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| lardman | eureka! | 00:07 |
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| lardman | ioctl(fd, 0x80); doesn't appear to actually send anything to the dsp task | 00:08 |
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| p| | does exists gtk-config on maemo ? | 00:19 |
| cbx33 | hahaha | 00:20 |
| cbx33 | i think it must have been an upgrade issue | 00:20 |
| cbx33 | my default repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free repo was missing | 00:20 |
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| cbx33 | grr | 00:28 |
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| cbx33 | ok i give up | 00:31 |
| cbx33 | i can't play ogg streams on the n800 | 00:31 |
| pupnik | using what program? | 00:33 |
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| cbx33 | anything | 00:36 |
| cbx33 | from gnump3d | 00:36 |
| cbx33 | it calls it an m3u | 00:37 |
| cbx33 | but it's an ogg | 00:37 |
| pupnik | mplayer should also play streams, but i think that's awkward | 00:37 |
| cbx33 | it';s crap | 00:37 |
| cbx33 | totem plays it fine | 00:37 |
| cbx33 | no problem | 00:37 |
| cbx33 | mplayer, just downloads the firs 300bytes.....and then caches it....and then stops | 00:38 |
| cbx33 | and ends | 00:38 |
| pupnik | got a stream for me to test? | 00:38 |
| cbx33 | unfortunately not | 00:38 |
| lardman | note to self, don't try to define ioctl commands in the range 0x80-0xff as they are disabled in the current dspgateway | 00:40 |
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| cbx33 | pupnik, what distro you running? | 00:41 |
| SignalN800 | hi there | 00:41 |
| cbx33 | just get gnump3d and whack a few audio files in /var/music | 00:41 |
| cbx33 | it works well | 00:41 |
| cbx33 | but just not on the n800 | 00:41 |
| pupnik | mplayer http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/41_30secOgg-b64M.ogg works here on 770 | 00:42 |
| lopz | bye | 00:42 |
| cbx33 | why not here | 00:42 |
| cbx33 | is it because it calls it an m3u i wonder | 00:42 |
| pupnik | try that link | 00:42 |
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| pupnik | http://qurl.org/yX | 00:43 |
| pupnik | short link | 00:43 |
| cbx33 | ty | 00:43 |
| cbx33 | yup works | 00:44 |
| cbx33 | so i wonder what is different | 00:44 |
| pupnik | i can't give m3u files to mplayer - i have to give it the ogg or stream URL directly (btw) | 00:45 |
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| pupnik | so if someone gives you a link to a stream in the form of a .m3u, download it and look at the URL contained in the .m3u file | 00:45 |
| pupnik | but this is all - very inconvenient - perhaps you would do best contacting the author of your favorite audio player | 00:46 |
| lardman | what does "Bad file descriptor" signify? | 00:46 |
| pupnik | and discussing it directly with them, instead of with ppl who have little influence | 00:46 |
| pupnik | i only saw that with a corrupt filesystem lardman | 00:46 |
| cbx33 | do you know of a media player for the n800 that will work like we disucseed? | 00:46 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, gnump3d seems to work really nicely, it's a shame that mplayer can't playit | 00:47 |
| pupnik | no i only have 770 - and haven't used much audio streaming | 00:47 |
| cbx33 | xmms can | 00:47 |
| cbx33 | winamp can | 00:47 |
| cbx33 | totem can | 00:47 |
| pupnik | where is gnump3d? | 00:47 |
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| pupnik | never heard of it | 00:48 |
| cbx33 | i got it from ubutnu repo | 00:48 |
| cbx33 | it's a really nice media streaming server | 00:48 |
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| pupnik | oh | 00:52 |
| shackan | zeenix: ping | 00:54 |
| pupnik | lame that the default 'Audio Player' doesn't support ogg at all. | 00:54 |
| pupnik | that's really sad for a linux handheld | 00:54 |
| cbx33 | yes | 00:54 |
| shackan | does os2008 do wmv ? | 00:54 |
| cbx33 | kilikali - how to get it to support ogg | 00:54 |
| pupnik | maybe we should make a poll on internettablettalk.com about ogg support | 00:55 |
| shackan | because I recorded some tv shows and then they didn't play, which is strange since there's wma support | 00:55 |
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| ShyBoy | can someone point me out what is the problem here? http://pastebin.com/d65574792 | 00:58 |
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| zeenix | shackan: pong! though i am about to sleep | 00:59 |
| pupnik | po/Makefile.in' is already registered with AC_CONFIG_FILES. | 01:00 |
| shackan | zeenix: quick, you wrote gmediaserver? | 01:00 |
| zeenix | shackan: not at all :) | 01:00 |
| shackan | oh, ok, sorry then | 01:00 |
| zeenix | np | 01:00 |
| ShyBoy | pupnik: do i need to change something in the code? | 01:00 |
| EnderTheThird | we don't have a mobile navigator for the n810 right now, do we? the mapping software i've seen is maps only, with no navigation, right? | 01:00 |
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| shackan | zeenix: because I have an mp3 which constantly crashes it | 01:01 |
| pupnik | dunno but that's the relevant error | 01:01 |
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| zeenix | shackan: i won't have any clues | 01:01 |
| zeenix | shackan: sorry! | 01:01 |
| shackan | np, good night | 01:02 |
| * |R agrees with pupnik about ogg | 01:02 | |
| zeenix | g'night to all | 01:02 |
| cbx33 | ok kilikali doesn't play oggs streams | 01:03 |
| cbx33 | I agree pupnik | 01:03 |
| ShyBoy | pupnik: I do not have any Makefile.in in po folder | 01:03 |
| cbx33 | IT sux | 01:03 |
| cbx33 | i don't want to mke all my music in mp3 | 01:03 |
| cbx33 | I want it in ogg | 01:03 |
| pupnik | search ITT and if there's no resolution for it, make a poll thread cbx33 | 01:04 |
| pupnik | ShyBoy: automake and stuff is very scary to me and i generally cower and hide in the corner and suck my thumb when it breaks | 01:04 |
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| cbx33 | well | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | I've about given up | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | maybe I'll try mp3 tomorrow | 01:06 |
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| lardman | night all | 01:13 |
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| khertan | it seems there is a bug with the command df in busy box .... "df -h /" | 01:14 |
| khertan | reth | 01:14 |
| derf | Just do df -h | 01:14 |
| khertan | return nothing | 01:14 |
| khertan | no ... i want just / not all | 01:15 |
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| derf | Well, do df -h and grep for the one you want. | 01:15 |
| khertan | yes ... but it s work with df -h / in anyother system it s bug :) | 01:15 |
| khertan | (thanks for the tips to use grep ...) | 01:16 |
| khertan | havent think of it ... too late /) | 01:16 |
| khertan | i ll go to sleep | 01:16 |
| derf | df -h / has never worked. | 01:16 |
| derf | I assume it's a "feature" of busybox. | 01:16 |
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| K`zan | Camera been released for 2008 yet? | 01:34 |
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| Atarii | zerojay u there? | 02:05 |
| zerojay | Atarii: Am now. | 02:09 |
| zerojay | K`zan: No, but you can use knips. | 02:09 |
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| zerojay | Atarii: Sup? | 02:14 |
| Atarii | pms gogogo | 02:15 |
| zerojay | Can't PM unless I'm registered. | 02:16 |
| zerojay | And I'm too lazy. | 02:16 |
| zerojay | What nick did you register? | 02:16 |
| zerojay | Oh, never mind, found it. | 02:16 |
| Atarii | :) | 02:16 |
| zerojay | I'll give you a new pass. You should be able to change it to whatever you want if you use a PC Jabber client and login first. | 02:17 |
| Atarii | kk | 02:17 |
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| pupnik | MITT ROMNEY campaign committing MASSIVE VOTING FRAUD at latest florida straw poll. Giuliani campaign organizer threatens whistleblower "You'll get hurt if you make a big deal out of this." http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Giuliani_supporter_says_to_RP_supporter_you_will_get_hurt http://kineticreaction.blogspot.com/2007/12/giuliani-supporter-says-to-rp-supporter.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjPY_ngxNU | 02:17 |
| zerojay | Send me a PM with your e-mail address. | 02:17 |
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| zerojay | k, hang on. | 02:18 |
| Atarii | lol thanks | 02:18 |
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| K`zan | zerojay: Will check it out thanks! Now if we can just get fmradio :-). | 02:19 |
| zerojay | K`zan: There's another app for that.. a python script. | 02:21 |
| zerojay | Atarii: Check your e-mail. | 02:21 |
| K`zan | zerojay: Err, whereis that hidden (knips)? | 02:21 |
| K`zan | Wading through the apps... | 02:22 |
| zerojay | I don't remember where I found it. I think if you just look up chinook knips you should be able to find it. | 02:22 |
| zerojay | Look it up on Google. | 02:22 |
| K`zan | rr, wilco, thanks | 02:22 |
| zerojay | I'll warn you now... it's unstable, but then again all the camera apps are. | 02:22 |
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| Atarii | thanks zerojay | 02:24 |
| Atarii | damn nothin recieved yet | 02:24 |
| zerojay | Let me know if you need anything else... or if it just never arrives. | 02:24 |
| Atarii | k, hope server side antispam doesnt eat it | 02:25 |
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| zerojay | Well, your password isn't "penis", so you should be safe. :) | 02:28 |
| Atarii | lol | 02:29 |
| Atarii | k just arrived <3 | 02:31 |
| K`zan | zerojay: Noticed that with camera too, had to run / exit it until the frame was sync'd. | 02:32 |
| zerojay | Sometimes, camera would just freeze up my entire tablet until I had to pull the battery. | 02:33 |
| K`zan | Ouch! Never had that happen, fortunately. | 02:35 |
| K`zan | Two new apps :-) Qt4 for os2008 4.3.2 and Qt4 for os2008 4.3.2 ! | 02:36 |
| K`zan | LOL | 02:37 |
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| doc|home | anyone still have libglade upgrade issues? | 02:41 |
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| K`zan | OK, now I know what jaiku is, looks like when Google started gmail, gotta get an invite to join. | 02:45 |
| K`zan | Neat idea from what I can tell of it. | 02:46 |
| zerojay | Quite a lot of tablet people are using it because of Mauku. | 02:46 |
| zerojay | Myself included. | 02:46 |
| K`zan | Guess I'll try for an invite then, handy for that too! | 02:47 |
| b0unc3 | are the nfs-modules disposable for OS2008 ? | 02:48 |
| zerojay | b0unc3: You mean available? | 02:48 |
| b0unc3 | zerojay: yes | 02:48 |
| K`zan | Wonder if one can watch channels there without being a member, gonna go root around and see. | 02:49 |
| zerojay | You can. | 02:49 |
| K`zan | Cool, not much to say at this point, so it is just as well LOL. | 02:49 |
| b0unc3 | zerojay: there is something like rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules and portmap pkg in some repo ? | 02:51 |
| zerojay | I haven't a clue, sorry. | 02:51 |
| zerojay | I believe I did see portmap though. | 02:51 |
| b0unc3 | zerojay: ok | 02:53 |
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| lopz | re | 03:28 |
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| pupnik | grr | 03:33 |
| pupnik | still enjoying the N800 i hope doc|home | 03:33 |
| K`zan | grr(2) | 03:33 |
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| pupnik | hi K`zan | 03:33 |
| K`zan | :-) | 03:33 |
| doc|home | pupnik: very much so :) | 03:33 |
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| pupnik | this makes me happy | 03:34 |
| doc|home | pupnik: would be nice if the libglade stuff wasn't acting up | 03:34 |
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| K`zan | Is anyone able to actually move stuff around in 2008 control-panel->organize applications? This is frustrating to be stuck with defaults. | 03:55 |
| K`zan | I've dragged map to all categories, SEVERAL times, to both text and icons and it won't move. WTF?!? | 03:56 |
| K`zan | Do I have to uninstall and then re-install to put it in some other folder? | 03:56 |
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| K`zan | Aha, drag text to text seems to work most often! | 03:57 |
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| K`zan | FBreader won't move :-(. Is there some place where I do this from xterm? | 04:00 |
| K`zan | Finally, on the 64 th drag and drop :). | 04:01 |
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| lophyte-n | hey all... any idea how to re-install libmediaplayer0? | 05:06 |
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| TheFool2 | does anyone here have experience doing bluetooth files transfers between their phone and their internet tablet? I am having some rather annoying issues. | 05:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Some phones support the profile well, some do not. | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sometimes it helps to try from the other end. | 05:21 |
| TheFool2 | thats a shame, my phone has a lot more storage than my 770. I was hoping it was something on the tablet side, and thus that it would be fixed eventually :( | 05:22 |
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| TheFool2 | Ok, haven't actually tried accessing the tablet from the phone | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | That usually works better for me. | 05:25 |
| TheFool2 | hmm, lol I can't find how to do that from the phone :( | 05:26 |
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| TheFool2 | ok seems to work that way :), thanks | 05:35 |
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| l7 | hrm, i hate how my stowaway has begun to spit out the same keypress about five times in a row after it's been idle | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have another bluetooth connection? | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2166 | 05:42 |
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| * halley ponders a PayPal bounty to someone getting maemocjk.garage working on OS2008. | 05:43 | |
| l7 | GeneralAntilles: well i have other bluetooth devices, but none are active | 05:51 |
| l7 | besides the stowaway | 05:51 |
| l7 | i was wondering if it was a keyboard profile issue | 05:51 |
| l7 | there really should be a stowaway profile in the OS | 05:52 |
| l7 | maybe 2008 has it | 05:52 |
| l7 | unless nokia wants you to buy _their_ keyboard :/ | 05:52 |
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| crevetor | hi | 05:56 |
| astro76 | it's bluetooth HID, a profile should not be necessary | 05:56 |
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| crevetor | Problem : I just put my device in R&D mode, changed the password for user, updated sudoers file to have user ALL PASSWD: ALL at the end, run a visudo -c and now my device boots alright but never show the interface (keeps stuck on the nokia screen with the progress bar) | 05:57 |
| crevetor | is there anything i could try before reflashing it ? | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | User shouldn't have a password. | 05:59 |
| halley | There's no problem with user having a passwd. | 05:59 |
| crevetor | I guess there isn't a way to access the device to modify this... | 05:59 |
| halley | Had you gotten OpenSSH on there first? | 06:00 |
| crevetor | halley only the client and the network isn't up at that point | 06:00 |
| crevetor | well i'll reflash it yet again | 06:02 |
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| ldspartan | is skype not installable or upgradeable for everyone else on n800 with os2008 right now? | 06:13 |
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| l7_ | did ctrl-c stop working for anyone else spontaneously on a bluetooth keyboard? | 06:16 |
| l7_ | ctrl-c for copy that is | 06:16 |
| l7_ | and cut and paste | 06:17 |
| l7_ | it was working when i first set it up, but i think messing with keyboard profiles broke it | 06:17 |
| l7_ | then i tried all three keyboard profiles in OS2007 | 06:17 |
| l7_ | none brought it back, so it is a mystery | 06:17 |
| K`zan | reset the keyboard ?!? | 06:18 |
| halley | Try hitting Ctrl a number of times? | 06:18 |
| l7_ | another one for bug reports i guess | 06:18 |
| l7_ | reset the keyboard? | 06:18 |
| l7_ | delete profile you mean? | 06:18 |
| l7_ | it's only broken in osso xterm | 06:19 |
| l7_ | maybe it's an xterm issue | 06:19 |
| l7_ | it's still works in other apps | 06:19 |
| K`zan | Possible, I don't have one so that was just a guess :). | 06:19 |
| halley | Can you NOT test your keyboard in this channel? | 06:21 |
| l7_ | okay okay | 06:21 |
| l7_ | i thought i almost had it | 06:21 |
| astro76 | l7_, out of curiousity do you have the ultra-slim or the bigger one? | 06:22 |
| l7_ | astro76: the ultra-slim | 06:22 |
| l7_ | did you encounter something similar? | 06:22 |
| astro76 | l7_, I encountered issues with os2007, it works flawlessly now with 2008 | 06:23 |
| l7_ | it might have something to do with the ctrl "button" | 06:23 |
| l7_ | hrm | 06:23 |
| astro76 | l7_, for instance setting the shortcuts, I would get this <alt2> popping up with I did <Fn>C, also, the defaul shortcuts are now sensible | 06:23 |
| astro76 | l7_, but either way the only profile you want is generic 105-key | 06:24 |
| l7_ | i guess i will have to get 2008 | 06:24 |
| astro76 | yeah | 06:24 |
| l7_ | ah thanks, i will stick with 105 | 06:24 |
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| l7_ | the default setting seems to the nokia keyboard strangely | 06:24 |
| astro76 | l7_, oh and yeah the ultra-slim also | 06:24 |
| l7_ | have you noticed different behavior with other profiles? | 06:25 |
| l7_ | all the keyboard profiles seem to act the same for me so far | 06:25 |
| astro76 | l7_, didn't try it, wouldn't expect it to work | 06:26 |
| astro76 | but the stowaways are standard bluetooth KB HID profile | 06:26 |
| l7_ | ah | 06:27 |
| l7_ | by the way, does your keyboard automatically reconnect after it wakes up? | 06:27 |
| l7_ | mine seems to sometimes | 06:27 |
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| l7_ | but most of the time i've had to go into control panel and tell it to connect via the bluetooth menu | 06:27 |
| astro76 | hmm not sure | 06:27 |
| astro76 | haven't had it that long | 06:28 |
| astro76 | how long untill the keyboard sleeps? | 06:28 |
| l7_ | hrm not sure | 06:28 |
| l7_ | five to ten minutes i think | 06:28 |
| astro76 | I'll try ;) | 06:29 |
| Rocketman | So, whats everyone up to this evening? | 06:29 |
| l7_ | heh cool | 06:29 |
| l7_ | nitpicking bugs? | 06:29 |
| astro76 | l7_, sure would be useful if the Function keys were labeled rather then the useless labels on it now | 06:35 |
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| astro76 | but hey I'm thrilled, especially for $30 | 06:36 |
| l7_ | hey, my keyboard does autoreconnect in 2007 | 06:37 |
| l7_ | it just takes a few seconds | 06:37 |
| l7_ | anyhow i am also loving it for $30 :) | 06:38 |
| astro76 | and the n800 for $230, this has been good year :D | 06:38 |
| l7_ | i would like a fifth row for numbers, but it's not worth the extra weight, or money | 06:38 |
| halley | 'rather THAN' | 06:38 |
| l7_ | heh | 06:38 |
| l7_ | i got mine for 200 | 06:38 |
| l7_ | but i'm not sure the two month? wait was worth it | 06:39 |
| astro76 | yeah plus you can't use that one on your lap, it doesn't lock | 06:39 |
| astro76 | I keep checking hoping it will go down to $30 also | 06:39 |
| l7_ | you mean the sierra five row doesn't lock? | 06:39 |
| astro76 | yeah | 06:39 |
| l7_ | the ultra-slim seems so fragile though | 06:39 |
| l7_ | i'm afriad to use it on my lap | 06:40 |
| astro76 | neah it locks tight | 06:40 |
| l7_ | yeah this is a really good keyboard | 06:40 |
| astro76 | I'm impressed | 06:40 |
| l7_ | probably the best bluetooth one i have heard | 06:40 |
| l7_ | i wonder why amazon is selling it so cheap | 06:41 |
| astro76 | me too | 06:41 |
| l7_ | cnet's review of nokia's keyboard seemed to say it was inferior | 06:41 |
| astro76 | not to mention overpriced... and hard to find | 06:41 |
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| astro76 | kind of pointless really | 06:41 |
| l7_ | but it looks neat | 06:42 |
| l7_ | it's almost as if nokia is copying apple | 06:42 |
| * l7_ knocks on wood | 06:42 | |
| halley | amazon url? | 06:42 |
| astro76 | I think it's sold out again | 06:43 |
| l7_ | for the stowaway? | 06:43 |
| l7_ | weird | 06:43 |
| l7_ | i saw it sell out after blackfriday | 06:43 |
| halley | amazon url? | 06:43 |
| l7_ | then it was back last i checked | 06:43 |
| ldspartan | it's this, right? http://tinyurl.com/2oyu9j | 06:43 |
| astro76 | then sold out again | 06:43 |
| astro76 | it's back | 06:43 |
| astro76 | http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1196657009&sr=8-1 | 06:43 |
| astro76 | crazy | 06:44 |
| astro76 | get it while it's hot | 06:44 |
| astro76 | the n800 is out too | 06:44 |
| astro76 | err is out | 06:44 |
| astro76 | of stock | 06:44 |
| astro76 | on amazon :p | 06:44 |
| l7_ | wow so it is | 06:44 |
| l7_ | wow | 06:44 |
| astro76 | heh $400 from compUSA | 06:45 |
| l7_ | buy.com was cheaper for the n800 i remember | 06:45 |
| l7_ | that 200 lot sold out quick | 06:45 |
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| l7_ | amazon was giving free two day shipping for the keyboard around blackfriday i think | 06:46 |
| astro76 | I ordered black friday and got free standard | 06:46 |
| l7_ | yyyyyyeah same here | 06:47 |
| l7_ | there's that bug | 06:47 |
| l7_ | six in a row | 06:47 |
| l7_ | it's a feature | 06:47 |
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| l7_ | screw xmas | 06:47 |
| l7_ | i wish every day were black friday | 06:48 |
| astro76 | I jumped on it Friday because I didn't expect it to last | 06:50 |
| astro76 | and contrary to some reviews, the device stand is easily removable | 06:51 |
| astro76 | not sure what they were on | 06:52 |
| l7_ | hrm i'm afraid to remove it | 06:52 |
| l7_ | it seems like it will break | 06:52 |
| astro76 | no don't be, it's really sturdy :p | 06:52 |
| astro76 | start closing the stand and you'll see the gaps, twist it off | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been on and off of mine several times | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | it wont break. | 06:53 |
| l7_ | heh ok | 06:53 |
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| blithe | Whoa, why is that stowaway so cheap? | 08:10 |
| lopz | bye | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a holiday deal. | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Buy now. | 08:14 |
| blithe | Done. :P | 08:15 |
| blithe | Gotta move fast on that stuff. | 08:15 |
| blithe | haha | 08:15 |
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| K`zan | Night folks! | 08:18 |
| rip__ | night ? | 08:21 |
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| rip__ | its 3:50pm in Australia | 08:21 |
| rip__ | ;) | 08:21 |
| rip__ | wide awake time | 08:22 |
| K`zan | :-) 2222 here atm, after a LONG day :). | 08:22 |
| rip__ | lol | 08:22 |
| rip__ | fair enough | 08:22 |
| rip__ | nite! | 08:22 |
| K`zan | Night Mate! | 08:22 |
| K`zan | Well, in 7 minutes when Futurerama is over:) | 08:23 |
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| tigert_ | morn | 09:08 |
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| tigert | time is more cool without this am/pm crap :) | 09:09 |
| * tigert likes 13:37 o'clock ;) | 09:10 | |
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| |R | tigert haha i thought nobody cared ;) | 09:21 |
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| rip__ | does the OS2008 support 24hour time yet ? | 09:24 |
| rip__ | I think it only does 12hour which is a shame :( | 09:24 |
| tigert | eh? | 09:25 |
| tigert | it is bound to the locale i think | 09:25 |
| |R | i have 24h here | 09:25 |
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| tigert | ie, regional settings | 09:26 |
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| |R | n800/2008b language:en settings:fr_ca (don't ask, quebec... ;) | 09:26 |
| tigert | well | 09:27 |
| tigert | my language is set to fenglish but fi regional settings | 09:27 |
| |R | :) | 09:27 |
| tigert | erm | 09:28 |
| tigert | fenglish :D | 09:28 |
| fysa | you set it in clock app? | 09:28 |
| fysa | pretty sure | 09:28 |
| tigert | control panel -> language and region | 09:28 |
| tigert | clock has a menu shortcut to that too | 09:28 |
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| fysa | oooo qt4 | 09:33 |
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| fysa | good work | 09:33 |
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| rothiel | Hi guys :) | 10:50 |
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| Rocketman | Anyone noticing much higher baseline memory useage with OS 2007 | 10:57 |
| Rocketman | ??? | 10:57 |
| Rocketman | OS 2008, I mean | 10:57 |
| Rocketman | I ran top with nothing running and it seems like there are a lot of things running that don't need to be | 10:59 |
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| Rocketman | like metalayer-crawl | 11:02 |
| Rocketman | and mediaplayer-eng | 11:02 |
| Rocketman | and what is e-adressbook-f? | 11:03 |
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| tigert | composite manager? | 11:05 |
| tigert | would take some memory | 11:05 |
| tigert | metalayer-crawler is looking up and indexing your media files for media player | 11:06 |
| tigert | it can be argued if it sucks or not, but it is needed so you will see your mp3s in the player hierarchy | 11:06 |
| Rocketman | I disabled it on metalayer-crawler on OS 2007 because it puked on my maemo mapper directories | 11:08 |
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| tigert | yeah | 11:08 |
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| tigert | it kinda does | 11:08 |
| tigert | when there are gazillion files | 11:08 |
| Rocketman | now that MM is using a database scheme I could maybe leave it alone | 11:09 |
| tigert | does mm store the tiles themselves too in the db? | 11:09 |
| tigert | then it might help, yeah | 11:09 |
| Rocketman | but it is using up 12 MB and is running all the time | 11:09 |
| tigert | hm | 11:09 |
| tigert | let me see on mine | 11:09 |
| timelyx | yeah maemo mapper switched for newewr versions | 11:09 |
| Rocketman | 2.x of MM does everything in a db now | 11:10 |
| timelyx | it doesn't help people w/ old file systems | 11:10 |
| Rocketman | much more space efficient | 11:10 |
| timelyx | and the idea that you can blame or credit mm is stupid | 11:10 |
| timelyx | the crawler is fundamentally flawed | 11:10 |
| Rocketman | as you don't end up with file slack | 11:10 |
| timelyx | that's kinda bogus btw | 11:10 |
| timelyx | you'll end up w/ db padding instead | 11:10 |
| timelyx | smaller sure, but non zero | 11:11 |
| timelyx | what if i have ~1gb or ~2gb of map data from the original maemo mapper | 11:11 |
| tigert | 1319 user SW 143M 1 0.115.3 browser | 11:11 |
| tigert | heh | 11:11 |
| timelyx | and i update my os2007 to os2008 | 11:11 |
| Rocketman | yeah, why not simply do a scan when you launch the media player | 11:11 |
| timelyx | i instantly lose maemo mapper | 11:11 |
| timelyx | Rocketman: "instant behaviors expected" | 11:11 |
| timelyx | i.e. annoying ui designer requirements | 11:11 |
| tigert | Rocketman: but are you running out of mem all the time? | 11:11 |
| tigert | or why do you worry about free mem? | 11:12 |
| Rocketman | I have like 90 Mb used on a clean system | 11:12 |
| Rocketman | swapping slows things down | 11:12 |
| Rocketman | and kills your flash memory | 11:12 |
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| Rocketman | which in the n810 is soldered on | 11:13 |
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| Rocketman | Some of the obvious inefficiencies in the OS bug me | 11:15 |
| Rocketman | they either need to provide more ram or design more efficiently | 11:16 |
| Rocketman | preferably both | 11:16 |
| tigert | if people didnt scream about iphone eyecandy it would be a lot easier :) | 11:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give it time, Rocketman, give it time. :) | 11:17 |
| tigert | I guess the problem always is that you want to do a bit more what the hardware can nicely do | 11:17 |
| Rocketman | i'll use a command prompt if it is more efficient... | 11:17 |
| tigert | I still think os2008 works better than the 770 did for example | 11:17 |
| Rocketman | The metalayer crawler issue were griped about on OS 2007 a lot too | 11:18 |
| tigert | not least because it had some nasty bugs | 11:18 |
| timelyx | still does :) | 11:20 |
| * timelyx sighs | 11:21 | |
| timelyx | it's time for me to nag quim and friends | 11:21 |
| Jiten_ | is there a program for n800 that can interact with a mythtv box? like watch television and such? | 11:22 |
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| Jiten_ | ah, nevermind, found maemomyth | 11:23 |
| Rocketman | brb, disabled metalayer crawler and need to reboot | 11:27 |
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| Rocketman | Bit more free memory after disabling metalayer-crawler | 11:43 |
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| timelyx | Rocketman: what's wrong w/ using htop to see memory usage? | 11:46 |
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| timelyx | shouldn't you have a fairly good idea what kind of win you'll get? | 11:46 |
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| Rocketman | I was using top | 11:50 |
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| rip__ | any more responsive from disabling the metalayer-crawler ? | 12:05 |
| rip__ | I personally have a horrid disgust with the inbuilt media player | 12:05 |
| rip__ | its slow, and can't play any of my video files | 12:07 |
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| rip__ | and I can't stand the layout .. | 12:07 |
| rip__ | I just can't wait till Canola2 comes out :) | 12:07 |
| solmumaha | i think the builtin is great | 12:09 |
| solmumaha | except for video | 12:09 |
| Rocketman | A bit more free memory, but no dramatic speed increases or anything | 12:10 |
| rip__ | I don't use the n800 for Music, I can't comment on that part | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Built-in works fine for me. | 12:10 |
| Rocketman | Most of the Nokia provided apps are pretty half-assed | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Video's great, even, if you set it up properly. | 12:10 |
| Rocketman | just look at the rss reader and email | 12:11 |
| rip__ | wern't they going to release another version of the email ? but didn't have time | 12:11 |
| Rocketman | Mplayer is the only way to go for video | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | modest will be around soon enough | 12:12 |
| rip__ | I use mplayer all the time for the N800 :) | 12:12 |
| Rocketman | They have alluded to an email client called Modest for ages | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | BIG, HUGE, improvement over the current client. | 12:12 |
| Rocketman | but the proof is in the pudding | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | A preview was just released. | 12:12 |
| Rocketman | I use claws or webmail | 12:12 |
| rip__ | I do like how the programs are integrated though | 12:12 |
| rip__ | no need to login | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be here soon enough, Mr. Pessimist. :P | 12:12 |
| rip__ | it just blinks blue leds when I get an email or message | 12:13 |
| rip__ | which is pretty sweet | 12:13 |
| Rocketman | I consider myself a realist | 12:13 |
| rip__ | since im pretty lazy and never check email ;) | 12:13 |
| Rocketman | Nokia has had the same, much maligned email app since the 770 | 12:13 |
| Rocketman | If you are going to call yourself an Internet Tablet, you better do email really, really well | 12:14 |
| rip__ | well, I don't mind the email, | 12:14 |
| kulve | doesn't the os2008 have a new email app? | 12:15 |
| Rocketman | and the builtin is basically useless if you get more than 5 emails a day | 12:15 |
| rip__ | but I only get messages from family and none of them send me bloated html email | 12:15 |
| Rocketman | aweful, aweful workflow | 12:15 |
| rip__ | lol | 12:16 |
| rip__ | well ive finally got wireless-tools on my n800 OS2008 :) | 12:16 |
| Rocketman | cool | 12:16 |
| rip__ | buggered if I could package it into a deb file though | 12:16 |
| rip__ | had to scp it over to the n800 from the SDK | 12:16 |
| Rocketman | you don't happen to have an updated build of kismet? | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | kulve, it's called Modest, and it's not here yet. | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But soon enough. | 12:17 |
| rip__ | I didn't think kismet even worked on the chipset in the tablets ? | 12:17 |
| Rocketman | I noticed they released a new one in October | 12:17 |
| Rocketman | works on all of em rip | 12:17 |
| rip__ | ahh ok cool | 12:18 |
| Rocketman | There are some issues though | 12:18 |
| rip__ | what chipset is in them ? | 12:18 |
| rip__ | I couldn't work out how to find out | 12:18 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: oh? Is it going to be in the final os2008? Just not in the beta? | 12:18 |
| Rocketman | mainly due to Nokia trying to yank back the interface with its auto connection scanning feature | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm guessing February or maybe January. | 12:18 |
| kulve | so no | 12:18 |
| kulve | that's odd.. | 12:19 |
| Rocketman | and sending it into low power mode all the time, due to the short screen blanking issues | 12:19 |
| rip__ | ahh ok | 12:19 |
| Rocketman | There is a thread on ITT that shows you how to add new intervals to the two display related power management options | 12:20 |
| Rocketman | I set mine to add a couple hour interval for when I am running kismet | 12:21 |
| Rocketman | works on n810 too | 12:21 |
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| Rocketman | I should check on kismet with GPSD now that the n810 has one built in | 12:22 |
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| rip__ | im building kismet on the SDK atm, so far it hasn't bombed out | 12:25 |
| rip__ | :P | 12:25 |
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| Rocketman | You should post kismet once it is built to ITT | 12:32 |
| Rocketman | If you can't package it yourself there are plenty of people who can help there | 12:32 |
| rip__ | well, it compiles on the SDK | 12:32 |
| Rocketman | cool | 12:33 |
| rip__ | i would imagine someone who knows how to package would have an SDK to compile it | 12:33 |
| rip__ | I was using Mud to package things up | 12:33 |
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| rip__ | which seems to work a treat on programs like OLSRD | 12:33 |
| Rocketman | might check out the config file from prev versions to see proper settings | 12:33 |
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| Rocketman | anyways, running low on batt | 12:34 |
| Rocketman | night | 12:34 |
| rip__ | lol | 12:34 |
| rip__ | np nite | 12:34 |
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| pupnik_ | i think you are all just pretending to have N810s as part of a psy-ops campaign against europe | 12:35 |
| rip__ | lol | 12:35 |
| rip__ | I have an n800 :p | 12:35 |
| rip__ | the N800's in Australia are so hard to get, and the ones you can get are all imports | 12:35 |
| rip__ | and are at a disgusting price of almost 600 bucks | 12:35 |
| pupnik_ | yeah australia got the real short end :/ | 12:35 |
| rip__ | I got my from the US for 350 AUD | 12:36 |
| rip__ | and 75 bucks of that was freight :p | 12:36 |
| pupnik_ | mm.. i b back | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | cheers rip | 12:38 |
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| timelyx | rip__: note that if you get more than 5 messages an hour, the blue light in email will suck | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:44 |
| rip__ | lol | 12:45 |
| * timelyx considers checking the messages per minute mark here | 12:45 | |
| rip__ | im lucky to get 1 email a day ;) | 12:45 |
| timelyx | looks like i'm only getting 4 messages per minute atm | 12:46 |
| timelyx | some minutes are heavier than others | 12:46 |
| rip__ | lol | 12:46 |
| timelyx | can you imagine the blue light or the popup indicator? | 12:46 |
| rip__ | I guess | 12:46 |
| rip__ | if its always going off ;) | 12:46 |
| timelyx | yes. | 12:46 |
| rip__ | I guess thats where claws mail comes in | 12:47 |
| timelyx | how? | 12:47 |
| timelyx | You are currently using 1196 MB (22%) of your 5425 MB. | 12:47 |
| rip__ | or the other ones that arn't intergrated | 12:47 |
| timelyx | Inbox (91746) | 12:47 |
| rip__ | well it wouldn't always be blinking then :p | 12:47 |
| timelyx | that's unread conversations | 12:47 |
| rip__ | lol | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 12:47 |
| timelyx | this mailbox is relatively new, <<1yr old | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd nuke my inbox and go live in the wilderness. | 12:48 |
| timelyx | i filled 1 gmail account before it :) | 12:48 |
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| doc|home | mpcc is great, can switch off monitor on desktop, lie in bed and just play music through the desktop's speakers :) | 12:52 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder if there's some sort of mpc -> iTunes daemon somewhere. | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | *d | 13:03 |
| lardman | shackan: same as shacka1? | 13:04 |
| shackan | mm, yes | 13:05 |
| lardman | Could you make any more sense of that fn? | 13:06 |
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| rip__ | doc|home mpcc ? | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mmpc | 13:10 |
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| lardman | hmm, 3rd of Dec and still no N810 in the Nokia shop.... | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ooh, sweet I found an unopened jug of cranberry juice in the back of the fridge. | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yum. | 13:16 |
| lardman | fermented? | 13:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nah, expiration is in February. ;) | 13:23 |
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| Rocketman | hey etrunko | 14:39 |
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| Rocketman | Busy with Canola? | 14:39 |
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| etrunko | Rocketman: kind of... | 14:40 |
| etrunko | hehe | 14:40 |
| Rocketman | Hey, you did the original port of Xournal, right? | 14:41 |
| Rocketman | Any chance of getting an updated version for OS 2008? | 14:42 |
| pupnik | timelyx: a really useful extension/feature for the OS2008 browser would be to only activate embedded flash on user tap - would prevent all the flashvertisement crap from bogging down the browser. | 14:42 |
| Rocketman | In between releasing Canola and all :) | 14:42 |
| Rocketman | pupnik, I believe you can do that with greasemonkey | 14:43 |
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| Rocketman | which is available I believe | 14:43 |
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| RipTorn | Canola ? sweet :) I love canola ;) | 14:45 |
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| Rocketman | we are not worthy | 14:46 |
| Rip2 | is Canola going to be available on any other platform? or only Maemo ? | 14:47 |
| Rip2 | I would love it on my Incar PC | 14:47 |
| Rip2 | would give me an excuse to have a touch screen in my car | 14:47 |
| Rocketman | I have a carputer too | 14:47 |
| Rip2 | which also runs Linux :p | 14:47 |
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| Rocketman | runs windows, unfortunately | 14:48 |
| Rip2 | I've been playing with the mythTV frontend which is horrid for a incar PC | 14:48 |
| Rip2 | and way too bloated | 14:48 |
| Rip2 | Canola2 would be perfect | 14:48 |
| Rocketman | I mainly use mine for obdII, gps, sat radio, podcasts, etc | 14:49 |
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| Rocketman | pretty much all of which could be replaced by a tablet | 14:49 |
| Rocketman | cept my car has 8" screen | 14:49 |
| Rip2 | mines currently under my desk at frustration at from no decent frontend | 14:50 |
| Rocketman | can show much more detailed, readable maps | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the frontend issue is what's keeping me from doing something with my old Mac mini. | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aren't those 8" screens 800x480? :P | 14:51 |
| Rip2 | mines a MiniITX that had a horrid TV out solution on a mini DVD Screen :( | 14:51 |
| Rip2 | I need a VGA solution :p | 14:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's really something I'd like to do. | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plenty of room, and the dash lends itself pretty well to the purpose. | 14:52 |
| astro76 | Rocketman, can you get a vnc client for the carputer? could vnc to the tablet ;) | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could there be an any more round-about and wasteful solution than that? | 14:54 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Does there is change on the network wifi driver on chinook ? | 14:54 |
| astro76 | I'm sure we could think of something more convoluted | 14:54 |
| Khertan_TheReal | can we now use monitor mode ? | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hire a guy to transceiver it into morse code? | 14:55 |
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| Rocketman | kismet runs on my n810 | 14:55 |
| Rocketman | haven't done a lot of testing, but it picks up networks | 14:55 |
| Khertan_TheReal | without disconnecting after 5 minutes ? | 14:55 |
| Rocketman | Like I said, haven't done a lot of testing | 14:56 |
| Rip2 | did you manage to package it up ? | 14:56 |
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| Rocketman | you can change display timeout same as on 2007 | 14:56 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve made a test of dsniff 5 minute ago ... but i doen't capture anything ... don't capture my own packet | 14:56 |
| Rocketman | so it doesn't trigger pm so quickly | 14:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and i ve don't find wireless tool for chinook so i ve try monitoring mode ... | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other than haxing some poor schmuck's network, what's the point? :P | 14:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | to capture my own packet ... | 14:57 |
| Rocketman | kismet is very very useful | 14:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and to do audit... one part of my job ;) | 14:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so no more laptop computer ;) | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, employment purposes | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | but not many people can say that's part of their job description. ;) | 14:58 |
| Rocketman | shows hidden networks, scans continuously and can show information on connected clients | 14:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | yes of course, but always usefull | 14:59 |
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| Rocketman | to say nothing of gps logging for creation of maps | 14:59 |
| Rip2 | I'm part of a wireless community, Kismet is pretty cool for checking on nodes and that | 14:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but useless on n800 with bora | 15:00 |
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| pupnik | i hope the n800 production facility gets the little fit and finish niggles worked out | 15:02 |
| pupnik | 810 | 15:02 |
| Rocketman | what wireless community, Rip? | 15:02 |
| Rip2 | ntfreenet in Australia, | 15:02 |
| halley | pupnik, like what? | 15:02 |
| Rip2 | we mainly use OpenWRT running Freifunk | 15:03 |
| Rip2 | and I notice [mbm] is in here from OpenWRT :p | 15:03 |
| Rip2 | so im in good company ;) | 15:03 |
| Rocketman | I go to the Seattle Wireless meetings pretty often | 15:03 |
| pupnik | from ITT: three reports of something rattling around inside. two reports of off-center keyboard. one report of kickstand rubbing the case when closed | 15:03 |
| Rip2 | cool, I used to watch there videos | 15:03 |
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| pupnik | their videos | 15:03 |
| Rocketman | freifunk network is damn cool | 15:04 |
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| Rip2 | I'd love to have that many interested people in the NT ;) | 15:04 |
| pupnik | what does frefunk do that's cool? | 15:04 |
| Rocketman | I printed out one of their nodemaps as a poster once | 15:04 |
| pupnik | sounds like a free wifi net | 15:04 |
| Rip2 | Freifunk mainly uses OLSRd and B.A.T.M.A.N for mesh routing | 15:04 |
| pupnik | ah | 15:04 |
| Rocketman | They have one of the biggest community run networks in the world | 15:05 |
| Rip2 | and its generally used with mesh networks that are free | 15:05 |
| Rip2 | yeah the Berlin Freifunk network is pretty massive | 15:05 |
| Rip2 | and have some talent behind it ;) | 15:05 |
| Rip2 | Sven the smarty pants | 15:05 |
| Rip2 | :p | 15:05 |
| Rocketman | and it is all based around cheap little wireless routers running linux and open mesh routing protocols | 15:05 |
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| Rip2 | works pretty damn well | 15:06 |
| Rocketman | olsr is available for maemo you know | 15:06 |
| pupnik | cool | 15:06 |
| Rip2 | for Chinook ? | 15:06 |
| Rip2 | I found it for Bora | 15:06 |
| Rip2 | but not Chinook | 15:06 |
| Rocketman | A lot of Bora packages work fine | 15:06 |
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| Rip2 | ahh ok | 15:07 |
| Rocketman | the incompatabilities are much exagerated | 15:07 |
| Rocketman | haven't tried a lot of things yet | 15:07 |
| Rip2 | I submitted some files to MUD for Olsrd 0.5.4 to be built with Mud | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's not so much that, Rocketman, as that the Gtk breaks are very visible. ;) | 15:07 |
| Rip2 | which spits out all the plugins and daemon which seem to work sweet on my N800 | 15:08 |
| Rocketman | I've been using my n800 with Os 2008 as a test before installing a Bora app on my 810 | 15:08 |
| Rip2 | is N810 really that much better? | 15:09 |
| Rocketman | I'm liking it for the most part | 15:09 |
| Rip2 | even reading the ITT its hard to work out :p | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No hardware upgrades, so who cares? | 15:09 |
| bedboi | guys excuse me if i pose such a question, btw i'm not so well informed on the status of the discount codes. Anyone as fresh news regarding when we can use them? | 15:09 |
| Rocketman | keyboard works pretty well, as you can see | 15:09 |
| Veggen | I guess the difference is builtin gps, and keyboard. | 15:09 |
| Rip2 | the N800 in Australia is still almost 600 :( id hate to see how much N810 will cost ..... | 15:09 |
| Veggen | but one drawback is no exchangeable insternal SD. | 15:10 |
| Rocketman | Don't forget the screen | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else notice that UPnP is unbelievably slow in Media player compared to OS2007? | 15:10 |
| Rocketman | The memory slot change was a BIG negative for me | 15:10 |
| Rocketman | almost decided against getting it | 15:10 |
| Rip2 | ugh don't mention SD cards to me :p I'd hard enough finding anything over 4gig in stores around here | 15:11 |
| Rip2 | and when I've tried ordering 8gigs from Amazon it spits saying it only posts to USA | 15:11 |
| * Rip2 spits | 15:11 | |
| Veggen | Any reports whether or not the 8GB corruptionness is truly fixed, now? | 15:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It is, Veggen. | 15:12 |
| Veggen | I've been holding off bying those until I'm sure. | 15:12 |
| Veggen | can you buy any 8GB card (as long as it's SDHC-compliant)? | 15:12 |
| Rocketman | Haven't heard many reports of dead cards since the recent OS 2007 revision | 15:12 |
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| Rocketman | pretty much | 15:13 |
| Rip2 | Rocketman : did you package up your Kismet for OS2008 ? or just copy over the files ? | 15:13 |
| Rocketman | I think 16 GB cards are coming to market too | 15:13 |
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| Rip2 | 16 GB cards would be nice :) | 15:13 |
| Rocketman | mine isn't a 2008 specific build | 15:13 |
| Rip2 | ahh ok just the old one ? | 15:14 |
| Rocketman | using same deb as was using for 2007 | 15:14 |
| Rip2 | ahh sweet | 15:14 |
| Rocketman | yeah | 15:14 |
| Rip2 | cheers | 15:14 |
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| pupnik | i've already got a couple hundred games, songs and a couple hours of vid on my 2GB rs-mmc | 15:20 |
| pupnik | but more is always better | 15:20 |
| pupnik | i wish UAE would do better screen scaling | 15:21 |
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| Rocketman | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219 | 15:22 |
| Rocketman | vnc client for 2008 | 15:22 |
| Rocketman | just tested | 15:22 |
| Rocketman | works fine on my 810 | 15:22 |
| pupnik | woot | 15:23 |
| Tak | pupnik: how's the dosbox xmaeme frontend coming? | 15:23 |
| pupnik | vnc will be real nice with that k | 15:23 |
| pupnik | ah i got the module built and not seeing the tab come up | 15:23 |
| pupnik | lookin into that today | 15:23 |
| Rocketman | just used vnc to update my web server | 15:23 |
| pupnik | Tak - ah would you be interested in looking at a python frontend? | 15:24 |
| pupnik | they do some good things with layout that i think you might want to borrow | 15:24 |
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| pupnik | http://www.panayotis.com/prog/scripts/pydosbox/index.html | 15:26 |
| pupnik | ty for the reminder though Tak | 15:26 |
| Tak | heh - the work's already done to have xmaeme in C - we may as well save the users some ram/cpu and keep it in C at this point | 15:27 |
| Rocketman | laters, really ought to try and sleep | 15:28 |
| Rocketman | night all | 15:28 |
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| Rip2 | CoolCool | 15:30 |
| Rip2 | ugh | 15:30 |
| Rip2 | trying to type via VNC | 15:30 |
| Rip2 | :P | 15:30 |
| Rip2 | cool | 15:30 |
| Rip2 | works fine | 15:30 |
| Rip2 | id rather the small keyboard than a thumb board | 15:30 |
| Rip2 | but I guess its rigged up for N810 with a keyboard | 15:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Excellent, just got mpd set up. | 15:41 |
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| lardman|home | Right, this is probably a bit of a school boy question, but here goes :) | 15:54 |
| qos | is here somebody who uses load-applet? | 15:55 |
| lardman|home | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5906a771 | 15:55 |
| lardman|home | any thoughts on what causes "Bad file descriptor"? | 15:55 |
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| lardman|home | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/mp3/minimad-arm/ is arm-side code | 15:56 |
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| lardman|home | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/mp3/madmp3dec/ is dsp-side code | 15:56 |
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| pupnik | lardman|home: it not finding the file at all? | 15:57 |
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| lcloki | does somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me | 15:57 |
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| pupnik | Standard input has a file descriptor of 0, standard output uses 1, and the number 2 is used by standard error. | 15:58 |
| lardman|home | yeah, the error naming is wrong, it used to read from stdin and write to stdout, but I wanted to see output so I altered it to read to/from giles | 15:59 |
| lardman|home | files | 15:59 |
| lardman|home | in retrospect, I could have left it as was and just looked at the stderr output | 16:00 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 16:00 |
| pupnik | thx for the source | 16:01 |
| lardman|home | If I declare something (a struct) as static (global) in one source file, I should be able to access it in another if I use "extern struct blah" etc.? | 16:03 |
| lardman|home | the two files are linked together | 16:03 |
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| derf | If you declare it as a global, yes. | 16:03 |
| derf | If you declare it as static, no. | 16:03 |
| rothiel | static =/= lardman | 16:04 |
| pupnik | what happens if you pass the full path to the mp3 file to the program? | 16:04 |
| pupnik | oh | 16:04 |
| rothiel | static =/= global I meaned ^^ | 16:04 |
| lardman|home | well it's global as it's declared in the body of the file, and it's declared as static...? | 16:04 |
| pupnik | also try printfing the filename you get from argv to make sure that's correct | 16:05 |
| derf | lardman|home: That means it has file scope. | 16:05 |
| * pupnik stfus | 16:05 | |
| lardman|home | ah :) | 16:05 |
| derf | So you can decidedly not reference it outside of the file. | 16:05 |
| rothiel | a global variable can't be static | 16:05 |
| derf | Remove the static keyword if you want to. | 16:05 |
| lardman|home | well that explains lots of things then :) knew I should have read my C book harder | 16:05 |
| derf | It is exactly the same as declaring a function static. | 16:06 |
| lardman|home | I'm not sure I should, all of the dsp stuff seems to use static for file-global declarations. I presume this means it's placed somewhere specific in memory, not sure what would happen if I made it truely global | 16:06 |
| derf | It's most likely just a data-hiding abstraction. | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/2007/12/modest.html | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm looking tasty. | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | derf: ok, thanks :) | 16:07 |
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| pupnik | nice find GeneralAntilles - did you post it to ITT? | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, didn't bother. | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | hmm anyone kagu related in here? | 16:10 |
| lardman|home | I installed it the other day (along with ukmp and mplayer) and one of them added "repostory.maemo.org" (note the typo) via its install file | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You posting it pupnik? | 16:11 |
| lardman|home | Indeed, kagu was the culprit | 16:12 |
| * _matthias_ was just on the phone with nokia.at | 16:17 | |
| _matthias_ | no news about n810 :( | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | You bitch about "Map" for us? | 16:17 |
| lcloki | does somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me | 16:19 |
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| Tak | IMO the extras-devel repo should be hosted on suppository.maemo.org | 16:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol | 16:26 |
| pupnik | amazon.de says dec 28-jan 15 for N810 | 16:26 |
| pupnik | <image="weeping_bear.gif"> | 16:27 |
| lcloki | can someone test a package for me? | 16:29 |
| lardman|home | urgh, typo, read() rather than fread() | 16:29 |
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| mgedmin | lcloki: what package and on which OS? | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | oh, 2008 | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | I haven't upgraded yet | 16:36 |
| * mgedmin wishes he had a spare N800 for testing upgrades | 16:36 | |
| lcloki | mgedmin, yeah. its a package which depends on load-applet for OS2008 | 16:37 |
| Rip2 | im sure if you upload it and post on ITT plenty of people will have a test | 16:38 |
| lcloki | Rip2, thats the problem. its not too complex and i don't want thousands of people scream around that there are bugs here and there ... | 16:40 |
| Rip2 | lol | 16:40 |
| Rip2 | fair enough | 16:40 |
| Rip2 | ahh well, its after midnight I better crash | 16:41 |
| lcloki | Rip, do you know 'load-applet'? | 16:41 |
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| Rip2 | I've never used it sorry | 16:44 |
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| lardman|home | ah-ha, it nearly works, I'm getting it to return an error now: MAD_ERROR_LOSTSYNC | 16:50 |
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| pupnik | "D | 16:51 |
| pupnik | coool | 16:51 |
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| lardman|home | anyone have a link to some small mp3 files? I'm decoding to pcm and don't want to fill my ~/ too quickly | 16:51 |
| lardman|home | or rather am trying to decode... | 16:51 |
| pupnik | http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/41_30secMP3Enc31.mp3 | 16:53 |
| pupnik | http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/compilation_mp3_128.mp3 | 16:53 |
| pupnik | http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/compilation2_mp3_128.mp3 | 16:54 |
| lardman|home | thanks | 16:54 |
| pupnik | http://xiph.org/vorbis/listen.html source (for those interested in comparing codecs, etc) | 16:55 |
| _berto_ | lardman|home: why are you decoding mp3 to pcm? | 16:55 |
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| lardman|home | _berto_: seems like an easy way to test compliance of the decoder | 16:56 |
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| _berto_ | lardman|home: I mean, why do you need an mp3 decoder ? :) | 16:56 |
| lardman|home | pupnik: interesting, the other ones I tried produced that lostsync error (the decoder is a limited one so I thought perhaps the format was not what it wanted), but the first one of yours causes a bus error | 16:57 |
| lardman|home | _berto_: dsp hacking | 16:57 |
| _berto_ | ah | 16:57 |
| lardman|home | right, that's all I've got time for, long lunch break, time to go back to work | 16:58 |
| lardman|home | bbiab | 16:58 |
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| lardman | re | 17:15 |
| lardman | I'm actually quite pleased with that mp3 task | 17:18 |
| lardman | shows that threads are the way to go | 17:18 |
| Tak | lardman: you got an mp3 task running? | 17:18 |
| lardman | Tak: yes and no, it partly runs, doesn't output anything except for errors though | 17:19 |
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| lardman | but it does prove that you can run the decoder in a thread and use semaphores to bring the data in by syncing with the dsptask started by dsp_dld | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . using modest now | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's really rather wonderful | 17:19 |
| lardman | so I'm going to can my hacky tremor decoder and see if I can just drop the lowmem nobyte tremor code into a thread and use it in the same way | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a tip on how to replace the built-in client with Modest? | 17:21 |
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| dwix | hi all :) | 17:22 |
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| pupnik | hi | 17:23 |
| Tak | GeneralAntilles: edit (or divert) the .desktop file maybe? | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, here's a giant n00b question: Where are the .desktop files? :) | 17:25 |
| dwix | i guess asking if anyone managed to conect to eduroam wifi networks (MSCHAPV2) is useless, right? | 17:25 |
| inz | General, depends, for normal applications they're in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 17:25 |
| Tak | /usr/share/applications/hildon iirc | 17:25 |
| inz | General, then there are .desktop files for control panel and status bar applets | 17:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, inz and Tak. | 17:28 |
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| dragorn | dwix: I've never heard of eduroam but mschapv2 should work | 17:30 |
| dragorn | dwix: at least with wpa-eap and the proper certificate added to the device it's worked for me in the past | 17:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | .desktop implies that the dbus functionality for composing and such isn't quite there yet. | 17:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Guess I'll hold off. | 17:31 |
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| dwix | dragorn: our university have IEEE 802.1X EAP/PEAP network and i cant connect (root CA certificate installed, but still getting "incompatibile WLAN" error) | 17:37 |
| pupnik | peap have some problems - search ITT | 17:38 |
| dwix | i know, but there is no solution yet : | 17:39 |
| pupnik | alloc.h reminds me of beer | 17:39 |
| Tak | what doesn't? | 17:40 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:40 |
| dragorn | dwix: Ah, peap? I think that might screw you up, yeah. You could *try* os2008 betas, but I don't know that it would help | 17:41 |
| dragorn | I noticed os2008 doesn't agree too well with wpa2-psk aes networks, but haven't tracked it down | 17:41 |
| matt_c | I've had problems connecting via PEAP but I'm not sure if it's an OS thing or me not getting it right | 17:41 |
| dragorn | anyone know if they moved the crypto functions out of the binary blob in the wireless driver? | 17:41 |
| lardman | Does anyone understand what this means?: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=7AF192DA69C59243838FF62851F64F55016FD89A%40toebe101.NOE.Nokia.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel | 17:42 |
| Tak | it's a link to a web page :-P | 17:42 |
| dwix | dragorn: already have os2008, no luck with peap :/ i guess i need to wait | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do I enter accent characters with a bluetooth keyboard? | 17:43 |
| lardman | Tak: what about the contents then :) | 17:44 |
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| Tak | hmm...so you can't index across page boundaries? | 17:45 |
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| lardman | Tak: I cerainly couldn't, but what is that email talking about? the address wraps around? | 17:46 |
| lardman | he doesn't rule out being able to access the second page though | 17:47 |
| Tak | it would be awesome if I could find the whole message that was in reply to | 17:47 |
| Tak | oh, hah, he quoted it in its entirety anyway | 17:48 |
| dragorn | is it saying that it's not going to allocate contiguous pages so your buffer isn't valid beyond the first one? | 17:49 |
| lardman | dunno, it appears that the mmu wraps the address you ask for around if it goes beyond the page | 17:49 |
| lardman | hmm, if it does allocate more than one page, and they're not contiguous, I wonder how I can get the address of the second one | 17:50 |
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| Tak | hmm - he says you can't point across a boundary /by indexing/ | 17:52 |
| Tak | does that also preclude the buf + 0x12345 method? | 17:53 |
| lardman | hmm, I seem to remember someone saying something like that to me.... | 17:54 |
| lardman | (I see here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=A6486E544B2EC949BE853E0AD9CE5433D54A09%40blr-ec-msg04.wipro.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel, that large multi page buffers are allowed) | 17:54 |
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| lardman | In fact I quote: "I have maped 7 MB between the ARM and the DSP on OMAP5912 and everything is OK. | 17:55 |
| lardman | You have to access mapped memory like a poiner, not like an array." | 17:55 |
| lardman | what does that actually mean? | 17:55 |
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| Tak | it means, instead of doing buf[i] = x, you do *(buf + i) = x | 17:56 |
| lardman | I thought the two were the same | 17:57 |
| Tak | apparently not when dealing with the dsp | 17:57 |
| lardman | lol | 17:57 |
| lardman | can anyone explain why that might be (for curiosity's sake)? | 17:58 |
| lardman | hmm, the pointer size on the dsp is small iirc | 17:59 |
| dragorn | that's really weird | 17:59 |
| dragorn | i'd have expected the compiler to resolve those the same way too | 18:00 |
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| lardman | I'll give it a test this evening and see if it works | 18:00 |
| Tak | the backend implementation of [] must take the page boundaries into account for some reason | 18:00 |
| lardman | I wonder if it allows faster looping for the dsp | 18:01 |
| Tak | I'm not sure why anyone would design it that way, but I tend to run a little further from the metal, so I dunno | 18:01 |
| lardman | it can go over the end of an array and it loops back to the start, etc. | 18:01 |
| dragorn | Tak: I'd have expected the compiler to turn *(a+b) and a[b] into the same assembler though. Obviously not, it's just odd :P | 18:02 |
| dragorn | is this a dsp targetted compiler, or the host? | 18:02 |
| Tak | dragorn: as would I have | 18:02 |
| lardman | dragorn: assuming the *(a+i) works, I'll disassemble the two statements and we can see what it's doing | 18:02 |
| lardman | dragorn: dsp | 18:02 |
| dragorn | lardman: I'd be curious what you find | 18:02 |
| dragorn | lardman: ahh | 18:02 |
| dragorn | so who knows what their wacky little custom compiler thinks the world looks like? | 18:03 |
| lardman | yeah, that's a good point | 18:03 |
| lardman | assuming it works (and it's a big assumption), does anyone fancy writing a colourspace converter and scaling routine? | 18:05 |
| lardman | to drop into the dsp task that is - Serge was interested in using the dsp to take some of the processing load off the ARM when using mplayer | 18:05 |
| Tak | I'd like to move fceu's sound emulation to a dsp task as well | 18:06 |
| lardman | or if no-one fancies it, is there any example code about as this is not something I've dont before | 18:06 |
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| lardman | Tak: well I can sort the dsp structure and the arm comms bit out | 18:06 |
| Tak | I'm surprised serge hasn't offered to write such a routine for you | 18:06 |
| lardman | Tak: he's pretty busy atm | 18:06 |
| Tak | ah | 18:06 |
| lardman | Tak: I'm sure he would if i can show him the link works | 18:07 |
| lardman | Tak: do you have code for the sound emulation? what is the structure like? | 18:07 |
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| Tak | yeah, I do | 18:10 |
| Tak | one sec | 18:10 |
| Tak | http://rafb.net/p/B3M7Kw78.html | 18:14 |
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| Tak | it's horrible | 18:17 |
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| lardman | so what happens, there are loads of codes that need to be decoded into some instruction or other | 18:21 |
| lardman | ? | 18:21 |
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| lcloki | does somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me | 18:22 |
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| lardman | lcloki: what's the app? | 18:22 |
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| lcloki | lardman, u know the icon load-applet uses? in my opionion it sucks ;) i made a better one which fit in the new OS2008 look | 18:23 |
| lardman | ah, I see | 18:23 |
| lcloki | lardman, you know where to get it? | 18:24 |
| Tak | yeah, basically the rom generates N frames per second, which the emulator converts to samplingrate/N frames of PCM audio | 18:24 |
| lardman | lcloki: i don;t use it, sorry | 18:24 |
| lardman | Tak: you should be able to pass a frame or number of frames to the dsp and have it do the pcm generation | 18:25 |
| lcloki | lardman, okay. your welcome | 18:25 |
| lardman | Tak: you'd need to pass it back to the arm though as we still can't do direct audio out from the dsp | 18:25 |
| Tak | lardman: that's what I'm looking for @ frames -> dsp -> pcm | 18:25 |
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| Tak | we can add -> arm -> esd to that chain if we need to, although it's my understanding that esd internally looks like ( -> dsp -> speaker ) | 18:26 |
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| lardman | Tak: yeah, but it still needs to come back to the arm to be sent back to the dsp again - annoying i know | 18:27 |
| Tak | but most of the delay is in the frames -> pcm step currently, either because a) converting the frames to pcm audio is necessarily difficult (I doubt it), or b) the fceu code to convert the audio is horribly inefficient (I suspect this) | 18:28 |
| lardman | it also takes lots of operations to generate lots of data I imagine | 18:28 |
| lardman | so what do the frames contain, what form are the instructions to the emulated sound chip? | 18:28 |
| Tak | so even with the extra arm -> dsp -> arm roundtrip, a dedicated dsp task should gain us significant performance | 18:29 |
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| lardman | it will avoid doing all that processing, yes | 18:29 |
| lardman | and you can share memory so it ought to be reasonably fast too | 18:29 |
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| Tak | afaict, it's midilike | 18:31 |
| lardman | does the emulator do something like decode_sound_frame(&pcmbuff, &frame); ? | 18:31 |
| lardman | i.e. a single point at which insert the dsp link? | 18:31 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 18:39 |
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| lardman | :) | 18:39 |
| zoran | is this touristic group? | 18:39 |
| RichiH | everything OK? | 18:40 |
| Tak | lardman: I think the closest thing to that is FlushEmulateSound() in the pasted content | 18:41 |
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| sp3000 | emulate flush sound? | 18:41 |
| lardman | Tak: I thought that flushed the pcm to produce sound output | 18:41 |
| RichiH | birunko kenne lsobral Vudentz aCiDBaSe krau andrunko renatofilho_ luck^ aloisiojr Ryback_ etrunko: what host are you connecting from? | 18:42 |
| RichiH | birunko kenne lsobral Vudentz aCiDBaSe krau andrunko renatofilho_ luck^ aloisiojr Ryback_ etrunko: if you are behind NAT together or using the same shell box, you should write an email to iline@freenode.net to tell us about it | 18:43 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: we are behind NAT | 18:43 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: it's our company's server | 18:43 |
| RichiH | Ryback_: ah, k. can you have your admin contact iline@freenode.net please? | 18:43 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: ok, no problem | 18:44 |
| RichiH | company name, number of users and if you will continue to use that egress IP are the important bits | 18:44 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: he said we already did that | 18:44 |
| RichiH | Ryback_: when? | 18:44 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: some time ago.. I don't know exactly when | 18:45 |
| lardman | Tak: somewhere in the emulator, depending on how the frames are assembled (i.e. is there something producing them inside the emulator, or are they just read from a file) there may be a bit of code that does something like decode_frame() | 18:45 |
| RichiH | Ryback_: in that case, it got lost | 18:45 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: we've talked to lilo | 18:45 |
| RichiH | Ryback_: then it must have been over a year | 18:45 |
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| lardman | Tak: if there's not, and the sound instructions are issued from all round the place, you'll need to intercept each one of them. I don't know what happens with timing in that case | 18:46 |
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| RichiH | Ryback_: lilo died september 2006 | 18:46 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: well.. I'm gonna ask our admin to send the email again | 18:46 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: yeah, we know | 18:46 |
| RichiH | Ryback_: thanks | 18:46 |
| RichiH | Ryback_: if he sends it right now, we can do it immediately | 18:47 |
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| Ryback_ | RichiH: ok, gonna talk to him | 18:48 |
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| RichiH | ta | 18:48 |
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| Tak | lardman: that function converts and flushes | 18:56 |
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| lardman | Tak: that's okay then | 19:08 |
| hugolp | renatofilho_: you arround? | 19:08 |
| Tak | it relies on some global memory that would have to be shared | 19:09 |
| Ryback_ | RichiH: he sent the e-mail with INdT information | 19:09 |
| renatofilho_ | hugolp, yes | 19:09 |
| hugolp | renatofilho_: Does the Gmyth Mailing list get checked by the devs? | 19:09 |
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| lardman | Tak: yes, you could either create those variables in the shared memory so they can be accessed on both sides, or you could just update them when you call the dsp to decode | 19:09 |
| renatofilho_ | hugolp, I received your e-mail | 19:10 |
| Tak | imo shared memory would be the way to go | 19:10 |
| lardman | Tak: the dsp has a different endianness to the arm | 19:10 |
| lardman | which might make sharing them difficult | 19:10 |
| Tak | ugh, seriously? | 19:11 |
| lardman | infact 16bit data is little endian, but 32bit data is two littleendian 16bit chunks in bigendian order | 19:11 |
| lardman | so it depends on the variable sizes | 19:11 |
| truent | hey i tried changing the icon field for one of my .desktop files.. put a new icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon but it still uses the original icon.. is there some kind of cache i gotta reset? | 19:11 |
| renatofilho_ | hugolp, join on #gmyth | 19:12 |
| hugolp | renatofilho_: cool | 19:12 |
| Tak | that's bad - at least some of the data is 32bit | 19:13 |
| lardman | in which case you do endianness shuffling, but that's annoying for shared variables | 19:13 |
| Tak | /highly/ annoying | 19:13 |
| lardman | so the wave* are the buffers containing the data | 19:14 |
| lardman | Wave* rather | 19:14 |
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| Tak | Wave* are the output buffers, currfreq/currdc are the input buffers, I believe | 19:14 |
| truent | huh | 19:15 |
| truent | no answer to this easy question? | 19:15 |
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| truent | no one's come across this yet? | 19:15 |
| truent | eheh | 19:15 |
| Tak | probably it's cached - does a restart show the correct icon? | 19:16 |
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| truent | i'll try again | 19:16 |
| lardman | Tak: if there are functions that must be called to change these global variables then that's okay, you may be able to keep the variables on the dsp, otherwise you'll need to update the dsp each time you ask it to decode a frame | 19:17 |
| truent | restart same icon | 19:17 |
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| lardman | just depends on whether other parts of the code look at Wave* for some reason | 19:18 |
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| lardman | and same for the others | 19:18 |
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| lardman | truent: is hicolor and scalable where one is supposed to put icons?? | 19:19 |
| Tak | currfreq/currdc are updated by the rom as part of the game loop | 19:19 |
| lardman | truent: i.e. it's not that the machine is not in fact running in hicolor mode and therefore doesn't look at those icons | 19:19 |
| Tak | the Wave stuff is just dumped to the audio output driver (in our case the esd driver) | 19:19 |
| lardman | Tak: well it might not be too bad then | 19:20 |
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| truent | i tried one that i know works.. instead of my custom one and it works so apparently somethings wrong with my icon | 19:21 |
| truent | heh | 19:21 |
| lardman | Tak: except for needing to tweak the operations that are carried out, as the pointers appear to be for 32bit data | 19:21 |
| lardman | Tak: home time now, I should be back later if you want to have a chat about how to implement it | 19:22 |
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| renatofilho_ | hugol1, use http://pastebin.com/ | 19:27 |
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| truent | do icons need to be of a special type/size or otherwise? | 19:32 |
| truent | why would it not recognize my icon | 19:32 |
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| lcloki | truent, did you restart your device? | 19:41 |
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| Tak | ah, there's the infinite reboot loop I've been missing so much | 19:43 |
| lcloki | does somebody know what is necessary to make a post to planet.maemo.org? | 19:44 |
| inz | lcloki, http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/ | 19:45 |
| lcloki | inz, so you must have blog? | 19:45 |
| inz | lcloki, "yes" | 19:46 |
| lcloki | inz, too bad | 19:46 |
| inz | lcloki, any rss-feed should be good, but blog is the easiest solution | 19:46 |
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| lcloki | inz, thanks. i will thing about if its worth a try | 19:47 |
| inz | lcloki, services like wordpress.com should work just fine, no need to set up any blogging software | 19:48 |
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| lcloki | inz, whats about the application wordpress for maemo? does it work for workpress.com and/or for a self-setup of wordpress on my private webhoster? | 19:51 |
| inz | lcloki, "wordpress for maemo" is what it says, it is the wordpress blogging software, i.e. you run the blog on your tablet | 19:52 |
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| inz | lcloki, unless you keep your tablet always on and have a public internet address for it, it will not provide you with what you need | 19:52 |
| inz | lcloki, but WordPy, for example, will work with wordpress.com | 19:52 |
| lcloki | inz, i thought it is a client to post on these sites. like jaiku | 19:53 |
| inz | lcloki, well, wordpy is one like that, but wordpress is the blog sw itself | 19:55 |
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| lopz | re | 20:53 |
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| fysa | http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30 | 21:35 |
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| timeless | ok | 21:41 |
| timeless | i've just installed modest | 21:41 |
| timeless | it crashed :) | 21:41 |
| fysa | have it working with gmail-imap here now as of today's(?) update | 21:42 |
| fysa | gmail-pop3 seems to choke out somewhere | 21:42 |
| timeless | your mailbox is probably tiny | 21:42 |
| timeless | You are currently using 1198 MB (22%) of your 5435 MB. | 21:42 |
| timeless | i'm using the smallest mailbox i have | 21:42 |
| timeless | well, ok, maybe it's not the smallest | 21:42 |
| timeless | but that one has <100,000 unread conversations | 21:42 |
| timeless | that's tiny, right? :) | 21:42 |
| fysa | You are currently using 1538 MB (28%) of your 5436 MB. | 21:42 |
| fysa | :O | 21:42 |
| timeless | Inbox (91905) | 21:43 |
| fysa | haha | 21:43 |
| fysa | well, that's it. | 21:43 |
| timeless | aren't i nice? | 21:43 |
| fysa | it seems this is the difference -- | 21:43 |
| keesj | timeless: and how big is your spam box? | 21:43 |
| fysa | imap will only pull headers from your inbox, not archived | 21:43 |
| timeless | keesj: i read my spam | 21:43 |
| fysa | and pop3 will pull from everything? | 21:43 |
| fysa | seemed to work that way for me. | 21:43 |
| timeless | fysa: pop3 is going to die for *any* mailbox i have :) | 21:44 |
| fysa | Spam (5538) | 21:44 |
| timeless | Spam (13) | 21:44 |
| keesj | wow I was already happy with +3500 | 21:44 |
| fysa | actually, it may be better if you can get it started. | 21:44 |
| timeless | spam is important, you have to read it | 21:44 |
| timeless | reading the rest of my inbox... that's a different story | 21:44 |
| fysa | imap will constantly want all 91,000 headers | 21:44 |
| fysa | pop3 will timestamp and only pull what it doesn't hajve | 21:45 |
| fysa | have | 21:45 |
| fysa | but it sounds like you're asking for trouble either way, really ;) | 21:45 |
| fysa | you try claws? | 21:45 |
| fysa | gmail-imap is nice because I can see all of my filters.. | 21:45 |
| keesj | in:spam maemo == 6 | 21:46 |
| fysa | only thing I'd change about modest so far is wanting a flash/LED alert on new mail | 21:46 |
| timeless | that's a spec'd item i'm sure | 21:46 |
| timeless | it should be configurable | 21:46 |
| inz | fysa, grab the source and add it yerself ;) | 21:46 |
| fysa | yeah, I'm assuming it will be | 21:46 |
| keesj | so anybody want's to try gizmo video calling? | 21:46 |
| timeless | i can ask tomorrow when i deliver my report to the manager | 21:47 |
| fysa | don't want to step on anyone's toes ;) | 21:47 |
| timeless | omigosh | 21:47 |
| fysa | someone is getting paid to concentrate on making modest spectacular, it seems. | 21:47 |
| timeless | (i) Settings saved | 21:47 |
| timeless | [ OK ] | 21:47 |
| timeless | fysa: yes, it's an official nokia project | 21:47 |
| keesj | there is an option in the configuration panel to blink on email... | 21:47 |
| timeless | hrm, i hope i didn't step on anyone's toes in writing it | 21:47 |
| fysa | ;) | 21:47 |
| timeless | s/writing it/saying that/ | 21:47 |
| infobot | timeless meant: hrm, i hope i didn't step on anyone's toes in saying that | 21:47 |
| keesj | nobody want to see my pretty face? | 21:48 |
| timeless | ? | 21:48 |
| keesj | I want to try gizmo video calling and I have no friends | 21:49 |
| keesj | and the gizmo linux client does not support video calling so I can not even call myself) | 21:50 |
| fysa | heh | 21:50 |
| * keesj goes back to pic programming... | 21:51 | |
| timeless | wait | 21:53 |
| timeless | it's seriously going to keep asking me to connect? | 21:53 |
| timeless | gah, that's insane | 21:53 |
| fysa | modest? | 21:53 |
| kulve | does somebody want to test playing oggs with the built-in player in 2008? | 21:54 |
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| kulve | using my ogg-support. I'm trying to debug the problems in it.. | 21:54 |
| fysa | hey timeless, you toyed with different max-connections and max-connections-per-server settings? | 21:54 |
| timeless | fysa: in mozmail? or microb? | 21:55 |
| fysa | microb | 21:55 |
| timeless | or modest? | 21:55 |
| timeless | not seriously/personally | 21:55 |
| timeless | i told people to play w/ them | 21:55 |
| timeless | and i'm pretty sure they picked bad numbers :) | 21:55 |
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| sp3000 | people usually do :) | 21:56 |
| fysa | 24 max and 8 per-server max.. I bumped per-server up to 20 and testing now. | 21:56 |
| timeless | yeah, talk to sp3000 about that :) | 21:56 |
| fysa | seems especially bad when there is a site that is "Loading nnn/210.." | 21:56 |
| * timeless sighs | 21:56 | |
| timeless | anyone here use modest? | 21:56 |
| timeless | would someone please explain this: | 21:57 |
| timeless | E-mail>details | 21:57 |
| timeless | "Folder details" | 21:57 |
| timeless | why or how does "E-mail>details" relate to "Folder details"? | 21:57 |
| timeless | gah | 21:57 |
| * timeless kicks them | 21:57 | |
| timeless | they're missing :'s | 21:57 |
| timeless | and i just complained to some OSS guy that the :s belong | 21:57 |
| * timeless grumbles | 21:57 | |
| timeless | ok, help, waht does "Last updated" "Never" mean? | 22:01 |
| sp3000 | something hasn't ever been updated yet, in circumlocutious language? | 22:02 |
| timeless | but if i can read some portion of my account | 22:03 |
| timeless | what does it mean? | 22:03 |
| timeless | i mean, i can see some messages | 22:03 |
| timeless | or ghosts of messages :) | 22:03 |
| fysa | you can try to delete the cache and try again. | 22:03 |
| fysa | I believe it's in ~/.modest or some such | 22:03 |
| sp3000 | is it done updating whatever it was updating? | 22:03 |
| timeless | oh sure, if i want it to crash i'll just delete it :) | 22:04 |
| fysa | well, quit the app first of course. | 22:04 |
| timeless | sp3000: nah, it crashed in its poor attempt :) | 22:04 |
| fysa | but deleting the cache allowed me to remove all messages/pull them down again | 22:04 |
| timeless | gah | 22:04 |
| timeless | these people don't understand "consistency" | 22:04 |
| timeless | they have: | 22:04 |
| sp3000 | I guess that could explain that | 22:04 |
| timeless | Retrieve*: [Headers only |v] | 22:04 |
| timeless | and | 22:04 |
| fysa | in my case, I believe there is a malformed header somewhere it doesn't like | 22:04 |
| timeless | Secure connection: [SSL (IMAP4S) |v] | 22:05 |
| timeless | can someone please explain what the star means? :) | 22:05 |
| inz | Required field? | 22:05 |
| sp3000 | it's hard to be not required with a dropdown :) | 22:05 |
| timeless | inz: why doesn't Secure connection have a *? | 22:06 |
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| timeless | sp3000 gets the cookie | 22:06 |
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| timeless | sp3000: come ot my office, you can probably get a toblerone instead of just a chocolate thingy | 22:06 |
| sp3000 | cookie? I wish | 22:06 |
| sp3000 | oh! :D | 22:06 |
| timeless | yes, i really do give rewards, just deserts :) | 22:07 |
| inz | timeless, because the HildonCaption doesn't have state HILDON_CAPTION_MANDATORY | 22:07 |
| sp3000 | hmm, I'd have to find it | 22:07 |
| |R | btw, dell.ca has n800 for 199$ for interested people...(canada) | 22:08 |
| timeless | didn't i leave you guys w/ a map? | 22:08 |
| timeless | i'm in f at the end, there's a picture of the 770 from Silver Surfer, an org chart, and various printouts of nokia(usa).com goofs on the window :) | 22:09 |
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| sp3000 | don't think I've seen it :) | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | ah, k | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | "dinner", here I come | 22:09 |
| timeless | chocolate's on the first desk as you enter | 22:09 |
| timeless | heh | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | oh, you out already? | 22:10 |
| timeless | no, i'm in | 22:10 |
| timeless | we can get dinner together :) | 22:10 |
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| timeless | gah, the ime people are really silly | 22:11 |
| timeless | why can't they at least learn from s60? | 22:11 |
| timeless | i mean really, is it that hard to copy good ideas from them? | 22:11 |
| timeless | instead of using an app modal dialog for text entry that provides a recently used "favorites" line + 4 or so rows of chars | 22:12 |
| timeless | they provide 2 "run away" toolbar rows | 22:12 |
| timeless | that cause the screen size to jump randomly | 22:12 |
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| fysa | does the N810 have a mic in the same spot as the N800? | 22:13 |
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| fysa | nglayout.initialpaint.delay = -3? | 22:20 |
| fysa | do negative values signify something different here than http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay ? | 22:20 |
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| timeless | fwiw, that "small" mailbox of mine is from feb 28, 2007. i.e., that's how long it took for me to get it 22% full :) | 22:23 |
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| timeless | and modest was able to retrieve mail from then until mar 15 | 22:24 |
| timeless | so it got about 2 1/2 weeks of mail before it died :) | 22:24 |
| fysa | dude.. when you pasted "Inbox (91905)" I could only shudder. | 22:24 |
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| fysa | you know why paint delay is -3? | 22:24 |
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| timeless | not offhand | 22:25 |
| timeless | fysa: irc.mozilla.org message me when you get there | 22:25 |
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| fysa | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180241 | 22:28 |
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| fysa | there. | 22:29 |
| derf | Whoa, I know the fourth commenter on that bug. | 22:30 |
| timeless | you know *that* specific person? his name i think isn't unique | 22:32 |
| derf | timeless: His e-mail address is. | 22:32 |
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| timeless | this is aol, aren't those recycled? :) | 22:32 |
| timeless | but yeah :) | 22:32 |
| derf | acm is not aol. | 22:32 |
| timeless | that's #c3 | 22:33 |
| * timeless complains about derf's comment numbering style | 22:33 | |
| timeless | you said 4, so i loaded: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180241#c4 | 22:33 |
| derf | I counted names. I didn't bother lookinat the right. | 22:33 |
| timeless | helpful lesson :) | 22:33 |
| timeless | c0 is the original description and not considered exactly like a comment for counting, it's c0 :) | 22:34 |
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| derf | Anyway, my point was that's the last place I expected to see his name. | 22:36 |
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| fysa | I'm not 100%, but -3 seems like a bug and could be defaulting to 0. this would cause real-time rendering updates which probably aren't good on our little ARMs. | 22:46 |
| fysa | 600 seems to load a bit quicker. | 22:47 |
| fysa | quite a bit, but I don't know how to benchmark this yet. | 22:47 |
| sp3000 | yeah, zero would sound a bit silly | 22:48 |
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| fysa | there is still the 2.5 second delay before a page even begins to really 'load' -- I believe. it feels like a delay before we even really try to hit a server.. | 22:48 |
| fysa | possibly proxy failover | 22:48 |
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| fysa | testing this now.. | 22:49 |
| fysa | ah, nm | 22:50 |
| fysa | I think if I can monitor with tcpdump, I can time between trying to hit a URL and the first occurence of 'HTTP' | 22:51 |
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| fysa | maybe just DNS.. | 22:51 |
| fysa | someone else should try this. | 22:55 |
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| fysa | set nglayout.initialpaint.delay to around 250-1000 | 22:55 |
| maddler | evening all | 22:56 |
| fysa | 3000 was definitely too high -- nothing would render until the entire page was complete in most cases. | 22:56 |
| fysa | (i.e., less responsive) | 22:56 |
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| fysa | 600 seems pretty good. no longer re-rendering one word at a time. | 22:57 |
| fysa | whatever "-3" is, it's considerably less than 600. | 22:57 |
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| timeless | sp3000: *help* | 23:07 |
| sp3000 | sup | 23:07 |
| timeless | i've been attacked by evil dialogs | 23:07 |
| timeless | focus is lost | 23:07 |
| sp3000 | I bet you provoked them somehow :) | 23:07 |
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| timeless | you mean i used them? | 23:07 |
| timeless | yeah, that was my first mistake | 23:07 |
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| * timeless frowns | 23:09 | |
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| timeless | should i install rsync locally? | 23:09 |
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| timeless | :( | 23:11 |
| timeless | my stage zone doesn't have any compilers? | 23:11 |
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| sp3000 | hmm | 23:25 |
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| sp3000 | I think it's dinner time | 23:26 |
| lopz | bye | 23:26 |
| monkey-murderers | mmmm banannas | 23:26 |
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| timeless | sp3000: home or nearby? | 23:29 |
| pupnik | last i saw, the vote was to change monkey to not reply unprompted, not to remove monkey entirely | 23:29 |
| bstock | if i'm running OS2007HE on the 770, do i use n770 or n800 repo's? | 23:29 |
| pupnik | infobot: test | 23:29 |
| infobot | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! | 23:29 |
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| pupnik | infobot: pupnik is testing infobot | 23:30 |
| infobot | okay, pupnik | 23:30 |
| pupnik | infobot: pupnik? | 23:30 |
| infobot | hmm... pupnik is testing infobot | 23:30 |
| monkey-murderers | murderers | 23:30 |
| monkey-murderers | murderers | 23:30 |
| timeless | infobot literal murderers | 23:31 |
| timeless | infobot status | 23:31 |
| infobot | Since Mon Nov 26 21:18:11 2007, there have been 51 modifications, 842 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 472 commands. I have been awake for 7d 13m 20s this session, and currently reference 114079 factoids. I'm using about 18860 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 13967.47/750.74 child 0/0 | 23:31 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: nearby wfm if it's ~now :) | 23:32 |
| timeless | now is good | 23:32 |
| * sp3000 -> | 23:32 | |
| GNUton | Hi! | 23:32 |
| penguinbait | High! | 23:34 |
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| GNUton | hello penguinbait! :) | 23:36 |
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| garethr | Hi all - does anyone know if their is an erlang package available for the N800? | 23:45 |
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| penguinbait | gnuton, you got kde4 ready to go? | 23:46 |
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| pupnik | infobot: babelfish en fi "Hello Nokia, can you give us an update on expected delivery of N810 to european countries?" | 23:46 |
| pupnik | humph no fi | 23:47 |
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| bstock | anyone know the name of the optional software you can get with then 810 for navigation | 23:48 |
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| el-pollo-loco | maemo-mapper | 23:50 |
| keesj | wayfinder? | 23:50 |
| bstock | someone mentoned to me some software to buy for like $100 | 23:50 |
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| bstock | maemo mapper is free, it might be wayfinder | 23:50 |
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| tigert | bstock: the software comes with os2008 | 23:58 |
| tigert | but the voice-guided navigation costs | 23:58 |
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