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| sp3000 | timeless: so yeah, I have a bookmark for starting the browser now | 00:23 |
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| sp3000 | it starts with about and ends with false :) | 00:23 |
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| halley | sp3000, and what's in the middle? | 00:33 |
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| Segnale007 | hi guys | 00:35 |
| Segnale007 | I have a question | 00:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stupid, bitch ITT. | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | *+y | 00:35 |
| Segnale007 | Can I install xfce on my n800 with running os2008 ? | 00:35 |
| Segnale007 | because, I have some problem when I trying to install it | 00:36 |
| Segnale007 | problem about kernel I guess .. | 00:36 |
| Segnale007 | hi GeneralAntilles | 00:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | xfce is out of my expertise. :) | 00:37 |
| dragorn | xfce the window manager? I think you have to build a custom fw to get something like that going | 00:37 |
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| dragorn | but it's plausible that I'm incorrect | 00:38 |
| Segnale007 | uhm | 00:38 |
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| Segnale007 | I don't know | 00:38 |
| dragorn | I haven't seen any WM replacement stuff as packages on top of the maemo builds | 00:38 |
| Segnale007 | I wanna install it or kde | 00:38 |
| Segnale007 | yah .. it's true | 00:39 |
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| Segnale007 | have u tried to install some wm on ur tablet pc ? | 00:39 |
| Segnale007 | sorry my lang so poor :( | 00:40 |
| fysa | XFCE 'pack' is posted to the forums | 00:40 |
| Segnale007 | I know | 00:40 |
| Segnale007 | just tired to install it | 00:40 |
| Segnale007 | but, I have got some error | 00:40 |
| Segnale007 | *errors | 00:40 |
| Segnale007 | about mount loop | 00:40 |
| Segnale007 | someone bitch .. I have lose the logs | 00:41 |
| Segnale007 | :/ | 00:41 |
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| Segnale007 | after I will paste this | 00:41 |
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| fadec | does anyone have experience running scratchbox on a non-debian based OS? Trying to build on archlinux. | 00:46 |
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| Segnale007 | arch is a nice distro | 00:47 |
| Segnale007 | more better debian based | 00:47 |
| Segnale007 | I wanna try it on my n800 | 00:47 |
| Segnale007 | somebody do this .. | 00:47 |
| Segnale007 | gh | 00:47 |
| dragorn | fadec: my experiences in the past were negative | 00:48 |
| dragorn | fadec: to the point that I just threw vmware server on a big box and ran sb on ubuntu in a vm | 00:49 |
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| fadec | hmm - vmware is a possibility | 00:49 |
| dragorn | also, I'm a paranoid SOB and didn't really want sb weirdness bindmounting all over my system | 00:50 |
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| fadec | I've changed a few things in the build script for scratchbox to try and make it work but I wonder if it's going to be futile. | 00:50 |
| dragorn | not that their methods aren't neat, I'm just happier with it locked in it's own vm :) | 00:50 |
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| fadec | it's a good idea to lock it away - I had it on ubuntu before and I didn't really know what it was doing to my system. Still - everything appeared to be in the /scratchbox dir. | 00:51 |
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| dragorn | it is, for the most part, I'm just over-paranoid. | 00:51 |
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| dragorn | and it didn't work for me under gentoo w/in my time limit for being willing to mess around anyhow | 00:52 |
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| fadec | I find it strange they limit it to debian but then I don't know much about it. Thanks for the VM idea. Nice chatting. | 00:53 |
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| hozano | Hi folks. Can somebody help me about python-evas ? | 01:06 |
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| Mikho | why does it seem learning autotools is the most difficult and confusing programming subject I've encountered so far | 01:16 |
| Segnale007 | guys | 01:17 |
| elb | because autotools are not so much a coherent programming experience, as an ad-hoc pile of macros that work Just Well Enough | 01:17 |
| Segnale007 | when I try to install xfce | 01:17 |
| Segnale007 | I get this errors | 01:17 |
| Segnale007 | mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /usr/local failed | 01:17 |
| Segnale007 | MOUNTING FAILED, UH OH, SOMETHINGS WRONG | 01:17 |
| Segnale007 | Press Enter | 01:17 |
| Segnale007 | ./mmc2menu.sh: line 57: clear: not found | 01:17 |
| wumpus | Mikho: agreed | 01:17 |
| Mikho | elb, I think you're right | 01:17 |
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| Segnale007 | what wrong ? | 01:18 |
| * celesteh hunts the wumpus | 01:18 | |
| wumpus | it's a lot of work especially if you need special things, like a compiler that is not automatically supported by automake, or a library that doesn't have it's own m4 macros, etc.. | 01:18 |
| wumpus | but even the base autotools is a nightmare :) | 01:18 |
| wumpus | lol celesteh | 01:18 |
| Segnale007 | anybody have some idea ? | 01:19 |
| Segnale007 | I just use os2008 | 01:19 |
| Segnale007 | maybe the problem is it ? | 01:19 |
| Segnale007 | or me ? lol | 01:20 |
| Mikho | I wanted to use 3rd party software, with ready written basic Makefiles without autotools. Included the directories with SUBDIRS command, which worked well enough until I tried to create a debian package of the whole thing. Complained something about can't make target distdir or sth | 01:20 |
| celesteh | wumpus: http://david.jensenius.org/?p=16 | 01:21 |
| Mikho | after half an hour of googling resolved the problem by using nodist_SUBDIRS instead of SUBDIRS | 01:21 |
| Mikho | I wonder how many specifically recognized prefixes/suffixes there are in autotools | 01:21 |
| halley | Man, I hate it when someone's on ignore, but they actually log in from several different hosts. | 01:24 |
| zerojay | halley: Can't you ignore , say.. username!name@* ? | 01:26 |
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| halley | This one uses the same nick, but some use foo|work, foo|home variants. This one does not use the same ident. | 01:28 |
| halley | Most clients make it easy to ignore *!foo*@*.foohost.net but it's still annoying to do it twice. | 01:29 |
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| Mikho | I'm including some files in the deb package with 'dist_<filename>_DATA' command in a Makefile.am file. How can I make it appear with executable permissions when the deb package is installed? | 01:39 |
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| lardman | that question flies far over lardman's head | 01:41 |
| halley | And yet, you feel compelled to comment. | 01:41 |
| lardman | merely to make sure he realises there are actually people listening, and that his question is difficult | 01:42 |
| * halley rolls his eyes. | 01:42 | |
| Mikho | I'm almost there. I can get the file to install properly from the package, but I want it marked as an executable | 01:43 |
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| Mikho | a simple chmod command would do the trick | 01:43 |
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| halley | Annoying when an app only has like a 3x3 pixel icon, instead of the stock size of other apps. | 02:00 |
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| Mikho | hahaha, I did it. Just had to list the file with dist_pkgdata_SCRIPTS macro in the Makefile.am file | 02:05 |
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| BuckWild | umm | 02:06 |
| BuckWild | I can't seem to be able to flash my N800 using the linux flasher | 02:06 |
| BuckWild | it looks like it's going to work but then it does nothing | 02:06 |
| BuckWild | I have an N800 and I'm trying to flash on ubuntu amd64 bit, with OS 2008 beta | 02:06 |
| Esworp | this is a test of the thinkoutside keyboard... | 02:07 |
| Esworp | yup. | 02:07 |
| Esworp | I'm happy. | 02:07 |
| Esworp | yay n sh_t. | 02:07 |
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| l7_ | I have heard the windows flasher is betterI have heard the windows flasher is better | 02:09 |
| l7_ | qThat was odd. | 02:09 |
| l7_ | That was odd. | 02:09 |
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| l7_ | Looks like a bug with OS2008 in the thumb board | 02:11 |
| l7_ | in xterm | 02:11 |
| l7_ | it prints to the terminal, then the text st ays in the buffer | 02:12 |
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| Esworp | blam | 02:17 |
| astro76 | Esworp, got the ultra-slim? | 02:17 |
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| Esworp | yeah. | 02:18 |
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| Esworp | i had one for my palm, it's about he same, but a bit snappier. | 02:18 |
| Esworp | and the pairing is more transparent... once you set it up. | 02:18 |
| Esworp | so, does os2008 update the email app? i hate the included one. | 02:19 |
| astro76 | I'm really happy with it... would be nice if they labeled where the print screen, scroll lock, pause, insert, and function keys are, I had to find them myself | 02:19 |
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| Esworp | heh.. i just wanna type. | 02:25 |
| halley | Flashing an N810... need to hold any buttons like older models? | 02:25 |
| Esworp | none of that weirdness for me, kthx. | 02:25 |
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| BuckWild | I'm having problems using the linux flasher with the N800 and OS 2008, anyone done this successfully? | 03:00 |
| astro76 | sure | 03:00 |
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| BuckWild | it just exits instead of updating | 03:01 |
| astro76 | BuckWild, followed this? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 03:01 |
| BuckWild | yeah | 03:01 |
| halley | BuckWild, must do the sudo. | 03:02 |
| BuckWild | it's executing the command | 03:02 |
| halley | BuckWild, the -u step is unpacking; did it do that? | 03:02 |
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| BuckWild | unpacking? nah, I was trying to flash it with -f -R as switches | 03:03 |
| BuckWild | is there something I have to do first? | 03:03 |
| astro76 | BuckWild, yeah I needed sudo | 03:03 |
| BuckWild | I did the sudo, I'm a pretty regular linux user so I know that's not the problem | 03:03 |
| BuckWild | it waits for my thing to start, but when it starts it just jumps off without doing anything | 03:04 |
| BuckWild | I get this: | 03:04 |
| BuckWild | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 037 | 03:04 |
| BuckWild | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 | 03:04 |
| BuckWild | NOLO version 1.1.6 | 03:04 |
| BuckWild | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 03:04 |
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| BuckWild | and then it goes back to the prompt | 03:04 |
| halley | I'm on OSX, but I used these: | 03:04 |
| halley | sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -u -F RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 03:05 |
| halley | sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx --enable-rd-mode | 03:05 |
| halley | sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -k zImage -f | 03:05 |
| halley | sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -n initfs.jffs2 -f | 03:05 |
| halley | sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -r rootfs.jffs2 -f -R | 03:05 |
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| halley | Hm, maemocjk is not working well. | 03:06 |
| BuckWild | alright this seems to be working | 03:09 |
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| BuckWild | yeah | 03:10 |
| BuckWild | looks like this worked | 03:10 |
| BuckWild | thanks guys | 03:10 |
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| BuckWild | has anyone else had bluetooth pairing problems with OS 2008 | 03:15 |
| l7 | what kind of problems? | 03:17 |
| l7 | i am able to share files over bluetooth in 2008 | 03:18 |
| BuckWild | it said pairing with my phone failed | 03:18 |
| BuckWild | my phone didn't seem to be having a problem tho | 03:18 |
| l7 | did you punch in the code? | 03:18 |
| BuckWild | yeah | 03:18 |
| l7 | i haven't tried my phone yet... | 03:18 |
| BuckWild | I really like the layout of the OS a lot better | 03:18 |
| l7 | 2008 seems pretty buggy though | 03:18 |
| BuckWild | well, this isn't a final release | 03:19 |
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| BuckWild | I honestly don't use the device as much as I thought I would | 03:20 |
| BuckWild | so | 03:20 |
| l7 | yeah i can't wait until 2008 is out of beta | 03:20 |
| BuckWild | I was willing to experiment a little | 03:20 |
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| l7 | did you get the 800 or 810? | 03:20 |
| BuckWild | 800 | 03:21 |
| BuckWild | I wish I would've waited for the 810 | 03:21 |
| BuckWild | cuz I really would like a built in keyboard | 03:21 |
| BuckWild | I think that's the big thing that prevents me from using it more actually | 03:21 |
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| astro76 | besides the screen I prefer the n800 | 03:23 |
| astro76 | really hope the next one goes back to SD | 03:23 |
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| BuckWild | oh, the 810 doesn't have SD? | 03:25 |
| astro76 | external minisd, internal 2GB fixed | 03:25 |
| BuckWild | that's not too bad I guess | 03:25 |
| BuckWild | they are supposed to be targeted for different markets or whatever | 03:25 |
| BuckWild | I have an 8gb card, so that would kinda suck to not be able to use that | 03:26 |
| BuckWild | this OS seems a lot snappier | 03:26 |
| astro76 | well, the cpu is now running at 400 MHz instead of 330 | 03:26 |
| BuckWild | yeah, that's what I heard | 03:28 |
| astro76 | the difference is definitely noticeable | 03:28 |
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| |R | zerojay : i just sent an inquiry to nokia.ca to see if they could arrange something for discount code + canada shipping... (worth a try i guess..) | 03:29 |
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| |R | i'll keep you up to date if something ever comes out of it :) | 03:30 |
| BuckWild | umm | 03:31 |
| BuckWild | does anyone know if you can install firefox addons | 03:31 |
| BuckWild | now that it's mozilla based | 03:31 |
| BuckWild | I guess not | 03:31 |
| |R | (and if other canadian have a discount code too, tell me ;) | 03:31 |
| BuckWild | that would be awesome tho | 03:31 |
| BuckWild | if I could have adblock plus | 03:31 |
| BuckWild | haha | 03:31 |
| astro76 | BuckWild, http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/ | 03:33 |
| astro76 | install greasemonkey and you can use this script for adblocking http://userstyles.org/styles/299 | 03:33 |
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| BuckWild | nice. | 03:34 |
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| fadec | anybody else have crashes with the installed nokia 770 email program? | 03:44 |
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| zerojay | |R: ok. | 03:47 |
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| BuckWild | is there a version of this bomberman for linux PCs? | 03:56 |
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| lopz | re | 04:09 |
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| srwalter | Why might an AVI file take many seconds to start playing (on both mplayer and media-player) | 04:35 |
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| blithe | Woo! Just ordered an n800 last night! | 05:41 |
| * blithe does a little happy dance. | 05:41 | |
| srwalter | What'd you pay? | 05:44 |
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| blithe | $230 free shipping? | 05:44 |
| srwalter | Nice | 05:45 |
| blithe | Got it from buy.com, not sure if they still have them. | 05:45 |
| srwalter | I was just curious. I bought an n810 last week | 05:45 |
| blithe | Ooo, cool. | 05:45 |
| blithe | How much that set you back? | 05:45 |
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| srwalter | $450 | 05:46 |
| blithe | Oye. | 05:46 |
| srwalter | I gotta have the hardware keyboard | 05:46 |
| blithe | Yeah, it'd be nice for ssh'ing. | 05:52 |
| blithe | I just can't afford the N810 right now. :P | 05:53 |
| srwalter | Nice for IRC, too :) | 05:53 |
| blithe | Exactly! | 05:54 |
| blithe | They were selling those igo stowaways on amazon for $30 the other day. | 05:54 |
| blithe | So I don't mind. | 05:54 |
| * blithe grins | 05:55 | |
| blithe | The GPS would be nice though. | 05:55 |
| |R | srwalter : how's the typing ? speed/accuracy ? | 05:56 |
| srwalter | Its not bad. The response is a little iinconsistent | 05:57 |
| srwalter | (Note the double I, for example) | 05:57 |
| blithe | hehe | 05:57 |
| |R | haha :) | 05:57 |
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| |R | I'm eager to be able to order mine ... | 05:58 |
| |R | i have an n800+stoaway right now... it's not perfect either but it's a quite good mix :) | 05:58 |
| blithe | How do you like the stowaway? | 05:58 |
| |R | A little getting used to for the Fn keys, # row, etc... and since i usually speak french i still need to fix the accents in some way, but it works well :) | 05:59 |
| srwalter | Got a link for the stowaway? | 05:59 |
| blithe | Sec. | 05:59 |
| |R | srwalter : information? | 05:59 |
| srwalter | Right | 05:59 |
| |R | http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2524884 | 06:00 |
| srwalter | Thanks | 06:00 |
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| blithe | http://tinyurl.com/yqt48h | 06:00 |
| blithe | That's the amazon deal. | 06:00 |
| |R | but just search stowaway ultra-slim bluetooth keyboard and you'll find miriads of data :) | 06:00 |
| |R | oh it's still up | 06:00 |
| blithe | |R: Can you remap keys easily with it? | 06:00 |
| blithe | I type with a dvorak layout. | 06:00 |
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| |R | amazon.com is really anoying for canadians, you can order books from the .com but not electronics or anything else for that mather... | 06:01 |
| |R | blithe : well i guess that if you type with dvorak you know avout xmodmap ;) | 06:01 |
| blithe | Ah, k. | 06:01 |
| |R | s/avout/about/ | 06:01 |
| infobot | |R meant: blithe : well i guess that if you type with dvorak you know about xmodmap ;) | 06:01 |
| * srwalter uses dvorak, too | 06:01 | |
| |R | blithe : dovrak is not in the default choices :) | 06:01 |
| blithe | hehe | 06:01 |
| |R | really? wow, i thought it was pretty rare :) | 06:01 |
| blithe | I love it. | 06:02 |
| |R | we should have keymap generators based on language sets | 06:02 |
| srwalter | I'm mixed. Not sure if it is worse than qwerty for this, but a lot of pprogramming keys are right-pinky | 06:02 |
| |R | let's say, generate me a keymap that is going to be efficient if i use french 60% of the time and english 40% | 06:03 |
| srwalter | That'd be pretty cool | 06:03 |
| |R | and than add japanese and swahili haha ;) | 06:03 |
| blithe | srwalter: Will a standard dvorak xmodmap file work with the bt keyboards? | 06:03 |
| blithe | Or will I have to make my own? | 06:04 |
| |R | i'm guessing it should, but not sure... i know that when running on an old mac PPC i had to remake my own | 06:04 |
| srwalter | I suspect it would be no different. Not using a bt keyboard here | 06:04 |
| elb | Japanese will work find with any latin layout | 06:04 |
| |R | yeah, i guess :) | 06:04 |
| blithe | Aight, I'll mess with it when mine comes in the mail. :P | 06:04 |
| elb | xkb *does* suck, though | 06:04 |
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| |R | ス<- su | 06:04 |
| |R | etc | 06:05 |
| blithe | I use xkb on my laptop. | 06:05 |
| blithe | I have a hardware dvorak keyboard for my desktop. | 06:05 |
| |R | haha nice :) | 06:05 |
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| elb | yes, I am aware of how Japanese input works, and I use it regularly | 06:06 |
| mariorz | man mpd+mmpc rocks | 06:06 |
| |R | i'm already the fastest typer in my group of friends, i can't switch, i'd loose my edge ahha ;) | 06:06 |
| mariorz | :) | 06:06 |
| blithe | mariorz: That's one thing I'm really excited about! | 06:06 |
| elb | unbiased tests don't show dvorak to have any particular speed gain or loss | 06:06 |
| blithe | I'm a huge mpd fan. | 06:06 |
| elb | but it *does* seem to be better with respect to RSI | 06:06 |
| blithe | elb: It's just more comftorable in my mind. | 06:06 |
| mariorz | jsut installed it, this going to be my default setup for rocking out | 06:06 |
| blithe | And I make less typing errors. | 06:07 |
| elb | blithe: I was responding to |R's comment about speed | 06:07 |
| blithe | Ah. | 06:07 |
| elb | I tried to learn dvorak a few years ago ... but qwerty is hard-wired | 06:07 |
| |R | How hard is it to switch back and forth between qwerty and dvorak ? | 06:07 |
| blithe | Nah, give yourself a month. | 06:07 |
| blithe | Trust me. | 06:07 |
| elb | it was almost physically painful to remap my brain ;-) | 06:07 |
| blithe | Anyone can switch. | 06:07 |
| |R | hehe | 06:07 |
| blithe | You realize how annoying it is for new computer users thouh. | 06:07 |
| blithe | And why they hate using them so much. | 06:08 |
| blithe | Because it's painful to type for a week or so. :P | 06:08 |
| elb | learning and re-learning are two different things | 06:08 |
| elb | oh, yeah, typing while learning is painful | 06:08 |
| elb | but it doesn't take too long to learn, the first time | 06:08 |
| blithe | I'd say relearning is easier. | 06:08 |
| elb | I had hunt-and-pecked for long enough that picking up touch typing didn't take me very long at all | 06:08 |
| |R | well started learning on typewriters at 5, had plenty of time to make my mind since hehe | 06:09 |
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| Epeloon2 | Hi | 06:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | |R, I switch completely seamlessly. | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just type whatever's on the layout in front of me. | 06:28 |
| Epeloon2 | I have one small question: I've just bought the n800 and i'm looking for a good quality/price GPS Bluetooth. Which one should i buy? Thanks. | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I can't type Dvorak on Qwerty or vice versa, and blank-cap keyboards absolutely don't work (as they just become a mishmash of both. | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737/757 | 06:29 |
| Epeloon2 | Thanks GeneralAntilles. But i read that they aren't Sirf III (i think) like Holux 240. So, do you think that i-blue is better than Holux even if Holux are Sirf III? Thanks. | 06:30 |
| febb | hi all ! | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I've had better experience with the MTK chipset in the i-blues than any SiRF III device. | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | MTK has just a slight edge right now. | 06:31 |
| febb | For those of you in the USA, which place would be the one to go and buy a Nokia N810 ? Would you recommend any mail order (or internet order) shop to buy an N810 ? | 06:32 |
| Epeloon2 | ah ok :). That's sounds good for me. Just a last small question: where can i bought one of them. is Buygpsnow a good place to deal with or should i deal with semsons (i think)? Thanks. | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | amazon.com if they'll ship to you. | 06:33 |
| Epeloon2 | hmm ok. By the way, Amazon has a goos price for the Igo Ultra slim keyboard for 30$ with free shipping. Thank you GeneralAntilles. | 06:34 |
| |R | Epeloon2 : i have an Holux M1200, works well and is very small (fits in a jean's lighter-pocket) | 06:36 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles : hehe for dvorak i'm not sure the gain would be practical for french typing though :) | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, I'm just saying. ;) | 06:37 |
| |R | hehe i know :) | 06:37 |
| |R | the i-blue 737 is nice but bigger / more expensive (but removable battery as a bonus...) | 06:38 |
| |R | well not that much more actually | 06:38 |
| Epeloon2 | :) | 06:39 |
| |R | (check eBay...) | 06:39 |
| * |R doesn't trust shippers from hongkong on electronics though... | 06:39 | |
| Epeloon2 | even on ebay i find the same dealers buygpsnow and semsons | 06:39 |
| Epeloon2 | even hongkong guys have the same prices or even more expensive | 06:40 |
| |R | the holux M1200 can be had for 50-60 on ebay... shipping included | 06:40 |
| |R | the i-blue 737 seems to be around 70-80 total.. | 06:41 |
| Epeloon2 | i-blue 737 also fron Amazon (semsons) for 60$ shipping included :) | 06:41 |
| |R | i don't know how real life battery life differ though, i-blue will probably last longer as it is bigger :) | 06:41 |
| Epeloon2 | http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1196829352&sr=8-1 | 06:41 |
| |R | it all depends of what you plan on doing i guess :) | 06:41 |
| Epeloon2 | i-blue last longer because it havs the on/off feature i think | 06:41 |
| |R | they all do | 06:42 |
| Epeloon2 | ah ok, i didn't know that :) | 06:42 |
| |R | well, you're talking about a switch? | 06:42 |
| Epeloon2 | no | 06:42 |
| |R | or that it has an idle mode when not probed? | 06:42 |
| Epeloon2 | idle mode | 06:42 |
| Epeloon2 | it is automatic when there is no bluetooth signal | 06:42 |
| Epeloon2 | the i-blue becomes in idle mode | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, Holux do not have the on/off feature. | 06:43 |
| Epeloon2 | like shut down i think | 06:43 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles oh | 06:43 |
| Epeloon2 | that's why the i-blur last longer | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it powers off, basically. | 06:43 |
| Epeloon2 | this is the best thing i found people like in i-blue | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does about 24-26 hours of active positioning. | 06:43 |
| |R | good :) | 06:43 |
| Epeloon2 | is it faster to fix a signal? i-blue 737 | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is anybody else just completely fed up with ITT today? | 06:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're probably almost exactly the same, Epeloon2. | 06:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | All the bitchiness and the trolling is driving me up a wall. | 06:44 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles haha why? what's up with ITT ? | 06:44 |
| |R | hehe | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reggie needs to add a big fat, flashing search button to the homepage. | 06:45 |
| Epeloon2 | Thanks GeneralAntilles. So, i'll see prices now :). Thanks for all. | 06:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm so tired of answering the same questions over and over and over. | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't even take out my anger with "Search first" posts anymore. :( | 06:45 |
| elb | forums do suck for that, though | 06:46 |
| elb | they're pretty much the worst possible interface to ... basically everything | 06:46 |
| |R | and maybe the search should use google as an alternate too | 06:46 |
| |R | the internal search is pretty random sometime | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fair enough, but these people aren't even trying. | 06:46 |
| elb | I'm sure they aren't | 06:47 |
| elb | they're the same people who have submitted the same bug to the Pidgin bugtracker 100 times in the past week ;-) | 06:47 |
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| |R | haha | 06:47 |
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| Palintheus | Started a new channel ( #nokia-tablet ) for discussion on the NXXX tablets since this channel is for devs mostly | 06:48 |
| halley | elb, did you get your device yet? | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, no, Palintheus. | 06:48 |
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| halley | I attempted the first .install of maemocjk for n810 but it failed to reboot. :/ | 06:49 |
| |R | oops | 06:49 |
| oil_ | is there an similar app for n800 as 'nokia sports tracker' for S60? | 06:50 |
| halley | Well, I got to see how much WAS saved in a backup file, vs what WASN'T. | 06:50 |
| * halley mutters something under his breath. | 06:50 | |
| oil_ | eh. I could record the route and then send it to a web site. also interested of realtime location update | 06:50 |
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| K`zan | Hummm, does the n800 work with a bluetooth mouse?!? | 07:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not well, or easily, K`zan. | 07:27 |
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| l7 | damn, the tablet video converter is great! | 07:37 |
| oil_ | but it can not use DVD as source? | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who stores their DVDs are VIDEO_TS, anyway? | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | in* | 07:40 |
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| ol_schoola | hi all | 07:40 |
| oil_ | I tried yesterday on linux. marked all the files on the VIDEO_TS directory.. and non of the file were accepted. | 07:41 |
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| ol_schoola | i have a trip report on my six-wekk-old n800 | 07:42 |
| ol_schoola | it went for a swim | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, why'd you do that? | 07:42 |
| ol_schoola | i didn't, it did | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | What water, how deep, how long? | 07:42 |
| ol_schoola | ok, i did, but didn't ask it to join me :) | 07:43 |
| ol_schoola | long day in an attic, so i filled the spa and set it off to the side as usual | 07:43 |
| ol_schoola | streaming bbc news and all of a sudden.... | 07:43 |
| ol_schoola | ... a newly placed plant on a shelf above came down | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the first step, obviously, is to take the battery out, open up all the various ports and pieces and leave it in a dry place for a couple weeks. | 07:44 |
| ol_schoola | we're gettin there.... | 07:44 |
| ol_schoola | i see the thing fly across the tiles and land right next to me, bubbles and jets going full blast | 07:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good nows is, that as long as nothing shorted, it'll probably be ok | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've heard of more than one N800 emerging unscathed from an unscheduled swim practice. | 07:46 |
| ol_schoola | two frantic grabs and i got it, pull it out, rip off the nokia magnetic cover (which was flipped full back) and start grabbing at the door | 07:46 |
| ol_schoola | rapped it quickly on the floor to get the batt out | 07:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Quick thinking, good. :) | 07:46 |
| ol_schoola | and toweled everything off | 07:47 |
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| ol_schoola | this without my glasses and i'm like, 20/80^6 | 07:47 |
| ol_schoola | there we both sit, maked and vulnerable | 07:47 |
| ol_schoola | sb/naked | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:47 |
| ol_schoola | i have forced air gas heat with a bypass-style humidifier | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good recommendation to future would-be N800 swimmers: stick it in a zip or two and vacuum seal it with your mouth. Works great. ;) | 07:48 |
| ol_schoola | this is better.... | 07:48 |
| ol_schoola | i shut the water supply to the humidifier, opened her up and place the pieces seperately inside the horizontal bypass, making sure the pointy screws didn't scratch the screen | 07:49 |
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| ol_schoola | furnace goes on and off about four times an hour, two or three minutes a shopt | 07:50 |
| ol_schoola | \sb/shot | 07:50 |
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| ol_schoola | next morniong, i was still paranois | 07:50 |
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| ol_schoola | i put a medium sized silca bag inside the battery compartment and closed it up | 07:51 |
| ol_schoola | THEN i tried the ziplock baggie trick (tips hat to the General) | 07:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use the ziplock BEFORE you stick it in the pool. :P | 07:52 |
| ol_schoola | next few days, the resistive pad had a bit of moisture under it and was in the shape of a histogram (ala photoshop) | 07:52 |
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| ol_schoola | it went away (phew) after a few more days | 07:53 |
| l7 | oil_: not sure, i haven't checked yet | 07:53 |
| ol_schoola | unbelievable | 07:53 |
| l7 | you could use a two step process i guess | 07:53 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Thanks, I'll hold off for now :) | 07:53 |
| l7 | or you could find another program i guess | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Working now, ol_schoola? | 07:55 |
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| K`zan | Is there a point to map over maemo mapper? | 07:55 |
| ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: seems perfetly fine, other than i buggered my "early adopter" 2008 install, can't flash the "blessed" one | 07:56 |
| K`zan | Other than missing the <+> and <-> tapping points I don't see much difference. | 07:56 |
| ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: you got a sec to point me in the right direction? | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | What happened with the flash? | 07:56 |
| l7 | i guess you have map's own set of POIs | 07:57 |
| l7 | not sure if they are better than maemo mappers | 07:57 |
| K`zan | Dunno at this point, my iblue 737 is on the way :-). | 07:57 |
| ol_schoola | using a mac, tiger not leopard, running the flassher and then powering gives: Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 ...... NOLO version 1.1.6 .... Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 07:58 |
| K`zan | Seems that setup software for it only runs on a mobile pc (wincrap) device, not sure if that is important or not. | 07:58 |
| ol_schoola | i'm using Fanoush's initfs and have removed all cards | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm clueless with a non-factory initfs setup. | 07:59 |
| ol_schoola | think i ought to remove the bootloader? | 07:59 |
| ol_schoola | oh wait, you just said you had no exop | 07:59 |
| ol_schoola | exp | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't have a clue. :) | 08:00 |
| ol_schoola | Fanooooooooush!!!! | 08:00 |
| K`zan | Anyone here using the i-Blue 737 Bluetooth GPS ? | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know things weren't working so well with his dual-boot setup and OS2008. | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Me, K`zan. | 08:00 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Ah, you are the one that got me to spring for that :). | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would seem so. :P | 08:01 |
| ol_schoola | i'm not dual booting, just booting from internal mmc card | 08:01 |
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| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Any comments you might have? How did you set it up or do you have a mobile wincrap device? Docs are a little sparse... | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should work straightout with the N800. | 08:02 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: It's ALL *your* fault :-) LOL | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno about the WinMob (shudder) | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same thing, ol_schoola | 08:02 |
| K`zan | Seems you need wincrap to set it up (fuzzy on/off, etc.?) | 08:02 |
| K`zan | Or does it just do that - handy for battery conservation it would seem. | 08:03 |
| * ol_schoola puts hex on GeneralAntilles for naming that which should not be named | 08:03 | |
| K`zan | And I am not going to spend another damn dime on wincrap :-) | 08:03 |
| K`zan | Coffee, brb | 08:03 |
| ol_schoola | i'll go peruse the fora. is it just me or are the wiki articles at maemo about as stale as a truck stop bagel? | 08:04 |
| K`zan | back, burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... | 08:05 |
| ol_schoola | is the coffee outside? | 08:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You're not kidding, ol_schoola. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need a good wiki. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo's is crap | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | itt's is crap | 08:06 |
| K`zan | No :-), but it was warm enough today to open the door and I just remembered it :) | 08:06 |
| ol_schoola | i'm active with the mythtv wiki, maybe i can redirect some resources | 08:06 |
| ol_schoola | K`zan: hah | 08:07 |
| K`zan | Anything would help, maemo is better than nothing, but not by much :-(. | 08:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It'd be nice if ITT's didn't suck so much. | 08:07 |
| ol_schoola | but i'll be damned if i work on anything other than mediawiki | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't see any reason why it should. | 08:07 |
| K`zan | Horribly cold - 46.4F :-). | 08:07 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles : ask for one on wikia | 08:07 |
| ol_schoola | i'm a contractor by profession | 08:07 |
| ol_schoola | and my toolkit is full of tools, like screwdrivers, and power thingies | 08:08 |
| ol_schoola | i don't program and learning mediawiki was all i could do | 08:08 |
| K`zan | Wish I could find a decent (and cheap) USB adapter kit... | 08:08 |
| ol_schoola | in a past life i integrated big iron like Alphas with DEC UNIX and Oracle and T1's and thus, but never programming | 08:09 |
| K`zan | Lucky you :-) | 08:09 |
| ol_schoola | i think so :) | 08:09 |
| K`zan | Me too, having been on the other end :-) | 08:09 |
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| ol_schoola | but now i have to run wire like monkey through walls, atytics basements and earth when the going gets tought | 08:10 |
| ol_schoola | i don't ghave a lot of guys and i still have to work for a living | 08:10 |
| K`zan | Good exercise :-) | 08:10 |
| ol_schoola | good thing i'm skinny :) | 08:10 |
| K`zan | Too true. | 08:10 |
| K`zan | They took me off running cable when I started using my crossbow to get across the building :). | 08:11 |
| ol_schoola | nice | 08:11 |
| K`zan | For some reason that made management nervous. | 08:11 |
| K`zan | Sure saved a LOT of time though. | 08:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 08:11 |
| K`zan | Wimpy managers :). | 08:12 |
| K`zan | I really wasn't aiming for them and I didn't even have points on :). | 08:12 |
| ol_schoola | i do mostly commercial life safety and house of worship A/V now, use my old IM6 spincasting setup to run a lead line :) | 08:12 |
| K`zan | The more I use the n800 the more I am in love with it! With the BT keyboard it should be close to perfect. | 08:13 |
| ol_schoola | who says you can't fish and work? | 08:13 |
| K`zan | A mouse would be nice, but... | 08:13 |
| K`zan | Wish I could stream my TV card, would be nice to drag TV around with me. | 08:13 |
| |R | K`zan : i think i saw something to that effect somewhere | 08:14 |
| |R | can't remember what/where though :| | 08:14 |
| K`zan | Some stuff out there, but a frugging nightmare to get working. Same reason I do all my editing under wincrap :-(, its easier. | 08:14 |
| K`zan | video editing... | 08:14 |
| |R | :| | 08:15 |
| K`zan | Crappy tools, but ultimately a LOT easier to deal with :-( :-( :-(. | 08:15 |
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| ol_schoola | what i REALLLY want, is to hack up a webcam so it is very low profile, mount it to the end of a gooseneck with an LED light, plug it into my n800 and have realtime video while i shove it into walls, crevices, behinf equiipment racks, etc... | 08:15 |
| K`zan | Someday... | 08:15 |
| K`zan | Nice idea! | 08:15 |
| ol_schoola | inspection camera | 08:15 |
| K`zan | Snaking crap through walls is a PITA at best. | 08:15 |
| ol_schoola | commercial units start at 2500 USD | 08:15 |
| K`zan | Some cheaper stuff at Harbor Freight IIRC> | 08:16 |
| ol_schoola | f#%@^$ that | 08:16 |
| K`zan | No kidding. | 08:16 |
| K`zan | WHere did I see those, checking. | 08:16 |
| ol_schoola | i currently use a chip cam on a gooseneck with a GoVideo Off-Road and a power supply | 08:16 |
| ol_schoola | ugly | 08:16 |
| K`zan | http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95833 | 08:17 |
| K`zan | Still not cheap, but... | 08:17 |
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| ol_schoola | ty, at <300 bones, i'll try one | 08:17 |
| K`zan | or: | 08:18 |
| ol_schoola | i'm used to expensive test equipment. but i make it pay for itself and then some | 08:18 |
| K`zan | http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93765 | 08:18 |
| ol_schoola | THAT's what i was referring to | 08:18 |
| K`zan | Understand, if you can afford and need the good stuff, it pays for itself. | 08:18 |
| ol_schoola | way more than iwant | 08:18 |
| solmumaha | K`zan: stream tv card on what platform? | 08:18 |
| K`zan | Linux | 08:18 |
| solmumaha | dvb-card? | 08:19 |
| K`zan | fedora8 at the moment | 08:19 |
| K`zan | Don't think so. Have an old HD-3000 in the drawer, I think that might be. | 08:19 |
| ol_schoola | i'm US so i use a the HD HomeRun | 08:19 |
| K`zan | oops, typo - fedora7 | 08:19 |
| K`zan | First one would seem to be a better choice for cable routing?! | 08:20 |
| solmumaha | it's possible with vlc | 08:20 |
| K`zan | Will have to get that card installed and see if it will coexist with the leadtek. | 08:21 |
| ol_schoola | second one is definitely for the plumbing/sewer types | 08:21 |
| ol_schoola | i'll try the first and report back | 08:21 |
| K`zan | Never had any luck getting that to work as an HD card :-(. | 08:21 |
| K`zan | Well, there was a place where we did route through drains and sewers (govenment job, of course ;-). | 08:21 |
| ol_schoola | but i tell, ya, you can't improve the sales glitz with a web-enabled inspection camera ;) | 08:21 |
| K`zan | ol_schoola: Hope I will have helped some :-). | 08:22 |
| K`zan | L | 08:22 |
| ol_schoola | come to think of it, i never did get the reall answer on whether an n800 can be a USB host adapter.... | 08:23 |
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| ol_schoola | can you use a powere usb hub and the patch to make it go? | 08:23 |
| K`zan | I looked into a usb keyboard for it, but the bt one was cheaper :). | 08:23 |
| ol_schoola | i'm still thinki9ng webcam | 08:23 |
| K`zan | ol_schoola: You would need at least a power supply for it and some module that may or may not be available unless you compile your own kernel. | 08:24 |
| ol_schoola | and the Think Outside BT kboard works great! | 08:24 |
| K`zan | Never seen a webcam that was that small... | 08:24 |
| K`zan | Closest was, lemme find it... | 08:24 |
| ol_schoola | i stripped one down the other night, reall small, and i can compile kernels, been usi9ng myth with HD since .15 | 08:24 |
| K`zan | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826109001 | 08:25 |
| ol_schoola | i'm not sure if i want to bite off that big a piece of cake though | 08:25 |
| K`zan | At some point I need to figure out what it takes to build a kernel and get it working on the n800, at this point I am clueless. | 08:26 |
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| ol_schoola | i'd need a vmware mamemo ubuntu device to develop/compile in, right? | 08:26 |
| K`zan | I suspect that will become important in time. | 08:26 |
| K`zan | AFAIK. | 08:26 |
| K`zan | I got the app development stuff installed, but I don't think I can build a custom kernel with that. | 08:27 |
| K`zan | My embedded linux knowledge is really! sparse. | 08:27 |
| ol_schoola | can do. just need to find the time. like i said, im no programmer so i bump into more walls and obstacles than helen keller | 08:27 |
| K`zan | LOL | 08:27 |
| vlad_ | anyone know what's up with maemo.org ? | 08:27 |
| K`zan | It is terminally slow, patience grasshopper :) | 08:28 |
| rip_ | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/modules-rx-34-2.6.21.0.tar.gz | 08:28 |
| rip_ | there is a heap of kernel modules in that tarball | 08:28 |
| K`zan | rip, cool thanks! | 08:28 |
| rip_ | its for OS2008 Beta for N800 | 08:28 |
| rip_ | im not sure if the module you are looking for is in there | 08:28 |
| rip_ | but doesn't hurt to have a look | 08:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sucks, K`zan. | 08:29 |
| K`zan | rip, it is a starting point. Not sure if those will work with the 2008 for the n800 device though. | 08:29 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: maemo site? Yes, sigh, it does in many ways. | 08:29 |
| rip_ | I'm using the CIFS module from that for OS2008 Beta for the N800 | 08:29 |
| rip_ | works fine | 08:30 |
| rip_ | :) | 08:30 |
| ol_schoola | rip_ TY so much. that'll prolly save me a ton of time (and open a few doors too!) | 08:30 |
| ol_schoola | oooh ooh oho hohh! i need that too | 08:30 |
| vlad_ | mm, quite terminally slow :) | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB host should work out-of-the-box with OS2008. | 08:30 |
| vlad_ | is there a mirror of the extras repo anywhere? | 08:30 |
| ol_schoola | that's kinda what i thought GeneralAntilles | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | bugzilla appears to be down. | 08:30 |
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| ol_schoola | been REAL busy at work since the synchronized swimming incident, first i've had to try and mess about | 08:31 |
| rip_ | I wrote a small page on ITT how to auto load the modules, its not exactly the best way to do it, but it works for me | 08:32 |
| K`zan | vlad, fwiw, it seems to work better for me early in the morning and late at night on the west coast USA. | 08:32 |
| K`zan | Blessed are all the developers for this :-)! | 08:32 |
| rip_ | but it lets me mount my 900 gig partition to the N800 :D | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can anybody get to bugs.maemo.org | 08:32 |
| K`zan | If USB works, it might be worth the effort to port jpilot... | 08:32 |
| K`zan | I wish I could get NFS to work, IIRC it did under 2007. | 08:33 |
| rip_ | GeneralAntilles: Nope, been down for me for awhile | 08:33 |
| vlad_ | K`zan: hmm, thanks | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not more than an hour. | 08:33 |
| vlad_ | K`zan: who supports the maemo.org site? is it pretty much just nokia, or is it mostly community supported? | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia | 08:33 |
| K`zan | vlad_: Dunno as GeneralAntilles | 08:33 |
| K`zan | LOL | 08:33 |
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| K`zan | Pretty sad if it is Nokia, community site I could understand. | 08:34 |
| ol_schoola | alrighty, 'night all. gotta meet the crestron programmer and the architect at 8am. apparently my services now include "translation" | 08:34 |
| K`zan | Night ol_schoola | 08:35 |
| ol_schoola | everyone in favor of a user supported, mediawiki-based site? | 08:35 |
| rip_ | Well, it would be nice if nokia moved maemo to a more stable server :p unless they are constantly playing with the serve to see if it breaks ;) | 08:35 |
| K`zan | Would be nice if they had a better way to list the apps available too, that is a confusing mess. | 08:35 |
| ol_schoola | if they spent one week of one person's time to shore that thing up..... | 08:36 |
| K`zan | Yeah, well, too busy making $$$ :) | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | rip_, that is, apparently, the case. | 08:36 |
| ol_schoola | they are intentionally downplaying the community side because this is an experimental platform | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The live server is their development server. | 08:36 |
| ol_schoola | my opinion anyway | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | As ridiculous as that sounds. | 08:36 |
| K`zan | Honesty don't know. | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd say maemo is doing a lot to support the community. | 08:37 |
| ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: no way | 08:37 |
| K`zan | But it sure isn't reflecting what this is, sad to say. | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the official stuff coming out of Nokia has made light of just how important it is. | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell, the only reason for the 770 was to start developing a good community. | 08:37 |
| K`zan | Then where is fmradio ;-) LOL | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Developer device codes? | 08:37 |
| ol_schoola | the mythtv-users list has half as many subscribers tyet there are at least 15 different automated build machines | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | mythtv has been around longer | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and isn't dependent on people spending money. ;) | 08:38 |
| ol_schoola | true ture ture | 08:38 |
| ol_schoola | true | 08:38 |
| K`zan | Nokia is getting killed by motorola, they can't afford it ;-) LOL | 08:38 |
| rip_ | is Maemo working with OpenMoko at all? or even sharing Ideas ? | 08:38 |
| rip_ | just off topic | 08:38 |
| ol_schoola | money? myth users spend GOBS of money | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenMoko is using a lot of stuff from maemo | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not as much going the other direction. | 08:39 |
| rip_ | ahh ok | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but they're buying much more generic parts | 08:39 |
| ol_schoola | i'm surprised that a user driven site hasn't taken over tyhe non-official nokia stuff | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | as opposed to handheld linux devices. ;) | 08:39 |
| rip_ | I have a mate who owns a OpenMoko :p is all and was curious | 08:39 |
| ol_schoola | i see | 08:39 |
| rip_ | and thinks its Maemo stealing ideas from OpenMoko :p | 08:39 |
| ol_schoola | do tell rip_ | 08:39 |
| ol_schoola | tell more ;) | 08:39 |
| rip_ | he didn't really get into it :p | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo was around BEFORE OpenMoko. :) | 08:40 |
| rip_ | he just reads the openmoko forums alot | 08:40 |
| rip_ | ;) | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beyond that, this isn't Microsoft versus Apple | 08:40 |
| rip_ | so I honestly wouldnt have aclue what his talking about | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | this is Open Source. :P | 08:40 |
| ol_schoola | indeed | 08:40 |
| * rip_ hugs his N800 | 08:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | ol_schoola, how long have you been involved in the community here? :P | 08:40 |
| * K`zan hugs mine too :) | 08:40 | |
| ol_schoola | six weeks | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | <- November 2005 | 08:40 |
| ol_schoola | mid November? | 08:41 |
| ol_schoola | yeah | 08:41 |
| rip_ | so I'm guessing Ubuntu mobile is based around the idea of Maemo ? since they are going to use maemo? | 08:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's all part of the Gnome Mobile stuff. | 08:41 |
| ol_schoola | i got my n800 with 26-8 on it and instinctively flashed it up to 38-2 after a short bit of reading | 08:42 |
| rip_ | cool | 08:43 |
| blithe | I'm like an excited ferret waiting for my n800 to come in the mail. :P | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'tis a wonderful device. | 08:43 |
| K`zan | blithe: hehe, THEN it start getting good :-) | 08:43 |
| blithe | I have never seen one in person. | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad the haters on ITT just can't see it. | 08:43 |
| blithe | I love hacking and playing with stuff. | 08:44 |
| blithe | Not just using. :P | 08:44 |
| K`zan | I really expected to be disappointed, but that sure didn't happen. | 08:44 |
| ol_schoola | loaded it with apps galore, perused red-pill, figured out how to boot from internal mmc, tried the leaked 2008, and here i am | 08:44 |
| blithe | So I figure it'd be right up my alley. | 08:44 |
| blithe | Oh, I still don't know what red-pill is? | 08:44 |
| rip_ | I have found, people get unreasonable expectations on the Nokia tablets, and think they are something they arn't | 08:44 |
| K`zan | Still not sure going to 2008 was wise... | 08:44 |
| rip_ | all my mates thought it was an ugly phone | 08:44 |
| rip_ | :P | 08:44 |
| K`zan | LOL | 08:44 |
| * rip_ repeats "It's not a phone" | 08:45 | |
| blithe | What is red-pill mode? | 08:45 |
| ol_schoola | blithe: i bought it for the specific purpose of hacking about\ | 08:45 |
| blithe | I'm kind of anxious to wander around town and find open access points. | 08:45 |
| ol_schoola | red-pill open up the application manager to all the rest of the "hidden" programs on your tablet | 08:45 |
| milhouse | geez... maemo.org off the air again? | 08:45 |
| K`zan | I got mine mostly for an ebook reader - essentially to replace the crap Palm z-31. | 08:45 |
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| K`zan | Fortunately with much masturbation I can run the palm emulator on it and eventually get things syn'd. | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | red-pill isn't something you really need to worry about. | 08:46 |
| ol_schoola | the stock app mgr hides all of the system dependent apps and libraries, useful to use red-pill mode if you are trying to solve a trick dependency problem | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It opens up a lot of stuff in apt-get that could nicely wreck your install. ;) | 08:46 |
| blithe | Honestly, I'm just excited to have a small ssh client. :P | 08:46 |
| K`zan | There is one, it is wonderful! | 08:46 |
| K`zan | It is why I got the bt keyboard :) | 08:47 |
| blithe | Yah! | 08:47 |
| K`zan | Err that was for the xterm. | 08:47 |
| ol_schoola | works as advertised | 08:47 |
| K`zan | I can use this keyboard with ssh :). | 08:47 |
| blithe | And my job 2 stories underground surrounded by concrete - no cell phone service. | 08:47 |
| K`zan | Might make wireless a bit difficult too... :-( | 08:48 |
| blithe | So something where I can still make/recieve basic calls would be nice. | 08:48 |
| blithe | It's blanketed in wireless. | 08:48 |
| milhouse | is maemo.org crapping out for everyone else of just me? :) | 08:48 |
| K`zan | COOL :) | 08:48 |
| ol_schoola | hmmmm, low bandwidth VHF maybe? | 08:48 |
| milhouse | s/of/or/ | 08:48 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: is maemo.org crapping out for everyone else or just me? :) | 08:48 |
| K`zan | Dead as a rock here... | 08:48 |
| ol_schoola | errr... sb/VLF | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's dead, milhouse. | 08:48 |
| milhouse | what a bag of shite... thanks | 08:48 |
| K`zan | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at maemo.org. | 08:48 |
| K`zan | Only slightly slower than normal ;-) | 08:49 |
| K`zan | It's dead Jim. | 08:49 |
| milhouse | i'd file another comment against the "maemo too fragile" bug but even bugzilla has gone this time! | 08:49 |
| milhouse | yeah my squid proxy is giving me "(113) No route to host" when attempting to connect to 62.61.85.75 | 08:50 |
| K`zan | Gonna call it a night here folks. Everyone have a good day/night :-) | 08:50 |
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| blithe | Night! | 08:50 |
| milhouse | ^ that's for bugzilla, and for maemo.org it's 62.61 | 08:50 |
| ol_schoola | night, same as well, thanks for advice all | 08:50 |
| K`zan | Thanks to everyone for all the help and info, bless you all! | 08:50 |
| milhouse | .85.38 | 08:50 |
| rip_ | nite K`zan | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's amazing how bad maemo.org is | 08:51 |
| oil_ | GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking the same | 08:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | how hard is it to drop in another couple servers at another host to act as a backup? :| | 08:51 |
| milhouse | i wonder what the excuses will be this time? | 08:51 |
| rip_ | do they actually post excuses ? | 08:52 |
| rip_ | I haven't seen any reason they go down :p unless I'm blind ;) | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The last one was something along the lines of "Our live server is our development server" | 08:52 |
| rip_ | oh | 08:52 |
| rip_ | lol | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is absolutely mind boggling for something like maemo | 08:52 |
| rip_ | why host repositorys off it then | 08:52 |
| rip_ | :P | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It REAKS of unprofessionalism. | 08:52 |
| milhouse | GA: yeah, pretty lame | 08:53 |
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| milhouse | Also, their ISP has to be the most unreliable ISP on the planet, or there are a lot of elk causing mayhem with the fibre in the wilds of Finland | 08:54 |
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| milhouse | ITT is more reliable than maemo.org | 08:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh . . . ITT | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been home to the trolls today. | 08:54 |
| milhouse | My home ADSL is more reliable than maemo.org :) | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:55 |
| milhouse | Shame it's only 128KB up or I'd have offered it to Quim as an alternative host :) | 08:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody throw in their home connections to host maemo.org! | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better uptime and faster speeds can be here today! | 08:55 |
| rip_ | lol | 08:56 |
| blithe | That'd be cool if someone came up with a good way to distribute bandwidth for sites. | 08:56 |
| blithe | Kind of like a torrent type model. | 08:56 |
| mariorz | http://xkcd.com/353/ | 08:56 |
| milhouse | we should have distributed hosting among ourselves... replicate maemo.org all over the world, have some sort of dynamic hosting manager to redirect requests seemlessly round-robin style... brilliant! | 08:56 |
| mariorz | :) | 08:56 |
| blithe | So instead of donating money to sites you like, you could just donate bandwidth. | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's called coralcache | 08:56 |
| milhouse | i'd do it | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, mariorz. | 08:57 |
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| timelyx | milhouse: some portion of garage.maemo.org is available from timeless.justdave.net | 09:08 |
| milhouse | we need you to mirror the whole of maemo.org! :) | 09:08 |
| timelyx | timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/ | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why don't you just take over maemo.org? :P | 09:10 |
| milhouse | gets my vote! :) | 09:10 |
| timelyx | once the garage section is synced and maemo indexed, i'll try to get a dns record for lxr.maemo.org or mxr.maemo.org | 09:12 |
| timelyx | with a lot of luck, that could come tuesday of next week | 09:12 |
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| timelyx | oh | 09:21 |
| * timelyx notices that the dates in garage are from yesterday | 09:21 | |
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| * spikebike spent a few years with a n770 | 09:28 | |
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| spikebike | the new n800 + os2008 rocks | 09:28 |
| spikebike | A shockingly big upgrade actually | 09:28 |
| oil_ | hey. is there a way to get the wlan AP MAC address on os2008 without installing extra wireless-tools? | 09:28 |
| milhouse | ifconfig? | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, N800 is an amazing improvement over the 770. | 09:28 |
| milhouse | oil: it's also in dmesg... | 09:29 |
| spikebike | any apps yet for it? sshd? | 09:29 |
| oil_ | milhouse: it will only give the device mac, not the ap | 09:29 |
| spikebike | (with os2008) | 09:29 |
| oil_ | milhouse: yes, I noticed it. but wondering if there is another way to fetch it | 09:29 |
| milhouse | spike: yes, openssh is available for 2008 - add the extras repository to app manager. unfortunately with maemo.org off the air you won't be able to update your catalogues right now | 09:29 |
| oil_ | with a comman.. in case there is a lot's of stuff on dmesg and the start will be written over. | 09:30 |
| milhouse | oil: not sure how to get it programatically | 09:30 |
| spikebike | milhouse any eta? | 09:30 |
| milhouse | spike: no idea... the maemo.org guys should be in the office now, but i've no idea what the problem is | 09:30 |
| spikebike | ah, thought maybe someone had heard something | 09:31 |
| milhouse | probably got posted on Maemo Announcements | 09:31 |
| spikebike | I got a type 6 8GB card for under $60 (USA), seems to help | 09:31 |
| spikebike | I'm not on maemo-announce 8-( | 09:31 |
| oil_ | milhouse: seems to be on /proc/net/arp .. but there would be others as well. | 09:31 |
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| milhouse | oil: my n800 doesn't appear in /proc/net/arp so i don't think thats very reliable | 09:33 |
| oil_ | milhouse: ok. thanks. then need to find another way | 09:33 |
| spikebike | arp times out | 09:34 |
| spikebike | there's a proc/net/wireless or something | 09:35 |
| spikebike | if I could ssh into my n800 I'd find it for ya | 09:35 |
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| zuh | It was announced on maemo-devel, should be on-line at 13:00 | 09:58 |
| timelyx | nice, bugs is down | 09:58 |
| zuh | (the server downtime that is) | 09:58 |
| timelyx | spikebike: timeless.justdave.net/capture-root-0.1.deb | 09:58 |
| timelyx | zuh: what time zone? | 10:00 |
| zuh | (UTC/GMT+2). | 10:01 |
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| milhouse | "The break will last from 09:00AM till 01:00PM (UTC/GMT+2)." | 10:07 |
| milhouse | just found the post myself (dated 3 Dec) - i'm a bit behind on the mailing list | 10:07 |
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| corevette | on my nokia 770, i'm unable to write anything to the memory card, nothing wil save | 10:17 |
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| melmoth | corevette: may be it s mounted read only | 10:22 |
| melmoth | kernel does that sometimes when it thinks the filesystem is too screwed up to change it before a proper fsck | 10:23 |
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| _berto_ | what happened to maemo.org ? | 10:25 |
| astro76 | _berto_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=104626 | 10:27 |
| _berto_ | thanks | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | corevette, you corrupted it. | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Format it. | 10:29 |
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| ML-37 | whats upp or rather down with maemo.org? | 10:32 |
| milhouse | Planned maintenance | 10:32 |
| ML-37 | k thnx | 10:33 |
| milhouse | Should be back in a 2 or 3 hours | 10:33 |
| ML-37 | thats what i figured | 10:34 |
| _berto_ | they're probably changing the battery of the 770 where the web server is installed | 10:35 |
| _berto_ | :) | 10:35 |
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| ML-37 | lol | 10:43 |
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| sikahakki | is maemo.org down? | 10:46 |
| _berto_ | sikahakki: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=104626 | 10:48 |
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| sikahakki | _berto_: thanks, I wonder where I could get xterm now in n800? | 10:50 |
| _berto_ | no idea | 10:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo hackers? | 10:52 |
| Dasaev | http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm | 10:52 |
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| zuh | I wonder why nokia/the ISP doesn't have a redirection of maemo.org to a "sorry, we'll be back at $DATE"-page... | 10:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because they're all incompetent. ;) | 10:57 |
| timelyx | it's not really nokia | 10:57 |
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| zuh | would be slightly better since the mailing list archives are down at the same time so there's really no official place to see that info unless you read the list actively | 10:58 |
| timelyx | we could stick it into the channel topic | 10:59 |
| timelyx | but that'd be way too logical | 10:59 |
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| zuh | that would also require IRCing | 10:59 |
| timelyx | it'd still help some people :) | 11:00 |
| zuh | joe random who isn't really following the lists nor IRCs, but is a passionate maemo-developer will be quite miffed about now... | 11:00 |
| zuh | Sure, I wasn't implying it was a bad idea :) | 11:00 |
| sikahakki | Dasajev: thanks, what about ssh do I get it in same place maemo-hackers? | 11:01 |
| zuh | Just saying that if to find out a service is on maintenance break you need to go to an unofficial IRC channel or 3rd party forums... | 11:01 |
| zuh | I think I won't repeat kulve's words here but... :P | 11:01 |
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| milhouse | maemo.org seems to be available now... | 11:07 |
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| milhouse | bugzilla not yet available | 11:08 |
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| ashura | Hello! | 11:10 |
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| ashura | is garage down for you too? | 11:11 |
| milhouse | garage is still down | 11:11 |
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| ashura | :( | 11:11 |
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| ashura | does anybody know if does exists zsnes on 770 ? | 11:11 |
| ashura | i was looking to a gphoto2 port too... | 11:12 |
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| Rocketman | no garage here either | 11:14 |
| milhouse | ashura: FCE Ultra is a NES emulator for Maemo | 11:15 |
| oil_ | Could not connect to repostory.maemo.org:80 (62.61.85.32). - connect (113 No route to host) | 11:15 |
| bergie | oil_: all servers are moving now | 11:15 |
| bergie | should be back up in 1h 45min | 11:15 |
| oil_ | bergie: ah. ok. thanks. | 11:16 |
| bergie | oil_: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=104626 | 11:16 |
| ashura | milhouse, thanks, but i was looking for a snes, not nes... | 11:17 |
| Rocketman | moving, as in physically? | 11:17 |
| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:17 |
| ashura | hallo AD-N770 | 11:17 |
| bergie | Rocketman: I think so, but that is up to the ISP | 11:17 |
| sikahakki | is ssh in some repository for os2007? | 11:19 |
| milhouse | sikahakki: extras | 11:19 |
| Rocketman | maemo.org is such a rinky dink operation | 11:20 |
| sikahakki | in maemo.org? which is down, or elswhere? | 11:20 |
| bergie | Rocketman: AFAIK this is a scheduled downtime that couldn't be avoided since the ISP is moving their hosting center | 11:21 |
| Rocketman | Then they need to span their hosting infrastructure across multiple datacenters | 11:22 |
| Rocketman | has nobody over there heard of bigip? | 11:22 |
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| wumpus | it is an open source project, those usually have no money for nasa style redundancy :P | 11:23 |
| bergie | Rocketman: we'd love to do a bit higher-end stuff with the servers but not with current resources | 11:24 |
| milhouse | service outages will be even less acceptable if/when the successor to the N810 appears and targets a more mainstream audience... | 11:25 |
| milhouse | i doubt anybody will care about a lack of resources while they get their refund from bestbuy | 11:25 |
| bergie | milhouse: yep, but then again maemo.org is not the site for that audience | 11:25 |
| Rocketman | I honestly get the feeling that maemo.org is running on a dell desktop sitting in some guy's office | 11:25 |
| milhouse | bergie: it is when the repositories are off line and the application manager is crapping out | 11:25 |
| bergie | Rocketman: AFAIK it is a normal low-end server | 11:26 |
| Rocketman | maemo.org is not being given the resources it needs and as a result nobody wants to use it to host their projects | 11:26 |
| bergie | but yes, we're trying to convince nokia to set up a bit move resources | 11:27 |
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| timelyx | if you need garage projects, you can find most of them here: | 11:27 |
| timelyx | timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/ | 11:27 |
| bergie | more memory for the main server (that now runs everything), and maybe separate servers for some things like memcached and static file serving | 11:27 |
| milhouse | some redundancy would be a good idea | 11:27 |
| Rocketman | shees, it isn't even on a cluster? | 11:28 |
| wumpus | Rocketman: where are the funds for maemo coming from anyway? | 11:28 |
| bergie | milhouse: that too. Midgard supports replication so it would be trivial to have multiple site instances in different hosting centers | 11:28 |
| timelyx | should be... :) | 11:28 |
| wumpus | nokia? | 11:28 |
| bergie | Rocketman: nope, single server running bugzilla, midgard, gforge, ... | 11:28 |
| Rocketman | Nokia, a multibillion dollar company | 11:29 |
| timelyx | wumpus: it doesn't work that way | 11:29 |
| wumpus | thought so | 11:29 |
| timelyx | lots of divisions... small allocations | 11:29 |
| Rocketman | Well, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the dev community who add a lot of value to their products | 11:30 |
| bergie | later, guys... hopefully the servers come up all right :-) | 11:30 |
| milhouse | thanks bergie | 11:30 |
| timelyx | Rocketman: you're preaching to the choir | 11:30 |
| wumpus | anyway, imo you can't complain too much about something being free, most of the time it *is* avaibble | 11:30 |
| timelyx | none of whom have any control over the pursestrings | 11:30 |
| bergie | I'm meeting Quim today so I can talk to him about these things | 11:30 |
| timelyx | bergie: private or open? | 11:31 |
| bergie | timelyx: mostly a sprint to close some remaining enhancement reqs :-) | 11:31 |
| timelyx | i wonder if most of them are mine :) | 11:32 |
| timelyx | bergie: btw, who controls DNS? is it basically ferenc? | 11:32 |
| timelyx | ooh | 11:33 |
| timelyx | i bet i can be moderately evil | 11:33 |
| timelyx | that could be fun | 11:33 |
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| bergie | timelyx: I'll be in Ruoholahti in about 40mins, and will be in Ferenc's room if you want to chat | 11:34 |
| timelyx | ok, i'll grab lunch and try to drop by | 11:34 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:40 |
| dpb_ | morning | 11:41 |
| lardman | derf: can I pick your Tremor brain | 11:41 |
| lardman | dpb_: hi | 11:41 |
| lardman | or tremoring brain perhaps... :) | 11:41 |
| lardman | or indeed anyone with experience of tremor? | 11:44 |
| lardman | ov_open_callbacks() to be exact, in the callbacks.read_func function, there are a few parameters -> void *ptr, size_t byteSize, size_t sizeToRead | 11:45 |
| lardman | I'm wondering why there's both a size and length to read | 11:45 |
| lardman | and what units byteSize is in | 11:45 |
| lardman | looks like the standard callback is directly mapped to fread() | 11:50 |
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| sikahakki | wonder what is user passwd in os2007 couldn' change it thou | 11:52 |
| lardman | kulve: you about? | 11:53 |
| dpb_ | sikahakki: I don't think the user has a password set | 11:53 |
| sikahakki | dpb_: but couldn't ssh into device | 11:54 |
| lardman | sikahakki: ssh as root | 11:54 |
| sikahakki | ok, with empty passwd? | 11:55 |
| lardman | pass=rootme | 11:55 |
| sikahakki | thanks | 11:55 |
| lardman | np | 11:57 |
| kulve | lardman: pong | 11:57 |
| lardman | kulve: I was going to pick your brain about whether alloca() was implemented for Speex | 11:58 |
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| lardman | kulve: but since then, I've found the slab implementation I was using before, so I'll patch that in | 11:58 |
| kulve | alloca()..? The speex' memory handling for c55 is quite simple.. | 11:58 |
| lardman | tremor uses alloca() for short term allocations | 11:59 |
| lardman | the slab code I have uses two buffers, one for normal allocations and another for these alloca ones, and then clears the whole buffer when the function returns | 12:00 |
| lardman | whole alloca buffer that should read | 12:02 |
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| rothiel | H guys :) | 12:05 |
| lardman | time to go to work, bbiab | 12:06 |
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| bergie | ok, maemo.org seems to be up, other services still down | 12:25 |
| bergie | ah, seems to have been premature, back down | 12:27 |
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| sikahakki | wonder why os2007 keeps 6000/tcp open X11 ? | 12:30 |
| wumpus | sikahakki: I believe that was fixed in a newer release | 12:32 |
| wumpus | X was started without -nolisten | 12:32 |
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| sikahakki | wumpus: ah, ok | 12:34 |
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| * lardman enjoys a bacon sandwich :) | 12:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mayonnaise? | 12:42 |
| lardman | oh yes and lettuce and tomato in a nice granary baguette | 12:43 |
| lardman | for a bargain £2 | 12:43 |
| lardman | at least some things are still cheap at uni | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds good | 12:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants a BLT | 12:43 | |
| lardman | I'm tempted to go get another and enjoy it for you | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:44 |
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| ashura | i want one of those too | 12:44 |
| lardman|afk | (not getting another BLT though :( ) | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to buy bread | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and bacon | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and lettuce and tomato | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I have the mayonnaise! | 12:45 |
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| toresbe | I thought the media player supported mpeg 4 video? | 12:57 |
| jeddy3 | so, what is your opinions, upgrade to os2008? :) | 12:57 |
| toresbe | does it have to be in any particular container? | 12:57 |
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| felipec | toresbe: it does support it | 13:01 |
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| felipec | toresbe: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/multimedia_architecture.html | 13:02 |
| felipec | toresbe: you can use avi and 3gp | 13:05 |
| toresbe | not the native mp4 container, or MPEG TS? | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | .mp4 works fine over here. | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no real reason not to use .avi, though. | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | TS is MPEG2, no? | 13:06 |
| toresbe | yes | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then why are you asking? :) | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of COURSE it can't handle MPEG2. | 13:07 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, mp4 what is that h.264? | 13:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | h.264, or mpeg4 | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use avi on almost everything, though. | 13:07 |
| toresbe | GeneralAntilles: wtf!? that's not an "of course"! It's a de facto standard! | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | MPEG2 . .. | 13:07 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, speaking of which, have you tried h.264 on device? | 13:07 |
| toresbe | that's like saying 'Of *COURSE* that web browser can't handle HTML files.' | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | MPEG2 is incredibly processor intensive. | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeddy3, works fine for the very small stuff. | 13:08 |
| toresbe | What? No! | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're better off with divx right now. | 13:08 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, very small stuff? resolution wise? | 13:08 |
| toresbe | mpeg4 is immesurably more processor-intensive than mpeg2! | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, toresbe, and that's why most computers do hardware MPEG4 decoding. :\ | 13:09 |
| toresbe | mine doesn't | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | MPEG2 is absolutely ungainly, anyway. | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would you want to use it as a compression format on your mobile device? | 13:09 |
| * toresbe facepalms | 13:09 | |
| toresbe | *I* don't. Millions of others do. | 13:10 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, i tried yesterday with a sample clip in mencoder and x264 to 320x240, and it did not work...barely att all | 13:10 |
| toresbe | That's why I want the player to support it. | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | In mplayer on Media player, jeddy3? | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | toresbe, MPEG2 is for two things: DVDs and HDTV | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is _not_ appropriate for a mobile device. | 13:10 |
| toresbe | GeneralAntilles: that's plain BS | 13:10 |
| toresbe | GeneralAntilles: btw, Norway is using MPEG4 for the terrestrial HDTV broadcasts. | 13:11 |
| toresbe | GeneralAntilles: discussing the relative merit of a de facto standard when discussing a player is pointless. The point is, it's a de facto standard. A player should be able to play it. | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | A PMP of some sort, perhaps | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | they have HARDWARE decoders | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know if you recall the introduction of DVDs to the desktop | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | but all machines back then did hardware decoding | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because a 400MHz CPU just can't handle MPEG2. :) | 13:13 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, mplayer, and also mediaplayer eventhough i knew it would not work in os 2007 :) | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer handles h.264 like shit. ;) | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Media player does a passable job on small stuff under OS2008. | 13:14 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, ah, that maybe explains it :) | 13:15 |
| toresbe | 12:12 < GeneralAntilles> they have HARDWARE decoders | 13:15 |
| toresbe | so does an N800 | 13:15 |
| toresbe | 12:13 < GeneralAntilles> Because a 400MHz CPU just can't handle MPEG2. :) | 13:15 |
| wumpus | huh? it does, toresbe ? | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The IVA chip, technically | 13:15 |
| toresbe | not at full PAL, when it has to handle I/O as well | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | but there's no way to use it. | 13:15 |
| toresbe | GeneralAntilles: I thought it was used for MP3 and MP4. | 13:15 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, and i know h.264 is maybe a little on the upper limit for n800/n810 processor, but n810 specs says it handles it, so i thought i try :) | 13:15 |
| wumpus | if there is no way to use it, then you can just as well consider it not to be there | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The DSP is used for AUDIO decoding | 13:16 |
| wumpus | yes, DSP is used for autio only, it cannot access the screen | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only in OS2008, jeddy3. | 13:16 |
| toresbe | oh, OK | 13:16 |
| jeddy3 | if it can do h.264 that would be all that i need, and very sweet :) | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | PowerVR + IVA = win | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad we can't use them. | 13:16 |
| wumpus | if that is your specific requirement, then n800 is not the good choice | 13:16 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, ok, kindoff figured, that would have been my next bet | 13:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's there, more or less, but you're going to get better quality out of mpeg4. | 13:17 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, but since download locations for 2008beta seems to be down right now... :P | 13:17 |
| mariorz | man visor for ox is pure win | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, recent discovery, mariorz? | 13:18 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, youre last reply for me? | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I found that just after I had installed leopard. | 13:18 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, about mpeg4 and quality | 13:18 |
| mariorz | yeah today, had been user the iterm widget | 13:18 |
| mariorz | so much better this | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quality versus dropped frames. ;) | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's pretty sweet, mariorz. Gotta love that Alcor follow. | 13:19 |
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| mariorz | yeah <· quicksilver too | 13:19 |
| jeddy3 | everyone? os2008 vs os2007, time for upgrade? :) | 13:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I'd wait for the final, jeddy3. | 13:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's less than two weeks away. | 13:20 |
| jeddy3 | btw, after reading every review about n800 and os2007 being so SLOW...i was positively surprised! | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not much point in wiping everything now to just have to do it again for the final. | 13:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's called "unrealistic expectations". ;) | 13:20 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, got it yesterday, not much to wipe :) | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but you'll have to do it again for final. | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just don't get yourself built up too much now. | 13:21 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, oh thats true | 13:21 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, how come? :) | 13:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 'Cause you're gonna have to nuke it in two weeks. ;) | 13:22 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, ah :D | 13:22 |
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| jeddy3 | i realise this device is not anything everyone have the need for, but being the nerd i am this could be my new life companion =), it hasn't left my side a minute since yesterday afternoon | 13:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be sure to check out maemo mapper, FBReader, and Doom if you haven't. | 13:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | and sign yourself up at jablet.net if you use AIM/MSN/Yahoo/ICQ/etc. | 13:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeddy3: don't even get me started. ;) | 13:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, my 770 even got me a date one time. :D | 13:27 |
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| jeddy3 | surfing in the livingroom on evening, managing files on fileserver (xterm+ssh+midning commander ftw)+listening to local music while walking to train, streaming internet music while sitting at work...it goes on :) | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you checked out mmpc? | 13:28 |
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| jeddy3 | ah, for mpd, sweet! | 13:29 |
| mariorz | GeneralAntilles: mmpc+mpd is awesome man, thanks for that tip | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got it on all 3 of my maemo devices here. | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Control from any room in the apartment. :D | 13:29 |
| mariorz | nice! | 13:30 |
| jeddy3 | maybe GF will even be joined in front of TV here on after, win/win situation xD | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just wish there were an mpd -> iTunes transceiver. | 13:30 |
| mariorz | GeneralAntilles: how would that work? | 13:31 |
| sikahakki | can I set os2007 behave like "normal" linux asking username and passwd? | 13:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Have mpd pass commands to iTunes using AppleScript or something. | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure I could set up a script | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I'd rather somebody else have done it for me. ;) | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, sikahakki. | 13:32 |
| mariorz | but like what commands? | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo isn't really designed as a multi-user system. | 13:33 |
| sikahakki | ok | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Play/paus forward/back, etc. | 13:33 |
| mariorz | instead of using mpd to play the tines directly? | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I could be listening to music at my computer | 13:33 |
| sikahakki | used to use familiar which act pretty much like pc-linux | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | then go into the bedroom or something | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | it cycles to a song I don't like, and I can use the 770 there to skip | 13:34 |
| mariorz | why would that be bette? im happy not to have to load itunes on my ibook g4 :P | 13:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got plenty of RAM on my G5. | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | So iTunes is always open. ;) | 13:34 |
| mariorz | heh | 13:34 |
| mariorz | the one thing i want is a way to make mpd jive with audioscrobbler, tough i believe ther are scripts for that | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there are scripts. | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suppose I could download one of the OS X mpd clients and use that | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it kinda lacks the Spit-Polish of iTunes. | 13:36 |
| mariorz | why not use the tablet for all music related controls, thats what im doing | 13:36 |
| mariorz | mpc for quick pass maybe | 13:37 |
| mariorz | pause | 13:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've got menuet and Quicksilver setup for system-wide iTunes control. | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | So control-shift-left/right/space | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is iTunes back/forward/play/pause | 13:38 |
| mariorz | what about setting up quicksilver for mpc instead | 13:38 |
| mariorz | i think ill do that | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | control-shift-s is shuffle, and control-shift-f brings up a QS prompt with the searchable library. | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder if there's an mpd script for growl | 13:39 |
| mariorz | oh yea cant beat the library on quicksilver | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really makes it easy to control playback in games and whatnot. | 13:40 |
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| lardman | any image analysis experts here? | 13:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What, http://www.hotornot.com/, lardman? :P | 13:58 |
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| lardman | lol, I'd forgotten about that | 13:58 |
| lardman | no, more along the lines of computational difficulty of various image resizing schemes | 13:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're hard. | 13:59 |
| lardman | I was wondering whether it can be done in the frequency domain, and if so, whether there are any advantages to doing so | 13:59 |
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| lardman | this is for a framebuffer sink, so not a completely random question | 14:03 |
| wumpus | I'm sure scaling in the frequency domain is possible, you might even do 'perfect' sinc interpolation | 14:05 |
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| rothiel | Hi guys... I need to play a video within the game I make | 14:07 |
| rothiel | but ffmpeg isn't compatible wih the N800 | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer? | 14:07 |
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| rothiel | how ? the video must be read inside the game | 14:08 |
| _berto_ | rothiel: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/multimedia_architecture.html | 14:09 |
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| _berto_ | have a look at the 'Video' section | 14:09 |
| rothiel | thx I check that | 14:09 |
| lardman | wumpus: depends how long it takes to do though | 14:09 |
| BuckWild | can you install OS 2007 apps on OS 2008? | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends, BuckWild. | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | 99% of the console-only stuff will work | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | but there's been a lot of breaks in the GUI APIs | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | So those wont work. | 14:10 |
| BuckWild | does mplayer work? | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been updated, yes. | 14:10 |
| BuckWild | alright, sweet | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo extras-devel | 14:10 |
| BuckWild | thanks | 14:10 |
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| pupnik | what's the prospects for a noscript and noflash functionality for microb? | 14:16 |
| pupnik | i'm using noscript/noflash on browser on PC and it's fixed most of the stability/speed problems | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would guess it would be fairly straightforward to do. | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's out of my realm. | 14:17 |
| pupnik | Hey GeneralAntilles, nice sunglasses :) | 14:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oakley . . . pft Optometrists are the way to go. | 14:18 |
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| alterego | I'm suprised no one has pointed that guy trying to install libgtkmozembed to the microb building instructions .. | 14:55 |
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| pupnik | ? | 14:56 |
| alterego | On the mailing list. | 14:57 |
| alterego | There are clear instructions on the microb garage website .. Which he obviously hasn't found :) | 14:57 |
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| * halley always feels weird when mailing list topics are discussed in IRC as if everyone is plugged in. | 15:00 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I don't pay any attention, either, halley. | 15:00 |
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| tweg | If anyone is interested: http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/12/05/exaile-for-maemo-40-os2008/ | 15:13 |
| alterego | There's occasionally good stuff on the mailing list. And it's a good place to help the newbies./ | 15:17 |
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| Tak | meh, why is so much maemo software written in python? | 15:20 |
| vegai | instead of? | 15:20 |
| inz | C | 15:20 |
| vegai | and: it is? | 15:20 |
| alterego | Tak, because you've not written anything in Ruby yet :P | 15:21 |
| alterego | ruby-maemo has desktop plugins .. Use 'em :P | 15:21 |
| vegai | think of the memory! Won't anyone think of the memory!? | 15:21 |
| * vegai sobs uncontrollably. | 15:21 | |
| alterego | Delete Python, install Ruby | 15:21 |
| alterego | Seriously though. Who do you know that's run out of memory? | 15:22 |
| Tak | I love ruby, but I probably wouldn't write anything for the device in it. | 15:22 |
| Tak | I have. | 15:22 |
| Tak | not unless it proves to be significantly less resource-intensive in general than python is. | 15:22 |
| vegai | Me too... then again, I was doing some freaky things at the time :P | 15:22 |
| alterego | I've not done any benchmarks. I probably should though. | 15:23 |
| Tak | yeah | 15:23 |
| vegai | it? Ruby? | 15:23 |
| tweg | won't anybody think of the development time! :-P | 15:23 |
| vegai | developers' sanity is cheaper than users' | 15:24 |
| tweg | this was just a quick port so that I had something that could play ogg vorbis with easy to make playlists. Just scratching my own itch. | 15:24 |
| tweg | Pay me if you want it in C. :-P | 15:24 |
| Tak | yes, where it == ruby | 15:25 |
| alterego | I sit somewhere in the middle. I write ruby extensions in C for my applications when I need to optimize certain things. | 15:25 |
| jeddy3|lunch | has anyone tried twonkymedia for upnp with canola? | 15:25 |
| alterego | Or interface with a library that is already in the system. | 15:25 |
| Tak | I blame developers (I'm a developer) for punishing users for their laziness | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd recommend against it, jeddy3|lunch. It's pretty much garbage. | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works, but it's garbage. | 15:26 |
| alterego | Yeah, there's a lot of garbage around. | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Developers are people, too. | 15:26 |
| alterego | Speak for yourself. I'm an angry dwarf. | 15:26 |
| * Tak half-orc | 15:27 | |
| alterego | I'm an angry dwarf that hasn't been paid yet >:( | 15:27 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 15:28 |
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| Tak | oops, crap | 15:29 |
| Tak | somebody cross-posted a question to like 10 lists, and I didn't notice when I replied-all | 15:29 |
| Tak | alterego: you raise a semi-good point, though - I should package and release the rubygame vkb | 15:30 |
| alterego | Well, I'm a semi-good developer :) | 15:31 |
| Tak | :-P | 15:32 |
| Tak | is anybody here Kimmo Jukarainen? | 15:32 |
| rip_ | will I get paid if thats my name ? | 15:33 |
| rip_ | I can pretend | 15:33 |
| dpb_ | lol | 15:34 |
| alterego | #Hah | 15:34 |
| alterego | I need money too! | 15:34 |
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| alterego | I'm supposed to go Christmas shopping tomorrow :/ | 15:34 |
| rocketman | Anyone have instructions for getting A2DP to work on an N810? | 15:34 |
| Khertan | It s me ... gimme the monney :) | 15:34 |
| dpb_ | Oh yeah, christmas shopping.. wonder when I have time for that.. | 15:34 |
| rip_ | I would love money ;) but I couldn't code to save my life :p so developing is out for me | 15:34 |
| vegai | well... ruby's main stable implementation is known to be rather slow, even for a dynamic language | 15:35 |
| rocketman | I saw some instructions about editing the audio.conf file in /etc/bluetooth/ | 15:35 |
| alterego | rocketman, send me your N810 and I'll write you some. | 15:35 |
| vegai | python is rather wasteful as well. I wouldn't think either to be a good choice for an embedded device | 15:35 |
| rocketman | but it was kinda vague about what lines I was supposed to add/subtract | 15:35 |
| alterego | vegai, it's not _that_ slow. But yes, it doesn't have a VM yet. | 15:35 |
| alterego | Ruby 2.0 does and that's out soon :) | 15:35 |
| alterego | And I've already started work on ruby2.0-maemo :) | 15:35 |
| Khertan | "python is rather wasteful as well" << | 15:36 |
| Khertan | Heretic | 15:36 |
| Khertan | !!! | 15:36 |
| vegai | so burn me | 15:36 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:36 |
| * Tak corroborate the heresy | 15:36 | |
| alterego | "Wasteful", "Embedded Device". You realise that the N8X0's are more powerful than most desktop machines 8 years ago :P | 15:36 |
| pupnik | http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/insider/toolsSDKs/KhronosOpenGLES2xSGX/ PowerVR SDK | 15:37 |
| alterego | If it runs, and it runs well I don't think anyone should care how it's written. | 15:37 |
| fysa | more everything than my poor old amiga | 15:37 |
| vegai | and much more powerful than desktop machines 20 years ago, and yet those desktop machines managed to solve about the same problems | 15:37 |
| vegai | miraculous, is it not :-P | 15:37 |
| Tak | 300MHz arm9 isn't really comparable to 300MHz P2 | 15:38 |
| fysa | but the amiga felt snappier ;) | 15:38 |
| Khertan | "python is rather wasteful as well." It can be true, it's mainly depends on developers who use it. | 15:38 |
| derf | alterego: I just find it vastly amusing that we can't have a _real_ shell and _real_ utilities, but have to put up with busybox, but I have to install 8+MB of crap for a Python interpreter all for one 50-line program. | 15:38 |
| alterego | derf, you don't _have_ to :P | 15:38 |
| rocketman | Anybody here has played around with a2dp on OS 2008? | 15:38 |
| vegai | hmm, can you run vice on maemo? | 15:38 |
| derf | True. I don't _have_ to use busybox, either. | 15:38 |
| vegai | that would be a nice upgrade :-P | 15:39 |
| derf | Except that when I changed user's shell, I bricked the device. | 15:39 |
| rip_ | isn't bash available for the N8x0 series ? | 15:39 |
| Tak | derf: I agree | 15:39 |
| alterego | Well, I created ruby-maemo so _I_ could hack programs for myself, in a language I like to use. I intend to advertise and show off programs I eventually get time to write. But it's up to you as a user to decide whether you want to use it. | 15:40 |
| alterego | Currently Ruby-Maemo's install size is 7M | 15:40 |
| vegai | and runtime memory consumption? | 15:40 |
| alterego | Who knows ;) | 15:40 |
| alterego | Hang on .. I'll check. | 15:41 |
| Veggen | gah. | 15:41 |
| alterego | Well, my ruby desktop applet doesn't seem to show up. | 15:41 |
| Veggen | I hate cell-phones and wap and stuff. | 15:41 |
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| Khertan | deef > alterego you have binding for ruby to make desktop applet ? | 15:42 |
| Khertan | arg ... i ll retry ... | 15:42 |
| Veggen | alterego: Installed ruby-maemo monday, btw. Not had time to play too much with it, yet. I need to learn gtk etc ;) | 15:42 |
| Khertan | alterego> you have binding for ruby to make desktop applet ? | 15:42 |
| rip_ | can anyone answer this whats the real difference between , cifs and smbfs ? | 15:42 |
| alterego | Khertan, yeah. ruby-maemo 0.4.0 has support for all kinds of desktop plugins. Statusbar, home and navigator. | 15:43 |
| rip_ | buggerd if I can find a real answer on google | 15:43 |
| Khertan | RAHhhyhhhhhh !!!! Why binding for python isn't yet available !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 15:43 |
| derf | There's a bunch of minor differences. | 15:43 |
| Khertan | i've many applet in progress but i m waiting for the binding !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 15:43 |
| derf | smbfs is the "old and deprecated" and has a number of bugs that will never be fixed. | 15:43 |
| Khertan | I want it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 15:43 |
| Khertan | (ok i stop ...) | 15:43 |
| * Tak confiscates Khertan's ! | 15:43 | |
| rip_ | i've just noticed cifs on the N800 is disgustingly slow | 15:43 |
| alterego | Defect, join the ruby-maemo camp :P | 15:44 |
| derf | (like, for example, argument parsing of -o mount options from /etc/fstab is totally broken) | 15:44 |
| Khertan | join the ruby-maemo camp> oh no ! my god !! Not that ! | 15:44 |
| rip_ | so cifs is the new implementation of smbfs ? | 15:45 |
| derf | cifs on the other hand is missing some things, like for example I've never quite been able to get character set conversions to work correctly, which is what I was trying to use the mount options for in the first place. | 15:45 |
| alterego | The only good thing I've seen in Python is Canola .. | 15:46 |
| Khertan | alterego > pffff ... and PyGTKEditor ? :) | 15:46 |
| rip_ | ahh ok cheers | 15:46 |
| alterego | Oh great, a syntax highlighting text editor on a touch screen device .. Very practical :P | 15:46 |
| Khertan | alterego > ukmp too :) | 15:46 |
| alterego | I don't like ukmp | 15:46 |
| derf | I think the main difference is that with smbfs, if your connection drops, you can deadlock (unkillable) any process using files on a share, while cifs seems to handle this more gracefully. | 15:46 |
| Khertan | i don't like canola ;) | 15:46 |
| alterego | Canola is the only python program on maemo I've actually thought was any good. | 15:47 |
| Khertan | Canola, i hate it, too much ressource eating ... | 15:47 |
| Khertan | start a webserver ... | 15:47 |
| rip_ | well, the new version looks sweet | 15:47 |
| Khertan | and an other daemon to index file | 15:47 |
| alterego | PyGTKEditor is useless IMO (maybe a bit more useful with a real keyboard), UKMP and others are just very immature. | 15:47 |
| rip_ | of canola | 15:48 |
| Khertan | rip_> yes the next version seems to be great | 15:48 |
| Tak | I thought python was in C? | 15:48 |
| Tak | err, wtf | 15:48 |
| Tak | I thought Canola was in C? | 15:48 |
| rip_ | I liked the look of the first version, but it did suck how it used the inbuilt media player to play movies | 15:48 |
| alterego | I'm talking about the new version. | 15:48 |
| Tak | ah | 15:49 |
| rip_ | I couldn't play squat | 15:49 |
| Khertan | alterego> the new version ... is it released ? | 15:49 |
| alterego | No | 15:49 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:49 |
| alterego | Is the N810? :P | 15:49 |
| Khertan | but s interface look beautifull | 15:49 |
| alterego | Yes, it's very creative. | 15:49 |
| Khertan | i ve try modest ... and it s a really good embedded imap client ! | 15:50 |
| * Khertan is searching for great python app ... | 15:50 | |
| alterego | Khertan, ha .. Good luck :P | 15:51 |
| Khertan | alterego > is there some application coded in ruby wich is available ? | 15:51 |
| alterego | No, not really. | 15:51 |
| alterego | I'm not sure anyone has released a ruby-maemo app yet. | 15:51 |
| Khertan | arf | 15:51 |
| alterego | Not properly. | 15:51 |
| Veggen | alterego: I only played a little with your examples, but not much yet. | 15:51 |
| jeddy3|lunch | GeneralAntilles, you have any other idea of a good upnp server...they don't excactly grow on trees for linux :) | 15:52 |
| alterego | Veggen, yeah. That's the way to do it :) | 15:52 |
| vegai | it's just... when I run the whole test set of this rails application, I feel like I'm in the 90's, compiling a huge project... | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | aflegg's mediaserv isn't UPnP, but it works really well. | 15:52 |
| Khertan | Ermining ... a other good app for maemo :) | 15:52 |
| jeddy3|lunch | GeneralAntilles, daap? | 15:52 |
| Tak | heh, I have an xchat plugin in ruby, but I'm waiting for an xchat release with plugins enabled before I release it | 15:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 15:53 |
| alterego | What has rails got to do with Maemo? | 15:53 |
| Khertan | I ve four desktop plugin to release (IP, Weather, NetUse,DiskUse) but i m waiting for python binding ... | 15:53 |
| Khertan | Tak > :) | 15:53 |
| * alterego steals Khertan's idea and implements it in Ruby | 15:54 | |
| alterego | Muahahaha | 15:54 |
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| rocketman | I would love some actually useful desktop plugins | 15:54 |
| rip_ | give Geexbox's UPNP server a go | 15:54 |
| rip_ | its called 'Ushare' | 15:54 |
| rocketman | I really miss IPhome | 15:54 |
| rip_ | works for me | 15:54 |
| rip_ | only problem is it doesn't transcode | 15:55 |
| Tak | what's a good name for a rubygame-based vkb? | 15:55 |
| * Khertan ll use a make a new package with PyPackager which install a script in initrc 'find / -name *ruby* -exec "rm -rf $1" | 15:55 | |
| alterego | rgvkb ? | 15:55 |
| rip_ | if you could merge afleggs mediaserv and Ushare id be happy :p | 15:55 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, aah, those utils! yes i read about them a couple of days ago also...thanks | 15:56 |
| Khertan | alterego > but mine we ll be better ! The user ll doesn't have to reinstall it at each reboot :) | 15:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, what have I started . . . I bitch about people not starting new threads for questions that have already been asked, so now they're PMing me. :\ | 15:57 |
| alterego | Khertan, erm. That wouldn't happen with mine either? Why would it? | 15:57 |
| Tak | "Done any work with SDL?" "You mean as in pygame?" | 15:58 |
| * Tak cries | 15:58 | |
| alterego | As it goes, ruby-maemo's support for desktop plugins is stable. | 15:58 |
| jeddy3 | :P | 15:58 |
| Khertan | alterego > it s a joke read a few line before :) | 15:58 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, sorry for bothering you GeneralAntilles | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 15:58 |
| alterego | Oh, very funny :P | 15:58 |
| alterego | sed 's/ruby/\//g' khertans_plugin.py | 15:59 |
| alterego | You just try that :P | 15:59 |
| solmumaha | rip_: mediatomb supports transcoding | 16:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:00 |
| Tak | on a semi-related note, is it possible to make plugins for metalayer-crawler? | 16:00 |
| Khertan | Tak > i hope not ! it bugged enough ! | 16:00 |
| solmumaha | it should be possible to use tablet-encode with it | 16:01 |
| Khertan | Huhuhuh ? | 16:01 |
| Khertan | my tablet has just reboot ? | 16:01 |
| Khertan | without reason ... | 16:01 |
| Khertan | it s the four or five times since the os2008 | 16:01 |
| alterego | Khertan, you have Python installed don't you? | 16:01 |
| vegai | there's always a reason... | 16:01 |
| Tak | heh, I just had to flash mine out of infinite reboot again | 16:02 |
| Khertan | does someone know something about this ? | 16:02 |
| jjo | feature | 16:02 |
| alterego | I've not had any problems with it at all. | 16:02 |
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| Khertan | (at each reboot too i ve metalayer which eat all cpu for 3 or 4 minutes and touchscreen is useless) | 16:03 |
| Khertan | i think there is too many mp3 file on the sd card | 16:03 |
| Khertan | alterego > i think it s since i ve installed ruby | 16:04 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:04 |
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| alterego | You haven't installed ruby | 16:04 |
| Khertan | i ve ... on 2007 :) | 16:04 |
| felipec | Tak: there's a plugin for GStreamer... that's not enough? | 16:04 |
| Tak | for...? | 16:06 |
| pupnik | hehe @ Tak | 16:06 |
| pupnik | maemo.org down again. always feels like *I* broke it | 16:07 |
| alterego | Probably because it is you :P | 16:07 |
| * alterego blames pupnik | 16:07 | |
| red-zack | lol | 16:07 |
| Khertan | Khertan blames pupnik | 16:07 |
| * Khertan blames pupnik | 16:07 | |
| Khertan | (ggrrrr stupid windows touch ... grrr) | 16:07 |
| * pupnik skulks to the corner | 16:08 | |
| * pupnik has to install winXP to recover someone else's ipod nano :( :( | 16:09 | |
| * Khertan think it can be done with wine ... | 16:10 | |
| pupnik | didn't work here :/ | 16:11 |
| Tak | meh - http://rafb.net/p/1dRJ3J92.html | 16:11 |
| * Khertan remembering doing this for his own first generation ipod | 16:11 | |
| alterego | $$ is PID right? | 16:11 |
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| felipec | Tak: metalayer-crawler plugin | 16:13 |
| Khertan | someone have already see lucasr from gnome blog here ? | 16:13 |
| Khertan | !seen | 16:13 |
| Khertan | _monkey ? | 16:13 |
| Khertan | _monkey is dead ? | 16:14 |
| Tak | finally! | 16:15 |
| Tak | felipec: ah - I was thinking a way for all of maemo's media players to leverage the results of the metalayer-crawling without having 50 separate daemons all crawling the flash and indexing the contents | 16:16 |
| vegai | I thought they did | 16:17 |
| vegai | huh. | 16:17 |
| derf | I don't understand why anyone needs any deamons crawling anything. | 16:17 |
| derf | If I wanted my media player to know about some media, I'd tell it. | 16:18 |
| Khertan | Tak > i don't hope ... a daemon for crawling is a stupid idea i think | 16:18 |
| derf | Khertan: Exactly. | 16:18 |
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| Tak | heh...but every MP has one | 16:18 |
| Tak | I blame iTunes | 16:18 |
| Khertan | not all | 16:18 |
| derf | Tak: I know. I don't understand why. | 16:18 |
| Khertan | iTune don't have | 16:18 |
| Khertan | there is a itune daemon for ipod ... but not for crawling | 16:19 |
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| Khertan | ukmp doesn't use a daemon | 16:20 |
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| Tak | a manually launched scanner is the same thing IMO | 16:20 |
| derf | Well, no, it's not as bad. I can choose to never launch it. | 16:21 |
| vegai | Tak: indeed, the media things seem to be heavily influnenced by mac players | 16:21 |
| Tak | grr, how do I tell apt to quit trying to upgrade those packages? | 16:21 |
| Khertan | amarok doen't seem to use one too | 16:21 |
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| Khertan | Tak > no ... it's doesn't eat cpu/mem when it's not needed | 16:22 |
| Tak | heh...but it's /never/ needed | 16:22 |
| derf | _Some_ users must use it. Presumably. | 16:22 |
| Khertan | Heretic !!!!!! | 16:24 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:24 |
| vegai | You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. | 16:25 |
| sikahakki | after adding few repositories, just maemo and maemo-hackers and so, browser doesn't work anymore, collapse on startup, any idea where to get working browser for os2007? gecko, dillo, or links2 would be fine if found somewhere? | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | inconceivable! | 16:25 |
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| rocketman | I can't stand the crawler either, so I disabled it | 16:26 |
| felipec | isn't it a game from the 90's? Heretic | 16:28 |
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| rocketman | Yeah, Heretic and Hexen were games built on IDs engines | 16:28 |
| pupnik | crawlers aren't so bad - indexing files speeds up user experience - if done right | 16:28 |
| rocketman | with a medieval swords and magic type them | 16:28 |
| GNUton | Hey guys! | 16:29 |
| GNUton | N810 is avaible on spain online shop! | 16:29 |
| vegai | has metalayer-crawler always been that slow? | 16:29 |
| rocketman | that "if done right" is a big caveat | 16:29 |
| GNUton | http://tienda.nokia.es/nokia-es/product.aspx?sku=3752621 | 16:29 |
| rocketman | as metalayer-crawler is definately the wrong way about it | 16:29 |
| vegai | can you wager a guess what it does wrong? | 16:30 |
| Khertan | GNUton> great news ! | 16:31 |
| rocketman | Runs all the time | 16:31 |
| vegai | really? Also when nothing changes? | 16:31 |
| vegai | in the filesystem, I mean | 16:31 |
| rocketman | and can easily get caught in an infinite loop recursively indexing the filesystem | 16:31 |
| Khertan | RobAtWork> definitly | 16:31 |
| Khertan | arg wrong indent | 16:31 |
| Tak | iirc they fixed the filesystem loop bug | 16:31 |
| Khertan | rocketman > definitly | 16:31 |
| GNUton | Khertan: :) | 16:31 |
| rocketman | and has really high CPU load when actively running | 16:32 |
| Khertan | Tak > but it still hang up when launched for 3 or 4 minutes | 16:32 |
| rocketman | it absolutely pukes on maemo mapper cache | 16:32 |
| vegai | do many applications depend on it? | 16:32 |
| rocketman | Depend, no, but it generates the media lists for the media player | 16:33 |
| Khertan | GNUton are you french ? (your pseudo is pretty near of an other french argo word) | 16:33 |
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| rocketman | 12 MB of ram is an aweful waste for something that could be generated on demand | 16:33 |
| rocketman | Everybody see that Exaile is now available for OS 2008? Awesome! | 16:34 |
| rocketman | Now there is a music player I can love | 16:34 |
| Khertan | vegai > i don't think ... osso-media-player... | 16:34 |
| GNUton | Khertan: no, i'm italian :) | 16:34 |
| Khertan | Exaile ... don't know | 16:34 |
| vegai | then it'd probably be a good idea to remove both of them | 16:35 |
| Tak | rocketman: yeah, that's what launched me into my "WTF is everything in python" rant | 16:35 |
| Khertan | Product not found. still not available in france | 16:36 |
| rocketman | Yeah, it isn't exactly the fastest, but gets the job done without a lot of flash | 16:36 |
| Khertan | ouch the desktop version of exaile seems great | 16:37 |
| vegai | well... that too is another iTunes clone | 16:37 |
| Khertan | vegai > but why reinvent the wheel when this wheel is near perfect ? | 16:37 |
| vegai | Khertan: some sort of middle-management thing is probably the reason. | 16:38 |
| vegai | or upper- | 16:38 |
| vegai | where 'thing' equals 'incompetence' | 16:38 |
| Khertan | vegai > Yes, it s why there are so many clone with few differences ... :) | 16:38 |
| Fatal | goals, management, direction | 16:38 |
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| Khertan | to content everyone :) | 16:39 |
| vegai | Exaile doesn't do video, though, does it? | 16:39 |
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| pupnik | what is exaile for? | 16:39 |
| Khertan | hum ... gui isn't well designed for a small device ... | 16:39 |
| Khertan | of course it s not the goal | 16:40 |
| pupnik | oh music manager | 16:40 |
| Khertan | http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/12/05/exaile-for-maemo-40-os2008/ | 16:40 |
| vegai | I'd probably just install musicpd on the device and write my own UI | 16:40 |
| vegai | unless somebody did that passably already | 16:40 |
| Khertan | vegai> and what ui isn't passably for u | 16:40 |
| Khertan | ? | 16:40 |
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| vegai | http://musicpd.org/ that thing | 16:40 |
| pupnik | If you are in need of a player that handles Ogg Vorbis, m4a and mp3 (among others) on OS2008 and has decent playlist management features and you are willing to put up with a slightly slow and fat app then Exaile for maemo may be for you. | 16:40 |
| vegai | Khertan: if it is as good or better than what I can write, then it is passable :) | 16:41 |
| vegai | I suppose it can be little worse, too | 16:41 |
| Khertan | vegai > :) | 16:42 |
| Khertan | vegai> but i don't know many music player ... and i like itunes style ... but it's not the perfect gui ... so i'm open ... | 16:42 |
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| Khertan | and as you said is passable for u, i want to see what u use or like :) | 16:43 |
| vegai | mpd doesn't suit all, of course | 16:43 |
| Rust311 | Getting into dev for my nokia 810. Once sdk etc is setup, should I be able to apt-get source XXX anything that's pre-installed on the Nokia 810? There are a few stock apps I want to modify, and in once case bug fix... However a few things I'm not finding | 16:43 |
| Tak | iirc there's glurp for maemo | 16:43 |
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| jeddy3 | anyone using mediaserv here? | 16:43 |
| kulve | Rust311: stock apps are mostly closed source | 16:43 |
| Khertan | jeddy3 > no sorry | 16:43 |
| rip_ | solmumaha: the doco for Mediatomb says transcoding is a planed feature down the track ... | 16:43 |
| Khertan | jeddy3 > i would say not me ... sorry | 16:44 |
| vegai | anyone know if 3d hardware will be supported? | 16:44 |
| rocketman | Hey pupnik, are you still working on just a 770? | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I am, jeddy3. ;) | 16:44 |
| Rust311 | kulve: Thanks hmm I'm looking at modifying like osso-email osso-rss-feed-reader osso-wlan ... is there a simple way to determine what's closed | 16:44 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, hehe :) | 16:45 |
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| kulve | Rust311: not really. Email is closed (open source version is coming, afaik), rss is closed. What do you mean by osso-wlan? | 16:45 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, just one question: have you had any troubles with it? ...for me it launches webserver and encoder just fine, but it refuses to serv the encoded file | 16:46 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, clients just stall waiting for host upon asking for a videofile | 16:46 |
| sKaBoy | kulve, rss is not closed, there's the source.. but i've not tried to compile it | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd blame mencoder. | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, dunno. | 16:47 |
| kulve | sKaBoy: ah, ok. My mistake then | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've had all sorts of problems | 16:47 |
| Tak | heh, all the complaining about the rss app, and it's not closed, AND nobody's fixed it? | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | but they're all related to the fact that there's no decent mencoder binaries for OS X out there. | 16:47 |
| * Tak tsks | 16:47 | |
| Rust311 | kulve: Um I think there's an osso-wlan package. I want to improve the connection applet some wifi improvements , and also add packet injection patch to the wifi drivers | 16:47 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, mencoder seems to be fine, i thinks it boils down to something else...but thanks anyway | 16:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did you point it to tablet-encode? | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are we certain mencoder is starting fine? | 16:48 |
| kulve | Rust311: sorry, I don't know the details of those. The wifi driver is open, firmware is closed. | 16:49 |
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| Rust311 | kulve: okay thanks | 16:49 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > /whois kulve | 16:49 |
| Khertan | oups | 16:49 |
| rip_ | make sure tablet-encode is in your path, | 16:50 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, yes it launches i can see that if i keep the shell that spawned mediaserv process...it encodes the whole file and then exits | 16:50 |
| rip_ | and executable with chmod +x | 16:50 |
| rip_ | mines sitting in /usr/bin/ | 16:50 |
| kulve | Khertan: I'm me! | 16:50 |
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| Rust311 | I'll just keep trying to pull things down with apt, and try to see if all the source is there or if it's an interface or some such. Just be handy if there was a list of open/closed sources | 16:50 |
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| dpb_ | kulve: are you sure? | 16:50 |
| jeddy3 | tablet-encode IS launched, first problem was that i did not have it in path, but now it launches | 16:50 |
| kulve | dpb_: well, I'm never sure about anything.. | 16:51 |
| Khertan | kulve > yes but your pseudo mean something ... so i ve look at your host ... :) | 16:51 |
| Khertan | but you aren't the other kulve i know :) | 16:51 |
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| kulve | Khertan: the other kulve..? | 16:52 |
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| dpb_ | omg, kulve has a clone? | 16:52 |
| kulve | so it seems | 16:52 |
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| Khertan | yes an other one which play on the same enemy territory server as me :) | 16:54 |
| kulve | hmm.. I have same account in etqw and in irc.. | 16:55 |
| Rocketman | anyone else noticed really low max volume in apps on n810? | 16:56 |
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| Khertan | it's not etqw ... but et the first ! | 16:56 |
| kulve | Khertan: oh | 16:56 |
| Rocketman | not just a function of speakers, using headphones too | 16:56 |
| kulve | Rocketman: built-in apps, or 3rd party? | 16:56 |
| kulve | at least kilikali is unable to increase the volume in 2008 | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | Rocketman: have you maxxed both volume controls? | 16:56 |
| toresbe | oh ffs. | 16:57 |
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| toresbe | Is there a list of Media Player's supported video and audio codecs and container formats somewhere? | 16:57 |
| kulve | nokia.com/n800 | 16:57 |
| Rocketman | 3rd party | 16:57 |
| kulve | Rocketman: yep, it seems that some APIs has changed.. | 16:57 |
| Rocketman | I've noticed it in a few different apps | 16:58 |
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| Rust311 | Rocketman: I have 810 havent' found that at all, but all i've used is stock apps | 17:02 |
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| toresbe | this *should* be supported. Wonder why it won't work. Maybe VLC is emitting wrongness. | 17:05 |
| L0cutus | <rocketman> Everybody see that Exaile is now available for OS 2008? Awesome! | 17:06 |
| L0cutus | where ? | 17:06 |
| Rocketman | check the planet | 17:06 |
| Rocketman | links there | 17:06 |
| toresbe | Exaile? whatis? | 17:06 |
| Rocketman | audio player | 17:07 |
| Rocketman | Anyone know how to adjust keyboard backlikght timeout? | 17:08 |
| Rust311 | Rocketman: it's not in control panel? | 17:09 |
| gomiam | Rust311: it is, at least in OS2007 | 17:10 |
| pupnik | there is no backlit keyboard on N800 | 17:10 |
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| Rocketman | nothing in control panel that I have seen | 17:12 |
| gomiam | oh, my fault. I thought about screen timeout. | 17:13 |
| gomiam | sorry | 17:13 |
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| dragorn | Rocketman: Nothing I've seen either | 17:14 |
| dragorn | Rocketman: There may be a config in /etc somewhere, I started poking around but didn't care enough to keep looking | 17:14 |
| Rust311 | Rocketman: I think it's in display | 17:15 |
| Rocketman | hey dragorn, any updated version of kismet? I have one from Bora that works well enough, but I know there have been changes since then | 17:16 |
| Rocketman | Rust, not in display control panel | 17:16 |
| dragorn | Rocketman: Now that I've got an 810 i'm inspired again to look at it more, so while don't hold your breath I'll see what I can do | 17:16 |
| dragorn | Rocketman: It's also interesting now that the 800/810 should have host mode, so a usb NIC is plausible | 17:16 |
| Rust311 | Rocketman: really... control panel->display->"switch off display" "display stays lit" though i haven't actually changed on mine | 17:16 |
| Rocketman | yeah, could always plug in a better radio | 17:17 |
| Rocketman | or a wispy | 17:17 |
| dragorn | Rocketman: As soon as the cables get here today I'll be looking at wispy support | 17:17 |
| dragorn | hopefully os2008 has gtk+cairo, otherwise it'll take some hacking | 17:17 |
| Rocketman | I soo want the new version, but $400 for a dongle...sheeesh | 17:17 |
| Rocketman | yes to cairo | 17:18 |
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| dragorn | Rocketman: I saw it had libcairo, does it have a new enough gtk that the cairo functions are built in? | 17:18 |
| jeddy3 | ooh, mediaserv works just fine if i ask for file, let it start encoding, and ask for file AGAIN :) | 17:18 |
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| jeddy3 | and it works REALLY good | 17:19 |
| Rocketman | The main purpose of OS 2008 from what I have heard was to bring it up to date with GTK and support everything upstream | 17:19 |
| dragorn | Rocketman: Nice. | 17:20 |
| dragorn | Rocketman: Well, that'll make porting the new spectools code very easy, i think. | 17:20 |
| Rocketman | Applications seem to be getting ported much more quickly now that it is running much closer to a standard desktop linux stack | 17:21 |
| dragorn | 2007/6 weren't BAD, but I'd written code w/ the assumption of gtk having cairo surfaces | 17:21 |
| dragorn | which made it... difficult. | 17:21 |
| dragorn | I had it running on the 770 at one point w/ the original wispy-tools code, which other than some font bugs worked, but those were such a pain to hack there wasn't any demand for it | 17:22 |
| Rocketman | I really should solder a sma onto my wispy one of these days so I can attach a directional | 17:22 |
| pupnik | Rocketman: are you still working on just a 770? << yes | 17:22 |
| Rocketman | Pupnik, I might have one to spare, but I should offer it to my brother first | 17:23 |
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| pupnik | thanks but i'm getting a n810 when they ship to germany :) | 17:23 |
| Rocketman | but I might be willing to donate it to the cause if it keeps you porting games | 17:23 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:24 |
| Rocketman | ah, did you get a developer discount code? | 17:24 |
| pupnik | yes. i'll be hopefully getting back in the game soon. | 17:24 |
| alterego | Did he apply? ;) | 17:24 |
| Rocketman | cool | 17:24 |
| alterego | 10 days .. | 17:24 |
| pupnik | i got some kind of neat pics up on my site, if you're bored | 17:24 |
| alterego | Mmmm .. Cheese muffins | 17:25 |
| lardman | blt is still better ;) | 17:25 |
| lardman | though I could be tempted.... | 17:26 |
| alterego | blt muffins? | 17:26 |
| lardman | bacon and cheese, best of both worlds | 17:26 |
| alterego | :) | 17:26 |
| alterego | Bacon and soft cheese, like Brie is nice. | 17:26 |
| lardman | we'd better not forget beer in the list | 17:26 |
| alterego | They go together really well in an omlette. | 17:26 |
| * lardman feeling distracted | 17:27 | |
| alterego | Hah | 17:27 |
| alterego | Well, I have to more graphical effects to write and this module is done :) | 17:27 |
| alterego | reflection and motion blur. | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | What kind of power can the N800 put out for USB? | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many device really need injection? | 17:28 |
| lardman | alterego: what's this for? | 17:28 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, 3v 200ma | 17:28 |
| alterego | lardman, it's just a graphical toolbox for dynamic graphics in web applications. | 17:28 |
| lardman | ah, I need to docs about implementing scaling | 17:29 |
| lardman | s/to/some | 17:29 |
| lardman | hmm, that was quite a typo on my part | 17:29 |
| alterego | I try to stay away from "The GIMP"/"Photoshop" as much as I can. So I've been writing little methods to do the silly "Web" effects. | 17:29 |
| alterego | I think I'll stop today on that strange effect they have a lot of at apple. Where there are two 3D slides on one side and another two on the other side, then one flat in the center. | 17:30 |
| alterego | Not sure what you call that effect .. | 17:31 |
| pupnik | http://www.homemachine.net/ftp/vmware/pixops-2.0.tar.gz lardman, some scaling stuff | 17:32 |
| pupnik | not sure of your context for 'scaling' tho | 17:32 |
| * Tak <3 rake | 17:33 | |
| alterego | :) | 17:33 |
| pupnik | the albumview? it's nice. all their ui stuff is real purty | 17:34 |
| pupnik | doesn't kagu do that now? | 17:34 |
| corevette | when i try to put stuff on my nokia 770 memory card, it never saves on it | 17:35 |
| rip_ | does anyone know if OS2008 has V4L2 installed by default ? | 17:37 |
| rip_ | I can't see it listed as a package | 17:38 |
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| rip_ | anyone know off the top of their head where the Kernel stuff is kept ? | 17:42 |
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| rip_ | im trying to compile a kernel module but the build dir in the scratch box doesn't exist | 17:43 |
| rip_ | /lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/build | 17:43 |
| rip_ | for eg. | 17:43 |
| lardman | pupnik: looks good, thanks | 17:43 |
| dragorn | alterego: that'd be 5v 200ma, wouldn't it? Usb is always 5v as far as I know. | 17:43 |
| alterego | dragorn, even OTG? | 17:44 |
| lardman | rip_: I thought the v4l stuff was all in the kernel | 17:44 |
| dragorn | GeneralAntilles: Enough for a kb/mouse, lower power wireless nic (none of those 500mW USB things) | 17:44 |
| alterego | dragorn, baring in mind that the N800 power supply is 3.7V .. | 17:44 |
| dragorn | alterego: as far as I know it has to be 5v | 17:44 |
| rip_ | yeah I think it is, just wasn't sure as i couldn't see any packages listed | 17:44 |
| rip_ | cheers | 17:44 |
| alterego | ma .. Not mw ;) | 17:44 |
| alterego | dragorn, well it's not :P | 17:44 |
| dragorn | alterego: "According to the OTG Supplement Rev 1.0, an OTG A-device must provide at least 8mA between 4.4V and 5.25V to power VBUS." | 17:45 |
| alterego | Wonderful. Now you know why host mode isn't enabled by default. | 17:46 |
| alterego | And you also know that it's not standards complaint. | 17:46 |
| alterego | ~compliant .. | 17:46 |
| Tak | yeah, kagu does album view | 17:46 |
| dragorn | Or they step up the voltage and drain the battery a bit faster, since I'm fairly sure normal usb devices plugged into otg won't operate properly on 3.3V. I don't know where my multimeter is since packing things up to check however. | 17:46 |
| alterego | Well, I think a lot of things will .. | 17:47 |
| alterego | Regardless, that's what the N8X0's give out. | 17:47 |
| dragorn | and since I (and others) have normal usb stuff operating fine on the N800 port in host mode doing self-power, I'm going to say theres something else going on to provide standard power levels, but if you slap a multimeter on it and prove me wrong I won't complain. | 17:47 |
| rip_ | where on earth is the kernel source kept in OS2008 ? | 17:48 |
| lardman | rip_ download it | 17:48 |
| alterego | No dragorn, there isn't. | 17:48 |
| rip_ | so its not in the apt-get for scratchbox ? | 17:48 |
| lardman | rip_ apt-cache search *kernel* | 17:48 |
| alterego | Your peripherals are obviously just working off of what they're given. | 17:48 |
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| lardman | rip_: yes it's there, I apt-got it at the weekend | 17:49 |
| lopz | hola | 17:49 |
| rip_ | lardman: I can only see the Kernel headers | 17:50 |
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| lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/r/rx-34-kernel/ | 17:53 |
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| lardman | ah, apt-get source rx-34-kernel | 17:53 |
| rip_ | I was pretty sure it installed the kernel-headers to /usr/src/ so I could compile against it | 17:54 |
| rip_ | ahh ok | 17:54 |
| rip_ | Ill give it a shot | 17:54 |
| rip_ | cheers | 17:54 |
| lardman | np | 17:54 |
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| inz | lardman, kernel-source-rx-34 is better candidate | 17:54 |
| inz | But build-depping rx-34-kernel will pull it in | 17:54 |
| lardman | inz: ok, I'm on a WinXP box atm so can't test. Apologies. | 17:55 |
| inz | lardman, no worries -- I just rebuilt the kernel an hour ago or so ;) | 17:57 |
| lardman | I rebuilt it over the weekend to enable dsp debbugging, and then realised they'd already enabled it - thanks Nokia :) | 17:57 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:58 |
| alterego | My dynamic reflection effect is coming along nicely :) | 17:59 |
| lardman | does Kagu use SDL? | 18:00 |
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| alterego | I'm pretty sure it does yes. | 18:01 |
| lardman | just wondering if it would benefit from opengl accel if it ever works | 18:01 |
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| lardman | and yes, opengl (software only mind you) support added to SDL: http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/category/maemo/ | 18:02 |
| alterego | Mesa? | 18:03 |
| Tak | yeah, kagu uses sdl via pygame | 18:04 |
| pupnik | What is the name of the project to make a completely open-source ITOS? | 18:06 |
| lardman | Angstrom? Poky? | 18:06 |
| pupnik | those are hildon-based? | 18:06 |
| pupnik | I mean, could someone run ITOS apps on a fully open-source OS? | 18:07 |
| pupnik | i'll look ty | 18:07 |
| Tak | maemona | 18:08 |
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| lardman | the hildon stuff was in Angstrom a while back too, not sure if it's current though | 18:10 |
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| pupnik | i'm hoping that the omap3430 gaming portable coming out will use ITOS or an open-source variant | 18:14 |
| pupnik | that way we'll get the synergy of development | 18:14 |
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| lardman | and it'll go faster too ;) | 18:17 |
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| Tak | pupnik: link? | 18:18 |
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| pupnik | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?s=f7bcc410f16568adde465108a12d3594&showtopic=38155 | 18:19 |
| pupnik | but if there's no bootable open-source variant of maemo | 18:20 |
| pupnik | (angstrom, poky look to be based on openembedded) | 18:20 |
| pupnik | that idea is pretty much dead | 18:20 |
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| dragorn | alterego: Just slapped a MM on one | 18:21 |
| dragorn | alterego: credit where credit is due, it's 3.3v. I'm very surprised. | 18:21 |
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| rip_ | ugh | 18:25 |
| rip_ | the Linux kernel makes my head hurt at the best of days | 18:25 |
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| rip_ | let alone working out how to compile against Chinooks Kernel-headers :\ | 18:25 |
| rip_ | its almost 2am | 18:25 |
| rip_ | I better crash I guess | 18:25 |
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| lardman | rip_: what are you compiling? | 18:27 |
| lardman | rip_: actually go to bed and tell us tomorrow | 18:28 |
| rip_ | well, I was going to try and compile Linux-uvc for Chinook | 18:28 |
| rip_ | mainly to see if it would work | 18:28 |
| rip_ | http://linux-uvc.berlios.de | 18:29 |
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| Khertan | bye | 18:30 |
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| lardman | rip_: do you have a device you want to use? | 18:32 |
| rip_ | Yeah its a UVC camera | 18:33 |
| rip_ | I was going to try build the module and grab an adapter for it tomorrow | 18:33 |
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| rip_ | no idea if it would work but its worth a try | 18:33 |
| rip_ | :P | 18:33 |
| disq | zerojay: hey, there? | 18:33 |
| lardman | I thought the module building was a case of setting a path as a switch for configure | 18:33 |
| lardman | though I've not built any modules for a long time, so may be wrong | 18:34 |
| rip_ | uvc-linux doesn't come with a configure script | 18:34 |
| rip_ | it just expects it to be in the same place on all 2.6 linux kernel OS's | 18:34 |
| rip_ | which is kinda frustrating | 18:34 |
| lardman | http://koltsoff.com/pub/hello-n800/ | 18:35 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like that just builds built-in ones though | 18:36 |
| rip_ | yeah thats for OS2007 | 18:36 |
| rip_ | already read that | 18:36 |
| rip_ | and all the packages are slightly different :p | 18:36 |
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| lardman | I don't know then sorry, good luck anyway | 18:37 |
| rip_ | lol cheers | 18:37 |
| pupnik | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ beautiful new ukmp cover view | 18:37 |
| rip_ | I can't find anything official either on setting up the kernel to build anything for chinook | 18:38 |
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| rip_ | thats where OpenWRT is good :) I love the build system for that | 18:38 |
| * rip_ hugs [mbm] | 18:38 | |
| lardman | rip_: setting up to build built-in modules is easy enough | 18:38 |
| lardman | rip_: i.e. enable them in .config | 18:38 |
| lardman | rip_: but for you, building from an external source tarball, you probably need to alter the Makefile to point to the kernel source, or something like that | 18:39 |
| rip_ | yeah ive tried pointing it at the kernel source | 18:39 |
| lardman | pupnik: I'd still lke to see iPhone'esque covers :) | 18:39 |
| rip_ | it complains that everything is undefined | 18:39 |
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| lardman | rip_: does it say it's missing some or other header? | 18:40 |
| rip_ | so I think I pointed it at the wrong spot | 18:40 |
| lardman | yep | 18:40 |
| rip_ | sh-2.05b# make | 18:40 |
| rip_ | Building USB Video Class driver... | 18:40 |
| rip_ | make[1]: Entering directory `/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/usr/src/kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0' | 18:40 |
| rip_ | Building modules, stage 2. | 18:40 |
| rip_ | MODPOST 1 modules | 18:40 |
| rip_ | WARNING: "__kmalloc" [/home/rip/trunk/uvcvideo.ko] undefined! | 18:40 |
| rip_ | thats pretty much all it says | 18:40 |
| rip_ | but lists everything its trying to compile | 18:40 |
| rip_ | and bombs out with an error | 18:40 |
| pupnik | lardman: yeah well ... you know... python and all, and no opengl. I'm hoping we'll get the opengl and some native apps supporting nice scaling/transposition - no idea how that could integrate into gtk/hildon tho! | 18:41 |
| rip_ | the makefile wants /usr/libs/kernelname/build | 18:41 |
| rip_ | doesn't matter Ill have a look at it tomorrow | 18:41 |
| rip_ | cheers anyway :) | 18:41 |
| rip_ | nite all | 18:41 |
| lardman | rip_: night | 18:41 |
| lardman | home time for me, see you all later | 18:42 |
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| solmumaha | rip_: it's in svn | 19:03 |
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| timeless | so, does someone actually have the rss reader source outside of nokia? :) | 19:11 |
| Tak | hmm, on a standard ruby install, do I need to do something special to pick up things installed into the site path? | 19:11 |
| |R | Anyone know if the device lock password is reseted when flashed? I cannot use 12345 (got it from eBay eh ...) | 19:11 |
| timeless | no | 19:11 |
| timeless | otherwise you could steal someone's locked device | 19:12 |
| |R | FUCK | 19:12 |
| timeless | and just reflash it | 19:12 |
| timeless | contact the ebayer | 19:12 |
| timeless | (this is the official position) | 19:12 |
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| |R | timeless : i had it for a while and it works well | 19:14 |
| |R | i just realised from another friend who got it from a store, that i couldn't change mine (never used the lock option) | 19:14 |
| |R | So when locked the device, even if force rebooted, is going to ask for a password ? | 19:15 |
| timeless | it should | 19:15 |
| |R | it's a good thing it ask for the pass _when_ locking otherwised i would have been locked out already | 19:15 |
| timeless | yes | 19:16 |
| timeless | i just forced a reboot and now it wants my lock code | 19:16 |
| |R | ok | 19:16 |
| |R | argh :( | 19:17 |
| Atarii | |R you scared me then, i had to quickly check mine was still set to default :p | 19:17 |
| |R | and it can be up to 10 chars, it's no like i could bruteforce it by hand like a 3-4 char :( | 19:17 |
| |R | (even that would be long...) | 19:18 |
| timeless | contact the vendor | 19:18 |
| |R | just did | 19:18 |
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| |R | i guess it's a good feature, just not in my case hehe | 19:19 |
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| |R | how is this special password memory dealt with ? | 19:20 |
| |R | it's a TPM chip ? | 19:20 |
| |R | otherwise i could try and overwrite it somewhere in memory... | 19:20 |
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| Atarii | |R just open the firmware .bin file in notepad and do a replace on "12345" | 19:23 |
| |R | the flash image you use to upgrade OS ? timeless just said it's not in there ? | 19:23 |
| wumpus | using notepad as hex editor? that doesn't sound a good idea | 19:24 |
| Atarii | :p | 19:24 |
| |R | wumpus indeed hehe | 19:24 |
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| wumpus | anyway, it got to be easier to just contact the seller | 19:26 |
| |R | ok i had kept the email that was configured in when i got it, i'm gonna write to that person too | 19:26 |
| * |R crosses fingers :( | 19:26 | |
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| timeless | wumpus: edit.com is a reasonable hex editor. | | 19:29 |
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| Tak | heh, I came across my manager editing some C code in ed the other day | 19:32 |
| derf | I prefer vim -b | 19:34 |
| derf | It handles multi-gigabyte files. | 19:34 |
| Tak | yeah, that's worked well for me | 19:34 |
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| Tak | anybody interested in testing out rubygame vkb package? | 19:37 |
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| wumpus | derf: vim includes a hex edit too? | 19:42 |
| wumpus | hm, vim -b doesn't do anything interesting here | 19:44 |
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| derf | -b just means it won't do silly things like add \n to the last line or attempt to do multi-byte character conversion. | 19:44 |
| wumpus | ah, right | 19:45 |
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| |R | wumpus you can use xxd in vim :) | 19:45 |
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| |R | timeless : the manual says nokia will do a software reload to reset the password, urhm :| | 19:46 |
| timeless | |r: technically it is possible | 19:46 |
| onion | oh what fun.. reflashed again. sigh | 19:46 |
| timeless | but the idea is that they'll make sure you don't get the other user's data | 19:47 |
| shacka1 | uh? he can code? and use ed? how did he become manager? | 19:47 |
| timeless | in practice, they're wiping the contents of a different flash region | 19:47 |
| |R | that's fine, there is none already, but do you think they do anything special? it's a flasher option? | 19:47 |
| timeless | i'd rather not think about it, i probably know enough fo the details but it's probably best if i silence myself | 19:48 |
| |R | i'm gonna write to the OxFFF guy, maybe he knows | 19:48 |
| |R | oh, working for nokia? ;) | 19:48 |
| timeless | oh yeah, wasn't that stated somewhere? | 19:49 |
| |R | hehe no :) | 19:49 |
| |R | But i don't want to send the device in for 1+ month just for that :| | 19:49 |
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| onion | I sure hope the N810 is not as sensitive as the 770 to go to boot-loop after low battery poweroff | 19:51 |
| |R | ok, i'm just gona grep de flash block for random strings.. | 19:51 |
| |R | s/de/the | 19:51 |
| |R | damn french :P | 19:51 |
| Tak | hmm...is that what prompts the boot-loop? | 19:52 |
| onion | Tak: for me at least | 19:53 |
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| alterego | Nice, finished reflections :) | 20:00 |
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| SmackPotat | anyone know anything about tslib | 20:05 |
| SmackPotat | is it the only way i can modify mouse behaviour | 20:05 |
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| alterego | SmackPotat, best ask on the mailing list. | 20:10 |
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| SmackPotat | cool thanks | 20:11 |
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| * konttori just met canola developers today | 20:12 | |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: gustavo ? | 20:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 20:13 |
| konttori | yeah | 20:13 |
| andrunko | probably | 20:13 |
| * Ryback_ haven't met konttori | 20:13 | |
| chenca | handful is not a developer | 20:13 |
| * MoRpHeUz neither | 20:13 | |
| Ryback_ | :-D | 20:13 |
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| MoRpHeUz | =) | 20:13 |
| konttori | well, guys behind canola | 20:13 |
| Ryback_ | yep, nice | 20:13 |
| konttori | anyway, saw canola. Pretty amazing stuff. I gotta say. | 20:14 |
| konttori | I'm really looking forward to 12th | 20:14 |
| kenne | ;) | 20:14 |
| kenne | <chenca> handful is not a developer | 20:14 |
| kenne | * MoRpHeUz neither | 20:14 |
| chenca | did you mean 31th ? | 20:14 |
| konttori | the image viewer is spectacular | 20:14 |
| MoRpHeUz | kenne: =P | 20:14 |
| kenne | MoRpHeUz, what are you then? | 20:14 |
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| MoRpHeUz | kenne: you know I can just get up and kick you, don't you ? =P | 20:15 |
| MoRpHeUz | haha | 20:15 |
| kenne | haha... if you could reach | 20:15 |
| konttori | 12th is when they release beta | 20:15 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: we hope so...if kenne stops talking and fixes his bugs.. =P | 20:16 |
| kenne | MoRpHeUz, actually, yesterday I watched a movie called Bug | 20:16 |
| chenca | konttori: really ??? I don't believe this | 20:17 |
| konttori | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/ | 20:17 |
| andrunko | heheh | 20:17 |
| chenca | konttori: this is bullshit | 20:17 |
| kenne | I also can't wait... I guess there will be some partying afterward :) | 20:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | kenne: you pay! =) | 20:18 |
| kenne | kekek... ok ok... I will buy you a beer if you will drink it | 20:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | hahaha | 20:18 |
| konttori | chenca: what is? | 20:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: he is just making fun...he's one of canola's developers too =P | 20:19 |
| konttori | canola 2 was even better live than I had hoped. | 20:19 |
| konttori | ahh.. cool. Kudos... big kudos for you guys for making such a great program in so little time | 20:19 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: good to know you liked it =) and the version that they have with them is a little bit bugged... | 20:19 |
| lsobral | konttori, good to hear that, thanks | 20:19 |
| chenca | konttori: I know some guys that are "really working" on new version of Canola | 20:19 |
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| konttori | yeah, it was crashing quite a lot, but hey, I'm used to seeing buggy software | 20:20 |
| lsobral | konttori, you are our first user review :) | 20:20 |
| konttori | I'm also so very happy that I don't have to maintain ukmp anymore, because you guys have made it obsolete. good stuff! | 20:20 |
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| konttori | by the way, did you guys figure out a good way to keep the python code closed? | 20:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: haha, thanks! =) | 20:21 |
| chenca | konttori: This is confidential | 20:22 |
| konttori | true | 20:22 |
| Tak | meh, canola2 is going to be closed-source as well? | 20:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 20:23 |
| Tak | http://rafb.net/p/W3TcqW74.html - comments? | 20:23 |
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| K`zan | Maemo is back up I see! Still no fmradio :-(. | 20:26 |
| timeless | why would fmradio relate? | 20:26 |
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| MoRpHeUz | konttori: hey, btw....aren't you interested in developing new plugins for canola 2.0 ? =) | 20:31 |
| konttori | could be if I had the time. | 20:32 |
| konttori | I haven't coded even one line at nokia. | 20:32 |
| konttori | but I suppose I will have a little bit more time in january on my free time | 20:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: great ;-) | 20:32 |
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| konttori | but yeah, when I get a good idea for a plugin, I'm pretty sure I'll dig into doing it. | 20:34 |
| |R | timeless : ok recovered it :D | 20:34 |
| timeless | from vendor? | 20:37 |
| |R | timeless : no, from device | 20:38 |
| inz | timeless, did you see my comment on #1767? | 20:38 |
| timeless | i think so | 20:38 |
| timeless | the only think i did was assign it to that guy because he posted to maemo-devel | 20:38 |
| timeless | and therefore irritated me :) | 20:38 |
| timeless | my general view of bugzilla is that if people have an opinion, they deserve to own bugs :) | 20:39 |
| inz | :) | 20:39 |
| inz | I think Kalle works on lower level stuff tho... | 20:39 |
| timeless | kalle expressed an opinion in this area | 20:39 |
| timeless | kalle suffers :) | 20:39 |
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| timeless | in case people care, i own lots of bugs | 20:40 |
| timeless | and i suffer quite enough | 20:40 |
| timeless | people are welcome to try to make me suffer more, but it's unlikely they'll succeed in any way that they would logically choose to try | 20:40 |
| inz | I own none -- buahahaha | 20:41 |
| Tak | so...I take it there are no comments | 20:41 |
| inz | But then again, I have no opinions ;) | 20:41 |
| Segnale007 | Hi guys | 20:42 |
| Segnale007 | hi have just installed kde on my n800 running os2008 | 20:42 |
| Segnale007 | but , how can lunch it right now ? | 20:42 |
| timeless | tak: sorry, i'm trying to multitask, what was worth commenting? | 20:42 |
| Segnale007 | where is the configuration file ? | 20:43 |
| Segnale007 | for lunch kde ? | 20:43 |
| Tak | just http://rafb.net/p/W3TcqW74.html | 20:43 |
| * timeless doesn't think kde is edible | 20:43 | |
| timeless | tak: looks kinda short | 20:43 |
| Segnale007 | :( | 20:43 |
| Segnale007 | could u help me ? | 20:43 |
| Segnale007 | I need to tell at Xserver for start it | 20:44 |
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| Tak | heh | 20:44 |
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| timeless | tak: does it do soemthing? :) | 20:45 |
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| Tak | yeah, it's sample usage code for my rubygame-based vkb | 20:46 |
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| Tak | it sets up the vkb, displays it, and prints out the "typed" text to stdout when the vkb is closed | 20:46 |
| timeless | tak: does the vkb invalidate the stuff behind it? | 20:47 |
| timeless | or reflow or what? | 20:47 |
| timeless | [Bug 406981] New: Crashes, crashes, and crashes! | 20:48 |
| Tak | it doesn't invalidate the stuff behind it | 20:48 |
| sikahakki | I flashed os2008 to n800, what repositories I now should use n800 or n810? | 20:48 |
| Tak | unless I misunderstand what you're asking | 20:48 |
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| timeless | sikahakki: see topic /it/ for a list | 20:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 repositories, sikahakki. | 20:50 |
| Okko | os2008 out for N800? | 20:53 |
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| Okko | oh, just a beta | 20:54 |
| sikahakki | timeless: thanks | 20:55 |
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| celesteh | how is the beta? will i be happy to upgrade or is it crashy and missing many apps? | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, at this point, you're better off just waiting for the final | 21:03 |
| Okko | the final should come in about 10 days | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | rather than nuking your install now, and then nuking it again for the final. | 21:03 |
| celesteh | good point | 21:04 |
| celesteh | i just finally got around to the latest stable update, though | 21:04 |
| Okko | thought so too | 21:04 |
| fysa | the dpad hack still work? | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | For? | 21:04 |
| fysa | sorry- microb | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which? | 21:05 |
| fysa | in OS2008 | 21:05 |
| fysa | :) | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which d-pad hack? | 21:05 |
| fysa | haha | 21:05 |
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| fysa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=100884&postcount=11 | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I found turning off snav and fuddling around somewhere in chrome gave me good results. | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's mentioned somewhere on bugzilla | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Thanks, timeless!) | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that. | 21:06 |
| bilboed | damn, one killer app that would be doable in no-time if we had full gst-plugins-* and pygdata : a real youtube browser | 21:06 |
| bilboed | like the iPhone one | 21:06 |
| bilboed | except better obviously, since it'll be on a free platform :) | 21:06 |
| fysa | could do it with python and mplayer.. | 21:06 |
| Tak | OR...you could do it with C and mplayer | 21:06 |
| * bilboed sighs | 21:06 | |
| fysa | yes, or C | 21:07 |
| bilboed | whatever | 21:07 |
| Sho_ | Has anybody actually been able to use their discount code yet, btw? | 21:08 |
| alterego | Or Ruby | 21:08 |
| alterego | You could have a utube feed to a home plugin | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | So many options, so little time. | 21:08 |
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| Segnale007 | anybody can help me with kde ? | 21:08 |
| alterego | Yuk .. | 21:09 |
| Segnale007 | how I can start it when start the os ? | 21:09 |
| Segnale007 | when I starting the os | 21:09 |
| * bilboed rubs eyes | 21:09 | |
| konttori | fysa: very cool. | 21:09 |
| bilboed | why not vista ! | 21:09 |
| bilboed | :) | 21:09 |
| * Tak starts a Save the Memory campaign | 21:09 | |
| Segnale007 | just launch the default vm of os2008 | 21:09 |
| konttori | someone should make a small app to do that change for people | 21:10 |
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| konttori | bilboed: just take uktube as basis and add the browsing support to that. | 21:12 |
| konttori | simple! | 21:12 |
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| fysa | yeah, something like that would be ideal | 21:13 |
| fysa | a single 'media environment' would be nice. | 21:13 |
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| bilboed | even better. Just adding the proper gst-plugins... would make youtube videos playable in the default player | 21:14 |
| fysa | perhaps (likely) some asm in use.. | 21:14 |
| bilboed | it really sucks there isn't a repo with all the gst plugins for maemo | 21:15 |
| fysa | so make one. | 21:15 |
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| bilboed | I'm a dick at packaging | 21:15 |
| konttori | perhaps someone could make canola plugin for browsing youtube. | 21:15 |
| konttori | mplayer + python + canola 2 should be pretty nice combo | 21:16 |
| konttori | to develop on | 21:16 |
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| rip_ | I mentioned a youtube browser not long ago on ITT and got shotdown :p | 21:19 |
| rip_ | when I thought it would be a cool idea | 21:19 |
| rip_ | since they have a pretty cool youtube browser on XBMC in python | 21:19 |
| rip_ | oh well, it really is ZZZ time 4:50am :\ | 21:20 |
| rip_ | nite! | 21:20 |
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| alterego | Mornin' | 21:25 |
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| fysa | anyone tried working this into microb? http://grabanddrag.mozdev.org/ | 21:27 |
| timeless | looks better than the behavior we're required to implement | 21:29 |
| timeless | but it won't really help the fun cases | 21:30 |
| fysa | I just want that faster-than-finger scrolling | 21:30 |
| fysa | and I suppose it should be trivial to pull that out of it.. | 21:30 |
| timeless | fysa: i'd rather the ie/seamonkey middle mouse relative continuous scrolling feature | 21:31 |
| timeless | which i probably should specify | 21:31 |
| fysa | ah | 21:31 |
| timeless | since that's one of the more useful pieces | 21:31 |
| fysa | it makes a center point at the mouse position and you scroll relative to that? | 21:31 |
| timeless | basically | 21:32 |
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| timeless | you scroll at a rate proportional to the distance from the original point | 21:32 |
| fysa | if they touch and hold, you average the first Nms x/y, then enter listening state for 1000ms and wait for movement | 21:32 |
| timeless | directed from the original point to the current point | 21:33 |
| eido | hi folks. question about the N810 which I'm seriously considering. does it support a bluetooth profile for HFP? importantly, can it -be- a handsfree device? can i hook up headphones to my N810, listen to music, and receive a phone call through it from a BT enabled phone? | 21:33 |
| fysa | ah | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be happy of scrollbars didn't behave like the original Mac. :\ | 21:33 |
| timeless | it stops when you tap again/escape/or you run out of scrolling | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why in the world would taping the scrollbar outside of the slider mean "scroll one page" instead of "scroll to here" | 21:34 |
| fysa | because they have no page down otherwise ;) | 21:34 |
| timeless | general: standard windows behavior? :) | 21:34 |
| timeless | it's been the standard behavior everywhere outside of x for a long time :) | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it? | 21:35 |
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| timeless | yes | 21:35 |
| glass_ | yeah | 21:35 |
| timeless | actually, it's not quite that simple | 21:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles hasn't touched a windows box in almost a year. | 21:35 | |
| timeless | if you tap and hold, the behavior gets less consistent | 21:35 |
| timeless | it will repeat every <time interval> | 21:35 |
| timeless | but the question is whether it will stop when the slider reaches the mouse | 21:35 |
| timeless | some platforms do | 21:35 |
| timeless | some don't | 21:35 |
| timeless | windows stops | 21:36 |
| timeless | the idea is that you probably want to reach where you clicked | 21:36 |
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| timeless | but in the interim, you want to see the in between | 21:36 |
| konttori | gotta say that that scrolling behavior is close to what should be in the microb (imho) | 21:36 |
| timeless | in windows nt5, if you right click on a standard scrollbar, there's a "Scroll Here" menu item | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:37 |
| timeless | konttori: that = what i'm describing? | 21:37 |
| konttori | although continuos scrolling would be cool as well. | 21:37 |
| konttori | yeah. | 21:37 |
| * konttori is reading buffer | 21:37 | |
| konttori | sorry for not having reached the end yet | 21:37 |
| * timeless tries to remember what the current behavior is | 21:37 | |
| timeless | i'm sure it's specified by someone | 21:37 |
| timeless | and i'm sure it's not idea | 21:37 |
| timeless | l | 21:38 |
| timeless | oh, right | 21:38 |
| timeless | it'll jump down, jump up, and jump down again :) | 21:38 |
| timeless | i think actually most of what i'm seeing atm are things i'd rather blame on the touchscreen/driver :) | 21:39 |
| konttori | ahh... no, that=grabanddrag | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously | 21:39 |
| konttori | but, as commented, continuos scrolling would be cool as well | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | The one thing that always catches me off guard with the 770 is input not jumping all over the place. | 21:39 |
| timeless | input? | 21:39 |
| konttori | anyway, I'm pretty happy on n810 and space key | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like they have some palsied old bastard in there interpreting the touchscreen input. | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | *touchscreen input | 21:40 |
| timeless | konttori: yeah, just tested spacebar, it really does work "correctly" | 21:40 |
| timeless | btw, did you try shift-space? | 21:40 |
| konttori | nope. what does that do? | 21:40 |
| timeless | try it? | 21:40 |
| timeless | i promise it won't hurt | 21:41 |
| fysa | pgup | 21:41 |
| * konttori will go and get n810 | 21:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ooh, tasty. | 21:41 |
| konttori | does shift clip open link in new window? | 21:41 |
| konttori | as it does on pc | 21:41 |
| timeless | lol | 21:41 |
| konttori | could it open it also in bg? | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | When am I gonna get "Open in new background window". :P | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would make for a perfectly acceptable substitution for tabs. | 21:42 |
| timeless | i think shift-click seems to trigger focus/active w/o triggering the link | 21:42 |
| timeless | but i could be wrong | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like it, timeless. | 21:42 |
| timeless | GeneralAntilles: when there's enough memory to handle >5 pages | 21:42 |
| konttori | shift-click should open in new window if we follow traditional use pattern | 21:43 |
| timeless | so people will stop complaining that the browser crashes :( | 21:43 |
| konttori | bg open would be very cool though | 21:43 |
| timeless | i'm fine w/ bg by default | 21:43 |
| konttori | maybe fn-click to open in bg would work | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you just distribute a waiver instead so I can get my feature now? :D | 21:43 |
| timeless | no | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | :( | 21:43 |
| * timeless wonders what's actually handling shift-click today | 21:43 | |
| konttori | can /usr/lib/microb-engine/chrome/toolkit/content/global/platformHTMLBindings.xml | 21:44 |
| konttori | be used to change behavior? | 21:44 |
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| timeless | konttori: i think someone said that once they disabled spatial nav they were able to muck w/ that file to get things to do things | 21:45 |
| timeless | not certain | 21:45 |
| timeless | i need to go home | 21:45 |
| timeless | or get dinner and then home | 21:45 |
| timeless | note: i'm going to rome tomorrow | 21:45 |
| timeless | so have a good weekend | 21:45 |
| timeless | i'll be back late monday | 21:46 |
| konttori | have a good trip! | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, disabling snav worked for me. | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take care, timeless. | 21:47 |
| timeless | did you document that somewhere? :) | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suppose I could make mention of it in the bug | 21:48 |
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| foods | hi, I heard you give away free t-shirts for the poor? Where can I sign up for receiving some? | 21:57 |
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| timeless | not to the poor | 22:04 |
| timeless | to the contributors | 22:04 |
| timeless | help maemo or the browser project enough, and a shirt might go your way | 22:04 |
| foods | oh ok, thanks timeless | 22:05 |
| Tak | I thought there was like a 92% intersect between "the poor" and "contributors" | 22:05 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/7 | 22:05 |
| |R | haha | 22:05 |
| foods | wow that sure is a good looking t-shirt, what's the ugly thing on the left though? | 22:06 |
| konttori | hmm.. flash 9.3 supports h264 | 22:08 |
| konttori | will be interesting to see how flash videos will start to be h264 pretty soon all over the place | 22:09 |
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| konttori | and how n810/n800 will be (not) able to playback those videos | 22:09 |
| |R | hehe | 22:09 |
| |R | screw flash | 22:09 |
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| konttori | hmmm... device should have some hw accelerator for decoding video. maybe that could be utilized for h264 decoding if h264 is not doable with SW. | 22:10 |
| wumpus | well, hopefully the next generation of device will include that | 22:11 |
| konttori | hulu has already switched to h264 | 22:11 |
| konttori | I would assume other video providers will follow soon | 22:12 |
| flatface | CoreAVC has some really good results on PDAs (ran well on my Palm T|X). If only they ported it... | 22:12 |
| konttori | youtube has been converting to 264 for some time (for iphone) | 22:12 |
| konttori | so, they might switch soon as well from flv to h264 | 22:12 |
| wumpus | that'd be bad for slow devices | 22:12 |
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| konttori | like n810? | 22:14 |
| konttori | mplayer *might* be able to play them. | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't that IVA thingamabob handle h.264? | 22:14 |
| * timeless is confused | 22:14 | |
| foods | hi GeneralAntilles | 22:14 |
| glass_ | n95 decodes h264 well.. hw decoding though | 22:14 |
| timeless | does the device not natively support 264? | 22:14 |
| * foods hugs GeneralAntilles | 22:14 | |
| konttori | IVA should the be able to do it | 22:15 |
| wumpus | konttori: yes, at low resolutions it probabbly can | 22:15 |
| wumpus | lol, should be | 22:15 |
| wumpus | noone knows and noone probably ever will | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid dead weight. | 22:15 |
| * Tak cries | 22:15 | |
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| alterego | "This website is best viewed on an 800x480 pixel transflective display whilst drinking a beer in the pub" | 22:18 |
| konttori | hey, mplayer is giving me: ADecoder preinit failed | 22:19 |
| konttori | Is there a fixed version of mplayer for n810? | 22:19 |
| konttori | timeless: i don't think device supports h264 by default | 22:20 |
| konttori | might be wrong though | 22:21 |
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| pupnik | konttori: your media player looks awesome | 22:26 |
| konttori | thanks | 22:27 |
| pupnik | i hosted a screenshot on my site since the available one on the web got blocked after hotlinking it in a forum | 22:27 |
| pupnik | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=38155&st=4275 | 22:27 |
| konttori | cool. thanks for mentioning me | 22:28 |
| pupnik | you are redefining standards for looks | 22:28 |
| pupnik | standard gtk/hildonisms are functional but blergh for looks | 22:29 |
| pupnik | i hope those guys will contact nokia about getting access to enough ITOS sources | 22:30 |
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| pupnik | i do not expect the n9x0 will be a gaming device | 22:31 |
| konttori | ;) I can imagine that! | 22:31 |
| konttori | OTOH. n810 is already better than n800. | 22:31 |
| pupnik | but if those two camps (CraigIX and Nokia) cooperate, there could be a higly synergistic cooperation | 22:31 |
| konttori | so, it might be moving to even better direction. Let's see | 22:32 |
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| pupnik | #maemo on more hardware would be good. | 22:32 |
| guerby | hi, how to find the gateway for a ppp connection on N800/OS2008? I have route -n as follows: | 22:32 |
| guerby | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface | 22:32 |
| guerby | 10.6.6.6 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 | 22:32 |
| guerby | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0 | 22:32 |
| guerby | no "UG" line. May be my telco is doing something bizarre? | 22:33 |
| konttori | pupnik: did you notice the wiimote application for n810? | 22:33 |
| konttori | would be cool too integrate that to emulators | 22:33 |
| konttori | use wiimote as the dpad controller (and A+B buttons) | 22:33 |
| pupnik | i suppose, but emulators can also be played with bt keyboard | 22:33 |
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| pupnik | guerby: seems odd | 22:34 |
| guerby | pupnik, everything works fine through this connection | 22:34 |
| pupnik | i can't find my 770 right now so i'll have to pass on assistance | 22:34 |
| pupnik | ok | 22:34 |
| maddler | evening all! | 22:34 |
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| guerby | pupnik, only thing is that openvpn needs a gateway and obviously it's not in the route :) | 22:35 |
| pupnik | hi maddler | 22:35 |
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| konttori | pupnik: wiimote is even better than bt kb (and cheaper too) (and smaller) (and more ergonmic) (and don't need a table to use) | 22:37 |
| pupnik | ah | 22:37 |
| konttori | (and less generic ) ;( | 22:38 |
| pupnik | i am hoping datapath fulfills his promise to start working on SNES in 3 weeks | 22:38 |
| shackan | konttori: what does this application do other than (supposedly, I've never heard about it) moving the cursor? | 22:38 |
| konttori | nothing else as far as I remember | 22:40 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:40 | |
| timeless | garage-all is syncing 240/388 | 22:40 |
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| doc|home | pupnik: the gp32 link? | 22:49 |
| pupnik | yah | 22:50 |
| doc|home | they're going using maemo? | 22:50 |
| pupnik | they're building some kick butt hardware | 22:50 |
| pupnik | not yet | 22:50 |
| pupnik | i want to convince them to | 22:50 |
| doc|home | nice | 22:50 |
| pupnik | but maemo may not be open enough | 22:50 |
| flatface | http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=a6f830a059635c51b5ea4b3bc83917cc&p=1069338#post1069338 <--CorePlayer for the N800 = decent h264 performance :D | 22:51 |
| flatface | knowing the time they take to do releases though, don't expect a fast release | 22:52 |
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| guerby | hi, how do I define Ctrl-C as a toolbar shortcut in xterm OS2008? | 22:57 |
| inz | guerby, <ctrl>c? | 22:58 |
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| guerby | inz, thanks it worked | 22:59 |
| guerby | inz, is there a way to find a key name? eg for enter | 22:59 |
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| inz | guerby, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h | 23:00 |
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| inz | guerby, strip off the GDK_ -prefix | 23:01 |
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| guerby | inz, many thanks! | 23:01 |
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| * shackan wants a way to exploit the button on the default headphones | 23:01 | |
| guerby | Enter launches the thumb kbd :) | 23:02 |
| inz | guerby, then use Return ;) | 23:02 |
| inz | guerby, or KP_Return whatever it was called | 23:02 |
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| guerby | inz, Return sorry (not Enter) | 23:03 |
| inz | guerby, well, then try KP_Return ;) | 23:04 |
| inz | Er, KP_Enter | 23:04 |
| ccooke | ... okay. Someone tell me where I'm being a moron - I can't see any way to enter a *hex* WEP key into the n810 | 23:04 |
| guerby | inz, thanks again :) | 23:04 |
| inz | ccooke, the same way as an ascii key? | 23:05 |
| inz | ccooke, works for me at least | 23:05 |
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| inz | ccooke, it should decide automatically (based on the key length) what to do with it | 23:05 |
| ccooke | ah! missing digit | 23:06 |
| ccooke | thanks | 23:06 |
| freakingtux | the new pdf reader on it20008 is just great, thanks | 23:06 |
| * czr peeks | 23:07 | |
| inz | freaking, whoa, lucky you, we need to wait 18000 years for that | 23:08 |
| czr | inz, unless you find a time machine before that :-) | 23:08 |
| czr | inz, you know, the kind of that they have in that one sad commercial about pensions | 23:08 |
| wumpus | or just freeze yourself, a la futurama :) | 23:09 |
| pupnik | generally speaking, i think nokia should have fast-tracked N810s to those receiving developer discounts | 23:09 |
| czr | wumpus, you'd have to be pretty sure you'll be unfrozen in time. otherwise bad things happen :-) | 23:09 |
| Tak | eh, they're doing better than they did with the n800s | 23:09 |
| pupnik | ok | 23:09 |
| Tak | I expect by the N2000 liquid metal series, they'll have it worked out | 23:09 |
| freakingtux | it is a bug in the virtual keyboard handling it often thinks i press the button twice | 23:09 |
| |R | pupnik: any ETA news btw? :) | 23:09 |
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| guerby | inz, s,u,d,o,space,g,a,i,n,r,o,o,t,KP_Enter | 23:10 |
| pupnik | not here | 23:10 |
| guerby | inz :) | 23:10 |
| lopz | bye | 23:10 |
| |R | Tak : that's the T1000, but don't tell anyone :P | 23:10 |
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| czr | "In the year 2000: Nokia will finally send the developer discounted N810 devices" | 23:10 |
| pupnik | it would have been *slightly* motivational to receive a n810 before getting sick and tired of seeing countless americans complaining about it | 23:10 |
| * czr hides & runs | 23:11 | |
| |R | haha | 23:11 |
| elb | note that "Americans" who have the developer discount still cannot get one | 23:11 |
| |R | i hope that nokia.ca will answer me for those of us in .ca | 23:12 |
| czr | maybe the developer program is just a ploy to get people to migrate over to 4.0 sdk | 23:12 |
| |R | haha :) | 23:12 |
| zuh | elb: They can buy one and sell the discounted later for profit ;) | 23:13 |
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| czr | they're waiting for the devices to be sold on ebay for 99E, then they'll buy them and sell them to the developers | 23:14 |
| zuh | X) | 23:14 |
| czr | that'd be pretty devious | 23:14 |
| |R | well, it's not really profit | 23:14 |
| inz | guerby, should work | 23:14 |
| |R | it's just time shifted money | 23:14 |
| sikahakki | which os I should use in n800 os2007 or os2008? | 23:14 |
| czr | |R, yeah, and what is money, other than time shifted work? :-) | 23:15 |
| |R | haha | 23:15 |
| timeless | sikahakki: if you want to use the vkb to enter passwords, 2007 is the only option | 23:15 |
| czr | sikahakki, depends on what you want to do | 23:15 |
| timeless | :) | 23:15 |
| czr | timeless, hello. | 23:15 |
| |R | so non-profit is time shifted work? | 23:15 |
| guerby | inz, it works :) | 23:15 |
| timeless | s/vkb/fkb/ | 23:15 |
| * |R lost :P | 23:15 | |
| timeless | czr: hi | 23:15 |
| czr | |R, sure. just shifted slightly more :-) | 23:15 |
| timeless | czr: i'm about to go home, i have garage *almost* sync'd from swift | 23:16 |
| timeless | and mozillasvn is waiting a bit | 23:16 |
| czr | timeless, I just woke up :-) = don't care quite yet :-) | 23:16 |
| zuh | You can buy one full prized (500€?), buy the discounted for your wife (100€) and then sell both for 300€ after the next one is arriving ;) | 23:16 |
| timeless | it's not tomorrow yet | 23:16 |
| timeless | what are you doing waking up @11pm? | 23:16 |
| czr | timeless, semantics :-) | 23:16 |
| czr | timeless, I overslept my nap ;-) | 23:17 |
| inz | guerby, well, the parser for the strings is done by yours truly, so it must be perfect | 23:17 |
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| czr | been really tired for couple of days. stress doing catch-up methinks | 23:17 |
| * timeless too | 23:17 | |
| * guerby bow before the master of the perfect code | 23:17 | |
| sikahakki | I would like to use ssh and skype, I didn't manage to get skype working either one of os thou | 23:17 |
| czr | but next tuesday all that will change | 23:17 |
| * guerby bow before the master of the perfect code (alias inz) | 23:17 | |
| |R | guerby : knuth? | 23:17 |
| * czr is planning his great escape | 23:17 | |
| * timeless will fly to rome in <24hrs | 23:17 | |
| czr | ooh, that's cool. you have a date in the colosseum? :-) | 23:18 |
| czr | at? at probably. | 23:18 |
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| timeless | in works | 23:18 |
| timeless | depends what you mean | 23:18 |
| czr | I mean lions and stuff | 23:18 |
| czr | in/at? :-) | 23:19 |
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| czr | ah yes, the material got green-lighted now, I think. | 23:19 |
| czr | going live on monday. maybe. | 23:19 |
| timeless | oh | 23:19 |
| alterego | Hmmm ... | 23:19 |
| timeless | wanna give me a link? | 23:19 |
| timeless | i can read it on thursday and torture you from an airport :) | 23:19 |
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| czr | noo. it's already been green-lighted! :-) | 23:20 |
| timeless | not my fault! | 23:20 |
| czr | mine neither :-) | 23:20 |
| GNUton | hi! | 23:20 |
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| czr | timeless, I wouldn't have the time/motivation to fix anything anyway, flight leaves on tuesday and have a load of stuff I need to get done by then (doesn't include doing yet another release of the material) | 23:21 |
| alterego | Hmm .. | 23:21 |
| czr | hey alterego | 23:21 |
| timeless | hey, my flight leaves this thursday :) | 23:21 |
| alterego | Aloha czr, haven't seen you for a while :) | 23:21 |
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| alterego | Think I might make my USB host mode gender bender. | 23:21 |
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| czr | timeless, which is why I don't want you to send me any fixed before tuesday. after tuesday I don't care (won't be reading my emails anyway ;-) | 23:22 |
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| czr | fixes even | 23:22 |
| czr | alterego, was training on mon-tue, and just tired the rest of the time. how's ruby? | 23:22 |
| alterego | Ruby's great, spent the day working on a nice little library to generate "Web 2.0" graphics .. | 23:23 |
| alterego | Saves me having to touch photoshop/gimp | 23:23 |
| alterego | http://rubyx.co.uk:3001/imaging | 23:23 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/aksel_schiotz-franz_schubert__die_schoene_muellerin-16-die_liebe_farbe.mp3 schubert - the soul of germany | 23:23 |
| czr | alterego, what about Hype 3.0? :-) | 23:24 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's next. | 23:24 |
| * czr hates the whole "web 2.0" thing | 23:24 | |
| alterego | Yeah, I generally only mention it as a joke. I don't even really know what it's supposed to mean ^_^ | 23:24 |
| K`zan | Thanks pupnik :-0 | 23:24 |
| alterego | I thought we were still on HTTP 1.1 .. | 23:24 |
| czr | well, obviously it's the home of the mathematically inclined spider | 23:25 |
| guerby | any ppp expert around? my phone doesn't push a gateway when pairing with my OS2008 N800, any idea? | 23:25 |
| * wumpus prefers "Web 0.1" | 23:25 | |
| * alterego prefered gopher | 23:25 | |
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| czr | wumpus, home of the mathematically challenged spider? | 23:25 |
| wumpus | hehe | 23:25 |
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| GNUton | N810 is avaible on Spanish and German nokia E-store... but nothing in italy yet! :( | 23:28 |
| czr | alterego, ah, I did start a useless project couple of days ago. only on paper so far. the most useless ever. a program with no aim at all. a sudoku solver. | 23:28 |
| wumpus | cheater :P | 23:29 |
| alterego | czr, I wrote one of those in TCL :) | 23:29 |
| czr | GNUton, italy is behind the mountains, it takes a while for the poor nokians to deliver the devices over the mountains | 23:29 |
| alterego | It didn't use the math. It attempted to solve the puzzles how I would. | 23:29 |
| alterego | Was quite pretty. | 23:29 |
| wumpus | a sudoku generator might be more useful | 23:29 |
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| GNUton | czr: :) | 23:29 |
| czr | wumpus, I prefer ones that ran on benzene/gas. some how I don't see a generator running on sudokus beind too powerful. | 23:30 |
| czr | unless you have a load of them. | 23:30 |
| alterego | czr, if yer interested: http://alterego.freeshell.org/source/tcl/ | 23:30 |
| alterego | I wrote it a _long_ time ago ^_^ | 23:31 |
| alterego | It's neat though. It has ANSI colour codes and everything ^_^ | 23:31 |
| shackan | what's wrong with you guys? | 23:31 |
| shackan | all this fuss about the discounted devices.. | 23:31 |
| wumpus | czr: well, as long as it generates enough power for the n800 | 23:31 |
| alterego | I'm complaining about the discontinued devices. | 23:32 |
| alterego | Pulled before they even got released to us . | 23:32 |
| czr | alterego, my brain just melted | 23:32 |
| K`zan | My cell phone crank charger works pretty well :). | 23:32 |
| alterego | czr, sorry. It's not a pretty program :/ | 23:33 |
| czr | can't you prettify it? | 23:33 |
| alterego | I'm not sure I can remember how to code in TCL .. | 23:33 |
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| alterego | All I'd do is make it load puzzles from a file .. | 23:34 |
| alterego | Insted of having them at the top of the file as they are ^_^ | 23:34 |
| alterego | Wow, that _is_ ugly code .. | 23:34 |
| czr | alterego, you also should be able to display all the valid solutions. not just the first one | 23:34 |
| czr | yeah, it is quite ugly :-) | 23:34 |
| alterego | It doesn't work like that. | 23:35 |
| alterego | It solves the puzzles how I would solve them. | 23:35 |
| czr | heh | 23:35 |
| alterego | It's actually missing 1 rule. | 23:35 |
| czr | you solve them? :-) | 23:35 |
| alterego | How I _would_ solve them ;) | 23:35 |
| guerby | GNUton, nothing on FR nokia store ... | 23:35 |
| czr | I mean. do you always manage to solve them? :-) | 23:35 |
| alterego | I've not done a sudoku in years. | 23:35 |
| czr | alterego, "08-Jul-2007 15:09 14k " | 23:35 |
| alterego | Yeah, even the really hard ones where you have to guess. | 23:35 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's when I moved it from it's original location. | 23:36 |
| czr | :-) | 23:36 |
| alterego | That's the date I spring cleaned my home directory on freeshell ^_^ | 23:36 |
| czr | anyhow, an irc-friend got to write a sudoku solver for his CS-course or smt | 23:36 |
| czr | and I was helping him out by reading through his C. | 23:36 |
| alterego | Yeah, probably a good 1st year task. | 23:36 |
| czr | then one of the long nights started thinking about group theory and relative group constraints | 23:37 |
| czr | and playing with couple of ideas on paper | 23:37 |
| alterego | Cool | 23:37 |
| czr | and the algorithms seem to work (on paper at least), but I yet have to implement them in code. | 23:37 |
| alterego | Heh, the code might be ugly but it's not a bad design really. | 23:37 |
| alterego | Very LISP .. | 23:37 |
| GNUton | guerby: http://boutique.nokia.fr/nokia-fr/product.aspx?sku=3752961&culture=fr-FR | 23:38 |
| alterego | Then again, TCL is quite LISPish in some respects. | 23:38 |
| * czr shrugs | 23:38 | |
| czr | never quite liked tcl too much | 23:38 |
| guerby | GNUton, well great! I don't know how nokia manages its web sites... | 23:38 |
| GNUton | guerby: :) | 23:39 |
| alterego | I learned it a long time ago when I was experimenting ;) | 23:39 |
| czr | guerby, by the power of perkele of course | 23:39 |
| alterego | Like you do when you're young ^_^ | 23:39 |
| alterego | After TCL I learned Python. | 23:39 |
| czr | alterego, LSD? LSD & TCL go hand in hand. and LISP. | 23:39 |
| alterego | Then after that I got into Ruby | 23:39 |
| alterego | Which was 2 years ago. | 23:39 |
| czr | I got stuck on python round 2000 methinks. | 23:40 |
| czr | never had the reason to move on really. | 23:40 |
| alterego | Well, I was perfectly happy with Python. | 23:40 |
| alterego | Like I said, I was experimenting. Every now-and-again I like to just learn another language. | 23:40 |
| alterego | I started on Ruby and thought. "Wow, this is better than Python". So I ditched Python and kept with Ruby ever since. | 23:41 |
| czr | "every now and then I like to implement a new language" | 23:41 |
| alterego | Hah | 23:41 |
| czr | well I do. | 23:41 |
| alterego | I still haven't gotten around to that yet ... | 23:41 |
| alterego | Maybe one day. | 23:42 |
| czr | most of them are quite domain-specific, so not sure if they count as language languages | 23:42 |
| alterego | Right | 23:42 |
| czr | and developing a generic language doesn't make a lot of sense to me | 23:42 |
| alterego | My language would be a lot like Ruby, just with slightly different syntax and naming conventions. | 23:43 |
| czr | except maybe when I have enough time I'll get back to one thing that been speccing for many years (mostly off, but still) | 23:43 |
| alterego | As well as a VM from get go .. | 23:43 |
| fysa | I miss ARexx. | 23:43 |
| alterego | The VM side is more appealing to me than the language side really. | 23:43 |
| * czr doesn't count runtime design issues as part of a language per se (including whether using a VM or not makes more sense. what is a VM anyway) | 23:44 | |
| timeless | czr: wanna help me write something evil? | 23:44 |
| alterego | I think I'd make it more network oriented too. The language would somehow be completely network transparent. | 23:44 |
| * alterego starts prototyping something. | 23:44 | |
| czr | timeless, not really :-) what did you have in mind? | 23:44 |
| czr | alterego, again, that's just an implementation detail :-) | 23:45 |
| alterego | czr, sure. | 23:45 |
| czr | C could easily be "completely network transparent" | 23:45 |
| alterego | Still, it'd be interesting. | 23:45 |
| wumpus | just what we need, another language :) | 23:45 |
| fysa | $data = file_get_contents("/tmp/blah.tmp"); | 23:46 |
| czr | wumpus, once you've written yet another mail client and yet another irc client, what else is there to do, except writing yet another language :-) | 23:46 |
| alterego | I'm suprised no-one has come up with a web language. (other than PHP) | 23:46 |
| fysa | $data = file_get_contents("http://somewhere.com/data/blah.tmp"); | 23:46 |
| derf | czr: You need another editor, first. | 23:46 |
| alterego | Another OS too .. | 23:46 |
| wumpus | I was just kidding, if you find it interesting then do it, it's how all the other languages that are now popular were started | 23:46 |
| czr | ah, forgot to add that. was thinking about it of course | 23:46 |
| fysa | yet another yet another. | 23:46 |
| wumpus | your own BSD fork! | 23:47 |
| czr | yet another editor with yet another built in mail client and yet another build in irc client, with a plugin interface which uses yet another programming language | 23:47 |
| czr | built in even. | 23:47 |
| alterego | Perfect | 23:48 |
| alterego | emacs 2.0 ? | 23:48 |
| wumpus | running on your own os, which again runs on your self-built hardware :P | 23:48 |
| alterego | emacosx? | 23:48 |
| czr | emacs for Web 2.0 | 23:48 |
| TheFool2 | any bluetooth pen testing stuff work on OS2007 ? | 23:48 |
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| czr | wumpus, or even better, the editor emits VHDL directly to an connected FPGA programmer which runs the editor, in effect, building its own environment | 23:49 |
| czr | Skynet | 23:49 |
| czr | or rather, Yet another Skynet | 23:49 |
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| wumpus | well, at least this one will not go out of control, will it? | 23:50 |
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| czr | they all get out of control. how else would they be fun? | 23:50 |
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| sciboy | Still looking for any info concerning running pygame apps at 400x240 with pixel doubling. | 23:50 |
| pupnik | hah | 23:51 |
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| pupnik | py-i-dont-wanna-think-about-what-system-im-running-on games | 23:52 |
| czr | anyhow, have fun guys & gals, I'll be off sleeping -> | 23:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, me too. | 23:52 |
| wumpus | later | 23:52 |
| alterego | g'night folks. | 23:52 |
| * czr corrupts two bits in alterego's Ruby | 23:52 | |
| alterego | NO! | 23:53 |
| czr | too late. | 23:53 |
| czr | they're now in my pocket | 23:53 |
| czr | I have compromising photos of them in dubious positions | 23:53 |
| alterego | Ooo .. Ruby port. | 23:53 |
| * czr hides & runs away | 23:53 | |
| alterego | ~pron | 23:53 |
| infobot | Yeah, like I couldn't tell what that REALLY means! | 23:53 |
| czr | heh | 23:54 |
| Mikho | :) | 23:54 |
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| sciboy | pupnik, Exactly the reason I'm looking to use it. | 23:54 |
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