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| gnuton__ | night | 00:07 |
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| Luria | dhd? | 00:14 |
| Luria | your initials or a geeky stargate reference? | 00:14 |
| ReverseGTR | Luria: your brain will explode and spill out of your ears for mentioning that | 00:15 |
| Luria | brain... nope, still there. | 00:16 |
| lcuk | it takes time | 00:16 |
| Luria | well, as much as it's always been. | 00:16 |
| lcuk | its more an ooze than a spill | 00:16 |
| Luria | time and a 12 gauge buckshot blast. | 00:17 |
| lcuk | you might want to invest in some bulletproof earplugs | 00:17 |
| Luria | i have some impact resistant ones | 00:18 |
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| ReverseGTR | looks like it already happened to Bug Blue | 00:18 |
| Luria | but, no, no pasgt laying about. | 00:18 |
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| Luria | its contagious | 00:18 |
| ReverseGTR | I'm afraid so the Gulwaude | 00:20 |
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| ReverseGTR | improved their technology immensily | 00:20 |
| * ReverseGTR killed it :P | 00:21 | |
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| ReverseGTR | ow my brains! gnahh! | 00:22 |
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| rm_you | lol... dhd: same question :P | 00:38 |
| Luria | see!\ | 00:38 |
| rm_you | !! :P | 00:38 |
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| * Luria is not nuts | 00:38 | |
| rm_you | indeed. | 00:38 |
| * rm_you is nuts. | 00:38 | |
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| Luria | at least not by virtue of that question. | 00:38 |
| rm_you | well, I am nuts, so I don't know if my asking the same question absolves you :P | 00:39 |
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| Luria | oh. | 00:40 |
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| dhd | my initials actually :) | 00:42 |
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| dhd | I became aware of the Stargate device just recently | 00:44 |
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| Luria | finally an answer. | 00:44 |
| Luria | but i did suggest you initals first. :-) | 00:44 |
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| dhd | so - is there a way to define a control-key combination as a shortcut in osso-xterm? (the one that comes with OS2008) | 00:46 |
| dhd | e.g. control-a | 00:46 |
| sibbe | hmm that would be nice.. | 00:46 |
| sibbe | i noticed things like "Home" work | 00:46 |
| dhd | yeah i saw some posting that indicated that <Control>a might work | 00:48 |
| dhd | but it doesn't ... time to utsl I guess :) | 00:49 |
| sibbe | "gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/xterm" shows them... | 00:50 |
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| jga23 | is there any way to remap keys in fceu? | 01:19 |
| unique311 | was the (repostory) thing fix? | 01:19 |
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| unique311 | can i use repository now, instead of repostory... | 01:19 |
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| jga23 | i think so | 01:24 |
| Cptnodegard | hmmm | 01:25 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/sony-mylo-2-com.html | 01:25 |
| Cptnodegard | we have competition people :p | 01:25 |
| Cptnodegard | ... | 01:25 |
| Cptnodegard | not | 01:25 |
| jga23 | dhd: you figure it out? | 01:25 |
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| skibur | hello | 01:34 |
| skibur | Anybody have a GrandCentral account? | 01:35 |
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| unique311 | skibur, pm me ur email address | 01:37 |
| skibur | o that you on youtube :P | 01:37 |
| unique311 | yea | 01:37 |
| lcuk2 | hi unique :) | 01:38 |
| unique311 | hello | 01:40 |
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| unique311 | he should really get a irc client | 01:41 |
| skibur | lol | 01:41 |
| lcuk2 | yer i should | 01:41 |
| lcuk2 | lol | 01:41 |
| unique311 | xchat is pretty good | 01:41 |
| lcuk2 | i got it now for both this win box and for the 810 | 01:41 |
| lcuk2 | i just feel a bit more comfortable in webchat | 01:41 |
| unique311 | cool | 01:41 |
| unique311 | skibur you want an invite? | 01:41 |
| skibur | yeah, did you get my email? | 01:42 |
| unique311 | did you pm it? | 01:42 |
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| skibur | yeah | 01:42 |
| killfill | is there other mpd client for maemo, than "maemo music player client"? | 01:42 |
| unique311 | if you not register you cannot send PM/s | 01:42 |
| skibur | ? | 01:42 |
| skibur | o ok | 01:42 |
| killfill | something more finger friently.. :) | 01:42 |
| skibur | let me sign up | 01:42 |
| unique311 | /msg nickserv register <passwrd> | 01:43 |
| unique311 | and then identify /msg nickserv identify <passwrd> | 01:43 |
| unique311 | got it | 01:43 |
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| unique311 | 4 more invites | 01:44 |
| unique311 | come and get em, while they hot. | 01:44 |
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| unique311 | works, reallly good. My cellphone is on break, I'm using the grancentral/gizmo thing as a house phone..... | 01:46 |
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| unique311 | i just hope gizmo doesn't catch up to the whole thing, and put a lock on it. | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | grrr - you were right uniq - i clicked backspace and it did browser history... | 01:47 |
| * lcuk is now in xchat | 01:47 | |
| skibur | unique311, Thanks Again. I'm set now. :) | 01:48 |
| * lcuk now has a whole new set of buttons knobs and switches to twiddle with | 01:49 | |
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| Luria | right, how many are gizmo AND n8x0 users AND grandcentral users? | 01:52 |
| Luria | i dont think this channel is a fair representation :-) | 01:52 |
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| Luria | im not worried about gizmo making a system change for a handul of users | 01:52 |
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| unique311 | true | 01:57 |
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| unique311 | skibur, you can use the browser on the tablet to make the calls. | 01:59 |
| unique311 | grandcentral.com/mobile is much quicker to use on the tablet. | 01:59 |
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| skibur | well | 02:00 |
| skibur | my CenterStation will not accept my Gizmo Number :/ | 02:01 |
| skibur | sorry, GrandCentral | 02:01 |
| unique311 | centerstation? | 02:02 |
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| skibur | GrandCentral | 02:03 |
| unique311 | why | 02:04 |
| unique311 | hold on | 02:04 |
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| unique311 | i remember this happening to me | 02:04 |
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| skibur | ok | 02:05 |
| unique311 | (xxx) xxx-xxxx | 02:05 |
| unique311 | that format | 02:05 |
| unique311 | then name it gizmo | 02:06 |
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| skibur | got it | 02:07 |
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| unique311 | cool | 02:07 |
| unique311 | you tried it with the 1 | 02:07 |
| skibur | update rtcomm? | 02:08 |
| unique311 | nah | 02:08 |
| skibur | are you running OS2008? | 02:08 |
| unique311 | don't need to | 02:08 |
| skibur | o ok | 02:08 |
| skibur | cool | 02:08 |
| unique311 | i tried updating and it wouldn't work for me. | 02:08 |
| unique311 | then i stumbled on another post that said you don't need to update | 02:08 |
| unique311 | just set up gizmo in the default client | 02:08 |
| skibur | ok | 02:09 |
| unique311 | sip, jabber and something else is available without the need to update | 02:09 |
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| unique311 | google talk is the third option. | 02:10 |
| skibur | ok | 02:13 |
| skibur | going to make a call | 02:13 |
| skibur | ... | 02:13 |
| fysa | do we have a working cbr/cbz reader for os2008? | 02:15 |
| skibur | nice | 02:15 |
| skibur | it work nice | 02:15 |
| skibur | :) | 02:15 |
| unique311 | heh | 02:15 |
| unique311 | of course | 02:15 |
| skibur | I hope it will be free | 02:15 |
| skibur | :) | 02:15 |
| unique311 | its free | 02:15 |
| skibur | for along time | 02:16 |
| skibur | Beta for ever! | 02:16 |
| skibur | lol | 02:16 |
| unique311 | just hope gizmo don't change around the system. | 02:16 |
| unique311 | but like luria stated, to make a change because of a few n8XX, and grandcentral user. | 02:16 |
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| unique311 | business can't be so good | 02:16 |
| unique311 | google is not the problem | 02:17 |
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| unique311 | google is basically just calling your gizmo number and the number you dialed, and connecting you two. | 02:17 |
| unique311 | but then again, i did try to call my gizmo number from my cellphone, and got an error message. | 02:18 |
| unique311 | i say google should just buy gizmo, like its buying everything else. | 02:19 |
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| alterego | Anyone know if you can get the flasher to create a fiasco image from the device? | 02:22 |
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| unique311 | so the repos were fixed.... | 02:24 |
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| unique311 | xmms for The Maemo, hildonize? | 02:27 |
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| jga23 | is there any way to remap keys in fceu for the n810? | 02:39 |
| unique311 | you check the config file? | 02:40 |
| skibur | I tried calling my gizmo number too | 02:40 |
| unique311 | workS? | 02:40 |
| skibur | It asked me to press 1 to accept the call | 02:41 |
| alterego | Hmm .. Why did they get rid of the caps lock VKB key :( | 02:41 |
| unique311 | hmm | 02:41 |
| skibur | if can bring up the keyboard, then maybe we can accept the call | 02:41 |
| skibur | :) | 02:41 |
| skibur | bring up notes | 02:41 |
| unique311 | you don't know how to bring up the keypad | 02:41 |
| skibur | and when it ask to press 1 to accept, see if it will accept it | 02:42 |
| unique311 | click on internet call and then choose dtmf dailing | 02:42 |
| skibur | o yeah | 02:42 |
| unique311 | did you try calling this from a regular phone line | 02:42 |
| unique311 | this being the gizmo number | 02:42 |
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| unique311 | skibur, i think you misunderstood me, try calling the 747 gizmo number on your house phone. | 02:45 |
| unique311 | or cellphone. | 02:45 |
| skibur | o ok | 02:45 |
| unique311 | you will get an error message, something about the 747 not being valid. | 02:45 |
| skibur | i was calling the GrandCentral one | 02:45 |
| unique311 | yes | 02:45 |
| unique311 | that will work. | 02:45 |
| unique311 | somehow it dials the 747 number and gets thru. | 02:46 |
| unique311 | so give out the the grancentral number, and people will be able to call you. | 02:46 |
| unique311 | when you answer, bring up the DTFM dailing pad, and press 1 to answer. | 02:47 |
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| astro76 | grandcentral just makes a free sip to sip voip call ( http://www.sipphone.com/basics/ ) | 02:51 |
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| * alterego attempts to come up with a backup strategy for his tablet. | 03:42 | |
| alterego | So far involving mount, tar and ssh. | 03:42 |
| astro76 | rsync no good? | 03:45 |
| Luria | dd :-) | 03:45 |
| alterego | dd fails. | 03:45 |
| Luria | wow. speaking of backups... | 03:46 |
| Luria | http://www.archive.org/details/mt015 | 03:46 |
| Luria | ive never seen a rate that high | 03:46 |
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| Luria | (other than proof of concept, demos, etc) | 03:46 |
| alterego | Well, my N810 should arrive in a couple of days :) | 03:49 |
| alterego | I've got three projects to do for work. Which should be laid to rest by the end of the week. Then I'm going to spend the rest of the month on Ruby-Maemo. | 03:50 |
| alterego | I've hardly done anything on it for a month now and it's making me feel kind of guilty. | 03:51 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | hi - a quick straw poll: what's the next most viable language for maemo development after C/C++? | 03:56 |
| alterego | Ruby | 03:56 |
| packetlossmm | i've noticed many apps are done in python | 03:57 |
| * lcuk seems to like python | 03:57 | |
| alterego | Ruby is better | 03:58 |
| Luria | brainfuck | 03:58 |
| Luria | j/k | 03:58 |
| Luria | python seems to be pretty popular | 03:58 |
| blahdeblahN800 | alterego: Then why do you need to spend the rest of the month working on it? :P | 03:59 |
| Luria | ouch | 03:59 |
| alterego | Good question. | 03:59 |
| alterego | There are three libraries I need to bind. | 03:59 |
| alterego | I'm also working on a port of gems, which is kind of like cpan but for ruby | 03:59 |
| alterego | I need to optimize it quite a lot. | 04:00 |
| alterego | I also need to move my build process to scrachbox 2. | 04:00 |
| alterego | Aswell as start work on Ruby 1.9 ready for the next major release. Which is pretty imminent. | 04:01 |
| blahdeblahN800 | alterego: consider yourself vindicated ;-) | 04:02 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Boy this handwriting recognition is annoying me! | 04:03 |
| blahdeblahN800 | So slow | 04:03 |
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| alterego | I'd also like to work on a rewrite of the website. | 04:04 |
| packetlossmm | i like how the middle button brings up thumb keyboard in 2008 | 04:04 |
| alterego | Do some more complete documentation, write a comprehensive and stable set of unit tests. | 04:04 |
| Luria | it always did | 04:04 |
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| alterego | What started out being a project to allow me to comfortable hack apps for my tablet turned into my first proper OSS project. | 04:05 |
| packetlossmm | ahh, only notived because finger presses won't register since i upgraded | 04:05 |
| alterego | I've not even got around to writing any real maemo apps yet :( | 04:05 |
| Luria | packetlossmm, that's new :-) | 04:05 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Ruby & Python are languages i've been meaning to learn for a while, so i might have to give them both a try | 04:06 |
| alterego | blahdeblahN800, do it. That's how I got into Ruby. I was using Python for about 8 months. Then I started learning Ruby and within a couple of weeks I jumped ship ^_^ | 04:06 |
| alterego | But whatever, it's up to you which you prefer. | 04:06 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I think it's about bed time now. | 04:07 |
| blahdeblahN800 | alterego: interesting - everyone i talk to seems to th. | 04:07 |
| blahdeblahN800 | aaaaargl | 04:08 |
| alterego | Heh | 04:08 |
| blahdeblahN800 | ... think Python.is da bomb | 04:08 |
| alterego | Python is certainly more popular. But it's been around a long time. | 04:08 |
| alterego | Ruby is relatively new, and people are constantly jumping ship from python to ruby when they can. | 04:09 |
| fysa | I went back to python also.. | 04:09 |
| fysa | mostly because I prefer how it handles modules | 04:09 |
| packetlossmm | wasnt ruby created in early 90's , just not well known | 04:09 |
| fysa | and the vast APIs/third-party modules | 04:09 |
| alterego | I found Ruby to be more free'ing, Python somehow seems more rigid. Though the two languages share a lot. Ruby is certainly more object oriented though. | 04:09 |
| blahdeblahN800 | what made you jump ship? | 04:09 |
| fysa | ARexx is better than either of them. ;) | 04:10 |
| * lcuk remembers arexx fondly | 04:10 | |
| alterego | Ruby has a little more lisp and smalltalk rolled in than Python does. | 04:11 |
| alterego | Oh and did I mention Ruby is like Web 2.0? | 04:11 |
| * alterego throws in a buzz word for good measure. | 04:11 | |
| lcuk | the biggest difference with python from other languages is the formatting | 04:11 |
| lcuk | but thats also its strength | 04:11 |
| alterego | Yes, the indentation as syntax is a little strange to some. | 04:11 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | ...hopefully minus all the (((()))) | 04:12 |
| alterego | I don't think it's a strength at all. | 04:12 |
| alterego | I think it's just a design decision. | 04:12 |
| lcuk | i agree | 04:12 |
| alterego | The indentation rules in Python make crap all difference in my opinion. | 04:12 |
| lcuk | to me its logical | 04:12 |
| * blahdeblahN800 gives up and switches to his bluetooth keyboard | 04:12 | |
| alterego | It's logical because it's a programming language :P | 04:12 |
| lcuk | lol | 04:13 |
| lcuk | there is that | 04:13 |
| alterego | It's more of a short cut in someways. Which yes, is a good thing I suppose. | 04:14 |
| alterego | But not everyone likes it. | 04:14 |
| alterego | The indentation rule I found quite appealing actually though, when I was using python. | 04:15 |
| thefool | any news on canola for the 770? | 04:15 |
| lcuk | i doubt the nokia designers write in it tho - the 810 doesn't have a tab key | 04:15 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Personally, the indenting thing has been the thing that has made me hold off learning Python - y'know, the whole COBOL memories thing... | 04:15 |
| alterego | Heh | 04:15 |
| alterego | lcuk, they only need one space :P | 04:15 |
| lcuk | but then it wont look right | 04:15 |
| alterego | Never touched COBOL me. | 04:15 |
| alterego | Oh, it's about "looks" now :P | 04:16 |
| alterego | Poser :P | 04:16 |
| lcuk | unless i can make a space char a big fatty | 04:16 |
| alterego | "I code Python because it looks cool" ^_^ | 04:16 |
| thefool | lcuk: actually I think it looks better with 1-2 spaces then tabbed as you qickly start needing to scroll with normal tabs | 04:16 |
| alterego | Sure, increase the font size :D | 04:16 |
| alterego | My tabs are 2 spaces. | 04:16 |
| lcuk | i come from a place where 4 spaces is also the default tab | 04:16 |
| alterego | I believe matz (ruby god) uses 4 space tabs though | 04:17 |
| lcuk | so for the last 7 years i have been using 4 | 04:17 |
| blahdeblahN800 | My eyes aren't good enough to use indents that small... ;-) | 04:17 |
| blahdeblahN800 | 4 for me! | 04:17 |
| blahdeblahN800 | (Although i mostly code Java) | 04:17 |
| alterego | I think anyone that uses 4 space tabs is over compensating for something else :P | 04:17 |
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| * lcuk drives a small car | 04:17 | |
| alterego | thefool, must have the largest appendage here if he's prepared to use a single space .. | 04:17 |
| blahdeblahN800 | :-) | 04:18 |
| alterego | Anyhow, it's 2:20am here. I've got to get sleep, early mornin' and all. Good night folks. | 04:18 |
| blahdeblahN800 | My tab is smaller than your tab? Kind of reverse logic... | 04:18 |
| blahdeblahN800 | night alterego - thanks for the tips | 04:18 |
| lcuk | i suppose i would have picked up any language as long as it cross compiled and was testable onj this windows box | 04:18 |
| lcuk | python came along and had what i needed | 04:18 |
| lcuk | nite alter | 04:19 |
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| lcuk | ive also got work in the morning | 04:19 |
| lcuk | i havent been in since b4 xmas | 04:19 |
| * rm_you uses 3 space tabs | 04:19 | |
| lcuk | lol @ rm being odd | 04:20 |
| * rm_you is an oddball | 04:20 | |
| thefool | I learned python because it I needed something high level that I could take all sorts of proprietary DB and XMLish formats and store them into an SQL DB for a job I was doing. I was able to learn enough python to do that in a few hours | 04:20 |
| rm_you | i also <3 python | 04:20 |
| rm_you | it's a good introductory language, IMO | 04:20 |
| blahdeblahN800 | thefool: interesting | 04:20 |
| thefool | It really is a beautiful language | 04:20 |
| rm_you | when i try to introduce people to programming, i do it with python | 04:20 |
| lcuk | unless rm reformats it to look cack :P | 04:20 |
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| rm_you | less annoying symbols to deal with, and the syntax is very english-like | 04:21 |
| thefool | and then you have to tell them that "real": programming is not that fun... | 04:21 |
| rm_you | and the "forced indentation" side effect is nice | 04:21 |
| lcuk | i dont introduce ppl to code - its like trying to teach someone ninja skills | 04:21 |
| rm_you | because it leads to good coding style later :P | 04:21 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:21 |
| packetlossmm | im stuck with vb and asp.net at work. | 04:21 |
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| lcuk | besides, you never know if they will become a grandmaster and take your job away | 04:22 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:22 |
| lcuk | im doin "classic" vb | 04:22 |
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| * lcuk has got 15 years of code to manage | 04:22 | |
| * lcuk still works with a core library written originally in that crappy dos basic :S | 04:23 | |
| thefool | I am pretty sure I did not know what code was 15 years ago | 04:23 |
| lcuk | i knew but it wasnt my problem back then | 04:23 |
| blahdeblahN800 | lcuk: Stop it! You're hurting me! Mum, make him stop!!! | 04:23 |
| lcuk | i took over it all (its 99.9% vb classic now) in 2000 | 04:23 |
| packetlossmm | i was hired for an it operations job and find myself working on a cms lol | 04:23 |
| rm_you | i do VB6 for my job >_< | 04:24 |
| rm_you | i hate it so much | 04:24 |
| lcuk | nothing at all wrong with vb in the right hands (mine :D ) | 04:24 |
| rm_you | 100% maintenance and feature additions <_< | 04:24 |
| thefool | lcuk: so sad... I have an old Cish compiler from before the ANSI days it fits on a few 5 1/4's and ran in DOS, didn't think it got older than that. Guess I was wrong lol | 04:24 |
| packetlossmm | i know its wrong in mine lol | 04:24 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Mum, now rm_you's doing it too! Whine! ;-( | 04:25 |
| lcuk | fool - i was writing in c on the amiga in the 90s, the first things i got on a pc was the source to the original c compiler | 04:25 |
| lcuk | i played with that for a while | 04:25 |
| lcuk | then i started college and slid around doin c++ and pascal until i found vb | 04:26 |
| thefool | I still have my first computer, an old 486...hearing of an amiga scares me. | 04:27 |
| packetlossmm | i think its usually that vb finds you | 04:27 |
| lcuk | i wont tell you about the hand written assembler (entered in hex) on the spectrum | 04:27 |
| thefool | lcuk: uck you went from C to C++ to VB? And you liked it?!? | 04:27 |
| lcuk | yes | 04:27 |
| lcuk | front end worked - the language was easy - once i split everything up (classes/interface) its no less of a language than anything else | 04:28 |
| thefool | I could never do any serious work in VB...maybe an interface.... but you have NO real control | 04:28 |
| lcuk | why not? i can do anything in vb | 04:29 |
| rm_you | VB seems like it's designed to be a prototyping language | 04:29 |
| rm_you | which is great for menu systems and all... | 04:29 |
| rm_you | but it doesn't have very much real power behind it | 04:29 |
| lcuk | actually menus are the hardest things.. | 04:29 |
| lcuk | in MDIs anyway with merging | 04:29 |
| rm_you | the program i work on is 100% menu | 04:30 |
| rm_you | it's basically a multi-program launcher | 04:30 |
| lcuk | then write it in any language, and build menus at runtime from the interface to your class | 04:30 |
| lcuk | you just need html ;) | 04:30 |
| rm_you | probably | 04:30 |
| rm_you | i am sometimes tempted to rewrite the system in something like Java >_> | 04:31 |
| rm_you | it would definately make my job easier | 04:31 |
| rm_you | but i don't think i'd get paid to do that | 04:31 |
| lcuk | eventually my boss is gonna get me to rebuild our breadwinner in .shit | 04:32 |
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| rm_you | lol | 04:34 |
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| lcuk | i think i best go bed | 04:38 |
| lcuk | all this talk of vb has given me the shakes | 04:38 |
| * lcuk will dream of a better life with python | 04:38 | |
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| * dhd|busy has compiled FFT code for the DSP | 05:40 | |
| dhd|busy | time to test it | 05:40 |
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| Lurianic | wow. was so busy before. | 05:46 |
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| tank-man | does someone know where i can get more info on what the ".desktop" file is? | 06:02 |
| Vulcanis | 06:02 | |
| tank-man | do you have suggestions on other search terms to use? i am using "mime desktop os2007 OR os2008" | 06:07 |
| astro76 | tank-man: freedesktop.org | 06:08 |
| dragorn | tank-man: it's on maemo.org under docs, if I recall | 06:08 |
| dragorn | tank-man: Or just unpack another deb and look at it | 06:08 |
| tank-man | thanks, i'll take a look at those two | 06:08 |
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| fysa | how do you make the videocenter the default for browser? | 06:14 |
| fysa | mediaserv + videocenter + mplayer = wireless video heaven | 06:37 |
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| jga23_ | anybody know how to remap keys in powermanga? | 06:39 |
| |R | oh, it's out | 06:41 |
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| |R | jga23_ : does yours crashes when you die? | 06:55 |
| jga23_ | |R: yes | 06:56 |
| jga23_ | but its fun till then :) | 06:56 |
| |R | hehe | 06:56 |
| |R | i'm not very good ;) | 06:56 |
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| jga23_ | I wish I could map the fire button to the n810 space bar | 07:09 |
| jga23_ | or enter button | 07:09 |
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| dmadd | hi all, anyone know why i can't import an os x address book-generated vcard (.vcf), into an os2008 contact list? i'm on os x, v10.4. read somewhere that it was possible. in fact i sent my tab several formats and nothing worked (tab, comma). | 07:35 |
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| fysa | anyone interested in a xbmc 'mod' for mediaserv? | 08:01 |
| fysa | the idea is, you use videocenter to browse all media on your network via mediaserv | 08:02 |
| fysa | so you get a reasonable interface, and easy point-and-click with the super mplayer video player. | 08:02 |
| fysa | which works perfectly right now -- I have 720p x264 files for my HTPC here, but I can stream them with real-time transcoding.. | 08:03 |
| fysa | at reasonable resolutions to my N800 | 08:03 |
| fysa | which means anything that mplayer can play, will work. which is basically everything. | 08:03 |
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| fysa | the xbmc/htpc 'hack' would basically modify the tablet-encode script to a POST to the built-in xbmc webserver | 08:04 |
| fysa | or using the API -- maybe xmlrpc | 08:04 |
| fysa | which will trigger the same media being played simultaneously on xbmc (or whatever your htpc software is) | 08:05 |
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| fysa | and the maemo device. | 08:05 |
| fysa | ultimately, making the device a touchscreen remote for your home theater. | 08:05 |
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| fysa | set on your coffee table with RSS feeds and a complete tree of your media server collection. | 08:06 |
| fysa | it could work for music too. | 08:06 |
| fysa | play a song on the device, trigger it playing on your real music system | 08:06 |
| fysa | so you can listen and 'take it with you' | 08:06 |
| fysa | seamlessly | 08:06 |
| fysa | the song you listen to in the car on the drive home (if you were streaming online) would be playing when you walked in the door | 08:07 |
| |R | sounds fun :) | 08:07 |
| fysa | if anyone here wants to test or play with such a beast, please let me know. | 08:07 |
| |R | but can't test this right now :/ | 08:08 |
| fysa | I have a problem -- I have the skill to do much hackery, but am overwhelmed with projects and new ideas for projects -- but if I can put the pressure of an audience on myself, I'm sure I will emerge victorious over my lazy subconcious. | 08:08 |
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| Luria | and pidgin is... gone | 08:33 |
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| |R | haha wtf | 08:41 |
| |R | Not gone for me until OTR is ported to the OS | 08:42 |
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| fysa | OTR? | 08:42 |
| |R | off-the-record encryption | 08:43 |
| fysa | ah | 08:43 |
| |R | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ | 08:43 |
| |R | :) | 08:43 |
| fysa | yes, reading now | 08:43 |
| zoran | what goal whould you liek to fulfil? | 08:44 |
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| fysa | cool. | 08:44 |
| |R | And it's very easy to use in pidgin :) | 08:45 |
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| zoran | the very protocol was made with no security in mind | 08:45 |
| |R | indeed, otr fixes that :) | 08:46 |
| zoran | I recall encryption for irc | 08:46 |
| zoran | it wasw some patch for irssi | 08:46 |
| |R | that's a bit harder, multi-key is a pain :| | 08:46 |
| |R | though, we should all switch to silc :) | 08:47 |
| zoran | lemme c | 08:47 |
| zoran | hm, pidgin oriented | 08:48 |
| zoran | take a look at "fish", encryption for irssi | 08:49 |
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| zoran | and mirc, also | 08:49 |
| zoran | k, there is silc plugin for irssi, too | 08:50 |
| |R | silc is a new protocol altogether though | 08:50 |
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| |R | but interesting :) | 08:50 |
| Luria | anyone getting 404s from the rtcomm repo? | 08:51 |
| zoran | people disregard encryption | 08:51 |
| |R | yeah... that sucks | 08:51 |
| |R | we should not have to think about it | 08:51 |
| |R | it should just be enabled wherever possible | 08:51 |
| zoran | |R, ms don't like enc, so most people don't, also | 08:52 |
| |R | ms ? M$ ? | 08:52 |
| zoran | yep | 08:53 |
| zoran | I always write them in small cases | 08:53 |
| zoran | |R, have you tried silc client? | 08:54 |
| |R | a while back | 08:54 |
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| |R | basically looked like irssi | 08:55 |
| |R | with some key management functions | 08:55 |
| zoran | a lot of environment variables should be set | 08:55 |
| zoran | does it work as itself or with irssi? | 08:55 |
| |R | as itself | 08:56 |
| zoran | irc? | 08:56 |
| |R | no, silc? | 08:56 |
| zoran | I mean, how do you connect irc.freenode.net? | 08:56 |
| |R | oh, you can't... | 08:56 |
| fysa | you know.. | 08:56 |
| |R | they use silc servers | 08:56 |
| zoran | ah... | 08:56 |
| |R | that's why i was saying it's a whole new protocol | 08:57 |
| |R | the goal is a secure IRC | 08:57 |
| zoran | there is a plugin for irssi on their site | 08:57 |
| |R | Secure Internet Live Conferencing.. SILC :) | 08:57 |
| |R | oh :) | 08:57 |
| zoran | penguin-breeder.org/silc/ | 08:58 |
| |R | yeah found it :) | 08:58 |
| fysa | we could take an RSS feed of a torrent or tvnzb site, and using mediaserv and videocenter create an intellectual property nightmare -- you queue downloads by playing them -- torrent spawns, when done tablet-encode makes sure you can play whatever it is, feeds them with mediaserv back to videocenter where you can set an unlimited number of feeds up. | 08:58 |
| fysa | same with an nzb. | 08:58 |
| |R | but i'd still have to convince my friends to move from an SSL irc server to that ;) | 08:59 |
| fysa | just run a VPN. | 08:59 |
| fysa | then SSL inside of it. | 08:59 |
| zoran | ssl is fine | 08:59 |
| zoran | but none want to bother even with that | 08:59 |
| zoran | people are just too lazy | 08:59 |
| |R | VPN to where? | 08:59 |
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| fysa | that is the killer app. | 09:00 |
| fysa | that the openness of the N800 was designed for.. | 09:01 |
| fysa | of maemo.. | 09:01 |
| |R | killer apps for me is having ssh in my pocket | 09:01 |
| |R | and then SIP | 09:01 |
| |R | and a browser... | 09:01 |
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| zoran | |R, I can't get my friends to join irc, how could I make them join encryption and silc server? :) | 09:01 |
| |R | and plenty of fun gizmos around that ;) | 09:02 |
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| zoran | k, FiSH-irssi looks as the best solution to me | 09:03 |
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| |R | zoran : irc, i think, is out of the era where people came on #whatever-town to chat... they're now lost on crapbook | 09:03 |
| zoran | I just liek it | 09:04 |
| zoran | if I have a question, I don't ask a name, but a whole #channel | 09:04 |
| |R | yeah | 09:04 |
| zoran | my contacts are on win | 09:05 |
| zoran | I have nothing to ask them | 09:05 |
| |R | I don't see how this could be practical any other way | 09:05 |
| zoran | the matter of taste :) | 09:05 |
| zoran | I liek this #maemo | 09:05 |
| |R | but i still prefer a private friend channel :) | 09:06 |
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| zoran | |R, k, if I have im client, like centericq, I'm closed to what they know | 09:06 |
| |R | (though you're pretty much left with your computer geeky friends ;) | 09:06 |
| zoran | if I like to talk about vms, I go to #vms | 09:07 |
| |R | Most people i know at least have OTR on their IM for some reason (most people i know don't run windows for some other reason and those other client come bundled with OTR) | 09:07 |
| zoran | they know all answers | 09:07 |
| |R | haha :) | 09:07 |
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| * |R doesn't misses VAX ;) | 09:07 | |
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| zoran | I tried to but second-hand alpha and was suprised by the prise the bloke asked for | 09:08 |
| zoran | *buy | 09:08 |
| |R | a friend of mine got one a long time ago | 09:09 |
| |R | sold it back after we played with it basically... | 09:09 |
| zoran | he should like me to help him get rid of it | 09:09 |
| zoran | vms is vax/alpha/itanium | 09:09 |
| |R | but they're pretty much big noisy plastic/metal cube at this point ;) | 09:09 |
| zoran | :) | 09:09 |
| zoran | not for home usage | 09:10 |
| zoran | or pocket storage | 09:10 |
| |R | haha :) | 09:10 |
| |R | pocket alpha! as seen on TV! | 09:10 |
| zoran | hospitals, banks | 09:10 |
| zoran | alpha was fine, but hp killed it and digital unix | 09:10 |
| zoran | which was better than hp-ux | 09:11 |
| zoran | they also killed compaq laptops | 09:11 |
| |R | i still can't understand why old unix had binaries in /etc... | 09:11 |
| zoran | I have one, writting now | 09:11 |
| |R | (HPUX, Irix, etc..) | 09:11 |
| zoran | hm... | 09:11 |
| zoran | evolution of it is a matter of one who wrote it | 09:12 |
| zoran | bsd has teh best placement | 09:12 |
| zoran | better than linux | 09:12 |
| |R | how so? | 09:13 |
| zoran | qnx could be fine for 770, if could be get free of charge | 09:13 |
| zoran | ah, |R, linux os overbloated now | 09:13 |
| zoran | *is | 09:13 |
| zoran | freebsd stayed simple as it was | 09:13 |
| zoran | no million conf files for just one thing | 09:14 |
| |R | i don't find it bloated | 09:14 |
| |R | but i haven't ran a bsd for a while either | 09:14 |
| zoran | I have freebsd on both desk and laptop | 09:14 |
| zoran | I cannot change it to linux for that reason | 09:15 |
| zoran | linux is developing faster, must say | 09:15 |
| |R | i mean, if i had to go bsd and get stock with no 3rd party support beside FOSS etc, or binary compat for linux... i'd probably go for OpenBSD, beeing paranoid etc... but well.. not worth it for me | 09:15 |
| zoran | openbsd has some problem now, dunno what is going on | 09:16 |
| |R | ah? | 09:16 |
| zoran | bas smp support | 09:16 |
| zoran | *bad | 09:16 |
| zoran | bad 64 bit support | 09:16 |
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| zoran | not bad as "not working" | 09:16 |
| zoran | just not freebsd "stable and fast" | 09:16 |
| |R | yeah.. | 09:17 |
| zoran | freebsd is the fastest and, for future 7.0 most stable, beside vms | 09:17 |
| vegai | linux's apparent complexity is due to the distro not due to the kernel+GNU | 09:18 |
| zoran | people dislike bsd, since it is not for novice | 09:18 |
| |R | but I'm afraid the bsd community won't be able to keep up at some point | 09:18 |
| |R | i hope they do... but with everyone throwing their weight behind linux... | 09:18 |
| vegai | BSD doesn't have the momentum, that's the problem | 09:18 |
| |R | vegai : indeed | 09:18 |
| zoran | vegai, what momentum? | 09:18 |
| vegai | ok, scratch that comment | 09:19 |
| zoran | they work on most biiiiiiiiiiig clusters | 09:19 |
| vegai | BSD doesn't have the hype, that's the problem | 09:19 |
| zoran | oh, I like that | 09:19 |
| zoran | hype is for blondes | 09:19 |
| vegai | yes, for some it's a good thing | 09:19 |
| zoran | Theo de Raadt is my kind of guy | 09:20 |
| vegai | but it also means that dumb execs don't get to hear about it | 09:20 |
| zoran | "if you don't like, find something else" | 09:20 |
| vegai | well, smart execs too | 09:20 |
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| |R | hehe | 09:20 |
| |R | I haven't seen any widescale *BSD news for a long time :| | 09:20 |
| zoran | and " using openbsd is privilage" | 09:20 |
| zoran | yahoo uses them | 09:21 |
| vegai | Plan9 or Inferno on N8xx might be interesting too, if you're interested in cool non-hyped thing | 09:21 |
| zoran | I mean freebsd | 09:21 |
| vegai | +s | 09:21 |
| zoran | vegai, I have one plan9 account | 09:21 |
| |R | hehe they still exist? i remember doing a big OS map 10 years ago with all these names ;) | 09:21 |
| vegai | is it on a N810? :) | 09:21 |
| zoran | www.tip9ug.jp/who/zoran | 09:21 |
| zoran | plan9 sever | 09:22 |
| |R | are these OS FOSS ? | 09:22 |
| vegai | zoran: cool. | 09:22 |
| zoran | vegai, I think qnx would be even better | 09:22 |
| zoran | real time os is just for 770 | 09:22 |
| vegai | |R: plan9 is using an OSI certified license, don't remember which one right now | 09:23 |
| zoran | |R, plan9 could be what you like, since they are just a buntch of desperados now | 09:23 |
| |R | hehe | 09:23 |
| zoran | their comando is on the list, unlike Billy | 09:23 |
| zoran | second man gave me account on his server | 09:24 |
| vegai | don't laugh, they just wrote an ssh2 server | 09:24 |
| vegai | or was it client | 09:24 |
| zoran | I dislike graphical nature of plan9, indeed | 09:24 |
| zoran | but, it is more secure in nature than win | 09:25 |
| zoran | no root | 09:25 |
| |R | hehe, win is the contrary... STAY ROOT! always! | 09:25 |
| |R | kill yourself! fast! | 09:25 |
| zoran | I just don't get that thing | 09:25 |
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| zoran | you even cannot do mundane things as user | 09:25 |
| |R | they don't either | 09:25 |
| |R | haha | 09:25 |
| zoran | my good friend says that server 2003 was their best home os | 09:26 |
| |R | hehe | 09:26 |
| zoran | I don't have win for so long time, that jst cannot comment | 09:27 |
| zoran | I made rdesktop connection some time ago | 09:27 |
| zoran | l Mb jsut to connect | 09:27 |
| |R | never ran it as a personal OS of my life | 09:27 |
| zoran | 1 Mb to load wordpad | 09:27 |
| |R | only at school, etc.. | 09:27 |
| |R | got raised on macs, and fled to linux | 09:27 |
| |R | hehe | 09:27 |
| zoran | 1 Mb to write "test" | 09:27 |
| zoran | 1 Mb to disconenct | 09:27 |
| |R | haha | 09:28 |
| zoran | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan | 09:28 |
| zoran | on hp testdrive site | 09:28 |
| zoran | my neghbor installed vista and later could not got rid of it! | 09:29 |
| blahdeblah | Is there a way to get the account details from Rhapsody on the N800 so we can login to their site over the web? | 09:29 |
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| zoran | FiSH-irssi looks implemented in irssi just like native commands | 09:30 |
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| zoran | must to try on this days | 09:31 |
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| zoran | btw, someone has britannica perl approach on linux? | 09:36 |
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| zoran | someone used mediawiki? | 09:48 |
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| Cptnodegard | the memory card readers of the n800 are fuckign slow -.- | 09:55 |
| zoran | maybe the card is of low quality? | 09:56 |
| Cptnodegard | no | 09:57 |
| Cptnodegard | its a 150x card | 09:57 |
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| Cptnodegard | write speed of 20 MB per sec | 09:57 |
| fysa | yeah, right | 09:57 |
| fysa | theoretical | 09:57 |
| fysa | best-case only | 09:57 |
| fysa | find real benchmarks | 09:57 |
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| Cptnodegard | but its a 4GB, non SDHC. dunno if the fact its not SDHC somewhat confuses the n800 and slows it down | 09:57 |
| zoran | low power? | 09:57 |
| blahdeblah | And VFAT filesystem is a raw performance beast... ;-) | 09:57 |
| Cptnodegard | its not theoretically, i get full speed with a USB card reader | 09:58 |
| zoran | ah, should be formatted | 09:58 |
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| zoran | ext2 works fine to me | 09:58 |
| Cptnodegard | ? | 09:58 |
| zoran | ! | 09:58 |
| blahdeblah | True - but then you can't just put it in any old Windows box to transfer files. | 09:58 |
| fysa | how fast is internal flash? | 09:58 |
| Cptnodegard | internal card is a class 2 8gb SDHC. external one is a 150X 4GB SD | 09:59 |
| fysa | no.. sorry, I mean the built-in flash | 09:59 |
| Cptnodegard | no idea | 09:59 |
| blahdeblah | zoran: Do you know if USB flash drives implement a file-based protocol? Or do they just provide raw access to the device? | 09:59 |
| zoran | there must be some usb-ata driver | 10:00 |
| zoran | if it has enclosure | 10:00 |
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| zoran | penstick should be just usb | 10:00 |
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| zoran | I tried usb hdd on bsd and found it almost ridiculous | 10:01 |
| blahdeblah | I was just wondering whether you could format a card ext3, use it natively on Linux, yet be able to plug the N800 in via USB and get access on Windows boxes. | 10:01 |
| zoran | just don't use ext3 | 10:01 |
| zoran | it reads and writes too much over it | 10:02 |
| blahdeblah | s/ext3/any given non-Windows filesystem/ | 10:02 |
| infobot | blahdeblah meant: I was just wondering whether you could format a card any given non-Windows filesystem, use it natively on Linux, yet be able to plug the N800 in via USB and get access on Windows boxes. | 10:02 |
| blahdeblah | That bot's a bit too smart... | 10:02 |
| zoran | you could format it and read on device, yes | 10:02 |
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| zoran | you just need to load a module for ext3 | 10:02 |
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| blahdeblah | The part i'm wondering about is whether Windows would be able to read it via the N800's USB flash drive emulation. | 10:03 |
| Luria | i would think so | 10:03 |
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| zoran | as I understand, usb cable unloads vfat system | 10:03 |
| Luria | considering the internal partition is jffs2 | 10:04 |
| blahdeblah | Luria: but you can't get access to that via USB, can you? | 10:04 |
| Luria | and is plenty readable by by windows without fs drivers | 10:04 |
| zoran | ext3 partition stayed mounted | 10:04 |
| blahdeblah | I only see the two card readers | 10:04 |
| Luria | yes | 10:04 |
| zoran | so you have to unload it first | 10:04 |
| zoran | *unmount | 10:04 |
| Luria | it's flakey | 10:04 |
| blahdeblah | Luria: both cards on my system are VFAT | 10:04 |
| Luria | ok, but the internal 256 is jffs2, and is mounted - provided there isnt any serious filesystem activity going on | 10:05 |
| blahdeblah | How can you see the internal flash via USB? | 10:06 |
| Luria | dunno. plug in, it works. | 10:06 |
| Luria | tho - | 10:06 |
| Luria | i do have the flash updater installed now that i think about it | 10:06 |
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| Luria | maybe it added a driver | 10:06 |
| blahdeblah | When i plug my N800 into my Debian box, i only see the two card readers. | 10:06 |
| Luria | dunno what to tell you | 10:07 |
| Luria | but i have done it, not reliably | 10:08 |
| Luria | sometimes there is some sort of volume locking that prohibits mounting... all that said, use scp :-) | 10:09 |
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| d^_^B | hi guys | 10:20 |
| d^_^B | how are ya today? | 10:20 |
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| d^_^B | ? | 10:21 |
| d^_^B | :D | 10:21 |
| d^_^B | friends | 10:21 |
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| trickie | howdy | 10:22 |
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| d^_^B | i need the charge the nokia n810 after buy immediately??????? | 10:24 |
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| X-Fade_ | d^_^B: Nah, just start using it. | 10:25 |
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| d^_^B | so it dosn't need any charge 8 9 hours like mobile phones yes? | 10:25 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/intel-shows-tos.html | 10:26 |
| d^_^B | the first charge | 10:26 |
| d^_^B | are u sure dear friend? | 10:26 |
| Cptnodegard | yes hes sure | 10:26 |
| d^_^B | ??? | 10:26 |
| X-Fade_ | d^_^B: That is really old knowledge :) | 10:26 |
| X-Fade_ | Li-ion doesn't care what you do the first time.. | 10:26 |
| Cptnodegard | d^_^B: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24466 | 10:26 |
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| d^_^B | finally need or no? | 10:28 |
| d^_^B | for the first time after buy | 10:28 |
| X-Fade_ | 10 years ago, yes. | 10:29 |
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| d^_^B | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so it is not the same mobile phones exactly pocket laptop | 10:32 |
| X-Fade_ | d^_^B: Mobile phones is also the same. You don't need to do that.. | 10:32 |
| X-Fade_ | li-ion goes bad by aging.. | 10:32 |
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| X-Fade_ | So it start to die the moment it leaves the factory. (Just as we do btw ;) | 10:33 |
| d^_^B | but i know and hear we must do the first charge 8 9 hours after buy for these | 10:33 |
| X-Fade_ | d^_^B: It doesn't have a timer that starts when you buy it.. | 10:33 |
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| d^_^B | X-Fade_ which one have u? n8*0 | 10:34 |
| X-Fade_ | In a few hours I have all tablets.. | 10:34 |
| X-Fade_ | My N810 is in its delivery round accoring to UPS :) | 10:34 |
| fysa | http://ces.laptopmag.com/iriver-wing-swoops-into-umpc-territory | 10:34 |
| fysa | anyone know which CPU this uses? | 10:34 |
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| fysa | Windows CE was ARM based wasn't it? | 10:35 |
| d^_^B | well n800 n810 doesn't need the first charge and i can use it after buy immediately? | 10:35 |
| fysa | that would be an attractive device if it could run Maemo/Hildon.. | 10:35 |
| X-Fade_ | d^_^B: The battery won't be full, but there will be some power in it.. | 10:35 |
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| jonek | my new discount code is still invalid in the german nokia store :-( | 10:40 |
| d^_^B | :) | 10:43 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:43 |
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| Luria | hey | 10:50 |
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| Luria | gah | 10:51 |
| Luria | ok,bye | 10:51 |
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| blahdeblah | Question: does the native N800 media player support the scrobbling plugin that's available in extras? | 10:56 |
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| fysa | http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/intelumpcpepces/1000426195 | 11:00 |
| d^_^B | what is it? | 11:00 |
| fysa | http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/intelumpcpepces/1000426267 | 11:01 |
| fysa | x86/Pentium-compatible | 11:01 |
| fysa | using new Intel chipset (CES is on now) | 11:01 |
| d^_^B | :D | 11:02 |
| fysa | indeed | 11:02 |
| fysa | http://gizmodo.com/341388/nbc-to-put-3600-hours-of-2008-olympic-games-on-msn-in-silverlight | 11:03 |
| fysa | holy shit. | 11:03 |
| fysa | 3600 hours of olympics for stream online | 11:03 |
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| d^_^B | what a cool | 11:03 |
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| pupnik_ | nokia.de news? | 11:22 |
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| Cord | germany - no points. | 11:27 |
| pupnik_ | Cord: it appears nokia will force me to apply to banks to get a visa/mc card. Is this correct? | 11:28 |
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| Cord | pupnik_: afaik yes. /me will pay with the card of a friend. | 11:28 |
| pupnik_ | can you pay with card of a friend? the name will not match your code name | 11:29 |
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| X-Fade_ | pupnik_: Doesn't matter. You can even give your code away.. | 11:29 |
| pupnik_ | don't tempt me | 11:29 |
| Cord | pupnik_: we'll see. but as some successful appliers didn't even give something that looks like a name... | 11:30 |
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| X-Fade_ | My N810 is in UPS delivery round at the moment. I can't wait! :) | 11:30 |
| pupnik_ | ok thanks for the info Cord | 11:30 |
| AD-N770 | bon dia i bon any nou / good morning and happy new year | 11:30 |
| Cord | AD-N770: which timezonbe are you in? it is 7th Jan here already ;-) | 11:31 |
| wnd | order status: open. I wonder what that means. | 11:31 |
| X-Fade_ | Cord: GMT+144 ;) | 11:32 |
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| Cord | :-) | 11:32 |
| jkyro | hi, anybody have knowledge about chinook installation? | 11:34 |
| jkyro | I have bora SDK installed I'd like to keep that and setup a separate target for chinook | 11:35 |
| jkyro | is it enough to just get the glibc2.5 toolchain and run the sdk install script? | 11:35 |
| pupnik_ | Anybody with a phone call 800-244-6397, enter 2406 then listen to the recorded questio nand press '4' | 11:35 |
| pupnik_ | new poll | 11:35 |
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| Monkulus | what kind of poll? | 11:37 |
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| wnd | google says "800 244-6397 Telephone Poll | Ron Paul for President 2008 - Ron ..." | 11:37 |
| Luria | oh joy | 11:37 |
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| pupnik_ | Do it or the TERRORISTS will win! | 11:42 |
| cesman | when the executive office bends the public over and congress does nothing.... | 11:42 |
| cesman | the terrorist have already won | 11:43 |
| cesman | well, the "war on terror" is bs | 11:43 |
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| pupnik_ | yep | 11:43 |
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| maddler | morning all... | 11:45 |
| vegai | pupnik_: that sucks. | 11:46 |
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| vegai | and Linux is GNU? | 11:46 |
| vegai | sheesh. | 11:46 |
| dpb_ | :s | 11:47 |
| b0unc3 | good morning... | 11:48 |
| Luria | If you use maemo, richard stallman wins! | 11:48 |
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| pupnik_ | vegai: agree, but if cords is right i can use a friend's card | 11:52 |
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| vegai | you're just mudding up the polls. That's information terrorism :P | 11:54 |
| pupnik_ | oh that | 11:54 |
| pupnik_ | telling people how to vote is what the media does ALL DAY | 11:54 |
| vegai | oh, sorry for carrying on a non-topic conversation :) | 11:54 |
| pupnik_ | so I will do it. | 11:54 |
| pupnik_ | don't bother me | 11:56 |
| pupnik_ | i'm not doing any maemo development yet | 11:56 |
| Knirch | Luria: how do you recon? | 11:59 |
| Luria | eh, just playing with the ...the terrorists win meme being thrown around | 12:00 |
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| unique311_ | hello | 12:23 |
| unique311_ | anybody home | 12:23 |
| unique311_ | ? | 12:23 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:26 |
| lardman | anyone know what the Nokia express delivery provides? | 12:27 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: UPS express? | 12:27 |
| lardman | I seem to remember seeing UPS somewhere... | 12:28 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: My package is being delivered as UPS Standard. | 12:28 |
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| lardman | I ticked express on Friday afternoon, then after paying saw that they don't deliver on weekends, and have received an email today to say it's just shipped | 12:29 |
| lardman | I'd expected express to be next (business) day | 12:29 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Yeah, don't use express on Friday :) | 12:29 |
| X-Fade_ | You will get ripped of :) | 12:29 |
| X-Fade_ | off | 12:29 |
| lardman | strange it couldn't be moved over the weekend even if it's not delivered | 12:29 |
| lardman | anyway, only ~£6 extra, I'm sure I'll survive | 12:30 |
| X-Fade_ | UPS does deliver on Saturday though. But that costs a lot more.. | 12:30 |
| lardman | http://www.ups.com/content/gb/en/shipping/time/service/index.html?WT.svl=SubNav | 12:30 |
| lardman | I see it says that they should deliver in one business day by 12noon | 12:31 |
| lardman | perhaps I should slope off home and wait :) | 12:31 |
| X-Fade_ | So they still have 1.5 hours for your package ;) | 12:31 |
| lardman | ah, that's the problem, I checked my email this morning and Nokia said it had shipped, so I assumed it wouldn't be delivered today | 12:31 |
| X-Fade_ | I have Standard and that is before the end of this day.. | 12:31 |
| lardman | ah well, I'll go home at lunch time and see if I've got a card through the door | 12:32 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Use the UPS tracking code.. | 12:32 |
| lardman | hmm, I don't see one | 12:32 |
| X-Fade_ | If it is 'Out for delivery' you will know for sure.. | 12:32 |
| X-Fade_ | Tracking Number: 1ZXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX | 12:33 |
| lardman | I don't have one on my email | 12:33 |
| X-Fade_ | You can check your order status too? On the Nokia shop website? | 12:34 |
| X-Fade_ | They have that on direct.n.c at least.. | 12:34 |
| kulve | lardman: it took day before I got the mail including the tracking code | 12:34 |
| kulve | or more even | 12:34 |
| X-Fade_ | kulve: Yeah and I got it 21:00 hours ;) | 12:34 |
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| kulve | and I made the order on friday and it's not even left the place yet | 12:35 |
| lardman | ah well, hopefully it'll be here before the email :) | 12:35 |
| unique311_ | i usually bother them as soon as they open on the day my package is suppose to arrive, and make sure i recieve it. | 12:35 |
| hendry | who wrote http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html ? | 12:35 |
| lardman | at least the depot is only ~30min drive away | 12:36 |
| lardman | kulve: we have more interest in the DSP, dhd|sleep has written a task which does an FFT | 12:37 |
| sp3000 | hendry: pfft, it's right there in the html metadata! (whether it's accurate, who knows) | 12:37 |
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| lardman | Anyone remember how long it takes to get a garage project created? | 12:38 |
| sp3000 | but considering it's the same name as the list announcement, I'd think it's plausible | 12:38 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Until Ferenc sees it? | 12:38 |
| kulve | direct.nokia.com tracking: cOrderTracking.aspx.vb:GetOrderTrackingDetails - These columns don't currently have unique values. | 12:38 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: oh right, he may still be on his hols I guess | 12:40 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Last project is approved on 3/1, so it is pretty up to date ;) | 12:40 |
| lardman | Feels like a long time, but I only applied on the 3rd | 12:40 |
| lardman | I'll just be at least a little bit patient :) | 12:41 |
| X-Fade_ | I think timeless can also do that, but I'm not sure.. | 12:41 |
| kulve | it seems that some people have got a confirmation email including only the nokia order code and some (like I) have received also the UPS info in the email.. | 12:41 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: that's ok, just felt like a long time (shopping in Ikea does that!) | 12:42 |
| lardman | kulve: I see | 12:42 |
| X-Fade_ | kulve: I had a different tracking code in orderstatus. That one was invalid :) | 12:42 |
| X-Fade_ | kulve: But the one in the email was correct. | 12:43 |
| kulve | "in orderstatus"? | 12:43 |
| lardman | maddler: ping | 12:43 |
| X-Fade_ | kulve: The online order status page.. | 12:43 |
| kulve | X-Fade_: it just gives an error to me.. | 12:43 |
| X-Fade_ | Omg, I just saw the UPS truck pass my house.. | 12:44 |
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| hendry | sp3000: whoa, meta data was used :) | 12:44 |
| kulve | X-Fade_: :) | 12:44 |
| unique311_ | is it possible to be an unknown famous person? | 12:44 |
| lardman | the stig? | 12:44 |
| X-Fade_ | I hope that he is still looking to find my house.. | 12:44 |
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| lardman | unique311_: but you'd need to watch Top Gear to get that one | 12:44 |
| unique311_ | hmmm | 12:44 |
| X-Fade_ | The Stig is pretty cool yeah ;) | 12:45 |
| unique311_ | can't i just google it | 12:45 |
| lardman | unique311_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stig | 12:45 |
| unique311_ | cool | 12:46 |
| unique311_ | http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Nike/Nike2.jpg | 12:46 |
| unique311_ | the artist who did this sculpture is unknown | 12:46 |
| unique311_ | and suposedly is famous. | 12:47 |
| unique311_ | i don't unknown and famous falling into the same sentence. | 12:47 |
| unique311_ | but the stig proved me wrong. | 12:47 |
| unique311_ | maybe its famous sculpture, unknown artist. | 12:49 |
| unique311_ | but the question is... Famous Sculptor: Who produced, Nike of Samothrace Statue? | 12:50 |
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| lardman | Are you doing a pub quiz? ;) | 12:50 |
| unique311_ | sorry, its a question that popped up on another channel i'm in. | 12:51 |
| unique311_ | one of those survey bots | 12:51 |
| lardman | :) | 12:51 |
| maddler | lardman: pong | 12:54 |
| unique311_ | I think i should start a maemo general chat irc channel....this is a dev channel, correct? | 12:55 |
| lardman | maddler: I was wondering if I could get a blog setup? | 12:55 |
| lardman | maddler: please | 12:55 |
| Veggen | unique: I think it's easier to start a #maemo-dev. | 12:59 |
| Veggen | unique: simply because users will not find a #maemo-general | 12:59 |
| Veggen | (or similar) | 12:59 |
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| maddler | lardman|away: sure! | 13:18 |
| Cptn-N800 | School ftl | 13:19 |
| maddler | Cptn-N800: having fun with pidgin? :) | 13:20 |
| Cptn-N800 | Very much ^^ | 13:20 |
| maddler | haha | 13:20 |
| maddler | my N810 is on its way at last! :D | 13:21 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Eta? | 13:21 |
| wnd | "UPS could not locate the shipment details for your request. Please verify your information and try again later." | 13:22 |
| maddler | Cptn-N800: I'd say tomorrow... | 13:23 |
| Veggen | Hmm. New broadband-router is on its way, my broadband vendor says. I'm not sure I like it, cause my broadband-router has worked without a hiccup for the last five years at least, and I didn't ask for a new one. | 13:23 |
| maddler | even if I KNOW the courier will try to deliver right when no1 at home... ;) | 13:24 |
| Blafasel | Veggen: So don't replace it? | 13:25 |
| Veggen | Blafasel: Mmm, well. I expect they want the old one back.. | 13:26 |
| Veggen | And there might be a reason I need a new one, that is the old one will actually stop work. | 13:26 |
| Blafasel | After 5 years? | 13:26 |
| Cptn-N800 | Lol nice maddler! | 13:26 |
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| lardman | maddler: thanks, what info do you need from me? | 13:26 |
| Blafasel | Credit card no? :) | 13:27 |
| lardman | lol | 13:27 |
| lardman | which one, I've got a list here of 300,000.... | 13:27 |
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| Veggen | Blafasel: Wish they'd told me why, instead of just sending a mail that "your new broadband router is on it's way". | 13:28 |
| Blafasel | Veggen: Call the customer support hotline, ask politely? ;) | 13:28 |
| Cptn-N800 | Ask politely meaning swear | 13:29 |
| Blafasel | Lunch time.. And still no N810 to take with me. Darn. | 13:29 |
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| maddler | lardman|away: send me a mail with your desired blog name to maddler@eth0.it and I'll send you login informations... | 13:32 |
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| Luria | grrr anyone here use x-wrt? | 13:50 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | Am i right in thinking that there's no video chat support in Skype on N800? | 13:57 |
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| Luria | yes | 13:58 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Luria: :-( | 13:58 |
| Luria | whatever - the video camera sucks anyway | 13:59 |
| blahdeblahN800 | So it's only with SIP that i can do a video chat? | 13:59 |
| Luria | i rarely use it, even when supported | 13:59 |
| blahdeblahN800 | True - the camera does suck. | 13:59 |
| Luria | or jabber, if you cant find another client that does the whole jingle thing | 13:59 |
| Luria | which is usually another n8x0 | 14:00 |
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| Luria | but, it rare to have such reliable and low latency bandwidth on the go | 14:00 |
| Luria | and if im at home, id prefer my desktop anyway | 14:01 |
| Luria | doont get me wrong - it would be nice | 14:01 |
| Luria | but i wouldnt be too upset about it | 14:01 |
| Cptn-N800 | I use my cell's cam and send it tothis one with bt | 14:05 |
| X-Fade_ | Woohoo! UPS showed up ;) | 14:06 |
| X-Fade_ | F*ck, I got a QWERTZ version :( What a mayor screw up.. | 14:09 |
| blahdeblahN800 | How do i get rid of the | 14:10 |
| X-Fade_ | Hmm it says NL version soo on the box. But NL doesn't use qwertz.. | 14:10 |
| blahdeblahN800 | completion bar at the bottom of the screen? | 14:10 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Whenever i use my bluetooth keyboard for a while, this large grey completion bar, and i can't seem to get rid of it? | 14:13 |
| blahdeblahN800 | s/bar/bar appears/ | 14:13 |
| infobot | blahdeblahN800 meant: Whenever i use my bluetooth keyboard for a while, this large grey completion bar appears, and i can't seem to get rid of it? | 14:13 |
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| henrique | maemo comes with a default IM application? if yes, which application is that? | 14:16 |
| kulve | google talk? | 14:16 |
| henrique | nah :) | 14:17 |
| kulve | skype is somehow supported. It's there to download by nokia or something | 14:17 |
| kulve | skype is provided by "commercial partner" | 14:18 |
| blahdeblahN800 | henrique: It's a Nokia app that supports Google talk, Jabber, and SIP. | 14:18 |
| kulve | oh yeah, I forgot they added the sip support in os2008 | 14:18 |
| kulve | I haven't yet tried it | 14:19 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Skype is a separate app. | 14:19 |
| henrique | blahdeblahN800, which application is that? | 14:20 |
| blahdeblahN800 | I leave Skype, the default IM chat program, and Pidgin running all the time. | 14:20 |
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| henrique | is it just "default IM chat program" or it has a name? | 14:21 |
| keesj | I strongly belive that the maemo platform really can prove that linux-video calling is ready for the real world. compared to creating a desktop app it's easy because all the hardware is known | 14:21 |
| X-Fade_ | keesj: Did you order a N810 too? | 14:21 |
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| keesj | and video callling is really fun if it is not in the dark computer room | 14:22 |
| blahdeblahN800 | henrique: It's just called "Chat" | 14:22 |
| keesj | X-Fade_: yes, and it is out for delivery! | 14:22 |
| X-Fade_ | keesj: Don't be to pleased. You will get a QWERTZ keyboard. | 14:22 |
| keesj | first thing I will try will be gizmo | 14:23 |
| X-Fade_ | keesj: Nokia packaged the wrong hardware keyboards for NL. | 14:23 |
| keesj | hmmm . happy happy joy joy. | 14:23 |
| X-Fade_ | keesj: The bundle CH,AT and NL versions with the german layout :( | 14:23 |
| blahdeblahN800 | keesj: What's gizmo? I've heard of it somewhere... | 14:23 |
| X-Fade_ | I have just made a claim to replace it, but that needs a lot of communication inside Nokia :( | 14:24 |
| keesj | just google it . it is a viop solution. it workds quite good and is really easy to use. I even manged to video talk with other people and call my own home phone | 14:25 |
| keesj | X-Fade_: I will see how it goes. I guess I will use the device moostly for testing | 14:25 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Cool - i'll check it out | 14:26 |
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| X-Fade_ | keesj: Whatever it takes, they are going to replace mine ;) I'll make sure of that.. | 14:26 |
| keesj | the current downside of gizmo is that the linux desktop client does not support video calling | 14:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | keesj: and skype for desktop supports...haha...it's funny =) | 14:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | (somehow) | 14:28 |
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| keesj | MoRpHeUz: I created two bug reports in the skype jire bugtracker | 14:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe =) | 14:30 |
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| keesj | and now with my brand new machine (acer amd 64) skype on the linux desktop is broken again. lol | 14:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | haha... | 14:31 |
| blahdeblahN800 | What do you need to get a python development environment going for maemo? Can you just start writing scripts and executing them from the command line? | 14:32 |
| keesj | I really don't know who will be the first to provide video over the different platforms (mac/linux/maemo/windos) | 14:32 |
| keesj | blahdeblahN800: on the device itself? | 14:33 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Yeah | 14:33 |
| blahdeblahN800 | I just want to be able to do little bits & pieces of fiddling | 14:33 |
| jkyro | anybody know what happened to gdbm headers? no libgdbm-dev in chinook | 14:34 |
| X-Fade_ | jkyro: They are intentionally left out. | 14:35 |
| X-Fade_ | jkyro: Every lib that is not on the device by default is left out. You should upload those to extras if you require them in your application. | 14:36 |
| keesj | I made a foto of just before i went for holiday, try to count the number of gadgets and say if i really need a qwerty keyboard? http://www.keesj.dds.nl/pc201096.jpg | 14:36 |
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| X-Fade_ | jkyro: They do that to never require a user to use the SDK repositories for clients software installations.. | 14:36 |
| Dist | blahdeblahN800: You need stage.maemo.org, then just apt-get install it | 14:37 |
| keesj | blahdeblahN800: there is a pygtkeditor with a run button | 14:37 |
| jkyro | hmm | 14:37 |
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| X-Fade_ | keesj: Yeah you do ;) | 14:38 |
| blahdeblahN800 | I tried to install pygtkeditor on my system and it failed due to missing dependencies. Is there a way i can see from the command line what is missing? | 14:39 |
| keesj | i guess this pictures tels a lot about me :p | 14:39 |
| keesj | blahdeblahN800: even from the gui there is a menu option showing the log | 14:39 |
| X-Fade_ | keesj: "Woonbootjes" :) | 14:39 |
| blahdeblahN800 | keesj: Thanks - i'll check it out | 14:39 |
| jkyro | X-Fade_: so there's no repository that contains the headers unless people have bothered to upload them? | 14:39 |
| X-Fade_ | jkyro: Yep. But you can take the headers from mistral as those are the same version (in this case) | 14:40 |
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| X-Fade_ | jkyro: But the new policy is to upload every lib that is not on the device by default. | 14:40 |
| keesj | i needed dropjes for during the trip | 14:41 |
| X-Fade_ | keesj: Sure, can't go on a trip without them. | 14:41 |
| keesj | and the tomtom shows where i live | 14:42 |
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| X-Fade_ | keesj: A'dam? | 14:43 |
| keesj | yes | 14:43 |
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| trickie | keesj: hey i work not too far from there | 14:43 |
| keesj | interesting. how far? | 14:45 |
| MoRpHeUz | keesj: are you coming to openbossa ? | 14:45 |
| MoRpHeUz | ops | 14:45 |
| MoRpHeUz | bossaconference | 14:45 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 14:45 |
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| trickie | keesj: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Joan+Muyskenweg,+North+Holland,+The+Netherlands&sll=52.379528,4.884533&sspn=0.008488,0.020084&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,52.331257,4.914196&z=15&iwloc=addr&om=1 | 14:46 |
| trickie | not too far | 14:46 |
| trickie | a few blocks a guess | 14:46 |
| trickie | in the amstel business park | 14:46 |
| keesj | MoRpHeUz: I would love to. but it is not planned yet | 14:47 |
| MoRpHeUz | keesj: it would be nice to have you around! =) | 14:47 |
| keesj | MoRpHeUz: I don't mind either :p. I will try to register for a lighting talk at FOSDEM it hope to show some cool canola/mamona stuff | 14:49 |
| MoRpHeUz | great! =) | 14:49 |
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| dike | hello | 15:02 |
| henrique | it seems that there is no "chat" program in maemo's repositories, all that I find is "osso-chat-ui" | 15:02 |
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| henrique | is there a package somewhere else or somebody knows the package name in repository? | 15:02 |
| dike | anyone can suggest me how to make a simple script to execute 3 line on x terminal? | 15:03 |
| kulve | create it on your desktop, scp to the device, run from the terminal.. | 15:03 |
| dike | on n810? | 15:04 |
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| dike | there is an application to make script on n810? | 15:05 |
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| kulve | vi, piko, notes | 15:05 |
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| kulve | or was it nano, not piko.. | 15:06 |
| wnd | dike, are you thinkin of shell-scripts or something like os x's script creator gui? | 15:06 |
| dike | shell sript | 15:06 |
| pyhimys | dike: cat > yer-script | 15:06 |
| dike | ty ill try to find it | 15:06 |
| dike | i'm so noob on linux :P | 15:06 |
| pyhimys | then type the commands you like | 15:06 |
| pyhimys | crtl-d on a newline when you want to finish | 15:07 |
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| kulve | dike: I think the easiest way is to install ssh server. Then edit the file on your desktop computer and copy it to the device. Then run it from the xterm on the device | 15:07 |
| dike | just a sec | 15:08 |
| dike | i think i explained it wrong | 15:08 |
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| dike | i want's a script to gain root acces | 15:08 |
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| dike | from x terminal | 15:08 |
| kulve | why do you need root access? | 15:08 |
| pyhimys | install becomeroot? | 15:08 |
| dike | alredy intalled | 15:08 |
| dike | don't like to write every time sudo gainroot | 15:09 |
| dike | can make a script to let it auto executing that command for example? | 15:09 |
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| alterego | dike, not to mention it's a security risk :P | 15:10 |
| dike | yes ofc i know | 15:10 |
| dike | :P | 15:10 |
| alterego | dike, I'd suggest edit your /etc/sudoers file to give access to whatever commands your script needs, with the NOPASS option | 15:11 |
| dike | can you explain me how to edit it | 15:12 |
| dike | or is too long? | 15:12 |
| alterego | Just look at the file in a text editor. It's pretty self explanatory | 15:12 |
| dike | with note application installed on n810? | 15:13 |
| dike | thik i can't browse it :/ | 15:13 |
| alterego | No, I'd use 'vi'. | 15:13 |
| alterego | Or 'nano' if you can install it. | 15:13 |
| alterego | The Note application corrupts plain text files with a UTF header. | 15:13 |
| dike | think there is nano | 15:13 |
| alterego | maemopad is probably a better bet. I think that does plain text. | 15:14 |
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| mgedmin | dike, alterego: I strongly recommed using visudo to edit /etc/sudoers | 15:15 |
| mgedmin | it checks for syntax errors and doesn't let you break the system as easily | 15:15 |
| mgedmin | you can use any text editor with it, e.g. EDITOR=nano visudo | 15:15 |
| mgedmin | although I don't know about GUI ones -- maemo uses weird dbus stuff for launching programs | 15:16 |
| dike | where i can get visudo for n810? | 15:16 |
| keesj | trickie: do you work in the embedded world? | 15:16 |
| kulve | mgedmin: I think the apps can be launched normally still | 15:16 |
| trickie | keesj: nah, but hoping to get started soon | 15:16 |
| trickie | keesj: mainly web dev and sysadmin ATM | 15:17 |
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| trickie | fairly interested in the kernel side of things... trying to get systemtap working and some tapsets for profiling stuff like DSP | 15:17 |
| trickie | keesj: you? | 15:18 |
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| hendry | has anyone here packaged up Sun's CDC for chinook? | 15:26 |
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| alterego | As far as I know there is a compiled java virtual machine some where. But it's not debianized or hildonized. | 15:28 |
| keesj | trickie: yes, i switched one year ago (from java/web) and happy ever since | 15:28 |
| keesj | I don't think is even had graphics | 15:29 |
| trickie | keesj: i will have to meet ya at fosdem... pick your brain a bit... i would like to get started properly | 15:29 |
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| Sho_ | Cord: Any changes on your end? | 15:59 |
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| Cord | Sho_: nope. | 16:01 |
| Sho_ | Cord: Me neither. I'm pondering calling the store's support hotline, or have you done that already? | 16:04 |
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| Tak | what's up, maemers? Did somebody write a library over the weekend that makes DSP programming trivial, and also prepares bacon on dbus request? | 16:04 |
| alterego | Tak, well. It was on my todo list. But then I ate pizza and watched some TV. | 16:04 |
| Cord | Sho_: not me but... read http://blogdoch.net/index.php?entry=entry080104-195942 | 16:05 |
| * Tak curses television once again | 16:05 | |
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| Tak | is anybody in here DataPath from ITT? | 16:06 |
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| Sho_ | Cord: :/ | 16:08 |
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| Tak | unique311_: ping gngeo | 16:09 |
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| Cord | Sho_: another collegue also tried it some time ago, but he only earned something like 'we are not aware that there is a discount program', but they promised to investigate. that is now two or three weeks ago. | 16:11 |
| Sho_ | fun | 16:12 |
| matmo | hi all. I have followed wiki "becomeroot" instructions but cannot find the "becomeroot" package. Any ideas? | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | matmo: use some other approach? | 16:16 |
| mgedmin | or look harder? | 16:16 |
| mgedmin | matmo: which OS? | 16:17 |
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| mgedmin | and do you have ssh client/server installed? | 16:17 |
| alterego | Interwesting .. No order tracking .. | 16:17 |
| matmo | mgedmin: hmmm, if I hadn't already spent the last hour trying then I wouldn't be here. 770 with latest 2007HE | 16:17 |
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| matmo | no other packages installed except xterm. Intended for GF so only intend to load least possible for tuning various things | 16:18 |
| Cord | Sho_: but maybe... if you have time to spare ;-) | 16:18 |
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| gnuton | Hi | 16:18 |
| mgedmin | matmo: in that case, why do you need becomeroot? ;) | 16:19 |
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| matmo | to disable metalayer-crawler | 16:19 |
| matmo | ;-) | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | matmo: I've got an old version of becomeroot (0.1) here: http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/mistral/obsolete/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-1_armel.deb | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | there was version 0.2 somewhere that worked differently | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | and perhaps more reliably | 16:20 |
| pupnik_ | Cord: i gave the link to nokia.de in an online feedback form and asked some questions - last week - no response yet | 16:21 |
| pupnik_ | link to maemo discount program to nokia.de | 16:21 |
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| matmo | mgedmin: thanks, I will try your link. Any views on easyroot (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14583)? I am hesitant to install such software from unknown source. | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | I haven't tried it | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | I've tried becomeroot 0.1 | 16:23 |
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| mgedmin | IIRC it modifies /etc/sudoers in postinst and adds a rule that lets you sudo to root with no password | 16:24 |
| matmo | ok | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | becomeroot 0.2 was changed not to muck with /etc/sudoers and instead modifies the /usr/sbin/gainroot script to remove the R&D mode check | 16:24 |
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| mgedmin | nowadays I ssh to root@localhost and edit /etc/sudoers manually | 16:25 |
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| matmo | ok, ssh maybe more flexible option since I can admin her tablet from my PC. Thanks for your help. | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | if you decide to install ssh, don't forget to change the root password | 16:28 |
| matmo | ok | 16:28 |
| X-Fade_ | mgedmin: It forces you to change it on install nowadays.. | 16:29 |
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| mgedmin | X-Fade_: the os2008 version, yes, but was the os2007 version updated? | 16:29 |
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| matmo | doesn't appear to be | 16:29 |
| X-Fade_ | mgedmin: I only use 2008 :) | 16:30 |
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| michele_ | hello I have a brand new N810 and Skype fails to install | 16:31 |
| michele_ | it says it can't find two libraries | 16:32 |
| michele_ | libhildon-something | 16:32 |
| michele_ | what's up? | 16:32 |
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| Tak | has there been a skype release for os2008 yet? | 16:34 |
| X-Fade_ | Sure, several. | 16:34 |
| michele_ | it's in the menu | 16:34 |
| michele_ | I just clicked the icon | 16:34 |
| truls | is os2008 for n800 "supported" now, or still something for early adopters? | 16:34 |
| michele_ | maybe it needs some not-yet-official updates? | 16:35 |
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| X-Fade_ | michele_: No, it should just install. Maybe try it from the application installer? | 16:35 |
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| michele_ | this thing is damn sleek, by the way | 16:37 |
| sKaBoy | michele_, do you have the latest firmware? | 16:37 |
| michele_ | don't know | 16:37 |
| sKaBoy | maybe you need it, don't know :) | 16:37 |
| michele_ | I just unboxed it | 16:37 |
| michele_ | how do I check? | 16:38 |
| mgedmin | truls: it's "supported" | 16:38 |
| mgedmin | i.e. there's an official non-beta release of os2008 for the n800 | 16:38 |
| truls | great | 16:39 |
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| truls | thanks | 16:39 |
| truls | maybe time to move on then | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | yep, it's beautiful | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | and the menus are more convenient | 16:39 |
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| truls | i'm guessing mplayer is available | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | there are downsides, e.g. check if the software you use was ported | 16:39 |
| truls | how? | 16:39 |
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| michele_ | same error... | 16:39 |
| mgedmin | maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 | 16:40 |
| truls | individual project's webpages? | 16:40 |
| truls | ah, thanks | 16:40 |
| michele_ | packages missing: libhildonfm2 >= 1:1.9.49 and libhildonmime0 >= 1.10.1 | 16:40 |
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| truls | that page is so strange though | 16:41 |
| truls | no way to view all 96 entries | 16:41 |
| truls | afaik | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | michele_: IIRC there was one OS2008 update | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | maybe you still have the first version | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | you could check: control panel -> device -> about | 16:41 |
| michele_ | 1.2007.42-19 | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | you'll want to upgrade to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:43 |
| michele_ | thank you | 16:43 |
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| keesj | bugger ups was at my door and i was not in....... | 16:47 |
| Tak | that's why I always leave a bear trap | 16:47 |
| keesj | lol | 16:47 |
| keesj | I was in the whole day , and i just went out for 30 minutes | 16:48 |
| keesj | I want to get on my bicicle and find the damm bus | 16:48 |
| Cord | murphy. | 16:48 |
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| sp3000 | did you see them circling the block waiting for you to leave? | 16:49 |
| keesj | No, all the buses that stopped where white | 16:50 |
| sp3000 | maybe they send those to check if the coast is clear | 16:50 |
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| keesj | probably. and I can't work from home tomorow | 16:51 |
| michele_ | hm the instructions says I have to power on the device while pressing the home button... which is the home button? :) | 16:52 |
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| * sp3000 wonders if there's some flasher software or procedure that actually needs that home key pressed thing | 16:53 | |
| Tak | The one with the picture of the house on it | 16:53 |
| X-Fade_ | michele_: You don't need to do that. Just power it on when usb is plugged in and the flasher running.. | 16:54 |
| sp3000 | at least with the linux flasher all you need is to have the flasher running and waiting when the device is powered up | 16:54 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: There is no house on N810 anymore.. | 16:54 |
| michele_ | X-Fade_: ok | 16:54 |
| sp3000 | there's no house on the N810 :) | 16:54 |
| keesj | yes but they tell about the home button so you at least try it a few times thinking it was you who did not press the button | 16:54 |
| sp3000 | it's a "two overlapping boxes" which I guess resembles "windows" or "applications" concepts or such | 16:55 |
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| keesj | under linux if first start the flasher program, then shutdown the device, remove the power and connect it directly to the computer | 16:56 |
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| michele_ | sp3000: I think they are two windows, thus meaning "switch window" | 16:57 |
| michele_ | at least, it's similar to the icons in Amiga's workbench | 16:57 |
| inz | sp3000, methinks the windows flasher does need the home button | 16:57 |
| inz | sp3000, not that I'd ever used it | 16:58 |
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| Tak | No house on n810? Is there still a button that functions like the home button? | 16:58 |
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| sp3000 | yeah, but the icon emphasizes the short press functionality instead | 16:58 |
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| Tak | that's fine - as long as my apps aren't suddenly going to be (more) broken | 17:00 |
| keesj | hmm A lightning talk is given by one person, who is a developer of the project. | 17:02 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: No, but the menu button moved to the hardware keyboard. | 17:02 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 17:03 |
| lardman | :( no delivery | 17:03 |
| Andy80 | me too | 17:03 |
| * michele_ flashing... | 17:03 | |
| Tak | I may change my mind once I get my hands on a unit, but it seems like the goat was really screwed when it comes to the n810 button layout | 17:03 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Hmm that is weird.. | 17:03 |
| lardman | ~lart ups next alleged day delivery for not coming the next day | 17:03 |
| * infobot whacks ups next alleged day delivery upside the head for not coming the next day | 17:03 | |
| michele_ | ciao Andy80 (pure qua... ;) | 17:03 |
| Andy80 | I just call the customer service... the shipped today | 17:03 |
| Andy80 | michele_: hey :) | 17:03 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: I have to send mine back and I have no idea when I get a new one.. | 17:03 |
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| lardman | X-Fade_: what's wrong with it? | 17:04 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Wrong keyboard layout. Nokia seem to think NL == DE ;) | 17:04 |
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| dhd | lardman: hey - thanks for the help - is there any way to get the TI DSP tools to tell you if you have an unresolved symbol in your .o file? | 17:05 |
| dhd | I kept getting annoying errors last night until I Googled and discovered that was the reason for it... | 17:05 |
| lardman | not the tools, but dsp_dld will tell you | 17:05 |
| Tak | NL, DE, close enough :-P | 17:06 |
| lardman | run "dsp_dld -p" in a different term while you try to load the task | 17:06 |
| dhd | ahh | 17:06 |
| dhd | yeah I was just seeing the cryptic error in the dmesg | 17:06 |
| lardman | it's hit and miss though, you might need to (try) running the task a few times before anything gets printed to the screen | 17:06 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: Sure, but we use qwerty ;) | 17:06 |
| dhd | were you having issues with using const data in your DSP tasks? | 17:06 |
| Tak | interesting | 17:06 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: ah, that's a pita | 17:06 |
| dhd | I'm not having problems but I'm going to be using a lot of it if I port the entire MFCC front-end | 17:07 |
| lardman | dhd: yes, when I read the value of a const array entry it appeared to be 0 | 17:07 |
| dhd | hmm | 17:07 |
| X-Fade_ | And it seems that all sales packages for NL are the wrong keyboard layout :( | 17:07 |
| lardman | just test and see, I think it depends where the const data are stored | 17:07 |
| dhd | yeah I'm not having that problem - you can see that I'm using const arrays for the twiddle factors | 17:07 |
| Tak | awesome | 17:07 |
| lardman | if indeed pre-initialised const data are supported.... | 17:07 |
| dhd | yeah there's some issue with "memory conflicts" according to the c55x data | 17:07 |
| michele_ | seems to be working now, thank you mgedmin et al. | 17:07 |
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| dhd | and you're sometimes supposed to put things in their own section | 17:08 |
| lardman | dhd: yeah, sections allow you to determine what type of memory you place certain data in, and what the alignment of those data are | 17:08 |
| dhd | hmm | 17:08 |
| dhd | well ... like I said, my const data is working fine | 17:08 |
| dhd | so I guess I will keep my fingers crossed :) | 17:08 |
| lardman | dhd: if you have very large structures you'll probably want to place them in a section in the mapped external memory, but that won't be as quick | 17:09 |
| lardman | dhd: good :) | 17:09 |
| dhd | yeah most things are small because I have already optimized them for the ARM | 17:09 |
| dhd | I am using a lookup table for computing fixed-point logarithms and another one for doing addition in log space | 17:09 |
| lardman | dhd: I wonder if my problem was that I maxed out the available memory in the const section (wherever that may be) - this is a vorbis decoder and it's pretty big | 17:09 |
| trickie | keesj: is that the definition of a lightning talk at fosdem? at conferences i have been to previuosly it is usually pretty open | 17:09 |
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| dhd | lardman: yeah ... I feel like it's probably useful to develop things with CCS and the simulator so you can find these things out | 17:10 |
| * dhd eagerly awaits his free CCS evaluation CD | 17:10 | |
| lardman | hmm, I have that, but it didn't really add anything | 17:10 |
| dhd | oh really ... hmm | 17:11 |
| lardman | but then I didn't really try to use it too much - the problem is that you need to use the instrumented Ti kernel to allow the debgugger etc to communicate (afaik anyway) | 17:11 |
| dhd | ahh | 17:11 |
| lardman | Ti dsp kernel that is | 17:11 |
| michele_ | is there any way to read PDFs in portrait mode? | 17:11 |
| dhd | I was under the impression taht there was a simulator... o hwell | 17:11 |
| dhd | maybe you have to pay $3000 for it :) | 17:12 |
| lardman | dhd: I don't think these things are in the Nokia dsp kernel, and certainly Nokia use dspgw rather than the tokliBIOS version, so i was doubtful it would work | 17:12 |
| * dhd suddenly realizes that he is at a major university with an EE department | 17:12 | |
| lardman | that's almost cheating ;) | 17:13 |
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| qos | hey guys ... | 17:54 |
| qos | whats the status of the german discount codes? | 17:54 |
| melmoth | http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=N810&country=DE&add=true | 17:55 |
| melmoth | should work. except if there is no stock on the shop. | 17:56 |
| florian | They did not work this morning... | 17:56 |
| florian | ... do still don't work. | 17:57 |
| florian | s/do/and | 17:58 |
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| qos | omg ... one day or another i am really pissed | 17:59 |
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| lardman | qos: drink less | 18:02 |
| Tak | qos: drink more! much more! | 18:03 |
| lardman | ah, depends whether it's UK or US pissed though | 18:03 |
| michele_ | is sbox2 in the topic somewhat nicer to work with than the old one? | 18:03 |
| qos | lardman, Tak: whats your task here? be the funny guys where you can laugh about? :) | 18:04 |
| lardman | that's it, we add some essential lightheartedness | 18:04 |
| lardman | qos: but I do feel your pain | 18:05 |
| Tak | qos: Also, I annoy people with broken software. | 18:05 |
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| zoran | and missing hardware | 18:05 |
| Tak | Nah, I'm uninvolved with the missing hardware. | 18:06 |
| qos | lardman, you do? | 18:06 |
| lardman | qos: and when I'm not taking the piss I do DSP work, in my spare time | 18:06 |
| qos | Tak, thats a important task :) | 18:06 |
| qos | lardman, then you can't be too important ... | 18:07 |
| lardman | exactly my thinking | 18:07 |
| lardman | but I'm going to start a blog, which will make me far more important, in a karma sort of way anyway :) | 18:08 |
| Tak | btw, that was: I annoy people (with broken software), not: I annoy (people with broken software) | 18:08 |
| lardman | I should of course add the <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> tags around my comment :D | 18:10 |
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| Tak | sarcasm tags are inherently hypocritical | 18:13 |
| lardman | perhaps a sly grin tag then? | 18:16 |
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| jga23 | is there any way to install cron on os2008? | 18:24 |
| zoran | if you port it | 18:25 |
| zoran | or use Cron.pm | 18:25 |
| Tak | why does nobody use anacron? | 18:25 |
| zoran | no need, prob | 18:26 |
| zoran | multimedia rules | 18:26 |
| * Tak scratches head | 18:28 | |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 18:28 |
| jga23 | anybody able to remap fceu keys on os2008? | 18:28 |
| bedboi | anyone knows if there's some way to get the tracking number for nokia orders? | 18:29 |
| lardman | you meant the ups tracking number? I was wondering the same | 18:29 |
| bedboi | i rembember that the other times (n770, n800) they provided the tracking number | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | do us discount codes work already? | 18:29 |
| lardman | bedboi: some people get it, some don't | 18:29 |
| lardman | mgedmin: ups in the uk | 18:30 |
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| bedboi | lardman: so it must be the shitty italian stuff | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | the email that said "your code works now" pretended the US doesn't exist | 18:30 |
| Tak | jga23: if somebody provides a good default set of keybindings, I'll create another config file | 18:31 |
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| mgedmin | so now I'm not sure if I've got a working european code, or if I've got a US code | 18:31 |
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| lardman | mgedmin: no idea, sorry | 18:31 |
| Tak | mgedmin: afaict, US is out of stock | 18:31 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, something on OS2008 keeps popping up the "connect to network" dialogue when no known networks are in range. It then sits there and constantly polls for a wifi connection. I thought it was Modest, but I've disabled it's auto-update and just found it sitting there. | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | Anyone know of a way of identifying who's requesting it of libconic? | 18:31 |
| bedboi | Jaffa: yep, that sucks | 18:31 |
| bedboi | Jaffa: yesterday that bug drained my batteries really fast | 18:32 |
| zoran | Jaffa, ps? | 18:32 |
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| zoran | ps auxc | 18:32 |
| thopieka1 | timeless are you there?? | 18:32 |
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| jga23 | Tak: B - Backspace, A - Enter, Select = -, Start = + | 18:34 |
| jga23 | that's just what I would do | 18:34 |
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| Tak | I wonder what's the best way of distributing a config file that's specific to the n810 only | 18:36 |
| jga23 | offer it as a download in the garage? | 18:36 |
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| Tak | yeah, but it has to be saved into /home/user/.fceultra, which is nonaccessible to the ITOS file browser | 18:37 |
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| jga23 | or post it in the ITT forums, people will find it | 18:37 |
| zoran | any idea about console imap client? | 18:38 |
| sp3000 | Tak: eep, there's no corresponding system config file that you could install based on hw in postinst? | 18:39 |
| sp3000 | (of course if ~/.fceultra never changes that's somewhat academic) | 18:39 |
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| fysa | deb? | 18:40 |
| * sp3000 doesn't know if you're shipping the corresponding software | 18:41 | |
| fysa | wrap the file in a script that echos itself to the proper location | 18:41 |
| sp3000 | such that you could have that tag along, or if this is an addition by a different party | 18:41 |
| fysa | so running it backs up the existing file, then unloads itself | 18:41 |
| Tak | I am shipping the corresponding software | 18:43 |
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| fysa | http://forums.techguy.org/unix-linux/667163-taking-input-line-line-config.html | 18:44 |
| Tak | is there a way to determine what hardware you're running on, scriptastically? | 18:44 |
| sp3000 | lessee | 18:44 |
| fysa | uname | 18:44 |
| fysa | uname -a should work | 18:44 |
| fysa | ish | 18:44 |
| Tak | how is uname -a on n810/os2008 going to differ from uname -a on n800/os2008 ? | 18:44 |
| smcv | fysa: you can change the hostname in the console, if that's your auto-detection... | 18:44 |
| fysa | ah | 18:45 |
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| fysa | you want to load an N810 specific keymap | 18:45 |
| fysa | or such? | 18:45 |
| smcv | and if you're using avahi, it's advantageous to give each device a unique hostname | 18:45 |
| sp3000 | Tak: osso-product-info (you probably need to be root) | 18:45 |
| fysa | not with hostname, smcv -- uname -a includes kernel v | 18:45 |
| smcv | fysa: oh, they have different kernels? | 18:45 |
| fysa | that will let you see os2007 vs os2008, etc | 18:46 |
| fysa | is there anything in /sys? | 18:46 |
| smcv | in that case you want uname -r | 18:46 |
| bill2or3 | /proc/cpu ? | 18:46 |
| bill2or3 | err, cpuinfo | 18:46 |
| fysa | same CPU | 18:46 |
| sp3000 | /proc/component_version is another one | 18:46 |
| fysa | but maybe different stepping | 18:46 |
| fysa | ah | 18:46 |
| fysa | if you can read that without root, you're set | 18:47 |
| smcv | you can | 18:47 |
| smcv | RX-44 is N810, RX-34 is N800 I think | 18:47 |
| Tak | what's going to be different in /proc/component_version? hw-build? | 18:47 |
| smcv | product | 18:48 |
| smcv | I believe RX-?? is the Nokia internal product designation, for which N800/N810 is a marketing name | 18:48 |
| sp3000 | the hw part is visible in osso-product-info without root fwiw, it just complains a bit about not being able to get some of the variables | 18:48 |
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| sp3000 | and you're root in postinst anyway :) | 18:48 |
| smcv | certainly the N800 and N810 images you can download have RX-?? in the filename | 18:48 |
| Tak | 770 is showing SU-18 | 18:49 |
| smcv | and indeed, yeah, maintainer scripts run as root | 18:49 |
| smcv | Tak: well, there you go, identifiers for all three | 18:49 |
| fysa | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz | 18:49 |
| bill2or3 | Tak, are you looking to determine OS version, or the actual hardware device? | 18:49 |
| fysa | possibly script here that has code you can use | 18:49 |
| fysa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-11703.html | 18:49 |
| Tak | bill2or3: device | 18:49 |
| * bill2or3 pokes around on his N800 | 18:49 | |
| smcv | yep, looks like RX-34 is the N800 | 18:49 |
| fysa | grep -q RX-34 /proc/component_version && EVNAME=event2 #n800 | 18:50 |
| fysa | grep -q RX-44 /proc/component_version && EVNAME=event2 #n810 | 18:50 |
| Tak | heh, I just don't know how confident to be that RX-whatever isn't going to change | 18:50 |
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| smcv | Tak: ask a nokian. I think those designations correspond 1:1 with marketing names for products, though | 18:51 |
| fysa | have they ever changed before? | 18:51 |
| * Tak shrugs | 18:51 | |
| sp3000 | (it's also on the back cover compartment sticker) | 18:51 |
| sp3000 | you can take a poll ;) | 18:51 |
| * Tak /msg nokians ${what smcv said} | 18:52 | |
| fysa | probably built into a serial number somewhere | 18:52 |
| sp3000 | and, say, sales package content lists | 18:53 |
| bill2or3 | Tak: /proc/component_version looks like it may be what you're after. | 18:53 |
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| timeless | tak: the 770 wasn't rx-34 :) | 19:00 |
| Tak | ok? | 19:00 |
| timeless | i think it's fairly safe to assume that the n800 will always be rx-34 | 19:01 |
| Tak | actually I'm more concerned about N810 | 19:01 |
| timeless | if nokia releases something w/ another number, there will be /something/ different about it :) | 19:01 |
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| timeless | like the color :) | 19:01 |
| donkey_darko | hi folks, i think all the guides to boot from memeory card are outdated. can someone help me please? | 19:02 |
| donkey_darko | i'm on an n800 with the latest firmware | 19:02 |
| Tak | I can't wait for the brown N810 | 19:02 |
| Tak | you can release it in a bundle with the zune | 19:03 |
| donkey_darko | i've got root, partitioned my memory card but am stuck there | 19:03 |
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| sk | ugh zune | 19:03 |
| bill2or3 | it's like an ipod, but for idiots. | 19:03 |
| donkey_darko | ipod is for idiots too | 19:03 |
| sk | its like a mircosoft product, by microsoft | 19:03 |
| * bill2or3 shrugs. | 19:03 | |
| sk | just stay away from them as much as you can | 19:04 |
| bill2or3 | that whole 'wireless sharing' (suprise, there's DRM!) is so lame. | 19:04 |
| sk | yeah very lame | 19:04 |
| Tak | I thought ipods were already for idiots? :-P | 19:05 |
| donkey_darko | has any of you guys managed to boot from sd on 0s2008? | 19:05 |
| donkey_darko | ipods are overrated. | 19:06 |
| sp3000 | Tak: actually, you may already have $OSSO_PRODUCT_NAME in your environment | 19:06 |
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| Tak | heh, not on 2007HE | 19:07 |
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| sp3000 | could be an OS2008 addition, yeah | 19:08 |
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| * czr peeks | 19:10 | |
| * sp3000 is reminded of the C64 | 19:10 | |
| sp3000 | all that peeking and poking! | 19:10 |
| donkey_darko | can the n800 be overclocked beyond 400mhz? | 19:10 |
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| * czr sends sp3000 a two-color sprite | 19:11 | |
| sp3000 | ooh! | 19:11 |
| * czr sneaks into sp3000's todo list and adds "implement parallax for N810" | 19:12 | |
| * donkey_darko needs help | 19:12 | |
| czr | greetings from red-neck-country | 19:12 |
| * Tak doesn't boot from mmc, doesn't know if n800 can be overclocked past 400MHz | 19:13 | |
| czr | I'm still suprised at all the variety of music that people here can line dance to | 19:13 |
| Tak | czr: which one? | 19:13 |
| sp3000 | heh | 19:13 |
| czr | Tak, USA/GA. | 19:13 |
| donkey_darko | hmm | 19:13 |
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| czr | I'm hiding here from Nokia | 19:13 |
| czr | they'll _never_ know to look for me here | 19:13 |
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| Tak | you must be in rural ga | 19:14 |
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| czr | tak, very. | 19:14 |
| czr | in the woods/marshes near savannah | 19:14 |
| czr | near being relative obviously | 19:15 |
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| Tak | fun | 19:15 |
| czr | it is actually. at least it's warm and sunny and such. compared to .fi | 19:16 |
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| Tak | I'm sure it must be | 19:19 |
| * Tak clearwater, fl | 19:19 | |
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| czr | ah, close enough :-) | 19:19 |
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| moontiger | since none of my students have showed up yet i thought id ask again about nicotine ... it doesnt seem to run | 19:29 |
| moontiger | it installs fine but does nothing when i try to run it | 19:29 |
| moontiger | does anybody know the magic incntations reqd? | 19:29 |
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| fysa | runs and asks for login for me | 19:32 |
| fysa | never made an account though | 19:32 |
| fysa | nice, I'm in Tampa, Tak. | 19:32 |
| fysa | just moved from St. Pete.. | 19:32 |
| Tak | hmm, how about that | 19:32 |
| Tak | yeah, I actually live in st pete; work in clw | 19:33 |
| fysa | was down near Pass-e-grille/a block from the Don CeSar | 19:33 |
| Tak | nice | 19:33 |
| Tak | ...and you moved? | 19:33 |
| fysa | now up in Ybor a couple blocks from Columbia.. wife goes to UT | 19:34 |
| fysa | I work from home.. | 19:34 |
| Tak | ah - she didn't like the drive? | 19:34 |
| fysa | and the commute was getting a bit much with long school + work hours | 19:34 |
| fysa | she was doing 4 10-12 hour sessions | 19:34 |
| * czr was really suprised at the total lack of publis transport here | 19:34 | |
| czr | but I guess it figures.. | 19:34 |
| Tak | czr: yeah, no kidding, it sucks | 19:34 |
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| derf | The US has no public transport. | 19:34 |
| czr | so far I've seen exactly one bicyclist here | 19:35 |
| fysa | DC is pretty nice. | 19:35 |
| Tak | with the minor exceptions of NYC and DC | 19:35 |
| fysa | But nothing compared to Hong Kong still. | 19:35 |
| derf | DC is nice if you happen to live in very specific spots. | 19:35 |
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| derf | I've lived in the DC area for 20-something years, and _never_ lived in one of those spots. | 19:35 |
| czr | in a metro station? | 19:35 |
| fysa | you have to hunt them out specifically, really.. | 19:35 |
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| derf | And they are uber-expensive. | 19:35 |
| fysa | they'll go for more money, but you save it in gas. | 19:36 |
| derf | Because, apparently, everyone else also hunts them out. | 19:36 |
| fysa | and sanity ;) | 19:36 |
| fysa | exactly | 19:36 |
| Tak | I'd skate/bike/jog to work if we had a nice shower facility | 19:36 |
| fysa | where do you work? | 19:36 |
| derf | I work in Fairfax. By design. | 19:36 |
| fysa | Fairfax is nice. | 19:36 |
| derf | But no real public transport. | 19:36 |
| fysa | Tak? | 19:37 |
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| Tak | ? | 19:37 |
| fysa | where do you work? | 19:37 |
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| Tak | oh, haha - I thought the question was directed at derf | 19:37 |
| Tak | US19/ulmerton | 19:37 |
| fysa | I mean, when you're not in your alter-ego maemo superhero form.. what kind of widgets do you smash around? | 19:38 |
| Tak | heh | 19:38 |
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| Tak | we make visual inspection software | 19:38 |
| * czr misread "midgets" | 19:38 | |
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| fysa | gotta run to lunch | 19:39 |
| * Tak only smash around midgets in my maemo superhero form | 19:39 | |
| * czr hides | 19:39 | |
| fysa | ha | 19:39 |
| fysa | facial recognition/biometric type stuff? | 19:39 |
| mbuf | N770 are available in the market? | 19:40 |
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| fysa | http://gizmodo.com/341250/audiovoxs-digital-message-centers-let-you-leave-videos-for-your-family | 19:41 |
| fysa | that's kind of cool. | 19:41 |
| fysa | so many toys at CES | 19:41 |
| Tak | no, more interpretation of different visual patterns on objects | 19:41 |
| fysa | cool | 19:41 |
| czr | real-time tattoo-analyzer to catch those pesky people who have tattooed RC4-128-bit algorithm (128-bit form) on their bodies? | 19:41 |
| Tak | not to mention the Time Code | 19:42 |
| czr | heh | 19:42 |
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| bstock | anyone try getting openvpn running on an 810? mine starts to run but gives a weird error | 19:48 |
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| * lcuk says hello to all the little ppl in his 810 | 20:08 | |
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| henrique | is the chinook's default IM program the one based on telepathy framework? | 20:10 |
| inz | yes | 20:11 |
| henrique | inz, thanks | 20:12 |
| Robot101 | and you can get extra telepathy backends for chinook at http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org | 20:13 |
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| sibbe | \o/, finally got out some statistics which were parseable by bootchart.. | 20:16 |
| sibbe | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-001-mmc_first_try.png | 20:16 |
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| fysa | very cool | 20:17 |
| sibbe | root on memory card, booted with specialized bootmenu and so on.. | 20:17 |
| sibbe | need to clean up these scripts and binaries _alot_ | 20:17 |
| fysa | how is mmc speed with fast sdhc vs internal flash storage? | 20:18 |
| sibbe | playing with initfs is "exciting" | 20:18 |
| sibbe | no clue yet on speeds... i have a regular sd card, and i guess the bootchart-logger slows things down a bit | 20:19 |
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| kulve | sibbe: try with the mmc patches? Afaik, those should speed up most new cards.. | 20:20 |
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| fysa | patches? | 20:20 |
| fysa | that aren't in any official releases? | 20:20 |
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| fysa | link? :) | 20:21 |
| kulve | uhm | 20:22 |
| sibbe | hmm i need some kind of a blog / website to write to... just too lazy to setup any :) | 20:22 |
| fysa | jaiku | 20:22 |
| kulve | fysa: those exist for Bora but I'm not sure if they are ported to Chinook already | 20:22 |
| fysa | what kind of speed improvement? | 20:23 |
| kulve | fysa: http://intr.overt.org/blog/ | 20:24 |
| fysa | nice. RSS is good. | 20:24 |
| sibbe | hmm.. /proc/diskstats shows just zeroes for mtd blocks | 20:24 |
| sibbe | i guess that's a feature | 20:24 |
| fysa | ah | 20:25 |
| fysa | shouldn't that be built in to OS2008 by default? | 20:25 |
| kulve | sibbe: I noticed the same with other arm devices.. | 20:25 |
| fysa | aha | 20:25 |
| kulve | fysa: there are some issues or something which prevents nokia from putting hose there.. | 20:25 |
| fysa | The one remaining patch is the one that enables 48MHz highspeed support. As I’ve mentioned before, the 48MHz mode is not supported by Nokia because they’ve observed problems with it and TI aren’t confident that it really works. So, this patch will never be accepted by Nokia, and I don’t blame them. Nevertheless, it works for me and many other people, so I’ll continue to offer patched kernels here. | 20:25 |
| fysa | http://intr.overt.org/4.2007.38-mmc-kernel/ | 20:26 |
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| fysa | the diffs are there and relatively simple. | 20:27 |
| fysa | http://intr.overt.org/4.2007.38-mmc-kernel/0001-omap2-highspeed.diff | 20:27 |
| kulve | fysa: go ahead, patch and test. And let us and the author know how it went :) | 20:28 |
| fysa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12833 | 20:29 |
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| fysa | Definitely will this weekend. | 20:29 |
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| fysa | Faster swap space would be very welcome. | 20:30 |
| Tak | hehe | 20:31 |
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| sibbe | someone should do usb ram dongles :) | 20:32 |
| fysa | what is the bus speed limit out of USB? | 20:32 |
| fysa | and processing hit for reaching it? | 20:32 |
| fysa | could always try a RAID of SDHC cards.. | 20:32 |
| fysa | what happens if we RAID mmc1 and mmc2? ;) | 20:33 |
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| glass | thats an intresting question :p | 20:33 |
| fysa | I have two 8GB Transcend SDHCs that I could test. | 20:33 |
| fysa | mirrored would probably be a reasonable 'trade-off' | 20:35 |
| fysa | then you could pop one out and still run in degraded (single) mode and have it resync when you plug it back in. | 20:35 |
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| qos | does somebody know how to add an image to a python gtk.button? | 20:39 |
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| lmoura | qos, http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=+lang:python+set_image+button+show:G1_j2uFHF3I:FEDcM_KNO94:uT-nT9INA08&sa=N&cd=1&ct=rc&cs_p=http://users.zenwalk.org/user-accounts/oskar/source/gutenpy-0.3.0.tar.gz&cs_f=gutenpy-0.3.0/GutenPy/catalog.py#first | 20:41 |
| lmoura | search for the "class CatalogButtonBox(gtk.HButtonBox):" | 20:42 |
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| lmoura | there they use gtk.Button.set_image | 20:42 |
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| skibur | anybody using grandcentral.? | 20:45 |
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| sibbe | hmm the maemo bootchart is actually quite funny because dsme starts about half of the stuff.. | 20:54 |
| qos | lmoura, it works if the application gets started without the hildon support (so without run-standalone.sh). any suggestions ... | 20:54 |
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| jga23 | is there any way to data log the gps position of the built in n810 gps? | 20:58 |
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| kulve | jga23: it's pretty simple to make your own.. | 21:00 |
| kulve | but there's gps-saver app too | 21:00 |
| kulve | which is very simple | 21:01 |
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| jga23 | I would write my own, but I don't think the python gps libraries are done | 21:02 |
| * Tak wonders if alterego has done ruby gps libs yet | 21:03 | |
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| penguinbait | I am looking for some help with deb making, whos the guru? | 21:12 |
| penguinbait | <-- Drops Pin | 21:13 |
| * dhd is no guru but knows a few things | 21:14 | |
| rm_you | penguinbait: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | I am making then fine, but my KDE 323MB deb, the appliation manager says its corrupted | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | installs fine on the command line | 21:15 |
| Tak | is it in the group user/something ? | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | is it? | 21:16 |
| penguinbait | the files? | 21:16 |
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| Tak | the deb | 21:18 |
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| Tak | "Section: user/whatever" in debian/control | 21:18 |
| penguinbait | yes | 21:19 |
| penguinbait | Section: user/support | 21:19 |
| penguinbait | is this a problem? | 21:19 |
| Tak | no, that's correct | 21:19 |
| penguinbait | ok | 21:20 |
| Tak | what does the app manager's log show? | 21:20 |
| penguinbait | theres a log | 21:20 |
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| penguinbait | hehe | 21:20 |
| penguinbait | var/log? | 21:20 |
| Tak | menu->Tools->Log | 21:21 |
| penguinbait | doh, I would never have looked there | 21:21 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 21:21 |
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| penguinbait | unable to install, installation file corrupted | 21:23 |
| penguinbait | hmmm. tar write error: no space left on device? | 21:24 |
| Tak | Bam! | 21:24 |
| penguinbait | its not out of space though, and installs via command line fine? | 21:24 |
| penguinbait | does it try to use tmp? | 21:25 |
| Tak | not sure | 21:25 |
| fysa | mediaserv is so amazingly hot. | 21:25 |
| sibbe | probably not, since /tmp is only 0.5MB | 21:25 |
| fysa | 14333kbps MPEG2 1080i of Munich w/DD51 audio -> real-time mencoder -> 340x252 XVID with original audio copied | 21:25 |
| fysa | works instantly. | 21:26 |
| fysa | and with Video Center, you can 'download' to queue up transcodes for the road. | 21:26 |
| penguinbait | when I look at the details in app manager before installing it says "Not Installable" | 21:26 |
| penguinbait | wtf, I mad three debs all basically the same, the only diff is the size of this one, there must be some kind of size limitation in the gui | 21:27 |
| penguinbait | I guess I can make another one with same control but less files, and verify its a size issue | 21:28 |
| penguinbait | thanks TAK | 21:28 |
| Tak | np | 21:28 |
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| lmoura | qos, the code I sent worked here | 21:36 |
| ture | I get "no such target" when I try to run sb-conf select chinook_x86 after following the sdk installation manual on maemo.org | 21:36 |
| lmoura | can you put it in a pastebin? | 21:36 |
| qos | lmoura, there is the methode set_from_stock() used. i am using set_from_file()... could that make the difference? | 21:37 |
| lmoura | maybe | 21:37 |
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| henrique | anyone knows if POIs are particular to wayfinder or if I can get the POI list through something else | 21:38 |
| lmoura | did you try using absolute or relative path (or both)? | 21:38 |
| |R | Anyone remember who was developing a memory card game to learn hiragana/katakana ? | 21:39 |
| qos | lmoura, the relative path. but it works without the run-standalone.sh | 21:40 |
| Tahitibob | hendry, perhaps this : http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=86&Itemid=1 | 21:43 |
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| Tahitibob | henrique, perhaps this : http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=86&Itemid=1 | 21:43 |
| lmoura | qos, even with relative path it worked here. | 21:43 |
| lmoura | what sdk version are you using? | 21:44 |
| Tahitibob | problem with TAB key, ;) | 21:44 |
| * lcuk also has no tabkey | 21:44 | |
| qos | lmoura, did you try the load_from_file() method? | 21:44 |
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| lmoura | gtk.Image.set_from_file? yes | 21:46 |
| henrique | Tahitibob, thanks | 21:46 |
| qos | can u send me the whole relevant code in a pastebin? | 21:47 |
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| d^_^B | :) | 21:49 |
| d^_^B | well | 21:49 |
| lmoura | qos, got it | 21:49 |
| lmoura | I was using only the image | 21:49 |
| qos | soo? | 21:50 |
| d^_^B | umm | 21:50 |
| lmoura | if I create it with a label, using run-standalone.sh shows only the label | 21:50 |
| d^_^B | guys | 21:50 |
| d^_^B | i need the charge the nokia n810 after buy immediately??????? | 21:50 |
| lcuk | db - i charged and played at same time | 21:50 |
| lcuk | it was about half full when it arrived | 21:50 |
| d^_^B | so it dosn't need any charge 8 9 hours the first charge? | 21:50 |
| lcuk | but i didnt see it unplugged for more than a few seconds | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | i left it on charge from dinner time till 5.30 and its been fine | 21:51 |
| lcuk | i switched it on whilst i was hunting for a socket | 21:51 |
| * lcuk is impatient | 21:51 | |
| d^_^B | nono my mean is | 21:52 |
| d^_^B | it really needs the first charge after buy | 21:52 |
| d^_^B | before useing | 21:52 |
| lcuk | i had mine on and was pottering with it | 21:52 |
| lcuk | but charging at same time | 21:52 |
| d^_^B | ????? | 21:53 |
| d^_^B | reply me plz | 21:53 |
| qos | lmoura, do you know a solution? | 21:53 |
| lmoura | qos, I'm taking a look on it now | 21:53 |
| lcuk | i had it charging for its initial charge, but i was also using it whilst it was charging... | 21:53 |
| lcuk | it would not have lasted long with the power that was in it when i got it | 21:54 |
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| lmoura | qos, http://pastebin.com/d1ca0c878 | 22:01 |
| lmoura | the property "gtk-button-images" was set to false on gtk.Settings, hiding all button images | 22:02 |
| lmoura | this examples switches it each time you click the button | 22:02 |
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| florian | re | 22:04 |
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| ravious | does anyone know if the problems with the repositories have been fixed or if their still all broken? | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | rav - you mean where we had to rename them just after 810 update came out? | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | cos if so, all mine are sorted and back to what they should be | 22:12 |
| ravious | I dont know.. Im not sure what caused it. But every time i tried to install something it always said the package was broken | 22:13 |
| lcuk | yer i had that - then i read that if you renamed something in your extras repo it will work - which it did, then it stopped working and i restored back to what it should have been and its worked ever since | 22:14 |
| lcuk | it might be though that you are installing something from a broken repo | 22:14 |
| ravious | ah ok | 22:15 |
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| sp3000 | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/hgffbjuimi./ | 22:18 |
| * sp3000 scratches head | 22:18 | |
| melmoth | I m on maemo2008 scratchbox...Any idea how to tell swig _not_ to use the embedded swig engine (/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/swig) but the one i installed ? | 22:18 |
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| Tak | change the PATH? | 22:20 |
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| melmoth | i changed the path, but it still generate swig file that mention the other version | 22:24 |
| lcuk | sp3000, whats worse is 30 people have downloaded it | 22:25 |
| Tak | What, isn't that a finnish word? | 22:27 |
| melmoth | export SWIG_LIB="/usr/share/swig/1.3.31" is my friend. | 22:27 |
| Tak | aha | 22:27 |
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| qos | lmoura, your sample works for me. but i don't know why. i think it has to do with "settings.set_property". is there a documentation for this? | 22:38 |
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| lmoura | I saw it in the pygtk docs | 22:39 |
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| qos | lmoura, thanks for o | 23:08 |
| qos | lmoura, thanks for your help. got it working ... | 23:08 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | Hi. After a failed map download, my map application won't open, and the application manager won't apply the update to 2.2.6.377-1 because it contains updates to packages from a different source which may harm the system. How can i fix this? | 23:16 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Also, how can i get rid of the grey word completion bar down the bottom of the screen when i use my bluetooth keyboard? | 23:17 |
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| qos | blahdeblah, did u try to uninstall the map app first? | 23:20 |
| tbb | is perl standard on os2008 | 23:21 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | qos: I just uninstalled it now. Is there any reason to choose maemo mapper over the default map application? | 23:28 |
| qos | blahdeblah, try to reinstall it | 23:28 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | qos: OK - any ideas about the choice between the default Map application and maemo mapper? I assume from what i've seen that you have to be online for maemo mapper to work - is that right? | 23:30 |
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| Luria | only for downloading new maps and directions | 23:30 |
| lcuk | blah -try unticking control panel/text input/languages/settings/"next word prediction" and "word prediction" | 23:31 |
| lcuk | ^ word complete i mean | 23:31 |
| Cptnodegard | why does people still have os2007? | 23:31 |
| qos | its more complex than this. but yes, maemo mapper is (in most cases) offline unusable for navigation. so, if you want an navigation system choose the map thing | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | cpt - some apps havent been transfered yet or simple "if it aint broke..." | 23:32 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 23:32 |
| blahdeblahN800 | lcuk: Thx - will i have to turn this off and on when i switch between bluetooth and pen? | 23:32 |
| Cptnodegard | whats hildon, btw? | 23:33 |
| lcuk | blah, it appears so - there appears to be only one set of settings | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | hildon is the main interface/desktop we run on the NIT isnt it? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | hence hildonizing standard linux apps | 23:35 |
| Cptnodegard | dunno, read something about "hildonizing" | 23:35 |
| Cptnodegard | ah | 23:35 |
| * lcuk takes the words out of your mouth | 23:36 | |
| blahdeblahN800 | Bah - map still crashes after a reinstall. | 23:37 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Is there a place it stores settings? | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | are there any python lurkers around? | 23:39 |
| * lcuk asks anyway.. | 23:41 | |
| lcuk | the first line of a lot of python examples looks like this: #!/usr/bin/env python | 23:41 |
| lcuk | does this mean if I set the execute attrib on the file and just enter its name in the console it will execute and run the python interpreter on it? | 23:41 |
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| Knirch | yes | 23:42 |
| Knirch | it's called a shebang | 23:42 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool | 23:42 |
| Knirch | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang | 23:42 |
| Knirch | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) | 23:42 |
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| Knirch | even | 23:42 |
| derf | I've long envied the T-shirt that says: "Hash bang slash bin slash bash." | 23:43 |
| lcuk | thanks knirch, its good to know :) | 23:43 |
| penguinbait | I always likeed the shirts that said "Hash Bash" | 23:45 |
| penguinbait | just drop the bang slash bin slash | 23:45 |
| penguinbait | :) | 23:45 |
| * lcuk prefers slashdot :) | 23:46 | |
| blahdeblahN800 | This map thing is frickin annoying. | 23:46 |
| blahdeblahN800 | It doesn't even seem to store the maps in $HOME | 23:47 |
| lcuk | i dont think the maps are reinstalled with a flash | 23:47 |
| lcuk | otherwise it would need a worldwide map database which would be bigger | 23:47 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Any idea what the map application is called on the command line? | 23:47 |
| lcuk | have you tried map? | 23:47 |
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| derf | maemo-mapper | 23:48 |
| blahdeblahN800 | lcuk: YES. :-| | 23:48 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:48 |
| blahdeblahN800 | derf: No, the default one, not the OSS one | 23:48 |
| blahdeblahN800 | I'm just hoping that i can see some output if i run it from a terminal which might point to the cause of the problem. | 23:48 |
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| * blahdeblahN800 remembers dpkg is installed and pulls out dpkg -L | 23:49 | |
| threethirty | hello all | 23:49 |
| lcuk | hi 330 | 23:49 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | lcuk: It's called navicore, not map | 23:51 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | and it's getting a gtk error: navicore-navigator[3646]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x249410, Home, WLAN_INFRA, 0) | 23:51 |
| blahdeblahN800 | navicore-navigator[3646]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -24 and height 0 | 23:51 |
| * lcuk_2 wonders what happened | 23:51 | |
| threethirty | has anyone here ever crashed a n770 to the point where it sticks on the white nokia screen and wont go any further. the buttons still make noise, but thats it | 23:52 |
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| lcuk_2 | 330 - is it still in warranty | 23:58 |
| lcuk_2 | reading up the 770 WSOD needs a proper fix from nokia | 23:58 |
| threethirty | nope, got it on ebay | 23:58 |
| lcuk_2 | based on what i just found on google you should try nokia but other ppl might have better ideas | 23:59 |
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