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| guerby | found it it's Ctr-C / Ctrl-V | 00:01 |
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| Khertan | Is there a ftp client with gui on os2008 ? | 00:01 |
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| Tak | somebody ported gftp | 00:02 |
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| Tak | also, there's the browser :-P | 00:02 |
| Khertan | Where to ? | 00:02 |
| jsmith | I'm assuming the "maps application not wanting to update" is a known bug? | 00:03 |
| zchydem | if someone is interested in running QTopia Core 4.4 on N800/N810, the instructions can be found here: http://qtablet.laginen.net | 00:05 |
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| zchydem | Now it's time to go bed.. Night folks | 00:05 |
| rm_you | brb | 00:10 |
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| jpt9 | has anyone ever ported a software synthesizer (like ZynAddSubFx) to maemo? it would be quite useful to have a pocket-sized analog modelling synth :-) | 00:14 |
| luron | i compiled a rhythim box that lets you put together sample and drum based loops | 00:15 |
| luron | but it's not really good (in the original version) and the Ui needs rework | 00:15 |
| jpt9 | yeah... | 00:16 |
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| luron | Doing real-time analog modeling would be a bit limited, but a soft-synth that lets you sequence some stuff over a few bars, hear a lo-fidelity preview, and then render the bars would be neat | 00:16 |
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| luron | jpt9: did you ever find anything for linux that seems like a good candidate for a port? | 00:17 |
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| rm_you | yeah that would be neat :) | 00:19 |
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| alterego | They've made some. I wonder if I could buy a couple :D | 00:20 |
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| jpt9 | zynaddsubfx, amsynth... | 00:31 |
| jpt9 | there are a bunch of them... | 00:31 |
| jpt9 | the one issue would be input... | 00:31 |
| jpt9 | and multiple windows... | 00:31 |
| jpt9 | zynaddsubfx has a built-in virtual keyboard, which would work well... | 00:32 |
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| jpt9 | i'm not sure how well they'd fit on the 800x480 screen, though... | 00:32 |
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| luron | hmm i'll look in to those - ty jpt9 | 00:42 |
| jpt9 | thanks. | 00:43 |
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| luron | http://pupnik.de/kitty_no_foodzor.jpg heh, i still love this image regarding waiting for the N810 discount | 00:44 |
| luron | just totally helpless and bummed out | 00:45 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | Does anyone know if there's a status/roadmap page on Nokia's plans for PIM functionality (esp. calendar)? I've downloaded GPE, and it seems pretty OK, but i'd like to make sure i'm working with something that has an appropriate future and roadmap on the N800 platform. | 00:57 |
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| milhouse | There's a general roadmap (http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html) but nothing specific to PIM functionality as far as I'm aware | 00:58 |
| milhouse | I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for PIM functionality from Nokia - they seem dead set against it. | 00:59 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Yeah - seems kinda weird | 01:01 |
| blahdeblahN800 | ANd a Nokia platform without a Java SDK seems very strange to me | 01:01 |
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| alterego | Probably because of google PIM functions and other web based personal organisation tools. | 01:05 |
| alterego | "Internet Tablet" | 01:05 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | alterego: Yeah - i just don't want to share my entire life with Google | 01:05 |
| alterego | Setup your own then. There's plenty of options :) | 01:05 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | alterego: any suggestions? | 01:05 |
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| alterego | Google? | 01:06 |
| alterego | :D | 01:06 |
| blahdeblahN800 | hardeharhar | 01:06 |
| blahdeblahN800 | :-) | 01:06 |
| alterego | Face it, they already own you anyway :P | 01:06 |
| blahdeblahN800 | :-) | 01:06 |
| alterego | If you're interested in PIM apps for the tablets. Keep an eye on "pimloco" | 01:07 |
| blahdeblahN800 | I mean do you have any suggestions about the number of options for setting up my own web-based ones. | 01:07 |
| alterego | Or maybe pimlico | 01:07 |
| alterego | I forget. | 01:07 |
| alterego | No, not really. But I'm sure there are countless numbers of CMS' out there and web apps that have PIM functions. | 01:07 |
| rm_you | I just need a calendar, and I had a decent one for os2007... i forget what it was though :( | 01:07 |
| alterego | Well, the pimloco calendar app is very nice .. | 01:08 |
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| alterego | Other than that there's the gpe suite. Which I've never really been too impressed by. | 01:08 |
| rm_you | i think i was using the GPE one... | 01:08 |
| rm_you | http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/calendar.shtml | 01:08 |
| rm_you | that one | 01:08 |
| alterego | I'd seriously check out pimlico | 01:08 |
| blahdeblahN800 | GPE seems functional, but i'm really interested in sync with a web based one. | 01:09 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Here in .au, there are plenty of places where WiFi is not available, and i need something that works reasonably in offline mode. | 01:09 |
| alterego | http://www.pimlico-project.org/dates.html | 01:09 |
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| alterego | Anyho, bed time. G'night folks. | 01:11 |
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| bill20r3 | has anyone managed to compile carwhisperer, for chinook? | 01:28 |
| rm_you | hrm... i want to install pimlico dates, but the binary is missing from their repository >_> | 01:29 |
| |tbb| | same here | 01:29 |
| |tbb| | rm_you any new experience with a2dp support | 01:30 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: well, with the patched mplayer it seems to work pretty well | 01:30 |
| rm_you | I can play music with no skipping, even in Kagu | 01:30 |
| rm_you | and videos work too! | 01:30 |
| rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=119070&postcount=42 | 01:31 |
| rm_you | test that deb if you can | 01:31 |
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| |tbb| | i will give it a try when i am getting my headphones back. do u think there is a chance a2dp works native with os2008? | 01:32 |
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| rm_you | errr | 01:33 |
| rm_you | well, not with the DSP | 01:33 |
| rm_you | so it is still going to be a hack | 01:33 |
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| rm_you | and it will stay that way until Nokia gets around to implimenting it themselves, since to my knowledge the DSP is either closed source or very very tricky? i'm not sure exactly | 01:33 |
| dospod | hey | 01:34 |
| |tbb| | really sad that wifi and dsp is closed source | 01:35 |
| rm_you | >_> | 01:35 |
| rm_you | reminds me of SD on the Zaurus | 01:35 |
| rm_you | basically brought development to a halt | 01:35 |
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| dospod | i wis | 01:36 |
| dospod | i hope more apps get ported to maemo | 01:36 |
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| Dist | rm_you: I wonder if mplayer has some switch to disable writing that status crap to stdout =D | 01:37 |
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| Dist | Ah, "--quiet" | 01:39 |
| rm_you | you can put "really-quiet=1" | 01:39 |
| rm_you | in config | 01:39 |
| rm_you | or | 01:39 |
| rm_you | --really-quiet | 01:39 |
| dospod | any idea when a ms office format app is gonna be released for maemp | 01:39 |
| dospod | maemo* | 01:40 |
| Mousey | *shudder* | 01:41 |
| Mousey | say, won't gnumeric open xls files? | 01:41 |
| dospod | i want doc files supported | 01:42 |
| Mousey | if you save your spreadsheets as ods, then gnumeric will open them, i bet. [pivot tables and all ])] | 01:42 |
| Mousey | oh | 01:42 |
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| Mousey | looks like there was abiword once upon a time [another odf supporter] but it seems to be unmaintained on maemo | 01:44 |
| dospod | what happened to abi word | 01:45 |
| Mousey | donno, thread i googled said it hasn't been maintained since OS2005 | 01:45 |
| rm_you | I had it on my n800 for 2007 | 01:45 |
| rm_you | but it didnt work well | 01:45 |
| dospod | abi word would be cool | 01:46 |
| Mousey | you could always install GarnetVM and use the plethora of Palm doc readers, i suppose | 01:46 |
| rm_you | I hate the addition of this language button on the stylus vboard... | 01:46 |
| rm_you | i keep hitting it by accident | 01:46 |
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| rm_you | and it pops up a menu and lags >_> | 01:46 |
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| dospod | is garnetvm available for os2008 | 01:47 |
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| Mousey | yep | 01:47 |
| dospod | i might have to do that then | 01:47 |
| bill20r3 | How is it, is it usable enough to replace my palm? | 01:47 |
| bill20r3 | (yes, I still use a palm) | 01:47 |
| rm_you | it works GREAT, *but* | 01:47 |
| Mousey | no clue, haven't tried it yet myself. but being a treo owner, i'm intrigued completely =) | 01:48 |
| rm_you | it is very small, since they only allow portrait mode | 01:48 |
| Mousey | weird | 01:48 |
| bill20r3 | that's weak. | 01:48 |
| rm_you | yeah | 01:48 |
| dospod | still useable | 01:48 |
| Mousey | hey, it's good to hear it's usable tho | 01:48 |
| rm_you | if it could rotate 90 degrees it would actually be exactly palm sized :P | 01:48 |
| Mousey | and >320x320 is useless anyway | 01:48 |
| bill20r3 | I'd have allready tried it if I didn't have to fork over my email address to download it. | 01:48 |
| * bill20r3 hates that. | 01:48 | |
| Mousey | fork? | 01:48 |
| dospod | but no onscreen keyboard right? | 01:48 |
| rm_you | bill20r3: www.dodgit.org | 01:48 |
| rm_you | err | 01:48 |
| rm_you | www.dodgit.com | 01:49 |
| * bill20r3 looks | 01:49 | |
| rm_you | or, sec | 01:49 |
| Mousey | oh, like pookmail | 01:49 |
| Mousey | i'd love to see their mail.info files | 01:49 |
| rm_you | http://www.access-company.com/cgi/gvm_nseries.cgi?action=download_eula_now&which=N810 | 01:49 |
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| rm_you | they have really weak security | 01:49 |
| rm_you | i dont think they care | 01:50 |
| rm_you | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n810.deb | 01:50 |
| Mousey | ty! | 01:50 |
| rm_you | interesting tho, if you saw n800 it will download for os2007 >_> | 01:50 |
| rm_you | s/saw/say/ | 01:50 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: interesting tho, if you say n800 it will download for os2007 >_> | 01:50 |
| * Mousey <3s his hardware keyboard | 01:51 | |
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| rm_you | i have a bluetooth one | 01:51 |
| rm_you | wow.... i thought Modest looked like a cool email client... | 01:51 |
| rm_you | but so far it refuses to get any of my mail | 01:51 |
| bill20r3 | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n800.deb | 01:51 |
| rm_you | and is being utterly cryptic | 01:51 |
| bill20r3 | ^^ the actual link | 01:51 |
| Mousey | wow, it's small | 01:51 |
| blahdeblahN800 | Mousey: what kind of keyboard do you have? | 01:51 |
| Mousey | blahdeblahN800: the N810 | 01:52 |
| rm_you | bill20r3: what OS do you have? | 01:52 |
| Mousey | =) | 01:52 |
| blahdeblahN800 | :-) | 01:52 |
| bill20r3 | IT2008 | 01:52 |
| rm_you | bill20r3: then you need the one i linked, the n810 version. the n800 one is built for os2007. | 01:52 |
| bill20r3 | on an N800 | 01:52 |
| bill20r3 | ahh, ok. | 01:52 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | I was very pleasantly surprised at how well my Dell (thinkoutside) bluetooth keyboard worked with my N800. Better than with my Axim X50v! | 01:53 |
| dospod | bbl battery dead | 01:53 |
| rm_you | yeah, i have a thinkoutside | 01:53 |
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| qos | doesn anyone know how to convert a file to a base64 string? | 01:53 |
| Mousey | qos uuencode? ^_^ | 01:53 |
| blahdeblahN800 | rm_you: they're very fragile, in my experience, but the feel is surprisingly good for such a small keyboard. | 01:53 |
| rm_you | yeah | 01:53 |
| rm_you | i broke off the tablet stand (rather, one of my drunken friends did, lol) but i didnt use it anyway | 01:54 |
| rm_you | the rest of it feels fairly sturdy i think | 01:54 |
| blahdeblahN800 | What model do you have? | 01:55 |
| qos | Mousey, how do i use it? | 01:55 |
| Mousey | man uuencode | 01:55 |
| Mousey | =) | 01:55 |
| Mousey | oh wait, no man pages in maemo | 01:55 |
| * Mousey complains | 01:55 | |
| blahdeblahN800 | rm_you: I have an XTBT01, and the PDA stand broke in two while it was sitting on my desk in its foam packaging. | 01:55 |
| qos | Mousey, i can google for it ;) | 01:55 |
| Mousey | cat filename.whatever | uuencide | 01:56 |
| Mousey | cat filename.whatever | uuencode > filename.uue | 01:56 |
| Mousey | or something | 01:56 |
| Mousey | i haven't used it in years | 01:56 |
| blahdeblahN800 | rm_you: (folded up, that is) | 01:57 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:57 |
| rm_you | XTBT01 also | 01:57 |
| blahdeblahN800 | I wasn't laughing. :-( | 01:58 |
| kbsingh | so kids, here is a lesson to remember - dont bid on shit at ebay till you read the whole article post | 01:59 |
| * kbsingh is the proud owner of a class-2 minisdhc 8 gig card | 01:59 | |
| kbsingh | :( | 01:59 |
| blahdeblahN800 | kbsingh: now that's an LOL | 01:59 |
| Mousey | kbsingh: holy crap | 01:59 |
| kbsingh | i did get it for like 8 bucks though | 01:59 |
| Mousey | m8gb mini?! | 01:59 |
| blahdeblahN800 | :-) | 02:00 |
| Mousey | mini 8gb? | 02:00 |
| Mousey | not micro? | 02:00 |
| kbsingh | but a class2 device. | 02:00 |
| Mousey | i donno what that means | 02:00 |
| kbsingh | Mousey: yes, all in the interest of science and all that .. | 02:00 |
| kbsingh | Mousey: its the slowest one you can get these days | 02:00 |
| Mousey | i didn't know miniSD came in 8gb | 02:00 |
| Mousey | oh | 02:00 |
| blahdeblahN800 | kbsingh: Isn't "read the whole thing first" the #1 rule of eBay? :-) | 02:00 |
| kbsingh | blahdeblahN800: is it ? I havent ebayed much, just the odd thing here and there. maybe 2 buys in 6 months average | 02:01 |
| blahdeblahN800 | kbsingh: Not good for an N800 swap file then? ;-) | 02:01 |
| rm_you | lol $1 per GB isnt bad for flash :P | 02:01 |
| kbsingh | rm_you: + 17.5% vat and 2 bob for shipping. but yes, the price isnt bad, is why i clicked through it. | 02:01 |
| kbsingh | btw, $friend and I got Fedora8 on a EEE pc today, quite nice. specially since you can get a 16 gig flash card, drop it in, and lvm the whole thing to get 20 gigs local storage on there | 02:03 |
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| Mousey | kbsingh: 32bg SD on horizon! | 02:04 |
| Mousey | gb, i mean | 02:04 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:04 |
| Dist | rm_you: Ok, I'm running mplayer with avi video (400x300, ~500kbps) -> xv, mp3 audio @ 24kHz, 2ch, 48kbps -> mad -> alsa -> a2dp, works very nicely | 02:04 |
| kbsingh | humm.. all i want is working fuse and sshfs on the n810, thats me done | 02:04 |
| rm_you | if i were going to put anything on an EEE it would be something super lightweight like debian, heh | 02:05 |
| rm_you | but i guess its personal preference | 02:05 |
| rm_you | ooooo fuse/sshfs... mmm | 02:05 |
| rm_you | :) | 02:05 |
| rm_you | the stuff I run is... err... lemmie look | 02:05 |
| kbsingh | rm_you: you can get fedora down quite lightweight as well. the setup we got on there booted faster than the preinstalled Xandros stuff. but i guess this is OT here | 02:05 |
| kbsingh | what i would also like actually is host mode usb on the n810 :D | 02:06 |
| kbsingh | that should open a few interesting doors | 02:06 |
| bill20r3 | and how. | 02:06 |
| Dist | I want my atmel programmer hooked up to that =D | 02:07 |
| Dist | Wireless programming, mmm | 02:07 |
| bill20r3 | :-) | 02:07 |
| rm_you | i heard it was fairly simple, no? host mode usb? didn't they basically enable it? | 02:07 |
| kbsingh | rm_you: define 'they' | 02:08 |
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| kbsingh | its not enabled in the kernel thats running on the os2008 | 02:08 |
| rm_you | :( | 02:08 |
| kbsingh | and i saw a path for os2207<varient> | 02:08 |
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| kbsingh | that did not look like gill bates would be happy with it | 02:08 |
| rm_you | ? | 02:08 |
| shack008n | gaaaaah Browser be damned | 02:09 |
| kbsingh | shack008n: telnet is the future! | 02:09 |
| rm_you | Dist: this is my encoding scheme for my n800: abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 | 02:09 |
| kbsingh | rm_you: https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ | 02:10 |
| shack008n | at least telnet doesn't drain my battery at 100% cpu | 02:10 |
| Mousey | hmm, | 02:11 |
| shack008n | rm_you: i've tried to transcode videos on the fly at a smaller size from my laptop to the n800, but none of the options i tried would work | 02:12 |
| Mousey | anyone know why i can't xfer files back and forth from n810 to treo700p? | 02:12 |
| Mousey | (via bluetooth) | 02:12 |
| rm_you | shack008n: you use mediaserv? | 02:12 |
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| rm_you | it works quite well for me | 02:12 |
| shack008n | rm_you: i was just using vlc | 02:12 |
| Dist | rm_you: I've got similar, maybe fps 25 and vbitrate a bit less than you have there.. Yeah, but this vid was crap to start with.. | 02:13 |
| shack008n | rm_you: (vlc can stream and transcode) | 02:13 |
| rm_you | yeah | 02:13 |
| shack008n | rm_you: what's this mediaserv? | 02:13 |
| rm_you | i've never liked VLCs transcoding though.... | 02:13 |
| rm_you | and as you said, it didn't work :P | 02:13 |
| shack008n | rm_you: heh | 02:14 |
| rm_you | https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ | 02:14 |
| rm_you | ack | 02:14 |
| shack008n | rm_you: i could get only audio | 02:14 |
| rm_you | sorry, wrong pastebuffer | 02:14 |
| rm_you | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html | 02:14 |
| rm_you | it's really sweet | 02:15 |
| shack008n | rm_you: cool | 02:15 |
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| shack008n | rm_you: and can i skip back and forth? | 02:16 |
| rm_you | no :( unfortunately, streams like this don't let you skip | 02:17 |
| Dist | Oooh, those sysfs nodes exist on N810 without any modifications | 02:17 |
| Mousey | holy!!! | 02:17 |
| Mousey | THIS is how i'll integrate it into my mythtv setup!! TY!! | 02:17 |
| rm_you | ? mediaserv? | 02:18 |
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| Mousey | ^_^ | 02:22 |
| jpuderer | Does anyone here have a pinout for the gold pads next to the battery on the n800? | 02:22 |
| Dist | jtag? | 02:23 |
| jpuderer | Well, some of them are serial pins. If there is JTAG, it would certainly be nice to have the pinout. | 02:24 |
| Dist | Ah, right | 02:26 |
| shack008n | i miss opera :/ | 02:27 |
| rm_you | same | 02:27 |
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| shack008n | anyone with an n800 can try if this page makes their browsers cry? (my cpu bar is all blue) | 02:29 |
| shack008n | http://www.beppegrillo.it/2008/01/la_giustizia_di.html | 02:29 |
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| sparr | trying to sell my 770s, anyone buying? | 02:30 |
| shack008n | frack, i'll see it via vnc :( | 02:31 |
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| rm_you | loaded fine here, heh | 02:33 |
| rm_you | wow, youtube works inline with 2008 | 02:34 |
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| rm_you | very badly, but it does, lo | 02:34 |
| rm_you | *lol | 02:34 |
| shack008n | not so badly | 02:34 |
| rm_you | VEEEERY laggy on mine | 02:35 |
| rm_you | unwatchable | 02:35 |
| shack008n | i watched a couple of vids yesterday night | 02:36 |
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| dospod | hey | 02:42 |
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| jga23 | is there a vnc viewer for os2008? | 02:45 |
| dospod | i belive so | 02:46 |
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| jga23 | I know there was one for os2007, but I can't find it for 08 | 02:53 |
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| qos | jga23, yes there is | 03:01 |
| qos | its called "vncviewer" | 03:02 |
| qos | and you can find it here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119 | 03:03 |
| rm_you | hrm, still need my clock applet, then i'm good | 03:04 |
| jga23 | qos: thanks | 03:04 |
| qos | has anyone noticed, that you can use icq, aim & msn with the new OS2008? | 03:05 |
| jga23 | without pidgen? | 03:05 |
| qos | jga23, yeah | 03:06 |
| jga23 | does it work with google chat? | 03:09 |
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| qos | is googlechat supported by pidgin? | 03:12 |
| jga23 | yeah | 03:12 |
| qos | is google chat the same as google talk? | 03:13 |
| jga23 | yep | 03:13 |
| qos | so i think it is | 03:13 |
| dospod | how can u use aim without pidgin | 03:14 |
| Mousey | meebo! | 03:14 |
| qos | dospod, http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ look for "Telepathy-haze" | 03:14 |
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| rm_you | i need a statusbarclock >_> | 03:42 |
| rm_you | i guess i will try to port it | 03:42 |
| rm_you | looks like development on it died | 03:42 |
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| dospod | yea more apps | 03:51 |
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| ReverseGTR | rm_you: wouldn't a program like a statusbar clock be pretty much completed and not be chipset dependent? | 04:09 |
| rm_you | yeah but it is UI dependent | 04:09 |
| rm_you | IE, it installs, but it royally borks the UI :P | 04:09 |
| rm_you | i mean, it REALLY explodes | 04:09 |
| ReverseGTR | rm_you: I am sure it has to do with the resolution of the image and is the app skinnable? | 04:11 |
| rm_you | no idea | 04:11 |
| rm_you | i'm trying to build it and it looks like it is built on deprecated or renamed hildon libs | 04:12 |
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| celesteh | yo | 04:32 |
| celesteh | is the maeo repository still on winter break or is it back up now? | 04:32 |
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| jga23 | is there a way to access gpe todo db from python using libtododb? | 04:49 |
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| celesteh | good question! I don't know the answer, though and it seems like everybody is idle | 04:56 |
| Fang64 | lol | 04:56 |
| Fang64 | anyone have trouble with skype having audio issues like breaking up | 04:57 |
| celesteh | one non-idle person! | 04:57 |
| Fang64 | on the N800 running OS2008 | 04:57 |
| Fang64 | indeed | 04:57 |
| Fang64 | gizmo seems to work | 04:57 |
| celesteh | i don't know the answer to yours either | 04:57 |
| Fang64 | but skype seems to have some issues | 04:57 |
| celesteh | is the repo back up? I didn't want to go to 2008 while it was on winter vacation | 04:58 |
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| Fang64 | uhm | 05:02 |
| Fang64 | yes | 05:03 |
| Fang64 | but I seem to have sound issues | 05:03 |
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| Fang64 | I thought about uninstalling and reinstalling skype | 05:05 |
| Fang64 | but I've done some hackish things | 05:05 |
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| Fang64 | to get some programs installed | 05:05 |
| Fang64 | it would break the packages | 05:05 |
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| Fang64 | didn't realize they re-released OS2008 | 05:12 |
| blast007 | Fang64: have you tried Skype on a PC to see if it's something with your connection itself? | 05:16 |
| blast007 | it'd at least narrow down where the issues could be | 05:17 |
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| hniceman | nokia? | 05:55 |
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| dospod | hey | 05:56 |
| hniceman | yes? | 05:56 |
| dospod | just saying hello | 05:57 |
| hniceman | could you give me some quick info? | 05:57 |
| dospod | depends | 05:57 |
| dospod | ill try though | 05:57 |
| hniceman | well yesturday i got a irc channel for nokia software today its gone? | 05:58 |
| dospod | i dont understand | 05:58 |
| hniceman | great thanks | 05:59 |
| dospod | elaborate more | 05:59 |
| hniceman | where do i go to get nokia apps for my phone on here ? | 06:00 |
| dospod | maemo isnt for phones | 06:00 |
| hniceman | i see that | 06:00 |
| dospod | this is for the nokia tablets | 06:00 |
| dospod | so your not gonna find phone software here | 06:01 |
| dospod | your going to find tablet software here | 06:01 |
| hniceman | wow really ????? of course i wont | 06:01 |
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| dospod | hey doc | 06:07 |
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| Fang64 | blast007: my connection works for skype just fine, if your curious my desktop has no connection issues, it acts like it's a cellphone breaking up | 08:12 |
| oil | huh? | 08:15 |
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| moontiger_ | hi ... doesanyone know how to get xchat installed on the n810? | 08:17 |
| rm_you | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/xchat_2.8.4-chinook0-beta1_armel.deb | 08:20 |
| moontiger_ | wow thanks | 08:23 |
| moontiger_ | are there any dependencies i need to know about? | 08:23 |
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| rm_you | don't know | 08:25 |
| rm_you | if there are, it will tell you when you try to install it | 08:25 |
| moontiger_ | ok thnx | 08:25 |
| moontiger_ | :) | 08:25 |
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| unique311 | rm_you is 2.8 hildonize? | 08:31 |
| moontiger_ | sorry ... i haveanother question too if thats ok | 08:31 |
| moontiger_ | the eclipse plug-in for scratchbox doesnt seem to work properly ... is that a known issue? | 08:31 |
| oil | hi, do you know if there is a gsm/amr codec available for n810? | 08:31 |
| moontiger_ | or did i stuff something up? | 08:31 |
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| unique311 | moontiger_, xchat installed without problems... | 08:37 |
| kulve | oil: I think amr encoder/decoder is there. Closed source. | 08:37 |
| moontiger_ | thnx unique :) | 08:38 |
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| oil | kulve: I'm trying to get n810 to work with my asterisk. seems to have wierd problems.. but it could be also the server itself | 08:41 |
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| user__ | nice! using it now thnx guys :) | 08:45 |
| user__ | anick lauren | 08:47 |
| user__ | ooops | 08:47 |
| unique311 | i can see how xchat would be much better on the n810 | 08:48 |
| Unique311_N811 | typing with onscreen kb sucks. | 08:48 |
| moontiger_ | its actually really nice ... im logged on with itnow | 08:48 |
| unique311 | n800 or 810? | 08:49 |
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| *** Unique311_N811 changes topic to "Fuck yeah..." | 08:50 | |
| unique311 | ok, that was a mistake. | 08:50 |
| unique311 | i didn't know that i could change the topic. | 08:51 |
| oil | unique311: once again.. whole year full of Mondays? ;) | 08:51 |
| *** unique311 changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook" | 08:51 | |
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| unique311 | sorry for that mistake | 08:52 |
| unique311 | i thought only ops can change topics. | 08:52 |
| oil | unique311 don't worry about that. mistakes happen. if there are no mistakes, there is nothing new created. | 08:54 |
| unique311 | i was thinking | 08:54 |
| unique311 | wow, i can change what shows in the topic in xchat for my viewing. | 08:55 |
| unique311 | lol | 08:55 |
| unique311 | 249 people saw what i wanted my topic to say. | 08:55 |
| oil | in finland we tend to go drink loads of vodka, go to sauna with workmates.. and then tell what we really think. purifying experience :) | 08:56 |
| unique311 | hmm...in america we skip all that and just tell them what we really think. | 08:57 |
| unique311 | maybe not in america | 08:57 |
| unique311 | in NYC that is. | 08:57 |
| vegai | Have they cancelled the Maemo $100 N810 dev program or something? | 08:57 |
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| derf | In America we don't think. | 08:57 |
| unique311 | did the n810 even hit the markets yet? | 08:57 |
| unique311 | don't hear much about it. | 08:58 |
| vegai | about a month ago | 08:58 |
| unique311 | wow | 08:58 |
| unique311 | thought the biggest news was chinook for december. | 08:58 |
| vegai | or two weeks, perhaps. But before christmas anyway | 08:58 |
| unique311 | actually the servers not working was pretty good news | 08:59 |
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| unique311 | hey konttori, i can't seem to install the ukmp anymore. | 09:00 |
| unique311 | when are ya going to fix this | 09:00 |
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| konttori | hmm... looking into it now. | 09:01 |
| unique311 | well got it to install now. | 09:02 |
| konttori | what was the problem? | 09:02 |
| unique311 | before i was getting a hildon-l?? | 09:02 |
| unique311 | missing | 09:02 |
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| konttori | odd... perhaps missing repo | 09:03 |
| unique311 | perhaps. its fixed now. | 09:04 |
| unique311 | pretty happy with my IT now, i have my conalos, kagus, ukmps, videocenters... | 09:05 |
| unique311 | what more can i ask for. | 09:05 |
| unique311 | what i've been asking for for a long time i guess, a descent paint app. maemopad+, xournal is not cutting it. | 09:06 |
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| konttori | yeah. paint app would be good | 09:07 |
| konttori | there was a good one for the 770 back in the days | 09:07 |
| konttori | but now it's gone | 09:07 |
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| Fang64 | uhm skype still acting up | 09:23 |
| Fang64 | I wonder if it has to deal with libglade being replaced | 09:24 |
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| guardian | where in the world is the kernel source ? :) | 09:52 |
| guardian | even more exciting than carmen san diego ;) | 09:52 |
| Fang64 | lol | 09:52 |
| Fang64 | so the SDK doesn't include kernel sources? | 09:53 |
| Fang64 | or is it in the sources repo | 09:54 |
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| LoCusF | kernel-source-rx-34 | 09:56 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:54 |
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| Fang64_ | defnitely morning | 11:10 |
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| blithe | Anyone know the name of that application dock that sits at the bottom of your screen for quick app launching? | 12:09 |
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| blithe | I saw a screenshot of it awhile back, but forgot to note the name. | 12:10 |
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| hahlo | what should i put in parameter for flasher-3.0 to disable rd-mode? | 12:11 |
| timeless | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=94459&postcount=2 seems to explain how to un rd mode | 12:12 |
| timeless | otoh, from memory, just running flasher(3) w/ no params gives help | 12:13 |
| timeless | as seen in http://news.nopcode.org/pancake/post_62.html | 12:13 |
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| ustunozgur1 | is there a way to make quick searches using "g asd" or "w asd" as in desktop opera? | 12:18 |
| ustunozgur1 | using the address bar | 12:18 |
| timeless | ustunozgur1: if you type more than one word, it'll automatically use google... | 12:18 |
| ustunozgur1 | ok thanks | 12:19 |
| ustunozgur1 | in os2008 i suppose? | 12:20 |
| timeless | in a current microb i suppose | 12:20 |
| ustunozgur1 | b/c no good on os 2007 | 12:20 |
| ustunozgur1 | ok | 12:20 |
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| hahlo | apparently just change 'enable' to 'disable' what features doesn't work in non-rd-mode? | 12:22 |
| timeless | ideally you lose green boot text, rd-flags, and the ability to use a passphrase for root | 12:23 |
| timeless | ssh keys still work for root | 12:23 |
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| adamspiers | is it just me or does Chinook not let you connect to hidden WLANs via the GUI? some hackery involving iwconfig or similar required? | 12:31 |
| timeless | you have to use connection manager | 12:31 |
| timeless | which is very much a gui | 12:32 |
| adamspiers | ah | 12:32 |
| adamspiers | ah, found it | 12:33 |
| adamspiers | missed it 1st time | 12:33 |
| adamspiers | thanks! | 12:33 |
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| hahlo | ok, and gain more battery life disabling rd-mode | 12:38 |
| timeless | you're welcome to measure that :) | 12:39 |
| blithe | What's rd-mode again? | 12:39 |
| hahlo | how much more, is there powertop for os2007? | 12:39 |
| hahlo | btw is there any throughly guide somewhere howto hack n800? | 12:40 |
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| hahlo | I have found only this and samekind of pages| http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=security&seqNum=249&rl=1 | 12:42 |
| hahlo | but would need more deep hacks | 12:42 |
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| kulve | hahlo: you can do pretty much with the device.. There's no point telling *everything* on some wiki page. Most of the stuf is just normal linux "hacking" | 12:53 |
| kulve | hahlo: what do you want to do? | 12:53 |
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| hahlo | kulve: hmm. just change it diffrent I guess. | 13:24 |
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| Jaffa | hahlo: you can do that ;-) | 13:32 |
| kulve | yeah, there's a "change theme" option in the home menu ;) | 13:33 |
| hahlo | No, I ment more profound, custom kernel + boot loader, windowmanager and normal things everybody do with pc-linux. | 13:34 |
| kulve | hahlo: that was a joke | 13:34 |
| hahlo | ah, ok :) | 13:35 |
| kulve | custom kernel is trivial (when they release the latest sources). You can't mess with the boot loader, that's closed. You can play with the windowmanager, but I'm not sure if there's much need for that | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | e.g. penguinbait has had KDE and WindowMaker running | 13:36 |
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| hahlo | can I give any options to bootloader, like splash=verbose | 13:37 |
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| Jaffa | R&D mode puts some splash screen verbosity up | 13:38 |
| kulve | I think those has nothing to do with the bootloader but initfs | 13:38 |
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| timeless | maemo-devel has a patch to the kernel which may or may not be the complete patch set | 13:40 |
| timeless | i don't cross reference the kernel, so i don't know if it is | 13:40 |
| timeless | (the kernel is not part of the main build system...) | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | Hence, presumably, the lack of source | 13:41 |
| kulve | timeless: that was just some dsp related patch | 13:42 |
| timeless | did i mention not knowing anything about kernels? :) | 13:42 |
| hahlo | so I cannot compile custom kernel to os 2007/2008? | 13:43 |
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| kulve | hahlo: you can, but the latest sources for the kernel (2008) hasn't been released yet | 13:43 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:44 |
| Cptnodegard | :D:D:D:D:D | 13:48 |
| Cptnodegard | got a post notice to go pick up the n800 ^^ | 13:48 |
| lardman | urgh, I only saw the n8 bit and thought it was about the n810! | 13:49 |
| lardman | :) | 13:49 |
| Cptnodegard | im in norway - and i ordered the n800 form a store here a day before i ordered a leather case for it from china. both came today >.< | 13:50 |
| hahlo | kulve: ok, good to know. i always did that with familiar-ipaqs | 13:50 |
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| Tak | bonjour! | 13:56 |
| keesj | coucou | 13:57 |
| Tak | coujoub? | 13:59 |
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| keesj | how many people speak french here? | 14:04 |
| * keesj does | 14:04 | |
| * Jaffa parle un petit peu de franÂcais | 14:05 | |
| * Tak parle un petit peu aussi | 14:06 | |
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| guerby | blah blah français | 14:07 |
| guerby | bonne année keesj | 14:07 |
| * Tak poniard guerby a l'ecossais | 14:07 | |
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| Cptnodegard | where do i find software version on the 800? | 14:32 |
| EY | OS version? | 14:32 |
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| Cptnodegard | yes | 14:32 |
| EY | Control Panel -> About Product | 14:33 |
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| Cptnodegard | thx | 14:33 |
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| Tak | are you the Cptnodegard from #anythingbutipod? | 14:34 |
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| Cptnodegard | yes | 14:35 |
| Tak | cool - greetings | 14:35 |
| Cptnodegard | ^^ | 14:35 |
| Cptnodegard | abi people are everywhere :D | 14:36 |
| Tak | indeed - although I never did end up getting a cowon player | 14:36 |
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| |tbb| | i wonder if it is possible to get the hardware keyboard of n810 automaticly switch to numbers if iam in a input box where only numbers will be allowed. on microb and on maemo ported apps. could anyone write a bug for that | 16:21 |
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| Cptnodegard | YES!" | 16:37 |
| Cptnodegard | my usb otg cable works' | 16:37 |
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| EY | is there a dvorak keyboard layout for os2008? so, i can use my BT keyboard with the n800. | 16:42 |
| Tak | anybody feel like being a gngeo guinea pig? | 16:42 |
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| |tbb| | Cptnodegard: what device you have and what u have device u have plugged on the nxxx | 16:43 |
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| Cptnodegard | just got my n800. updated to os2008, and tested the cable i made for it. crucial flash pen and logitech ps2 keyboard with a ps2-usb adapter both mounted and works | 16:46 |
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| shackan | Cptnodegard: otg on the n800 ? | 16:49 |
| Cptnodegard | yes, with os2008 | 16:49 |
| Cptnodegard | you just have to hack together an adapter (for auto sweitching to otg), or do it manually (which i have no idea how you do, had the thign for two hours xD) | 16:50 |
| |tbb| | now we need an microusb 2 native usb cable converter | 16:51 |
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| Cptnodegard | yeah... much simpler with 800 since it has miniUSB | 16:52 |
| inz | Cpt, is there a way to umount the stick via UI? | 16:53 |
| Cptnodegard | um didnt try | 16:53 |
| Cptnodegard | just pulled it out | 16:53 |
| Cptnodegard | connected to PC now so cant try | 16:54 |
| Cptnodegard | http://captain-odegard.com/n800/PICT0719.jpg | 16:54 |
| Cptnodegard | overkill, anyone? | 16:54 |
| Tak | I prefer a larger monitor :-P | 16:55 |
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| Cptnodegard | laptop is a hassle :p | 16:56 |
| Vulcanis | Your mo-- Its not even worth it at this hour. | 16:56 |
| tsavola | 5 pm? | 16:58 |
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| anders_ | What is status of n810 in european shops and developersprogram code? | 17:00 |
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| kulve | anders_: no status, afaik | 17:01 |
| kulve | for the code | 17:01 |
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| anders_ | Ok, then I haven't missed anything during my vaccation I guess. | 17:01 |
| sk | Cptnodegard: hehe nice pic | 17:01 |
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| kulve | anders_: you havent :/ | 17:02 |
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| sp3000 | kulve: so does hildon-mime-summon launch an image the first time if you add the good old sleep(5) at the end? :) | 17:13 |
| kulve | sp3000: I haven't tried.. | 17:13 |
| Tak | that sounds like the best spell ever | 17:13 |
| * Tak Summon Dire Mime | 17:13 | |
| Cptnodegard | gmonna sound utterly stupid but where do i get programs like mplayer, which isnt in the list? | 17:13 |
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| kulve | sp3000: I think it did show the image for me in the first try, but it didn't play the mp3 until the second launch.. | 17:14 |
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| sp3000 | Cptnodegard: were you looking for http://gronmayer.com/it ? | 17:18 |
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| Cptnodegard | nice thx | 17:18 |
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| |tbb| | wow -> http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:21 |
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| |tbb| | does this means i can irc from built in IM | 17:22 |
| Tak | hmm, that's pretty nice if so | 17:24 |
| Blafasel | Since pidgin supports irc I'd carefully guess that you can, yes | 17:24 |
| |tbb| | yeah, thats what i call an internettablet | 17:25 |
| ptman | what? finally, I've got to try this out | 17:26 |
| |tbb| | Telepathy-salut: should work for adhoc connection, hehe my n800 will be a spycam then ;) | 17:28 |
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| sk | mines a toiletcam | 17:30 |
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| sk | haha | 17:30 |
| Cptnodegard | got some q's... 1: the camera thing in the repository, what does it do? 2: mplayer and x-chat, not out for os2008? | 17:30 |
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| Tak | the camera app takes still shots | 17:33 |
| kulve | Cptnodegard: you can take (bad quality) shots with the camera app | 17:33 |
| Tak | I thought there was a 2008 release of maemo-xchat | 17:33 |
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| zoran | Tak, I found irssi working perfect on my 770 | 17:34 |
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| pierlux | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/libx/libxt/libxt-dev_1.0.5-2osso1_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch <-- someone can help me? | 17:34 |
| * Tak shrugs | 17:34 | |
| Tak | I prefer xchat | 17:34 |
| zoran | k | 17:35 |
| Tak | plus I wrote a fairly involved xchat plugin that I like to use :-P | 17:35 |
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| kulve | pierlux: try using "repo.maemo.org" instead of "repository.maemo.org"? | 17:35 |
| zoran | on mailing list people declare the problem was solved | 17:36 |
| kulve | it seems that it still is not for all | 17:36 |
| zoran | or not? | 17:36 |
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| pierlux | seems to work | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | Cptnodegard: mplayer for chinook is in extras-devel | 17:38 |
| pierlux | whats the diff between repo and repository? | 17:38 |
| zoran | server | 17:38 |
| pierlux | ok | 17:38 |
| zoran | as I know | 17:38 |
| kulve | pierlux: there's some problems with akamai caches and it caches only "repository.maemo.org" | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | WTF does rtcomm need red pill? | 17:39 |
| kulve | *.maemo.org seems to be the same thing, but not cached.. | 17:39 |
| guardian | http://pastebin.com/d65e46aeb i'm having an error: Extraneous text after `else' directive at line 5 | 17:40 |
| guardian | any idea by chance ? :( | 17:40 |
| kulve | Jaffa: maybe because it's not an official release..? | 17:40 |
| inz | guardian, your make doesn't suppot else ifeq | 17:43 |
| guardian | it's make 3.80 | 17:43 |
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| inz | guardian, does this work: http://pastebin.com/m582dc524 | 17:44 |
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| Cptnodegard | Jaffa: thanks found it. xchat is in maemo hackers... and the extras dev thing says not for normal use. meaning no point in installing? | 17:44 |
| inz | Cpt, there's some better xchat somewhere | 17:44 |
| guardian | inz: haha, make 3.80 takes your version but now make 3.81 rejects it :) | 17:45 |
| |tbb| | what is less cpu-power eater, a python script which should fire up an event (a script for example) every minute or a bash script? | 17:45 |
| inz | guardian, *doh* | 17:46 |
| Cptnodegard | inz: like where? need an irc client | 17:46 |
| guardian | inz: complains about a missing endif :( | 17:46 |
| inz | Cpt, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 17:46 |
| zoran | |tbb|, probably shell script | 17:46 |
| zoran | python could be a hog on smaller device | 17:47 |
| Cptnodegard | wowzor o.o | 17:47 |
| ||cw | depends on what the script does, but python will have more overhead | 17:47 |
| ||cw | some things are very inefficient to do in bash, requiring calling out to other binaries | 17:48 |
| guardian | inz: in fact your version doesn't work, it just ended before for other reasons | 17:48 |
| zoran | how it goes to make bash default on 800/810? | 17:48 |
| zoran | I stranded myself with bash and scirocco | 17:49 |
| Tak | python will definitely use more memory than a bash script | 17:49 |
| ||cw | edit the passwd? | 17:49 |
| zoran | ||cw, and I changed a line or two in shells file | 17:50 |
| zoran | and killed the 700 | 17:50 |
| lardman | hmm, I can't install the rtcomm installer | 17:50 |
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| Robot101 | lardman: what happens? | 17:51 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I guess it doesn't have a "Section: user/...", hence the need for red pill mode (bad bad bad instructions) | 17:52 |
| lardman | it wants libhildonmime0 1.10.1 | 17:52 |
| ||cw | zoran: a users shell is set by passwd | 17:52 |
| lardman | I only have libhildonmime0 1.10.0-1 | 17:52 |
| lardman | shame, as it looks quite cool - more backends to the built in IM | 17:53 |
| lardman | unless I've screwed up somewhere I guess we need to wait for that to be fixed, or for the updated libhildonmime0 to be added to extras | 17:53 |
| shackan | lardman: hi | 17:54 |
| lardman | hi shackan | 17:54 |
| zoran | ||cw, I knew, but overdone it | 17:54 |
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| shackan | lardman: dsp question, from the ml it looks like the dsp can actually run more tasks in parallel, does it have more hardware execution paths internally or what ? | 17:55 |
| zoran | ||cw, chsh should be enough, but was not | 17:55 |
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| shackan | (or does it just fake it like single core processors do?) | 17:55 |
| lardman | shackan: it's threaded | 17:56 |
| inz | guardian, it worked the last time I tried it | 17:56 |
| shackan | lardman: cool, how many ? | 17:56 |
| inz | guardian, but it's been a while | 17:56 |
| lardman | shackan: so it uses processor interrupts (I presume) to give each thread a time slice | 17:57 |
| shackan | ahhhh ok | 17:57 |
| lardman | shackan: no idea how many is the maximum, but it may be 255 (I seem to remember seeing that somewhere) | 17:57 |
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| shackan | but they execute concurrently and not in really parallel, right? | 17:57 |
| shackan | *really in | 17:57 |
| lardman | shackan: doesn't everything unless it's got more than one core? ;) | 17:58 |
| shackan | yeah | 17:58 |
| Cptnodegard | does pidgin have irc? | 17:58 |
| lardman | Cptnodegard: yes iirc | 17:58 |
| guardian | inz: i meant your altered version of the makefile extract :) | 17:58 |
| |tbb| | it has | 17:58 |
| lardman | shackan: why do you ask? | 17:58 |
| shackan | lardman: but it could have had more 'hardware threads' like the niagara chips etc :) | 17:58 |
| Cptnodegard | ^^ | 17:58 |
| inz | guardian, ahh that one | 17:59 |
| shackan | lardman: just curious, I was interested if it had true parallelism | 17:59 |
| lardman | shackan: ah, i see. I don't know then, but from reading the docs it looks like there are threads of different priorities - from hw interrupt handler, sw handler, device driver, task, idle task, etc. | 17:59 |
| inz | guardian, well, then you're bummed ;) | 17:59 |
| guardian | inz: make is such a bliss ... :) | 17:59 |
| lardman | shackan: some operations can be parallelised, but not entire threads (I don;t think anyway) | 18:00 |
| * Tak shake head @ ITT | 18:01 | |
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| |tbb| | i wonder if it is possible to get the hardware keyboard of n810 automaticly switch to numbers if iam in an input box where only numbers will be allowed. on microb and on maemo ported apps. could anyone write a bug for that | 18:02 |
| zoran | it depends of software, not kb | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | Tak: what in particular? | 18:03 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Yes it has irc ^^ | 18:04 |
| zoran | someone knows repository for palm (garnet vm) apps? | 18:04 |
| zoran | free, of possible | 18:04 |
| zoran | *if | 18:04 |
| shackan | you should really ask palm :D maemo doesn't distribute palm programs | 18:05 |
| zoran | I know | 18:05 |
| zoran | and all of them look pretty stupid to even think to install | 18:05 |
| Tak | heh, just the gaming forum | 18:05 |
| zoran | shackan, we are talking about garnet vm for maemo | 18:06 |
| shackan | i know | 18:06 |
| zoran | :) | 18:06 |
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| Tak | not ITT itself, but some of the posts thereon | 18:06 |
| zoran | not that I need it | 18:06 |
| |tbb| | zoran could u write a bug for improvment for next os update | 18:06 |
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| zoran | hm, I'm still on 770 | 18:07 |
| zoran | it is not so valuable | 18:07 |
| * luron_ waves the 'better dpad!' flag in the corner | 18:07 | |
| zoran | |tbb|, my first wish would be os behaving just like any "normal" one | 18:08 |
| zoran | no sudo | 18:08 |
| Tak | luron_: have you tried the new gngeo? | 18:08 |
| zoran | n810 could be run just in console, I think | 18:08 |
| luron_ | sorry tak, not yet | 18:09 |
| luron_ | looks great by all accounts though! | 18:09 |
| Tak | not a problem - just wondering if I'm the only one for whom the onscreen buttons show up before blanking | 18:09 |
| alterego | I take it there's still no news on the device program discount codes? | 18:09 |
| luron_ | was just going to ask about that :0 | 18:09 |
| * alterego 's email has been down for the past couple of days. | 18:10 | |
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| Jaffa | zoran: all "normal" OSes protect the root account through sudo (or similar) | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | alterego: correct. | 18:10 |
| zoran | alterego, I had an issue with mail today | 18:10 |
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| zoran | Jaffa, I have no sudo on my boxes | 18:10 |
| alterego | zoran, my mail issue has now turned into a full server issue ;) | 18:10 |
| zoran | :( | 18:10 |
| alterego | All my machines have sudo .. | 18:10 |
| alterego | I don't even know the root passwords ^_^ | 18:10 |
| zoran | I had conversation with experts | 18:10 |
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| alterego | I think you mean "experts". | 18:11 |
| zoran | you even cannot believe what was said | 18:11 |
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| zoran | alterego, yes | 18:11 |
| zoran | and they just need my mail pass | 18:11 |
| zoran | nothing else | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | Well, if you want to run privileged stuff on a single user box (such as the tablet), sudo is obviously the better solution than running the device as root. If you've a better idea, I'd be interested... | 18:11 |
| zoran | I gave them all error logs | 18:12 |
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| zoran | Jaffa, I msut to say the same | 18:12 |
| alterego | That's why I make sure everything is encrypted .. | 18:12 |
| zoran | but don't liek it | 18:12 |
| sk | Jaffa: word, running around as root is a no no | 18:12 |
| sk | do you irc as root? | 18:12 |
| sk | plz say yes | 18:12 |
| zoran | glp | 18:13 |
| * sk loads up CANVAS | 18:13 | |
| sk | -= ] | 18:13 |
| Tak | hehe, I like to set the username that gets exposed via IRC to "root" | 18:13 |
| sk | haha | 18:13 |
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| zoran | if eee could make it all debian, n810 could too | 18:13 |
| Jaffa | Eee is Xandros and has nowhere near the level of software sophistication or integration as Maemo. | 18:14 |
| zoran | not that it should be done | 18:14 |
| sk | random question: I want to setup a wireless cam w/net access to monitor my puppies at home, can anyone recommend a good camera? | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | And moaning about package upgrades is useless, since Diablo or Elephanta are going to bring in in-place system upgrades. | 18:14 |
| zoran | ah, eeeos | 18:14 |
| zoran | Jaffa, there is a custom debian for eee, named eeeos | 18:15 |
| zoran | I don't have eee | 18:15 |
| zoran | it is easier, since it is i386 | 18:15 |
| * Jaffa does. a) it's a community effort; see Mamona for the equivalent on the N8x0s; b) it's basically a cheap & cheerful x86 laptop, so it's easier | 18:15 | |
| zoran | you like it? | 18:16 |
| lardman | shackan: this is about the dsp/bios, but I think the dspgateway is based on this: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru423f/spru423f.pdf | 18:17 |
| lardman | s/think/assume | 18:17 |
| zoran | the only app I like for palm is wordnet like program | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | zoran: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/12/07/asus_eee_701_pc_psion_netbook_nokia_n810 - short version: the N810 is much more interesting | 18:17 |
| zoran | no alike for maemo, I think | 18:17 |
| zoran | Jaffa, k | 18:17 |
| alterego | I hate swik .. | 18:19 |
| alterego | I hate it soooo much. | 18:19 |
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| shackan | lardman: ok, so "Multithreaded programs run on a single processor by allowing higher-priority threads to preempt lower-priority threads and by allowing various types of interaction between threads, including blocking, communication, and synchronization", it's definitely single threaded, thanks for sharing :) | 18:20 |
| shackan | alterego: what's swik ? | 18:20 |
| ||cw | similar to digg | 18:21 |
| alterego | It's some crappy meta word search engine thing. | 18:21 |
| lardman | shackan: np. But it's not cooperatively "multithreaded" it's preemptive afaict | 18:21 |
| ||cw | but less social | 18:21 |
| sp3000 | Jaffa: the rest of the article looks a bit Eval error: Can't call method "previousMonth" on unblessed reference at /home/jaffa/lib/www/perl-cache/besse_home_jaffa_bleb_writings_diary_index_html.pm line 30. in | 18:21 |
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| * Tak head explodes | 18:22 | |
| Jaffa | sp3000: oh yeah, my diary needs tweaking since we crossed a year boundary | 18:22 |
| LoCusF | what was the filename corresponding sources.list in N810+ | 18:22 |
| LoCusF | ? | 18:22 |
| LoCusF | ah found it | 18:23 |
| lardman | anyone looked at the powervr driver any more? | 18:23 |
| Jaffa | sp3000: fixed. thanks. | 18:24 |
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| Cptnodegard | quick final question... your supposed to use "lock touch screen and buttons" instead of shutting it completely down, the n800? | 18:25 |
| Cptnodegard | read somethign liek that somewhere | 18:25 |
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| lardman | yes that's right | 18:25 |
| Cptnodegard | kk, thx :D | 18:26 |
| sp3000 | yeah, booting is relatively slow, and power saving works well provided you don't have anything too evil running | 18:26 |
| lardman | or indeed anything at all | 18:27 |
| lardman | even the notepad app sucks power and I wouldn't have thought that does much | 18:27 |
| sp3000 | I made this weird perl thing that acts like an incrementlly listing 'top' | 18:27 |
| Cptnodegard | on os2007 it shut down the screen immediately when using that option, doesnt on 2008 - only dims it., maybe i touched some settings xD | 18:27 |
| sp3000 | so it lists on line per hour, whoever consumed most cpu since that process was last reported | 18:28 |
| |tbb| | what is the diffrence between running gps_saver in daemon mode instead of fire up the gpssaver with gps_saver -anyoption & | 18:28 |
| zoran | sp3000, what app? | 18:28 |
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| sp3000 | zoran: see the "I made this weird perl thing" part | 18:28 |
| Cptnodegard | is there process information like on windows? | 18:28 |
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| Cptnodegard | for what uses cpu etc | 18:29 |
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| zoran | sp3000, perl calling top from time to time? | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | sp3000: sounds good. Would be good to advertise on maemo-devel, cos every time it comes up the suggestion is to do a binary search of your applications, which isn't really feasible. | 18:29 |
| sp3000 | Cptnodegard: there's 'top' you can run in terminal, three's a gui app somewheres too I believe | 18:29 |
| Cptnodegard | ah nothign noob friendly then, not that important | 18:30 |
| sp3000 | zoran: I was pulling bits from /proc/*/stat directly but top -bn1 mmight be a better source | 18:30 |
| |tbb| | anyone familar with gps_saver | 18:30 |
| zoran | sp3000, any link to source? | 18:30 |
| sp3000 | yes, $HOME/in/inctop.pl | 18:30 |
| zoran | :) | 18:31 |
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| sp3000 | http://nullfield.dyndns.org/~tt/inctop.pl.txt too | 18:32 |
| sp3000 | it uses the times including waited-for kids, on the theory that someone could be spawning workers every now and then so sampling once per hour could miss them | 18:33 |
| sp3000 | the downside is it'll list init every now and then ;) | 18:33 |
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| sp3000 | also keying by pid alone could get weird eventually in a long run, it should probably discard bias for a pid if it's > the current value | 18:37 |
| lardman | derf: you about? | 18:38 |
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| zoran | sp3000, I had connection break; my isp is just doing that from time to time; have time to take a look | 18:38 |
| zoran | k, I have somewhere perl module of cron | 18:40 |
| zoran | it could be handy in this case | 18:40 |
| zoran | alterego, what would you say about provider having mail delevering 70-80 % of time? | 18:44 |
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| derf | lardman: Yes. | 18:46 |
| Tak | I'd say the same thing I would about a restaurant that only delivered my food 70-80% of the time | 18:46 |
| zoran | people deny the problem at all | 18:48 |
| zoran | and the server is down right now | 18:48 |
| zoran | they work on win and take hired linux guru for from time to time maintainance | 18:49 |
| lardman | derf: I was wondering a couple of things, all to do with the length of buffers, etc. I've sorted the bit reading code (I think), but was just wondering if buffers happen to be an even number of octets long? | 18:49 |
| derf | No, there's no such requirement. | 18:50 |
| lardman | derf: also, the crc code, is that used to calculate the crc of things other than the header (I presume so)? If so, does it need to handle odd numbers of octets? | 18:50 |
| lardman | oh, ah well I'll need to alter the code a bit to make sure odd numbers of octets will work with it | 18:51 |
| derf | The CRC code computes the checksum of an entire page. | 18:51 |
| derf | It needs to handle odd numbers of octets. | 18:51 |
| lardman | ok, I must have been lucky so far with even numbers of octets in my pages :) | 18:51 |
| rm_you | lardman: what are you working on? I dropped into this conversation late :) | 18:51 |
| lardman | rm_you: tremor decoder on dsp | 18:51 |
| rm_you | ah. I thought the DSP stuff was either closed or just very very tricky... i guess the answer is that it's tricky? :P | 18:52 |
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| lardman | annoying more than tricky | 18:52 |
| lardman | 16bit bytes | 18:53 |
| rm_you | >_> | 18:53 |
| Tak | well...after 3 years of ITs, we still have zero released third-party dsp software | 18:53 |
| Tak | I'm going to go with annoying AND tricky | 18:53 |
| rm_you | is it possible to do *encoding* in the DSP? | 18:53 |
| lardman | rm_you: yes | 18:54 |
| lardman | Tak: I have a day job too | 18:54 |
| shackan | rm_you: of course | 18:54 |
| rm_you | so theoretically, a2dp encoding in the dsp would be possible? | 18:54 |
| shackan | rm_you: just pay lardman enough to quit his job | 18:54 |
| Tak | lardman: no blame on you; you're doing great stuff | 18:54 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:54 |
| lardman | rm_you: yes, someone was asking about collaborating on that, I've not heard back from him, will have to send an email | 18:54 |
| shackan | rm_you: sure, encoding from what (pcm?) to what tough? | 18:55 |
| rm_you | i'd be interested in working on that... | 18:55 |
| rm_you | though i'd have a lot of research to do on how a2dp works >_> | 18:55 |
| lardman | Tak: is there interest in the community to do these things I wonder? I have a vorbis task which runs but has some bugs to be ironed out with the bit/byte reading code, likewise an mp3 task | 18:55 |
| Tak | I was just saying that, if it were easy, there would be a bunch of people doing stuff for it | 18:56 |
| zoran | they work on win and take hired linux guru for from time to time maintainance | 18:56 |
| zoran | uh, sorry | 18:56 |
| Tak | because that's like half our cpu power sitting there not being used mostly | 18:56 |
| shackan | Tak: at least it saves power :) | 18:56 |
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| lardman | If I started a garage project, stuck the code there and instructions as to how to get a toolchain up and running (which is already on the wiki), would people like to help? | 18:56 |
| rm_you | I'd at least take a look | 18:57 |
| Tak | I'm sure | 18:57 |
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| Tak | I'd like to move fceu's audio decoding into a dsp task | 18:57 |
| rm_you | I was looking into a2dp dsp stuff, but i couldn't really find anything even about how difficult it would be | 18:57 |
| shackan | me too, I mean, I only got as far as running the _ridicolous_ TI setup program and saved the archive | 18:57 |
| lardman | ok, when I get home I'll setup a page and stick the code & description of where I'm at up | 18:57 |
| lardman | rm_you: probably not terrible. The main issue is 16bit byte, 32bit ints have odd endianness (which may or may not make a difference) and long long is only 40bit | 18:58 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:59 |
| rm_you | that seems really random | 18:59 |
| Tak | it would be nice to have dsp toolchain optionally part of standard sbox installation | 18:59 |
| shackan | oh also, anyone tried sbox 2 ? | 18:59 |
| lardman | rm_you: depends what the code does though; the 16bit byte might not be a problem is everything is 16bit data; it's when you look at bit addressing that it becomes confusing | 18:59 |
| shackan | was announced on jan 1st | 18:59 |
| lardman | Tak: the license agreement with Ti is probably a problem; also it's an x86 toolchain so no need for scratchbox except to create the arm-side binaries | 19:00 |
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| Tak | I haven't gotten around to setting up a sbox2 env | 19:03 |
| Tak | meh, TI's so moronic about licensing | 19:03 |
| lardman | does anyone happen to know what processor the original Neuros had in it? I can't seem to Google anything useful | 19:05 |
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| kulve | lardman: do you have a blog? I would like to read about your experiments from a blog :) | 19:15 |
| lardman | kulve: no, nothing like that, though I could do with something | 19:16 |
| lardman | kulve: I'll setup a garage project with mailing list then I can post to that | 19:16 |
| kulve | well, mailing list is a bit different.. You are experimenting with all kinds of cool projects (dsp, power vr, etc) and some random notes about your findings and opinions would be interesting read | 19:17 |
| lardman | yeah, perhaps I'll tack something onto my uni page; otherwise just ask :) | 19:18 |
| kulve | but I'm not forcing or anything. Just happened to say that out loud.. | 19:18 |
| Tak | difficult to hold a gun to someone's head via irc | 19:19 |
| * Tak write xchat plugin | 19:19 | |
| alterego | Heh | 19:19 |
| * alterego holds a gun to your head. | 19:19 | |
| |tbb| | where can i find help for simple bash scripting? | 19:20 |
| fugitivo | on google | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | Google? | 19:20 |
| |tbb| | on irc, btw. | 19:20 |
| rm_you | goooooogle :/ | 19:20 |
| alterego | :/ | 19:20 |
| alterego | tldp.org has good Bash tutorials | 19:20 |
| rm_you | or here possibly? I mean... i do bash :P | 19:20 |
| fugitivo | discount codes working in belgium | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | Not in the UK | 19:20 |
| alterego | Discount codes are working in Belgium? | 19:21 |
| |tbb| | rm_you: you havent said that ;) | 19:21 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:21 |
| fugitivo | http://www.jan-jansen.be | 19:21 |
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| rm_you | you didn't ask...till now. and then i said it :P | 19:21 |
| fugitivo | that guy used the code | 19:21 |
| * Tak will wait for official email rather than attempting to brute-force the servers | 19:21 | |
| |tbb| | i would like to say, you better havent said that ;) | 19:21 |
| alterego | Oh, that's cool. | 19:21 |
| * alterego checks his discount code. | 19:22 | |
| rm_you | lol | 19:22 |
| fugitivo | can't enter codes in nokiausa | 19:22 |
| |tbb| | my discount code worked allready, i get the n810 direct from nokia online shop | 19:22 |
| lardman | I just checked and it's not working for me | 19:22 |
| |tbb| | just 459 Euros | 19:22 |
| alterego | "The coupon code that you have entered is invalid" | 19:22 |
| lardman | :) | 19:22 |
| fugitivo | |tbb|: where are you from? | 19:22 |
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| |tbb| | my discount code is my creditcard number ;) | 19:23 |
| fugitivo | oh :) | 19:23 |
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| lardman | so what blog providers do people recommend? | 19:24 |
| rm_you | i don't get why they are being so... slow about that stuff | 19:24 |
| alterego | I might flash my N800 from OS2008 beta to OS2008 proper in a bit :D | 19:24 |
| alterego | Is there a VNC client for OS2008? | 19:24 |
| rm_you | i mean, they give you a "discount", and then you are basically slave wage labor :P | 19:24 |
| fugitivo | the n810 is backordered in nokiausa | 19:24 |
| rm_you | alterego: yes | 19:24 |
| Jaffa | lardman: ping maddler for a blog at maemopeople.org | 19:24 |
| |tbb| | fugitivo why that | 19:24 |
| fugitivo | i don't know | 19:25 |
| alterego | I can't find it .. | 19:25 |
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| rm_you | alterego: sec i downloaded it yesterday... | 19:25 |
| lardman | Jaffa: good plan, thanks | 19:27 |
| lardman | maddler: ping | 19:27 |
| unverbraucht | does somebody know what exactly happens when you change connectivity settings in the control panel? | 19:28 |
| unverbraucht | i assumed it would be dbus signals, but dbus-monitor shows nothing | 19:28 |
| rm_you | alterego: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Working_2008_OS_Software | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I don't think he's actually at a computer at the moment | 19:28 |
| rm_you | alterego: its under utilities | 19:29 |
| Tak | unverbraucht: maybe gconf keys | 19:29 |
| unverbraucht | Tak, right, should have thought of that | 19:29 |
| unverbraucht | do you know a quick way to check this? | 19:29 |
| Tak | heh, not offhand | 19:30 |
| unverbraucht | ok, i'll hack at it, thanks :) | 19:30 |
| lardman | Jaffa: ok, thanks | 19:31 |
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| rm_you | Jaffa: have you experimented with x264 at all? | 19:32 |
| rm_you | on n800 that is | 19:32 |
| lardman | kulve: I'll collate my thoughts and blog it all :) | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: not really | 19:33 |
| rm_you | hrm >_> i tried last night with no real luck... even like 20 fps and 600bitrate was too laggy to play more than a couple frames before freezing up | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | with mplayer or built-in? | 19:34 |
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| rm_you | mplayer | 19:34 |
| rm_you | you think built-in might handle them better? | 19:35 |
| rm_you | i hadnt thought about it | 19:35 |
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| rm_you | meh, built-in doesnt even recognize the format | 19:35 |
| SE-Wilco2 | Does someone already know about the login trap on maemo.org? | 19:35 |
| Tak | it's a trap? | 19:36 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:36 |
| * lardman realises why he couldn't install rtcomm - I've not upgraded yet | 19:36 | |
| * Tak close browser, unplug PC, wipe HD, dump bank accounts, leave country, erase fingerprints, remove retinas | 19:36 | |
| SE-Wilco2 | You can go in but can't get out. On maemo.org click on "Log in". The only way out is the "Create account" link. But a garage.maemo.org account doesn't work on maemo.org. | 19:37 |
| * SE-Wilco2 still recognizes Tak's face. | 19:37 | |
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| lardman | c u all later | 19:37 |
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| Tak | SE-Wilco2: yeah, I noticed that - or if I'm logged into garage, I can't log into d.m.o | 19:38 |
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| Aniruddha_NL | anyone knows to remove the battery from the n800? | 19:44 |
| Tak | remove back cover, insert fingernail | 19:44 |
| SE-Wilco2 | Aniruddha_NL - you mean other than lifting on the right side? | 19:44 |
| Aniruddha_NL | nope | 19:44 |
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| Aniruddha_NL | I can't reach it though :( | 19:45 |
| SE-Wilco2 | Lift the side of the battery by the right side. Before putting it back in use thin tape to make a tab which you can lift up next time. | 19:45 |
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| SE-Wilco2 | Getting the battery out the first time can be hard. | 19:46 |
| Aniruddha_NL | got it now | 19:46 |
| Aniruddha_NL | thanks :)\ | 19:46 |
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| Tak | if that doesn't work, use a hammer. | 19:46 |
| Aniruddha_NL | lol | 19:46 |
| SE-Wilco2 | That's why I put some tape from under the battery around to the top and folded it over so I can lift the tab. | 19:46 |
| Aniruddha_NL | that give bricking you device a whole ne meaning | 19:46 |
| * sp3000 just whacks it on the palm of his other hand, heh | 19:47 | |
| Aniruddha_NL | hehe | 19:47 |
| Aniruddha_NL | er | 19:47 |
| Aniruddha_NL | where is the product code? | 19:47 |
| Aniruddha_NL | lol | 19:48 |
| Aniruddha_NL | not underneath the battery | 19:48 |
| sp3000 | not behind the battery like on 770 iirc, despite descriptions ;) | 19:48 |
| Aniruddha_NL | sigh | 19:48 |
| rm_you | on the nokia sticker? | 19:48 |
| Aniruddha_NL | lol | 19:48 |
| rm_you | thats where mine is | 19:48 |
| sp3000 | behind the battery /cover/ otoh... | 19:48 |
| unverbraucht | Tak: thanks for the hint, you where right :) | 19:50 |
| Tak | about the hammer? | 19:50 |
| Aniruddha_NL | honna flash the device | 19:52 |
| Aniruddha_NL | *keeping fingers crossed* | 19:52 |
| Tak | I can never type the command right when my fingers are crossed | 19:53 |
| Aniruddha_NL | lol | 19:53 |
| Aniruddha_NL | btw | 19:53 |
| Aniruddha_NL | does it matter if you use USB 1 or USN@? | 19:53 |
| Aniruddha_NL | USB2> | 19:53 |
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| jga23_ | where can I get wget for os2008? | 20:05 |
| eber_ | jga: if you've installed all standard repo you can just apt-get it (see http://gronmayer.com/it/ for repos) | 20:07 |
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| Aniruddha_NL | eber_: great link thanks! | 20:08 |
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| eber_ | you can just click on "select all" | 20:10 |
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| milhouse | jga: enable the extras repository and apt-get install wget | 20:13 |
| jga23_ | thanks | 20:16 |
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| ph|ber | anyone using maemomapper? | 20:18 |
| ph|ber | it cant find the gps.. | 20:18 |
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| lardman | derf: do you happen to know whether an ogg reference -> begin member has a value of 0 for the first element of 1? | 20:37 |
| lardman | s/of/or | 20:37 |
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| sk | <phöber> anyone using maemomapper? | 20:42 |
| sk | it came installed on my n770 | 20:42 |
| sk | i bought it used | 20:42 |
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| jsmith | sk: I tried it out the other day | 20:46 |
| lardman | ph|ber: what device & what's the problem? | 20:47 |
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| alterego | Backup almost complete :S | 20:52 |
| * alterego hopes | 20:52 | |
| derf | lardman: 0. | 20:53 |
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| czr | hey alterego, happy newyear | 21:00 |
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| |tbb| | needing help. ive got four numbers in variables a-> 10000 b->12000 c->13000 d->16000 any bash command to find the nearest number for foo-> 12600 | 21:01 |
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| * alterego flashes | 21:02 | |
| alterego | czr, happy new year! :) | 21:02 |
| * alterego flashes czr | 21:03 | |
| alterego | Happy new year ;) | 21:03 |
| * czr is worried | 21:03 | |
| czr | people flashing over Ze Internjet are rather spooky | 21:03 |
| alterego | It's done now. I finally got around to updating from beta to the latest OS2008 ^_^ | 21:03 |
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| czr | cool. I'm almost done now as well. | 21:04 |
| czr | only one week of vacation to go | 21:04 |
| alterego | I started working again yesterday :/ | 21:04 |
| * czr neeners alterego | 21:04 | |
| alterego | Spent the whole day in my London data centre installing some new servers. | 21:04 |
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| alterego | :P | 21:05 |
| czr | hmm. I've not coded a line of anything for 3 weeks now | 21:06 |
| alterego | Hah, lucky you :P | 21:07 |
| alterego | Admittedly I've not done much either ;) | 21:07 |
| czr | although I helped my mom with her AOL crap | 21:07 |
| alterego | Got a fun project coming up now you finished the training material? | 21:07 |
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| czr | alterego, I haven't decided yet. I have to put together a stock company once I get back, that'll keep me busy for the near future | 21:08 |
| alterego | Cool | 21:08 |
| alterego | Though I've got no idea what a "Stock Company" is ;) | 21:08 |
| czr | a company that is normally a separate legal entity | 21:09 |
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| czr | ownership based on shares | 21:09 |
| czr | that kind of thing. nothing fancy | 21:09 |
| alterego | Ah | 21:09 |
| czr | plc I guess? | 21:09 |
| ph|ber | lardman: n810 | 21:09 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 21:09 |
| czr | anyhow, have to go, laters alterego | 21:10 |
| ph|ber | maemomapper. can it not use the internal gps? | 21:10 |
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| Tak | |tbb|: http://pastie.caboo.se/134520 | 21:14 |
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| keesj | Hi ssvb ! | 21:14 |
| ssvb | hi | 21:15 |
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| |tbb| | tak thx, i will learn from that | 21:17 |
| timelyx | hi | 21:17 |
| kulve | nice, just ordered the device :) | 21:17 |
| * timelyx is looking for someone not planning to sleep for 8 hours | 21:17 | |
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| alterego | timelyx, I probably wont :P | 21:18 |
| alterego | kulve, what country are you in? | 21:19 |
| kulve | fin | 21:19 |
| Tak | do I have to pay attention for 8 hours, or just not sleep? | 21:19 |
| |tbb| | what kind of awk os2008 runs | 21:19 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:19 |
| alterego | |tbb|, busybox | 21:19 |
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| kulve | the nseries.com still says "put your email here to be the first one to know when the device ships".. | 21:20 |
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| alterego | I wish there was a way to hide packages in the package manager. | 21:20 |
| timelyx | alterego: can you 1. fully charge your device. 2. disable flash, 3. load mtv3.fi in your web browser. 4. leave your device unplugged and open to that page | 21:20 |
| alterego | I'm sick of seeing that "Boingo" shit. | 21:20 |
| fugitivo | the device is out of stock in nokiausa | 21:20 |
| timelyx | i want to know how long it lasts | 21:20 |
| fugitivo | damn holidays :) | 21:20 |
| timelyx | i need at least two people | 21:20 |
| alterego | I could .. | 21:21 |
| alterego | But I've just reflashed it. | 21:21 |
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| alterego | It's still charging at the moment. | 21:21 |
| kulve | just ping the device? Why need to stay awake? | 21:21 |
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| kulve | oh well, the net activity would ofc mess up things | 21:21 |
| alterego | kulve, that's why you make it ping ever few minutes. | 21:21 |
| Tak | timeless: do you care which device it is? ;-) | 21:21 |
| alterego | The addition of that communication would be minimal to battery drain I believe. | 21:21 |
| timelyx | tak: as long as you run os 2008, i don't think i do | 21:22 |
| * Tak disqualified | 21:22 | |
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| edistar | is there a toolchain for compiling software for maemo? | 21:22 |
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| keesj | edistar: there is a hole sdk ! | 21:23 |
| edistar | keesj: thx | 21:23 |
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| alterego | f*cking chr*st Conola is big .. | 21:23 |
| alterego | 9.33M | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | "big" | 21:25 |
| Cptnodegard | better description is "useless" | 21:25 |
| Cptnodegard | it cant read embedded album art, and scrolling file lists is a hassle at best | 21:26 |
| Cptnodegard | no EQ | 21:26 |
| keesj | its simply rulez! | 21:26 |
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| Spacer | howdy | 21:26 |
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| Spacer | can anyone here recommend me the best (&safest) way to clean the touchscreen? | 21:27 |
| Tak | heh, those criticisms apply to every media player for maemo | 21:27 |
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| fugitivo | Spacer, nanobots | 21:28 |
| alterego | (Vibrators modelled on my appendage) | 21:29 |
| Spacer | how constructive... | 21:29 |
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| fugitivo | Cptnodegard, i don't agree | 21:29 |
| Tak | I recommend a hammer | 21:30 |
| fugitivo | Cptnodegard: canola is the best media player for maemo and it's still a beta | 21:30 |
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| alterego | Well, I've not used it yet. | 21:30 |
| alterego | Personally the Maemo "Media Player" fits my needs just fine. All I do is listen to some MP3's on my SD card. | 21:31 |
| fugitivo | no humor sense for Spacer | 21:31 |
| Cptnodegard | best doesnt mean good :P | 21:31 |
| fugitivo | alterego: yes, but when you need a better interface Canola is "good" :) | 21:32 |
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| Cptnodegard | it looks good but not that useful | 21:32 |
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| alterego | Why would you need a better interface? | 21:32 |
| fugitivo | alterego: for example, canola for in-car use is really good | 21:32 |
| alterego | Select track, Pause/Play + Stop is all I need :P | 21:32 |
| * Cptnodegard wants EQ | 21:33 | |
| fugitivo | alterego: or you have a party and want to use the tablet for music | 21:33 |
| alterego | Cptnodegard, not likely, | 21:33 |
| Tak | heh, I don't think the hardware will support software eq right now | 21:33 |
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| alterego | Cptnodegard, but you're welcome to try and write one. | 21:34 |
| alterego | Instead of bitch about not having one .. | 21:34 |
| Tak | we could use an eq dsp task though... | 21:34 |
| fugitivo | alterego: sure the default media player is better if you are browsing or doing other stuff, but when you need only an interface for media playing, Canola is the best | 21:34 |
| Tak | although if the dsp is decoding media, then it's probably loaded already | 21:34 |
| atlas95 | hello | 21:34 |
| alterego | fugitivo, that's a little iTouch-esque isn't it? :P | 21:35 |
| atlas95 | ahow to install an app with xterm please? | 21:35 |
| fugitivo | alterego: yes it's :) | 21:35 |
| Tak | atlas95: what kind of app? | 21:35 |
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| atlas95 | I try sudo but i need an unknow password :s | 21:35 |
| atlas95 | I want to see the error | 21:35 |
| Tak | you can see the error from the app manager by viewing the log | 21:35 |
| atlas95 | because with the frontend I can install maemo-blog an other app | 21:35 |
| alterego | "Hey, your iTouch can browse the net ... But you can't do more than _one_ thing at once." | 21:35 |
| fugitivo | atlas95: you need to set the tablet to the ultra secret mode first | 21:35 |
| alterego | That's got to be the lamest thing about the touch .. | 21:35 |
| atlas95 | I need dependancy .. | 21:35 |
| atlas95 | This seem to be repository error because the dependancy don't want to install alone | 21:36 |
| atlas95 | (sorry for my english) | 21:36 |
| atlas95 | fugitivo: how to do this? | 21:36 |
| fugitivo | atlas95: using the flasher utility, you enable rd mode | 21:38 |
| fugitivo | then you can boot and use sudo gainroot | 21:38 |
| atlas95 | hmm, ok i will search for this, or you are a link to a howto? | 21:39 |
| timelyx | keesj: a "hole" sdk eh? cute. | 21:40 |
| Tak | do you have to do the r&d stuff with OS2008 again? | 21:40 |
| fugitivo | oh, i don't know, i use 2007 HE | 21:40 |
| alterego | Canola is sloooow. | 21:40 |
| timelyx | r&d is outside of the normal file system | 21:40 |
| * Tak just ssh with 2007HE | 21:40 | |
| fugitivo | alterego: only the first time | 21:40 |
| k-s | alterego: slow usage or slow behavior? | 21:42 |
| CarlosT | I don't know if this is the place to ask, but I've been trying to beat Marbles and one level looks literally impossible. Where can I go for help? | 21:42 |
| alterego | Slow startup :P | 21:43 |
| fugitivo | CarlosT: lol, exit the game and try again tomorrow, that helped me | 21:43 |
| k-s | alterego: ah, sorry for that, we'll try to improve | 21:43 |
| k-s | alterego: but today we use many libs and python, that all accounts | 21:43 |
| fugitivo | btw, i'm still waiting for canola2 for the 770 | 21:43 |
| fugitivo | :) | 21:43 |
| derf | CarlosT: None of the levels are impossible. | 21:43 |
| k-s | alterego: we'll try to find a way to give faster feedback, but that requires some work | 21:43 |
| k-s | fugitivo: I'm on vacation, as most of the team | 21:44 |
| k-s | fugitivo: when we go back to work, then we'll try to provide it | 21:44 |
| k-s | fugitivo: btw, is it gregale or hacker edition? | 21:44 |
| alterego | It's got some delay inbetween songs too :/ | 21:44 |
| fugitivo | k-s: who are you? :) | 21:44 |
| fugitivo | sorry for asking, i'm ajf | 21:44 |
| alterego | But over all, it's very pretty and nice feel to it. | 21:44 |
| fugitivo | k-s: it's hacker edition | 21:45 |
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| alterego | k-s, the volume buttons only work in play view. So if you navigate back to the play list you can't use them. | 21:46 |
| alterego | And non of the other hardware keys for that matter do anything meaning full :P | 21:48 |
| alterego | Well, except menu | 21:49 |
| henrique | hi, is there a pygtk package for maemo? | 21:50 |
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| k-s | fugitivo: I'm Gustavo, /whois k-s | 21:51 |
| alterego | There's a lot of screen tearing when using the photo browser. | 21:51 |
| fugitivo | k-s: hey Gustavo, Marcelo told me you were working on 770 versions, any idea when it will be available? | 21:52 |
| k-s | alterego: lack of hw-keys is known | 21:52 |
| k-s | alterego: and the tearing is the hardware fault, shitty hw | 21:53 |
| k-s | 770 looks better | 21:53 |
| k-s | fugitivo: we need to recompile the packages, that's it | 21:53 |
| k-s | fugitivo: we compiled with optimizations for n800 cpu, we need to compile with optimizations for 770 | 21:53 |
| k-s | henrique: sure there is, and for almost all libs in the platform (hildon, sdl, gstreamer, bluez, ...) | 21:54 |
| henrique | k-s, so what repo I need to put in my sources.list? | 21:55 |
| k-s | henrique: repository.maemo.org | 21:55 |
| k-s | henrique: or /extras, I never remember | 21:56 |
| k-s | the package name is not pygtk though | 21:56 |
| k-s | btw... I'm really pissed with people abusing the Application Installer | 21:56 |
| k-s | damn, why apache, lighthttp or even php is listed there | 21:56 |
| Tak | abusing? | 21:56 |
| k-s | yes | 21:57 |
| k-s | even python shouldn't be there | 21:57 |
| k-s | unless they provide any visual application | 21:57 |
| Tak | oh, you mean just dumping everything in user/blah | 21:57 |
| k-s | otherwise apps should depend on them, that's it | 21:57 |
| k-s | Tak: yes, exactly | 21:57 |
| alterego | That Nokia promotional Video is so crap :P | 21:58 |
| alterego | It's like an edited version of the N800 one. | 21:59 |
| Cptnodegard | anyone else getting problems trying to use Grahams repository? added it, wont update entirely, and wont install GPE | 21:59 |
| alterego | Though, the bit at the end. When one of the music guys is like: "Can I have one" actually has an N810 .. Weird. | 21:59 |
| * truls wishes for an alternative calender to GPE | 22:00 | |
| Cptnodegard | libsoup2.2-8 missing | 22:00 |
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| alterego | truent, pimlico | 22:00 |
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| lardman | derf: Does a single reference contain a packet? Or... do references not span packets? | 22:03 |
| lardman | derf: i.e. always an integer number of references within a packet | 22:03 |
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| dhdfoo | hi, I'm trying to upgrade my chinook SDK in scratchbox and getting "size mismatch" errors from apt | 22:09 |
| dhdfoo | is the repository *still* broken? | 22:09 |
| kulve | dhdfoo: I think it's mostly fixed although it doesn't seem to get fixed for everybody at the same time.. | 22:10 |
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| alterego | Heh | 22:10 |
| dhdfoo | ah | 22:10 |
| dhdfoo | I suppose I should just download the rootstrap | 22:10 |
| skibur | anybody have kde running on the N800 - OS2008? | 22:10 |
| * alterego vomits. | 22:11 | |
| * alterego looks and penguinbait | 22:11 | |
| wolgri | is there working djvu viewer for os08 | 22:11 |
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| wolgri | or chm | 22:13 |
| jsmith | Quick question... I've got the OpenVPN client installed on my N810... is there an easy way to start and stop the client (which must be run as root)? | 22:14 |
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| sp3000 | rraaaaaggghhhh | 22:15 |
| lardman | hear hear | 22:15 |
| sp3000 | why do all these package descriptions suck? | 22:15 |
| lardman | oh, I was thinking more of bit manipulation code, but the same thought | 22:15 |
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| alterego | sp3000, I was thinking the same thing. | 22:17 |
| alterego | It'd be nice to have more comprehensive descriptions and also a thumb nail view in the package manager. | 22:17 |
| jsmith | Sounds good to me | 22:17 |
| lardman | thumbnail view sounds interesting | 22:19 |
| sp3000 | the way people are writing these long descriptions, they'd probably submit a picture of the short description as the screenshot | 22:19 |
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| wolgri | yeah in apt-cache search whith cacti output | 22:19 |
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| fugitivo | yes it does | 22:20 |
| lardman | aren't there more detailed descriptions buried in the .deb files anyway? | 22:20 |
| * sp3000 would approve of the short desc of the highlighted package spanning the width of the item | 22:21 | |
| sp3000 | of course the tree probably doesn't do that or something | 22:21 |
| lardman | or is the problem that people don't put these in (i.e. press the (i) button at the bottom of the app manager) | 22:21 |
| somenick | hi, would this be a good place to ask a beginner's question about python/hildon development on the N810 or is there a better channel? | 22:22 |
| Tak | sp3000: that's a fantastic idea | 22:22 |
| lardman | somenick: fire away | 22:22 |
| sp3000 | if you look at http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages the first line of Description is the short desc, the other lines are the long desc | 22:22 |
| alterego | The problem is people don't write good descriptions. | 22:22 |
| alterego | They put about 3 words. | 22:22 |
| * Tak submit base64 encoding of a screenshot of the short description as the long description | 22:22 | |
| sp3000 | lardman, the problem is the descriptions all suck :) | 22:22 |
| alterego | "This is X package." | 22:22 |
| lardman | usually <add description> ... :) | 22:23 |
| sp3000 | it's like teh short description is the same as the package name, with articles and such added | 22:23 |
| derf | lardman: References are initially constructed to the buffers read from the file. | 22:23 |
| derf | They can then be split along page and packet boundaries. | 22:23 |
| sp3000 | and the long desc is the same as the short desc, maybe dressed as a sentence fragment | 22:23 |
| lardman | derf: so a buffer might span a packet, but a buffer will be split at the boundary? | 22:23 |
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| derf | lardman: The subdivisions can happen almost any way you can imagine. | 22:24 |
| lardman | derf: ah, so a reference might span a packet? | 22:24 |
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| derf | A reference points to part of a buffer. | 22:25 |
| derf | A page may take up one or more possibly partial buffers. | 22:25 |
| lardman | derf: it's just that when a packet is identified, by reading the "vorbis" bytes at the beginning, I'm getting a prepended 0x01, then the "vorbis" bytes | 22:25 |
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| derf | A page is split into headers and packet data. | 22:25 |
| lardman | s/packet/header packet | 22:26 |
| derf | lardman: The 0x01 is the packet type identifier. | 22:26 |
| derf | It says, "This is a header packet." | 22:26 |
| somenick | thanks, embarassingly simple i'm guessing but ii only started working with python this morning: i was trying to use the HildonCaption but can't seem to create one without specifying an icon widget through the python biinding. specifying none didn't work and i've been hard pressed to find examples or docs. | 22:26 |
| lardman | derf: ah, perhaps I've removed the code that reads that byte then | 22:26 |
| derf | Specifically, that should be the info header (as opposed to the comment header or setup header). | 22:27 |
| lardman | are info headers required? | 22:27 |
| lardman | does the packet have to exist or can it be left out? | 22:27 |
| derf | The info header is required... it tells you the sampling rate, number of channels, and some other useful information. | 22:28 |
| lardman | I removed the info packet reading code as it's of no use on the DSP, but if it's required, and they have to appear in a given order I need to put it back in and just throw away the data | 22:28 |
| lardman | info header that should be | 22:28 |
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| lardman | no I'm thinking of the comment header | 22:29 |
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| lardman | is that requred? | 22:29 |
| derf | The comment header is required by the code. | 22:29 |
| derf | It isn't really used for anything, though. | 22:29 |
| derf | In theory it has a vendor string that could be used to work around bugs. | 22:29 |
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| lardman | ok, I need to add that back in then | 22:29 |
| rm_you | lardman: is it possible in like... one or two senteces to tell me how to set up the DSP toolchain if i already have SB set up? >_> (longshot) | 22:30 |
| rm_you | or a link | 22:31 |
| lardman | rm_you: yes, for starters you don't need scratchbox as it's an x86 toolchain | 22:31 |
| rm_you | ah | 22:31 |
| lmoura | somenick, can you post some test code at http://pastebin.com/ ? | 22:31 |
| lardman | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dspprogramming/ | 22:31 |
| rm_you | sweet, thanks... | 22:31 |
| lardman | np, let me know how you get on | 22:32 |
| rm_you | i probably should have further investigated the wiki, but it kinda seems like no one has used it since 770 >_> | 22:32 |
| derf | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Biltmore-Cant-Log-In.aspx | 22:32 |
| somenick | lmoura: sure, thanks. will take me a second as i'm typing on the nokia thumbboard | 22:32 |
| lmoura | ok | 22:33 |
| rm_you | oh it's a Texas Instruments chip? :P | 22:33 |
| lardman | derf: lol, all this time I've been worrying about that stay 0x01 and now I notice that there's an extra packtype=oggpack_read(&opb,8); at the start | 22:33 |
| lardman | rm_you: yep | 22:33 |
| rm_you | lol... my roommate last year was the son of the COO/CEO or something >_> | 22:33 |
| lardman | derf: sorry for the noise, the problem must lie somewhere later in the process. Debugging by inserting the equivalent of printf() statements is painful :( | 22:34 |
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| rm_you | what model is the DSP/ | 22:37 |
| derf | lardman: And IIRC, the original Neuros had a C54-family chip. | 22:38 |
| rm_you | TMS320C55x? | 22:38 |
| lardman | derf: yes that's what I thought, I'm wondering what processor it had as it appears to present data read from the disk in bigendian form | 22:39 |
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| lardman | rm_you: yes | 22:39 |
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| lardman | from looking at Monty's oggbyte_readi() implementation | 22:40 |
| somenick | lmoura: i've pasted a short example at http://pastebin.com/d79fc31eb that produces the error; altering the line that creates the caption to pass through an image works fine, but i end up with an image on the caption. i'm assuming the problem is my lack of python knowledge :-) thanks for your help | 22:42 |
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| lardman | good, looks like I'm getting a OV_EBADHEADER error now, which is not unexpected as I was ignoring the comments part of the header | 22:45 |
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| rm_you | wow, that's a large toolchain :) glad i'm getting 1m/s | 22:50 |
| * Tak snickers | 22:51 | |
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| lmoura | somenick, it was a problem in the python bindings. It'll be fixed in our next release (next week) | 23:00 |
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| somenick | thanks, lmoura | 23:02 |
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| rm_you | lardman: "Copy the avs_kernel.out from your device to the /opt/ti_dsptools/dspgw"? | 23:06 |
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| lardman | rm_you: doesn't matter where you put it, I put it there as that's where the toolchain lives | 23:12 |
| rm_you | my question was more where to GET it | 23:12 |
| lardman | ah, /lib/dsp/ | 23:12 |
| rm_you | ah | 23:12 |
| rm_you | found something that said /etc/dsp online, but that didn't exist :P | 23:12 |
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| lardman | yes, that was for the earliest versions of the dspgateway | 23:13 |
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| drwx | hi! the official miltimedia player in OS2008 use mplayer, xine, vlc or something else? | 23:15 |
| lardman | drwx: gstreamer | 23:16 |
| lardman | rm_you: tv, will come back now and again and check if you have a question | 23:16 |
| drwx | it's more or less compatible than mplayer? | 23:16 |
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| rm_you | well i am leaving currently | 23:16 |
| rm_you | dentist >_> | 23:16 |
| rm_you | bbl | 23:16 |
| lardman|tv | rm_you: hard luck | 23:16 |
| lardman|tv | rm_you: I'm in the uk so may be asleep later on | 23:16 |
| rm_you | way later actually, hafta drive to someone's house and replace the LCD on their laptop :P | 23:17 |
| lardman|tv | rm_you: ok, let me know how you get on tomorrow, etc. Hope the dentist doen't hurt too much! | 23:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:17 |
| rm_you | just normal checkup | 23:17 |
| drwx | I know this sort of checkup | 23:18 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:18 |
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| skibur | I'm trying to learn how to reverse engineer hardware. Any good book out there that has good guide lines? | 23:20 |
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| shackan | skibur: what kind of hardware? | 23:27 |
| skibur | hum... | 23:28 |
| skibur | like wireless devices | 23:28 |
| skibur | more like video game consoles | 23:28 |
| DeLe0n | i heard that the developer discount codes were working in europe, does anyone knows if they work in USA? | 23:29 |
| skibur | I would like to be able to look at any hardware and use a guide to understand it | 23:29 |
| sk | skibur:good luck w/that, shit is crazy | 23:29 |
| skibur | o ok | 23:29 |
| skibur | lol | 23:29 |
| sk | hehe | 23:29 |
| sk | google maybe | 23:29 |
| skibur | I'm not a n00b | 23:29 |
| doc|work | is it possible to disable email checking? | 23:30 |
| Cord | DeLe0n: try it :-) | 23:30 |
| sk | good, i didn't say you were | 23:30 |
| doc|work | besides deleting the account details | 23:30 |
| skibur | yeah searching as we chat | 23:30 |
| kbsingh | doc|work: have it check 127.0.0.1 for pop3 ? | 23:30 |
| skibur | lol | 23:30 |
| kbsingh | doc|work: that should disable it | 23:30 |
| sk | probably some asm level understanding | 23:30 |
| DeLe0n | Cord: I will hahaha i was just checking if someone did it | 23:30 |
| sk | and something like idapro for reversing software | 23:30 |
| skibur | http://www.grandideastudio.com/files/security/training/blackhat_hh_training_toc.pdf | 23:30 |
| skibur | that will be nice to follow | 23:30 |
| Cord | DeLe0n: reports say that a code in Belgium did work. here in germany they don't work... | 23:31 |
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| skibur | I need one more year until I graduate | 23:31 |
| sk | skibur : is that for a class? | 23:31 |
| sk | the .pdf? | 23:31 |
| skibur | I need an Idea so that I can work on my Masters | 23:31 |
| skibur | yeah | 23:31 |
| skibur | well, I need something to work with | 23:31 |
| DeLe0n | Cord: damn... haha so close and so far... haha | 23:32 |
| sk | skibur : cool man | 23:33 |
| skibur | the greatest hack ever discovered IMHO is the Emulator | 23:33 |
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| shackan | THE emulator? | 23:34 |
| skibur | yup | 23:35 |
| shackan | heh | 23:35 |
| shackan | which one? | 23:35 |
| skibur | all | 23:35 |
| skibur | emulators | 23:35 |
| shackan | what you said doesn't make sense | 23:36 |
| shackan | for me at least.. | 23:36 |
| DeLe0n | Cord: out of stock in nokiausa.com :( ... maybe next week | 23:36 |
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| Cord | i see. ok, in germany it seems to be available... but... | 23:36 |
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| alterego | My discount code is teh suck | 23:38 |
| sk | skibur: haha | 23:39 |
| sk | just the abstract "emulator" fact | 23:39 |
| sk | yea its pretty cool | 23:39 |
| sk | I think VM's are damn cool | 23:39 |
| sk | not voicemail! | 23:39 |
| Cord | and a real pain in the ass. | 23:39 |
| skibur | :) | 23:40 |
| sk | heh | 23:41 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows how to add a comma number with expr command from bash like expr 100,2 + 10,4 | 23:45 |
| Cord | . o O ( echo 100.2 + 10.4 |bc ) | 23:46 |
| |tbb| | does os2008 came with bc | 23:47 |
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| Cord | no idea. | 23:47 |
| |tbb| | anyone could try it please btw dunno if expr will work on that too | 23:48 |
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| Cord | expr 100 + 10 | 23:50 |
| Cord | works. | 23:50 |
| Cord | i'm not sure if you can calculated with floatpoint numbers. | 23:50 |
| inz | |tbb|, you usually want to use . instead of ,, but it doesn't help with expr (or $(())) | 23:50 |
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| alterego | Wow, there's a lot of people laying into "the Maemo team" on Quim's blog :S | 23:51 |
| |tbb| | cord bc also works? | 23:52 |
| Cord | bc can do. | 23:52 |
| |tbb| | k thx | 23:52 |
| Cord | as pointed out above, but you must make sure to have it on $whatever | 23:52 |
| Cord | and you need dots (.) not commas (,) as seperator. | 23:53 |
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| ds3 | is there any way on the N800 w/OS2007 to tell it to prefer a given network if more then one is available, i.e. I want to tell it to connect to my home WiFi instead of DUN to my phone if home WiFi is available | 23:54 |
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| alterego | It's funny that people are ranting about how Quim hasn't kept us informed about the discount code delays. But then, I heard there were great problems with the N800 program. Maybe being silent is all he can do considering it's completely out of the Maemo teams hand. | 23:58 |
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