| glass_ | yeah that sounds good | 00:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Google ad crap? | 00:00 |
| alterego | It wouldn't be _so_ bad, but when hildon desktop starts it loses all the other home plugins .. | 00:00 |
| ds3 | yeah, the units I have seen come up with a little toolbar by default that cycles through ads | 00:00 |
| glass_ | alterego: i just wish all j2me vm's did that | 00:00 |
| alterego | Hah | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | WTF are you talking about, ds3? | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Web shortcut applet? | 00:01 |
| ds3 | letme see if I can find a reference to it; I helped a coworker setup theirs | 00:01 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: does that thing cycle between different things? | 00:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't think so | 00:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It was setup for the Tableteer site when I first turned mine on | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | the 770 had the same thing. | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I disabled it. | 00:02 |
| ds3 | let me find a picture | 00:02 |
| alterego | It's static | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you have the same thing on your 770. | 00:04 |
| ds3 | no, this one cycles through different things | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm certain I can't imagine what that would be. | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've used my N800 every day for 11 months. | 00:05 |
| ds3 | i wonder if it is a recent thing they tacked on | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also doubtful | 00:05 |
| ds3 | I can leave a wifi connection on and watch it cycle between different ads | 00:05 |
| alterego | What OS version? | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | as I've used every revision of the N800 firmware ever publicly released. | 00:06 |
| ds3 | alterego: whatever buy.com is shipping | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it on the desktop? | 00:06 |
| ds3 | yes | 00:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then it's either the Tableteer or the Web shortcut applet. | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both of which I disabled the day I got the device | 00:07 |
| alterego | Me too .. | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | and both of which you have on your 770. | 00:07 |
| alterego | I only have the clock and my own ruby home applet on the desktop. | 00:07 |
| ds3 | it looks like the tableteer thing but it was cycling between different things | 00:08 |
| alterego | reset | 00:08 |
| ds3 | I found the tableteer on the 770 | 00:08 |
| * alterego oopsies. | 00:08 | |
| ds3 | i wish i still have the 800 I had access to | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, seriously, ds3, you can turn it off | 00:08 |
| ds3 | 'k | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and since I'm baffled by what you might be talking about | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | we can conclude that it's not an issue. :) | 00:08 |
| ds3 | fair enough | 00:08 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:08 |
| ds3 | different thing, anyone used one of those checked book style cases on the 800 in place of the hard cover on the 770? | 00:09 |
| ds3 | s/checked/check/ | 00:10 |
| infobot | ds3 meant: different thing, anyone used one of those check book style cases on the 800 in place of the hard cover on the 770? | 00:10 |
| vlad_ | for the record, the case that comes with the n810 is pretty damn ugly | 00:10 |
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| vlad_ | it looks like something that a doctor would pull some kind of unpleasant testing tool out of | 00:10 |
| ds3 | vlad_: it comes with a case? all I saw was a little sack | 00:10 |
| vlad_ | (seriously, cyan and gray?) | 00:10 |
| vlad_ | yeah, it's some light gray faux leather thing which has cyan felt on the inside | 00:10 |
| vlad_ | well here, we live in the future, let me take a photo | 00:12 |
| ds3 | alternatively, are there other physical protection for the 800 people use? I am a bit rough on things and the 770's hard case has been very good | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just used the sunglasses-style case it came with. | 00:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's resided in my pocket with my cellphone with no problems. | 00:13 |
| vlad_ | apparently, it takes a while for the future to work, waiting for my photo to show up on flickr that I sent | 00:14 |
| vlad_ | oh, so this isn't a hard case, it's just a leather sleeve thing | 00:14 |
| alterego | It's not even leather :P | 00:14 |
| vlad_ | yeah, sorry, faux-leather | 00:14 |
| lardman|afk | what 64bit number has a low 32bit=-1 and a high 32bits=-1? | 00:15 |
| alterego | I just thought it was felt ^_^ | 00:15 |
| vlad_ | the inside is felt | 00:15 |
| alterego | I think I'll make a steal case for the N810 ^_^ | 00:16 |
| alterego | Just a metal sleeve. | 00:16 |
| ds3 | a la the 770 case? | 00:16 |
| alterego | Something like that. More like the soft sleeve that comes with the N800, but rigid. | 00:17 |
| ds3 | nice | 00:17 |
| ds3 | wonder if the reed switches are still there | 00:17 |
| alterego | Hmm .. I can't find hciconfig O_O | 00:17 |
| ds3 | cuz the close lid and autodisconnect to save power is really nice on the 770 | 00:17 |
| alterego | No, there's no way the N800 has the magnetic sensor. | 00:18 |
| alterego | That's a silly thought. | 00:18 |
| ds3 | one can wish =) | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, you want soft power off. | 00:18 |
| alterego | O_o | 00:18 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: I want it done automatically when I put in my pocket | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll toggle sleep, lock inputs, and switch to (and out of) offline mode with one long keypress. | 00:18 |
| ds3 | I guess I can tolerate that | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | In fact, this is shorter than putting the hard cover on the 770. | 00:19 |
| ds3 | prehaps I can add a working USB OTG stack to the wish list too? | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honesty, the stand is a good trade for the hardcover. | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's already there, ds3. | 00:19 |
| ds3 | that I will have to try for a few weeks to get a really good answer | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Honesty/Honestly | 00:19 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: then why does flasher still offer the host/device options? | 00:20 |
| ds3 | did I miss something? | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it's old? | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it might still be useful for some people? | 00:20 |
| ds3 | oh so on the 800, I just need a power hub and that's it? | 00:20 |
| alterego | I guess there's no hci tools in maemo4 :/ | 00:20 |
| p| | does the n800 usb otg support usb powered hub ? | 00:20 |
| glass_ | does the usb with n800 work nowadays, and with which devices+ | 00:21 |
| glass_ | ? | 00:21 |
| alterego | p|, what do you mean "support USB powered hub"? | 00:21 |
| ds3 | alterego: maybe they hid the HCI tools in the another partition? | 00:22 |
| alterego | You can plug it into a powered USB hub. That's how I get host mode to work, with devices that require more than OTG power. | 00:22 |
| p| | alterego, if i want to connect an usb keyboard and an external hd | 00:22 |
| p| | i need an hub | 00:22 |
| alterego | Ah, yes. I use a hub. | 00:22 |
| alterego | Seems to work fine for me. | 00:22 |
| p| | but i've read that someone have problem with hub | 00:22 |
| ds3 | alterego: do you get a serious battery life hit if you use the USB port? | 00:22 |
| alterego | ds3, not that I've noticed. | 00:23 |
| ds3 | I've had the 770 go from full battery to zilch in about an hour if have used a USB device and not rebooted yet | 00:23 |
| alterego | That's unfortunate. | 00:23 |
| ds3 | heh, you're telling me... finding a dead N770 in your pocket is not a nice surprise ;) | 00:24 |
| p| | also i've noticed a battery life hit if i leave usb port connected to pc... | 00:24 |
| ds3 | p|, 800 or 770? | 00:24 |
| p| | n800 | 00:24 |
| alterego | Can't say I've noticed that. | 00:25 |
| ds3 | I can understand if it is connected (pull ups/downs/etc) | 00:25 |
| alterego | I barely use the USB PC connection. Only when flashing really. | 00:25 |
| alterego | WiFi and BT is enough connectivity for me. The USB PC connection is kind of pointless with the exception of flashing it. | 00:26 |
| alterego | Which will no longer be required .. | 00:26 |
| ds3 | thumbdrives I think are the biggest reason I can think of...maybe occasional CDROM access | 00:26 |
| p| | i use also to exchange files n800<>pc | 00:26 |
| alterego | sshfs ftw. | 00:27 |
| p| | much slow :) | 00:27 |
| alterego | It's fine .. | 00:27 |
| p| | 6-700k/s ? | 00:27 |
| alterego | Quicker than my USB 1.1 laptop me things .. | 00:27 |
| alterego | ~thinks .. | 00:27 |
| ds3 | don't suppose anyone has setup their 770/800 to print? | 00:28 |
| p| | i've read someone have ported cups ? | 00:28 |
| shackan | alterego: I can't find neither hciconfig nor pand, no idea where they ended up | 00:31 |
| p| | shackan, os2008 ? | 00:31 |
| shackan | yes | 00:32 |
| alterego | Pain in the ass .. | 00:32 |
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| p| | shackan, pand doesn't exixts on os2008 | 00:33 |
| p| | exists* | 00:33 |
| p| | search on itt, there is a workaround for this | 00:33 |
| shackan | p|: heh, I found out, but what was it replaced it? | 00:33 |
| shackan | mmkay | 00:34 |
| p| | using dbus | 00:34 |
| p| | never tried for now | 00:34 |
| * lardman|afk is getting bored of debugging by adding yet more dbg() statements | 00:35 | |
| p| | is fm radio for os2008 out ? | 00:36 |
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| lardman | derf: you about for some tremor debugging? | 00:39 |
| shackan | p|: it is | 00:39 |
| shackan | p|: nothing relevant on ITT for 'pand' :( | 00:39 |
| lardman | Does anyone happen to know the usual function call progression through the tremor library....? | 00:41 |
| * lardman is doubtful | 00:41 | |
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| p| | shackan, wait, i try to find the thread | 00:43 |
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| shackan | lardman: you already ported tremor to the dsp? | 00:44 |
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| lardman | shackan: yeah, it's running, but failing | 00:45 |
| p| | shackan, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12666&highlight=pan+os2008 | 00:45 |
| lardman | shackan: fails with OV_ENOTVORBIS, I'm trying to track down what's wrong to cause this | 00:46 |
| shackan | p|: thanks, unfortunately seeing these hacked shell scripts just makes me want to puke, grrrrrrrr | 00:46 |
| shackan | lardman: no idea :\ | 00:47 |
| lardman | any gdb gurus on here? | 00:47 |
| shackan | what do you need? | 00:48 |
| lardman | I'm thinking I'll run the tremor library on arm and step through to see where the two diverge | 00:49 |
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| shackan | whoa, good luck | 00:49 |
| lardman | I was wondering if, after setting a breakpoint on a given function, I could obtain a list of the functions that have been called (is that a stack trace?) | 00:49 |
| shackan | that's some serious spelunking | 00:49 |
| shackan | bt prints the stack trace | 00:50 |
| kulve | lardman: yeah, on the arm side you can get the backtrace (or stack?) like that | 00:50 |
| lardman | yeah, arm doesn't like stack traces does it iitc | 00:50 |
| shackan | and it's not a list of all the function called until that moment | 00:50 |
| shackan | just what's in the innermost frame up to the first caller | 00:50 |
| shackan | but, you can step in the dsp? | 00:51 |
| shackan | that's cool | 00:51 |
| lardman | what would be good is a graphical debugger like MATLAB or Visual C++ (/me shows his Windows side ;) ) | 00:51 |
| shackan | lardman: insight isn't that bad | 00:51 |
| kulve | shackan: I think you need a different tool for debugging the dsp side.. | 00:51 |
| lardman | shackan: no, I'm doing it by adding dbg() calls which send strings to dmesg | 00:51 |
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| shackan | ow, sucks | 00:52 |
| lardman | sure does :) | 00:52 |
| shackan | do libvorbis and tremor sound any different? | 00:53 |
| lardman | I understand that xiph are thinking about turning the tremor code into fp and using that as the standard | 00:54 |
| kulve | I would guess that theoretically yes, but to human ear no (just guessing) | 00:54 |
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| lardman | mine may be related to code speed though more than listening differences | 00:54 |
| kulve | actually I'm not sure if there's a difference even theoretically.. | 00:55 |
| shackan | ok, I'll take tremor | 00:55 |
| * lardman has no idea, I don't even listen to ogg | 00:55 | |
| lardman | tremor is certainly faster than vorbis even when compiled for vfp | 00:56 |
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| kulve | at least on n800.. | 00:57 |
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| lardman | true :) | 00:58 |
| kulve | how about some 64bit amd..? | 00:58 |
| lardman | give me 10min and I could tell you for dual core 64bit Intel | 00:58 |
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| lardman | but am trying to install Insight first | 00:58 |
| truent | nothin better than n800 + blackjack connection = irc'ing in the middle of nowhere | 01:00 |
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| truent | gotta find cheap gps and keyboard | 01:02 |
| kulve | sounds like n810 ;) | 01:02 |
| truent | hah | 01:04 |
| truent | i already dumped too much on this thing right before the price drop ;p | 01:05 |
| astro76 | truent, amazon has the stowaway ultra-slim BT keyboard for $30 | 01:05 |
| truent | yep thats what i was lookin at | 01:06 |
| astro76 | several people here have them, I highly recommend it | 01:06 |
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| lopz | re | 01:17 |
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| halley | Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break. | 01:25 |
| halley | Er... | 01:25 |
| halley | It's been a day. | 01:25 |
| lardman | Is it possible to use gdb on a binary that uses a command like this: ./ivorbisfile_example < sample.ogg > output.pcm | 01:28 |
| shackan | lardman: you could try gdb ./ivorbisfile_example and then at the prompt # run < sample.ogg > output.pcm | 01:31 |
| shackan | ymmv | 01:31 |
| lardman | thanks, think I'll just tweak it to read and write from file | 01:32 |
| vlad_ | yes, gdb understands i/o redirection with < > and >> | 01:32 |
| lardman | vlad_: doesn't seem to like it though | 01:32 |
| vlad_ | hm | 01:32 |
| vlad_ | check the help on run? | 01:32 |
| vlad_ | you may need some var set | 01:32 |
| lardman | ah, so I do have to set it after starting gdb then? | 01:32 |
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| lardman | hmm, that seems to work, but gdb refuses to run the file | 01:34 |
| K`zan | My local thrift store had USB adapters so I stocked up. Only things really useful, I think, were the cables, double females and the mini-usb :) | 01:34 |
| lardman | Don't know how to run. Try "help target". | 01:34 |
| lardman | doesn't seem to be anything to do with the redirections though | 01:35 |
| shackan | hmm, help target is only usefull for remote debugging | 01:35 |
| lardman | this is trying to use gdb in scratchbox though.... | 01:35 |
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| halley | Anyone know why the garage.maemo.org system seems to be down? | 01:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Because their servers suck? | 01:38 |
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| lardman | right, time for bed, will have to look into debugging tomorrow when I'm actually awake | 01:40 |
| lardman | thanks for the help chaps | 01:40 |
| lardman | night all | 01:40 |
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| halley | Yeah, beyond that. | 01:42 |
| halley | I was hoping the gjiten guy was working on updating his deb. :/ | 01:42 |
| halley | I'm pleased with the maemocjk library; scim-anthy is so much nicer than the builtin IM look/feel. | 01:43 |
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| halley | How do you get a list of files from a given installed .deb? | 01:43 |
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| p| | 'night all! | 01:49 |
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| JZA | hey | 02:26 |
| JZA | people | 02:26 |
| JZA | anyone here | 02:26 |
| JZA | I want to know how to force install a ncurses-bin | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | base or bin . . . | 02:26 |
| JZA | bin | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | one of them collides with busybox | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall which one | 02:27 |
| JZA | yeah that is the problem | 02:27 |
| JZA | this is the package: | 02:27 |
| JZA | ncurses-bin_5.5-1mh2_armel.deb | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of them you don't want. | 02:27 |
| JZA | check the output if I want to force install | 02:27 |
| JZA | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258056 | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | The one that collides with busybox is evilbad | 02:27 |
| JZA | I see so where can I find the other one | 02:28 |
| JZA | is there an ncurses-base | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | -bin is the evil one | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | get rid of it | 02:28 |
| JZA | I see | 02:28 |
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| JZA | GeneralAntilles: I still get the same error | 02:30 |
| JZA | are you confusing libncurses wiht ncurses | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ncurses-base is the one you want | 02:30 |
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| JZA | yeah I did that | 02:31 |
| JZA | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258303 | 02:32 |
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| JZA | how can I search with apt-get | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | regex | 02:53 |
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| halley | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 03:19 |
| halley | gjiten: Depends: hildon-fm1 (>= 1.14-1) but it is not going to be installed | 03:19 |
| halley | Depends: hildon-libs0 (>= 0.14.11-1) but it is not going to be installed | 03:19 |
| halley | E: Broken packages | 03:19 |
| * halley twiddles his thumbs. | 03:19 | |
| derf | OS 2008? | 03:25 |
| halley | It's a 2007 package trying to go onto 2008. | 03:25 |
| derf | I know. I wrote the package. | 03:25 |
| derf | I haven't installed 2008 yet. | 03:26 |
| halley | Hm, I wrote an email to TT, are you he? | 03:26 |
| derf | That's me. | 03:26 |
| derf | I haven't gotten it yet, unless you sent it a while ago. | 03:26 |
| JZA | is 2008 out yet for N800? | 03:26 |
| halley | A couple days ago. | 03:26 |
| halley | JZA, beta. | 03:26 |
| JZA | ok | 03:27 |
| halley | derf, I hope you can maybe install the 800 sdk on your pc at least. maemocjk is basically working now, so a dict is my last "must have". | 03:27 |
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| Rask330 | Funny little problem here... I have a certificate I'm trying to add to the certificate manager, but it goes into "authorities", even though it's not an authority. | 03:28 |
| derf | Unless you were "special hinshitsu no brand shina no, kakuyasu hanbai shop!" I don't see it. | 03:30 |
| * Rask330 confused. o.o | 03:30 | |
| derf | halley: I'll try to find time to do it tomorrow. | 03:31 |
| halley | arigatou gozaimasu! | 03:31 |
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| Rask330 | Do any of you guys know where maemo hides the certificates in the filesystem? ^^; | 03:33 |
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| Vulcanis | [20:26:40] <halley> A couple days ago. -- do you know when the official release will be? | 03:34 |
| halley | derf, I sent you two to xiph.org - first one calling you Terry, second correcting. | 03:34 |
| halley | Vulcanis, "A couple days ago" was not related to OS2008 on N800. | 03:35 |
| Vulcanis | Ah, thought it was. Hehe. It was followed with 'a beta'. | 03:35 |
| halley | I have no idea when. | 03:35 |
| halley | The beta IS related to N800. | 03:35 |
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| Vulcanis | yes, I had assumed that. But the top one made me think you were answering him earlier. I knew the beta was out, but did not know when, I had bought my tablet two days ago. | 03:37 |
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| derf | halley: Oh, I actually _did_ see that... but I only got the second one. | 03:44 |
| halley | Heh, so you were left wondering. | 03:44 |
| derf | But I'm sure something else distracted me and I forgot all about it. | 03:45 |
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| SignalN800 | hi guys | 03:59 |
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| Luria | what kind of push email support is there for the n800/10? | 05:17 |
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| fysa | imap/pop3 | 05:27 |
| fysa | few different apps | 05:27 |
| Luria | right, but im looking for push | 05:29 |
| Luria | even imap idle would do | 05:29 |
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| TheFool2 | anyone here ever bother to teach the n770 etc your handwriting? | 05:42 |
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| doublec | minefield with the <video> implementation builds under maemo | 06:48 |
| doublec | unfortunately I don't have os2008 on my device yet to test | 06:48 |
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| skibur_ | hello | 08:42 |
| foods | hi skibur_ | 08:43 |
| skibur_ | do you have a n800? | 08:43 |
| foods | yeah I have four of them, they are great | 08:44 |
| celesteh | fours of them? | 08:44 |
| skibur_ | http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1197095918&sr=1-1 | 08:44 |
| foods | yeah, i'm a true collector | 08:44 |
| skibur_ | does that keyboard work for N800? | 08:44 |
| celesteh | one in every jacket pocket? | 08:44 |
| foods | yes it works skibur_ | 08:44 |
| astro76 | skibur_, yes it's great | 08:45 |
| skibur_ | 29.99? | 08:45 |
| astro76 | skibur_, get it quick before the price goes down | 08:45 |
| skibur_ | 80% saving? | 08:45 |
| astro76 | indeed | 08:45 |
| foods | US marketing trick :) | 08:45 |
| astro76 | yeah they adjust the MSRP often | 08:45 |
| foods | giving you the idea of making a fantastic deal | 08:45 |
| astro76 | still it's over half off what it was | 08:45 |
| skibur_ | :) | 08:46 |
| celesteh | it's also a lot cheaper than i've seen keyboards like that in the eu | 08:46 |
| skibur_ | is that the best keyboard yet? | 08:46 |
| astro76 | and fully BT HID keyboard compliant | 08:46 |
| glass_ | it's a very nice kb | 08:47 |
| glass_ | batts last forever | 08:47 |
| glass_ | or at least seem to | 08:47 |
| skibur_ | hum... | 08:47 |
| astro76 | skibur_, I'm entirely pleased with it | 08:47 |
| skibur_ | cool | 08:47 |
| glass_ | with 770 it was very pleasant, just open and start typing | 08:47 |
| skibur_ | purchasing now | 08:47 |
| skibur_ | :P | 08:47 |
| skibur_ | What about the thinkoutside Stowaway keyboard | 08:49 |
| astro76 | the full sized? | 08:49 |
| skibur_ | is it the same as the iGo? | 08:49 |
| astro76 | yeah igo is thinkoutside now | 08:50 |
| astro76 | there's the stowaway and stowaway ultra-slim | 08:50 |
| astro76 | stowaway is twice as thick folded, has 3 hinges instead of 1, and doesn't lock in the middle | 08:50 |
| astro76 | but has fifth row for number keys | 08:50 |
| zoran | 12'' laptop could do the same | 08:51 |
| skibur_ | iGo Stowaway Ultra-Slim Bluetooth Keyboard | 08:51 |
| skibur_ | is smaller | 08:51 |
| glass_ | stowaway sierra has a numbers row tho | 08:52 |
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| glass_ | ah you mentioned then | 08:52 |
| glass_ | the biggest problem with the kb there was a link some lines ago is the lack of numbers row | 08:53 |
| glass_ | takes time to adjust to using terminal with it | 08:53 |
| astro76 | you need to use the left Fn key for the numbers | 08:53 |
| astro76 | a couple of other keys are in odd positions, but it's mostly standard | 08:53 |
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| glass_ | having to press the fn key isn't as bad as having to press "wrong" buttons for the numbers | 08:54 |
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| glass_ | and special chars | 08:54 |
| astro76 | yeah indeed, the symbols are on the correct numbers too | 08:54 |
| skibur_ | overall, the Ultra-Slim is great | 08:55 |
| astro76 | and for $30 it's a no-brainer | 08:55 |
| glass_ | yeah | 08:56 |
| glass_ | a real bargain | 08:56 |
| skibur_ | ok | 08:56 |
| skibur_ | done | 08:56 |
| skibur_ | will arrive Monday | 08:56 |
| skibur_ | :P | 08:56 |
| glass_ | hehe | 08:56 |
| astro76 | woohoo :p | 08:56 |
| skibur_ | lol | 08:56 |
| glass_ | i should dig up mine from the closet | 08:56 |
| glass_ | for some quake on n95 | 08:56 |
| skibur_ | lol | 08:57 |
| Luria | wow | 08:59 |
| Luria | much cheaper these days | 08:59 |
| glass_ | yeah | 08:59 |
| Luria | my decision now is what cellphone to get | 08:59 |
| glass_ | was 100+ when i got it | 08:59 |
| Luria | yeah, sucks to be us | 08:59 |
| glass_ | well it was a number of years ago | 09:00 |
| glass_ | 2.5y or something | 09:00 |
| Luria | mine was bought in july (though b&m) | 09:00 |
| astro76 | I can't figure why amazon is selling it so cheap... but am not complaining | 09:00 |
| glass_ | astro76: probably phasing it out | 09:00 |
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| Luria | sigh i love the htc tilt | 09:00 |
| glass_ | like said, it isn't exactly a new model | 09:00 |
| glass_ | wm phone is a bit of a waste with a maemo device | 09:01 |
| Luria | i know | 09:01 |
| Luria | i know | 09:01 |
| Luria | but, it is one of the few phones with triband hsdpa | 09:01 |
| Luria | and i may need push email | 09:02 |
| glass_ | it has both usa and europe freqs hsdpa? | 09:02 |
| Luria | yeah it has 2100mhz | 09:02 |
| glass_ | ah yeah | 09:02 |
| glass_ | well | 09:02 |
| glass_ | how oftern will you 3g roam? | 09:02 |
| glass_ | and afford it too... | 09:02 |
| Luria | i dunno, but if i do it would be a business expense | 09:03 |
| glass_ | biggest problem with 3g is that roaming is in generally expensive | 09:03 |
| Luria | but i need a 3.6mb 3g device that does push | 09:03 |
| Luria | and there are few options outside of wm phones | 09:03 |
| Luria | if the n800 had a push email client i would use the k850i | 09:04 |
| Luria | which is one of the few non smartphones to do 3.6mb triband | 09:04 |
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| Luria | sigh... all i really want is a b/w quad gsm, intl 3g, phone that is 70% battery | 09:05 |
| Luria | and a push email client for maemo :-) | 09:06 |
| Luria | i would be very happy | 09:06 |
| glass_ | don't forget you might want edge and not all phones that do gsm and 3g don't have it | 09:06 |
| Luria | true | 09:06 |
| glass_ | double negative | 09:06 |
| glass_ | i blame it on it being so early | 09:06 |
| Luria | dont worry, i grokked | 09:07 |
| Luria | most do, btw | 09:07 |
| glass_ | yeah | 09:07 |
| Luria | esp the tribands because of europe | 09:07 |
| glass_ | se at one point had a habit of not doing it | 09:07 |
| Luria | excuse me, other way around | 09:07 |
| Luria | because of the us, where edge is more coverage than hsdpa | 09:08 |
| glass_ | outside of cities it's hard to find 3g here(finland) | 09:08 |
| glass_ | edge is pretty much everywhere | 09:08 |
| glass_ | in the woods, in island outskirts.. | 09:08 |
| Luria | well, 95% of the rest of my life will be in nyc :-) | 09:08 |
| glass_ | i'm on 3g now btw | 09:08 |
| Luria | what phone? | 09:09 |
| glass_ | n95 | 09:09 |
| glass_ | tethered to laptop | 09:09 |
| glass_ | via bt | 09:09 |
| glass_ | almost as good as cheap dsl | 09:09 |
| Luria | i would get a symbian nokia if they put good 3g modems in them | 09:09 |
| glass_ | i only got 384kbps enabled on my plan | 09:10 |
| glass_ | tops out at 40kbyte/s or so | 09:10 |
| Luria | up or down? | 09:10 |
| glass_ | down | 09:10 |
| glass_ | dunno up | 09:10 |
| glass_ | haven't tested really | 09:10 |
| astro76 | that's typical upstream in the US | 09:10 |
| Luria | att is 384/3.6m | 09:10 |
| glass_ | pings are around 120-160ms now | 09:10 |
| Luria | wow | 09:10 |
| glass_ | they used to be higher than 200+ | 09:11 |
| Luria | no voip then :-) | 09:11 |
| glass_ | but they did something for the network las tyear | 09:11 |
| glass_ | 2mbit/s is highest they offer here | 09:11 |
| glass_ | but 384 is like 10 euros/month | 09:11 |
| glass_ | 3dge pings are 250-350 or so | 09:12 |
| glass_ | grhh.. edge | 09:12 |
| Luria | http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/finder_results.php?m=s&w=s&wor=r&g8r=r&f38r=r&f30r=r&f30_12=y&f30_13=y | 09:12 |
| Luria | short list | 09:12 |
| Luria | and shorter when you do triband hsdpa | 09:12 |
| glass_ | yeah nokia doesn't have too many usa freq phones anyways | 09:13 |
| glass_ | usa 3g freqs | 09:13 |
| glass_ | n95-nam, some other n-series and thats it i think | 09:13 |
| Luria | yeah, ive only seen them at the nokia store | 09:13 |
| Luria | (ie flagship nyc) | 09:13 |
| glass_ | (i'm a symbian freak via hobby-turned-to-work so i don't know that much outside of them) | 09:14 |
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| Luria | i take it that no one knows of a push (or even imap idle) client for maemo? | 09:15 |
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| glass_ | imap idle i'd imagine there being | 09:16 |
| glass_ | but keeping your n800 powered up 100% of time.. | 09:17 |
| Luria | why not? the mail client polls on wifi | 09:17 |
| Luria | enough for 10hours of on time | 09:17 |
| glass_ | will the wifi last for 10 hours when on? | 09:18 |
| Luria | yeah, if its just idling | 09:18 |
| glass_ | ok's | 09:18 |
| Luria | 3 hours of hard use will kill it | 09:18 |
| glass_ | tinymail supports push? | 09:19 |
| Ed77 | hi, Can anybody answer gtk and maemo programming questions here? | 09:21 |
| Luria | glass_, it does? | 09:22 |
| glass_ | Luria: they have demos of it on their webpage at least | 09:24 |
| Luria | yeah i see that | 09:24 |
| Luria | that would be hot for the stack email to handle it for me | 09:24 |
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| Anastasia | I see maemo.org is dead in the water again :-(. | 09:49 |
| Anastasia | Finished up my USB Power injector tonight, should be able to test some USB stuff now. | 09:49 |
| vlad_ | works fine here? | 09:49 |
| Anastasia | Damnifiknow, it is flakey as hell here. | 09:49 |
| Anastasia | memcache handler: Failed to connect to localhost:11211. | 09:50 |
| Anastasia | About the 4th try. | 09:50 |
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| Anastasia | Same thing on main, 2007 and 2008 pages. It will probably work when I get up in the morning, usually does. | 09:51 |
| Anastasia | Early morning or late night has been best for it, now it looks like *maybe* early morning... | 09:52 |
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| Anastasia | Night folks! | 10:12 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:07 |
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| limepi | would it be possible to stream video from os x to an n800 | 11:40 |
| limepi | over wifi | 11:40 |
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| jsnewby | Hi all, I have a question regarding gpesyncd which I would appreciate some help with | 15:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The best strategy is to just ask away, jsnewby. | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | If somebody knows the answer, they will give it to you. | 15:51 |
| jsnewby | heh thanks | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | If not, ask again in a few hours. | 15:51 |
| jsnewby | I'm just got an N800, and want to retire my palm pilot. I've installed the GPE apps and am trying to write an Apple synchronisation service client to mediate between the two. When I try to connect to the socket after running gpesyncd -d, I get this error when writing a vcard: Error: syntax error (missing attribute name/group) | 15:52 |
| jsnewby | I do not get this error when using ssh | 15:52 |
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| jsnewby | anyone have any magic to suggest? | 15:54 |
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| lopz | re | 16:58 |
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| TheFool2 | What has been going on in this channel recently? All I see is people entering and leaving, no conversations. | 17:42 |
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| halley | Er, Saturday AM? | 17:43 |
| TheFool2 | I guess, but the last few days I haven't really seen anyone on | 17:43 |
| halley | They're out shopping? | 17:44 |
| zoran | that means all problems were solved | 17:44 |
| TheFool2 | zoran: that must be it! | 17:44 |
| TheFool2 | :) | 17:44 |
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| TheFool2 | I have heard a lot of talk about how bad the handwriting recognition is for the tablets, but I finally started playing with it today. It sucks by default, but if you disable all of their preset characters and teach it only yours it actually seems to work quite well | 17:46 |
| TheFool2 | The only problem I am having is I want to reteach the punctuation, and I can't figure out how to do that | 17:46 |
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| halley | How can I remove the original items from the panels/menus? I don't want the gizmo,skype,rhapsody icons clogging the menu. | 17:57 |
| halley | For those items, the menu organizer disables 'Delete'. | 17:57 |
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| DM| | I was looking on buying the N810, it can do stuff other than music/internet/gps right? you can treat it like a PDA? | 17:58 |
| glass_ | anything you can find an app for | 17:58 |
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| kulve | DM|: how do you want to treat your PDA? | 17:58 |
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| DM| | calender syncing, to do lists , calcs, maybe even a LITTLE spreadsheet ? | 17:59 |
| zerojay | I wanna treat my tablet like a whore. | 17:59 |
| DM| | maybe even an IRC app ?? | 17:59 |
| glass_ | zerojay: pay it to fuck up and then forget it in some sleazy motel? | 17:59 |
| zerojay | You got it. | 17:59 |
| kulve | DM|: I use it ircing with xterm+ssh. Works very well. | 18:00 |
| zerojay | You can also use XChat. | 18:00 |
| kulve | DM|: I know there are calendar, todo, spreadsheet, but I don't know too much about those.. | 18:00 |
| DM| | .... So it has a terminal ? | 18:00 |
| kulve | DM|: sure | 18:00 |
| DM| | sweet | 18:00 |
| kulve | comes with the 2008 even | 18:00 |
| zerojay | 2008 has it included by default. | 18:00 |
| kulve | although it's not as good as the other version.. | 18:00 |
| kulve | (imo) | 18:01 |
| kulve | DM|: try google "gpe calendar maemo".. Maybe that tells you more about that.. | 18:01 |
| DM| | thanks : P | 18:01 |
| DM| | Oooh it will be interesting to SSH to my server and do shit without having to lug my laptop around | 18:02 |
| kulve | DM|: interesting indeed. I had to debug exim4 issues with the n800's virtual keyboard once. Not very convenient.. | 18:02 |
| DM| | N810 has a qwerty though :) and i wouldnt buy a N800 | 18:03 |
| DM| | qwerty is the big selling point for me | 18:03 |
| kulve | yeah, the qwerty is probably a lot nicer for typing | 18:03 |
| zoran | pen is not so bad as it looks | 18:04 |
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| TheFool2 | kulve: what worries me about the 810 keyboard is that top row | 18:05 |
| DM| | Ive had the pen on my PDAs and smartphone, i hate vkeyboards | 18:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pfft, the thumbboard is the shit. | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | 40wpm average. | 18:10 |
| zoran | w == word ? | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | world? | 18:11 |
| zoran | not bad | 18:11 |
| zoran | :) | 18:11 |
| kulve | and how much with the vkb? | 18:11 |
| kulve | 2? | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't bothered to benchmark | 18:11 |
| zoran | ah, more | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably 20-ish | 18:11 |
| zoran | about | 18:11 |
| kulve | so, the thumbone is like twice as fast.. | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can thumb the vkb pretty well, too. | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | AND I still have 2 SD slots. | 18:11 |
| zoran | full size kb is better. nokia solution would be to make user smaller. | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware keyboard is a waste. | 18:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unless I can touch-type on it, it's not worth it. | 18:13 |
| zoran | there is some project of "projecting" kb on the table | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's more garbage. | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you actually used one? | 18:14 |
| zoran | never | 18:14 |
| zoran | and don't want | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have—garbage. :) | 18:14 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: maybe you should just buy a laptop and be happy with it.. | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Laptops are expensive and heavy as hell. | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | My N800 is my best friend. | 18:14 |
| zoran | eee? | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the same resolution as my N800? | 18:15 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: well, stop using electronics at all. No need to use shit and garbage any more | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm afraid you've misunderstood me, kulve. | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The point I'm trying to make, is that the N810's keyboard is wasteful for me. | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want storage | 18:15 |
| zoran | most web sites are not so fien looking at 800x480 | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | not a hardware keyboard that's barely usable. | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can type 40wpm on the N800's thumbboard. | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would I buy a laptop? | 18:16 |
| zoran | what kind of storage? | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2x16GB SDHC kind of storage. ;) | 18:16 |
| zoran | not a dream, as I see it | 18:16 |
| shackan | GeneralAntilles: 40wpm without smearing the screen? | 18:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | shackan, I'm not an auto-mechanic. | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | My hands are quite clean. | 18:17 |
| zoran | hdd is not solution as it takes too much power | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, obviously. | 18:17 |
| zoran | you could wait a year to see it, I think | 18:17 |
| shackan | GeneralAntilles: well, whenever I touch the screen I can see my fingerprints | 18:17 |
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| zoran | goooooooooooooooood! | 18:18 |
| zoran | lite work for police | 18:18 |
| shackan | police? | 18:18 |
| zoran | csi | 18:18 |
| zoran | miami, las vegas... | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n800_2569.htm | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need one of those, shackan. | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's closer to the surface texture of paper. | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't smear like the bare screen. | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: wash your hands. :P | 18:19 |
| shackan | oh, cool | 18:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I also recommend typing with your fingertips/nails rather than the pads of your thumbs | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | a lot cleaner and a lot more effective. | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | and don't let your fingers linger | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's not multitouch | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | so having two fingers down at the same time will get you a letter somewhere in the middle. | 18:21 |
| zoran | this technique could be tricky for standard kb letter | 18:21 |
| zoran | *latter | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's basically the opposite of the iPhone keyboard. | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | iPhone likes you to fat finger all the keys | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The NITs like you to use small, clean points of contact. | 18:23 |
| zoran | sharpen fingers? | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use the tips/nails. | 18:24 |
| zoran | no nails | 18:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You chew them? | 18:24 |
| zoran | almost, cut them regularly. | 18:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've got about 1mm of nail and it works fine | 18:25 |
| zoran | personal techniques are so unique for person invented it | 18:25 |
| zoran | I have no 1 mm of it | 18:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then use the tips. | 18:25 |
| zoran | ah, I like pointer on my 770 | 18:26 |
| zoran | and ssh for longer message | 18:26 |
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| zoran | and e51 has wifi + voip included, I see now | 18:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | halley, just install skype then uninstall it. | 18:28 |
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| guardian | does OS2008 support CJK ? | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not 100% yet. | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's coming. | 18:34 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 18:38 |
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| halley | guardian, I installed the maemocjk.garage package on my N810 and it works, but it's definitely alpha status. | 18:43 |
| halley | guardian, I had to reflash after trying it once, then got it working. Be careful. | 18:44 |
| guardian | i'm curious about one thing | 18:45 |
| guardian | appart from the input method | 18:45 |
| halley | ? | 18:45 |
| guardian | do the new CJK fonts replace the default fonts of the device (like the font used in the system menus) ? | 18:45 |
| guardian | or does it just offer CJK fonts i can select as part of a font selection dialogbox, like when using notes application or maemopad ? | 18:46 |
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| halley | GTK stack in general uses pango for glyph selection. If you say you want font X, you get font X except where glyphs are missing. | 18:47 |
| halley | Thus the menus, etc. don't all switch and look funny, just because you add a new font to support some characters. | 18:47 |
| halley | You CAN choose to use mincho as a font for your text file, but you don't even have to. It will say "dang, he used a funny character not in the usual Courier, oh, wait, mincho font can draw that one." | 18:49 |
| halley | That's one thing that really works very cleanly in GTK in my experience. You don't get surprises or hassles with the fonts. | 18:49 |
| guardian | so any application outputting CJK unicode characters will get squares being displayed if it sticks with the default font | 18:50 |
| halley | If you have NO font for a glyph, it will draw mojibake (the crap boxes). | 18:50 |
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| halley | If you have at least one font for a glyph, it will prefer your chosen font but fall back to other fonts automatically. | 18:51 |
| guardian | it would be cool if there was a single font capable of displaying any unicode character :) | 18:51 |
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| halley | guardian, considering Unicode is built to be table-based, that's unlikely. Plus, the Chinese might look great but the Arabic or Tengwar (Tolkien Faenorian Elvish) might look bad. | 18:52 |
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| halley | guerby, fix that. | 18:53 |
| halley | ;) | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a way to change to a font outside of "Monospace", "Serif", and "Sans" in the OS2008 xterm? | 18:54 |
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| guardian | i'll try to install the ttfs by hand | 18:57 |
| guardian | i don't want to lose HIM | 18:57 |
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| foods | GeneralAntilles, you have to install the fonts first. Then it's possible. | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, foods! | 19:18 |
| foods | You're welcome GeneralAntilles | 19:18 |
| foods | Anything else I can be of service with GeneralAntilles? | 19:18 |
| L0cutus | if someone want to try, i've ported synergy to os2008: http://www.zamprogno.it/files/os2008/synergy_1.3.1-1_armel.deb | 19:19 |
| pupnik | See if you can get it up to garage, L0cutus | 19:19 |
| pupnik | and thx, i use synergy all the time | 19:20 |
| foods | GeneralAntilles:Tto add new fonts simply create a /home/user/.fonts directory and put here all the fontts you need, reboot your device and you are done! | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: not much point having a garage project for every simple port. mud'd be a much better place, IMHO | 19:20 |
| foods | yes I agree, synergy is the best, I use it all the time too | 19:20 |
| L0cutus | pupnik, i'm totally noob to garage :) | 19:20 |
| L0cutus | never used it | 19:21 |
| foods | you should try it, it's the best | 19:21 |
| pupnik | yes MUD | 19:21 |
| Jaffa | L0cutus: <plug> http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org </plug> | 19:21 |
| L0cutus | thanks Jaffa | 19:21 |
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| foods | do you guys all love your n800 as much as I do? | 19:22 |
| guardian | L0cutus: i don't have my tablet at hand, does it display a cursor on the device now ? | 19:22 |
| guardian | foods: no i don't | 19:24 |
| foods | no? | 19:24 |
| foods | you're not saying you don't have an n800, are you? | 19:24 |
| guardian | i have a 770 and a N800 | 19:25 |
| guardian | and i find both of them mostly useless in my daily life :) | 19:25 |
| guardian | however they are excellent dev and hacking platforms | 19:25 |
| foods | dude do you have any idea how offensive it is to say things like that? | 19:25 |
| dragorn | I find the 810 to be by far the most useful of the three | 19:25 |
| foods | yes the n810 is much better. | 19:26 |
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| L0cutus | guardian, i've not tried it for now :) | 19:26 |
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| guardian | offensive ? :) i don't think so | 19:26 |
| foods | it's blasphemy | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | hardly | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | "The iPhone is a competitor and does somethings better" - that's blasphemy to some (especially on ITT ;-)) | 19:28 |
| guardian | :) | 19:28 |
| pupnik | it's vaguely a competitor in the sense that it does fit in a pocket and give some internet browsing capabilities | 19:28 |
| guardian | maybe it's just because i did not find the time to use it long enough | 19:28 |
| guardian | actually i browsed a little with my ipod touch and i prefer that to the tablet :( | 19:29 |
| pupnik | interesting, what was good about it? | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're crazy, guardian. | 19:30 |
| elb | the iphone browser seemed ok to me | 19:31 |
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| guardian | it's not objective i guess, maybe the fact that was enthusiastic about it | 19:34 |
| fysa | scrolling in microb is flawed. | 19:34 |
| guardian | it's smooth | 19:35 |
| guardian | meebo and youtube worked | 19:35 |
| fysa | scrolling in the rss reader is much smoother | 19:35 |
| guardian | that's more than i experienced in OS2007 | 19:35 |
| fysa | and the default about:config is so horrible it's no wonder people think it's molasses | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | On the iPhone, guardian? | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The iPhone doesn't have flash. | 19:37 |
| guardian | ipod touch | 19:37 |
| fysa | they have their own youtube 'client' i think | 19:37 |
| guardian | well now that you mention that, youtube is a separate app in fact | 19:37 |
| fysa | which is the way it shpuld be anyw | 19:38 |
| fysa | ay | 19:38 |
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| foods | N800 > iPhone | 19:38 |
| fysa | that said, maemo still wins overall. | 19:38 |
| guardian | foods: fanboyism leads to nowhere | 19:39 |
| guardian | :) | 19:39 |
| fysa | just needs a smoother browsing experience | 19:39 |
| fysa | it's powerful but handicapped | 19:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's worth noting that the "YouTube" on the iPhone isn't actually YouTube. | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | /iPod Touch | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same difference | 19:40 |
| guardian | and what's cool about iphone/ipod hacking is opengl es :) | 19:40 |
| foods | guardian, just because you are an apple fanboy doesn't mean I suffer from the same illness | 19:40 |
| guardian | haha i'm not | 19:41 |
| guardian | you were talking about blasphemy | 19:41 |
| fysa | it's not mobile youtube. they just play the flvs in an accelerated player not silly flash | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | foods is just trolling. | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ignore him. | 19:41 |
| pupnik | so is the scrolly/zoomy stuff on i* done with opengl es? | 19:41 |
| elb | yes, being able to recognize flaws in products, regardless of one's overall impression, is a valuable skill which many lack | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | They aren't flvs, fysa, it's h.264 | 19:41 |
| pupnik | i'm having trouble seeing how hildon would make use of opengl in any sensible fashion | 19:41 |
| guardian | i just said i find little use of my tablets, but i feel the same about the iphone, that's why i chose the pod since i never owned a mp3 player before | 19:41 |
| foods | i'm not trolling, i'm gnoming | 19:41 |
| fysa | scrolly stuff can be done with a ported firefox extension | 19:42 |
| fysa | no gl neded | 19:42 |
| guardian | pupnik: indeed | 19:42 |
| fysa | no gl needed | 19:42 |
| guardian | pupnik: but gl is used at a lower level i guess, comparable to what compiz/beryl and such do | 19:43 |
| guardian | *more or less* | 19:43 |
| pupnik | yes | 19:43 |
| truent_ | anyone know of an easy place to host my project.. its just for n800 to connect to a PAN bluetooth device like an at&t blackjack.. maybe like 20kb at most | 19:43 |
| pupnik | nonetheless, for opengl to accelerate any fancy UI zoom/transposition, you'd need to write a new, limited, non-hildon UI for any particular app | 19:43 |
| guardian | true | 19:44 |
| pupnik | so for e.g. kagu, canola or whatever could use it | 19:44 |
| fysa | http://grabanddrag.mozdev.org/ | 19:44 |
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| pupnik | or you could write a totally non-hildon menu launcher | 19:44 |
| guardian | or games | 19:44 |
| pupnik | and keep the hildon stuff for backwards compatibility | 19:44 |
| guardian | although for games there are psp and nds :) | 19:44 |
| pupnik | but i have trouble seeing nokia go that route | 19:44 |
| pupnik | yes i'd hoped the N810 would be the beginning of games-friendly controls | 19:44 |
| pupnik | with the keyboard, there are plenty of 'buttons', but i haven't heard good things about the dpad | 19:45 |
| halley | Yeah, the "dpad" actually sucks. | 19:45 |
| fysa | the only way we will see kinetic scrolling/flicking is if someone ports that or non-nokia dev writes something. | 19:45 |
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| halley | truent_, garage.maemo.org | 19:46 |
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| pupnik | fysa, right - we're starting to see some apps designed around a more thumb-friendly, eye-candy-iphone approach | 19:46 |
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| pupnik | halley: you have the N810? | 19:46 |
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| halley | pupnik, aye | 19:46 |
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| fysa | i would absolutely love page flicking. hit the screen then move finger swiftly | 19:46 |
| pupnik | do you think keys awdx could be an alternate dpad? | 19:47 |
| shackan | truent_: maybe garage? | 19:47 |
| truent_ | yeah im registering just didnt know if thats the easiest place | 19:47 |
| L0cutus | ok, tested, it (synergy) does work ok | 19:48 |
| halley | pupnik, I don't think it'd be an improvement, honestly. | 19:48 |
| halley | Both ideas have the same problem: too easy to push the center instead of the direction you want. | 19:48 |
| pupnik | oh the center can be ignored | 19:48 |
| pupnik | god, i want my N810 | 19:49 |
| halley | The keys need substantial force, and the best way to apply the force is with a fingernail, not a fingertip. | 19:49 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 19:49 |
| halley | The problem with the dpad is the thing is too glossy to use a fingernail confidently. | 19:49 |
| halley | It's all USABLE but not for games, imho. | 19:49 |
| pupnik | i don't have fingernails, somebody keeps chewing them off | 19:49 |
| pupnik | ok | 19:49 |
| L0cutus | truent_, is your project for os2008 ? | 19:49 |
| truent_ | 2007.. havent tested on 2008, but i dont see why it wouldnt work | 19:50 |
| halley | Anyway, gotta run. | 19:50 |
| truent_ | its mostly a wrapper written in ruby | 19:50 |
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| L0cutus | truent_, does it use 'pand' ? | 19:53 |
| truent_ | yeah.. why, is that in 2008? | 19:55 |
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| L0cutus | pand doeasn't exist on os2008 | 19:57 |
| L0cutus | doesn't* | 19:57 |
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| L0cutus | truent_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=103846&postcount=1 | 19:59 |
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| truent_ | lol i guess i'll rewrite an os2008 version | 20:01 |
| truent_ | the one i got works great | 20:01 |
| truent_ | ;p | 20:01 |
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| truent_ | does os2008 use session bus ? | 20:02 |
| L0cutus | ok, ported also 'less' | 20:03 |
| L0cutus | http://www.zamprogno.it/files/os2008/less_382-1_armel.deb | 20:04 |
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| ywwg | can someone help me install libgtkmozembed on chinoook scratchbox? | 20:05 |
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| truent_ | L0cutus, thanks for the info, i'll have to revamp to be os2008 compatible | 20:10 |
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| K`zan | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/ - gotta get me one of those :-)! | 20:14 |
| ywwg | I can apt-get the source for libgtkmozembed but it can't find the package itself | 20:14 |
| ywwg | and if I try to build the source... there is no source included! | 20:14 |
| ywwg | and of course no readme on how to build it | 20:15 |
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| ywwg | there's some sort of moz cvs fetcher script, but there's clearly some sort of undocumented process to build it | 20:16 |
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| L0cutus | thanks to you truent_ :) keep me informed, i'm interested to pan on my n800+htc tytn | 20:17 |
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| L0cutus | mmm i need more info on deb packages... | 20:36 |
| L0cutus | i don't know how to set a dependency, nor how to build a deb library | 20:38 |
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| LoCusF | fortunately its not that hard | 20:56 |
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| L0cutus | L0cutus, can you point me to some 'simple' howto ? | 20:58 |
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| L0cutus | LoCusF, can you point me to some 'simple' howto ? | 20:59 |
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| Tu13es | what does OS2008 offer over 2007? | 21:57 |
| toresbe | 1 | 21:57 |
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| Vulcanis | it ups the CPU speed to 400mhz, for one thing | 21:57 |
| toresbe | :) | 21:57 |
| Vulcanis | which means youtube videos are now bearable. | 21:57 |
| toresbe | are they? Neato. | 21:57 |
| Tu13es | does that kill battery life? | 21:58 |
| Vulcanis | not as far as I can tell | 21:58 |
| toresbe | nope | 21:58 |
| Vulcanis | The only downside, is it only has about a fourth of the apps ported to it. | 21:58 |
| Tu13es | interesting | 21:59 |
| Tu13es | I bought an iTouch so I haven't used my n800 in a few months | 21:59 |
| bodhammer | Hi - still looking for some help getting clisp running. I have done the following: http://nopaste.codersnet.org/pastes.php?view=124 Any suggestions on where to go from here? | 21:59 |
| Vulcanis | Itouch has the same processor speed as the n800 now | 21:59 |
| Tu13es | yep | 21:59 |
| toresbe | and the n800 doesn't suck :) | 21:59 |
| Vulcanis | and (I believe) the same amount of RAM | 22:00 |
| Tu13es | I never said the n800 sucked | 22:00 |
| Vulcanis | I know | 22:00 |
| Tu13es | the iTouch just did more of what I need | 22:01 |
| * Vulcanis can't wait until Quetoo is ported to OS2008 | 22:01 | |
| Vulcanis | Quake 2 on the faster processor will be fun. | 22:01 |
| Vulcanis | as far as I can tell, it already works, but I cannot run it because of a random error | 22:01 |
| Vulcanis | and the launcher app just hangs and then dies. | 22:01 |
| Vulcanis | wow | 22:01 |
| Vulcanis | and now that I said that | 22:01 |
| Vulcanis | it works. | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tu13es, no battery life impact. | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Battery life should actually be better if you useless lightly. | 22:03 |
| Tu13es | GeneralAntilles: cool. | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | As it's CPU scaling now. | 22:03 |
| Vulcanis | Oh, guys, question | 22:04 |
| Vulcanis | the "x days idle", does that count wifi, or no? | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does. | 22:04 |
| Vulcanis | Like, turn off & lock, butn ot offline | 22:04 |
| Vulcanis | So if I just turn off and lock it, it'll last the 8days or whatever? | 22:04 |
| Vulcanis | turn off screen* | 22:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, or so. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should really be plugging it in, though. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Running down the battery is bad for it. | 22:05 |
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| Vulcanis | this is while I'm out and not near my charger. | 22:05 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Got my USB power injector done last night, just need to pot it and then I can check out various USB drvices! | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool stuff. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm way too lazy to bother with that. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just need to find an OTG cable and be done. | 22:06 |
| K`zan | Will put up a schematic and pix later today. Real ugly bug setup, but it appears to work (less actually testing it with a device). | 22:06 |
| Vulcanis | whats a BT kb you guys reccomend? | 22:06 |
| Vulcanis | One thats small/pocketsized when folded | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | iGo | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1197144428&sr=8-1 | 22:07 |
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| Vulcanis | Thanks. That looks good. | 22:07 |
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| Vulcanis | Wow | 22:07 |
| hugolp | whats the default user password? | 22:07 |
| Vulcanis | 120$ savings? | 22:07 |
| K`zan | got one coming here :-) | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | rootme | 22:07 |
| hugolp | thanks | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you either have to have R&D enabled or becomeroot installed. | 22:08 |
| Vulcanis | <3 gainroot | 22:08 |
| K`zan | Everything shipped from all over the country is already here, the stuff from Amazon (in town) is still not here :-/. | 22:08 |
| Vulcanis | So, guys, what apps should I have for OS2008? | 22:08 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: I have installed becomeroot | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you're set, hugolp! | 22:08 |
| Vulcanis | ((I don't even really know the crucial OS2007 apps, I got the tablet three days ago | 22:08 |
| hugolp | and changed the password for the root user | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just remember to change the password. | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right-o | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | FBReader, maemo mapper, and mplayer for starters. | 22:09 |
| Vulcanis | Mapper really that useful? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ScummVM is fairly awesome if you have some Scumm stuff about | 22:09 |
| Vulcanis | I don't, but I may pirate that. | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper is fan-fucking-tastic. ;) | 22:09 |
| Vulcanis | Even without the GPS thinger? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's sorta like having Google Earth on the tablet | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | so, yes. | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | But pick yourself up a bluetooth GPS at your earliest convenience. | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue is what I recommend. | 22:10 |
| Vulcanis | I don't really want the GPS for it | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xchat is another good one. | 22:10 |
| Vulcanis | xchat is on it... Heh, it was the first thing I got. | 22:10 |
| hugolp | if I do sudo su I get this Sorry, user is not allowed to execute /bin/su as root on Nokia-N800-44-4. | 22:10 |
| Tu13es | I'm debating not selling my n800 and keeping it for a GPS for my car | 22:10 |
| Vulcanis | hugolp: do sudo gainroot | 22:10 |
| hugolp | Vulcanis: its the only way? | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tu13es, N810? | 22:11 |
| Vulcanis | pretty much, hugolp. | 22:11 |
| hugolp | Vulcanis: in OS2007 sudo su worked | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to add yourself to sudoers if you want to use the method you mentioned. | 22:11 |
| Tu13es | ? | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | sudo su is a strange way to spell sudo -s, isn't it? | 22:11 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: whats the comand for that? | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmpc if you have an mpd server, Vulcanis. | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | google it | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'sudoers maemo' or 'sudoers n800' | 22:12 |
| Vulcanis | mpd? | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tu13es, why sell the N800? | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | music player daemon, Vulcanis. | 22:12 |
| Vulcanis | Ah. | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | gpe-sudoku is fun. | 22:12 |
| Vulcanis | Do you know if Canola has been ported to '80 yet? | 22:12 |
| Vulcanis | 08* | 22:12 |
| Tu13es | GeneralAntilles: I have an iPod Touch that I use now | 22:12 |
| Species8472 | N800 > iPod Touch | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mauku if you have a Jaiku account. | 22:12 |
| Tu13es | eh, not what I need it for | 22:13 |
| Tu13es | but I'm not here to argue | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works really well as a couch browser, Tu13es. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Best ebook reader available. | 22:13 |
| Vulcanis | [15:12:57] <Species8472> N800 > iPod Touch -- Same processor, same ram... SAme storage with 2 8gb cards... Youtube is a tad crappier, though. Web browser is better. | 22:13 |
| Vulcanis | that is supporting Species8472 | 22:14 |
| Tu13es | GeneralAntilles: I know what it can do | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Species8472 is a troll. | 22:14 |
| Tu13es | tbh I like the browser on the touch better, but that's just me | 22:14 |
| Vulcanis | doesn't have flash support. | 22:14 |
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| bodhammer | Is Java running yet on OS2008? | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Console only, bodhammer. | 22:15 |
| Vulcanis | GeneralAntilles: Do you know if Canola has been brought to OS2008 yeT? | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beta on the 12th | 22:15 |
| Tu13es | anyone have mClock installed? | 22:15 |
| Vulcanis | Hm. GeneralAntilles: Then can anything else work with Tversity? | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Media player should handle it fine. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | UPnP? | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/index2.html | 22:16 |
| bodhammer | See post above, I need some help getting my project going - should I just start one at garage.maemo.org for clisp/SBCL? | 22:18 |
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| hugolp | btw becomeroot is a posible thread, anyone can get to my N800 install becomeroot and do what he wants | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | If somebody has local access to your machine, there's nothing you can do about it. | 22:20 |
| hugolp | I see, canola looks good but its not open source yet, is it? | 22:22 |
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| Vulcanis | Canola is nice. | 22:24 |
| dragorn | if someone has access to your machine they can just reflash a kernel on it, too. Set a device pw if you're really paranoid. | 22:25 |
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| |R | ok, seems like the code cannot be changed from EU to US... I'm screwed. | 22:25 |
| Vulcanis | which code? | 22:26 |
| |R | sorry, i meant developer discount program code.. | 22:26 |
| |R | i chose France as i didn't know back then that i could have a contact in the US | 22:27 |
| |R | but i don't want an azerty keyboard and only channels 10-13 where in Canada it's 10-11... that would leave me with 10-11 | 22:28 |
| |R | Unless the devices are not blocked and it's just the APs ? | 22:28 |
| Vulcanis | can't help you with that, sorry. | 22:29 |
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| |R | hehe no problems, I would need to find family in the UK pretty fast :P | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | hugolp, yeah, I'm not sure why they feel the need to close it. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Python, even, so they have to WORK to keep it closed. | 22:31 |
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| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: and they recomend as well a closed upnp server | 22:34 |
| hugolp | guess they dont use open source and thats all | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | There really aren't many good open ones available. | 22:35 |
| p| | re | 22:35 |
| Vulcanis | So, lock & turn off screen counts as 'idle' as the battery, right? | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a soft power-off mode that's available, too. | 22:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Basically lock, but it's single-button activation and you can have it toggle offline mode, too. | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately completely broken with the current OS2008 release | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | we may or may not see it fixed with the final. | 22:39 |
| Tu13es | I need to reinstall the OS to fix a repo problem - should I install 2008? | 22:40 |
| Vulcanis | Yeah, I saw softpoweroff was broken | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 22:42 |
| Vulcanis | What does soft poweroff do, if you keep it from doing offline mode? | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same as locking, essentially. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just much more convenient. | 22:42 |
| derf | Keep you from having to hit two buttons. | 22:42 |
| Vulcanis | Pfft. | 22:43 |
| Vulcanis | So, I know I asked this before, but I was kinda unsure on the answers. | 22:43 |
| Vulcanis | If I turn off and lock, but do not go into offline mode | 22:43 |
| Vulcanis | Is that what is 'idle', or does that still count as in use. | 22:43 |
| Vulcanis | for what is on the battery meter | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's idle, unless there's some rampant process eating all your cycles. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just setting it down on your desk and leaving it for 4 days is idle. | 22:44 |
| guerby | hi, I'm unable to find privoxy for OS2008, any idea? | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in extras, I think. | 22:44 |
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| Vulcanis | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but again, with the "Time left:" thing, is this the idle it is talking about, or is it only if it is offline mode. | 22:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The powersaving on the wifi is very good | 22:45 |
| guerby | GeneralAntilles, I have extra: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free | 22:45 |
| guerby | but app manager does not find it | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leaving it connected is just about equivalent to turning it off. | 22:46 |
| Vulcanis | Mmm. | 22:46 |
| Vulcanis | Ok | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it guerby. | 22:46 |
| Vulcanis | One more question... | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Search for it. | 22:46 |
| Vulcanis | How much more power does the 'autofind after 5 minutes' take up, instead of having autofind networks off | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, if it's connected to a network | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | none | 22:46 |
| guerby | GeneralAntilles, thanks! I did not know this site | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | if you're walking (or driving) around and it's searching for networks, more than none. | 22:47 |
| Vulcanis | Mmm, thanks. | 22:47 |
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| Vulcanis | Right, but would it cause a huge drop in batterylife, or not? (This would be screen locked, still, but I'd like to be connected when I pull it out, if it is possible. | 22:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Depends on your use case | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're driving around doing errands, it's going to have an effect on battery life | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | since it'll be searching (unsuccessfully) for known, usable networks every 5 minutes. | 22:48 |
| Vulcanis | Mmm, alright. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you go from home to work and back (and, perhaps, to a friend's) and all places have known, usable wifi, then no, it's not really going to impact battery life. | 22:49 |
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| Vulcanis | thanks again. | 22:53 |
| derf | Well, I mean, once it finds a network it has to work to keep you connected to it. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800's power saving is incredibly good. | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | There difference in power usage when sitting on a connection idling is pretty trivial as far as daily-use is concerned. | 22:54 |
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| derf | I guess I just spend too much time worrying about devices that can have at most milliwatt power consumptions. | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like it. ;) | 22:56 |
| Vulcanis | So, other than canola, what players support TVersity? | 22:56 |
| K`zan | derf: I used to, but found my crank charger will charge it anywhere :). | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is TVersity UPnP, Vulcanis? | 22:56 |
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| Vulcanis | I'll check, I don't think so. | 22:57 |
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| Vulcanis | yes, it appears to be. | 22:57 |
| dev | GeneralAntilles: it is | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then Media player will handle it just fine. | 22:58 |
| Vulcanis | Where in media player do I find the option to do it? | 22:58 |
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| Vulcanis | haha. | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be right at the top level of the library. | 22:58 |
| Vulcanis | Apparently it took restarting to find it | 22:58 |
| Vulcanis | yeah | 22:58 |
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| K`zan | Is there something that needs loading to get USB devices detected? | 23:05 |
| K`zan | ls /proc | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you don't have the right pin grounded, then you need to force host mode somehow. | 23:06 |
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| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Power should be right, took the pins off a reguar USB cable which checked against what reference I found. | 23:07 |
| K`zan | Just plugged in a USB->serial converter and see nothing in dmesg... | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's some specific grounding for switching from slave to host | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evidently that's not grounded correctly | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | so you gotta force it. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's probably something on the ITT wiki or the forums. | 23:07 |
| K`zan | Before I pot it I'd like to figure out what "grounded correctly" means :-). | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | OTG cables are different from regular cables. | 23:08 |
| jabaro | why is it that if I try gcc -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 example_camera.c (c example from "How to Use Camera API") it fails? what else? | 23:08 |
| K`zan | Will try the USB ethernet thingie and see if that does anything... | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have any first-hand experience, so I don't really know. | 23:08 |
| K`zan | OTG, making notes :) | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just giving you the summary of what I've read. | 23:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which is a lot. :P | 23:09 |
| K`zan | "OTG" ?!? | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | On The Go | 23:09 |
| dragorn | 800 or 810? | 23:09 |
| K`zan | :-) ahead of me in that department :). | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, this guy will know. :P | 23:09 |
| K`zan | n800 w/2008 for n800 | 23:09 |
| dragorn | The 800 uses a Mini-B which has to be custom-made to be grounded to mini-a in a mini-b shell, or you have to use /sys to kick it into host mode | 23:09 |
| dragorn | 810 uses a micro-ab which can take micro-a for host mode, and /sys didn't work (for me) | 23:10 |
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| dragorn | also as someone else pointed out (and I didn't believe until getting a multimeter), it only puts out 3.3 instead of 5v on USB in host mode so you might need to build a power injection cable, depending on the power draw of your device | 23:10 |
| K`zan | Got the power injector, no 5V to the n800, just signals and ground. | 23:11 |
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| K`zan | 5V injected into whatever device is plugged in. | 23:11 |
| dragorn | you have to toggle it into host mode via /sys, I forget the file, find /sys -name mode | 23:11 |
| dragorn | it'll be in devices/something_usb/mode (or usb_something mode) | 23:11 |
| dragorn | echo 'host' to that file | 23:11 |
| dragorn | as far as the grounded pin,it has to be inside the mini-b end, it's the fifth pin there. | 23:12 |
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| dragorn | (and mini-a is a different physical connector, so you can't get a "proper" cable) | 23:12 |
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| K`zan | dragorn: Thanks, making notes. I presume you mean /proc/devices... | 23:13 |
| dragorn | no, I think it's in /sys | 23:13 |
| K`zan | ls /proc/devices | 23:13 |
| dragorn | it's on ITT somewhere | 23:13 |
| K`zan | WIll go search, never have gotten my registration email from them :-(. | 23:14 |
| K`zan | Not lighting up the ethernet dongle :-(. | 23:15 |
| dragorn | it won't until you put it in host mode | 23:15 |
| K`zan | Ah | 23:15 |
| dragorn | client to client has no power | 23:15 |
| dragorn | it's /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 23:15 |
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| K`zan | Gonna have to tear up once of those connectors and get it right :). | 23:16 |
| dragorn | it'll also complain to you about the device being unsupported. it also might not light up on enumeration, and require a host drive | 23:16 |
| dragorn | good luck, they're tiny and sealed | 23:16 |
| * K`zan wonders if she is wasting her time with this.... | 23:16 | |
| dragorn | I'd just do it w/ sys | 23:16 |
| K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 23:17 |
| K`zan | b_idle | 23:17 |
| dragorn | yes. so echo host to it | 23:17 |
| K`zan | OK, trying that now :-). THanks! | 23:18 |
| K`zan | echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 23:18 |
| K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 23:18 |
| K`zan | a_wait_bcon | 23:18 |
| K`zan | Hummm... | 23:18 |
| dragorn | try disconnecting/reconnecting the device | 23:19 |
| dragorn | the usb stuff isn't exactly stable | 23:19 |
| K`zan | disconnect / echo / replug? | 23:19 |
| K`zan | Not changing... | 23:20 |
| dragorn | might need too much power to enumerate | 23:20 |
| K`zan | Got 800mA on the power jack... | 23:21 |
| K`zan | Available | 23:21 |
| K`zan | Not pulling :) | 23:21 |
| dragorn | I don't think so, i think the chipset only provides around 200mA | 23:22 |
| K`zan | External wall wart supplying ONLY the plugged in device... | 23:22 |
| K`zan | Well, it changed with that one, went back to a_suspend when I echoed host to it. | 23:23 |
| K`zan | Well, it changed with that one, went to a_suspend when I echoed host to it. | 23:23 |
| l7_ | n | 23:23 |
| dragorn | If you're talking about the n800, then no, that doesn't imply it has more than 200mW on the usb port | 23:23 |
| dragorn | unless you mean you're powering the usb ethernet card | 23:23 |
| K`zan | I'm powering it, 5V line from the n800 is not connected. | 23:23 |
| K`zan | Just signals and ground to the n800. | 23:24 |
| dragorn | ah | 23:24 |
| K`zan | I think I am going to give this up, doesn't look promising with the devices I have(?!) | 23:24 |
| K`zan | doing the echo doesn't seem to take. | 23:25 |
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| dragorn | awesome, udev rules work for usb on os2008 | 23:28 |
| K`zan | Schematic for the injector: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/USB-PI-2.pdf | 23:30 |
| dragorn | try something else | 23:30 |
| dragorn | like a keychain flash drive | 23:30 |
| dragorn | that should show up in the file manager if you have usb host working properly | 23:31 |
| * K`zan scrounges up SD reader and card... | 23:32 | |
| K`zan | That lights up | 23:33 |
| K`zan | dmesg | 23:33 |
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| K`zan | Quite a list in dmesg on it, lemme see if I can mount /dev/sda | 23:35 |
| K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# mount /dev/sda1 /x | 23:35 |
| K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# ls /x | 23:35 |
| K`zan | TimeLine.txt gsf-1.odt vw001.sxw | 23:35 |
| K`zan | Transfusion-w1.odt howiwri1.pdf | 23:35 |
| K`zan | Cool! | 23:35 |
| K`zan | Appears to work for the SD reader! | 23:36 |
| ywwg | it woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorks! | 23:36 |
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| K`zan | :-) | 23:36 |
| K`zan | ls -l /dev/sda | 23:37 |
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| K`zan | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 23:38 |
| K`zan | a_host | 23:38 |
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| K`zan | Seems picky about what it will accept though :-). | 23:38 |
| djtansey | I have a question about maemo, specifically about its browser. Does it have any advanced offline-mode system so that websites can be used interactively between wifi connections and synced up later? | 23:38 |
| K`zan | umount /media/usb/sda1 | 23:38 |
| K`zan | Finds the serial dongle, but list mode as a_suspend... | 23:39 |
| K`zan | [97781.500000] usb 1-1: device v067b p2303 is not supported | 23:40 |
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| K`zan | But not the SMC ethernet dongle. | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not currently, djtansey. | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most websites today that's impossible to do, though. | 23:42 |
| K`zan | OK, that was fun :-), now for brekky. | 23:42 |
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| djtansey | GeneralAntilles: thank you. good to know. do you happen to know of any emerging standards that would allow that? | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha, no. | 23:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | With AJAX and that nonsense? | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better off just getting yourself a cellular data connection if you're going to be off wifi a lot. :) | 23:43 |
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| djtansey | I am planning to do that. Though I don't yet have a device. That happens when I get back from Nigeria. | 23:44 |
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| djtansey | I ask because I am interested in finding uses of the n800/n810 in the international development context, meaning to function as point of sale systems for micro-finance loans. I was hoping to have it all be web-based. But I guess it will have to be a local app that syncs independently | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be a lot more feasible. | 23:46 |
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| Species8472 | My house is in fire, what should I do? | 23:47 |
| derf | Liveblog it. | 23:48 |
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| Species8472 | I'm allergic for blogs | 23:48 |
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| Anastasia | Random reboot, I do so love fedora... | 23:49 |
| djtansey | GeneralAntilles, I suspect so. Thanks for your help. Any suggestions for someone looking for a crash course on Maemo development. I did GTK development for a few years from around 1999-2001, so I have some (obsolete) familiarity. | 23:49 |
| derf | I would think your allergies to extreme heat and air without oxygen would be more pressing problems. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org | 23:49 |
| Species8472 | Hi GeneralAntilles, nice website. | 23:50 |
| halley | Hm, the only port of kanjipad I can find is perhaps built into im-ja. | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody kick the troll. | 23:50 |
| Species8472 | I'm merely complementing you on your website :( | 23:50 |
| Anastasia | usb adapter cable I was using with the ethernet dongle was apparently bad, shows up as "Unable to connect, Device not supported" with the new cable. Progress! | 23:50 |
| djtansey | GeneralAntilles, thanks.. was hoping there was something published that I didn't know about. I guess that's where I'll go. Thanks again. | 23:51 |
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| dragorn | Anastasia: it'll say that about nearly everything | 23:51 |
| Anastasia | dragorn: But the power injector works :). I guess I'd need to compile a kernel with the desired modules to get this working. | 23:51 |
| dragorn | it'll complain about being unsupported anyhow, afaik | 23:52 |
| dragorn | that's part of the otg whitelist, I'm looking into it for my own stuff | 23:52 |
| dragorn | I don't know how easy it is to control | 23:52 |
| halley | Is it a true usb, or just an "enough usb for the block host" feature? | 23:52 |
| dragorn | it's USB-OTG, which is a new standard | 23:52 |
| halley | OTG? One True G*d? | 23:52 |
| Anastasia | halley: I have NO idea, OLD usb stuff from the 266 MHz Gateway laptop :). | 23:52 |
| dragorn | on the go | 23:52 |
| halley | Over The Gizmo? | 23:53 |
| Anastasia | Both are supported on the desktop machine though, FWIW. | 23:53 |
| halley | Why did usb need "on the go"? Dual-directionality? | 23:53 |
| halley | Host and peripheral, that is? | 23:53 |
| dragorn | it's a usb dev-to-dev spec, not very common yet. It's one device to one device, no hubs, limited power, and limited "officially" supported devices | 23:53 |
| Anastasia | FOOD! bbl | 23:53 |
| dragorn | hence the whitelist, but that should be controllable somewhere | 23:54 |
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| Species8472 | Does anyone know what binge are? | 23:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Really, they shoulda used Firewire instead. ;) | 23:56 |
| Fatal | I'd use smoke signals | 23:56 |
| Species8472 | GeneralAntilles, now that is a troll. | 23:58 |
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