IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-12-03

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lardmaneureka!00:07
lardmanioctl(fd, 0x80); doesn't appear to actually send anything to the dsp task00:08
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p|does exists gtk-config on maemo ?00:19
cbx33hahaha00:20
cbx33i think it must have been an upgrade issue00:20
cbx33my default repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free repo was missing00:20
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cbx33grr00:28
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cbx33ok i give up00:31
cbx33i can't play ogg streams on the n80000:31
pupnikusing what program?00:33
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cbx33anything00:36
cbx33from gnump3d00:36
cbx33it calls it an m3u00:37
cbx33but it's an ogg00:37
pupnikmplayer should also play streams, but i think that's awkward00:37
cbx33it';s crap00:37
cbx33totem plays it fine00:37
cbx33no problem00:37
cbx33mplayer, just downloads the firs 300bytes.....and then caches it....and then stops00:38
cbx33and ends00:38
pupnikgot a stream for me to test?00:38
cbx33unfortunately not00:38
lardmannote to self, don't try to define ioctl commands in the range 0x80-0xff as they are disabled in the current dspgateway00:40
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cbx33pupnik, what distro you running?00:41
SignalN800hi there00:41
cbx33just get gnump3d and whack a few audio files in /var/music00:41
cbx33it works well00:41
cbx33but just not on the n80000:41
pupnikmplayer http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/41_30secOgg-b64M.ogg  works here on 77000:42
lopzbye00:42
cbx33why not here00:42
cbx33is it because it calls it an m3u i wonder00:42
pupniktry that link00:42
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pupnikhttp://qurl.org/yX00:43
pupnikshort link00:43
cbx33ty00:43
cbx33yup works00:44
cbx33so i wonder what is different00:44
pupniki can't give m3u files to mplayer - i have to give it the ogg or stream URL directly (btw)00:45
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pupnikso if someone gives you a link to a stream in the form of a .m3u, download it and look at the URL contained in the .m3u file00:45
pupnikbut this is all - very inconvenient - perhaps you would do best contacting the author of your favorite audio player00:46
lardmanwhat does "Bad file descriptor" signify?00:46
pupnikand discussing it directly with them, instead of with ppl who have little influence00:46
pupniki only saw that with a corrupt filesystem lardman00:46
cbx33do you know of a media player for the n800 that will work like we disucseed?00:46
cbx33pupnik, gnump3d seems to work really nicely, it's a shame that mplayer can't playit00:47
pupnikno i only have 770 - and haven't used much audio streaming00:47
cbx33xmms can00:47
cbx33winamp can00:47
cbx33totem can00:47
pupnikwhere is gnump3d?00:47
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pupniknever heard of it00:48
cbx33i got it from ubutnu repo00:48
cbx33it's a really nice media streaming server00:48
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pupnikoh00:52
shackanzeenix: ping00:54
pupniklame that the default 'Audio Player' doesn't support ogg at all.00:54
pupnikthat's really sad for a linux handheld00:54
cbx33yes00:54
shackandoes os2008 do wmv ?00:54
cbx33kilikali - how to get it to support ogg00:54
pupnikmaybe we should make a poll on internettablettalk.com about ogg support00:55
shackanbecause I recorded some tv shows and then they didn't play, which is strange since there's wma support00:55
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ShyBoycan someone point me out what is the problem here? http://pastebin.com/d6557479200:58
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zeenixshackan: pong! though i am about to sleep00:59
pupnikpo/Makefile.in' is already registered with AC_CONFIG_FILES.01:00
shackanzeenix: quick, you wrote gmediaserver?01:00
zeenixshackan: not at all :)01:00
shackanoh, ok, sorry then01:00
zeenixnp01:00
ShyBoypupnik: do i need to change something in the code?01:00
EnderTheThirdwe don't have a mobile navigator for the n810 right now, do we?  the mapping software i've seen is maps only, with no navigation, right?01:00
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shackanzeenix: because I have an mp3 which constantly crashes it01:01
pupnikdunno but that's the relevant error01:01
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zeenixshackan: i won't have any clues01:01
zeenixshackan: sorry!01:01
shackannp, good night01:02
* |R agrees with pupnik about ogg01:02
zeenixg'night to all01:02
cbx33ok kilikali doesn't play oggs streams01:03
cbx33I agree pupnik01:03
ShyBoypupnik: I do not have any Makefile.in in po folder01:03
cbx33IT sux01:03
cbx33i don't want to mke all my music in mp301:03
cbx33I want it in ogg01:03
pupniksearch ITT and if there's no resolution for it, make a poll thread cbx3301:04
pupnikShyBoy: automake and stuff is very scary to me and i generally cower and hide in the corner and suck my thumb when it breaks01:04
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cbx33well01:06
cbx33I've about given up01:06
cbx33maybe I'll try mp3 tomorrow01:06
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lardmannight all01:13
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khertanit seems there is a bug with the command df in busy box .... "df -h /"01:14
khertanreth01:14
derfJust do df -h01:14
khertanreturn nothing01:14
khertanno ... i want just / not all01:15
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derfWell, do df -h and grep for the one you want.01:15
khertanyes ... but it s work with df -h / in anyother system it s bug :)01:15
khertan(thanks for the tips to use grep ...)01:16
khertanhavent think of it ... too late /)01:16
khertani ll go to sleep01:16
derfdf -h / has never worked.01:16
derfI assume it's a "feature" of busybox.01:16
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K`zanCamera been released for 2008 yet?01:34
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Atariizerojay u there?02:05
zerojayAtarii: Am now.02:09
zerojayK`zan: No, but you can use knips.02:09
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zerojayAtarii: Sup?02:14
Atariipms gogogo02:15
zerojayCan't PM unless I'm registered.02:16
zerojayAnd I'm too lazy.02:16
zerojayWhat nick did you register?02:16
zerojayOh, never mind, found it.02:16
Atarii:)02:16
zerojayI'll give you a new pass. You should be able to change it to whatever you want if you use a PC Jabber client and login first.02:17
Atariikk02:17
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pupnikMITT ROMNEY campaign committing MASSIVE VOTING FRAUD at latest florida straw poll.  Giuliani campaign organizer threatens whistleblower "You'll get hurt if you make a big deal out of this."  http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Giuliani_supporter_says_to_RP_supporter_you_will_get_hurt   http://kineticreaction.blogspot.com/2007/12/giuliani-supporter-says-to-rp-supporter.html  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjPY_ngxNU02:17
zerojaySend me a PM with your e-mail address.02:17
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zerojayk, hang on.02:18
Atariilol thanks02:18
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K`zanzerojay: Will check it out thanks!  Now if we can just get fmradio :-).02:19
zerojayK`zan: There's another app for that.. a python script.02:21
zerojayAtarii: Check your e-mail.02:21
K`zanzerojay: Err, whereis that hidden (knips)?02:21
K`zanWading through the apps...02:22
zerojayI don't remember where I found it. I think if you just look up chinook knips you should be able to find it.02:22
zerojayLook it up on Google.02:22
K`zanrr, wilco, thanks02:22
zerojayI'll warn you now... it's unstable, but then again all the camera apps are.02:22
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Atariithanks zerojay02:24
Atariidamn nothin recieved yet02:24
zerojayLet me know if you need anything else... or if it just never arrives.02:24
Atariik, hope server side antispam doesnt eat it02:25
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zerojayWell, your password isn't "penis", so you should be safe. :)02:28
Atariilol02:29
Atariik just arrived <302:31
K`zanzerojay: Noticed that with camera too, had to run / exit it until the frame was sync'd.02:32
zerojaySometimes, camera would just freeze up my entire tablet until I had to pull the battery.02:33
K`zanOuch!  Never had that happen, fortunately.02:35
K`zanTwo new apps :-) Qt4 for os2008 4.3.2 and Qt4 for os2008 4.3.2 !02:36
K`zanLOL02:37
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doc|homeanyone still have libglade upgrade issues?02:41
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K`zanOK, now I know what jaiku is, looks like when Google started gmail, gotta get an invite to join.02:45
K`zanNeat idea from what I can tell of it.02:46
zerojayQuite a lot of tablet people are using it because of Mauku.02:46
zerojayMyself included.02:46
K`zanGuess I'll try for an invite then, handy for that too!02:47
b0unc3are the nfs-modules disposable for OS2008 ?02:48
zerojayb0unc3: You mean available?02:48
b0unc3zerojay: yes02:48
K`zanWonder if one can watch channels there without being a member, gonna go root around and see.02:49
zerojayYou can.02:49
K`zanCool, not much to say at this point, so it is just as well LOL.02:49
b0unc3zerojay: there is something like rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules and portmap pkg in some repo ?02:51
zerojayI haven't a clue, sorry.02:51
zerojayI believe I did see portmap though.02:51
b0unc3zerojay: ok02:53
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lopzre03:28
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pupnikgrr03:33
pupnikstill enjoying the N800 i hope doc|home03:33
K`zangrr(2)03:33
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pupnikhi K`zan03:33
K`zan:-)03:33
doc|homepupnik: very much so :)03:33
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pupnikthis makes me happy03:34
doc|homepupnik: would be nice if the libglade stuff wasn't acting up03:34
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K`zanIs anyone able to actually move stuff around in 2008 control-panel->organize applications?  This is frustrating to be stuck with defaults.03:55
K`zanI've dragged map to all categories, SEVERAL times, to both text and icons and it won't move.  WTF?!?03:56
K`zanDo I have to uninstall and then re-install to put it in some other folder?03:56
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K`zanAha, drag text to text seems to work most often!03:57
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K`zanFBreader won't move :-(.  Is there some place where I do this from xterm?04:00
K`zanFinally, on the 64 th drag and drop :).04:01
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lophyte-nhey all... any idea how to re-install libmediaplayer0?05:06
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TheFool2does anyone here have experience doing bluetooth files transfers between their phone and their internet tablet? I am having some rather annoying issues.05:20
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GeneralAntillesSome phones support the profile well, some do not.05:21
GeneralAntillesSometimes it helps to try from the other end.05:21
TheFool2thats a shame, my phone has a lot more storage than my 770. I was hoping it was something on the tablet side, and thus that it would be fixed eventually :(05:22
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TheFool2Ok, haven't actually tried accessing the tablet from the phone05:23
GeneralAntillesThat usually works better for me.05:25
TheFool2hmm, lol I can't find how to do that from the phone :(05:26
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TheFool2ok seems to work that way :), thanks05:35
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l7hrm, i hate how my stowaway has begun to spit out the same keypress about five times in a row after it's been idle05:39
GeneralAntillesHave another bluetooth connection?05:41
GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=216605:42
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l7GeneralAntilles: well i have other bluetooth devices, but none are active05:51
l7besides the stowaway05:51
l7i was wondering if it was a keyboard profile issue05:51
l7there really should be a stowaway profile in the OS05:52
l7maybe 2008 has it05:52
l7unless nokia wants you to buy _their_ keyboard :/05:52
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crevetorhi05:56
astro76it's bluetooth HID, a profile should not be necessary05:56
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crevetorProblem : I just put my device in R&D mode, changed the password for user, updated sudoers file to have user ALL PASSWD: ALL at the end, run a visudo -c and now my device boots alright but never show the interface (keeps stuck on the nokia screen with the progress bar)05:57
crevetoris there anything i could try before reflashing it ?05:58
GeneralAntillesUser shouldn't have a password.05:59
halleyThere's no problem with user having a passwd.05:59
crevetorI guess there isn't a way to access the device to modify this...05:59
halleyHad you gotten OpenSSH on there first?06:00
crevetorhalley only the client and the network isn't up at that point06:00
crevetorwell i'll reflash it yet again06:02
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ldspartanis skype not installable or upgradeable for everyone else on n800 with os2008 right now?06:13
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l7_did ctrl-c stop working for anyone else spontaneously on a bluetooth keyboard?06:16
l7_ctrl-c for copy that is06:16
l7_and cut and paste06:17
l7_it was working when i first set it up, but i think messing with keyboard profiles broke it06:17
l7_then i tried all three keyboard profiles in OS200706:17
l7_none brought it back, so it is a mystery06:17
K`zanreset the keyboard ?!?06:18
halleyTry hitting Ctrl a number of times?06:18
l7_another one for bug reports i guess06:18
l7_reset the keyboard?06:18
l7_delete profile you mean?06:18
l7_it's only broken in osso xterm06:19
l7_maybe it's an xterm issue06:19
l7_it's still works in other apps06:19
K`zanPossible, I don't have one so that was just a guess :).06:19
halleyCan you NOT test your keyboard in this channel?06:21
l7_okay okay06:21
l7_i thought i almost had it06:21
astro76l7_, out of curiousity do you have the ultra-slim or the bigger one?06:22
l7_astro76: the ultra-slim06:22
l7_did you encounter something similar?06:22
astro76l7_, I encountered issues with os2007, it works flawlessly now with 200806:23
l7_it might have something to do with the ctrl "button"06:23
l7_hrm06:23
astro76l7_, for instance setting the shortcuts, I would get this <alt2> popping up with I did <Fn>C, also, the defaul shortcuts are now sensible06:23
astro76l7_, but either way the only profile you want is generic 105-key06:24
l7_i guess i will have to get 200806:24
astro76yeah06:24
l7_ah thanks, i will stick with 10506:24
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l7_the default setting seems to the nokia keyboard strangely06:24
astro76l7_, oh and yeah the ultra-slim also06:24
l7_have you noticed different behavior with other profiles?06:25
l7_all the keyboard profiles seem to act the same for me so far06:25
astro76l7_, didn't try it, wouldn't expect it to work06:26
astro76but the stowaways are standard bluetooth KB HID profile06:26
l7_ah06:27
l7_by the way, does your keyboard automatically reconnect after it wakes up?06:27
l7_mine seems to sometimes06:27
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l7_but most of the time i've had to go into control panel and tell it to connect via the bluetooth menu06:27
astro76hmm not sure06:27
astro76haven't had it that long06:28
astro76how long untill the keyboard sleeps?06:28
l7_hrm not sure06:28
l7_five to ten minutes i think06:28
astro76I'll try ;)06:29
RocketmanSo, whats everyone up to this evening?06:29
l7_heh cool06:29
l7_nitpicking bugs?06:29
astro76l7_, sure would be useful if the Function keys were labeled rather then the useless labels on it now06:35
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astro76but hey I'm thrilled, especially for $3006:36
l7_hey, my keyboard does autoreconnect in 200706:37
l7_it just takes a few seconds06:37
l7_anyhow i am also loving it for $30 :)06:38
astro76and the n800 for $230, this has been good year :D06:38
l7_i would like a fifth row for numbers, but it's not worth the extra weight, or money06:38
halley'rather THAN'06:38
l7_heh06:38
l7_i got mine for 20006:38
l7_but i'm not sure the two month? wait was worth it06:39
astro76yeah plus you can't use that one on your lap, it doesn't lock06:39
astro76I keep checking hoping it will go down to $30 also06:39
l7_you mean the sierra five row doesn't lock?06:39
astro76yeah06:39
l7_the ultra-slim seems so fragile though06:39
l7_i'm afriad to use it on my lap06:40
astro76neah it locks tight06:40
l7_yeah this is a really good keyboard06:40
astro76I'm impressed06:40
l7_probably the best bluetooth one i have heard06:40
l7_i wonder why amazon is selling it so cheap06:41
astro76me too06:41
l7_cnet's review of nokia's keyboard seemed to say it was inferior06:41
astro76not to mention overpriced... and hard to find06:41
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astro76kind of pointless really06:41
l7_but it looks neat06:42
l7_it's almost as if nokia is copying apple06:42
* l7_ knocks on wood06:42
halleyamazon url?06:42
astro76I think it's sold out again06:43
l7_for the stowaway?06:43
l7_weird06:43
l7_i saw it sell out after blackfriday06:43
halleyamazon url?06:43
l7_then it was back last i checked06:43
ldspartanit's this, right? http://tinyurl.com/2oyu9j06:43
astro76then sold out again06:43
astro76it's back06:43
astro76http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1196657009&sr=8-106:43
astro76crazy06:44
astro76get it while it's hot06:44
astro76the n800 is out too06:44
astro76err is out06:44
astro76of stock06:44
astro76on amazon :p06:44
l7_wow so it is06:44
l7_wow06:44
astro76heh $400 from compUSA06:45
l7_buy.com was cheaper for the n800 i remember06:45
l7_that 200 lot sold out quick06:45
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l7_amazon was giving free two day shipping for the keyboard around blackfriday i think06:46
astro76I ordered black friday and got free standard06:46
l7_yyyyyyeah same here06:47
l7_there's that bug06:47
l7_six in a row06:47
l7_it's a feature06:47
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l7_screw xmas06:47
l7_i wish every day were black friday06:48
astro76I jumped on it Friday because I didn't expect it to last06:50
astro76and contrary to some reviews, the device stand is easily removable06:51
astro76not sure what they were on06:52
l7_hrm i'm afraid to remove it06:52
l7_it seems like it will break06:52
astro76no don't be, it's really sturdy :p06:52
astro76start closing the stand and you'll see the gaps, twist it off06:52
GeneralAntillesIt's been on and off of mine several times06:53
GeneralAntillesit wont break.06:53
l7_heh ok06:53
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blitheWhoa, why is that stowaway so cheap?08:10
lopzbye08:14
GeneralAntillesIt's a holiday deal.08:14
GeneralAntillesBuy now.08:14
blitheDone. :P08:15
blitheGotta move fast on that stuff.08:15
blithehaha08:15
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K`zanNight folks!08:18
rip__night ?08:21
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rip__its 3:50pm in Australia08:21
rip__;)08:21
rip__wide awake time08:22
K`zan:-) 2222 here atm, after a LONG day :).08:22
rip__lol08:22
rip__fair enough08:22
rip__nite!08:22
K`zanNight Mate!08:22
K`zanWell, in 7 minutes when Futurerama is over:)08:23
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tigerttime is more cool without this am/pm crap :)09:09
* tigert likes 13:37 o'clock ;)09:10
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|Rtigert haha i thought nobody cared ;)09:21
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rip__does the OS2008 support 24hour time yet ?09:24
rip__I think it only does 12hour which is a shame :(09:24
tigerteh?09:25
tigertit is bound to the locale i think09:25
|Ri have 24h here09:25
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tigertie, regional settings09:26
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|Rn800/2008b language:en settings:fr_ca (don't ask, quebec... ;)09:26
tigertwell09:27
tigertmy language is set to fenglish but fi regional settings09:27
|R:)09:27
tigerterm09:28
tigertfenglish :D09:28
fysayou set it in clock app?09:28
fysapretty sure09:28
tigertcontrol panel -> language and region09:28
tigertclock has a menu shortcut to that too09:28
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fysaoooo qt409:33
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fysagood work09:33
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rothielHi guys :)10:50
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RocketmanAnyone noticing much higher baseline memory useage with OS 200710:57
Rocketman???10:57
RocketmanOS 2008, I mean10:57
RocketmanI ran top with nothing running and it seems like there are a lot of things running that don't need to be10:59
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Rocketmanlike metalayer-crawl11:02
Rocketmanand mediaplayer-eng11:02
Rocketmanand what is e-adressbook-f?11:03
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tigertcomposite manager?11:05
tigertwould take some memory11:05
tigertmetalayer-crawler is looking up and indexing your media files for media player11:06
tigertit can be argued if it sucks or not, but it is needed so you will see your mp3s in the player hierarchy11:06
RocketmanI disabled it on metalayer-crawler on OS 2007 because it puked on my maemo mapper directories11:08
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tigertyeah11:08
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tigertit kinda does11:08
tigertwhen there are gazillion files11:08
Rocketmannow that MM is using a database scheme I could maybe leave it alone11:09
tigertdoes mm store the tiles themselves too in the db?11:09
tigertthen it might help, yeah11:09
Rocketmanbut it is using up 12 MB and is running all the time11:09
tigerthm11:09
tigertlet me see on mine11:09
timelyxyeah maemo mapper switched for newewr versions11:09
Rocketman2.x of MM does everything in a db now11:10
timelyxit doesn't help people w/ old file systems11:10
Rocketmanmuch more space efficient11:10
timelyxand the idea that you can blame or credit mm is stupid11:10
timelyxthe crawler is fundamentally flawed11:10
Rocketmanas you don't end up with file slack11:10
timelyxthat's kinda bogus btw11:10
timelyxyou'll end up w/ db padding instead11:10
timelyxsmaller sure, but non zero11:11
timelyxwhat if i have ~1gb or ~2gb of map data from the original maemo mapper11:11
tigert1319  user  SW  143M  1  0.115.3  browser11:11
tigertheh11:11
timelyxand i update my os2007 to os200811:11
Rocketmanyeah, why not simply do a scan when you launch the media player11:11
timelyxi instantly lose maemo mapper11:11
timelyxRocketman:  "instant behaviors expected"11:11
timelyxi.e. annoying ui designer requirements11:11
tigertRocketman: but are you running out of mem all the time?11:11
tigertor why do you worry about free mem?11:12
RocketmanI have like 90 Mb used on a clean system11:12
Rocketmanswapping slows things down11:12
Rocketmanand kills your flash memory11:12
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Rocketmanwhich in the n810 is soldered on11:13
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RocketmanSome of the obvious inefficiencies in the OS bug me11:15
Rocketmanthey either need to provide more ram or design more efficiently11:16
Rocketmanpreferably both11:16
tigertif people didnt scream about iphone eyecandy it would be a lot easier :)11:17
GeneralAntillesGive it time, Rocketman, give it time. :)11:17
tigertI guess the problem always is that you want to do a bit more what the hardware can nicely do11:17
Rocketmani'll use a command prompt if it is more efficient...11:17
tigertI still think os2008 works better than the 770 did for example11:17
RocketmanThe metalayer crawler issue were griped about on OS 2007 a lot too11:18
tigertnot least because it had some nasty bugs11:18
timelyxstill does :)11:20
* timelyx sighs11:21
timelyxit's time for me to nag quim and friends11:21
Jiten_is there a program for n800 that can interact with a mythtv box? like watch television and such?11:22
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Jiten_ah, nevermind, found maemomyth11:23
Rocketmanbrb, disabled metalayer crawler and need to reboot11:27
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RocketmanBit more free memory after disabling metalayer-crawler11:43
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timelyxRocketman: what's wrong w/ using htop to see memory usage?11:46
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timelyxshouldn't you have a fairly good idea what kind of win you'll get?11:46
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RocketmanI was using top11:50
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rip__any more responsive from disabling the metalayer-crawler ?12:05
rip__I personally have a horrid disgust with the inbuilt media player12:05
rip__its slow, and can't play any of my video files12:07
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rip__and I can't stand the layout ..12:07
rip__I just can't wait till Canola2 comes out :)12:07
solmumahai think the builtin is great12:09
solmumahaexcept for video12:09
RocketmanA bit more free memory, but no dramatic speed increases or anything12:10
rip__I don't use the n800 for Music, I can't comment on that part12:10
GeneralAntillesBuilt-in works fine for me.12:10
RocketmanMost of the Nokia provided apps are pretty half-assed12:10
GeneralAntillesVideo's great, even, if you set it up properly.12:10
Rocketmanjust look at the rss reader and email12:11
rip__wern't they going to release another version of the email ? but didn't have time12:11
RocketmanMplayer is the only way to go for video12:11
GeneralAntillesmodest will be around soon enough12:12
rip__I use mplayer all the time for the N800 :)12:12
RocketmanThey have alluded to an email client called Modest for ages12:12
GeneralAntillesBIG, HUGE, improvement over the current client.12:12
Rocketmanbut the proof is in the pudding12:12
GeneralAntillesA preview was just released.12:12
RocketmanI use claws or webmail12:12
rip__I do like how the programs are integrated though12:12
rip__no need to login12:12
GeneralAntillesIt'll be here soon enough, Mr. Pessimist. :P12:12
rip__it just blinks blue leds when I get an email or message12:13
rip__which is pretty sweet12:13
RocketmanI consider myself a realist12:13
rip__since im pretty lazy and never check email ;)12:13
RocketmanNokia has had the same, much maligned email app since the 77012:13
RocketmanIf you are going to call yourself an Internet Tablet, you better do email really, really well12:14
rip__well, I don't mind the email,12:14
kulvedoesn't the os2008 have a new email app?12:15
Rocketmanand the builtin is basically useless if you get more than 5 emails a day12:15
rip__but I only get messages from family and none of them send me bloated html email12:15
Rocketmanaweful, aweful workflow12:15
rip__lol12:16
rip__well ive finally got wireless-tools on my n800 OS2008 :)12:16
Rocketmancool12:16
rip__buggered if I could package it into a deb file though12:16
rip__had to scp it over to the n800 from the SDK12:16
Rocketmanyou don't happen to have an updated build of kismet?12:16
GeneralAntilleskulve, it's called Modest, and it's not here yet.12:17
GeneralAntillesBut soon enough.12:17
rip__I didn't think kismet even worked on the chipset in the tablets ?12:17
RocketmanI noticed they released a new one in October12:17
Rocketmanworks on all of em rip12:17
rip__ahh ok cool12:18
RocketmanThere are some issues though12:18
rip__what chipset is in them ?12:18
rip__I couldn't work out how to find out12:18
kulveGeneralAntilles: oh? Is it going to be in the final os2008? Just not in the beta?12:18
Rocketmanmainly due to Nokia trying to yank back the interface with its auto connection scanning feature12:18
GeneralAntillesI'm guessing February or maybe January.12:18
kulveso no12:18
kulvethat's odd..12:19
Rocketmanand sending it into low power mode all the time, due to the short screen blanking issues12:19
rip__ahh ok12:19
RocketmanThere is a thread on ITT that shows you how to add new intervals to the two display related power management options12:20
RocketmanI set mine to add a couple hour interval for when I am running kismet12:21
Rocketmanworks on n810 too12:21
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RocketmanI should check on kismet with GPSD now that the n810 has one built in12:22
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rip__im building kismet on the SDK atm, so far it hasn't bombed out12:25
rip__:P12:25
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RocketmanYou should post kismet once it is built to ITT12:32
RocketmanIf you can't package it yourself there are plenty of people who can help there12:32
rip__well, it compiles on the SDK12:32
Rocketmancool12:33
rip__i would imagine someone who knows how to package would have an SDK to compile it12:33
rip__I was using Mud to package things up12:33
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rip__which seems to work a treat on programs like OLSRD12:33
Rocketmanmight check out the config file from prev versions to see proper settings12:33
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Rocketmananyways, running low on batt12:34
Rocketmannight12:34
rip__lol12:34
rip__np nite12:34
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pupnik_i think you are all just pretending to have N810s as part of a psy-ops campaign against europe12:35
rip__lol12:35
rip__I have an n800 :p12:35
rip__the N800's in Australia are so hard to get, and the ones you can get are all imports12:35
rip__and are at a disgusting price of almost 600 bucks12:35
pupnik_yeah australia got the real short end :/12:35
rip__I got my from the US for 350 AUD12:36
rip__and 75 bucks of that was freight :p12:36
pupnik_mm.. i b back12:38
pupnik_cheers rip12:38
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timelyxrip__: note that if you get more than 5 messages an hour, the blue light in email will suck12:44
GeneralAntillesHa12:44
rip__lol12:45
* timelyx considers checking the messages per minute mark here12:45
rip__im lucky to get 1 email a day ;)12:45
timelyxlooks like i'm only getting 4 messages per minute atm12:46
timelyxsome minutes are heavier than others12:46
rip__lol12:46
timelyxcan you imagine the blue light or the popup indicator?12:46
rip__I guess12:46
rip__if its always going off ;)12:46
timelyxyes.12:46
rip__I guess thats where claws mail comes in12:47
timelyxhow?12:47
timelyxYou are currently using 1196 MB (22%) of your 5425 MB.12:47
rip__or the other ones that arn't intergrated12:47
timelyxInbox (91746)12:47
rip__well it wouldn't always be blinking then :p12:47
timelyxthat's unread conversations12:47
rip__lol12:47
GeneralAntillesUgh12:47
timelyxthis mailbox is relatively new, <<1yr old12:48
GeneralAntillesI'd nuke my inbox and go live in the wilderness.12:48
timelyxi filled 1 gmail account before it :)12:48
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doc|homempcc is great, can switch off monitor on desktop, lie in bed and just play music through the desktop's speakers :)12:52
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lardmanmorning12:56
GeneralAntillesWonder if there's some sort of mpc -> iTunes daemon somewhere.13:03
GeneralAntilles*d13:03
lardmanshackan: same as shacka1?13:04
shackanmm, yes13:05
lardmanCould you make any more sense of that fn?13:06
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rip__doc|home mpcc ?13:08
GeneralAntilleshttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/mmpc13:10
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lardmanhmm, 3rd of Dec and still no N810 in the Nokia shop....13:15
GeneralAntillesOoh, sweet I found an unopened jug of cranberry juice in the back of the fridge.13:16
GeneralAntillesYum.13:16
lardmanfermented?13:17
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GeneralAntillesNah, expiration is in February. ;)13:23
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Khertan_TheRealhi !13:49
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tigertof 2001? :)14:13
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lopzhola14:14
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lopzbye14:25
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Rocketmanhey etrunko14:39
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RocketmanBusy with Canola?14:39
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etrunkoRocketman: kind of...14:40
etrunkohehe14:40
RocketmanHey, you did the original port of Xournal, right?14:41
RocketmanAny chance of getting an updated version for OS 2008?14:42
pupniktimelyx: a really useful extension/feature for the OS2008 browser would be to only activate embedded flash on user tap - would prevent all the flashvertisement crap from bogging down the browser.14:42
RocketmanIn between releasing Canola and all :)14:42
Rocketmanpupnik, I believe you can do that with greasemonkey14:43
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Rocketmanwhich is available I believe14:43
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RipTornCanola ? sweet :) I love canola ;)14:45
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Rocketmanwe are not worthy14:46
Rip2is Canola going to be available on any other platform? or only Maemo ?14:47
Rip2I would love it on my Incar PC14:47
Rip2would give me an excuse to have a touch screen in my car14:47
RocketmanI have a carputer too14:47
Rip2which also runs Linux :p14:47
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Rocketmanruns windows, unfortunately14:48
Rip2I've been playing with the mythTV frontend which is horrid for a incar PC14:48
Rip2and way too bloated14:48
Rip2Canola2 would be perfect14:48
RocketmanI mainly use mine for obdII, gps, sat radio, podcasts, etc14:49
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Rocketmanpretty much all of which could be replaced by a tablet14:49
Rocketmancept my car has 8" screen14:49
Rip2mines currently under my desk at frustration at from no decent frontend14:50
Rocketmancan show much more detailed, readable maps14:50
GeneralAntillesYeah, the frontend issue is what's keeping me from doing something with my old Mac mini.14:50
GeneralAntillesAren't those 8" screens 800x480? :P14:51
Rip2mines a MiniITX that had a horrid TV out solution on a mini DVD Screen :(14:51
Rip2I need a VGA solution :p14:51
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GeneralAntillesIt's really something I'd like to do.14:52
GeneralAntillesPlenty of room, and the dash lends itself pretty well to the purpose.14:52
astro76Rocketman, can you get a vnc client for the carputer? could vnc to the tablet ;)14:54
GeneralAntillesHa14:54
GeneralAntillesHaha14:54
GeneralAntillesCould there be an any more round-about and wasteful solution than that?14:54
Khertan_TheRealDoes there is change on the network wifi driver on chinook ?14:54
astro76I'm sure we could think of something more convoluted14:54
Khertan_TheRealcan we now use monitor mode ?14:54
GeneralAntillesHire a guy to transceiver it into morse code?14:55
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Rocketmankismet runs on my n81014:55
Rocketmanhaven't done a lot of testing, but it picks up networks14:55
Khertan_TheRealwithout disconnecting after 5 minutes ?14:55
RocketmanLike I said, haven't done a lot of testing14:56
Rip2did you manage to package it up ?14:56
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Rocketmanyou can change display timeout same as on 200714:56
Khertan_TheReali ve made a test of dsniff 5 minute ago ... but i doen't capture anything ... don't capture my own packet14:56
Rocketmanso it doesn't trigger pm so quickly14:57
Khertan_TheRealand i ve don't find wireless tool for chinook so i ve try monitoring mode ...14:57
GeneralAntillesOther than haxing some poor schmuck's network, what's the point? :P14:57
Khertan_TheRealto capture my own packet ...14:57
Rocketmankismet is very very useful14:57
Khertan_TheRealand to do audit... one part of my job ;)14:58
Khertan_TheRealso no more laptop computer ;)14:58
GeneralAntillesRight, employment purposes14:58
GeneralAntillesbut not many people can say that's part of their job description. ;)14:58
Rocketmanshows hidden networks, scans continuously and can show information on connected clients14:59
Khertan_TheRealyes of course, but always usefull14:59
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Rocketmanto say nothing of gps logging for creation of maps14:59
Rip2I'm part of a wireless community, Kismet is pretty cool for checking on nodes and that14:59
Khertan_TheRealbut useless on n800 with bora15:00
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pupniki hope the n800 production facility gets the little fit and finish niggles worked out15:02
pupnik81015:02
Rocketmanwhat wireless community, Rip?15:02
Rip2ntfreenet in Australia,15:02
halleypupnik, like what?15:02
Rip2we mainly use OpenWRT running Freifunk15:03
Rip2and I notice [mbm] is in here from OpenWRT :p15:03
Rip2so im in good company ;)15:03
RocketmanI go to the Seattle Wireless meetings pretty often15:03
pupnikfrom ITT: three reports of something rattling around inside.  two reports of off-center keyboard.  one report of kickstand rubbing the case when closed15:03
Rip2cool, I used to watch there videos15:03
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pupniktheir videos15:03
Rocketmanfreifunk network is damn cool15:04
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Rip2I'd love to have that many interested people in the NT ;)15:04
pupnikwhat does frefunk do that's cool?15:04
RocketmanI printed out one of their nodemaps as a poster once15:04
pupniksounds like a free wifi net15:04
Rip2Freifunk mainly uses OLSRd and B.A.T.M.A.N for mesh routing15:04
pupnikah15:04
RocketmanThey have one of the biggest community run networks in the world15:05
Rip2and its generally used with mesh networks that are free15:05
Rip2yeah the Berlin Freifunk network is pretty massive15:05
Rip2and have some talent behind it ;)15:05
Rip2Sven the smarty pants15:05
Rip2:p15:05
Rocketmanand it is all based around cheap little wireless routers running linux and open mesh routing protocols15:05
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Rip2works pretty damn well15:06
Rocketmanolsr is available for maemo you know15:06
pupnikcool15:06
Rip2for Chinook ?15:06
Rip2I found it for Bora15:06
Rip2but not Chinook15:06
RocketmanA lot of Bora packages work fine15:06
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Rip2ahh ok15:07
Rocketmanthe incompatabilities are much exagerated15:07
Rocketmanhaven't tried a lot of things yet15:07
Rip2I submitted some files to MUD for Olsrd 0.5.4 to be built with Mud15:07
GeneralAntillesWell, it's not so much that, Rocketman, as that the Gtk breaks are very visible. ;)15:07
Rip2which spits out all the plugins and daemon which seem to work sweet on my N80015:08
RocketmanI've been using my n800 with Os 2008 as a test before installing a Bora app on my 81015:08
Rip2is N810 really that much better?15:09
RocketmanI'm liking it for the most part15:09
Rip2even reading the ITT its hard to work out :p15:09
GeneralAntillesNo hardware upgrades, so who cares?15:09
bedboiguys excuse me if i pose such a question, btw i'm not so well informed on the status of the discount codes. Anyone as fresh news regarding when we can use them?15:09
Rocketmankeyboard works pretty well, as you can see15:09
VeggenI guess the difference is builtin gps, and keyboard.15:09
Rip2the N800 in Australia is still almost 600 :( id hate to see how much N810 will cost .....15:09
Veggenbut one drawback is no exchangeable insternal SD.15:10
RocketmanDon't forget the screen15:10
GeneralAntillesAnybody else notice that UPnP is unbelievably slow in Media player compared to OS2007?15:10
RocketmanThe memory slot change was a BIG negative for me15:10
Rocketmanalmost decided against getting it15:10
Rip2ugh don't mention SD cards to me :p I'd hard enough finding anything over 4gig in stores around here15:11
Rip2and when I've tried ordering 8gigs from Amazon it spits saying it only posts to USA15:11
* Rip2 spits15:11
VeggenAny reports whether or not the 8GB corruptionness is truly fixed, now?15:11
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GeneralAntillesIt is, Veggen.15:12
VeggenI've been holding off bying those until I'm sure.15:12
Veggencan you buy any 8GB card (as long as it's SDHC-compliant)?15:12
RocketmanHaven't heard many reports of dead cards since the recent OS 2007 revision15:12
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Rocketmanpretty much15:13
Rip2Rocketman : did you package up your Kismet for OS2008 ? or just copy over the files ?15:13
RocketmanI think 16 GB cards are coming to market too15:13
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Rip216 GB cards would be nice :)15:13
Rocketmanmine isn't a 2008 specific build15:13
Rip2ahh ok just the old one ?15:14
Rocketmanusing same deb as was using for 200715:14
Rip2ahh sweet15:14
Rocketmanyeah15:14
Rip2cheers15:14
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pupniki've already got a couple hundred games, songs and a couple hours of vid on my 2GB rs-mmc15:20
pupnikbut more is always better15:20
pupniki wish UAE would do better screen scaling15:21
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Rocketmanhttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=121915:22
Rocketmanvnc client for 200815:22
Rocketmanjust tested15:22
Rocketmanworks fine on my 81015:22
pupnikwoot15:23
Takpupnik: how's the dosbox xmaeme frontend coming?15:23
pupnikvnc will be real nice with that k15:23
pupnikah i got the module built and not seeing the tab come up15:23
pupniklookin into that today15:23
Rocketmanjust used vnc to update my web server15:23
pupnikTak - ah would you be interested in looking at a python frontend?15:24
pupnikthey do some good things with layout that i think you might want to borrow15:24
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pupnikhttp://www.panayotis.com/prog/scripts/pydosbox/index.html15:26
pupnikty for the reminder though Tak15:26
Takheh - the work's already done to have xmaeme in C - we may as well save the users some ram/cpu and keep it in C at this point15:27
Rocketmanlaters, really ought to try and sleep15:28
Rocketmannight all15:28
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Rip2CoolCool15:30
Rip2ugh15:30
Rip2trying to type via VNC15:30
Rip2:P15:30
Rip2cool15:30
Rip2works fine15:30
Rip2id rather the small keyboard than a thumb board15:30
Rip2but I guess its rigged up for N810 with a keyboard15:30
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GeneralAntillesExcellent, just got mpd set up.15:41
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lardman|homeRight, this is probably a bit of a school boy question, but here goes :)15:54
qosis here somebody who uses load-applet?15:55
lardman|homehttp://maemo.pastebin.com/m5906a77115:55
lardman|homeany thoughts on what causes "Bad file descriptor"?15:55
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lardman|homehttp://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/mp3/minimad-arm/ is arm-side code15:56
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lardman|homehttp://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/mp3/madmp3dec/ is dsp-side code15:56
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pupniklardman|home: it not finding the file at all?15:57
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lclokidoes somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me15:57
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pupnikStandard input has a file descriptor of 0, standard output uses 1, and the number 2 is used by standard error.15:58
lardman|homeyeah, the error naming is wrong, it used to read from stdin and write to stdout, but I wanted to see output so I altered it to read to/from giles15:59
lardman|homefiles15:59
lardman|homein retrospect, I could have left it as was and just looked at the stderr output16:00
pupnikoh ok16:00
pupnikthx for the source16:01
lardman|homeIf I declare something (a struct) as static (global) in one source file, I should be able to access it in another if I use "extern struct blah" etc.?16:03
lardman|homethe two files are linked together16:03
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derfIf you declare it as a global, yes.16:03
derfIf you declare it as static, no.16:03
rothielstatic =/= lardman16:04
pupnikwhat happens if you pass the full path to the mp3 file to the program?16:04
pupnikoh16:04
rothielstatic =/= global I meaned ^^16:04
lardman|homewell it's global as it's declared in the body of the file, and it's declared as static...?16:04
pupnikalso try printfing the filename you get from argv to make sure that's correct16:05
derflardman|home: That means it has file scope.16:05
* pupnik stfus16:05
lardman|homeah :)16:05
derfSo you can decidedly not reference it outside of the file.16:05
rothiela global variable can't be static16:05
derfRemove the static keyword if you want to.16:05
lardman|homewell that explains lots of things then :) knew I should have read my C book harder16:05
derfIt is exactly the same as declaring a function static.16:06
lardman|homeI'm not sure I should, all of the dsp stuff seems to use static for file-global declarations. I presume this means it's placed somewhere specific in memory, not sure what would happen if I made it truely global16:06
derfIt's most likely just a data-hiding abstraction.16:07
GeneralAntilleshttp://djcbflux.blogspot.com/2007/12/modest.html16:07
GeneralAntillesMmm looking tasty.16:07
lardman|homederf: ok, thanks :)16:07
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pupniknice find GeneralAntilles  - did you post it to ITT?16:08
GeneralAntillesNah, didn't bother.16:08
lardman|homehmm anyone kagu related in here?16:10
lardman|homeI installed it the other day (along with ukmp and mplayer) and one of them added "repostory.maemo.org" (note the typo) via its install file16:10
GeneralAntillesYou posting it pupnik?16:11
lardman|homeIndeed, kagu was the culprit16:12
* _matthias_ was just on the phone with nokia.at16:17
_matthias_no news about n810 :(16:17
GeneralAntillesYou bitch about "Map" for us?16:17
lclokidoes somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me16:19
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TakIMO the extras-devel repo should be hosted on suppository.maemo.org16:25
Khertan_TheReallol16:26
pupnikamazon.de says dec 28-jan 15 for N81016:26
pupnik<image="weeping_bear.gif">16:27
lclokican someone test a package for me?16:29
lardman|homeurgh, typo, read() rather than fread()16:29
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mgedminlcloki: what package and on which OS?16:36
mgedminoh, 200816:36
mgedminI haven't upgraded yet16:36
* mgedmin wishes he had a spare N800 for testing upgrades16:36
lclokimgedmin, yeah. its a package which depends on load-applet for OS200816:37
Rip2im sure if you upload it and post on ITT plenty of people will have a test16:38
lclokiRip2, thats the problem. its not too complex and i don't want thousands of people scream around that there are bugs here and there ...16:40
Rip2lol16:40
Rip2fair enough16:40
Rip2ahh well, its after midnight I better crash16:41
lclokiRip, do you know 'load-applet'?16:41
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Rip2I've never used it sorry16:44
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lardman|homeah-ha, it nearly works, I'm getting it to return an error now: MAD_ERROR_LOSTSYNC16:50
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pupnik"D16:51
pupnikcoool16:51
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lardman|homeanyone have a link to some small mp3 files? I'm decoding to pcm and don't want to fill my ~/ too quickly16:51
lardman|homeor rather am trying to decode...16:51
pupnikhttp://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/41_30secMP3Enc31.mp316:53
pupnikhttp://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/compilation_mp3_128.mp316:53
pupnikhttp://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/compilation2_mp3_128.mp316:54
lardman|homethanks16:54
pupnikhttp://xiph.org/vorbis/listen.html  source (for those interested in comparing codecs, etc)16:55
_berto_lardman|home: why are you decoding mp3 to pcm?16:55
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lardman|home_berto_: seems like an easy way to test compliance of the decoder16:56
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_berto_lardman|home: I mean, why do you need an mp3 decoder ? :)16:56
lardman|homepupnik: interesting, the other ones I tried produced that lostsync error (the decoder is a limited one so I thought perhaps the format was not what it wanted), but the first one of yours causes a bus error16:57
lardman|home_berto_: dsp hacking16:57
_berto_ah16:57
lardman|homeright, that's all I've got time for, long lunch break, time to go back to work16:58
lardman|homebbiab16:58
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lardmanre17:15
lardmanI'm actually quite pleased with that mp3 task17:18
lardmanshows that threads are the way to go17:18
Taklardman: you got an mp3 task running?17:18
lardmanTak: yes and no, it partly runs, doesn't output anything except for errors though17:19
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lardmanbut it does prove that you can run the decoder in a thread and use semaphores to bring the data in by syncing with the dsptask started by dsp_dld17:19
GeneralAntillesMmm . . . using modest now17:19
GeneralAntillesit's really rather wonderful17:19
lardmanso I'm going to can my hacky tremor decoder and see if I can just drop the lowmem nobyte tremor code into a thread and use it in the same way17:20
GeneralAntillesAnybody have a tip on how to replace the built-in client with Modest?17:21
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* pupnik gives lardman thumbs-up and a big grin17:22
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dwixhi all :)17:22
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pupnikhi17:23
TakGeneralAntilles: edit (or divert) the .desktop file maybe?17:24
GeneralAntillesOK, here's a giant n00b question: Where are the .desktop files? :)17:25
dwixi guess asking if anyone managed to conect to eduroam wifi networks (MSCHAPV2) is useless, right?17:25
inzGeneral, depends, for normal applications they're in /usr/share/applications/hildon17:25
Tak/usr/share/applications/hildon iirc17:25
inzGeneral, then there are .desktop files for control panel and status bar applets17:25
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GeneralAntillesThanks, inz and Tak.17:28
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dragorndwix: I've never heard of eduroam but mschapv2 should work17:30
dragorndwix: at least with wpa-eap and the proper certificate added to the device it's worked for me in the past17:30
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GeneralAntilles.desktop implies that the dbus functionality for composing and such isn't quite there yet.17:31
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GeneralAntillesGuess I'll hold off.17:31
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dwixdragorn: our university have IEEE 802.1X EAP/PEAP network and i cant connect (root CA certificate installed, but still getting "incompatibile WLAN" error)17:37
pupnikpeap have some problems - search ITT17:38
dwixi know, but there is no solution yet :17:39
pupnikalloc.h reminds me of beer17:39
Takwhat doesn't?17:40
pupnik:)17:40
dragorndwix: Ah, peap?  I think that might screw you up, yeah.  You could *try* os2008 betas, but I don't know that it would help17:41
dragornI noticed os2008 doesn't agree too well with wpa2-psk aes networks, but haven't tracked it down17:41
matt_cI've had problems connecting via PEAP but I'm not sure if it's an OS thing or me not getting it right17:41
dragornanyone know if they moved the crypto functions out of the binary blob in the wireless driver?17:41
lardmanDoes anyone understand what this means?: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=7AF192DA69C59243838FF62851F64F55016FD89A%40toebe101.NOE.Nokia.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel17:42
Takit's a link to a web page :-P17:42
dwixdragorn: already have os2008, no luck with peap :/ i guess i need to wait17:42
GeneralAntillesHow do I enter accent characters with a bluetooth keyboard?17:43
lardmanTak: what about the contents then :)17:44
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Takhmm...so you can't index across page boundaries?17:45
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lardmanTak: I cerainly couldn't, but what is that email talking about? the address wraps around?17:46
lardmanhe doesn't rule out being able to access the second page though17:47
Takit would be awesome if I could find the whole message that was in reply to17:47
Takoh, hah, he quoted it in its entirety anyway17:48
dragornis it saying that it's not going to allocate contiguous pages so your buffer isn't valid beyond the first one?17:49
lardmandunno, it appears that the mmu wraps the address you ask for around if it goes beyond the page17:49
lardmanhmm, if it does allocate more than one page, and they're not contiguous, I wonder how I can get the address of the second one17:50
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Takhmm - he says you can't point across a boundary /by indexing/17:52
Takdoes that also preclude the buf + 0x12345 method?17:53
lardmanhmm, I seem to remember someone saying something like that to me....17:54
lardman(I see here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=A6486E544B2EC949BE853E0AD9CE5433D54A09%40blr-ec-msg04.wipro.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel, that large multi page buffers are allowed)17:54
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lardmanIn fact I quote: "I have maped 7 MB between the ARM and the DSP on OMAP5912 and everything is OK.17:55
lardmanYou have to access mapped memory like a poiner, not like an array."17:55
lardmanwhat does that actually mean?17:55
* lardman puts his school boy hat on17:56
Takit means, instead of doing buf[i] = x, you do *(buf + i) = x17:56
lardmanI thought the two were the same17:57
Takapparently not when dealing with the dsp17:57
lardmanlol17:57
lardmancan anyone explain why that might be (for curiosity's sake)?17:58
lardmanhmm, the pointer size on the dsp is small iirc17:59
dragornthat's really weird17:59
dragorni'd have expected the compiler to resolve those the same way too18:00
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lardmanI'll give it a test this evening and see if it works18:00
Takthe backend implementation of [] must take the page boundaries into account for some reason18:00
lardmanI wonder if it allows faster looping for the dsp18:01
TakI'm not sure why anyone would design it that way, but I tend to run a little further from the metal, so I dunno18:01
lardmanit can go over the end of an array and it loops back to the start, etc.18:01
dragornTak: I'd have expected the compiler to turn *(a+b) and a[b] into the same assembler though.  Obviously not, it's just odd :P18:02
dragornis this a dsp targetted compiler, or the host?18:02
Takdragorn: as would I have18:02
lardmandragorn: assuming the *(a+i) works, I'll disassemble the two statements and we can see what it's doing18:02
lardmandragorn: dsp18:02
dragornlardman: I'd be curious what you find18:02
dragornlardman: ahh18:02
dragornso who knows what their wacky little custom compiler thinks the world looks like?18:03
lardmanyeah, that's a good point18:03
lardmanassuming it works (and it's a big assumption), does anyone fancy writing a colourspace converter and scaling routine?18:05
lardmanto drop into the dsp task that is - Serge was interested in using the dsp to take some of the processing load off the ARM when using mplayer18:05
TakI'd like to move fceu's sound emulation to a dsp task as well18:06
lardmanor if no-one fancies it, is there any example code about as this is not something I've dont before18:06
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lardmanTak: well I can sort the dsp structure and the arm comms bit out18:06
TakI'm surprised serge hasn't offered to write such a routine for you18:06
lardmanTak: he's pretty busy atm18:06
Takah18:06
lardmanTak: I'm sure he would if i can show him the link works18:07
lardmanTak: do you have code for the sound emulation? what is the structure like?18:07
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Takyeah, I do18:10
Takone sec18:10
Takhttp://rafb.net/p/B3M7Kw78.html18:14
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Takit's horrible18:17
* lardman takes a look18:20
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lardmanso what happens, there are loads of codes that need to be decoded into some instruction or other18:21
lardman?18:21
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lclokidoes somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me18:22
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lardmanlcloki: what's the app?18:22
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lclokilardman, u know the icon load-applet uses? in my opionion it sucks ;) i made a better one which fit in the new OS2008 look18:23
lardmanah, I see18:23
lclokilardman, you know where to get it?18:24
Takyeah, basically the rom generates N frames per second, which the emulator converts to samplingrate/N frames of PCM audio18:24
lardmanlcloki: i don;t use it, sorry18:24
lardmanTak: you should be able to pass a frame or number of frames to the dsp and have it do the pcm generation18:25
lclokilardman, okay. your welcome18:25
lardmanTak: you'd need to pass it back to the arm though as we still can't do direct audio out from the dsp18:25
Taklardman: that's what I'm looking for @ frames -> dsp -> pcm18:25
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Takwe can add -> arm -> esd to that chain if we need to, although it's my understanding that esd internally looks like ( -> dsp -> speaker )18:26
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lardmanTak: yeah, but it still needs to come back to the arm to be sent back to the dsp again - annoying i know18:27
Takbut most of the delay is in the frames -> pcm step currently, either because a) converting the frames to pcm audio is necessarily difficult (I doubt it),  or b) the fceu code to convert the audio is horribly inefficient (I suspect this)18:28
lardmanit also takes lots of operations to generate lots of data I imagine18:28
lardmanso what do the frames contain, what form are the instructions to the emulated sound chip?18:28
Takso even with the extra arm -> dsp -> arm roundtrip, a dedicated dsp task should gain us significant performance18:29
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lardmanit will avoid doing all that processing, yes18:29
lardmanand you can share memory so it ought to be reasonably fast too18:29
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Takafaict, it's midilike18:31
lardmandoes the emulator do something like decode_sound_frame(&pcmbuff, &frame); ?18:31
lardmani.e. a single point at which insert the dsp link?18:31
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power18:39
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lardman:)18:39
zoranis this touristic group?18:39
RichiHeverything OK?18:40
Taklardman: I think the closest thing to that is FlushEmulateSound() in the pasted content18:41
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sp3000emulate flush sound?18:41
lardmanTak: I thought that flushed the pcm to produce sound output18:41
RichiHbirunko kenne lsobral Vudentz aCiDBaSe krau andrunko renatofilho_ luck^ aloisiojr Ryback_ etrunko: what host are you connecting from?18:42
RichiHbirunko kenne lsobral Vudentz aCiDBaSe krau andrunko renatofilho_ luck^ aloisiojr Ryback_ etrunko: if you are behind NAT together or using the same shell box, you should write an email to iline@freenode.net to tell us about it18:43
Ryback_RichiH: we are behind NAT18:43
Ryback_RichiH: it's our company's server18:43
RichiHRyback_: ah, k. can you have your admin contact iline@freenode.net please?18:43
Ryback_RichiH: ok, no problem18:44
RichiHcompany name, number of users and if you will continue to use that egress IP are the important bits18:44
Ryback_RichiH: he said we already did that18:44
RichiHRyback_: when?18:44
Ryback_RichiH: some time ago.. I don't know exactly when18:45
lardmanTak: somewhere in the emulator, depending on how the frames are assembled (i.e. is there something producing them inside the emulator, or are they just read from a file) there may be a bit of code that does something like decode_frame()18:45
RichiHRyback_: in that case, it got lost18:45
Ryback_RichiH: we've talked to lilo18:45
RichiHRyback_: then it must have been over a year18:45
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lardmanTak: if there's not, and the sound instructions are issued from all round the place, you'll need to intercept each one of them. I don't know what happens with timing in that case18:46
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RichiHRyback_: lilo died september 200618:46
Ryback_RichiH: well.. I'm gonna ask our admin to send the email again18:46
Ryback_RichiH: yeah, we know18:46
RichiHRyback_: thanks18:46
RichiHRyback_: if he sends it right now, we can do it immediately18:47
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Ryback_RichiH: ok, gonna talk to him18:48
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RichiHta18:48
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Taklardman: that function converts and flushes18:56
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lardmanTak: that's okay then19:08
hugolprenatofilho_:  you arround?19:08
Takit relies on some global memory that would have to be shared19:09
Ryback_RichiH: he sent the e-mail with INdT information19:09
renatofilho_hugolp, yes19:09
hugolprenatofilho_:  Does the Gmyth Mailing list get checked by the devs?19:09
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lardmanTak: yes, you could either create those variables in the shared memory so they can be accessed on both sides, or you could just update them when you call the dsp to decode19:09
renatofilho_hugolp, I received your e-mail19:10
Takimo shared memory would be the way to go19:10
lardmanTak: the dsp has a different endianness to the arm19:10
lardmanwhich might make sharing them difficult19:10
Takugh, seriously?19:11
lardmaninfact 16bit data is little endian, but 32bit data is two littleendian 16bit chunks in bigendian order19:11
lardmanso it depends on the variable sizes19:11
truenthey i tried changing the icon field for one of my .desktop files.. put a new icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon      but it still uses the original icon.. is there some kind of cache i gotta reset?19:11
renatofilho_hugolp, join on #gmyth19:12
hugolprenatofilho_:  cool19:12
Takthat's bad - at least some of the data is 32bit19:13
lardmanin which case you do endianness shuffling, but that's annoying for shared variables19:13
Tak /highly/ annoying19:13
lardmanso the wave* are the buffers containing the data19:14
lardmanWave* rather19:14
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TakWave* are the output buffers, currfreq/currdc are the input buffers, I believe19:14
truenthuh19:15
truentno answer to this easy question?19:15
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truentno one's come across this yet?19:15
truenteheh19:15
Takprobably it's cached - does a restart show the correct icon?19:16
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truenti'll try again19:16
lardmanTak: if there are functions that must be called to change these global variables then that's okay, you may be able to keep the variables on the dsp, otherwise you'll need to update the dsp each time you ask it to decode a frame19:17
truentrestart same icon19:17
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lardmanjust depends on whether other parts of the code look at Wave* for some reason19:18
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lardmanand same for the others19:18
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lardmantruent: is hicolor and scalable where one is supposed to put icons??19:19
Takcurrfreq/currdc are updated by the rom as part of the game loop19:19
lardmantruent: i.e. it's not that the machine is not in fact running in hicolor mode and therefore doesn't look at those icons19:19
Takthe Wave stuff is just dumped to the audio output driver (in our case the esd driver)19:19
lardmanTak: well it might not be too bad then19:20
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truenti tried one that i know works.. instead of my custom one and it works so apparently somethings wrong with my icon19:21
truentheh19:21
lardmanTak: except for needing to tweak the operations that are carried out, as the pointers appear to be for 32bit data19:21
lardmanTak: home time now, I should be back later if you want to have a chat about how to implement it19:22
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* Tak nods19:23
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renatofilho_hugol1, use http://pastebin.com/19:27
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truentdo icons need to be of a special type/size or otherwise?19:32
truentwhy would it not recognize my icon19:32
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lclokitruent, did you restart your device?19:41
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Takah, there's the infinite reboot loop I've been missing so much19:43
lclokidoes somebody know what is necessary to make a post to planet.maemo.org?19:44
inzlcloki, http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/19:45
lclokiinz, so you must have blog?19:45
inzlcloki, "yes"19:46
lclokiinz, too bad19:46
inzlcloki, any rss-feed should be good, but blog is the easiest solution19:46
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lclokiinz, thanks. i will thing about if its worth a try19:47
inzlcloki, services like wordpress.com should work just fine, no need to set up any blogging software19:48
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lclokiinz, whats about the application wordpress for maemo? does it work for workpress.com and/or for a self-setup of wordpress on my private webhoster?19:51
inzlcloki, "wordpress for maemo" is what it says, it is the wordpress blogging software, i.e. you run the blog on your tablet19:52
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inzlcloki, unless you keep your tablet always on and have a public internet address for it, it will not provide you with what you need19:52
inzlcloki, but WordPy, for example, will work with wordpress.com19:52
lclokiinz, i thought it is a client to post on these sites. like jaiku19:53
inzlcloki, well, wordpy is one like that, but wordpress is the blog sw itself19:55
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lopzre20:53
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fysahttp://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=3021:35
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timelessok21:41
timelessi've just installed modest21:41
timelessit crashed :)21:41
fysahave it working with gmail-imap here now as of today's(?) update21:42
fysagmail-pop3 seems to choke out somewhere21:42
timelessyour mailbox is probably tiny21:42
timelessYou are currently using 1198 MB (22%) of your 5435 MB.21:42
timelessi'm using the smallest mailbox i have21:42
timelesswell, ok, maybe it's not the smallest21:42
timelessbut that one has <100,000 unread conversations21:42
timelessthat's tiny, right? :)21:42
fysaYou are currently using 1538 MB (28%) of your 5436 MB.21:42
fysa:O21:42
timelessInbox (91905)21:43
fysahaha21:43
fysawell, that's it.21:43
timelessaren't i nice?21:43
fysait seems this is the difference --21:43
keesjtimeless: and how big is your spam box?21:43
fysaimap will only pull headers from your inbox, not archived21:43
timelesskeesj: i read my spam21:43
fysaand pop3 will pull from everything?21:43
fysaseemed to work that way for me.21:43
timelessfysa: pop3 is going to die for *any* mailbox i have :)21:44
fysaSpam (5538)21:44
timelessSpam (13)21:44
keesjwow I was already happy with +350021:44
fysaactually, it may be better if you can get it started.21:44
timelessspam is important, you have to read it21:44
timelessreading the rest of my inbox... that's a different story21:44
fysaimap will constantly want all 91,000 headers21:44
fysapop3 will timestamp and only pull what it doesn't hajve21:45
fysahave21:45
fysabut it sounds like you're asking for trouble either way, really ;)21:45
fysayou try claws?21:45
fysagmail-imap is nice because I can see all of my filters..21:45
keesjin:spam maemo == 621:46
fysaonly thing I'd change about modest so far is wanting a flash/LED alert on new mail21:46
timelessthat's a spec'd item i'm sure21:46
timelessit should be configurable21:46
inzfysa, grab the source and add it yerself ;)21:46
fysayeah, I'm assuming it will be21:46
keesjso anybody want's to try gizmo video calling?21:46
timelessi can ask tomorrow when i deliver my report to the manager21:47
fysadon't want to step on anyone's toes ;)21:47
timelessomigosh21:47
fysasomeone is getting paid to concentrate on making modest spectacular, it seems.21:47
timeless(i) Settings saved21:47
timeless    [   OK    ]21:47
timelessfysa: yes, it's an official nokia project21:47
keesjthere is an option in the configuration panel to blink on email...21:47
timelesshrm, i hope i didn't step on anyone's toes in writing it21:47
fysa;)21:47
timelesss/writing it/saying that/21:47
infobottimeless meant: hrm, i hope i didn't step on anyone's toes in saying that21:47
keesjnobody want to see my pretty face?21:48
timeless?21:48
keesjI want to try gizmo video calling and I have no friends21:49
keesjand the gizmo linux client does not support video calling so I can not even call myself)21:50
fysaheh21:50
* keesj goes back to pic programming...21:51
timelesswait21:53
timelessit's seriously going to keep asking me to connect?21:53
timelessgah, that's insane21:53
fysamodest?21:53
kulvedoes somebody want to test playing oggs with the built-in player in 2008?21:54
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kulveusing my ogg-support. I'm trying to debug the problems in it..21:54
fysahey timeless, you toyed with different max-connections and max-connections-per-server settings?21:54
timelessfysa: in mozmail? or microb?21:55
fysamicrob21:55
timelessor modest?21:55
timelessnot seriously/personally21:55
timelessi told people to play w/ them21:55
timelessand i'm pretty sure they picked bad numbers :)21:55
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sp3000people usually do :)21:56
fysa24 max and 8 per-server max..  I bumped per-server up to 20 and testing now.21:56
timelessyeah, talk to sp3000 about that :)21:56
fysaseems especially bad when there is a site that is "Loading nnn/210.."21:56
* timeless sighs21:56
timelessanyone here use modest?21:56
timelesswould someone please explain this:21:57
timelessE-mail>details21:57
timeless"Folder details"21:57
timelesswhy or how does "E-mail>details" relate to "Folder details"?21:57
timelessgah21:57
* timeless kicks them21:57
timelessthey're missing :'s21:57
timelessand i just complained to some OSS guy that the :s belong21:57
* timeless grumbles21:57
timelessok, help, waht does "Last updated" "Never" mean?22:01
sp3000something hasn't ever been updated yet, in circumlocutious language?22:02
timelessbut if i can read some portion of my account22:03
timelesswhat does it mean?22:03
timelessi mean, i can see some messages22:03
timelessor ghosts of messages :)22:03
fysayou can try to delete the cache and try again.22:03
fysaI believe it's in ~/.modest or some such22:03
sp3000is it done updating whatever it was updating?22:03
timelessoh sure, if i want it to crash i'll just delete it :)22:04
fysawell, quit the app first of course.22:04
timelesssp3000: nah, it crashed in its poor attempt :)22:04
fysabut deleting the cache allowed me to remove all messages/pull them down again22:04
timelessgah22:04
timelessthese people don't understand "consistency"22:04
timelessthey have:22:04
sp3000I guess that could explain that22:04
timelessRetrieve*: [Headers only |v]22:04
timelessand22:04
fysain my case, I believe there is a malformed header somewhere it doesn't like22:04
timelessSecure connection: [SSL (IMAP4S) |v]22:05
timelesscan someone please explain what the star means? :)22:05
inzRequired field?22:05
sp3000it's hard to be not required with a dropdown :)22:05
timelessinz: why doesn't Secure connection have a *?22:06
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timelesssp3000 gets the cookie22:06
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timelesssp3000: come ot my office, you can probably get a toblerone instead of just a chocolate thingy22:06
sp3000cookie? I wish22:06
sp3000oh! :D22:06
timelessyes, i really do give rewards, just deserts :)22:07
inztimeless, because the HildonCaption doesn't have state HILDON_CAPTION_MANDATORY22:07
sp3000hmm, I'd have to find it22:07
|Rbtw, dell.ca has n800 for 199$ for interested people...(canada)22:08
timelessdidn't i leave you guys w/ a map?22:08
timelessi'm in f at the end, there's a picture of the 770 from Silver Surfer, an org chart, and various printouts of nokia(usa).com goofs on the window :)22:09
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sp3000don't think I've seen it :)22:09
sp3000ah, k22:09
sp3000"dinner", here I come22:09
timelesschocolate's on the first desk as you enter22:09
timelessheh22:09
sp3000oh, you out already?22:10
timelessno, i'm in22:10
timelesswe can get dinner together :)22:10
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timelessgah, the ime people are really silly22:11
timelesswhy can't they at least learn from s60?22:11
timelessi mean really, is it that hard to copy good ideas from them?22:11
timelessinstead of using an app modal dialog for text entry that provides a recently used "favorites" line + 4 or so rows of chars22:12
timelessthey provide 2 "run away" toolbar rows22:12
timelessthat cause the screen size to jump randomly22:12
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fysadoes the N810 have a mic in the same spot as the N800?22:13
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fysanglayout.initialpaint.delay = -3?22:20
fysado negative values signify something different here than http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay ?22:20
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timelessfwiw, that "small" mailbox of mine is from feb 28, 2007. i.e., that's how long it took for me to get it 22% full :)22:23
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timelessand modest was able to retrieve mail from then until mar 1522:24
timelessso it got about 2 1/2 weeks of mail before it died :)22:24
fysadude..  when you pasted "Inbox (91905)" I could only shudder.22:24
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fysayou know why paint delay is -3?22:24
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timelessnot offhand22:25
timelessfysa: irc.mozilla.org message me when you get there22:25
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fysahttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18024122:28
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fysathere.22:29
derfWhoa, I know the fourth commenter on that bug.22:30
timelessyou know *that* specific person? his name i think isn't unique22:32
derftimeless: His e-mail address is.22:32
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timelessthis is aol, aren't those recycled? :)22:32
timelessbut yeah :)22:32
derfacm is not aol.22:32
timelessthat's #c322:33
* timeless complains about derf's comment numbering style22:33
timelessyou said 4, so i loaded: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180241#c422:33
derfI counted names. I didn't bother lookinat the right.22:33
timelesshelpful lesson :)22:33
timelessc0 is the original description and not considered exactly like a comment for counting, it's c0 :)22:34
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derfAnyway, my point was that's the last place I expected to see his name.22:36
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fysaI'm not 100%, but -3 seems like a bug and could be defaulting to 0.  this would cause real-time rendering updates which probably aren't good on our little ARMs.22:46
fysa600 seems to load a bit quicker.22:47
fysaquite a bit, but I don't know how to benchmark this yet.22:47
sp3000yeah, zero would sound a bit silly22:48
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fysathere is still the 2.5 second delay before a page even begins to really 'load' -- I believe.  it feels like a delay before we even really try to hit a server..22:48
fysapossibly proxy failover22:48
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fysatesting this now..22:49
fysaah, nm22:50
fysaI think if I can monitor with tcpdump, I can time between trying to hit a URL and the first occurence of 'HTTP'22:51
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fysamaybe just DNS..22:51
fysasomeone else should try this.22:55
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fysaset nglayout.initialpaint.delay to around 250-100022:55
maddlerevening all22:56
fysa3000 was definitely too high -- nothing would render until the entire page was complete in most cases.22:56
fysa(i.e., less responsive)22:56
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fysa600 seems pretty good.  no longer re-rendering one word at a time.22:57
fysawhatever "-3" is, it's considerably less than 600.22:57
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timelesssp3000: *help*23:07
sp3000sup23:07
timelessi've been attacked by evil dialogs23:07
timelessfocus is lost23:07
sp3000I bet you provoked them somehow :)23:07
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timelessyou mean i used them?23:07
timelessyeah, that was my first mistake23:07
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* timeless frowns23:09
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timelessshould i install rsync locally?23:09
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timeless:(23:11
timelessmy stage zone doesn't have any compilers?23:11
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sp3000hmm23:25
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sp3000I think it's dinner time23:26
lopzbye23:26
monkey-murderersmmmm banannas23:26
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timelesssp3000:  home or nearby?23:29
pupniklast i saw, the vote was to change monkey to not reply unprompted, not to remove monkey entirely23:29
bstockif i'm running OS2007HE on the 770, do i use n770 or n800 repo's?23:29
pupnikinfobot: test23:29
infobotOh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied!23:29
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pupnikinfobot: pupnik is testing infobot23:30
infobotokay, pupnik23:30
pupnikinfobot: pupnik?23:30
infobothmm... pupnik is testing infobot23:30
monkey-murderersmurderers23:30
monkey-murderersmurderers23:30
timelessinfobot literal murderers23:31
timelessinfobot status23:31
infobotSince Mon Nov 26 21:18:11 2007, there have been 51 modifications, 842 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 472 commands.  I have been awake for 7d 13m 20s this session, and currently reference 114079 factoids.  I'm using about 18860 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 13967.47/750.74 child 0/023:31
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sp3000timeless: nearby wfm if it's ~now :)23:32
timelessnow is good23:32
* sp3000 ->23:32
GNUtonHi!23:32
penguinbaitHigh!23:34
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GNUtonhello penguinbait! :)23:36
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garethrHi all - does anyone know if their is an erlang package available for the N800?23:45
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penguinbaitgnuton, you got kde4 ready to go?23:46
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pupnikinfobot: babelfish en fi "Hello Nokia, can you give us an update on expected delivery of N810 to european countries?"23:46
pupnikhumph no fi23:47
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bstockanyone know the name of the optional software you can get with then 810 for navigation23:48
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el-pollo-locomaemo-mapper23:50
keesjwayfinder?23:50
bstocksomeone mentoned to me some software to buy for like $10023:50
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bstockmaemo mapper is free, it might be wayfinder23:50
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tigertbstock: the software comes with os200823:58
tigertbut the voice-guided navigation costs23:58

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