| pupnik | I'd put it on hold waiting for help from the author, he just mailed me back. | 00:00 |
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| czr | kaltsi, heh. you might want to add theme package called that to maemo ;-) | 00:00 |
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| czr | hildon-theme-salty-chocolate-balls | 00:00 |
| kaltsi | maybe tigert will do it :) | 00:00 |
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| czr | heh. pupnik, that your homepage? I really like the background pic | 00:01 |
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| pupnik | thanks. it was cleverly shot to not show the mess | 00:02 |
| czr | heh | 00:03 |
| czr | looks like some lab from C.S.I. | 00:03 |
| czr | they always use really weird background colors and unhuman lighting | 00:03 |
| czr | although your screens contain way too much text to be C.S.I. | 00:03 |
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| kaltsi | still compiling emacs | 00:06 |
| pupnik | question about the brightness czr - are you viewing the page on tft or crt? | 00:06 |
| czr | pupnik, tft | 00:06 |
| czr | it's quite dark. works quite well though imho | 00:06 |
| czr | the text is bright enough for proper contrast | 00:06 |
| czr | pupnik, "you want me to take a screenshot?" | 00:07 |
| pupnik | ok it's too dark for my crt, but i figure everyone has tfts now, which show dark colors brighter than crts | 00:07 |
| pupnik | haha | 00:07 |
| kaltsi | I think internettablettalk is too dark | 00:07 |
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| czr | yeah, crts are like that. an most pics don't have proper sRGB profiles anyway | 00:07 |
| czr | (not that most programs would know what to do with them anyway) | 00:07 |
| czr | pupnik, I find the same problem when working with natural sourced stuff as well | 00:07 |
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| pupnik | yeah i hope displays get more range soon. 8-bits per channel is kind of low imo. some tvs use 10 bits | 00:08 |
| czr | synthetic stuff survives quite nicely both worlds, although CRTs are quite dark still: http://koltsoff.com/pub/pics/blob-world-2007/ | 00:08 |
| czr | I'd like 32-bit float for pixels actually | 00:08 |
| czr | per channel I mean. microsoft has a nice lossless but good format for that | 00:09 |
| czr | too bad it's mined with patents and all that crap | 00:09 |
| lophyte | huh | 00:09 |
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| lophyte | I tried to rmmod g_file_storage and now its stuck in the "Unloading" state and I can't reset the bloody thing | 00:09 |
| czr | lophyte, remove the battery? | 00:09 |
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| lophyte | good idea :P | 00:10 |
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| Andy80 | hi all! | 00:10 |
| Andy80 | I've a problem with my profile: http://maemo.org/profile/view/andy80 | 00:10 |
| Andy80 | as you can see, it doesn't exist anymore :( | 00:10 |
| Andy80 | what happened? | 00:11 |
| czr | I removed it | 00:11 |
| Andy80 | anyone else experienced this problem? | 00:11 |
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| czr | Andy80, when did it work the last time? | 00:11 |
| Andy80 | today afternoon | 00:11 |
| czr | hmm. wait until tomorrow. maybe it will plop back | 00:12 |
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| Andy80 | (italian local time) | 00:12 |
| lophyte | ...fuck | 00:12 |
| lophyte | what did I do | 00:12 |
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| czr | job motivation for tomorrow: http://projectsidewalk.com/flowchart/ | 00:13 |
| Andy80 | :\ | 00:14 |
| Andy80 | I'll chek again tomorrow | 00:14 |
| Andy80 | good night | 00:14 |
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| lophyte | eh, are there any clips or anything to remove the battery? | 00:16 |
| kaltsi | clips? | 00:16 |
| bill20r3 | it's just in a 9v holder, behind velco | 00:17 |
| kaltsi | just slam it against your hand and it should slip out | 00:17 |
| lophyte | I can't get my battery out, I was wondering if there was a clip or something holding it in | 00:17 |
| kaltsi | it shouldn't be too hard.. just be sure to pry it from the correct end | 00:17 |
| lophyte | the correct end being the end with the pins? | 00:18 |
| kaltsi | without the pins :) | 00:18 |
| lophyte | damn, its so small I can't get anything in there | 00:19 |
| kaltsi | try to hit it against you hand carefully.. it should pop out a bit from that end | 00:19 |
| lophyte | ugh.. I think I messed it up | 00:20 |
| lophyte | it keeps rebooting... booting up, rebooting... over and over | 00:20 |
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| lophyte | there, got it out | 00:21 |
| kaltsi | well eventually the battery will run out :P | 00:21 |
| kaltsi | when you insert the battery back in, put in the end with pins first | 00:21 |
| lophyte | yup, got it | 00:21 |
| lophyte | let's see if it boots properly not | 00:21 |
| lophyte | now* | 00:22 |
| lophyte | .... | 00:22 |
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| lophyte | :\ | 00:22 |
| lophyte | damn it | 00:22 |
| kaltsi | no? | 00:22 |
| K`zan | How does one change the "My Selection" stuff on the n800 menu? | 00:22 |
| lophyte | nope, still rebooting | 00:22 |
| K`zan | Would like to put some useful stuff there :-). | 00:22 |
| kaltsi | K`zan: is there a 'panels' thingy in control panel? | 00:23 |
| K`zan | Uhm, checking... | 00:23 |
| kaltsi | in this N810 it's there and there you can arrange things | 00:24 |
| K`zan | kaltsi: :-) thanks, although I am not sure I would have called that a panel, but :-)... | 00:24 |
| kaltsi | yea, funny name :) | 00:24 |
| lophyte | ITOS needs to be loaded in order for the flasher to work I'd assume | 00:24 |
| kaltsi | lophyte no.. just the bootloader or some little thingy from the beginning | 00:25 |
| lophyte | ie. there's no low-level software on the device that handles flashing | 00:25 |
| lophyte | oi | 00:25 |
| lophyte | think I killed it then | 00:25 |
| kaltsi | did you try flashing? | 00:26 |
| lophyte | no | 00:26 |
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| gla55_ | isn't flashing the standard fix for continuous reboot cycle | 00:26 |
| K`zan | Sigh, you have to delete most of that stuff, you can't move it - SUCKO.... | 00:26 |
| K`zan | Because of that I will not be using any of those... | 00:27 |
| lophyte | gla55_, that's what I was asking.. is it possible to flash without ITOS loaded | 00:27 |
| lophyte | in which case I'll try flashing it | 00:27 |
| kaltsi | K`zan: I can drag & drop things in this n810 | 00:27 |
| gla55_ | you press a button while booting so that it doesnt load the os.. | 00:27 |
| gla55_ | for flashing | 00:28 |
| kaltsi | lophyte: I answered that it is possible | 00:28 |
| lophyte | ah | 00:28 |
| K`zan | How very f'ing nice, you can'e even delete them - what a steaming crock. | 00:28 |
| kaltsi | K`zan: drag them away from there | 00:28 |
| lophyte | kaltsi, oh sorry... misunderstood | 00:28 |
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| kaltsi | np | 00:29 |
| K`zan | kaltsi: Can drag them anyplace you want - they don't move... | 00:29 |
| * lophyte checks the wiki for info about flashing | 00:29 | |
| konttori | damn, is it true that os2008 version of python 2.5 doesn't have glade? | 00:29 |
| kaltsi | K`zan: what a crock then.. this os2008 allows you to do that | 00:29 |
| lophyte | that's what I heard | 00:29 |
| K`zan | I am running 2008... | 00:29 |
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| kaltsi | K`zan: well then it will work.. just drag that 'maps' to another folder | 00:30 |
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| kaltsi | I'm doing it right now right here | 00:30 |
| K`zan | kaltsi, tried that, lemme close and try again | 00:32 |
| kaltsi | although I have the n810, maybe it doesn't work on n800 yet | 00:32 |
| K`zan | Ok, do it enough times and it works :) | 00:32 |
| kaltsi | hehe | 00:32 |
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| * |R hoped for nokia's email this monday :| | 00:34 | |
| K`zan | only took 5 for maps and 10 for rapsody :-), Damnifiknow :). | 00:34 |
| lophyte | haha | 00:34 |
| lophyte | I hope this works... | 00:35 |
| K`zan | Up to 25 so far trying to move FBReader up to My Selection. | 00:35 |
| K`zan | CLI could be a lot better for this from the looks of it. | 00:35 |
| czr | hah. spellchecker complains about "Ok" | 00:36 |
| czr | damn you! | 00:36 |
| czr | NAO OK! | 00:37 |
| K`zan | 50x screw it, I'll live with where ever it decides it wants it. | 00:37 |
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| kaltsi | haha | 00:38 |
| kaltsi | can you move the fbreader in its current menu? | 00:39 |
| kaltsi | you should be able to rearrange the items there by dragging them too | 00:39 |
| K`zan | Can move that in the grand scheme of thing (up, down) | 00:39 |
| K`zan | But can't seem to move anything in out of extras - GUI feedback indicates I am picking it up and on the right place do drop it. Poor... | 00:40 |
| K`zan | I may just reflash 2007, this may not work on an n800 right. | 00:41 |
| kaltsi | for me that seems to work too.. moved scummVM there | 00:41 |
| K`zan | Got me, Cool little device, but I am liking it less as time goes on :-(. | 00:41 |
| K`zan | Lets try removing the charger, there are things that don't work if the charger is plugged in while you are trying to do it. | 00:42 |
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| lophyte | there, works now... | 00:43 |
| lophyte | thanks guys | 00:43 |
| K`zan | Nope... | 00:43 |
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| kaltsi | K`zan: do you have an example of something that doesn't work when charger is plugged in? | 00:45 |
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| K`zan | I forget what it was now, perhaps it was the 2008 burn IIRC. | 00:46 |
| K`zan | Can move stuff around in extras but can not move it to another folder - weird. | 00:47 |
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| K`zan | Finnaly Got the last item moved from My Selection - just keep moving it, eventually it takes. | 00:51 |
| K`zan | Oh well, off to find the 2007 image. | 00:52 |
| mariorz_ | wow just lost an hour to doom | 00:52 |
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| mariorz_ | so when coding you guys work on your desktop then transfer files via smb? usb? or just ssh and use vim or whatever? | 00:53 |
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| * czr uses scp/ssh | 00:54 | |
| czr | matter of taste I guess. | 00:54 |
| czr | some people use NFS, some USB | 00:54 |
| mariorz_ | hmm, usb seems a pain with the connnect/disconect umonut etch | 00:55 |
| derf | sshfs! | 00:55 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... sshfs is enough for mgedmin_'s needs | 00:55 |
| * mariorz_ googles | 00:55 | |
| L0cutusM | 'night all | 00:57 |
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| * L0cutusM use scp | 00:58 | |
| L0cutusM | 5-700k/sec in write to mmc | 00:59 |
| L0cutusM | not so bad after all | 00:59 |
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| lardman | what does a major number of 4 indicate? character device? | 01:02 |
| kaltsi | czr wtf.. emacs did build and got packaged | 01:03 |
| czr | kaltsi, with the ultimate spam-shielding? | 01:03 |
| kaltsi | yes.. | 01:03 |
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| czr | you make me shudder :-) | 01:03 |
| kaltsi | but this was the x86 build.. took this long to do it | 01:03 |
| czr | heh | 01:03 |
| czr | good luck with getting it to build with crapola qemu though | 01:03 |
| kaltsi | maybe I'll leave the armel to build overnight | 01:03 |
| mariorz_ | kaltsi: works? :D | 01:03 |
| * czr bets the build will fail | 01:04 | |
| kaltsi | it's about 10 megabytes of deb packages.. eek | 01:04 |
| czr | kaltsi, it's twice as best as technoballz (took some 5 MiB+) | 01:04 |
| kaltsi | no let me correct that.. 20 | 01:04 |
| mariorz_ | micro-emacs? | 01:04 |
| czr | 4 times the balls of technoballz. | 01:04 |
| kaltsi | no the full ballz-on emacs21 | 01:05 |
| mariorz_ | kewl | 01:05 |
| kaltsi | I'll try it with the sdk env.. let's see | 01:05 |
| * czr considers doing s/thing/crap/ to a heading that reads "what is this thing called maemo?" | 01:06 | |
| czr | but I'm nice tonight. I'll wait until the material goes public first :-) | 01:06 |
| czr | with captions like "A puny little Hello World", I cannot lose! | 01:07 |
| czr | (and yes, it is quite puny) | 01:07 |
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| kaltsi | argh.. now emacs wants emacsen-common and that wanst bsdmainutils | 01:08 |
| czr | heh | 01:08 |
| czr | replace them all with /bin/true? :-) | 01:09 |
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| kaltsi | and that wants god knows what.. graarh | 01:09 |
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| * pupnik haets not knowing when N810 will be available at nokia.de | 01:14 | |
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| pupnik | today? refresh. nope. pre-order possibility? nope. | 01:15 |
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| czr | hey, at least you got the discount :-) | 01:15 |
| pupnik | i suppose it takes a while to produce a batch of em | 01:15 |
| czr | pupnik, they're gluing maemo into them as we speak | 01:15 |
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| pupnik | hem but there are units in stores in chicago | 01:16 |
| czr | for sale? | 01:16 |
| pupnik | yes people are walking into the store and buying em | 01:16 |
| czr | heh. that's just so unjust :-) | 01:16 |
| Vanya | Guys, anyone use FBReader? How to make it to uncompress .rar? | 01:17 |
| czr | Vanya, you should uncompress the rar externally to the device | 01:17 |
| czr | or port unrar to the device and use it from the command line. | 01:17 |
| Vanya | Tnx, i'm unraring from console, but i thiught there's a kind of plugin or something | 01:18 |
| * czr shrugs | 01:18 | |
| czr | maybe there is | 01:18 |
| Vanya | Well, it's rather comfortable to uncompress zip files right from reader ... It's a pity we can't do the same with rar. Thnaks anyway. | 01:20 |
| K`zan | Instructions for flashing 2007 the same as 2008 (From here: http://www.cnet.com/surveillance-state/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html)? | 01:20 |
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| czr | K`zan, try to find the flashing instructions on maemo.org? | 01:21 |
| K`zan | czr rr tnx! | 01:21 |
| pupnik | MobileCityOnline just got some in stock. Looks like it's a rolling release. | 01:21 |
| czr | K`zan, rr = resource record? | 01:22 |
| czr | road runner? | 01:22 |
| czr | beep beep? | 01:22 |
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| lardman | hmm, are there any standard entries under /sys/modules/*/ ? | 01:26 |
| czr | lardman, depends on kernel version. "yes" | 01:27 |
| lardman | I have 2 directories: holders and sections, and two files: initstate and refcnt | 01:27 |
| * czr nods | 01:27 | |
| lardman | I'm wondering if these are standard | 01:28 |
| czr | sections is the linkage sections (similar to objdump will show) | 01:28 |
| czr | refcnt is standard | 01:28 |
| lardman | I can't find them in the code | 01:28 |
| czr | tells you the reference count of the module | 01:28 |
| lardman | ok | 01:28 |
| czr | refcount is automatical | 01:28 |
| czr | sections come from the kernel module linker, which is not manipulated by module code directly | 01:28 |
| czr | hence you won't see any code for those | 01:28 |
| lardman | what about initstate? | 01:29 |
| czr | refcount is incremented at least once with.. MODULE_USE or a macro similar to that | 01:29 |
| czr | I don't remember, sry :-) | 01:29 |
| czr | you might want to use the LXR? | 01:29 |
| czr | http://lxr.linux.no/source/ | 01:29 |
| lardman | good stuff, thanks :) | 01:29 |
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| czr | np, it's been some time since I worked with the kernel, things fall off the edge of memory and such.. | 01:30 |
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| lardman | I can understand that | 01:30 |
| czr | but, I think I'll get some sleep. finished couple of chapters at least today. silly day today was. | 01:30 |
| czr | maybe I'll play some battlefront, as sniper. to relax. shoot some rebel scum :-) | 01:31 |
| lardman | :) | 01:31 |
| lardman | you reading or writing chapters? | 01:31 |
| czr | both. reading and rewriting | 01:31 |
| lardman | thesis? | 01:31 |
| czr | updating mat from 1.0/3.2 to 4.0 | 01:31 |
| czr | bleh. training material for maemo. | 01:31 |
| lardman | ah ok | 01:31 |
| czr | thesis would be easier | 01:31 |
| lardman | oh yeah :D | 01:32 |
| czr | yup. the material will go public soon I guess | 01:32 |
| czr | once I get the updates done and it's reviewed. so you can all suffer from it | 01:32 |
| czr | not that most people on this channel would find it useful anyway, but still (it's more for people who've never seen GTK+) | 01:33 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like those sysfs entries are all automatic | 01:33 |
| czr | yup | 01:33 |
| lardman | no proc entries, I wonder what's happened to the module | 01:33 |
| lardman | klogd me thinks | 01:33 |
| czr | maybe it needs some helper module to work | 01:33 |
| czr | or maybe the symbol renaming broke it | 01:33 |
| lardman | it would have fallen over then though | 01:33 |
| lardman | it just appears to be sitting there | 01:34 |
| czr | you can use dmesg as klogd replacement | 01:34 |
| * czr nods | 01:34 | |
| lardman | but module_init should create the proc entries so I'm confused | 01:34 |
| czr | it's waiting for the Bright Future(tm) | 01:34 |
| czr | it should? add printks | 01:34 |
| lardman | may well be :) | 01:34 |
| lardman | it's binary only | 01:34 |
| czr | patch printks in! | 01:34 |
| lardman | hmm | 01:34 |
| lardman | :) | 01:34 |
| czr | just joking :-) | 01:34 |
| kaltsi | emacs seems to be building on the armel side too | 01:34 |
| kaltsi | but I gotta sleep | 01:35 |
| czr | kaltsi, I'll buy you beer if it builds completely without intervention | 01:35 |
| kaltsi | hehe :) | 01:35 |
| czr | yeah, me too | 01:35 |
| czr | tomorrow maemoteers! | 01:35 |
| lardman | night chaps | 01:35 |
| kaltsi | cu | 01:35 |
| czr | -> | 01:35 |
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| Atarii | is jablet.org down? | 01:37 |
| lopz | re | 01:40 |
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| mariorz_ | when running a python app/script whats the difference between doing python blah.py and run-standalone.sh blah.py? | 01:48 |
| mariorz_ | and wtf would i get a file not found while doing the run-standalone while the file is clearly there | 01:48 |
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| sp3000 | example? | 01:49 |
| mariorz_ | run-standalone.sh /home/user/uitest.py | 01:50 |
| mariorz_ | also run-standalone.sh ./uitest.py and run-standalone.sh uitest.py and every possible combination | 01:50 |
| sp3000 | head -n1 /home/user/uitest.py | 01:51 |
| mariorz_ | python uitest.py works fine | 01:51 |
| sp3000 | and does run-standalone.sh python uitest.py | 01:51 |
| sp3000 | (another question is do you need it) | 01:52 |
| mariorz_ | lol yeah that works | 01:52 |
| mariorz_ | the head -n1 takes off the first line or what? | 01:52 |
| mariorz_ | do i need what? | 01:53 |
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| sp3000 | run-standalone | 01:53 |
| sp3000 | re the head, does the interpreter specified by your hashbang exist? | 01:54 |
| sp3000 | which is what would be used if you run the script rather than python | 01:54 |
| mariorz_ | oh ok | 01:54 |
| mariorz_ | #!/var/lib/install/usr/bin/python2.5 <-- yeah jsut copied that ill check if its right | 01:55 |
| mariorz_ | sorry for all the noobness | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | that sounds like something out of OS2005 :) | 01:55 |
| * zerojay yawns. | 01:55 | |
| zerojay | Atarii: Jablet.org doesn't run any web services. Just a Jabber server. If you're looking for our website, Jablet.net. | 01:56 |
| mariorz_ | yeah was going trougan old tutorial | 01:56 |
| zerojay | Atarii: I know it's stupid, but it will be fixed at some point. | 01:56 |
| mariorz_ | ls | 01:57 |
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| zerojay | Atarii: Working for ya? | 02:12 |
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| lardman | night chaps | 02:17 |
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| sp3000 | as opposed to the daytime outfit | 02:25 |
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| Atarii | zerojay | 02:36 |
| Atarii | thanks, got it now | 02:36 |
| Atarii | the jablet.org and .net is confusing! | 02:37 |
| Atarii | but now running msn contacts seemlessly on 2007he :D | 02:37 |
| zerojay | Atarii: Yeah, I can understand that. The way I look at it is "Jabber server = .org, everything else = .net". | 02:37 |
| Atarii | yea ill remember that now | 02:37 |
| zerojay | We'll fix it.. it's just that I set up the Jabber server separately because the one that came with our hosting was really really shitty. I didn't even want to use it. | 02:38 |
| Atarii | will an IRC transport ever become available or not, because of the TOS ? | 02:38 |
| mariorz_ | anyone use maemo-google-reader? | 02:38 |
| zerojay | The Jabber server's on the lowest hosting plan... perhaps when we're ready to bump that up higher, we'll move it all to .org and redirect .net. | 02:39 |
| zerojay | Atarii: The TOS of the server hosting the Jabber server specifically states "No IRC servers, no IRC bouncers, no IRC bots, NO IRC." | 02:39 |
| Atarii | :( | 02:39 |
| zerojay | Literally. | 02:39 |
| zerojay | So I imagine they've been fucked over by IRC in the past. lol. | 02:40 |
| zerojay | Yeah, I know... I hate it too. | 02:40 |
| Atarii | lol yea thats pretty specific | 02:40 |
| zerojay | Perhaps it's acceptable on the higher up servers. | 02:40 |
| zerojay | I'll look into it, because it's something I do want to offer. | 02:40 |
| Atarii | dont know wat it wud look like in the chat window on the tablet tho | 02:40 |
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| Atarii | how many people are using jablet now? | 02:41 |
| zerojay | Hah. Good point. | 02:43 |
| zerojay | Let's see... | 02:43 |
| zerojay | Registered users: 82 | 02:43 |
| zerojay | Active sessions: 26. | 02:43 |
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| Atarii | thats good | 02:44 |
| Atarii | altho only 18 registered users on the forum | 02:44 |
| zerojay | It was 33 only about 24 hours ago. | 02:44 |
| Atarii | shows wat itt forum can do :p | 02:44 |
| zerojay | No kidding. | 02:44 |
| zerojay | We can offer e-mail too. | 02:44 |
| zerojay | But I don't know if anyone would be interested in that. | 02:45 |
| Atarii | will it stay a free service? | 02:45 |
| zerojay | And other stuff on the way as well, such as the Video Center feeds. | 02:45 |
| zerojay | Absolutely. | 02:45 |
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| Atarii | i need to check out the video centre, havnt tried that yet | 02:45 |
| Atarii | altho spare time is at a minimum at the moment | 02:46 |
| zerojay | I haven't done much with it since I updated to 2008.. video center doesn't work on it. | 02:46 |
| zerojay | The site will always stay free. | 02:47 |
| zerojay | And will stay ad-free as well. | 02:47 |
| zerojay | We'll accept donations at some point. | 02:47 |
| Atarii | yea bet the costs add up | 02:48 |
| zerojay | Which will all be used only for hosting costs. | 02:48 |
| zerojay | It's not that bad... at least not for the modest server I've got running Jabber right now. | 02:48 |
| zerojay | But it should be fine for now. | 02:48 |
| zerojay | I'm just having fun seeing so many people finally enjoying what I've been doing for ages on my tablet. | 02:49 |
| zerojay | And helping to dispel the Pidgin myth. ;) | 02:49 |
| Atarii | :D | 02:49 |
| Atarii | i tried it before but the contacts never showed who was online, guess it was a shitty jabber server tho | 02:49 |
| zerojay | Yeah, see, those are the kinds of problems we would have had with the original server. | 02:50 |
| zerojay | You'd have to manually readd your AIM contacts, etc.. | 02:50 |
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| zerojay | Screw that. | 02:50 |
| Atarii | lol | 02:50 |
| Atarii | is there anyway for it to get your contact groups automatically from msn? | 02:51 |
| zerojay | I'm very interested in getting a mugshot clone running for tablet users on Jablet.. and it turns out that Mugshot uses the same Jabber server I use already.. so eventually that might be nice. | 02:51 |
| zerojay | I don't think the IM gateway supports that at the moment. | 02:51 |
| Atarii | yea display pics wud be good | 02:52 |
| zerojay | Those are actually supported, but because of a bug in the current version of the transport, it won't pull them down unless you directly ask the other client for it. | 02:53 |
| zerojay | Possibly by starting a chat and checking their profile... unsure. | 02:53 |
| zerojay | But as soon as the bugfix for the IM gateway is released, I'll be throwing it on there. | 02:53 |
| zerojay | And I was told that would be part of the fixes. | 02:53 |
| Atarii | :) | 02:53 |
| penguinbait | zj, please forgive my ignorance, but why whoudl I want to use your service? | 02:54 |
| penguinbait | why not just use google, or aim, or msn or whatever, I guess I am missing something? | 02:55 |
| zerojay | Well, a lot of people don't know much about Jabber and about how they can use the tablet's internal Jabber client to talk to their AIM/MSN and other buddies. | 02:55 |
| zerojay | Instead of installing Pidgin. | 02:55 |
| penguinbait | ah | 02:55 |
| zerojay | Because you're doing it through the internal client, you get integration into the tablet's address book as well as alert system. | 02:56 |
| zerojay | Lower memory usage... | 02:56 |
| zerojay | A few other things I can't think of at the moment. | 02:56 |
| penguinbait | I am using kopete anyway :) | 02:56 |
| zerojay | But the main idea is that most people don't know you could do that.. or if they knew, they wouldn't be able to find a stable server with the gateways they need. | 02:56 |
| zerojay | It's what I'm using on my desktop. ;) | 02:56 |
| zerojay | Kopete. | 02:56 |
| zerojay | We're going to add other stuff as well. | 02:57 |
| penguinbait | I like the ktts plugin | 02:57 |
| zerojay | But first, I want to finish creating a signup page that will connect and add your IM gateways without needing you to do it manually on a PC. | 02:57 |
| zerojay | And we've got other ideas... video center feed database that works like Nokia's (currently working). | 02:58 |
| zerojay | The cool thing about that is that you can subscribe to an RSS feed for the video center feed database and as soon as new podcasts shows (not episodes) are added, you'll get told in your feed reader. One click in the feed reader and it's added to your video center. | 02:59 |
| niteOwl | I'm trying to compile dates as X86 target under scratchbox (to do some debugging) - where can I find a repository with libtool1.5 instead of the libtool1.4 which comes with maemo SDK 3.2 - My guess is finding this will fix my problem since I have that version on my desktop and can build dates fine. The precise error message is actually that it can't find libtool.m4 so if you know where it's hiding I could fix the prob | 02:59 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: So if you've got ideas on something you think would be useful, let me know and we can try it out. | 03:01 |
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| zerojay | Modest is pretty awesome. | 03:03 |
| zerojay | I think people are going to be quite happy with it.. we'll hear a lot of "this should have been the e-mail client from the start". | 03:03 |
| Atarii | lol | 03:04 |
| zerojay | Glad it will be the new e-mail client, eventually. | 03:04 |
| zerojay | Tested an SVN build. | 03:04 |
| zerojay | Great stuff. | 03:04 |
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| Atarii | rite bed | 03:07 |
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| Atarii | thanks for the jablet zerojay (and texrat whereever he is) | 03:08 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11931 reminder, vote for the N810 winner | 03:12 |
| pupnik | niteOwl: check gronmayer repo index | 03:13 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 03:13 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 03:13 |
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| niteOwl | pupnik: thanks - I solved it a better way though - found the file and created a symlink from /scratchbox/devkits/doctools/share/aclocal/intltool.m4 to /usr/share/aclocal/intltool.m4 and also for libtool....autogen is now cranking away happily | 03:17 |
| niteOwl | i'm slightly annoyed this seems to be broken in the default maemo 3.2 SDK install - OR (and more likely) I'm missing something | 03:18 |
| niteOwl | since I'm just starting learning to do development for the N800 | 03:18 |
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| pupnik | niteOwl: i ran into a similar problem and forgot the solution | 03:38 |
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| mariorz_ | anyone use reader mini? | 03:45 |
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| mariorz_ | cant seem to get it too log in from the device just hangs | 03:55 |
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| K`zan | I'm developing a love/hate relationship with the n800 leaning heavily toward the love side :-) :-) :-). | 04:00 |
| zerojay | Haha. | 04:02 |
| K`zan | Gizmo won't install though, wonder what that is all about. | 04:05 |
| zerojay | The only thing driving me nuts is the wait for my N810. | 04:05 |
| dieman` | heh, the nokia store on letstalk says nov 27 now | 04:05 |
| dieman` | so i guess that means USA device program participants get to wait a week | 04:05 |
| dieman` | at least | 04:05 |
| zerojay | dieman`: I know, but people have been getting it from there. | 04:05 |
| zerojay | Yeah. :( | 04:05 |
| dieman` | well, the discount code doesn't work yet :) | 04:05 |
| elb | the real point is, you can't even order with the discount code | 04:05 |
| K`zan | Not waiting for one here. I think I'd be much happer with the 800 and MY choice of keyboard and GPS... | 04:06 |
| elb | so it doesn't matter what it says the date is | 04:06 |
| dieman` | i dont mind waiting | 04:06 |
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| elb | I am hoping to get mine before I fly to Russia for the new year | 04:06 |
| elb | other than that, I can wait ;-) | 04:06 |
| K`zan | Took the n800 with me today and was rather amazed at the number of WAPs out there. | 04:07 |
| K`zan | One more try to see if Gizmo will install. | 04:07 |
| zerojay | There's one near my work that I use most of the day, but the signal is pretty weak. | 04:08 |
| K`zan | Would be nice if it told you WHY it won't install... | 04:08 |
| dieman | work has a ton of access points | 04:08 |
| zerojay | Look in Logs... | 04:08 |
| dieman | so no worries there | 04:08 |
| zerojay | dieman: You don't work at a place like I do then. ;) | 04:08 |
| K`zan | Logs? /var/log maybe? | 04:08 |
| zerojay | K`zan: Open the application's menu and choose Tools -> Log | 04:08 |
| K`zan | Hard to get my head aligned with the fact that this is linux :-). Too braindead from all the years of Palms :). | 04:09 |
| K`zan | zerojay: Thanks :) if it fails again, I'll check that out. | 04:09 |
| K`zan | apparently blew up trying to over write a .png file on the SD card... | 04:11 |
| K`zan | No.... | 04:12 |
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| K`zan | In .usr/share/icons/highcolor/scalable/hildon/gizmo-project.png which is also in the package gizmo-installer ... dpkg-deb-subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe). | 04:13 |
| K`zan | Must be an 810 only app? | 04:14 |
| elb | sounds like you already have a gizmo package installed | 04:14 |
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| K`zan | Don't think so, ran that from the communications folder, but let me check and see. | 04:15 |
| K`zan | Nope not showing in the installed apps view | 04:16 |
| K`zan | If I hadn't told my friend I was installing it and would give him a call, it would have installed LOL! | 04:16 |
| elb | gizmo-installer is apparently installed, or you would not have gotten that error | 04:17 |
| elb | if you have a shell, dpkg -l | grep gizmo might be instructional | 04:17 |
| K`zan | Err, of course the installer is installed, that is how I was installing it :). | 04:17 |
| elb | then the package is broken | 04:17 |
| elb | if one package installs a second package which contains the same file as the first | 04:18 |
| K`zan | Nokia-N800-:~# dpkg -l | grep gizmo | 04:18 |
| K`zan | ii gizmo-installer 0.79 Installer utility application for Gizmo. | 04:18 |
| K`zan | Makes me wonder what else might be broken in 2008 if the included stuff is broken :-/. | 04:19 |
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| K`zan | Starting to wonder if it might be wise to re-flash 2007 until they actually release 2008 for the n800?!? | 04:20 |
| zerojay | K`zan: No need for the Gizmo client to use your Gizmo account on IT2008. | 04:20 |
| K`zan | zerojay: Kind of hard to use it if you can't install it :). | 04:21 |
| zerojay | You don't need to install it. | 04:21 |
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| * K`zan cornfuzed... | 04:21 | |
| zerojay | You can add your Gizmo account as a SIP account. | 04:21 |
| elb | yeah, I don't get why people complain about *anything* in an unreleased operating system they hijacked via an unsupported process | 04:21 |
| zerojay | And use the built-in SIP client. | 04:21 |
| zerojay | Haha. | 04:22 |
| K`zan | Ah, might be useful to have a Gizmo account then :). Lemme go see what that entails. | 04:22 |
| zerojay | Wait wait wait. | 04:22 |
| K`zan | I assumed all that would be taken care of by installing it. | 04:22 |
| K`zan | Rather in the process of ... | 04:22 |
| zerojay | You don't have an account with gizmo yet? | 04:22 |
| K`zan | Nope | 04:22 |
| zerojay | I think you can just sign up on the website, but I might be wrong. | 04:22 |
| K`zan | Lemme go find them and see, | 04:23 |
| K`zan | . | 04:23 |
| zerojay | Once you have your account, you can use the instructions at http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ (Gizmo = sipphone). | 04:23 |
| K`zan | Still trying to find their website, bookmarked that for when I do :). | 04:25 |
| zerojay | gizmoproject.com | 04:26 |
| K`zan | Thanks! | 04:26 |
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| K`zan | Still rooting through the site, looks like you sign up from within their software, but still looking... | 04:29 |
| K`zan | There does appear to be separate ones for the n800 and n810 though. | 04:29 |
| K`zan | Yep: | 04:31 |
| K`zan | Free Sign Up! | 04:31 |
| K`zan | Download and install Gizmo Project to sign up. | 04:31 |
| K`zan | When you have set up your account, you can return to this page. | 04:31 |
| K`zan | Gonna try the n800 one off their site... | 04:32 |
| K`zan | Nope that one croaks for the same reason, oh well. | 04:34 |
| zerojay | Get the one for N810. | 04:38 |
| zerojay | Anyone know if there's a VNC program for OS2008 yet? | 04:39 |
| mariorz_ | how hard would it be to port a lis interpreter tot he device | 04:39 |
| mariorz_ | ? | 04:39 |
| mariorz_ | is it a matter of just compiling for it? | 04:40 |
| mariorz_ | lisp* | 04:40 |
| K`zan | zerojay: Lemme try that one then... | 04:40 |
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| K`zan | Installed the RPM here if all else fails... | 04:41 |
| K`zan | zerojay: That one won't install either... | 04:42 |
| K`zan | Same result. | 04:42 |
| zerojay | Well, I don't know then. | 04:42 |
| K`zan | Me either :). I can set it up on the desktop here and then do the SIP setup thing on the n800, perhaps that will work. | 04:43 |
| K`zan | Appreciate you help with this. Wonder if it is just me or if the packages are all hosed?!? | 04:43 |
| zerojay | That should work. | 04:45 |
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| tsavola | Mon 23:43 czr> hmm. is the recommended way to use emacs within the sdk stiff using emacsclient? | 06:23 |
| tsavola | it works if you have emacs21 | 06:23 |
| tsavola | emacs22 has much more advanced emacsclient, so the protocol may have changed | 06:23 |
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| K`zan | Is it just me or is "control panel->applications->organize" really hosed in 2008. Just went in to delete Gizmo and the delete option (and rename) are greyed out. Moving an app is also flakey as hell (can be done, but takes a great number of attempts). | 06:27 |
| K`zan | Seems like you can delete folders but not anything in the contents?!? | 06:27 |
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| K`zan | cd /var/log | 06:30 |
| K`zan | ww | 06:30 |
| K`zan | empty :-( | 06:31 |
| K`zan | tried creating a "trash" category and was going to move what I don't want into that and delete it (can do that) but 25 drags and drops and Gizmo will not move, I give up :-(. | 06:32 |
| pupnik | you can enable logs somehow | 06:35 |
| pupnik | what rolls down stairs, alone or in pairs? all over your neighbors' dog? | 06:35 |
| pupnik | what's great for a snack, it fits on your back? It's log, log, LOG! | 06:35 |
| K`zan | LOL | 06:36 |
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| K`zan | about ready to reflash 2007. | 06:36 |
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| K`zan | sync | 06:40 |
| K`zan | exit | 06:40 |
| K`zan | Argh, fbreader looses the book I was reading if I close it and it isn't in the recent list. Sigh... | 06:48 |
| K`zan | Seems to be just too many problems with 2008, going to try 2007 and see if they all exist there. | 06:49 |
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| rhykin | whats the best codec to re-encode videos into for the n800 | 06:56 |
| rhykin | anyone have any input? | 06:56 |
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| bjv | -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4 ? | 06:59 |
| pupnik | 770-encode? | 06:59 |
| _Monkey | somebody said 770-encode was now known at tablet-encode and can be found at http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:59 |
| pupnik | i prefer XviD at 300-800kb/s depending on source type | 07:00 |
| bjv | -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4 -vf crop=704:352:8:64,scale=400:-2 -ffourcc DIVX -ofps 17000/1001 is what i run on dvd rips | 07:00 |
| pupnik | bjv: N800 can handle that resolution? | 07:01 |
| pupnik | oh sorry i see the scale now | 07:01 |
| bjv | thats 400 pixels wide, it doubles to 800xwhtever | 07:01 |
| bjv | i have a 770 | 07:01 |
| pupnik | thanks, didn't know about the -2 parameter to scale= | 07:02 |
| pupnik | what bitrate do you set? | 07:02 |
| rhykin | are those mencoder flags? | 07:02 |
| bjv | yeah | 07:02 |
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| bjv | variable bitrate i think, max would be whatever 400:-2 at 17fps is | 07:04 |
| rhykin | any reason 17fps? | 07:04 |
| rhykin | instead of 30 or 24 | 07:05 |
| bjv | if i go lower i loose detail in action scenes | 07:05 |
| bjv | filesize is the only reason i dont do 24 | 07:05 |
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| bjv | filesize/horsepower on the 770 | 07:06 |
| rhykin | gotcha | 07:06 |
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| K`zan | Anyone know how to back up the install in the n800 just in case one might want to put it back intact? | 07:06 |
| Robdgreat | so at 17 you don't lose too much detail, then | 07:07 |
| Robdgreat | good to know | 07:07 |
| bjv | yeah, those are dvd rips, it seems like i encode anime VHS rips at 352:208, -ofps 15 | 07:08 |
| bjv | i think ive gone as low as 13 for VHS cartoons | 07:09 |
| Tb0n3 | I don't know why, but I am interested in a thread about pens | 07:09 |
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| Robdgreat | pens can be fascinating | 07:10 |
| Robdgreat | what's it about in particular | 07:10 |
| rhykin | man | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | pens people like | 07:12 |
| rhykin | i always get a "Codec not supported" or "Video resolution not supported" message | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | I like my Pilot V5 | 07:12 |
| Robdgreat | I've always been a Pilot fan | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | I've always loved the V5s | 07:12 |
| Robdgreat | ever use a Varsity? | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | served me well | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | no | 07:12 |
| Robdgreat | disposable fountain pen, by pilot | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | I've heard good things about the Zebra F-301 though | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | oh yeah | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | saw those | 07:12 |
| Robdgreat | somewhat hard to find in my experience | 07:12 |
| Tb0n3 | I know exactly where to find them, but only in 4 color packs | 07:13 |
| Robdgreat | I found them at office depot in town, can't remember what packaging | 07:13 |
| pupnik_ | rhykin: use mplayer to play back | 07:13 |
| Robdgreat | I believe I got a 4-color pakc | 07:13 |
| Tb0n3 | staples sells them, I know cause I work there | 07:14 |
| Robdgreat | first saw them at the LSU bookstore | 07:14 |
| Tb0n3 | man, i'm gonna have to return my router | 07:15 |
| Tb0n3 | netgear and it keeps screwing up so I have to unplug it to get wireless to work again | 07:15 |
| Tb0n3 | or is that somebody in the area | 07:15 |
| Robdgreat | change channel? | 07:16 |
| _Monkey | Robdgreat: that doesn't look right | 07:16 |
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| Robdgreat | eh. | 07:16 |
| Tb0n3 | I've got it on channel 1 | 07:16 |
| rhykin | pupnik: crap heh | 07:16 |
| Robdgreat | hmm | 07:16 |
| Tb0n3 | that's usually the best, I've had it happen before and I'm just going to exchange it for the same one, maybe go to a linksys for $10 more | 07:16 |
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| Robdgreat | well, I just confirmed that there isn't a staples within 50 miles of me | 07:17 |
| Robdgreat | didn't think there was | 07:18 |
| Robdgreat | yeah one of my neighbors is already on 1 | 07:18 |
| rhykin | nvm, foudn the deb | 07:18 |
| Tb0n3 | lol | 07:18 |
| Robdgreat | I was on 6 for nearly 2 years | 07:18 |
| Robdgreat | until just recently I changed to maybe 8 | 07:18 |
| Robdgreat | pretty saturated in my building :/ | 07:19 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer is the king of video playback. like.. you know. godzilla or something | 07:19 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer? | 07:19 |
| pupnik_ | the monkey used to have a link for it | 07:20 |
| pupnik_ | oh there it went | 07:20 |
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| pupnik_ | mplayer? | 07:20 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that mplayer is down, that's what's up | 07:20 |
| pupnik_ | _Monkey: forget mplayer | 07:21 |
| _Monkey | pupnik_: I forgot mplayer | 07:21 |
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| pupnik_ | _Monkey: mplayer is a high-performance video player for the tablet OS: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mplayer | 07:21 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik_. | 07:21 |
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| Tb0n3 | for some reason mplayer never worked for me | 07:22 |
| Tb0n3 | well, it worked once and never worked again | 07:22 |
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| Tb0n3 | I am amazed that such heavy opinions can be placed on pens | 07:33 |
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| CaptLloyd | I think my N810 is shipping tomorrow, yay! | 07:44 |
| K`zan | :-) | 07:45 |
| K`zan | How does one get in to change paswords on the n800/2007? | 07:46 |
| CaptLloyd | They called me today to confirm I still wanted my preorder and my address | 07:46 |
| K`zan | something to do with "gainroot" but how. | 07:46 |
| K`zan | Got my n800 last friday, understand the eagerness :)! | 07:46 |
| CaptLloyd | I shoulda gotten Next day, heeh | 07:48 |
| CaptLloyd | I thought it was gonna ship on a friday, so it wouldn't have mattered | 07:49 |
| K`zan | I even splurged for 2 day :) | 07:50 |
| CaptLloyd | Yeah, I got 2 day on mine | 07:50 |
| CaptLloyd | Where'd you get yours? | 07:51 |
| K`zan | buy.com | 07:52 |
| _Monkey | i heard buy.com was awesome because they ship free and dont charge tax a lot of places | 07:52 |
| K`zan | 800 not 810 | 07:52 |
| CaptLloyd | yeah, buy.com has the best price | 07:52 |
| K`zan | Ship free if you don't mind a week or so. | 07:52 |
| CaptLloyd | I got my MiniSD 4GB, for less than $20 shipped using buy.com and google checkout | 07:52 |
| K`zan | 810 was a bit much $$$ for me and I'd rather have my choice of keyboard and GPS. | 07:53 |
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| K`zan | Coool :-). | 07:53 |
| CaptLloyd | I think it took uhm maybe 5 days | 07:53 |
| K`zan | Already I want 8G cards :), limping along with a 4G and 1G for now :-). | 07:53 |
| CaptLloyd | hehe | 07:53 |
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| CaptLloyd | I really wanted a keyboard on the thing so I got an N810 | 07:53 |
| K`zan | I was eager, I went for the 2 day, something I almost never do :) | 07:53 |
| CaptLloyd | the GPS is cool, but wasn't a must | 07:54 |
| K`zan | Mixed emotions about that, Beats hell out of tapping if you are doing much. | 07:54 |
| CaptLloyd | It cost almost 2x what an N800 would have been tho | 07:54 |
| K`zan | Yep, true. | 07:54 |
| CaptLloyd | I want to use it primarily for IM | 07:54 |
| K`zan | I've been stuck with built in stuff that I wasn't happy with before and I already have a good GPS anyway. | 07:54 |
| CaptLloyd | I don't compose a lot of emails. | 07:54 |
| K`zan | Good :-) | 07:55 |
| K`zan | I did one reply to the guy that turned me on to the tablets and was pretty much over tapping by the time I got done with it. | 07:55 |
| K`zan | Took it for a ride tonight and was rather amazed at the number of WAPs out there. | 07:56 |
| K`zan | Even a fair number open. | 07:56 |
| K`zan | But here I think it is a crime to use an open WAP unless you are physcially on the site. | 07:57 |
| K`zan | They humg some kid for doing it from the library parking lot after hours. | 07:57 |
| CaptLloyd | yeah | 07:58 |
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| l7 | K`zan: whoa, where did that happen? | 07:58 |
| l7 | it's illegal to use a WAP after hours? that's crazy | 07:59 |
| K`zan | IIRC it was Seattle, but I am no longer sure, it was a while back. | 07:59 |
| l7 | dang | 07:59 |
| K`zan | Yep. | 07:59 |
| CaptLloyd | Most places do not allow you to use other peoples access without permission | 07:59 |
| l7 | that's weird | 08:00 |
| K`zan | True, but... | 08:00 |
| l7 | they should use WPA then | 08:00 |
| l7 | or turn it off after hours | 08:00 |
| K`zan | If it is open to the public, it is OPEN to the public. | 08:00 |
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| l7 | yeah i don't really see who is harmed by that | 08:00 |
| K`zan | Yep, but we couldn't have the gov start being responsible for their actions here... | 08:00 |
| K`zan | No one, but the cops and lawyers made out on the deal... | 08:01 |
| l7 | ah, that's too bad | 08:01 |
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| l7 | i could see the point if he was trying to hack into their computers | 08:01 |
| K`zan | No one was harmed, but it is the LAW. Small wonder no one respects the law much anymore :-(. | 08:02 |
| l7 | but if he was just using their wifi to get online, it seems silly | 08:02 |
| K`zan | Yep, that is what everyone I have talked to has said too. | 08:02 |
| K`zan | BFD... | 08:02 |
| K`zan | Unless they just want to play the power over game and here they LOVE it :-(. | 08:02 |
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| l7 | ah well, that's unfortunate | 08:04 |
| l7 | in unrelated news, i haven't seen many n810 reviews online yet | 08:04 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 08:05 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 08:05 |
| l7 | no entry for n810 yet | 08:06 |
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| K`zan | On installing jooleem, I got red pill mode on just apt-get install libsdlttf to get that? | 08:07 |
| K`zan | Nope... | 08:08 |
| K`zan | Not in any of the obvious places, any ideas for where to find "libsdlttf" ? | 08:10 |
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| CaptLloyd | Hmm | 08:15 |
| CaptLloyd | its part of SDL I assume | 08:15 |
| CaptLloyd | but I'm not sure what SDL package you need | 08:15 |
| K`zan | No idea, google wasn't much help either... | 08:15 |
| K`zan | For installing jooleem game | 08:15 |
| K`zan | the | 08:16 |
| CaptLloyd | Try sdl_ttf for the package? | 08:16 |
| CaptLloyd | or SDL_ttf | 08:16 |
| K`zan | Several variations, no luck. | 08:16 |
| K`zan | I love stuff like that, it assumes you know what and where something needed is :-/. | 08:16 |
| K`zan | Much to learn yet, much to learn :-). | 08:17 |
| K`zan | Hope FBReader for 2007 doesn't loose my book and my place in it when it gets closed... | 08:17 |
| K`zan | Heh, had enough for today, catch Y'all on the morrow - night all. | 08:18 |
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| CaptLloyd | laters | 08:19 |
| Andy80 | hi | 08:19 |
| pupnik | i built libsdl-ttf2.0-0_2.0.8-3_armel.deb for my repo but it's gregale / 770 | 08:20 |
| pupnik | i told him about gronmayer | 08:21 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: you getting n810? | 08:32 |
| pupnik | yes if i live that long | 08:33 |
| solmumaha | got the discount? | 08:34 |
| pupnik | i'm getting some things done now again | 08:34 |
| pupnik | yeah | 08:34 |
| solmumaha | great | 08:34 |
| pupnik | a nice motivational bump, that was | 08:34 |
| solmumaha | i bet | 08:34 |
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| |R | pupnik : though since the code arrived, it's like being tortured with needles every second haha ;) | 08:36 |
| mariorz_ | whats the best wat yo flash gui methor or nokia pproved? | 08:37 |
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| pupnik | do you think it would better for dosbox to have its own launcher program, with settings and shortcuts to games, or have the frontend integrated into xmaemoe (the NES, GBA, MAME launcher) | 08:40 |
| pupnik | s/xmaemoe/xmaeme/ | 08:41 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: do you think it would better for dosbox to have its own launcher program, with settings and shortcuts to games, or have the frontend integrated into xmaeme (the NES, GBA, MAME launcher) | 08:41 |
| mariorz_ | ha nice bot | 08:41 |
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| pupnik | i'm adding it to xmaeme right now, but there are some UI things i'm not happy about, and which i couldn't change without Tak's help and approval | 08:42 |
| mariorz_ | if its not exclusivly for games have its own launcher i think | 08:43 |
| pupnik | I did hear of one person running a non-game app on it. | 08:47 |
| pupnik | Will go with the standalone launcher. Thx. | 08:48 |
| mariorz_ | haha well yeah i guess not much else to run but games | 08:48 |
| pupnik | I'll use Tak's launcher as a framework, so he can integrate it in if he wants later. | 08:49 |
| mariorz_ | what device you own? yyo or 800? | 08:49 |
| mariorz_ | 770 | 08:49 |
| pupnik | Main thing is it needs a better scrolly list 770 | 08:49 |
| pupnik | It is fun launching dos games straight from menu | 08:49 |
| pupnik | Without mucking around with dos commands at all | 08:50 |
| mariorz_ | you run 2007 or 2006 on that? | 08:50 |
| pupnik | tried 2007 but had instability so went back to 2006 | 08:50 |
| mariorz_ | hmmm | 08:50 |
| mariorz_ | i tought it was all stable | 08:50 |
| pupnik | there's a very new 2007 that might be stable now | 08:50 |
| mariorz_ | just got a 770 not sure if i should do it | 08:51 |
| mariorz_ | how do i check if its a new model maybe it was in stock or whatever im in mexico | 08:51 |
| mariorz_ | manual is in spanish | 08:51 |
| pupnik | 770 always ships with OS2006 | 08:51 |
| mariorz_ | i know | 08:51 |
| mariorz_ | ohh you mean new 2007 os | 08:52 |
| mariorz_ | i tought new 770 | 08:52 |
| pupnik | yeah they fixed a memory leak a couple weeks ago | 08:52 |
| pupnik | ok | 08:52 |
| mariorz_ | ignore very late | 08:52 |
| mariorz_ | ok so prbly try and see wtf no? | 08:52 |
| pupnik | yeah it's easy to install and go back | 08:52 |
| pupnik | just takes some time to reinstall applications | 08:53 |
| mariorz_ | i do loose whatever i have installed now no? | 08:53 |
| mariorz_ | ok yeagh | 08:53 |
| lopz | bye | 08:54 |
| Andy80 | mariorz_: yes... I must admit that the new 2007 HE for 770 is very stable. The device remains a big and slow pachiderm, but at least it's stable :) | 08:56 |
| mariorz_ | Andy80: its slower than with 2006? | 08:56 |
| Andy80 | mariorz_: no, not slower than 2006, it's the device itself that is slow | 08:57 |
| mariorz_ | oh ok | 08:57 |
| mariorz_ | cool ill give it a try | 08:58 |
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| unique311 | sucks...i got a virus. | 09:16 |
| mariorz_ | in what os? | 09:16 |
| unique311 | guess | 09:17 |
| mariorz_ | not windows surely | 09:17 |
| unique311 | yes | 09:17 |
| unique311 | can seem to remove the reg key or delete the file as admin | 09:17 |
| mariorz_ | how come youre running windows? | 09:18 |
| unique311 | desktop | 09:18 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... desktop is a product | 09:18 |
| unique311 | photoshop illustrator, painter | 09:18 |
| unique311 | all the goodies i can't do without | 09:18 |
| mariorz_ | osx? | 09:18 |
| _Monkey | osx is not a good environment for scratchbox. Google says it is possible to run virtualisatino with VMware and Parallels desktop, wherein a linux OS running scratchbox is possible. | 09:18 |
| unique311 | well, i tried installing that on my other desktop the other day. | 09:19 |
| unique311 | but failed at it. | 09:19 |
| unique311 | hey windows is not that awful. | 09:19 |
| mariorz_ | suposeedly its cake ith leopard | 09:19 |
| unique311 | except when you catch what i have. | 09:20 |
| Andy80 | Windows is able to run a lot of software.... virus too :D | 09:20 |
| unique311 | i know | 09:20 |
| unique311 | i just hate the cleaning up. | 09:20 |
| unique311 | even after the cleaning up, you do so much damage that a reinstall is still likely | 09:20 |
| unique311 | well i have another desktop running vista, might just install osx on the on one with the virus | 09:21 |
| unique311 | osx86 that is. | 09:21 |
| l7 | how did you get the virus? | 09:21 |
| unique311 | not sure. | 09:21 |
| unique311 | playing with stuff i should;ve never been playing with i guess | 09:22 |
| l7 | ah that's what scares me about running windows | 09:22 |
| unique311 | my fault | 09:22 |
| l7 | were you running AVG? | 09:22 |
| unique311 | yes | 09:22 |
| l7 | dang | 09:22 |
| l7 | i run AVG too, but i've heard it doesn't get everything | 09:22 |
| unique311 | it doesn't | 09:22 |
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| unique311 | my problem with this thing is that the autostart key i can delete | 09:23 |
| l7 | crap well i guess no more banking on the windoze machine for me | 09:23 |
| unique311 | and the program itself | 09:23 |
| unique311 | not really the program | 09:23 |
| unique311 | but the autostart key | 09:23 |
| unique311 | lol | 09:23 |
| l7 | hrm so it keeps trying to start itself? | 09:23 |
| unique311 | if i cannot delete the key as admin, then im screwed. | 09:23 |
| unique311 | it starts itself | 09:23 |
| l7 | yeah, probably better do a reinstall | 09:23 |
| unique311 | and if im connected to the net, it installs all other types of virus | 09:24 |
| unique311 | trojans and what not | 09:24 |
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| l7 | yikes | 09:24 |
| unique311 | should be possible to remove the registry key | 09:24 |
| unique311 | well i'm home till friday, good workout, i guess | 09:25 |
| unique311 | didn't have to remove a virus in like 2 years. | 09:25 |
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| mariorz_ | "Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 09:46 |
| mariorz_ | " | 09:46 |
| mariorz_ | i swithced the device on and nada, should i wait longer? | 09:46 |
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| mariorz_ | nvm | 09:46 |
| Andy80 | mariorz_: you've to switch on the device keeping the HOME button pressed | 09:47 |
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| mariorz_ | nothing happende booted normaly | 09:48 |
| mariorz_ | it think its doing it | 09:52 |
| mariorz_ | i | 09:53 |
| Andy80 | no... you should see in the terminal that it's flashing it | 09:54 |
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| Andy80 | mariorz_: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ | 09:55 |
| mariorz_ | Finishing flashing... done | 09:55 |
| mariorz_ | its booting :D | 09:55 |
| Andy80 | mariorz_: NOTE: use flasher-3.0 NOT 2.0 | 09:55 |
| mariorz_ | ehh i used 2.0 im on mac os x | 09:55 |
| Andy80 | ah ok | 09:55 |
| mariorz_ | cool worked | 09:56 |
| mariorz_ | select lang screen etc | 09:56 |
| Andy80 | mariorz_: you flashed the latest HE? | 09:57 |
| mariorz_ | yup | 09:57 |
| Andy80 | you'll notice a better look :) | 09:57 |
| mariorz_ | gtk looks better or | 09:57 |
| mariorz_ | haha yeah was typing | 09:57 |
| mariorz_ | rawks | 09:58 |
| mariorz_ | haaha ok now im on the home | 09:58 |
| mariorz_ | i was impressed by the prettier dialogs | 09:59 |
| truls | hm,any encryptionservices available from python in maemo? | 09:59 |
| truls | as in doing simple password-encryption of data before storing to file | 10:00 |
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| Andy80 | truls: store an md5 checksum, instead of password... it could be a solution | 10:01 |
| Andy80 | really don't know what kind of cripto libraries are available in maemo | 10:02 |
| mariorz_ | there is no red pill mode on os2007? | 10:02 |
| truls | Andy80: i'm doing a password safe-thingy. soo... | 10:02 |
| Andy80 | mariorz_: yes it should be there... | 10:03 |
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| mariorz_ | i do the matrx cancel thing and no dialog comes up | 10:03 |
| Andy80 | it works here... | 10:04 |
| truls | i might do something easy in C and pyrex it or something, but i'm still such a newb regarding packing stuff so was hoping for a pure python-solution to keep it simple | 10:04 |
| mariorz_ | ok im doign something wrong | 10:04 |
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| unique311 | i think its a conspiracy, the same companies who make anti virus, are the ones putting these virus. | 10:04 |
| truls | only the east europeans | 10:04 |
| mariorz_ | thats been said since the 80s | 10:05 |
| mariorz_ | actually now a day with the botnets there is a monetay incentive for viurs/trojan makers | 10:07 |
| mariorz_ | monetary | 10:07 |
| truls | they just need to scare people more | 10:08 |
| mariorz_ | how so | 10:08 |
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| truls | i mean the antivirusmakers | 10:08 |
| truls | through the botnets | 10:08 |
| unique311_ | at least i found a fix for this trojan, | 10:08 |
| truls | so people buy more antivirus | 10:08 |
| unique311_ | whatever it is. | 10:08 |
| truls | unique311_: windows trojan? | 10:09 |
| unique311_ | ya | 10:09 |
| mariorz_ | but the botnet owners are also making moeny no? | 10:09 |
| mariorz_ | old days virus makers iddnt make moeny directly | 10:09 |
| truls | so what did they do? | 10:10 |
| mariorz_ | there is a bigger incentive for wirting trojans today | 10:10 |
| unique311_ | whats the incentive? | 10:10 |
| truls | girls | 10:10 |
| mariorz_ | i belive the correct therm is chicz0rs | 10:10 |
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| truls | ah, i stand corrected | 10:10 |
| unique311_ | they don't get girls. | 10:11 |
| mariorz_ | i know | 10:11 |
| truls | that's why they need to write trojans | 10:11 |
| mariorz_ | money dont this botnets make money ? | 10:11 |
| unique311_ | respect from the scene i guess | 10:11 |
| mariorz_ | or i read to much wired | 10:11 |
| mariorz_ | triugh spamiing etc | 10:11 |
| truls | depends who hires them | 10:12 |
| truls | some might be strongarmed by higher ups.. and don't end up with money | 10:12 |
| unique311_ | the antivirus companies | 10:12 |
| truls | just get to keep their fingers and stuff | 10:12 |
| unique311_ | hire them | 10:12 |
| * truls needs python-crypto | 10:13 | |
| truls | ack | 10:13 |
| mariorz_ | you really think there is a chippig off fingers type of mafia invloved in this? | 10:13 |
| mariorz_ | chopping | 10:13 |
| truls | i have an active imagination | 10:13 |
| truls | so wouldn't be surprised | 10:14 |
| mariorz_ | haha could be i really have no idea | 10:14 |
| unique311_ | well disconnected that desktop from the network. | 10:15 |
| unique311_ | my first love is infested | 10:16 |
| unique311_ | piss me off | 10:16 |
| mariorz_ | 98% of virus come troug pron sites | 10:16 |
| mariorz_ | just saying | 10:16 |
| mariorz_ | :S | 10:16 |
| unique311_ | no porn here | 10:16 |
| truls | it all got deleted by the trojan? | 10:17 |
| mariorz_ | also 74% of all statistics ar made up on the spot! | 10:17 |
| mariorz_ | :P | 10:17 |
| unique311_ | i kinda fucked up, and ran a keygen in safe mode. :( | 10:18 |
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| mariorz_ | anyone got a link for that osso-xterm package with the shortcuts | 10:32 |
| mariorz_ | ? | 10:32 |
| mariorz_ | the on on the maemo repository is the old one i thikn | 10:33 |
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| czr | mornink | 10:34 |
| mariorz_ | eveningk more like! | 10:34 |
| czr | like mo mornink | 10:34 |
| * czr pulls up a fight | 10:34 | |
| * mariorz_ gets his stabby tool | 10:35 | |
| * czr puts on his feathery chicken armor | 10:35 | |
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| czr | made of out sacrificial virgin chickens! | 10:36 |
| mariorz_ | virgin chicks! | 10:36 |
| mariorz_ | those can fly! | 10:36 |
| czr | they can? cool. | 10:36 |
| mariorz_ | well ofc | 10:37 |
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| * czr grows tired of this chicken & stabby tool game and replaced chicken armor with OMG-its-maemo-armor. | 10:40 | |
| czr | replaces even | 10:40 |
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| mariorz_ | where dpes the maemo anme come from btw? | 10:42 |
| czr | how much will you pay me if I tell you? | 10:42 |
| mariorz_ | is that a nokia thing? | 10:42 |
| czr | note, I already have all the virgin chickens that I need | 10:42 |
| czr | it's a nokia trademark nowadays yes, but it wasn't when maemo was launched | 10:43 |
| czr | mariorz_, it was generated with pwgen and it looked like something but didn't mean anything. | 10:43 |
| suihkulokki | czr: you got it wrong, you need virgins *and* chickens | 10:43 |
| mariorz_ | i only participate in financial trnasaction via quails nowaday | 10:43 |
| czr | suihkulokki, damn, explains a _lot_ of things! | 10:44 |
| czr | "now you tell me" | 10:44 |
| * czr goes to sulk in the corner | 10:44 | |
| mariorz_ | interesting | 10:44 |
| czr | mariorz_, legends also tell that if you place three virgin chickens to point at 120 degree intervals at dawn on news-years even in lapland, they will form the letters maemo in the cold freezing air. | 10:45 |
| czr | new-years even. | 10:46 |
| mariorz_ | i heard that one | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| solmumaha | huomenta | 10:47 |
| czr | dobroe utro | 10:47 |
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| czr | solmumaha, your nick somehow reminds me of a hostname of one of my deceased computers. it was suoliharja. | 10:51 |
| solmumaha | :) | 10:53 |
| solmumaha | friend gave me this nick after a fundoplication surgery | 10:55 |
| czr | ah, heh. ok then :-) | 10:55 |
| solmumaha | so i actually do have a knot in my stomach | 10:55 |
| czr | indeed | 10:56 |
| czr | had to look that one up in wikipedia | 10:56 |
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| solmumaha | can't blame you :) | 10:56 |
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| czr | it sounded like "fun duplication", but I guess not much fun replicated then | 10:56 |
| solmumaha | well i'm having fun now | 10:58 |
| * czr nods | 10:58 | |
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| mariorz_ | the 800 has a faster processor or is the difference only the keyboard? | 11:07 |
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| czr | mariorz_, keyboard and gps and screen | 11:08 |
| czr | and you get one less memory card slots. also it's sligthly smaller | 11:08 |
| inz | and heavier | 11:08 |
| mariorz_ | larger screen? | 11:08 |
| czr | mariorz_, the processors are the same on 810 and 800, but you need OS2008 to run them at 400MHz max | 11:08 |
| czr | mariorz_, same size screen, better contrast | 11:08 |
| mariorz_ | is the keyboard good or too small? | 11:09 |
| czr | inz, yes, although I can't really tell the two apart by weight | 11:09 |
| czr | mariorz_, you'll have to try yourself | 11:09 |
| mariorz_ | so procesor wise 770 < 800 = 810 ? | 11:09 |
| czr | I guess so, if you want to put it that way :-) | 11:09 |
| czr | support wise too ;-) | 11:10 |
| mariorz_ | heh | 11:10 |
| mariorz_ | i just got a 770 as agift 2 days ago | 11:10 |
| czr | ah, I see | 11:10 |
| mariorz_ | pretty happy even if its unsupported tough :D | 11:10 |
| czr | maybe N will come out with 2008HE at some point then | 11:10 |
| mariorz_ | i had no idea this things existed man! | 11:10 |
| mariorz_ | with linux! | 11:10 |
| czr | mariorz_, you don't use linux a lot I guess? :-) | 11:11 |
| mariorz_ | i used too along time ago | 11:11 |
| czr | ITs have been all over the place when they launched and launch :-) | 11:11 |
| czr | they get free press coverage in all linux magazines, it's scary. | 11:11 |
| mariorz_ | well i kind of stayed out of the IT loppp :P, since i got too college | 11:11 |
| mariorz_ | used to program and read all kinds of stuff back in hs | 11:12 |
| mariorz_ | but made a mistake some years ago choosed a wrong carrer and stoped haking.. im getting back to it | 11:12 |
| czr | hmm. what did you choose? | 11:13 |
| mariorz_ | s/carrer/major | 11:13 |
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| mariorz_ | industrial engineering | 11:13 |
| mariorz_ | boring as hell | 11:13 |
| czr | hmm. the sound that collapsing bridges make didn't quite tickle your fancy? :-) | 11:13 |
| mariorz_ | ha that woudl proabably be more fun! | 11:14 |
| mariorz_ | alas i dont get to do that | 11:14 |
| mariorz_ | i oversee quality control | 11:14 |
| mariorz_ | that kind of lame stuff | 11:14 |
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| czr | a lot of the industrial engineering stuff is slowly being converted to discrete controllers anyway. just way 10 years, and only embedded software will be used with new installations | 11:14 |
| mariorz_ | operations reseach is cool tough | 11:14 |
| czr | ah. maybe I'm thinking of the wrong kind of industrial engineering. the term is vague. I think on purpose, and my virginal chickens agree. | 11:15 |
| mariorz_ | lol | 11:15 |
| mariorz_ | yeah the whole major is vague really | 11:15 |
| mariorz_ | were administrative engineers who mostly work on manufacturing plants | 11:16 |
| mariorz_ | its actually lamer thant that sounded | 11:16 |
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| czr | mm. paper pushing with hard hats? | 11:16 |
| mariorz_ | exactamundo | 11:16 |
| * czr gets the picture | 11:16 | |
| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:17 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: ping | 11:22 |
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| mariorz_ | ehh not to sound like a script kidde but does aircrakc-ptw really work as advertised? | 11:32 |
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| mariorz_ | scary | 11:33 |
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| matt_c | http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1169511 yay! | 11:36 |
| Spakman | Anyone know how to create main menu items to launch a Ruby script in OS2007 or OS2008? | 11:37 |
| l7 | anyone looking for a semi-bargain on a thinkoutside keyboard? | 11:42 |
| l7 | looks like they're on sale at midnight box, not sure how good they are though | 11:42 |
| timelyx | usb? | 11:42 |
| l7 | bluetooth | 11:42 |
| l7 | http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2524884 | 11:43 |
| l7 | they're selling it for $50 + shipping and tax | 11:43 |
| * timelyx is broke | 11:43 | |
| l7 | ah too bad | 11:44 |
| l7 | i'd be broke too after buying all this gear :) | 11:44 |
| timelyx | traveling is a better way to go broke | 11:45 |
| * czr votes for drinking | 11:45 | |
| czr | morning timelyx | 11:45 |
| l7 | it's slightly cheaper than mobileplanet.com offer that a lot of people on ITT used | 11:45 |
| timelyx | drinking is cheaper | 11:46 |
| timelyx | morning | 11:47 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 11:47 |
| * timelyx considers kill-toying _Monkey | 11:47 | |
| timelyx | search fdjhkhfg dfgfdgf | 11:47 |
| l7 | anyone know how reliable mobileplanet is? | 11:47 |
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| czr | timelyx, it is indeed. hence more fun for longer time :-) | 11:49 |
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| czr | l7, the one that we live on hasn't exploded yet at least | 11:49 |
| l7 | czr: clever, but i meant mobileplanet.com :) | 11:52 |
| l7 | i'm a little dubious about ours though | 11:52 |
| l7 | someone should check the manufacturer warranty | 11:52 |
| czr | I wouldn't worry. this little rock will outlast all of us. | 11:52 |
| l7 | yeah, i guess the rock will be around | 11:53 |
| l7 | i'll miss the other stuff | 11:53 |
| czr | you can always watch DVD remakes of old westerns to remind you how it was | 11:53 |
| czr | or maybe even some nature shows :-) | 11:53 |
| l7 | lol | 11:54 |
| l7 | some people claim nature is better on HD-DVD than in real life | 11:55 |
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| czr | only if the disc is enhanced with moistorama and smellorama | 12:00 |
| rothiel | hi guys :) | 12:00 |
| czr | and tiger-running-after-your-ass-o-rama. | 12:00 |
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| mariorz_ | woot in os 2007 you never leave fullscreen | 12:03 |
| czr | in deep space no one can hear you scream | 12:08 |
| jumpula | in #maemo no one can hear you scream | 12:08 |
| czr | jumpula, yes. #maemo is like deep space. | 12:08 |
| czr | in deep Nokia, no one can hear the developers scream | 12:09 |
| * czr hides & runs | 12:10 | |
| czr | wearing the chicken-battle-armor | 12:10 |
| pupnik | the thinkoutside keyboard was kind of pricey at $120 here | 12:11 |
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| pupnik | of course this is a converted price; i wasn't paying in imperial federal reserve notes | 12:12 |
| czr | you could try to pay them in lemons | 12:12 |
| czr | or salt. I hear salt is pretty valuable. | 12:13 |
| pupnik | i have never seen a good analysis of why stuff has such different prices in different countries | 12:15 |
| czr | marketing | 12:16 |
| czr | or market analysis really, not marketing | 12:16 |
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| pupnik | i think govt is involved. for e.g. smuggling a thousand N800s in from the USA to germany would have netted you about 120 thousand euros | 12:17 |
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| czr | that's where import customs will hit you | 12:17 |
| pupnik | price difference has been evened out a bit | 12:17 |
| czr | also sometimes export customs :-) | 12:17 |
| czr | and VAT and all that | 12:17 |
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| czr | but yeah, it's not a reason, just makes it not very profitable to do it legally | 12:18 |
| czr | you can also build market barriers artificially, using DRMesque techniques. | 12:18 |
| czr | or CSS for that matter | 12:18 |
| pupnik | oh well, food and beer are very cheap where i live | 12:19 |
| czr | food is subsidised in most of western countries | 12:20 |
| czr | beer partly too (because of grain subsidies) | 12:20 |
| pupnik | true | 12:20 |
| czr | although you normally also have alcohol tax, to offset things, but still. | 12:20 |
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| pupnik | alright N810 out in compusa also now | 12:26 |
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| pupnik | can anybody explain the logic of shipping units to resellers like that, when the nokia stores have zero listings for N810, and zero chances to pre-order? | 12:27 |
| pupnik | or why the USA gets products made in Finland first? | 12:28 |
| pupnik | i can only hope they're defective | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | heh ;) If you could only buy those at US rates... Almost 50% discount for us europeans... | 12:29 |
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| * pupnik ... big time tablet smuggler, flying under the law | 12:40 | |
| czr | grepping for "internet table" is somewhat humiliating | 12:43 |
| czr | "time tablet smuggler" | 12:43 |
| czr | way cooler than internet tablets | 12:44 |
| czr | hmm. maybe I should buy an N810 as well | 12:44 |
| czr | not sure if can be bothered though. | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | czr: Readable in daylight, is a main plus for me. | 12:45 |
| * czr nods | 12:45 | |
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| pupnik | i really thought i could not be persuaded to upgrade, but there are too many things that don't run fast enough on 770 | 12:50 |
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| pupnik | and that's really just lazy programming, but that's what's avaiable | 12:50 |
| robtaylor | czr: ooh, now that's what i want in the office, an internet table! | 12:50 |
| dubqup | hello there | 12:50 |
| pupnik | moo | 12:51 |
| czr | robtaylor, if you play your cards right, I might be able to sell you a couple of internet chairs as well | 12:51 |
| dubqup | when my n800 is really off (batery was removed first) and i connect it to the ac adapter it boots | 12:52 |
| dubqup | how can i turn that off? | 12:52 |
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| rothiel | reall | 12:53 |
| robtaylor | czr: heh:) | 12:53 |
| pupnik | dubqup: i don't think you can - charging management is handled in software, if i recall right | 12:53 |
| dubqup | czr: maybe you should visit ikea's "internet chattels" section | 12:54 |
| dubqup | pupnik: ? | 12:54 |
| czr | dubqup, I'm banned from .ikea TLD | 12:54 |
| dubqup | czr: top level domain? | 12:55 |
| czr | dubqup, tried to convince them that their "maemo kitchen-ware" series violated the nokia trademark | 12:55 |
| czr | sure ;-) | 12:55 |
| dubqup | kk ;) | 12:55 |
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| czr | hmm. should trademark violations be filed against the public bugzilla as well? | 12:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:00 |
| alterego | Took them long enough to get glade in pygtk .. | 13:05 |
| czr | I wish python+gtk would be first class citizens in maemo | 13:06 |
| alterego | I wish that of ruby | 13:06 |
| czr | alterego btw, I now mention the using ruby will also be possible "soon" in the material ;-) | 13:06 |
| czr | didn't put any link, since couldn't find anything | 13:06 |
| alterego | "soon" .. | 13:06 |
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| czr | if you have something (stable), I can sneak it in | 13:07 |
| alterego | It's feature full enough. | 13:07 |
| czr | link-wise stable I mean | 13:07 |
| alterego | Ah. | 13:07 |
| alterego | That'd be http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo | 13:07 |
| czr | how stable is that? | 13:07 |
| alterego | Perm | 13:07 |
| czr | great. | 13:07 |
| alterego | Thanks ;) | 13:08 |
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| dubqup | which one do you like more? | 13:08 |
| dubqup | http://mitglied.lycos.de/wawawan/ikia.jpg | 13:08 |
| dubqup | or | 13:08 |
| dubqup | http://mitglied.lycos.de/wawawan/nokea.jpg | 13:08 |
| dubqup | gimp work! | 13:09 |
| czr | alterego, done. | 13:09 |
| czr | let's see if it survives the review round. /me hopes it does. | 13:09 |
| alterego | :) | 13:10 |
| dubqup | these are my suggestions to the ikea internet family | 13:10 |
| alterego | If only I could get it in extras devel | 13:10 |
| murrayc_ | czr: It's not a trademark violation if it's not a related product. e.g. Apple Records and Apple Computers. | 13:10 |
| czr | murrayc_, ok, trademark dilution then | 13:10 |
| alterego | I don't want to setup my own deb repo >:( | 13:10 |
| murrayc_ | czr: Good luck at law school. | 13:10 |
| dubqup | alterego: why not? | 13:10 |
| alterego | Hah | 13:11 |
| alterego | There are enough debian repositories for maemo already. | 13:11 |
| dubqup | a bunch of scripts to keep it up to date with fresh builds... | 13:11 |
| czr | murrayc_, so I guess the maemo trademark usage guidelines can be used as toilet paper then? | 13:11 |
| alterego | Not to mention I'd have to learn how to set it up and maintain it. | 13:11 |
| dubqup | alterego: and dead references are a must! | 13:11 |
| dubqup | alterego: setting it up is quite easy... | 13:12 |
| dubqup | building 'nice' packages is much more work ;) | 13:12 |
| alterego | Still, I don't have the time now and what would be the point? | 13:12 |
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| alterego | Though I was thinking of converting all the gems I could find into debs, | 13:13 |
| alterego | I don't think that's a great idea as the application manager would grow substantially .. | 13:13 |
| czr | personally I don't like the Extras-menu any more | 13:14 |
| czr | it's too crowded | 13:14 |
| alterego | You could reorganise it ;) | 13:15 |
| * czr doesn't look like he cares much | 13:15 | |
| dubqup | czr: do you know how i can 'install' an app with it's menu-entry outside 'extras' in the 'startmenu' ? | 13:15 |
| czr | dubqup, I don't know much | 13:15 |
| czr | and my legal career is borked too, thanks to murrayc_ | 13:16 |
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| alterego | Hah | 13:16 |
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| dubqup | czr: who does?? | 13:16 |
| czr | dubqup, hang around, maybe someone will know | 13:17 |
| lardman | morning all | 13:17 |
| pupnik | greets lardman | 13:18 |
| alterego | I think it's unfair the US get N810's before the UK :( | 13:18 |
| alterego | The UK is _closer_ to finland! | 13:18 |
| czr | maybe NZ got them first then | 13:19 |
| alterego | They're going the wrong way around the planet? | 13:20 |
| pupnik | maybe european distributors are just lazy | 13:20 |
| * alterego weeps | 13:21 | |
| alterego | czr, if I give you my discount code will you mail me an N810? :D | 13:21 |
| inz | dubqup, I think there's no official way to put it to certain menu, but there's a way to present the user with a selection dialog | 13:21 |
| dubqup | maybee finland is just a bit crazy.... as everyone is ;) | 13:21 |
| czr | alterego, I don't know if they're on sale here | 13:21 |
| dubqup | inz: where does it store the information?? | 13:21 |
| lardman | bigger market in the US, plus more publicity | 13:21 |
| bedboi | is there any unofficial ETA/rumor for European distribution | 13:21 |
| dubqup | so i could set it manually (from a script) | 13:21 |
| inz | dubqup, no idea | 13:21 |
| dubqup | inz: so how can i show the dialog? | 13:22 |
| pupnik | bedboi: expansis was talking about end of november | 13:22 |
| pupnik | sys | 13:22 |
| bedboi | oh damn. | 13:22 |
| alterego | bedboi, some time in the not so distant future. That help? :) | 13:22 |
| lardman | Quim did say they are working behind the scenes | 13:22 |
| bedboi | alterego: no, i hate the fuzzy dates :) | 13:22 |
| alterego | In my mind if is pretty much the end of november :) | 13:22 |
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| alterego | Some time in the next 8 days then? :) | 13:23 |
| bedboi | yep, i guess that's a fair date, and i'm quite confident nokia is working hard to do this asap | 13:23 |
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| alterego | Doesn't seem like much of a wait but it sure feels like it ^_^ | 13:23 |
| lardman | :) tell me about it! | 13:23 |
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| inz | dubqup, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html | 13:23 |
| alterego | But we should probably all relax a bit :) | 13:23 |
| inz | dubqup, section "Utilities to use in maintainer scripts" | 13:23 |
| pupnik | and hardware doesn't magically get copied like software when it's done | 13:24 |
| pupnik | anybody know where they're being manufactured? | 13:25 |
| alterego | I just hope by the time I find out that it's been launched in this country it's not sold out before I order one ;) | 13:25 |
| czr | lardman, actually quim said they're working silently ;-) | 13:25 |
| vegai | has it been launched anywhere yet? | 13:26 |
| czr | vegai, US | 13:26 |
| alterego | Hahah | 13:26 |
| * alterego contemplates ordering one from the US. | 13:26 | |
| * vegai contemplates doing something useful meanwhile :-P | 13:26 | |
| alterego | I could get it posted to a APO .. | 13:27 |
| * czr wonders whether to eat first, work later, or work later and eat first. | 13:27 | |
| alterego | He's a funny one is Quim Gil :) | 13:28 |
| alterego | I suppose in his position you've got to have a sense of humour. | 13:28 |
| inz | czr, multitask! | 13:29 |
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| czr | inz, makes my brain hurt :-) | 13:29 |
| czr | it will just all end up badly, filled with NAO failed! messages | 13:29 |
| alterego | You should try drinking what I had last night :/ | 13:29 |
| czr | alterego, drinking sounds perfect right now | 13:30 |
| alterego | Hah | 13:30 |
| lardman | koen: ping | 13:35 |
| inz | czr, upgrade your brain to multi-core | 13:36 |
| czr | inz, wouldn't that lead to race-conditions? | 13:37 |
| czr | I'm still running squshyOS 0.1 from 76 you know. | 13:37 |
| czr | none of this fancy 2000s thingies | 13:37 |
| czr | squishyeven | 13:37 |
| inz | czr, then you need to upgrade your software too ;) | 13:38 |
| czr | damn, but I like my 0.2 bit memories :-) | 13:38 |
| czr | maybe food is the strategically correct choice now though. | 13:39 |
| czr | inz, I added the dilbert strip to the release notes of the material now | 13:39 |
| czr | I put in under: 3. Important motivational comic strip | 13:39 |
| czr | (this one: http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=dilbert&i=2258 ) | 13:39 |
| suihkulokki | czr: you should embed something like "if this text is left here, nobody bothered to review this documentation. Use at your own risk" | 13:42 |
| czr | suihkulokki, who says I haven't? | 13:42 |
| suihkulokki | :P | 13:42 |
| czr | :-) | 13:43 |
| czr | infact, a lot of those things have gone unnoticed so far through each and every review :-) | 13:43 |
| czr | but they're more subtle | 13:43 |
| alterego | I wish I didn't have to work. Then I could play with ruby-maemo all day every day :) | 13:44 |
| inz | czr, =) | 13:46 |
| Veggen_ | my goal is to own 2.5 million euro. That should be enough for living off the interests for the rest of your life ;) | 13:47 |
| Veggen_ | (and then I should do only open source things - and/or just things I want :) | 13:47 |
| alterego | Yeah, that'd be fun. | 13:48 |
| alterego | There should be some kind of grant that makes that possible :) | 13:48 |
| czr | inz, fitting, isn't it? :-) | 13:49 |
| inz | czr, yeah | 13:49 |
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| czr | food & nap -> | 13:51 |
| lardman | Anyone Mamona related on here atm? | 13:51 |
| alterego | Pffft .. | 13:51 |
| alterego | A nap at this time of the day? | 13:51 |
| alterego | It'd be all right .. If you were 2! :P | 13:51 |
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| czr | alterego, I always nap after food. keeps me going into the night :-) | 13:52 |
| czr | always = when working at home | 13:52 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 13:53 |
| alterego | I wish I could do that :P | 13:53 |
| alterego | I always want a nap after breakfast. | 13:54 |
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| pupnik | funny thing is going on welfare means you can spend your time programming and doing whatever you want - as long as it doesn't cost money | 14:00 |
| alterego | Yeah, welfare isn't much in this country at all. | 14:04 |
| alterego | Barely enough to live. | 14:04 |
| derf | I think that's kind of the idea. | 14:06 |
| alterego | Even if you're on disability ? | 14:07 |
| derf | In this country disability and welfare are different things. | 14:07 |
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| alterego | They are here too. | 14:08 |
| alterego | I was pointing out that disability is also very small :) | 14:08 |
| derf | Well, that sounds like a legitimate complaint. | 14:08 |
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| L0cutus | hello | 14:13 |
| L0cutus | anyone is using synergy on n800 ? | 14:13 |
| pupnik | any productive work that results in > 50% the product of your labor being taken by force is not worth engaging in | 14:13 |
| pupnik | L0cutus: yes many people | 14:14 |
| dubqup | inz: ty! | 14:15 |
| L0cutus | pupnik: if i have understand well this thing (synergy) on my pc i switch to n800 with mouse | 14:15 |
| pupnik | yes | 14:15 |
| L0cutus | (direction i have configured on synergy.conf) | 14:15 |
| pupnik | and synergys runs on pc and synergyc runs on n800 | 14:15 |
| L0cutus | after that, mous isn't visible at all true ? | 14:16 |
| L0cutus | mouse* | 14:16 |
| pupnik | yes. but you can change this | 14:16 |
| L0cutus | hu ? | 14:16 |
| pupnik | you can make mouse appear on n800 | 14:16 |
| L0cutus | n800 doesn't have mouse pointer | 14:16 |
| L0cutus | how ? | 14:16 |
| pupnik | synergy? | 14:16 |
| _Monkey | synergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unique311/ and for 770 http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb | 14:16 |
| pupnik | hmm there is a script | 14:16 |
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| L0cutus | for now all is functioning ok but no visible mouse pointr on n800 | 14:17 |
| L0cutus | i have read this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9009 | 14:18 |
| pupnik | you just need one command in the shell. but i forgot it | 14:21 |
| L0cutus | uaz :) | 14:23 |
| L0cutus | i try to search on itt | 14:23 |
| pupnik | i tried too, maybe the synergy projects on garage have the howto | 14:24 |
| pupnik | sorry | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | L0cutus: The mouse pointer icon is replaced by a transparant one. That is why you don't see it, IIRC. | 14:27 |
| L0cutus | X-Fade: so no solution ? | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | L0cutus: Just replace the icon? :) | 14:28 |
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| L0cutus | hem how ? :D | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | Find the file and copy another over it? | 14:29 |
| dubqup | lol | 14:30 |
| pupnik | the first time i copied a cursor over the transparent nokia X cursor | 14:30 |
| pupnik | but there is a trick that just involves moving files in the /home/user directory | 14:30 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: .icons perhaps? | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | xcursor-transparent in /home/user/.icons | 14:31 |
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| pupnik | that's it | 14:31 |
| pupnik | i think | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | xcursor-transparent -> /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | So just change that symlink | 14:32 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. microb doesn't do image scaling? | 14:37 |
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| dubqup | alterego: isn't microb from southpark? | 14:44 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: It doesn't scale backgrounds at least. I filed a bug for that.. | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | No replies from the microb team after 2007-08-02 though. | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1671 | 15:02 |
| alterego | Not just backgrounds. All images. | 15:04 |
| alterego | Doesn't do any scaling. | 15:04 |
| alterego | Unless you're viewing it as an image. Which it does that zoom out thing like firefox. | 15:04 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: Please add that to that bug? | 15:06 |
| alterego | Sure, in a bit. | 15:10 |
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| Spakman | alterego: can the ruby-maemo bindings access bluetooth devices? I've got a GPS device I'm trying to get some NMEA info from (OS2008) | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | alterego: so a 1x1 grey gif shown with <img src="dot.gif" width="100" height="100" /> will display as a single pixel? | 15:24 |
| alterego | Jaffa, I believe so. | 15:25 |
| alterego | I've been doing the opposite. | 15:25 |
| alterego | And it's cliping my images | 15:25 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: blimey, that's a corker of a bug | 15:37 |
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| alterego | I was wondering whether it was a feature ;) | 15:39 |
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| truls | hm, strange, i can ssh in to my n800 as root and start my program manually, but not using ssh directly.... | 16:12 |
| truls | (NameError: global name '_gtk' is not defined) | 16:12 |
| truls | python gtk thing | 16:12 |
| fysa | DISPLAY=:0.0 | 16:12 |
| L0cutus | also via ssh i'm unable ti unstall programs | 16:12 |
| fysa | ? | 16:12 |
| L0cutus | ti=to | 16:12 |
| truls | doh | 16:12 |
| truls | maybe | 16:12 |
| L0cutus | when it ask 'source is not certified etc...'install ? (y/N) | 16:13 |
| L0cutus | even if i press y it exit | 16:13 |
| truls | fysa: thanks :) | 16:13 |
| fysa | cool | 16:13 |
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| truls | fysa: was confused by the fact that it worked when ssh-ing in | 16:14 |
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| truls | wow, that messed up all the theme-settings of the application in a cool way | 16:14 |
| fysa | doh | 16:15 |
| fysa | maybe you can 'su user' | 16:15 |
| truls | i'll just ssh in as the user directly i guess | 16:15 |
| truls | just have to set a password | 16:15 |
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| JesperCheetah | I've just managed to install ejabberd along with jjigw, and would like to use these from my N800. However, I can't figure out how to set my nickname? It works fine with Psi, which has a nice nickname field | 16:19 |
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| truls | hm, no go | 16:19 |
| truls | guess environment might not be properly set... | 16:19 |
| Tak- | truls: do `python -V` both ways? | 16:23 |
| truls | both ways? | 16:23 |
| truls | version is 2.5.1 | 16:25 |
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| skibur | hello fellow hackers | 16:27 |
| truls | Tak-: confused | 16:27 |
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| Tak- | nvm | 16:29 |
| timeless | jaffa: ping | 16:30 |
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| Spakman | alterego: can the ruby-maemo bindings access bluetooth devices? I've got a GPS device I'm trying to get some NMEA info from (OS2008) | 16:33 |
| truls | ok, running through the busybox shell seems to fix things | 16:34 |
| alterego | Spakman, should you not be going through gpsd? | 16:34 |
| truls | ssh user@192.168.11.4 -t "DISPLAY=:0.0 sh --login -c ./yaysafe.py" | 16:34 |
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| truls | actually DISPLAY and -t aren't needed either | 16:35 |
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| Jaffa | timless: pong | 16:36 |
| timeless | you never finished off the bug filing :(~ | 16:36 |
| Jaffa | Ah, true. I got distracted by other work. | 16:36 |
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| alterego | That's interesting. After I restarted the browser the images are resized properly. | 16:43 |
| alterego | Guess it's not a missing feature after all. | 16:43 |
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| lophyte | hey all' | 16:43 |
| kaltsi | hmm where can I get libglade2-0.. ukmp doesn't want to install without it | 16:43 |
| lophyte | kaltsi, thanks for the help last night.. got my n800 working again | 16:44 |
| kaltsi | lophyte: oh good to hear :) | 16:44 |
| lophyte | the continuous rebooting scared me | 16:44 |
| lophyte | I had to flash it so I lost all my installed apps.. | 16:44 |
| kaltsi | that's unfortunate :( | 16:45 |
| lophyte | yeah, oh well | 16:45 |
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| lophyte | my wireless network at home doesn't work well with my n800 for some reason | 16:51 |
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| penguinbait | lophyte, mine either | 16:52 |
| lophyte | what router do you have? | 16:52 |
| penguinbait | i replaced my ap yesterday, now it works great | 16:53 |
| lophyte | nice | 16:53 |
| lophyte | my ap is a linux box with a wireless card | 16:53 |
| penguinbait | it was old linksys wap2.2 | 16:53 |
| lophyte | with buggy drivers | 16:53 |
| penguinbait | ah | 16:53 |
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| L0cutus | seems the synergy cursor on n800 is show only inside applications, not on maemo interface, is this ok ? | 16:53 |
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| penguinbait | that linksys has always had problems with 770/800 | 16:54 |
| lophyte | I'm hoping to get a linksys wrt54-gl | 16:54 |
| lophyte | hopefully that'll fix it up | 16:54 |
| penguinbait | i got a free netgear, its working great | 16:54 |
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| lophyte | nice | 16:58 |
| penguinbait | I just used Kword on n800 to print business cards | 16:58 |
| lophyte | I have a preference toward linksys... | 16:58 |
| penguinbait | sweet | 16:58 |
| penguinbait | I like linksys also, I had problems with my last one, but it was running dlink firmware :) | 16:59 |
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| truls | ack, brain is frying from trying to make this python-app friendly (and runnably) on both desktop and hildon | 17:00 |
| L0cutus | pupnik: is this the script you mean ? : https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1121 | 17:01 |
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| vishnu_ | is there a wireless-tools port for os2008? | 17:11 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm Nokia released a beta for a video converter for Windows. http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/videoconverter | 17:14 |
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| czr | kaltsi, you lazy boy! I see that 2313 is still unresolved :-) | 17:37 |
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| kaltsi | czr I won't fix that myself, hopefully someone grabs the ball | 17:39 |
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| czr | salty chocolate? | 17:39 |
| kaltsi | tomorrow we have a meeting and I'll ask about that one too | 17:39 |
| czr | sure. it's not that critical to me anyway, now that I know to avoid it :-) | 17:40 |
| czr | 2312 is more important | 17:40 |
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| kaltsi | what I did though.. I added a delay feature to screenshot-tool :) | 17:41 |
| * matt_c wonders if anyone has spotted OS2008 for the N800 yet | 17:41 | |
| czr | kaltsi, which one? I thought inz was behind the mh-snapshot-thingy | 17:41 |
| kaltsi | just a command line util screenshot-tool | 17:42 |
| czr | s/snapshot/screenshot/ | 17:42 |
| infobot | czr meant: kaltsi, which one? I thought inz was behind the mh-screenshot-thingy | 17:42 |
| czr | bleh. | 17:42 |
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| Tieku | hello! | 17:42 |
| czr | yeah, delays are pretty useful in screenshotting stuff. too bad none of the themes on the device are copyright free? | 17:42 |
| kaltsi | howdy | 17:42 |
| Tieku | i just got my n800 this morning :) any avilable for a couple of quick questions? - struggling to find answers | 17:43 |
| kaltsi | ask away, maybe someone knows the answer :) | 17:43 |
| czr | Tieku, just drop your questions on this channel and see what happens :-) | 17:43 |
| Tieku | cheers | 17:43 |
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| Tieku | is it possible/easy to access samba shares through the n800? why am i only finding resources for the n770 :-S | 17:44 |
| dubqup | 9783827372055 | 17:44 |
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| czr | Tieku, not directly out of the box. not sure how difficult it would be to build the cifs driver for the device though. | 17:45 |
| czr | or you could go userspace and use smbclient or something like that, porting that shouldn't be that hard. | 17:45 |
| amr | you can do it using the 770? :o | 17:46 |
| Tieku | i've never ported anything :-S this is soundunng tricky. thanks for yuour advice. | 17:46 |
| Tieku | is anyone running 2008 on an n800? | 17:46 |
| czr | Tieku, I'd consider finding alternatives first if building per se sounds scary. scp maybe? | 17:46 |
| czr | Tieku, yes. | 17:47 |
| Tieku | czr: what is scp? | 17:47 |
| _Monkey | scp is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local and a remote host or between two remote hosts, using the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. SCP means Secure Copy (See openssh) | 17:47 |
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| czr | damn, _Monkey is useful at least once during it's lifetime | 17:47 |
| Tieku | :-) quick too | 17:47 |
| czr | she's a quick little monkey | 17:47 |
| Tak | I use scp/gftp for all my file transfer needs | 17:48 |
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| Tieku | I didn't want to transfer just read from... there seems to be some apps on maemo but struggled to install them | 17:48 |
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| Tieku | what are the top community sites for working on an n800? | 17:49 |
| czr | maemo.org at least has some links to them | 17:49 |
| czr | you could start there | 17:49 |
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| czr | interestingly enough the site doesn't work for me right now. hmm. | 17:51 |
| Tak | hooray! | 17:51 |
| czr | tak :-) | 17:51 |
| Tieku | i've been using it for a few days. sometimes its down for long periods | 17:51 |
| czr | but it isn't even late night or anything, why did it break down already? | 17:51 |
| Tieku | working for me now. who runs it? | 17:52 |
| czr | bleh. bugzilla works. | 17:52 |
| czr | Tieku, some non-nokia company | 17:52 |
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| czr | ah, works here too. now. | 17:53 |
| Tieku | czr: which tablet are you using? | 17:53 |
| czr | hmm. none really. but I have them all :-) | 17:54 |
| czr | have = they're in front of me, while I don't technically own them all. | 17:54 |
| Tieku | which os do you have running on your n800? | 17:54 |
| czr | 2008 | 17:54 |
| Tieku | :-D | 17:55 |
| czr | unreleased version. | 17:55 |
| Tieku | have you a link to a howto? | 17:55 |
| czr | howto on what? | 17:55 |
| Tieku | install 2008 | 17:55 |
| Tieku | flash* | 17:55 |
| czr | I don't think it's available for N800 officially yet. | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | Tieku: He has an official 2008 flash file from Nokia directly ;) | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | Not that 'hack'. | 17:56 |
| Tieku | i know. but i read about it before getting the handset. it was my intention | 17:56 |
| czr | some people have installed the 2008 image that was meant for N810 on their N800. but that's not really what you want to do. | 17:56 |
| Tieku | czr: is that not what you have done? | 17:56 |
| czr | Tieku, no. see what x-fade wrote. | 17:56 |
| Tieku | oh i see. thanks x-fade | 17:56 |
| * Tieku stumped... | 17:56 | |
| czr | I'd think the 2008 release will be soon available. don't know when though. | 17:57 |
| Tieku | which browser engine is 2008 using? | 17:57 |
| czr | microb | 17:57 |
| _Monkey | microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) | 17:57 |
| Tieku | cool | 17:58 |
| Tieku | is there a 2007 including microb? | 17:58 |
| czr | hmm. I think the latest 2007HE for the 770 has it | 17:58 |
| czr | but for N800, no. | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Tieku: browser.garage.maemo.org | 17:58 |
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| X-Fade | You can download it there for N800. | 17:58 |
| czr | ah, yes. you can install microb yourself of course :-) | 17:58 |
| Tieku | why is the 770 so active compared to the n800? | 17:58 |
| cesman | 2008 does look great! However, unless the app(s) you use have been ported, I'd suggest waiting. | 17:58 |
| Tieku | X-Fade: thanks! | 17:59 |
| * cesman flashed back after a day | 17:59 | |
| czr | Tieku, it's not really :-) | 17:59 |
| Tieku | im very new and currently using no apps. keen to have a good browser and ideally samba access | 17:59 |
| czr | transparent smb? | 17:59 |
| Tieku | i dont know what you mean be transparent smb. i have a nas drive running samba which i would like to access the files | 18:00 |
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| fysa | Anyone here with an N810 that can comment on typing speed/ease with the pull-out versus on-screen? | 18:01 |
| czr | transparent = so that you don't copy files first in order to use them | 18:01 |
| czr | fysa, the hw keyboard feel is very subjective. | 18:02 |
| czr | some people get used to it quickly, some don't. | 18:02 |
| Tieku | yes its transparent i want :) | 18:02 |
| fysa | I guess the biggest boost would be the extra screen space you gain by not needing the vkb.. | 18:02 |
| czr | Tieku, you might want to google some more, or if you can't find anything, you might want to ask on maemo-users mailing list (seek more wisdom in maemo.org) | 18:02 |
| czr | fysa, it is convenient, yes. esp with x-term | 18:03 |
| Tieku | czr thanks. googling has been difficult so far :) but will keep at it | 18:03 |
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| czr | Tieku, do a search on maemo-user archives then. if you find nothing, post an email there. I'm sure you're not alone. | 18:04 |
| Tieku | X-Fade: im downloading RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is that a OS file i need to flash? | 18:04 |
| czr | technically packaging together a cifs driver shouldn't be all that impossible. | 18:04 |
| zoran | Tieku, something liek samba client? | 18:04 |
| Tieku | i've read alot about it happening just not had any luck. | 18:04 |
| czr | zoran, transparent one | 18:04 |
| Tieku | zoran: yes | 18:04 |
| zoran | in ports for gregale I see a lot of stuff like that | 18:04 |
| czr | I'm thinking of either an smb module for gnome-vfs or the cifs driver directly to the kernel | 18:05 |
| czr | not sure how'd you enter smb-uris for gnomevfs in the file manager though. | 18:05 |
| czr | or media player for that matter | 18:05 |
| zoran | lemme check some perl/python option | 18:05 |
| Tieku | does anyone know what sort of file RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is? | 18:06 |
| lophyte | yeah its a bin file | 18:06 |
| lophyte | as in. bin(ary) | 18:06 |
| czr | combined fiasco I think | 18:07 |
| JesperCheetah | Seems like more people are awake now, so I'll just repeat my question from hours ago :) | 18:07 |
| Tieku | :-) binary.... hmm badly put question | 18:07 |
| JesperCheetah | I've just managed to install ejabberd along with jjigw, and would like to use these from my N800. However, I can't figure out how to set my nickname? It works fine with Psi, which has a nice nickname field | 18:07 |
| bill20r3 | /nick ? | 18:07 |
| Tieku | how do i install this binary file onto a n800? - via windows | 18:07 |
| zoran | hm, found a lot python samba modules; it could take days to rad all | 18:07 |
| JesperCheetah | /nick doesn't work. It just gets printed in the channel as any other message | 18:08 |
| Tieku | zoran, thanks for checking that out. but im very new so i'll hold back for a bit untill i've found my feet | 18:08 |
| JesperCheetah | And besides, it would be nice if I could set the nick before I even join any channels | 18:08 |
| zoran | Tieku, or samba with fuse? | 18:08 |
| Tieku | :-S what is fuse? | 18:08 |
| zoran | there is a link on swik.net | 18:09 |
| czr | Tieku, http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 (windows flasher/updater) | 18:09 |
| Tieku | czr: thankyou very much :D | 18:09 |
| czr | Tieku, thank google | 18:09 |
| Tieku | googles not been helpful to me today. lots of new terms to learn :) | 18:10 |
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| lophyte | is there a quick and easy way to remove a bunch of packages from the n800? | 18:13 |
| lophyte | ie. all the localization files | 18:13 |
| lophyte | apt-get doesn't accept wildcards :\ | 18:13 |
| suihkulokki | rm -rf / | 18:13 |
| amr | heh | 18:14 |
| lophyte | nice try | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | bergie/X-Fade: cron died on planet again? | 18:14 |
| lophyte | :P | 18:14 |
| derf | for i in ... ; do apt-get ... ; done | 18:14 |
| bergie | Jaffa: I guess so... damn virtual server | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: No, it has been stopped for the account reconstruction.. | 18:14 |
| lophyte | yeah I guess that works, but it involves typing out all the packages... | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | Or undelete.. | 18:14 |
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| derf | No, get apt to dump the list to a file. | 18:14 |
| lophyte | rm.. | 18:15 |
| lophyte | I know dpkg has an option for it | 18:15 |
| lophyte | somewhere... | 18:15 |
| lophyte | apt-cache pkgnames I think would work | 18:17 |
| zoran | lophyte, there is about million locale files ! | 18:17 |
| zoran | removing them from app manager is close to impossible | 18:18 |
| lophyte | yeah I'm not using app manager | 18:18 |
| zoran | some script that reads list and removes via whatever... | 18:18 |
| bill20r3 | anyone tried mame on a n810(or N800 with n810 firware?) I'm wondering if the extra speed makes it playable. | 18:19 |
| zoran | ls *extension | apt-get remove - | 18:19 |
| Tak | it's already playable, depending on the game | 18:19 |
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| bill20r3 | well, lets say "playable on more games" then. | 18:21 |
| czr | spellechecker suggests replacing Nokia with Nikita! | 18:21 |
| * Tak shrugs | 18:21 | |
| Tak | I doubt a few MHz boost is going to make a big difference | 18:22 |
| czr | I wonder if anyone would notice if I'd do a quick sed-job | 18:22 |
| lardman | Tak: 20% | 18:23 |
| * Tak continue doubting | 18:24 | |
| Tak | I'd like to see people trying xmame and fceu on N810 just so I could get some feedback, though ;-) | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ah. ETA? | 18:26 |
| amr | is the n810 capable of a 3d racing game? | 18:27 |
| amr | i might buy one if so ;) | 18:27 |
| lophyte | nice, it works too | 18:28 |
| lophyte | apt-get remove `apt-cache pkgnames osso-imageviewer` | 18:28 |
| Tak | no 3d hardware acceleration yet | 18:28 |
| amr | pah | 18:29 |
| lardman | I like the yet | 18:29 |
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| amr | lol | 18:29 |
| Tieku | i got the new microb installed :) more ajax sites work now! | 18:29 |
| amr | wooawoo | 18:30 |
| czr | Tieku, now you get a cleaner internet experience | 18:30 |
| shackan | does google reader work at last? | 18:30 |
| kulve | mobile version has worked always :) | 18:30 |
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| Tieku | hmmm im imagine so | 18:30 |
| kulve | pretty simple though.. | 18:30 |
| Tieku | netvibes works :) | 18:30 |
| Tieku | i'll test some google apps | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | Even renders the ACID2 test nicely.. | 18:31 |
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| Tieku | amazing microb | 18:37 |
| lophyte | arrrgh | 18:38 |
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| * lophyte needs to stop tinkering | 18:38 | |
| lophyte | acidentally removed osso-browser | 18:38 |
| lophyte | and it doesn't look like its in a repo anywhere.. | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | Whoa, the in-progress fixed profiles have given me a massive boost of karma | 18:39 |
| bill20r3 | did the "first 500" people to get N810's get decided based on karma? | 18:39 |
| kulve | same here. I though I've been just active :) | 18:39 |
| kulve | bill20r3: no | 18:40 |
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| kulve | bill20r3: karma was only one factor when deciding | 18:40 |
| _Monkey | was only one factor when deciding has neutral karma | 18:40 |
| kulve | _Monkey: wha? | 18:40 |
| _Monkey | kulve: i haven't a clue | 18:40 |
| kulve | I know | 18:40 |
| czr | can't one _please_ tell the person who runs monkey to do the answer-only-when-asked thingy | 18:40 |
| czr | +some | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | Hilarious answers sometimes ;) | 18:41 |
| czr | but it's so irritating :-) | 18:42 |
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| kulve | _Monkey: karma? | 18:45 |
| _Monkey | kulve: wish i knew | 18:45 |
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| X-Fade | _Monkey: karma kulve | 18:46 |
| _Monkey | kulve has neutral karma | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | Ah, It has a karma keyword :) | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | _Monkey: kulve++ | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | _Monkey: karma kulve++ | 18:46 |
| _Monkey | kulve++ has neutral karma | 18:46 |
| kulve | :) | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | _Monkey: karma kulve ++ | 18:46 |
| _Monkey | kulve ++ has neutral karma | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | I give up.. | 18:47 |
| Tak | why does the app catalog keep dropping my screenshots? | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | Tak: What kind of files are you using? | 18:49 |
| Tak | png | 18:49 |
| X-Fade | Tak: I have been investigating it a few times. I can't trigger it myself. Very frustrating ;) | 18:49 |
| Tak | it's happened to me several times with each of my projects | 18:50 |
| Tak | if I add a new screenshot, the old one suddenly shows up | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | All projects that were started before we split the catalog per OS? | 18:51 |
| Tak | yes. | 18:51 |
| Tak | I haven't added a new one to xmame/OS2007 yet if you'd like to take a look | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | Tak: Most of the time, deleting all screenshot and readding them helps.. | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | But I'm still not clear why it happens in the first place.. | 18:52 |
| Tak | yeah, I did that before | 18:52 |
| Tak | and then I went to update things after the OS split, and they were gone again (for OS2007) | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | yeah, because I had to remove the corrupted ones.. | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | There were no thumbnails for some, no original for others.. | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | Tak: I'll check it out some more tomorrow, I have to have some dinner first.. | 18:54 |
| Tak | ok, enjoy | 18:54 |
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| bedboi | when using USB networking is there any way to make maemo understand that you are actually connected? | 18:58 |
| truls | ack, forcefully (programatically) removing focus from a widget, so i can remove the keyboard was more tricky than i thought | 18:58 |
| truls | or rather, not as easy as i thought | 18:59 |
| Tieku | has anybody found a good way to have flash embedded videos play? | 19:04 |
| Tieku | *smoothly | 19:05 |
| kulve | how do my home applet get the osso_context_t from the desktop? I wouldn't want to do my own osso_initialize. | 19:05 |
| kulve | s,do,does, | 19:05 |
| bedboi | how to take screenshots with os2008? | 19:06 |
| kulve | bedboi: I (partly) ported my screen grabber for it, but somebody said that it doesn't work.. Want to test? | 19:07 |
| bedboi | kulve: sure | 19:07 |
| lardman | bedboi: for the gui you mean? | 19:07 |
| bedboi | btw ukmp seems not to work due to missing dependencies | 19:07 |
| bedboi | lardman: no... | 19:07 |
| bedboi | even the osso-screen... | 19:08 |
| kulve | bedboi: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blogstuff/maemo-screengrabber-chinook.install | 19:08 |
| lardman | there's a dummy connection you can "connect" so the maemo stuff thinks you're connected iirc | 19:08 |
| kulve | bedboi: you should have a menu entry after that. After starting, it will wait 5 secs, use osso-screenshot-tool (dependency) to take the shot, and save it to MyDocs/Images | 19:09 |
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| kulve | the infoprint is broken, since they changed the api and I don't know how to use the new one with dbus-send.. | 19:09 |
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| GNUton | hi! | 19:11 |
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| czr | kulve, ask alterego | 19:15 |
| czr | kulve, we discussed the new api just a day or two back | 19:15 |
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| alterego | Ah yes. | 19:16 |
| czr | or I can dig it out for you, if you like :-). but I'll have a quick smoke first | 19:16 |
| alterego | I've got it ;) | 19:16 |
| alterego | I suppose I should have finished writing that blog entry ^_^ | 19:17 |
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| alterego | kulve, dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Hello, world" | 19:18 |
| kulve | excellent, thx :) | 19:18 |
| truls | hm, i wonder if keeping the keyboard focus in a entry-widget even after it's not viewable anymore should be considered a hildon/gtk bug | 19:18 |
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| lardman | anyone happen to know what version binutils is in the SDK? | 19:28 |
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| kulve | ii binutils 2.16.91cs2005q3.2-5.osso1 The GNU assembler, linker and binary utiliti | 19:28 |
| kulve | chinook beta | 19:28 |
| lardman | thanks | 19:29 |
| kulve | same in final | 19:29 |
| lardman | I'm trying to build an oabi gpe-image to test the powervr binaries on | 19:29 |
| lardman | I guessed 2.16 to match gcc 3.4.4 so that should be ok | 19:30 |
| skibur | I want my OS2008 on my N800 | 19:32 |
| * Jaffa wants an N810. Life is full of delays :-/ | 19:33 | |
| lardman | Jaffa: Me too! | 19:34 |
| lardman | skibur: ITT.... | 19:34 |
| _Monkey | itt is probably http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 19:34 |
| lardman | _Monkey: useful twice in one day, well done :) | 19:34 |
| _Monkey | lardman: i'm not following you... | 19:34 |
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| czr | lardman, see, even monkeys don't want to follow you where you're going :-) | 19:37 |
| lardman | ah well, that's why they're still monkeys! | 19:37 |
| czr | true. and this one is special in many ways anyway | 19:38 |
| lardman | special needs.... | 19:38 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: I have http://direct.nokia.com/CountryHandler.ASPX?u=/Product.aspx?model=n810&Country=GB bookmarked, but it just goes to the N800 page on shop.nokia.co.uk atm :-( | 19:42 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: Well, hopefully soon then | 19:43 |
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| Jaffa | It's been doing it for ages :-/ | 19:44 |
| lardman | ah, I meant in general, not because of the redirect | 19:44 |
| * Jaffa is impatient (want the N810 for when I go on holiday at the start of December) | 19:44 | |
| lardman | I want for when I finally manage to get a gpe-image to build | 19:45 |
| lardman | (which will go on the N800) | 19:46 |
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| lophyte | it upsets me that "Toronto" isn't in the list of cities in the Clock applet | 19:51 |
| lophyte | :\ | 19:51 |
| lophyte | and Ottawa is | 19:51 |
| czr | hmm. maybe you can run a system-wide sed to replace ottawa into Tornto :-) | 19:52 |
| lophyte | haha | 19:52 |
| timeless | are they in the same timezone? | 19:52 |
| lophyte | yeah | 19:53 |
| penguinbait | yes Detroit isn't either | 19:53 |
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| lophyte | penguinbait, wow, that's wild | 19:53 |
| timeless | i think the goal was to make it easy to tap on the map | 19:53 |
| timeless | note that most things in California aren't on the map | 19:53 |
| timeless | which really annoyed me | 19:53 |
| timeless | also note that it's a royal pain to tag helsinki | 19:53 |
| timeless | which is kinda ironic | 19:53 |
| timeless | (it's easier to get tampere/talinn iirc) | 19:53 |
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| cosmo | maybe the map widget is coded at tampere | 19:54 |
| timeless | i'm sure someone told me who wrote it | 19:55 |
| timeless | the person was iirc proud of making sure that all map points were hittable | 19:55 |
| timeless | anyway, if you want complaints, the us has more cities that aren't listed that should be than canada :) | 19:56 |
| timeless | and there were a couple of other places who were also upset | 19:56 |
| timeless | i can't remember which others | 19:56 |
| lardman | Me, in Bath | 19:56 |
| lardman | Older than all your New World cities, ought to be on there ;) | 19:56 |
| timeless | in England? | 19:57 |
| lardman | yes | 19:57 |
| timeless | been there, not bad, not really worth mapping | 19:57 |
| timeless | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format | 19:57 |
| timeless | tar: Child returned status 1 | 19:57 |
| * timeless sighs | 19:57 | |
| * timeless considers fixing the script not to trigger that | 19:57 | |
| timeless | bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. | 19:57 |
| timeless | tar: Child returned status 2 | 19:57 |
| timeless | fun fun | 19:57 |
| timeless | my script is very stupid, if it looks like a tgz or bz2ball, it must be :) | 19:57 |
| lophyte | lol | 19:58 |
| * timeless applies script to another week | 19:58 | |
| lophyte | hey I got a question that I can't find the answer to.. when I'm done using USB networking, I rmmod g_ether.ko but the N800 refuses to show up as a usb file storage device on my Linux PC afterwards.. | 19:59 |
| lophyte | should I rmmod g_file_storage when I insmod g_ether and then vice versa when I'm done, or what | 20:00 |
| * timeless would have hoped this was doc'd on the wiki :) | 20:01 | |
| lophyte | yeah I looked around but I didn't see anything | 20:01 |
| lophyte | all I could find was "unplug the USB cable, rmmod g_ether and it will show up as a file storage device" | 20:02 |
| lophyte | but it doesn't | 20:02 |
| lophyte | I always try to RTFM first ;) | 20:02 |
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| bedboi | stupid scratchbox "You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first" | 20:05 |
| lophyte | lol | 20:06 |
| czr | bedboi, sb-conf killall | 20:06 |
| timeless | that's normal | 20:06 |
| timeless | you get used to it :) | 20:06 |
| czr | if you're in ARMEL though, that doesn't always help | 20:06 |
| czr | so logout and kill -9 scratchbox/qemus | 20:06 |
| bedboi | thanks, good too know | 20:06 |
| czr | and yes, it is slightly annoying. I'd like it to support multiple sessions simultanously | 20:07 |
| czr | tsavola, when will you fix it? :-) | 20:07 |
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| czr | inz, what do you mean with "I also have sb-conf in -e in .bashrc in scratchbox so the file gets copied to rootstrap too" | 20:13 |
| czr | esp the -e part? | 20:13 |
| bedboi | is there anything more stupid than the debian changelog ? | 20:14 |
| bedboi | -- maintainer name <email address>[two spaces] date | 20:15 |
| kulve | use debchange to edit it.. | 20:15 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 20:21 |
| penguinbait | I see the libsmbclient is now included in 2008OS, is there some new built in samba functionality? | 20:23 |
| L0cutus | ciao Andy80 | 20:25 |
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| Andy80 | L0cutus: ciao :) | 20:25 |
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| kulve | penguinbait: /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so | 20:36 |
| k-s[WORK] | http://blip.tv/file/494477 | 20:37 |
| penguinbait | kulve is what is that, the filemanager? | 20:38 |
| kulve | penguinbait: looks like gnome vfs module, so I guess all apps that uses gnomevfs can access files over samba | 20:38 |
| kulve | just guessing thouhg.. | 20:39 |
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| khertan | Hi | 20:39 |
| lophyte | hey khertan | 20:39 |
| khertan | Someone have the time to help me with a small little question about Gtk TextView ? | 20:40 |
| rghosh | what's the question? | 20:40 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that the question is whether you can mask it well enough that they wouldnt notice | 20:40 |
| khertan | i'm not an expert in gtk and i want to get callback when an user make a click that change the cursor position in a textview how can i do that ? | 20:40 |
| khertan | (i was writing it :) ) | 20:41 |
| khertan | 'hey lophyte | 20:41 |
| khertan | i don't find the right signal | 20:41 |
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| rghosh | move-cursor signal? | 20:41 |
| khertan | move-cursor only occurs when the cursor is moved with dpad on n800 | 20:41 |
| khertan | i ve try :) | 20:42 |
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| rghosh | hmm that sucks, here's an ugly idea: | 20:43 |
| rghosh | get the button-press signal | 20:43 |
| rghosh | and check the cursor position, if it's changed | 20:43 |
| khertan | hum ... this need an other button | 20:44 |
| amr | uhm | 20:44 |
| amr | how do i remove something from the extras menu | 20:44 |
| amr | i uninstalled 'cellphonetool' and its left the icon there | 20:45 |
| rghosh | textview derives from widget, which has a button-press-event signal | 20:45 |
| khertan | but the screen size of the it ... | 20:45 |
| khertan | rghosh: ah ! i ll try | 20:45 |
| alterego | amr, delete the desktop file in /usr/share/applications | 20:45 |
| amr | cheers | 20:45 |
| khertan | amr: take a look in /usr/share/application/hildon/bblablalesoft.desktop | 20:45 |
| alterego | amr, you should also contact the author and see why it's broken. | 20:46 |
| khertan | yes ... applications ... not application :) | 20:46 |
| amr | got it, cheers | 20:46 |
| tko | khertan: why do you want to know cursor position changed? | 20:46 |
| czr | khertan, does cellphonetool come with a custom icon? | 20:46 |
| czr | khertan, I mean, did you see the default "gray four boxes"-icon or something else when you had it installed? | 20:46 |
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| rghosh | khertan: but i don't see how to get the cursor position from the textview... | 20:48 |
| khertan | tko: for some test on an implementation of an auto-completion in PyGTKEditor ... i need it too for an other applications | 20:48 |
| khertan | rghosh ... i know how to get the cursor position ... | 20:48 |
| rghosh | out of curiosity, how? | 20:49 |
| khertan | simple ... textview.get_buffer().get_insert() | 20:49 |
| khertan | you get a TextMark :) | 20:49 |
| rghosh | ah nice ok | 20:50 |
| tko | khertan: maybe follow GtkTextBuffer::cursor-position property changes | 20:50 |
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| disq | gah. i just noticed, thumbkb won't work with editable gtklistview text items. bora and chinook. | 20:51 |
| khertan | hum button-press-event isn't the solution | 20:53 |
| khertan | it s called before the cursor in the buffer set the new position | 20:53 |
| rghosh | ah how about this | 20:53 |
| khertan | but we are near | 20:53 |
| rghosh | mark-set signal belonging to textbuffer | 20:53 |
| rghosh | listen to that, and check, when you get the callback, if the name of the textmark is "insert" | 20:53 |
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| khertan | the problem with ::cursor-position : "his property is available in GTK+ 2.10 and above." | 20:55 |
| khertan | so no os2007 and 2006 | 20:55 |
| rghosh | how about mark-set? | 20:56 |
| penguinbait | on your mark, get set, GO! | 20:56 |
| czr | kaltsi, the message will live on forever: http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/dbus-send-SystemNoteDialog.png (that's going into the material as a screenshot) | 20:57 |
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| khertan | what is mark-set ? | 20:57 |
| rghosh | textview.get_buffer() gets a textbuffer | 20:58 |
| rghosh | the textbuffer has a 'mark-set' signal | 20:58 |
| rghosh | this will be emitted when any mark is set | 20:58 |
| rghosh | there is one mark in particular that you are interested in | 20:58 |
| rghosh | the mark whose get_name() method returns "insert" | 20:58 |
| rghosh | so you attach a callback to the 'mark-set' signal | 20:59 |
| kaltsi | czr haha :) you will have to put up a NAO-faq | 20:59 |
| rghosh | then when you get the callback, check if the textmark's 'get_name()' method returns 'insert' | 20:59 |
| rghosh | if so, you have been notified of a change in cursor position (i think) | 20:59 |
| czr | kaltsi, maybe a legend will be born. who knows :-) | 20:59 |
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| kaltsi | United Kingdom - NAO OK's BBC's investment in Freeview | 21:00 |
| kaltsi | The National Audit Office (NAO) review of the BBC's investment in Freeview | 21:00 |
| kaltsi | ... | 21:00 |
| czr | sp3000, see what is possible now that run-standalone.sh is fixed? (look at the url I gave to kaltsi). <3. | 21:00 |
| czr | kaltsi, :-) | 21:00 |
| czr | or just brain in chinese. | 21:00 |
| * czr prefers brain to audit. | 21:00 | |
| kaltsi | mmm.. braaiinss | 21:01 |
| czr | the GNU head icons all over the place are slightly irritating though | 21:01 |
| czr | but. they're not my fault :-) | 21:01 |
| czr | btw, does anyone know where that background photo was taken from? it looks like some street-level thingy. | 21:02 |
| khertan | rghosh: hum insert isn't what i want it s when clicked :) | 21:02 |
| rghosh | yeah but insert is the name of the mark you're interested in | 21:02 |
| khertan | and the interested mark is : cursor-position ... but not available before 2.10 | 21:02 |
| rghosh | i'm not talking about the insert event | 21:02 |
| rghosh | i'm talking about the insert mark | 21:02 |
| khertan | oh ... | 21:02 |
| rghosh | that's why i asked you whether or not the mark-set signal exists in os2006/2007 | 21:03 |
| rghosh | i don't know if it does so i was asking you | 21:03 |
| rghosh | but it is a separate entity from cursor-position | 21:03 |
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| rghosh | you've told me that textview.get_buffer() works | 21:04 |
| khertan | hum ... mark-set and insert seem to be available in all os ... | 21:04 |
| rghosh | ah good | 21:04 |
| khertan | i ll try that ... | 21:04 |
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| khertan | hum ... rghosh ... it s very near ! | 21:09 |
| * czr can feel it too | 21:09 | |
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| khertan | it s work ... but i get three callback :) | 21:09 |
| millenomi | hi everyone | 21:09 |
| khertan | lol czr | 21:09 |
| millenomi | can somebody help me for a moment, please? | 21:09 |
| khertan | maybe ... | 21:09 |
| penguinbait | not sure | 21:10 |
| millenomi | :) | 21:10 |
| czr | milhouse, just ask and see what happens. | 21:10 |
| millenomi | 'k | 21:10 |
| czr | uh sorry, millenomi | 21:10 |
| millenomi | anyway | 21:10 |
| khertan | Time's up milhouse ... game over | 21:10 |
| khertan | an other question ? | 21:10 |
| millenomi | I'm installing maemo sdk 4 on a clean ubuntu 7.10 | 21:10 |
| khertan | :) | 21:10 |
| czr | khertan, depends on the availability of additional credits | 21:10 |
| rghosh | heh | 21:10 |
| millenomi | I installed scratchbox using the script, added user and logged out | 21:10 |
| rghosh | khertan: glad it worked, weird how there's 3 callbacks | 21:11 |
| khertan | hum .... yes of course ... | 21:11 |
| millenomi | but /scratchbox/login is -rw-r--r-- | 21:11 |
| millenomi | bash /scratchbox/login works, but not straight /scratchbox/login | 21:11 |
| millenomi | this makes the sdk script fail | 21:11 |
| czr | millenomi, that sounds strange | 21:11 |
| millenomi | strange, yup | 21:11 |
| czr | millenomi, did you install with sudo? | 21:11 |
| millenomi | scratchbox? | 21:12 |
| millenomi | yes | 21:12 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O | 21:12 |
| millenomi | nice bot | 21:12 |
| czr | millenomi, yeah, the automatic install script thingy | 21:12 |
| penguinbait | I had that problem before when moving scratchbox between systems, but not on free install to one system | 21:12 |
| czr | millenomi, try sudo chmod +x /scratchbox/login, maybe the problem will go away.. | 21:12 |
| czr | millenomi, you should file a bug though. | 21:12 |
| penguinbait | if the bash works, then chmod +x login, and it should work without bash | 21:12 |
| millenomi | i'm trying but it doesn't work | 21:12 |
| millenomi | it seems like /scratchbox is its own filesyste | 21:12 |
| penguinbait | do the persms change? | 21:12 |
| millenomi | m | 21:12 |
| millenomi | and sudo chmod 0755 /scratchbox/login is silently ignored | 21:13 |
| khertan | i understand why 3 callback ... when i click on my TextView... there is one cb ... then the virtual keyboard open, an other on ... then i close it ... the third | 21:13 |
| millenomi | or sudo cp login login.just.trying | 21:13 |
| penguinbait | stop scraqtchbox and try again | 21:13 |
| czr | milhouse, yeah. /etc/init.d/scratchbox stop | 21:13 |
| rghosh | khertan: ah, nice | 21:13 |
| czr | then do the chmod, check perms, and report | 21:13 |
| khertan | rghosh: just need to test the iter to see if there is no change ... | 21:14 |
| khertan | thanks a lot for your help rghosh | 21:14 |
| pupnik | 21:14 | |
| pupnik | Laptops lookout - New Nokia N810 Internet Tablet hits store shelves | 21:14 |
| pupnik | November 19, 2007 | 21:14 |
| millenomi | doesn't stick | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | do /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop | 21:14 |
| pupnik | http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1169511 | 21:14 |
| rghosh | khertan: no problem :) | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | why cant I but one with my coupon today :( | 21:14 |
| khertan | i don't know yet how i ll make completion for pygtkeditor ... it s need to be fast ... but it's help me ! | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | s/but/buy | 21:15 |
| millenomi | tried both, doesn't work :'( | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | who are you on the system? | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | root or what? | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | su - | 21:15 |
| khertan | pupnik: noone can yet | 21:15 |
| millenomi | regular user doing sudo | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | sudo su - | 21:15 |
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| penguinbait | then try again | 21:15 |
| czr | penguinbait, still seems strange | 21:16 |
| penguinbait | is sudo working? | 21:16 |
| Kompo | Anyone interested in trying out Google Gears for MicroB? (== compiling and installing) | 21:16 |
| czr | installing on 7.10 here worked without a hitch | 21:16 |
| pupnik | khertan: you can in the USA | 21:16 |
| penguinbait | I am running 7.10 also | 21:16 |
| millenomi | I'll rollback vmware and try again | 21:16 |
| millenomi | from the beginning | 21:16 |
| millenomi | let you know if it happens again >_< | 21:17 |
| millenomi | thanks | 21:17 |
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| khertan | pupnik > what i mean is that if i understand noone can use his dev discount code | 21:17 |
| czr | millenomi, no prob. tell us how it goes | 21:17 |
| czr | millenomi, also, what kind of filesystem layout are you using btw? | 21:17 |
| elb | khertan: yeah, we have to wait :-) | 21:17 |
| czr | millenomi, and which arch? | 21:17 |
| khertan | elb: 27th november if i ve understand | 21:18 |
| khertan | (for us ...) | 21:18 |
| czr | khertan, where did you get that date from? | 21:18 |
| millenomi | x86 on a regular whole-disk-with-swap setup | 21:18 |
| millenomi | on vmware | 21:18 |
| khertan | in france ... i think it s ll be later | 21:18 |
| millenomi | w/ tools installed | 21:18 |
| czr | millenomi, not 64-bit? | 21:18 |
| millenomi | 32 | 21:18 |
| penguinbait | its the backorder date listed on letstalk.cocm | 21:18 |
| czr | millenomi, ok. should be fine then. have the same setup here | 21:18 |
| czr | penguinbait, ah | 21:18 |
| elb | khertan: I don't know about that date, I know that's when letstalk.com expects shipping | 21:18 |
| pupnik | khertan: ah ok | 21:19 |
| lophyte | agh... still doesn't work | 21:19 |
| elb | khertan: but letstalk.com does not seem to accept the discount code, so ... | 21:19 |
| khertan | czr: i don't remember when i know about this date | 21:19 |
| lophyte | trying to go from USB networking back to USB mass storave | 21:19 |
| penguinbait | yet! | 21:19 |
| lophyte | storage, rather | 21:19 |
| lophyte | doesn't work | 21:19 |
| czr | khertan, that's ok. I'm not in the dev program anyway, just wondering :-) | 21:19 |
| penguinbait | I am ready to go buy one at Compusa, its only an hour away :) | 21:20 |
| * czr pets his metallic gray N810 | 21:20 | |
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| * penguinbait slaps czr around a bit with a large trout | 21:24 | |
| * czr pets his metallic gray N810 | 21:24 | |
| penguinbait | heh | 21:24 |
| bill20r3 | die. | 21:24 |
| elb | boo mIRC users | 21:24 |
| bill20r3 | czr, does it have usb host mode? | 21:25 |
| czr | bill20r3, not by default. | 21:25 |
| bill20r3 | so.. no. | 21:25 |
| czr | or do you mean the electricity feeding thingy? | 21:25 |
| penguinbait | sorry I am reflashing at the moment, should I leave and come back under kvirc :) | 21:25 |
| czr | I honestly don't know. I don't use the device much. | 21:25 |
| * |R hopes he can order from the states instead of france :) | 21:25 | |
| bill20r3 | I mean the driver support. | 21:25 |
| * czr shrugs at bill20r3 | 21:25 | |
| * penguinbait slaps elb around a bit with a large trout | 21:25 | |
| bill20r3 | I suppose I'll find out after I update. | 21:25 |
| czr | bill20r3, how could I check for it easily? | 21:26 |
| bill20r3 | I dont know how, easily. | 21:26 |
| bill20r3 | something in /proc probably | 21:26 |
| czr | well, what's the module called? | 21:26 |
| elb | previous discussion in here has suggested that the 810 can be a USB OTG host, but not a generic USB host | 21:27 |
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| elb | (which means connection to only one, USB OTG-compatible, device at a time) | 21:27 |
| bill20r3 | so I cant plug in a gamepad. :-( | 21:27 |
| elb | if it's OTG-compatible, you can | 21:28 |
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| timelyx | it means you can't use a hub w/ your usb otg gamepad | 21:28 |
| bill20r3 | heh. ok. | 21:29 |
| pupnik | huge new claws mail release yesterday.. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11969 | 21:29 |
| timelyx | no multiplayer using 4 usbotg gamepads w/ the hub :) | 21:29 |
| timelyx | buy 4 n810s instead :) | 21:29 |
| suihkulokki | can one connect a ipod classic and use it as HD for it? | 21:29 |
| czr | btw, is there a simple lib abstraction to support using BT with multiple N800/N810 devices to support gameplay? | 21:30 |
| penguinbait | boot your n800 from your ipod | 21:30 |
| timelyx | does bluez count? | 21:30 |
| Tak | czr: that would be awesome | 21:30 |
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| timelyx | afaiu bluez hides everything | 21:30 |
| czr | timeless, anything higher-level? | 21:30 |
| czr | well, imho it doesn't really. | 21:30 |
| timelyx | not that i know of :) | 21:30 |
| mariorz_ | is there a theme archive somewhere? | 21:31 |
| czr | right. so nothing's changed since 770 launched then. was thinking of making one back then :-) | 21:31 |
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| czr | Tak, it would indeed | 21:31 |
| czr | Tak, I'm thinking of something zero-effort setup thingy so that one could easily play with other tablets when in close proximity | 21:31 |
| pupnik | Tak: any feelings about me copying xmaeme skeleton for a dosbox frontend? Gut feeling is it should have its own launcher. | 21:31 |
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| pupnik | I've got a python launcher but it's slow as molasses and requires 8MB python libs | 21:32 |
| timelyx | hrm, what's the name of apple's discovery protocol? | 21:32 |
| czr | zeroconf | 21:33 |
| czr | but I think that's based on IP | 21:33 |
| timelyx | bonjour | 21:33 |
| Dasajev | bonjour | 21:33 |
| _Monkey | salut, timelyx | 21:33 |
| Tak | pupnik: actually, if you just want to add a notebook tab for dosbox, we can just include that in xmaeme proper | 21:33 |
| czr | ah, sry | 21:33 |
| Tak | if you'd rather do that | 21:33 |
| pupnik | Tak: doing that right now | 21:33 |
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| Tak | czr: yeah, I was wanting something like that when the bomberman port first came out | 21:34 |
| czr | Tak, yeah, I wanted one for coding camps | 21:34 |
| pupnik | it's awesome starting dos games with shortcuts instead of mucking with the DOS command line | 21:35 |
| czr | we used to drag people doing maemo dev/related to it to up north of finland and lock them up in order to code some silly games. it was a lot of fun actually :-) | 21:35 |
| alterego | Well, I think that's enough work for one day. | 21:35 |
| czr | shame none of the games actually ever were released. some of them were pretty interesting. | 21:35 |
| * alterego plays with ruby-maemo a bit. | 21:35 | |
| elb | what, like, "we're goign to lock you in a room in the frozen wasteland until you have to write something to entertain yourself" ? | 21:36 |
| czr | elb, neh, all were graphical | 21:36 |
| czr | about half were real-time too | 21:36 |
| czr | and some utilized the touch screen in all kinds of novel ways | 21:36 |
| czr | I was positively suprised by the creativity of that lot | 21:37 |
| tsavola | czr: it's fixed in sb2 already :) | 21:37 |
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| czr | tsavola, cool. | 21:37 |
| czr | elb, they had 24 hours to do it. from scratch to finish (deb package) | 21:37 |
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| czr | 24 hours straight that is. sleeping was optional. | 21:37 |
| czr | not many people used that option really. | 21:37 |
| czr | (except me because I'm a lazy bastard) | 21:38 |
| alterego | To write a game? | 21:38 |
| czr | alterego, to design and implement, test and package. yes | 21:38 |
| czr | in C/GDK ;-) | 21:38 |
| Tak | pupnik: I just checked my xmaeme tree into garage svn; you should have commit access | 21:38 |
| * alterego vomits | 21:38 | |
| Tak | gDk?! | 21:38 |
| alterego | I'm not sure I could do that :) | 21:38 |
| czr | GTK+ too | 21:38 |
| czr | but we used GDK since I had double-buffering example code for that | 21:38 |
| czr | and the point of the whole thing wasn't writing games per se. | 21:39 |
| elb | Gdk is where you'd almost certainly want to be for game development | 21:39 |
| pupnik | Tak oops, i grabbed a tarball - is 0.10 current? | 21:39 |
| elb | since it's generally more about painting than widgets | 21:39 |
| czr | elb, sure. | 21:39 |
| alterego | Or GtkGLExt :) | 21:39 |
| alterego | GLGtkExt | 21:39 |
| czr | elb, that's the reason why we used it | 21:39 |
| alterego | ExtGLGtk .. | 21:39 |
| alterego | Whatever. | 21:39 |
| pupnik | nevermind i'll grab cvs/svn | 21:40 |
| alterego | Anyone see MDK's 3D video playback example? | 21:40 |
| alterego | That was awesome. | 21:40 |
| pupnik | watchu talkinbout willus? | 21:40 |
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| Tak | 0.11 is current, but there's no UI change from 0.10; svn is super-current :-) | 21:42 |
| alterego | Tonight I'm going to add GtkMozEmbed and libnotify support. | 21:42 |
| czr | hmm. interesting. dbus_bus_get will abort the whole program if it fails to connect. instead of returning an error. | 21:42 |
| czr | wtf is up with that. | 21:42 |
| alterego | czr, segfault? :D | 21:42 |
| czr | alterego, http://pastebin.com/m1b957fba | 21:43 |
| czr | that's what happens on dbus_bus_get. it never returns. | 21:43 |
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| czr | wtf is the point of return error values and all kinds of dbus error objects if the function will abort the program anyway | 21:44 |
| * czr shakes his fist | 21:44 | |
| alterego | Is that the program or D-BUS giving up? | 21:44 |
| elb | d-bus has some stupid default abort behavior | 21:45 |
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| czr | the program does dbus_bus_get() function call. the function call lives in libdbus. the function will abort the program (i.e., never returns) | 21:45 |
| elb | you can actually fix that | 21:45 |
| * elb looks to see how | 21:45 | |
| czr | elb, it used to work in 0.6 or whatnot. | 21:45 |
| czr | it used to return a proper error condition back then | 21:45 |
| elb | there's a "don't abort" option | 21:45 |
| czr | hmm. where? | 21:45 |
| czr | envvar or something else? | 21:45 |
| elb | I'm looking | 21:45 |
| elb | we had this problem with Pidgin, and somehow fixed it | 21:46 |
| czr | ah. cool. | 21:46 |
| elb | I don't see it, I've asked if anyone remembers | 21:48 |
| elb | I think you have to override some error or logging function | 21:48 |
| czr | elb, cool. I'll leave a marker in the material so I'll remember to fix the text if there's a solution to that | 21:48 |
| czr | elb, the text now reads something like: We forgot to prepend the command with run-standalone.sh and this caused the library to return an error when connecting. At least we know that our error handling works. ... | 21:49 |
| czr | which is kind of ironic when the command line listing just before that shows the whole program dumping core ;-) | 21:49 |
| timelyx | czr: ok, i'm bored | 21:52 |
| czr | timelyx, you are? | 21:52 |
| timelyx | got a url for the stuff you wanted reviewed? | 21:52 |
| czr | sure. privmsg ok? | 21:52 |
| timelyx | sure | 21:53 |
| timelyx | i presume you've spellchecked? | 21:53 |
| czr | yup | 21:53 |
| czr | but I'm not a native speaker. so there's bound to be all kinds of brain-farts here and there. | 21:53 |
| alterego | American or English? :P | 21:53 |
| czr | mostly american | 21:54 |
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| Atarii | is there a bugfix to the fact that going back into normal mode (from offline) enables bluetooth, even if it wasnt on before? | 21:54 |
| Atarii | in 2007he | 21:54 |
| timelyx | ah yeah, i've seen those urls before | 21:54 |
| czr | heh | 21:54 |
| czr | I wonder why. | 21:54 |
| * timelyx remembers the gook and the status | 21:54 | |
| alterego | Is there a comprehensive list of the API changes in maemo? | 21:55 |
| czr | it's a lot of crap to wade through btw. so if you run out of steam, I won't blame you :-) | 21:55 |
| alterego | Between releases .. | 21:55 |
| czr | alterego, not really. | 21:55 |
| alterego | Oh well. | 21:55 |
| czr | there's something sprinkled here and there. | 21:55 |
| czr | alterego, see the 4.0 beta sdk release announcement from maemo.org | 21:55 |
| czr | there were some pointers to pages in that | 21:56 |
| timelyx | Makefiles?! | 21:56 |
| alterego | Doesn't matter. I'll just do what I've always done. Back port and see what breaks ;) | 21:56 |
| czr | timelyx, ? | 21:56 |
| _Monkey | timelyx, is that even possible with maemo? | 21:56 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget timelyx, | 21:56 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot timelyx, | 21:56 |
| timelyx | _Monkey timelyx, is <reply> | 21:56 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 21:56 |
| guardian | evening | 21:57 |
| czr | although I don't fail to see the irony in _monkey's question :-) | 21:57 |
| * timelyx neither | 21:57 | |
| _Monkey | neither is, like, n800 if you shut it down | 21:57 |
| czr | heh | 21:57 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget neither | 21:57 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot neither | 21:57 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:57 |
| timelyx | _Monkey neither is <reply> | 21:57 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 21:57 |
| * timelyx doesn't like | 21:57 | |
| czr | I'm just too tired. anything that monkey comes up with will be funny. | 21:58 |
| timelyx | hrm, this tv program is using w3.1 software | 21:58 |
| czr | timelyx, so what was with the makefile?! thing? | 21:58 |
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| millenomi | I have no idea what went wrong the first time, but after a rollback and a reinstallation, it works fine | 22:04 |
| millenomi | installing the sdk now :) | 22:04 |
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| mariorz_ | how can i cahnge the background image | 22:10 |
| czr | mariorz_, use the desktop menu thingy ("Home") | 22:11 |
| czr | it should allow you to switch the background picture | 22:12 |
| mariorz_ | oh yeah | 22:12 |
| mariorz_ | thanks | 22:12 |
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| lophyte | g_file_storage is stuck in "Unloading" state.. is there something that needs to be turned off or changed to unload it fully? | 22:17 |
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| alterego | Urgh .. I can download a package in scratchbox. The request just hangs >:( | 22:22 |
| alterego | ~can't | 22:22 |
| infobot | Yes I can! | 22:22 |
| lophyte | ... | 22:24 |
| * lophyte slaps infobot | 22:24 | |
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| pupnik | nsswitch? | 22:31 |
| _Monkey | somebody said nsswitch was http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get | 22:31 |
| lophyte | ugh | 22:37 |
| lophyte | I'm gonna reset my n800 and it'll go into continuous reboots again | 22:37 |
| K`zan | Bummer, I reflashed 2007 and it did that 2 or three times before settling down - seems to be OK now. | 22:39 |
| lophyte | I'm gonna stay away from g_file_storage from now on :) | 22:39 |
| K`zan | Anyone know how to get/ install that library for the Jooleem game? | 22:39 |
| K`zan | 2008 was a bit problematical here, so far 2007 seems to be doing fine, but I haven't ridden it as hard as I did 2008... | 22:40 |
| pupnik | jooleem? | 22:40 |
| K`zan | Maybe didn't spell it right, lemme check/ | 22:40 |
| pupnik | ah there it is nm | 22:41 |
| lophyte | whew... | 22:41 |
| lophyte | it worked this time | 22:41 |
| K`zan | Maemo is not a good site to go to during the day here, SLOW, working... | 22:41 |
| lophyte | no reboot cycles | 22:41 |
| K`zan | loading.... | 22:42 |
| _Monkey | i heard loading was *very* expensive | 22:42 |
| pupnik | it's monkey's auto-learn feature that is most annoying to me | 22:42 |
| K`zan | Only if one does't have a data plan for the cell access :-). | 22:43 |
| K`zan | Finally: Jooleem (2007 games) | 22:43 |
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| K`zan | Requires installation of libsdlttf - got red pill going but no luck with the library. | 22:44 |
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| Tak | if the deb depends on it, it should autoinstall | 22:45 |
| lophyte | ah, that's fun | 22:45 |
| lophyte | I got it to remove | 22:45 |
| K`zan | Ah, ok so I need to run apt-get on the downloaded file? | 22:45 |
| lophyte | now it won't insert | 22:45 |
| pupnik | libsdl-ttf2.0-0 - ttf library for Simple DirectMedia Layer with FreeType 2 support | 22:46 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 22:46 |
| _Monkey | i heard repositories was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 22:46 |
| K`zan | Yep, but where and how? - checking... | 22:46 |
| K`zan | If it is there, it isn't obvious. Guess I load all 35 repositories and hope for the best? | 22:47 |
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| K`zan | Heh, never mind, I'll keep the palm for that one game, not sure that is the same kind anyway. | 22:48 |
| pupnik | K`zan: n800? | 22:48 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) | 22:48 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget N800 | 22:48 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot n800 | 22:48 |
| K`zan | pupnik: Yes | 22:48 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: N800 is <reply> | 22:48 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 22:48 |
| K`zan | _Monkey: I'll let you know once I figure out what I need to do to get the SIP stuff to work. Probably going to require firewall work. | 22:49 |
| _Monkey | i haven't a clue, k`zan | 22:49 |
| pupnik | i have a libsdlttf you can use, but you must download it then install with dpkg -i | 22:49 |
| K`zan | pupnik: Thanks, but it isn't worth putting you to work over a silly game :-). Expecially since I will probably reflash 2008 when it is released for the n800. | 22:50 |
| pupnik | ok | 22:50 |
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| K`zan | Appreciate your efforts though :-). | 22:50 |
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| K`zan | Discovery is going to have March of The Pinguins playing soon... | 22:52 |
| Tieku | hello is anyone using pidgen on their device? | 22:52 |
| Tieku | pidgin* | 22:53 |
| K`zan | Tieku: Had it going briefly under 2008 - used it only for IRC though - seemed to work fine for that. | 22:53 |
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| K`zan | Still thing of it as gaim :) | 22:54 |
| K`zan | think | 22:54 |
| alterego | 710B/s .. That's not good. | 22:55 |
| K`zan | Wonder if my grocery store has a WAP there? Then I can make my grocery list a web page :). | 22:55 |
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| Tieku | thanks. wanting to know if it supports the camera at all? | 22:56 |
| K`zan | Tieku: Sorry, don't know :-(. | 22:56 |
| Tieku | okay :) | 22:56 |
| K`zan | Cam on the n800 is pretty abysmal so I don't use it :-(. | 22:57 |
| lophyte | ugh... | 22:58 |
| lophyte | making a simple way to switch between usbnet and mmc is proving difficult | 22:59 |
| K`zan | Thanks for reminding me :) | 22:59 |
| K`zan | I want to pick up a USB keyboard from the thrift store and hack power and a min-usb onto it and see if it will work. | 22:59 |
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| millenomi | okay | 23:00 |
| millenomi | done | 23:00 |
| millenomi | sdk works | 23:00 |
| millenomi | xephyr starts fine | 23:00 |
| millenomi | yay for me | 23:00 |
| K`zan | :-)! | 23:01 |
| millenomi | snapshotting vmware, just in case :) | 23:01 |
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| K`zan | Working on that for 2008 dev too, good to see someone else using vmware for that :-)! | 23:01 |
| vishnu_ | I compiled wireless-tools for OS-2008/Maemo-4.0 how do I submit it to be added in the chinook repo? | 23:02 |
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| penguinbait | 1800chinook | 23:03 |
| vishnu_ | hehe xD | 23:03 |
| pupnik | Btw the apple macintosh emulator could run quite zippy if someone wants to work on it | 23:03 |
| pupnik | just needs the cyclone core | 23:03 |
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| penguinbait | why would someone want that ? | 23:04 |
| pupnik | old mac heads wanting to run their software | 23:04 |
| millenomi | quite a niche :o | 23:04 |
| pupnik | i note in passing that those apps didn't use right-mouse-click | 23:04 |
| pupnik | true millenomi | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | More s/w the merrier | 23:06 |
| penguinbait | III been playing potato guy in KDE :) | 23:06 |
| penguinbait | Its a mr potato head app | 23:07 |
| pupnik | penguinbait: i want to get a multiboot with your kde on another partition someday | 23:07 |
| penguinbait | does penguins also :) | 23:07 |
| penguinbait | The 2008 version is almost ready | 23:07 |
| pupnik | if i have a multi-partition booter, what size should kde system partition be? | 23:07 |
| penguinbait | With flash its about 1.5GB right now | 23:08 |
| penguinbait | min 2GB reccomended | 23:08 |
| * pupnik ~wibbles~ | 23:08 | |
| penguinbait | But its full KDE with KDEPIM and Koffice | 23:08 |
| pupnik | wow nice | 23:09 |
| penguinbait | Kword, Kspread, Kmail | 23:09 |
| penguinbait | Korganizer | 23:09 |
| penguinbait | I just like saying that | 23:09 |
| penguinbait | Korganizer | 23:09 |
| penguinbait | heh | 23:09 |
| pupnik | very cool project imo. | 23:09 |
| pupnik | i keep bumping into qt apps and getting the frustration | 23:10 |
| penguinbait | I printed some business cards from my n800 earlier, oh yeah, and it inludes cups | 23:10 |
| penguinbait | just for fun, not for use, printed business cards are cheesy! | 23:10 |
| cosmo | does it work well without rmb and with virtual kb? | 23:11 |
| penguinbait | perforated edges and all | 23:11 |
| penguinbait | It comes with kvkbd | 23:11 |
| cosmo | does it open automatically like maemo one does? | 23:11 |
| cosmo | i've used xbox linux with xvkbd and it was a pain.. | 23:11 |
| penguinbait | But I anticipate n810 keybord being very handy | 23:12 |
| penguinbait | no, its a icon on task bar, and a floating applet you can click | 23:12 |
| cosmo | i guess i'll have to try.. | 23:13 |
| pupnik | phone screens too small. laptops too big. nokia linux tablet just right | 23:13 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:13 |
| penguinbait | I really would like tohave seen 1024x600 | 23:13 |
| penguinbait | but perhaps in the 900? | 23:13 |
| cosmo | why? the resolution is already enough imho | 23:14 |
| * alterego does a code audit. | 23:14 | |
| penguinbait | double the ram triple the processor, and price :( | 23:14 |
| cosmo | more than pc's in 90's | 23:14 |
| penguinbait | but new software is not coded for pc's in the 90's | 23:14 |
| * Jaffa 'd like a physically larger screen but doesn't need more pixels. Oh, and I don't want the device to be (much) bigger. | 23:14 | |
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| cosmo | palm had very good usability on 160*160*1. you just need to design ui's well.. | 23:15 |
| cosmo | maemo currently wastes very much screen estate | 23:15 |
| pupnik | right | 23:16 |
| bill20r3 | indeed. | 23:16 |
| pupnik | but... you've got a lot to play with | 23:16 |
| penguinbait | matchbox is the problem, we need a new window managerrrrrrrrr | 23:16 |
| pupnik | i think the calendar apps do ok | 23:16 |
| alterego | There's nothing wrong with matchbox. | 23:16 |
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| penguinbait | 800x480 is is a waste with matccchbox | 23:16 |
| pupnik | heya doc|work | 23:16 |
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| alterego | Whatever KDE boy .. | 23:17 |
| doc|work | hey, I'm looking at memory cards for the n800, what's a good brand/size | 23:17 |
| suihkulokki | do I have to repeat my previous rant about DPI or will you guys do some thinking on your own :P | 23:17 |
| doc|work | hey pupnik :) | 23:17 |
| penguinbait | 35year oldddddddd boy | 23:17 |
| doc|work | suihkulokki: rant please | 23:17 |
| tko | suihkulokki: yes | 23:17 |
| * Jaffa thinks a fullscreen interface is much better on the physcial size of screen we've got: don't forget the pixel densities are wildly different between a 160x160 Palm screen, or a 90s VGA screen, or what suihkulokki said :-) | 23:17 | |
| alterego | Fine .. 35 year old KDE boy. | 23:17 |
| pupnik | doc|work: i have some links - just a sec | 23:17 |
| doc|work | pupnik: thanks, just not sure how big apps are and the like | 23:18 |
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| mariorz_ | has anyone made a gnome theme? with the foot icon and all? | 23:18 |
| cosmo | someone should port amigaos, it would fit well ;) | 23:19 |
| Jaffa | Now, the permanent left side nav is potentially wasteful. UME's lack of that, instead having a start-menu esque "Home" button at the top left is better | 23:19 |
| suihkulokki | doc|work: unless you enjoy hunt the "pixel to click" game (ala old lucasart adventures), you really need to use quite a few pixels with the n800 dpi | 23:19 |
| doc|work | suihkulokki: sorry, I was being a smartarse, have no idea what you're referring to :) | 23:20 |
| doc|work | was more a commentary on things in general | 23:20 |
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| tko | IIRC tigert posted a photo where you can easily see how the tip of the 770 stylus completely covers a 16x16 pixel icon | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | cosmo: RISC OS fits quite nicely too: http://www.bleb.org/photos/show.html?id=yVm3GBA | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | tko: cool, not seen that. | 23:21 |
| * Jaffa goes to watch Heroes | 23:22 | |
| pupnik | http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/speed-by-cards-sdc.html#cdet-ki4 doc|work speed comparisons | 23:22 |
| alterego | RISC OS was awesome .. | 23:22 |
| doc|work | pupnik: thanks, can the n800 make use of most of those or is it just high-end cameras? also, what's a reasonable size? | 23:22 |
| pupnik | Well 1) by default, apps don't go onto the SD cards - just media and your data | 23:23 |
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| pupnik | (you can reconfigure the device to boot from partitions on the SD card to give more space) | 23:23 |
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| doc|work | pupnik: ah, ok, so, is there a chance of running out of app space? | 23:24 |
| pupnik | using just normal productivity apps, there is plenty of space on the internal flash. | 23:24 |
| doc|work | ok | 23:24 |
| doc|work | thanks | 23:24 |
| lophyte | I wanna try KDE one of these days :P | 23:25 |
| pupnik | you can use normal SD and SDHC cards. There were some issues with some SDHC cards, but i think that has been cleared up | 23:25 |
| pupnik | If you want to save money, 2GB SD cards run under 20 bucks now | 23:26 |
| pupnik | if you get a SDHC card, some people recommend getting one bundled with a card reader from the mfgr (for the PC) due to reliability/compatibility issues | 23:27 |
| amr | anyone here tried the new creative zens? | 23:27 |
| amr | the credit card size ones | 23:28 |
| doc|work | yeah, I have one 1gb sandisk sd card for a camera and a card reader, might just get another one of those but in 2gb size, should be enough I think | 23:28 |
| KDE-RULES-N800 | I need to buy 8GB microsd, what are those running? | 23:29 |
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| doc|work | probably necessary for kde | 23:31 |
| * doc|work ducks | 23:31 | |
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| doc|work | I'm kindof tempted to see if I can get e17 working on it, just for shits and giggles | 23:32 |
| penguinbait | I am going to get afterstep delivered also, IIIIIII used it before, but I could not make a keyboard work on it, so if the n810 solves that, there will be Afterstep for N810 also | 23:33 |
| doc|work | funky | 23:33 |
| penguinbait | el pollo loco | 23:34 |
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| lophyte | hmm | 23:35 |
| lophyte | 8GB SDHC 79.99 | 23:35 |
| penguinbait | ohh not bad, wwwhat brand and where? | 23:35 |
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| lophyte | not sure I'd trust it.. | 23:36 |
| lophyte | "Adata" | 23:36 |
| lophyte | http://www.factorydirect.ca/catalog/product_spec.php?pcode=SE8001 | 23:36 |
| lophyte | 4GB = $39.99 | 23:36 |
| penguinbait | 4GB kingston 44 at newegg, does kingston make an 8? | 23:38 |
| penguinbait | is microsd and microsdhc different? | 23:38 |
| lophyte | sdhc is just >2GB | 23:39 |
| penguinbait | kingston has 4GB sdhc for 44$ at newegg | 23:39 |
| lophyte | not bad | 23:39 |
| penguinbait | microsdhc that is | 23:39 |
| pupnik | micro and miniSD cards for N810 thread here - please post benchmark results http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=97947 | 23:40 |
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| penguinbait | Kingston has a 4GB microsd, that has aaa minisd adapter, that has a full SD adapter. Thats the first micro to mini converter I have seen | 23:43 |
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| doc|work | will the n800 make use of the performance available in a sandisk ultra II? | 23:43 |
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| alterego | Would I submit API change suggestions to bugs? | 23:45 |
| pupnik | there is a benchmark thread on itt forums doc|work - as i recall it was a better than average card | 23:45 |
| doc|work | I'd hope so /L( | 23:46 |
| doc|work | :) | 23:46 |
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| pupnik | *on the N800 | 23:46 |
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| czr | alterego, feature enhancement methinks | 23:47 |
| Tieku | what are peoples experienes with the mozilla browser staying logged in between sessions? | 23:47 |
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| alterego | czr, It's not really an API change. It's more adhering to Gtk standard practises. It shouldn't actually break any code. | 23:48 |
| czr | GTK+! | 23:48 |
| * alterego contemplates making a patch. | 23:48 | |
| czr | unless you refer to the 1.2 version of the library ;-) | 23:48 |
| sp3000 | yahoo! | 23:48 |
| alterego | I could do it myself and submit the patch to them ;) | 23:48 |
| czr | hey sp3000. saw the link? | 23:48 |
| tko | alterego: API breaks won't happen too quickly, but please do suggest them | 23:50 |
| alterego | Okay tko :) | 23:50 |
| tko | alterego: what is it anyway? | 23:50 |
| * sp3000 graps logs | 23:50 | |
| tko | everything is perfect already, so... :-P | 23:50 |
| * sp3000 greps even | 23:50 | |
| alterego | tko, noticed that the Hildon libraries never seem to use Gtk enumerations. | 23:50 |
| alterego | Which would make language binding generation easier ;) | 23:51 |
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| tko | alterego: ah, you mean having a get_type() function for enums? | 23:51 |
| alterego | It wouldn't take much to implement the GTypes for each enum. I'l making a list now. | 23:51 |
| alterego | tko, yeah. Exactly. | 23:52 |
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| sp3000 | czr: hmm. no? | 23:52 |
| alterego | It should actually break API but it would add a feature I'd personally like to use :) | 23:52 |
| czr | sp3000, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/dbus-send-SystemNoteDialog.png | 23:52 |
| alterego | s/should/shouldn't/ | 23:52 |
| tko | hope the naming scheme is consistent enough to make it actually possible | 23:52 |
| infobot | alterego meant: It shouldn't actually break API but it would add a feature I'd personally like to use :) | 23:52 |
| czr | sp3000, now that run-standalone.sh works :-) | 23:52 |
| sp3000 | czr: oh, ok, I found that but not so much context ;) | 23:52 |
| czr | sp3000, ah, ok :-) | 23:52 |
| lopz | hi | 23:53 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, lopz | 23:53 |
| alterego | tko, well once I've got my list of enums I'll play with the hildon source and see if I can't make a few patches to add the functionality. | 23:53 |
| edt | I have a problem with media player. It decided not to play streams it used to (eg rocketboom in videocenter). The stream starts media center, which buffers, and then tells me the steam is not supported. | 23:53 |
| edt | ideas? | 23:53 |
| alterego | It's interesting that whilst auditing my own code I'm also going through Hildon again ^_^ | 23:53 |
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| edt | is there a package for mediacenter anywhere? | 23:55 |
| Tieku | can the n800 play quicktime videos? | 23:58 |
| alterego | I believe mplayer can. | 23:59 |
| Tieku | cheers. i'll give it a go | 23:59 |
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