IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-12-20

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|Racydlord haha00:05
mmilleracydlord: Maybe if you where a cop..00:05
acydlordwhy if i was a cop?00:05
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|Rput your hands where we _can_t_ see them!00:06
|R(urhm.. what? ;)00:06
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mmilleracydlord: Did you not hear about that one porn star who got out of a speeding ticket and drug charges for having sex with that cop in KY or TN?00:06
|Rhaha00:06
|Rin KY ? :P00:07
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acydlordsure didnt00:09
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mozillarhello00:11
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mozillarIs there a Flickr uploader for Maemo?00:11
acydlordthere was, dunno if there still is00:12
acydlordnflick00:12
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acydlordand te mhshottool will upload screenshots to flickr00:12
adammelanconIt used to be part of one of the camera apps00:12
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tontsan810 really needs some kind of assisted gps. took almost 8 minutes to get lock on 4 satellites out in the open00:15
FMZSkrylar: Hey man00:15
|Rtontsa : second time?00:15
tontsa|R, first time i succeed getting any type of lock00:16
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SkrylarAnd now for fun times in Intel CPU documentation00:16
|Rtontsa : ok, maybe it's going to be faster now00:16
|Rdoes the GPS sets the clock?00:16
|Ri mean, it's the best NTP you can get ;)00:17
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tontsai doubt it00:17
tontsamy unit is still in wrong time :)00:17
|Rhehe00:17
|Rthat would be a great software add-on00:18
tontsanot a bad idea though for a script.. since it's quite easy to parse that NMEA00:18
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fnordianslipbut GPS time is skewed from GMT.  a few years ago it was 13 seconds adrift.  not sure about now00:19
Skrylarnosebleed oh noes00:19
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|Rfnordianslip : oh, didn't know that, but if it's a well documented and very precise drift, it's still good :)00:20
mgedminGPS time ignores leap seconds, so the diff accumulates00:20
fnordianslipthink GPS time is known as "UTC via USNO" or similar00:21
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|Rok00:21
|Rwell thus it's not hard to add :)00:21
SkrylarAlso note00:22
SkrylarTransmission time between the radio and the orbital can cause time drift :P00:22
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fnordianslipas can your velocity00:23
tontsawell it's doable since there are even rack-units that provide ntp time sources from gps clocks00:23
tontsabut i doubt that is diffrent scenario since the datacenter is not likely to move much00:23
fnordiansliplol00:23
tontsas/doubt/think00:23
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SkrylarIf the datacenter is moving, that means it's either an earthquake or a secret base XD00:24
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tontsawell you could get those Sun shipping container datacenters00:24
fnordianslipmoving with respect to what?00:25
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SkrylarFMZ: So how is the gizmo conferencing working out?00:28
adammelanconoops ;)00:28
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Skrylar:P00:28
Skrylaraww, he left00:28
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tontsaanyway.. back to the topic. i want the same assisted gps they added to E90 via software00:28
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acydlordi want an e9000:34
acydlordif only one didnt have to take out a second mortgage to afford one00:34
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TIRC_9099cia00:35
TIRC_9099!list00:35
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SkrylarI have a Sidekick 3 :(00:35
SkrylarIt would be great if it wasn't for the T-Mobile lockdown00:36
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acydlordthey sure screwed up on the sidekick slide00:37
acydlordi kind of miss my ogo00:37
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SkrylarI haven't heard much about the slide00:38
SkrylarOther than they took a Sidekick 3, replaced the swing hinge with a slider, and went on to charge 400$ for it00:39
SkrylarDespite Android looming around, threatening the whole user lock-out mentality >_>00:39
* Skrylar hoorays for android.00:39
acydlordahh, the slide keeps shorting out on people00:40
SkrylarXD00:40
acydlordi remember i had a bunch of friends getting sidekick 3s replaces cause their screen would come off00:40
SkrylarThe screen on mine is a little wobbly, but the hinge is still solid00:40
acydlordone of my friends used to shoot his screen at people lol00:41
SkrylarInterestingly the warranty explicitly doesn't cover the fragile hingework in sidekicks00:41
Skrylarlol00:41
SkrylarSK's still have the best keyboards00:41
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SkrylarThey need to just make it flip up, laptop style00:41
acydlordyeah00:42
acydlordthats how the ogo was, and the keyboard on it was decent00:42
Skrylarand have the back side of the screen a cheap LED so it can still show a "Bob is calling" message00:42
SkrylarThe fancy clockwork is nice and all, but sliders + hinges tend to be very short lived00:42
acydlordi have a samsung a930 for a phone, i love the oled screen on the outside00:43
SkrylarEspecially the cheap, under-reinforced junk from china00:43
acydlordtrue that00:43
acydlordi'm waiting for a modernized version of the 2way pager, since so many people text and email more than they call anymore00:44
SkrylarCost :/00:44
SkrylarSidekicks have cheap data plans00:44
acydlordthat they do00:45
SkrylarWhat is utterly retarded is that I get charged for random SMS messages despite having "unlimited" SMS00:45
acydlordthat sucks00:45
acydlordi have like 500 sms a month, i need to up that plan00:45
SkrylarEmail, IM and web is covered.00:45
SkrylarI could SMS you, or call you, and the network could gouge me.00:45
SkrylarOr I can just Email to your SMS number >_>00:45
acydlordthe ogo had email, im and sms all unlimited for about $20 a month00:45
SkrylarI should've possibly gotten the helio ocean00:46
acydlordbut when at&t switched to cingular the first time they scrapped it00:46
SkrylarIt's basically the helio version of a sidekick00:46
acydlordyeah, the ocean is nice00:46
Skrylarbut they hacked it to run Opera00:46
Skrylar\o\00:46
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SkrylarT-Mobile has some utterly useless mozilla cripple on the SK300:46
acydlordthat sucks00:47
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SkrylarIt won't report as a mobile device (so you don't get the handheld stylesheets HTML supports)00:47
SkrylarNo AJAX, no flash, :/00:47
SkrylarOn the up note, I've only got 1.6 years left of contract :|00:47
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acydlordi have verizon, everything is crippled with them00:48
SkrylarAT&T is going "open"00:48
SkrylarGoogle Android is pushing the carriers to stop crippling everything00:49
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acydlordi am looking forward to them opening the network up next year as i have about 3 months shy of 2 years left on my contract00:49
SkrylarI wonder if I could take a phone that didn't suck and put my SK3 chip in it00:49
SkrylarIt's just a SIM card, I think00:49
acydlordyeah, with t-mobile it's a sim00:50
SkrylarProblem is, there are no cheap tetherable phones00:50
SkrylarYou don't even *get* bluetooth until you get in to the 400$ range00:50
acydlordare you serious?00:50
acydlordeven my phone supports bluetooth dun00:51
acydlordand it was free00:51
Skrylarwuh?00:51
Skrylarthere do exist cheap tethering phones?00:51
SkrylarLink plox :D00:51
acydlordlemme check tmobile's inventory right quick00:52
SkrylarI'm curious if that would show up as "data" from a sidekick00:52
dragornmy vzw phone after contract was like $10000:52
dragornand has bt00:52
dragornmost phones do now00:53
dragorns/most/many/00:53
infobotdragorn meant: many phones do now00:53
dragorndammit00:53
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SkrylarSidekicks have it00:53
SkrylarT-Mobile just made it useless00:53
dragornanyone know if a2dp is working in the new 2008?00:53
SkrylarCan you even do the OS update right now? oO00:54
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SkrylarThe servers were all down yesterday00:54
acydlordhttp://urltea.com/2ec000:54
acydlordone of t-mo's better cheap phones00:55
K`zanI'm waiting for the smoke to clear and see what is going on with it.  I really am NOT looking forward to re-installing everything again unless there is VERY good reason.00:55
dragornSkrylar: there are many links on ITT for mirros00:55
dragornmirrors00:55
SkrylarK`zan: It's supposed to have better power management so you can run at 400mhz now00:56
Skrylarinstead of 33000:56
K`zan:-) How fast does FB reader have to run :-).00:57
acydlordman, i want that lg voyage00:57
acydlordr00:57
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K`zanI really am not doing that much with it, right now.  After transitioning from 2007, I am waiting for apps to catch up again.00:57
Skrylaracydlord: Do they have any tetherables under 100$?00:57
Vulc|BlehIs there a release date on OS2008 yet?00:58
SkrylarIt's out now, supposedly00:58
Vulc|BlehLinky?00:58
acydlordi didnt see any that are under 100 without renewing00:58
SkrylarServers are down I think :(00:58
Vulc|BlehHaha00:58
Vulc|BlehEveryone tried to00:58
Vulc|BlehSupposedly, 08 has a "back up all applications to memory card" function00:58
Vulc|BlehI don't know if the beta has this, but hopefully.00:58
Skrylarsuch epic new features XD00:58
Skrylar"We added a GUI to tar -cjf ..."00:59
acydlordi havent seen the feature on the beta00:59
* thoughtfix yawns00:59
K`zanI thought it was mostly bug fixes (none of which seem to be affecting me).00:59
dragornvulc: I know it backs up repos and app lists00:59
dragornI didn't know it had a way to back up package content00:59
dragornthat'd be handy00:59
K`zanSure would, I HATE reinstalling :-)00:59
acydlordit has application list on the backup option00:59
Vulc|Blehgive me a sec, going to check01:00
dragornIt's also somewhat unintelligent about restoring stuff, it consistently tries pidgin-otr before pidgin main, but that might be a pkg dep issue, too01:00
K`zanReinstalling everything makes me thing of wincrap <shudder>.01:00
Vulc|BlehDon't use pidgin?01:00
Vulc|BlehJust use AIM/MSN/Whatever teleports through the jablet server01:00
Vulc|Blehso you can use the built in jabber client thinger.01:00
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Vulc|BlehActually, isn't pidgin going to be built in for 08?01:01
dragornat least it's smart enough to know which of the backed up list has been restored01:01
dragornthat's not a very constructive answer, especially considering that I was talking about OTR01:01
dragornwhich isn't available afaik for the builtin stuff01:01
dragornand I'm not going to redirect my IMs through yet another third party01:01
dragornI was simply commenting, anyhow, it's not a showstopper bug01:01
acydlordi have way too many people on my buddy lists to use jabber transports for my im01:02
dragornI don't really care what IM people use, just saying the app restore function sometimes goes stupid, but at least it recovers moderately gracefully01:02
SkrylarVulc|Bleh: er01:03
SkrylarI believe pidgin is supposed to run on 0801:03
dragornIt runs on 08, it's not included in the base firmware.01:03
Vulc|BlehI thought I read somewhere that they were trying to integrate it.01:03
SkrylarConsidering I downloaded it from the Nokia site that said it was for '08 ;)01:03
dragornI suspect the restore problem is the otr package not listing pidgin-main as a dep01:04
dragornor the restore function just ignores deps01:04
NickDeit is in the "Maemo Extra's" repo that is "disabled" with this new firmware, just need to enable it and install it + any supporting extras like OTR or sounds01:04
acydlordi havent had any luck with the n800 led pidgin plugin =/01:04
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SkrylarI didn't know there was one01:09
acydlordit's in the garage listed as beta01:10
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acydlordthat was obnoxious, my internet connection has been running like crap lately01:19
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kaiepwsafe is not yet available for os2008. is there something equivalent?01:25
Skrylarer, what's the 4byte version of a word?01:26
Skrylari know it goes word and then dword, then <something>01:26
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derfdword is 4 bytes.01:26
derfBut you are thinking qword.01:26
Skrylarqword is 2?01:27
derfqword is 8 bytes.01:27
derfq is for quad, 4 words.01:27
Skrylarargh, a word is apparently 201:28
SkrylarI only know these by their C names01:28
derfAnd this is all x86-specific, of course.01:29
SkrylarHrmms01:29
Skrylar~13 bytes, not counting alignment bloat01:29
Skrylarper instruction :(01:29
SkrylarYou know01:30
SkrylarIIRC you can make any CISC instruction in to RISC instructions01:30
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SkrylarI should just do that01:30
derfMost modern processors do, internally.01:30
SkrylarThe storage of instructions isn't dependent on x8601:30
Skrylar:)01:30
SkrylarBecause what's happening is a decoder is reading the binary code and converting it to SkryCPUVM01:31
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Skrylarwhich can actually be RISC01:31
derfI'm just saying, this became standard practice over a decade ago.01:31
Skrylar:P01:31
SkrylarI've never messed around this low level before, so I wouldn't know much about it.01:32
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SkrylarARM is RISC01:32
Skrylarso.. hrm01:33
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Skrylarderf: I think what I need to do is basically do a JIT01:33
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SkrylarWhere it does the x86->skvm at runtime so as to be able to arbitrarily execute whatever a program is trying to do, but somehow set it up to recognize common sets of label/return sequences so it can make ARM equivalents of those on the n80001:34
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ds3is there a port of qemu for the N800?02:14
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portI was trying to flash new image, but my N800 just got stuck on the initial NOKIA screen. Flasher utility never got passed "Suitable USB device not found". How do I reboot the N800?03:11
portPower button doesn't work03:11
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Vulc|Blehport: Remove the battery? I think thats the only way to "reset" it03:19
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portVulc|Bleh: Yeah that worked03:24
portVulc|Bleh: But is it ever hard to get out.03:24
Vulc|BlehYeah03:24
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Vulc|Blehdunno how well this will work, but try slipping something under and around it before you put it in03:25
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portIs the application restore feature suppposed to have worked between OS2008 Beta -> OS2008 ?03:32
gmahh yeah, i should upgrade to the final :)03:36
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|Rport: ./flasher-3.0 -R maybe ?04:05
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Vulc|BlehOk, so, is there anything different between 2008 beta and 2008?04:37
Vulc|BlehAnything noticeably*04:37
Vulc|BlehI'm not sure if I flashed the right one, options does not help me04:37
Vulc|Blehabout product gives me "Version: <Unknown>"04:38
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jaharkes_if extras contains a 'get started' menu item you have the latest 200804:46
jaharkes_(I don't think I saw that in the beta)04:46
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Vulc|BlehNope :(04:50
Vulc|BlehWait04:50
Vulc|BlehRestoring from backup would kill that, right?04:50
Vulc|BlehI only have "Help" in extras04:50
jaharkes_I think I restored from backups04:51
Vulc|BlehWell, this sucks.04:51
jaharkes_but I didn't reshuffle the menus too much04:51
Vulc|BlehI downloaded the flasher, booted into linux, coppied it over from the NTFS volume because I was lazy, and must have gotten the wrong one04:51
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K`zanDoe they ever update "fresh" on the 2008 downloads page or does a re-release count as a new app there?05:00
K`zanVery confusing and a good chunk of them aren't even there :-(.05:01
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pupnikThu Dec 20 06:06:18 CET 200707:06
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|Rdoes iphome for 2007 works with 2008? :)07:19
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skiburI think I found a bug in the browser07:37
skiburI need someone to confirm07:37
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pupnik_no such thing07:38
skiburok N800 - OS2008 Application not responding when zooming pass %100 when viewing the Home page of http://internettablettalk.com07:41
unique311i think the new os as a whole is a bug.07:41
unique311can't freaking install apps speedy like i use to.07:41
unique311slow as hell to install stuff.07:42
unique311takes forever on the dl07:42
skiburCan someone confirm this bug07:42
skiburlet me generate the error message07:42
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skibur(!) Web - Internet Tablet Talk no responding07:45
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pupnik_skibur: how does it work on other sites?07:48
pupnik_A bug that happens only on one site is generally not a browser fault.07:49
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jaharkes_heh, last time I tried internettablettalk on my 770 it crashed the browser, kind of ironic to have a site dedicated to internet tablets which doesn't work on them.07:49
pupnik_works great with links browser :)07:51
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pupnik_unique311: the slowness is in the download, not in the OS.  right?07:52
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unique311pupnik_, not sure...and really dissapointed.07:54
unique311yesteday it was 4 repos giving problems.07:54
unique311today it was only 207:54
skiburIt works fine on the sites I visit07:54
unique311but still some of the stuff i was trying to install, didn't want to play well07:54
tank-manmaybe too many people are trying to update?07:55
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skiburyeah, its not the OS07:56
skibureverybody is trying to download apps all at once07:56
unique311why would updating the OS be messing up, installing apps.07:56
skiburlinks?  The terminal browser?07:56
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pupnik_yeah but with graphics and stylus support07:57
pupnik_needs a bt keyboard though, or xkbd07:57
pupnik_never crashes, small and fast07:57
skiburnow my browser crashed on me07:58
skiburit has to be a bug07:58
skiburDo you have OS2008 or OS2007 pupnik?07:59
unique311my application manager crashed alot.07:59
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unique311so i just gave up on trying to install stuff.07:59
pupnik_2006 old skuul08:00
skiburcool08:00
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skiburwow, I have updates for N800 - OS2008 already?08:01
skibur84k08:01
skiburwoah I tried to install it, but it gives me a notice that it is from another untrusted source.08:02
pupnikinstall what?08:03
pupniki wonder if anyone has been brave enough to open their n810 yet and post pics08:04
pupnikArs Technica on the N810: "The absence of spacing between the keys makes it very easy to fatfinger your typing."08:06
pupnikhah new verb: 'fatfinger'08:06
skiburOperating System updates on my OS200808:07
pupnikok. surprising skibur08:07
pupnikyou sure it's not an updae of a non-OS package?08:08
pupnikhave you installed any non-nokia software?08:08
pupnikmaybe the update is for a piece of non-nokia software08:08
pupnik"After using the hardware keyboard on the N810 for several days, I switched back to the N800 for a few days for comparison purposes. "08:09
pupnik"Trying to use the command line on the N800 without the hardware keyboard seems painful to me now."08:09
tontsawell some repos carry newer bluez-utils which you can't install since nokia's stuff depend on specific version08:09
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skiburhum... switching back to the blue pill08:13
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skiburis there a good website that shows all the repos?08:14
tontsain the topic there's http://www.gronmayer.com/it which is pretty good08:15
skiburI would like to see what apps they have08:15
skiburo ok08:15
skiburthanks08:15
pupnikArs Technica: "The vast majority of third-party software applications available for OS2007 haven't been ported to OS2008 yet, but users can expect to see a lot more third-party software become available next month when developers begin to get the devices."08:15
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tontsawell there has been quite a lot of new stuff within few days08:16
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pupnik"I have communicated with several developers who work on Maemo ports of popular desktop Linux applications. Many of them are close to completing OS2008 ports and just need to do more testing on an actual device before officially releasing their work."08:18
pupnikI'll STFU about that now.  Sorry.08:19
pupnikhttp://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/408:20
kulveinz: what's "ui-rework-inz-refactor"?08:22
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pupnikThinking positive doesn't make things better, it makes you a better person08:39
tank-mansome would say that is just delusion08:40
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Khertanpupnik: someone have talk with the writer of arstechnica ?08:51
pupnikKhertan: i don't know08:52
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skiburany program that can read doc files?09:08
astro76Abiword AFAIK09:09
hahloprobably not even strings work09:09
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|Rnot yet ready for 2008 from what i gathered though... :/09:09
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skiburo ok09:14
skiburI was hoping for another one09:14
skiburabiword needs work09:14
skiburI was thinking of porting a document converter09:14
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skiburdoc to txt    txt to doc    chm to pdf   etc....09:15
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skiburI know that Slackware has these app based console by default09:16
skiburwondering if it will be useful09:16
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hahloit would be cool to replace maemo with slack yes09:17
skiburlol09:19
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gmslackware? heh09:24
gmslackware? heh09:25
gmwhoops09:25
skiburSlackware is my distro09:26
skiburI´m running Slackware 12 on my desktop and laptop09:26
DeLe0nskibur: i was trying to install armed slack on an at91rm920009:27
DeLe0nskibur: have u heard about armed slackware?09:28
sbzbut, slackware has poor package managers, so it wouldn't be not interested to write our own slackbuild to get maemo software :/09:28
skiburI was reading on that myself09:28
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skiburyeah09:28
skiburslacky is to simple that its hard to keep up with updates09:29
gmi'd go debian if anything :)09:29
skiburbut at the sametime, I really don´t need features but reliability09:30
skiburdebian is good09:30
sbzi prefer freebsd :)09:30
gmok, you port the kernel then :)09:30
skiburI´m loving my bluetooth iGo Keyboard09:30
hahlomost eastern europe hackers seems to use slack09:30
skiburlol09:30
skiburI´m from TEXAS09:31
skiburway down south09:31
DeLe0nskibur where?09:31
skiburwhere the murder rate is freak high as well09:31
hahloI'm from east europe09:31
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sbzgm: i heard about freebsd arm, but i don't know anything about this port09:32
gmit would be rather interesting having freebsd on the nokias though09:32
skiburI near Nuevo Laredo, Mexico09:32
skibur*I´m09:32
DeLe0nskibur: I'm from Monterrey, Mexico09:33
skiburnice09:33
DeLe0nnear...09:33
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sbzI'm from Paris, France09:33
skiburskibur = skybur = rubiks09:34
DeLe0nsss paris... i heard a mexican girl fell from the eiffel tower last week... don't know if its true09:34
hahlosbz: do you know place called louvre?09:34
skiburLaredo?09:35
sbzhahlo: yeah it's an art museum09:35
hahlosbz: there is computer lab under it. friend works there09:36
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sbzhahlo: you can see lot of painting from different century art movement09:36
sbzhahlo: hehe09:37
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skiburwell need to jet09:39
skiburlater hackers and users alike09:39
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* tigert <3's adblock plus for os200809:40
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pupniktigert: what kind of adblock database do you use?  does a large adblock list slow down browsing?09:45
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tigertI have no clue09:49
tigertit JustWorks(tm)09:49
tigertI think there is no ui to tweak it09:49
tigertwill have to look09:49
tigertat my laptop i use filterset.g updater09:49
tigertwhich works nicely09:49
sbzpupnik: i use this http://adblockrules.org/download.php09:53
sbzit works fine09:53
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pupnikthe new browser is the biggest software event in the maemo world imo09:56
pupnikcongratulations to everyone who worked on it09:56
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pupnikThe little devil on my shoulder is saying "Hildonize Dillo!"09:57
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cy3o3damn10:02
cy3o3os2k8 *still* intermittent :(10:02
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guerbywow, the repo situation isn't fixed yet?10:33
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timelyxacydlord: ogo or oqo?10:40
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timelyxVulc|Sleepysleep: the backup stores the names of apps, not the apps10:42
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timelyxpupnik: i've had links crash :)10:46
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pupnikwow.  good job :)10:47
JaffaMorning, all10:49
timelyxmorning10:49
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L0cutusthe best thing to do for who is reinstalling all after os2k8, is to disable the "delete cached apt packages" in red pill mode and then install all the apps via xterm and apt-get, than save all the packages found on /var/cache/apt/archives/ in SD for backup10:56
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L0cutusafter that is possible with dpkg to reinstall all this packages automatically10:57
L0cutus(i've read this on itt)10:57
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guardianmorning11:12
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L0cutusseems canola2 is available for install :)11:21
L0cutusbut unable to install due to missing deps11:21
chencaL0cutus: wait , in a few minutes Canola 2 will be available11:22
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L0cutuswow :)11:24
L0cutusthanks11:24
AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:25
jeddy3seriuosly? that will make my whole day! :)11:26
AD-N770the problems with the maemo repository are not fixed yet?11:26
jeddy3man, have i been missing canola since os2008 upgrade!11:27
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chencawe need to check the rep, hold on11:27
AD-N770I also will upload nethack and tuner tool for IT2008 today :)11:27
AD-N770but I've chinook beta and I would like to upgrade to final in order to do the builds, but the repo is not working11:29
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timelyxad: out of curiosity, if you ping repository.maemo.org, what host does it list?11:39
timelyxfrom one box, i get akamai and from the other i get edgesuite11:39
gpdkagu is broken on 2008 for me - no such file or directory error11:41
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acydlordtimelyx, it was an ogo11:43
AD-N770timelyx: a515.g.akamai.net (84.53.146.16)11:43
timelyxacydlord: hrm, i'lll have to look that up11:43
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acydlordi just noticed that the maemo.org repo and the firmware update just started working for me again11:44
acydlordtimelyx, http://ogo.com11:44
acydlordfrom the site it looks like they added a phone feature to the ogo and it is out in parts of europe now11:44
gpdkagu is now working on 2008 forme - python2.5-cairo required11:44
timelyxcute, a gameboy for people who like keyboards11:44
acydlordit's pretty much a sidekick without the phone portion, well was when i had it11:45
timelyxso is the repository actually slow?11:48
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timelyxbecause form my perspective, it seems fast11:48
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acydlordit seems to be going a wee bit sow now11:50
acydlordat least the extras repo is11:51
acydlordhavent downloaded anything from the main repo yet other than the new OS image11:51
acydlordbut that only took about a minute 3011:51
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acydlordwow, hildon-application-manager is running at 121%11:55
acydlord208% lol11:55
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timelyxi'm sure the repository won't appreciate what i'm doing very much, but it seems to be relatively responsive11:56
acydlordlol, what are you doing to it?11:57
timelyxdownloading dists/* and pool/*11:58
acydlordno wonder it's laggy for some of us =x11:58
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timelyxi started after you complained11:58
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timelyxit's only giving me ~12K/s11:59
acydlordanyone else have map showing up in availible updates but then complaining about being installed from a different source when you go to update it?11:59
timelyxcute12:00
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cy3o3Damn12:04
cy3o3I cannot get os2k8 to finish :(12:05
timelyx"finish"?12:05
cy3o3yeah, the d/l keeps stopping12:05
cy3o312mb, sometimes 35mb, sometimes 6mb, etc :P  Really annoying12:05
acydlordit was giving me timeouts and corrupt files earlier, then about 15 min ago it worked12:05
timelyxplease call nokia care and complain :)12:05
timelyx(seriously)12:05
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acydlordwell the topic says the problem is being worked on12:06
cy3o3yeah12:06
timelyxacydlord: complaints are still useful12:06
gpd[canola2 downloads... along with a *lot* of other stuff]12:07
acydlordcanola2 released now?12:07
* timelyx needs to add -np to these wgets12:07
acydlordi like this restore applications feature12:07
gpdcanola2_2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1_all.deb12:08
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chencain a few minutes :-) but, we are testing the repository12:09
chencaso you can test too12:09
acydlordi see12:10
gpdI am running it now - :D12:10
chencagpd: this version canola2_2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1_all.deb ???12:11
chencaor the new one?12:11
gpdno - just the one above - but new to me12:11
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* flip^ peers at chenca ... is canola2's beta out?12:16
jeddy3canola2 is SWEET!12:16
jeddy3good work if anyone involved is listening12:17
etrunkoflip^: run for it12:17
chencain a few minutes... I hope12:17
etrunkobora and chinook are available12:17
AD-N770there's someone that could create a package for me on a final chinook build env?12:17
AD-N770source is at http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/tuner-0.10.3.tar.gz12:17
timelyxAD-N770: nice package name :)12:17
timelyxor something. whatever n770galaxy is12:17
Ryback_jeddy3: yep, we're here!12:18
AD-N770just umpack and run dpkg-buildpackage12:18
Ryback_jeddy3: we're releasing the site in a few minutes12:18
AD-N770timelyx: my blog is http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com/ :)12:18
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jeddy3Ryback_, etrunko, chenca and all others: GOOD work!12:19
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timelyxbtw, nethack is one of the few apps i use/like :)12:19
gpdIs it sensible to run my /media/mmc1 as ext2/3 ?12:19
chencajeddy3: thanks!!12:19
Ryback_jeddy3: thanks12:19
Ryback_gpd: nope12:19
timelyxgpd: plan on plugging your device into a mac/pc anytime soon?12:19
cmarcelojeddy3: if you have a blog, make a post about canola2 ;-)12:20
gpdRyback_: timelyx I only plug into Linux12:20
jeddy3cmarcelo, sorry don't have one12:20
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Ryback_jeddy3: and file bug reports if you find any problems12:20
cmarcelojeddy3: ...or give some feedback in the new site we'll publish in a few minutes :)12:20
Ryback_:-)12:20
AD-N770timelyx: I expect upload packages for IT2k8 of nethack and tuner tool today12:21
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chencadam designers,  always delaying the release :-)12:21
jeddy3ok...just playing with the interface still...but one thing i thought of right away (and i don't intend to whine, cause overall it's great) ...but movies doesn't fullscreen on clicking them?12:22
Ryback_lol12:22
flip^chenca: run... for it..?12:22
timelyxchenca: that doesn't happen here :)12:22
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flip^still looks like a delay notice on the web site :(12:22
jeddy3only since you asked for feedback :)12:22
Ryback_flip^: yep, just a few more minutes to the site be available12:22
flip^aaah12:23
flip^you guys the developers, or just in the know? ;)12:23
MoRpHeUzjeddy3: thanks =) (with some delay)12:23
jeddy3you all earned it12:24
etrunkoflip^: it's already available on extras repository12:24
flip^aah12:24
flip^are the repositories behaving today, i wonder12:24
Ryback_jeddy3: the movies should go to fullscreen when you click them12:24
chencaflip^: don't tell to anyone, please :-)12:24
flip^chenca: i wouldn't dream of it12:24
MoRpHeUzhehe12:24
jeddy3Ryback_, wait let me double check...no...doesn't happen12:26
etrunkohttp://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/canola212:26
MoRpHeUzjeddy3: hhmm, strange...I'll take a look on that...12:27
jeddy3they do go fullscreen on fullscreen button anyway12:27
MoRpHeUzhhmm...12:28
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rothielHello World :)12:29
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acydlordhmm, i'm getting an invalid key from the nokia repo12:34
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L0cutusmaemo repo are a real disaster...12:39
acydlordthat they are12:39
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acydlordwell i'm off to bed, hopefully i'll have better luck with the repos in the morning before i leave12:40
jeddy3how does one get album covers for that canola can read?12:40
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MoRpHeUzchenca: ^^^12:41
chencahum... this is not automatically yet, but you can use a python script to do this for you12:41
chencajeddy3: can you run a python script in your device? (using ssh maybe)12:42
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jeddy3chenca, yes thats fine with me, i'll wan't to do this for my entire collection for all players anyway12:42
jeddy3chenca, sure12:42
acydlordis tere a way to dump and refresh the gpg kys for the repos?12:43
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chencajeddy3: go to this site http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/chenca/canola-tuning.git;a=tree12:44
chencathere you'll find 2 python scripts, one to download album cover from Amazon and Last.Fm and other to generate video thumbnails12:45
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jeddy3chenca, thanks!12:45
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* pupnik refreshes12:46
chencaCanola2 store the album covers by default in ".canola/covers/<AUTHOR>/<ALBUM/cover-[i].jpg "12:46
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* Jaffa still thinks that's a backward step and Canola shouldn't have lost the "use cover.jpg from within the dir" (even if it does then cache it internally. End-users aren't going to download Python scripts from random git trees either ;-)12:49
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X-FadeJaffa: Just change the code if it bothers you? :)12:49
JaffaGiven the funky album art view, and the focus given to the album art within the music player - I'm surprised it's not a show-stopper.12:49
* flip^ glares at his canola download sitting about 10% into the 6mb download :S12:50
JaffaX-Fade: indeed :-/12:50
* jeddy3 agrees12:50
chencaJaffa: I will change the script to look inside the local dirs, so you can get you covers from Amazon, Last.fm or loacl dirs12:50
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Jaffachenca: that'd be cool. presumably there are plans to bundle the script internally at some point?12:51
cosmo_i just tested colleague's n810.. i'm VERY impressed12:51
chencafor sure, but I can't say when :-)12:51
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pupnikhttp://www.mautner.ca/projects/hifi/usbdac.html  interfacing a USB DAC to your amplifier for low-noise playback from a linux machine12:53
ccookeAre there any trusted mirrors of the os2008 update?12:54
X-FadeI wonder why the repositories can be so slow. They are hosted by Akamai. They tend to have great geographical caches?12:55
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ccookepass. Horribly slow, though.12:55
tank-manive seen it on many torrent sites12:56
ccookeanyone got a good md5sum of the image?12:56
tank-mancheck the md5sum after downloading12:56
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* MoRpHeUz officially launchs Canola2 Beta: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/12:58
MoRpHeUz=)12:58
dortoyay!12:59
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chencaWe are very happy to announce that the new version of Canola is now available!12:59
cy3o3well I give up on downloading os2k8 for today13:00
cy3o3christ13:00
cy3o3heh13:00
ccookehttp://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/all13:00
ccookemuch faster downloads there13:00
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ccookeHmm. Any rules on *not* topicing that url?13:03
timelyxyes13:03
ccookeit looks like it would be useful to people13:03
timelyxthe license you agreed to prohibits doing that13:03
ccookeah ha.13:03
ccookefair enough, then13:03
timelyxhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/27282513:03
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timelyxthose are the rules (forever) that you clearly didn't read13:04
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timelyxccooke: complain to nokia care13:04
timelyxpersonally, my favorite part of the rules is that if i have 2 devices, afaict from reading them, i'm expected to download it twice :)13:04
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ccookethe rules also seem to contradict the GPL...13:05
timelyxthe rules cover stuff not governed by gpl13:06
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timelyxsome of which is stuff nokia has under license13:06
ccookeoh, I know13:06
ccookeand I expect that13:06
timelyxas for "combining" GPL w/ non gpl13:06
timelyxmy general understanding is that GPL covers linked and executable binaries13:06
ccookeI just haven't yet found the part where their claims that you can't do anything with the stuff only apply where there isn't another license13:07
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timelyxi don't believe it specifically covers miscellaneous tarballs13:07
ccookenot quite13:07
ccookeThis image is a *distribution*13:07
timelyxgpl does have some requirements, but those are honored13:07
timelyxif you ask nokia for sources, they will send you them13:07
timelyxiirc on a cd13:07
ccookewhich means that Nokia are compelled by the license to include all sources *and allow you to make derivative works*.13:08
ccookeit's perfectly acceptable, though, for them to block you from altering the rest13:08
timelyxnot include13:08
timelyxnever include13:08
timelyxonly make available to you at request13:08
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ccookesorry, yes. poor choice of word.13:08
timelyxvery different13:08
gmas long as it's not sveasoft-style...13:09
timelyxanyway, keep in mind that if *you* re-distribute GPL files, *you* fall under the GPL obligations13:09
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ccooketimelyx: Naturally.13:09
timelyxso if e.g., you get foo-gpl-1.0 from nokia today13:09
ccookeI have no actual problem with nokia in this regard, btw13:10
timelyxand you put the binary for foo-gpl-1.0 onto a server today13:10
timelyxand nokia stops distributing it today13:10
inzoo, the browser supports ipv6, yay13:10
timelyxand i download it from you tomorrow13:10
kulveinz: really? nice :)13:10
timelyxinz: of course13:10
inzkulve, it's disabled by default, but supported13:10
timelyxthen i can complain to you on the very last day of the gpl's license terms asking for source13:10
timelyxbut you can't get the source from nokia, because your grant from them would have expired13:10
kulveinz: did you notice my earlier question?13:10
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inzkulve, which one?13:11
timelyxyou're then up a very odd creek without a paddle :)13:11
kulve08:2213:11
ccooketimelyx: not really13:11
* timelyx waits for an explanation13:11
inzkulve, I tried to fix some code uglinesses in the "ui-rework" osso-xterm13:11
ccooketimelyx: /me double-checks - it's actually been a while since I read the GPL :-)13:12
kulveinz: should the 2008 version support launching the term like "xterm command"?13:12
timelyxi suppose i should pin to a specific version of gpl too13:12
inzkulve, I think it should, not sure13:12
kulveinz: I couldn't get it working with a quick try..13:12
inzkulve, they might have broken it, I wash my hands of the bundled version ;)13:12
ccookegotcha.13:12
ccooketimelyx: go on, then?13:13
kulveinz: I want the old version back :)13:13
timelyxgpl2 -  http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php13:13
ccooketimelyx: althguoh v2 seems the most sensible for this purpose, being the most common.13:13
ccooketimelyx: Okay, then. I will get you the source.13:13
ccooketimelyx: *at my cost*13:13
inzkulve, it's in the trunk, I guess I should fix it13:13
ccooketimelyx: that cost, if the source is no longer available, may be prohibitive13:13
timelyxsee 3.b.13:13
inzkulve, IIRC it doesn't quite compile on any target currently13:13
timelyx3. You may copy and distribute the Program13:14
timelyxb) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three13:14
timelyxyears, to give any third party13:14
ccooketimelyx: for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution13:14
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* timelyx smells a weasel13:15
kulveinz: please do :)13:15
ccookeif I have no copy of the source and no original vendor, then I'd have to obtain a copy. I would then pass that cost (and only that cost) to you.13:15
timelyxccooke: i don't understand how that helps13:15
kulveinz: I'm ready to test it, if there's need13:15
timelyxccooke: hrm, interesting13:15
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timelyxbut you'd be obligated to do that, yes?13:15
ccooketimelyx: oh yes13:15
timelyxif you go bankrupt first and fail to accomplish, can you recover your costs? :)13:16
ccooketimelyx: well, the license makes no statement as to whether you charge *before* or *after*13:16
timelyxhrm13:17
ccooketimelyx: I suspect the only way to do this would be via repeated invoice with due dilligence, to prove I'm using the cheapest methods possible13:17
flip^hmm, is the upnp stuff not in canola2 after all?13:17
timelyxi believe i'm actually used to people asking for postage in advance13:17
timelyxso yes, i can see that13:17
timelyxbut yeah, that'd be i nteresting13:17
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lardmanIs canola open source now?13:18
ccooketimelyx: of course... if I *failed* to comply, I'd merely lose the right to distribute that file under the GPL13:18
chencalardman: some parts are13:18
timelyxccooke: which i suppose you wouldn't mind losing13:18
timelyxcheater13:18
kulveinz: the kernel doesn't have ipv6 turned on by default, right?13:19
chencaflip^: the UPnP functionality will be provide in a plugin, this plugin will be available soon13:19
ccooketimelyx: and I doubt the whole problem would stand up in court - taking someone to court over something like that would look far too much like a premeditated attempt to cause trouble for somoene13:19
lardmanchenca: which parts aren't, or is that on the site somewhere?13:19
timelyxccooke: anyway, the problem is that the same weaseling can be done by someone bigger13:19
flip^chenca: ah, cool... it'll be nice to have everything in one media application finally :)13:19
timelyxthey could stop distributing their binary on some day13:19
timelyxand stop distributing the sources for it on the same day13:20
chencalardman: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/developer.html13:20
timelyxclaiming they've relinquished the right to distribute that binary :)13:20
ccooketimelyx: *nod*13:20
timelyxwhich is really not the goal of gpl13:20
timelyxso one would hope that *that* is not really acceptable13:20
ccooketimelyx: on the other hand... they could never then release an updated or *related* version13:20
ccookeand that doesn't work as a business model13:20
lardmanAtabake then, the media engine13:20
ccooketimelyx: basically, that's a tactic that would not *work* for any reasonably large company13:21
* timelyx nods13:22
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timelyxccooke: iirc there have been amusing instances of this sort of thing basically killing small linux distributions13:22
ccookeoh?13:23
timelyxslashdot article from a few years past13:23
timelyxi can't think of any useful way to search for it13:24
timelyxbut basically it revolved around distributions which basically collected files from other distributions to make tiny distros13:24
ccookeahh13:24
timelyxbut they didn't have the resources to host the sources13:24
timelyxthe sources would of course be much larger than the distro13:24
tontsathat same question was raised with the various ubuntu editions13:25
ccooke(you know, it's really nice using a linux PDA that's got working *USB2*)13:25
sp3000timelyx: hrm, did you read part 5 of the os license? :)13:25
ccooke(reflashing *should* only take moments)13:25
timelyxsp3000: um,... .13:25
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ccooketontsa: ... but ubuntu *does* have sources13:25
timelyxyeah i read that13:25
timelyxit was um... odd?13:25
tontsaccooke, yeah but those various unofficial spin-offs13:25
timelyxoh wait13:25
timelyxright, that means that no matter how many times i download it13:26
timelyxi can still only install it on one device13:26
timelyxgotcha :)13:26
timelyxsp3000: did i misread anything?13:26
timelyxooh13:27
timelyxi missed that part13:27
sp3000depends13:27
timelyxyou're not allowed to use the old software for more than 90 days after getting newer software13:27
timelyxi wonder if my 770 is in violation13:27
timelyxit's running mistral13:28
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timelyxalthough, i don't believe i've ever *received*  gregale13:28
sp3000I guess you need to delete cookies or wait for them to expire so you can agree again :)13:28
timelyx?13:28
sp3000for the former, not the latter13:29
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sp3000oh well, enough magic, time for lunch13:29
timelyxi'll see you there13:29
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gmrepository.maemo.org is acting very strange13:34
gmit's alternating between coming down at 300k/s, and timing out13:34
gm5 seconds apart13:35
youamgm: sounds like a broken load balancer13:36
gmyeah, that's my guess13:36
gmit beats down all the time :)13:37
ccookeSo, does anyone know what's changed in the new release?13:37
ccookeI didn't see a changelog or anything on the Nokia site13:38
gm"getting started" is in the help menu13:38
lardmanccooke: there is a changelog13:38
ccookehmm13:39
ccookeI must be blind, then. *goes to look again*13:39
lardmanccooke: linked from the maemo.org news item, lists changed package versions13:39
lardmanhttp://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html13:39
ccookeah, thanks!13:39
lardmannp13:39
ccookels13:41
ccookegrr13:41
lardmanman grr13:42
ccookeNo manual entry for grr13:43
lardmanI thought it might be the command to scare away segfaults13:44
inzkulve, no it doesn't, and as the ipv6 has hooks everywhere, it is not even enough to have a module, you need the whole kernel13:44
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inzkulve, try http://inz.fi/osso-xterm_0.13.mh25_armel.deb (no guarantees ;)13:44
kulveinz: sorry. I can't test right now because my device is in loan. I'll try it later today or tomorrow :/13:45
inzkulve, you probably need to install it with dpkg manually, as it's a "downgrade" and you may not replace packages from other repos13:46
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lardmanchenca: so you plan to be able to scale running video?13:46
lardmanchenca: or rather change the scaling as it's running13:46
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lardmanchenca: how do you plan to achieve this, opengl....?13:48
chencalardman: opengl ?13:48
chencalardman: no way...13:49
lardmanhow will you be able to change the scaling of running video?13:49
lardmanreading handful's post here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9499913:49
chencalardman: let me see this :-)13:50
lardmanor is it just a wishlist?13:50
lardmangrep "scale video in realtime"13:50
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chencalardman: ok, heheheh designers :-) But our intention is to use libXine to help on this13:53
lardmanchenca: ok, I was wondering if you had some knowledge about the PowerVR that was behind this statement, but it appears to be a wish rather than a plan13:53
chencalardman: I believe that handful is talking about a simple and smooth transition from non-fullscreen to fullscreen13:54
pupnikbleh13:54
lardmanyes, but is that possible with the processing power available?13:54
lardmani.e. is that wish realistic (unless libXine has some crafty trick up its sleeve)?13:56
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chencalardman: we don't have the answer yet, but when we start this new version of canola nobody believes in the effects  and transitions (photo screen) , but we got13:57
flip^is the osso-statusbar thingie in a repository that's sane to use with os2008? i forget where it hides13:57
lardmanchenca: I'm not knocking it, I think it would be great, I was just angling for info on the PowerVR ;)13:57
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chencalardman: :-)13:58
kulveinz: does that depend on ttf-bitstream-vera ?13:59
dortocanola on N800/OS2008 doesn't detect any music from the internal memory card(shows them in "Settings" but not in "My Music". Also, no Canola applet.14:00
chencadorto: Canola-Applet is no longer exist14:01
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alteregoToday I'm very hung over. So it's ruby-maemo day :D14:03
kulveinz: nm14:03
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chencalardman: goes to http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST/ and check the Rage application, I think that Handful wants something like this14:08
chencalardman: is it possible? Ask me in the next year :-)14:10
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lardmanchenca: running WinXP at work, looking for a video14:12
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chencalardman: http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi 26Mb14:15
lardmanchenca: thanks, I'll try to have a watch (it just killed Firefox :) )14:17
chencalardman: ouch14:17
lardmanand WMP won't play it, ~lart Microsoft14:17
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chencalardman: copy to your N800 and uses Canola :-P14:18
lardman:)14:18
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lardmangood idea14:18
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lardmanfinally got the right set of codecs for WinXP14:31
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tmr8612Hi all. Anyone trying to up usbnet under OS2008?14:33
lardmanchenca: ok, so that's pretty cool, a bit clunky but running ~20 videos at the same time14:33
lardmanchenca: but the scaling was only of very small videos to slightly larger ones, I'd be interested to see scaling all the way from the thumbnails up to full screen14:34
chencalardman: hehehehe hard work, as i said, ask me in the next year :-)14:35
jeddy3hmmm, canola2 refuses to show cover art in "album cover" view...but shows them in all other views14:38
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chencajeddy3: really ?14:38
jeddy3chenca, yes14:39
chencajeddy3: strange14:39
lardmanchenca: something like this would be good: http://www.mdk.org.pl/2007/11/17/gl-colorspace-conversions14:39
X-Fadechenca: Are videos supposed to thumbnail?14:39
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chencaX-Fade: not automatically, yet14:41
X-Fadechenca: Ok ;) Just wondering..14:41
chencaX-Fade: until now you have to use a python script to generate video thumbnails for you14:41
chencaX-Fade: but this could be a feature soon14:42
* pupnik refreshes14:42
chencalardman: "hardware-accelerated" is a dream for us !!!14:43
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lardmanI thought you were attached to Nokia in some way - can't you push for powervr?14:44
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chencalardman: No, unfortunately we don't this power14:46
lardmanshame14:46
chencalardman: we don't have14:46
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chencajeddy3: I made some tests and its working well14:58
chencajeddy3: Did you install any previous version of Canola or Canola2 ?14:59
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jeddy3chenca, nope, flashed new os2008 two days ago, installed canola2 when it turned up in extras15:02
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jeddy3(with libbz2 from fbreader-repo15:02
jeddy3chenca, used your script on svn to download coverart15:03
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chencaif cover art appears on player Screen, the scripts is working15:04
jeddy3chenca, probably :)15:06
gpdIs there a fix for the BT-GPS connection issues on OS2008? I thought the new version would fix it but no.15:06
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jeddy3chenca, one little hickup though: the script ran into some "undefined" problem or something on one image...making canola hang in "cover-flow" screen with that image in view...removing it solved hang-issue, but still...no album cover screen15:08
jeddy3or rather album cover screen with all question marks15:08
chencajeddy3: please post a bug report on garage https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=125&atid=198915:08
chencaand try to run the script again, use the option "-w all"15:09
jeddy3oh, bugreport is already there :)15:09
chencajeddy3: thanks15:10
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jeddy3chenca, i didn't post it, so i cant take credit =)15:10
chencajeddy3: we will check this ASAP15:10
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jeddy3correction: "EvasLoadError: A non-specific error occured" on one image15:12
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chencajeddy3: can you list to me what files are in the .canola/covers dir?15:12
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tmr8612does anyone sucess to connect over usbnet? (N800, OS2008, g_ether)15:16
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jeddy3_chenca, sorry had to change router15:17
jeddy3_haha, ook: rerunning the script with "-w all" caused the _problematic_ image to be the ONLY one showing up in album cover screen =D15:17
jeddy3_will remove everything and do again15:18
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JaffaInteresting that texrat (a Nokia employee) is advocating (entirely unofficially) the use of separately downloaded (and hosted) firmware images.15:21
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chencajeddy3_:  if this doesn't work, No Problem, I will check this later... Now I have to go, I'm wake for 32 hours :-) I need sleep15:22
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kennechenca, im here15:23
jeddy3_chenca, thanks for help! go enjoy your successful release!15:23
chencaif someone have questions regarding Canola2, please ask to kenne, he is a Canola developer too15:24
chencabye15:24
kenneor better yet, join #canola15:24
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jeddy3_hmmm, browsing cover directory now...cover-small.jpg in every folder except the one now working is broken symlinks to non-existant cover-small-1.jpg15:27
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jeddy3_aah...the thumbnailer-thread for generating cover-small images seems to crash on first image15:29
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killfillhey.. anyone has flasher-3.0 static somewhere?.. cannot download it from nokia.com.. :S15:33
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jeddy3_removing album that made thumbnailer crash made everything ok, will have to get home and recopy album to see what can have caused this15:38
kennejeddy3_, please do a bug report and attach the image15:41
jeddy3_kenne, will do15:41
kennegreat, thanks15:41
jeddy3_kenne, but i'll have to get home first :)15:41
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kennethat is ok :-)15:42
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killfill"our browser sent a request that this server could not understand"15:47
killfill?15:47
killfillanyone get that on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0 ?15:47
Cordup.15:48
dpb_yeah15:48
Cordyup.15:48
killfill:S15:48
killfillcan you guys borrow me flasher-3.0-static?.. finnaly got the image here.. but no flasher.. :P15:48
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dpb_borrow? You going to return it then after use? :)15:51
killfillsure!.. :)15:52
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killfilldpb_: do you happend to have it somewhere?..15:53
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jeddy3_kenne, another thing :) ...removing album directory and rebuilding database (rescanning directories) DOESN't make albumcover.py NOT wan't to make thumbnails for that specific album15:54
dpb_Not the official version.15:54
killfillooh. just found on in my .Trash..15:54
killfill:)15:54
dpb_plus this isn't even static..15:55
dpb_now that flasher page says: The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause.15:56
killfillwell at least it has that string in its name.. :P15:56
killfillyup15:56
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jeddy3_ok, how do i make nokia internal indexer realise i actually REMOVED a album15:59
jeddy3_forget that!, my bad16:00
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kennejeddy3_, hmm, the script reads from the db16:04
kennebut rebuilding the db doesnt means that it has committed the changes16:04
kennejeddy3_, try exiting canola and try again16:05
kennelike exit canola after updating the db and then run the script16:05
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jeddy3_kenne, works now, I was me tripping16:06
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kenne:)16:06
jeddy3_kenne, thanks for all the help16:07
milhouseafternoon chaps16:07
kenneyou're welcome16:07
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milhousepdflush process - anyone else seeing 100% cpu activity while browsing (os2008 on n800)?16:08
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milhouseit's causing the browser to not respond, with the os suggesting it should be killed, when i don't think it's a browser issue16:10
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jeddy3_kenne, updated bug #1791, but can't find where to attach files...16:13
kennecan you upload it somewhere? and add a link16:13
jeddy3_kenne sure, hold on16:14
kennegreat16:14
kennethanks for the trouble16:14
jeddy3_HA! no wonder evas is confused about the "Image" =)16:16
jeddy3_it's a htlm-file with the 404 message :P16:16
kennedoh!16:17
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gpdIs nobody else having issues with bluetooth GPS (iblue2) in OS2008 on N800 - mine keeps losing the connection to the device - i had no problems in bora.16:20
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jaharkes_gpd: Had no trouble with OS2008 beta and an iblue 75716:21
gpdjaharkes_: using maemomapper 2.2?16:22
jaharkes_yes, just started maemomapper16:22
jeddy3_kenne, updated the bug...this was what was causing the trouble for me16:22
jaharkes_this is with the latest os200816:22
gpdmine is an iblue 737 - but don't think that makes a difference and I'm now using 52-2 but problems with the beta too16:23
kenne:)16:23
jaharkes_they should be mostly identical, the 757 has the track log functionality16:23
gpdthe connection is fine but then drops away every 5 minutes or so16:23
jaharkes_gpd: how did you set up MM for the gps? direct connection, or through gpsd?16:24
gpdmaybe i should try a reflash with no restore.16:24
gpdjaharkes_: no idea - i will look in the prefs16:25
gpdin maemomapper it is set to bluetooth and my mac address16:25
jaharkes_that's how I've got it as well16:26
gpdchanging to gpsd localhost to see if that helps16:26
gpdjaharkes_: so yours stays connected for long periods without issue?16:27
jaharkes_haven't really used it for a long time16:28
gpdwell - more than 10 minutes would be a good enough test16:29
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jaharkes_how can you tell your connection has dropped?16:30
gpdin maemomapper it says 'cannot find gps device' or similar16:30
gpdthen you click ok and it searches for it - then finds it again - then connects for another 5 -10 minutes16:31
gpdrepeat...16:31
jaharkes_hmm, don't recall seeing that, testing it now.16:31
jaharkes_ok, MM just crashed on me when I hit a zoom in button16:32
keesjhi16:32
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jaharkes_and it crashed because the bloody internal mmc card got disconnected again16:33
jaharkes_I wonder if it is a mechanical issue, like whenever I pick up my n800, the internal card gets ioerrors, I've become totally used to opening/closing the back cover without even looking or thinking about it to get the card recognized again.16:36
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tontsatime to send the unit to service i'd say16:38
tontsano problems like that with n800 or n810 here16:38
gpdtontsa: wrt jaharkes_ 's problems or mine?16:39
jaharkes_gpd: probably mine16:39
tontsajaharkes_'s16:39
gpdany ideas where i could find debug info on errors connecting to gps receiver?16:41
milhousesyslog?16:41
milhousei would suggest installing syslogd/klog etc. but the state the repositories are in it could take you days...16:42
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gpdmilhouse: syslog would be handy - i'll look into setting that up16:42
jaharkes_gpd: mm been up for the last 10 minutes or so without any disconnections16:42
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gpdjaharkes_: ii  maemo-mapper   2.2-os2008 <<- same?16:43
lardmanmaking progress: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/error.txt16:43
lardmanvorbis_dsp_headerin: oggpack_read(&opb,8) is almost returnign what it should "vorbis", but I have two 16bit chars prepended to my buffer16:44
jaharkes_according to dpkg -l, yes16:44
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gpdok - well mine is not being found at all now :( time for serious measures16:44
lardmanhmm, I'm actually getting 0x01, 0x01, v, r, b, b, i; looks like the bit reading code still needs some love16:46
jaharkes_gpd: one interesting thing, even when I didn't set up mm to use gpsd, it still gives that location applet in the status bar, which to me indicates that gpsd is probably running16:47
* lardman tries the Nokia shop, still not working, not much left of this week....16:48
gpdjaharkes_: yes - i have the satellite icon too with the unit paired in the settings. that too seems to drop the connection so i suspect trouble.  guess i'll have to test out the device back in bora and be sure there is no hardware problem.16:48
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gpdmilhouse: repositories seem fine wrt syslogd/klogd downloads (slow - but ok)16:50
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gpdmilhouse: nothing wrt bt/gps seems to be logged to syslog :|17:00
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qoshey guys17:01
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L0cutusis this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631  the definitive guide for cloning os ?17:03
milhousegpd: :(17:03
milhousedunno about definitive, but one method and probably the easiest! :)17:04
L0cutusok,thanks i'll try ;)17:05
milhouseyou may have trouble donwloading wget/e2fsprogs - i haven't been able to download jack since the firmware release.17:06
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gpddon't suppose anyone has the 2007.38.2 bin anywhere handy?17:06
milhousegpd: don't recognise that one17:07
timelessmilhouse: memory card fix17:07
gpdRX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin17:07
milhousegot a 4.2007.36-2 for OS 2007/77017:07
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timeless(kernel)17:07
timelessfor n80017:07
gpdfor n800 - last release before os200817:08
gpdwant to test the bt gps with old os before panicing17:08
milhouseah yes... os 2007 (christ these nokia filenames are rubbish!) :)17:08
gpdi am downloading at slow rate from nokia...17:08
timelessgpd: so you just clicked throught he license17:08
milhousei have it, but by the time i get it uploaded over my 128k upload link you might have it yourself :)17:09
timelesswhich means you know no one can legally give you taht file17:09
gpdok - nvm17:09
timelessi'd give you the url, but my gateway timed out :)17:09
timeless(or rather their gateway)17:09
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czrhey timeless, how was rome?17:12
timelessgood, thanks17:12
* czr nods17:12
L0cutus<milhouse> you may have trouble donwloading wget/e2fsprogs - i haven't been able to download jack since the firmware release.17:12
timelessthere are pictures in my gallery, but i left my good camera in helsinki (i meant to take it), so they're all really poor quality17:12
L0cutusinfact...17:12
czrtimeless, I'll take a look at them when I get back, I'm on/off here atm17:13
L0cutusi've already e2fsprogs, but not wget unfortunately17:13
timelessl0cutus: do you know where wget should be?17:14
timelessis this chinook or something else?17:14
L0cutusno..17:15
L0cutusi'm searching..17:15
timelessi think i have a computer /slowly/ retrieving those items17:15
L0cutusno, it is maemo that is a desperation this deys :)17:15
L0cutusdays*17:15
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gpdok - fresh flash of os2008 with no restore - gps location details ok, tracking...17:17
L0cutusi think i can download from gnu and compile it myself :)17:17
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skiburI've been hacking, lifting weights, running, and kicking butt in 3rd Strike17:17
skiburI like my vacation so far17:17
milhousei *think* wget is/was in extras (chinook) but since i haven't got a successful apt-get update in days i can't be sure17:18
qoscan somebody help me create a sed expression which greps a string consisting of 32 upper-chars?17:18
tmr8612try again :)17:19
tmr8612does anyone sucess with usbnet (N800, OS2008)?17:19
qoscan somebody help me create a sed expression which greps a string consisting of 32 upper-chars?17:20
skiburusbnet?17:20
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tmr8612skibur: ethernet other usb (g_ether)17:21
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L0cutusit compile ok17:22
skiburo ok17:24
maddlerL0cutus: hi! :)17:26
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L0cutusciao maddler  :)17:26
L0cutusok, the wget deb is here :)17:28
milhouseoooh, this pdflush process is going nuts on my n800... i may have to reboot17:29
timelesspdflush?17:29
milhouseyeah, it's taking 100% cpu for extended periods of time17:29
mgedminwriting to flash is very CPU-intensive17:30
milhousei'm not writing anything to flash, it's idle then suddenly pdflush goes nuts17:30
milhousei'm just connected over an ssh session, tried to type something and no response17:30
milhouseeventually managed to run top and pdflush is running at 97%17:31
milhousecpu17:31
milhousejust noticed it happening today when browsing, the os suggested to kill the browser but it's not the browser with the problem17:31
milhouseit's pdflush hogging all the cpu, once it calms down the browser is ok again.17:31
milhousethis is with 2.2007.50-2 btw17:32
mgedminthe writing doesn't happen at once, the system caches something in memory and writes it out later17:33
milhousewell something ain't right :)17:33
mgedminalso, the JFFS filesystem does periodic garbage collection which also uses up the CPU17:34
mgedminotoh if you see a long CPU spike without having written something big (e.g. installing a large package), then something isn't right17:34
milhousefair enough but it shouldn't stop other apps from responding or hog the cpu for extended periods?17:34
mgedminI think17:34
milhousethat's what i'm seeing17:34
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skiburi like my find17:36
skiburhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1338917:36
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lardmanDoes anyone happen to know of any stats on the speed of scaling planar video data vs interleaved video data?17:39
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lardmanno video gurus amongst us?17:41
keesjwe are a pirate17:42
timelessmilhouse: 2.2007.50-2 eh?17:43
* timeless finds that number suspicious17:43
lardmankeesj: helping to keep global warming in check then?17:43
milhousetimeless: yes17:43
milhouseRX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin17:43
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skiburThe more i see the N810 to more I like my N80017:49
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skiburthe more i like my N80017:49
timelessmilhouse: sorry, i think about that as 2008 50-2 :)17:49
milhousehere's top while running apt-get update (which never works, but then we know why):17:49
milhouseMem: 108084K used, 18744K free, 0K shrd, 8K buff, 43860K cached17:49
milhouseLoad average: 1.29 0.70 0.4317:49
milhouse  PID USER     STATUS   VSZ  PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND17:49
milhouse  113 root     RW         0     6 89.1  0.0 pdflush17:49
milhouse 2199 user     SW     28704  1039  2.0 22.6 maemo-launcher17:49
JaffaThe more I see my N810, the more I like it compared with an N800 or 770.17:49
milhousejaffa: stop taunting us! ;)17:50
lardmanthe more I see people seeing their N810s the more I'd like to be able to get one :)17:50
timelessjaffa: nokia should be happy, mission accomplished17:50
milhousegonna reboot this sucker and if pdflush still goes nuts on me i'll file a bug... :(17:51
maddlerJaffa: :)17:51
maddlerJaffa: I'd be happy being able comparing mine ;)17:52
* Solarion wonders when the n810 codes will go live17:52
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milhouse<timeless> milhouse: sorry, i think about that as 2008 50-2 :) <--- me too, that's why I find the naming convention quite bizarre!17:52
milhousehmm.... taking a while for the progress bar to appear.... stuck at nokia logo17:53
timelessmilhouse: i presume you can understand the overall naming, right?17:53
milhousethis ain't looking good17:53
timelessit's basically productname,productsubname,year,date,build,imagetype17:53
timeless(the first bit is a hardware class token of sorts)17:53
milhousetimeless - yes, but when people discuss "2.2007.50-2" you have no idea if that could be OS 2007 or OS 200817:53
* timeless nods17:53
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milhousethe build year is v confusing17:53
milhouseall will be ok for the first 6 months of next year though! :)17:54
timelessbtw, the 2 is actually sorta a major version hint17:54
milhouseyeah, i'm ok with that17:54
timeless0 is predev, 1 should be first release, 2 should be second release (first service release)17:54
milhouseit's the next number that's confusing17:54
timelessyou can kind of use the 2 if available as a hint17:54
skiburNokia is freaking cool17:54
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timelessbecasue for 2007, the number would be >2 by now17:55
timelesss/su/us/17:55
infobottimeless meant: because for 2007, the number would be >2 by now17:55
milhousemy device came up thank god17:55
skiburN800 and the N810 are some bad Ass devices!17:55
milhousejffs2_gcd_mtd4 is now going like the clappers taking 98% cpu17:55
Spakman_< skibur> N800 and the N810 are some bad Ass devices! <---- yeah, they's much better as computers :)17:55
skibur:P17:56
Spakman_skibur: coulnd't agree more - brilliant devices!17:56
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milhousetimeless - yes, but that's hardly a reliable hint17:56
* Solarion would like empirical evidence.17:56
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skiburWow, Gnumeric is out for OS2008?17:57
skiburinstalling now17:57
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guerbyrepository.maemo still sloooooowww ?17:57
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milhouseguerby: fraid so17:57
Solarionskibur: gnumeric is tasty, tasty stuff.17:58
milhouseguerby: unusable here (uk)17:58
LooseHey I found this room finally17:58
Solarion(disclaimer: I'm involved in the project and therefore partisan..  ;)17:58
guerbymilhouse, wow I really wonder what's going on*17:58
milhouseme too... an announcement would be nice17:58
milhousejust to say, like, we're dealing with it17:58
k-sare you experiencing problems with repository.m.o?17:59
milhouseoh yes17:59
guerbymilhouse, may be someone is DOSing them17:59
kulveyeah, like the community17:59
guerbyk-s, yep, extremely slow and unreliable17:59
k-sdamn17:59
andrunko_true17:59
guerbykulve, well they know how many they sold relative to the last release18:00
k-skulve: we have a ogg plugin for canola, but we don't ship it by default18:00
milhousei'm currently getting a gzip error on an apt-get update18:00
milhouseyesterday it was a host not responding18:00
guerbymilhouse, same kind of stuff for me18:00
k-skulve: it's actually for lightmediascanner, would u add it to your ogg-support?18:00
milhouseeither way, can't install jack unless i do it via a deb18:00
kulvek-s: what kind of plugin?18:00
k-skulve: scanner plugin, to detect the media18:01
k-shttps://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms/lightmediascanner/18:01
k-ssee src/plugins/ogg18:01
kulvek-s: so it's just a .so which is useless without the lightmediascanner?18:01
milhousetimeless: looks like the reboot may have fixed the pdflush problem (fingers crossed)18:01
k-skulve: basically18:01
k-skulve: we already ship all other plugins18:01
k-skulve: just don't ship the ogg because it would depend on your repo18:02
Loosemilhouse:  you mentioned gnumeric right as I entered... is it being ported to OS2008?18:02
k-skulve: if you upload your packages to repository.maemo.org/extras, then we could upload it too :-)18:02
milhouseLoose: not me, someone else18:02
LooseRight, it was skibur18:02
kulvek-s: I guess that would be the best solutions?18:02
kulve-s18:02
blast007Loose: just before you entered: 09:54:12 < skibur> Wow, Gnumeric is out for OS2008?18:03
LooseTHANKS18:03
k-skulve: we think so18:04
skiburwow18:04
k-skulve: then we could provide the ogg plugin and ogg would be detected automatically18:04
skiburit nice (Gnumeric)18:04
skiburNow I can view my data correctly18:04
skiburAbiword... Fix your (string) problem! :(  ;)18:05
kulvek-s: I guess I dare to upload the packages there. It's quite unlikely that they will break anything..18:06
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kulvek-s: and then I could in the future put new version to my repo for a day or two for testers before uploading to the extras..18:06
skiburhuh?  what up?18:06
skiburI need to get to work18:07
skiburworking on a converting app18:07
skiburrtf doc xml html chm etc...18:08
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pupnik /lastlog code18:11
k-skulve: great, let me (or even better: etrunko) know when you have it done18:11
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k-skulve: etrunko is our package master ;-)18:11
Looseskibur:  where is gnumeric for 08?18:12
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zoranany news about maemo repositories?18:13
zoranextras, pool are still down18:14
milhouseif quim is here - please post a quick update on maemo announcements about the repositories and the download situation in general... :)18:14
maddlerzoran: they were unreachable for me untile yesterday... this morning they where just *slow*...18:14
zoranalso, sadly18:14
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milhousemaddler: they're not responding correctly here, whether thats' due to slowness, timeouts or something else i don't know18:15
timelessmilhouse: dunno, i think it's actually relatively reliable18:15
zoranI've read post on users mailin list about download franzie for os200818:16
milhousei've not had a single successful apt-get update since i installed os 2008 50-218:16
milhousethats 3 days ago18:16
timelessmilhouse: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/18:16
timelesslists the versions pre 38-218:16
milhousei've got 'em all :)18:17
timelessczr: so are you back enough to take bug feedback? :)18:17
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skiburhold on Loose18:18
czrtimeless, no :-)18:18
czrtimeless, still in GA18:18
* timeless cries18:18
timelesssomething really bad is happening here18:18
timelessi have a pointer that doesn't work18:19
czrit's my holiday! :-)18:19
timelessand i can't figure out why18:19
timeless.ga.us ?18:19
czrI refuse to do stuff for other people during my holiday :-)18:19
czryeah timeless18:19
timelessatl?18:19
skiburhttp://gronmayer.com/it/18:19
milhousehere's what i get when trying to update repostories - i'm using standard repositories plus extras and extras-devel. http://pastebin.ca/82546318:19
czrtimeless, savannah18:19
milhousebums me out :(18:19
czrwell, close to savannah really.18:19
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czrttyl -> house choers18:20
czrchores even.18:20
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LooseThanks skibur18:20
timelessextras-devel eh?18:20
timelesshow many evil top level repositories are there?18:21
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/18:21
timelessi've only started collecting the main repo18:21
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skiburhttp://gronmayer.com/it/index.php18:23
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timelessskibur: that's not answering :)18:23
|tbb|hi all18:23
skiburright there ^      Just add that Repos18:23
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milhousearse... pdflush  has just gone nuts on me again18:24
milhousebugtime :(18:24
skibura crap18:24
skiburyour link18:24
milhousebeen running at close to 100% cpu for over 15 seconds solid18:24
timelesssp3000: is eero around? you guys should find out what's up w/ milhouse's fs18:24
|tbb|anyone knows where the backup settings for the os2008 stays and will the n800 settings equal to the n810 so i can restore anything from n800 to n810 both working on os200818:24
tontsamilhouse, when that happens how's your memory situation18:24
timelessskibur: mine is a shell it /will/ or /might/ eventually be a mirror of things18:25
timelessatm it's just a shell18:25
milhousetontsa: i've just rebooted, the only app i'm running is the browser and Application Manager18:25
skiburtschmidt   <---    add that Repos18:25
skiburlol18:25
skiburo ok18:26
tontsamilhouse, you have the adblock plus installed?18:26
milhousetontsa: no - i've not installed anything on this device other than openssh-server18:26
milhousetimeless: looks like extras is the culprit as far as catalogues/repositories are concerned18:26
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milhouse(at least for me anyway)18:27
tontsamilhouse, ok.. well then something has definately gone wrong. i have pretty happy browser on 81018:27
milhousenot sure it's a browser issue at all18:27
milhousefor some reason pdflush just goes nuts18:27
milhouseand whatever app i'm using at the time takes the hit18:27
milhouseextras is in a very bad way18:28
zoranany background process or zombie?18:28
timelessmilhouse: i can't find pdflush....18:28
* timeless wonder if it's a kernel thing18:28
milhouseit is18:28
milhouseseems to be linked to memory management18:29
milhouseand writing to the filesystem18:29
tontsait's handling the dirty buffers18:29
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milhouseright... i wonder if my jffs2 fs is having problems?18:29
milhousedmesg looks clean18:29
milhousealthough i don't know what to make of this:18:30
milhouse[ 2181.507812] DSP Pausing failed, skipping OP change!18:30
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milhousei'm not running anything media related...18:30
user-770morning18:30
milhouseafternoon18:30
tontsathat's happening in every boot on my n810 too18:30
milhouseguess it's nothing to worry about for now then18:30
tontsai doubt it's anything more than informational18:30
user-770someone know where I can find info when n810 will be available in each part of world?18:31
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tontsamilhouse, maybe run vmstat 1 when that happens to see what's happening18:32
Looseskibur:  Got gnumeric now... muchos gracias!18:32
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tontsauser-770, doubt there's any accurate site.. like n810 was suppose to be available in finland middle of november and it finally hit the streets last week18:33
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milhousetontsa: i'll give it a try if i can18:34
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user-770tontsa: ;(18:34
timelessuser-770: buy tea leaves18:34
timelessthen practice using them18:34
user-770timeless: ;)18:34
timelessyou'll have better answers than anyone else18:34
user-770probably18:34
timelessmuch more reliable :)18:34
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killfillhey guys.. does mono run on os2008?18:34
milhousetonsta: vmstat isn't on my n800... is it in one of the nokia repositories?18:35
user-770timeless: looking at n800 situation here looks like n810 will be also not available18:35
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tontsamilhouse, procps package is atleast on repository.maemo.org18:36
tontsadunno if you need to enable Red Pill to see it in App Manager18:36
mgedminI once tried building a procps deb with vmstat18:36
tontsaohh.. it's for bora18:36
mgedminthe build failed, but it did produce a vmstat binary before failing18:36
mgedminI copied it to my n800 and use it now18:36
Locutus6711hi everybody. can someone tell me whether the battery life changes, after upgrading to OS2008???18:37
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tontsabut i guess procps should work on chinook too.. it hasn't changed much in years18:37
milhouseprocps won't install - says busybox is already the newest version18:38
tontsaheheh18:38
milhouse(and it can't find a vmstat package)18:38
Locutus6711nobody?18:40
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tontsaLocutus6711, sure it will since on os2008 the processor is overclocked18:40
Locutus6711but hasn't the energy-management improved?18:41
Locutus6711esspecially wlan with display off18:41
vegaihave they cancelled the maemo dev program or something?18:42
vegaiI haven't heard anything from them18:42
Locutus6711because I read that the N810 should have 5 days in always-online mode.18:42
user-770Locutus6711: without screen/bt/wifi/gps and when user will not touch device?18:42
milhouseLocutus: power management has improved, 5 days is a little optimistic18:42
Locutus6711I mean that is why I am considdering to wait for the N810 or to buy the N800 now.18:43
tontsamilhouse, i guess busybox' nmeter might be usable. like: nmeter '%250d%t %20c int %i bio %b mem %m forks%p'18:44
timelesslocutus: may i ask *where* you read that?18:44
Locutus6711many sides18:44
timelessspecific urls18:44
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Locutus6711http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3757269&section_id=530&culture=en-GB18:45
Locutus6711ther is written: Always online time: up to 5 days18:45
milhousetonta: no nmeter here :(18:46
tontsathat's very optimistic, for me the battery lasts about 1-2 days18:46
milhousetontsa: same here and my wifi router (linksys wrt54gs) supports PSM18:46
tontsamilhouse, wow.. really stripped down busybox then. i left my n810 at office18:46
Locutus6711ok, i think that is enough for me18:46
milhousetontsa: oh yes indeed!18:46
Locutus6711and you are always online and available with the N800 ?18:47
milhouselocutus: n810 probably saps more power than the n800 because of the gps, but aside from that they should be very similar18:47
tontsai have bluetooth connected almost always, running mostly xterm and microb18:47
milhouselocutus: always online, always available (very stable 11g home network)18:47
lardmanmilhouse: perhaps the lack of an FM radio makes up for it ;)18:47
Locutus6711and wlan?18:47
milhouseno bluetooth here - only use that when i'm out18:48
milhouselardman: possibly :)18:48
erstaziyeah, I am still up in arms over getting the n800 or n810... but I might not get either since my 770 has served me perfectly well over the course of its life.18:48
milhouseaesthetically i much prefer the n81018:48
tontsai just got 810 for it's keyboard. even though the keyboard is bit lacking, but still very usable18:48
tontsawould be impossible to use wireless keyboard in busses/on the move18:49
erstazitontsa: I will agree, tapping is difficult on a 770 and n800 heh18:49
Locutus6711ok, so than I will buy an N800, if you think that the battery-life is more than one day with WLAN switched on18:49
milhouseit will be, as long as you don't use it too much18:50
erstaziLocutus6711: it really depends on how much you use it, same with the 77018:50
milhouse2 days tops if you leave it idle but connected18:50
Locutus6711ok, thank you very much18:50
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erstaziI have friends who have the n800 and I don't see much gain in the battery life18:51
Locutus6711compared to your 770?18:51
erstaziLocutus6711: not from what I have seen and touched18:52
erstaziLocutus6711: its all how you use it... just like laptops18:52
Locutus6711yes, sure18:52
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lardmanbye18:54
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skiburI just cut a headphones jack to use it as an antenna18:55
skibur:)18:55
erstaziskibur: heh18:55
skiburit was a quick hack18:55
skiburto enable the radio18:56
erstaziskibur: with this headphone jack hack, what is the estimated expansion on the furthest radio station being received?18:57
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|tbb|is there a site of the available shortcuts of using the n810 keyboard, like ctrl + q closes the actually window19:02
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skiburchecking19:04
skiburI didn't hack my nokia headphones19:05
erstaziskibur: well, I meant any headphone set19:07
LooseJust find an old headphone set that's busted... I've got plenty19:07
erstaziLoose: this would also require having something newer than the 770 only at hand (:19:08
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zoranerstazi, 770 is good enough for most mundane tasks19:12
skiburnot sure about expansion, but I get the same amount of station with my stereo19:12
||cw|tbb|: ctrl+q would be application specific19:13
||cwthough I think it part of UI guideline for gnome or gtk or something19:13
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skiburas far as the headphone hack, it needs a little bit more wire length :P19:14
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erstazizoran: hence why I haven't really jumped and bought the n800 or n810 (:19:15
zoranmost console apps work fine19:15
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erstazizoran: have you tried irssi on the 770?19:23
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[pablo]http://flickr.com/photos/bobb/2125306784/19:24
zoranyep!19:24
zoranworks fine19:24
zoranbut cannot type so fast ason laptop19:25
zoranmutt works perfectly19:26
zoranand all perl/pythn scripts19:26
mgedmin[pablo]: how is it mounted?19:27
[pablo]via usb19:27
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|tbb|||cw: thx,  a wiki would be nice19:29
||cw|tbb|: I guess you can start a page, but since the 810 is so new the apps have removed the shortcut notations from the menus to save space on the screen and who knows how many apps even still have the binding left over from the port.  in the end, it's all application specific19:33
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db48xdo any of the various ebook readers work on the n800/n810?19:34
mgedminfbreader works19:35
truenti've got an hour for canola2 to finish downloading before i gotta goto work... come on! squeeze those bits down the pipe19:35
mgedminalthough I haven't a n810 to test19:35
truentnevermind it just failed at about 55%19:36
truentnice19:36
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db48xmgedmin: well, that's a start19:39
|Rcanola2 is out?19:39
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truentlol19:39
truentwell good luck downloading19:39
truentbut yep19:39
|Rhaha19:39
|R2008 is out, canola2 is out... n810 discount is not out :|19:40
||cwgreat, 99% [4 Packages gzip 0] [Waiting for headers]gzip: Invalid magic Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free Packages19:41
|Rtruent : i wonder how many people does it get to hammer a server with small packages...19:41
truentapparently they didnt plan enough for this release19:41
|Rseems like a constant in the tablet world :P19:42
truent2008 crippled their servers then canola 2 is gonna drag it out for another few days ;p19:42
truentyeah19:42
* |tbb| think they arent plan anything19:42
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milhouse||cw - same error here, been like it all day. it seems to be the extras repository that blows up for me.19:44
milhouseon chinook i see you're using mistral...19:44
L0cutusmmm19:44
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kdean06I'm interested in getting a n800 or 810 but I'm wondering how much of the system utilizes Free Software, or more specifically, what parts require non-free software?19:44
|tbb|milhouse for me too19:44
L0cutusmy SD is corrupted :-\19:45
milhousetruent - quite, the bandwidth issues have most likely scuppered all the hard work of the canola boys, anything dependent on extras is a no go for me19:45
truentoh yeah19:45
milhousethis is just one cock up after another, and nobody even seems to be publicly acknowledging there is a problem.19:45
truentwell os2008 for that matter, you cant update or download new programs, good thing we're all geeks and understand the problems.. plus wont give up so easily cuz we know whats in store19:46
truentheh19:47
milhousei doubt nokia have many more chances to get this right19:47
joshinkdean06: (I am not an expert so take with a grain of salt)  Most all of the system is open sourced.  The flash plugin, the skype port, and until recently? some of the tools used to compile for the DSP are not OSS.  Experts, is this about right?19:47
joshinOh and opera isn't OSS either.19:48
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milhouseor half of the wifi stack19:48
X-Fademilhouse: It seems to be a Akamai problem this time..19:48
kdean06But I assume these things can be removed, if one wished?19:48
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milhouseX-fade: i don't care whose fault it is - the radio silence on behalf of nokia/maemo is shocking19:49
milhouse(no offence meant x-fade)19:49
kdean06I don't mind what comes "default" if it can be removed but I assume that it contains firmware to function.19:49
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milhousex-fade: if nokia/maemo actually acknowledged there was a problem i'd feel happier about it19:49
|tbb|any mirror for the latest os2008 for n810 available?19:50
_berto_|tbb|: the best is probably emule or bittorrent19:50
milhouse|tbb| - check itt, there's a few urls knocking about there19:50
X-FadeI don't get why people need aknowledgement about every fart the system makes ;)19:51
milhousebecause it's been almost 3 days now?19:51
X-Fade"Yeah, I heart it too" :)19:51
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milhouseand it's a complete fcking nightmare! :)19:51
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milhousewith no end in sight?19:51
|tbb|md5 sum isnt that secure anymore, is that true?19:51
X-Fademilhouse: Well, at least I can confirm that I see the same problem at my location (NL) :)19:51
CosmicRayis there any alternative download site for the n810 firmware besides tablets-dev.nokia.com?  It seems to go at about 3KB/s and hang a few hours into it, with no way to resume.  I've been trying 2 days now...  and I had this problem with the last update as well, a few weeks ago19:52
CosmicRaythough I eventually got it19:52
milhousex-fade: :)19:52
CosmicRaysomebody needs to torrent the thing :-)19:52
||cwmilhouse: yeah, still using OS2006, I haven't been able to actually install anything in at least a week, just now trying to figure out why.  oddly, it does download whatever i try to install, but then just says install failed19:52
milhouse|tbb| - not heard that before about md519:52
truentits 9mb! torrent? haha19:52
X-FadeCosmicRay: Perhaps you can download it with the Windows software updater ;)19:52
truentthey just need something higher than 14.4kbps modem19:53
milhouse|tbb| - i'm assuming you mean md5 is not reliable rather than secure, but even so "spoofing" a hash/digest would be tricky19:53
CosmicRaytruent: it's 140MB19:53
CosmicRayX-Fade: aren't you just the funny one :-)19:53
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mgedmin|tbb|: it is possible to create two files that have the same md5sum, if you can set about 128 bytes arbitrarily, iirc19:54
X-FadeCosmicRay: I'm not kidding. Perhaps we need to find out where that flasher gets the image. (Because it _is_ fast)19:54
CosmicRayand, in fact, speak of it... http://www.mininova.org/tor/105174219:54
mgedminI've seen two pdfs that had different text but the same md519:54
db48xyea, the only files that md5 is safe for anymore is plain text19:55
truentahh thought you were talkin about canola ;p19:55
mgedminI don't think it is currently possible to produce a file with the same md5sum as another file19:55
db48xmgedmin: it is19:55
mgedminin a reasonable amount of time?19:55
milhousemegedmin: i'm not saying it's impossible, but tricky19:55
db48xsure19:55
mgedmindb48x: link?19:55
db48xlemme find a link19:55
db48xI recall a page that has 12 pdfs, each with a different prediction for the next US presidential election, all with the same md5 hash19:55
* |tbb| thinking about downloading it from nokia itself or just goto torrent19:56
||cwsearch for md5 collision19:56
db48xyea, here: http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/Nostradamus/19:56
mgedmindb48x: that's what I said: you can create two files with the same md5sum19:57
mgedminbut you currently can't create a file with a given md5sum19:57
mgedminso, if you were nokia, you could create a real OS image and a fake OS image, both having the same md5 hash19:57
mgedminbut if you can't change the original, you can't create a fake one19:57
truenthuh.19:58
milhousedownloading a corrupt file that happens to have the same hash as the uncorrupted file is very unlikely. not impossible, but unlikely. manufacturing a file with the same hash as another but different file would also be difficult/tricky, but not impossible.19:58
_berto_there are some torrents out there: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=os2008%20torrent19:58
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db48xmgedmin: no, you can use the same attack to generate a document with any hash that you want19:59
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milhouseactually manufacturing a collision seems quite easy, but i'd say that it happening due to random chance where a corrupt file has the same hash as an uncorrupted file is still highly unlikely to happen20:02
db48xyea, that's true20:02
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L0cutusError reading block 196617 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan.  Ignore error<y>? yes20:06
L0cutusthis just after a mke2fs+fsck.ext2 on my SD20:06
* |R thinks nokia's .install should have been torrent wrappers :P20:07
L0cutusnot a good thing....20:07
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mgedmindb48x: that page talks about creating a pair of documents with a common prefix20:11
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mgedminor is there a better attack described later on?20:11
* mgedmin reads more closely20:11
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|tbb|nice ive installed the new update of os2008 on my n800 now i cant install anything from the repros ;( , canola is available but no way to install it either, then i have getting a n810 "old" fw  and cant install anything ;(( . At first i think nice day, but now .....20:18
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k-s|tbb|: repositories are suffering from too many accesses20:18
* mgedmin fails to find any mention of generating a document that would produce a given md5 hash20:18
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|tbb|okay then i shout it out loud. everybody plz stop downloading anything from repros! ;)20:19
truentjust got canola2 ;P20:20
truentwewp20:20
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killfilldamn.. repo is still shoked.. :P20:21
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steriis canola2 out not?20:26
sterinow?20:26
steriomg20:27
|tbb|truent how about the speed, does it have kinetic scrolling like ukmp20:27
k-ssteri: it's out, but repository.maemo.org/extras is suffering from multiple access20:28
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steriyea :S seems like it20:29
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|tbb|maybe the canola team bombarding the maemo extra repository with dos attacks , to care about her own server ;)20:31
truentlol20:31
k-sehehehe20:32
truent|tbb|, kinetic scrolling, it works.. hard to test on mine though, at least for photos i just got an sd card with huge photos so it takes a while to load20:32
truentonce you're in the viewing mode of anything i'd say its very polished.. looks pretty darn good20:33
sterishould I update that new os2008 before installing canola2?20:33
|tbb|steri when you can get the new os20:33
k-struent: it should save the thumbnails, so big or small pictures should behave the same20:35
k-s(after initial loading)20:35
truentafter they're loaded yeah20:35
truentinitial loading takes a while, but im talkin 2.5mb each pic and like 200 of em ya know20:35
truentits not easy on my desktop ;p20:35
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|tbb|damn i wish i could hack the keyboard layout for myself (like hitting 2x ctrl button should lock the ctrl button once another key is pressed)20:37
truentcaps lock20:37
truent;p20:37
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|tbb|?20:38
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bucky1if a phone isnt on this list: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetoothdun/ is there no hope, or has it not been tested yet, or is that list not up to date...?20:44
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|tbb|will a magnet be negative for the electronic or the lcd of a n810?20:55
kulvek-s: is there a wiki page / etc. about the extras repository?20:56
|tbb|the battery cover seems to be metal, so if i put the backside of the n810 it on a "magnet wall" will it hurt the machine in any case?20:56
k-skulve: etrunko is the guy to talk with20:57
k-skulve: he is our package/repo master20:57
|tbb|or will it hurt the accu20:57
kulvek-s: I think I found the page20:58
* timelyx cries20:58
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timelyxkulve: how much do you know about repositories?20:58
kulvetimelyx: well. Something.20:59
timelyxhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/27325720:59
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timelyxi got that error page from that url20:59
timelyxif you use camino/firefox or microb+spellchecker, and look in the textarea, you'll understand my cry21:00
kulveI don't :)21:00
|tbb|ah maemo repository works fine now, faster than ever21:01
|tbb|a little sarcasm, must be allowed21:03
MoRpHeUz|tbb|: hehe21:03
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|tbb|k, gotta leave work now, they dont pay me for waiting downloading something from the repros, but if so i were much richer than now ;)21:06
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kulvek-s: (I'm speaking to you, as you are here and etrunko is not): I just noticed a slight problem preventing me to upload to extras. Some of the source packages has the same name as the ones in the repository.maemo.org21:08
etrunkokulve: here i am!21:09
etrunko:)21:09
kulvee.g. gst-plugins-base021:09
kulveetrunko: hi :)21:09
skiburlol21:09
skiburhacking is all I know21:09
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etrunkokulve: may i ask what are you trying to do?21:10
kulveetrunko: did you see my note (I ignore joins and parts, so I don't see when people come and go)21:10
etrunkoand what is going on?21:10
etrunkomissed it21:10
kulveetrunko: I was about to upload my ogg-support to extras to be better available for your project21:11
kulverepeat: k-s: (I'm speaking to you, as you are here and etrunko is not): I just noticed a slight problem preventing me to upload to extras. Some of the source packages has the same name as the ones in the repository.maemo.org21:11
k-ssorry, I was out21:11
k-sreading...21:11
kulvek-s: well, etrunko is here now too..21:12
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k-s:-)21:12
kulvetechnically there's no problem, but if people do "apt-get source  gst-plugins-base0.10" they'll get my version and not the maemo version. Although that's going to happen currently too, if they have my repo on the sources.list21:13
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etrunkokulve: that happens if you upgrade the package version number21:14
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kulveand if I wouldn't have it would be even harder to get the version of the source package you want..21:14
etrunkoyup21:15
kulvenow one can state the version number for the apt21:15
etrunkoactually you need to upgrade it if you have changes21:15
etrunkothat's the right thing to do21:15
kulveyeah21:15
timelyxkulve: they can pin the version number21:15
kulveI could have modified the name of the source package too..21:15
etrunkokulve: let me try to understand it21:16
etrunkoyou got the gst-plugins-base0.10 from maemo21:16
kulveyup21:16
etrunkochanged it a bit21:16
kulveyup21:16
etrunkonow you're trying to send it back21:16
kulvewell.. Yes.21:17
etrunkoso21:17
kulveI changed the name of the binary packages, so they won't collide21:17
kulvebut the source packages will.21:17
etrunkohmm21:17
kulveand my source package doesn't provide the binary packages the maemo version does21:17
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maddlerevening...21:17
kulvei.e. the only binary my source provides is gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-ogg21:18
etrunkokulve: you should provide the same packages the original one does, plus this one21:19
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hugolpmaemo.org is very slow. Is just me?21:19
kulvethen it would install my version of the gst base package and I can't know what gcc options etc. the original package might have..21:20
etrunkohugolp: unfortunately that's for everyone21:20
etrunkokulve: it would install only the gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-ogg21:20
etrunkoas the other packages are compatible21:20
kulveyeah, but my version number would be greated21:20
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etrunkoand the user would just install your other packages if it runs apt21:20
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etrunkonot using the application manager21:21
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hugolpetrunko: do you know if I installed OS2008 beta I can upgrade or do I have to flash for the official one?21:21
kulvehugolp: I think you need to flash it21:21
kulveI have the same problem21:21
skiburK-PAX is a great movie21:22
kulveyou can't upgrade e.g. kernel with app.mgr. afaik21:22
hugolpbah21:22
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kulvehugolp: but it should be able to restore apps installed from repositories. Although I saw some blog telling not to restore from the beta..21:22
etrunkokulve, hugolp: the same applies to the other nokia closed-source binaries21:23
kulvesucks21:23
CosmicRayblat.  that bittorrent link for os2008 was the n800 version, not the n810 one.21:23
CosmicRaysigh21:24
hugolpguess Ill have to install over21:24
hugolpnot that I have critical data in the N800, but still sucks21:24
etrunkohugolp: yeah :(21:24
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hugolpdoes anyone know a fm radio player for the N800 with OS2008?21:27
FMZhugolp: It's in the installable applications list.21:27
hugolpFMZ:  what name?21:28
hugolpyour right21:28
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CosmicRayis there any way to apply n810 firmware upgrades without losing all my files and settings?21:34
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timelyxyou can backup things21:35
timelyxhowever, i'd like to advise you not do that21:35
timelyxin theory os2008 has support for non flashed updates21:36
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timelyxhowever there were no plans to use it for this release21:36
CosmicRaytimelyx: why not backup?21:36
CosmicRaytimelyx: are you speaking of the built-in backup app, or using rsync or something myself?21:37
timelyxsome settings or files may be such that you don't want them restored21:37
timelyxeither.21:37
timelyxif you have files you personally value, copy them to some other device21:37
timelyx(not the internal mmc which you can easily corrupt)21:38
timelyxyou can use the internal backup to backup the list of installed applications21:38
timelyxbut in order to restore that list, you'll need to enable some repositories before you restore21:38
timelyxbut please don't do a full backup/restore :(21:38
* timelyx hates having to make such a request21:39
Vulc|Bleh[14:38:46] <timelyx> but in order to restore that list, you'll need to enable some repositories before you restore -- And those repositories will not actually all be there if you try today...21:39
Vulc|Blehsome are down because everyone is using them21:40
timelyxoh yeah, that's the other cool part21:40
timelyxpersonally, if i were you, i'd wait a week21:40
timelyxnot because the new software is less stable, and not because i want you to use the old software, because i really don't21:40
Vulc|BlehThe new software really _is_ less stable, though21:41
Vulc|Blehas far as I've seen... the app manager is crashing more21:41
timelyxbut if you have a number of applications you installed, it'll be painful trying to recover them21:41
CosmicRaydoes the windows updater do a non-destructive install?21:41
Vulc|Blehnope21:41
timelyxno21:41
Vulc|Blehall clear everything21:41
timelyxthere are no installers21:41
CosmicRaysigh.21:41
timelyxthey're only flashers21:42
Vulc|Blehwhich repos are down?21:42
timelyxi'm curious, what software have you installed and how much stuff have you configured?21:42
Vulc|BlehBecause mine won't even finish refreshing21:42
timelyxVulc|Bleh: generally the maemo.org hosted onces are21:42
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Vulc|Blehyeah, but I got some things from -extras last night21:43
Vulc|BlehOh, its working... slowly, but working now21:44
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youamhm. my (one week old) n800 does not power on any more. it shows the nokia logo without the progress bar for a few seconds, then dims the light and shuts down after another few seconds. any ideas what's wrong with it?21:47
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Vulc|BlehYouam: Try charging it for a day21:50
Vulc|Blehif that doesn't work... Dunno.  Maybe try removing the battery and reseating it21:50
youamtried reseating already, and it's already on the charger (but iirc it said it'd still have a few hours usage time left)21:51
youamit started misbehaving after failing on a system backup :-(21:51
Vulc|BlehReflash, if you can21:52
Vulc|Blehif theres stuff you absolutely need on it... dunno21:52
youamVulc|Bleh: it turned off before the flasher can connect to it21:54
Vulc|BlehDid it go into host-mode, though?21:54
hugolpis there something wrong with the repos?21:54
hugolpOS200821:54
Vulc|BlehRepos are down/sluggish because everyone is trying to upgrade at the same time21:54
youamanyway, i'm trying recharging it for now, but it doesn't show the "hey, i'm alive and charging" screen21:54
hugolpVulc|Bleh:  ok21:54
hugolpIll wait for tomorrow I guess21:55
youamVulc|Bleh: it showed the usb icon, but didn't stay alive long enough to actually do anything21:55
Vulc|BlehOuch21:55
youamfunny. if i unplug the charger, the black screen goes alive, shows the nokia logo for a second, then the screen dims, two seconds later it's dead again21:56
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timelyxthere's some magic called play dead mode21:57
* timelyx doesn't remember the rules21:57
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timelyxiirc the rules involved removing the battery or switching to r&d mode21:57
youamtimelyx: seems to be triggered by the backup tool21:57
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* timelyx wonders how to lie about dns to wget22:00
youamtimelyx: the rules for getting it into or out of this mode? :)22:00
timelyxoh i'm pretty sure i remember the rules for getting into it :)22:00
timelyxsomething like 10 failed boots in a row :)22:00
timelyxthe idea being that rebooting continuously is bad for the device :)22:00
timelyx=> play dead22:01
youamah22:01
youamseems that taking the battery out for a minute or two helps. it booted22:01
Vulc|BlehHow do you even take the battery out?22:01
Vulc|BlehMine is impossible to find a way to actually grip it22:02
timelyxum, typically you had to put the battery in when you bought it...22:02
timelyxoh, the cheating way is to slap the other part of the device against your hand22:02
timelyxthe battery should go flying :)22:02
Vulc|BlehHeh, I never thought of that :(22:02
youamVulc|Bleh: it's possible, but not actually as nice as for other devices.22:02
timelyxthe more correct way is to use fingernails22:02
timelyxyou're supposed to grow those for nit's :)22:02
Vulc|BlehI have none of those22:02
timelyxfwiw, nails are a definite advantage for nokia tablets22:03
timelyx(they're a major disadvantage for apple's touch devices, it's a product differentiator :)22:03
youamhehe22:03
youamwish me luck, i'm trying the backup again22:03
Atariilol ur a crazy fool22:04
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youamand it failed again. fsck it.22:04
Vulc|Blehit could be a bad card22:04
youammy digicam is fine with that card22:05
youamand i just reformatted it within the n800, just to be sure22:05
Vulc|BlehHm22:05
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timelyxyouam: what's this?22:08
youamtimelyx: what? &-)22:09
timelyxthe problem you're having22:11
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||cwhm, /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found22:21
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youamtimelyx: i think it really doesn't like the secondary sd card - with the card it's not even possible to move data from the system itself onto the primary card. with the secondary card removed, this does work22:24
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db48xhrm22:28
db48xmy n800 is trying to run this elf binary as a shell script22:29
* db48x bets it's the wrong architecture22:29
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timelyx||cw: we don't have that file, it's non-fatal, ignore it22:32
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ferulogrgrgr, stupid repository.maemo.org server!22:33
||cwthis this much be the real problem22:33
||cwdpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1417 package `osso-af-startup':22:33
||cw value for `conffiles' has malformatted line ` dc6920fa7d69e82f1a2f0920799dd461'22:33
timelyxyouam: please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org22:34
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timelyxyouam: please include details about your memory card22:36
timelyxi'm not sure where you can get it, maybe dmesg? or syslog (if you can install sysklogd)22:37
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||cwyup, there's a line with nothing but that value on it, gonna delet it22:37
youamtimelyx: will do when i get my new card for the n800, so that i can figure out whether it's because of this card or because of the slot or...22:38
||cwthat worked, wonder what went wrong22:38
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timelyx||cw: did you keep the line somewhere?22:41
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timelyxgreat, my n810 killed my n8122:42
thoughtfixThey fought over copyright infringement?22:42
thoughtfix;)22:42
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Knirchmas:D22:43
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timelyxok22:45
timelyx||cw: can you possibly pastebin the conffiles section from osso-af-startup?22:46
timelyxthoughtfix: nah, my n810 decided that it was ok to spend time chatting22:46
timelyxmy n81 was responsible for the network22:47
timelyxactually, i'm not certain ... i also had gps-maps active and this other thing22:47
timelyxbut it seems more likely that telepathy would hurt than stationary bluetooth gps22:47
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GNUtonHi22:48
thoughtfixOoooh it killed the battery?22:48
timelyxyeah22:49
timelyxthankfully my n81 cried out for help and i gave it life support :)22:49
||cwtimeless: in a bit, update is running22:49
maddlerhmmm... looks like BOTH my SD cards are gone... strange...22:50
maddlerwasn't there a bug or something about SDs and OS2008?22:50
timelyxmaddler: not that i know of22:50
maddlermumble...22:51
ferulohas anyone set up a mirror of repository.maemo.org ?22:51
timelyxmaddler: i don't track all bugs for maemo22:51
timelyxferulo: i'm building one slowly22:51
timelyxbut technically repository seems to be akamai'd, just not usefully22:51
feruloit's really needed, I think I don't have access to p.m.o anymore :)22:51
GNUtondoes anyone know kkito?22:55
timelyxferulo: you're preaching to the people in the pit22:55
timelyxinfobot seen kkito22:55
infobotkkito <n=offs@227.Red-83-57-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 266d 2h 6m 3s ago, saying: 'Sho_, ah ok'.22:55
timelyxthat kkito?22:56
GNUton:(22:56
GNUtonkkito had developed a inpute metod fro Qt..22:56
GNUtons/fro/for22:56
GNUtonso i want reuse his code..22:56
timelyxok, then um... that's the right kkito :)22:56
maddlersloooooooooooooow... damn... I'm trying since yesterday to reinstall everything...22:57
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timelyxhey, you could be as mean as i am :)23:01
* timelyx is making 2 continuous requests to some instance of repository.maemo.org :)23:01
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maddlertimelyx: hehe23:06
ccookeHmm.23:07
ccookeAnyone else having trouble with the n810's GPS?23:07
ccookeThus far, it's done... Nothing.23:08
maddlerccooke: I'd be happy to try it... ;)23:08
CosmicRayworking fine for me23:09
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ccookeHmm23:09
CosmicRaythough I am having trouble with my device not wanting to power on sometimes23:09
ccookeIt's never yet managed to get a location23:09
CosmicRayusually letting it sit and then trying again 30 minutes later fixes that23:09
CosmicRaymake sure you aren't covering up the antenna, which is in one of the upper corners23:09
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ccookein the map application, pressing the satellite button gets a confusing display of (sometimes) some bars and numbers23:10
ccookebut.. that's it.23:10
CosmicRayif you get bars then you're seeing the sats23:10
CosmicRayhow long hav eyou waited, and are you outdoors?23:10
ccookeCosmicRay: I've never yet had time to wait more than 15 minutes23:10
ccookeand usually outdoors, yes23:11
CosmicRayshouldn't take that long23:11
CosmicRayclear view of the sky?23:11
ccookeopen space at least 40m from anything taller than me?23:11
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ccookeRight now I'm indoors. it's showing a few bars, but I haven't found *anything* about how to read the data23:12
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CosmicRaywell close out the gps info screen and look at the map23:12
ccookea blank green screen.23:13
CosmicRayperhaps you need to take a tour over the help files for the map app.  it sounds like you haven't loaded the maps for your region.23:13
ccookeshow current location gets me "Location information not available"23:13
ccookeNo, the maps are loaded23:13
CosmicRayok in that case it still doesn't have a fix23:13
ccookeI've been able to find places.23:13
ccookedo you have any idea how to read the GPS display?23:14
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ccookeIt's frustrating having this data that does no good23:14
CosmicRayi don't have it in front of me, but it should be showing you the strength of the signals from various satellites23:14
ccookeright.23:14
db48xarrg23:14
ccookeand the numbers beneath the bars?23:14
db48xhave you guys seen my stylus? it was around here somewhere earlier23:14
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maddlerdb48x: try whistling! :D23:15
ccookeright now, for instance, I see three strong bars, with two rows of numbers beneath them23:15
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db48xmaddler: heh23:15
maddlerdamn... I can't install ANYTHING! :|23:16
db48xaha23:16
db48xbehind my keyboard23:16
maddlerif I knew that... I wouldn't upgrade... :(23:17
maddlerdb48x: as always ;)23:17
inzccooke, I would guess the numbers are the numbers of the satellites23:18
timelyxmaddler: what do you need? :)23:18
maddleralmost everything... :)23:18
ccookeinz: yeah, that was my guess... but each bar has two numbers, one above the other...23:19
inzccooke, whichi is most likely to reduce width23:19
ccookeinz: if that's the case... then this thing is seeing 51 datellites.23:20
ccookeand still isn't getting a lock23:20
inzccooke, oh, that's not possible23:20
ccookesee why I doubt this?23:20
inzThere's only 24 of them23:20
ccookeyes. Quite.23:20
ccookeI'm wondering if the upper number is "satellites I've locked on to" and the lower number "satellites I can detect"23:21
ccookebut hey.23:21
||cwtimelyx: original http://pastebin.ca/825865  I took out the line with only "dc6920fa7d69e82f1a2f0920799dd461" and it works, though there's probably a conf file that dpkg now no longer knows about23:22
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* timelyx nods23:25
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timelyx22 Conffiosso-af-init/nice-launch-wrapper-tryrestart.sh cda6727e12a5bdd9b4e85eb8bf9db81223:25
timelyx2323:25
timelyxthat's strange23:25
timelyxa-defines.sh seems to be the one23:26
||cwhm, that line is strange, but it doens't complain about it23:26
timelyxerr23:27
timelyxaf-defines.sh23:27
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||cwhuh, line 22 isn't what my file looks like...23:28
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||cwaf-defines.sh is in /etc/osso-af-init/?  what's its hash?23:28
timelyxsorry, i'm not running official23:29
timelyxfind someone else :)23:29
timelyxtell them how to use grep :)23:29
etrunkokulve: are there any -dev packages for mogg?23:29
||cwI'll just leave it out, not likely to actualy cause a problem since it's a core package and I won't be dis-upgrading23:29
timelyxum23:30
||cwdist-^23:30
timelyxwe hope to do upgrades eventually23:30
||cweventualy, but not likely from 200623:30
timelyxyou're using 2006?23:30
||cwyeah, on a 77023:30
||cwactualy, I'm more likely to flash it fresh and sell it23:31
* timelyx turns on 77023:31
||cwunless 2008HE is more complete than 2007HE23:31
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ccooke*laugh* so *now* the gps gets a signal... I should complain more often23:32
timelyxheh23:32
||cwdoes OS2008 on the n800 come with the mapping software and can the maps be downloaded or purchased?23:33
||cwif I get an 810 it will be for the maps and software, but if I can get those on the 800, I don't mind using bt gps and I'd like the 2 SD slots23:34
maddlerOS2008 has no differences on N800 and N81023:34
maddler:)23:34
||cwbut the maps come on a microsd in the 810 right?23:35
||cwthey don't come with the OS image right?23:35
timelyxum, it's a 2gb stprage slot23:35
timelyxwhich has *some* regional maps23:35
timelyxup to probably 1.5gb23:35
timelyxwhich is enough to cover east+west usa23:36
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timelyxeverything else, you get to download23:36
timelyx(if you can find space for it)23:36
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||cwwhich is where the 2 SD's would be nice23:36
timelyxmaps isn't quite that flexible23:36
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timelyxat least, from what i've seen23:36
||cwdoes it dl the same way maemo-mapper does or something a bit easier/faster?23:37
timelyxbut, it's where an 8gb internal card could help :)23:37
timelyxa lot slower?23:37
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timelyxit downloads an entire region23:37
timelyxwhich may be huge (say 800mb)23:37
timelyxor tiny (say 8mb)23:37
timelyxa region might be um...23:37
||cwinteresting23:37
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||cwstreet only as well?23:37
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timelyxyou can see water :)23:38
||cwor topo's and/or sat images?23:38
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timelyxbut no ferry paths that i can see23:38
timelyxjust one set of maps23:38
timelyxsingapore is 1mb23:39
timelyxusa east is 733mb23:39
||cwused my 770 on a canoe trip last fall with sat image, was very nice23:39
timelyxi used my 770 traveling through europe and the states23:39
timelyxit worked well23:39
timelyxalthough it'd have been slightly better in europe w/ a working bt gp23:40
timelyxs23:40
timelyxat one point i borrowed a non working bt gps23:40
||cwbut PoI and actualy downloading the maps is a pain23:40
timelyxfwiw, i have yet to see a map downloader ui i actually liked23:41
timelyxthe one for 2008's Map application is by far the simplest23:41
timelyxand when it doesn't fail, it basically works23:41
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timelyxthe Nokia Map Downloader (for Nokia Series 60 Maps which is unrelated to the 2008 Map application) is prettier, has more features, but actually bothered me more23:42
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timelyxsince it repeatedly failed after hours of downloading and insisted i start over from the beginning23:42
timelyx(it didn't save any of the work, even though it was downloading to my laptop first)23:43
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dskippyI looking for someone to hlep me debug my pymaemo (Python2.5 for the OS2008) install. I'm getting a very breif "download failed" message when I install. I'm working off the tutorial on garage.23:43
db48xyea, that's annoying23:43
timelyxas for maemomapper, its ui might leave the other two to be desired, it works and does what you tell it23:43
timelyxunfortunately it forces you to work w/in certain constraints23:43
dskippyI did this last night with another device and it worked.23:43
timelyxdb48x: which phone did you use it w/? :)23:44
dskippyI'm wondering if anyone can help me 1) ensure that it's the site that is misbahaving and 2) help me find a mirrored .deb23:44
timelyxnote: the Map application just doesn't let you batch downloads23:44
timelyxso it's not exactly like it's really "better", just "not worse" because it's missing the feature23:44
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db48xtimelyx: oh, I'm falling behind. it's annoying that the map app is so inflexible23:45
db48xthough fwiw, it has much the same problem with downloads23:45
db48xif the download fails half way through it throws away whatever it managed to download23:45
* timelyx nods23:45
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db48xthis is supposed to be the future23:46
timelyxgiven that corruption can happen23:46
timelyxi'm not quite sure i blame it23:46
kdean06I'm thinking I'll pull the trigger on on an n800 tonight. When tethering to a mobile phone what internet connection speeds should be expected. I keep seeing "dialup internet through mobile". Does it use dialup (i.e. 14.4) or does it use the data capability of the phone/network?23:46
timelyxmy mmc w/ maps is corrupted23:46
timelyxso perhaps starting over isn't such a bad idea ;-)23:46
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db48xwell, it can deal with that by hashing the data and making sure it matches up23:46
slapin_nbhi, all!23:46
slapin_nbis there some mirror for repository.maemo.org?23:47
timelyxslapin_nb: no23:47
db48xbut there's no excuse for not letting it recover an interrupted download, especially when the files are so large23:47
timelyxin theory there's a mirror network23:47
timelyxdb48x: yeah well... i'm not defending maps23:47
timelyxi gave people a long buglist23:47
timelyxand well...23:47
dskippyslapin_nb, are you having issues download and installing from the site?23:47
db48xI'm sure they thanked for that :)23:47
* timelyx rolls eyes23:47
dskippyIt wouldn't be pymaemo by any chance would it?23:47
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slapin_nbdskippy, yeah, very slow and sometimes time-outs :(23:48
timelyxactually, i think they kinda thanked me for the big double sized paper where i had scrolled my list23:48
timelyx:)23:48
dhdfookdean06: I get 3G speed tethered to my N7523:48
dskippyslapin_nb, are you trying to download pymaemo?23:48
dhdfooit's quite usable though there is high latency23:48
dskippyI'm also having a hard time getting python2.5 into the scratchbox today.23:48
slapin_nbdskippy, no, just trying to get indexes for maemo4 using apt :(23:49
timelyxit seems to run in spurts23:49
timelyxslapin_nb: i can probably get you indexes23:49
dskippyI get errors every time I run apt-get inside scratchbox.23:49
timelyxif you have some way to cheat23:49
kdean06dhdfoo, Excellent, thank you. :)23:49
timelyxhttp://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0/23:49
timelyxslapin_nb: is that what you need?23:49
slapin_nbdskippy, I had no problems before not so long ago23:49
slapin_nbtimeless, yes, thanks!23:50
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timelyxslapin_nb: the server is currently fairly hollow, but eventually i'll fill it out23:50
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dskippyslapin_nb, I installed pymaemo on another n800 last night and it worked great.23:50
dskippyMust be the site :(23:50
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GNUtonhildon menus is created viaQDbus?23:51
GNUtonvia Dbus?23:51
timelyx??23:51
GNUtoncan a non hildon application create hildon menu using dbus?23:51
slapin_nbdskippy, it works from time to time, but today I having lots of trouble.23:52
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dskippyslapin_nb, Have you had issues installing stuff from the scratchbox today by any chance? Has anyone?23:52
||cwkdean06: you should get whatever speeds your phone can get23:53
||cwdskippy: yes, servers are heavily laoded today23:54
dskippyHm. Guess that means I'll just have to wait 'til tomorrow. At least it's not my stupidity or bad tutorials.23:55
dskippyThanks, slapin_nb and ||cw.23:55
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