... so, dspmp3 was in 2007 the best choice if I remember correctly | 22:13 |
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| LinuxCode | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h | 22:14 |
| LinuxCode | ok so like..whats the pipe symbol called | 22:14 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 22:14 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 22:14 |
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| dhd | bar | 22:15 |
| lcuk | #define GDK_vertbar 0x9f8 | 22:15 |
| dhd | you can find out by running xev | 22:15 |
| LinuxCode | aha! | 22:15 |
| dhd | oh, yes, perhaps it is the GDK name actually | 22:15 |
| LinuxCode | thank you | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar | 22:16 |
| dhd | #define XK_bar 0x007c /* U+007C VERTICAL LINE */ | 22:16 |
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| dhd | oops sorry for the paste | 22:16 |
| konttori | all right, alsa seems as fast as esd | 22:16 |
| dhd | vertbar is U+2502 | 22:16 |
| lcuk | how the heck can a single character be "notable" and gets its own wikipedia essay? | 22:17 |
| dhd | such is the wacky world of wikipedia | 22:17 |
| * dhd believes it's called "Procrastination" | 22:17 | |
| dhd | some CS PhD student probably wrote that instead of working on his/her thesis | 22:17 |
| lcuk | its got more info than maemo | 22:17 |
| Tak | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang | 22:17 |
| Lynoure | I haven't checked, but don't big printed encyclopedias also have entries for stuff like ellipsis? | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | Lynoure, cite your sources for this :P | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there are tons of articles on characters. | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | The better question is, "why not?" | 22:18 |
| Lynoure | lcuk: I've never had a printed encyclopia... | 22:19 |
| LinuxCode | dont work | 22:19 |
| LinuxCode | meh | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've found wikipedia's character articles to be quite useful. | 22:19 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i know this, but then they delete loads of articles about internet fads with a swift hammer blow | 22:19 |
| pupnik | hmm i should produce fake encyclopedias for decorative purposes | 22:19 |
| pupnik | much cheaper | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, well, I didn't realize we were discussing wikipedia's administrative actions. :P | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, those suck. | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | All the wiki admins should be spaced. | 22:20 |
| lcuk | w h y s h o u l d t h e y b e s p a c e d , t h a t j u s t u s e s m o r e c h a r a c t e r s | 22:21 |
| dorkybot | whoa ... dude | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It involves airlocks. :P | 22:21 |
| konttori | oh no, alsa seems to jam mplayer for flv playback. | 22:21 |
| czr | get on with the JAMs. | 22:23 |
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| * konttori feels like an idiot now | 22:23 | |
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| konttori | I had delay=0.6 in the config file | 22:23 |
| konttori | no wonder sync was off | 22:23 |
| LinuxCode | aha!!!! | 22:23 |
| LinuxCode | wicked | 22:23 |
| LinuxCode | sorted | 22:23 |
| LinuxCode | thanks | 22:23 |
| pupnik | thank god for "grep -ri" man... | 22:23 |
| czr | konttori, slow eyes? | 22:23 |
| lcuk | hey konttori, i bet i can fix your problem, just change the delay in your config file ;) | 22:24 |
| * LinuxCode gives lcuk a pint | 22:24 | |
| lcuk | ? mine worked ? | 22:24 |
| lcuk | i actually had useful linux knowledge? | 22:24 |
| * czr loans lcuk his Linus mask | 22:25 | |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, it was bar | 22:25 |
| LinuxCode | there is vertbar GDK_vertbar and GDK_bar | 22:25 |
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| LinuxCode | you leave the GDK bit | 22:25 |
| LinuxCode | just put in bar | 22:25 |
| LinuxCode | sorted | 22:26 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 22:26 |
| LinuxCode | no more chr key | 22:26 |
| LinuxCode | ;-DDD | 22:26 |
| LinuxCode | and there is still room for more | 22:26 |
| konttori | removed the delay -> fixed issu | 22:26 |
| konttori | e | 22:26 |
| Tak | czr: is it made from his face? | 22:26 |
| czr | Tak, that's a trade secret | 22:27 |
| * Tak refuse to sign NDA | 22:28 | |
| LinuxCode | Tak, please sign here | 22:31 |
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| n0ob | hello | 22:31 |
| LinuxCode | hello | 22:32 |
| Tak | nevar! | 22:33 |
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| n0ob | are any gentoo users here? | 22:35 |
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| dorkybot | me | 22:35 |
| dorkybot | amd64 | 22:35 |
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| dorkybot | and lots of others in #gentoo | 22:36 |
| n0ob | do you have a maemo sdk installed? | 22:36 |
| dorkybot | nope | 22:36 |
| korpios | Woohoo! Shipped! Tracking number and all! | 22:36 |
| n0ob | mmh ok | 22:36 |
| dorkybot | waiting for delivery of my n810 | 22:36 |
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| korpios | dorkybot: check your mail, if yours was in the same batch | 22:36 |
| dorkybot | wasting time in forums and irc | 22:37 |
| dorkybot | but ... it just shipped today | 22:37 |
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| * fysa longs for a transparent thumb vkb | 22:40 | |
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| * Tak send fysa a rgvkb screenshot | 22:41 | |
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| dorkybot | that internet tablet web site is impacting my wallet ... ordered 3 things already | 22:41 |
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| LinuxCode | meh | 22:41 |
| fysa | Rio Grande Valley Killer Bees? | 22:41 |
| LinuxCode | I just realized something | 22:41 |
| LinuxCode | they could have dumped the pipe onto the >. key | 22:41 |
| Tak | rubygame vkb | 22:41 |
| LinuxCode | using fn | 22:42 |
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| dorkybot | it'll work with a full BT keyboard right? | 22:43 |
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| LinuxCode | dorkybot, what will ? | 22:43 |
| LinuxCode | pipe ? | 22:43 |
| dorkybot | | | 22:43 |
| fysa | oh tak please help me find those screenshots | 22:43 |
| korpios | Now if only my damned Kindle would ship, I'd be all sorts of gadget-lust-fulfilled ^_^ | 22:43 |
| LinuxCode | I made a button in osso | 22:43 |
| LinuxCode | dorkybot, what did you buy ? | 22:43 |
| LinuxCode | N810 ? | 22:43 |
| fysa | can someone please port xterm to rubygame? ;) | 22:44 |
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| * Tak poke sarcasometer | 22:44 | |
| dorkybot | n810, folding BY keayboard and usb charging cable | 22:44 |
| dorkybot | BT | 22:44 |
| LinuxCode | why buy a BT keybaord ? | 22:44 |
| LinuxCode | its got a keybaord thats perfectly good | 22:44 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 22:44 |
| fysa | 'perfectly' is a stretch | 22:44 |
| Tak | you don't even have to port it; just make a call | 22:44 |
| fysa | for getting real work done | 22:44 |
| dorkybot | so i can prop up the IT on its stand at work and type away nonchalantly while ssh'ed to my other pc | 22:45 |
| LinuxCode | real work = computer | 22:45 |
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| fysa | says you | 22:45 |
| LinuxCode | fixing stuff = n810 | 22:45 |
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| dorkybot | looking forward to BT mouse working too | 22:45 |
| LinuxCode | dorkybot, hehe | 22:45 |
| LinuxCode | granted | 22:45 |
| LinuxCode | that bt keybaord I saw was nice-ish | 22:46 |
| LinuxCode | and quite portable | 22:46 |
| LinuxCode | I need a new mobile phone first though | 22:46 |
| fysa | http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ | 22:46 |
| dorkybot | my slacking is too visible with the evdo laptop | 22:46 |
| pH5 | does anybody use g_ether on n8x0? | 22:47 |
| pH5 | here it gets confused when I pull out the usb cable (the usb statusbar plugin stays, it doesn't work anymore after reconnecting) to the point that rmmoding and reloading the g_ether module hangs the device (until the watchdog kicks in) | 22:47 |
| fysa | Tak: is rubygame in the repo? | 22:47 |
| LinuxCode | id rather have an istow orwhatever its called | 22:47 |
| Tak | it's with the rest of the ruby stuff | 22:47 |
| fysa | easier to carry, not as nice finger response/spacing though | 22:47 |
| fysa | apple wireless is the smallest/lightest BT kb with full-sized keys I believe | 22:47 |
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| fysa | it's what I take with me if I need to take notes in a day-long meeting, anyway ;) | 22:48 |
| dorkybot | almost got a dell BT keyboard cause it looks just like the standard one at work | 22:48 |
| Tak | hmm, is there a registration-not-required image hosting site? | 22:48 |
| LinuxCode | bastards they reduced the price of the N810 | 22:48 |
| dorkybot | did they? | 22:48 |
| fysa | imageshack doesn't require registration? | 22:48 |
| dorkybot | how much? | 22:48 |
| LinuxCode | RRP: £289.99 | 22:48 |
| zaheerm | LinuxCode, how much now? | 22:49 |
| LinuxCode | says the site I bought it from | 22:49 |
| LinuxCode | it used to be £330 | 22:49 |
| jackster | LinuxCode, play.com per chance? | 22:49 |
| zaheerm | it's only www.nokia.co.uk that sells it at £329 | 22:49 |
| LinuxCode | jackster, yes sir | 22:50 |
| zaheerm | everywhere else it's cheaper | 22:50 |
| * lcuk paid 289 for his | 22:50 | |
| dorkybot | $407.99 at nokiausa.com with coupon code | 22:50 |
| lcuk | +10 super delivery | 22:50 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, same | 22:50 |
| dorkybot | that beats ebay | 22:50 |
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| Tak | http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rgkb2lr6.png | 22:50 |
| LinuxCode | free delivery i had | 22:50 |
| lcuk | direct from nokia | 22:51 |
| jackster | how did nokia decide who got the developer discounts? | 22:51 |
| LinuxCode | well actually I only paid £60 | 22:51 |
| lcuk | straw pole | 22:51 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 22:51 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 22:51 |
| LinuxCode | somebody else paid the rest | 22:51 |
| lcuk | i think they looked around the forums for the people who were gonna get them right at the start and offered them discounts so they would wait a while for everyone else to get them before letting those who wanted them badly get them so they didnt moan about the pipe and tab keys | 22:52 |
| * lcuk breathes | 22:52 | |
| lcuk | how did you pay £60? | 22:53 |
| Tak | with a credit card! (ba dum bing) | 22:53 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, somebody else paid the rest | 22:53 |
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| * Tak play recorded laugh track | 22:53 | |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 22:53 |
| lcuk | linux, have you been using those credit card numbers you "found" | 22:54 |
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| LinuxCode | www.dnb.me.uk/funny/DrEvilSoundboard.swf | 22:54 |
| LinuxCode | do it right tak | 22:55 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 22:55 |
| LinuxCode | please click laughs (with music) thanks | 22:55 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, naa mate... | 22:55 |
| LinuxCode | company I do stuff for paid most of it | 22:55 |
| Tak | doing things right is against my nature | 22:55 |
| lcuk | i got mine with xmas bonus :) | 22:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Cold, hard cash. | 22:58 |
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| fysa | I whored myself out $5 a shot on the steps of Main Station. | 23:00 |
| lophyte | haha | 23:00 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, kinda same scenario then ;-D | 23:00 |
| * LinuxCode pays fysa $5 | 23:00 | |
| lcuk | yer, last year we got the wii, this year it was all for meeeeeeee | 23:00 |
| LinuxCode | all I need ya to do is type stuff for me | 23:01 |
| * fysa snaps a polaroid of LinuxCode | 23:01 | |
| fysa | o_O | 23:01 |
| * LinuxCode throws the cam at fysa's head | 23:01 | |
| Tak | hmm, I still need to get a wii | 23:01 |
| Tak | and a capture card | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | type bitch! | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 23:01 |
| fysa | haha | 23:01 |
| fysa | ok | 23:01 |
| fysa | you type out what I should type | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | no | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | I dictate | 23:01 |
| fysa | so I know | 23:01 |
| fysa | what to type. | 23:01 |
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| LinuxCode | ;-p | 23:01 |
| lcuk | linux, you will have to shout really loud | 23:02 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, thats ok mate | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 23:03 |
| Tak | shouting is so 20th-century | 23:03 |
| Tak | now we have gizmo | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | Tak, yeah haha | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | Tak, peple who shout are liars | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | see hitler | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | see stalin | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 23:03 |
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| fysa | (or wearing headphones) | 23:04 |
| Tak | You know who shouted louder than the Nazis? INDIANA JONES. | 23:04 |
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| LinuxCode | Tak, hahah | 23:04 |
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| LinuxCode | actually its quite scary now | 23:09 |
| LinuxCode | they stick 3-5MegaPixel cams into mobiles | 23:09 |
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| LinuxCode | the size of a matchbox | 23:09 |
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| LinuxCode | now anyone can take pic of you without you even knowing | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're noisy as hell, though. :P | 23:09 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, ? | 23:10 |
| LinuxCode | the cams ? | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 23:10 |
| LinuxCode | if you switch sound off ? | 23:10 |
| Cptnodegard | not all of them | 23:10 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 23:10 |
| Cptnodegard | som erules specify they have to make a noise but half the manufacturers don tgive a crap | 23:10 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you know the htc handset lawsuit thing, people are getting more and more wound up about it and it seems to have so many parallels to our situation | 23:10 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, ? | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | elaborate please | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but ours is a hardware limitation. :P | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | Im intruiged | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | ohh | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | nevermind | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | I know what you guys are talking about now | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 23:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If you think we have something, go lawyer up, lcuk. :P | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=cam_whore | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 23:11 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 23:11 |
| lcuk | recent HTC devices have 3d hardware inside the chipset. however recent devices do not use the hardware. there is talk of a class action lawsuit to get the drivers included | 23:12 |
| LinuxCode | btw that link is safe for work! | 23:12 |
| lcuk | http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/23/poll-how-did-htc-mishandle-the-video-driver-controversy/ | 23:12 |
| LinuxCode | just for the record | 23:12 |
| * lcuk lawyers up | 23:12 | |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, you sound very american mate | 23:12 |
| LinuxCode | Im getting worried | 23:13 |
| lcuk | im bloody not | 23:13 |
| * lcuk eats a pie | 23:13 | |
| LinuxCode | lol | 23:13 |
| LinuxCode | the lawyer bit..made it sound like it | 23:13 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 23:13 |
| Cptnodegard | macgyver > indiana jones | 23:13 |
| Cptnodegard | bah | 23:13 |
| * Cptnodegard needs to learn to scroll down | 23:13 | |
| lcuk | michael knight > macgyver | 23:13 |
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| * czr hands a scroll of down to Cptnodegard | 23:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jesus > all | 23:13 |
| Cptnodegard | general oneill > macgyver | 23:13 |
| LinuxCode | god < * | 23:14 |
| Cptnodegard | me > * | 23:14 |
| LinuxCode | Cptnodegard, isnt that a oxymoron ? | 23:14 |
| LinuxCode | since its the same actor ?!?! | 23:14 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 23:14 |
| czr | mac gyver is not an actor! | 23:14 |
| czr | he's a real human being. | 23:14 |
| LinuxCode | besides Hawk > Michael knight | 23:14 |
| Cptnodegard | nah RDN > RDN is an oxymoron :p | 23:14 |
| czr | unless you redefine >. | 23:15 |
| LinuxCode | I hope that amsn developer guy submitted the build spec to maemo | 23:15 |
| lcuk | BA > Hawk | 23:15 |
| LinuxCode | for tcl+amsn | 23:15 |
| Tak | N? | 23:15 |
| Tak | Spenser > Hawk | 23:15 |
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| LinuxCode | because that would be 7 packages more | 23:15 |
| czr | hmm. using -O0 -pg wasn't such a grand idea | 23:15 |
| LinuxCode | spenser was good! | 23:15 |
| LinuxCode | I need to get that on dvd | 23:15 |
| czr | skippy > all-ya. | 23:15 |
| Tak | dvd? READ. | 23:16 |
| LinuxCode | all these new series dont do shit for me | 23:16 |
| lcuk | columbo > Spenser | 23:16 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, naaa | 23:16 |
| LinuxCode | columbo is...different | 23:16 |
| LinuxCode | what was that series called again | 23:16 |
| LinuxCode | night hawk ?!?! | 23:16 |
| lcuk | columbo is the linux of detectives | 23:16 |
| LinuxCode | or something | 23:16 |
| LinuxCode | that was quite good too | 23:16 |
| * czr is going to dress like columbo when he gets old enough | 23:16 | |
| LinuxCode | czr, bahah | 23:16 |
| * Tak is going to dress like gandalf when he gets old | 23:17 | |
| lcuk | lol | 23:17 |
| czr | lcuk, scruffy, but infinitely powerful once you're willing to tweak him some and give him some love? | 23:17 |
| * lcuk puts on his wizard hat! | 23:17 | |
| * czr runs away to the tower before it's too late | 23:17 | |
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| * LinuxCode puts on a fedora | 23:17 | |
| * LinuxCode puts on his trench coat | 23:18 | |
| * lcuk calls the cops about that strange linux guy in a trenchcoat | 23:18 | |
| LinuxCode | loool | 23:18 |
| * LinuxCode gets out his N810 and opens it | 23:18 | |
| * LinuxCode says "1 person to beam up!" | 23:18 | |
| LinuxCode | ohh damn...it dont work | 23:19 |
| LinuxCode | wrong film | 23:19 |
| LinuxCode | actually.... | 23:19 |
| lcuk | yer, you need a flip phone for that to work | 23:19 |
| LinuxCode | the N810 is better than the things they have | 23:19 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 23:19 |
| LinuxCode | we need a remake | 23:19 |
| lcuk | nahhh, i would have a tricorder anyday | 23:19 |
| lcuk | i bet they ran linux | 23:19 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, haha | 23:19 |
| LinuxCode | I bet they did! | 23:19 |
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| LinuxCode | windows would crash | 23:20 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 23:20 |
| lcuk | spock wasnt looking at swirly patterns, he was sshing into uhuras terminal | 23:20 |
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| LinuxCode | lool | 23:20 |
| lophyte | there's actually an LCARS theme for OS2007 | 23:20 |
| lophyte | to make your IT look like a tricorder | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | theme or fully working interface? | 23:20 |
| lophyte | I dunno I haven't tried it | 23:20 |
| LinuxCode | Im using plankton atm | 23:21 |
| lophyte | its on maemo-apps.org | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | LCARS wasn't on the tricorder. :P | 23:21 |
| LinuxCode | ohhh | 23:21 |
| LinuxCode | omg | 23:21 |
| LinuxCode | wicked site | 23:21 |
| lophyte | err | 23:21 |
| lophyte | sorry | 23:21 |
| lophyte | not tricorder | 23:21 |
| lophyte | PADD | 23:21 |
| LinuxCode | how dare you guys withold it from me! | 23:21 |
| LinuxCode | traitors! | 23:21 |
| * LinuxCode bookmarks | 23:21 | |
| lophyte | the LCARS theme is meant to make the IT look like a PADD | 23:21 |
| lophyte | which it kinda is... | 23:22 |
| lophyte | more or less | 23:22 |
| lcuk | damnit lophyte im a developer not a mind reader | 23:22 |
| lophyte | http://www.freewebs.com/trek_obsessed3452/padd.gif | 23:22 |
| czr | a developing mind reader would be better | 23:22 |
| lophyte | doesn't that look like an IT? | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | yer, but they obviously got the left handed hack working | 23:23 |
| Tak | I still want the damn doom3 theme | 23:23 |
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| lophyte | haha | 23:23 |
| lophyte | Tak, to make it look like the doom3 PDA? | 23:23 |
| Tak | yes | 23:23 |
| lophyte | that would rock | 23:23 |
| Tak | someone posted screenshots, but no files | 23:23 |
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| Tama^2 | Hello | 23:24 |
| lcuk | hi tama | 23:24 |
| dorkybot | heh ... xbill was a fun game. it should be good on a touchscreen | 23:25 |
| lophyte | I wanna try the LCARS theme but I'm afraid it won't work in 2008 | 23:25 |
| dorkybot | haven't seen it in years | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont. | 23:26 |
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| lophyte | damn it | 23:28 |
| lophyte | I should install 2007 on an SD card just for LCARS | 23:28 |
| Tak | ...or you could just port the theme | 23:28 |
| lophyte | yeah but I'm lazy | 23:28 |
| lophyte | I don't know anything about how to make themes | 23:29 |
| Jaffa | Should be straightforward | 23:29 |
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| mmh6y5g9 | ciao | 23:31 |
| mmh6y5g9 | !addon | 23:31 |
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| lophyte | haha wow | 23:31 |
| Tama^2 | O.o | 23:31 |
| lophyte | http://synthesize.us/Image:Photo-bridgeN800-file.jpg | 23:31 |
| lophyte | tat's pretty awesome | 23:31 |
| fysa | haha | 23:32 |
| lophyte | http://synthesize.us/Image:Photo-paddN800-desktop.jpg | 23:32 |
| dorkybot | hope they fix it | 23:32 |
| lophyte | the wikipage says they're not planning on supporting future versions of maemo | 23:32 |
| dorkybot | fork! | 23:33 |
| lophyte | "We do not currently plan to support any future versions of the Maemo platform, since Nokia abandoned the 770 at an age of only 14 months." | 23:33 |
| dorkybot | being petulant | 23:33 |
| fysa | rightfully so. | 23:33 |
| fysa | (leaving it on the doorstep) | 23:33 |
| fysa | ;) | 23:33 |
| dorkybot | we all know something better is coming | 23:34 |
| dorkybot | but we still buy | 23:34 |
| fysa | I would prefer that Nokia come out with something every year. | 23:34 |
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| fysa | then I just buy every other year. | 23:34 |
| Tak | 14 months is the proper age at which to abandon offspring | 23:34 |
| fysa | (or every year ..) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | how often have flash updates been released from nokia based on past form? | 23:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Immature 770 owners are funny. | 23:37 |
| lophyte | I was gonna get a 770, good thing I opted for the 800 | 23:37 |
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| LinuxCode | the big problem is that nokia needs to put packages into the repo | 23:39 |
| LinuxCode | the ones that now clearly seem to work | 23:39 |
| LinuxCode | forget new devices | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, 3-4 months-ish | 23:39 |
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| LinuxCode | they can give away as many sponsored devices as they like...if theres no repo for the packages made | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Expecting Nokia to stick with the 770 for two years is stupid. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's old and slow. | 23:40 |
| Cymor-Work | How long do they support their phones? | 23:40 |
| fysa | these aren't desktop computers. | 23:40 |
| fysa | as much as we pretend ;) | 23:40 |
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| bkruse | what does maemo use as its audio backend? | 23:41 |
| fysa | not like the days when you could walk into any room at random and have a decent chance a C64 or C128 is near | 23:41 |
| pH5 | is hildon-status-bar-usb closed source? | 23:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | All the statusbar stuff is closed, pH5. | 23:42 |
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| Tak | bkruse: esd and alsa | 23:45 |
| bkruse | Tak: binding directly to alsa using alsa-lib? | 23:45 |
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| LinuxCode | fuck | 23:46 |
| LinuxCode | no space left on device | 23:46 |
| LinuxCode | omg | 23:46 |
| Tak | bkruse: afaik | 23:46 |
| LinuxCode | I guess I will have to tell dpkg to use another path ?!?! | 23:47 |
| LinuxCode | meh | 23:47 |
| bkruse | Tak: cool. thanks :] | 23:47 |
| fysa | delete manuals? | 23:47 |
| fysa | and nokia avi? | 23:48 |
| bkruse | I need to get someone to give me a device so I can develop this iax client :] | 23:48 |
| LinuxCode | fysa, hmmm arent they stored on the mmc2 ? | 23:48 |
| LinuxCode | internal card ? | 23:48 |
| fysa | ah, yes | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, get rid of the pdfs. | 23:48 |
| Tak | http://sense-datum.org/tim/archive/2008/01/24/a_gift_to_me_can_be_a_gift_to_/tim_samoff__weblog | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, what fysa said. | 23:48 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, ahh k | 23:48 |
| LinuxCode | lets see | 23:48 |
| sp3000 | du -max / | awk '$1>1' | sort -n | 23:49 |
| LinuxCode | i checked details | 23:49 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 23:49 |
| Tak | bkruse: you'd be a good candidate | 23:49 |
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| bkruse | Tak: how so? | 23:50 |
| bkruse | oh | 23:50 |
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| bkruse | Tak: Thanks, I will sign up. I hope I get this. If I get this first, I will develop for maemo vs openmoko :] | 23:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:53 |
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| LinuxCode | pitty | 23:56 |
| LinuxCode | abiword dont work | 23:56 |
| LinuxCode | thought I could force it hehe | 23:56 |
| fysa | I heard KOffice works.. | 23:57 |
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| fysa | in KDE.. | 23:57 |
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| bkruse | Tak: submitted, think I stand a chance? | 23:58 |
| bkruse | hey, could you read it for me and see what you think? things I could change about the entry, etc | 23:59 |
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| LinuxCode | fysa, kde on the N810 ?!?! | 23:59 |
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