IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-12-07

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K`zanGeneralAntilles: Wow, instant first fix, MUCH faster than the GPSMAP76CS and I didn't even have to put it in the window!00:02
AstroK`zan: want my .config?00:02
Astrofeatures ipv6!00:02
GeneralAntillesYeah, the i-blues are absurdly fast.00:02
blitheWhich gps unit did you get?00:02
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GeneralAntillesI don't think I've ever not been able to get a signal.00:02
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K`zanAstro: Sure would, as noted not even a clue as how to start doing this for the n800, but that would be one part of it.00:03
K`zanGeneralAntilles: Yes, surprising, took all sorts of work to get first fix on the Garmin (it came from the other side of the country).00:03
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AstroK`zan: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html00:04
K`zanAstro: Thank you VERY much!00:06
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K`zanmaemo mapper is just too cool!  Only thing it is missing is the zoom in and out touch spots on the screen.00:14
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|Rhehe i don't see how using the converted power from the wall is going going to be less green then converting it once more to battery power first... :)00:32
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GeneralAntillesI bought 3 extra chargers and leave them plugged in just to spit Nokia.00:38
GeneralAntilles*spite00:39
|Rhaha00:39
GeneralAntillesIt's such a stupid notice00:39
GeneralAntillesand it gets in the way00:39
GeneralAntillesI unplug my device, I want to USE it00:39
GeneralAntillesNot wait for their retarded notice to die.00:39
GeneralAntillesSo, VOTE ON MY BUG!00:40
GeneralAntillesIf Nokia ACTUALLY cared about the environment, they'd stop producing billions of phones a year.00:40
GeneralAntillesBut shit like this is just lame and hypocritical.00:40
|Rwell, they do make a good effort to get  greener :)00:42
GeneralAntillesI'd rather they keep their hypocrisy off my internet tablet.00:43
Atariilol00:44
Atariiis there a screeny of this message?00:44
GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228500:44
GeneralAntilles#200:44
GeneralAntillesErm, #1, rather.00:44
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GeneralAntillesActually, I'd be happy if they would just give me an option to turn it off.00:45
GeneralAntillesI'll even sign a waiver stating that I understand that I'm dooming us to the downfall of humanity.00:45
celestehthat seems like the sort of thing that might be used against you later00:45
Atariilol00:45
GeneralAntillesIf it saves me from that goddamn notice, I don't care.00:46
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Atariidoes it just display that message when you unplug the charge, or another message stating 'changer unplugged' aswell?00:47
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GeneralAntillesIt replaces "Battery full"00:47
Atariifor a short-term fix, would it be possible to replace the string in the firmwarE?00:48
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VulcanisHas anyone gotten Quetoo working on a nokia n800 with OS2008?00:51
johnnynokiayeh that's annoying, i can't stand that type of nonsense either,  vote cast for what its worth00:51
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GeneralAntillesDunno.00:52
GeneralAntilles"Nokia management is a bunch of big blubbering hypocrites" ?00:52
GeneralAntillesAh, that would make me happy.00:52
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inzIIRC "unused charger" takes about on third of the power of a used one00:55
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inzDecide for yourself it that's a lot or not00:56
inzI heat my house by electricity, I don't really care during the winter00:56
inz;)00:56
GeneralAntillesExactly.00:56
GeneralAntillesI'm a free person00:56
GeneralAntillesI don't need Nokia telling me what to do.00:57
GeneralAntillesPersonally, the opportunity cost of crawling under my desk to unplug the stupid wall-wart every time I take me N800 off the charger is high.00:57
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Atariiopportunity cost ftw00:58
inzbut you kill a polar bear every time you don't unplug it00:58
inzand you don't even get to eat it00:58
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GeneralAntillesGood, fuck the polar bears. They never did anything for us, anyway.00:59
Atariithen again that polar bear will help fuel something else in millions of years so its one big cycle00:59
GeneralAntillesReally, Nokia should just manufacture on-demand chargers and stop trying to be trendy.01:00
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celestehThey're in Finalnd, aren't they?01:01
celestehaside from losing reindeer, they have a lot of gain from global warming01:02
celestehmore areable land01:02
celestehnorthwest shipping passage opening up01:02
celestehthe size of their landmass is actually increasing01:02
celestehalso, Fins are very tough01:02
celestehThey're clearly going to be the major power in a warmer world01:02
celestehso if they're trying to spare us from global warming, this shows that at least they'll be a benevolent empire when they rules us all01:03
Atarii"a dark, furry animal that was locally known as the nokia"01:04
Atariithat's the best thing ive read all day01:04
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VulcanisSo Nokia is a furry, now?01:13
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msh_celesteh: hah. thuogh hm, 6300 chargers seem sane when they're not attached. unless my wattmeter is bogus.02:13
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RocketmanStanding in line at the post office. The xmas shipping lines are already ginormous02:18
Rocketmanstanding in line used to be much more dull, though02:19
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RocketmanSo, what is everyone up to?02:19
anthrobuginstalling maps02:21
anthrobugu?02:21
RocketmanMaemo Mapper or the built in?02:21
anthrobugbuilt in - but on a 80002:21
RocketmanWould be nice if there were a torrent with all the maps in it02:23
anthrobugyeah these things are murder02:23
anthrobugfriggin 733MB's? are they kidding?02:24
RocketmanThere server seemed slow too02:25
RocketmanI just ran it overnight02:26
RocketmanI heard the firmware download site was running at like 3KBps02:26
anthrobugyeah, it took about a day to download it02:27
anthrobugdid it over the weekend02:27
anthrobugthis map just crapped out at like 20%...02:27
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anthrobugthere's no other place to download these? I'm under the impression i've got to use this built in client to get the maps02:28
GeneralAntillesDo you have at least 1.4GB free?02:28
anthrobugyeah, it's a fresh 2GB - i formatted it the first time it failed02:29
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GeneralAntillesITT says fmradio is out for 2008.02:40
GeneralAntillesAnybody confirm?02:40
GeneralAntillesnot coming up when I refresh02:40
GeneralAntillesThere it is, nevermind.02:43
GeneralAntillesK`zan.02:43
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GeneralAntillesWell . . . it's really good at hard-freezing the device.02:52
vlad_is it possible to kill off X and use the framebuffer directly on the n800/n810?02:52
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K`zanGeneralAntilles: Thanks, now to find it :)03:01
ds3vlad_, yes.03:01
vlad_ds3: any pages with info on how to do so? my googling failed me03:01
ds3donno03:02
ds3vlad_: IIRC, you will need to disable the right watchdog or it'll reboot03:03
vlad_ah, good info, thanks03:03
vlad_I want to do some perf tests without X getting in the way03:03
ds3ah03:03
ds3forgot which watchdog but once you do that, Xomap should be killable. besure to have either ssh/telnet/etc setup or the right cable for the rear pads03:04
vlad_nod03:04
ds3speaking of which, does anyone sell the right connector for the serial console pads?03:04
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K`zanGeneralAntilles: OK, I'll byte, where is fmradio hidden :-)?03:12
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GeneralAntillesIt's in the repos.03:14
GeneralAntillesI had to refresh a couple times before it would show03:14
GeneralAntillesDunno.03:15
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shackanGeneralAntilles: can't find it here03:16
GeneralAntillesIt worked after I ran apt-get upgrade03:16
shackanshouldn't the package manager work the same?03:17
|penguinbait|GA, still no tan?03:17
GeneralAntillesMeh, maybe in the spring. :P03:18
|penguinbait|where abouts are you03:18
GeneralAntillesNortherly in Tallahassee.03:18
|penguinbait|ah03:18
|penguinbait|they get the fires out yet03:18
GeneralAntillesHave there been some in the last few weeks?03:19
GeneralAntillesI hadn't noticed.03:19
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K`zanGeneralAntilles: Got the app catalog to update finally, got it!  Thanks *very* much03:35
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Did you get my broadcast message on Jablet?03:41
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K`zanCamera works much better under 2008!03:49
VulcanisFor the n800? it seems to have better fps, yeah.03:49
Vulcanisthough mine still has random blue splotches03:50
K`zanCool, fmradio and camera, all in one day :-)03:50
K`zanWell, it is a crappy camera, but...03:50
* Vulcanis still wants someone to get Quetoo working for the n80003:50
VulcanisIts also badly placed.  :/03:50
K`zanDon't know what that is :-).03:50
VulcanisHave to hold the tablet to the side to get your face in it03:50
VulcanisQuetoo is the Quake 2 port03:50
Vulcanistheres a working version for OS200703:50
K`zanAh, not much of a gamer here.03:50
VulcanisBut 08 is amazing otherwise.,03:50
VulcanisI just got my tablet... two days ago.  Any 2008 apps I should desparately get?03:51
K`zanAlthough I did install the doom thing just to see how it does.  I get sick playing doom on the PC.03:51
VulcanisDoom on the tablet... hurts.03:51
K`zan:-)03:51
Vulcanisgreat graphics, but I need an external kb to play it, since I can't turn on it easily03:52
VulcanisQuake atleast can use the screen to aim03:52
ds3Hmmmm integrate a wii bluetooth accelerometer into the controls...03:52
VulcanisYeah, you can pair it with wii controllers, last I saw.03:52
Vulcanishacked drivers and whatnot03:52
K`zanDunno, depends on what you want / need :-/.  All good although I would like a good organizer I can sync.  Got the palm emulator installed, but that only sync's via network so it is kind of a PITA to go back and forth to wincrap in.03:52
Vulcanisdon't like palm.03:53
K`zanNeed to look at korganizer and see if it might sync via net (jpilot won't ).03:53
K`zanNeither do I anymore, that is why I got the n800 :-).03:53
K`zanPalm has gone from gold (vx/c3) to crap.03:53
K`zanDigitizer on the Z31 wanders around all over the place (both of them).03:54
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Vulcanisis it sad that I'll probably teach myself how to port apps to maemo just so I can play quake2 before they finish updating it for OS08?03:57
K`zanI'm looking at the same thing for jpilot, but that may well not work out unless I can figure out how to get USB to the z31 working - once I do that I don't need the z31 anymore :)03:58
ds3I think pilot-link will but no gui03:58
K`zands3: Thanks, will check that out.03:59
ds3K`zan: you just want to extra data or you need to constantly share it?03:59
K`zanno kpilot on fedora!?!?03:59
K`zanJust for me.03:59
ds3then why not backup everything onto an SD card and move that to the 800?03:59
ds3or does the 31 lack an SD slot?04:00
K`zanI can make it work by booting native 32bit wincrap, syncing with the z31 and then moving it to the n800 user for the emulator and then network syncing...04:00
K`zanNo, got SD, that might work, hadn't thought of that, thanks!04:00
K`zanOnly thing useful on it :)04:00
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ds3gotten too many "legacy" apps on the Palm to get rid of so GarnetVM was a major major thing04:02
ds3now if they can just get VFS implemented, I can chuck the treo for a free phone w/bt04:02
K`zanYes, it is, very nice, but would be nice if it would usb sunc :-)04:02
ds3usb sync should just work04:03
ds3might have to muck with the USB ids in the driver and recompile04:03
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K`zanA thought, going to see what kpilot will do if I can find it here :-)04:07
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ds3unless they deprecated the kernel driver in the current 2.6 releases... last time I triedit was around 2.6.12 on the treo04:08
K`zanKpilot is usb only, would still have to use wincrap :-/.04:08
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trulsany chances of integrating stuff (like subversion) into the filemanager ?04:09
ds3nice thing about the kernel driver is jpilot can be convinced to work with it, at least once04:11
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Vulc|BlehSo...  What should I get for os2008, and does anyone know when the official release is scheduled?04:20
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MagicFaboh, crap. the 801 wen from "backorder" to out of stock in ~12 hours (or less) today in the USA stora04:32
MagicFabN810 that is04:32
dragornwhat store?04:39
vlad_circuit city (online)04:42
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Vulc|Blehnevermind06:10
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l7hey, has anyone recieved a tablet that has an uneven backlight?06:10
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|Rreallly uneven?06:10
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Vulc|BlehWhich one06:10
Vulc|Blehwhich model*06:10
Vulc|Blehmy n800 does not06:10
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l7|R: slightly uneven06:10
l7the backlight is dim at the right side of the screen06:10
l7and brighter on the left side06:10
l7i'm assuming the LCD lamp is on the left side, and it's a little imperfect?06:10
l7a thread on forums described this as a "common" issue06:10
l7it's noticable in fbreader in full screen06:10
|Rloaded note to have a white bg...06:10
|Rstraight in front i don't notice anything weird06:10
l7hrm i think there are lcd lamps on the right side too06:10
l7they seem to be pointed towards the back of the unit rather than parallel06:10
l7i just heard that returning your unit to nokia for service requires a pretty long time06:10
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ol_schoolahi all. still trying to reflash my n800. it currently has IT2008 1.2007.42-18 with Fanoush's "boot from mmc" initfs06:10
ol_schoolaanytime i try to flash, regardless of the firmware version, it gives this output http://pastebin.ca/80795306:10
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ol_schoolai had the backup of the original initfs as recommended in mmc boot writeup, but a recent haphazard housekeeping on my mac wiped it out06:12
* ol_schoola goes looking for a trout to self-administer06:12
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ol_schoolaAbout Product control panel reports Nokia N800 Internet Tablet, <unknown>, Version: <unknown>, WLAN and Bluetooth addresses are normal06:14
* |R never played with boot from mmc yet :|06:20
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jeddy3anyone having any tips for encoding h264 with mencoder, os2008 mediaplayer says video is damaged14:34
lardmanwow a new error message14:35
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lardmanrather than the generic ones we used to get :)14:35
jeddy3i DID interrupt encoding...but rebuild the index, so that _should_ not be a problem...14:36
lardmanjeddy3: does the gstreamer plugin give you any output to debug it?14:36
jeddy3lardman, is gstreamer something i have to isntall?14:37
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lardmanjeddy3: no, it's what the media player uses as a backend14:37
jeddy3ooh, no it just says video clip is damaged, (but in swedish :P)14:38
L0cutusmmm14:38
lardmanyes, but that presumably means it's decided the clip is not to its liking for some reason14:38
lardmanthe question is why14:39
L0cutuspan (newsgroups reader) doesn't compile on os2008.14:39
jeddy3it's avi file ending, and avi container, is that correct?14:39
lardmanno idea, sorry14:39
jeddy3someone have any mencoder arguments to share?14:40
jeddy3i might have encoded it wrong14:40
jeddy3lardman, thanks anyway!14:40
lardmanhttp://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/getting_started_with_multimedia.html, scroll down to deployment14:40
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lardmansee how gst-launch is used with a decoder pipeline14:40
lardmanI was thinking that if you try decoding the file using this commandline tool (you'll need to work out the pipes) then it might output some useful error information14:41
jeddy3lardman, aah, good idea14:41
kulveon 2008? playbin seems to be there easying that task quite a lot..14:42
lardmankulve: I don't know the specifics, but if you do, please share14:43
kulveI think most files play just with "gst-launch playbin uri=file://foo/bar.avi"14:44
kulve+/14:44
lardmanhow does it know what the pipeline should be?14:44
kulvethat's the job of the playbin :)14:44
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lardman:)14:45
lardmanjeddy3: try and see, it may at least give more output than the player14:45
ScreamingCool! Just downloaded the new fm radio app for 2008. Its got an alarm clock!!! And it works, Yipee!14:45
kulvethe plugins tell their mime-types/etc for in/out and the playbin tries to figure out the best pipeline14:45
kulve-v gives a bit more output for gst-launch and "GST_DEBUG=*:5 gst-launch" gives more that you want..14:46
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lardmankulve: cool, thanks14:46
X-Fade_Screaming: Yeah, nice one huh? ;)14:47
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jeddy3hmmm, don't even have gst-launch :P14:47
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KhertanHi !14:48
GeneralAntillesol_schoola, add -F in there ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX...14:48
ScreamingNice to know they really do listen up there in the cold dark Finland14:48
jeddy3os gst-launch-0.1014:49
jeddy3s/or/os/14:49
lardmaninstall gstreamer-tools14:49
lardmanI think14:49
X-Fade_Screaming: Well, if they would really listen, they would release the source ;)14:50
GeneralAntillesI'm surprised they didn't integrate it with the existing alarm function though, Screaming.14:50
ScreamingX-Fade: One step at a time...14:50
kulvejeddy3: yeah, you need gstreamer0.10-tools (or somethink like that). When you know where to get it, let me know too ;)14:50
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jeddy3kulve, yeah, was just searching :D ...no luck :P14:51
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lardmanhttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/14:55
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lopzbuenos dias14:56
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lardmanhttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.13-0osso11_armel.deb to be exact. Or are you not using OS2008?14:56
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lopzbye xD14:59
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Screaminglopz: Buenas tardes15:01
kulveI added the repository.maemo.org and installed less, wget, and gstreamer0.10-tools from there15:01
kulvedeb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free15:02
kulvebut I think you can get packages from there that are not suitable for the device, so be careful what to install..15:02
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Screamingkulve: ...or not...they seem to have packages(eg python2.5) that appear and disappear at the drop of a hat.15:07
kulvegst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/oggeja/file.ogg plays just fine15:07
GeneralAntillesAny Nokians about?15:08
ScreamingCurrently waiting fir kagu and python to re-emerge from the maemo black-hole:(15:08
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kulveGeneralAntilles: what do you need Nokians for..?15:09
GeneralAntillestimeless had me file a bug on the docs yesterday and wanted me to "grab a nokian on friday and make sure it's imported".15:09
GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=249915:09
kulveGeneralAntilles: ok. Try to find one then :)15:10
GeneralAntillesHehe, that's what I was doing. ;)15:10
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kulvedoes somebody want to try playing oggs with the built-in player on 2008?15:11
kulve(probably won't work)15:11
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ScreamingGeneralAntilles: Holiday Thursday,day off Friday. In Spain they call it a puente-a bridge.15:12
GeneralAntillesI'm just doing what the big, mean browser dev told me to do. :P15:12
ScreamingGA: You mean the nicest Nokian around.:-)15:13
GeneralAntillesPfft.15:14
czrjust think of all the karma points ;-)15:14
* GeneralAntilles doesn't think his garage account is linked to his bugzilla account.15:14
czrdifferent email?15:15
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GeneralAntillesGood question, don't recall.15:15
GeneralAntillesCan you handle the "importing", czr?15:15
czrif it's the same email, it should link ok methinks15:15
czrno, I'm not a nokee15:15
GeneralAntillesWell, damn.15:15
czrfriday probably is a day off for the finnish nokees15:16
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czryesterday was the independence day and all that15:16
lardmankulve: I think he wanted to play h.26415:16
kulvelardman: could be. I just proved my point about playbin ;)15:18
kulvebut I think the device doesn't use playbin for all mimetypes..15:18
kulveso there might be handcrafted pipelines for some..15:18
kulvebbl15:18
lardmank15:18
jeddy3GeneralAntilles, you had encoded h.264 for os 2008, right?15:19
GeneralAntillesYeah, didn't go so well.15:19
lardmanjeddy3: did playbin do anything?15:19
jeddy3lardman, the deb you linked to was "uncopatible" according to application manager15:20
GeneralAntilles400x240 500-1000Kbps with AAC at 24fps (didn't feel like forcing any of my encoders to mp3)15:20
jeddy3GeneralAntilles, and avi file ending?15:20
GeneralAntilles.mp415:20
lardmanjeddy3: you running OS2007 or 2008?15:20
jeddy3aah, that might be it15:20
jeddy3lardman, 200815:20
lardmanhmm15:21
lardmanshould work15:21
jeddy3GeneralAntilles, just change the fileending? not any container arguments or something?15:21
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ScreamingDoes anyone know how to persuade Nokia's legal department to let me agree not to sue them just the once. Not everytime I install something?15:28
lardmanjeddy3: app manager red pill mode install gstreamer-tools. Works fine for me15:29
GeneralAntillesHaha, Screaming.15:31
GeneralAntillesI had the same idea for that stupid "Unplugg the charger" notice.15:31
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GeneralAntillesI'm going to sue them for pain and suffering instead.15:31
ScreamingGA: I guess lawyers are a law unto themselves.15:32
Khertan"<Screaming> Currently waiting fir kagu and python to re-emerge from the maemo black-hole:(" ....15:32
Khertanwhat s the problem ?15:32
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ScreamingGA: DONT! They are LAWYERS15:33
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ScreamingFirst lesson in lawyerhood. "Heads I win, Tails everybody but me looses."15:36
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MSameerWorkis there a document on how to extend HIM better than the maemo.org one ?15:38
jeddy3hmm, i'm also having sync issues with videos produced with tablet-encode :P15:41
lardmanAfter reading about iPhysics on ITT, the actual game looks pretty fun: http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/15:43
felipecjeddy3: have you checked http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/transcoding_how-to.html ?15:43
lardman(scroll down to the youtube video)15:43
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Khertanlardman> funny and as i ve see on itt ... box2D is an open source engine coded in c++ ...15:46
Khertanso it could be ported to maemo ...15:46
Khertanbut the game based on this engine seems not to be open source15:46
lardmanyes indeed15:46
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jeddy3felipec, thanks15:46
lardmanhttp://www.kloonigames.com/blog/games/crayon/ is open source though, and is the same sort of thing15:46
Khertanhum ... i ve found the source last time :)15:46
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KhertanCrayon Physics uses: SDL, SDL_Image, SDL_Mixer and SDL_RotoZoom15:47
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Khertanand i dont find any source ... for crayon15:47
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lardmanKhertan: ah, no I thought I read it was open source15:47
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Khertanthe graphic and music are under cc15:48
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lardmanyeah, oh well15:49
kulvedoes somebody want to try playing oggs with the built-in player on 2008?15:49
kulve(probably won't work)15:49
lardmanI can if you insist15:49
kulvelardman: I don't :)15:49
lardmananything to install to do so? A vorbisidec plugin15:50
kulveI'll need to setup a fresh installation on mmc for someday to easily test those on fresh installs..15:50
kulvelardman: my ogg-support from maemo.org/downloads and then a new version of ogg-support from the url I'll give15:50
lardmanok15:50
lardmanah, is this for Os2008?15:51
kulveyes15:51
felipecjeddy3: there's a script I did inspired by tablet-encode... it has only been tested by me AFAIK15:51
Screaminglardman: Looks fun. I prefer CrayonLawyer. Difference is you never lose.15:51
felipeckulve: hi :) I'm the one that sent you the patch for OS200815:51
jeddy3felipec, why -noidx?15:51
kulvefelipec: hi15:52
kulveI didn't use it as-is, but copied the idea..15:52
derfkulve: How much harder do you think it would be to add Theora support?15:52
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felipeckulve: yeap, you get the idea of what needs to be done anyway15:53
kulvederf: it has it already15:53
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derf!15:53
derfGenisu.15:53
felipeckulve: wow, and how does it work?15:53
kulvefelipec: it didn't work out-of-the-box with all devices I tested it with, so I'm now trying to figure out why..15:53
felipec(Theora)15:54
kulvefelipec: umm. what?15:54
kulveah15:54
kulvewell, it works, but obviously isn't as optimized as mpeg415:54
kulvebut the theora just moved from alpha to beta and got x86/x64 asm optimizations, so maybe it'll get those for arm too some day :)15:55
derfNot until I learn arm assembly.15:56
kulvederf: hmm.. You are a theora dev?15:56
derfkulve: Yes.15:57
kulvewell, thanks for a good codec :)15:57
derfYer welcome.15:57
kulvethe built-in player plays oggs with theora/vorbis on my device..15:57
felipeckulve: for both decoding and encoding?15:57
derfI would actually rather do a dsp task, but I'm waiting for lardman to get enough of one working for Vorbis to steal^Wcopy from.15:58
kulveencoding? I haven't tried encoding anything..15:58
felipeckulve: I mean x86 optimizations for encoding15:58
kulvefelipec: oh. I didn't check that carefully..15:58
derfThere are some, yes.15:59
derfHopefully most will still be standing after Monty's done hacking the encoder to bits.15:59
derfRed Hat finally let him work on something useful.15:59
kulvelardman: thx for testing, even if it didn't work..16:01
Screamingderf: kulve: I always reckoned the neat trick for asm optimising was to write ur c code so the optimiser gave you the assembler you wanted. That way it runs anywhere.16:02
kulvelardman: gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/oggeja/file.ogg16:02
lardmanderf: I have a dsp task for ogg, just have some issues loading it16:02
derfScreaming: The compiler's auto-vectorizer needs some work before it'll be useful enough to do that.16:03
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lardmanderf: waiting on Nokia to provide some compilable source for dsp_dld so I can add some more debugging output and work out what's wrong16:03
ScreamingRespect derf!16:03
Screamingcu guys, gotta go swim in the sea while its stll nice and warm.16:04
felipeclardman: I'm on that ;)16:04
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lardmanfelipec: you a nokian?16:05
lardmankulve: works fine with playbin though16:05
felipeclardman: yes, on the multimedia team16:06
lardmancool16:06
kulvelardman: sure. The stupid mp just says "no-go" without even trying..16:06
kulvebut bbl16:06
lardmanfelipec: you saw my ml post/bug and understand what I'm after then?16:06
lardmankulve: bug me thinks16:07
kulvelardman: btw. You have know that floating point version of the vorbis. You can just remove the lib to get the integer version..16:07
kulve(bug in the ogg-support)16:07
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lardmans/know/now ??16:07
lardmangst was sat at ~18% cpu16:07
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felipeclardman: yes, I think so...16:08
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lardmanI think I know what I want anyway... :)16:09
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felipeclardman: have you checked osso-dsp-loader ?16:09
lardmanfelipec: no, I didn't know that existed16:10
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dobeyholas!16:10
lardmanfelipec: looks like that's what I want, thanks16:11
felipeclardman: me neither :) I was just searching for all the stuff that we have16:11
lardman:)16:12
lardmanI'll post a reply to the list and close my bug16:12
lardmanassuming i can close bugs that is16:12
dobeycan anyone tell me how to make networking work for maemo apps inside scratchbox?16:13
felipeclardman: which bug?16:14
lardmanhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=249816:14
lardmanwas wondering whether to make it fixed or invalid16:14
felipeclardman: well, I guess this needs to be written down somewhere16:15
lardmanno-one but me uses it to be honest, I now know so can tell people if they want it16:16
lardmanalso, if I add a reply to the mailing list and bug tracker, then close the bug, people can search for it too16:16
felipeclardman: let me do that so people know they can ask me too16:17
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lardmanoops, have already sent a post to the mailing list, with your irc name on it too though16:17
lardmando you want to close the bug?16:18
felipeclardman: all right16:18
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lardmanfelipec: I've had some interest from someone who wants to write an SBC dsp task, is this worth pursuing or will it soon be duplicated?16:19
lardmans/wants to write/wants to collaborate and write16:20
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felipeclardman: well, it won't be duplicated work16:26
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lardmanfelipec: okay, sorry to hear that in some ways, but it will give us something else to do :)16:28
X-Fade_felipec: Do you know if it is already known that there are some issues with .wmv files. Yuv decoding artifacts, I guess? http://www.discoveryondemand.nl/broadband/broadband.jsp?site=nl&template=freeclipplay&clip_id=4116:28
alteregoCool, I think I'll buy a USB gender changer this afternoon16:29
X-Fade_felipec: It plays fine in the internal player after you click on the movie logo, but the colors are messed up. You see diagonal tearing..16:29
alteregoI didn't realise how easy it was to enable OTG host mode :)16:29
dobeyhmm16:29
dobeyhey felipec16:29
shackanmm, mi 800 is on "charging" since yesterday, should I worry?16:31
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lardmanshackan: did you leave wifi on?16:31
lardmanshackan: if so, or it automatically comes on, I wouldn't worry too much16:31
shackanlardman: the device itself is off16:32
lardmanshackan: oh, no idea then16:32
shackanstrange..16:32
lardmanshackan: try switching it on and continue charging, see if there's a bug16:32
lardmanshackan: I doubt many people charge with the device off, so if it just keeps going few would see that16:33
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shackanreally? I expected it to be the norm to wait until the battery was drained and only then charge it, without anything running, maybe I'm just too cautious16:34
shackan(if there was a way to run it on my desk directly from wall power without using the battery at all I'd be much happier, too)16:35
lardmanI wait until the "battery low" warning comes on and then charge, or if i need to use it just charge when it's on one bar16:35
GeneralAntillesYou shouldn't wait until anything.16:35
GeneralAntillesCharge it whenever you can.16:35
lardmanthe batteries are relatively cheap, just use it in a convenient way16:36
GeneralAntillesDraining it will kill the life of the battery.16:36
X-Fade_Li-ion actually likes being charged..16:36
lardmanI thought they still have a fixed # of charges16:36
shackanGeneralAntilles: oh?16:36
alteregoYeah, you shouldn't completely discharge Li ion batteries.16:36
shackancrap16:37
lardmanbut they probably don't completely discharge do they, they moan about being flat before they are damaged16:37
alteregoshackan, don't worry about it. The devices wont let the battery completely drain.16:37
felipecdobey: hey dobey :) long time no see16:37
lardmanwell before I would imagine16:37
felipecdobey: also involved in Maemo?16:37
dobeyfelipec: working on webkit16:37
alteregolardman, yes. Pretty much all systems have that logic built in :)16:37
dobeyfelipec: trying to make stuff work inside scratchbox16:37
felipecX-Fade_: is there a bug report for that?16:37
shackanI tought keeping it plugged would actually damage the battery, now I hear it's the opposite..16:38
X-Fade_felipec: Can't find one, but maybe you guys already have it in the internal bugzilla ;)16:38
X-Fade_felipec: Which I can't see..16:38
alteregoshackan, don't worry about it. You can't completey drain the battery anyway :P16:38
felipecdobey: oh that's cool, I'm glad I don't have to work so much on scratchbox 1 though16:38
lardmanX-Fade_: add it anyway, more exposure, etc.16:38
shackanalterego: so, when I'm not around, can I keep it on wall power ?16:39
alteregoSure16:39
X-Fade_Can someone confirm if they see the artifacts too?16:39
GeneralAntillesshackan, that's an issue with laptops that run really hot.16:39
dobeyfelipec: yeah, things are easier when you have infinite devices at your request :)16:39
alteregoThough, it's a bit of a waste. The device should be able to stay on for days without charging it ..16:39
GeneralAntillesNITs don't actually generate much in the way of heat.16:39
alteregoAs long as it's not doing anything.16:39
shackanaww, great16:39
dobeyfelipec: i don't think my n800 would be happy if i tried to build webkit on it though16:39
X-Fade_GeneralAntilles: Try running vagalume ;)16:40
X-Fade_GeneralAntilles: Makes it nice and warm.16:40
cosmo__li-poly's don't have any memory effect, so charge as you wish. they start losing capacity when they leave factory (even if  not used)16:40
alteregoHeh, a USB ethernet adapter that supports "wake-on-lan" that sounds like a bit of a joke to me ^_^16:40
shackanI'll use it a lot more then16:40
shackan:)16:40
GeneralAntillesJust leave it plugged in when you're at home.16:41
shackanwell, not always16:41
alteregoYeah, mine's pluggin in when I'm at home/work.16:41
shackanbut it's easier than dragging your laptop ad night to bed just to read something16:41
alteregoIt's only disconnected when I'm mobile :)16:41
lardmancosmo__: ok, thanks16:41
GeneralAntillesThen you always have it charged when you need it.16:41
alteregoYup16:41
X-Fade_OS2008 now has a nice environmental message when full. 'Please unplug charger' ;)16:41
alteregoKeepin' it topped up is a good idea.16:42
shackanX-Fade_: don't even get GeneralAntilles started on that :)16:42
X-Fade_Although, they display that _when_ your remove the charger..16:42
alteregoHah16:42
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felipecdobey: heh, I meant I prefer scratchbox 216:42
fysaanyone get evince running on os2008 yet?16:42
alteregoGeneralAntilles, did you do the test to see if displaying that banner wastes more energy than having a fully charged unit plugged in? :)16:42
inzX-Fade, it means you should disconnect the charger from the other end too16:42
GeneralAntillesHaha16:42
dobeyfelipec: scratchbox 2?16:42
GeneralAntillesProbably. :P16:42
X-Fade_inz: yeah ;)16:42
shackaninz: right16:43
X-Fade_inz: They should just make chargers that don't use power when idle..16:43
X-Fade_If they'd really care..16:43
lardmanones with a switch you mean?16:43
alteregoX-Fade_, nokia chargers do that :P16:43
GeneralAntillesMy point exactly, X-Fade_!16:43
cosmo__why don't they put power button to charger.. it's way too much effort to remove it from socket ;)16:43
X-Fade_Just add some relais..16:43
felipecdobey: yeap, very clean and easy, but I haven't tried a full Maemo SDK in there... maybe it's not ready yet for that16:43
alteregoThe standard Nokia chargers use basically no power when they're not charging the device.16:44
GeneralAntillesVote, vote, vote! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228516:44
X-Fade_alterego: I'm pretty sure they still use power..16:44
lardmanI'm off home to use dsp_dld16:44
lardmanfelipec: thanks for your help16:44
lardmanbbl16:44
alteregoX-Fade_, they do. But it's a _very_ small amount. They might aswell be off.16:44
shackanlardman: keep us posted :)16:44
inzWhy can't you unvote bugs16:44
inzboring16:44
lardmanwill do, will be back on once I get home & boot the build machine anyway16:44
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X-Fade_alterego: What is very small? A few Watts?16:45
inzAs in "please don't fix this bug"16:45
dobeyfelipec: i don't know what "scratchbox 2" is :)16:45
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alteregoX-Fade_, no, a few watts is lots.16:45
dobeyfelipec: all i see anywhere is "1.0.8 apophis r4"16:45
alteregoX-Fade_, I've forgotten the figures. Hang on I'll get my plug monitor thingy.16:45
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X-Fade_alterego: Some of them feel warm even when not in use. They must use something..16:45
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X-Fade_alterego: Although the one I got with my N95 seems to behave better..16:46
alteregoX-Fade_, rubbish. Not the switch-mode power supplies that come with the tablets.16:46
alteregoAnd most phones ..16:46
alteregoThey don't even take much juice when they're charging.16:46
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X-Fade_alterego: I have had lots of Nokia's and have lots of chargers everywhere ;)16:46
ScreamingBoy, that was nice! Swimming(well ok paddling) a couple of weeks b4 Xmas.16:46
alteregoAh :)16:47
shackanbedboi: hi16:47
bedboihi there shackan16:47
shackanbedboi: do I read correctly you're at supélec ? congrats :D16:48
bedboishackan: yep16:48
shackancool16:48
bedboii'll go back to italy on December 20th16:48
shackanI've read a lot about that place16:48
Screamingsupélec?16:49
alteregoRight, I'm ordering a USB A female to A female adapter. A USB ethernet adapter and a USB serial adapter.16:49
bedboisupelec16:49
bedboiScreaming: supelec actually16:49
alteregoOoo .. I think I'll get an IrDA adapter too.16:49
bedboishackan: about what?16:49
ScreamingOk goigle is my friend.16:49
shackanbedboi: the school16:49
Spakman_hello - how do I specify commands to run at boot?16:50
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alteregoSpakman_, create a boot script16:50
* alterego chuckles.16:50
Spakman_:)16:50
shackanbedboi: may I ask what you're doing there?16:50
bedboii'm doing research on time delay systems16:51
alteregoSpakman_, seriously, create a "custom" init.d script stick it in the /etc/init.d directory and symlink it to the appropriate rcX.d directory.16:51
alteregoProbably 'rc2.d' if you want to run commands when shutting down too a similar scheme can be employed.16:51
bedboishackan: actually it's a cross field, it's in between time-delay systems and networking16:52
felipecdobey: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox216:52
felipecdobey: it's a totally new beast16:52
alteregoNeat, a USB -> 2x PS/2 unit. That'd be cool, could plug in a keyboard _and_ a mouse.16:52
Spakman_wicked, thanks alterego16:52
alteregoI'm going crazy ordering USB devices ..16:52
shackanbedboi: cool, in a completely unrelated note, when I started using westwood congestion control at home I discovered your lab implemented it, cool stuff16:52
bedboiyep, i'm currently workin' on it16:53
dobeyfelipec: oh16:53
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bedboishackan: we hope to release a gigabit version in some time16:53
alteregoChristmas is going to be very fun this year ^_^16:54
alteregoI'm gonna be plugging my N8X0's into each other.16:54
Screamingallterego! Thats  incest.16:55
Screamings/ll/l damn the n800 vkb16:56
alteregoHeh16:56
shackanbedboi: what are france and italy like to a researcher? (compared to italy)16:56
shackans/italy/USA/16:56
infobotshackan meant: bedboi: what are france and USA like to a researcher? (compared to italy)16:56
dobeyfelipec: i just want stuff to work :)16:56
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bedboishackan: USA is more application oriented, whereas France is more theoretical oriented16:56
shackan(I know it's non of my business but I'm actually interested)16:57
shackans/non/none/ damn16:57
bedboii'm ok with both of them, being both a theoretical guy and a developer16:57
felipecdobey: depending on what stuff you are working on sb2 might be better... but I guess you should wait until it comes with the Maemo SDK... if that happens at all16:57
bedboithe bad part of france are the fu**ing strikes16:57
X-Fade_felipec: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250216:57
dobeyfelipec: i just spent so much time getting the current sbox stuff working :(16:58
shackanuh? well usually italy is far worse in that regard (maybe not right now)16:58
bedboiAH!16:58
bedboishackan: last time paris was totally stuck for 9 days16:58
melmothand it s going to be same wednesday apparently....16:59
shackanbedboi: but I doesn't happen once a month like here16:59
alteregoHmm .. If I get a decent power supply for my mini 4 port HUB. And a USB->Nokia charger connector. I can have powered USB and charger with only one wall plug.16:59
alteregoThat'd be nice.16:59
shackanalterego: powering the nokia via usb?17:00
bedboishackan: you are wrong. They announced the third strike in 2 months17:00
alteregoshackan, yeah.17:00
ScreamingAnyone know who devs XChat? It's great, shoots pidgin in the head, but I want cut and paste from the log  window.17:00
bedboialterego: italian strikes are "soft", French guys have french revolution in mind.17:00
shackanalterego: n810 only, I assume?17:00
bedboia/alterego/shackan17:00
alteregoPSU->USB hub<->N8X017:00
alteregoNo, it'll work for the N800 too.17:00
felipecX-Fade_: ew, you are right17:01
alteregoI'm looking for a USB->Nokia Power Plug17:01
shackanbedboi: mmkay, all I know is that at least once in a month I couldn't go to class unless I used the car17:01
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X-Fade_felipec: Looks like yuv decoding. Color looks scaled and n+1 or something like that ;)17:01
alteregoOooo .. A DVB USB dongle ..17:02
alteregoWatching DVB on my N800 would be neat.17:02
bedboishackan: it took like 4 hours to get from charles de gaulle to paris, so now you can figure out how strikes are bad in paris17:02
shackanouch17:02
felipecX-Fade_: indeed17:04
alteregoHah, "VoIP USB handset" ^_^17:05
alteregoImagine plugging that into a tablet: http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=49125&doy=7m1217:08
shackanhaha17:09
alterego"Acccess WiFi networks from outer-space"17:09
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alterego"Boost your tablet's wireless range to the Orion Nebulae"17:10
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KhertanGrrrr one hour to make a methode to convert macroman to utf8 in 4D !17:11
Khertanstupid language !17:11
wumpusthat's very useful for hitchhikers to the galaxy, I guess :P17:11
shackanI'm already using a wireless network 200m from here, indoors, without problems17:11
X-Fade_felipec: Change the url to 48 and see the effect in a different way..17:11
ScreamingAlterego: You might manage it if you sat in the middle of a the Arecibo radio telescope17:12
alteregoHah17:12
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alteregoNot seen one of these before: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/13502717:12
ScreamingGiven 1000 years or so for a reply17:12
Khertanbedboi > and don't mind to go to the sud of paris to the north ... 5 hours !!!17:12
Khertan3.5km17:12
bedboiKhertan: yep, so cool.17:13
Khertanif i know ... i go with my foot ...17:13
KhertanRAPT ... Rentre Avec Tes Pieds !17:13
bedboiKhertan: so prepare for 12 :)17:13
bedboiahahha17:13
alteregoOoo, 2 port USB KVM, That'd be handy for multiple tablets.17:14
Khertan(hum ... and it just a part of my travel ... i work in the south of Paris and live at the far north of it) (60km of public transport ... it s also why i ve make a python onboard editor :) )17:14
alteregoI think I'm gonna mock up a "tablet users christmas gift list" website :)17:17
alteregoOf course the N810 will be at the top ..17:17
* alterego chuckles. "Portable USB floppy drive" ^)^]17:20
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felipecX-Fade_: yeap, I can see that too, I've filled internal bug reports for those17:20
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X-Fade_felipec: Ok, thanks ;)17:21
lardmanfelipec: I see the deps for osso-dsp-loader are wrong, it wants rx-34-kernel-headers, but this doesn't exist and is probably called linux-kernel-headers17:21
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lardmanor perhaps there should be a package called rx-34-kernel-headers rather than linux-kernel-headers17:23
felipeclardman: nope, rx-34 is supposed to be internal nomenclature =/17:24
lardmanthere are some packages in there that match rx-34-*17:24
lardmanand in fact the kernel source is one of them17:25
lardmaniirc17:25
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ScreamingKertan: pardon the swim break..problem abou ksgu/python is "Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break."17:25
Screamings/ksgu/kagu/17:26
infobotScreaming meant: Kertan: pardon the swim break..problem abou kagu/python is "Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break."17:26
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felipeclardman: hmm, right, that needs to be fixed17:27
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lardmanfelipec: cool, just thought I'd let you know17:28
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lardmanhmm :) after asking for the dsp_dld source, it now dawn on me that the info I needed is in the error message anyway17:31
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lardmanhttp://maemo.pastebin.com/m369572a6 shows a "text" section exists in the module with a size of 0x2d, where might that come from?17:32
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VReIs there nice way to save/load data from python so that bash script can accept it also (VALUE="what ever")? .. traditional settings file format ..17:34
shackanlardman: you mean what's in that section? do you have the linker script?17:34
lardmanshackan: the dsp linker script? the .cmd file?17:35
kulvelardman: why do you want the source for dsp_dld?17:35
lardmankulve: I thought I wanted to add some more debugging comments to it17:36
lardmankulve: it turns out I was just misreading the debugging output it had already produced17:36
kulvehave you tried if the "upstream" version works?17:36
melmothVRE http://pastebin.com/m245f830417:36
lardmankulve: yes, wouldn't compile, but we have the oss source anyway, was named something I didn't look for17:36
KhertanScreaming > arf ... of course ... but python package are available on maemo repository ...17:37
melmothVRE you may want to get rid of lines 13 and 1417:37
lardman"section text: could not find directive. placing it to default memory (DARAM)." was the message, I read it as "this is the section text: ..." rather than "section: text: this is the message"17:37
shackanlardman: I don't know how they named it, but there usually is a script in ld(1) syntax which describes what goes where17:37
VRemelmoth: thanks17:38
lardmanshackan: The dsp is a bit funny, you link an object file into the kernel, then strip the kernel out of the object file, then it's dynamically loaded at run-time via dsp_dld17:38
lardmanstrip kernel out of the resultant object file that should read17:38
shackanwhat the.. ?17:39
lardmananyway "text" shouldn't exist, ".text" should17:39
melmothVRE you may have to add bit to hande quote in variable ,  i havent used that.17:40
shackanyes, at least usually, maybe the dsp doesn't use the same naming :)17:40
VRemelmoth: I think I'll will make quotes illegal in my input, simpler life :)17:41
shackanlardman: can you list the sections? like readelf -S ?17:41
lardmanint memmgr_placetask() in dld_memmgr.c is the function in question17:41
lardmanshackan: probably, let me have a look17:41
alteregoHmm .. What's the kernel source package name? I can't find it because I'm retarded.17:42
lardmanrx-34-something17:43
shackan(44 for the 810)17:43
alteregoOkay ..17:43
lardmanhmm, think it's still called 34 in the repo though17:44
alteregoOkay17:44
lardmanshackan: can't find any docs, here are the names: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5574190117:45
* lardman is sure he's seen some docs somewhere...17:47
alteregoHeh .. If I get a high capacity laptop battery, I could power my mini HUB, along with all peripherals, _and_ my table with the USB to Nokia charger adapter.17:47
alteregoThat would be nice.17:47
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shackanlardman: mm, I meant `readelf -S /lib/dsp/modules/ivorbisidec.o`17:47
lardmanshackan: I know, but it's not in elf format17:48
shackanah17:48
shackanobjdump -x then? :D17:48
lardmanor dis55 in my lingo17:48
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shackanah17:49
lardmangood call though17:49
dobeyhuh17:49
lardmanbadly named piece of asm17:49
lardmanmissed off the . in the section location17:49
lardmanthanks17:49
lardmanright, rebuilt again, will test after the pub :)17:52
lardmanbbl17:52
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penguinbaitits pub time :)17:53
penguinbaitGuiness for all17:53
penguinbaitNice tall draught17:53
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penguinbaitCheers!!17:54
guardiani just had a crazy idea17:55
guardianmy old P3 box died with my apache , trac and subversion servers17:56
guardiancould a tablet be used as a personal server :D17:56
guardian?17:56
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dragorntechnically yes17:57
lopzre17:58
alteregoI'd get a USB IDE cable though ..17:58
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alteregoThat way you can have nice storage and you don't cane the flash.17:58
guardianyep17:59
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zoranor some linksys nas?18:00
Vulc|BlehDoes anyone know if midnight commander has been ported to 2008 yet?18:06
GeneralAntillesThe bore version should work fine.18:07
GeneralAntilles*Bora18:07
Vulc|BlehHmm.  Do you know where I'd find that? I was looking, though I'm probably braindead from not sleeping well.18:07
shackanargh, maemo-statusbar-usbnet was removed from 4.018:07
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?dir=&file=mc_4.6.1-2_armel.deb18:08
Vulc|BlehThanks18:09
KhertanOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !!! Still not yet python binding for hildon-desktop ...... snif18:10
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GeneralAntillesYour google-fu is weak, young Padawan learner. :)18:12
Vulc|BlehHeh, yeah.18:12
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KhertanGeneralAntilles ?18:13
Vulc|Blehhe was talking to me18:13
Vulc|Blehpretty sure.18:13
alteregoKhertan, migrate to Ruby-maemo :P18:13
alteregoLike I said the other day ..18:14
Khertanalterego> grrrr18:14
Khertan:)18:14
KhertanVulc|Bleh > i want to believe ....18:14
Vulc|BlehDo you now.  Athiesm has more perks.18:14
zoranalterego, python is must_have18:14
alteregopython doesn't have the ability to make desktop applets yet ..18:14
Khertanalterego > can we execute python in ruby ?18:15
alteregoEven though it's been in the SVN for months18:15
zoranwho needs desktop apps?  :)18:15
Khertanalterego> ruby hasn't the ability to execute python code :)18:15
Khertanzoran> i don't need the app, i need the binding to create it :)18:15
alteregoKhertan, that's a feature python code isn't as good as ruby code ..18:15
Vulc|BlehMeh, Quetoo needs to be ported to 2008 soon.18:15
Khertan:)18:15
zoranah, python moves space crafts18:16
ScreamingKhertan: Yep "remote end closed connection" on every python related dowwload. Gonna give up on application manager and wget  everything myself18:16
Khertanalterego > i know it s in the svn ... but i don't have the ability to compile it ... i get many errors anywhere18:16
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KhertanScreaming > strange .. i haven't this problem18:17
alteregoKhertan, bug the pymaemo developer/s18:17
alteregoIt's really dumb it hasn't been incorporated into the package yet ..18:18
bedboiso now n810 is in a lot of nokia shops (usa, spain, france), btw the discount codes do not work yet... any eta on this?18:18
ScreamingBummer. Time for yet another reflash:-(. alerego: time for the Ruby python module"18:19
zoranencrypted and hidden?18:19
alteregoI wouldn't use python on the device. Why would I want to add support for it?18:20
Khertanalterego > it s not developped by pymaemo developers ... but by lucasr ... from nokia ...18:20
* alterego continues shopping for tablet accessories.18:20
alteregoKhertan, that's no excuse ..18:20
alteregoIt's up to the pymaemo developers, so bug them if you want a feature.18:21
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Khertanalterego > yes, but i don't like to boring open source developpers which create software for free ... :)18:21
zoran???18:22
GeneralAntillesWhy a reflas, Screaming?18:22
KhertanSorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break.18:22
GeneralAntilless/reflas/reflash18:22
Khertangrrr18:22
alteregoKhertan, then you'll likely never get your pymaemo software improved.18:22
Khertantwo minutes before ... this bug tracker working ....:(18:23
Khertanalterego > yes i know18:23
ScreamingGA I reckon I've probably hacked this one to death. No problem: I gotta copy on MMC.18:23
alteregoKhertan, well stop complaining about it if you're not prepared to do anything to improve your situation ..18:24
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Khertanalterego> in fact i ve post a mail on the mailing list ... and i ve contacted directly lucasr ...18:24
alteregoWhy would lucas help?18:25
Khertanwho said that it ll be available this week ... it s why i m waiting18:25
alteregoHe's not pymaemo ..18:25
Khertanalterego> no but it's the developpers of this binding ...18:25
alterego-_-18:25
Khertanbut yes once the tracker will be available again ... i ll post a report18:25
alteregoI can't find the kernel source.18:26
Khertans/it/he18:26
alteregoIt doesn't appear to be anywhere in apt-cache O_O18:26
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Khertanalterego > does the binding for ruby are simple ?18:28
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alteregoKhertan, extremely.18:29
Khertanmaybe i should do it myself :)18:29
alteregoOr you could compile the one that's already available ..18:29
Khertanalterego > i ve tryed :)18:30
Khertanbut unsuccesfull18:30
alteregoOh, well that's a shame. Why don't you try harder :P18:30
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Khertanbecause its a compile error18:31
Khertanand don't understand why....18:31
zoranerror messaage?18:31
Khertanit s related to a bug with qemu ...if i understand18:31
zoranah!18:31
alteregoOh, it uses python to compile it.18:32
alteregoI posted a fix for that on the mailing list.18:32
Khertanit s a stupid makefile ... !18:32
Khertani hate auto*18:32
alteregoOr you could use the eabi qemu package ..18:32
Khertanyes once i ve understand how to install it...18:35
Khertanand once i ve found how i can resolv my dns problem under the sdk vmware or how to install xephyr on the last ubuntu distribution18:36
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Khertanlast commit on 2007-08-22 .... seems a bit abandonned18:37
X-Fade_Hmm nice. I am now using my N95 as BT GPS for my N800 with Maemo Mapper ;)18:37
Khertanthere is more file for compilation than for the module ... lol18:39
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L0cutusanyone have ported 'pan' newsgroup reader to os2008 ?18:40
felipec_alterego: is the kernel source supposed to be there? this probably should be on the public omap tree18:40
alteregofelipec_, yes. I've found it now.18:41
alteregokernel-source-rx-3418:41
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felipec_alterego: hm, I don't have it in my Chinook =/18:42
alteregoCheck your apt/sources.list file ..18:43
alteregoThere's a kernel compilation how to on the maemo website.18:43
Khertanbye ...18:46
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JaffaMorning, all18:58
L0cutusciao Jaffa (18.00 here ;)18:59
Jaffa16:58 here, was using UGT ;-)19:00
L0cutushehe19:00
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* alterego wonders how much storage he's gonna need to install emacs.19:30
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zoranhah, more than 20 Mb19:32
alteregoI meant compile actually ..19:32
alteregoI've got 400M left on my /scratchbox partition O_O19:33
zoranreally need that?19:33
alteregoI don't know :P19:33
alteregoI couldn't compile microb ..19:33
zoranvi is fine for most people19:33
alteregovi sucks.19:33
zoranhm!19:33
alteregoI'd rather use nano ..19:34
Fatalvi <3 <319:34
Fatalfigures19:34
zoranR.Stallman would like alterego19:34
alteregoR.Stallman worships me :P19:35
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zoransomeone saw user manual for e51? none on nokia site19:35
alteregoHe loves me and my rubyz19:35
zoranah, RS is in no relationship with love or hate19:35
zoranhe uses some argentinian distro and probably no graphics19:36
alteregoI'm gonna go late night accessory shopping.19:36
alteregoThis is my shopping list: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/christmas_list.html19:36
zoranwoodoo candle for n810?19:36
alteregoOABI compat?19:38
alteregoInteresting ..19:38
alteregoHmm .. No MISC binary support either .. That's un expected.19:39
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inzI wonder whose WLAN I am using...19:42
alteregoMine, get off :P19:43
inzUnlikely19:45
inzOh well, the network I intended to use worked after all19:45
inzI probably just misspelled the WPA key19:45
alteregoI'm glad I get cheap cell access. Gonna make the trip this weekend more fun.19:46
inzI think I could get mobile intternets for 9,99 e/month, but it would about triple my phone bill...19:46
alteregoI just pay for a day of use.19:47
alterego£1 per day19:47
alteregoGives me up to 25M19:47
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GeneralAntillesWhat happens if you go over, alterego?19:51
inz$$$?19:52
inzOr, £££ in this case19:52
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alteregoGeneralAntilles, it's pretty expensive, though not as bad as normal/19:55
alteregoUnfortunately it's not HSCDA19:56
alteregoOnly GPRS/EDGE19:56
GeneralAntillesHehe19:57
GeneralAntillesThe key to using EDGE is to browse and do something else.19:57
GeneralAntillesStart loading a website19:57
GeneralAntillesthen read a book for a little bit.19:57
hugolpalterego:  thats the best mobile internet you can get in England?19:57
alteregoReally? Why's that?19:57
GeneralAntillesGo back when the website's done.19:57
alteregoOh, hah19:57
alteregoI thought you meant do something else that'll use the connection ;)19:58
hugolpin Spain we get 3G for 1'6 euros day (no limit)19:58
alteregohugolp, not really, but the UK data plans are pretty crap and that's a quite good deal seeing as I'm PAYG19:58
hugolpunfortunatelly the company offering that is young and only has 3G in big cities, the rest is GPRS19:58
hugolpbut it should get better19:59
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hugolpI asumed that would be normal in England, as we allways get the good things years later19:59
alteregoNeah, mobile internet isn't really that big out of 3G20:00
* lardman has never considered using the internet over his mobile because it's too bloody expensive20:01
alteregolardman, those were my sentiments too. Until I found out about this cheap £1 for a day thing :)20:01
* GeneralAntilles whistles quietly with his $20/mo unlimited 3G connection.20:02
hugolplardman:  1.6 euros day its almos what a phoneline broadband conection costs in Spain20:02
alteregoYeah, I can get that for ~£16 p/m20:02
hugolpGeneralAntilles:  where are you from?20:02
alteregoBut I pay that for broadband already ..20:02
GeneralAntillesFlorida, USA. :)20:02
hugolpbah...20:02
hugolpXD20:02
GeneralAntillesActually, that should be: 8)20:02
alteregoI heard data plans in American were bad ..20:03
GeneralAntillesOr are these sunglasses? B)20:03
alteregoThat's pretty good.20:03
hugolpIve read some things about Japan that make me feel ashame20:03
GeneralAntillesMeh, Japan has outrageous population density.20:03
GeneralAntillesThe government is pouring cash into the tech industry, too.20:03
GeneralAntillesIt's not as fluffy and wonderful as it sounds20:04
GeneralAntillesand certainly isn't sustainable (from an economic, not environmental point of view).20:04
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lardmanI guess it depends how much you pay for your phone line rental (assuming you pay monthly like I do), for expensive plans (e.g. >£30) you tend to get more Mb of downloads20:05
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GeneralAntillesI've got a shared family plan with the folks.20:05
alteregoHmm .. why use a USB->RS232 dongle if the tablets already have an RS232 port ..20:05
GeneralAntilles$50/mo or so for a pool of 500 shared rollover minutes.20:05
alteregoWell, serial port ..20:05
GeneralAntillesthen $5 per additional line20:06
hugolplardman:  taxes inclued I pay in my house about 35 euros for the broadband and 15 euros for the line rental20:06
lardmanGeneralAntilles: that works out ok20:06
GeneralAntillesBecause it's easier to find and buy one of those than manufacturing a custom connector?20:06
alteregoYeah .. You're right there ;)20:06
lardmanhugolp: for broadband + line rental I pay ~£21/month20:06
hugolp21 pounds is like 30 pounds...20:07
hugolp30 eruos*20:07
alteregoHah20:07
hugolpSpain is expensive20:07
hugolpin technology20:07
alteregoI was gonna say. You're loop back exchange rate is a bit high ;)20:07
GeneralAntillesI've got an OBD-II reader hooked up to a bluetooth module for car diagnosis with my N800. :D20:07
lardmanI've got a decent deal as I'm near a loop unbundled exchange20:07
lardmanotehrwise I'd pay an extra £1020:07
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I was thinking of getting one of those, how much was the OBD2-BT thingy?20:08
GeneralAntilles$130USD all told.20:09
lardmannot bad20:09
lardmanbut here, it would probably be £13020:09
alteregoI don't really understand those things.20:09
alteregoAnd I don't drive ;)20:09
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lardmanIt sits there and listens on the On Board Diagnostics port, listens to ECU messages20:09
GeneralAntillesThe computer will throw flags when there's something wrong.20:10
GeneralAntillesYou can read those flags with an OBD-II reader20:10
GeneralAntillesUse CarMan plus the bluetooth module20:10
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GeneralAntilleslook up the codes on the internet.20:10
lardmandata are continually sent down the bus, including things like engine speed, throttle pos, and error codes20:11
alteregoIs there something wrong with your dashboard?20:11
GeneralAntilles...20:11
lardmanwould have made some of my PhD work easier - to record the data and analyse the manoeuvres later20:11
GeneralAntillesYou get info from the O2 sensors and such, too.20:11
GeneralAntillesalterego, my dashboard has about a dozen lights20:11
GeneralAntillesmaybe 5 of them are sometimes useful20:12
alteregoInteresting20:12
lardmanotherwise, if you want vehicle data you need to instrument the car yourself20:12
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GeneralAntillesand the rest of the flags get thrown into the generic "check engine" light.20:12
GeneralAntillesSo, if an O2 sensor fails20:12
GeneralAntillesthen the "check engine" light comes on.20:12
GeneralAntillesWhich doesn't tell me anything20:12
GeneralAntillesWith the OBD-II scanner, I can read the flags and see that there's something amiss with the O2 sensor (and which one, as there are often several).20:13
GeneralAntillesSaves me a trip to the mechanic. :)20:13
lardmancan you write to the obd bus? override the throttle position for example?20:14
GeneralAntillesNot with Carman20:14
GeneralAntillesDoubtful with anything else.20:14
lardmanthat would be useful, otherwise you need an ecu replacement20:15
lardmanfrom a university testing perspective at least20:15
GeneralAntillesI don't have the cash for tuning of any sort. :P20:16
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lardmanGeneralAntilles: ah no, not tuning, research20:16
GeneralAntillesYeah, I know.20:16
GeneralAntillesBut I don't have any reason to be doing research, either.20:17
lardmanlol20:17
lardmannor do I anymore20:17
lardmanwell the vorbis dsp task runs, and complains that the ogg file I'm sending it is "Input does not appear to be an Ogg bitstream."20:17
alteregoInteresting the kernel already has USB ethernet support :)20:17
lardmanthey compiled in a number of useful modules (from looking at the initial dmesg output)20:18
alteregoNot USB_SERIAL ..20:19
lardmana finite number ;)20:19
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lardmanI'd like to use the address of a structure which is declared globally in one file like so: struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec =20:27
lardman{20:27
lardmanblah }20:27
lardmanbut even if I do: extern struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec; I'm getting bus errors20:28
lardmanIs this expected, or just a curiosity of the DSP?20:28
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bedboialterego: using fuse?20:33
alteregoNo, CRYPTOLOOP20:33
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alteregoI'm doing fuse too ..20:33
shackanalterego: how do I enable it tough?20:34
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alteregoYou compile the module like me :P20:34
alteregoOr wait for me to release a package.20:34
alteregoI want to integrate with the system properly. So it prompts for a password when mounting the device and it shows up in the file manager properly.20:35
alteregoBut we'll see.20:35
shackanalterego: sorry, I mean the usb networking20:36
alteregoOh, you need to first enable usb host mode, then buy a USB->Ethernet adapter.20:36
alteregoOther than that I don't know. As I've not got a USB ethernet adapter yet.20:37
shackanuh? can't use the usb cable as is?20:37
alteregoHow would you plug it into an ethernet port?20:37
alteregoO_O20:37
alteregoIf you're talking about the USB networking mode .. Then that's in there too.20:37
shackanI don't want to, I've got plenty of usb ports (and my only ethernet is taken)20:37
alteregosearch for g_ether shackan20:38
alteregoThe apropriate modules are already installed by default in OS2008. So it's just a matter of setting it up and configuring it.20:38
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alteregoYou don't need to be in host mode either I don't think.20:38
shackanalright, I hoped there was a panel applet to do that, silly me20:39
alteregoWell, I plan on writing one if that's of any help ;)20:39
shackantotally :)20:40
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shackanouch, it's fugly to set up20:44
Vulc|BlehDoes anyone know if mplayer works on 2008 yet?20:52
alteregoIt's in the repository.20:52
Vulc|BlehDid not see it, do you know which repo?20:52
alteregoThe repository.20:53
alteregoI don't know.20:53
alteregoIt's in one of them.20:53
lardmankulve: when you were suffering from poll errors, did they produce bus errors in your arm-side code?20:53
lardmanVulc|Bleh: yes it does20:53
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kulvelardman: iirc, no20:55
lardmankulve: I see a poll error message then I get a bus error20:55
lardmankulve: anyway, perhaps they're not related20:55
kulvedid you tried poll disabling?20:58
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lardmankulve: The error occurs before hand, it appears that my code doesn't correctly kill itself it this happens20:59
kulvepoll_disable(task)20:59
kulveok20:59
lardmankulve: yeah, I should really sort it out so it returns rather than waiting to be killed20:59
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K`zanWonder if the n800 will drive a usb->serial converter?  Anyone know?21:12
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K`zanWould be nice for some ham radio apps :-)21:13
alteregoK`zan, it should do yes.21:13
alteregoOne of the indt guys I believe has had luck without having to use an external power supply.21:14
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JZAhi anyone can help me out solving a problem with ncurses21:15
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JZAI am trying to install a different ncurses-bin21:15
JZAI got the following output21:15
JZAhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/25803921:15
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JZAanyone here?21:20
lardmancan you force the install somehow?21:20
JZAlardman: well if you see the output I got a problem with a program called clear21:21
lardmankulve: do you know how to return an error to the arm-side from the dsp via the ioctls?21:21
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JZAI am not sure what clear is or where does it depends on it21:21
lardmanis there a --force switch (or similar) for dpkg?21:21
JZAlardman: I guess21:21
JZAunfortunately I dont use debian and maemo doesn't has a man21:21
JZAbut google help21:21
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JZAitseems is --force-XXX21:23
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K`zanalterego: Thanks, that is exciting, now to find adapers for mini-usb-> regular.  May have to make them...21:23
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ScreamingCool, the backup/restore apps thingy on 2008 seems to make life almost easy.21:25
lardmandpkg install --force-overwrite blah.deb21:25
lardmanor first of all: dpkg install --force blah.deb21:26
lardmanJZA: that's what I'd try anyway21:26
JZAlardman: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/25805621:27
JZAsame problem21:27
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alteregoK`zan, I'm just buying an A-female to A-female adapter.21:29
alteregoThey're about £521:29
lardmanI wonder why you get: "#21:29
lardmanmv: cannot rename '/usr/bin/clear': No such file or directory21:29
lardmanoop21:29
lardmancopy and paste errors ;)21:29
lardmanbut then also get:  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/clear', which is also in package busybox21:30
lardmanJZA: I don;t know, sorry. Debian packaging isn't really my forte21:30
JZAwell the problem really is here21:30
JZAcatching the return21:31
JZAis there a log for dpkg21:31
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JZAlardman: it says: post-removal script returned error exit status 221:31
geoffegAny information on embedded the mozilla rendering engine in my own application?21:31
JZAis there a way of knowing more info about why it failed21:31
lardmanthere may be a -V switch to make it more verbose, I don't know though21:32
lardmansupper time21:32
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geoffegstop, supper time21:32
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alteregogeoffeg, look into gtkmozembed21:37
geoffegwill do21:37
geoffegalterego: i was mostly wondering if the moz engine on the device had the required includes and such to be extensible21:38
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alteregoIt has the library.21:39
alteregoBut you need to compile the dev package.21:39
alteregoAs it's not in the maemo repository.21:40
geoffegso do i need to build the dev packages manually?21:41
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geoffegi'm really trying to figure out how i want to do this.. I want to build a better RSS reader.. In some ways I think it'd be very simple to create a web-based RSS reader that uses perl and a simple perl web server on the device. The nokia tablets already have perl and it wouldn't take much perl to make a good RSS reader..21:42
geoffegI've already got liferea and frothing compiled and mostly working but they use gtkhtml..21:42
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alteregoThere is no Perl Gtk/Hildon library for maemo.21:44
geoffegright, but i wouldn't need it.. the interface to the RSS reader would be the web browser.21:44
geoffegand since most of RSS is viewing HTML.. why not use the web browser?21:45
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alteregoSo why would you need to embed gtk into an app?21:45
alteregoYou're not doing that at all ..21:45
geoffegalterego: well that's what i'm trying to figure out.. do i go with the perl/web browser approach or do i get liferea working better?21:45
geoffegthe liferea port to maemo needs some interface changes, integration with mozilla, etc21:46
* alterego contemplates getting a 160G 2.5" USB drive.21:47
alteregoI could take all my work around with me and use it in whatever machine I happen to be infront of ..21:48
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alteregoIt'd be neat.21:48
geoffegalterego: i've got a 40GB 2.5 USB drive, quite handy for bigger files21:48
geoffegI use it with my laptop.. all my games are on it21:48
alteregoCool.21:48
alteregoHave you used it with the tablet?21:49
geoffegalterego: no, i haven't done any of the work required to power a USB device off the tablet21:49
geoffegalterego: i've got an 8GB SD card  in my n800, still haven't come close to filling it up21:49
alteregoI guess you don't have much music on there.21:50
geoffegalterego: nope, got my ipod21:50
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GeneralAntillesHehe21:51
alteregoBloody iCrap :P21:51
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GeneralAntillesI want my 128GB SD cards.21:51
geoffegalterego: it works fine for me.. and the n800 has some sound issues when i use it in my car21:51
alteregopfft21:52
GeneralAntillesSeriously, alterego. It's just an MP3 player. ;)21:52
alteregoDamn expensive MP3 player that's prone to breaking and the only reason it's sold so well is because people are fashion following freaks :P21:53
geoffegalterego: my ipod has never broken or had a problem..21:53
geoffegbut yes, i'm fashionable, i bought the black one21:53
geoffegI'M SO COOL!21:53
K`zanalterego: That, for some reason, makes sense :).21:53
alteregoAnd don't get me started on the locked down interface and craptunes ..21:53
GeneralAntillesYeah, neither have the 6 my family has had since the original 10GB.21:53
geoffegGeneralAntilles: the original was 5GB :)21:54
alteregoHmm .. I new I should have bought that 6300 yesterday.21:54
alteregoI could be playing with it right now :(21:55
GeneralAntillesThe original-10GB21:55
geoffegalterego: i want an n95 :)21:55
GeneralAntillesNot the original iPod, but the first 10GB model.21:55
Vulc|BlehI did not buy my ipod to be cool, or for fasion, etc.  I bought it because it actually worked, unlike my Zen Vision.21:55
alteregogeoffeg, I'm suprised you don't want an iCrap/Phone21:55
Vulc|BlehiPoo'd.21:56
geoffegalterego: d00d! :)21:56
alteregoExcuse you Vulc|Bleh :P21:56
rip__there is #iphone21:56
rip__:P21:56
rip__to chat about how awesome they are21:56
rip__:P21:56
kulvelardman|food: by returnin non-zero? I.e. MBCMD_EID_*?21:56
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lardmankulve: yes, or by calling cmderr()21:58
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GeneralAntillesPersonally, I think Apple will end up doing a lot of good to spur the competition in the cellular market.21:58
kulvelardman: hmm.. ok.21:59
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lardmanwhat I really need is a way for my vorbis thread, if there's an error, to close the task down22:00
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ScreamingThnx for advice re: python/kagu. Clearly it was my hackery cos they both came in fine. Someone ought to fix the fact you have to install gzip from Maemo Chinook to get python. And the fact you gotta the install python-cairo to get kagu. Its not newbie-obvious I guess.22:00
lardmaneither by returning some value to the arm-side that lets it know to close the device, or by calling some function to close the task, and then the arm-side will cause an error trying to write/read from the device file22:00
GeneralAntillesbz2 you mean, right, Screaming?22:01
ScreamingGA: Sorry, quite right - bzip222:01
GeneralAntillesand it's from Bora, extras, no?22:02
GeneralAntillesEverything should go 100% if you have both Chinook and Bora extras.22:03
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kulvelardman: Want to try again installing the ogg-support 0.4?22:12
kulvelardman: same url, hopefully nothing caches it on your end..22:12
lardmankulve: let me see if I have the url in my n800 - I've moved location22:13
lardmaninstalling now22:13
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kulvethx22:14
lardmanthe moment of truth.....22:14
lardmanworks :)22:15
kulveGreat22:15
kulvebut no id3/whatever metainfo on the oggs?22:15
lardmanno icon in the filemanager tho22:15
kulveoh?22:15
kulveah, yes22:16
kulveno icon22:16
lardmanno, just name & duration22:16
kulvethose just need to be renamed22:16
kulveit does know how to get the meta info too..22:16
kulveit just don't even try now22:16
lardmanit may be that my clips have no data22:17
lardmanthey are just test samples for the dsp task22:17
kulveno, I don't see them either atm22:17
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lardmanyou should add an icon though, makes it easier to see the file22:18
lardmans22:18
kulvesurew22:18
kulve-w22:18
lardmanwell done though :)22:18
kulvethe icon just need to be named in the same way as the mime type and now it doesn't22:18
lardmanwhy were you using libvorbisdec rather than libivorbisidec?22:18
lardmani.e. fp vs fixed point22:19
ScreamingGeneralAntilles: The bzip2 one should go ok if you have the repos. The python-cairo may well be a missing dependency in the .deb cos I had to install it manually to get kagu going.22:19
kulveI though to include them both without thinking that the device could choose the wrong one..22:19
kulveand ofc it does..22:19
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kulvethe reason was that I though that if somebody has a hardcoded pipeline using the fp version it would work too..22:20
lardmantremor is faster for vfp or non-vfp enabled machines, little point in using the floating point code22:20
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kulvesure22:20
lardmanah, I see22:20
kulvejmspeex: btw: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/05/13/ogg-support-02-speex/22:21
kulvejmspeex: I made some "benchmarking" when I added the speex, but those can be wrong too..22:21
alteregoI wonder how easy it would be to get DVB on my tablet.22:24
alteregoI think I'll buy a USB DVB dongle tomorrow and see.22:24
shackanthat would rock22:24
shackanhow much are they?22:24
kulvealterego: what about scaling the video? Don't it take too much cpu power?22:25
alteregoAbout 40 USD me thinks.22:25
lardmanhave a look at the openzaurus/angstrom lot22:25
alteregokulve, no idea. I'll have to do some tests.22:25
lardmanwww.zaurususergroup.com22:25
shackanmmm, and even less in €22:25
alteregoIt's just an mpeg stream ..22:25
kulvealterego: yes, with so high bitrate that the tablet will choke on it22:25
alteregopfft22:26
alteregoWEll see22:26
kulveyou can try the same by loading the stream from a file..22:26
lardmane.g. http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18349&hl=dvb22:27
lardmanhmm, I thought someone had got one to work22:30
lardmanI'll ask CoreDump at some point over the weekend22:31
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alteregoCool22:32
shackanI tried a dvb stick from a former housemate of mine once, worked fine in kaffeine (which apparently was the only program which could tune to different channels)22:32
shackanI needed to download a piece of firmware tough22:32
alteregoWell, I'm gonna get one regardless.22:33
alteregoJust hope it's supported by Linux.22:33
shackan(of course that's on a laptop, tablets didn't exists at the time)22:33
alteregoLucky I own an internet tablet. I Can check when I'm in the store ;)22:33
alteregoIf it doesn't work with the tablet. It doesn't matter. I'll just use it with meh laptop.22:33
shackanuhm, how will you attach it?22:34
alteregoI'll plug it into my mini powered hub22:34
shackanoh22:34
alteregoI'm presuming it needs power. If not I'll just plug it directly in.22:34
shackanso you made/bought a cable? the default one is male on the "big" end22:35
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alteregoNo, I made and bought a female to female adapter22:36
alteregoA custom cable would be pointless.22:36
shackanI see22:36
alteregoThis way I just need one cable for all USB stuff22:36
alteregoWell, tomorrow I'm gonna buy a USB charger, USB to 10/100/1000 ethernet adapter and a DVB USB stick.22:39
alteregoThat'll keep me occupied for a while.22:39
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GeneralAntillesDVB on the tablets?22:41
GeneralAntillesThat seems highly unlikely to work.22:41
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alterego"In early 2000, we were approached by Nokia with a proposal for a new standard Linux DVB API" .. What a coincidence ^_^22:47
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GeneralAntillesWhat format is DVB?22:49
alteregoMPEG222:49
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GeneralAntillesand you plan to decode that on a tablet?22:51
alteregoI expect mplayer to22:52
GeneralAntillesWhat sort of bitrates are you talking about?22:52
alteregoI don't know, I'm reading up on it now22:53
alteregoI want one for my laptop anyhow. Playing around with it on the tablet is just a gimic :P22:54
alteregoDepending on it's performance, I might continue it and create a maemo-tv project.22:54
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=105771#post10577122:55
GeneralAntillesCheapy for any Canadians22:55
alterego+22:56
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lardman|afkalterego: You should be able to find a list of compatible chipsets, also from reading, some seem to not output mpeg2 but need to be encoded by the softeare on the PC23:01
alteregoYes, I know.23:02
alteregoThat's why I said it's handy having a tablet. I can just go to the shop tomorrow, and if I find a good one check it up on the net whilst in the shop ..23:03
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GeneralAntillesI love doing that when shopping for movies or games.23:12
GeneralAntillesSee something interesting, just pull up the amazon review.23:12
alterego:)23:14
alteregoYup23:14
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GeneralAntillesLove it at the grocery store, too.23:16
GeneralAntilles"I want to make meatloaf tonight"23:16
GeneralAntillesPull up a recipe listing off google.23:16
alteregoYeah, I like doing that too.23:17
alteregoI made a really nice thai curry the other week. All thanks to the tablet.23:17
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lopzre23:18
alteregoJust walking around the super market and thought, hmm .. I fancy making a thai curry. So I got out my N800 and found a nice recipe and got the ingredients :)23:18
shackanalterego: unfortunately most of us just use the tablets as bulky media players most of the time23:18
alteregoI was listening to Radiohead at the same time if that's what you mean ;)23:19
GeneralAntillesHa23:19
GeneralAntillesMy N800 almost makes air travel fun!23:19
alteregoThey are genius devices ..23:19
sikahakkiI notice that os2007 got quite old kernel, is there more recent images 2.6.20 -> ? or can user compile own kernel?23:20
GeneralAntillesThe seat and the tray table seem to combine into the least comfortable position for me, though.23:20
alteregoNow, if I can find a cheap USB charger for my N800, I can use the powered mini hub and charge my tablet at the same time ..23:20
GeneralAntillesSet my N800 down on the tray and I have shooting neck pain within 30 minutes.23:20
alteregoAll through one wall plug/car plug23:20
alteregoJeez.23:21
shackanalterego: what I mean is that we're not blessed with everywhere connectivity23:21
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alteregoI wouldn't say most shackan, you're probably one of the only ones :P23:22
shackanmmm23:23
celestehi got a very cheap mini-usb->nokia adaptor.  I can stick it on the end of a miniusb cable23:23
GeneralAntillesI am, shackan. :)23:23
celestehi don't even have a charger for my n800 that works in my current country23:23
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geoffegWasn't that fun!23:51
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GeneralAntillesLet's do it again!23:52
ds3anyone think more price drops are expected for the N800?23:52
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geoffegi wouldn't think so, the thing is already pretty cheap23:53
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GeneralAntillesYeah, ds3, highly unlikely.23:55
GeneralAntillesEspecially when you consider the 770's price trends.23:55
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ds3guess it is time to strike... running out of memory on the 770 is getting old ;)23:57
GeneralAntillesds3, you have no idea how much better the N800 is than the 770.23:58
ds3GeneralAntilles: 2 things that immediately would be good for me - real SD slots, more memory; the Google ad crap is a big minus though... anything I miss? (I know about the faster CPU, radio and camera)23:59
alteregoHmm, everytime ruby raises an exception it crashes hildon desktop ^_^23:59
alteregoI'm gonna have to fix that me thinks ..23:59
glass_hehe23:59
glass_well it would force devs to catch exceptions no?-)23:59
alteregoMaybe make it pop up a dialog with the exception details in it. That would be useful.23:59
glass_not too friendly tho23:59

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