| czr | yeah, I did some small builds only, so can't vouch for the correctness yet | 00:00 |
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| hachi | should I worry much if osso-software-version (the version pining to 50-2) is going to be removed? | 00:02 |
| hachi | I get the feeling that I shouldn't worry too much, but I dunno | 00:02 |
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| hachi | oh, this thing wants to install e2fslibs and progs, this is useless | 00:02 |
| cbx33 | is it as easy to R+D mode on n810? | 00:03 |
| jott | czr: hmm.. this also affects some other places (dpkg-buildpackage still fails as it seems) | 00:03 |
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| czr | jott, 'still fails'? | 00:05 |
| jott | yeah, a dir with "stat.so" still produces the error (as in "inthebox" is not the only place to fix) | 00:06 |
| ds3 | okay, either is a bug in BT kb support in OS2008 or I am doing something very wrong - what would cause the OSK to be disappear (even though there is no active BT keyboard for over 2 hours) and cause the lock screen/key to not happen when it thinks it is idle | 00:06 |
| czr | jott, ahh. interesting | 00:06 |
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| czr | jott, added the info | 00:10 |
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| jott | yeah let's see if there will be some response :) thanks | 00:11 |
| p| | re | 00:11 |
| p| | any financial app for os2008 ? | 00:11 |
| czr | jott, yup. joined sbox as well. | 00:11 |
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| zeEez | Can anyone point me to a page that list what the n800 buttons reprenent (like dpad center is F8 or something) | 00:13 |
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| czr | zeEez, those are listed in the maemo sdk tutorial | 00:17 |
| czr | afair | 00:17 |
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| pickl1 | anyone seen this error in scratchbox: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 00:17 |
| pickl1 | ? | 00:17 |
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| jott | czr: got a real fix (see #scratchbox) | 00:19 |
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| dhd | ds3: I've had the same problem | 00:22 |
| dhd | if I am using a BT keyboard, then I take the N800 out of range, it won't switch back to the OSK (at least sometimes) | 00:23 |
| dhd | even if I remove the BT keyboard from the Bluetooth configuration | 00:23 |
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| czr | pickl1, did sbox work before? | 00:25 |
| czr | I mean, have you ever used it succesfully? | 00:25 |
| pickl1 | yes i had a helloworld going ok | 00:25 |
| czr | did you do anything after that? | 00:26 |
| pickl1 | and just built an app for x86 | 00:26 |
| czr | how did you install the ARMEL target? | 00:26 |
| pickl1 | just followed the instructions in the sdk | 00:26 |
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| czr | describe your environment | 00:27 |
| pickl1 | ubuntu gutsy with chinook first release sdk | 00:28 |
| czr | which arch | 00:28 |
| pickl1 | x86 | 00:28 |
| czr | also, do you still have the error (and was it verbatim copy pasted) | 00:28 |
| pickl1 | yes, is it ok to paste here? | 00:28 |
| czr | no | 00:28 |
| czr | can you pastebin the whole command invocation and output | 00:28 |
| pickl1 | pastebin? | 00:29 |
| czr | (not paste here, but use pastebin.org) | 00:29 |
| pickl1 | i'll have a look | 00:29 |
| czr | copy-paste it there, then press send, then give me the url here | 00:29 |
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| pickl1 | cheers - its http://www.pastebin.org/15564 | 00:30 |
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| czr | try building a small C hello world in ARMEL side | 00:31 |
| pickl1 | will do | 00:31 |
| czr | if that works (and runs), the problem is in the software configure script | 00:31 |
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| czr | if hello world fails as well, then your setup is broken (somehow) | 00:32 |
| * lcuk_3 doesn't like pastebin normally, its great that it keeps irc clean but the default is a 1 month retention - irc logs last much longer... | 00:32 | |
| czr | lcuk_3, better pastebin than spamming channels | 00:32 |
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| lcuk_3 | 100% agree | 00:32 |
| lcuk_3 | its the retention period that bothers me | 00:32 |
| czr | you can switch the retention period | 00:33 |
| czr | although I guess no one does :-) | 00:33 |
| lcuk_3 | yer you know that and i do because we look, but lots dont | 00:33 |
| * czr nods | 00:33 | |
| czr | I guess another issue would be storage space requirements | 00:34 |
| czr | although I don't know how pastebin is sponsored | 00:34 |
| lcuk_3 | as with all things | 00:34 |
| lcuk_3 | i tried looking when i started noticing links to it | 00:34 |
| pickl1 | czr: helloworld compiles ok | 00:35 |
| czr | pickl1, try a simpler autotools package then | 00:35 |
| czr | I'd guess there's a problem in the configure script of jive | 00:35 |
| czr | at least the command line looks very weird | 00:36 |
| czr | using --host and --target etc.. | 00:36 |
| czr | you're not supposed to need those in ARMEL target in sbox | 00:36 |
| pickl1 | it all built fine for x86 | 00:36 |
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| pickl1 | and ran in xephyr | 00:36 |
| pickl1 | is it normal to need two versions? | 00:36 |
| LinuxCode | meh | 00:37 |
| LinuxCode | why doesnt the email client find the right certificate | 00:37 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 00:37 |
| LinuxCode | I imported the certs | 00:37 |
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| ds3 | dhd: any workarounds? | 00:41 |
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| czr | pickl1, two versions of what? | 00:55 |
| czr | pickl1, X86 is meant for development. the armel side only for final building (not testing) | 00:56 |
| czr | pickl1, although a lot of people build on arm and test directly on the device | 00:56 |
| czr | build on armel even. | 00:56 |
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| pickl1 | two versions of the makefile | 00:57 |
| czr | normally not | 00:57 |
| czr | depends on the build system that the project is using really | 00:57 |
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| czr | projects that use autotools don't use makefiles normally (directly) or use automake or similar other tools | 00:58 |
| czr | and people who write makefiles fluently normally use only one makefile (but require GNU make or similar to run it) | 00:58 |
| JussiP | But autotools syntax is enough to make a grown man eat his own head. | 00:59 |
| cbx33 | what the heck.... | 00:59 |
| cbx33 | what card type fits in the n810 | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | I don't seem to have anything that fits | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | minisd | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | GRRR | 01:01 |
| czr | mini-SD | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | now I have to buy a minisd one | 01:01 |
| czr | ah. I was late | 01:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You didn't know this going in? | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | nope | 01:02 |
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| LinuxCode | any of you guys using certificates to sign email on the N800 or N810 ? | 01:05 |
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| fri | cbx33, you could buy a MicroSD with adapter, to be sure to use it in other devices too | 01:06 |
| LinuxCode | cbx33, in the Uk you can get a micro one for £40 8GB | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | i just have sd cards | 01:07 |
| |tbb| | oh nokia announce .....something really bad | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | LinuxCode, will 8Gb work with the n810? | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | what? | 01:07 |
| LinuxCode | comes with sd adapter | 01:07 |
| LinuxCode | yes | 01:07 |
| LinuxCode | should do | 01:07 |
| LinuxCode | I will get one myself | 01:08 |
| LinuxCode | however, I still have loads of space here hehe | 01:08 |
| |tbb| | they closed a manufactory in bochum (germany) 2300 employers without work then. | 01:08 |
| LinuxCode | thats because Germans are too expensive... | 01:08 |
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| LinuxCode | guess why Germanies economy aint good | 01:09 |
| LinuxCode | 35hour weeks and all lol | 01:09 |
| LinuxCode | not an economic reality Im afraid... | 01:09 |
| |tbb| | not all | 01:09 |
| LinuxCode | anyway | 01:10 |
| LinuxCode | HELP! | 01:10 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 01:10 |
| * LinuxCode cries | 01:10 | |
| LinuxCode | imported certificates..and I dont get why the email client wont see them | 01:10 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 01:10 |
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| * |tbb| wonder if it has something to do with the discount code nokia had spend | 01:11 | |
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| pupnik_ | cbx33: alternate.de has kingston 4gb class 6 miniSD for 22 euro | 01:12 |
| pupnik_ | s/gb/GB | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 01:12 |
| pupnik_ | i tried it out in the store | 01:13 |
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| hyphn | brb (not that i've actually said anything!) | 01:14 |
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| LinuxCode | sweet fbreader can read chm | 01:15 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 01:15 |
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| jott | pupnik_: would you suggest to use the kingston? they also have a transcend that is supposed to do 7/8MB/s instead of 6/6MB/s... | 01:21 |
| pupnik_ | yes they did not have the transcend in stock, i was going to purchase it to do a speed comparison | 01:22 |
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| hyphn | are there any hardcore twitter'rs here? | 01:23 |
| jott | yeah i just got a 1gb card atm (and need a bigger one).. but the alternate prices seem quite ok.. | 01:23 |
| hyphn | i'm using my 700 | 01:24 |
| hyphn | 770, he, as my main twitter device | 01:24 |
| hyphn | wish th | 01:24 |
| hyphn | hate this on-screen k/b sometimes! | 01:25 |
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| |tbb| | how can i change shortcuts of osso-browser like ctrl+l for open location to any other key | 01:27 |
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| ds3 | 9 | 01:33 |
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| pupnik_ | cool, i can start sdl games under os2008 with just a regular .desktop link | 01:42 |
| johnx | hmm...maybe I'll try to compile LTris then (unless someone has beaten me to it?) | 01:42 |
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| johnx | well...that was a painless compile | 01:45 |
| johnx | I wonder if it runs... | 01:46 |
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| lcuk_3 | does anyone know if the google gmail interface works well on 8x0? would it just be a case of changing the browser ident thingy | 01:52 |
| johnx | wow...that works great | 01:52 |
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| Esotic | howdy | 01:53 |
| johnx | lcuk_3, do you mean the default gmail interface? or the basic html interface? or the gmail interface for a different device? | 01:53 |
| johnx | Esotic, hi | 01:53 |
| Esotic | anybody know the exact processor model for the N800? | 01:53 |
| Esotic | I'm trying to investigate the architecture :) | 01:53 |
| LinuxCode | Esotic, its on nokias site | 01:53 |
| LinuxCode | same as n810 | 01:54 |
| lcuk_3 | john, google have released an interface specifically for iphone with big fonts and clearer layout for restricted size | 01:54 |
| lcuk_3 | they say just browse to it from the iphone | 01:54 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_3, ehh | 01:54 |
| LinuxCode | iphone... | 01:54 |
| LinuxCode | dont need that on the N810 | 01:54 |
| lcuk_3 | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/01/14/google-unveils-new-iphone-interace-for-google-apps/ | 01:54 |
| johnx | lcuk_3, you didn't mention that at first :P | 01:54 |
| lcuk_3 | crap! i was sure i mentioned iphone at first sorry | 01:55 |
| johnx | no prob | 01:55 |
| lcuk_3 | i did on the first revision lol | 01:55 |
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| LinuxCode | why would you need that anyway ?!?! | 01:55 |
| LinuxCode | just set the zoom level | 01:55 |
| lcuk_3 | and if i set it to basic html it works well, but then every device with my login uses basic | 01:55 |
| lcuk_3 | i played with zoom and it was fiddly | 01:56 |
| lcuk_3 | so i just stick with everything on 100% (min font size adjusted though) | 01:56 |
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| johnx | I find gmail imap to work great with modest | 01:56 |
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| johnx | lcuk_3, http://mail.google.com/mail/x/ | 01:57 |
| johnx | hmm...actually I don't think that's the new one...but it's much faster | 01:58 |
| lcuk_3 | yer it is, its the total minimum one, but i will try it now | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Esotic, if you didn't get it: OMAP2420 | 02:00 |
| lophyte | gmail has imap now? | 02:00 |
| johnx | lophyte, yeah. it works great, too. | 02:00 |
| lophyte | nice. | 02:01 |
| Esotic | i saw that listed somewhere, but i also saw a page on the ARM site http://www.arm.com/markets/mobile_solutions/armpp/19121.html | 02:01 |
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| johnx | Esotic, as I understand it: ARM11 is a family, OMAP2420 is the chipset, and Armv6tej is the instruction set | 02:02 |
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| Esotic | Thanks! | 02:03 |
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| johnx | Esotic, want the contents of cat /proc/cpuinfo or dmesg? | 02:04 |
| Esotic | I'm just doing some investigating. I've done ASM/SIMD for x86 and am wondering if I can port some of that knowledge to n800 development | 02:05 |
| Esotic | are those commands I can use in a shell on the n800? | 02:05 |
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| johnx | Esotic, yes. Sorry. I assumed you were familiar with Linux. those commands tell you info about the CPU and provide the "boot log" respectively | 02:07 |
| Esotic | I used Linux in college and am just getting back into it since getting my N800 for Christmas :) | 02:07 |
| Esotic | well, Unix in college, anyhow | 02:08 |
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| Esotic | what I'm really looking for is some reference material for the instruction set | 02:10 |
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| |tbb| | johnx, hmmh really fast the mail/x/ url | 02:12 |
| johnx | Esotic, Armv6 would probably be the search term to use in that case | 02:12 |
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| Esotic | so are you developing for the nokia tablets? | 02:13 |
| johnx | Esotic, nah. I just hack around and package stuff from time to time. | 02:14 |
| * |tbb| everytime wonders how fast the search of messages returns your result if u use googles search messages function | 02:14 | |
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| Esotic | i've been doing visual studio development in windows for years, and am having to learn some processes for this environment | 02:15 |
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| Mikho | hello. Would someone know why the web browser in 770 insists on opening .deb files as text? | 02:16 |
| johnx | Mikho, is it from every site? or just one? | 02:16 |
| Mikho | don't know | 02:17 |
| johnx | it could be an incorrent mime-type setting on the site or some problem with mime-type settings on your 770 | 02:17 |
| johnx | s/incorrent/incorrect/g | 02:17 |
| infobot | johnx meant: it could be an incorrect mime-type setting on the site or some problem with mime-type settings on your 770 | 02:17 |
| ustunozgur | Mikho : as a temp. fix, try right clicking and saving the deb. | 02:18 |
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| Mikho | how can I right click with the stylus? | 02:19 |
| johnx | Mikho, tap and hold | 02:19 |
| lcuk_3 | nearest to right click is hold it down | 02:19 |
| Mikho | nice | 02:19 |
| johnx | Esotic, Linux/Unix is pretty different than Windows. Do you have a desktop machine running Linux or a Linux vmware image on WIndows to do dev work in? | 02:19 |
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| Esotic | I installed Debian on one of my athlon boxes using an external SATA so I can dual boot | 02:21 |
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| Esotic | I got the Scratchbox and Xypher setup and ran through some "Hello, World" stuff | 02:22 |
| Mikho | I don't think I had this problem before | 02:22 |
| johnx | Mikho, which site is giving you problems? Does the browser on your desktop try to open the same .deb as text? | 02:23 |
| Mikho | there's no save option in the "right click" menu | 02:23 |
| johnx | Mikho, "Save target as..." | 02:23 |
| johnx | Mikho, you have to make sure that you tap and hold *exactly on the link* | 02:24 |
| Esotic | I had some free time at work today and was doing some investigating, which lead to my questions. I'm kinda jumping the gun as I know so little about Linux development, but I like coding in assembly, so there you go :) | 02:24 |
| johnx | I've run into a situation a couple times where I thought I had clicked on the link but had actually clicked the background | 02:24 |
| Mikho | there's "open", "open in new window" "add link to bookmarks" and "copy link location" | 02:24 |
| Mikho | but no save target | 02:25 |
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| lcuk_3 | are you on the device now or are you typing from your desktop | 02:25 |
| johnx | Mikho, hmm...I don't have a 770. I figured it would be the same as the browser on the n800 | 02:25 |
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| Mikho | I have a windows machine and my 770 here | 02:25 |
| Mikho | It's a bit hard to try to open the deb from my pc | 02:25 |
| lcuk_3 | if the link isnt too long, type it here | 02:26 |
| johnx | hmm? you can't just click the link and see if it downloads it or tries to open it as text? | 02:26 |
| ustunozgur | Mikho: or if you have wget, you can copy the location and wget that. | 02:26 |
| |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: r u around | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorta. Playing Tremulous. | 02:27 |
| Mikho | http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~mipoloja/ideasilo/ideasilo_0.2.0_armel.deb | 02:27 |
| johnx | Mikho, it's a problem with the web server | 02:27 |
| johnx | they don't have the mime-type for .deb setup right | 02:27 |
| Mikho | I'd be happy if I could just download it | 02:28 |
| Mikho | but I can't find the option anywhere | 02:28 |
| johnx | well, I don't have a 770 in my hands right now. I was sure it would have a "save target as..." option but I guess not | 02:29 |
| johnx | try letting the whole .deb load as a text file then click the menu -> Web page -> Save as... | 02:29 |
| Mikho | well, it has worked pretty well before | 02:30 |
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| Mikho | It seems the deb will get corrupted if I save it as text | 02:30 |
| |tbb| | http://tinyurl.com/2k6u54 | 02:30 |
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| |tbb| | is the short version of mikho url | 02:31 |
| johnx | Mikho, I don't think it will | 02:31 |
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| |tbb| | anyway gnite | 02:32 |
| johnx | 'night | 02:32 |
| johnx | Mikho, I just tested and it doesn't corrupt it | 02:32 |
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| johnx | exactly the same md5sum as a direct download | 02:32 |
| Mikho | hm | 02:32 |
| Mikho | ok, for some other reason I'm unable to install the deb | 02:33 |
| deangwi | anyone here successfully pair a dell or ? bt-309 or308 gps? | 02:33 |
| johnx | Mikho, problems with dependencies? | 02:33 |
| Mikho | dpkg -i the deb file gives weird error messages | 02:34 |
| johnx | Mikho, put them on pastebin and I'll look at them | 02:35 |
| Mikho | dpkg-deb (subprocess):short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) | 02:35 |
| Mikho | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 | 02:35 |
| johnx | that's interesting | 02:35 |
| johnx | I don't know how to solve that...but I ran into the same error once | 02:36 |
| Mikho | and it has worked perfectly before | 02:36 |
| Mikho | never seen this error | 02:36 |
| Mikho | it works in the emulator just fine | 02:36 |
| johnx | maybe opera on the 770, did manage to corrupt the file then? | 02:36 |
| johnx | sorry, I'm at a loss | 02:36 |
| Mikho | right.. .the deb is half the size | 02:37 |
| Mikho | my opera has gone mad | 02:37 |
| johnx | ah | 02:37 |
| Mikho | oh, ok... I was supposed to open the text file and wait until it has loaded completely before selecting save page as... | 02:39 |
| Mikho | managed to install the software, but my opera is still acting strange :/ | 02:39 |
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| johnx | well, I can tell you that the reason the .deb appeared as text is a problem with their webserver | 02:40 |
| johnx | it appeared as text on firefox on my desktop as well | 02:40 |
| Mikho | I see | 02:40 |
| Mikho | is there anything I could do about it? | 02:40 |
| johnx | ask the person who runs the webserver to fix it | 02:42 |
| Mikho | oh well, thanks for advice. It was helpful to know saving it from the text screen doesn't corrupt the package | 02:42 |
| johnx | sure...I've run into the same problem before and had to use that trick more than once :) | 02:43 |
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| Mikho | but I still wonder why it doesn't offer the download option directly | 02:45 |
| johnx | you mean from the "tap and hold" menu? or why the website doesn't work? | 02:46 |
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| Mikho | the tap and hold menu | 02:57 |
| Mikho | it's pretty usual the admins keep changing settings without telling me | 02:57 |
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| LinuxCode | is it just me or is mplayer way more responsive on the N810 | 03:37 |
| LinuxCode | than the player nokia supplies | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much. | 03:37 |
| LinuxCode | hought it was just me.. | 03:37 |
| LinuxCode | way better | 03:37 |
| LinuxCode | ! | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot more optimization | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a lot of optimization that Nokia couldn't really do with their media player. | 03:38 |
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| zerojay | How is mplayer more responsive? It doesn't have a UI? | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:40 |
| LinuxCode | ok I guess Im dreaming then | 03:40 |
| LinuxCode | GMPlayer interface | 03:40 |
| LinuxCode | its fake | 03:40 |
| LinuxCode | you are all fake..im asleep | 03:40 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 03:40 |
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| alterego | Cool, got a USB WiFi dongle running on my N810 :) | 04:26 |
| * alterego is happy. | 04:26 | |
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| johnx | alterego, what are you doing for power? | 04:26 |
| alterego | Powered USB hub | 04:26 |
| lcuk_3 | alter, is that for when you need double speed connection? | 04:26 |
| alterego | lcuk_3, yes .. I'm gonna do ether bonding .. | 04:27 |
| alterego | Heh, only kidding. | 04:27 |
| johnx | heh | 04:27 |
| alterego | It's for promisc mode. | 04:27 |
| lcuk_3 | so was i, why on earth do you need it | 04:27 |
| lcuk_3 | ahhh | 04:27 |
| johnx | you could do packet injection with it, then sniff from the built-in wifi I guess | 04:27 |
| alterego | My job entails quite a bit of network discovery. | 04:27 |
| lcuk_3 | i fscked my usb and made my 810 reboot with just a keyboard yesterday | 04:27 |
| alterego | I made my N810 hang earlier by insmod'ing the wrong module ^_^ | 04:28 |
| lcuk_3 | ... | 04:28 |
| johnx | hopefully they'll continue to iron out the USB issues going forward | 04:28 |
| lcuk_3 | the keyboard worked really well at first, BUT it couldnt handle chording | 04:29 |
| lcuk_3 | (i experimented) | 04:29 |
| lcuk_3 | on the powered hub its fine, but if i bashed more than one key with it direct it went over power | 04:29 |
| alterego | Odd | 04:29 |
| lcuk_3 | it must have just been on the cusp | 04:29 |
| lcuk_3 | i got a plainjane keyboard as well, didnt want it doin any of the fancy multimedia key processing | 04:30 |
| lcuk_3 | linux question: i think i know my root password, but since i dont need it for anything now (its saved in the couple of places i needed it) how can i test and check | 04:31 |
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| johnx | you could try logging in over ssh | 04:32 |
| lcuk_3 | connection details are saved | 04:32 |
| lcuk_3 | tell you what, ill type it here and you can remotely check its ok | 04:32 |
| lcuk_3 | ******** | 04:33 |
| johnx | :P | 04:33 |
| johnx | hey! that's the same as my root password! | 04:33 |
| lcuk_3 | :O | 04:33 |
| johnx | ...you could always reset it with passwd after you're logged in as root | 04:33 |
| lcuk_3 | thats "passwd" isnt it | 04:33 |
| lcuk_3 | oh crap | 04:34 |
| lcuk_3 | helps if i read properly | 04:34 |
| johnx | heh...it's ok. but I was very confused for a couple seconds | 04:34 |
| lcuk_3 | thanks ill check it first - i know on the 810 keyboard i had to use a different one | 04:34 |
| lcuk_3 | cant stand it now, the more i use it the more i wishes nokia had included better layout | 04:35 |
| pupnik_ | 'better'? | 04:36 |
| lcuk_3 | missing tab, no pipe on single key | 04:37 |
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| johnx | the zaurus c3x00/1000 is an example of this "better" you speak of | 04:37 |
| lcuk_3 | ive used smaller keyboards better | 04:37 |
| pupnik_ | Are most users of N810 *nix shell hackers? | 04:38 |
| johnx | no, neither was that the target market of the Zaurus | 04:38 |
| johnx | some people like to type numbers or indent their text though | 04:38 |
| pupnik_ | Anyway, i want to make some changes for mine also (pipe, alt, tab) | 04:38 |
| pupnik_ | is xmodmap the way to do it, or something else? | 04:39 |
| lcuk_3 | tab i am going to change to dpad centre | 04:39 |
| lcuk_3 | but that will fck other people up who use it | 04:39 |
| johnx | xmodmap would do it on a normal Linux. I have no idea on maemo | 04:39 |
| pupnik_ | then map the enter key to the carriage return as well, and not the numpad enter | 04:39 |
| lcuk_3 | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# w00t | 04:39 |
| * johnx has an N800 | 04:39 | |
| t_s_o | i think i read a blog entry on planet about someone doing just those changes using xmodmap... | 04:40 |
| pupnik_ | btw, my OS2006 SDL apps run on OS2008, but the Fn key doesn't wokr | 04:40 |
| lcuk_3 | i think xmodmap will work - i read articles about it working but at the time i hadnt done gainroot | 04:40 |
| johnx | you shouldn't need to gainroot | 04:40 |
| pupnik_ | thx t_s_o - if anyone finds a howto please paste the link | 04:40 |
| lcuk_3 | they were discussing other things - an rx-44 keyboard layout file or something, it needed root to modify | 04:41 |
| t_s_o | hrmf, thats the one thing planet.maemo.org is missing, a search ;) | 04:41 |
| t_s_o | oh wait, google blogsearch :D | 04:41 |
| t_s_o | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ | 04:42 |
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| lcuk_3 | thats the one i read... and the comment explains the way i tried | 04:44 |
| t_s_o | ah | 04:44 |
| lcuk_3 | thanks for digging up i was hunting my shortcuts | 04:44 |
| t_s_o | np, just entered xmodmap and n810 into google blogsearch and it was the first one there | 04:45 |
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| lcuk_3 | hmmm firefox threw it into the default bin folder | 04:46 |
| * pupnik_ awards t_s_o two internets for the useful link | 04:46 | |
| lcuk_3 | am i the only person who saves thousands of links | 04:47 |
| johnx | lcuk_3, yes | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used to | 04:47 |
| lcuk_3 | lol - i leave breadcrumbs of anything along the way and can normally find things | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | then I realized I never used them again | 04:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and couldn't find things I wanted. | 04:47 |
| johnx | same here | 04:48 |
| lcuk_3 | i keep a list of about 15 useful ones but the rest are just in case | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never really got into del.icio.us, either. | 04:48 |
| johnx | I also realized that more often than not it was quicker to re-google something than to dig through my bookmarks | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 04:48 |
| johnx | I really, really tried to like delicious | 04:48 |
| lcuk_3 | normally its not too bad because i can look and see at a glance which night it was | 04:48 |
| ThomasM | I wish they hadn't replaced the capslock key on OS2008 with a language selector. That really belongs in a menu, not where functionality has been removed. | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The pages I visit often are set up as shortcuts in OmniWeb | 04:49 |
| lcuk_3 | for ages i had a homebuilt page with everything useful | 04:49 |
| lcuk_3 | was quick as well | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quite a cool feature. Type "itt" for internettablettalk.com, etc. Do searches with "imdb <search>". | 04:50 |
| ThomasM | I use yubnub.org | 04:50 |
| ThomasM | Very similar. | 04:50 |
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| ThomasM | (Even switched the microbrowser to default to it on my N800, so that I can type 'wp Foo' and search Wikipedia for "Foo".) | 04:51 |
| t_s_o | heh, if find myself recalling the "content" of the page im looking for, but cant get google to figure out the exact page, instead giving me just about anything else | 04:51 |
| lcuk_3 | that riles me | 04:51 |
| lcuk_3 | i remember the layout more than specific words | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I do that pretty often, too, t_s_o. | 04:51 |
| lcuk_3 | i know theres a picture there and the text is over there | 04:51 |
| * lcuk_3 can tell most common webpages from 40 paces | 04:52 | |
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| lcuk_3 | they change so much text wise they arent memorable | 04:53 |
| t_s_o | how was it one disabled the "smart" scrolling in the browser again? | 04:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a bugzilla bug on it, t_s_o. | 04:54 |
| t_s_o | thanks | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | dpad, d-pad, or d pad or somesuch | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | or just search for "snav" in the comments. | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a WONTFIX | 04:54 |
| ThomasM | t_s_o: That where it scrolls from link to link? | 04:55 |
| ThomasM | If you're using opera, you can fix it by editing the config file from xterm. | 04:56 |
| ThomasM | I'd like to find a fix for the microb running on OS2K8. | 04:56 |
| lcuk_3 | would it be in the about:config thing? | 04:56 |
| ThomasM | I've looked with no luck. | 04:56 |
| Vulcanis | ThomasM: Thought that was what the 2008 browser was based off of | 04:56 |
| ThomasM | Maybe a setting to add. | 04:56 |
| ThomasM | Vulcanis: It is. Quite nice, really. Full gmail and all that. | 04:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 04:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423 | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the comments. | 04:57 |
| ThomasM | Doing so now, thank you. | 04:58 |
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| * lcuk_3 will try that as well, thanks gen | 04:59 | |
| lcuk_3 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423 | 04:59 |
| lcuk | oooh thanks lc ;) | 05:00 |
| lcuk | oh thanks lc ;) | 05:00 |
| lcuk_3 | damn mini kb | 05:00 |
| ThomasM | Just disabling snav is all I wanted. Didn't really want a page down/page up. | 05:00 |
| t_s_o | hmm, have anyone gotten msn to work with the chat beta? | 05:01 |
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| ustunozgur | t_s_o: yes | 05:03 |
| lcuk_3 | gen - are you still using the brightness mod from rm? | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yup | 05:04 |
| lcuk_3 | you have a later one dont you | 05:05 |
| lcuk_3 | where abouts is he based, so ill know when he may be on | 05:05 |
| lcuk_3 | (if you know) | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | US, I think | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually later at night. | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | memoserv | 05:06 |
| lcuk_3 | yer ill grab him later in the week its not vital | 05:06 |
| lcuk_3 | one other thing... | 05:06 |
| lcuk_3 | do you ever sleep - you seem to be floating about more than me and i barely ever sleep | 05:07 |
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| * lcuk_3 thinks gen is an android :P | 05:07 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course I do. :P | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | My cat IRCs for me when I sleep. | 05:08 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, I wish my cat did that | 05:08 |
| LinuxCode | instead he still hasnt understood the principal of catching mice inside and taking them out.. | 05:09 |
| LinuxCode | instead he brings them in | 05:09 |
| lcuk_3 | thats good then - ive seen you in more logs than anyone, you are great asset for the nokias :) | 05:09 |
| johnx | and so is your cat :D | 05:09 |
| lcuk_3 | lol | 05:09 |
| lcuk_3 | gen's cat has taught gen to bring him mice on a platter | 05:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's my big push to get myself a discount code for the N900. :P | 05:10 |
| lcuk_3 | with usb cables removed of course | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | *her | 05:10 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 05:10 |
| LinuxCode | N900 | 05:10 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, ok..make a vmware dev image then | 05:10 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 05:11 |
| LinuxCode | so people can go straight to compiling stuff | 05:11 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | No machines to run it on. | 05:11 |
| lcuk_3 | well if thats your game i think i will tie up a brainwave interface and work towards a t9000 ;) | 05:11 |
| johnx | hmm | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | *over here. | 05:11 |
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| LinuxCode | lets see if these scripts do something nasty | 05:12 |
| billh | hello friends | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | Id really like a scratchbox dev environment | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | for the N810 | 05:12 |
| lcuk_3 | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | vr0000m | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | omg! | 05:12 |
| * LinuxCode clicks | 05:12 | |
| lcuk_3 | hello bill | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | omg! | 05:12 |
| lcuk_3 | yer linux | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_3, will you marry me ? | 05:12 |
| lcuk_3 | all ready for you | 05:12 |
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| LinuxCode | ;-D | 05:13 |
| lcuk_3 | get in line, my missus is first | 05:13 |
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| LinuxCode | ok not literally of course | 05:13 |
| LinuxCode | bahaha | 05:13 |
| pupnik_ | that was an unintended juxtaposition | 05:13 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 05:13 |
| lcuk_3 | linux, that vmware image is supposed to be fully ready for you. i didnt get far enough in but i know others have done great things with it | 05:14 |
| pupnik_ | i'm seeding it | 05:14 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_3, sweet I will download it at uni tomorrow | 05:14 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 05:14 |
| * LinuxCode bookmarks | 05:14 | |
| LinuxCode | theres a few core apps id like to package app | 05:14 |
| LinuxCode | core as in that I use a lot | 05:15 |
| LinuxCode | xchat for instance | 05:15 |
| LinuxCode | amsn...stuff like that | 05:15 |
| lcuk_3 | xchat is already avail | 05:15 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_3, wont install on the N810 | 05:15 |
| LinuxCode | missing deps | 05:15 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 05:15 |
| lcuk_3 | ive got it | 05:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs again. | 05:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 05:15 |
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| lcuk_3 | lol gen - why isnt that in default repo yet | 05:15 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, is that your stuff ? | 05:15 |
| lcuk | see liinux | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess because it's "beta" | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, not mine, LinuxCode. | 05:16 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 05:16 |
| LinuxCode | kk | 05:16 |
| lcuk | enough ppl use it tho | 05:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's never once crashed on me. | 05:16 |
| johnx | so I figured I'd be terribly clever and compile libgstalsa.so and drop it in place so I could use alsasink from gstreamer on my N800...and the presense of that file put my device into a reboot loop | 05:17 |
| johnx | craziness | 05:17 |
| lcuk_3 | im gonna vanish - work in the morning and still a few pages to read tonight | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | nn lcuk_3 ;-D | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | I should go too actually | 05:18 |
| pupnik_ | the n810 is better-looking than my last two girlfriends | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | 3:18 am | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | meh | 05:18 |
| pupnik_ | still no /dev/dsp though | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | pupnik_, haha | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | harsh! | 05:18 |
| lcuk_3 | lol linux, if your not careful my missus will make you a pink furry 810 case | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_3, did you see the standard case mate ? | 05:19 |
| billh | on OS2008, is there a trick to using an icon for an application? I've added it to the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon, and put what I think are the right size version icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps dir (also tried 26x26 and scalable dirs), but they don't show up in the gui. also ran gtk-update-icon-cache, but that didn't help | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | its almost pink and furry | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | ok its actually not that bad | 05:19 |
| lcuk_3 | i did yer until i let her borrow it yesterday - she fluffin lost it | 05:19 |
| lcuk_3 | mine was blue | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | ohh ;-| | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | yeh mine too | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | turquoise ish | 05:19 |
| lcuk_3 | and its now MIA | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | later | 05:19 |
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| lcuk_3 | i cant put it in pocket anymore | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | thanks again for the hints | 05:19 |
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| lcuk_3 | np | 05:20 |
| lcuk_3 | nite all | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | pupnik_, I love the N810 | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | had mine today | 05:20 |
| johnx | 'night lcuk_3 | 05:20 |
| pupnik_ | billh sorry i don't have details on it - my dosbox 0.72 icon works and launches it just fine | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | its astoningly easy to use the qwert keybaord | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | well the function key needs moving | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | apart from that its awesome | 05:20 |
| pupnik_ | LinuxCode: i like it too, but don't have experience with other thumb keyboards | 05:21 |
| LinuxCode | maybe im just too crippled with my hands to use the Fn key | 05:21 |
| billh | pupnik_, this is an icon that you put on the system? where did you put it, and what was it's size? | 05:21 |
| pupnik_ | /usr/share/pixmaps/dosbox.xpm | 05:22 |
| pupnik_ | 13177 bytes | 05:23 |
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| billh | thanks. by size, I mean the height and width? | 05:24 |
| pupnik_ | 32x32 | 05:25 |
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| billh | ok, I'll try that | 05:25 |
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| johnx | gah! why should adding a gstreamer plugin end up with the system being in a reboot loop. Sometimes I don't think Nokia thought this whole watchdog thing through O_o | 05:30 |
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| johnx | does anyone have an idea on why adding a gstreamer plugin would cause a reboot loop? | 05:40 |
| johnx | is watchdog somehow able to sense that sound output is broken? | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something it monitors crashes. | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, you did something wrong. | 05:44 |
| johnx | right. I figure that alsasink somehow becomes the default audiosink and something can't cope with that... | 05:46 |
| johnx | is there some documentation on what watchdog monitors? or even where it gets launched from? | 05:46 |
| johnx | I guess I could just use RD mode to disable it entirely but I would really like to this work "the right way" | 05:47 |
| johnx | ah, probably launched from initfs | 05:48 |
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| zerojay | Nokia slashes 2300 jobs. | 05:56 |
| zerojay | Not good. | 05:56 |
| t_s_o | their german factory, right? | 05:57 |
| zerojay | I guess. | 05:57 |
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| shackan | zerojay: ugh, not good at all | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are they just moving the factory elsewhere? | 06:08 |
| johnx | yeah | 06:08 |
| johnx | Romania isn't it? | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they're moving it someplace without ridiculous labor laws, then it's a good thing for the consumer. | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Means less expensive tablets for us. | 06:08 |
| zerojay | Romania = bad. | 06:10 |
| johnx | hmm...actually I can't find out where I read that now | 06:10 |
| zerojay | I deal with them constantly. | 06:10 |
| johnx | so take it with a grain of salt | 06:10 |
| zerojay | And they all pretty much suck at anything remotely programming or electronics-related. | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now there's a sweeping generalization if I've ever heard one. :P | 06:10 |
| johnx | nm, "...is to shift much of the production capacity from Bochum to a new plant at Cluj, Romania after deciding labour costs are too high in Germany..." | 06:10 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: It used to be one. It's not anymore. | 06:11 |
| zerojay | They get paid next to nothing. | 06:11 |
| zerojay | $500 a month is enough to live like a king there. | 06:11 |
| zerojay | I know some people seriously considering moving there for that reason. | 06:12 |
| johnx | well, that's globalization for ya' | 06:12 |
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| desrt | hai! | 06:13 |
| johnx | hi | 06:13 |
| desrt | i'm a canadian and we're a little slow here, eh? | 06:13 |
| zerojay | Yes, we are... indeed. | 06:13 |
| zerojay | Eh? | 06:13 |
| desrt | zerojay; you in the device programme? | 06:13 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 06:14 |
| * desrt is randomly wondering what's going on..... | 06:14 | |
| zerojay | I've pretty much given up. | 06:14 |
| desrt | have you tried using your code lately? | 06:14 |
| zerojay | And I'm almost to that point with the whole tablet platform too. | 06:14 |
| zerojay | No. | 06:15 |
| desrt | zerojay; woh dude. chill out | 06:15 |
| desrt | tablets are awesome :) | 06:15 |
| zerojay | Agreed. | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crippled by a support group of idiots. | 06:15 |
| johnx | eh...it's not nearly as bad as sharp | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | the tablet program needs some strong leadership. | 06:15 |
| desrt | last time i called nokia canada about this i got a guy who was entirely useless to me but extremely helpful about it | 06:16 |
| zerojay | I just feel like we're ignored and after a year of saying "It'll get better" to everyone... I'm seeing that it probably won't. | 06:16 |
| desrt | (i called them about using my american n800 code in canada... they couldn't help me... but they were really good about it) | 06:16 |
| zerojay | Even the American codes don't work. | 06:16 |
| zerojay | In America. | 06:16 |
| desrt | oh. that's most unfortunate. | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's such a stupidly simple thing to do, too. | 06:17 |
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| derf | desrt: I called Nokia USA about using an American code in America, and they were completely unhelpful, and useless. | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | One guy with access and a couple hours could get the whole thing rolling. | 06:17 |
| zerojay | Well, a corporation as large as Nokia... even simple things can take a long time. | 06:17 |
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| LinuxCode | call jaaksi...so he goes to kick some arse | 06:19 |
| |R | at least a coupon code field poped up on nokia.ca :) | 06:19 |
| |R | (not working but ... haha, only a "week" (ie a year)) | 06:19 |
| desrt | |R; that's a generic field that's been there for ages | 06:19 |
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| |R | uhm, it was gone for a while then, or maybe i have a major brain damage :P | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ari seems pretty apathetic/clueless about the whole deal. | 06:20 |
| desrt | last time i used that field it told me "n800/n810 are not eligible for discount adn must be purchased separately" or something :p | 06:20 |
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| billh | later all | 06:21 |
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| |R | hehe | 06:21 |
| |R | yesterday it just said: invalid code (or some such...) | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, which is a big part of the problem, the guy that could go out, kick some ass and get the ball moving hasn't done shit (well, as far as we can tell). | 06:22 |
| desrt | eh | 06:22 |
| desrt | i still have my n800 | 06:22 |
| LinuxCode | hmmmm | 06:22 |
| desrt | and it's not like i'm hacking on any GPS-related thing | 06:22 |
| desrt | so not having a n810 doesn't exactly block any work | 06:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It does for the guys with 770s. | 06:23 |
| desrt | poor guys | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, really, that doesn't even matter. | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a mess, and we've really heard nothing | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't even hear anything about the repository issues. | 06:24 |
| * desrt tries not to complain when receiving a (near) handout :) | 06:24 | |
| |R | yeah, nobody says a thing... | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | "handout" | 06:24 |
| desrt | you mean the repostory issues? :) | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their margins aren't that tight. | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | desrt, no, actually. | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just that mispellings direct to stage.maemo.org | 06:25 |
| johnx | they don'y communicate about *anything* | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | not that repostory.maemo.org was actually how they spelled it. | 06:25 |
| desrt | well, it worked for me in any case :) | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could've done "nokiacangoeaticecream.maemo.org" and it would've worked. | 06:26 |
| desrt | right | 06:27 |
| desrt | but we just went over the fact that i don't have an n810 | 06:27 |
| desrt | and there's no way i would have wasted that much time typing that into a touchscreen | 06:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Eh, I do 40wpm on average on the fullscreen keyboard. | 06:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's actually quite good (well, except for the fact that they end up adding more bugs to it than they fix with each release). | 06:28 |
| LinuxCode | cant you use ssh ? | 06:31 |
| johnx | is the code to their fullscreen keyboard open source now? | 06:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No | 06:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody would've made it unbroken if it were. | 06:35 |
| LinuxCode | I wonder why Nokia isnt more "engaged" then | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The glacial flow of big corporations. | 06:36 |
| LinuxCode | clearly its in their interest that there are loads of packages and stuff available for the Nxxx range | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | They can't move like a small company. | 06:37 |
| LinuxCode | or the product will end up like wince handheld | 06:37 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 06:37 |
| LinuxCode | hmmm | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | They didn't predict the success of the platform | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I think we're still feeling the effects of that. | 06:37 |
| LinuxCode | ahh that would make sense | 06:37 |
| johnx | they have tons of motivation to do all these things but somehow they just aren't happening | 06:38 |
| LinuxCode | I think almost any linux user wanted a device like this | 06:38 |
| LinuxCode | I told 4 people about it..they all did their research and came back and said wow! | 06:38 |
| LinuxCode | anyway guys I better go to bed... | 06:38 |
| LinuxCode | big thank you for that vmware link | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | I will grab that tomorrow and play a little | 06:39 |
| johnx | 'night LinuxCode | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | gotta learn debian package management too | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | nn guys | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not enough people, undersized infrastructure, stupid management. | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | and thanks for all | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | ehh to | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | not for | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | night | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | or both ! | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 06:39 |
| LinuxCode | <-- too tired | 06:39 |
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| johnx | wow, dependency graphs are pretty ugly | 07:01 |
| johnx | I just looked at the whole recursive dependency graph osso-notes and it's so complicated as to be unreadable | 07:02 |
| johnx | so much for that | 07:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need a bigger brain. | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not FOR _stupid_ people. :P | 07:06 |
| johnx | I need a bigger screen! | 07:07 |
| johnx | and I need to figure out a way to colorize the lines | 07:08 |
| johnx | they just turn into spaghetti in the middle :/ | 07:08 |
| johnx | yeah, I need to hack my frontal lobe for more short term memory, too | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://quad9damage.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/icepick.jpg | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | With one of those? :P | 07:12 |
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| johnx | I don't know if trepanning is the answer | 07:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lobotomizing might be, though! | 07:13 |
| johnx | yeah, and with the spare room I can just print out the graph, crumple it up and shove it in my head | 07:14 |
| johnx | ingenious | 07:14 |
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| Sage_ | Is there a way to find out why application is not starting from the menu? I can only see "Application - loading" message in upperright corner, but nothing happens after that. Is there log file somewhere? (OS2008) | 08:25 |
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| shres | hey, Just curious does Maemo use KAA-Kdrive or EXA or something else? | 08:41 |
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| sxpert | hmm. someone from nokia has been trying to contact me... | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | They want their N810 back? :P | 09:06 |
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| Rocketman | Anyone fooled around with hostmode usb on n810? | 09:51 |
| mbuf | what is the status of qemu with Maemo? | 09:51 |
| Rocketman | I got host working on my n800 with os 2008, but curiously same steps don't work on my n810 | 09:53 |
| mbuf | i am lost between maemo sdk vmware applications + chinook + mamona! | 09:53 |
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| mbuf | *appliance | 09:53 |
| Rocketman | I am using a A to A gender changer with the factory included cable | 09:54 |
| Rocketman | and then setting host mode manually via xterm | 09:54 |
| Rocketman | by changing to root and then | 09:54 |
| Rocketman | echo host> yadayada, etc | 09:55 |
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| Rocketman | when I do that on my n800 I can use flash drive and usb keyboard, but no dice with n810 | 09:59 |
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| Rocketman | lively bunch | 10:02 |
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| truent | kde4 | 10:15 |
| truent | eh. | 10:15 |
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| Rocketman | I've been playing with 3.5 on my 800 | 10:19 |
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| Rocketman | Is 4.0 available somewhere? | 10:19 |
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| truent | Rocketman: sorry just on the desktop | 10:23 |
| truent | havent tried it on the n800 quite yet :P | 10:23 |
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| Cptn-N800 | -_- | 11:02 |
| Cptn-N800 | Brought usb kb to school, forgot the host cable | 11:03 |
| Luria | heh | 11:03 |
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| Luria | you get demoted to commander-n800 | 11:03 |
| Cptn-N800 | *Slaps self* | 11:03 |
| Cptn-N800 | Lol | 11:03 |
| Cptn-N800 | Sir yes sir | 11:03 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Usb ir transmtter + genius maemo devs = remote control? | 11:50 |
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| pupnik | you want to have a dangling IR dongle off your tablet? | 11:53 |
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| unique311 | pupnik did ya give lunapaint a try? | 12:01 |
| Cptn-N800 | Pupnik not really, would have to mod one | 12:02 |
| pupnik | unique311: no sorry | 12:03 |
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| unique311 | no problem. | 12:05 |
| unique311 | im running mtpaint. | 12:05 |
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| unique311 | lunapaint builds, but with 2 warnings. | 12:08 |
| unique311 | then it segfualts whe trying to run it in SB or the Device | 12:09 |
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| pupnik | strace and gdb can help you figure out what's causing it to crash | 12:12 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, got it | 13:19 |
| pupnik | ? | 13:19 |
| unique311 | lunapaint running | 13:20 |
| unique311 | bitdepth was set to 24 | 13:20 |
| unique311 | changed it to 16 | 13:20 |
| unique311 | and it runs | 13:20 |
| pupnik | does it use sdl? | 13:22 |
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| unique311 | yes | 13:23 |
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| pupnik | i haven't seen a SDL program that uses menus extensively before | 13:25 |
| _berto_ | (off-topic) the new ThinkPad Air: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHs9AZbumKc | 13:25 |
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| unique311 | the color bar i can choose colors from. | 13:27 |
| unique311 | but the toolbar doesn't seem to want to work. | 13:27 |
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| Zic | hi | 13:44 |
| Spakman | alterego: Hi. Why are only the 0.3 ruby-maemo packages available from maemo.rubyx.co.uk? Is there some problem with 0.4? | 13:44 |
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| alterego | Spakman, 0.4 is in the repository. You have to use the install file. | 13:45 |
| alterego | Whoops, I should update the introduction :) | 13:46 |
| Spakman | alterego: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/Packages/maemo4/armel/ lists 0.3 too :) | 13:52 |
| alterego | I told you, they're in the debian repository. You have to use the install file .. | 13:52 |
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| Mikho | hmm, how should I make it so the application I install with a .deb file has write permissions to it's data folder in /usr/share/<application>/ | 13:53 |
| alterego | Those packages are old. | 13:53 |
| Spakman | yes, I know. Just figured you might want to update that too. | 13:53 |
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| alterego | Spakman, I'll probably end up deleting all that ;) | 13:53 |
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| Spakman | ah, cool | 13:54 |
| alterego | The 'Packages' directory is only there because I hadn't setup a debian repository or install file. | 13:54 |
| alterego | Now that's done there's little point in it being there. | 13:54 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 13:59 |
| NeoStrider | anyone know what key "menu key" actually is? | 14:00 |
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| Spakman | NeoStrider: one of the function keys, I think | 14:01 |
| Spakman | perhaps F4 | 14:01 |
| michele_ | F5 | 14:02 |
| |tbb| | hello, what is that sdl thing, everyone talking about | 14:02 |
| NeoStrider | |tbb|: Im using it | 14:02 |
| kulve | grep MENU ./hildon-1/hildon/hildon-defines.h | 14:02 |
| kulve | #define HILDON_HARDKEY_MENU GDK_F4 | 14:02 |
| michele_ | eh :) | 14:02 |
| NeoStrider | thanks! | 14:02 |
| alterego | Yeah, I thought it was F4 | 14:02 |
| alterego | |tbb|, SDL is pretty easy to google . | 14:02 |
| NeoStrider | |tbb|: dont you know Simple DirectMedia Layer? most linux (and some windows) games use it | 14:03 |
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| alterego | Why can't I check out the damn microb-engine from SVN >:( | 14:04 |
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| solmumah1 | alterego: do you still have packages for 770? | 14:04 |
| alterego | solmumah1, yes. The legacy packages are up there. | 14:04 |
| LoCusF | is philip langdale on this channel? | 14:04 |
| alterego | When I release 0.4.1 I plan on back porting to OS2006 | 14:05 |
| alterego | But I wont be writing any new libraries _just_ for OS2006. You get what you're given :P | 14:05 |
| alterego | Finally .. It's coming out of SVN. | 14:05 |
| alterego | solmumah1, want to write me a system that allows me to control the playback of media on my N800 from my N810? | 14:06 |
| alterego | I want my N810 to be a remote for my N800. | 14:06 |
| solmumah1 | lol | 14:07 |
| solmumah1 | why? | 14:07 |
| LoCusF | x11vnc :) | 14:07 |
| alterego | I was thinking more bluetooth, save on battery power. | 14:07 |
| alterego | As the devices will just be in different pockets. | 14:08 |
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| lcuk | alter - i was thinking similar but using my old pocket LOOX in bluetooth mode as a numeric keypad for 810 | 14:08 |
| alterego | I'm not sure I'd call that similar :P | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | it allows 2 handed typing :P | 14:09 |
| alterego | Well, I'm quite happy with two thumb typing for most cases. And I have a micro USB keyboard for heavy data entry. | 14:10 |
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| alterego | I ordered a couple of 4G cards which should arrive by the end of this week. | 14:10 |
| solmumah1 | alterego: ah, found them.. should have rtfm | 14:10 |
| chille | does anyone know how do disassemble a file from the N800= | 14:10 |
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| solmumah1 | i'm still using the developer release on my 770 | 14:11 |
| chille | my objdump dosn't support arm | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | alter they for you 810 or your 800 | 14:11 |
| alterego | 4G micro SD cards, they come with a micro->mini adapter and a micro->SD adapter. | 14:12 |
| alterego | They're meant for my N810 | 14:12 |
| alterego | My N800 is finding it hard to decide on it's own fate :) | 14:12 |
| solmumah1 | alterego: do you have bindings for everything needed for your remote thing? | 14:13 |
| alterego | I figure using it as a media player would save the battery life of my N810, as I listen to a lot of music when I'm out and about. | 14:13 |
| johnx | alterego, build box :) | 14:13 |
| johnx | or a wireless security cam | 14:13 |
| lcuk | do they both run at identical speed? i thought there were slight differences in the onboard memory which even though the CPU is running same would make for noticable diffs | 14:13 |
| alterego | I was contemplating on attempting to install maemo from svn on it. | 14:14 |
| alterego | The N810 does seem a little faster. But I thought that was just my imagination. | 14:14 |
| lcuk | its maybe just the shiney | 14:14 |
| alterego | Yeah, they work well for me. | 14:15 |
| alterego | I don't have a problem with their speed at all really. | 14:15 |
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| alterego | I'd like to see more battery life. | 14:16 |
| alterego | If anything | 14:16 |
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| alterego | Maybe more open hardware too. | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | now you have an 810 would you still recommend ppl dip their toes into tablets with one, or should they stick with 800 (of course if they need gps or key then its a nobrainer) | 14:16 |
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| solmumah1 | does n810 use the same battery as n800? | 14:16 |
| alterego | No, the N810 uses a slimline battery. | 14:16 |
| lcuk | 810 battery gets hot during charging - entire unit feels wrong when i lay it on my bed | 14:17 |
| lcuk | i have to lift it onto a book or something for fear of it overheating | 14:17 |
| pupnik | mine is cool to touch | 14:17 |
| alterego | All I can do is offer my opinion on the device. I think the N810 is the most attractive device I've ever seen. | 14:17 |
| alterego | And it really is a perfect size. | 14:17 |
| pupnik | agree with alterego | 14:17 |
| lcuk | so do i | 14:18 |
| alterego | The N800 feels kind of bulky compared to the N810. | 14:18 |
| lcuk | its so shiney its slippy | 14:18 |
| pupnik | going to the cellphone shop today to wave it infront of their noses while i purchase a spare battery | 14:18 |
| alterego | Hahah | 14:18 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/daimonin_widget_810.jpg have you taken a picture of your n810 yet alterego ? | 14:18 |
| alterego | I think the only thing I dislike about the N810 is the soft case :) | 14:18 |
| alterego | The fake grey leather isn't very appealing. | 14:19 |
| * lcuk hasnt got a case at all :( | 14:19 | |
| pupnik | same here - hard case will be obtained soon | 14:19 |
| alterego | pupnik, that's awesome. | 14:19 |
| * lcuk cannot take it out | 14:19 | |
| lcuk | ive seen some leather case thing on ebay which makes it look a bit too S&M | 14:19 |
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| alterego | I'm kind of paranoid. There are a couple of scratches appearing on the back of the device. From it just being slid around on a table surface :( | 14:20 |
| mardi___ | what game is that on 810 pipnik? | 14:20 |
| alterego | I don't see peoples problems with the GPS either. | 14:21 |
| alterego | I don't think they've ever owned one before and think that 1 or 2 minute locks are unusual. | 14:21 |
| alterego | 1 or 2 minute locks are good :) | 14:21 |
| lcuk | my missus came up with a great one for the gps: "maybe its just busy" | 14:21 |
| alterego | Hahah, nice. | 14:21 |
| zerojay | Canadians, the device codes should work for you now. | 14:22 |
| alterego | Wicked. | 14:22 |
| alterego | Can Americans get it yet zerojay ? | 14:22 |
| zerojay | Dunno. | 14:22 |
| lcuk | anyway, its time for unreal tourny, back tonight | 14:22 |
| alterego | I kind of like it in a way. That the US contributors have had to wait ages :) | 14:22 |
| alterego | Seeing as the US got the devices first .. | 14:23 |
| alterego | Weird, I see a libxul in my rootfs .. | 14:23 |
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| alterego | I thought that was disabled. | 14:24 |
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| alterego | solmumah1, did I tell you the new maemo release (which I'm working on now) is going to have gtkmozembed? | 14:24 |
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| mardi___ | nice | 14:25 |
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| zerojay | Argh.. Nokia only ships to the same address as the billing address. | 14:25 |
| zerojay | Fuck. | 14:25 |
| alterego | zerojay, yeah. That annoyed me a little too. | 14:26 |
| Lynoure | zerojay: no one at your billing address to forward it to you? | 14:26 |
| zerojay | Lynoure: It's really not that simple. | 14:26 |
| solmumah1 | alterego: does that mean i can forget about gtk and make the gui with html? :) | 14:27 |
| zerojay | What do you do when your credit card company refuses to allow you to change your billing address? :) | 14:27 |
| zerojay | And you don't live there anymore? | 14:27 |
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| zerojay | Anyways, later. | 14:27 |
| Lynoure | zerojay: uh, evil of them. I'd tell them I'll get another credit card elsewhere | 14:28 |
| alterego | solmumaha, you could do that now if you wanted :P ruby has WEBrick .. | 14:28 |
| Lynoure | That ought to scare them to their senses. | 14:28 |
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| pupnik810 | kkkkk | 14:28 |
| alterego | But sure .. It might make the system a little more "intergrated". | 14:28 |
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| solmumaha | i'm using gserver on server | 14:29 |
| solmumaha | but i guess html doesn't give me enough control | 14:29 |
| pupnik810 | kxchat is still in need of some fixes | 14:30 |
| alterego | solmumaha, what about XUL? :) | 14:30 |
| alterego | Well, as soon as 0.4.1 is out of the door. I'm going to seriously start working on Ruby 1.9 development on scratchbox 2 | 14:31 |
| alterego | Unfortunately without being able to run hildon desktop under sbox2 testing things will be difficult. | 14:31 |
| alterego | I'll have to test under sbox1 | 14:31 |
| lardman | I just saw Ferenc's email; a slight aside, is anyone actually able to use the Windows flasher (I'm not talking about download problems, but rather than the raw usb drivers don't get installed correctly) | 14:32 |
| solmumaha | nah, gtk is ok | 14:32 |
| alterego | Gtk takes too long to load .. | 14:32 |
| solmumaha | i hope someone writes the client as a plugin to canola ;) | 14:32 |
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| alterego | Right, well. I guess the most important thing to fix in ruby-maemo is ConIc | 14:35 |
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| solmumaha | that would be nice | 14:36 |
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| alterego | I suppose you'll be expecting documentation too .. | 14:37 |
| solmumaha | not necessary | 14:37 |
| alterego | Good, because I suck at writing documentation. | 14:38 |
| solmumaha | well an example would be nice | 14:38 |
| alterego | That's why all my documentation are just "notes" :) | 14:38 |
| alterego | More for me than you lusers :P | 14:39 |
| solmumaha | i've really haven't missed it, gnome2-ruby docs are great for gtk stuff | 14:39 |
| alterego | Actually, libosso is pretty well documented. | 14:39 |
| pupnik810 | solmumaha how is knots? | 14:39 |
| solmumaha | not sure | 14:40 |
| solmumaha | server is mostly done, client works for browsing, but thinking of rewriting most parts | 14:41 |
| solmumaha | i could give you a client for testing the browsing part | 14:43 |
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| henrique | anyone knows if there is python-twisted package for maemo [chinook]? | 14:49 |
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| pupnik810 | wow beautiful job on the mplayyer OSXD | 14:51 |
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| alterego | I'm really gonna have to sort out nfs on my tablets at some point. | 14:54 |
| jott | is there actually a way to launch the osso applications with X forwarding? (e.g. osso-xterm insist on running on :0, while e.g. maemo-mapper runs fine on the remote X) | 14:54 |
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| |tbb| | where do you have to store a .desktop file to get it into the menu | 14:59 |
| alterego | |tbb|, it's all in the tutorial. | 15:00 |
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| |tbb| | ive installed linkmake it places the link under /home/user which i dont understand | 15:01 |
| |tbb| | btw. from which tutorial you talking about | 15:03 |
| alterego | The maemo application development tutorial. | 15:03 |
| alterego | There's also a howto I believe. | 15:03 |
| |tbb| | does this elementary changed since bora 2 chinook | 15:04 |
| alterego | No, | 15:05 |
| alterego | It's been the same for ages. | 15:05 |
| alterego | Should be the same across OS2006-2008 at least. | 15:06 |
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| |tbb| | maybe the tool doesnt work properly it says it storse the link under extras menu but it doesnt. | 15:07 |
| |tbb| | anyone using linkmaker, succesfully | 15:08 |
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| * alterego sets up a sbox2 vm whilst he's waiting for stuff to compile. | 15:09 | |
| LoCusF | how do I force a version of a package? | 15:10 |
| wnd | apt-get install foo=1.2.3? | 15:11 |
| LoCusF | yeah | 15:12 |
| LoCusF | got that :) | 15:12 |
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| LoCusF | thanks | 15:13 |
| shres | Wow, sun acquires mysql | 15:18 |
| Nermal | keep up | 15:19 |
| Nermal | I look forward to the java version which is slow, bloated and fucking useless | 15:19 |
| Nermal | ahem | 15:19 |
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| alterego | Heh | 15:28 |
| alterego | I actually really respect Sun. | 15:28 |
| Nermal | I did until I worked for them | 15:28 |
| alterego | They've done a lot for the computing community. Even if I don't particularly like Java. | 15:29 |
| vegai | Nermal: that's probably true for any company | 15:29 |
| alterego | Yeah | 15:29 |
| Nermal | I guess so | 15:29 |
| alterego | 1 Billion, that's crazy. | 15:29 |
| Nermal | just the way they slag off things and then use them later on | 15:29 |
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| Nermal | probably several times what novell paid for suse | 15:29 |
| Nermal | which was 200 million iirc | 15:29 |
| vegai | alterego: where did you get the price? | 15:30 |
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| alterego | Someone just told me. | 15:30 |
| Veggen | We're a not-particularly-respected company, but I still feel like I work on a competent/fun place. | 15:30 |
| vegai | alterego: ah, yahoo has something | 15:31 |
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| alterego | Heh | 15:31 |
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| michele_ | where is the news about sun and mysql? | 15:42 |
| Lynoure | http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/ | 15:42 |
| michele_ | thanks | 15:42 |
| matmo | g'day. Trying to get an app icon into the menu (on SB). Have created a png in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable and ran "gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor" but no luck. Even restarted AF. What am I missing? | 15:44 |
| matmo | btw, error says "... not in theme" | 15:45 |
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| matmo | nm, I think it needs to be 26x26 or something other than scalable | 15:50 |
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| alterego | w00t, microb is finally built :D | 16:11 |
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| johnx | alterego, building an svn checkout for maemo? | 16:12 |
| alterego | Yup | 16:12 |
| alterego | Just finished. | 16:12 |
| matmo | hmmm, not have my icon in same sizes and same places as maemopad, updated cache, restarted... and still no icon! :-( | 16:13 |
| matmo | s/not/now | 16:13 |
| matmo | also the icon cache went from a few k to 10 meg | 16:13 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:14 |
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| Kompo_ | Is there any repository for Maemo 4.0 development? i.e. I'd like to build microb, but it build-requires 'bc' which is not in any repository (it seems). It's also hard to build from debian packages, since it requires libreadline5, which is not available in the SDK either.. | 16:17 |
| nuragico | Hi, what is the default browser on maemo 2008? My maemo2008 does not open it... | 16:17 |
| Kompo_ | So is there a repository for binaries used in maemo development? would make sense that there would be one.. | 16:18 |
| alterego | Kompo_, the build instructions are a bit broken. | 16:18 |
| alterego | Kompo_, follow these instead: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152 | 16:18 |
| Kompo_ | alterego: ok, thanks. So just build the thing by skipping the build-depends.. | 16:21 |
| alterego | Kompo_, yeah. | 16:22 |
| alterego | You'll run into some missing file errors too. | 16:22 |
| alterego | You need to obtain 3 graphics from an old SVN state. | 16:22 |
| alterego | Otherwise dpkg-buildpackage will fail. | 16:22 |
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| Kompo_ | alterego: right.. so it's again in a state in which it almost compiles out of the box, then.. | 16:23 |
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| alterego | Yes, it compiled fine for me. Except for those few little hiccups. | 16:24 |
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| wnd | does anybody else's recharger for N810 make funny noises when unplugged from wall socket while not connected to the device? | 16:25 |
| alterego | wnd, wtf? No! :D | 16:25 |
| alterego | Unless I make it play my guitar. | 16:25 |
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| johnx | wnd, no but the one for my zaurus does. heh...I used to have an external battery pack that made terrifying squealing noises while under load...until it was recalled because of risk of fire :) | 16:26 |
| johnx | feel better now? | 16:27 |
| johnx | :D | 16:27 |
| wnd | yeah, definitely | 16:27 |
| alterego | johnx, he said "unplugged from wall socket" ! | 16:27 |
| johnx | !! | 16:27 |
| johnx | I misread that | 16:27 |
| johnx | wow | 16:27 |
| zaheerm | wnd, i would send it back to nokia | 16:27 |
| wnd | ok clarification: it does that for a few seconds right after unplugging | 16:27 |
| johnx | gremlins...definitely gremlins | 16:27 |
| johnx | or capacitors | 16:28 |
| lcuk | wnd - if you listen quietly does it say "this charger will self destruct in 10 seconds?" | 16:28 |
| X-Fade_ | johnx: Probably the latter ;) | 16:28 |
| wnd | my guess would be discharging capacitor but it has been too long since the last time I played around with electronics. just wondering if it should do that. | 16:28 |
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| wnd | lcuk, no but it's telling me to do bad things! | 16:29 |
| alterego | Erm, | 16:29 |
| alterego | The nokia chargers shouldn't make any noise at all, plugged in or unplugged. | 16:29 |
| michele_ | alterego: does microb from svn have visible improvements? | 16:30 |
| alterego | michele_, I don't know, I'm not actually going to use it ;) I just want the dev libs for gtkmozembed. | 16:30 |
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| alterego | Now where's that maemo4 sbox2 guide ran off too .. | 16:31 |
| alterego | Aha | 16:31 |
| michele_ | alterego: even then you should notice at least if performance improves :) | 16:31 |
| X-Fade_ | I wish one could install the experimental versions of microb and get a nice changelog popup each time there is a new build. (Like Modest does nowadays!) | 16:31 |
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| alterego | Possibly. | 16:31 |
| alterego | It'll be a little while before I test it. | 16:31 |
| michele_ | alterego: what are you working on, if I may ask? | 16:31 |
| wnd | well, I was just wondering as it's not the first piece of electronics that I've heard doing that. I guess I'll be contacting nokia then. thanks. | 16:32 |
| alterego | michele_, I maintain the ruby-maemo project. This is for libgtkembedmoz bindings. | 16:32 |
| michele_ | wnd: I have had some lenovo thinkpads doing the same | 16:32 |
| michele_ | wnd: usually it's some bad soldering somewhere | 16:32 |
| X-Fade_ | wnd: I have a few lipo chargers. They make noice too, just frequent charging and discharging of capacitors.. | 16:33 |
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| michele_ | alterego: oh. ruby. sorry, now I'm supposed to hate you, since I use python. | 16:33 |
| alterego | wnd, the Nokia chargers are switch mode power supplies. It's not uncommon for solid state chargers/power adapters to make noises. | 16:33 |
| alterego | michele_, don't hate the player, hate the game :P | 16:33 |
| michele_ | alterego: :) | 16:33 |
| alterego | michele_, ruby-maemo was really just for me. I wanted to be able to write small hacks/apps for my N800 when I got it in August last year. | 16:34 |
| alterego | But I've had loads of interest in it. So it's been really rewarding in that respect. | 16:35 |
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| wnd | alterego, common or not, I'm just wonder if it's supposed to do that. my old pc psu from Q Technology used to do that after a few years. | 16:36 |
| Kompo_ | alterego: can you remember offhand which files or dirs or sth will fail? it's not exactly nice to wait three microb compiles to fail :) | 16:36 |
| michele_ | alterego: when you finish the things you want to wrap, I think it would a nice idea to have a standalone MokoFingerScroll library with py/rb wrappings | 16:36 |
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| alterego | wnd, like I said. Different technology. Power adapters that are heavy are the old fashioned transformer style PSU's the really light weight ones, like the Nokia are switch mode and should not make any audiable noise IMO. | 16:37 |
| alterego | Kompo_, it wont recompile the whole thing. | 16:37 |
| alterego | Kompo_, which is probably a bug ;) | 16:37 |
| alterego | Kompo_, I'll tar the files for you though. | 16:38 |
| nuragico | Hi, what is the default browser on maemo 2008? | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB | 16:38 |
| nuragico | thancs | 16:38 |
| nuragico | k | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot of people asking that question lately. | 16:39 |
| nuragico | it does not start | 16:39 |
| alterego | Weird. | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you restore from an OS2007 backup? | 16:39 |
| alterego | What's maemo 2008? :) | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better than maemo 2007. | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to make your pedant kill himself, go check out the ITT wiki, alterego. :P | 16:40 |
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| alterego | Hah | 16:40 |
| nuragico | I don't know | 16:40 |
| nuragico | ... | 16:40 |
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| johnx | nuragico, Did you make a backup when you still had OS2007? And if so, did you restore that backup after you installed OS2008? | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got really excited a few days ago after noticing that the front page looked a lot better than it used to. I thought some real progress had actually come out of the last "the non-searching noobies are destroying this community" thread. | 16:42 |
| alterego | Kompo_, unpack that in the microb-engine/microb-engine directory: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/microb_missing.tgz | 16:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So I fixed up the front page, then got really depressed when I went to fix up the articles. | 16:42 |
| alterego | Eesh | 16:42 |
| nuragico | I don't now | 16:43 |
| nuragico | know | 16:43 |
| Lynoure | sounds rollercoasterish | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The internet can do that to you, Lynoure. :P | 16:43 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm tempted to just drop the damn place entirely. | 16:43 |
| Kompo_ | alterego: thank you very much! nice, so the files disappear if I don't build with -nc ... | 16:43 |
| alterego | Kompo_, yah,. | 16:44 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, drop the internet? | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, ITT. | 16:44 |
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| alterego | ITT is very annoying. | 16:45 |
| alterego | It's only really useful when you've found it through google. | 16:45 |
| michele_ | forums are very annoying in general | 16:45 |
| alterego | I don't bother visiting it otherwise. | 16:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not the ones I normal frequent. | 16:45 |
| michele_ | I prefer good old MLs | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITT seems to have a disproportionate share of idiots, and their co-dependents than my previous experience with forums would suggest it should have. | 16:46 |
| johnx | there's too much divide between n00bs and experts on ITT. There's no one of a mid-level answering n00bs and the experts feel overwhelmed | 16:46 |
| alterego | Yeah, you'd expect the maemo community to be a bit more intellectual ^_^ | 16:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It probably is, they're all just running like hell from the place. :P | 16:47 |
| johnx | I blame the N8x0 marketing being too successful | 16:47 |
| alterego | A lot of the problems are people don't know where maemo questions begin and linux questions end. | 16:47 |
| michele_ | let's open ITST - IT Snob Talk | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 16:47 |
| alterego | michele_, I like that! | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody gets a banstick. | 16:47 |
| michele_ | first, no background images | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll end up being the most exclusive club ever. | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody is banned! | 16:48 |
| michele_ | great! | 16:48 |
| * michele_ runs off registering the domani | 16:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | One wonders if Reggie is trying to drive MicroB development by making ITT as bloated and non-compliant as possible. | 16:48 |
| alterego | Hahah | 16:48 |
| michele_ | eheh | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not incompetence or apathy—it's genius! | 16:49 |
| alterego | :) | 16:49 |
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| alterego | Just ordered another 2G of DDR for my workstation. | 16:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun. | 16:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 16:53 |
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| * GeneralAntilles needs a new computer. | 16:53 | |
| matmo | So any of you "experts" know why my icon is not showing in the menu? | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You did it wrong? | 16:53 |
| michele_ | I am going to get a new computer from my new company | 16:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:53 |
| michele_ | and I can't decide between a powermac or a thinkpad | 16:53 |
| michele_ | no | 16:53 |
| alterego | Eesh | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are no more Powermacs. :( | 16:54 |
| michele_ | macbook pro | 16:54 |
| matmo | GeneralAntilles: not according to the chinook tute | 16:54 |
| alterego | iCrap air? | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:54 |
| Nermal | get a thinkpad x61 or something | 16:54 |
| Nermal | smaller than a macbook air :P | 16:54 |
| michele_ | no, I need something bigger | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Laptops are stupid | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need an 8-core Mac Pro. :D | 16:54 |
| michele_ | I am leaning toward the T series | 16:54 |
| johnx | michele_, are you planning to put Linux on it? | 16:54 |
| michele_ | johnx: that's the crux of the question | 16:54 |
| johnx | thinkpad | 16:55 |
| johnx | hands down | 16:55 |
| michele_ | johnx: the default here is mac, but I know I prefer linux (because I already tried) | 16:55 |
| michele_ | yeah | 16:55 |
| alterego | Never really been too happy with the thinkpads. They're quite under powered compared to the competition. Obviously that could be said for Mac's too. | 16:55 |
| michele_ | I love my TP | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, maybe 4 years ago. | 16:55 |
| alterego | Well, the last time I checked .. 1 year ago :P | 16:56 |
| michele_ | GeneralAntilles: his statement is mostly true | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | At the low end, yeah. | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But definitely not at the top end | 16:56 |
| johnx | I've never seen a macbook (pro or otherwise) run Linux really perfectly | 16:56 |
| alterego | But there's no denying the build quality is superb. | 16:56 |
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| michele_ | I just can't give up the build quality of TPs: the KB, the nipple | 16:56 |
| alterego | Yeah | 16:56 |
| johnx | but thinkwiki.org seems to think Linux will work well on a T61 | 16:56 |
| * alterego likes nipples too. | 16:56 | |
| Veggen | I have an ancient HP laptop. that good build quality too. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's not much point in running Linux on a Mac. | 16:57 |
| alterego | Why? | 16:57 |
| alterego | I don't really like OS X, | 16:57 |
| alterego | And linux supports more hardware .. | 16:57 |
| Veggen | agreed, I wouldn't buy a mac to run Linux on it. | 16:57 |
| simfosho | hey, im working on a python application to my n800 (os2008) and having a slight problem... when I try to run it once it reaches "import gtk" it comes with a weird error msg, looking for the gtk module in some /home/ludolf/......./gtk dir, I dont know why the hell it would look there since I dont know any ludolf.. anyone ran into this problem before | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, and I don't care for Linux. ;) You like what you know. | 16:58 |
| alterego | Sure | 16:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anything from Linux, you can run in OS X. | 16:58 |
| alterego | Sure, with a bit of fiddling. | 16:58 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, but sometimes it's just easier to run it in Linux | 16:58 |
| alterego | I'm not sure I can use any other OS other than debian .. | 16:59 |
| alterego | I just get on very smoothly with it. | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, with VMWare and Coherence and whatnot, you can run just about anything. | 16:59 |
| alterego | When I'm using a debian system, it's like making love with a beautiful lady in silk sheets :) | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 17:00 |
| glass | erhm | 17:00 |
| johnx | alterego, I had a macbook for work a year ago. Nice machine but I just couldn't cope with mac os x window management (and lack of multiple desktops at the time) | 17:00 |
| alterego | Oh come on, surely OS X has multiple desktops :P | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, why not just install one of the half-dozen third party virtual desktop utilities? :P | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's built-in, now. | 17:00 |
| johnx | yeah, I tried them | 17:00 |
| johnx | all were broken in their own special way | 17:01 |
| alterego | Yeah, even vista has workspaces now. | 17:01 |
| glass | i don't like their window system at all | 17:01 |
| simfosho | anyone got experience with python, gtk and os2008 that I can bug for some 5 min | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still don't use Spaces or Exposé. | 17:01 |
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| alterego | I use compiz-fusion. But that's only because I've not got a girlfriend. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Partly because I still haven't broken Mac Classic habits and partly because you don't need virtual desktops when you have 4 displays. ;) | 17:02 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:02 |
| LoCusF | alterego: so you end up sliding off the bed with her since silk is slippery, eh? | 17:03 |
| Spakman | lol @ alterego | 17:03 |
| alterego | LoCusF, anything to make the experience more interesting ;) | 17:03 |
| LoCusF | hehehe | 17:04 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, aaah. now I understand. it was a world of pain being stuck on 1280x800 with no multiple desktops | 17:04 |
| alterego | Falling off the bed, banging heads. That's what makes sex fun :) | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you should've just used Expose, anyway. | 17:04 |
| johnx | eh, I did | 17:04 |
| michele_ | I am back... the only reason to run Linux on a Mac is that I would virtualize it, so I could have both OSs | 17:05 |
| alterego | Linux has better hardware support. | 17:05 |
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| alterego | Then again, Linux has probably got the best hardware support across all operating systems. | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Than OSx86? Yes. . . . | 17:05 |
| johnx | if you're planning to compile for maemo you're better off doing it natively on LInux then wasting power virtualizing it | 17:05 |
| alterego | johnx, not with hardware virtualization. | 17:06 |
| johnx | alterego, point. it's still not free though | 17:06 |
| johnx | free as in, it "costs" RAM | 17:06 |
| alterego | Is if you're running Linux :P | 17:06 |
| alterego | Oh, right. | 17:06 |
| alterego | Sure, how much RAM do you need though? | 17:06 |
| lcuk | 640k is enough for anyone ;) | 17:07 |
| alterego | (says the guy that's just bought another 2G for his workstation) | 17:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Balancing opportunity costs, I'd say the argument against virtualization are pretty weak. :P | 17:07 |
| alterego | Yeah | 17:07 |
| johnx | fair enough...I guess I'm used to underpowered hardware | 17:08 |
| alterego | Most of my work is now in virtualized hosts, _all_ of my maemo development is. | 17:08 |
| michele_ | anyway, it seems I am getting back my G3 iBook from my brother, can't wait to put OS9 again on the little boy :) | 17:08 |
| alterego | It's so much easier to backup and the systems are easily transferable across machines and OS reinstalls. | 17:08 |
| michele_ | It just needs iCab and a music player | 17:08 |
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| michele_ | alterego: in fact, virtualization is the only thing that could make me buy a non-laptop computer again | 17:09 |
| alterego | Meh, get a dedicated server and do it over the interwebz :) | 17:10 |
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| simfosho | anyone that got a nfs server to run on os2008 | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | iCab . . . | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a throwback. | 17:10 |
| johnx | heh...or better yet get someone else who has a dedicated server to give you an account. :D | 17:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles threatens alterego. :P | 17:11 | |
| michele_ | alterego: do you actually use a remote machine for development? | 17:11 |
| johnx | simfosho, I don't see any reason it wouldn't work | 17:11 |
| alterego | michele_, yes. | 17:11 |
| michele_ | alterego: do you ssh on it or what? | 17:11 |
| simfosho | I just need to compile it to it or is it already in a .deb package | 17:12 |
| alterego | michele_, yup, I SSH into it and I use a forwarded port to connect the host to my Xephyr session on the local machine (for maemo development) | 17:12 |
| * michele_ mumbles | 17:12 | |
| alterego | :) | 17:12 |
| johnx | simfosho, I did a quick search on gronmayer.com/it and I don't see a package for nfsd | 17:13 |
| johnx | you might want to try compiling it in mud-builder | 17:13 |
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| simfosho | :( | 17:13 |
| simfosho | thx | 17:14 |
| johnx | you might want to give sshfs a try | 17:14 |
| michele_ | sshfs is painful | 17:14 |
| michele_ | too much lagging | 17:14 |
| johnx | really? in a file manager or a terminal? | 17:15 |
| michele_ | terminal | 17:15 |
| johnx | hmm | 17:15 |
| michele_ | I tried it to edit files with vim | 17:15 |
| michele_ | and found plain ssh to be nicer | 17:15 |
| johnx | hmm | 17:15 |
| michele_ | mind you, on a machine across the ocean | 17:15 |
| michele_ | Italy -> SF | 17:15 |
| johnx | I've never had a problem even on machines quite far away, but it depends on the connection I guess | 17:16 |
| johnx | for local stuff it's an awesome quick-n-dirty remote filesystem | 17:16 |
| michele_ | indeed | 17:16 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I like sshfs | 17:20 |
| alterego | Hmm, sbox2 + maemo-sdk is gonna take 24 minutes to install. | 17:21 |
| alterego | Think I might go for a walk. | 17:21 |
| johnx | what's the weather like there? | 17:21 |
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| alterego | Cold, and muddy. | 17:21 |
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| alterego | But it's a clear sky now. | 17:21 |
| johnx | have a good walk then :) | 17:22 |
| alterego | And it's gonna get dark within the next hour. | 17:22 |
| Nermal | alterego, in the uk ? | 17:22 |
| robtaylor | i want an EEE where the screen size matches the case size and running ubuntu mobile rather than the xandros POS | 17:23 |
| robtaylor | oh /me was several days behind =) | 17:23 |
| alterego | Nermal, yeah | 17:23 |
| johnx | didn't they show an eee with an 8" at CES? | 17:23 |
| johnx | and ubuntu would be fine, but does anyone know how "ubuntu mobile" is progressing? | 17:24 |
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| alterego | johnx, like a snail super-glued to an upside down plank of wood. | 17:25 |
| johnx | alterego, in other words...awesome? | 17:25 |
| alterego | Sure, if we're in some kind of parallel dimension and no one told me about it. | 17:25 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, walkies. | 17:26 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 17:50 |
| johnx | hi | 17:50 |
| nuragico | . | 17:50 |
| nuragico | . | 17:50 |
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| Khertan | a small question, i m trying to registering some mime type for pygtkeditor | 17:51 |
| Khertan | i ve added for a test "text/python" in the .desktop file ... | 17:51 |
| Khertan | but i think it s not enougth for filemanager | 17:52 |
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| Khertan | is there a documentation on how add mime type as file manager can recognize it and launch the right application ? | 17:52 |
| Khertan | i ven't found anything on maemo.org | 17:52 |
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| johnx | Khertan, if you're still looking for an answer: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg06218.html | 18:09 |
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| hugolp | Ive ported an aplication to maemo/hildon. It works fine if I run doing run-standalone.sh myapp, but when I create a item in the menu and try to execute it from there it doesnt run. It says in the terminal hildon-desktop[10773]: GLIB WARNING ** default - We could not read lowmem page stats. | 18:12 |
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| hugolp | Can anyone give me any idea of what going on? Ive been reading the docs at maemo.org/development and following them but cant figure out whats going on | 18:12 |
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| LoCusF | how do I select text from evince? | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | middle-click muahahahaha | 18:16 |
| doc|home | hahaha | 18:16 |
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| LoCusF | lol :) | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | edit -> select text would be a good addition to the maemo port of evince | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | is there a bugtracker? | 18:21 |
| michele_ | yes | 18:21 |
| michele_ | on garage | 18:21 |
| LoCusF | I used synergy to do that :) | 18:21 |
| wnd | LoCusF, did you try vkb/hwr-im copy/paste? | 18:22 |
| LoCusF | well copy/paste between machines works | 18:22 |
| michele_ | mgedmin: how would it work? the menu item would trigger a mode where dragging would select text instead of panning? | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | hm | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | probably simple to implement: if the 'edit -> select text' menu item is checked, treat left-button presses as middle button | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | when you select edit->copy, uncheck the 'edit -> select text' item for convenience | 18:24 |
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| michele_ | the behaviour is already inverted now | 18:24 |
| michele_ | it should just bring it back to the original mapping | 18:24 |
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| michele_ | and me I was going to remove the "select all" menu item because I thought it wouldn't be useful... | 18:26 |
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| mgedmin | disclaimer: I'm not a heavy evince user | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | and I don't think I ever needed to copy & paste from a pdf document | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | ever | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | so don't look at me for ui suggestions | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | instead ask LoCusF | 18:27 |
| LoCusF | I'd just prefer 3 taps :) | 18:27 |
| LoCusF | + drag | 18:27 |
| michele_ | insane | 18:27 |
| michele_ | double taps are awful enough | 18:28 |
| LoCusF | well ok ok, the menu is better idea :) | 18:28 |
| michele_ | LoCusF: do you read evince-devel? | 18:28 |
| LoCusF | michele_: nope | 18:28 |
| LoCusF | michele_: but I could :) | 18:29 |
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| michele_ | I have a patch with a new feature, you might want to try it | 18:30 |
| michele_ | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/evince-devel/2008-January/000003.html | 18:30 |
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| LoCusF | michele_: gotta keep in mind, where do I get the sources to apply that patch to? | 18:34 |
| michele_ | LoCusF: svn | 18:34 |
| michele_ | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/evince/trunk | 18:34 |
| LoCusF | michele_: cool thanks | 18:35 |
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| johnx | setting up a debian buildd is a real pain | 18:38 |
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| johnx | I give up for now | 18:41 |
| johnx | 'night everyone | 18:41 |
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| nick_fn | On my Palm, I used to use iSilo to read web pages 'offline', on the train, etc. and then delete them. Each was a single 'document' complete with several pages and images. Is there a way to do something similar on Maemo? I looked at FBReader today, but the Plucker image support seems broken; the images came out garbled. | 18:52 |
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| alterego | That was a nice walk :) | 18:52 |
| alterego | Damn dark now though .. | 18:53 |
| |R | for the canadians here... it worked with the old or new discount code ? (nokia.ca) | 18:53 |
| alterego | |R, try both :P | 18:53 |
| |R | yeah, but it's so damn slow ;) | 18:53 |
| alterego | For me, the new one was the only that worked. | 18:53 |
| alterego | Have no idea what the original one was in the first acceptance email .. | 18:54 |
| |R | new one won't work :( | 18:54 |
| alterego | :/ | 18:54 |
| czr | hey alterego | 18:54 |
| |R | i chose france originally | 18:54 |
| alterego | Hey czr :) | 18:54 |
| michele_ | nick_fn: you can just save the full html from your web browser, most of them can do that | 18:55 |
| alterego | czr, got my modules to compile and my USB wifi dongle works like a charm. Though the busybox ifconfig is a POS. :) | 18:55 |
| namtastic | yeah, nick_fn, I miss that too. I've found (at least in OS2008) the Save As... -> Complete Web Page works well for the occasional article I want to read later. But there's no one-click thing like iSilo | 18:55 |
| nick_fn | michele_: I'm after something I can do from a shell easily (and crontab)? | 18:55 |
| alterego | namtastic, wget -r ? :) | 18:55 |
| michele_ | nick_fn: wget? curl? | 18:55 |
| namtastic | I had high hopes for Mozilla's Project Joey, but it's online only | 18:55 |
| alterego | Just setup sbox2 maemo SDK. Lets have a play :) | 18:56 |
| nick_fn | michele_: yeah, I guess I could wrap wget and then scp over the directory. Hmm... ok, ta for the idea. | 18:56 |
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| nick_fn | I'd maybe write a Python/GTK GUI to let me easily delete the 'packages' once I've read them | 18:56 |
| czr | alterego, yeah, the ifconfig is really bad in it | 18:57 |
| czr | alterego, I'm thinking of playing with pedago next | 18:57 |
| * alterego googles. | 18:57 | |
| namtastic | i'm not a big shell guy, and it's the desktop to tablet step i'd want to one-click | 18:57 |
| namtastic | yeah yeah, i'm lame :) | 18:57 |
| michele_ | that could be done with rsync | 18:58 |
| alterego | czr, I think I'll write a blog entry about setting up scratchbox 1 and scratchbox to in a Linux KVM environment. | 18:58 |
| czr | alterego, it's not public.. | 18:58 |
| alterego | Complete step by step. | 18:58 |
| michele_ | sounds like a nice simple project for someone :) | 18:58 |
| alterego | czr, are you permitted to tell me what it is then? :) | 18:58 |
| czr | alterego, I am, I'm looking for the page and will give you the url | 18:58 |
| alterego | Nice | 18:58 |
| czr | (it's not referenced from any other pages, so google doesn't find it) | 18:58 |
| namtastic | michele, make that a bkg service that takes a del.icio.us tag feed as input and i'm sold :D | 18:58 |
| czr | it's a pedagogical kernel driver that I use(d) for kernel programming training | 18:59 |
| alterego | Nice. | 18:59 |
| LoCusF | michele_: building it now | 18:59 |
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| czr | alterego, basically a multi-instance system-wide atomic counter service for userspace processes | 18:59 |
| czr | with pause support and other stuff, let me dig for it | 18:59 |
| alterego | Hmm, I think my VM network is a bit buggy. | 19:00 |
| michele_ | namtastic: I hate delicious tag feeds, you get ten thousand times the same link | 19:00 |
| alterego | Having one VM it works fine. But I've just noticed, using multiple VM's that one will work and the other's will hang. | 19:00 |
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| alterego | Then if you do something on a hung one, it'll become active and make the previously active VM's network hang .. Very odd. | 19:00 |
| alterego | Probably something to do with my misuse of bridged networking adapters. | 19:01 |
| czr | alterego, http://koltsoff.com/pedago/ | 19:01 |
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| rm_you|n800 | lol | 19:01 |
| czr | I need to update it anyway for newer kernel releases and implement better mutex mechanism, as well as add hotplug mechanism | 19:01 |
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| czr | alterego, they have the same MAC | 19:01 |
| czr | alterego, or the same IP | 19:01 |
| alterego | czr, of course .. They have the same damn MAC .. | 19:02 |
| * alterego slaps head. | 19:02 | |
| rm_you|n800 | 35 minute long line for tickets to a Tony Blair talk thing :P | 19:02 |
| alterego | My forehead is pretty red now .. From the previous few days. | 19:02 |
| michele_ | damn we really really need a no-fuss decent music player | 19:02 |
| czr | yeah, bridge doesn't like that too much ;-) | 19:02 |
| jott | czr: may the googlebot hit this page now! :) | 19:02 |
| czr | jott, I'm beyond caring at this time :-) | 19:02 |
| czr | I'll update it first and maybe add a link to it from my main page | 19:03 |
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| * jott wonders how many seconds it will take until google notices ;) | 19:03 | |
| czr | quite many | 19:03 |
| alterego | czr, at least it's 2.6.X ;) | 19:03 |
| jott | sometimes i'm amazed how fast the googlebot visits (sure, not in general) | 19:03 |
| czr | alterego, indeed :-) | 19:03 |
| czr | alterego, soon it will be also 2.6.24 | 19:04 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:04 |
| rm_you|n800 | GeneralAntilles: anything going on in the past few days? | 19:04 |
| czr | and probably 21, since I'll play on the device with it | 19:04 |
| czr | it worked with bora/os2007 quite nicely | 19:04 |
| namtastic | michele, it's more about a personal tag, i already have a "readlater" which i never get around to -- yeah, the public ones are a mess | 19:04 |
| rm_you|n800 | i haven't been on because my computer here is kinda wonky | 19:04 |
| alterego | That's pretty neat czr | 19:04 |
| czr | alterego, it's fairly simple, yet contains multiple locking/concurrency problems | 19:05 |
| alterego | Yah | 19:05 |
| czr | and is easy to extend when doing exersises (adding new functionality, fixing the concurrency issue, etc) | 19:05 |
| czr | alterego, how do you like the syntax high-light btw? hover your mouse over a green-dotted underlined text (and click on it afterwards) | 19:06 |
| czr | (the hover will work on function names only, not macros nor other stuff) | 19:06 |
| alterego | czr, Oh, that's neat. What are you using? | 19:06 |
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| namtastic | bye | 19:07 |
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| czr | alterego, synhilite. my own toolset | 19:07 |
| rm_you|n800 | czr: what is this you're talking about? | 19:07 |
| czr | rm_you|n800, what? | 19:07 |
| czr | I'm talking about a lot of things, be more specific? :-) | 19:07 |
| alterego | czr, funky, is it dynamic? Or did you generate a static page? | 19:07 |
| czr | alterego, fully static. all colors/styles are in external CSS (as they should be). | 19:08 |
| rm_you|n800 | lol... that | 19:08 |
| alterego | Nice. | 19:08 |
| rm_you|n800 | all colors/styles are in external CSS (as they should be). | 19:08 |
| czr | why lol? | 19:08 |
| czr | alterego, I was working on automatic man-page linking during the summer for the toolchain | 19:09 |
| alterego | Awesome. | 19:09 |
| czr | so that when you use anything from section 2 or 3, it would get the prototypes from the manual pages and link to their pretty xhtml versions directly | 19:09 |
| alterego | I was planning on doing something just like that in Ruby/for Ruby and C | 19:09 |
| rm_you|n800 | just curious... and bored... and trying to comprehend the conversation :P | 19:09 |
| czr | rm_you|n800, ah. lol indeed then ;-) | 19:09 |
| czr | alterego, yeah, parsing man-pages is evil. | 19:09 |
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| rm_you|n800 | ah well | 19:10 |
| alterego | czr, heard the news about Sun Microsystems buying MySQL for 3 million? | 19:10 |
| alterego | Sorry, 3 billion .. | 19:10 |
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| * Lahiru wondering about PenguinBait :) | 19:11 | |
| czr | yeah. friend just started working there two days ago | 19:11 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 19:11 |
| * czr curses at all of the typos and bad things in pedago | 19:11 | |
| alterego | Heh | 19:11 |
| alterego | It's neater and more readable/documented than 90% of the Linux kernel .. I wouldn't complain :P | 19:12 |
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| Zetx | rm_you|n800: dammit rm, you've made me reconsider the n800 =P | 19:12 |
| rm_you|n800 | i guess i'll just play lxdoom then :/ | 19:12 |
| czr | alterego, it's for training use :-) | 19:12 |
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| rm_you|n800 | Zetx: rofl | 19:12 |
| rm_you|n800 | why are you here | 19:12 |
| rm_you|n800 | :P | 19:13 |
| czr | although I often use my own training code to refresh stuff that I haven't used for a long time | 19:13 |
| Zetx | I'm chilling | 19:13 |
| rm_you|n800 | lol | 19:13 |
| Zetx | I asked about bluetooth headsets yesterday or thereabouts :P | 19:13 |
| rm_you|n800 | heh | 19:13 |
| alterego | czr, how's your day been anyhow? Feeling better in regards to your man flu? | 19:13 |
| alterego | I've had a nice day today. | 19:13 |
| rm_you|n800 | get redirected to johnx/my thread? | 19:13 |
| Zetx | Nah, I read it though. But it was more on mplayer, I was wondering about call quality and such | 19:14 |
| czr | alterego, yeah, still have semirunning nose, but been ok. only slept 1.5 hours though ;-) | 19:14 |
| alterego | Eesh. | 19:14 |
| czr | alterego, was doing networking/design stuff most of the day anyway | 19:14 |
| alterego | Which # nap was that ;) | 19:14 |
| czr | it wasn't a nap. it was my sleep ;-) | 19:14 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:14 |
| rm_you|n800 | Zetx: it's weird talking to you on another irc server :P | 19:14 |
| Zetx | lol | 19:14 |
| alterego | I only got 4 hours last night. But I feel great. Not tired at all. | 19:14 |
| rm_you|n800 | especially just stumbling into you here :P | 19:15 |
| Zetx | You haven't been on Archive in awhile. I wasn't really expecting you in here... but I should've | 19:15 |
| alterego | Went for a walk for 1 1/2 hours, played with my nephew for an hour. Setup my scratchbox VM and got ruby-maemo and everything back in there. | 19:15 |
| alterego | It's been a good day. | 19:15 |
| Lahiru | Hi, If I could compile a native C++ program using scratch box for OS2008.. will it run on N800? | 19:15 |
| alterego | Now all I need is some food :D | 19:15 |
| czr | Lahiru, assuming N800 is running OS2008. yes. | 19:16 |
| Lahiru | I mean , I'm confused with the architecture,,, x86 and maemo | 19:16 |
| Lahiru | czr: so even a QT program? | 19:16 |
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| czr | Lahiru, assuming you install qt on the device, yes. | 19:17 |
| alterego | Lahiru, the x86 target is for testing that your apps work. You use the armel target to cross-compile your programs for the tablets. | 19:17 |
| rm_you|n800 | Anyone have any new ideas on fitting a HildonControlbar into something resembling a GtkMenu?? :/ | 19:17 |
| czr | alterego, sounds like fun. I'll try to sleep more tonight. still suffering from jetlag, and somehow it's just getting worse and worse ;-) | 19:17 |
| alterego | Lahiru, you should really run through the tutorial. It's not long and it'll answer a lot of these question. The training material is awesome too. | 19:17 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:17 |
| rm_you|n800 | worth a shot... | 19:18 |
| czr | "awesome training material" whee | 19:18 |
| alterego | :) | 19:18 |
| rm_you|n800 | Zetx: off to play doom on my n800 :P | 19:18 |
| alterego | I wonder, is 20G enough for scratchbox development? | 19:18 |
| rm_you|n800 | ttyl | 19:18 |
| alterego | I'd imagine it is .. | 19:18 |
| czr | alterego, should be | 19:18 |
| Zetx | laters, rm | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | plenty | 19:18 |
| Lahiru | alterego: would you mind me sending the link please.. Thanks a lot! | 19:19 |
| czr | alterego, unless you plan to rebuild a lot of stuff, but for most stuff even 10G would be plenty | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | scratchbox is huge, but only ~ 2 gigabyte-huge | 19:19 |
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| czr | Lahiru, http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/ (training material for Chinook [OS2008 development environment]) | 19:19 |
| alterego | Lahiru, maemo4 tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html | 19:19 |
| alterego | What a team. | 19:20 |
| czr | was just looking for that one :-) thanks ;-) | 19:20 |
| michele_ | jusfuckgingoogleit.com | 19:20 |
| michele_ | justfuckgingoogleit.com | 19:20 |
| alterego | 3rd time lucky? | 19:20 |
| michele_ | justfuckginggoogleit.com | 19:20 |
| michele_ | there! | 19:20 |
| michele_ | :D | 19:20 |
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| alterego | What's that extra 'g' mean? | 19:20 |
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| michele_ | crap | 19:20 |
| Lahiru | alterego: czr Thanks a lot! | 19:20 |
| sp3000 | do what to gin now? | 19:20 |
| michele_ | I give up | 19:20 |
| alterego | Lahiru, no problem. | 19:20 |
| * czr thinks michele_ just likes the character g | 19:21 | |
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| mgedmin | must be a gnome hacker :) | 19:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:21 |
| alterego | Ah, that's what I was going to do. | 19:21 |
| * alterego starts compiling gnome for his tablet. | 19:21 | |
| czr | Lahiru, no problem. spend some time with them and if you still run across problems, don't be afraid to ask here. there's also a mailing list (maemo-developers) which you might want to subscribe if you plan to do development for longer times | 19:21 |
| alterego | I'm gonna throw this at penguinbait :P | 19:21 |
| czr | mgedmin, heh | 19:21 |
| czr | hmm. my konqueror just crashed, boohoo | 19:22 |
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| michele_ | ahah alterego | 19:22 |
| michele_ | czr: the problem is my keyboard has an excess of Gs | 19:23 |
| alterego | I'm pretty serious though. I've got a spare tablet, I think installing gnome on it would be quite interesting. | 19:23 |
| * czr sends michele_'s keyboard to space | 19:23 | |
| Lahiru | czr: alterego I would love to do some hacks on maemo.. like compiling firefox etc.. hehe and even gnome ;) | 19:23 |
| Lahiru | I should read this tutorial.. thanks again | 19:23 |
| czr | Lahiru, you'll want to learn to walk first, before running :-) | 19:23 |
| alterego | Lahiru, firefox is pretty pointless, as microb uses the Gecko rendering engine already. | 19:23 |
| czr | well, you can't have Gnome without Firefox, right? | 19:24 |
| alterego | Heh, no. Galeon :P | 19:24 |
| czr | no G without F. rule of universe #52. | 19:24 |
| alterego | Nautilus :) | 19:24 |
| michele_ | epiphany | 19:24 |
| alterego | Yeah, that too. | 19:24 |
| * alterego is old school. | 19:24 | |
| * czr decides not to say "lynx" | 19:24 | |
| mgedmin | links is better anyway | 19:24 |
| * czr agrees | 19:24 | |
| alterego | elinks ftw! :P | 19:25 |
| * michele_ waits for somebody to say emacs | 19:25 | |
| * mgedmin usually can't tell which of the links-alikes he's using | 19:25 | |
| alterego | I think I'll setup sbox-sdk.rubyx.co.uk this weekend. | 19:25 |
| czr | hmm. there was a funny version of mozilla some time way back (2000-2001) which I used to use. used gecko as well | 19:25 |
| michele_ | czr: pornzilla? | 19:25 |
| czr | err. no. :-) | 19:25 |
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| rm_you|n800 | michele_: lol | 19:26 |
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| czr | I can't remember the name now. I did some mods for it for our project at work | 19:26 |
| czr | it was pretty decent for our use | 19:26 |
| jott | phoenix was the only "firefox" i really used ;) | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | czr: seamonkey? | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | netscape 6? | 19:27 |
| czr | neh. not moz.org ones nor ns | 19:27 |
| sp3000 | beonex! | 19:27 |
| czr | doesn't matter now | 19:27 |
| sp3000 | but that was later I think | 19:27 |
| czr | no :-) | 19:27 |
| * czr shrugs | 19:27 | |
| alterego | czr, wanna send me your N00 tablet ? | 19:28 |
| czr | sure. if you pay a 25% premium for the amount I have to pay for losing it ;-) | 19:28 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:28 |
| alterego | How many of those were actually made do you know? | 19:28 |
| * czr alterego that'd be about 27.5kE ;-) | 19:28 | |
| czr | bleh | 19:28 |
| * czr waves jedi hands.. that was a privage message and you didn't see it.. | 19:29 | |
| czr | alterego, I have no idea | 19:29 |
| sp3000 | see what? | 19:29 |
| * sp3000 saw nothing. | 19:29 | |
| czr | sp3000, flying cows! | 19:29 |
| czr | alterego is harboring them. | 19:29 |
| sp3000 | ah. makes sense | 19:29 |
| alterego | I remember when my dad used to work for Acorn, he got this prototype tablet PC running Risc OS 3.7 it was really neat. He just wanted it to piss around with his GPS and the GPS software he wrote though. Had it for a couple of days. | 19:30 |
| czr | I should probably take the N00 back at some point | 19:30 |
| alterego | czr, wait until they forget. Then send it to me :) | 19:30 |
| czr | I can't. | 19:30 |
| czr | I signed in blood (my own and everyone in the room) | 19:31 |
| michele_ | N00? is that a prototype? | 19:31 |
| alterego | I probably couldn't get waranty on it if I broke something though .. | 19:31 |
| czr | alterego, probably not :-) | 19:31 |
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| czr | michele_, it's the text that reads on the N810 pre-release devices | 19:31 |
| czr | at least some of them. | 19:31 |
| czr | or at least on the one that I have | 19:31 |
| * czr shrugs | 19:31 | |
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| alterego | I think yours was probably the first revision. Before the mass production and product expo. | 19:32 |
| czr | I didn't ask/wasn't really interested :-) | 19:33 |
| alterego | Cause you probably had that around the time that Nokia appled for the FCC. | 19:33 |
| czr | I think it's FCC actually, but can't be bothered to take out the battery now | 19:34 |
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| sp3000 | appled eh :) | 19:34 |
| czr | hah | 19:34 |
| czr | alterego, I did have a pre-fcc 770 at some point though. | 19:34 |
| * sp3000 blames the residual jobs rays | 19:34 | |
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| alterego | Neat | 19:34 |
| czr | apple will have to buy oracle next. | 19:34 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:34 |
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| czr | otherwise they'll be left out of the game.. and jobs wants to play too! I'm sure. | 19:35 |
| alterego | Then rename Oracle to iDB | 19:35 |
| alterego | Or iBase | 19:35 |
| czr | i0wned | 19:35 |
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| maddler | iDropDB | 19:35 |
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| alterego | iBase touch | 19:36 |
| czr | hah, reminds me of the 'bobby tables' strip in xkcd | 19:36 |
| czr | http://xkcd.com/327/ | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | heheh | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | xkcd rules | 19:36 |
| czr | indeed. | 19:36 |
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| czr | http://xkcd.com/356/ (last spam, sry ;-) | 19:43 |
| alterego | Hahah | 19:45 |
| michele_ | 'nite folks | 19:45 |
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| czr | nite | 19:45 |
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| alterego | I think this will be my first blog post. | 19:49 |
| alterego | Hopefully once I've posted this Quim will add me to the maemo planet. | 19:50 |
| alterego | Then I can start pimping ruby-maemo like satan's little helpers. | 19:50 |
| czr | ah, I always wondered who pimps the helpers | 19:52 |
| * czr is eduficated now | 19:52 | |
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| maddler | doh! just remembered I had to create lardman blog! | 19:52 |
| alterego | Not the sort of thing you want to hear from a user called 'atombomb': "[atombomb] oh shit i forgot my root password" | 19:53 |
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| Blafasel | becksbier.. Ugh | 19:53 |
| czr | alterego, heh | 19:54 |
| * alterego likes becks .. | 19:54 | |
| Blafasel | Bah | 19:54 |
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| Blafasel | Btw: It's "Beck's" | 19:54 |
| Blafasel | Against all rules in the german language. | 19:54 |
| alterego | bex's? | 19:54 |
| alterego | It's german?! | 19:55 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 19:55 | |
| Blafasel | hrhr | 19:55 |
| Blafasel | Talking about http://www.becks.de/ here as well? | 19:55 |
| Blafasel | The Beck's beer is german, yes. | 19:55 |
| Blafasel | Unfortunately ;) | 19:56 |
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| Lahiru | anyone compiled QT for maemo pls? :) | 20:16 |
| pierlux | can the sound output be increased? even at max, I can't hear the sound in the headphones while in the subway... | 20:20 |
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| alterego | pierlux, when you plug the head phones in, the master volume gets lowered. Go back to the home screen and max that out again. | 20:21 |
| alterego | It's an annoying AVLS system Nokia obviously thought was useful, alternatively, buy some better headphones ;) | 20:21 |
| pierlux | I did put it to max again, and it is still not load enough | 20:22 |
| pierlux | we can plug normal headphones? even if they are missing the mike pin? | 20:22 |
| alterego | Of course. | 20:22 |
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| pierlux | noted | 20:22 |
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| alterego | Though I must warn you, listening to prolonged load audio may damage your hearing. It has an accumulative effect. So don't do it too much, but I do sympathise with your problem as I suffer it occasionally on buses, etc. :) | 20:23 |
| * alterego appends disclaimer ;) | 20:23 | |
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| czr | I use headphones which isolate the environment | 20:37 |
| czr | that way you don't need to listen to too loud music | 20:37 |
| lcuk | i use headphones to beat up people who have their ipods too loud | 20:37 |
| lcuk | actually, just reading back - n810 headphones dont work properly unless i press the button on them | 20:38 |
| czr | I like the koss earbuds ( http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/p?openform&pc^eb ) | 20:38 |
| czr | they could be higher quality (I wear and tear them a lot, so tend to break any headphones within 1.5 years normally anyway) | 20:39 |
| czr | (the sparkplug is what I've had for couple of years now) | 20:39 |
| lcuk | the last time i actually had and used headphones was a cassette walkman! | 20:39 |
| lcuk | i was miffed when it chewed up atape last week ;) | 20:40 |
| * czr remembers all of his walkmans that he destroyed in his youth | 20:41 | |
| czr | digitized all my tapes some years back | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | i never bothered to get anything else once i got a car | 20:41 |
| * lcuk stopped having to walk anywhere | 20:42 | |
| czr | as long as I live in finland, I won't be getting a car | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | why not? | 20:42 |
| czr | I live very close to helsinki city center and the public transport around here is very good | 20:43 |
| czr | and owning cars in finland is pretty expensive anyway | 20:43 |
| lcuk | i know that one | 20:43 |
| lcuk | if i worked in city centre i would, but i would need to get into the city and then back out again, theres no direct transport | 20:43 |
| czr | takes me about 15-20 minutes to get to my most frequently frequented clients' offices with the underground. during rush hours, it would take about 30 minutes with a car (plus all the hassle with finding a parking space, etc) | 20:44 |
| * czr nods | 20:44 | |
| lcuk | yer, outside work we have a metro which gets us into the city centre in 10-15mins and any meetings there we use it | 20:45 |
| lcuk | but it takes me 15 mins in car to work, on public transport its over an hour | 20:45 |
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| * lcuk is pondering getting a bike | 20:45 | |
| * czr nods | 20:45 | |
| lcuk | its only 7 miles so its well within my limits | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i just donjt like to be unclean all day after a sweaty ride | 20:46 |
| lcuk | damn boss wont let me telecommute either | 20:47 |
| lcuk | i code better in the evenings than first thing but he insists i should be there bright and early | 20:47 |
| doc|home | lcuk: get a bike, then, for the first hour of work rub yourself against him. One way or the other he'll let you work from home. | 20:47 |
| lcuk | lol - knowing him he would ratherl setup a shower than let me go home | 20:48 |
| doc|home | heh | 20:48 |
| czr | lcuk, depends on what kind of work you do really. I prefer to work at home when working alone on something, and with other people when working on some larger stuff (faster and more immediate communication). | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | i have no objection whatsoever to being there for most days - its just sometimes better to say "right im coding this week, ill see you next week with it finished | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | besides customers get in the way if im at work | 20:50 |
| czr | true. | 20:50 |
| pupnik | three cheers for new mplayer with on-screen display | 20:50 |
| czr | whee | 20:51 |
| lcuk | a 2 minute conversation with a customer can divert my mind for upto a couple of hours | 20:51 |
| lcuk | ooooh pup, is it in the repo | 20:51 |
| pupnik | it's whatever i just downloaded - hit the thingmabob key in playback | 20:51 |
| pupnik | and you get the onscreen menu | 20:51 |
| lcuk | lol will do - gotta dash dinner ready | 20:51 |
| pupnik | does n810 use pixel doubling? | 20:53 |
| pupnik | cause somehow the normal on-top menus display fine | 20:53 |
| pupnik | it's the 'menu' key below the dpad | 20:53 |
| pupnik | if mplayer is using xsp doubling, then it's amazing... somehow the on-top displays no longer break doubling | 20:54 |
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| alterego | pupnik, the green OSD? | 21:16 |
| lcuk2 | hello again, got a power question. has anyone found a nicer way to handle - i am finished, please turn off backlight, lock screen and keys, disconnect net. without turning it fully off | 21:17 |
| lcuk2 | i just wanna come back, unlock adn carry on | 21:17 |
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| lcuk2 | the battry is flat again and it was just left on nightstand locked overnight | 21:18 |
| doc|work | lcuk2: mine lasts much longer than that | 21:18 |
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| lcuk2 | it depends on nettimeout and screentimeout | 21:18 |
| lcuk2 | net timeout is at an hour for mine so scp works | 21:19 |
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| pupnik | green? | 21:19 |
| pupnik | lcuk2: i dunno... i let the screen timeout set it to sleep - no 'instant sleep' known to me | 21:20 |
| pupnik | bp-4l batteries not very cheap, i find | 21:20 |
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| lcuk2 | if you slide the lock switch it should goto sleep | 21:21 |
| pupnik | hail tak | 21:21 |
| Tak | hile | 21:21 |
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| Screaming | Why, whenever I innocently type something like apt-get xyz, do I always feel I have just engaged some feral guide who is taking me into the most lethal depths of the Casbah in Marrocco? (my apologies to any Marroccans listening) | 21:22 |
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| Tak | apt-get rock thecasbah | 21:23 |
| lcuk2 | apt-get beer | 21:23 |
| Screaming | virtual beer any one? | 21:24 |
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| * Tak virtual beer snob | 21:25 | |
| Screaming | lcuk2: tried turningbitboffline overnight? | 21:25 |
| Screaming | s/bit/ it / | 21:25 |
| infobot | Screaming meant: lcuk2: tried turning it boffline overnight? | 21:25 |
| Tak | Screaming meant: lcuk2: tried turning it boffline overnight? | 21:25 |
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| Screaming | grr -b | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | boffline? | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | turning\bit\boffline, clearly he meant word breaks :) | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | what's with extra letters today? | 21:26 |
| lcuk2 | lol i dont like turning it fully off - it takes too long to comed back, its a loud bootup sound and it blinds me | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | michele_ had exta g's, you have extra b's | 21:26 |
| Tak | bdunnog | 21:27 |
| lcuk2 | everyone with 810s | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | lcuk2: the obvious solution is to leave it plugged into the charger overnight | 21:27 |
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| lcuk2 | i do but last night i forgot and it was dead when i came back to it, surely i can say right, i am finished for now | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | hm | 21:28 |
| pupnik | i find it a little depressing that i'm getting used to the tablets | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | shouldn't die overnight | 21:28 |
| lcuk2 | i dont want to waste electric tho | 21:28 |
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| lcuk2 | i have been able to hibernate every device i had in past | 21:29 |
| Screaming | lcuk2 on switch->offline mode WFM | 21:29 |
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| alterego | Yeah, mine's lasted for days idle. | 21:30 |
| lcuk2 | it was offline | 21:30 |
| lcuk2 | net connect asks firrst | 21:30 |
| alterego | Even connected to wireless and bluetooth active. | 21:30 |
| lcuk2 | no bt | 21:30 |
| lcuk2 | no usb | 21:30 |
| lcuk2 | light on minimum brightness | 21:30 |
| lcuk2 | set off after 2 mins | 21:31 |
| lcuk2 | ponder... | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | lcuk2: buggy 3rd party applets? | 21:31 |
| lcuk2 | does fbreader keep screen on - i saw a buf report about it wanted | 21:31 |
| lcuk2 | ill test tonight | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | no, it doesn't | 21:32 |
| lcuk2 | good | 21:32 |
| lcuk2 | ill watch it overnight and report back | 21:32 |
| lcuk2 | see whats running | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | it has autosaves every 30 seconds, but I'm pretty sure it's smart enough and doesn't do that if you don't actually page through the text | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | hm, could be worth checking | 21:33 |
| lcuk2 | it did this on day 1 but that was net related - never disconnected | 21:33 |
| lcuk2 | thanks folks | 21:35 |
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| Lahiru | Hi, have anyone compiled QT for maemo? | 21:38 |
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| mgedmin | I've seen screenshots of KDE on maemo, so I assume yes | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | but | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | but I don't know who | 21:39 |
| Sho_ | Anyone else having a perpetual "map" item in their Application Manager's updates screen that has the same version as the one already installed and errors out on installation? | 21:40 |
| mardi___ | yes | 21:40 |
| Sho_ | Did anyone do the work to fix that one yet? :-) | 21:41 |
| lcuk | repo duplication problem? | 21:41 |
| sp3000 | there's https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2622 | 21:41 |
| lcuk | 2 repos offering same software but one linked to package not avail? | 21:41 |
| Sho_ | sp3000: ah, thanks | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: no | 21:41 |
| lcuk | ahhh well | 21:41 |
| lcuk | im tryin | 21:41 |
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| mgedmin | apt-cache policy map shows that it is only available from one repo (tableteer) | 21:42 |
| sp3000 | wtf, applications::help | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | unless maybe app installer thinks "locally installed and no longer available from anywhere" is also a repository | 21:42 |
| * jsmith wanders away... | 21:42 | |
| mgedmin | I upgraded it with sudo apt-get install map | 21:42 |
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| mgedmin | it didn't pull in any dependencies, just that one package | 21:42 |
| * sp3000 wonders if repositories would be a better component | 21:42 | |
| * mgedmin reads bug | 21:43 | |
| mgedmin | yes, maybe it's the missing signature that's the problem | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 21:43 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, I get OK/Cancel | 21:45 |
| pupnik | star trek - the cage was really good | 21:46 |
| * sp3000 lives dangerously and goes with the OK like a good hapless user should | 21:46 | |
| * lcuk thinks sp3000 has vista installed at home :P | 21:46 | |
| sp3000 | hardly :) | 21:47 |
| sp3000 | but I've heard rumors it has some extra user training to help learn to ignore security related dialogs even faster than before, or something | 21:48 |
| * sp3000 hasn't had the pleasure | 21:48 | |
| lcuk | whatever it has it doesnt work - everything is slower/shitter, we have a single machine with it on at work and all i hear from that office is annoyance at the pile of steaming poo | 21:49 |
| czr | that's the overall sentiment we have as well | 21:49 |
| lcuk | infact i hear the same kind of grumblings with the other guy working on Visual Studio 2005. makes sense really MS really have screwed up royally | 21:50 |
| czr | and we have a bunch of vistas | 21:50 |
| czr | I guess home users buying consumer laptops are the worst hit with preinstalled vistas | 21:50 |
| lcuk | cant you upgrade vista to the new microsoft operating system. i've heard rave reviews about this "XP" thing | 21:51 |
| czr | unfortunately xp is not available anymore on consumer laptops | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | nah, I tried it, but it isn't as good as ubuntu | 21:51 |
| lcuk | i thought it was available as a relicense thing | 21:51 |
| czr | lcuk, afaik no, but I haven't really checked, I don't use windows much (only server/ad admin stuff) | 21:52 |
| lcuk | ahhh its on VLK only | 21:52 |
| lcuk | consumer versions of all MS programs suck royally (even more than they used to) | 21:53 |
| * lcuk was happy with software released between 200 and 2003 | 21:54 | |
| alterego | Computers should come with OS. | 21:54 |
| lcuk | 2000^ | 21:54 |
| czr | lcuk, a lot of software fits there ;-) | 21:54 |
| alterego | It should be an extra. | 21:54 |
| alterego | It's almost criminal really. | 21:54 |
| czr | alterego, shouldn't you mean? | 21:55 |
| alterego | I thought the EU was against monopolies. | 21:55 |
| lcuk | actually you are right cz, too much | 21:55 |
| * lcuk limits his choices | 21:55 | |
| alterego | czr, yes. That's what I meant ;) | 21:55 |
| czr | alterego, you got me wondering there for a while. windows-fanboy in hiding ;-) | 21:55 |
| alterego | After the European court pissing on microsoft about Media player and internet explorer. You'd think they'd open the way for virgin laptops. | 21:56 |
| alterego | In a way it kind of shows how hipocritical they are :P | 21:56 |
| lcuk | imagine a new user having to install OS | 21:56 |
| lcuk | i can understand the desire to have a ready to run machine | 21:56 |
| lcuk | but the devil is in the details | 21:57 |
| alterego | Sure, that's not the point. | 21:57 |
| alterego | The point is it should be an extra. | 21:57 |
| alterego | The user doesn't have to know how to install the OS. | 21:57 |
| czr | forcing crap on users is evil, I think we all agree about that. | 21:57 |
| lcuk | 100% | 21:57 |
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| alterego | They just have to stick the windows restore CD in the drive. | 21:57 |
| lcuk | not all the time they dont - some systems dont even have a restore disk... | 21:57 |
| alterego | I'm sure they can cope with a couple of wizard style questions like: Your name, A password. | 21:58 |
| alterego | lcuk, I'm just merely giving a resolution :P | 21:58 |
| lcuk | your SSID, bank account, mothers maiden name | 21:58 |
| czr | "your credit card number" | 21:58 |
| czr | lcuk, beat me to it :-) | 21:58 |
| lcuk | ;) | 21:58 |
| alterego | Some computers don't come with an OS :P | 21:58 |
| lcuk | good job im on my big pooter now | 21:58 |
| czr | yeah, I was talking about consumer laptops before that come with vista.. | 21:58 |
| alterego | Yeah | 21:58 |
| lcuk | yer - mainly the ones that claim to have windows on | 21:58 |
| czr | it's not an OS, it's just pure POS. | 21:59 |
| alterego | Vista really is a bit broken right now. Reminds me of how bad XP was when that got released. | 21:59 |
| alterego | Took over a year. ~2 for it to actually become stable. | 21:59 |
| alterego | And even then/now ... | 21:59 |
| lcuk | i dont think so - xp wasnt broken it just had more eye candy | 21:59 |
| czr | the major grunmble I have with vista is it's GUI | 21:59 |
| czr | and the ways that they've modified how everything works | 21:59 |
| czr | stuff that I need is hidden much deeper now. | 21:59 |
| lcuk | vista isnt eye candy, its the major changes | 21:59 |
| alterego | You can get Vista to look like standard explorer. | 21:59 |
| czr | and stuff that I never need fills up all the GUI | 22:00 |
| lcuk | but it doesnt feel like it | 22:00 |
| alterego | Yeah, can't argue with that :) | 22:00 |
| czr | alterego, it goes much further than just explorer. | 22:00 |
| czr | but anyhow, enough bitching (for me), need to get some food.. later all :-) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | cya czr :) | 22:00 |
| alterego | czr, I had the same issue from 2k -> XP. | 22:00 |
| czr | alterego, oh, I feel your pain | 22:00 |
| alterego | They just covered everything up with big friendly icons. | 22:00 |
| lcuk | but under the hood, zp was 2k essentially | 22:01 |
| czr | switching to "windows classic" theme is still the first thing I do with XP | 22:01 |
| lcuk | xp | 22:01 |
| alterego | XP/2K are NT | 22:01 |
| alterego | Essentially :P | 22:01 |
| lcuk | with vista there is so much different you cant just cover it over | 22:01 |
| czr | you can | 22:01 |
| czr | you use tin-foil | 22:01 |
| lcuk | yer and nt4 was miles better than 9x | 22:01 |
| lcuk | plenty of it | 22:01 |
| alterego | czr, throw it out the window ;) | 22:01 |
| alterego | Oh, crap. | 22:01 |
| czr | only after covering it with tin-foil :-) | 22:01 |
| czr | yeah, /me be off -> :-) | 22:01 |
| alterego | I was gonna look into 3D hardware acceleration in my VM's .. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | look into it on the 2420 first ;) | 22:02 |
| Veggen | <---is in denial about Windows. "I don't know any Windows" has been my answer to any Windows-related things at work (and private) for ages. It makes life easier. | 22:02 |
| Veggen | much easier. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | veggen i wish i could | 22:02 |
| Veggen | it's easier than you think. | 22:02 |
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| * lcuk is feeling his way slowly around linux now properly for first time | 22:03 | |
| czr | "I don't know much about windows, and I wish to learn less" | 22:03 |
| Veggen | but you'll have to learn something else that's needed, and preferably well. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | not just "ive got a live cd and it looks good" | 22:03 |
| alterego | I'm just happy I don't _have_ to use it. And that when I do have to use it, whilst fixing others' machines. I don't mind because it's never for more than a couple of hours at the most. | 22:03 |
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| czr | alterego, it takes more than two hours to reinstall the machine (with 10*reboots because of security fixes) | 22:03 |
| * czr hides & runs | 22:04 | |
| lcuk | the problem is, a windows system can be clean reliable fast and smooth - its just too damned easy to mess it up | 22:04 |
| alterego | Well, that would be the case. But I have a slipstream disk that I keep pretty up-to-date. | 22:04 |
| czr | I prefer images nowadays | 22:04 |
| Tama^2 | Hola | 22:04 |
| czr | although you need fast storage and a lot of it for them to be useful | 22:05 |
| czr | (or some more intelligent image format) | 22:05 |
| * lcuk checks when he installed this windows system | 22:05 | |
| Veggen | I know a guy whose idea of windows recovery was to check out the last known good version of his windows file system from cvs ;) | 22:05 |
| alterego | Yeah, I like my RAID 0 ;) | 22:05 |
| alterego | And qemu/kvm images just take what they need when they need it. | 22:05 |
| Veggen | (i.e. he had "windows recovery" long before Microsoft invented it, but by mounting it in Linux and recover it from cvs ;) | 22:06 |
| alterego | Veggen, that's pretty cool :) | 22:06 |
| alterego | Probably better than Windows restore too! :D | 22:06 |
| t_s_o | i got windows recovery right here, by storing everything important (install files for apps included) on a separate drive. so that i can at any moment nuke the windows drive and reinstall... | 22:07 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, mail on the ipod touch. N800 anyone? | 22:07 |
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| alterego | t_s_o, I think the point is, the install process is so damn tedious nuking your drive once a week becomes a _real_ pain in the ass. | 22:08 |
| lcuk | installed january 2006, and that was only because i got a new motherboard/drive etc and wanted a clean out | 22:08 |
| t_s_o | alterego: ones a week?! | 22:08 |
| alterego | Sorry, I don't use windows. I don't know it's life expectancy right now :P | 22:09 |
| lcuk | in the hands of a novice xp might last 10 days to a fortnight | 22:09 |
| Tama^2 | Khertan: I have downloaded the new version of your python bindings and they work for me | 22:10 |
| lcuk | anyway - im gonna play with some python tonight | 22:11 |
| t_s_o | alterego: well i only boot it for a spot of gaming ever so often so... | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | does Steam/orange box work with transgaming? | 22:11 |
| t_s_o | hmm, just looked at the N810 specs on nseries.com. and i see it lists a 256MB flash alongside the 128MB of ram, is that some kind of swap solution? | 22:12 |
| LinuxCode | 128MB ram | 22:12 |
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| LinuxCode | yes | 22:12 |
| LinuxCode | it has 2GB internal SDHC card | 22:12 |
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| t_s_o | non-replaceable? | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | yer - soldered on | 22:14 |
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| * lcuk supposes a determined person could change it | 22:14 | |
| LinuxCode | I think thats the only grudge I have for it | 22:14 |
| LinuxCode | the N800 was better like that | 22:14 |
| LinuxCode | but the case makes up for that | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | they couldnt have done gps maps without something fixed and onboard | 22:15 |
| lcuk | and dependable | 22:15 |
| LinuxCode | also you dont want to change the sd card often | 22:15 |
| LinuxCode | the opening is flimsy | 22:15 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 22:15 |
| LinuxCode | I will buy a 8GB card and never touch it | 22:15 |
| * pH5 wishes they had used dual microsd slots instead of minisd + emmc | 22:15 | |
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| LinuxCode | errm | 22:16 |
| * lcuk will agree when he runs out of space | 22:16 | |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, haha | 22:16 |
| LinuxCode | I want to take some books with me | 22:16 |
| lcuk | its minisdhc though so should follow the available capacities | 22:16 |
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| qnr-lt | are there instructions for booting from the MMC card for an n800 running OS2008? The procedure I used for n800/2007 doesn't seem to be working | 22:17 |
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| qnr-lt | to clarify, for setting it up, not for the actual booting | 22:19 |
| lcuk | dont know qnr, just getting into the first os without worrying about another | 22:20 |
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| qnr-lt | ok, thanks lcuk | 22:20 |
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| * qnr-lt was spoiled by having the system on a 4Gb card, wants it back :) | 22:21 | |
| lcuk | have you tried ITT forums? | 22:21 |
| * lcuk starts you off | 22:21 | |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13443 | 22:21 |
| qnr-lt | thanks, no, at the moment, I've only been looking at the wikis | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | whats the difference between classes of mini sd cards (class 2 vs class 6) ??? | 22:24 |
| dhd | qnr-lt: what's the actual problem you're having, my N800 is booting from MMC without any problems | 22:24 |
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| dhd | see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 22:26 |
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| qnr-lt | dhd, tbh, I haven't repartitioned or reformatted... the card is already partitioned. just running initfs_flasher, there is nothing in there for the N800 & OS2008 - and it fails with a number of errors, for example: "Cannot find initfs.bootmenu.jffs2" | 22:28 |
| sparrw | what is the 770 lcd? manufacturer, part #, specs, etc? | 22:28 |
| t_s_o | wsod? | 22:28 |
| qnr-lt | dhd, yeah, that's what I used for my N800/OS2007 and it worked great, just not working with OS2008 | 22:28 |
| dhd | hmm | 22:28 |
| Lahiru | K | 22:28 |
| dhd | did you get the latest initfs_flasher? | 22:29 |
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| qnr-lt | well, I downloaded the one that was linked in the wiki page... I'll go check and see if there are updated versions | 22:29 |
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| qnr-lt | guess I could try the N810 one [random thought] | 22:31 |
| lcuk | os2008 software is for both 800 and 810 | 22:32 |
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| qnr-lt | yeah, I know, I'm running OS2008 at the moment :) | 22:34 |
| lcuk | which hardware tho | 22:34 |
| * lcuk read it as though you were on 800 | 22:35 | |
| qnr-lt | I'll go format the mmc card again | 22:35 |
| qnr-lt | yes, I'm on an N800 | 22:35 |
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| hachi | how do I get modest to flush its changes to my mailbox? | 22:43 |
| hachi | I keep reading emails in it, it marks them as read | 22:43 |
| hachi | and my imap server has no clue about this | 22:44 |
| hachi | I can DELETE them, and my imap server has no clue about this | 22:44 |
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| chrisak | hachi: same for me; I don't have a solution tho. I was thinking it was just a testing/beta release ... looking great so far :) | 23:01 |
| t_s_o | hmm, latest modest nosedives here if i try to check a pop account with actual mails waiting... | 23:01 |
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| t_s_o | also, i cant seem to connect to msn using the beta chat | 23:05 |
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| Vulcanis | leave the ghost... its my desktop | 23:06 |
| Vulcanis | Or kick him, I don't care, I guess. | 23:06 |
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| Tak | btw, are the US discount codes working for anyone yet? | 23:24 |
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| Cptnodegard | um | 23:40 |
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| Cptnodegard | wtf is the cuircuit inside the ca100 for? | 23:41 |
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| Cptnodegard | the nokia charger already is 5v, dont see why it cant run straight off usb | 23:41 |
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