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| timelyx | _|Nix|_: nspr=portable runtime, ds=datastructures, there's also a libc like thing | 00:01 |
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| timelyx | nss is allowed to depend on all three | 00:01 |
| timelyx | _|Nix|_: odd that we didn't include it. probably buggable | 00:02 |
| _|Nix|_ | Well, it looks like nss and nspr are independent on our platform. | 00:02 |
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| _|Nix|_ | So, libpurple needs to depend on both. | 00:02 |
| czr | timelyx, doing apt-get install now from local repo. | 00:02 |
| czr | timelyx, you can guess whether it's been a smooth ride so far ;-) | 00:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Any word on what the limits are for h.264 under OS2008? | 00:06 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey forget torent | 00:07 |
| _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching torent | 00:07 |
| timelyx | _Monkey torent is <reply> | 00:07 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 00:07 |
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| twpear | Hi. I am very new to Maemo - A friend has a Nokia N800 which impressed me greatly | 00:27 |
| twpear | so much that I will be getting one (or perhaps the N810) | 00:27 |
| twpear | has anyone attempted to port/install Maemo to anything like an iPaq? | 00:28 |
| czr | twpear, maemo is the development environment for the internet tablets | 00:28 |
| czr | i.e., it is missing most of the sw that you see on N800 | 00:29 |
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| twpear | yes, that'd be OS2008 ? | 00:29 |
| czr | what you probably mean is whether the whole internet tablet environment has been ported to ipaq, right? | 00:29 |
| czr | yeah | 00:29 |
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| twpear | a little of both actually - but I appreciate the clarification | 00:29 |
| * czr nods | 00:29 | |
| twpear | so Maemo, I assume, includes the kernel ? | 00:29 |
| czr | it should be possible, but it's not going to be easy | 00:29 |
| czr | maemo does not include the kernel | 00:29 |
| twpear | ahha | 00:29 |
| czr | it doesn't contain most of the system software either | 00:30 |
| czr | also some components on ITs are proprietary | 00:30 |
| twpear | so it's just a framework to provide the SDK ? | 00:30 |
| czr | more or less yes. | 00:30 |
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| czr | depends on interpretation but you get the point of it | 00:30 |
| twpear | OK. So I';m definatly going to need Maemo if I want to write any apps fror my future N8[01]0 | 00:30 |
| czr | I've infact yet to see exact definition of maemo :-). so YMMV :-) | 00:31 |
| czr | twpear, yes | 00:31 |
| czr | you'll need the maemo SDK | 00:31 |
| czr | that's where you write your programs and build them. and then you test them on the device. the SDK is not an device emulator. | 00:31 |
| czr | you can also test X86 versions of your programs in the SDK, but not the ARM ones | 00:32 |
| sven-tek2 | i just packaged my first deb. vncviewer for os08. it works, except for the shell script line "source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh", which is not found in os2008. anyone knows details what the file has been used for, and if there is a replacement on os08 ? | 00:32 |
| czr | so depending on what you do, it might be enough.. | 00:32 |
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| twpear | czr- thanks. Any idea where I may find sources for OS2008 (those that are "free" atleast) so I can begin porting attempts (I plan to use soe concepts from Handhelds.org etc) | 00:33 |
| sven-tek2 | at repository.maemo.org ? | 00:33 |
| czr | twpear, well, a lot of that stuff is available in maemo SDK / repositories.maemo.org | 00:33 |
| Bodhammer | Are there any plans to port libsigsegv to Maemo? | 00:34 |
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| czr | twpear, you might want to go through the maemo-dev mailing list archives as well, there's been various discussions about varios ports before | 00:34 |
| twpear | kewl | 00:34 |
| czr | twpear, and if you're serious about investing time in the port, do introduce yourself and the project, I'm sure there are people who'd be interested in it | 00:34 |
| twpear | the repository looks to not have source | 00:36 |
| czr | twpear, it does | 00:36 |
| czr | twpear, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/ | 00:37 |
| twpear | ahh, it's a debian-esque repository | 00:37 |
| czr | yup. debtools are used in the SDK and the devices | 00:37 |
| twpear | I went to the root (repositor.maemo.org) and saw a webpage which pointed me into the bins, lol | 00:37 |
| czr | twpear, yeah, the index.html isn't really good at pointing all the stuff :-) | 00:38 |
| czr | the links are for dists only, not pool | 00:38 |
| K`zan | czr: Just FWIW, ubuntu is busily being a problem. Completedly blew setting up the network and I have at least two screen resolutions, one for KDM and another for the desktop, still trying to resolve that one :). | 00:38 |
| czr | the sources are in the same dirs as the binary packages | 00:38 |
| czr | K`zan, youre using the vmware image? | 00:38 |
| K`zan | No, Installed off the DVD Image. | 00:38 |
| czr | K`zan, ah | 00:38 |
| czr | please try to copy-paste exact error messages and issues into a file | 00:39 |
| K`zan | Very strange, but then again, it is ubuntu :). | 00:39 |
| czr | that way you can help pin-point the problem and help people help you :-) | 00:39 |
| czr | ubuntu works just fine here. | 00:39 |
| K`zan | LOL, ubuntu doesn't like me :-) :-) :-). | 00:39 |
| * czr shrugs. maybe it's having a bad hair day :-) | 00:39 | |
| K`zan | I end up with a screen for login that is 1500x1400 or something and then when I login I get the 1024x768 I want sorta in the middle of it. | 00:40 |
| K`zan | Changed xorg.conf, so there must be one for kdm someplace else that gets loaded on login. | 00:41 |
| twpear | is there a package list conveniently anywhere - i.e. I have a running kernel for the iPaq (well, mostly) so it "should" just be a matter of cross-compiling some apps (such as X11 or whatever maemo uses in its stead, window manager etc. etc.) | 00:41 |
| twpear | so knowing what packages make up OS2008 would really help - unless it's "all of them" | 00:42 |
| czr | twpear, find someone with OS2008 and ask them to do dpkg -l on the device :-) | 00:42 |
| twpear | lol - ok - tks guys, looks like I'll atleast have to wait until the finance comittee "wife" approves the N800 to go further :-) | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | buy.com, twpear | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | $190 | 00:44 |
| twpear | Canada !! | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 00:44 |
| twpear | the border charges will kill me | 00:44 |
| twpear | ;-) | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go throw yourself into one of your colder bodies of water, then. :P | 00:44 |
| twpear | that said, I'm in the US in early Dec ... can I wait that long | 00:44 |
| twpear | lol | 00:44 |
| |R | twpear : ncix.com pricematched from shopbot.ca | 00:45 |
| twpear | they are out of stock there | 00:45 |
| twpear | according to their site.. | 00:45 |
| twpear | I've seen it for 260 here in stock | 00:45 |
| |R | twpear : you just missed the 245$ sale :) | 00:45 |
| |R | but considering they sold 30 in like 15 hours... | 00:45 |
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| |R | i'm sure they'll be getting some more | 00:46 |
| doc|home | twpear: heh, I did the same thing :) | 00:46 |
| twpear | lol | 00:46 |
| twpear | wow - the NCIX price is now $329.99 | 00:47 |
| |R | twpear : no... do a search on the side bar | 00:47 |
| |R | there are 2 other listed at 270 or something | 00:47 |
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| twpear | ahh, listed as Nokia E-Series, hahahah | 00:49 |
| Bodhammer | I have done the following in an attempt to port Clisp to Chinook. | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | Dev environment is Debian Etch, installed OS2008 environement as per http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.htm. | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | apt-get update | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | apt-get upgrade | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | target is sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | unpaked clisp-2.41.orig (last good ARM port) as per debian.org | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv (as per warning on first ./configure) | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | cd src | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | ./makemake > Makefile | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | make config.lisp | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | vi config.lisp | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | make | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | above was message from ./configure | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | I'm getting the following error message from make: | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)" | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 252 | 00:50 |
| elb | holy crap | 00:50 |
| Bodhammer | suggestions on where to go from here? | 00:50 |
| elb | start by finding a nopaste next time :-P | 00:51 |
| Bodhammer | oops, don't chat much, sorry | 00:51 |
| twpear | Dell has a $25 discount on right now | 00:51 |
| K`zan | Might have found it, checking... | 00:53 |
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| Bodhammer | elb - here ya go:http://nopaste.codersnet.org/pastes.php?view=124 | 00:57 |
| elb | you already pasted it here | 00:57 |
| elb | just don't do it in the future | 00:58 |
| elb | qemu is known to have emulation bugs, you may be hitting one | 00:58 |
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| czr | hmm. how do I extract preinst and postinst scripts from a deb? | 01:00 |
| tsavola | dpkg-deb -x | 01:01 |
| czr | tsavola, that's the same as dpkg -x, right? | 01:01 |
| czr | hmm. tsavola you have sdk 4.0 around? | 01:01 |
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| tsavola | czr: i think that's the correct one :) | 01:01 |
| tsavola | czr: no | 01:01 |
| czr | hmm. I'll try dpkg-deb as well, but I think dpkg -x is a frontend for that anyway | 01:02 |
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| tsavola | i'm usually lazy and write "file-roller foo.deb" and clickety-click a lot | 01:02 |
| czr | hmm. give me a sec, I'll give you a deb and you can say what you think of it | 01:03 |
| tsavola | uh | 01:03 |
| czr | you'll like it, promise. | 01:03 |
| tsavola | ok | 01:03 |
| czr | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/m/maemo-repository/maemo-repository_0.1_all.deb | 01:03 |
| fysa | has anyone gotten synergy working? i.e., move the mouse off the bottom of my desktop display, have it appear on the N800? | 01:03 |
| czr | check the description first | 01:03 |
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| tsavola | czr: ok | 01:05 |
| tsavola | czr: what about it? | 01:05 |
| czr | tsavola, does the description in any way correspond to what the package actually does? :-) | 01:05 |
| czr | ahh. there is a postinst script! | 01:06 |
| tsavola | czr: yes? | 01:06 |
| czr | yes indeed. I feel like a monkey now | 01:06 |
| K`zan | whew, ubuntu is blowing up all over the place, verified md5 and the media, damnifiknow - gonna reinstall. | 01:06 |
| tsavola | :) | 01:06 |
| czr | tsavola, but -x didn't extract the scripts though | 01:06 |
| tsavola | ok | 01:06 |
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| * tsavola <- stupid | 01:07 | |
| tsavola | czr: file-roller does :) | 01:07 |
| tsavola | fire-loller | 01:07 |
| czr | tsavola, dpkg-deb --control path-to-deb.deb out-dir-path | 01:07 |
| czr | fire-lol :-) | 01:07 |
| tsavola | lol! | 01:07 |
| * czr evades the lol | 01:07 | |
| czr | well fired | 01:08 |
| czr | I still think the description is misleading. s/provides/generates/. | 01:08 |
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| tsavola | you care? | 01:08 |
| czr | of course | 01:08 |
| czr | tsavola, any idea why 4.0 still is using rootstrap though? | 01:09 |
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| tsavola | czr: why not? | 01:10 |
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| czr | tsavola, apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev | 01:11 |
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| tsavola | the difference = ? | 01:11 |
| czr | I'm trying to figure out really | 01:11 |
| czr | since the rootstrap doesn't contain the complete SDK anyway | 01:11 |
| czr | so I'm thinking why they bother using one at all | 01:11 |
| tsavola | well it's certainly faster to create a new target out of a rootstrap than to download it all again | 01:11 |
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| czr | tsavola, the diff isn't significant | 01:12 |
| czr | so much of the SDK is downloaded | 01:12 |
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| czr | and the repo webserver has "no-cache" set. | 01:12 |
| czr | so :-) | 01:12 |
| tsavola | i don't acutally know anything about chinook | 01:12 |
| czr | yeah, don't worry | 01:12 |
| czr | I get the full install somewhere round 60 seconds with the apt-get way with local repo now | 01:13 |
| czr | so I'm wondering why they bother with the rootstraps | 01:13 |
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| czr | since the rootstraps need separate maintenance | 01:13 |
| tsavola | people don't want to set up local repositories? | 01:13 |
| czr | s/don't want to/can't at the moment/ | 01:13 |
| tsavola | well i wouldn't want to | 01:13 |
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| czr | you're missing the point though. they'll have to download the rootstrap anyway | 01:13 |
| tsavola | there are two points :) | 01:14 |
| czr | maybe even three... :-) | 01:14 |
| tsavola | oh no! | 01:14 |
| tsavola | i'm going back to the other workspace -> | 01:14 |
| czr | yeah, now we ended up in a byzantine generals problem :-) | 01:14 |
| czr | or actually we just solved one. | 01:14 |
| tsavola | i don't see the irc window anymore! | 01:15 |
| K`zan | Starting to look like ubuntu 7.1 doesn't like vmware - very strange... | 01:15 |
| czr | K`zan, running fiesty here (7.10) in vmware. | 01:16 |
| czr | feisty even. | 01:16 |
| K`zan | Damnifiknow, gonna try one more time and see what happens. | 01:19 |
| czr | tsavola, why not? :-) | 01:20 |
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| tsavola | czr: i'm trying to work | 01:25 |
| tsavola | czr: that's why i didn't compulsively check back at the irc window | 01:26 |
| czr | tsavola, me too :-) | 01:26 |
| czr | you have odd times to work btw. | 01:26 |
| czr | I like it. | 01:26 |
| tsavola | not work work | 01:26 |
| czr | heh :-) | 01:26 |
| czr | "work"? :-) | 01:26 |
| tsavola | yes, work | 01:26 |
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| sven-tek2 | i just packaged my first deb. vncviewer for os08. it works, except for the shell script line "source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh", which is not found in os2008. anyone knows details what the file has been used for, and if there is a replacement on os08? | 01:31 |
| czr | anyone around with sdk 4.0 installed? | 01:33 |
| maddler | czr: here... | 01:34 |
| _Monkey | here is a list: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned | 01:34 |
| * sven-tek2 has it | 01:34 | |
| czr | maddler, can you check whether you have e2fsprogs installed on the SDK? | 01:34 |
| czr | sven-tek2, you too :-) | 01:34 |
| maddler | lemme see... | 01:34 |
| czr | I'm trying to figure out wth pulled it in into my sdk | 01:34 |
| maddler | czr: nothing here... | 01:34 |
| sven-tek2 | iam able to apt-get it | 01:35 |
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| czr | maddler, ok. | 01:35 |
| czr | sven-tek2, but you don't have it already installed, right? | 01:35 |
| sven-tek2 | right | 01:35 |
| czr | if you don't, there's no reason to install it. | 01:35 |
| czr | thanks guys | 01:35 |
| maddler | czr: you are welcome... feel free to ask if you need smtg else... | 01:36 |
| czr | I will, don't worry. | 01:36 |
| czr | :-) | 01:36 |
| sven-tek2 | I'll begin to like chinook. Its very responsive. | 01:38 |
| czr | sven-tek2, you mean OS2008? | 01:38 |
| sven-tek2 | yes | 01:38 |
| czr | right. chinook is 4.0 sdk :-) | 01:38 |
| czr | and yes, OS2008 is pretty much nicer than 2k7 was | 01:39 |
| sven-tek2 | though sometimes the internet-menu button does not respond at all | 01:39 |
| sven-tek2 | i can here the click sound, but the menu does not open | 01:40 |
| sven-tek2 | here -> hear | 01:40 |
| czr | sven-tek2, you're running it on N810? | 01:40 |
| sven-tek2 | no n800 | 01:41 |
| * czr nods | 01:41 | |
| czr | otherwise I'd told you to file a bug :-) | 01:41 |
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| sven-tek2 | perhaps i will file a bug for that huge menu | 01:43 |
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| zerojay | sven-tek2: Yes, I've noticed the Internet globe button sometimes being VERY unresponsive, whereas the others are always more or less instant. | 01:44 |
| czr | try using it with your fingers | 01:44 |
| zerojay | Same either way. | 01:44 |
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| czr | meant the large menu :-) | 01:45 |
| sven-tek2 | on n800 you can use the cross to navigate through the menu | 01:45 |
| sven-tek2 | no need for fingers and big buttons | 01:45 |
| czr | try it right-handed | 01:46 |
| czr | or one-handed :-) | 01:46 |
| czr | anyhow, i was put off by the size as well, but gotten used to it | 01:46 |
| czr | and it's not a "bug" that will be fixed, so filing one won't get you anywhere | 01:46 |
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| zerojay | Same here. I find I can get to what I want faster thanks to the fast scrolling speed. | 01:47 |
| sven-tek2 | no i managed to sort the menu so that most important things need no scrolling its ok - but i dislke it especially for the bookmarks | 01:47 |
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| zerojay | Damn, my Jabber server's got 180 accounts on it now. | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 01:48 |
| zerojay | Not bad for.. a week? Week and a half? | 01:48 |
| * GeneralAntilles high-fives zerojay. | 01:48 | |
| zerojay | Hah. | 01:48 |
| zerojay | ~40 people active at any time. | 01:49 |
| K`zan | keep meaning to find out what this jabber thing is... | 01:49 |
| sven-tek2 | has anyone tried the sip in os2008? | 01:49 |
| zerojay | sven-tek2: I use it with my Gizmo account. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now you just need to crack the whip on texrat to get him to clean up that godawful site design. :P | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, so do I, sven-tek2. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much better than OS2007 | 01:49 |
| zerojay | Hah.. he's in the middle of working on it. | 01:50 |
| zerojay | And we're accepting donations now | 01:50 |
| sven-tek2 | is there a echo test somewhere in the net? i entered my ekiga.net account, but ekigas 500@ekiga.net does not work with n800 | 01:50 |
| zerojay | Is that supposed to be a space in your account name? | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FTE1C4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FTG6EA | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Price is almost too low to be believed. | 01:51 |
| K`zan | Wait for shipping cost :) | 01:52 |
| maddler | TTL here... | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | $18 total for 2 car and 2 wall | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can swing that. ;) | 01:53 |
| maddler | GeneralAntilles: give a look at www.dealextreme.com :) | 01:53 |
| sven-tek2 | thanks i found the gpe for os2008 i can go to bed now instead of packaging it myself | 01:55 |
| sven-tek2 | bye ;-) | 01:55 |
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| K`zan | Got to find a case for the n800, the one it comes with is useless. | 01:56 |
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| deejoe | K`zan: I have a nice metal box that used to hold 28 jumbo size double six dominos. | 01:58 |
| deejoe | cost about 6 bucks at the local drug store | 01:58 |
| deejoe | it's slightly oversize for the n800, but with some internal padding, it's about right. | 01:59 |
| kf6gpe | K'zan: I've been very happy with a $20.00 or so case I got from eBay; just search "N800 case". Also, the small GameBoy DS suitcase-like cases work well as cases for carrying the unit, charger, cable, and so on. | 01:59 |
| K`zan | kf6gpe: rr tnx om! | 01:59 |
| czr | hmm. is chinook extras actually useful for anything at the moment? | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 02:01 |
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| czr | GeneralAntilles, examples? | 02:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/ | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Things in there. | 02:05 |
| czr | I know where the repo is. I asked whether it's useful for anything :-) | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm 10 hours off a sleepless redeye here, I can't recall. :P | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I recall the app manager being much less sparse after I enabled extras | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it solves a number of dependencies, too. | 02:07 |
| czr | openssh is there hmm. | 02:07 |
| czr | and scummvm | 02:08 |
| _Monkey | scummvm is probably a program which allows you to run certain classic graphical point-and-click adventure games, provided you already have their data files. http://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/ | 02:08 |
| czr | ah yes. and the broken python thingy too | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm digging these cheap cables, maddler. This stuff actually any good? | 02:09 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, just trying to decide whether to mirror it or not | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it's a less-simple decision. | 02:09 |
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| czr | btw, is it normal to get failed verification issues when installing packages from the repo? | 02:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | GPG certs? Yes, czr. | 02:27 |
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| czr | GeneralAntilles, yeah. | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | (I wish they would update those) | 02:29 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, I'm noticing there are no signatures in the repos, or at least I can't find them | 02:29 |
| czr | ok, just checking (I'm doing the SDK install in a slightly un-orthodox way :-) | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | nice find with that Youtube of the wii camera controller | 05:05 |
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| troof | can someone tell me how i can bypass the product id so i can put the newer os on my 770? | 06:34 |
| pupnik | you can put 2007he on 770 | 06:36 |
| pupnik | 2007he? | 06:36 |
| _Monkey | i guess 2007he is really great | 06:36 |
| pupnik | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php | 06:37 |
| troof | is there any way i can put the n800 software on my 770 | 06:39 |
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| troof | erk | 06:39 |
| troof | thankyou pupnik i will use the 2007 hacker version for now | 06:41 |
| pupnik | yes, OS2007 gets you N800 software on 770 | 06:41 |
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| pupnik | s/OS2007/OS2007HE/ | 06:41 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: yes, OS2007HE gets you N800 software on 770 | 06:41 |
| troof | appreciate it, i couldn't find this for some reason | 06:41 |
| troof | and my product id worked yay | 06:42 |
| pupnik | yw :) | 06:42 |
| troof | i just hope mapper doesn't give me any problems, i really want to try the 2.05 ? release | 06:42 |
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| trevarthan | Hey, has there been any work writing GUI apps for Maemo as client/server web pages? | 07:01 |
| trevarthan | I've seen this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/apache/ | 07:02 |
| trevarthan | And this: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/serverbrowserappdevelopment/ | 07:02 |
| trevarthan | Seems like a really great idea. | 07:02 |
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| trevarthan | Anyone have any thoughts on it? | 07:03 |
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| oil_ | pupnik: you mean that the 0S2007 sw would run on 770? | 07:09 |
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| dick-richardson | how do you flash the new firmware onto the n810? "sudo ./flasher-3.0 -r RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R" doesn't work...i'm getting "Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed!" "Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out" | 07:22 |
| dick-richardson | the md5sum for the downlaod is correct | 07:23 |
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| dick-richardson | nm, wrong command | 07:32 |
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| lopz | bye | 07:35 |
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| Prez | n810, lucky guy... | 07:42 |
| Prez | waiting for IT2008 for n800 | 07:42 |
| truls | is there an equivalent for gnome-open in bora? | 07:44 |
| truls | to open a file with the default hildon-registered program? | 07:45 |
| truls | (from the command-line or from a program) | 07:45 |
| oil_ | I'm thinking how to use wii-remote with n800. would there be some practical use cases for it? | 07:49 |
| Prez | is wii-remote bluetooth? | 07:49 |
| astro76 | would be useful just as a bluetooth gamepad | 07:49 |
| astro76 | yes | 07:49 |
| oil_ | last night I played wiirider game on N95 so that the controls came from Wii-remote | 07:49 |
| astro76 | great for fceu :) | 07:50 |
| astro76 | would be | 07:50 |
| oil_ | this one http://www.symbianresources.com/projects/wiirider.php | 07:50 |
| oil_ | what is fceu? | 07:50 |
| _Monkey | fceu is, like, really strange, when i click on a button (A/B/select/start) it stretches the screen while i click | 07:50 |
| astro76 | fceu is an nes emulator | 07:50 |
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| oil_ | wii-remote could be also nice remote controller for multimediaserver when using TV as display | 07:51 |
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| oil_ | then the other way around. installing wii-remote to an 'rc'-car, connect leds and rumble to car controls. then use n800 to drive the car (and why not write programs to teach the car how to drive) | 07:55 |
| l7 | http://www.slashgear.com/copycat-chinese-gps-borrows-heavily-from-n800-125714.php | 07:57 |
| l7 | old news, but interesting | 07:57 |
| Prez | This is why I never program anymore, things like this distract me... http://fmedina.smugmug.com/gallery/3829376#221423997 | 07:58 |
| Prez | 4 days of that... | 07:58 |
| pupnik_ | that's you? | 07:59 |
| Prez | that picture of a hot friend.. | 08:00 |
| pupnik_ | http://fmedina.smugmug.com/gallery/3829376#221423402 i like the pool and the plants | 08:00 |
| pupnik_ | i want a house like that | 08:00 |
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| Prez | haha | 08:04 |
| Prez | u can rent it, it's a hotel | 08:04 |
| Prez | in San Juan del Sur, Nicaragua | 08:04 |
| pupnik_ | pretty | 08:04 |
| pupnik_ | i wouldn't touch computers if i had money | 08:05 |
| Prez | haha | 08:05 |
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| l7 | hey, who uses boxwave screen protectors? | 08:07 |
| l7 | i'm trying to decide between the Crystal and the Anti-Glare | 08:07 |
| oil_ | Prez: you are from Nicaragua? | 08:08 |
| astro76 | l7, I am using the crystal | 08:08 |
| l7 | astro76: how do you like it? | 08:08 |
| astro76 | l7, I love it, feels great, installs easy | 08:08 |
| l7 | i got the rough impression that the crystal is like a glossy lcd screen, is that true? | 08:09 |
| astro76 | l7, if you had a lot of outdoor/car use, you might consider the anti-glare | 08:09 |
| astro76 | l7, the crystal is like having nothing on your screen at all | 08:09 |
| l7 | ah nice | 08:09 |
| l7 | is the anti-glare one a little duller? | 08:09 |
| astro76 | l7, I don't feel it adds any extra reflectivity whatsoever | 08:09 |
| astro76 | l7, supposedly 90% transmission vs 99% | 08:09 |
| l7 | or maybe it produces a slight discoloration like anti-glare eyeglass coatings | 08:10 |
| astro76 | I haven't seen the anti-glare in person | 08:10 |
| l7 | hrm | 08:10 |
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| l7 | what brightness setting do you usually use? | 08:10 |
| oil_ | Prez: http://oil.iki.fi/Travel/2001/Nicaragua/Ometepe/Image75.html ;) Actually nice country and very beatiful scenary.. but the rice and beans suck after a week ;) | 08:10 |
| astro76 | l7, usually the top 2/3 of the range | 08:11 |
| astro76 | max mostly ;) | 08:11 |
| l7 | ah | 08:11 |
| l7 | hrm, maybe i'll start with the crystal | 08:11 |
| l7 | it does claim that the anti-glare improve handwriting recognition | 08:11 |
| l7 | perhaps it makes the screen more paperlike | 08:12 |
| Prez | oil_: wow, funny, u've been here... i agree if all u eat are rice and beans, u go nuts | 08:12 |
| l7 | astro76: is the crystal easy to remove and reapply? | 08:12 |
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| astro76 | it seemed to me that the crystal even improved finger touch operation | 08:12 |
| astro76 | l7, very, you can wash it | 08:12 |
| l7 | hmm, i guess it makes more sense to start with the crystal then and see if glare is troublesome :) | 08:13 |
| oil_ | Prez: yes. while backpacking the money is quite limites .. and therefore need to eat as cheap as possible :) | 08:13 |
| Prez | oil_: haha... | 08:13 |
| astro76 | l7, what do you have on now? | 08:14 |
| Prez | oil_: whre u from, finland? | 08:14 |
| l7 | astro76: nothing, the n800 is in the mail :) | 08:14 |
| astro76 | l7, ah :D | 08:14 |
| l7 | does the n800 come with some sort of screen protector? | 08:14 |
| oil_ | Prez: originally yes. now living between singapore and thailand. | 08:14 |
| l7 | i saw from the unbox that there is a shiny bit of plastic with a tab on it | 08:14 |
| l7 | not sure if that is the "screen protector" | 08:15 |
| astro76 | l7, it does, you can use it with it on... won't last too long though I'd imagine | 08:15 |
| Prez | oil_: wow, yep, just read ur bio... working no N series stuff? | 08:15 |
| l7 | hrm | 08:15 |
| l7 | any idea where to get a voucher code for boxwave? | 08:15 |
| l7 | i'm wondering if i should order direct or use amazon for more protection | 08:16 |
| astro76 | l7, I've ordered direct twice, very fast service | 08:16 |
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| oil_ | Prez: kind of a mixture. normally voip etc. but n800 is a great proof-of-concept device.. as it's possible to shell scripting to it :) | 08:16 |
| l7 | astro76: how long did it take to ship / arrive? | 08:17 |
| Prez | oil_: cool... is it2008 shipping early december for n800? | 08:18 |
| astro76 | l7, last order shipped on 11/1, arrived on 11/3 ;) | 08:18 |
| oil_ | Prez: sorry, I don't know. :) | 08:18 |
| l7 | astro76: with the $2.50 shipping option? | 08:18 |
| astro76 | l7, yes | 08:19 |
| mbuf | "darcs failed: Failed to download URL http://scratchbox.org/repos/1.0/sb-toolchain-extras/_darcs/inventory" how can it be resolved? | 08:20 |
| oil_ | Prez: I'm not directly working with it. just using it as a user. | 08:20 |
| Prez | oil_: got it... | 08:20 |
| mbuf | how do i find out which version of scratchbox i am using? | 08:22 |
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| pupnik_ | N810: WHEN? | 08:29 |
| pupnik_ | When N810? | 08:29 |
| pupnik_ | When is then? | 08:29 |
| pupnik_ | When? | 08:30 |
| Prez | pupnik_: what u got now, n800? | 08:30 |
| pupnik_ | 770 | 08:31 |
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| Segnale007 | hi there | 08:32 |
| _Monkey | niihau, Segnale007 | 08:32 |
| Segnale007 | how is it going ? | 08:32 |
| K`zan | Finally seem to have gotten ubuntu streightend out! | 08:32 |
| pupnik_ | you fdisked it? | 08:33 |
| Segnale007 | so .. I wanna get a n800 .. but i need to know somenthing about it | 08:33 |
| Segnale007 | I have few questions about | 08:33 |
| * Prez is waiting for new ThinkPad X61 to get ubuntu straightened out... | 08:33 | |
| K`zan | Great device, get one :-). Buy com bas them for $199 :) | 08:33 |
| Segnale007 | fluxbox or xfce running on it ? | 08:34 |
| Segnale007 | I need a sip client | 08:34 |
| Segnale007 | on fbsd i use xlite | 08:34 |
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| K`zan | Not sure what the wm is on it, but there are several SIP clients. | 08:34 |
| Segnale007 | exist a sip client for it ? | 08:34 |
| Segnale007 | sorry my lang so poor and bad | 08:34 |
| K`zan | Gizmo, Twinkle, Skype. | 08:34 |
| K`zan | That I know of :-). | 08:35 |
| Segnale007 | uhm .. | 08:35 |
| K`zan | Segnale007: You are doing better in mine than I would in yours :-)! | 08:35 |
| Segnale007 | but I need to configure the sip client with my provider voip | 08:35 |
| K`zan | I have had mine about a week now, love it more by the day. | 08:35 |
| Segnale007 | just freecall and justvoip | 08:35 |
| Prez | K`zan: u got n800 or n810? | 08:35 |
| K`zan | Look up Twinkle and Gizmo | 08:35 |
| Segnale007 | ok man .. ty | 08:36 |
| K`zan | n800, I want my own choice of keyboard and GPS. | 08:36 |
| K`zan | I rather like Twinkle. | 08:36 |
| Segnale007 | ;) | 08:36 |
| K`zan | Gizmo seems flakey to some degree, but it does work. | 08:36 |
| Segnale007 | I try it .. | 08:36 |
| hugol1 | Gizmo is not open source btw | 08:36 |
| K`zan | Oops, Twinkle doesn't run on the n800... | 08:36 |
| Segnale007 | uhm | 08:36 |
| K`zan | Yes, but... | 08:36 |
| _Monkey | i think but is the charging status same as being connected to the cord? | 08:36 |
| Segnale007 | and than..gizmo ? | 08:37 |
| K`zan | There is a SIP client built in I think?!? | 08:37 |
| K`zan | Now that I think about it... | 08:37 |
| Segnale007 | I don't know | 08:37 |
| K`zan | Yes, major strike against Gizmo. | 08:37 |
| Segnale007 | I need to configure it with freecall | 08:37 |
| Segnale007 | ok man | 08:37 |
| Segnale007 | ty | 08:37 |
| K`zan | Glad to help, but as noted, I have had mine about a week now :-) so I am relatively clueless in this group. | 08:38 |
| hugol1 | Segnale007: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 08:39 |
| Segnale007 | you ok man | 08:39 |
| oil_ | there are several sip voip providers in the world. good to be able to use the services with maemo as well | 08:39 |
| Segnale007 | ty so much | 08:39 |
| Segnale007 | so good :) | 08:40 |
| K`zan | I just wish I could figure out the audio on my roomies deb box to get it where she can talk and hear with twinkle, other than that it works fine :-). Another project to the list :). | 08:41 |
| Segnale007 | beautiful .. look perfect fo my .. | 08:41 |
| hugol1 | Segnale007: it seems like sip is suported directly by the n800 mesaging system with that update | 08:41 |
| Segnale007 | yah .. | 08:41 |
| Segnale007 | just today I going to get it .. | 08:43 |
| hugol1 | haha, Segnale007 I got mine 3 days ago and its great | 08:43 |
| Segnale007 | I'm sure about :) | 08:43 |
| Segnale007 | after .. I wanna try a port arm of NetBSD | 08:43 |
| Segnale007 | hope it working good | 08:44 |
| K`zan | Snarfing that update now, thanks! | 08:44 |
| Segnale007 | I juste love bsd sistemy | 08:44 |
| Segnale007 | personally .. I love freebsd | 08:45 |
| Segnale007 | :P | 08:45 |
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| K`zan | Several things it won;t run, other wise I'd be running bsd in some form :) | 08:46 |
| Segnale007 | uhm .. | 08:46 |
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| rubiks | http://youtube.com/watch?v=6hKWM5Z1zds | 08:56 |
| rubiks | very funny | 08:57 |
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| pupnik_ | too real | 08:58 |
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| rene4jaz3 | hi, I can not setup graphical output on my arm target :( | 08:59 |
| rene4jaz3 | I'm using the Xvnc/vncviewer way | 08:59 |
| pupnik | export DISPLAY variable? | 09:02 |
| db48x | rene4jaz3: it'll probably be much easier to just run another xserver outside of scratchbox | 09:02 |
| rene4jaz3 | 127.0.0.0:1 | 09:02 |
| db48x | that ip address is wrong | 09:03 |
| db48x | you can just leave it out | 09:03 |
| pupnik | ahaha | 09:03 |
| db48x | DISPLAY=:1 | 09:03 |
| rene4jaz3 | I use Xephyr on my host_pc target and works fine, but not for my arm target | 09:03 |
| kulve | 127.0.0.0 vs. 127.0.0.1 | 09:04 |
| db48x | run Xepher from outside of scratchbox | 09:04 |
| db48x | there's no need for it to be inside | 09:04 |
| db48x | is your scratchbox set up inside of a virtual machine? | 09:05 |
| K`zan | hugol1: Is that SIP update good to go, big beta note there made me wonder. | 09:08 |
| rene4jaz3 | db48x: my scracthbox is not inside a VM | 09:09 |
| db48x | ok | 09:09 |
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| rene4jaz3 | I run Xephyr from outside scractchbox | 09:10 |
| db48x | I run Xephyr not just outside of scratchbox, but also outside of the vm it's in | 09:10 |
| db48x | rene4jaz3: ok. it just sounded like you weren't. I'd bet it was just your DISPLAY variable then | 09:10 |
| db48x | bbl | 09:11 |
| rene4jaz3 | is was working well with my host_pc target, the problem came when I switched to arm target | 09:12 |
| rene4jaz3 | I tried with the 127.0.0.1:1 value (Since the first time, I mis write the number on the chat) | 09:13 |
| rene4jaz3 | db48x: do you use Xephyr or Xvnc way? | 09:13 |
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| cookie | hello | 09:26 |
| K`zan | Night folks! | 09:26 |
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| cookie | u from usa? | 09:28 |
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| rene4jaz3 | can any one show me how he/she setups the graphical output form arm targets? | 09:31 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rBidCkJxo Here is howto | 09:31 |
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| Prez | pupnik: niiiiiiiiiiiiiice | 09:38 |
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| pupnik | that is going on my 770 | 09:39 |
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| cookie | pupnik: hey | 09:47 |
| timelyx | quick question | 09:52 |
| timelyx | what's nokia's primary business activity? :) | 09:52 |
| timelyx | Information Technology Related | 09:52 |
| timelyx | Telecommunications | 09:52 |
| timelyx | :) | 09:52 |
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| ab | × ÄÕÈÅ ðÒÁÞÅÔÔÁ: ðÏÞÅÍÕ ÐÒÅÚÉÄÅÎÔÏ× òÏÓÓÉÉ ÎÅ ÚÏ×ÕÔ éÇÏÒØ? | 09:56 |
| timelyx | English | 09:56 |
| ab | timelyx: yep, wrong channel window | 09:57 |
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| pupnik | i want Nokia to do an advertisement on the N810 that emphasizes the freedom ... to do internet wherever you want | 10:01 |
| pupnik | and use this song! | 10:01 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT-IOkVP4B4 - Ween - Freedom of 76 | 10:01 |
| cookie | I still don't lke the n800 | 10:02 |
| cookie | I mean...the aspect...the design | 10:02 |
| cookie | I like the 770 more than all 3 of them | 10:02 |
| l7 | timelyx: making tons of money selling internet tablets :) | 10:03 |
| cookie | you? | 10:03 |
| cookie | l7: You sell tem | 10:03 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970sm4.png cookie | 10:03 |
| cookie | them* | 10:03 |
| timelyx | cookie: English here depresses me | 10:04 |
| l7 | cookie: er no.. | 10:04 |
| timelyx | albeit less than any other language | 10:04 |
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| l7 | 22:22 < timelyx> what's nokia's primary business activity? :) -> l7> timelyx: making tons of money selling internet tablets :) | 10:04 |
| timelyx | you could say that you like the 770 the best of all 3 | 10:04 |
| cookie | pupnik: that is what you would like it to look like? | 10:04 |
| l7 | i was kidding | 10:04 |
| pupnik | cookie: just one idea :) yeah | 10:04 |
| timelyx | l7: i liked that response. but i don't think they had a fill in the blank entry | 10:05 |
| cookie | pupnik: I think(NO DUH) that the best one is the n810 | 10:05 |
| timelyx | pupnik: is that photoshop? | 10:05 |
| l7 | timelyx: were you looking at some kind of quiz? | 10:05 |
| cookie | but I still like the 770 | 10:05 |
| pupnik | gimp | 10:05 |
| timelyx | l7: survey | 10:05 |
| cookie | It's 1337 | 10:05 |
| l7 | what is the url? | 10:05 |
| cookie | and the n810 is too fancy | 10:05 |
| timelyx | um | 10:05 |
| timelyx | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2222015,00.asp | 10:06 |
| timelyx | but it's random | 10:06 |
| timelyx | you might not get it | 10:06 |
| l7 | oh ok | 10:06 |
| timelyx | (actually odds are pretty much against you getting it) | 10:06 |
| l7 | yup, no quiz | 10:06 |
| Prez | laterz, bedtime.. | 10:07 |
| l7 | 2 random stories about nokia though | 10:07 |
| pupnik | cu Prez | 10:07 |
| l7 | that does remind me i should shop for cybermonday deals | 10:07 |
| l7 | i doubt there are many deals for n800 cases or screen guards | 10:07 |
| l7 | maybe for sd cards | 10:07 |
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| timelyx | i need someone to find me free shipping on books | 10:08 |
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| timelyx | and then i should just order lots of books leveraging the weak dollar :) | 10:08 |
| l7 | lol | 10:10 |
| timelyx | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501548.html | 10:10 |
| l7 | timelyx: do you live outside the US? | 10:10 |
| timelyx | yes... | 10:10 |
| timelyx | i earn eur but would rather consumer usd | 10:11 |
| l7 | i've been wondering about why it's been so hard for people to get n800 gear shipped outside the US | 10:11 |
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| timelyx | since everything is overpriced in eur | 10:11 |
| l7 | haha | 10:11 |
| timelyx | hrm... overvalued too | 10:11 |
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| timelyx | i mean, why would i want a microwave that doesn't have a popcorn button | 10:11 |
| timelyx | it doesn't even have numbers... | 10:11 |
| timelyx | but it's still expensive | 10:11 |
| timelyx | gah... | 10:11 |
| l7 | it'll be a huge bargain while sellers continue to sell this cheap | 10:11 |
| l7 | i think they will have to mark up their prices in dollars eventually though | 10:12 |
| timelyx | can't afford to | 10:12 |
| timelyx | anyone dumb enough to do so abandons the market | 10:12 |
| timelyx | american consumers can't afford the inflation | 10:12 |
| l7 | true.. | 10:12 |
| timelyx | and would either by from a competitor or another market | 10:12 |
| l7 | i wish i could earn euros now though :) | 10:13 |
| timelyx | (instead of a phone, they buy a game) | 10:13 |
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| l7 | i guess that means they'll have to hold their dollars and hope for a rebound | 10:13 |
| l7 | or just take the losses | 10:13 |
| timelyx | pretty much | 10:13 |
| timelyx | probably they'd try to hold dollars or pay for services w/ dollars they've received | 10:14 |
| l7 | maybe that's one of the reasons it's hard to get certain products mail ordered to the EU? | 10:14 |
| timelyx | avoiding any usd=>* conversions | 10:14 |
| timelyx | if you mean it devices... | 10:14 |
| timelyx | since the original vendor wants you to buy it in the eu | 10:14 |
| timelyx | and pay the eu price... | 10:14 |
| timelyx | but basically most us stores don't have any interest in selling overseas | 10:15 |
| timelyx | why would they? | 10:15 |
| timelyx | you're a complicated expensive customer | 10:15 |
| l7 | yeah, the n800 was about $200 this weekend... | 10:15 |
| timelyx | and they have more than enough local customers | 10:15 |
| l7 | like 130-140 euros i guess | 10:15 |
| timelyx | for whom they need to compete | 10:15 |
| timelyx | 200 U.S. dollars = 135.6392 Euros | 10:15 |
| timelyx | you're probably best off finding a friend in the states and offering to pay for shipping | 10:16 |
| l7 | hmm | 10:16 |
| l7 | well i am in the states :) | 10:16 |
| timelyx | be someone's friend? :) | 10:16 |
| l7 | which i why i wish i could earn euros :) | 10:16 |
| timelyx | yeah yeah | 10:16 |
| l7 | sure, why not? :) | 10:16 |
| timelyx | but heck, even cad's are useful today | 10:16 |
| hugol1 | |7 I earn euros | 10:16 |
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| hugol1 | the problem is I have to pay euros as well | 10:17 |
| timelyx | hugol1: not true :) | 10:17 |
| l7 | yeah, higher wages = higher prices | 10:17 |
| l7 | well, mostly | 10:17 |
| hugol1 | timelyx: not true what? | 10:17 |
| timelyx | l7 will gladly spend your eur as usd and ship it back for you :) | 10:17 |
| l7 | lol | 10:17 |
| l7 | i have 0 eur | 10:17 |
| hugol1 | timelyx: sure, Ill keep that in mind | 10:17 |
| timelyx | l7: you wouldn't get eur either way | 10:18 |
| timelyx | just temporary usd | 10:18 |
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| hugol1 | the only good thing about the euro so strong is now we can travel. | 10:19 |
| timelyx | um | 10:19 |
| timelyx | don't travel to europe :) | 10:19 |
| timelyx | you can travel to the states | 10:19 |
| l7 | wow the CAD is beating the USD even | 10:19 |
| timelyx | l7: has been for over a month | 10:20 |
| timelyx | (it changed while i was vacationing in central europe) | 10:20 |
| l7 | yeah, this kind of sucks, since i've been wanting to travel | 10:20 |
| timelyx | l7: you have 50 states | 10:20 |
| timelyx | pick 2 | 10:20 |
| l7 | bleh | 10:20 |
| l7 | i'm tired of the states | 10:20 |
| l7 | i want to see the world! | 10:20 |
| timelyx | bad timing =( | 10:20 |
| czr | go to venezuela ;-) | 10:20 |
| l7 | and make money with spending power | 10:20 |
| czr | timeless, I updated 2376 | 10:21 |
| * timelyx really should just watch czr | 10:21 | |
| l7 | i guess it is a good time to buy stuff here | 10:21 |
| czr | heh. I added some bugs yesterday! yes yes, it was me, I'm the one who keeps on introducing bugs into the SDK :-) | 10:21 |
| hugol1 | czr: at least in Venezuela you have free healt | 10:21 |
| hugol1 | *health | 10:21 |
| l7 | heh | 10:22 |
| czr | hugol1, my health is pretty free as it is :-) | 10:22 |
| czr | but yeah, true :-) | 10:22 |
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| timelyx | czr: your health is free until you need services | 10:22 |
| hugol1 | if you have an illness you better be at Venezuela than at the US (unless you are very very reach) | 10:22 |
| timelyx | then you get a 6mo wait :) | 10:22 |
| l7 | well if the venezulean currency goes down, it'll be cheaper to travel there | 10:22 |
| hugol1 | *rich | 10:22 |
| l7 | or less expensive i guess | 10:22 |
| czr | timelyx, depends, but yeah. that wasn't what I meant though :-) | 10:23 |
| timelyx | i know | 10:23 |
| czr | I know you do | 10:23 |
| l7 | hugol1: are you in venezuela now? | 10:23 |
| hugol1 | no | 10:23 |
| timelyx | but it bothers me when nordics proclaim the wonders of their health system | 10:23 |
| timelyx | which is at least as broken as the us system | 10:23 |
| czr | timelyx, it used to work much better here. still does in norway, so I hear. | 10:23 |
| l7 | how so? | 10:23 |
| l7 | i've heard the canadian health care system works well | 10:24 |
| timelyx | l7: the cost per visit may be fixed theoretically | 10:24 |
| timelyx | but if the number of visits climb | 10:24 |
| timelyx | total costs must rise | 10:24 |
| timelyx | so how do you deal w/ that? | 10:24 |
| timelyx | either cut quality or visits | 10:24 |
| l7 | hmm | 10:24 |
| timelyx | visits are cut by increasing wait | 10:24 |
| hugol1 | |7 I think the canadian health system only sounds good because is near US and is the one it gets compared too | 10:24 |
| timelyx | and well,... they also cut quality | 10:24 |
| hugol1 | compare it to some european health system and will see | 10:25 |
| l7 | hmm, you mean if the total number of visits climb -> costs must rise or quality must go down? | 10:25 |
| timelyx | as an American, i believe the reason the Canadian system works is that when there are problems Canadians go to the states | 10:25 |
| timelyx | l7: or someone must enforce limits on visits | 10:25 |
| timelyx | but yes | 10:25 |
| czr | don't they have private health stuff in canada? | 10:25 |
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| hugol1 | timelyx: XD | 10:26 |
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| l7 | timelyx: hmm, interesting theory | 10:26 |
| timelyx | l7: forget theory | 10:26 |
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| hugol1 | timelyx: it wasnt a joke? | 10:26 |
| dougb | is there an alternative way to download maps for the OS2008 app? | 10:26 |
| timelyx | it's basic economics and there are decades of evidence | 10:26 |
| l7 | americans do spend more money per capita on healthcare though i think | 10:26 |
| timelyx | dougb: find a friend w/ them | 10:26 |
| timelyx | and copy | 10:26 |
| l7 | pupnik: er, how did you get that? | 10:26 |
| timelyx | dougb: i'm not sure there are any legal ways | 10:27 |
| timelyx | the map data is presumably (c) someone | 10:27 |
| pupnik | it was lying around a laboratory i moved into | 10:27 |
| ab | dougb: wayfinder.com | 10:27 |
| ab | dougb: they are supplier of mapping technology in n810 | 10:28 |
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| hugol1 | timelyx: what if you download the maps just for personal use, is that ilegal as well? | 10:28 |
| timelyx | this isn't software | 10:28 |
| timelyx | it's maps | 10:28 |
| czr | timeless, it's copyright A+accent wayfinder | 10:28 |
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| timelyx | czr: no, that's the software | 10:29 |
| czr | oh | 10:29 |
| czr | hmm. the map data might be even worse then ;-) | 10:29 |
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| timelyx | the maps were copyright A+accent someone else :) | 10:29 |
| czr | Tele Atlas N.V. | 10:29 |
| czr | but that might depend on the map as well | 10:30 |
| czr | this one covers scandinavia, so /me shrugs. | 10:30 |
| timelyx | the about screen only listed one | 10:30 |
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| timelyx | (having read the mo flfe...) | 10:30 |
| czr | I only have one map installed.. | 10:30 |
| czr | ah | 10:30 |
| timelyx | blah | 10:30 |
| timelyx | it was hard coded | 10:30 |
| timelyx | wait | 10:30 |
| * timelyx thinks it was | 10:30 | |
| czr | who cares :-) | 10:30 |
| timelyx | i think actually it was flexibly coded | 10:31 |
| timelyx | but there was only one set of answers | 10:31 |
| timelyx | so it was both soft and hard coded :) | 10:31 |
| czr | "just to make sure it doesn't change ever again"-coded. | 10:31 |
| timelyx | um | 10:32 |
| timelyx | czr, load http://wayfinder.com/?id=5436&lang=en-UK | 10:32 |
| timelyx | what button icons do you see on the "device"? | 10:32 |
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| czr | a lot of circly things. the image is really small | 10:33 |
| timelyx | i mean hardware buttons | 10:33 |
| timelyx | i'm trying to decide if that's a real device or an unreal one | 10:33 |
| czr | it has the two funny ones only | 10:33 |
| czr | but why would you want to use a keyboard when using the route map thingy anyway? | 10:34 |
| czr | the picture clearly emulates driving on a freeway :-) | 10:34 |
| timelyx | ever try entering an address? | 10:34 |
| timelyx | or did i neglect to demo that? | 10:34 |
| czr | while driving on a freeway? | 10:34 |
| czr | ah, no :-) | 10:34 |
| timelyx | well, if you read the manual, you wouldn't | 10:34 |
| timelyx | otoh, if you try doing it, you'd soon learn why not :) | 10:35 |
| czr | heh | 10:35 |
| * czr runs away | 10:35 | |
| timelyx | which reminds me, i need to make space for filing bugs on maps | 10:35 |
| timelyx | i'll make sure that's available by close of business today | 10:35 |
| timelyx | opinions welcome | 10:35 |
| timelyx | if you <#maemo> were to file a bug in Map, where would you look to file it? | 10:35 |
| czr | I'll be busy doing the last chapters today | 10:35 |
| czr | timeless, SDK of course. | 10:36 |
| timelyx | and if you were someone other than czr, what kinds of bugs would you file? | 10:36 |
| timelyx | =b | 10:36 |
| czr | heh | 10:36 |
| czr | I'd probably file smt along the lines of "the map application looks butt-ugly" | 10:37 |
| czr | but since I'm czr, I'm not going to do that | 10:37 |
| czr | besides, I'm running an old image. "I'm sure the new one is much better". | 10:37 |
| czr | timelyx, bug 95 | 10:38 |
| _Monkey | Bug 95 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95 | 10:38 |
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| czr | that actually was my 13th maemo bug | 10:38 |
| timelyx | optimist! | 10:39 |
| czr | read the comments :-) | 10:39 |
| timelyx | > "I'm sure the new one is much better". | 10:40 |
| czr | ah. I used the ironic quotes! | 10:40 |
| timelyx | is that like the fancy >'; quotes i mentioned? :) | 10:41 |
| czr | heh | 10:41 |
| czr | kind of. but the only way to tell them apart from normal quotes is the way I type them | 10:41 |
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| timelyx | `hey | 10:42 |
| timelyx | can i thumbs down old articles? | 10:42 |
| czr | I have no idea | 10:43 |
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| timelyx | seems to work :) | 10:45 |
| pupnik | hah cool! flash 9 on opera on It2006 | 10:46 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99995#post99995 flash 9 in opera on it2006 | 10:51 |
| pupnik | flash9? | 10:51 |
| _Monkey | flash9 is much bigger than (6MB vs 2MB flash7) so it will unlikely do anything good for the 770 browsing experience | 10:51 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: forget flash9 | 10:52 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot flash9 | 10:52 |
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| Mmm810 | Ne1 know how to edit the things on the app menu nokia 810. Some things i want to remove | 10:52 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: flash9 is available via new microb browser - plugin also appears to work fine in opera browser on it2006 - instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99995 | 10:53 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 10:53 |
| pupnik | now we just need a mplayer flash video player plugin for opera | 10:56 |
| pupnik | and it2006 on 770 suddenly competes with OS2008 :) | 10:56 |
| [pablo] | Mmm810: under panel on control panel click organize | 10:58 |
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| Mmm810 | Thx yeh but alas cant delete there and i have orphaned icon for something i uninstalled so was poking around as root for where to mod it | 11:00 |
| pupnik | there might be a .desktop file left lying around | 11:04 |
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| pupnik | /usr/share/applications/hildon | 11:05 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:09 |
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| Mmm810 | Oh thx ill check those | 11:23 |
| timelyx | pupnik: not true | 11:24 |
| timelyx | flash9 came before microb was released | 11:24 |
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| pupnik | ok fix to accuracy then | 11:25 |
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| timelyx | left as an exercise :) | 11:28 |
| timelyx | 4.2007.26-8 introduced flash9 | 11:29 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:45 |
| pupnik | ohayo! | 11:48 |
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| felipec | huomenta | 12:08 |
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| Mikho | does anybody know how could I check whether a GObject* is a GtkWidget*? | 12:22 |
| _berto_ | GTK_IS_WIDGET(obj) | 12:22 |
| _|Nix|_ | GTK_IS_WIDGET(the_object) | 12:22 |
| _berto_ | mine is less code :P | 12:22 |
| Mikho | I've been scanning the Gtk documentation for a macro like that but haven't found it yet | 12:23 |
| Mikho | but this will do, thanks | 12:23 |
| timeless | inz: ping | 12:23 |
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| _berto_ | Mikho: there are similar macros for all other objects | 12:25 |
| _berto_ | GTK_IS_BUTTON | 12:25 |
| _berto_ | etc. | 12:25 |
| timeless | what happens if there are two objects by the same name? :) | 12:25 |
| _berto_ | I don't understand your question | 12:26 |
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| timeless | what if library "foopy" pulled in randomly and library "barpy" also pulled in randomly both want to have objects name ZAP | 12:27 |
| timeless | which leaves you wondering what GTK_IS_ZAP would do :) | 12:27 |
| timeless | (different ZAP objects of course... no fun if they're the same) | 12:27 |
| _berto_ | and what if you have two functions called init_connection() in two different modules? | 12:28 |
| _berto_ | it's the same problem | 12:28 |
| _berto_ | there's only one namespace | 12:28 |
| timeless | not precisely true :) | 12:28 |
| timeless | dlopen and friends mean i can sorta deal w/ that | 12:28 |
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| timeless | well, ideally | 12:28 |
| timeless | not sure how well it works in practice :) | 12:29 |
| timeless | heh, poor jake | 12:30 |
| timeless | he pulled in a public bug that was already reported internally :) | 12:30 |
| felipec | timeless: well, you have -I flags so you can deal with that too | 12:31 |
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| zuh | timeless: GTK_IS_ZAP is a macro so that would not be a problem. The problem is if both want to register the exactly same type, which would fail for the last one trying. | 12:35 |
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| zuh | hmm, I don't see any mention about what the g_type_register_* family returns on errors... | 12:38 |
| maddler | morning all | 12:38 |
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| rothiel | Hi guys :) | 12:40 |
| zuh | ok, they return 0. Which is an invalid type, which should make any checks fail gracefully. So I would guess it just won't be able to instantiate the object (and likely segfault since who checks for nulls for every widget creation anyway ;). | 12:42 |
| Spakman_ | does anyone know if there's a changelog for the new OS2008 firmware? | 12:42 |
| Spakman_ | (since the previous OS2008 version, I mean) | 12:42 |
| timeless | spakman: typically there aren't useful ones :) | 12:44 |
| timeless | i just grabbed the source drop an hour ago | 12:44 |
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| timeless | give me a bit and i'll try to figure it out | 12:44 |
| Segnale007 | hi there | 12:44 |
| Spakman_ | timeless: cool - thanks :) | 12:46 |
| timeless | strange | 12:47 |
| timeless | a quick scan, assuming i got everything right | 12:48 |
| timeless | shows that no package versions changed | 12:48 |
| timeless | (not impossible, but strange) | 12:48 |
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| timeless | i'm diffing changelogs, this isn't promising | 12:51 |
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| Minti | does anyone know how to capture "force-list-kludge" signal for GtkTreeView? | 12:53 |
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| Mikho | would somebody know if I can put a GtkButton in a column in GtkListStore? | 12:54 |
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| timeless | sorry, i can't find any deltas | 13:06 |
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| inz | timeless, pong | 13:12 |
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| inz | timeless, GTK_IS_ZAP would be a macro and would cause compile time problems if used in separate places | 13:14 |
| inz | timeless, should the two classes use similarily named "type getter"-functions, it might be a problem | 13:14 |
| inz | timeless, and if they try to register same class name (in g_type_register_*), glib will moan | 13:15 |
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| czr | hmm. are there devhelp packages for the maemo 4.0 versions of the libraries anywhere? | 13:16 |
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| truls | how does the hildon file-manager know which applicatinos to launch for which files? | 13:18 |
| truls | any command-line launcher available that does the same? | 13:18 |
| inz | truls, it most likely uses osso_mime_open_file() from libossomime0 | 13:22 |
| inz | truls, no idea of a cmdline version, would be trivial to implement though | 13:22 |
| truls | ah, sounds accessible from python | 13:22 |
| truls | yes, it is :) | 13:23 |
| truls | fabulous | 13:23 |
| * truls hates help not being defined in python on maemo | 13:24 | |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi | 13:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | I'm trying to compile a open source program ... but it s require python2.3 >= (this version is in the sdk) with --shared-library | 13:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | compile option | 13:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | does i need to recompile all python ? | 13:26 |
| jumpula | maemo's python is not compiled with that option? | 13:28 |
| jumpula | the python 2.3 is a host (native) tool provided by scratchbox | 13:28 |
| jumpula | use /usr/bin/python2.5 (maemo's case) or SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python | 13:29 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hum ... i ll try to install pymaemo on the sdk so :) i only have python2.3 on my sdk | 13:30 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hum no listed on apt-cache ... maybe i need to add some repos | 13:31 |
| truls | hm, almost a oneliner: python -c "import sys, osso; osso.mime.Mime(None).open_file(sys.argv[1])" "file:///home/user/MyDocs/New memo.png" | 13:31 |
| truls | inz: thanks | 13:32 |
| jumpula | the package name should be python2.5 | 13:32 |
| jumpula | python2.4 then | 13:32 |
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| jumpula | if 2.5 is not available in repository.maemo.org | 13:33 |
| jumpula | repository.maemo.org chinook/free has 2.5.1-1osso3 | 13:34 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | extra bora repos wasn't in my source.list | 13:36 |
| jumpula | ah, you're developing for bora | 13:37 |
| jumpula | pymaemo.garage.maemo.org | 13:37 |
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| truls | hm, the mime_open_file thing didn't really work that well... | 13:39 |
| truls | ack | 13:39 |
| |tbb| | hi all, got a problem with maemomapper, maybe someone knows whats the problem. if i load up a route and then going to manage maps say download detail 3, it begans with download but anytime it stops after 10-15 percent of the loadingbar. Dont know whats wrong | 13:39 |
| Khertan_TheReal | jumpula> yes i m developping for bora at this time ... i m still downloading the last vmware image for chinook :) | 13:43 |
| inz | truls, maybe you need to open a dbus connection first or something | 13:46 |
| inz | truls, I don't know python nor the bindings, so I wouldn't know fer sure, but the C version takes a D-Bus connection | 13:46 |
| truls | inz: it also requires being initialized with a osso context? | 13:47 |
| truls | the thing is that it mostly works, it just opens the wrong file... | 13:47 |
| Khertan_TheReal | jumpula > i still have the same message about python and the compile option --shared-library ... :( | 13:48 |
| jumpula | you tried python2.4 or python2.5? | 13:49 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve installed version 2.5 from pymaemo and change the symlink /usr/bin/python | 13:49 |
| jumpula | that doesn't help because /usr/bin/python is redirected to host | 13:49 |
| pupnik | might as well be BASIC | 13:49 |
| jumpula | either use /usr/bin/python2.5 | 13:50 |
| jumpula | or tell sbox to ignore redirect rules with /usr/bin/python | 13:50 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | "<jumpula> or tell sbox to ignore redirect rules with /usr/bin/python" how i do that ? | 13:51 |
| jumpula | SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python | 13:52 |
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| jumpula | note, that after that you have to explicitly execute /usr/bin/python | 13:53 |
| jumpula | is you use just plain python, it gets redirected | 13:53 |
| jumpula | is suppose you can force python for configure | 13:53 |
| jumpula | ie. | 13:53 |
| jumpula | export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python | 13:54 |
| jumpula | cd yourpackage-version | 13:54 |
| jumpula | ./configure PYTHON=/usr/bin/python && make && make install | 13:54 |
| jumpula | but again, you're much better off if you just say PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.5 for configure | 13:54 |
| jumpula | there's no python2.5 on the host-side | 13:55 |
| jumpula | it never gets redirected | 13:55 |
| jumpula | and you don't have to specify any funky environment variables in package building | 13:55 |
| Khertan_TheReal | if i ask it because when i set python path in configure i still get the same error :) | 13:56 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so 2 options : | 13:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | -doesn't care of python path | 13:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | python (pymaemo) 2.5 isn't compile with --shared-library | 13:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and the third ... i'm too stupid :) | 13:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and i make a dumb error | 13:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ll go to eat ... :) | 13:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | see u in 1 hours :) | 13:58 |
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| timeless | inz: hey, do you watch the x terminal component in bugs.maemo.org? | 14:04 |
| * czr is slowly falling into a slurry of despair | 14:05 | |
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| czr | I wonder whether they have political asylums in the bahamas | 14:06 |
| xand | hmm, if I have my 770 in host mode, and connected to a usb hub by a 3-way cable, will it charge from that or does it need the power cable too? | 14:06 |
| lardman | anyone familiar with select(FD_SETSIZE, ...? | 14:06 |
| czr | lardman, sure | 14:07 |
| czr | there's a tutorial manual page for it too :-) select_tut or something like that | 14:07 |
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| lardman | yeah, I'm getting a segfault in a piece of code and was wondering if anyone knows of a working example for me to compare against | 14:07 |
| czr | read and understand select_tut | 14:08 |
| czr | FD_SETSIZE looks wrong | 14:08 |
| lardman | right, will have a read | 14:08 |
| czr | the first parm is the max fd number that you want the kernel to track | 14:08 |
| czr | not the size of the array that you pass | 14:09 |
| lardman | here's the code anyway: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/temp/minimad.c | 14:09 |
| czr | s/array/whatever the set is/ | 14:09 |
| infobot | czr meant: not the size of the whatever the set is that you pass | 14:09 |
| lardman | iirc the segfault is with the line: "FD_ZERO(&fdset_w);" | 14:10 |
| lardman | I must look at the macros | 14:10 |
| czr | try separating the two sets: | 14:11 |
| czr | fd_set fdset_r; | 14:11 |
| czr | fd_set dfset_w; | 14:11 |
| czr | fdset_w even | 14:11 |
| lardman | that shouldn't make any odds though...? | 14:11 |
| czr | humor me :-) | 14:12 |
| lardman | no worries, I will do, will have to be this evening though when I get home | 14:12 |
| czr | the first param to select in your case should be fd+1 | 14:12 |
| lardman | thanks for the idea though | 14:12 |
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| czr | lardman, the code also assumes that fd_sets can be copied with = | 14:16 |
| czr | but that should actually work in linux :-) | 14:16 |
| lardman | my first use of select, so I need to do some reading about it | 14:18 |
| lardman | or rather my first sight of someone else's use of select | 14:18 |
| lardman | I was also wondering whether the dsp task device file will behave in the right way for select to be used | 14:18 |
| czr | weird though. tell me how it goes | 14:19 |
| lardman | will do and thanks again | 14:19 |
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| lardman | on a completely different topic, what's the news on N810 availability? | 14:21 |
| * czr shrugs | 14:21 | |
| czr | as whether the dsp device supports the model, will depend on the device driver directly. good luck and tell me how it goes :-) | 14:21 |
| lardman | yeah, if I get the code looking like it should work, I'll take a look at the kernel code for the device. | 14:22 |
| truls | hm, trying to find a way to open the filemanager to a certain directory (preferably using a link on the maemo desktop)... any suggestions? | 14:22 |
| lardman | It might be easier to use a different model for the comms though, get the dsp to always signal what it wants (ie. to read or to write) then the arm-side could just block on a read and be done with it | 14:23 |
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| lardman | troof: dbus? | 14:23 |
| _Monkey | i heard dbus was awesome too. :) | 14:23 |
| lardman | troof: sorry, wrong person | 14:23 |
| lardman | truls: dbus? | 14:23 |
| _Monkey | dbus is probably awesome too. :) | 14:23 |
| truls | lardman: hm, probably.. *reads up* | 14:24 |
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| czr | lardman, actually the model that is in the program looks very unixy (good). | 14:25 |
| czr | and it is signalling now, via select :-) | 14:25 |
| czr | that's the Proper Way(tm). | 14:26 |
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| lardman | yes it would be best to use signalling so other things can be done | 14:26 |
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| Veggen | Pumich: (Another _Monkey gripe - if it *is* gonna reply spuriously, why do people have to add useless info like that?) | 14:30 |
| czr | lardman, just don't use signal() | 14:31 |
| Veggen | (eh, s/Pumich://) | 14:31 |
| czr | lardman, use I/O | 14:31 |
| czr | lardman, as you already have | 14:31 |
| lardman | Veggen: I thought it just picks things up? | 14:31 |
| Veggen | lardman: oh, it does. | 14:31 |
| Veggen | my bad. But I still hate it :) | 14:31 |
| lardman | czr: ah yes, I wasn't meaning the function call, just in general terms | 14:31 |
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| lardman | Veggen: me too | 14:32 |
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| lardman | Khertan_TheReal: the two types are of different sizes? | 14:40 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | nice split | 14:46 |
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| alterego | Banana? | 14:47 |
| _Monkey | Banana is something I'd like right now | 14:47 |
| czr | hey alterego | 14:48 |
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| pupnik | Khertan_TheReal: GemRb is not yet playable | 14:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lardman : it s seems to be the same type http://pastebin.com/d6bd22ce7* | 14:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lardman : it s seems to be the same type http://pastebin.com/d6bd22ce7 | 14:50 |
| alterego | czr, aloha | 14:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | pupnik > ah ... lol | 14:50 |
| pupnik | but but i'll check | 14:52 |
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| pupnik | Khertan_TheReal: problem is openal? | 14:53 |
| pupnik | ah no i see sorry - variables | 14:54 |
| Khertan_TheReal | pupnik > no openal is compiled :) | 14:59 |
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| pupnik | yes same error here - something about the poitner cast | 14:59 |
| lardman | Variables.cpp:81: warning: cast from `__POSITION*' to `Variables::MyAssoc*' increases required alignment of target type | 14:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ;) | 14:59 |
| pupnik | "EI WAS RUBBED BITUMEN!" \o\ /o/ \o/ _o_ | 14:59 |
| lardman | I'm not sure how it can increase the alignment, but perhaps it alters it | 15:00 |
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| bedboi | hi there... anyone knows if mplayer works on os2008? | 15:01 |
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| lardman | I understand there's an OS2008 version | 15:02 |
| pupnik | is xsp still in OS2008? | 15:02 |
| bedboi | any pointer? | 15:02 |
| lardman | on itt, don;t have the link to hand atm | 15:03 |
| |tbb| | hi all, got a problem with maemomapper, maybe someone knows whats the problem. if i load up a route and then going to manage maps say download detail 3, it begans with download but anytime it stops after 10-15 percent of the loadingbar. Dont know whats wrong | 15:04 |
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| pupnik | they say you need to have a lot of free space (2x map size?) |tbb| | 15:04 |
| Khertan_TheReal | |tbb| launch it in xterm ... u ll get more details | 15:05 |
| |tbb| | where the maps will be downloaded by default | 15:05 |
| bedboi | lardman: thank's i'll check myself and try | 15:05 |
| pupnik | GemRB project working on GUIScripts ( Development info ) | 15:06 |
| pupnik | posted by Saint_Proverbius on Sun 26 September 2004, 02:10:15 | 15:06 |
| pupnik | progress is slow Khertan_TheReal | 15:06 |
| pupnik | http://forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php?showforum=91 to contribute... | 15:07 |
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| bedboi | lardman|away: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/ | 15:07 |
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| Ub0nty | broken pages with os2008: http://www.schalke04.de/ http://www.gulli.com/ | 15:14 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:15 |
| _Monkey | privet, lopz | 15:15 |
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| Don^ | hello | 15:16 |
| _Monkey | hey, Don^ | 15:16 |
| Don^ | umm.. first time here. | 15:16 |
| Tak | hello | 15:16 |
| Don^ | and just because i think you guys might be my only help. seems that i bricked my n800 | 15:16 |
| Don^ | or ... well not completely bricked, but google found out that someone here had the same problem earlier. :D | 15:17 |
| pupnik | more info pls | 15:17 |
| Don^ | holdon | 15:17 |
| Don^ | anyway, after the battery died on me the other day the unit didn't boot. so i decided to reflash the thing. | 15:18 |
| Don^ | didn't really help. but now the symptoms are different | 15:18 |
| Don^ | everything goes okay, but using flasher i get "Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed! Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out" | 15:18 |
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| Tak | are you using flasher-3.0 ? | 15:19 |
| Don^ | this is after i try to manually supply the x-loader image. | 15:19 |
| Don^ | if i try the whole distribution bin i get "Version of 'sw-release': <no version> To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image" | 15:19 |
| Don^ | yes, i use flasher-3.0 | 15:19 |
| Tak | something's wrong | 15:19 |
| Don^ | indeed | 15:20 |
| Tak | you should just be able to use the FIASCO image | 15:20 |
| Tak | what's the name of the file you have? | 15:20 |
| Don^ | RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 15:21 |
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| Tak | hmm - does the md5sum check out? | 15:22 |
| Don^ | yes | 15:22 |
| Don^ | i can unpack the bin-file using flasher-3.0 | 15:22 |
| Don^ | so i guess the bin is ok | 15:23 |
| Don^ | just won't do anything to the bootloader and it seems that i can't fix it directly for some strange reason. | 15:23 |
| Tak | what command are you trying to flash the image? | 15:23 |
| Don^ | the whole thing or the loader only? | 15:24 |
| Don^ | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 15:24 |
| Don^ | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -x xloader.bin-RX-34\:1301\,1302\,1501\,1502\,1503\,1504\,1601\,1602 -f -R | 15:25 |
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| Don^ | knew it isn't simple ;) | 15:26 |
| Don^ | i've got to run into a meeting now. leaving this on screen, so if anyone has any suggestions what to try please let me know. i'll be reading the backlogs in 2hrs. | 15:27 |
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| Don^ | damn. would not like to buy a new unit. :( ... anyway it's going to be N810 in that case. | 15:28 |
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| pupnik | maybe customer support knows? | 15:30 |
| Don^ | this is pretty much the same situation my n800 is now in: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96431 ... | 15:30 |
| Don^ | hmm, maybe. I think i should call them. :) Usually there's no point since somebody somewhere knows how to get out of the situation. :D | 15:30 |
| Don^ | now to the meeting. | 15:31 |
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| * czr learns now the downside of having too many bugs open at the same time | 15:44 | |
| X-Fade_ | Psst: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html | 15:44 |
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| czr | X-Fade_, cool. | 15:45 |
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| czr | X-Fade_, should i use the beta image instead of the internal one? | 15:45 |
| X-Fade_ | czr: I guess they should be compatible? :) | 15:45 |
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| czr | sure. it's only that mine is running .42-18 | 15:46 |
| czr | so I'm thinking that the beta might be a better choice since it's newer | 15:46 |
| X-Fade_ | czr: Yep, for sure.. | 15:46 |
| czr | maybe I'll reflash tonight then. thanks for the heads-up. | 15:47 |
| alterego | Ooo, beta OS2008 for N800? | 15:47 |
| alterego | Nice .. | 15:47 |
| X-Fade_ | czr: Make sure you do a backup in 2008 first. | 15:47 |
| X-Fade_ | czr: That way it restores your apps too, after flash. | 15:47 |
| czr | X-Fade_, I don't have anything useful on it except a WPA passphrase :-) | 15:47 |
| czr | apps? what apps? :--) | 15:47 |
| czr | I use the device for testing only. | 15:47 |
| X-Fade_ | czr: ;) | 15:48 |
| czr | so no problemo | 15:48 |
| czr | X-Fade_, the backup thingy doesn't save network settings and pairing stuff, does it? | 15:48 |
| * alterego wonders how he missed that .. | 15:48 | |
| X-Fade_ | czr: It does. | 15:48 |
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| czr | oh. cool. maybe I'll try the backup thingy then. | 15:48 |
| Tak | the backup app does save networks and pairings even on os2007 | 15:48 |
| czr | Tak, I barely ever used OS2007 | 15:48 |
| X-Fade_ | czr: At least network, don't remember about bt pairing/ | 15:48 |
| czr | I guess I'll find out | 15:49 |
| Tak | hah - 2006? | 15:49 |
| Tak | 2005? | 15:49 |
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| czr | Tak, 2005 | 15:49 |
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| * czr has been busy doing interesting stuff in-between :-) | 15:49 | |
| lophyte | morning guys | 15:49 |
| czr | Tak, or what was on 770 when it was launched. | 15:50 |
| alterego | 0.1 alpha 1986 | 15:50 |
| Tak | damn | 15:51 |
| Tak | ours came with 2005, but 2006 was available at that point, and we flashed it posthaste | 15:51 |
| alterego | It's a shame those images aren't still available as I'd have loved to have seen the early maemo releases :) | 15:51 |
| alterego | I guess they were never available for the N800 regardless. | 15:52 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: I have some of them ;) | 15:52 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: But what we have now is way better. | 15:52 |
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| alterego | I might buy a 770 at some point. | 15:52 |
| alterego | My dad got one so I've been getting him to lend it to me for testing occasionally. | 15:53 |
| alterego | I think he wants to sell it and get an N810, maybe I'll buy it off of him :) | 15:53 |
| X-Fade_ | There is some kind of OS2008HE version planned, but not everything will be ported. | 15:54 |
| alterego | It'd only be to do releases for OS2006 | 15:54 |
| X-Fade_ | Or a frankenstein mix of 2007 and 2008 ;) | 15:54 |
| alterego | HE would already be supported through my N8X0 development. | 15:54 |
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| |tbb| | <Ub0nty> broken pages with os2008: http://www.schalke04.de/ <-- that were a big reason why i should upgrade to OS 2008 ;) | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: What's wrong? Looks ok to me? | 15:59 |
| Tak | I love the look/feel of the 770 | 16:00 |
| vegai | I suppose the insides of a 810 don't fit inside a 770 :P | 16:01 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: Yeah, but would want trade the grainy screen and cpu ;) | 16:01 |
| Tak | heh, the cpu could use improvement | 16:02 |
| Tak | I honestly don't have an issue with the screen, though | 16:03 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: Until you have used the N800. | 16:03 |
| X-Fade_ | I have both and notice it a lot when switching between them. | 16:03 |
| |tbb| | xfade: i dont know but Ub0nty says it wouldnt look ok | 16:04 |
| Tak | we have an n800, but I guess I don't use it enough for the difference to bother me | 16:05 |
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| |tbb| | RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Software Edition 2008 version 4.2007.44-4 for Nokia N800 will this release have the fm-radio applet included? | 16:10 |
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| matmo | hello. I'm trying the latest SDK VMWare Appliance. Anyone know the admin password so I can configure the network? | 16:26 |
| X-Fade_ | matmo: maemo? | 16:26 |
| _Monkey | maemo is probably a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/ | 16:26 |
| matmo | X-Fade_: ty, I should have tried the obvious, lol | 16:27 |
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| X-Fade_ | matmo: Heh ;) | 16:27 |
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| matmo_ | ha, found the "project home page" for the SDK VMWarw appliance... always forget to check that link on garage pages | 16:38 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: longcat is eating a city near you - background for tablet theme http://pupnik.de/nokia_bg_lngcat.png | 16:49 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 16:49 |
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| lardman | image download is veerrrryyy slow | 16:50 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: To keep you in suspense ;) | 16:51 |
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| lardman | yeah, oh well, left it downloading at home as I thought I should come back to work | 16:51 |
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| Jaffa | Ouch. Everyone read qgil's email on maemo-dev about "N810 discount codes [...] to be fully operational in the Nokia online shops by 15/dec" | 16:53 |
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| * Tak shrugs | 16:55 | |
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| lardman | good, at least we have a date | 16:58 |
| pupnik | yaay | 16:58 |
| pupnik | much nicer to have some idea of timeframe | 16:59 |
| lardman | exactly, can stop refreshing the nokia shop page now :) | 17:00 |
| pupnik | yes that was getting crazy | 17:00 |
| Tak | apropos, the Tab Mix Plus extension has a nice "Refresh Every..." feature | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | lardman: zactly | 17:03 |
| alterego | "by 15/dec" ? | 17:04 |
| alterego | So it _could_ be earlier if the elves work quicker. | 17:04 |
| alterego | Damn santa and his elves. | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | It *could* | 17:05 |
| lardman | ok, so perhaps some gentle refreshing, exponentially increasing towards the middle of Dec | 17:05 |
| alterego | Quim is now Santa. | 17:05 |
| alterego | I expect coal :P | 17:05 |
| lardman | coal's probably worth more these days than it used to be... :) | 17:06 |
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| Ar-ras | hi | 17:08 |
| _Monkey | hi, Ar-ras | 17:08 |
| Ar-ras | i updated my N800 to OS2008 with official FW | 17:08 |
| Tak | particularly in USD | 17:08 |
| Ar-ras | but Skype doesnt install | 17:08 |
| Ar-ras | says i have to update to N810 | 17:08 |
| Ar-ras | any solution? | 17:08 |
| Ar-ras | except buying N810 | 17:08 |
| shackan | Ar-ras: there's 0s2008 for the N800 ? | 17:09 |
| X-Fade_ | Ar-ras: There is no Skype for OS2008 yet.. | 17:09 |
| lardman | Tak: Zimbabwean dollars are probably the worst | 17:09 |
| Ar-ras | X-Fade | 17:09 |
| Ar-ras | sure it is | 17:09 |
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| lardman | Ar-ras: sounds like a bug | 17:09 |
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| Ar-ras | 2 mb size and Version 1.7.62.48.2 | 17:09 |
| * Tak starts buying baht | 17:10 | |
| Ar-ras | not like before Version 0.01 | 17:10 |
| shackan | Ar-ras: but the latest n800 image on the nokia website RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:10 |
| shackan | +is | 17:10 |
| Ar-ras | ??? | 17:10 |
| Ar-ras | no | 17:10 |
| lardman | no, there's a later on, do a refresh | 17:10 |
| lardman | s/on/one | 17:10 |
| Ar-ras | RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 134931407 Software Edition 2008 version 4.2007.44-4 for Nokia N800 The first IT OS 2008 release for Nokia N800 | 17:10 |
| Tak | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html | 17:10 |
| shackan | damn! | 17:10 |
| *** Tak changes topic to "maemo - development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html" | 17:11 | |
| X-Fade_ | Ar-ras: Ah yeah, now it is there. Wasn't last week ;) | 17:11 |
| shackan | I checked this morning | 17:11 |
| X-Fade_ | Duh ;) | 17:11 |
| shackan | and flashed the latest one hoping is was 2008 | 17:11 |
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| shackan | all just to be greeted with the old theme | 17:11 |
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| Ar-ras | How can I update my device to N810 :D | 17:12 |
| Ar-ras | apt-get install N810-Update_for_N800 | 17:12 |
| hullfandan | Does anyone have a couple of minutes to help a complete Maemo noob :) | 17:13 |
| Tak | Ar-ras: you have to add the chinook extras-hardware repo | 17:13 |
| X-Fade_ | Ar-ras: Ok, I can reproduce it.. | 17:13 |
| Ar-ras | Tak do you mean it serious? :D | 17:13 |
| Tak | hullfandan: describe your problem, and somebody will take a stab at it | 17:13 |
| Ar-ras | heeh | 17:13 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: No, it actually states that you N810 OS is not recent enough.. | 17:14 |
| Ar-ras | maybe | 17:14 |
| Ar-ras | Does somebody has N810? | 17:14 |
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| timeless | hrm | 17:15 |
| timeless | has anyone here ever gotten an error from migard? | 17:15 |
| timeless | https://maemo.org/midcom-exec-midcom/cron.php?type=day | 17:15 |
| timeless | Your user account does not have sufficient privileges. | 17:15 |
| timeless | Access denied: You need administrator privileges. | 17:15 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: You shouldn't be using that url at all. | 17:16 |
| * Tak scratches head | 17:16 | |
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| timeless | um, i didn't try to | 17:17 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Where did you find it then? :) | 17:17 |
| timeless | well, i got that page | 17:17 |
| timeless | i didn't try to get that page | 17:17 |
| timeless | now i have a cooler page: | 17:17 |
| timeless | Favourites | 17:17 |
| timeless | you have already buried the item | 17:17 |
| timeless | at the bottom of my screen, *below* sponsored by Nokia | 17:18 |
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| timeless | how do i log out? | 17:18 |
| * timeless puts ona clueless user hat | 17:18 | |
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| X-Fade_ | timeless: Via the midcom menu.. Or switch to http. | 17:19 |
| hullfandan | the Nokia comes with Maemo 2.x? is that the same as OS2006? and so the development environment I need to make apps is 'gregale'? | 17:19 |
| timeless | um | 17:19 |
| timeless | i need to be able to log in again | 17:19 |
| hullfandan | sorry Nokia 770 | 17:19 |
| timeless | and i don't have a menu | 17:19 |
| timeless | that menu requires js | 17:19 |
| X-Fade_ | https://maemo.org/midcom-logout | 17:20 |
| timeless | didn't anyone tell you js is not always available? :) | 17:20 |
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| timeless | Error 404: Page could not be found. | 17:20 |
| timeless | The requested URL /midcom-logout could not be found on this server. | 17:20 |
| timeless | Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:20:07 +0200 | 17:20 |
| X-Fade_ | https://maemo.org/midcom-logout- | 17:20 |
| X-Fade_ | Sorry ;) | 17:20 |
| X-Fade_ | Typo.. | 17:20 |
| timeless | that takes me to a login screen | 17:21 |
| timeless | not very intuitive | 17:21 |
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| X-Fade_ | Everything on https will take you to the login screen. As that requires you to log in ;) | 17:21 |
| timeless | ok: steps | 17:22 |
| timeless | 1. visit https://maemo.org/midcom-logout- | 17:22 |
| timeless | 2. visit http://maemo.org/news/archive/month/2007/11.html | 17:22 |
| timeless | 3. click on the thumb down icon near The Cyclomatic Horror From Outer Space | 17:22 |
| timeless | https://maemo.org/news/favorites/bury/midgard_article/70787c82832011dcb1132707c3f560f660f6/?return=%2Fmidcom-exec-midcom%2Fcron.php%3Ftype%3Dday | 17:22 |
| hullfandan | Is there a better website than maemo.org for developers? I just keep getting broken links like this one : http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html | 17:23 |
| hullfandan | I've never known a site with so many dead links | 17:23 |
| timeless | try the 4.0 tut instead ? :) | 17:23 |
| timeless | hullfandan: try nokia.com | 17:24 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: I see it too. | 17:24 |
| timeless | it has more dead links | 17:24 |
| timeless | x-fade: the bug? | 17:24 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Please file a bug and add bergie to it ;) | 17:24 |
| timeless | cvool | 17:24 |
| Tak | heh, wouldn't the 4.0 tutorial give you broken packages for os2006? | 17:24 |
| timeless | who or what is a bergie? | 17:24 |
| hullfandan | is os2006 == Maemo2.x ? | 17:25 |
| lardman | he's one of the chaps who works on maemo-mapper iirc | 17:25 |
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| timeless | yes | 17:25 |
| hullfandan | why call it two different things? | 17:25 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: The one that developed the social news part. | 17:25 |
| timeless | ok, filing.... | 17:25 |
| kaltsi | hullfandan: I guess you found the tutorial though: https://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html | 17:25 |
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| kaltsi | and let me remove the https for you: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html | 17:26 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: I think I know why that happens ;) That archive is created via cron. | 17:26 |
| hullfandan | thanks I hadn't found that actually | 17:26 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: So the return page is somehow the cron script ;) | 17:26 |
| hullfandan | the site is so bad I feel ill when I have to use it so I try to use other stes :/ | 17:26 |
| kaltsi | hullfandan: where did you find that link.. let's get it fixed? | 17:27 |
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| hullfandan | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html | 17:27 |
| timeless | es, you got it :) | 17:27 |
| hullfandan | bottom of the page | 17:27 |
| Ar-ras | mmh | 17:28 |
| Ar-ras | what is the password of root?` | 17:28 |
| kaltsi | hullfandan: thanks for pointing it out, now it's fixed. | 17:28 |
| Ar-ras | rootme doesn work | 17:28 |
| timeless | x-fade: problem | 17:29 |
| timeless | i don't know bergie | 17:29 |
| hullfandan | that was fast, I will send other if I find them thanks | 17:29 |
| timeless | terje ? | 17:29 |
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| timeless | Bug 2387 Submitted | 17:29 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2387 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2387 | 17:29 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: henri.bergius A T iki.fi | 17:29 |
| timeless | x-fade: fix the cc list :( | 17:30 |
| kaltsi | hullfandan: ok.. I'll be gone for now but if you prepend the reports with my name I can get them fixed when I come back.. cheers | 17:30 |
| timeless | oh brother. fixed | 17:30 |
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| timeless | x-fade: so um,... did i favorite it or not? | 17:30 |
| hullfandan | I am trying to develop an application that will share mobile phone films via BT/OBEX push. I have already developed a similar software for full PC but that was windows/Java based because of the hardware. The Nokia 770 hardware looks perfect for what we need so I am now looking to create a similar version but for the 770. | 17:30 |
| hullfandan | Sadly I have little linux experience and am still struggling with Ubuntu so I think half of my problems are just linux and not Maemo specific :( | 17:31 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Doesn't look like it. | 17:31 |
| timeless | wah | 17:31 |
| timeless | but i wanted to bury it :) | 17:31 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: although I don't know if it updates in the archives ;) | 17:32 |
| hullfandan | ok Kaltsi will do | 17:32 |
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| X-Fade_ | timeless: Maybe cron has to pass over it again.. | 17:32 |
| inz | timeless, re-pong | 17:32 |
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| timeless | inz: hrm, i was trying to ping about bugzilla/xterm | 17:32 |
| hullfandan | I will get there though. Does anyone know of any Obex applications already of the 770 for sending files? | 17:32 |
| timeless | do you watch that component? | 17:32 |
| timeless | hullfandan: pretty sure i saw one | 17:32 |
| hullfandan | I've googled but not found anything | 17:33 |
| timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/btxfer/ | 17:33 |
| timeless | not sure how you googled :) | 17:33 |
| inz | timeless, I no have access :/ | 17:34 |
| timeless | inz: bugs.maemo.org? | 17:34 |
| _Monkey | i guess bugs.maemo.org is where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications | 17:34 |
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| hullfandan | :) I think I saw that but as it's been going for over a year and not released any files yet I kind of ignored it :) | 17:34 |
| timeless | it's public | 17:34 |
| Segnale007 | hi there | 17:34 |
| inz | timeless, oh there, though you meant the other 'zilla ;) | 17:34 |
| timeless | inz: there's only one that matters :) | 17:34 |
| timeless | all others are myths, shadows, ghosts, ... | 17:35 |
| timeless | hullfandan: um, they did release something | 17:36 |
| pupnik | i need a wife that runs linux | 17:36 |
| hullfandan | oh sorry again just confused by the website :) | 17:36 |
| timeless | anyway, if you need to rebuild the package | 17:36 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/btxfer/ | 17:36 |
| timeless | their svn is available | 17:36 |
| inz | timeless, well, what of it, I only see two bugs there | 17:37 |
| timeless | inz: anyway, do you watch that component? | 17:37 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email#watchedusers | 17:37 |
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| hullfandan | thanks timeless | 17:37 |
| timeless | from https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=System%20Software#X%20Terminal | 17:37 |
| timeless | copy osso-xterm-bugs@maemo.org | 17:37 |
| timeless | and paste that into the watch list | 17:37 |
| timeless | inz: i'm part of "virtual maemo" and we're trying to make sure bug components are owned | 17:38 |
| inz | timeless, am watching it now | 17:39 |
| timeless | thanks | 17:39 |
| * timeless notes that this exercise is really foolish | 17:40 | |
| timeless | but oh well | 17:40 |
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| inz | timeless, do note however that I have nothing to do with the "official" xterm =) | 17:41 |
| inz | timeless, except that it is based on my version | 17:41 |
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| timeless | inz: as far as debian is concerned, it's yours :) | 17:41 |
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| Don^ | ok. i'm back. | 17:45 |
| Don^ | seems that no-one came up with a solution :( | 17:45 |
| Tak | Don^: Are you connecting through a USB hub? | 17:45 |
| Don^ | no | 17:46 |
| Don^ | of course not. don't trust those things. | 17:46 |
| lardman | flashing troubles? | 17:50 |
| lardman | You sure your computer doesn't have a hub built in? | 17:50 |
| cy3o3 | Nice, OS2008 confirmed on N800 | 17:51 |
| timeless | confirmed? | 17:51 |
| timeless | we've promised it for a year | 17:51 |
| timeless | what's there to confirm? | 17:51 |
| cy3o3 | Well, it's available I mean :P | 17:51 |
| cy3o3 | http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/nokia_N800.php | 17:52 |
| timeless | that's a beta, no? | 17:52 |
| matmo_ | hmmm, need help getting started with SDK. Seem to remember when I tried earlier version I had to login to SB, correct? | 17:52 |
| cy3o3 | timeless: Not sure on that.. was just going through my rss feeds and came across this: http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TabletblogcomByThoughtfix/~3/190731813/newsflash-os2008-on-n800-gets-official.html | 17:52 |
| zoran | no official news from nokia? | 17:53 |
| Don^ | lardman: :D | 17:53 |
| matmo_ | hmmm2, ok the launch icon logs me in , I think | 17:53 |
| Don^ | lardman: well. something went wrong with the unit after the battery died on me. flashed it, went ok - unit stays in reboot loop and now i cannot flash it anymore. | 17:54 |
| matmo_ | but "whoami" returns "maemo" so same user name used for VMWare environment and SB | 17:54 |
| Don^ | lardman: i get "Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 17:54 |
| Don^ | To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image" | 17:54 |
| timeless | i'm going by the topic url | 17:55 |
| timeless | which points to 44-4 | 17:55 |
| matmo_ | (head hurts, lol) | 17:55 |
| Don^ | and when trying to flash just the xloader i get: Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed! Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out | 17:55 |
| timeless | i'll go yell at someone now, give me a min | 17:55 |
| zoran | Don^, don't want to bother, but did you changed something to spoil booting sequence? | 17:56 |
| X-Fade_ | Don^: You can try to flash it with 0xffff | 17:56 |
| X-Fade_ | Don^: Not sure if that will change anything.. | 17:56 |
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| lardman | Don^: is this a 770 or an n800? | 17:58 |
| Don^ | lardman: n800 | 17:58 |
| Don^ | zoran: nope. | 17:58 |
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| lardman | I second X-Fade_'s suggestion, 0xffff might give you more verbose error messages too | 17:58 |
| dpb_ | cy3o3, zoran: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html <- it's beta. | 17:59 |
| Don^ | lardman, X-Fade_: 0xffff? now i'm a tiny bit lost. | 18:00 |
| matmo_ | Don^: happened to me. I remember something about holding a button while switching it on, sry can't recall exactly, maybe search ITT | 18:00 |
| X-Fade_ | Don^: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 18:00 |
| zoran | Don^, I had to push home putton while powering on the device during reflash | 18:01 |
| zoran | *button | 18:01 |
| Don^ | ok | 18:01 |
| zoran | Don^, it was 770! | 18:02 |
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| lardman | Don^: are you using the right flasher? flasher-3.0 | 18:02 |
| Don^ | yup | 18:02 |
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| Don^ | correct flasher. | 18:03 |
| Don^ | zoran: ok. this is a n800 | 18:03 |
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| matmo_ | anyone know how to get network | 18:04 |
| matmo_ | oops, nm | 18:04 |
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| Don^ | ok. got to go home now. will play around with 0xFFF there. | 18:12 |
| Don^ | any other suggestions? :D I guess cold flash would require special hardware or did i miss something? | 18:12 |
| alterego | You hold the home button when turning it on to flash it I believe. | 18:12 |
| zoran | and screem loud | 18:13 |
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| alterego | Or into a pillow if you have kids. | 18:13 |
| lardman | home button doesn't matter | 18:13 |
| zoran | ah.... | 18:14 |
| _Monkey | i guess ah is just links | 18:14 |
| zoran | I need one _Monkey to have it with me when talking to persons at work | 18:14 |
| * Tak always hold home button | 18:15 | |
| zoran | me too when I have no home key | 18:16 |
| alterego | It didn't work with me unless I held the home button .. | 18:16 |
| alterego | So I'd say it's required. | 18:16 |
| zoran | alterego, also | 18:16 |
| lardman | what I do is this: unplug from AC, switch off, plug in usb, start flasher, plug in AC (it then boots by itself) | 18:17 |
| hullfandan | Quick dev question. Is is possible to set an application to run at startup? | 18:17 |
| zoran | hm, I did with no ac | 18:17 |
| Don^ | yup. the sequence is ok. i mean to get the whole thing started. | 18:17 |
| Don^ | it's just that the damn think fails to work. | 18:17 |
| alterego | hullfandan, yes. Add an init rc script. | 18:17 |
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| lardman | hullfandan: /etc/init.d/ | 18:17 |
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| alterego | lardman, sticking a file in there wont make it work :P | 18:18 |
| hullfandan | thanks | 18:18 |
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| Don^ | damn. | 18:18 |
| alterego | He better look at the whole sysinit system. | 18:18 |
| zoran | should be on level 2 | 18:18 |
| Don^ | now back. | 18:18 |
| lardman | alterego: no, but it's a start point for googling | 18:18 |
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| alterego | zoran, unless it's a network dependant app ;) | 18:19 |
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| lardman | alterego: esp when I couldn't remember "sysinit" ;) | 18:19 |
| alterego | Though, I guess that doesn't really make a difference. When the connections handled by conic. | 18:19 |
| zoran | alterego, it just has to be behind network options, if let in start up script | 18:20 |
| alterego | zoran, level 3 is network. AFIAK level 2 is just system init | 18:21 |
| zoran | k | 18:21 |
| alterego | multi-user daemons .. | 18:21 |
| alterego | But don't quote me ;) | 18:21 |
| zoran | :) | 18:21 |
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| zoran | debian uses 2 for the same thing | 18:21 |
| zoran | rh is 3 | 18:21 |
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| zoran | I recall command to see what is and what was the last level on the box, probably who -flag | 18:22 |
| zoran | I have no system V handy to check | 18:23 |
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| alterego | zoran, yeah. I think you're right. | 18:23 |
| zoran | it is not who, but just canot recall | 18:23 |
| alterego | Actually, 2-5 are multi-user .. Doesn't say anything about their functions singularly. Which is odd for debian to be so lax on something like that. | 18:24 |
| alterego | ffs. | 18:25 |
| alterego | Why is my .install stuff not working O_O | 18:25 |
| zoran | my 770 starts as 2 and with graphics | 18:25 |
| alterego | This is a pain in the ass. | 18:25 |
| * alterego starts to cry. | 18:26 | |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: What are you trying to do? | 18:27 |
| alterego | Add a .install file to maemo.org downloads. | 18:27 |
| alterego | I've tried both using the URL to specify one on my server and writing it manually. | 18:27 |
| X-Fade_ | Do you have the right mime-type on your server for .install files? | 18:28 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: can you give me the url? | 18:28 |
| alterego | That wouldn't make a difference to maemo.org, only if someone was using my server. | 18:28 |
| alterego | But yes, I was going to do that. Do you know what the mime type is? | 18:28 |
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| X-Fade_ | alterego: application/x-install-instructions | 18:29 |
| alterego | Right. | 18:29 |
| alterego | Thanks. | 18:29 |
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| X-Fade_ | alterego: What is the url of your program in downloads? | 18:30 |
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| alterego | ruby-maemo under software development | 18:31 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: nonne != none ;) | 18:32 |
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| Tak | if you're specifying the URL, your server needs to be correct, because it just redirects | 18:32 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: You made a typo.. | 18:32 |
| alterego | Tak, oh, okay. | 18:32 |
| alterego | X-Fade_, you're not looking under OS2008 :P | 18:32 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: No, 2007.. | 18:32 |
| alterego | Yeah, that hasn't got an install yet as I'm editing 2008. Though the install file should work for both .. | 18:33 |
| Tak | The chinook-style install files won't work in the 200[67] app managers, though, will they? | 18:33 |
| zoran | if someone knows ruby :) | 18:33 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: The other one doesn't work because you made another typo ;) | 18:33 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: http// instead of http:// | 18:34 |
| alterego | Oh, crap. | 18:34 |
| alterego | No, I didn't typo that. | 18:34 |
| X-Fade_ | http//maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/ruby1.8-maemo.install | 18:35 |
| X-Fade_ | Looks like it to me.. | 18:35 |
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| * Tak doesn't know ruby, just abuses it badly | 18:36 | |
| alterego | ':' isn't valid in a path. | 18:36 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: Huh? | 18:36 |
| X-Fade_ | You just messed up your url, that is all ;) | 18:36 |
| alterego | X-Fade_, that "link" you pasted was the second part of the maemo.org install link that barfs. | 18:37 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: No it isn't. Edit your app. | 18:37 |
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| X-Fade_ | Want me to fix it? | 18:37 |
| alterego | Ah, no you're right ;) | 18:37 |
| alterego | Now to figure out why this mime type isn't working .. | 18:37 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: Or just enter 'none' in that url field and paste the contents of your .install in 'editable install file'. | 18:38 |
| X-Fade_ | That way it is fixed too. | 18:39 |
| alterego | X-Fade_, did that and it still didn't work .. | 18:39 |
| X-Fade_ | Because you typed 'nonne' | 18:39 |
| alterego | X-Fade_, that wouldn't make a difference. When there are contents in the manual install field it ignores the URL field. | 18:40 |
| alterego | So nonne would be ignored regardless of it being typo'd. | 18:40 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: No, it then thinks it is an url. | 18:40 |
| alterego | "Editable Install File (Overrides the URL link)" | 18:40 |
| alterego | So that must mean something completely different then .. | 18:41 |
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| X-Fade_ | alterego: It should override it.. | 18:42 |
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| alterego | Well, I set it to use the manual "editable install file" I set the URL to "none" and it still isn't working. | 18:42 |
| X-Fade_ | alterego: let me check.. | 18:42 |
| alterego | Please do :) | 18:43 |
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| X-Fade_ | alterego: Hmm being called away. Will check it when I get back.. | 18:45 |
| alterego | Well, the mime type is set correctly. But it's just showing as text in my browser O_O | 18:45 |
| rene4jazz | hi all, is there something particular with a scracthbox target configured with qemu-arm (cputransp) that can affect the graphical output setup?..My graphical output work's fine with my other target (with no cputransp method selected) | 18:45 |
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| guardian | graphical ouput of what ? | 18:46 |
| guardian | the whole hildon framework ? | 18:46 |
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| rene4jazz | yep, the whole hildom | 18:47 |
| sp3000 | hilldoom | 18:47 |
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| rene4jazz | I execute "af-xxxx start" on the arm target and it seems to connect to the xserver (I tryed with Xephyr and Xvnc ) but no results | 18:49 |
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| rene4jazz | When I switch to the other target (no arm) the same setup works fine | 18:50 |
| alterego | Hmm .. It appears my install file is wrong .. | 18:52 |
| alterego | Maybe .. | 18:52 |
| rene4jazz | any suggestion? | 18:55 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Just a small question ... | 18:56 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i'm thinking on mouse gesture for a soft on windows | 18:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but is it possible to get mouse over all application on maemo ? | 18:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i explain ... an application that listen a particular mouse gesture in background ... | 18:57 |
| zoran | it should be in html | 18:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and then launch a particular action for this mouse gesture | 18:58 |
| zoran | browser depending? | 18:58 |
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| alterego | Khertan_TheReal, it's certainly possible. | 18:58 |
| alterego | Probably easiest to write a home applet that you can perform the gestures in. That way you don't have to badly hack Gtk | 18:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | alterego ... hum ... right :) | 18:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but you haven't the home without opening keyboard on n810 no ? | 19:00 |
| alterego | Sure, the home key is on the left hand side. | 19:00 |
| alterego | It's the menu and 5 directional pad that are on the slide out section. | 19:01 |
| alterego | (escape and home are on the left hand-side of the device) | 19:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | yes ... you are right | 19:01 |
| alterego | :) | 19:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (i haven't one yet ... so i don't remember how photo are :) ) | 19:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | s/photo/photos | 19:02 |
| alterego | Well, the home button is one of the most important IMO, for finger navigating as it's for task switching and quick access to home screen. | 19:02 |
| bill20r3 | Geez the update downloads slowly, anyone have a copy that I can get at >18k/sec ? | 19:02 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | i can offer you 2ko/s :) | 19:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | no more :) | 19:05 |
| bill20r3 | do I hear 3? | 19:07 |
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| alterego | 2.5b/s | 19:08 |
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| bill20r3 | :-( | 19:09 |
| alterego | Well .. That's the N800 backed up. | 19:09 |
| * alterego downloads the latest image. | 19:09 | |
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| alterego | That's odd .. I thought it was only a beta. | 19:12 |
| alterego | Why doesn't it have "beta" in the name? :D | 19:12 |
| alterego | Cool .. An official OS2008 release for the N800. | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Update? | 19:13 |
| * alterego starts to salivate. | 19:13 | |
| bill20r3 | yes, please. | 19:13 |
| bill20r3 | 128meg at 25k/sec. (so far) | 19:14 |
| alterego | ~80K/s here | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if a changelog from 18 is too much to ask. | 19:14 |
| alterego | Yes, I'd say it is :P | 19:15 |
| alterego | 90K/s :) | 19:15 |
| bill20r3 | alterego, I'll race you. | 19:16 |
| bill20r3 | hhe | 19:16 |
| * alterego thinks of something to do in the next 30 minutes .. | 19:16 | |
| alterego | 100! | 19:16 |
| bill20r3 | :-( | 19:16 |
| alterego | It's getting faster :P | 19:16 |
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| alterego | Shame we can't torrent these really. | 19:16 |
| Tak | I don't see why a private tracker can't be set up | 19:17 |
| Tak | (by official people) | 19:17 |
| * bill20r3 blames uu.net | 19:17 | |
| bill20r3 | no kidding. | 19:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, would be a good idea. | 19:17 |
| bill20r3 | the chumby uses torrents for it's updates. | 19:17 |
| solmumaha | os2008 feels great, much more responsive | 19:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, OS2008 is sweet :) | 19:18 |
| Tak | How is the chumby? | 19:18 |
| bill20r3 | notice any compatibility problems? | 19:18 |
| alterego | Appearantly there's an issue with navicore. | 19:18 |
| bill20r3 | the chumby is like the worlds most over-engineered digital clock. | 19:18 |
| alterego | Or something. There's also no skype | 19:18 |
| geoffeg | Does OS2008 really up the CPU Freq on the 800? | 19:18 |
| alterego | geoffeg, yes. The max is 400Mhz | 19:18 |
| Khertan_TheReal | geoffeg> yes | 19:18 |
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| geoffeg | wow, impressive | 19:19 |
| bill20r3 | but it's pretty cool, but I wish you could easily develop for it in something besides flash. | 19:19 |
| geoffeg | i wonder if a new kernel version also increases battery life | 19:19 |
| alterego | I've not done any battery life tests but I'd say the tablet's running 2008 last as long (maybe longer) as those with 2007 | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, Python or Ruby, bill20r3? | 19:19 |
| geoffeg | (i heard that the OLPC guys submitted lots of patches to the linux kernel to improve battery life) | 19:19 |
| geoffeg | also, does OS2008 for the N800 come with the mapping software that the 810 comes with? | 19:20 |
| Tak | bill20r3: yeah, that's kind of a turnoff | 19:20 |
| alterego | IT should do. | 19:20 |
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| * alterego notices that OS2008 is ~40M larger than OS2007 .. | 19:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, Chumby. | 19:20 |
| _Monkey | somebody said chumby was like the worlds most over-engineered digital clock. | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 19:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles wakes up. | 19:20 | |
| bill20r3 | general, if you want it to work with the existing widgets (ant the chumby.com site), it has to be flash. | 19:20 |
| bill20r3 | at least so far that's the case. | 19:21 |
| geoffeg | is it easy to go back to OS2007 if I don't like 2008? | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just a reflash. | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, trust me, you'll like it. :) | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess today is where we get to test the backup utility. | 19:22 |
| geoffeg | i'm concerned about some the apps i use not being available | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which? | 19:23 |
| geoffeg | Evince for one | 19:23 |
| alterego | I think it's nice that Nokia are doing exactly what I said they should do. Though, this stratagy (beta naming) is probably good as it makes "end" users more cautions. They should know that there are barely any apps for 2008 | 19:23 |
| geoffeg | cause the built in pdf reader in 2007 sucks | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | PDF reader with OS2008 is much nicer. | 19:24 |
| bill20r3 | don't 2007 apps run ok? | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gtk API break. | 19:24 |
| alterego | Gtk .. Glibc .. | 19:24 |
| alterego | OS2008 is crispy new 2007 was a relic as far as mainstream developments are concerned :) | 19:24 |
| bill20r3 | lousy. | 19:24 |
| geoffeg | GeneralAntilles: my main gripe was that it wasn't easy to go from page to page in full-screen mode when reading a pdf.. if they fixed that i'm very happy | 19:24 |
| bill20r3 | maybe I'll give it a week or three. | 19:24 |
| alterego | Most apps just require a recompile though. | 19:25 |
| geoffeg | what about mplayer? | 19:25 |
| alterego | geoffeg, or check that the apps you want are in the catalog. | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | They did, geoffeg. | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer has a beta out, geoffeg. | 19:25 |
| * alterego plugs in the cable of doom. | 19:25 | |
| geoffeg | GeneralAntilles: The biggest question i have is if the mapping app is included? | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but no navigation yet. | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper is available as well. | 19:26 |
| alterego | No navicore. | 19:26 |
| geoffeg | ok, i'll ugprade tonight.. i have to upgrade to the latest OS2007 because the version i'm running now ate my 8GB SDHC card | 19:26 |
| geoffeg | no navicore? that sucks! | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why does everybody seem to think the API break is a bad thing? | 19:26 |
| geoffeg | i was gonna get a bluetooth GPS thing and use navicore in my car! | 19:26 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, only users think it is a bad thing ;) | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha, I'm a user! | 19:26 |
| alterego | "Oh no .. My apps stopped workzing!" | 19:26 |
| L0cutus | hi | 19:26 |
| _Monkey | que tal, L0cutus | 19:26 |
| alterego | Me, I couldn't care less. | 19:27 |
| alterego | ruby-maemo is up to date :_ | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | geoffeg, the Maps application will do that, as well as maemo mapper. | 19:27 |
| alterego | Tested and works great on OS2008 | 19:27 |
| L0cutus | is possible to backup my os2007 w/apps&cfg on my SD and to restore it if i reflash ? | 19:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OS2007 apps wont work under OS2008 | 19:27 |
| geoffeg | GeneralAntilles: Wait, that makes it sound like there are three maps apps.. I have maemo mapper.. I know that navicore is the app included with the N810.. what is "The Maps application"? | 19:28 |
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| L0cutus | GeneralAntilles: i plan to upgrade to the new os2008 beta, if i need, i back to os2007 and restore backup | 19:28 |
| alterego | geoffeg, navicore isn't included with 810 | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navicore OS2007 -> Maps OS2008, basically. | 19:28 |
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| geoffeg | oh, so there is a mapping app included with the OS2008 image for the N800? | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just no navigation yet. | 19:29 |
| geoffeg | Can it do routing? | 19:29 |
| geoffeg | oh, o, | 19:29 |
| geoffeg | ok | 19:29 |
| geoffeg | "yet" | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use maemo mapper for that. | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | or wait a couple weeks. | 19:29 |
| L0cutus | but i don't know what is saving it actually | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | The service wont be active until December 15th (my guess, anyway). | 19:30 |
| geoffeg | i just wanted to know if i should ask for a "bluetooth gps receiver" for xmas or a "garmin streetpilot" :) | 19:31 |
| alterego | N810 .. | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | bluetooth | 19:31 |
| geoffeg | yep | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737/757 | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | then a bunch of SDHC cards. | 19:32 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:32 |
| geoffeg | i have an 8GB SDHC card | 19:32 |
| L0cutus | hum seems tha backup utility doesn't save applications... | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get 3 | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a 16GB | 19:32 |
| geoffeg | (well, i will as soon as Kingston ships my replacement card.. my n800 ate my last one) | 19:32 |
| alterego | I thought it odd. That the N810 uses mini SD (micro with adapter) yet the recommended accessories show a micro SD. I wonder if that comes with an adapter .. | 19:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Though I hear West Marine is running some pretty extreme discounts on the Garmin Nuvis, so why not get both! | 19:32 |
| geoffeg | GeneralAntilles: The less gadgets i have to deal with the better.. and the screen on the N800 is so nice for maps | 19:33 |
| alterego | Unless you live somewhere where there's sun light | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | jut a dumb question, does the 44 is the week number of the release on "RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" | 19:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | just take a look at the other firmware | 19:34 |
| alterego | Khertan, indeed it is. | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Garmin's are just so wonderfully brain-dead easy to use these days. | 19:35 |
| alterego | Khertan, 44 is week number then the -4 following is build number in that week. | 19:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but 4 week before it s available to public | 19:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ouch | 19:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | long test for beta test os :) | 19:35 |
| alterego | Not really. | 19:35 |
| alterego | Windows Vista Beta was about 6 months. | 19:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | yeah but for windows vista it's not enough | 19:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | everybody know that :) | 19:36 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | it should be 5 years | 19:36 |
| alterego | Meh, I've got friends that are quite happy with Vista | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | alterego> happy for us :) | 19:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | alterego> it ve not passed the install process for me :) | 19:37 |
| alterego | Not really, I have to fix their machines when it breaks. | 19:37 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol alterego;) | 19:37 |
| alterego | 10 | 19:38 |
| alterego | 9 | 19:38 |
| alterego | 8 | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | STALL! | 19:38 |
| alterego | 6 | 19:38 |
| alterego | 1 | 19:38 |
| alterego | 0 | 19:38 |
| alterego | WOO! | 19:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | STALL !!!! | 19:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol GeneralAntilles :) | 19:38 |
| * alterego dusts off the flasher-3.0 exec | 19:39 | |
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| alterego | Woops, forgot to do it as root and got a bit scared when it said "Operation not permitted" :) | 19:41 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol | 19:42 |
| Khertan_TheReal | what are you doing ? | 19:42 |
| alterego | Flashing OS2008 onto my N800 | 19:42 |
| alterego | 25% | 19:42 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ah ... i ll wait to be at home ... | 19:42 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i don't trust my work computer for this ... | 19:42 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:42 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (windows ... brrrrr) | 19:42 |
| alterego | Doesn't matter where you do it you'll always get a bit scared ;) | 19:43 |
| alterego | I'd really like to get a serial cable .. | 19:43 |
| alterego | czr, any chance of you sending my a serial cable? :P | 19:43 |
| alterego | 75% | 19:43 |
| Khertan_TheReal | at home i ve sometime electrics shutdown ... maybe one time a week for less than 1s | 19:44 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but i hope i ll not flashing a firmware when the next come | 19:44 |
| sp3000 | laptops ftw :) | 19:44 |
| Khertan_TheReal | héhé | 19:44 |
| alterego | Well, luckily, how the flash is segregated it's most likely to happen during flashing the rootfs. Which won't brick the device. | 19:44 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, I'm flashed :) | 19:44 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s more dangerous from my laptop :) | 19:44 |
| * alterego bootz | 19:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | laptops suck, sp3000. :P | 19:45 |
| alterego | Okay, when do I start submitting bug reports? | 19:45 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: but batteris can be useful :) | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: I think you mean 'vacuum cleaners' | 19:46 |
| sp3000 | batteries even | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what UPSes are for! | 19:46 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. I should figure out a name for my next device. | 19:46 |
| Khertan_TheReal | yes ;) but mine is dead ... i really need to take time to buy another | 19:46 |
| Khertan_TheReal | kN810 :) | 19:47 |
| alterego | No, I mean hostname. | 19:47 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it would be the name of my next device :) | 19:47 |
| alterego | I name all my machines after planets. | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I did "Hermes" for my first 770, then "Hermes 2.0" for the N800 and "Hermes 1.5" for my second 770. | 19:47 |
| alterego | Well, astrological bodies :) | 19:47 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | PSR B1257 | 19:49 |
| Khertan_TheReal | the first exo planet discovered if i remember :) | 19:49 |
| Khertan_TheReal | oups ... no ... psr ... it s the pulsar | 19:49 |
| Khertan_TheReal | near the first exo planet discovered | 19:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | TMR-1C is the first exoplanet discovered in 1992 | 19:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 19:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | nice name, isn't it ? | 19:51 |
| alterego | If I wanted to give it a serial number I would just use my MAC address :P | 19:51 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol | 19:51 |
| Khertan_TheReal | me my all device host name begin with 'k' :) | 19:52 |
| alterego | I have .. Jupiter, Neptune, Earth and Lunar | 19:52 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | pluton ;) | 19:52 |
| alterego | I think the N810 will be Mars :) | 19:53 |
| alterego | Mars or Mecury | 19:53 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Nibiru | 19:53 |
| * alterego contemplates sending a bug report. | 19:54 | |
| Tak | I wonder why planets are so common for hostnames | 19:55 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_%28hypothetical_planet%29 | 19:55 |
| alterego | Tak, probably something to do with the geek mentality. | 19:55 |
| alterego | It's either planets or cartoon characters. | 19:55 |
| Khertan_TheReal | should be great for n810 ... the hypothetical available device :) | 19:55 |
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| alterego | Basically, the planets are only for my personal devices which don't have a specific purpose in life. | 19:56 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve a friend wich give the name of candy to his device | 19:56 |
| alterego | Where as my work machines that are used for very specific things have names that reflect their usage in the network. | 19:56 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 19:56 |
| Khertan_TheReal | alterego > you are lucky at my old work it was some starwars references ... | 19:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (i was in a bank) | 19:57 |
| alterego | Hahah | 19:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | very easy to find the right boc | 19:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | s/boc/box | 19:57 |
| alterego | Was your boss Darth Vadar? | 19:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so let s go to home ... see u later | 19:58 |
| Tak | heh, at my last job they were Texas cities | 19:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | bye | 19:58 |
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| * alterego deletes all the crap that's in the default install. | 19:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, 50MB of media and manuals in every language on the planet. | 20:00 |
| alterego | Theoretically. This is the last full flash I should ever have to do .. | 20:00 |
| alterego | Yeah .. | 20:01 |
| alterego | My rootfs is now 94M :) | 20:01 |
| * alterego starts setting up dual booting. | 20:01 | |
| fysa | what is? the newly released dev beta? | 20:01 |
| alterego | fysa, yes. | 20:01 |
| alterego | I suppose whilst I'm playing around with this I could download all the maps for my region .. | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just make sure you have at least twice the SD card space available. | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Not as much of an issue for you non-US folks, I guess, though). | 20:05 |
| alterego | Yeah | 20:05 |
| * alterego downloads the planet. | 20:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Aha, those little notches on my scrollbar in Colloquy that I've been thinking were artifacts are actually highlights. >_> | 20:07 |
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| troofs | how do i fix that libconf something error wheni try to install mapper 2 | 20:07 |
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| alterego | One of these days I'm gonna have to clean the screen .. | 20:09 |
| Mmm810 | Any coder, spending time in shell friendly BT keyboards yall like for these nokias? I just got 810 thx | 20:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles plugs his backup N800 batteries back into the 770s. | 20:10 | |
| * mgedmin kind of misses the Home/End/PgUp/PgDn/Insert keys on the Apple wireless keyboard | 20:10 | |
| alterego | It's taking a _long_ time to download these maps. I wonder if there's high traffic .. ^_^ | 20:11 |
| Mmm810 | Yeh i heard nice but for that on apple and ctrl | 20:11 |
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| troofs | the nokia isn't exactly the most practical gps device. | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It took forever under tho N810 firmware, too. | 20:12 |
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| troofs | i guess if you need to know where youre going you could always pull over and score an access point. | 20:12 |
| Tak | hmm - does the n810 hw keyboard allow multiple, simultaneous keypresses? | 20:12 |
| alterego | Tak, indeed it does | 20:12 |
| troofs | uh, i would think so. | 20:12 |
| alterego | Yes, it does. | 20:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles flashes away. | 20:12 | |
| alterego | Once I've setup this install I'm gonna do a full backup and create my own custom fiasco image me thinks. | 20:13 |
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| pupnik | lets beg the applewin author to open his emu up | 20:15 |
| alterego | applewin? | 20:15 |
| Tak | troofs: You would think so, but the hardware buttons on the previous ITs have led me to be pessimistic. | 20:15 |
| alterego | IT IS! | 20:16 |
| alterego | IT says so in the manual :P | 20:17 |
| alterego | (hold ctrl + del | 20:17 |
| pupnik | hem | 20:17 |
| alterego | (hold fn + blah) | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha: "Your acceptance has expired!" on the firmware download page. | 20:19 |
| bill20r3 | bleh, mine is down to 3.2k/second. | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine died at 85MB | 20:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 2.8KB/sec | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:21 |
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| alterego | Jeez, mine went steady at 80-100K/s | 20:22 |
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| alterego | And that's probably because of my ISP throttling in the evening :P | 20:23 |
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| * alterego uninstalls crap. | 20:26 | |
| alterego | Hmm .. I can't uninstall gizmo. | 20:26 |
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| * alterego tries to remember the text to enable red pill mode. | 20:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, come on . . . | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously? | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | matrix <_< | 20:27 |
| alterego | Right, | 20:27 |
| alterego | then click cancel right? | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeppers. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make sure its in the URL field. | 20:27 |
| alterego | I've not done it in ages :P | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But . . . Matrix. | 20:28 |
| alterego | Yeah ,, Seems so obvious now ^_^ | 20:28 |
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| alterego | 14M/140M of map data :/ | 20:29 |
| alterego | This is taking for ever. | 20:29 |
| alterego | Though, I'm not exactly in a rush :D | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try 750MB. ;) | 20:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:29 |
| alterego | Leave it over night ;) | 20:29 |
| L0cutus | uff the nokia case SU-31 is unavailable | 20:29 |
| alterego | "uff"? | 20:29 |
| alterego | OR is that just the sound you make when you're disappointed that a nokia product is unavailable | 20:30 |
| L0cutus | Italian word (gh) | 20:30 |
| alterego | ? | 20:30 |
| L0cutus | good the first :) | 20:30 |
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| alterego | Anyone know what eZiText is? | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.zicorp.com/eZiText.htm | 20:31 |
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| alterego | Ah, that's part of the input method then. | 20:32 |
| alterego | I presume it's safe to remove some langs I don't need. | 20:32 |
| alterego | Oh crap, it's got a dep >:( | 20:32 |
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| alterego | Helix client aye .. | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a way to change the lowest brightness setting in software in OS2008 to the lowest hardware brightness setting? | 20:37 |
| pupnik | SU-31 sounds like a russian fighter jet | 20:37 |
| alterego | gconf | 20:37 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, there's a key in gconf. Unfortunately I don't know it off the top of my head. | 20:37 |
| pupnik | http://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-31/home.shtml oh, sports plane :) | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I was going to say. :P | 20:38 |
| alterego | Hah | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a bit more than a "sports plane" | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the greatest stunt planes on the planet. :P | 20:38 |
| * matt_c feels bad for the poor server. | 20:39 | |
| matt_c | Mine died partway through too. | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | No its dying at around 1-2MB | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mirror it, alterego. :P | 20:39 |
| alterego | Mirror what? | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OS2008 image. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | *No = now | 20:41 |
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| alterego | How can I be sure your MAC is valid? | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:41 |
| alterego | Seriously, I would but I don't want to get into trouble. | 20:42 |
| alterego | If someone from nokia says I can mirror it I will :) | 20:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles is going to stick with the N810 release until Nokia fixes its crappy servers. | 20:42 | |
| alterego | It's probably just under a lot of load. | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Certainly, but how many N800 users are likely to be downloading this. :P | 20:43 |
| L0cutus | after all it is only a beta :) | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | They need some real servers. | 20:43 |
| doc|work | any sign of a version of opera > 8.5 coming to the n800? | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's called MicroB and its based on Mozilla. | 20:43 |
| alterego | Erm .. No Opera | 20:43 |
| gla55_ | up to opera themselfs if nokias dropped them in favor of microb | 20:43 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, what country are you in? | 20:44 |
| doc|work | and that won't be until 2008 is released? | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | US | 20:44 |
| alterego | Might be a problem with the trans-atlantic pipes. | 20:44 |
| alterego | Maybe use a proxy? :) | 20:44 |
| alterego | I find when connecting to the US, it's best to connect via one of my servers as the host obviously has a much better connection to the US than I do. | 20:45 |
| |R | haha | 20:45 |
| alterego | Ooo .. If I uninstall macromedia-flashplayer I can remove all those buggy adverts .. | 20:45 |
| alterego | Mozilla screws up some sites that have flash ads >:( | 20:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Flash should die. | 20:46 |
| |R | indeed... | 20:46 |
| * alterego agrees | 20:46 | |
| doc|work | hmmm, so, what package do I install under os2007 to get microb? there seems to be only some localisation packages | 20:46 |
| alterego | I prefer Java applets to flash. | 20:47 |
| doc|work | ugh | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 20:47 |
| alterego | For things that really require client side power. | 20:47 |
| doc|work | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 20:47 |
| alterego | Hah, there's a package called "Operating System" :) | 20:47 |
| doc|work | hmmm, that website design kinda breaks when you don't have its window at a certain res | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's intended for the tablets. | 20:48 |
| doc|work | ah | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it works fine on here. :\ | 20:48 |
| doc|work | so much for device independent web :) | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pft | 20:49 |
| doc|work | hmm, even on my tablet it's broken | 20:49 |
| pupnik | all the web needed was a protocol for client to specify window size in pixels | 20:49 |
| pupnik | imo | 20:49 |
| alterego | I've started using facebook a bit and that renders like crap on the N800 | 20:50 |
| pupnik | so much screwed up on the www | 20:50 |
| doc|work | the main content area over the buttons | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | facebook is so 2006 | 20:50 |
| * Tak ditto alterego @ java vs flash | 20:50 | |
| alterego | You have to zoom out to 80% .. | 20:50 |
| doc|work | pupnik: no, that's kinda pointless seeing as you can't really set the resolution on a device | 20:50 |
| alterego | Tak, and I don't even like Java that much ;) | 20:50 |
| doc|work | what if the device has less pixels than the moron web designer wanted | 20:50 |
| doc|work | liquid layout ftw | 20:50 |
| pupnik | doc|work: for the web site to adapt the layout to your resolution | 20:51 |
| doc|work | pupnik: but then the designer has to create a layout for every resolution | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, liquid layouts are the way to go. | 20:51 |
| doc|work | makes much more sense to have a liquid layout that flows correctly | 20:51 |
| doc|work | indeed | 20:51 |
| pupnik | i think the whole thing is so bass ackwards it's like trying to explain free markets to a marxist | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The terminology just doesn't translate, pupnik. ;) | 20:53 |
| doc|work | and the weird thing about reading that is that I didn't even parse bass ackwards that way, it read fine to me :/ | 20:53 |
| pupnik | :) | 20:53 |
| doc|work | also, 7+ fucking megs for a browser.... | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, when is mplayer going to outdo the Media player in H.264 playback? | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, same here, doc|work. | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't notice until you mentioned it. :P | 20:54 |
| pupnik | i'll finish our browser technology from 1988 sometime | 20:54 |
| pupnik | it was called 'bob' :) | 20:54 |
| doc|work | can you make it so it's not fucking bloated | 20:54 |
| doc|work | 7 megs?! | 20:54 |
| Tak | it's easy to make a browser that's not bloated | 20:54 |
| doc|work | not if its based off netscape :) | 20:55 |
| pupnik | it was basically a primitive flash - we were using it on a BBS in minnesota | 20:55 |
| Tak | wait, you want flash support, java support, and a javascript engine? never mind. | 20:55 |
| L0cutus | any news on xchat on os2008? | 20:55 |
| alterego | Hah | 20:55 |
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| doc|work | the first two are plugins | 20:55 |
| Tak | ...which require a plugin api | 20:55 |
| alterego | I'd settle for JavaScript and Canvas support .. | 20:55 |
| doc|work | right, one api | 20:55 |
| doc|work | and yeah, I'd be happy enough without flash and java :) | 20:55 |
| Tak | lol - it's not like an extension api is three lines of code | 20:56 |
| deejoe | hehe, everyone would settle for just one or two features. take the union of those, and blammo, a big bouncy browser. | 20:56 |
| doc|work | Tak: use perl! | 20:56 |
| * doc|work runs! | 20:56 | |
| alterego | Ruby! | 20:56 |
| Tak | Ruby! | 20:56 |
| alterego | Hell, you can use GtkMozEmbed .. | 20:56 |
| alterego | With Ruby-maemo 0.4.0 | 20:56 |
| alterego | I decided to be a bit cheeky and I added support for libvte and gtkmozembed :) | 20:57 |
| doc|work | so, I just installed this browser, does it overwrite opera? | 20:57 |
| doc|work | or at least take its menu slot? | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 20:57 |
| alterego | So we can now make "Ruby Termz" and "Ruby Webz" :) | 20:57 |
| doc|work | ok, cool | 20:58 |
| * Tak in ur webz, yieldin' ur procs | 20:58 | |
| doc|work | hehehe | 20:58 |
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| * alterego waves good bye to gizmo and skype :) | 20:59 | |
| doc|work | argh, that's not ideal. When you use the stylus to try and drag the page up, you can't be within a fieldset, or it does nothing, which sucks in webapps :/ | 20:59 |
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| captlloyd_ | Hmm | 20:59 |
| alterego | A lot of things suck with the touch scrolling. | 21:00 |
| captlloyd_ | I still can't get the voice chat to work on my N810 | 21:00 |
| alterego | It's probably better to use the hold up/down keys | 21:00 |
| captlloyd_ | I put it outside the NAT firewall , still no sound can be heard and noone hears me | 21:00 |
| alterego | captainigloo, gizmo worked perfectly for me. | 21:00 |
| doc|work | that just goes from input field to field | 21:00 |
| pupnik | ~SPAEA ME MAI LIFE~ \o\ /o/ \o/ _o_ | 21:00 |
| captlloyd_ | Hmm | 21:00 |
| captlloyd_ | I'll try gizmo | 21:00 |
| doc|work | methinks pupnik has been drinkin' | 21:01 |
| captlloyd_ | I was hoping to use the googley one because everyone I know has it already | 21:01 |
| captlloyd_ | heh | 21:01 |
| alterego | I'm gonna make a few cool tablet backgrounds .. | 21:01 |
| doc|work | captlloyd_: use sip | 21:01 |
| captlloyd_ | I don't know anything about sip really | 21:02 |
| captlloyd_ | I know its a protocol that's used for VoIP | 21:02 |
| doc|work | I don't have the name of the client I was using, but it' something like rtcomm or some such | 21:02 |
| captlloyd_ | Ahh | 21:02 |
| captlloyd_ | ok | 21:02 |
| doc|work | that's basically it :) | 21:02 |
| captlloyd_ | I will look into that | 21:02 |
| * doc|work continues to wait for boxwave to send me my damn screen protectors | 21:03 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm doing a climate theme on mine, alterego. Desert for my original, old 770, green hills for the newer 770 and snowy mountains for the N800. | 21:03 |
| doc|work | two 770s? | 21:03 |
| doc|work | work for noka? | 21:04 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, heh. Should you not be going the other way and tracking global warming? :) | 21:04 |
| doc|work | +i | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got one in the woot deal. | 21:04 |
| doc|work | woot deal? | 21:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | $135USD | 21:04 |
| doc|work | o.O | 21:04 |
| doc|work | how?! | 21:04 |
| doc|work | no! don't tell me. Must not buy more shineh! | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's partly a backup battery for my N800 and partly an extra for the couch. | 21:04 |
| alterego | 770's are dirt cheap now. | 21:04 |
| doc|work | that | 21:04 |
| doc|work | is true | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get the N800 from buy.com for $190. | 21:04 |
| alterego | Yeah, N800's are also pretty damn cheap. | 21:05 |
| _Monkey | okay, alterego. | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the other was from November 2005. ;) | 21:05 |
| doc|work | was going to, they don't ship to canada now :/ | 21:05 |
| doc|work | got one in .ca for 264+tax | 21:05 |
| alterego | _Monkey N800 | 21:05 |
| _Monkey | alterego: excuse me? | 21:05 |
| doc|work | not bad really | 21:05 |
| alterego | N800? | 21:05 |
| doc|work | yup | 21:05 |
| alterego | I want to know why he was saying okay to me O_O | 21:05 |
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| doc|work | looks like he'll never know.... | 21:06 |
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| doc|work | you know what's annoying? the on/off button on the n800 :/ | 21:10 |
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| doc|work | wb | 21:10 |
| pupnik | why doc|work ? | 21:11 |
| captlloyd_ | anyone here used the google based voice chat on their N810? | 21:11 |
| pupnik | delay? | 21:11 |
| alterego | That was interesting. | 21:11 |
| doc|work | you have to get your nail in exactly the right place, push it in a good bit | 21:11 |
| doc|work | a slide switch would have been better :/ | 21:11 |
| captlloyd_ | I just tried to switch windows on this laptop by touching the screen, lol | 21:11 |
| doc|work | captlloyd_: haha | 21:11 |
| captlloyd_ | I caught myself when I was about to touch it. | 21:11 |
| captlloyd_ | I was like. "uhh, oh yeah" | 21:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just use your finger tip, doc|work. | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nail isn't necessary. ;) | 21:13 |
| pupnik | doc|work: it'd need to be software controlled regardless - for sync/shutdown and sending sigterm to the running apps | 21:13 |
| pupnik | it's not like psion with nvram or whatever | 21:13 |
| ajturner | was there ever a follow up on when discount codes would be able to be used? | 21:13 |
| Tak | word is ca. 15 dec | 21:14 |
| ajturner | shucks | 21:14 |
| doc|work | GeneralAntilles: perhaps my skinny self has fat fingers :/ | 21:14 |
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| * ajturner was hoping to get it before flight on Dec 10 to china | 21:14 | |
| doc|work | pupnik: there's no reason a slide switch couldn't do that, is there? | 21:15 |
| bill20r3 | the press-and-hold avoids accidental turn-ons, I guess. | 21:16 |
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| Tak | or turn-offs, imo more importantly | 21:17 |
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| bill20r3 | yep. | 21:19 |
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| czr | alterego, send it where? (your serial cable) | 21:19 |
| alterego | czr, you actually have one you can send me? | 21:20 |
| czr | what kind of serial cable are we talking here? | 21:20 |
| alterego | One that'll hook my N800 up. | 21:20 |
| alterego | So I can do cold flashes. | 21:20 |
| czr | to what? | 21:20 |
| czr | ah. no. | 21:20 |
| czr | I don't do bricking cables :-) | 21:21 |
| alterego | Oh well. | 21:21 |
| alterego | Damn you! | 21:21 |
| czr | too late. I'm already involved in maemo | 21:21 |
| bill20r3 | to the little 9-pin port in back? | 21:21 |
| alterego | bill20r3, that's the kitten | 21:21 |
| alterego | Well .. Tiger. | 21:21 |
| bill20r3 | kitten? | 21:21 |
| alterego | Gopher? | 21:21 |
| bill20r3 | *blank look* | 21:21 |
| alterego | ;) | 21:22 |
| alterego | I was just affirming your question ;) | 21:22 |
| bill20r3 | do you really have a cable that fits that port? | 21:22 |
| alterego | No, I want one :P | 21:22 |
| bill20r3 | do they exist? | 21:22 |
| alterego | I hear they do .. In the darkest depths of castle Nokia | 21:22 |
| bill20r3 | I've never seen a pogo-pin connector that size. | 21:23 |
| alterego | Somewhere in the heart of Finland. | 21:23 |
| bill20r3 | I guess you'd have to source the pins, and make it yourself. | 21:23 |
| * bill20r3 eyes digikey catalog. | 21:23 | |
| * czr is betting on sweden | 21:23 | |
| alterego | Heh | 21:23 |
| czr | "no one will ever know to look for them in here" | 21:23 |
| czr | basement of ericsson hq | 21:23 |
| bill20r3 | behind the door with the 'beware of leopard' sign? | 21:24 |
| czr | neh, the one with "before, life beyond" -sign | 21:24 |
| czr | beware even | 21:24 |
| * czr has to wake up properly yet. | 21:25 | |
| czr | "no one will ever dare to open this door" | 21:25 |
| keesj | are the pins described in the pdfs? | 21:25 |
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| bill20r3 | http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T073/P0463.pdf | 21:26 |
| bill20r3 | not that I've seen, but I haven't really looked much. | 21:26 |
| czr | _Monkey, mxr? | 21:26 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that mxr is mozilla cross reference, maintained by timeless, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test has a number of references including garage, sardine, and chinook | 21:26 |
| bill20r3 | I see digikey has individual spring-loaded pins, so you could probably make a suitable connector, with some effort. | 21:27 |
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| toresbe | hrm | 21:27 |
| toresbe | are there any MP4 players for the N800, then? | 21:27 |
| keesj | btw downloading itos2008 from nokia as we speak | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, Media player, toresbe? | 21:29 |
| _|Nix|_ | Wow ... repository.maemo.org is sloooooow .. | 21:29 |
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| * czr dances around his local mirror of repository. | 21:32 | |
| toresbe | GeneralAntilles: MP supports MP4? | 21:32 |
| toresbe | oh, cool. :) | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 21:32 |
| czr | alterego, read bug #2383 | 21:32 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2383 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2383 | 21:32 |
| toresbe | I'm used to it supporting pretty much nothing of use :P | 21:32 |
| * czr is having some fun :-) | 21:32 | |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget ah | 21:34 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot ah | 21:34 |
| timelyx | _Monkey ah is <reply> | 21:34 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 21:34 |
| czr | timelyx, evenink. feel free to look at the bug as well :-) | 21:34 |
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| guerby | wow tablets-dev.nokia.com is kinda slow | 21:34 |
| Tak | yay, fceu runs on chinook | 21:34 |
| guerby | everyone is downloading the new OS2008 for N800? | 21:34 |
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| konttori | Hey, has mplayer been improved at all (from the extras-devel)? | 21:35 |
| _|Nix|_ | /window 2 | 21:35 |
| _|Nix|_ | Oops ... | 21:35 |
| matt_c | whee, timed out again | 21:35 |
| pupnik | it can hardly be improved | 21:36 |
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| alterego | Erm .. | 21:37 |
| alterego | extras-devel should be at least up-to-date if not newer than the extras version. | 21:37 |
| alterego | There's a little devil on my shoulder telling my to take my N800 apart. | 21:38 |
| sp3000 | czr: that's ...odd, why doesn't it do sources.list.d/maemo-repository like normal people do | 21:39 |
| sp3000 | er, sources.list.d/maemo-repository.list even, iirc | 21:39 |
| konttori | chinook mplayer it just so awfully slow atm (at least my version - and repositories are completely jammed) | 21:40 |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i have a list of packages that changed | 21:40 |
| timelyx | it's fairly short | 21:40 |
| czr | sp3000, hmm. good point. does apt honor those directories on the SDK? | 21:40 |
| sp3000 | I should hope so :) | 21:40 |
| alterego | Yeah, maemo.org isn't very good with 1+ simultaneous connections. | 21:40 |
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| czr | sp3000, maybe I'll test if I have the time/energy. don't have a working SDK atm. | 21:41 |
| czr | alterego, don't be so harsh :-) at least it works with 1+ :-) | 21:41 |
| alterego | czr, what happened to all your vmware stoof? | 21:41 |
| czr | alterego, what about it? | 21:41 |
| czr | ah. I've compressed the vms in order to make more space on the vm-server | 21:41 |
| alterego | "don't have a working SDK atm." :P | 21:41 |
| alterego | Ah | 21:41 |
| czr | building a new one | 21:41 |
| alterego | It's a shame the flasher can't do the opposite. | 21:42 |
| alterego | I need a vacuum | 21:42 |
| sp3000 | [sbox-maemo4-arm: ~] > echo dec http://your.mom/ ha ha > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ha.list | 21:42 |
| alterego | OR a sucker. | 21:42 |
| czr | if anyone has spare >750GiB disks lying around, you know that I could use them :-) | 21:42 |
| sp3000 | [sbox-maemo4-arm: ~] > apt-get update | 21:42 |
| sp3000 | Failed to fetch http://your.mom/dists/ha/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'your.mom' | 21:42 |
| czr | sp3000, cool. 4.0? | 21:42 |
| alterego | .mom isn't a tld | 21:42 |
| czr | alterego, it is for some | 21:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:43 |
| sp3000 | czr: something like that | 21:43 |
| czr | sp3000, any idea when repo.maemo.org will get Release.gpg? :-) | 21:43 |
| czr | sp3000, I'll add that to the bug-report. might as well since it won't be fixed ;-) | 21:43 |
| sp3000 | also, I copied the wrong line, the right line was s/dec/deb/ :) | 21:43 |
| alterego | I wonder if Nokia were anticipating all of this commotion with the updating :/ | 21:43 |
| alterego | The Maemo community is like a big mob. | 21:44 |
| czr | sp3000, what, you mean installing debs is cooler than installing new decimals! say it ain't so! | 21:44 |
| czr | alterego, true that :-) | 21:44 |
| czr | a pool of pirahnas | 21:44 |
| alterego | :) | 21:44 |
| alterego | I wonder what makes maemo so different to other communities, like symbian. | 21:45 |
| alterego | I guess it's the "open" nature of the project. | 21:45 |
| alterego | That and we have _one_ platform, limited device range and they're all Nokia. | 21:45 |
| czr | I guess people expect to have more control about things than they do with closed stuff | 21:46 |
| czr | and are more likely to complain about things that don't work | 21:46 |
| czr | I'd really take it as a positive feedback step. if there wouldn't be any complaints, you'd no that no one cares about your system. | 21:47 |
| keesj | they get a place to complain | 21:47 |
| alterego | Yeah, I guess also, we're used to buggy OSS software or incomplete feature sets. So we want new OS releases every day :) | 21:47 |
| czr | you'd know even. | 21:47 |
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| guerby | at last the site answered | 21:47 |
| alterego | Wow, you must be the chosen one. Try talking to God next guerby | 21:48 |
| keesj | we are unhappy with a finished OS ,we want to keep developing | 21:48 |
| guerby | 17 kB/s ... | 21:48 |
| alterego | Pfft, maemo is far from finished :P | 21:48 |
| keesj | that's good! | 21:48 |
| keesj | and when it's done , lets redo it using e17! | 21:48 |
| czr | sp3000, appended to the bug. nice one. I didn't know apt supported modular conf-files. | 21:49 |
| timelyx | czr: it has for a while | 21:49 |
| * timelyx has used it for a while | 21:49 | |
| * alterego vomits. | 21:49 | |
| czr | yeah, but I've not seen it used anywhere | 21:49 |
| alterego | e17 is so not practical .. | 21:49 |
| timelyx | i can't remember why i used it, but i did | 21:49 |
| alterego | For any device. Let alone tablets. | 21:49 |
| doc|work | me is using e17 on his desktpo | 21:49 |
| doc|work | typing-- | 21:49 |
| czr | there was a boy-band from england called 'east 17' ages ago | 21:49 |
| timelyx | oh, i know | 21:49 |
| timelyx | it was when i wanted to merge ubuntu+debian+something | 21:50 |
| czr | e17 always reminds me of them. they had some really annoying song too. | 21:50 |
| timelyx | i just added extras instead of hacking a singleton | 21:50 |
| alterego | czr, yeah. ;) Full of ponses ;) | 21:50 |
| * Tak using e17 as well | 21:50 | |
| alterego | Argh! You're all posers! | 21:50 |
| doc|work | I'm not sure why e17 is far from practical | 21:50 |
| alterego | :P | 21:50 |
| doc|work | why is it? | 21:50 |
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| czr | doc|home, it is much shorter word. | 21:50 |
| alterego | Too much eye candy not enough function IMO | 21:50 |
| doc|work | what functionality is missing? | 21:51 |
| keesj | I am sure I am going to spend moost of the time just clicking canola around! | 21:51 |
| konttori | but the ecore/evas is pretty cool stuff | 21:51 |
| alterego | If I say something I'll end up looking like an idiot because I've not used e17 in over a year :P | 21:51 |
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| keesj | entrance is also cool | 21:51 |
| doc|work | entrance is really nice | 21:51 |
| alterego | Regardless. We need a new GTK | 21:51 |
| czr | hah. ran into a race in bugzilla for the first time ever | 21:52 |
| alterego | We need a Ruby centric graphical toolkit. | 21:52 |
| czr | someone added themselves into the cc-list while I was adding a comment! | 21:52 |
| czr | weird that bugzilla decided that my comment should either overwrite the prev changes or be discarded completely. | 21:52 |
| alterego | :/ | 21:52 |
| timelyx | czr: comments won't be wiped out | 21:52 |
| timelyx | the reason for it is to protect you from | 21:53 |
| czr | timelyx, I got the impression from the two choices that I got. | 21:53 |
| timelyx | "ccing foopy because foopy needs to know" | 21:53 |
| timelyx | but if foopy just cc'd | 21:53 |
| timelyx | then well, your comment would look stupid :) | 21:53 |
| czr | but foopy didn't add any comments. only cc:ed himself. | 21:53 |
| keesj | alterego: new GTK? | 21:53 |
| timelyx | czr: yeah, the text isn't very smart | 21:53 |
| doc|work | because being called foopy isn't bad enough? | 21:53 |
| alterego | keesj, I didn't mean literall "gimp tool kit" I meant "graphical toolkit". Something that is neither GTK or Qt .. | 21:54 |
| czr | timelyx, and it's not a problem. just haven't run across this before. copy-pasted my comment to safety and reopened the bug-view and added the text back, no biggie. | 21:54 |
| czr | alterego, QTK? | 21:54 |
| doc|work | java, with swt, on wince | 21:54 |
| alterego | NTK | 21:54 |
| alterego | :) | 21:54 |
| czr | "combines the complexity of Qt bindings, Tk silliness and GTK callgraph depth into one nice package" | 21:54 |
| [pablo]_ | anyone here try the new 2008 on the n800? | 21:54 |
| keesj | lol | 21:55 |
| alterego | [pablo]_, yes. I'm using it right now. | 21:55 |
| timelyx | czr: nice | 21:55 |
| czr | alterego, you have the beta? | 21:55 |
| guerby | [pablo]_, well first step is to download it :) | 21:55 |
| keesj | [pablo]_: downloading as we speak.... (13 minutes to go) | 21:55 |
| alterego | czr, OS2008 beta? | 21:55 |
| czr | timeless, one toolkit to rule them all :-) | 21:55 |
| czr | alterego, yeah, the official OS2008 for N800 | 21:55 |
| czr | not the OS2008 meant for N810. | 21:55 |
| alterego | czr, yeah, installed it a little under an hour ago. | 21:55 |
| keesj | the next popular toolkit will be vector based and will use 3d hardware | 21:56 |
| czr | alterego, right. just checking. it's working? | 21:56 |
| alterego | Yeah, works fine. | 21:56 |
| czr | keesj, you mean postscript? | 21:56 |
| [pablo]_ | good to hear it's not bricking devices =) | 21:56 |
| doc|work | funky " | 21:56 |
| doc|work | bah, stupid X cp-paste | 21:56 |
| keesj | yes postscript + javascript ajap | 21:56 |
| alterego | czr, slight niggle. When it starts up in R&D mode. The verbose text that displays states RX44 | 21:56 |
| timelyx | heh | 21:56 |
| czr | alterego, open a bug :-) | 21:56 |
| timelyx | yeah, seriously | 21:57 |
| czr | alterego, it's beta after all. I guess this time they want bugs | 21:57 |
| alterego | I was contemplating it. | 21:57 |
| doc|work | when you send an email in evolution it now checks for keywords that indicate it should have an attachment and warns you if there isn't one | 21:57 |
| czr | do it. | 21:57 |
| timelyx | that's why it's a beta :) | 21:57 |
| czr | timelyx, did you notice that the release announcement didn't actually ask people to report bugs :-) | 21:57 |
| alterego | I'll just check to be sure first ;) | 21:57 |
| czr | "if we won't ask them to do it, maybe they'll leave us alone?" | 21:57 |
| timelyx | czr: heh | 21:57 |
| alterego | czr, I think in the small print they said. (Don't talk to us anymore, we're all losing hair) | 21:57 |
| K`zan | czr: Got ubuntu installed finally, apparently, amoungst other things, there is a problem with adept, stuff that failed in that went fine in aptitude cli :-). Also snapshotted it immediately after getting everything "right" :-). Should be able to get on with the sdk now! | 21:57 |
| timelyx | i didn't really get around to reading the announcement | 21:58 |
| czr | K`zan, cool. good luck :-). I only use apt-get/dpkg on the command line anyway :-) | 21:58 |
| alterego | czr, I was mistaken. (osso-RX-44) | 21:58 |
| czr | alterego, that's even better :-) | 21:58 |
| alterego | It's the initfs release version | 21:58 |
| alterego | I think the 44 is the week. | 21:58 |
| czr | but I guess that's not critical tough. since it's r&r mode after all | 21:58 |
| alterego | That's why I got confused. | 21:59 |
| timelyx | r&r? | 21:59 |
| czr | heh. not the first time timelyx :-) | 21:59 |
| czr | rest & recreation -mode! | 21:59 |
| K`zan | New 2008 *for* the n800? Hummm :-). | 21:59 |
| alterego | b&r brick and research | 21:59 |
| timelyx | i'm pretty sure that 44 is week number, i'd assume it's the hardware model | 21:59 |
| alterego | K`zan, yeah. Good luck downloading it ;) | 21:59 |
| czr | K`zan, beta yes. | 21:59 |
| [pablo]_ | is it getting slammed? | 21:59 |
| alterego | czr, it doesn't say beta anywhere on the box :P | 22:00 |
| czr | RX-44 is the product code for N810 | 22:00 |
| K`zan | alterego: Will keep an eye on it, 2007 is doing fine ATM :-). | 22:00 |
| czr | alterego, osso- :-) | 22:00 |
| doc|work | is os2008 out for the n800? | 22:00 |
| czr | osso means beta. | 22:00 |
| alterego | czr, well. I don't know what it's supposed to mean. | 22:00 |
| czr | like libosso. you know. | 22:00 |
| keesj | K`zan: booooooooooo | 22:00 |
| czr | and all those foobar-2.1_1osso4 packages and such | 22:00 |
| alterego | The line was: "initfs version: osso-RX-44 OS2008SE-44" | 22:00 |
| alterego | Or something like that. | 22:01 |
| K`zan | SE? | 22:01 |
| czr | it comes from finnish. "en ossoo" (I don't know how, using some weird dialect) | 22:01 |
| keesj | "software edition" ? | 22:01 |
| l7 | damn, i love the stowaway keyboard! | 22:01 |
| K`zan | Substandard Edition? | 22:01 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:01 |
| K`zan | :-) | 22:01 |
| keesj | Singles Edition | 22:01 |
| K`zan | vs XP ;-) | 22:01 |
| K`zan | eXcellent Edition :-) LOL. | 22:01 |
| K`zan | No relation to wincrap :-) :-) :-) | 22:02 |
| alterego | eXploit Edition .. | 22:02 |
| czr | hah. the vmware image torrent should be much better now! | 22:02 |
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| K`zan | Gizmo is abending on 2007, not sure what that is about yet. Did a full shutdown and restart (reboot?) last night so we'll see... | 22:02 |
| czr | a friend is running a semipermanent client on a fast network now | 22:03 |
| czr | so if anyone wants it, you can actually get it now. | 22:03 |
| czr | what is gizmo anyway? | 22:03 |
| _Monkey | i heard gizmo was sip compliant | 22:03 |
| K`zan | Big draw with 2008 with SIP built in... | 22:03 |
| czr | ah. | 22:03 |
| K`zan | SIP client - propritary :-( | 22:03 |
| czr | I've seen the icon, but it reminds me of KDE with the "wheel" | 22:04 |
| K`zan | Only SIP client for 2007 that I know of. | 22:04 |
| K`zan | Not sure skype qualifies - same problem - proprietary... | 22:04 |
| sp3000 | oh, someone released something | 22:04 |
| sp3000 | interesting :) | 22:04 |
| czr | sp3000, "oops"? :-) | 22:05 |
| K`zan | When gizmo works, it works pretty well... | 22:05 |
| sp3000 | yeah I didn't get that far in the news this morning, or whenever | 22:05 |
| keesj | I would settle for skype + video (skype video is beta under linux atm) | 22:05 |
| czr | it would be nice to have a bot that'd announce important news on the channel automatically | 22:05 |
| keesj | booth gizmo and skype have the problem that they don't get started as applet | 22:06 |
| doc|work | rtcomm supports sip, integrates nicely too | 22:06 |
| doc|work | although I've yet to use it | 22:06 |
| sp3000 | czr: bugs feed, planet feed, yes | 22:06 |
| doc|work | it sits there all logged in and stuff :) | 22:07 |
| czr | sp3000, yup. just not the short one-liners that used to end up on the front-page of maemo.org | 22:07 |
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| sp3000 | I don't have an ircable 24h host to run things on | 22:08 |
| czr | I do, but want to run anything :-) | 22:08 |
| czr | +don't. | 22:08 |
| doc|work | would RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin be the correct name of the new image for os2008? | 22:08 |
| K`zan | tried to install rtcomm last night on the n800 and it didn't work, uninstalling it left the installer in the menu too :-(. | 22:08 |
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| doc|work | K`zan: weird, works for me | 22:09 |
| doc|work | (the install) | 22:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | K`zan, under OS2008? | 22:09 |
| alterego | doc|home, looks believable. | 22:09 |
| K`zan | Damnifiknow, the installer ran and appeared to install the installer, but I never found it anywhere... | 22:09 |
| K`zan | 2007 | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just put OS2008 on there already. :P | 22:09 |
| K`zan | rtcomm itself that is. | 22:09 |
| K`zan | I know, but then I loose the rest of my apps. | 22:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which would you be missing? | 22:10 |
| K`zan | Stuff didn't work right a lot under 2008 for the 810, perhaps better on the one for the n800 | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | xchat is the only one I feel the loss of. | 22:10 |
| doc|work | if anyone's looking for a mirror, internettablettalk.com has a link to one (which I won't post here as I don't know how right that would be) | 22:10 |
| K`zan | rtcomm itself, but maybe it integrates into contacts - will have to try it again. | 22:10 |
| konttori | xchat is for n810 | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a release for OS2008? | 22:11 |
| doc|work | GeneralAntilles: yep | 22:11 |
| konttori | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 22:11 |
| K`zan | Only thing I found was the installer. Even after uninstalling it, it is still in the menu :-(. | 22:11 |
| doc|work | er, actually, ignore my comment | 22:11 |
| K`zan | :-) | 22:11 |
| czr | doc|home, can you post a link to the page that has the link? :-) | 22:12 |
| * doc|work goes back to lurking | 22:12 | |
| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: so um, do you care for a delta? | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | delta? | 22:12 |
| K`zan | It also seems to have loaded a duplicate repository in application manager - seems the right one was already there. | 22:12 |
| timelyx | package list changes between 42-18 and 44-4 | 22:12 |
| doc|work | it's the one called "Nokia Releses OS2008 Beta for the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet" :) | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, sure, if it's not any trouble, timelyx. :) | 22:13 |
| keesj | os2008 is sexy... !!! | 22:13 |
| K`zan | I assume settings saved under 2007 are of no use in 2008? | 22:13 |
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| konttori | they work just fine | 22:13 |
| konttori | I suggest restoring backup from 2007 | 22:13 |
| konttori | you can even restore from 2006 safely, but there are some problems restoring 2005 backups | 22:13 |
| K`zan | That sure would save some time setting everything up again! | 22:14 |
| doc|work | I think I'll wait a month or so, until more apps are ported | 22:14 |
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| doc|work | although I like the idea of a speed bump :/ | 22:14 |
| konttori | 2008 even has the first time experience of asking you on first boot whether you want to restore if it sees old backups on your SD | 22:14 |
| K`zan | doc|work: Sounds reasonable to me, big jump in 2008 apps lately! | 22:14 |
| doc|work | cool | 22:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I haven't felt any issues with Application Lack. :) | 22:15 |
| K`zan | 21 to 26 IIRC in just a couple days :-)! Yow, make that 32 - just checked :)! | 22:15 |
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| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Probably true, most of what I have loaded I *really* don't *need* :-). | 22:16 |
| doc|work | dam you all! | 22:16 |
| doc|work | *damn | 22:16 |
| konttori | ahh... repository.maemo.org is responsive again | 22:16 |
| K`zan | Thank you :). | 22:16 |
| konttori | and now I can tell from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/ | 22:16 |
| K`zan | konttori: That seems to be REAL common here. | 22:16 |
| konttori | that mplayer hasn't been updated since 21.11. shame | 22:16 |
| konttori | that version just blows in performance. | 22:16 |
| K`zan | Sometimes is it quick, mostly late at night here. | 22:16 |
| K`zan | Otherwise, you just leave it crank on in a spare tab. | 22:17 |
| konttori | yeah. so odd | 22:17 |
| K`zan | Eventually it will respond. | 22:17 |
| K`zan | Assume it is some net.vagarity here on the west coast USA. | 22:17 |
| K`zan | I assume... | 22:17 |
| Veggen | oh, official os2008 for n800? maybe I should upgrade, too. | 22:18 |
| * K`zan his having a hard time resisting :). | 22:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Do it. | 22:18 |
| Veggen | yah, beta. I can read too :) | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no reason not to. | 22:18 |
| K`zan | *beta* | 22:19 |
| K`zan | But... | 22:19 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... but is the charging status same as being connected to the cord? | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not a reason! | 22:19 |
| alterego | Only Quim says it's a beta. | 22:19 |
| alterego | I think he's trying to trick us all :P | 22:19 |
| K`zan | Without people trying it, it ain't gonna get out of beta :). | 22:19 |
| alterego | That's not why it's beta. | 22:19 |
| K`zan | So.... | 22:19 |
| * pupnik will bring cookies to maemo team and beers and pizza and clean the kitchen | 22:19 | |
| alterego | I'd imagine it's because skype isn't finished yet. | 22:19 |
| guerby | download still at 23% of OS2008... | 22:20 |
| alterego | And the issue with navicore. Not to mention they want N800 OS2008 to be released after N810 gets properly launched I'd imagine. | 22:20 |
| K`zan | pupnik is a good guy(TM) :-) | 22:20 |
| doc|work | so, contentious question perhaps, why is there no usb charging? :/ | 22:20 |
| Veggen | I don't use skype. | 22:20 |
| K`zan | I might use skype for the 3 month freebie that came in the box :). | 22:20 |
| pupnik | don't know doc|work | 22:20 |
| alterego | Veggen, doesn't matter. It's part of the IT OS release and it's not ready yet. | 22:20 |
| Veggen | I actually hate skype. I hate that it's about to be a synonym for "home voip" :) | 22:20 |
| doc|work | Veggen: SIP ftw | 22:20 |
| doc|work | I've gotten my mother to use ekiga on windows :) | 22:21 |
| Veggen | yah, but too many ip telephones are really skype handsets, and people does not know better. | 22:21 |
| alterego | Make something free and they'll notice it .. | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody with a Thinkoutside/iGo keyboard want to tell me how to power it off so I can use the onscreen board again? :( | 22:22 |
| K`zan | Yes, SIP/VOIP is a damn confusing area... | 22:22 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, throw it out of the window. | 22:22 |
| alterego | Oh my god .. I just quoted czr .. | 22:22 |
| K`zan | Got Twinkle going on my roomies machine, but getting audio sorted out for it seems to be a can of worms :-(. | 22:23 |
| * czr is proud of alterego | 22:23 | |
| K`zan | Worse things you could quote :-). | 22:23 |
| czr | solution to all problems alterego :-) | 22:23 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:23 |
| guerby | GeneralAntilles, I don't remember if I opened a bugzilla to have the option of switching quickly from virtual to real kbd | 22:23 |
| guerby | GeneralAntilles, but I share your issue | 22:23 |
| _|Nix|_ | Pop quiz: Anyone know of any bad press regarding HP pavilions? My sis wants to buy one. | 22:24 |
| * K`zan stays away from HP anymore and builds her own... | 22:24 | |
| timelyx | _|Nix|_: they're ok, but as w/ most, the customizations suck | 22:24 |
| _|Nix|_ | K`zan: You build your own laptops? | 22:24 |
| timelyx | (hardware buttons) | 22:24 |
| K`zan | Err, no desktops, with ANY laptop it is a crapshoot. But I *DO* avoid Gateway now... | 22:25 |
| doc|work | building your own would still be way more hassle than I'd be prepared to put up with. THe only advantage is no windows, which is why I bought a n800 over a cheap laptop | 22:25 |
| K`zan | n800 with a good BT (usb?) keyboard == good enough laptop... | 22:26 |
| maddler | evening all... | 22:26 |
| konttori | this is just so hilarious: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7108835.stm | 22:26 |
| konttori | m/s explorer crashed ;) | 22:26 |
| doc|work | aye, but can anyone suggest a decent, reasonably priced, bt keyboard? | 22:26 |
| K`zan | Now that I am looking for a USB keyboard at the thrift store to try out on the n800, there are none to be found LOL! | 22:27 |
| doc|work | konttori: hahahaha | 22:27 |
| maddler | quick question... I was trying to get root on N800.OS2008... "rootme" password is not working anymore... any clue? :O | 22:27 |
| K`zan | "Reasonably Priced" seems to be the issue.... | 22:27 |
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| maddler | or am I totally dumb? | 22:27 |
| alterego | Who was it doing the PowerVR backward engineering? | 22:27 |
| K`zan | maddler: sudo gainroot IIRC | 22:27 |
| konttori | alterego: how so? was someone doing it? | 22:28 |
| maddler | K`zan: yep... also... but using SSH you were able to get root w/o having R&D mode enabled... | 22:28 |
| K`zan | Yeah, it is a bit confusing... | 22:28 |
| alterego | konttori, yeah. They were poking around with some drivers trying to see how they worked. | 22:28 |
| konttori | really? sounds great! Did they make any progress? | 22:29 |
| derf | konttori: Haha, "has been listing for hours"... I often get that same problem | 22:29 |
| doc|work | hehe | 22:29 |
| maddler | K`zan: and also... "rootme" was working on N810 fiasco image... | 22:29 |
| K`zan | maddler: I had a fair number of problems with 2008 for the n810, so I went back to 2007 :-/. | 22:29 |
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| alterego | konttori, a bit. I was more interested in what they were planning on doing next. Hence why I'm asking now :) | 22:29 |
| * K`zan has an n800... | 22:29 | |
| konttori | who are the reverse engineering people? | 22:30 |
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| maddler | K`zan: same here (beside I hadn't too many issues)... | 22:30 |
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| K`zan | maddler: Still, overall I LOVE the thing :). | 22:30 |
| K`zan | Everyone that sees it is really facinated :-) :-) :-). | 22:30 |
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| alterego | konttori, that's why I was asking :P | 22:31 |
| konttori | ahh... ok. I really don't know, although I can easily understand the idea to do it. I would love to have 3d acceleration working on the device | 22:32 |
| doc|work | my housemate bought an ipod touch | 22:32 |
| K`zan | And impressed with the display... VERY impressed. | 22:32 |
| doc|work | then bitched for the night as he couldn't copy his drm'd wma files onto it :D | 22:32 |
| alterego | konttori, I think everyone would ;) | 22:32 |
| doc|work | defaults++ | 22:32 |
| K`zan | Lots of that going on, I can't even copy *my own* stuff on my phone. | 22:33 |
| K`zan | <spit> | 22:33 |
| alterego | doc|home, you can un-DRM WMA but it loses quality .. | 22:33 |
| doc|work | open formats ftw | 22:33 |
| konttori | http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/006/12/quake3_n93.htm | 22:33 |
| alterego | You should have pointed, laughed and said: "That's what you get for using DRM idiot!" | 22:33 |
| konttori | powervr on n93 -> quake 3 | 22:33 |
| K`zan | And people wonder why I quit supporting the "entertainment" mafias.... | 22:33 |
| doc|work | alterego: yeah, he did something about changing the file ending to m4a or something and then copying it over. Maybe apple licensed the drm or something | 22:33 |
| K`zan | GOOD indies are out there but hard to find. | 22:34 |
| doc|work | indies? | 22:34 |
| doc|work | ah, yes | 22:34 |
| K`zan | Independant musicians.... | 22:34 |
| K`zan | Not associated with the mafias.... | 22:34 |
| K`zan | Cheaper, better, open... | 22:34 |
| doc|work | well, fwiw I'm currently working on a site which will be all the things that people want in a music sales site | 22:34 |
| konttori | ahh.. it's not on the n93 but on dell. damn. sorry for the false link | 22:34 |
| K`zan | Heh | 22:35 |
| doc|work | going into beta soon to allow artists to upload their stuff | 22:35 |
| K`zan | Good on ya doc|work just watch out for the *IAA thugs... | 22:35 |
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| sp3000 | hrm | 22:35 |
| alterego | konttori, I've seen QIII run on symbian phones ;) | 22:35 |
| alterego | it's on the imgtec site. | 22:35 |
| sp3000 | I have a problem | 22:35 |
| sp3000 | you can't eat sql | 22:35 |
| doc|work | they'll have nothing on us, there'll be no reason for them to touch us. It will be indie bands, at least at the start. | 22:35 |
| konttori | ahh... cool | 22:36 |
| K`zan | doc|work: they don't need a reason beyond "Wanna(TM)", they got FAR more lawyers than you can afford - win or loose. | 22:36 |
| doc|work | K`zan: oh, and it helps than we're not in the US :) | 22:36 |
| K`zan | doc|work: That would help :) | 22:37 |
| K`zan | I worked in that field when I was a lot younger and I have no compulsion in calling it a mafia, because it IS. | 22:37 |
| doc|work | yup | 22:38 |
| K`zan | And I am being kind.... | 22:38 |
| K`zan | WAY kind. | 22:38 |
| doc|work | one of my own personal joys in this will be if record companies lose artist contracts | 22:38 |
| doc|work | we're making it all about the artist, labels will be catered for but there'll really not be much point to them | 22:39 |
| K`zan | Yep, get rid of those thugs and perhaps we'll get music worth listening to again. | 22:39 |
| pupnik | like Beatallica | 22:39 |
| * doc|work spits | 22:39 | |
| pupnik | The Thing That Should Not (let it) Be | 22:39 |
| * K`zan is an old fart... | 22:39 | |
| * doc|work hates metallica :) | 22:39 | |
| * alterego starts working on a geeky IT community site. | 22:39 | |
| K`zan | Noise != music. | 22:39 |
| pupnik | Yeah but this is beatles music mixed with metallica | 22:39 |
| K`zan | Living in the home of grunge, I feel qualifed to comment :). | 22:40 |
| derf | That can't be legal. | 22:40 |
| pupnik | it's horrible! | 22:40 |
| alterego | K`zan, I guess me and my mom disagree with you :P | 22:40 |
| K`zan | alterego: That is what it is all about and why there is so much "music" :-) | 22:40 |
| pupnik | I love it | 22:40 |
| konttori | this is what you can get with the powerv VR that is on n800: http://justamp.blogspot.com/2007/11/nokia-n82-running-futuremarks-spmark.html | 22:40 |
| K`zan | To each their own, I just wish people would quit supporting the mafias... | 22:40 |
| doc|work | hey, different people, different tastes. Choice++ | 22:40 |
| maddler | doh... netstat is kinda buggy... | 22:40 |
| alterego | konttori, you hope. The tablet screens are a _lot_ bigger. | 22:41 |
| konttori | no problem. I would assume the fillrate is not the problem | 22:41 |
| konttori | n800 could also be in 2x pixel mode. | 22:41 |
| konttori | it would be just fine for games | 22:41 |
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| guerby | 5 kb/s download... | 22:43 |
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| maddler | I gave a try to spmark on my E90... and if it will be possibile to achieve same results on N8*0... well... sounds kinda good... | 22:43 |
| VRe__ | I have some issues with the os2008 and the menu.. I install a bit of software and I end up scrolling around the menu.. that is not userfriendly | 22:43 |
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| doc|work | VRe__: using the stylus? | 22:43 |
| VRe__ | thumb or stylus.. the menu is the same | 22:44 |
| maddler | VRe__: indeed.. I prefer small icons/fonts | 22:44 |
| doc|work | VRe__: the rows are equally big? | 22:44 |
| VRe__ | doc|work: there is room for 6 rows | 22:44 |
| VRe__ | if there is 7 then you need to scroll with these big fat buttons | 22:44 |
| doc|work | sounds like a bug, but I'm a relative noob here | 22:45 |
| VRe__ | So if I add new Games submenu, I end up scrolling at the main level | 22:45 |
| VRe__ | It is not a but, it is a design failure | 22:45 |
| VRe__ | bug | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | 7 items would make me happy. | 22:46 |
| * konttori installed spmark on n81 and is running it | 22:46 | |
| konttori | (the one on the video) | 22:46 |
| doc|work | oh wait, 7 items at the top and then the folders underneath? | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, perhaps, subfolders (again). | 22:46 |
| VRe__ | works ok, if there is no more software that the default set, but I had 3 times as much on os2007.. that a way too much scrolling around | 22:46 |
| doc|work | VRe__: when you use the stylus, are you getting the normal fat finger menu? | 22:47 |
| VRe__ | os2008 there is only one menu | 22:47 |
| * konttori hopes the spmark is not using pwervr. as the rendering looks like it's done on software | 22:47 | |
| VRe__ | "fat finger" menu | 22:47 |
| doc|work | :) | 22:47 |
| doc|work | that seems odd, is that really meant to be like that? | 22:47 |
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| konttori | 85 680 triangles / second. That's lousy. | 22:48 |
| VRe__ | Probably there is some tick to turn to get it slimmer .. lets go command o line.. | 22:48 |
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| konttori | You should be able to change that in gtkrc | 22:50 |
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| geoffeg | dang, Kingston won't ship out my replacement 8GB SD card immediately, out of stock | 22:55 |
| * konttori is trying out the e3 nokia demo (the kick ass demo) | 22:56 | |
| doc|work | then they're entitled to ship the closest equivalent :) | 22:56 |
| geoffeg | doc|work: i bought their highest capacity, fastest card.. | 22:56 |
| konttori | aww... it won't run on n81. damn | 22:56 |
| doc|work | geoffeg: that sucks :/ | 22:57 |
| geoffeg | doc|work: i'm quite aware.. i sorta wanna wait until i get the card back to go with OS2008 | 22:57 |
| geoffeg | so is anyone working on porting xchat? | 22:57 |
| geoffeg | s/porting/recompiling/ | 22:58 |
| infobot | geoffeg meant: so is anyone working on recompiling xchat? | 22:58 |
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| K`zan | Blazing download for 2008se, 4k/s :-). | 22:58 |
| geoffeg | in other words: i wonder if i should tyr it. | 22:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 22:58 |
| geoffeg | question answered :) | 22:58 |
| geoffeg | is there some app that people have been clamoring for that has been abandoned by the developer? | 22:59 |
| K`zan | jpilot :) | 22:59 |
| doc|work | geoffeg: any mpd client :) | 22:59 |
| geoffeg | mpd? | 22:59 |
| doc|work | music player daemon | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmpc | 23:00 |
| geoffeg | ah | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|work | 23:00 |
| doc|work | GeneralAntilles: according to the site there's no installer for it | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Newly refreshed and overhauled for OS2008 | 23:00 |
| konttori | heh. n81 vs n95.: http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14567&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 | 23:01 |
| geoffeg | does OS2008's RSS reader have an option to "mark all feeds as read"? | 23:01 |
| K`zan | geoffeg: I can't imagine that being optional, but dunno. | 23:02 |
| geoffeg | k`zan: AFAIK it doesn't exist in 2007 | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, doc|work, I just installed it. | 23:02 |
| K`zan | geoffeg: That could end up being a lot of work without it with any quantity of feeds, ewwww.\ | 23:03 |
| geoffeg | i'm checking again in 2007 | 23:04 |
| doc|work | GeneralAntilles: hmmm, ok, I just looked at http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/ and saw missing install file | 23:04 |
| K`zan | haven't gotten around to setting that up here, thrashing between 2007 and 2008... | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras, I think. | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just install 2008, already. <_< | 23:05 |
| K`zan | LOL | 23:05 |
| K`zan | Downloading it now... | 23:05 |
| doc|work | hehe | 23:05 |
| doc|work | maybe tonight | 23:05 |
| K`zan | at 110 baud acoustical speeds :-) | 23:05 |
| K`zan | Might as well go get some chow. | 23:06 |
| doc|work | yeah, just like maemo.org :/ | 23:06 |
| K`zan | If these things really get popular, those sites are going to get to be a problem. | 23:06 |
| K`zan | For us geeks, we can wait :-). | 23:06 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey forget but | 23:07 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot but | 23:07 |
| timelyx | _Monkey but is <reply> | 23:07 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 23:07 |
| konttori | Nokia should start torrenting ;) | 23:08 |
| * konttori was only partially kidding | 23:08 | |
| K`zan | ewwww, that is generally even slower... | 23:08 |
| bill20r3 | they should. | 23:08 |
| K`zan | Or has been whenever I tried it. | 23:08 |
| konttori | Since when? | 23:08 |
| konttori | torrents share the load. the method is genius. | 23:09 |
| K`zan | Was faster to find a site with it and do it direct. | 23:09 |
| K`zan | So it would appear, just not in my experience :-(. | 23:09 |
| doc|work | not when the damn site won't load :/ | 23:09 |
| konttori | torrents are the best for the peak load times | 23:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As long as they still throw their own servers in with the upload. | 23:10 |
| Veggen | uhuh. slow, definitely... | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too often they nearly completely offload it to the users. | 23:10 |
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| chx | As I read more and more on the N810 on internet tablet talk, the more it seems i would be better off with a N8x0 sized keyboard and the N800... is there such a keyboard? not foldable, if possible... | 23:11 |
| guerby | 2.8 kB/s ... | 23:11 |
| guerby | 8 hours remaining | 23:11 |
| K`zan | chx: There is one I saw that folds up, about $150 IIRC. | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not foldable? | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and N800 sized? | 23:12 |
| * K`zan saves pennies... | 23:12 | |
| chx | GeneralAntilles: Am I dreaming? | 23:12 |
| K`zan | Nothing is n800 sized :-). | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's that frog keyboard | 23:12 |
| K`zan | My old palm keyboard would be ideal, unf not BT :-(. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The iGo foldable bluetooth keyboard is great. | 23:12 |
| doc|work | how much? | 23:12 |
| K`zan | Should look into what it takes to convert it to BT... | 23:12 |
| chx | Motorola TXTR D7? | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 23:13 |
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| timelyx | guerby: you can reenable pen input devices | 23:13 |
| geoffeg | chx: are you requiring a conventional qwerty keyboard? the frogpad is small but might take some time to get used to | 23:13 |
| konttori | how about the apple keyboard? | 23:13 |
| timelyx | that lets you have the vkb as long as the hkb is disabled | 23:14 |
| konttori | It's pretty small and it's just stunning to use | 23:14 |
| doc|work | but then you're giving money to apple | 23:14 |
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| doc|work | :) | 23:14 |
| geoffeg | i have the bluetooth laser keyboard, pretty cool, hard as hell to type on | 23:14 |
| chx | geoffeg: yes, a conventional qwerty would be good, i can't even get used to those fancy natural keyboards. | 23:14 |
| konttori | http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ | 23:14 |
| konttori | the wireless one | 23:14 |
| Veggen | ok, this is ridiculously slow. I'm tempted to ask to get it from someone here..? | 23:14 |
| chx | konttori: I suspect it's much much bigger...? | 23:14 |
| chx | I am dreaming of a pocketable SSH device, here. | 23:15 |
| Veggen | (even though I know it's pirating, technically speaking. *grmf*) | 23:15 |
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| doc|work | Veggen: internettablettalk.com | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | chx: just use the fullscreen thumbboard, chx. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works great. | 23:15 |
| chx | really...? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 23:16 |
| doc|work | it does, only the return key and backspace need to be swapped :) | 23:16 |
| doc|work | :/ every time :/ | 23:16 |
| chx | what about tactile feedback ...? | 23:16 |
| chx | smearing from my fingers? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe 2009. :) | 23:16 |
| doc|work | heh | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Smearing isn't a problem. | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you have really nasty hands | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | in which case, wash more. :) | 23:16 |
| geoffeg | i wonder how hard it is to write a replacement onscreen keyboard.. one that acts a little like the iphonekeyboard | 23:16 |
| doc|work | I think it's been done | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hear it'll be easier with OS2008 | 23:17 |
| doc|work | or maybe I'm thinking of openmoko | 23:17 |
| geoffeg | i thought that had been done for canola only or something | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | There was a Python demo | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it only works in the demo app. | 23:17 |
| chx | this Freedom Slim Keypad would pwn but it's vaporware it seems. | 23:17 |
| andrunko | http://andrunko.blogspot.com/2007/11/iphone-like-keyboard-on-canola.html | 23:17 |
| andrunko | check this out | 23:17 |
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| konttori | http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ | 23:18 |
| andrunko | it works for all etk/e applications | 23:18 |
| Veggen | internettablettalk.com is just as slow :) | 23:18 |
| andrunko | http://andrunko.blogspot.com/2007/11/maemo-keyboard-on-ecore-applications.html | 23:18 |
| derf | geoffeg: maemocjk uses its own keyboard. | 23:18 |
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| chx | what's with the Targus Bluetooth Mobile ThumbPad ? | 23:19 |
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| derf | And should work with any gtk application. | 23:19 |
| * alterego is now in dire need of a new screen protector .. | 23:19 | |
| alterego | It's starting to curl on the right edge. | 23:19 |
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| K`zan | only another 7 hours... | 23:20 |
| alterego | Until what? | 23:20 |
| K`zan | Glad I have a cable connection :-) | 23:20 |
| K`zan | 2008SE | 23:20 |
| alterego | O_O | 23:20 |
| doc|work | heh | 23:20 |
| K`zan | :-) | 23:20 |
| alterego | You have a cable connection and it's taking you 7 hours for a 140M file?! | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes it sound like Windows 98SE, K`zan. | 23:20 |
| Veggen | alterego: site is slow. | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | 12KB/sec now. | 23:21 |
| alterego | It was slow when I did it .. At 80-100K/s | 23:21 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Reminds me of the 110/300 baud dial up days :) | 23:21 |
| Veggen | 3.6 KB/sec for me. | 23:21 |
| K`zan | Blazing... | 23:21 |
| K`zan | Obviously web site performance is important to Nokia :-/. | 23:21 |
| pupnik | maybe the dealers are flashing units to fix a bug :) | 23:21 |
| maddler | damn... dpkg --force-all is not working! :( | 23:21 |
| alterego | I could write a script, that validates peoples MAC addresses with the Nokia site and then gives them access to a torrent .. | 23:21 |
| alterego | I wouldn't feel so bad about doing that. | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:22 |
| maddler | alterego: also considering MAC validation can be easily circumvented! | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just find yourself a more unscrupulous type to do it for you. | 23:22 |
| alterego | maddler, just like it can on their site so they can't cry at me about bad security :P | 23:22 |
| maddler | hehe | 23:23 |
| K`zan | Faking it out worked for the 810 2008 bin :-/. | 23:23 |
| maddler | K`zan: right... | 23:23 |
| Veggen | alterego: I could give you my mac address in /msg, and then you could validate, and then do a /dcc send? shouldn' | 23:23 |
| Veggen | 't take too long? ;) | 23:23 |
| guerby | Veggen, 4kB/s for me... | 23:23 |
| maddler | no reason to check for something you don't really check... | 23:23 |
| maddler | guerby: yep... it was 10KB for me... :| | 23:23 |
| K`zan | Yep, what good is the bin file to someone without the correct device, duhhh... | 23:23 |
| _|Nix|_ | Sheeesh! maemo is slowfully woe tonight ... | 23:24 |
| doc|work | even garage is sucking | 23:24 |
| alterego | Veggen, would be better if I uploaded it to my server. DCC from my machine (async) would be just as painful. Probably only 20K/s or something similar. | 23:24 |
| maddler | which is pretty slow being on a 20mbit! :| | 23:24 |
| guerby | maddler, well I'll have it tomorrow morning... | 23:24 |
| K`zan | Maybe me too :) | 23:24 |
| alterego | I quite liked the torrent idea .. | 23:24 |
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| K`zan | Up to almost 8 hours now... | 23:24 |
| bill20r3 | oof. | 23:24 |
| K`zan | Maybe not tomorrow at this rate. | 23:24 |
| bill20r3 | mine took like 3 hours. | 23:25 |
| alterego | Mine took 15minutes :P | 23:25 |
| alterego | Are you all states? | 23:25 |
| K`zan | Early bird gets the worm with that site... | 23:25 |
| K`zan | I am, west coast USA, Seattle... | 23:25 |
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| alterego | Probably more effective if someone tells me they're _not_ from the states and they're getting crap dl rate from tablets-dev.nokia.com .. | 23:26 |
| Veggen | I'm not from the stated. | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could always try again, alterego. | 23:26 |
| Veggen | eh, states. | 23:26 |
| alterego | Okay .. | 23:26 |
| alterego | Okay .. That _is_ slow .. | 23:27 |
| alterego | It's maemo.org slow .. | 23:27 |
| alterego | Heh, I bet we're all going to be blogging on Christmas day after recieving out N810's on Christmas even ^_^ | 23:29 |
| alterego | 9 days between release and Christmas .. | 23:29 |
| maddler | alterego: indeed... | 23:29 |
| alterego | That is cutting it __fine__ .. | 23:30 |
| maddler | beside I won't get it before nex january... | 23:30 |
| maddler | :| | 23:30 |
| maddler | since I won't be at home fron dec 20/jan 2 | 23:30 |
| alterego | Are you a fortunate 500? | 23:30 |
| |R | And mine will be bouncing through france or the usa... | 23:31 |
| maddler | alterego: yep... | 23:31 |
| alterego | (reminds me of the 4400) | 23:31 |
| Khertan | how to use flasher 3 to flash os2008 on my n800 ? Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 23:31 |
| Khertan | To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image | 23:31 |
| maddler | hehe... true... | 23:31 |
| Khertan | i get this error | 23:31 |
| alterego | maddler, visiting family over Christmas? Why don't you get it delivered to their place .. | 23:31 |
| geoffeg | Where's the Turbo Boost button for tablets-dev.nokia.com? | 23:31 |
| maddler | alterego: will be traveling... | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Helsinki, geoffeg. :) | 23:31 |
| alterego | Castle Nokia .. | 23:31 |
| geoffeg | well someone needs to go to helsinki and push the button | 23:31 |
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| alterego | Unfortunately it diverts bandwidth from security.microsoft.com | 23:32 |
| alterego | I think they need the bw more .. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:32 |
| Khertan | arg ... checksum ok ... can't flash it ... grrrr | 23:32 |
| alterego | Khertan, ./flasher-3.0 -F ./path/to/image -f | 23:33 |
| alterego | That should do it. | 23:33 |
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| Khertan | alterego: it what i ve do ... | 23:34 |
| Khertan | alterego: it what i ve done ... | 23:34 |
| alterego | Khertan, so .. What's the error? | 23:34 |
| Khertan | To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image | 23:35 |
| Khertan | snifff | 23:35 |
| alterego | O_o | 23:35 |
| Khertan | as you said | 23:35 |
| alterego | Unpack it and forget about the bootloader. | 23:35 |
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| alterego | In other words .. Do the same method as the N810 on N800 hack. | 23:36 |
| Khertan | lol ... i ll try :) | 23:36 |
| Khertan | it s work better now :) ... flashing in progress :) | 23:37 |
| Khertan | thanks :) | 23:37 |
| alterego | Hmm .. Looks like tablets-dev needs jscript .. | 23:37 |
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| alterego | Either that or it's denying people into the download area :) | 23:37 |
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| czr | alterego, maybe it's just protecting people from needlessly downloading packages that will break anyway? :-) | 23:39 |
| alterego | Pfft. | 23:39 |
| alterego | I didn't have problems with the N810 release and I've not yet had problems with the N800 release .. Which is more stable .. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:40 |
| alterego | Yes, you're right. I don't count stability as an issue :P | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a cheatsheet for the OS2008 keyboard shortcuts? | 23:41 |
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| alterego | GeneralAntilles, that's a good idea .. Make one :P | 23:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles whines. | 23:41 | |
| alterego | ;) | 23:41 |
| alterego | They're all spread out in the user guide ;) | 23:41 |
| alterego | I think ctrl+k is close window | 23:42 |
| milhouse | jeeez.... this new beta os2008/n800 is taking hours to download! hopefully that's due to demand and not a flakey server/connection :) | 23:42 |
| alterego | That's the only one I can remember though .. | 23:42 |
| alterego | milhouse, it's demand. I got it earlier at 80-100K/s | 23:42 |
| milhouse | my download is crawling along at 3kb/sec! | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish I could switch Windows and alt like it is on OS X | 23:42 |
| milhouse | alterego: that's good to hear :) | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Combination, methinks, milhouse. | 23:43 |
| alterego | Alt-tab like function? | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | So control and alt were next to eachother. | 23:43 |
| alterego | I kind of wish I didn't bother flashing it now. I can't even install an ssh server O_O | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not? | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras enabled? | 23:45 |
| alterego | it's not just tablets-dev that's slow ;) | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:45 |
| alterego | Think of all the people downloading the 32 apps on downloads.maemo.org .. | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | They need to slap a half-dozen more servers onto maemo.org | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, seriously, it's so bad. | 23:45 |
| alterego | Actually, I wonder if maemo extras and tablets-dev are the same server. | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems likely | 23:46 |
| geoffeg | tablets-dev is an akamai site | 23:46 |
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| alterego | Yeah, different IP | 23:46 |
| alterego | Same subnet though | 23:46 |
| alterego | Though, IP is meaningless. They could all be running on an 800Mhz PIII with 64M RAM. | 23:47 |
| czr | /usr/sbin/sb-adduser: line 14: /usr/sbin/compatibility.sh: No such file or directory | 23:47 |
| czr | hmm. one has to run /usr/run_me_first.sh to finish up scratchbox install? | 23:47 |
| czr | and what a stupid place to put a script anyway :-) | 23:47 |
| alterego | If you're not doing an apt-get install scratchbox-packages. | 23:48 |
| czr | ah. especially since it doesn't even exist | 23:48 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:48 |
| czr | alterego, I did | 23:48 |
| alterego | Really? | 23:48 |
| czr | dpkg -i :-) | 23:48 |
| alterego | I didn't have any setup after that .. | 23:48 |
| alterego | Except the echo "1024 65000" > /proc/ ... stuff | 23:48 |
| czr | hmm? | 23:48 |
| czr | tsavola, ping? | 23:48 |
| czr | or jumpula | 23:48 |
| * czr prepares some trouts | 23:49 | |
| alterego | local IP port range .. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should I leave the stand on my iGo keyboard on or off? | 23:49 |
| czr | why would you need to setup that alterego? | 23:49 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, didn't it break off when you threw it out of the window? | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, thankfully. | 23:49 |
| alterego | czr, dunno. Scratchbox complains when I don't. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Landed on somebody's cat. | 23:49 |
| czr | alterego, weird | 23:50 |
| alterego | Nice. | 23:50 |
| alterego | It's a common issue. | 23:50 |
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| alterego | Oh, skype _is_ available now .. | 23:50 |
| chx | let's say I give up... and I will use a foldable keyboard. is there some handy case to hold the N800 and a foldable keyboard together , forming, essentially, a very mini laptop? | 23:51 |
| chx | so you do not need to find a table , you can just work wherever | 23:51 |
| alterego | chx, you could make one with a small aluminum brief case. | 23:52 |
| alterego | I saw a pic, hang on. | 23:52 |
| czr | bleh, the 4.0 SDK instructions refer to sbox 1.0 installation docs. | 23:52 |
| alterego | http://techepics.com/files/nokia_770_laptop.jpg | 23:53 |
| alterego | How cool is that :) | 23:53 |
| czr | which claim that installing sbox debs will ask questions. it doesn't. | 23:53 |
| alterego | Though .. He uses a USB keyboard. | 23:53 |
| chx | alterego: awfuly big, sorry, as I imagine, i would pocket the N800, the foldable keyboard and as I open, there is a somethign that holds em together | 23:53 |
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| alterego | czr, mine did. It asked what users I want added. | 23:53 |
| chx | usually these foldable keyboards have some holder...? | 23:54 |
| alterego | czr, and the name of a group. | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think having the iGo, the N800 and my cellphone in one pocket is a little much. | 23:54 |
| czr | alterego, with apt-get? | 23:54 |
| alterego | chx, I know. I just thought you might want to see it ;) | 23:54 |
| alterego | czr, yup | 23:54 |
| czr | weird | 23:54 |
| chx | alterego: i read that blog (as everyone else?) | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like a have a massive tumor on my thigh. | 23:54 |
| alterego | czr, this was a month or so ago and my short term memory for these details can be somewhat foggy ;) But I do distinctly remember it asking me questions. | 23:54 |
| alterego | chx, probably before my time. | 23:55 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, maybe you do. Cell phone pocket? | 23:55 |
| chx | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009EBYA?smid=A3IZHOEADOGAP0&tag=nextag-ce-tier1-20&linkCode=asn you see this here? | 23:55 |
| alterego | I hear those N95's are tumours in a brushed aluminum finish. | 23:55 |
| czr | alterego, I found the culprit | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:55 |
| geoffeg | IT'S NOT AH TUHMA | 23:55 |
| alterego | ;) | 23:55 |
| czr | alterego, or rather, I didn't, but found a work-around. kind of | 23:56 |
| czr | tuhma = naughty in finnish | 23:56 |
| alterego | czr, are you trying to break things on purpose again? :) | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is what you want, chx: http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1196114179&sr=1-1 | 23:56 |
| geoffeg | alterego: by that you mean the bluetooth+802.11+cell signal? | 23:56 |
| czr | alterego, for fucks sake, I'm just trying to do things My Way(tm), which is Clearly Superior(tm) :-) | 23:56 |
| bill20r3 | Obviously(C). | 23:57 |
| chx | GeneralAntilles: what holds the stuff together? | 23:57 |
| alterego | geoffeg, I was only kidding ;) | 23:57 |
| chx | GeneralAntilles: keyboard and tablet | 23:57 |
| czr | alterego, but yeah. just stumbling upon corners which have obviously gotten zero testing. | 23:57 |
| alterego | geoffeg, but I would have included the GPS reciever in there too. | 23:57 |
| geoffeg | alterego: cause like, if you don't want your n95 you can mail it to me | 23:57 |
| alterego | Hah | 23:57 |
| geoffeg | alterego: receivers don't emit anything, TEH DUH | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gravity, chx. :) | 23:57 |
| alterego | geoffeg, I was being sarcastic ;) | 23:57 |
| geoffeg | alterego: that's why i added "TEH DUH" :) | 23:57 |
| chx | Includes carrying case & detachable PDA/phone stand | 23:57 |
| chx | Ah haaa! | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right | 23:57 |
| alterego | geoffeg, I hear the screen is so bright it can blind grown men. | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not in the picture there. | 23:58 |
| ajturner_ | GeneralAntilles: wow, $30 for the stow-away? assume it is standard BT HID? | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, chx, I was being mean. :( | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works perfectly | 23:58 |
| geoffeg | alterego: i hear the CPU gets so hot it can cook your nuts in 2 seconds | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Black Friday/Holiday deal. | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was $70-$80 four days ago. | 23:58 |
| alterego | Sounds like an ex girlfriend. | 23:58 |
| alterego | Oh, shit .. I missed black friday .. | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's with the broken Rhapsody 3.1? | 23:58 |
| chx | $30, where???? | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | OHSHIT! | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | amazon.com | 23:59 |
| chx | ah right now on amazon.com | 23:59 |
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| chx | true. | 23:59 |
| chx | nice. | 23:59 |
| alterego | I'm not even in the states. But I run over to the nearest US airbase and ransack the place. | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just gets crazy over here | 23:59 |
| alterego | I still don't get why it's called "Black Friday" .. Kind of sounds racist to me. | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | People stampeding into WalMart at 3 AM | 23:59 |
| ajturner_ | heh, most popular combo is the stowaway + N800 | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like something recent | 23:59 |
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