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| czr | hmm. can't I find my bugs more easily than trying to remember the ids? | 00:00 |
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| sage-- | ld: cannot find -licuuc | 00:00 |
| czr | I mean, if I didn't add them to a search/result list originally | 00:00 |
| czr | alterego, wb :-) | 00:00 |
| sage-- | anyone know what this is? what lib I am missing? | 00:00 |
| tko | I actually do wonder how many bugs we do get reported that we've already fixed | 00:00 |
| czr | alterego, thanks for the collab. bug number 2289 | 00:00 |
| alterego | netsplits .. | 00:00 |
| alterego | I hate 'em. | 00:00 |
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| czr | tko, you don't keep stats? | 00:00 |
| czr | you should. | 00:00 |
| tko | if the number gets high enough we could use that as an argument to change things | 00:00 |
| alterego | More? Geez | 00:00 |
| * czr nods | 00:00 | |
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| alterego | Flippin' hell. | 00:01 |
| alterego | czr, no problem | 00:01 |
| tko | czr: I don't, since I'm not looking at the whole bugzilla. but someone else might | 00:01 |
| alterego | czr, you wanted me to test the notification persistance? | 00:01 |
| czr | tko, odds are no one does :-) | 00:01 |
| czr | alterego, if you can be bothered | 00:01 |
| alterego | I'll give it a go. | 00:01 |
| czr | it's not that important, just interesting | 00:01 |
| alterego | Yah | 00:01 |
| tko | timeless does crazy stuff anyway, so he might :) | 00:01 |
| czr | you can blame him for me entering four bugs | 00:02 |
| * czr points fingers and other appendices at timeless | 00:02 | |
| p| | good night 2all ! | 00:02 |
| czr | night p with one half of an anonymous pipe | 00:03 |
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| tko | while being annoying timeless does have good points sometimes :) | 00:03 |
| czr | :-) | 00:03 |
| timelyx | :) | 00:03 |
| czr | btw, I really like the browser now much better | 00:03 |
| timelyx | so what are you asking about? | 00:03 |
| czr | haven't really used it much, but it feels much better | 00:03 |
| czr | bugs mainly. | 00:03 |
| alterego | Don't you fond the VKB and the browser really buggy? | 00:04 |
| czr | or the process surrounding public vs internal thingies | 00:04 |
| alterego | Or just indisicive. | 00:04 |
| czr | alterego, I'm running n810 | 00:04 |
| alterego | :/ | 00:04 |
| czr | haven't really used n800 much except for testing stuff out with 2008 | 00:04 |
| czr | haven't really used 810 much either | 00:04 |
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| alterego | czr, wanna send it to me? | 00:04 |
| czr | it's a difficult question | 00:05 |
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| alterego | Well, not withstanding me not knowing how to make the notification pop back up again .. | 00:06 |
| czr | a part of me does. just to get rid of the whole project as quickly as possible. yet, the other part keeps smacking the first one on the back of the head saying things like "stoopid, dontcha know what you signed" and silly things like that :-) | 00:06 |
| alterego | I just opened a dialog and reset the device. | 00:06 |
| czr | alterego, yup. that's what I'd have done too | 00:06 |
| alterego | Well, I think it might be a bit more complicated :) | 00:06 |
| * alterego looks at the source a bit more. | 00:06 | |
| czr | maybe only the full notifications will be saved | 00:07 |
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| czr | btw, I noticed with google that the full notification thingy is not maemo-specific | 00:07 |
| czr | so there are some other envs where it's also used. | 00:07 |
| alterego | Woo. | 00:07 |
| K`zan | bora is 2007, right? | 00:07 |
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| alterego | This crazy plan might actually work. | 00:07 |
| czr | the note dialog and the infoprinty thing seem to be maemo-specific though | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, K`zan. ;) | 00:07 |
| czr | K`zan, bora is the sdk for 2007 | 00:07 |
| K`zan | Thankee Sir! | 00:07 |
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| czr | or codename for the version of the sdk for 2007 | 00:08 |
| alterego | czr, yeah. the freedesktop define a different status notification api under the same interface. | 00:08 |
| czr | (3.2) | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The netsplit scrolled the first answer. ;) | 00:08 |
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| czr | alterego, but I didn't find anything else that used the same member names as maemo does | 00:08 |
| K`zan | maemo takes forever to load here, if it does :-(. | 00:08 |
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| czr | K`zan, it's from savo. it will take time | 00:09 |
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| czr | maeeeemo. | 00:09 |
| K`zan | savo? | 00:09 |
| alterego | czr, well, that's kind of obvious. Those names were derived from previous maemo/hildon API's | 00:09 |
| czr | internal joke, don't worry :-) | 00:09 |
| czr | alterego, yup | 00:09 |
| czr | alterego, what I don't understand is why they put the names under the fdo interface. | 00:09 |
| czr | since the fdo docs say _nothing_ about the members | 00:09 |
| K`zan | Ok, just leave me out in the cold :). I'm just not happy to be as ignorant as I am :) | 00:09 |
| alterego | yeah. that is interesting. | 00:09 |
| czr | K`zan, it's a location in finland. | 00:10 |
| tko | my guess is that it's convenient for implementation | 00:10 |
| alterego | Maybe freedesktop are adding some Nokia stuff. | 00:10 |
| K`zan | Ah, thanks :-)! | 00:10 |
| czr | K`zan, people tend to slow down the vowels a lot. maemo sounds like a word that someone would say in savo | 00:10 |
| czr | tko, but you're not supposed to put stuff under namespaces that you don't control! | 00:10 |
| alterego | I kind of pronounce it: mymo | 00:10 |
| tko | czr: well, we're kind of flexible with that... | 00:10 |
| czr | tko, obviously :-) | 00:11 |
| alterego | Hahah | 00:11 |
| tko | we already mutilated gtk | 00:11 |
| K`zan | ERROR | 00:11 |
| K`zan | The requested URL could not be retrieved | 00:11 |
| K`zan | While trying to retrieve the URL: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/desktop-environment/ | 00:11 |
| K`zan | Connection refused :-(. | 00:11 |
| alterego | czr, kind of like us devs using com.nokia | 00:11 |
| K`zan | I knew I should have snarfed copiously when the going was good :-). | 00:11 |
| czr | tko, don't worry. my material already provides point by point list of rules that should be used. it's funny that 4.0 manages to break more of them than 3.2 did. | 00:11 |
| alterego | I wouldn't mind using org.maemo but com.nokia is the default ns | 00:11 |
| tko | :) | 00:11 |
| czr | tko, but we call them "bugs in the material" now. | 00:12 |
| czr | which is semi-ironic | 00:12 |
| alterego | czr, the icon specifier set to 5 is for progress bar. | 00:12 |
| alterego | 4 is wait. | 00:12 |
| tko | we tend to get tunnel vision when managements starts doing scheduling | 00:12 |
| alterego | Which means that 5 should be updatable. | 00:12 |
| czr | but who am I to question the infinite wisdom of infinitely wise people | 00:12 |
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| czr | alterego, 5 is illegal | 00:12 |
| alterego | No it isn't. | 00:13 |
| alterego | It's OSSO_GN_PROGRESS | 00:13 |
| czr | no it isn't :-) | 00:13 |
| czr | try it: | 00:13 |
| czr | run-standalone.sh dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Hello world" uint32:5 string:'' | 00:13 |
| alterego | OSSO_GN_WARNING, OSSO_GN_ERROR, OSSO_GN_NOTICE, OSSO_GN_WAIT, OSSO_GN_PROGRESS | 00:13 |
| czr | 4 is OSSO_GN_PROGRESS | 00:13 |
| alterego | Those are the icon values. | 00:13 |
| czr | alterego, yeah. starting from _zero_. | 00:13 |
| alterego | No, 4 is OSSO_GN_WAIT | 00:13 |
| K`zan | I'll try again later. | 00:13 |
| * czr goes looking for a large trout | 00:13 | |
| alterego | Oh, carp | 00:13 |
| alterego | Yeah. You're right ;) | 00:13 |
| czr | or carp. | 00:13 |
| czr | alterego, of course I am :-) | 00:14 |
| alterego | Okay. So 5 blocks right? | 00:14 |
| czr | yes | 00:14 |
| czr | you'll get a nice g_assert message too | 00:14 |
| alterego | Because it's invalid. | 00:14 |
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| czr | well. yes and no | 00:14 |
| tko | czr: don't underestimate the power of the management^Wdark side :) | 00:14 |
| alterego | What was the assertion? | 00:14 |
| czr | it's invalid yes. but in that case the server _should_ return an error immediately | 00:14 |
| czr | alterego, hildon-desktop[16498]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - hildon_desktop_notification_manager_system_note_dialog: assertion `type >= 0 && type < 5' failed | 00:15 |
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| alterego | Odd. | 00:15 |
| alterego | I'll look deeper then. | 00:15 |
| czr | alterego, the request will timeout eventually and then dbus-send will get the error generated at client end | 00:15 |
| czr | tko, I don't | 00:15 |
| czr | tko, I've learned so much during this project. | 00:15 |
| alterego | Anything good? ^_^ | 00:15 |
| czr | not really. | 00:15 |
| alterego | Oh, this really is weird. | 00:16 |
| tko | czr: I can imagine :) | 00:16 |
| czr | other than I'm happy to see that people still have the energy to do this stuff :-) | 00:16 |
| alterego | The error is in code I can't see .. Oh well. | 00:16 |
| tko | MDK had a good point about learning :) | 00:16 |
| * alterego wonders why hildon-desktop-notification-system isn't available. | 00:17 | |
| czr | alterego, yes, I couldn't find it either. time for timeless's mxr? | 00:17 |
| czr | tko, which was? | 00:17 |
| czr | murder-death-kill? :-) | 00:17 |
| alterego | czr, I looked there .. Couldn't find it. | 00:17 |
| czr | hmhm. | 00:17 |
| czr | "hey I know, maybe it's in sardine" | 00:17 |
| * czr hides & runs | 00:17 | |
| alterego | That's actually where I'm looking. | 00:17 |
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| czr | ah, true. | 00:18 |
| sp3000 | the fish are not what they seem | 00:18 |
| * czr runs back | 00:18 | |
| tko | czr: oh, I'd missed that one | 00:18 |
| alterego | MDK is Michael Dominic Kostrzewa | 00:18 |
| alterego | That's an interesting last name. | 00:18 |
| tko | czr: but the point was that there's something to learn here | 00:18 |
| timelyx | czr: what stats of bugzilla interested you? | 00:18 |
| alterego | I just got an email about a "ruby -> python" translator O_O | 00:18 |
| czr | timelyx, not really. tko was wondering whether anyone tracks how many of the bugs reported in the public bugzilla have already been fixed internally. | 00:19 |
| czr | timelyx, tko suggested that you'd be crazy enough to be interested in such things possibly :-) | 00:19 |
| czr | alterego, see! and it wasn't even from me.. no one can read ruby! :-) | 00:19 |
| alterego | O_o | 00:19 |
| alterego | Everyone can read it. | 00:20 |
| alterego | It's easy. | 00:20 |
| czr | bleh. filing bugs diverts time and effort from work. | 00:20 |
| alterego | Your mom could understand :P | 00:20 |
| czr | I doubt that | 00:20 |
| tko | timelyx: you know, how many already-fixed-but-not-publically-released bugs we receive.. if the number gets high enough someone might start thinking | 00:20 |
| fish_ | sp3000: talking about me? ;) | 00:20 |
| sp3000 | fish_: hmm, no :) | 00:20 |
| czr | she still keeps sending emails which have empty subject, empty body and a letter.doc as the single attachment file in it | 00:20 |
| tko | or not. though maybe it's just me thinking lobotomy is prerequisite for management | 00:20 |
| * sp3000 didn't realize there were fish here | 00:20 | |
| fish_ | :D | 00:20 |
| czr | fish get around. | 00:21 |
| fish_ | i should stop irssi highlighting that | 00:21 |
| * sp3000 should go to moznet and slap 'self' | 00:21 | |
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| czr | sp3000, you don't have to go that far :-) | 00:21 |
| czr | too bad timo___ is sleeping. he's a good slappa. | 00:21 |
| sp3000 | czr: but we don't share channels on this one :) | 00:22 |
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| timelyx | i don't really track that | 00:22 |
| czr | sp3000, ah. I see now :-) | 00:22 |
| timelyx | we should probably try to figure out a way to track that | 00:22 |
| czr | you could also track the avg time it takes to someone at N to validate a public bug report | 00:23 |
| czr | and all kinds of other stuff that you should be doing already :-) | 00:23 |
| czr | you = plural you. | 00:23 |
| sp3000 | you plural, you. | 00:24 |
| * tko wonders if int32 would be sufficient for that | 00:24 | |
| czr | int implies intelligence, no? | 00:24 |
| czr | sp3000, nooo. not me. | 00:24 |
| alterego | czr, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-desktop/src/statusbar.xml | 00:24 |
| czr | I have my work cut out as it is :-) | 00:24 |
| alterego | Another if you're interested. | 00:24 |
| tko | I was thinking 32 bit integer | 00:24 |
| alterego | No idea what it does though :) | 00:24 |
| czr | hmm. | 00:25 |
| czr | that's the statusbar component that displays the small icons methinks | 00:25 |
| timelyx | internally i have an xref of stage | 00:25 |
| czr | only provides one method, no args, no return value | 00:25 |
| czr | the signal is weird though | 00:26 |
| timelyx | i need to figure out how to correctly sync that out w/o messing up | 00:26 |
| timelyx | anyway, i need to sleep | 00:26 |
| czr | night timelyx | 00:26 |
| czr | bleh. I should really finish updating chapter 03 tonight | 00:26 |
| alterego | czr, yeah. Just don't understand what the method is for. | 00:27 |
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| czr | to refresh the statusbar in case new dynamic libraries are available for the statusbar applets? | 00:31 |
| czr | just my guess | 00:31 |
| czr | I'm wondering more about the signal really. | 00:31 |
| alterego | Yeah .. I probably would have guessed the same thing. | 00:32 |
| czr | too bad they're not documented in the xml. a nice <!-- this method does and is useful for foo. see http://maemo.org/blah.html --> would be enough | 00:32 |
| alterego | Right, lets see if my crazy hack will allow me to compile ruby1.9 for maemo. | 00:32 |
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| czr | good luck :-) | 00:32 |
| alterego | Because ruby2 comes out soon and I'll be pissed if I can't get it on the device. | 00:32 |
| czr | I'll try finishing up ch03 | 00:32 |
| czr | heh | 00:32 |
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| alterego | IT actually builds fine. It's the install that causes illegal instructions/segfaults/unknown isntructions. | 00:34 |
| czr | installing on the device? | 00:35 |
| alterego | No, make install | 00:35 |
| czr | or the sdk/armel? | 00:35 |
| alterego | SDK | 00:35 |
| czr | armel? | 00:35 |
| _Monkey | armel is the new architecture | 00:35 |
| alterego | Yeah | 00:35 |
| czr | _Monkey, shut up | 00:35 |
| _Monkey | czr: what? | 00:35 |
| czr | bleh | 00:35 |
| czr | alterego, does install use any ruby programs? | 00:35 |
| alterego | Yes | 00:35 |
| czr | ah. there's the problem then | 00:35 |
| alterego | Exactly. | 00:35 |
| czr | file a bug | 00:35 |
| alterego | To who? Myself? | 00:36 |
| czr | you've hit the infamous "use the ARMEL only for building software" bug | 00:36 |
| czr | alterego, you want to know what's the issue? | 00:36 |
| alterego | glibc | 00:36 |
| alterego | And qemu | 00:36 |
| czr | yes | 00:36 |
| czr | and atomic instructions | 00:36 |
| alterego | Oh, | 00:36 |
| czr | ruby either uses them internally or uses some functions from glibc (threads) that use them | 00:37 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 00:37 |
| czr | and they don't work with the version of qemu in the sdk | 00:37 |
| czr | same problem happens with running python programs in armel side | 00:37 |
| czr | on the device the instructions will work | 00:37 |
| czr | so. you must not use armel for testing software. only for building. | 00:37 |
| alterego | Yeah, I had to hack my ruby1.8 rules to not use ruby to install it :/ | 00:37 |
| czr | ironic, isn't it | 00:37 |
| alterego | That's what I'm trying to do ;) | 00:37 |
| alterego | x86 is fine for testing the sort of things I do. | 00:38 |
| czr | but at least you're not in such bad of state as those people who are using build software written and driven by python ;-) | 00:38 |
| alterego | And there's also the device. | 00:38 |
| alterego | Hahah | 00:38 |
| czr | since they can't even build the software on armel | 00:38 |
| khertan | "you're not in such bad of state as those people who are using build software written and driven by python" what do you mean ? | 00:39 |
| czr | so, if you can, try to avoid using anything but the devkit provided tools in build and install targets | 00:39 |
| khertan | czr ? | 00:39 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that czr is not a bug. | 00:39 |
| czr | hah | 00:39 |
| l0ki | are there actual kernel sources out there for OS2008 to compile an own kernel? | 00:39 |
| czr | khertan, running python on armel side will segfault | 00:39 |
| khertan | ah ok :) | 00:39 |
| czr | khertan, so if you're using a make replacement that is implemented in python, well then.. | 00:40 |
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| khertan | (sorry i m not native english) | 00:40 |
| khertan | oki thanks | 00:40 |
| czr | khertan, that's ok. not many of us are | 00:40 |
| khertan | i ve see also on the leaked 2008os that libglade is missing | 00:40 |
| alterego | I actually think this hack is going to work :) | 00:41 |
| alterego | Maybe I should write it up and let the python'rs know ;) | 00:41 |
| czr | alterego, how did you fix it? | 00:41 |
| khertan | and i ve found any python hildondesktop binding too :) | 00:41 |
| alterego | compiled ruby for the host architecture | 00:41 |
| czr | alterego, right. that's one of the possibilities | 00:42 |
| alterego | You just make your build/install scripts use that version instead of the armel one | 00:42 |
| czr | alterego, if you can, write it up on the devel ml | 00:42 |
| czr | I'm sure other people will run across the same issue anyway. you might mention that it's a shared problem to any building process that uses interpreted languages in general (more or less) | 00:42 |
| tko | khertan: libglade missing? | 00:42 |
| alterego | czr, I'll put it on my blog :) | 00:42 |
| czr | since the interpreters themselves are normally quite complex | 00:43 |
| czr | alterego, right. send an email to the blog then? | 00:43 |
| * alterego has a blog now .. | 00:43 | |
| czr | send an email with a link to the blog then? :-) | 00:43 |
| alterego | Yup | 00:43 |
| czr | that's what I wanted to write | 00:43 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, i could have sworn i read a comparison between the recent garnetvm and foleo, but now i cant find it... | 00:44 |
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| alterego | czr, know anything about extras-devel? I can't seem to upload anything. Authentication failure. | 00:44 |
| czr | alterego, sry no. | 00:44 |
| alterego | Hmm. | 00:44 |
| czr | alterego, I don't really do maemo development | 00:44 |
| alterego | No reply on the mailing list,. | 00:44 |
| khertan | libglade was added to the final SDK: | 00:44 |
| khertan | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/libg/libglade2/ | 00:44 |
| czr | alterego, I saw the mail though | 00:44 |
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| alterego | My problem is, I'm a bit of an idiot so I'm probably not even doing it right. | 00:45 |
| czr | whenever I get that feeling, I blame the system | 00:46 |
| czr | so I'm sure it's just lack of docs or something else. | 00:46 |
| czr | besides, I think you've proven to people that you exceed the idiot-threshold by now :-) | 00:46 |
| alterego | Hmm .. This isn't good. It compiled perfectly before. Now it's bolting out again. | 00:46 |
| alterego | I'm gonna start from a new tree. | 00:47 |
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| tko | everyone's an idiot :) | 00:47 |
| czr | np: James Holden: Idiot | 00:47 |
| czr | somehow fits the mood too :-) | 00:47 |
| alterego | Hah | 00:48 |
| tko | and if you try to get above the idiot-threshold, you're just asking for trouble | 00:48 |
| alterego | Yeah, you're probably right. | 00:49 |
| alterego | I'll just stick to what I know ;) | 00:49 |
| czr | tko, trying yes. but if one gets above it without trying? :-) | 00:49 |
| czr | (by mistake that is :-) | 00:49 |
| alterego | Especially in programming. Try to be too clever and you just makes things too complicated for yourself. | 00:49 |
| czr | especially after 6 months when you're trying to figure out what the hell you smoked when wrote the code originally | 00:50 |
| alterego | Hah, yeah. | 00:50 |
| tko | czr: you could always get drunk | 00:50 |
| czr | although I've started commenting like crazy in my own projects because of that | 00:50 |
| czr | tko, not always. alko went on strike :-( | 00:50 |
| tko | I'm sure you can still get a ferry to tallinn | 00:50 |
| czr | hmm. true. | 00:51 |
| alterego | Depends on the code. My ruby-maemo project has barely any comments because most of the extensions have a very simple design pattern. They are just C bindings afterall. | 00:51 |
| czr | although the odds of me not making it back are quite high. | 00:51 |
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| czr | alterego, sure. I was speaking about my own projects of late. | 00:51 |
| alterego | Though, the OSSO bindings do have comments because those bindings are complicated :S | 00:51 |
| czr | they're mostly high-speed i/o-related algorithms | 00:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, probably a bit beyond me. | 00:52 |
| tko | The only alko with normal opening hours is in Maarianhamina :) | 00:52 |
| czr | they're fun. | 00:52 |
| alterego | I'd say I'm intemediate. | 00:52 |
| czr | tko, those bastards :-) | 00:52 |
| alterego | Is Tampere the capital of Finland? | 00:53 |
| czr | some people might think so | 00:53 |
| czr | but not according to CIA at least. | 00:53 |
| alterego | I thought it was Helsinki :x | 00:53 |
| czr | tampere is the fourth largest city is it? | 00:53 |
| czr | alterego, it is | 00:54 |
| czr | tampere isn't far away from here though. nice small town | 00:54 |
| alterego | I guess the world map must be a joke then .. | 00:54 |
| czr | which one? | 00:54 |
| _Monkey | i think which one is it? :) | 00:54 |
| alterego | Why does the world clock in the IT's have Tampere as the timezone for Finland? | 00:54 |
| czr | btw, who operates monkey? | 00:54 |
| alterego | Don't know. | 00:54 |
| czr | they really really really should monkey answer only directed questions | 00:55 |
| gla55_ | alterego: they do some it dev at tampere at least | 00:55 |
| czr | it's getting annoying, esp at night. | 00:55 |
| juh0 | i am from tampere ;) | 00:55 |
| alterego | Is the dev that wrote the ITOS world clock from Tampere? | 00:55 |
| alterego | ;) | 00:55 |
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| kaltsi | helsinki is available there too | 00:55 |
| czr | bleh. I noticed something irritating about world clock | 00:55 |
| kaltsi | I think it chooses the nearest city to the point you happen to click | 00:56 |
| alterego | I can't seem to locate it by clicking on the map. | 00:56 |
| czr | if you by mistake point at some random location on the map, it will overwrite the "visting city/location" and there's no undo | 00:56 |
| alterego | Oh, I guess if they're close together that might explain it .. | 00:56 |
| czr | in this case the other location is on the other side of the world. bleh. | 00:56 |
| czr | also. it would be useful to display both of the location's clocks in the applet directly if enabled | 00:57 |
| alterego | That would be nice. | 00:57 |
| kaltsi | or someone could implement a replacement clock applet | 00:58 |
| czr | that too | 00:58 |
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| alterego | Wouldn't it be better to improve the one already implemented? | 00:58 |
| czr | no. cause it wouldn't be done by volunteers | 00:58 |
| czr | :-) | 00:58 |
| alterego | There's always someting to salvage ;) | 00:58 |
| tko | that reminds I've forgotten to bitch about the clock applet not supporting a simple task as going to a conference | 00:59 |
| kaltsi | thath dual-time clock applet is a good idea | 00:59 |
| czr | it doesn't support much of anything really. it's nice, but pretty useless | 00:59 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I like that idea. | 00:59 |
| alterego | Good at telling the current time. | 00:59 |
| alterego | Looks pretty in OS2008 too .. | 00:59 |
| czr | it is pretty yes | 00:59 |
| kaltsi | add a wrist-wrap and you got your ultimate geek watch! | 00:59 |
| tko | :) | 01:00 |
| czr | kaltsi, what about it? ever wanted to write a desktop applet for 2008? :-) | 01:00 |
| alterego | Bit bulky. | 01:00 |
| czr | alterego, get a better wrist! | 01:00 |
| alterego | Not to mention likely to be damaged ;) | 01:00 |
| alterego | Hah | 01:00 |
| alterego | I can't I've been coding too long! | 01:00 |
| czr | get a bionic thingy | 01:00 |
| alterego | I don't think that would help. | 01:00 |
| kaltsi | czr I'd like to do that but I'd have to find the time :) | 01:00 |
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| czr | "do you have any wrists that would match the N810 in coloration in stock?" | 01:00 |
| alterego | I suppose I'd be more likely to get a girlfriend if that got out though .. | 01:00 |
| czr | kaltsi, ironic isn't it. no time to implement a clock applet. I have the same problem. | 01:01 |
| kaltsi | haha | 01:01 |
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| czr | hmm. all my screenshots just broke. | 01:01 |
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| fer | Hello all ! | 01:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:02 |
| alterego | Sounds Jazzy | 01:02 |
| czr | it is quite so. | 01:02 |
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| fer | I need to mount a network share (nfs or samba) on a n800.... can anyone give me some help? | 01:03 |
| czr | it's especially designed to replace the copyright texts in all the source code examples once more if necessary. | 01:03 |
| lopz | hola | 01:03 |
| alterego | I'm estimating about a month until Ruby2.0 hits the world. | 01:03 |
| fer | I've been trying this for hours, but without successs... | 01:03 |
| alterego | This is great .. | 01:03 |
| kaltsi | fer: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ | 01:03 |
| alterego | Now it segfaults _before_ it gets to the install phase .. | 01:03 |
| kaltsi | hope that helps | 01:03 |
| tko | fer: it might start from compiling your own kernel... | 01:03 |
| czr | alterego, it must be the reset-ahead feature we were discussing before today :-) | 01:04 |
| alterego | Yes, looks like it is. | 01:04 |
| kaltsi | tko at least with IT OS 2007 & 8 it's not that difficult for NFS.. the modules are out there | 01:04 |
| alterego | This is frustrating. | 01:04 |
| czr | hmm. reminds me to update my out-of-tree-module-building-guide for 810 | 01:04 |
| alterego | I thought my hack was fool-proof .. I was wrong. | 01:04 |
| czr | it was only idiot-proof? :-) | 01:05 |
| alterego | idiot > fool | 01:05 |
| rghosh | anyone know why there's no python gtk.glade module ? | 01:05 |
| alterego | rghosh, it wasn't compiled? | 01:05 |
| czr | alterego, it might be longer, but is it greater? :-) | 01:05 |
| fer | kaatis, thanks! looks like it'sjust what I need :) | 01:05 |
| rghosh | ah right thanks | 01:05 |
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| alterego | I actually know why. | 01:05 |
| tko | oh, there's always going to be even more ingenious idiot... | 01:05 |
| kaltsi | haha kaatis :) (that mean's "trashdump" in Finnish) :) | 01:05 |
| czr | kaltsi, I think he knows :-) | 01:06 |
| * alterego starts to cry. | 01:07 | |
| kaltsi | mm | 01:07 |
| rghosh | in case anyone has succeeded in building it for os2008, i'd be glad to know | 01:07 |
| alterego | rghosh, talk to the maintainer. He probably just forgot to install libglade-dev package before compiling pygtk,. | 01:08 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to use motorolla s9 headset with the new os? | 01:09 |
| alterego | |tbb|, did it work with old OS? | 01:10 |
| |tbb| | with kagu hack u could use it as stereo headphone a2dp | 01:10 |
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| fer | kaltsi, thank you very much. NFS mounting now works! | 01:11 |
| alterego | sshfs! | 01:11 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... sshfs is enough for mgedmin_'s needs | 01:11 |
| kaltsi | fer glad to hear that, I wrote the wiki for 2007 & 8 :) | 01:11 |
| tko | fer: didn't upgrade to os2008 yet? :) | 01:11 |
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| alterego | Hack number II | 01:13 |
| alterego | ruby compilation is a bootstrap process it requires a 'miniruby' to compile ruby. That was breaking so I had to remove that rule and symlink my host ruby to miniruby for that target. | 01:14 |
| alterego | This is getting dirty .. | 01:14 |
| alterego | Actually, it was dirty when I started the host hack .. | 01:15 |
| czr | alterego, now you understand the pain :-) | 01:15 |
| czr | maybe if you make a wrapper for sbox that runs sbox in a separate chroot that will build host-only building tools? :-) | 01:16 |
| czr | you can call it jackinabox | 01:16 |
| alterego | Hah | 01:16 |
| alterego | bootstrap-jack-in-the-sbox | 01:16 |
| czr | or pitythefoolbox | 01:17 |
| alterego | It appears to be doing the job. | 01:17 |
| alterego | I'm past the point of caring about that "touch wood" business now. I'm actually expecting it to break again soon :) | 01:17 |
| alterego | make finished successfully .. | 01:18 |
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| czr | yup. that's when the problems really start ;-) | 01:18 |
| alterego | make install broke | 01:19 |
| alterego | But this time, not in a fatal position. It broke whilst attempting to generate documentation. | 01:19 |
| alterego | So I don't care as that's disabled in my maemo builds :) | 01:19 |
| czr | damn. I forgot to replicate my 'hello wold' bug into the new updated screenshot | 01:19 |
| czr | (yes, wold). | 01:19 |
| alterego | Which means .. It' workz! | 01:19 |
| czr | alterego, cool | 01:20 |
| czr | but only if you can write hello wold programs in it | 01:20 |
| alterego | Wonderful ruby VM goodness :) | 01:20 |
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| czr | oh ${DEITY}. finished ch03. | 01:24 |
| alterego | Nice. | 01:24 |
| czr | alterego, there are 8 chapters in this material. and there are still two materials after this one :-) | 01:25 |
| alterego | I'm working on a list of all the dbus signals | 01:25 |
| alterego | I'll let you know when I've done it all. | 01:25 |
| czr | so the "nice" is a bit premature :-) | 01:25 |
| czr | at least this time I don't have "Hello Holdon" in any of the screenshots. | 01:26 |
| czr | happened in one of the 1.0 versions that never luckily ended up on paper (caught it in time). | 01:26 |
| czr | for some reason my hand always slips either into Hilton or Holdon | 01:27 |
| derf | Muscle memory. | 01:27 |
| alterego | I have exactly the same problem .. | 01:27 |
| czr | hmm. one of the screenshots looks weird. bleh | 01:27 |
| alterego | In early ruby-maemo extension development I kept naming my extension shared objects the same as the maemo platform names. | 01:28 |
| alterego | So it was loading those instead :/ | 01:28 |
| alterego | Not good . | 01:28 |
| czr | heh | 01:28 |
| derf | My particular favorite was the Vorbis xmms plugin, which was "libvorbis.so". | 01:29 |
| czr | eww :-) | 01:29 |
| czr | that's like creating an small utility for czr's own use and call it 'c'. | 01:30 |
| derf | One day autoconf decided that since the target name was libvorbis.so, and since it had a -lvorbis in it, that it should tell gcc to link against the output file. | 01:30 |
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| czr | evil vengeance upon all who try to write wrappers for that then :-) | 01:30 |
| czr | derf, autoconf goodness ;-) | 01:30 |
| derf | Like, it intentionally rewrote the command line to replace -lvorbis with a direct reference to the not-yet-created .so file. | 01:30 |
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| czr | heh | 01:31 |
| DaniloCesar | someone knows a guitar tuner for maemo? | 01:31 |
| derf | For some reason that didn't compile. | 01:31 |
| alterego | This isn't very pretty: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/1_2.0.1/hildon-application-manager.xml | 01:31 |
| doublec | DaniloCesar: yes there is one | 01:32 |
| doublec | let me get a link | 01:32 |
| czr | alterego, haha | 01:32 |
| doublec | http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com | 01:32 |
| alterego | czr, there's loads of API with the new Telepathy stuff. | 01:32 |
| doublec | DaniloCesar: download link on the right, plus source | 01:32 |
| doublec | I used it to tune my ukulele | 01:33 |
| DaniloCesar | doublec, thanks! | 01:33 |
| czr | alterego, yeah, that's about the only d-bus thing that IS documented at some level in maemo | 01:33 |
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| czr | alterego, there was a separate telepathy/antipathy howto for 4.x | 01:33 |
| fer | kaltsi, any chance to have unionfs (filesystem) working on th n800/810 ? | 01:33 |
| alterego | evolution-data-server? That's in maemo? | 01:33 |
| czr | alterego, i think so. | 01:34 |
| czr | or maybe not in maemo. but on device. maybe. | 01:34 |
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| alterego | Oh well. There's no point in me doing this list. | 01:34 |
| alterego | The only relevant stuff is telepathy and hildon-desktop-notifications .. | 01:34 |
| czr | alterego, also the prev xml wasn't a d-bus spec anyway | 01:35 |
| alterego | czr, the application-manager? I know it was just ugly ;) | 01:35 |
| kaltsi | fer I don't know, haven't heard of that before | 01:35 |
| czr | yup. there's something to be said about "hacking around design mistakes" :-) | 01:35 |
| alterego | can't they replace 'glob' with 'regexp' ^_^ | 01:36 |
| alterego | Or 'pattern' | 01:36 |
| alterego | or 'match' | 01:36 |
| czr | alterego, doesn't it make you feel glad the extension isn't '.debian'? :-) | 01:36 |
| alterego | Hahah | 01:36 |
| alterego | Yeah | 01:36 |
| czr | ipattern is the norm in those cases | 01:36 |
| czr | or smt like that. it's not rocket science. | 01:36 |
| alterego | What are the Nokia people like at accepting patches for that kind of stuff? | 01:36 |
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| alterego | I'd like to get involved in Hildon .. | 01:37 |
| * czr shrugs | 01:37 | |
| kaltsi | fer FUSE is known to work on the device if that's of any help, but it requires building a module and I suspect unionfs would require that too | 01:37 |
| l0ki | are there actual kernel sources out there for OS2008 to compile an own kernel? | 01:39 |
| alterego | l0ki, yes. | 01:40 |
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| alterego | czr, you'd think if it's getting tacked onto the gnome project it'd be completely open, so I guess they'd like the input. | 01:40 |
| l0ki | alterego, 2 more questions :) : 1st: what is the package name? 2nd: will it be necessary to compile 2 seperate kernel for n800 & n810? | 01:41 |
| * |R wonders what part of the system are the proprietary ones | 01:42 | |
| alterego | l0ki, anything is possible. | 01:42 |
| alterego | But I can't find the kernel sources .. So it might not be possible. | 01:42 |
| alterego | Headers .. No problem .. | 01:42 |
| kaltsi | kernel source package is kenrel-source-rx-34 or something like that | 01:43 |
| l0ki | kaltsi, that was for the n800. i guessed kernel-sources-rx-44 but that package doesn't exist ;) | 01:44 |
| kaltsi | kernel-source-rx-34 | 01:44 |
| alterego | It may not be released yet. | 01:44 |
| kaltsi | there's no separate rx-44 kernel package so that might answer your 2nd question | 01:44 |
| alterego | Yeah .. Or it's the same :) | 01:44 |
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| l0ki | so... a post to the mailing list or try and hit :) | 01:45 |
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| kaltsi | the rx-34-kernel package README says that it provides stuff for n800 and n810 | 01:48 |
| alterego | czr, doesn't look like the 'persistent' hint is actually used yet. | 01:49 |
| czr | alterego, ah. ok | 01:49 |
| czr | alterego, good to know I guess. | 01:49 |
| czr | anyhow, I need some sleep. tomorrow is yet another deadline, bleh. | 01:50 |
| alterego | It's there but never gets used. | 01:50 |
| * czr nods | 01:50 | |
| alterego | Have a good night. | 01:50 |
| czr | thanks for the detective work! | 01:50 |
| czr | you too | 01:50 |
| l0ki | kaltsi, thanks. i will give it a try :) | 01:50 |
| kaltsi | np :) | 01:51 |
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| czr | alterego, heh, someone else ran into the same problem btw on the ml | 01:52 |
| czr | "Failed creating my first .deb package of a python library for.." | 01:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:52 |
| czr | "and this is how the third age, the dark age, starts..." | 01:53 |
| alterego | I must have accidentally deleted that one :x | 01:53 |
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| czr | I wonder how long it will take for someone to answer to that one with a solution though. | 01:53 |
| * czr bets 6 days or longer (including never) | 01:53 | |
| alterego | Hah | 01:53 |
| alterego | I would reply but I've got nothing to reply to ;) | 01:54 |
| czr | I can forward you the message :-) | 01:54 |
| alterego | Sure | 01:54 |
| alterego | alterego at freeshell.org | 01:54 |
| czr | oh. not alterego@sdf.lonestar.smt? | 01:55 |
| alterego | Same inbox | 01:55 |
| alterego | So year | 01:55 |
| czr | ah, well I already forwarded it | 01:55 |
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| czr | anyhow, time for sleep. laters all -> | 01:56 |
| alterego | I have a feeling the "persistant" stuff isn't working yet because it's not completely finished. | 01:56 |
| alterego | The close_all method doesn't seem to properly handle it .. | 01:57 |
| alterego | Oh wait .. | 01:57 |
| alterego | No, I'm just being an idiot again. | 01:57 |
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| alterego | goodnight | 01:57 |
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| milhouse | blimey... the "browser" process on os2008/n800 is consuming between 10% and 30% cpu while minimised (bbc news home page) - not good | 02:10 |
| milhouse | and 71% of memory! | 02:10 |
| milhouse | cripes it just hit 41.2% cpu | 02:10 |
| zerojay | It doesn't matter. | 02:10 |
| milhouse | oh go on, explain! :) | 02:11 |
| milhouse | don't tease me like that | 02:11 |
| zerojay | The amount of memory a process takes doesn't really matter. | 02:11 |
| milhouse | oh right ok - but the cpu does | 02:11 |
| zerojay | Doesn't matter if there's only one byte free. | 02:11 |
| milhouse | although surely it would be better if it used less memory? | 02:12 |
| zerojay | Why? | 02:12 |
| milhouse | dunno, would just seem reasonable :) | 02:12 |
| zerojay | It just means that memory it isn't using is being wasted anyways. | 02:12 |
| milhouse | or available for something else? | 02:12 |
| zerojay | When something else needs it, it'll be freed for it. | 02:12 |
| milhouse | you mean something will be swapped? | 02:13 |
| zerojay | What are you using to measure memory use, free? | 02:13 |
| milhouse | top | 02:13 |
| zerojay | You're just worrying about nothing then. | 02:13 |
| zerojay | Unless the CPU's completely hogged by a process, there's not much point worrying. | 02:14 |
| milhouse | i'm not convinced, but still the cpu usage is something we don't have to disagree upon :) | 02:14 |
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| milhouse | now that's bollox | 02:14 |
| milhouse | if the cpu is running at 30% while the app is minimised that breaks all of nokias application design guidelines for maemo | 02:14 |
| zerojay | You can't design cpu use. | 02:15 |
| zerojay | You can attempt to optimize. | 02:15 |
| alterego | Hahah | 02:15 |
| zerojay | But you can't design it. | 02:15 |
| milhouse | the app is minimised therefore it should be using minimal cpu - that's the maemo mantra | 02:15 |
| zerojay | 30%. | 02:15 |
| zerojay | On a slow processor. | 02:15 |
| zerojay | That's nothing. | 02:15 |
| yabbas | 'lo peeps. | 02:15 |
| alterego | You could make your app set the CPU frequency to it's lowest setting and say you're optimizing the platform whilst your app is running to conserve battery power. | 02:15 |
| alterego | srsly kthxbyez | 02:16 |
| zerojay | Also, on our tablets we don't have anywhere near as many processes running as a full desktop Linux computer anyways. | 02:16 |
| milhouse | gonna have to agree to disagree - this is a cast iron breaking of the rules, the app is minimised therefore it should be close to zero cpu to preserve battery, this ain't a desktop :) | 02:16 |
| zerojay | The app's going to take what it's going to take. | 02:17 |
| zerojay | Unless it's doing something stupid. | 02:17 |
| zerojay | Recursive symlinks in the home directory, anybody? | 02:17 |
| milhouse | i think you just hit the nail on the head | 02:17 |
| alterego | What does that app do? Is it able to suspend when minimized? That's the normal thing to do .. | 02:17 |
| milhouse | browser? have a guess... :) | 02:17 |
| lardman | is that ~30% of 164MHz? | 02:18 |
| zerojay | My guess is that your page is using Flash, milhouse. | 02:18 |
| milhouse | bbc news home page | 02:18 |
| zerojay | I don't know it. | 02:18 |
| alterego | Ah | 02:18 |
| milhouse | it's got a javascript ticker BUT the point is it's MINIMISED!!! | 02:18 |
| milhouse | :) | 02:18 |
| lardman | :) | 02:18 |
| milhouse | minimised means no activity | 02:19 |
| * alterego makes a note to not leave browser windows open too much. | 02:19 | |
| zerojay | milhouse: Wrong. | 02:19 |
| yabbas | milhouse: It has to execute the javascript at some point :) | 02:19 |
| milhouse | 'cos there's nothing to display to the user - catch up with the current page state when the app is revealed | 02:19 |
| lardman | tradeoff between no activity and having to wait for updates after you restore the window | 02:19 |
| alterego | Somebody wanna check on OS2007? | 02:19 |
| alterego | I would but I don't have it installed at the moment. | 02:19 |
| milhouse | need someone from the browser team to comment :) | 02:19 |
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| zerojay | milhouse: Minimized means "not having the active focus." Nothing more, nothing less. | 02:19 |
| lardman | night all | 02:19 |
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| milhouse | no screen updates when possible | 02:19 |
| zerojay | There's still stuff to process though. | 02:20 |
| milhouse | although i grant you js could be a tricky case... | 02:20 |
| zerojay | Javascript ticker, for example. | 02:20 |
| milhouse | yah | 02:20 |
| zerojay | That will still be firing off. | 02:20 |
| milhouse | hmm | 02:20 |
| milhouse | right just gone to a blank page and minimised it... | 02:20 |
| zerojay | Unlike phones, our apps don't go into a suspended state. | 02:20 |
| milhouse | cpu just dropped to zero - arse! :) | 02:21 |
| zerojay | Not when switching tasks anyways. | 02:21 |
| yabbas | I doubt there's any updates to the screen whilst it's minimized. That's most likely at a higher level than the app. | 02:21 |
| milhouse | lesson learned - don't leave the browser minimised with active js if you care about battery life :) | 02:21 |
| milhouse | up to 40% cpu for a silly little js ticker is pretty extreme | 02:21 |
| milhouse | suspect gecko js could be improved :) | 02:22 |
| zerojay | Well, you have to understand that there's just not much CPU time to go around on our small processor. | 02:22 |
| zerojay | That same JS might be just 0.1 on an average desktop. | 02:22 |
| milhouse | if you look at the different browsers, js performance varies wildly | 02:22 |
| zerojay | Agreed. | 02:23 |
| yabbas | Dunno about that these days...my machine struggles with quite a few Ajax apps :-/ | 02:23 |
| milhouse | some are much better than others, mozilla isn't great (though it is good in areas) | 02:23 |
| milhouse | i think Ajax will probably drive a review of the mozilla code at some stage (if it hasn't already) | 02:23 |
| zerojay | What's wrong with Ajax on Gecko? | 02:24 |
| alterego | I think a lot of people are scared of a gecko review ;) | 02:24 |
| wumpus | ajax is kind of good in crashing mozilla, or at least getting it to a crazily high cpu percentage | 02:24 |
| yabbas | wumpus: Opera too :) | 02:24 |
| wumpus | just open slashdot with the new comment system, or any other js heavy site | 02:24 |
| wumpus | yeah it's not just gecko | 02:24 |
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| zerojay | I ask mainly because aside from Microb, I don't use anything from Mozilla. | 02:24 |
| alterego | Anyhow, sleep time. Goodnight folks. | 02:24 |
| milhouse | zero: nothing is wrong with AJAX in Gecko i'm just saying that since AJAX is fundamentally javascript based the performance of the javascript engine has a direct impact on the performance of AJAX | 02:24 |
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| zerojay | alterego: Later. | 02:25 |
| wumpus | but I hate it that sites take cpu% even if I'm doing something else, working on another workspace, or tab and not even looking at the site | 02:25 |
| zerojay | Most of the time, you shouldn't notice that. | 02:25 |
| wumpus | well nothing wrong with the performance of the js engine.. it just shouldn't be active all the time | 02:25 |
| wumpus | not using browser should be pause javascript apps imo | 02:26 |
| milhouse | I've had to tune a lot of JS/Ajax code in my time and IE is definately the worst, but Mozilla can be surprisingly slow at times | 02:26 |
| milhouse | mind you a lot of that can be DOM related as well | 02:26 |
| zerojay | It's hard to optimize something like that because the code it has to run can be completely different. It's too hard to tune towards a specific use case. | 02:26 |
| yabbas | Anyways - I don't mean to steer the conversation away [well I do really, heh] but I was after some insight into how you've (plural) setup your development environments for seamless coding, compilation in either x86 or armel, execution and debugging in scratchbox/on the N800. Made a post on ITT this evening but replies seem slow :) | 02:27 |
| milhouse | true, but there are severak JS benchmarks (of a sort) and the times vary a lot in each browser suggesting there are some gains to be made, and small gains can add up | 02:27 |
| yabbas | wumpus: disagree with pausing JScript - it'll break a helluva lot of websites as soon as you minimize the browser which is silly. Though I agree it should be an advanced user option to selectively do that. | 02:29 |
| wumpus | yabbas: yeah, well either that or sites should behave and do only the bare minimum update when minimized | 02:30 |
| wumpus | yabbas: but I don't really trust most web developers :P | 02:30 |
| wumpus | so I'd just say pause the thing and I don't care what breaks, usually it is some forum or mail thingy anyway in my case | 02:31 |
| wumpus | the worst that could happen is having to re-log in | 02:31 |
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| yabbas | wumpus: dunno whether websites can actively check if the browser has been minimized or not :) [perhaps if they query the DOM for width...which should be 0 for a minimized browser *shrugs* I dunno] | 02:32 |
| wumpus | yabbas: exactly, and if it's possible almost noone actually does it, or knows it | 02:32 |
| wumpus | and probably it's not portable between browsers anyway | 02:33 |
| yabbas | Either way if I was checking my stock prices and the browser paused everything when I had it minimized I'd be most peeved if it paused updates | 02:33 |
| milhouse | wumpus - i can understand (now) why the browser needs to remain active while the js is running, after all it could be a chat page or something which you wouldn't want paused however 30-40% seems a trifle excessive but without further investigation i don't know if the problems lies within the browser/js implementation or the way the BBC have written their ticker | 02:33 |
| zerojay | It's the fact that the ticker is running on an extremely limited processor. | 02:34 |
| milhouse | bollox | 02:34 |
| milhouse | (no offence) :) | 02:34 |
| zerojay | You can't possibly expect something that takes only 1% on a 4ghz processor to take 1% on a small ARM chip. | 02:35 |
| milhouse | we all know the cpu is somewhat limited but that's not always the reason for an app consuming vast quantities of cpu | 02:35 |
| wumpus | well every cpu is limited | 02:35 |
| wumpus | I've even seen it on an extremely fast cpu | 02:35 |
| wumpus | that firefox just *hogs* the machine every few seconds when a page was updated that was not even visible | 02:36 |
| milhouse | yeah but that could be down to anything - it all depends what the js is doing, it could be redrawing the entire page element by element :) | 02:37 |
| wumpus | ideally, user input driven apps should not consume cpu when not used | 02:37 |
| wumpus | or almost nothing, some net traffic is ok | 02:37 |
| wumpus | but doing screen updates that are not visible.. no way | 02:37 |
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| wumpus | maybe there would be a way to limit te js to a very small % of the cpu | 02:38 |
| wumpus | would=should | 02:39 |
| milhouse | while the app is mimimised the dom may stil be updated - just because the app isn't visible doesn't matter a great deal, the OS will only paint the display when it's rendered but the backing for that render must be current which is what can consume the cpu | 02:39 |
| zerojay | wumpus: Only if you want to kill off JS completely. | 02:39 |
| wumpus | but yeah imo the current html/dom/js model is a abomination at least, so I will shut up about it now :) | 02:41 |
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| zerojay | Damn it, the N810 went on sale direct fron Nokia and in less than three hours, already sold out. | 02:42 |
| yabbas | :o | 02:42 |
| yabbas | which nokia? | 02:43 |
| zerojay | Before they notified me that it was supposed to be on sale. | 02:43 |
| zerojay | USA. | 02:43 |
| yabbas | bwah... *checks the uk site* | 02:43 |
| yabbas | nothing here yet | 02:43 |
| zerojay | That is such bullshit, man. | 02:44 |
| yabbas | lol | 02:44 |
| zerojay | Ship date of next batch: 27th. | 02:44 |
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| zerojay | uugggggg. | 02:44 |
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| yabbas | I wonder how many they had. And how many went to the 500 :) | 02:45 |
| zerojay | I doubt any went to the 500. | 02:45 |
| zerojay | Because we were told we'd be informed of when they went on sale. | 02:45 |
| zerojay | And we weren't. | 02:45 |
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| yabbas | hmm, how'd you know they were available then? Could be a site glitch for pre-orders. | 02:47 |
| zerojay | ThoughtFix. | 02:47 |
| _Monkey | thoughtfix is, like, reloading the firmware repository every 4 hours or so | 02:47 |
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| yabbas | doh | 02:47 |
| yabbas | blimeh - even the sales rep wanted one | 02:48 |
| * yabbas thinks this is perhaps the turning point for maemo | 02:48 | |
| maddler | :) | 02:49 |
| maddler | not sure knowing so early about being accepted fon device program was... hmmm... ealthy! :) | 02:50 |
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| l7 | did the first batch of 810s ship? | 02:51 |
| * l7 chekcs | 02:51 | |
| maddler | this way I bet everyone keeps reloading his/her mailbox! :D | 02:51 |
| maddler | l7: not for .it at least | 02:51 |
| yabbas | I know what you mean maddler :D sitting here refreshing the website over and over again. | 02:51 |
| maddler | yabbas: right!!! | 02:51 |
| maddler | and creating thunderbird's filters... to be sure THE mail won't be classified as spam! :D | 02:52 |
| yabbas | haaw :D | 02:52 |
| maddler | hehe | 02:52 |
| milhouse | if history is to be repeated there's bound to be a hardware fault in the first batch so i'm happy to wait a while (my bet: keyboard slide is loose or breaks!) | 02:53 |
| * yabbas curses as Phosphor refuses to work :( | 02:53 | |
| milhouse | obviously I hope I'm wrong | 02:53 |
| maddler | dunno... my N800, 1st batch, was perfect :D | 02:53 |
| milhouse | some had dodgey cameras | 02:53 |
| maddler | well... my E90 isn't... but... that's it... :D | 02:53 |
| maddler | milhouse: yes, I remember... | 02:54 |
| milhouse | 770... well everyone has the potential for a WSOD | 02:54 |
| maddler | milhouse: we'll see... hoping Nokia learned from the past... | 02:54 |
| yabbas | maddler: What's the power vr mbx like on the E90? Has it been exploited fully in many games/apps? | 02:54 |
| maddler | vr mbx? | 02:55 |
| milhouse | yabbas - you're probably better off looking at the N95, as it supports n-gage gaming | 02:55 |
| maddler | I have my Nintendo DS to play games.. :D | 02:56 |
| zerojay | We'll hope N-Gage this time around is far better than the absolute disaster it was the first time around. | 02:56 |
| yabbas | milhouse: Not looking at it from that perspective. Just wondering since the same omap is in our trusty N8x0's. | 02:56 |
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| zerojay | Honestly, if you're going to make a phone a game platform, at least PLAY SOUND PROPERLY. | 02:56 |
| zerojay | Which neither the N-Gage or N-Gage QD was able to do. | 02:56 |
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| maddler | indeed... | 02:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It would be awesome if Nokia would push the whole N-Gage deal over this direction. | 02:58 |
| yabbas | aye | 02:58 |
| maddler | milhouse: I forgot... Nokia's CRM was fucked up when I ordered my N800! :D and address' labels fields where messed up! :D | 02:59 |
| maddler | milhouse: could it be considered a bug? :D | 02:59 |
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| zerojay | I say this as a person that works in cell phone gaming: I will never be interested in playing a game on a phone unless there will be controls at least as good as the NES back in the day. | 02:59 |
| yabbas | GeneralAntilles: I'd imagine the iPhone would get a real run for its money :) | 02:59 |
| MoRpHeUz | mamona is available =) | 02:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If we could just get a non-craptastic bluetooth gamepad . . . | 03:00 |
| yabbas | zerojay: Agreed. Which is why I'm looking at developing a HAL for the Wiimote ;) | 03:00 |
| zerojay | yabbas: That's even worse. | 03:00 |
| maddler | TTL here... see you later! :D | 03:00 |
| * yabbas tuts | 03:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Wiimote would be great. | 03:00 |
| zerojay | Much rather have a cell phone number pad than a wiimote. | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have a bunch of those lying around | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you USED a Wiimote? :\ | 03:01 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 03:01 |
| zerojay | Unfortunately. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pft | 03:01 |
| zerojay | 30 minutes of my life I want back. | 03:01 |
| yabbas | Works well enough for the meeeeeellions who use it. And the many more who wish they could source a Wii :) | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now that just sounds like hating. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your PS3 just doesn't stack up, does it? :P | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, the Wii is FANTASTIC | 03:02 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Don't own one, but I would much rather have a PS3. | 03:02 |
| yabbas | GeneralAntilles: oi ... the 5 games available on the PS3 are ok ;) | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Metroid went and proved how awesome it is at FPSs. | 03:02 |
| zerojay | Metroid is a great game. | 03:02 |
| zerojay | But not good to play with the Wiimote. | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having played through it | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I disagree. | 03:03 |
| zerojay | Just like the DS version was ruined by the controls. | 03:03 |
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| zerojay | That's what I find so heartbreaking about Nintendo these days. | 03:03 |
| yabbas | zerojay: It's intuitive for most and just works. I'd never in a million years have imagined my dad playing on a games console. :) | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That you're nearly alone is your hating? :\ | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | *in | 03:03 |
| zerojay | yabbas: Games that are fun for your dad are fun for me for about 10 minutes. | 03:04 |
| milhouse | I'm just about to sell my Wii and 7 games and two controllers (2x classic, 2x nunchuk) for £200. I don't play it. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaded, too. | 03:04 |
| zerojay | The wii thing is seriously taking a nosedive. | 03:04 |
| milhouse | The Wii is great for kids and great for groups of people - billy no mates here never got to play it | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardly | 03:04 |
| yabbas | zerojay: It's more a group thing tbh. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 1st party titles are just around the corner. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Smash is going to RULE with multiplayer. ;) | 03:05 |
| milhouse | I got a PS3 instead - mainly for the Blu-Ray (5-disc Blade Runner on Blu-Ray - I can't wait!!!) | 03:05 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: That's what Nintendo always says and just like the last 15 years, they keep being delayed.. and everyone saves their cash for the Nintendo titles so 3rd party games don't sell anything on Nintendo systems.. | 03:05 |
| zerojay | Smash will be great. | 03:05 |
| zerojay | When it comes out. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather it be delayed than be shit | 03:05 |
| zerojay | Sure, agreed. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patches don't come easy on consoles. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and who cares if it's delayed another few months? | 03:06 |
| yabbas | Wish I had a HD tv good enough to experience 1080p :( | 03:06 |
| zerojay | I also don't like waiting two years for one or two games though. | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I _still_ play my Cube. | 03:06 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: The problem is that it's not just delayed a few months. It's a few months and then a few more and a few more and more. | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, yabbas, Xbox 360 + VGA + CRT computer monitor. ;) | 03:06 |
| yabbas | GeneralAntilles: not the same ;) | 03:06 |
| zerojay | At work, when we got a wii, it was in constant use for a month. | 03:06 |
| zerojay | 80 people. | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is when you're sitting at desk distance. ;) | 03:07 |
| zerojay | It hasn't been even turned on since about March. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give it time | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The games are coming | 03:07 |
| zerojay | It's had enough time. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Part of the problem is that all the 3rd parties wrote it off and didn't develop anything for it. | 03:07 |
| yabbas | zerojay: It needs more pick-up-n-go titles. I'd imagine you'd have about 10 minutes in a lunch break to play on it at best. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | So the earlier titles ended up being shitty ports | 03:08 |
| zerojay | yabbas: One hour. | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now they see that nobody can even keep them in stock | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and development is starting. | 03:08 |
| yabbas | zerojay: no lunch? :D | 03:08 |
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| zerojay | yabbas: Doesn't take that long to eat. ;) | 03:08 |
| milhouse | yeah a lot of the developers dismissed the Wii as a joke and have now come to regret it | 03:08 |
| yabbas | I'm a fatty ... and I like my food ;) | 03:08 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: A lot of developers are cooling on it VERY quick because they know they won't make money on it with games like Smash looming over the system for years before it's even released. | 03:09 |
| zerojay | People buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo's games. | 03:09 |
| zerojay | Everyone else.. you're lucky to break even. | 03:09 |
| milhouse | oh i dunno, 5m+ Wiis out there is a pretty market - the 360 is "only" 11.5m (or there abouts) | 03:09 |
| zerojay | You might make up your cost in the first month after your game launches. | 03:10 |
| yabbas | The DS is doing well enough with 3rd parties :) | 03:10 |
| milhouse | s/pretty/pretty good/ | 03:10 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: oh i dunno, 5m+ Wiis out there is a pretty good market - the 360 is "only" 11.5m (or there abouts) | 03:10 |
| zerojay | Then you have about 3 months of life left before you're done. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | DS fucking PRINTS money for Nintendo. ;) | 03:10 |
| zerojay | Cell phone games, however.. they have a much steadier life. | 03:10 |
| zerojay | Slower monthly sales at less profit but they can last years. | 03:11 |
| zerojay | New phones come out, you port to them.. more bucks for you. | 03:11 |
| zerojay | The wiiware thing could end up going that way. | 03:11 |
| zerojay | Which would be interesting. | 03:11 |
| yabbas | I seriously know very few individuals who actively search, seek and download cell phone games. Granted they must be out there - but most I know stick with the standard Snake installed on their Nokias, heh | 03:11 |
| zerojay | yabbas: Agreed, but I've got the sales to prove otherwise... to my surprise. | 03:12 |
| yabbas | Still - even with only 0.5% cell phone market penetration....with the BILLIONS of phones out there that still tops any console sales | 03:12 |
| zerojay | Yeah, exactly. | 03:12 |
| yabbas | And no licensing fees | 03:12 |
| zerojay | Even a small modest game no one's heard of could top a million sales over 3 or 4 years. | 03:13 |
| zerojay | And still be unknown, generally speaking. | 03:13 |
| * yabbas nods | 03:13 | |
| zerojay | yabbas: Not true. | 03:13 |
| zerojay | There are still licensing fees. | 03:13 |
| zerojay | Though not what you might expect. | 03:13 |
| zerojay | BREW games have to pass NSTL certification. | 03:13 |
| zerojay | Expensive. | 03:13 |
| yabbas | I had no idea about brew - was thinking about J2ME | 03:14 |
| zerojay | There too. | 03:14 |
| zerojay | We develop for both. | 03:14 |
| yabbas | ?? blimeh | 03:14 |
| yabbas | I thought you could pick up the SDK for free and just start coding away. | 03:14 |
| zerojay | yabbas: Oh, if you want to make your own stuff, sure. | 03:14 |
| zerojay | yabbas: Want to have it available to buy? | 03:15 |
| zerojay | yabbas: Different story. | 03:15 |
| yabbas | Aah, portals and the like.. | 03:15 |
| zerojay | Carriers want their own cut. | 03:15 |
| yabbas | greedy buggers | 03:15 |
| zerojay | They also want specific things in the game... their logos, pimping other games... | 03:15 |
| zerojay | Censorship. | 03:15 |
| * yabbas nods | 03:15 | |
| zerojay | Everything you've heard about Verizon censorship? | 03:15 |
| zerojay | It's about twice as bad. | 03:16 |
| yabbas | Thankfully we don't have them here :) | 03:16 |
| K`zan | Does anyone know if Maemo Mapper works with a USB GPS connection or if it is only BT? | 03:16 |
| yabbas | Is the US still about 5 years behind everywhere else in the world re mobile technology? | 03:16 |
| zerojay | Good question. | 03:16 |
| zerojay | yabbas: Not quite that bad. | 03:16 |
| milhouse | yabbas - no, it's at least 8 ;) | 03:17 |
| zerojay | The thing that saves the US is the low costs. | 03:17 |
| zerojay | Using a phone in the US is cheap. | 03:17 |
| zerojay | Data is cheap. | 03:17 |
| yabbas | everything's cheap over there :( | 03:17 |
| zerojay | Come up a little further north into Canada, and you will see how to get your ass raped. | 03:17 |
| zerojay | People complain about unlimited data plans in the US being $30. | 03:18 |
| K`zan | coung, WHERE? Or I suppose "cheap" is relative to an arab sheik ;-) | 03:18 |
| zerojay | In Canada, you get 100MB for $65. | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why bother, K`zan? Bluetooth GPS is better. | 03:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles likes his cheap American crap. :) | 03:18 | |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Because I have one I am used to and like :-) | 03:18 |
| zerojay | The crazy data prices up here is the one reason I don't have my tablet tethered to any phone. | 03:18 |
| zerojay | And would be the only reason I would want a phone. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor Canadians. | 03:19 |
| milhouse | eh? | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's cold, boring, and expensive. :P | 03:19 |
| K`zan | LOL | 03:19 |
| zerojay | The iPhone in the US.. $400. | 03:19 |
| zerojay | The Canadian dollar is now worth more than the US. | 03:19 |
| lopz | re | 03:19 |
| zerojay | Canadian price: $800. | 03:19 |
| milhouse | I'd emigrate to Canada if I were looking to emigrate anywhere... love Canada, love Canadians. very nice people. | 03:20 |
| zerojay | ON TOP of 3 year contract AND the insane data plans. | 03:20 |
| yabbas | iPhone in UK = £270 ~ $540 | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | US exporters are having a good year. | 03:20 |
| zerojay | milhouse: After being in the US for 5 years, I was dying to come back home. | 03:20 |
| yabbas | GeneralAntilles: aren't they all from China? ;) | 03:20 |
| milhouse | zerojay - I can totally understand that! | 03:20 |
| milhouse | I'd never want to live in USA | 03:20 |
| zerojay | I got my wife and kid out of there at the best possible time with all the insane shit going on down there. | 03:21 |
| milhouse | Canada is far more chilled out | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Scared you might catch a bullet from one of our daily sidewalk shootouts? :P | 03:21 |
| zerojay | As far as I'm concerned, Canada is what the US would have been if it weren't so scared of it's own shadow. | 03:21 |
| zerojay | The people down there are so blanketed with fear and they don't even realize it. | 03:22 |
| zerojay | From terror alert levels to "before you let your child out the door tomorrow morning, you have to see this" news reports. | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not even kidding. | 03:22 |
| yabbas | When I was there I couldn't believe the majority of people didn't watch the News, or give a toss what was happening outside of their state. | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of money in fear mongering. | 03:23 |
| zerojay | Which is why they cling to their guns so tightly. | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bullshit | 03:23 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Refering to me or yabbas? | 03:23 |
| yabbas | Mind you - I was in Texas | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I cling to my guns because A. They're fun as hell and B. Big government is a Bad Idea. | 03:23 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Guns don't prevent big government... as your country has shown. | 03:24 |
| deejoe | zing | 03:24 |
| yabbas | zong | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course not | 03:24 |
| milhouse | eek... this is rapdily turning into that IIT/Finland shooting thread all over again... next someone will tell me the USA won the second world war single handed. | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | but they do make great strides towards change when TSHTF | 03:24 |
| deejoe | "guns don't prevent big government...people prevent big government" | 03:24 |
| yabbas | milhouse: You mean they didn't!??!?!? | 03:24 |
| zerojay | The whole reason why guns are so loved down there is because people are just that scared and afraid. They won't admit it, but that's what's going on. Up here, it's not like that at all. | 03:24 |
| milhouse | yabbas: lol | 03:24 |
| yabbas | milhouse: Still. At least they got there a little earlier than last time ;) | 03:25 |
| milhouse | only 'cos they had no other choice! | 03:25 |
| milhouse | (nazis inciting mexico to invade texas and all that sh1t) | 03:25 |
| yabbas | milhouse: Be happy in the knowledge that they'll be making the choice when the 3rd one comes along :) | 03:26 |
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| milhouse | choice? they'll fcking start it! | 03:26 |
| milhouse | :) | 03:26 |
| * yabbas grins | 03:26 | |
| zerojay | The sad thing is that the average American is a good natured person that genuinely wants to be good to others and all of those good people are getting a bad reputation now because of the people in power. | 03:27 |
| milhouse | yeah, the silent majority | 03:27 |
| * deejoe is reading Tony Judt's _Postwar_ | 03:28 | |
| yabbas | My experience in Austin was slightly different - there the average Texan was an opportunistic person. If he had business with you, he would talk. If not - he couldn't care less. | 03:28 |
| yabbas | Mind you that was a good 10 years ago. I'd imagine I'd be lynched if I went there now :) ... that's if they don't ship me off to Guantanamo | 03:29 |
| milhouse | Orange doesn't suit you? | 03:29 |
| milhouse | (gets coat, leaves) | 03:30 |
| yabbas | Fake tan never did. | 03:30 |
| * yabbas durka mohammed jihad | 03:31 | |
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| fer | TopGear did an "interesting" in the US a few months ago.. :) | 03:33 |
| yabbas | lol | 03:33 |
| fer | http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/83178/Top_Gear_USA_Trip_Part_4_4_.html | 03:33 |
| yabbas | loved that episode | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 03:33 |
| fer | oops.. forgot "video" before "in the US" | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a bunch of anti-US drivel. | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does get ratings overseas, though. :\ | 03:33 |
| fer | hey, I'm not anti-US.. | 03:33 |
| fer | they were asking for it.. | 03:34 |
| milhouse | the road trip was rather good | 03:34 |
| yabbas | GeneralAntilles: I'm not anti-US either :) you make good things...like the internet. | 03:34 |
| fer | people make the internet... | 03:35 |
| milhouse | it was either staged or they were a bunch of red necks... | 03:35 |
| milhouse | with top gear there's a good chance it was staged... | 03:35 |
| yabbas | Hmmm, dunno about that - mississipi (sp?) _is_ hick-town. | 03:36 |
| milhouse | i'll give them the benefit of the doubt (oh silly me!) ;) | 03:36 |
| yabbas | haw | 03:36 |
| yabbas | milhouse: so you from the uk or canada? | 03:36 |
| fer | they said they got sued from the woman they gave the car to... | 03:36 |
| milhouse | uk but i've visited canada a few times (holidays, visiting relatives etc.) | 03:37 |
| * yabbas nods | 03:37 | |
| * yabbas is liking the speed increase in os2008 | 03:38 | |
| milhouse | someone gives you a free car and you sue... nice! | 03:38 |
| fer | that wasn't really a car.. | 03:38 |
| fer | anyway... | 03:39 |
| fer | what do you think, when will the n810 be out for sale? | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Today | 03:39 |
| yabbas | I have inside knowledge that it'll be out on the 22nd | 03:40 |
| fer | isn't tomorrow "black-friday" ? | 03:40 |
| fer | (the day that shops sell the most) | 03:40 |
| K`zan | Not here :-) ,my n800 arrives tomorrow :-) | 03:40 |
| yabbas | ok - I don't really. | 03:40 |
| fer | K`zan, the n800 is nice. | 03:41 |
| fer | how about the gps lock time on the n810? | 03:41 |
| fer | 10min? they have to be kidding!!! | 03:41 |
| yabbas | must be cold start | 03:41 |
| K`zan | fer: I think so too, did a LOT of research before coming here and getting convinced :-) | 03:41 |
| K`zan | Looks like my gps is useless for the n800 with no USB support in MM :-(. | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just buy a real GPS. :P | 03:42 |
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| yabbas | I seriously doubt they'd bother if it did take 10 mins to lock | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or get to hacking. | 03:42 |
| K`zan | I have a REAL gps :) | 03:42 |
| K`zan | There is a thought, will have to set up dev for 2007 and 2008, wheeeee :)! | 03:43 |
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| K`zan | I really should go see what apps are there for 2008 before I do that. | 03:43 |
| yabbas | I can't help but feel an extra millimetre width on the N810 to get SD card shimmied in there wouldn't have been worthwhile :( | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very much agreed. | 03:43 |
| fer | I have a n800 and an external GPS... but it's a pain to carry both... and chargers.. and cables.. etc.. | 03:44 |
| K`zan | Does the external card push in and out or is it push in and pry out? | 03:44 |
| fer | I'd buy the n810... but if the gps inside sucks.. thed I'll pass it... | 03:44 |
| fer | K`zan, you need to push the card out with your nail. there's a small indentation on the card. | 03:45 |
| K`zan | fre, OK, thanks. | 03:45 |
| yabbas | fer: I don't find it so bad :) I have an NDS case that fits the N800, Bluetooth GPS, headphones, USB retractable charger and my W810i all at the same time. | 03:45 |
| K`zan | nds case? A case for the n800 is something I will probably want to address reasonably soon. | 03:46 |
| fer | btw, ou tof curiosity, was the old navicore ever cracked? | 03:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 03:46 |
| yabbas | K`zan: nintendo DS...the one I have is neoprene | 03:46 |
| * yabbas is so glad navicom kept the old serial numbers working | 03:47 | |
| yabbas | I bought the navigation bundle on amazon not so long ago... gave the N770 to grandad and kept the rest for me :) | 03:48 |
| fer | the 770 was cute... I really liked it.. but it was so slow... and the browser crashed so often.. it almost drove me mad... | 03:48 |
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| yabbas | fer: I found it ok to use as it goes. To be honest - all he does is browse webmail, and play Aislerot. More than enough for him (but what awaste, lol) | 03:49 |
| fer | btw... did you notice anything strange no your n800's from upgrading to 2008os ? | 03:49 |
| yabbas | strange? | 03:50 |
| fer | the battery on mine seems do drain much much faster... | 03:50 |
| yabbas | not here - seems pretty good as it goes | 03:50 |
| fer | it was full yesterday... | 03:50 |
| fer | today in was alrady beeping with low bat... | 03:50 |
| fer | (sorry... ) | 03:50 |
| K`zan | yabbas: Thanks will look into that, ebay prolly has them :-) | 03:51 |
| fer | today it was already beeping with low bat... | 03:51 |
| yabbas | K`zan: the one I have is made by Gamexpert. Virgin/HMV were selling "DS Bundle packs" for £3 with the case, 4 replacement styluses, 2 brilliant screen protectors and cartridge cases. Couldn't go wrong :) | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might be a runaway process, fer. | 03:54 |
| yabbas | Uptime on mine is nearly 19 hours, battery indicator is half-way. It's been used to play internet radio occasionally but mostly idle (some web page use). Got 2 days idle left according to the meter and 1 hour "when in use" | 03:54 |
| K`zan | yabbas: Guess I should find someplace local that sells them, WIDE choices off ebay. | 03:57 |
| yabbas | prolly best | 03:58 |
| yabbas | this was meant for the old-style fat DS - so there's plenty of room to carry it all around | 03:58 |
| K`zan | I think so, also take the n800 along too :). | 03:58 |
| yabbas | I'm planning on making a few replacement usb charging and data transfer dongles soon enough too. Dealextreme have some great things for sale in that respect | 04:00 |
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| K`zan | yabbas: USB charging for the N800 - I thought they wouldn't do that internally?!? | 04:00 |
| yabbas | USB -> 2.5mm dongle. It doesn't do it internally (unless you take it apart and solder directly.) | 04:01 |
| K`zan | I am planning on making up and external pack to recharge once I figure out what the charger puts out. | 04:01 |
| yabbas | It's just 5V | 04:01 |
| K`zan | :-) 4 1.2V cells and a small 5V regulator :). | 04:02 |
| K`zan | errr... | 04:02 |
| K`zan | 6 | 04:02 |
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| yabbas | aye... or..... | 04:02 |
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| yabbas | just get another battery ;) | 04:03 |
| yabbas | ooor.... | 04:03 |
| K`zan | Gonna scrounge around google and see if there is a schematic for a USB charger. | 04:03 |
| yabbas | just get the LD-3W and use the battery inside it when you need to :) | 04:03 |
| K`zan | Unless it is just the USB power bus to a charger plug... | 04:03 |
| yabbas | USB power bus to charger plug is what I have. | 04:03 |
| K`zan | checking | 04:04 |
| K`zan | Ah, OK, got lots of USB stuff floating around. | 04:04 |
| milhouse | anyone know if powered USB hubs provide power to connected devices if the hub is NOT connected to a PC? | 04:04 |
| yabbas | milhouse: most do | 04:04 |
| milhouse | cool, I'm thinking of getting one to charge the PS3 controller as the PS3 only charges when it's switched on :( | 04:05 |
| zerojay | milhouse: I thought it charged while in standby mode too? | 04:05 |
| fer | just installed the maps... | 04:05 |
| milhouse | and i could use it to charge the N8x0 as well since I have a Nokia CA-100 USB adapter thingy (which are sold at rip-off prices btw - £25!!) | 04:05 |
| yabbas | milhouse: checkout dealextreme :) there's a wall socket --> USB plug that gives out 1500ma | 04:05 |
| milhouse | zero: not as far as I can tell | 04:05 |
| yabbas | I bought one myself, only about £2 | 04:06 |
| milhouse | yabbas: i bought the official nokia one, could have bought a third party equivalent for a lot less i'm sure but didn't want to fck anything up... as for the wall socket idea I suspect i'll end up with several usb-powered devices (already have two for the PS3 - the controller and a bluetooth headset for Warhawk which I hope to use with the N8x0 and Skype/SIP/etc.) pluse the N8x0 itself :) | 04:07 |
| milhouse | zero - i looked at buying one of those controller docking stations but all of them have bad reviews precisely because the PS3 has to be on to charge the controllers, making them somewhat redundant... but if they can be powered by a hub then it's game on :) | 04:08 |
| yabbas | milhouse: I only bought it on accounts of it being tiny. Most usb hubs come with massive wallwarts | 04:09 |
| zerojay | milhouse: That's really odd. | 04:09 |
| milhouse | yabbas: that shouldn't be a problem, the wall socket is behind a sofa and won't be going anywhere :) | 04:09 |
| yabbas | you could always plug it into a spare usb port on your pc too. :) most remain on even in standby. | 04:09 |
| milhouse | zerojay: yeah, pretty silly really - maybe a future firmware will fix it. | 04:10 |
| milhouse | zerojay: i haven't actually confirmed this myself so far.. going to do it now back in a few mins | 04:10 |
| zerojay | The firmware updates have been great. | 04:10 |
| zerojay | Almost every possible complaint I had in the past about the PS3's been wiped out. | 04:11 |
| fer | has anyone tried to activate the maps on os2008? | 04:11 |
| fer | or even the trial mode? | 04:11 |
| yabbas | fer: Don't want to yet... If they're logging serial numbers they'll knwo straight away peeps have installed OS2k8 before its time. | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:13 |
| zerojay | You don't think they don't know that? | 04:14 |
| fer | I wonder if I can start trial mode... test it.. and then if I reflash the device again, I'd get another free week trial... | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | They can't possibly have expected people not to download the N810 firmware. | 04:14 |
| zerojay | If they really cared that much, they wouldn't use a MAC address for security. They never would have put the firmware on a publically accessable server. | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | fer, I doubt it. | 04:14 |
| milhouse | zerojay: the PS3 definately does NOT charge while in standby mode | 04:14 |
| yabbas | zerojay: I mean Wayfinder serial numbers :) you can't download the software yet... | 04:14 |
| yabbas | fer: possibly if you change your MAC code ;) | 04:15 |
| fer | ah.. nice though yabbas | 04:15 |
| fer | thought | 04:15 |
| milhouse | fer: yeah i'd imagine they'd log your MAC so you can't use the trial mode more than once on the same device | 04:16 |
| zerojay | Sort of like Rhapsody.. your user name for the trial IS your MAC. | 04:16 |
| fer | did anyone select the trial mode yet? | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | "December", fer. | 04:17 |
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| fer | ok ok... | 04:17 |
| yabbas | Hmmm, if that is the case then a simple ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:0... should leave you open for trialing things over and over again | 04:19 |
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| yabbas | That'd really screw up things for the guy who owns the MAC you've spoofed though :-s | 04:22 |
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| milhouse | Let's hope Thoughtfix has already registered his MAC... :) | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:23 |
| yabbas | lol | 04:24 |
| zerojay | He's giving that one back to Nokia, remember? | 04:25 |
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| milhouse | is he?! | 04:26 |
| milhouse | blimey, that seems a bit of an over reaction | 04:26 |
| zerojay | Like he always said he had to. | 04:26 |
| milhouse | aha | 04:27 |
| milhouse | i thought it was because he'd published his MAC (unintentionally) | 04:27 |
| zerojay | No. | 04:27 |
| zerojay | He said all along that he would have to give it back once they went on sale. | 04:27 |
| milhouse | hardly seems worth it but i guess ethically nokia can't give stuff to bloggers and expect them to remain impartial | 04:28 |
| yabbas | I don;t think that's the reason. | 04:30 |
| yabbas | It's pre-release..prolly has some funky stuff installed :) | 04:30 |
| zerojay | It's just the standard thing. | 04:31 |
| zerojay | Sometimes, they'll just say "keep the thing" in the end. | 04:31 |
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| milhouse | or simply forget to ask for it back :) | 04:32 |
| yabbas | He's had it for 2 or so months though hasn't he? | 04:32 |
| zerojay | 1 month. | 04:32 |
| milhouse | i'm sure the hardware was "done" a while ago and waiting for the software, then marketing to come together. | 04:32 |
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| zerojay | Hardware has to be done first before you can really work on software. | 04:33 |
| milhouse | although in this case the N800 was a usable test bed for much of the firmware | 04:33 |
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| zerojay | Otherwise, you'll find yourself redoing things everytime the hardware guys change something. | 04:33 |
| milhouse | as was proven by the N800 running the RX-44 firmware from months ago :) | 04:33 |
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| yabbas | aye - the N810 is 'simply' an N800 with internal 2gb memory hardwired to menelaus, and a gpio line to the gps and light-detector. | 04:35 |
| milhouse | and a hw keyboard | 04:35 |
| yabbas | +nods+ anpther gpio line/s :) | 04:36 |
| milhouse | 3-colour LED thingy | 04:36 |
| yabbas | from the schematics they had quite a few left over iirc | 04:36 |
| elb | the GPS is on GPIO? | 04:36 |
| milhouse | did anyone ever reveal the hardware "easter egg"? | 04:36 |
| * elb is surprised | 04:36 | |
| yabbas | elb: probably not, no :) | 04:38 |
| elb | oh, that was speculation | 04:38 |
| * yabbas nods | 04:38 | |
| milhouse | would have thought it would be easier to make the GPS "appear" as as some sort of serial device | 04:38 |
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| YHYHIAMHERE | I NEED SOME SERIOUS HELP I AM goin crazy | 04:38 |
| elb | there are a million and one GPS-on-a-chips that speak NMEA over RS232 (or TTL voltage RS232 equivalent) | 04:38 |
| milhouse | Stop shouting first! :) | 04:38 |
| elb | I would assume it was using a serio i/o interface | 04:38 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | sorry just relized | 04:39 |
| yabbas | light-detection definitely was hardwired - who was the guy working on teh code on itt? | 04:39 |
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| elb | though I don't know anything about the processor in the n810, specifically | 04:39 |
| yabbas | it's the same omap | 04:39 |
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| elb | serial, that is | 04:39 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ok got an n770 love the machine just one majour problem is that application manager keep freezing | 04:40 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | i have 2007he installed | 04:40 |
| elb | (which can, of course, be done GPIO, at a huge expense of clock cycles) | 04:40 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | can anyone help | 04:40 |
| milhouse | at what point does it freeze - when refreshing the catalogue? | 04:40 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | yes somtimes at the start of 1kb now it refresd and stopped at the end of 3kb | 04:41 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ive tried look everywere | 04:41 |
| milhouse | have you added any new repositories since it last worked? | 04:41 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | but no joy | 04:41 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | no done a fresh install the same problem i was having was on in2006 thinking that if i upgraded to in2007he it would be sorted well no it wasent | 04:42 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | and i really like the machine | 04:42 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | only got it today | 04:43 |
| Atarii | i had that problem also, the way i fixed it was to reflash and then add the repositories i wanted from http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/ | 04:44 |
| * yabbas still wonders why we can't leverage use of the 3d core in the omap http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6023095418.html | 04:44 | |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ok i no this sounds stupid but good you help me step by step | 04:44 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | i no you probs got better things todo | 04:44 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | but i am stuck (normally ok with things like this) | 04:45 |
| Atarii | just open this page http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/ and click the title of each repository to install | 04:45 |
| Atarii | good luck | 04:46 |
| Atarii | sorry i hav to go | 04:46 |
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| YHYHIAMHERE | and it should work but thats what iam sayign evrytime i download a new repository from maemo.com it stalls at 1kb which i dnt understand | 04:47 |
| milhouse | have you had any problems while browsing? maybe your network connection is the problem (long shot) | 04:47 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | thats what i was thinking but no probs browsing if it was the network connection what do you think it might be (using wireless router) | 04:48 |
| milhouse | try disabling as many existing repositories as possible (you probably won't be able to disable the first two) then add them back until app manager "freezes" | 04:48 |
| milhouse | what router? | 04:48 |
| _Monkey | router is at .1 | 04:48 |
| milhouse | _monkey forget router | 04:49 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot router | 04:49 |
| milhouse | what make/model of router? | 04:49 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | thats what iam saying freezes on the first one which you cant disable but i cant belive nokia has a bum link | 04:49 |
| milhouse | oh believe it | 04:50 |
| milhouse | it's been known to happen | 04:50 |
| yabbas | :) | 04:50 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | true i suppose | 04:50 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | at at the moment it stands as i cant install anything its just keep on freezing mayby it is the network connection but what | 04:51 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | (dlink router) | 04:51 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | do i have to open port or what iam so confused | 04:51 |
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| milhouse | have you tied running "apt-get update" from xterm (as root)? it may (or may not) provide some useful info... | 04:52 |
| milhouse | s/tied/tried/s | 04:52 |
| milhouse | oops | 04:52 |
| pupnik | just timed the n810 boot time from a thoughtfix vid - 29 seconds from power switch to fully loaded home screen | 04:52 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | dnt no how to install xterm with out app manager | 04:53 |
| milhouse | probably about the same as the N800/OS2008 combo, no? mine is a lot quicker than OS2007... | 04:53 |
| milhouse | YHY...: ah, good point | 04:53 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | tried reserching it but cant get my head round it | 04:53 |
| pupnik | YHYHIAMHERE: apt-get install <packagename> | 04:54 |
| milhouse | maybe you can sneak the sshd deb on there and install it from app manager via the "install from file" option then ssh onto the device as root... | 04:54 |
| pupnik | oh | 04:54 |
| yabbas | right, I better go to bed | 04:55 |
| * yabbas yawneth | 04:55 | |
| pupnik | cheers yabbas | 04:55 |
| milhouse | night yabbas | 04:55 |
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| yabbas | nini peeps :) | 04:55 |
| penguinbait | yabbas!! | 04:55 |
| pupnik | two weeks ... | 04:55 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: JUST as I was about to leave :D | 04:55 |
| penguinbait | running 2008os yet | 04:56 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ok i just sneeked the software become root i think its called | 04:56 |
| penguinbait | ? | 04:56 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: great insight into how you do things btw, thanks for the reply :) and yes - I couldn't resist ;) | 04:56 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: where's KDE2k8???? ;) ;) ;) | 04:56 |
| penguinbait | I have 3.5.8 compiled with kdepim and full koffice :) | 04:56 |
| penguinbait | its done | 04:56 |
| penguinbait | ready to test | 04:56 |
| yabbas | huzzah - link me baby | 04:57 |
| penguinbait | I will shoot your itt account | 04:57 |
| yabbas | how's the speed these days with an extra 67Mhz? :D | 04:57 |
| penguinbait | I have to push it up to my webserver might be an hour | 04:57 |
| yabbas | lol | 04:57 |
| yabbas | ok | 04:57 |
| yabbas | staying awake for another hour | 04:57 |
| penguinbait | sound quality improvment | 04:57 |
| K`zan | penguinbait: Way too cool, thank you Sir! /me kde junkie :-). Embedded KDE, I think I have died and gone to heaven :)! | 04:58 |
| K`zan | How much space does it take up? | 04:58 |
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| yabbas | and overall performance? Graphics, etc? | 04:58 |
| penguinbait | not sure, the tarball bziped is 391MB | 04:58 |
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| penguinbait | I have not cleaned out the man pages and includes and html docs | 04:59 |
| K`zan | penguinbait: That should fit on about anything I have card wise. | 04:59 |
| penguinbait | so it will shrink | 04:59 |
| yabbas | Looks like I'll need to install the bootmenu again; remove OS2K7 from the internal card and copy over 2K8 ... gah | 04:59 |
| K`zan | 2207 or 2008? | 04:59 |
| _Monkey | 4063 | 04:59 |
| penguinbait | probably 1.5GB min, 2GB reccomended | 04:59 |
| K`zan | 2007 or 2008... | 05:00 |
| penguinbait | I did the boot menu thing alread also, its working great | 05:00 |
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| yabbas | The new bootmenu wont boot to 2007 will it? | 05:00 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ok i need to get xterm on this thing so i can make some sense thats what i am gathering | 05:00 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | now how do you do that with an application manager that freezes | 05:01 |
| K`zan | No xterm for 2008 yet :-( | 05:01 |
| yabbas | YHYHIAMHERE: yup :) tried downloading the deb and double clicking on it in file-manager? Hopefully the app manager won't try and refresh anything and it'll install ok. | 05:01 |
| yabbas | K`zan: xterm's already there ;) | 05:01 |
| penguinbait | It will boot the 2007 OS but no wlan | 05:02 |
| penguinbait | xterm is built in to 2008 | 05:02 |
| penguinbait | utilities menu | 05:02 |
| penguinbait | scroll down :) | 05:02 |
| K`zan | Ah, I was llooking a bit ago and osso wasn't there. | 05:02 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ok so what version do i need for it2006he edition | 05:02 |
| penguinbait | I coulndt find it either | 05:02 |
| K`zan | Ah, understand. | 05:02 |
| K`zan | will 2008 fit in the n800? | 05:02 |
| penguinbait | yes | 05:02 |
| K`zan | only 128M IIRC. | 05:02 |
| yabbas | right, let's install this bootmenu | 05:03 |
| K`zan | < 24 hours before my n800 arrives :) | 05:03 |
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| milhouse | YHY...: installing xterm is a bit of a bitch, it has so many dependencies (ncurses etc.). your best bet is putting openssh on there and logging in remotely | 05:07 |
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| * elb passes out the free urxvt again | 05:08 | |
| YHYHIAMHERE | thanks you given me a start give me a while see if i get anyware new thanks | 05:10 |
| penguinbait | yabbas ETA 10 minutes | 05:12 |
| yabbas | :) :) | 05:12 |
| yabbas | is dropbear compiled for sk8 yet? | 05:12 |
| yabbas | *2k8 | 05:12 |
| penguinbait | I dont have a .kde yet, so it will start with Kpersonalizer | 05:13 |
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| penguinbait | the kvkbd is in the menu | 05:13 |
| yabbas | that's cool | 05:13 |
| penguinbait | and cellwriter is on the also, | 05:13 |
| milhouse | yabbas: possibly not, but openssh is definately available :) | 05:13 |
| penguinbait | run cellwriter from command line I have no shortcut for it | 05:13 |
| milhouse | oh hang on, what's sk8? | 05:13 |
| milhouse | i guess you're not referring to os2008... | 05:14 |
| yabbas | sk8 is my spackhands doing stuff they shouldn't do when I clearly should be asleep instead of waiting for KDE :D | 05:14 |
| penguinbait | 4 minutes | 05:14 |
| _Monkey | 4 minutes is a little while | 05:14 |
| penguinbait | danm monkies | 05:15 |
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| pupnik | very nice video by reggie on ITT on N810 usage... | 05:15 |
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| yabbas | can't view any of them because ubuntu is being silly with my nforce 2 chipset :( | 05:15 |
| pupnik | yabbas: my nvidia binary wouldn't install here, so i just used xorg's nv driver | 05:16 |
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| yabbas | pupnik: it's the sound I don't get...ATi video's ok, barely | 05:16 |
| lophyte | hey all, is maemo.org typically slow? it seems fine on a PC/laptop but browsing it from my N800 is always horrible... it'll just hang there saying "Connecting" and not go anywhehre | 05:17 |
| lophyte | other sites seem to work fine :\ | 05:17 |
| milhouse | is it just maemo.org that is slow on your n800? | 05:18 |
| lophyte | it seems so... I'm trying to browse the downloads to grab some apps.. | 05:19 |
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| lophyte | for example I search for "kvmp" in the search box, and it just hangs at "Connecting" | 05:19 |
| yabbas | hmmm | 05:19 |
| lophyte | browsing wikipedia is fine though | 05:19 |
| milhouse | if most sites are affected it could be the wireless power saving mode problem - which OS are you running 2007 or 2008? | 05:19 |
| lophyte | 2007 | 05:19 |
| yabbas | I'm getting - "Unable to install (null). Incompatible application package." when trying to add repos from gronmayer through the web browser. | 05:20 |
| milhouse | i think that's been reported on itt recently | 05:20 |
| yabbas | do it manually? | 05:20 |
| milhouse | try searching there | 05:20 |
| lophyte | itt? | 05:20 |
| _Monkey | itt is probably http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 05:20 |
| yabbas | ko | 05:20 |
| penguinbait | its in you inbox :) | 05:20 |
| milhouse | oh hang on sorry getting my conversations mixed up :) | 05:20 |
| milhouse | sorry yabbas | 05:20 |
| yabbas | cheers pb :) | 05:20 |
| penguinbait | let me know how things go | 05:21 |
| yabbas | milhouse: no worries :) | 05:21 |
| lophyte | wait.. its doing it on cnn.com too | 05:21 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: as always :) | 05:21 |
| lophyte | hanging on 'connecting' | 05:21 |
| penguinbait | I just finished it today, I have been running it for about 2 hours | 05:21 |
| milhouse | lophye - check bug 1636 | 05:22 |
| _Monkey | Bug 1636 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 | 05:22 |
| penguinbait | I suggest a swap partition, do you normally use one? | 05:22 |
| yabbas | yup, the full 128mb | 05:22 |
| penguinbait | I have a 128MB partition on mmc0 and I boot from mmc1 | 05:23 |
| yabbas | i have 6gb dedicated to the internal partition | 05:23 |
| milhouse | nice to see that bug is now fixed in os2008 (option to adjust power saving mode in Connections->Advanced) | 05:23 |
| lophyte | I didn't realize os2008 was out.. perhaps I should upgrade to it | 05:23 |
| penguinbait | its not out | 05:23 |
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| lophyte | ah | 05:23 |
| penguinbait | officially | 05:23 |
| milhouse | it kind of sneaked out... | 05:23 |
| corevette | does the 770 still get updates? | 05:23 |
| lophyte | I just got my n800 yesterday, I'm eager to play | 05:23 |
| milhouse | corvette - yes, an update came out earlier this week (OS 2007 HE) | 05:24 |
| milhouse | and another is due before the year is out | 05:24 |
| corevette | milhouse: does 2007 hacked edition work fine? | 05:24 |
| milhouse | i've never had a problem with it | 05:24 |
| corevette | milhouse: how is it different than the real version | 05:24 |
| pupnik | ITT forums broken here for threads including screenshots | 05:25 |
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| pupnik | too wide - right hand side controls get cut off | 05:25 |
| milhouse | well, a major problem that is - it has rought edges here and there but on the whole it's better than OS2006 IMHO | 05:25 |
| penguinbait | for what 100$ for a 770 nowadays, it works plenty good :) | 05:25 |
| milhouse | corvette - how is it different from the real version? you mean how is OS2007 different from OS2006? | 05:25 |
| milhouse | duh hang on, how is OS2007HE diff from OS2007? | 05:26 |
| corevette | milhouse: yes | 05:26 |
| corevette | milhouse: both | 05:26 |
| penguinbait | wasnt HE made so libs would match n800 and software would run? | 05:26 |
| pupnik | 2007HE is for 770, 2007 is for N800 | 05:27 |
| milhouse | corvette: on the whole 2007 and 2007HE are very similar. some low level differences such as the kernel (on the 770, OS2007HE uses the same kernel as OS2006) but in terms of the shipping applications they're the same, and most third party applications will work | 05:27 |
| milhouse | and pupnik just summarised it nicely :) | 05:27 |
| corevette | milhouse: and differences between 2007 and 2006? | 05:28 |
| milhouse | that should have been "and most third party applications written for OS2007 will work on OS2007HE" | 05:28 |
| milhouse | corvette: loads | 05:28 |
| corevette | is there a changelog or something somewhere | 05:28 |
| milhouse | fat chance... | 05:28 |
| lophyte | hm, still seems kinda slow... | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be 30 pages long. | 05:29 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: do you know if the 2K8 tar has the same file path limitation that 2K7 tar had? | 05:29 |
| milhouse | a change log is something that's been promised for at least the last 2 or 3 releases... always "next time" :) | 05:29 |
| penguinbait | not sure I just used the old ones on my website, they are in th PM I sent you | 05:29 |
| yabbas | okies | 05:30 |
| yabbas | if the old ones work I'll use them :) | 05:30 |
| yabbas | milhouse: I think "maemo hackers" is an apt term :) | 05:30 |
| milhouse | the biggest change with OS2007HE (latest build) is that Micro-b (Mozilla browser) is now the default browser, although Opera is still available. | 05:30 |
| corevette | so may a hear some of the differences between os 2007 and 2006? | 05:31 |
| milhouse | (I think it's the default browser, if ot it's certainly available as an alternative out of the box) | 05:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | corevette, OS2007 is faster. | 05:31 |
| corevette | generalantilles: even for the HE ? | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what we're talking about, isn't it? :) | 05:31 |
| corevette | yes | 05:32 |
| milhouse | i forget what os2007 introduced now - so long ago... | 05:32 |
| yabbas | milhouse: default root password under ssh is still rootme? | 05:33 |
| milhouse | os2007 has a nice new theme... | 05:33 |
| penguinbait | crappy flash supprt | 05:33 |
| milhouse | yabbas: yah | 05:33 |
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| corevette | what are negatives? | 05:33 |
| milhouse | penguinbait: os2007he has crappy flash support 'cos it uses the old 2006 version but 2007 on N800 ain't bad | 05:33 |
| milhouse | (flash 9) | 05:34 |
| milhouse | lets put it this way, if i only had a 770 i wouldn't go back to os2006 from os2007he | 05:34 |
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| penguinbait | I never wanted or needed flash on my n800 :) | 05:34 |
| Anastasia | this is K`zan on the dev box... | 05:34 |
| milhouse | it's nice to be their but it's usefulness is sometimes over rated | 05:35 |
| corevette | milhouse: do you know if the team neads any help? | 05:35 |
| milhouse | team? | 05:35 |
| penguinbait | yabbas the root password it still rootme, but I could not get in until I reset it, but I used becomeroot and no RD mode | 05:35 |
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| corevette | milhouse: so hacked edition is still in development? | 05:36 |
| milhouse | there's someone working on it, yes | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hacker Edition* | 05:36 |
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| milhouse | not sure for how much longer, but it's still getting attention and more releases are planned | 05:37 |
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| lophyte | maybe I should try installing 2007he | 05:37 |
| penguinbait | good luck yabbas, | 05:37 |
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| yabbas | penguinbait: cheers - flashed initfs now | 05:38 |
| yabbas | doh | 05:38 |
| yabbas | and he's gone :) | 05:38 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | i cant install xterm is there any other alternatives for in2007he | 05:38 |
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| lophyte | oi, I think I screwed up my IT | 05:39 |
| milhouse | YHY... : openssh... | 05:39 |
| _Monkey | i heard openssh was to big for embbeded devince (just sbz's opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ... | 05:39 |
| lophyte | apt-get always seems to hang at 'waiting for headers' | 05:39 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | cool time to look again | 05:40 |
| corevette | on elast question: what does minimo look like on the tablets and how does it perform | 05:41 |
| milhouse | forget minimo | 05:41 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot minimo | 05:41 |
| milhouse | oops | 05:41 |
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| milhouse | minimo has transmogrified into micro-b | 05:41 |
| corevette | well how is micro-b vs. opera | 05:42 |
| yabbas | has anyone managed to run a usb hard drive on the N series yet? Or was OTG always too unstable? | 05:42 |
| milhouse | crovette: i stopped using opera once micro-b became available | 05:43 |
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| lophyte | micro-b doesn't show up in my menus for some reason | 05:43 |
| lophyte | its installed, strangely enough... | 05:45 |
| Anastasia | Hummm, is there one package for scratchbox or do I just download all the stable stuff and install it one by one? | 05:45 |
| milhouse | you switch between micro-b and opera "engines" in the browser application | 05:46 |
| lophyte | ahh | 05:46 |
| lophyte | thought it was a separate app | 05:46 |
| milhouse | nah, there's only one browser application which can use one of two browser/rendering engines (micro-b or opera, but in theory many more such as webkit etc.) | 05:47 |
| lophyte | nice | 05:47 |
| milhouse | once you've switched engines, close the app and restart it with the new engine | 05:47 |
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| milhouse | you need to remember which engine you're currently using as the engine switch menu option doesn't tell you... :) | 05:47 |
| lophyte | got it :) | 05:48 |
| lophyte | using microb now | 05:48 |
| pupnik | what is OTG yabbas? | 05:48 |
| milhouse | on-the-go | 05:48 |
| lophyte | though the browser change doesn't solve my slowness problem... meh | 05:48 |
| pupnik | what does on-the-go mean? this term was never used in the 90s | 05:48 |
| milhouse | what about the bug i listed? you're on n800 right? | 05:48 |
| elb | sure it was | 05:48 |
| lophyte | yeah, I tried that | 05:49 |
| lophyte | same thing | 05:49 |
| elb | it means "while moving" | 05:49 |
| Anastasia | Is this the version I want: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main | 05:49 |
| lophyte | maybe a firmware upgrade would fix it? | 05:50 |
| milhouse | in terms of USB, the phrase "on the go" was definately not used in the 90s... | 05:50 |
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| milhouse | 'cos it wasn't introduced until Dec 2001 | 05:51 |
| Anastasia | Only scratchbox for 2006 there. | 05:51 |
| milhouse | lophyte: maybe - i'm out of ideas | 05:51 |
| milhouse | apart from... is your wifi network any good? could be interference | 05:51 |
| Anastasia | Hummm and apparently only for maemo3. Something wrong here. | 05:52 |
| lophyte | the AP is about 10 feet away and it works fine on my laptop | 05:52 |
| yabbas | ls: ./tmp-Nokia-N800-39: Input/output error O_O | 05:52 |
| pupnik | then USB "on-the-go" means absolutely nothing | 05:52 |
| pupnik | zero | 05:53 |
| * pupnik waves a usb cable in in the air | 05:53 | |
| Anastasia | Way in over my head here - oh well. | 05:53 |
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| pupnik | Ana | 05:53 |
| pupnik | hrm | 05:53 |
| corevette | is ubuntu-mobile coming to nokia tablets? | 05:54 |
| lophyte | that would be sweet corevette:) | 05:54 |
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| milhouse | pupnik - usb otg allows host capability for devices that have normally only been peripherals so it allows mobile devices to connect to each other over usb hence on-the-go... not sure what you're trying say otherwise... :) | 05:54 |
| pupnik | oh thanks milhouse | 05:54 |
| pupnik | there's a negotiation for who acts as host? | 05:55 |
| milhouse | knock yourself out: http://www.usb.org/developers/onthego/USB_OTG_Intro.pdf | 05:55 |
| milhouse | probably | 05:55 |
| milhouse | answer: yes, they can negotiate when required | 05:56 |
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| yabbas | right... | 05:58 |
| yabbas | The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. ... | 05:58 |
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| yabbas | Trying e2fsck over usb on the partition I want to copy over the OS | 05:58 |
| milhouse | corvette: nothing planned as ubuntu-mobile is currently only targetting x86 | 05:59 |
| yabbas | is this problem (a) simply because we don't have raw access to the shizzle over usb. or (b) because the file system is corrupt? | 05:59 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | cant belive it i got xterm goin | 06:00 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | hahahahahahahahaaha | 06:00 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ok so now iam here | 06:00 |
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| newbie | yabbas, i have had to reset sd cards by removing and replacing an fsck | 06:02 |
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| yabbas | newbie: I've got a single directory here I can't seem to delete. :-/ | 06:02 |
| milhouse | YHY - can you get root? | 06:03 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: wb. It's the .kde directory | 06:03 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | dunno trying no what the best possable way | 06:03 |
| milhouse | a) install becomeroot package b) enable R&D mode (requires Linux/OSX flasher) | 06:04 |
| penguinbait | why not do it on the tablet | 06:04 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ok tell me the tablet way | 06:04 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: /home/user/.kde ... can't cd into it, permission denied. Can't delete it - permission denied. chown: changing ownership of `.kde': Operation not permitted | 06:04 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | lets see if i can do this | 06:04 |
| penguinbait | if you install becomeroot why do you need r&d mode | 06:06 |
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| milhouse | penguinbait: that should have been a) or b) :) | 06:06 |
| penguinbait | fsck | 06:06 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | ok become root is installed | 06:07 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | just typed comman sudo gainroot | 06:07 |
| penguinbait | yabbas did you run fsck from tablet | 06:07 |
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| penguinbait | sorry i am pecking on kvkbd ;) | 06:08 |
| yabbas | lol | 06:08 |
| yabbas | don't have fsck here :( | 06:08 |
| disq | any idea why @dbus.service.method wouldn't like my method? (can't call it with dbus-send) | 06:08 |
| yabbas | fsck.msdos and fsck.vfat are present. But no ext2 :( | 06:09 |
| milhouse | have you installed e2fsprogs? | 06:09 |
| yabbas | nope - does the old repo work under chinook? I'm prolly being overly cautious not installing anything from bora. | 06:10 |
| milhouse | add... | 06:10 |
| yabbas | hehehe | 06:10 |
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| milhouse | http://repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free | 06:10 |
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| yabbas | done | 06:12 |
| yabbas | cheers :) | 06:12 |
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| yabbas | wb penguinbait | 06:13 |
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| YHYHIAMHERE | so no what am i using apt-get for | 06:15 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | to check for what | 06:15 |
| milhouse | try running: apt-get update | 06:17 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | its doing somthing i think its stopping on one | 06:18 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | i think it froze on one | 06:19 |
| corevette | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Caturfox.jpg | 06:19 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | error could not creat a socket | 06:20 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | *creat | 06:20 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | its freezing on some of them | 06:23 |
| pupnik | ok that is a good picture | 06:24 |
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| YHYHIAMHERE | so what does not create socket it that a problem with the router | 06:28 |
| milhouse | or the remote site | 06:29 |
| milhouse | or a proxy in between | 06:29 |
| milhouse | or the overall end to end connection | 06:29 |
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| YHYHIAMHERE | so whats the best way around the problem because as it stands having reall problems with software | 06:30 |
| pupnik | hi i would like to help | 06:31 |
| pupnik | but milhouse is right | 06:31 |
| pupnik | 'there is a connection problem' | 06:31 |
| milhouse | YHY - is this a 770 or N800? | 06:31 |
| milhouse | (i lost track) | 06:32 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | 770 with in2007he | 06:32 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | i was having the same probs with in2006 | 06:32 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | so i upgraded | 06:32 |
| milhouse | and general browsing is OK? | 06:32 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | fine | 06:32 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | it must be a router problem | 06:33 |
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| Igg-man | does the gtalk video chat work on desktop clients? | 06:34 |
| milhouse | i just ran apt-get update here on my 770/os2007he without any problems | 06:34 |
| Igg-man | or anywhere at all? | 06:34 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | so it could be a router problem then | 06:35 |
| milhouse | does sound like it | 06:35 |
| milhouse | but then i'd expect you to have general browser problems too if that were the case | 06:35 |
| milhouse | are you using a proxy? | 06:36 |
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| YHYHIAMHERE | nope i dnt think so | 06:36 |
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| YHYHIAMHERE | this is hurtin my head hahahahah | 06:42 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | all i wanna do is install some software hahahahah | 06:42 |
| milhouse | try rebooting your access point :) | 06:42 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | cool be bk | 06:43 |
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| milhouse | (quick everybody scarper) | 06:43 |
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| YHYHIAMHERE | i got a weird feeling it just dosent agree with my router | 06:52 |
| * yabbas lols | 06:52 | |
| YHYHIAMHERE | somtimes it goes through and most of the time it hangs | 06:52 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | at 1kb | 06:52 |
| yabbas | well...os is copied across now. In 2 hours time kde will have downloaded and so on | 06:53 |
| * yabbas gets to bed | 06:53 | |
| yabbas | nini peeps :) [really this time!] | 06:53 |
| YHYHIAMHERE | cool see ya | 06:53 |
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| * |R wish he could get video chat completely working like this vid (only half works their but whatever ;) http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/301.ogg | 07:44 | |
| |R | there | 07:44 |
| YHYHIAMNOT | thanks guys tomorrow i will probs be on again | 07:44 |
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| pupnik_ | very cool stuff with koffice, penguinbait | 07:44 |
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| pupnik | |R: they video chat only with other nokias, or with desktop pcs too? | 07:45 |
| |R | desktop pc | 07:45 |
| |R | just installed ubuntu on a new laptop with a cam for a friend and was wondering (again) if i could test it ... | 07:46 |
| * Robot101 has had trouble getting it working since then too | 07:46 | |
| |R | oh! Robert | 07:47 |
| |R | haha i just did a whois and figured it was you in the talk ;) | 07:47 |
| Robot101 | apparently the new versions of gstreamer since then have made life very hard for the farsight guys to make one build that actually works on the different versions :/ | 07:47 |
| |R | Well, then, i guess that if you can't get it working, i won't try ;) | 07:47 |
| Robot101 | empathy has some code for it but it's very ropey, and more often than not farsight fails somehow too :/ | 07:48 |
| |R | :( | 07:48 |
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| Robot101 | some progress is being made though, I think farsight works with gst 0.10.14 again | 07:49 |
| |R | Has it improved in 2008 OS ? | 07:49 |
| Robot101 | and I've been working (still) on the stream engine library | 07:49 |
| Robot101 | in OS 2008 most of the improvement is in adding support for SIP, but also fixing some video codec negotiation stuff so the PC will be able to talk to the N800 bidirectionally | 07:50 |
| Robot101 | we got our H263+ and H263 confused (along with the rest of everyone else :D) | 07:50 |
| |R | ok, i'm really hoping this will be fixed before next year, i want to video chat with my gf while i'll be travelling haha ;) | 07:50 |
| |R | hehe :) | 07:51 |
| |R | Are you waiting for the n810 too? (discount?) | 07:51 |
| pupnik | do discount people get them early? i thought not | 07:51 |
| * Robot101 is decidedly not eligible for a discount :) | 07:51 | |
| |R | oh? nokia involvment? :) | 07:52 |
| |R | pupnik : i don't think so | 07:52 |
| |R | but i wish ;) | 07:52 |
| pupnik | am so crazy wanting one now it's not even funny | 07:52 |
| Robot101 | yes, telepathy is largely developed by us with nokia's support | 07:52 |
| Robot101 | for the tablet OS | 07:52 |
| |R | haha yeah, and i ordered a bt GPS days before i got news about it... oh well it'll be perfect to test GPS + mesh things.. | 07:53 |
| |R | Robot101 : hehe ok, though i looked through the 500 winners and 3-4 were nokia related and still got it, go figure :) | 07:53 |
| pupnik | finally i'll be able to test performance on omap2420 | 07:53 |
| Robot101 | been looking forward to the N810 coming out since I saw one, the prototypes we had were lame though | 07:53 |
| |R | why lame? | 07:54 |
| Robot101 | not in the real case, just a plastic shell with the keyboard fixed in place | 07:54 |
| Robot101 | so bigger than the N800 significantly, and no slidey enjoyment at all :) | 07:54 |
| |R | haha ok :) | 07:54 |
| |R | kind of like "my first sony" but.... my first n810 ;) | 07:55 |
| Robot101 | will definitely buy one when they come out, the N810 seems a lot more neat to me than the N800 | 07:55 |
| pupnik | the videos and pics reggie and dan are doing are great promotional work. | 07:55 |
| |R | I just wished they had at least kept 1 full SD | 07:55 |
| Robot101 | just below some kind of mental threshold of "oh thats a bit big" and "ah I can fit that in my pocket" | 07:55 |
| pupnik | agree Robot101 | 07:55 |
| |R | yeah, so it seems... | 07:55 |
| pupnik | also thickness is a win | 07:55 |
| Robot101 | satisfying slide/click, like the E65 | 07:56 |
| Robot101 | and no odd camera bulge | 07:56 |
| * |R hopes the SIP clients now support md5secret= in asterisk unlike the 0.2 release beta... | 07:56 | |
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| pupnik | besides, i'm not a teenage jeans wearing girl. I'm an overweight geek with baggy pants, so i can pocket real things. Like beers. | 07:56 |
| |R | haha | 07:57 |
| Robot101 | |R: did you file a bug? go to bugs.freedesktop.org and file a bug on telepathy-sofiasip to support it | 07:57 |
| * |R is going to do that right :) | 07:57 | |
| |R | it's not a lot more security, but at least you have to crack and md5 to get a login if you sniffed my SIP... | 07:58 |
| |R | (from what i understand, probably just a simple challenge) | 07:58 |
| Robot101 | I thought SIP usually used digest authentication anyway? | 07:58 |
| |R | Not too sure... i'd have to check | 07:58 |
| |R | but every other phone/ata/softphone work with md5secret but the sofia-sip... | 07:59 |
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| Robot101 | I'm sure sofiasip supports it, it's the most awesomest sip stack ever | 08:00 |
| Robot101 | its just tp-sofiasip doesn't turn the right knob :) | 08:00 |
| Robot101 | there are plenty to choose from | 08:00 |
| |R | uhm, is sofia-sip supposed to be in the list? :) | 08:00 |
| Robot101 | argh | 08:01 |
| |R | :| | 08:02 |
| Robot101 | gah f**8 Nokia it's on sf.net I think | 08:02 |
| Robot101 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/tp-sofiasip | 08:03 |
| Robot101 | sorry apparently freedesktop.org doesn't have enough banner adverts or something :D | 08:03 |
| * |R lost in all this framework (/me -> network guy, not video guy ;) | 08:03 | |
| |R | haha :) | 08:04 |
| pupnik | My only interesting communications are in forums, email and irc | 08:05 |
| pupnik | If someone calls me, it's usually someone i don't* want to talk-to | 08:05 |
| * |R hates phones actually, but still has a cell and VoIP... go figure, i wish everyone was on irc ;) | 08:06 | |
| |R | freenode should switch to silc :P | 08:06 |
| Robot101 | heh, silc. | 08:06 |
| Robot101 | I mean, ohhh yes awesome. :) | 08:06 |
| lopz | bye :) | 08:09 |
| |R | now that we have UTF-8 on irc, who needs fun for rich conversations! ;) | 08:10 |
| |R | s/fun/phone/ | 08:10 |
| infobot | |R meant: now that we have UTF-8 on irc, who needs phone for rich conversations! ;) | 08:10 |
| |R | (yes i'm tired and thinking phonetically ;) | 08:10 |
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| kupesoft | No pand on it2008, wtf ;( | 08:47 |
| kupesoft | os2008 | 08:48 |
| _Monkey | os2008 is really fast | 08:48 |
| corevette | do you think they'll make an OS2008 HE? | 08:48 |
| kupesoft | Yeah, but it doesn't have bluetooth ip tunneling! | 08:48 |
| kulve | corevette: yes | 08:50 |
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| corevette | kulve: do you think it'll support 770? | 08:50 |
| kulve | HE is only for 770.. | 08:50 |
| corevette | ah | 08:50 |
| kulve | the os2008 comes officially for n800, so no need for HE | 08:50 |
| |R | so i guess we'll have to package pand? | 08:51 |
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| corevette | kulve: i have a 770 though | 08:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, so no need for HE for the N800* | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | erm | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | corevette | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should learn to read | 09:06 |
| ol_schoola | HE exists because 770 was never sposed to get os2007. Nokia capitulated, and released 2007HE for the 770 users | 09:07 |
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| ol_schoola | HE ends with the 770 | 09:07 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: i think i'll wait for 8GB cards to come down to under 50 euro | 09:32 |
| pupnik | how much space is free on the 2GB shipped with the N810? | 09:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably under 300MB | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though that may not hold for the Euro devices. | 09:33 |
| pupnik | glerb | 09:33 |
| pupnik | i was trying to get one of the snes emu authors to get excited over the lowered N800 price today | 09:34 |
| pupnik | he pretty much told me to get lost :| | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | watanass | 09:35 |
| pupnik | well he did release source | 09:36 |
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| |R | /clear | 09:38 |
| |R | argh! | 09:38 |
| |R | :) | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think that N900 thread might just be wacko enough for me to post a demand for S/NES/Gameboy SoCs in the next device. | 09:38 |
| |R | and a d-pad? | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | _Three_ d-pads | 09:39 |
| czr | I'm sure if you post it as a demand, you chances of success are greater :-) | 09:39 |
| czr | hell, go for five! | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you can play all platforms at the same time! | 09:39 |
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| |R | :D | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | "IF i dont get these SoCs ... . i'm buying an Iphone!1" | 09:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "nokia sux apple balls!" | 09:40 |
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| |R | ok than i want an accelerometer/temp/baro/compass/geiger sensors :P | 09:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | OH, and SHORTWAVE | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | WTF was with that? :\ | 09:41 |
| |R | haha | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | How is a thermometer EVER going to be useful in a handheld device. | 09:41 |
| * czr seconds the geiger one | 09:41 | |
| |R | GeneralAntilles : i've got plans ;) | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give me an excuse to fly out to Chernobyl. | 09:42 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, it tells you and your friends, just exactly how exited you are and at which location. | 09:42 |
| |R | mesh + sensors + graphing | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 09:42 |
| czr | you don't need excuses to do that. everyone knows that chernobyl rocks. | 09:42 |
| |R | haha, yeah, red trees! | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was picturing a housewife slapping an N800 on little Timmy's head to check for fever. | 09:42 |
| |R | :P | 09:42 |
| czr | well, you know what is the most reliable place to measure temp from on the human body | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ANAAAAL! | 09:43 |
| |R | hold the n800 under your tongue..no don't move... what? you can't breath? oh.. must be worth than thought ;) | 09:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds . . . uncomfortable. | 09:43 |
| czr | you'll learn to appreciate it | 09:43 |
| |R | now with sliding keyboard fun! | 09:43 |
| czr | besides, if it has 5 d-pads, it can't be all evil, righ? | 09:43 |
| |R | why do i keep finding mentions of 10gb miniSD cards but no cards... | 09:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:45 |
| czr | they're so small that people keep losing them | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2GB + 8GB = 10GB? | 09:45 |
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| czr | no, 6 + 4 dummy! | 09:45 |
| |R | 5+5! duh! | 09:45 |
| |R | haha | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | (I was thinking N810's internal :P) | 09:45 |
| |R | hehe we all do, but we also all try not to until it's in the mail ;) | 09:45 |
| vegai | About N810... are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? | 09:46 |
| |R | haha | 09:46 |
| |R | *plop*... are we there yet? | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish the OMAP34xxs had come with the N810 :( | 09:46 |
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| |R | yeah, and a BFG too | 09:46 |
| * |R wonders if microSD will get bigger any time soon... | 09:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it'd be SD | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we'd be back where we started. :P | 09:47 |
| |R | haha i mean density ;) | 09:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Heavier, too? ;) | 09:47 |
| |R | more bits per square miles or something ;) | 09:47 |
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| |R | http://www.waleg.com/techgadgets/archives/009662.html | 09:49 |
| |R | "There’s also ample storage in this powerful and convenient device with built in 2GB memory and an optional 10GB microSD slot." | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Obviously wrong | 09:50 |
| |R | indeed... | 09:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tech reporting is unbelievably bad | 09:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes you wonder about real reporting. | 09:50 |
| |R | same... | 09:50 |
| |R | hehe | 09:50 |
| czr | |R, you don't understand do you. the 10 GiB _slot_ is optional! | 09:51 |
| czr | so you have to purchase the slot separately.. | 09:51 |
| |R | haha | 09:51 |
| |R | that's like removing a hole in my pants by cutting around the hole right? :P | 09:52 |
| czr | (I bet it's an external usb card reader for which you need to change the usb port into host mode first) | 09:52 |
| czr | |R, I'm not expert in holes in your pants! | 09:52 |
| |R | haha, good thing, i guess ... ... how about we change subject? :P | 09:52 |
| czr | you can talk about how much something sucks | 09:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about how much my vacuum cleaner doesn't? | 09:53 |
| unique311 | http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-dimension-c521-desktop/4505-3118_7-32069566.html 5.5 out of 10 is pretty low | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then don't buy it. | 09:54 |
| unique311 | got it for free. | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:54 |
| unique311 | lol | 09:54 |
| unique311 | good cpu | 09:54 |
| unique311 | good buddy works at dell, so when he upgrades. Im a happy friend. | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a bad deal. ;) | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, seriously, who gets rid of their old computers? | 09:56 |
| |R | china! | 09:57 |
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| * GeneralAntilles goes to install OS X 10.5.1 | 09:57 | |
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| unique311 | especially 1 year old computers | 09:57 |
| |R | screens too? | 09:57 |
| unique311 | just got the desktop. | 09:58 |
| |R | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5250 @ 1.50GHz | 09:58 |
| |R | cpu MHz : 1000.000 | 09:58 |
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| |R | wtf... the laptop is pluged in... | 09:58 |
| unique311 | and in the box | 09:58 |
| unique311 | athlon 64 x2 | 09:58 |
| unique311 | dual core | 09:58 |
| unique311 | AMD* | 09:59 |
| |R | :) | 09:59 |
| unique311 | dells first go at amd | 09:59 |
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| |R | so now that people are running 2008 on n800s, it's confirmed that we get a 400mhz boost? | 10:06 |
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| khertan | yes | 10:06 |
| czr | khertan, how can you see the cpu speed btw? | 10:07 |
| |R | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 10:07 |
| |R | dmesg | 10:07 |
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| czr | |R, proc/cpuinfo yields nothing | 10:07 |
| |R | uhm well bogomips | 10:08 |
| czr | no. they're very low | 10:08 |
| |R | ? | 10:08 |
| czr | bogomips never indicates the max freq | 10:08 |
| czr | on any arch with dynamic clocks | 10:08 |
| timelyx | nice to hear people still don't trust nokia engineers | 10:08 |
| czr | I don't trust anyone by default, it's nothing personal. | 10:09 |
| |R | timelyx : why? :) | 10:09 |
| unique311 | dont trust companies. | 10:09 |
| czr | timelyx, was just wondering where one could see the speed since I've failed to find any indication of it so far (and I looked far before the whole speed bump thingy came into fruiting). just wondering. | 10:10 |
| czr | since /proc/cpuinfo doesn't reflect it on arm | 10:10 |
| unique311 | try running the proc as root | 10:10 |
| unique311 | sudo gain | 10:10 |
| unique311 | root | 10:10 |
| |R | let's port john the ripper, and run john -test before and after ;) | 10:11 |
| unique311 | then run cat /proc/cpuinfo | 10:11 |
| czr | unique311, that shouldn't affect anything :-) | 10:11 |
| |R | indeed... | 10:11 |
| timelyx | |R: </sarcasm> | 10:11 |
| pupnik | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2404964835345289580 good torture test of transflective screen with daylight - thx thoughtfix | 10:11 |
| timelyx | if you don't trust us, why should we bother talking to you? | 10:11 |
| czr | unique311, nope. | 10:11 |
| unique311 | us | 10:11 |
| khertan | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq | 10:12 |
| unique311 | nokia personel on deck | 10:12 |
| czr | khertan, thanks | 10:12 |
| |R | where did i say i was not trusting you/them anyway? :P | 10:12 |
| czr | maybe he referred to me :-) | 10:12 |
| czr | khertan, didn't realize cpufreq was universal (not bound to x86). good to know | 10:12 |
| |R | khertan: nothing under cpu0 folder | 10:12 |
| khertan | try to read a music with the nokia media player | 10:13 |
| khertan | and you ll see that scaling max will down to 330 | 10:13 |
| khertan | each time you play music | 10:13 |
| czr | heh | 10:14 |
| khertan | i think it s something related to the dsp | 10:14 |
| khertan | khertan: nothing under cpu0 folder ? under os2007 ? | 10:14 |
| |R | yep 2007 | 10:15 |
| khertan | |R: normal :) | 10:15 |
| |R | oh | 10:15 |
| khertan | since os2008 proc frequency is dynamic | 10:15 |
| czr | also dyntick <3 | 10:16 |
| |R | oh cool, so that's the battery improvement? | 10:16 |
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| czr | |R, it's a good start | 10:16 |
| khertan | yes a really good start | 10:16 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget czr | 10:16 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot czr | 10:16 |
| timelyx | _Monkey czr is <reply> | 10:16 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 10:16 |
| khertan | poor bot :) | 10:17 |
| czr | timelyx btw, you know who admins monkey? | 10:17 |
| czr | or anyone. | 10:17 |
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| khertan | _Monkey timelyx is °o°O | 10:17 |
| _Monkey | ...but timelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback... | 10:17 |
| khertan | lol | 10:17 |
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| khertan | maemo | 10:18 |
| khertan | oups ww | 10:18 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget which one | 10:18 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot which one | 10:18 |
| timelyx | _Monkey which one is <reply> | 10:18 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 10:18 |
| |R | ok, time for bed... cya (hoping tomorrow is magical shipping day ;) | 10:18 |
| khertan | lol | 10:18 |
| khertan | it s today for me | 10:19 |
| |R | oh? | 10:19 |
| khertan | it s wednesday :) | 10:19 |
| khertan | no no n810 yet | 10:19 |
| khertan | i hope | 10:19 |
| khertan | as i am gmt+1 and finland are gmt+2 | 10:19 |
| khertan | it s friday | 10:19 |
| khertan | lol | 10:19 |
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| timelyx | tko/czr: personally my favorite complaint about the clock applet is that you can't ... | 10:20 |
| timelyx | use the map to set the current time, only some stupid "other" | 10:20 |
| khertan | i don't get to work since wednesday ... so i m little lost :) | 10:20 |
| |R | didn't work in too long for my own good... | 10:20 |
| czr | timelyx, ah yes, forgot about that too. so used to select the timezone from a map that almost forgot about it :-) | 10:20 |
| |R | anyway, i'm off...! | 10:21 |
| L0cutus | how about battery duration on n800+OS2008 ? | 10:21 |
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| khertan | hum ... i ve understand why 333Mhz when audio listening ... | 10:21 |
| khertan | when cpu run at 333 Mhz , DSP run at 200Mhz | 10:22 |
| khertan | but when cpu run at 400 Mhz, DSP run at 133 Mhz | 10:22 |
| czr | khertan, can you see the dsp clock somewhere as well? | 10:22 |
| L0cutus | on mine seems it lasts less a bit... | 10:22 |
| khertan | not see it on device but from technicals specs | 10:23 |
| czr | khertan, ok. | 10:23 |
| khertan | https://s3.amazonaws.com/ppt-download/power-management-for-the-nokia-internet-tablets565.pdf | 10:24 |
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| timelyx | milhouse: if cnn is playing a radio/movie stream, and you minimize it, what should it do | 10:28 |
| timelyx | should it pause the stream just because the window isn't on the top? | 10:28 |
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| timelyx | milhouse: fwiw, there are other things that have a much bigger impact on ajax perf | 10:30 |
| timelyx | DOM, CAPS and XPCONNECT | 10:31 |
| timelyx | read something about optimization and you'll find out why optimizing spidermonkey... | 10:31 |
| timelyx | could be pointless | 10:31 |
| timelyx | yabbasleep: you don't want the width to change when minimized, doing so risks resizes | 10:33 |
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| timelyx | zerojay++, re game devices must have at least nintendo inputs | 10:37 |
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| timelyx | yabbasleep: fwiw, 770/n8x0 are basically recycling nokia ordered parts | 10:44 |
| timelyx | which means if they're using mini sd, you can assume that's what nokia ordered in vol. | 10:44 |
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| khertan | recycling nokia ordered parts ? | 10:46 |
| khertan | omap ? | 10:47 |
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| kulve | http://www.nokia-tuning.net/index.php?s=processor | 10:48 |
| kulve | i.e. Nokia is using the omap cpu quite a lot | 10:49 |
| pupnik | nokia? | 10:49 |
| _Monkey | nokia is a company. It also sponsors maemo using sales of N800s. Buy one. Buy two! | 10:49 |
| pupnik | hha | 10:49 |
| pupnik | i bought one. will buy another asap | 10:50 |
| kulve | same here ;) | 10:50 |
| l7 | buy some nokia mmc cards too! | 10:51 |
| pupnik | well i think i have now seen every N810 video and picture gallery | 10:51 |
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| pupnik | and the only thing that looks dodgy is the dpad | 10:52 |
| l7 | what the best n810 video? | 10:53 |
| pupnik | reggies videos on itt | 10:53 |
| mk8 | Hi to all ... :) | 10:53 |
| pupnik | hi | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:53 |
| pupnik | greets Jaffa | 10:54 |
| pupnik | it's a little bit surprising that java phoneme with gui hasn't been done yet | 10:55 |
| pupnik | but not many people are screaming for it | 10:56 |
| timelyx | pupnik: the maps vary w/ region, the usa maps are much bigger... | 10:56 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 10:57 |
| l7 | yeah reggies's video was good | 10:57 |
| pupnik | was thinking of putting-off a mini/microsd purchase, but then again 2GB cards are real cheap | 10:57 |
| inz | pupnik, the n810 dpad makes playing maemo blocks harder | 10:57 |
| pupnik | inz - yeah i only see a couple of millimeters space for the up-motion | 10:58 |
| pupnik | i will look into putting directional controls on awdx keys | 10:58 |
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| timelyx | the owner of _Monkey gets repeated mentions in the channel log. but my memory sucks | 10:58 |
| czr | timelyx :-) | 10:59 |
| unique311 | http://www.thinkgos.com/ old news? | 10:59 |
| czr | I guess the biggest complaint keeps repeating as well, but nothing really happens :-) | 10:59 |
| timelyx | _Monkey nokia =~ s/800/800s and n810/ | 10:59 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx | 10:59 |
| l7 | unique311: news to me - very nice! | 11:00 |
| unique311 | 200 dollar google puters | 11:00 |
| l7 | it's a little deceptive, makes you think google is behind it | 11:00 |
| unique311 | soon at wallmart | 11:00 |
| timelyx | anyway, good morning finland | 11:00 |
| l7 | unique311: heh | 11:00 |
| * timelyx cries | 11:00 | |
| l7 | there's already a linux box for sale at walmart | 11:00 |
| czr | timelyx, it's no longer morning here :-) | 11:00 |
| l7 | i forgot what linux it runs | 11:01 |
| timelyx | what part of finland isn't morning? | 11:01 |
| timelyx | my clock says 11.01am | 11:01 |
| czr | timelyx, that's not morning in finland :-) | 11:01 |
| czr | morning might last up to 9-10ish | 11:01 |
| jumpula | before noon, it's morning :) | 11:01 |
| czr | aamupaiva! | 11:01 |
| czr | damn it. | 11:02 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it damn it is installing gnome :-( | 11:02 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget damn it | 11:02 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot damn it | 11:02 |
| timelyx | _Monkey damn it is <reply> | 11:02 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 11:02 |
| l7 | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/12/2235200&from=rss | 11:02 |
| czr | timelyx, all your problems would go away if monkey'd only answer to directed questions :-) | 11:02 |
| timelyx | czr: it should be in "address = required" mode | 11:03 |
| timelyx | l7: that's old news, no? | 11:03 |
| czr | timelyx, guess so. | 11:03 |
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| l7 | timelyx: i'm surprised they're all sold out | 11:04 |
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| timelyx | l7: *shrug* it was mentioned in mozilla context at the beginning of the week | 11:04 |
| l7 | i was tempted to get one for a fileserver | 11:04 |
| unique311 | prefer to build my computer | 11:04 |
| l7 | $200 bucks though | 11:05 |
| l7 | linux shall soon conquer the world | 11:05 |
| ntrs_ | Hi all. I am having a problem with my n800. I cannot connect with ssh from my n800 to another server. I have openssh client and server installed. Once I execute ssh <servername> the app just hangs and I have to stop xterm. | 11:05 |
| timelyx | are you connected to a network? | 11:05 |
| timelyx | oh great | 11:06 |
| timelyx | i can't mount disk images | 11:06 |
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| ntrs_ | yes I am connected to a network | 11:06 |
| * timelyx supposes the on disk kernel changed | 11:06 | |
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| timelyx | (which means i can't use any loadable kernel modules since they won't match my running kernel) | 11:06 |
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| tsavola | no tail anymore | 11:07 |
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| jumpula | only head | 11:08 |
| ntrs_ | it appears that there is some problem with the terminal. | 11:08 |
| ntrs_ | or the TERM setting. | 11:09 |
| timelyx | you could try: ssh server xclock :) | 11:09 |
| czr | tsavola, disappointing. now I cannot pun you with ++ anymore. | 11:10 |
| tsavola | it didn't work anyway | 11:10 |
| czr | true. | 11:10 |
| timelyx | ? | 11:10 |
| czr | it had potential though. | 11:10 |
| ntrs_ | timeless, hangs | 11:10 |
| tsavola | ignorance beats puns | 11:10 |
| czr | beating is overrated anyway :-) | 11:11 |
| ntrs_ | timelyx, nop[e, just hangs | 11:11 |
| ntrs_ | ctrl-c exits however | 11:11 |
| timelyx | Jaffa / zerojay, fwiw if you're at an https site, you can tell microb from opera | 11:12 |
| timelyx | the lock icon in opera is a button in microb :) | 11:12 |
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| * timelyx believes that's documented somewhere in the changelog | 11:12 | |
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| timelyx | wow | 11:29 |
| * timelyx loves gmail ui | 11:29 | |
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| inz | but they broke it | 11:30 |
| inz | Previously you could "double click" to remove all visible spams | 11:30 |
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| inz | oh, nevermind, it seems to be working again | 11:32 |
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| czr | "double-click to cause a small country in the pasific to explode" | 11:34 |
| czr | pacific even | 11:35 |
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| maddler | morning all... | 11:43 |
| L0cutus | ciao maddler :) | 11:44 |
| maddler | L0cutus: oila`! :D | 11:44 |
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| rothiel | Hi guys :) | 11:47 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:55 |
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| acydlord | my eyeballs hurt | 12:01 |
| sxpert-work | acydlord: what were you given to watch ? | 12:02 |
| acydlord | been looking through code for the past few hours | 12:02 |
| tsavola | the code is translucent? | 12:02 |
| acydlord | might as well be | 12:04 |
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| acydlord | i need to theme my editor so it's a little easier on the eyes | 12:04 |
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| czr | tsavola, the code moves around | 12:13 |
| florian | good morning | 12:13 |
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| latzko | hi | 12:33 |
| _Monkey | hello, latzko | 12:33 |
| latzko | I like to use python distutils but I cannot find it in 3.x SDK. Can you help me, please? | 12:34 |
| latzko | got it! sorry | 12:41 |
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| ol_schoola | i'm stumped. can't seem to get wget onto my newly flashed 800 | 13:23 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 13:27 |
| ol_schoola | hi | 13:27 |
| _Monkey | what's up, ol_schoola | 13:27 |
| ol_schoola | hey _Monkey | 13:27 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | 13:27 |
| ol_schoola | flashed my 800 with 2008, moving on to booting from SD, can't get wget installed for the life of me | 13:28 |
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| ol_schoola | never mind. i was being too lazy. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=94828&postcount=13 | 13:31 |
| juh0 | btw why http://repository.maemo.org was not there by default | 13:33 |
| juh0 | weird | 13:34 |
| X-Fade_ | juh0: That is because you are not supposed to use it on the device.. | 13:34 |
| ol_schoola | ...as shipped from Nokia ;) | 13:35 |
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| jjo | repository.maemo.org is ment to be used with the sdk and _can_ have packages that will not work on the device or require some work in order to work on the device | 13:44 |
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| jjo | I doubt Nokia want's the devices to ship with a repository that can break the device enabled by default | 13:44 |
| kaltsi | I'm in yoor repository breaking yoor device | 13:45 |
| kaltsi | oops.. post lunch insanity | 13:45 |
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| timeless | hey | 13:49 |
| timeless | what is "ICD" | 13:49 |
| timeless | specifically, is it Connection or Connectivity? | 13:50 |
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| Lateralus | timeless: "Maemo Connectivity Daemon" | 13:55 |
| inz | timeless, dpkg -l osso-ic: "Internet Connectivity Daemon" | 14:00 |
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| Thanatermesis | the browser not seems to support google services, i can't click in some things, how i update the version of opera ? | 14:02 |
| zerojay | Opera is dead. | 14:03 |
| Thanatermesis | what i can use instead ? | 14:03 |
| astro76 | Thanatermesis, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 14:03 |
| zerojay | Microb. | 14:03 |
| _Monkey | i think microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) | 14:03 |
| Thanatermesis | mmh | 14:04 |
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| Thanatermesis | when i try to upgrade, it try to install bsdutils, but the upgrade are broken because there's a file that conflicts with busybox, and busybox is not possible to remove, of course | 14:12 |
| kaltsi | Thanatermesis: you must not try to upgrade | 14:13 |
| Thanatermesis | why not ? | 14:13 |
| kaltsi | the sdk repository is not meant for upgrading | 14:14 |
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| Thanatermesis | ok | 14:15 |
| Thanatermesis | what is mamona exactly ? | 14:17 |
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| Thanatermesis | is mamona ready to use ? | 14:19 |
| czr | mamona is free (as freedom) replacement linux distro for the internet tablets | 14:20 |
| czr | it is not ready to use | 14:20 |
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| Thanatermesis | im searching e17 for the n800 of my GF, is there any repository or something ? | 14:21 |
| vegai | Opera is dead? | 14:22 |
| suihkulokki | It's now a phantom | 14:22 |
| vegai | oh dear, maemo is going to use Gecko? | 14:22 |
| vegai | what happened to webkit? | 14:22 |
| kulve | dunno about webkit, but yes, gecko is the base for microb | 14:24 |
| vegai | and that's the future? | 14:24 |
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| * flip^ peers back into the maemo world.... iirc, OS2008 should be manifesting soon... anyone care to remind/re-educate me on when it's expected? | 14:25 | |
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| acydlord | n810 version is out now, can be put on the n800 fairly easily | 14:27 |
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| Jaffa | It's out now for N810 owners (i.e. prototypes, early shipments to people); what acydlord said | 14:27 |
| acydlord | but the official for the n800 is due out in december | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | "Mid-November" for the N810 h/w release and the N800,... what acydlord said | 14:27 |
| Thanatermesis | is there any e17 repository ? i want to use e17 on n800 | 14:28 |
| acydlord | anyone know if tkinter or PIL are in any of the libs already? | 14:29 |
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| kulve | vegai: lot's of people seems to think so | 14:30 |
| tigert | Thanatermesis: enlightenment is kinda crazy on the handheld | 14:30 |
| inz | Thana, you could try mamona | 14:31 |
| X-Fade_ | Thanatermesis: Check what the INDT guys did.. | 14:31 |
| Thanatermesis | tigert, yes, but i want to do tests on it :) | 14:31 |
| tigert | i dont know if there are repos | 14:31 |
| Thanatermesis | btw, is possible to install debian on n800 ? | 14:31 |
| tigert | it builds ok for it though | 14:31 |
| pupnik | <snap>~Ah got ta showah~!!</snap> | 14:32 |
| * pupnik holds breath | 14:33 | |
| * pupnik vows not to shower until N810 is shipped | 14:34 | |
| acydlord | i still need to upgrade my sdk to chinook | 14:34 |
| dpb_ | pupnik: I hope you wont be close to me then.. | 14:34 |
| pupnik | yeah that would be the thing to do | 14:34 |
| acydlord | i think i'll install it on the laptop, brb | 14:35 |
| suihkulokki | Thanatermesis: to a sd card yes, but you are going to miss a lot from the default gui | 14:35 |
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| Thanatermesis | suihkulokki, yes, well, that i miss too is a lot of apps that debian has :/ | 14:37 |
| khertan | hi | 14:37 |
| Thanatermesis | and aparently there's not much ppl making packages for n800 | 14:38 |
| Thanatermesis | or update packages, or made ports... or anything | 14:38 |
| khertan | ppl ? | 14:38 |
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| pupnik | persistent pestering lusers? | 14:40 |
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| pupnik | repositories? | 14:41 |
| _Monkey | somebody said repositories was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 14:41 |
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| pupnik | Thanatermesis: search repos there and if you really are missing something, ask in channel | 14:41 |
| Thanatermesis | suihkulokki, and i can't do a deb-src line of debian that i can add and just to dpkg-buildpackage to make ports for the maemo system ? | 14:41 |
| pupnik | e17 is not really a tablet windowing system | 14:41 |
| Thanatermesis | pupnik, yes, but i work with e17 related things and i want to make tests on it | 14:42 |
| Thanatermesis | well, there's not really much packages on maemo that i can install, and aparently not are very maintained | 14:42 |
| pupnik | compared to desktop linux, correct | 14:43 |
| pupnik | maybe even also compared to zaurus | 14:43 |
| khertan | zaurus exist since more time | 14:43 |
| Thanatermesis | pupnik, i can't do "dpkg-buildpackage" on maemo ? to just port packages from debian ? maybe i can put online a repo for n800 | 14:43 |
| pupnik | Thanatermesis: yes dpkg-b.. works | 14:43 |
| Thanatermesis | i just don't want to lost time with vmware-images-stuff-way's-etc | 14:44 |
| Thanatermesis | ok, i can make a look to it then | 14:44 |
| khertan | you can't use dpkg directly on tablet | 14:44 |
| khertan | use the sdk | 14:44 |
| Thanatermesis | khertan, the sdk is that system on qemu on vmware ? | 14:45 |
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| khertan | there are wmware appliance to easily use the sdk on windows and for people who doesn't pass more time to set the dev env than dev | 14:47 |
| khertan | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html | 14:48 |
| khertan | here the sdk : http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html | 14:48 |
| Thana64 | i use linux, but that's just that i want... not lost time with this, the n800 is of my GF, i want to install little things and do other tests, but i don't have really free time to play with | 14:51 |
| pupnik | you can write apps with python or ruby | 14:53 |
| Thana64 | khertan, what exactly do that script ? installs a debootstrap or something on my HD ? | 14:53 |
| Thana64 | or i need to run it on the n800 ? | 14:53 |
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| pupnik | the sdk goes on a pc | 14:53 |
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| Thana64 | pupnik, in what exactly consists this SDK ? the script installs a debootstrap to my HD where i chroot and work on it ? | 14:57 |
| pupnik | yes it is like a chroot environment | 14:58 |
| Thana64 | ok | 14:58 |
| pupnik | it also can execute the arm code using qemu | 14:58 |
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| Thana64 | sounds good | 15:01 |
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| ol_schoola | i have question on boot from mmc procedure | 15:11 |
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| Tak | mamona looks very interesting | 15:12 |
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| ol_schoola | successfully completed anyone using 2008 on n800 booting from mmc able to lend a hend? | 15:16 |
| ol_schoola | scratch 'successfully completed' | 15:16 |
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| ol_schoola | i've successfully completed the filesystem copies, and issued the chroot to commit the bootmenu but it still boots straight to the internal flash, no menu given | 15:19 |
| ol_schoola | does it matter that i'm still in r+d mode from flashing to 2008? | 15:19 |
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| ol_schoola | ah hah, failed initfs flash. lack of sleep... | 15:42 |
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| k-s[WORK] | disq: ping | 15:45 |
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| rothiel | re :) | 16:10 |
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| rafl | hrm.. os2008 doesn't have rootme as its root password anymore :-/ | 16:10 |
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| sxpert-work | rafl: time to start jack again :-) | 16:11 |
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| inz | rafl, it doesn't? | 16:16 |
| rafl | inz: at least using that when using ssh to localhost doesn't work for me. | 16:17 |
| X-Fade_ | rafl: Try ssh from outside.. | 16:17 |
| inz | rafl, try in r&d mode | 16:17 |
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| rafl | X-Fade_: ECONNREFUSED | 16:20 |
| rafl | inz: will do. | 16:20 |
| X-Fade_ | rafl: And you are sure sshd is running? | 16:20 |
| L0cutus | time to reflash old good os2007 on my n800... | 16:21 |
| rafl | X-Fade_: yes. | 16:22 |
| X-Fade_ | rafl: Weird. | 16:22 |
| X-Fade_ | Should just work. | 16:23 |
| rafl | so it works for you? | 16:23 |
| X-Fade_ | It does. | 16:24 |
| rafl | weird, indeed. | 16:24 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:32 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, lopz | 16:32 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 16:41 |
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| tom|15442 | hello dear community.... is anyone else having trouble installing vpnc on OS2008? | 17:12 |
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| khertan | rafl> password is root me for me | 17:13 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 17:14 |
| X-Fade_ | Hi lardman. Any news on the powervr driver? :) | 17:14 |
| lardman | I'm thinking that if I can remove the pci_* fns then I may be able to force it in | 17:15 |
| lardman | or rather the fns that need pci_* from the kernel, the missing symbols | 17:16 |
| lardman | Looks like the powervr kernel module must be called from a thread called pvrsrv (iirc) | 17:16 |
| lardman | this is started by the libsrv_* libraries | 17:17 |
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| X-Fade_ | I wonder if it would be easier to compile the 2.6.10 omap kernel and try to boot that.. | 17:17 |
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| lardman | it's curiously a module for 2.6.14 now that I look harder | 17:17 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: That what they say on the website.. | 17:18 |
| lardman | the other option is just to compile the n800 kernel with the pci stuff and force it in | 17:18 |
| lardman | I know, but in the module it says 2.6.14 | 17:18 |
| X-Fade_ | yeah, saw that too. | 17:19 |
| X-Fade_ | It seems that we do have the MBX and not the MBX lite.. | 17:20 |
| lardman | anyway, looks interesting :) | 17:20 |
| lardman | yes | 17:20 |
| lardman | I was also browsing the dsp kernel and saw mention of the mbx in there | 17:20 |
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| X-Fade_ | Hmm maybe it is able to fetch data from the mbx.. | 17:21 |
| lardman | _mbx_init | 17:21 |
| lardman | _mbx_send, that sort of stuff | 17:22 |
| lardman | Anyway, I'm quite hopeful :) | 17:22 |
| X-Fade_ | Well, enabling pci in the current kernel should not be a big problem. | 17:23 |
| X-Fade_ | It doesn't have to be functional, as long as the symbols are there. | 17:23 |
| lardman | yes exactly | 17:23 |
| lardman | I do wonder if it's possible to strip functions out of a binary, it presumably is as some debugging tools can do it, I just wonder how easy it would be to write a tool to do this (so people can do it themselves)? | 17:24 |
| X-Fade_ | And update the module version ;) | 17:25 |
| lardman | yeah, that should be easy enough | 17:25 |
| lardman | If anyone has any pointers then that would be useful | 17:25 |
| lardman | in terms of names we need: pci_bus_read_config_dword, *_write_*, pci_find_slot | 17:26 |
| lardman | I've no idea why these are in there, they don't appear to be called by anything | 17:27 |
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| lardman | I've just checked again, and nothing uses the HOSTPCI* fns exported by the pvr.ko module, so it should be safe to remove them (and with them the calls into the kernel to our missing symbols) | 17:35 |
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| Thana64 | http://paste.debian.net/42604 | 17:39 |
| Thana64 | looks like the debian packages for scratchbox are not complete | 17:40 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Check this: http://mcmcc.bat.ru/mypatches/fixscript | 17:40 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: cool, thanks | 17:40 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: It would need a bit of change, but this should give you an idea :) | 17:41 |
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| Thana64 | no... looks updated | 17:49 |
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| Thana64 | why not works then ? please can anybody tell me from where i get compatibility.sh ? | 17:50 |
| Thana64 | can anybody that has a SDK can do a dpkg -S compatibility.sh ? | 17:50 |
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| Tak | dpkg: /scratchbox/sbin/compatibility.sh not found. | 18:01 |
| Tak | part of scratchbox | 18:01 |
| Tak | oops, wait, that was from inside | 18:02 |
| Tak | scratchbox-core: /scratchbox/sbin/compatibility.sh | 18:02 |
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| disq | anybody know if garage's coming up soon? | 18:05 |
| disq | people demand kagu! :P | 18:05 |
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| rothiel | On maemo.org, there is doc about HOWTO UseTouchscreenPressureData | 18:06 |
| Thana64 | Tak, thanks | 18:06 |
| rothiel | but on a xlib application | 18:06 |
| Thana64 | what is those "nokia closed binaries" exactly ? | 18:06 |
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| rothiel | Where I can get the same doc to sdl application ? | 18:07 |
| rothiel | (thanks for our answers) | 18:07 |
| bill20r3 | usually those are code that they licensed from someone else, and cant share. | 18:07 |
| Thana64 | bill20r3, you talk to me ? well, i just what to know what exact parts are those "closed" that n800 has | 18:08 |
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| indiop | is there a maemo repo for os2008? | 18:08 |
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| X-Fade_ | Thana64: Wireless driver, multimedia codecs etc.. | 18:09 |
| _berto_ | indiop: you have this -> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 | 18:09 |
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| rothiel | No one to answer me ? | 18:10 |
| _berto_ | rothiel: sdl library? | 18:11 |
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| rothiel | _berto_, > I wanna know how use touchscreen on a sdl appli | 18:11 |
| rothiel | get te x & y when a user click, etc... | 18:12 |
| rothiel | on maemo.org the is doc about that, but for Xlib | 18:12 |
| indiop | _berto_: thanks, I thought there will be apt sources avail | 18:12 |
| _berto_ | rothiel: I don't know, but I guess you can use this -> http://www.libsdl.org/ | 18:14 |
| indiop | btw is there is a tab in the n810 | 18:14 |
| _berto_ | indiop: there might be, I'm not sure :) | 18:14 |
| indiop | can't find it | 18:14 |
| indiop | heh | 18:14 |
| Thana64 | X-Fade_, what exactly is that window-manager (a new one made for n800?) ? and those applets ? | 18:14 |
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| Luria | hola | 18:15 |
| pupnik | rothiel: you get mouse x,y like with any sdl app | 18:15 |
| pupnik | rothiel: tapping on scren = mouse left click | 18:15 |
| rothiel | ok | 18:16 |
| rothiel | thx a lot men :) | 18:16 |
| pupnik | you're welcome | 18:16 |
| Luria | play more crysis, play with chinook sdk... these are the times that try men's souls... | 18:17 |
| X-Fade_ | Thana64: It is all explained in this document: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html | 18:17 |
| Luria | actually, getting wayfinder to finish the usa east download is trying my patience. | 18:18 |
| Thana64 | thanks X-Fade_ :) | 18:18 |
| indiop | http://gronmayer.com/n800/repos/show_repos.php | 18:18 |
| indiop | there are the repos | 18:18 |
| indiop | cool | 18:18 |
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| bill20r3 | I remember someone talking about cpu freq scaling a few days ago, is there a way to make the current N800 firmware run at 400Mhz? | 18:20 |
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| zoran | it is known bsd topic | 18:20 |
| zoran | works fine on intel and amd cpu-s | 18:20 |
| zoran | also looks that someone has it on n810 | 18:20 |
| X-Fade_ | It does that in OS2008 in N800 also.. | 18:21 |
| zoran | I have my laptop 1400 cpu working at 174 | 18:21 |
| X-Fade_ | Scales from 165Mhz to 400Mhz.. | 18:21 |
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| bill20r3 | zoran, do you know how to change it on an N800? | 18:23 |
| zoran | \nope, not for now :) | 18:23 |
| zoran | since I have 770 | 18:24 |
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| zoran | bill20r3, it should be compiled to the kernel, if I see it correctly | 18:24 |
| zoran | and called as powerd daemon | 18:25 |
| bill20r3 | ahh ok, that's the answer I was after, thanks. | 18:25 |
| * bill20r3 googles stuff now. | 18:25 | |
| zoran | my laptop is about 30 C even I do whatever | 18:25 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 18:32 |
| Tak | heh, don't assume a tap is a /left/ click | 18:32 |
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| ntrs_ | What is the best way to convert an image (photo) to be used as a desktop background on an n800? | 18:35 |
| lardman | ntrs_: just use it as is | 18:36 |
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| disq | kagu 1.0.10 for chinook released - in the extras repo | 18:36 |
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| ntrs_ | lardman, yes but the format is incorrect. The photo is of different size. | 18:37 |
| Tak | ntrs_: resize it to 800x480 ? | 18:37 |
| ntrs_ | disq, I am looking for an application not running on the n800 | 18:38 |
| ntrs_ | Tak, yes but then the format will not be correct. Things will be streched out. | 18:38 |
| zoran | trim it, ntrs_ | 18:38 |
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| ntrs_ | I guess it needs to be a combination of resizing and croping. | 18:38 |
| zoran | :) | 18:38 |
| Tak | heh, the cropping is implied | 18:38 |
| zoran | image magic probably could do it | 18:39 |
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| lophyte | hey all | 18:39 |
| ntrs_ | Ok, how do I get the image to the n800? Do I have to take out the card move the file then reinsert the card? | 18:39 |
| ntrs_ | Can I transfer somehow through the USB? | 18:40 |
| Tak | wifi, usb, bluetooth, ... | 18:40 |
| zoran | wifi? | 18:40 |
| _Monkey | well, wifi is both demanding and heating | 18:40 |
| lophyte | I don't have net access from inside my scratchbox SDK... any suggestions? | 18:40 |
| Tak | lophyte: check resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf | 18:40 |
| lophyte | "hosts: files dns" in nsswitch.conf | 18:41 |
| lophyte | nameserver 208.67.222.222 in resolv.conf | 18:41 |
| ntrs_ | Tak, how do I transfer through USB? | 18:41 |
| zoran | folks, not related to 770/800/810, but have a question: I have new nokia 6233 and when I want to see the screen, it shows white for a less than second, then wallpaper comes up | 18:42 |
| Tak | plug in the usb cable; the memory card should show up as a usb storage device in the other machine | 18:42 |
| zoran | should I expect some lag or change the phone? | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | lophyte: make sure you check those files both in /etc/ and in /scratchbox/etc/ | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | I think only the /scratchbox/etc/ ones are important, but better be safe | 18:43 |
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| lophyte | mgedmin, ah, nice... thanks | 18:46 |
| lophyte | had to edit /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf :) | 18:46 |
| lophyte | one more question.. is it possible to install the 'application manager' in the maemo SDK? where would I get that package? | 18:46 |
| lophyte | err | 18:47 |
| lophyte | nm | 18:47 |
| lophyte | think I found it | 18:47 |
| lophyte | osso-application-installer I'd imagine | 18:47 |
| disq | hildon-application-manager or -mgr | 18:47 |
| disq | could be osso-*-installer too | 18:47 |
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| Tak | `apt-get install '*osso*' '*hildon*'` should cover it ;-) | 18:49 |
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| disq | .* rather | 18:50 |
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| Ar-ras | hi | 18:52 |
| _Monkey | que tal, Ar-ras | 18:52 |
| Ar-ras | :) | 18:52 |
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| Ar-ras | Does exist a solution for a IR-Remote Controle for N800? | 18:54 |
| alterego | Any of you bad kids hack os2008 on the n800 and manage to instantiate a USB connection? ANY usb connection? | 18:54 |
| Thana64 | maybe that's a hard question but... how many persons are using n800 ? i mean... its not very popular at all on spain, you CANT possible to buy in ANY shop, only nokia.com online | 18:55 |
| alterego | That's in spain. More people have the n800 i believe .. It's a lot better than the 770 | 18:56 |
| Ar-ras | Thana64 Spain is a backward country who still use windows 95... :-P | 18:56 |
| alterego | Hah | 18:56 |
| zoran | you could call yourself happy; there are countries where it was almost impossible to get any way | 18:56 |
| alterego | Even ebay? | 18:57 |
| Ar-ras | but i think, you can buy in spanish online store... | 18:57 |
| alterego | Oh, in a shop .. | 18:57 |
| Ar-ras | Buying N800 in Germany is not a real alternative... there are no shops with N800 | 18:57 |
| zoran | alterego, some parts or earth has no monetary trafficd to ebay, which asks for card issued in petain country | 18:57 |
| alterego | Well the tablets aren't in many shops anywhere. | 18:57 |
| Ar-ras | alterego agree | 18:58 |
| l7 | chinook? | 18:58 |
| _Monkey | well, chinook is the tag name for OS2008 | 18:58 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, haha! | 18:58 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, yes, i have buy it on a nokia online store... no way to found it on any Fnac or "el corte ingles" | 18:58 |
| disq | kagu 1.0.10 released for gregale/bora/chinook, check your repositories :) (garage is down) | 18:59 |
| Thana64 | i have buy that bluetooth keyboard to a super-nokia-fan (2º hand), and he has say W0W when has view nokia n800, saying "i don't have know that exists" lol | 18:59 |
| Ar-ras | Thana64 wait a moment | 18:59 |
| alterego | So who's running 2008? | 19:00 |
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| Ar-ras | I run 2008 on N800 | 19:01 |
| zpol | re | 19:02 |
| alterego | Ar-ras: have you managed to connect to it via USB? | 19:02 |
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| bill20r3 | ar-ras, what modules are loaded? | 19:02 |
| alterego | Ar-ras: any connection at all, storage .. Ether .. Flash .. | 19:02 |
| Ar-ras | mmh | 19:03 |
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| Ar-ras | wait | 19:03 |
| Ar-ras | i connect with USB | 19:03 |
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| Ar-ras | mass storage | 19:03 |
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| Ar-ras | I can access to Filesystem | 19:03 |
| Ar-ras | yepp | 19:04 |
| Ar-ras | Access to external and internal SD SLot | 19:04 |
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| alterego | Phew. Probably the bust machine I was using then :) | 19:04 |
| Ar-ras | bill20r3 | 19:04 |
| Ar-ras | why are you asking for firmware file? | 19:04 |
| Ar-ras | i posted the link on ITT | 19:05 |
| bill20r3 | to try out os2008 | 19:05 |
| bill20r3 | ahh, I didn't see that link. | 19:05 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, do you have 2008 ? i have just finished to install the SDK, i have made the "tree" package (for console), but my GF's has take the n800 with she and i can't test if installs without problems :/ maybe you like to try it ? | 19:05 |
| bill20r3 | I'll go search for it. | 19:05 |
| alterego | Thanks I'm gonna log off now. Conserve battery | 19:05 |
| Ar-ras | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=94542#post94542 | 19:05 |
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| bill20r3 | thanks. | 19:06 |
| Ar-ras | Thana64 what should i test? | 19:06 |
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| Thana64 | Ar-ras, just to see if my package "tree" (that's the name of the package) installs and works without problems | 19:06 |
| Thana64 | well, let me set up it online | 19:06 |
| Ar-ras | k | 19:07 |
| Ar-ras | bill20r3 do you know how to flash IT OS 2008? | 19:07 |
| bill20r3 | I saw some instructions on gizmodo, I'll follow those. | 19:08 |
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| Ar-ras | bill20r3 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=94182&highlight=flasher-3%2A#post94182 | 19:09 |
| Ar-ras | Thana64 are you coder? | 19:09 |
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| bill20r3 | cool, looks simple enough. | 19:09 |
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| Thana64 | Ar-ras, something like, but no for maemo | 19:10 |
| Ar-ras | Thana64 http://www.expansys.es/p.aspx?i=144761 , but sold out atm | 19:10 |
| resiak | hrm. trying to do anything in the application manager within scratchbox pops up a little "operation failed" window :/ | 19:10 |
| X-Fade_ | resiak: Did you try install from file? | 19:11 |
| Ar-ras | resiak broken repo? | 19:11 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, thanks, is a good price :) | 19:12 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, make a look here: http://thana.no-ip.org/n800 | 19:12 |
| resiak | X-Fade_: i'm not trying to install anything in particular; but choosing that gives "Operation already in progress" | 19:12 |
| Ar-ras | The requested URL /n800 was not found on this server. | 19:12 |
| X-Fade_ | resiak: yeah, it acts a bit weird for me too ;) | 19:13 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, ok, reload | 19:13 |
| Ar-ras | not compatible | 19:14 |
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| Thana64 | mmh, what are hte messages ? | 19:15 |
| Ar-ras | just says "not compatible" | 19:17 |
| Ar-ras | and on details it says "not installable" | 19:17 |
| Thana64 | let, met me make a look | 19:17 |
| Ar-ras | ho? | 19:17 |
| Ar-ras | how? | 19:17 |
| Thana64 | well, let me try to understand what happens :) | 19:17 |
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| Ar-ras | sorry it just gives that message | 19:18 |
| Luria | kagu media scanner is still a pain | 19:18 |
| Ar-ras | maybe i should try to install with xterm? | 19:18 |
| Luria | but it looks nice with glasser | 19:18 |
| Luria | but why oh why can't i background the app | 19:19 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, yes, try from xterm, that gives more messages | 19:20 |
| pupnik | Ar-ras: there is a log in application manager menu - or install via apt-get from xterm | 19:20 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, you run chinook ? | 19:20 |
| Ar-ras | os 2008 | 19:20 |
| Ar-ras | yes | 19:21 |
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| Ar-ras | grrr | 19:23 |
| Ar-ras | what is the password for sudo? | 19:23 |
| zoran | user pass | 19:23 |
| Ar-ras | yes | 19:23 |
| Ar-ras | whats the password of root | 19:23 |
| Luria | root/rootme | 19:23 |
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| Ar-ras | doesnt accept :( | 19:24 |
| Luria | install ssh | 19:24 |
| Luria | cause root is disabled | 19:24 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, ssh root@localhost, better | 19:24 |
| Luria | then ssh root@local or from another machine | 19:25 |
| Luria | then fix sudoers | 19:25 |
| disq | root@127.1 is easier to type | 19:25 |
| Ar-ras | ah yes | 19:25 |
| Ar-ras | but how to install ssh? | 19:25 |
| Luria | enable red pill mode | 19:26 |
| Ar-ras | which package contains ssh? | 19:26 |
| Luria | one of the repos should have it | 19:26 |
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| Ar-ras | openssh-client? | 19:26 |
| Luria | either dropbear OR openssh | 19:26 |
| _Monkey | openssh-client is the portable version of OpenSSH, a free implementation of the Secure Shell protocol. This package contains client side utilities: ssh, scp, sftp, ssh-agent, etc... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh-client | 19:26 |
| pupnik | gainroot? | 19:26 |
| _Monkey | well, gainroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 19:26 |
| zoran | better openssh | 19:26 |
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| pupnik | becomeroot? | 19:26 |
| _Monkey | somebody said becomeroot was a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 19:26 |
| Luria | no you need the meta package | 19:26 |
| Luria | 0.7 MB iirc | 19:26 |
| Ar-ras | ok ok its enough *G* | 19:26 |
| Luria | _Monkey, die. | 19:27 |
| _Monkey | Luria: what? | 19:27 |
| Luria | _Monkey? | 19:28 |
| _Monkey | yes, Luria? | 19:28 |
| Luria | i shouldnt feed the bot | 19:28 |
| Luria | anyone know how i can d/l the wayfinder mapsets without using the app | 19:29 |
| Ar-ras | ssh root@127.0.0.1 | 19:29 |
| Ar-ras | asks me for pass | 19:29 |
| Luria | like a link? | 19:29 |
| Luria | rootme | 19:29 |
| _Monkey | i heard rootme was the default pw? | 19:29 |
| Ar-ras | i write rootme | 19:29 |
| pupnik | so would you say crysis is the best looking thing right now Luria? the foliage and lighting seems really good. | 19:29 |
| zoran | Ar-ras, rootme | 19:29 |
| Ar-ras | but refuses :-/ | 19:29 |
| Luria | i dunno, my computer is crying | 19:29 |
| Luria | $500 3d cards dont last two years | 19:30 |
| Luria | sigh | 19:30 |
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| Thana64 | strange, its rootme, ih ave set my pass to my root user | 19:30 |
| Luria | i really, really, really, liked bioshock | 19:30 |
| Thana64 | not in chinook, btw | 19:30 |
| Ar-ras | Permission denied, please try again | 19:30 |
| zoran | from outside? | 19:30 |
| Luria | the tech may not be as fancy, but the art and story are great | 19:31 |
| resiak | so in chinook, are a hilarious number of applications referenced in /etc/hildon-desktop/*.conf meant to be missing from /usr/share/applications ? | 19:31 |
| zoran | from outside? | 19:31 |
| Luria | chinook has been kinda wonky for me | 19:31 |
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| Ar-ras | mmh | 19:32 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, try to do: apt-cache policy libc6 | 19:32 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, looks like this can be the only problem | 19:32 |
| Ar-ras | xterm sucks :-/ | 19:32 |
| Thana64 | heh | 19:32 |
| Ar-ras | when i want to use bigscreenkeyboard | 19:32 |
| Ar-ras | thumbkeyboard | 19:33 |
| Ar-ras | then home.html is standard input :-/ | 19:33 |
| Luria | i love having a bt kybd | 19:33 |
| Luria | so necessary | 19:33 |
| visy | oh, i never thought of that :D | 19:33 |
| visy | tablet+bt kb | 19:33 |
| zoran | or make a new chinese alike system with 2 pointers | 19:33 |
| visy | of course, it all makes sense now :D | 19:33 |
| Luria | i almost stopped using my notebook | 19:34 |
| zoran | or make a new chinese alike system with 2 pointers | 19:34 |
| Thana64 | Luria, the bt keyboard of nokia ? | 19:34 |
| Luria | no | 19:34 |
| Thana64 | ah ok :) | 19:34 |
| * Thana64 thinks thats a bit hard to type with | 19:34 | |
| Luria | whats not the igo | 19:34 |
| Luria | not=now | 19:34 |
| Thana64 | Luria, any link to that kb ? | 19:34 |
| Luria | sure one sec | 19:35 |
| Ar-ras | Thana64 did aptcache and now? | 19:35 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, tell me the number of the one installed | 19:35 |
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| Ar-ras | 2.5.0-1osso7 | 19:36 |
| Luria | http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2524884 | 19:36 |
| Thana64 | strange, needs to work then | 19:36 |
| Luria | msrp is nuts | 19:36 |
| Luria | i got mine for $90 | 19:36 |
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| Thana64 | Ar-ras, well, if you can root on xterm, see what messages says, if not, its ok, i wait that my GF back with the n800 this night to make a look :) | 19:36 |
| Ar-ras | but why i cant get root access :-( | 19:37 |
| Ar-ras | get passwd | 19:37 |
| Ar-ras | john passwd | 19:37 |
| Ar-ras | :D | 19:37 |
| Luria | but, you should know that the number row is overlayed on the qwerty row and requires a function key | 19:37 |
| Luria | its the cost of being really small | 19:37 |
| Thana64 | Luria, looks good :) | 19:38 |
| zoran | Ar-ras, could you ssh as user and then sudo or whatever? | 19:38 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, idk, maybe is not "rootme" hte pass on chinook ? :/ | 19:38 |
| Luria | yes it is | 19:38 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, with ssh root@localhost needs to work | 19:38 |
| Luria | i just did this on my n800 | 19:38 |
| Ar-ras | zoran password of user? | 19:38 |
| Ar-ras | Thana64 how can we get the password :-/ | 19:39 |
| Luria | dont fuck the the user passwd | 19:39 |
| Luria | with | 19:39 |
| pupnik | i did on 770 and it works ok | 19:39 |
| Luria | that is reputed to cause major problems | 19:39 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, what ssh you have installed ? | 19:39 |
| Ar-ras | openssh | 19:39 |
| Tak | changing the user passwd is the first thing I do on installing ssh | 19:39 |
| zoran | Ar-ras, could you check if openssh daemons? | 19:40 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, is strange that rootme not works for you... if you don't have changed the root password | 19:40 |
| zoran | or shutdown -r now | 19:40 |
| zoran | you have to include it in /etc/rc... whatever | 19:41 |
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| Luria | or check first with ps | grep | 19:41 |
| zoran | yep | 19:41 |
| Luria | "ps -a | grep ssh " should work | 19:43 |
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| Luria | you should get something like: | 19:43 |
| Luria | 792 root 3456 SW /usr/sbin/sshd | 19:44 |
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| Luria | (and a second return with the grep process. ignore that) | 19:44 |
| Ar-ras | 1818 root 3168 SWN /usr/sbin/sshd | 19:45 |
| zoran | that's it | 19:45 |
| zoran | we all know it's up when you told it gave you the prompt | 19:46 |
| lardman | anyone got an n810 or n800 with os2008 on it handy? | 19:46 |
| Luria | oh i missed that | 19:46 |
| Luria | lardman, n800, yeah | 19:46 |
| lardman | could you give me the uname -r output please | 19:46 |
| Luria | sure | 19:47 |
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| Luria | 2.6.21-omap1 | 19:47 |
| lardman | thanks | 19:47 |
| Luria | np | 19:47 |
| lardman | hmm, different length, I wonder how one alters the vermagic in a kernel module... | 19:48 |
| Luria | whats the big difference between .18 and .21 | 19:48 |
| lardman | no idea, sorry | 19:48 |
| Luria | np | 19:48 |
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| Luria | grr ff mem leak in effect | 19:49 |
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| Luria | i swear ff is the emacs of webbrowsers | 19:50 |
| Ar-ras | i have an idea about infrared remote control for N800 | 19:50 |
| kulve | kernel changes quite rapidly nowadays, so there are a lot of minor changes at least between .18 and .21 | 19:51 |
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| kulve | (if we were talking about kernel versions here..) | 19:51 |
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| lardman | it ought to be in the changelogs too: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.19 etc. | 19:52 |
| Luria | yeah, was looking at that | 19:53 |
| lophyte | os2008? | 19:53 |
| _Monkey | os2008 is really fast | 19:53 |
| lophyte | ...damn | 19:53 |
| lophyte | was hoping _Monkey would have useful output | 19:53 |
| lardman | lol | 19:54 |
| Luria | bots are the bane of those seeking useful output. | 19:54 |
| Ar-ras | kick monkey | 19:54 |
| lophyte | he was useful last night :) | 19:54 |
| lophyte | itt? | 19:54 |
| _Monkey | itt is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 19:54 |
| zoran | "shock the monkey" | 19:54 |
| lophyte | *that's* useful. | 19:54 |
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| Luria | bots? | 19:55 |
| _Monkey | bots are the bane of those seeking useful output. | 19:55 |
| Luria | *chuckle* | 19:55 |
| lophyte | haha | 19:55 |
| zoran | bot could read some db and give results, depending on key word | 19:56 |
| Luria | #269275 +(395)- [X] | 19:57 |
| Luria | <CoryS> You know it's a bad sign when you call ISP support to change some dns servers around and they ask if the ip address you just gave them was a phone number or IP address. | 19:57 |
| Luria | sometimes i love bash | 19:57 |
| lophyte | rofl | 19:57 |
| Ar-ras | does somebody ported Wine to N800? | 19:58 |
| Thana64 | Ar-ras, you don't have obtained root finally ? | 19:58 |
| Ar-ras | Thana64 no | 19:58 |
| czr | evenink | 19:59 |
| zoran | Ar-ras, reboot if not a prob | 19:59 |
| Tak | Ar-ras: wine needs x86 | 19:59 |
| Thana64 | ok :/ | 19:59 |
| Thana64 | Luria, maybe you can try from xterm why this package not installs ? http://thana.no-ip.org/n800 | 20:00 |
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| lophyte | I gotta try out this Palm OS for maemo | 20:00 |
| Luria | its really good | 20:00 |
| lophyte | yeah? sweet | 20:01 |
| process91 | I am having terrible problems using the scratchbox/maemo setup, can anyone help me? | 20:01 |
| lardman | wumpus: you about? | 20:01 |
| Luria | Thana64, gimme a sec | 20:01 |
| process91 | I have a Nokia 770 and I am running Ubuntu 7.10 | 20:02 |
| process91 | I'm trying to make a remote for MythTV | 20:02 |
| Ar-ras | but not running Ubuntu on Nokia 770 ;) | 20:02 |
| process91 | heheh right | 20:02 |
| process91 | I followed this tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html | 20:03 |
| lophyte | ubuntu-mobile on the n800 would rock | 20:03 |
| Luria | not so ridiculous | 20:03 |
| Luria | exactly | 20:03 |
| Ar-ras | why did they not build a x86 into the N800 :-/ | 20:03 |
| Luria | um | 20:03 |
| process91 | When I run this command: af-sb-init.sh start | 20:03 |
| Luria | because then they would need 2500mah batteries to give it have the life it has now? | 20:04 |
| Ar-ras | Luria no problem... :) | 20:04 |
| process91 | I get back several lines of "/scractchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory" | 20:04 |
| lophyte | embedded devices are rarely x86 based | 20:04 |
| Luria | then get a umpc | 20:04 |
| Ar-ras | yeah | 20:04 |
| Luria | they are useless, tho | 20:04 |
| Ar-ras | maybe when they are cheaper | 20:04 |
| lophyte | arm seems to be most common | 20:05 |
| Luria | 1.5 hour battery life | 20:05 |
| Luria | *EXCEPT* for the computer of my dreams | 20:05 |
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| sp3000 | <angelic_choir/> | 20:05 |
| Luria | http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:MR-1 | 20:05 |
| Ar-ras | bah | 20:05 |
| Ar-ras | ugly | 20:05 |
| Luria | i want that so badly | 20:05 |
| Luria | its like my n800+cf-m34 all in one | 20:06 |
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| process91 | what about the vaio UX? | 20:06 |
| process91 | http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=577&parentCategoryId=16154 | 20:06 |
| process91 | so much sexier | 20:06 |
| Luria | thats the one i played with that sucked imo | 20:06 |
| Luria | i found it very bulky | 20:07 |
| process91 | yea but you can't beat the features | 20:07 |
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| process91 | gyros that turn off the hard drive if it starts to fall | 20:08 |
| Ar-ras | sweet vaio ux looks good | 20:08 |
| Luria | oh please. sexier? i could have the logo of sony, maker of audio cd root kits, or general dynamics, maker of the f-16. | 20:08 |
| process91 | fingerprint scanner | 20:08 |
| lophyte | boo for sony :) | 20:09 |
| Luria | crap, kybd battery died | 20:09 |
| process91 | so anyway, does anyone have any ideas about this error? "http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=577&parentCategoryId=16154" | 20:09 |
| process91 | oops | 20:09 |
| Luria | ill take the general dynamics one with bt, wifi, gps and 3g | 20:09 |
| lophyte | I wish I wasn't so impatient... | 20:10 |
| lophyte | I should've waited for the n810 to come out | 20:10 |
| process91 | this error "/scractchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory" | 20:10 |
| wumpus | lardman: yep | 20:10 |
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| Ar-ras | i want to write applications for N800 | 20:10 |
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| Ar-ras | what programming language I must learn? | 20:11 |
| lophyte | python is probably the easiest | 20:11 |
| lardman | wumpus: I was just idly thinking of what I should rename the pci symbols to | 20:11 |
| czr | lardman, still working on the kern mode reveng? | 20:11 |
| lophyte | Ar-ras, http://www.diveintopython.org/ | 20:11 |
| czr | kern mod even | 20:11 |
| lophyte | Ar-ras, also: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html | 20:12 |
| Ar-ras | oha | 20:12 |
| lardman | X-Fade_ gave me the url of a cool script which uses objcopy to alter the kernel version info and it also renames symbols | 20:12 |
| khertan | lophyte > and the best :) | 20:12 |
| Ar-ras | and with python i can code GUI? | 20:12 |
| czr | heh. that's evil | 20:12 |
| pupnik | lets make sure nokia sells lots of units in 2008 before the x86 crap starts being pushed on consumers | 20:12 |
| lophyte | Ar-ras, yes | 20:12 |
| Thana64 | Luria, what's the error messages ? | 20:12 |
| process91 | I also get this error "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 20:12 |
| process91 | " | 20:12 |
| khertan | Ar-ras > easily with gtk | 20:12 |
| pupnik | take your tablets with you - show em to people | 20:12 |
| Tak | Ar-ras: also ruby! | 20:12 |
| Luria | Thana64, one sec. my kybd died. dpkging right now | 20:12 |
| khertan | beurk | 20:13 |
| Thana64 | ok | 20:13 |
| lophyte | khertan, I loves python | 20:13 |
| tomboh | does anyone have any experience opening up a 770? I've removed the torx screws but the case doesn't want to open up. | 20:13 |
| Ar-ras | Luria you get Root access? | 20:13 |
| khertan | lophyte > me too :) | 20:13 |
| Luria | Ar-ras, yes | 20:13 |
| Ar-ras | how? | 20:13 |
| Luria | red pill+install ssh + ssh root@localhost + vi sudoers | 20:14 |
| Ar-ras | red pill? | 20:14 |
| _Monkey | i guess red pill is soocool | 20:14 |
| Luria | Thana64, any switches i need other than -i on dpkg? | 20:14 |
| Ar-ras | i really wanted monkey to give me real information | 20:14 |
| Ar-ras | stupid monkey | 20:15 |
| Thana64 | Luria, no, just that | 20:15 |
| khertan | lophyte> i hope that gtk.glade will be ported soon to chinook | 20:15 |
| Luria | k | 20:15 |
| lophyte | khertan, is it available for bora? | 20:15 |
| Luria | no errors | 20:15 |
| Luria | oh wait | 20:15 |
| khertan | lophyte> yes it is | 20:16 |
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| lophyte | nice.. | 20:16 |
| lophyte | I just got my n800 so I haven't written any code yet, just been playing around | 20:16 |
| Luria | tree is working | 20:16 |
| Thana64 | Luria, perfect, that's good :) | 20:16 |
| khertan | so if you want to play onboard :) i suggest you PyGTKEditor :) | 20:16 |
| Thana64 | Luria, i don't know why, Ar-ras has found a problem installing it (from the GUI, this is why we have tried that he installs from cli) | 20:17 |
| khertan | it s a small editor for python :) | 20:17 |
| Luria | Thana64, hey, if youre set up, could you recompile vim? | 20:17 |
| Thana64 | haha | 20:17 |
| Luria | ok, ok | 20:17 |
| Thana64 | im just thinkin on that, Luria :) | 20:17 |
| Luria | cool | 20:17 |
| Thana64 | aparently the vim of n800 sucks, or it has something strange | 20:17 |
| Luria | i cant believe the old package doesnt work | 20:18 |
| Luria | it doesnt install | 20:18 |
| Thana64 | looks like "vi" | 20:18 |
| lophyte | khertan, nice.. is it in the standard maemo repos? | 20:18 |
| khertan | no ... | 20:18 |
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| khertan | i can't upl | 20:18 |
| Thana64 | oh, well, i have it (no chiinok) | 20:18 |
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| khertan | upload it | 20:18 |
| process91 | does anyone have any ideas on speeding up the internet browser for the 770? | 20:18 |
| khertan | but you can find it on maemo.org/downloads | 20:18 |
| Thana64 | Luria, but now that i have the SDK, i can try to made some packages... i can set a nice repo with misc things when i found a bit of time | 20:19 |
| khertan | or http://khertan.net | 20:19 |
| Luria | the old openvpn works, but the install process is still nonsense | 20:19 |
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| Luria | install this deb, then copy this openvpn binary over the installed one in /usr/sbin | 20:20 |
| penguinbait | I see someone saying they add "-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp" when the configure software inside scratchbox, is this necessary? Is this only need in x86 target | 20:20 |
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| penguinbait | Will this speed up packages I compiled in ARMEL target if I recompile with those flags? | 20:21 |
| kulve | those will enable the code the use the floating point hardware on the n800 cpu | 20:22 |
| kulve | and configure itself is not interested about those, but gcc | 20:22 |
| penguinbait | hmm | 20:22 |
| lardman | it does propogate them though which is useful | 20:22 |
| penguinbait | I never used these, do you think it would affect KDE | 20:23 |
| penguinbait | make it faster? | 20:23 |
| penguinbait | hey lardman | 20:23 |
| lardman | depends how much fp stuff it does? | 20:23 |
| kulve | depending what you do, they might give a good performance boost. But e.g. ogg and theora (video codec) has both integer implementations and they are (slightly) faster that the floating point versions | 20:23 |
| lardman | I thought tremor was a fair bit better than vorbis? | 20:24 |
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| lardman | long time ago now though | 20:24 |
| kulve | that is what I was trying to say.. | 20:24 |
| penguinbait | Well I guess that leaves me back recompiling 100 more source packages | 20:24 |
| lardman | I know :), just taking exception to the (slightly) ;) | 20:24 |
| lardman | penguinbait: you don't need to recompile everything, they happily exist together (soft- and hardfloat) | 20:25 |
| lopz | bye | 20:26 |
| penguinbait | so maybe just all KDE | 20:26 |
| penguinbait | at QT | 20:26 |
| lardman | penguinbait: also note that as libm isn't vfp enabled, you won't get any speed up of mathematical fns (trig, sqrt, exp, etc.) unless you build your own and statically link it | 20:26 |
| lardman | that's probably not a big issue though, I'd have thought general fp calculations would be the norm, if anything | 20:27 |
| penguinbait | well I am thinking since I just finished it, perhaps I will post new 2008 version of KDE and then go back and try to optimize | 20:28 |
| lardman | may as well | 20:28 |
| penguinbait | Koffice apps are a bit slow, so I would like to see if I can speed things up | 20:28 |
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| lardman | well a recompile of a given app might give you an indication | 20:28 |
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| Thana64 | is there a howto of how to upgrade to chinook if i have the system on a external card ? | 20:30 |
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| lophyte | khertan, awesome, thanks :) | 20:31 |
| Luria | ooh i won the mavic aero bars on ebay | 20:32 |
| penguinbait | I am thinking anything KDE would need KDElibs and QT redone to see the improvment, but perhaps even just Koffice itself | 20:32 |
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| bill20r3 | hmm gadgetfs.ko | 20:32 |
| fysa | How does XFCE run? | 20:32 |
| penguinbait | XFCE runs well, but it depends on what you want to use it for | 20:32 |
| erstazi | fysa: XFCE is slim and uses GTK apps | 20:33 |
| erstazi | fysa: its great for thin clients | 20:33 |
| fysa | right. KDE is better for the touchscreen? | 20:33 |
| lophyte | are we talking about kde on the n800 o_o | 20:33 |
| Luria | please no | 20:33 |
| erstazi | yeah thats a bit out there | 20:33 |
| lophyte | or just kde in genereal | 20:33 |
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| penguinbait | KDE is just more of a full suite of applications, instead of just an operating environment | 20:33 |
| lophyte | er, okay | 20:34 |
| Luria | though ktorrent would be nice | 20:34 |
| erstazi | penguinbait: desktop environment | 20:34 |
| lophyte | Qt on the n800 then :P | 20:34 |
| lardman | have a nice weekend all, will report back about pvr.ko on Sunday | 20:34 |
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| penguinbait | ok desktop | 20:34 |
| _Monkey | desktop is a product | 20:34 |
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| * lophyte wonders if its possible to have Qt apps on maemo | 20:34 | |
| penguinbait | sure why not | 20:35 |
| lophyte | I guess the real question is.. are there Qt libs for armel | 20:35 |
| lophyte | it'd be fun to get QTopia running on it | 20:35 |
| penguinbait | they compile no problems 3.3.8 compiles with no alterations needed | 20:35 |
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| lophyte | nice | 20:35 |
| penguinbait | and KDE use QT so they are in the KDE tarballs | 20:35 |
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| penguinbait | I have not used qtopia, because it does not use X | 20:36 |
| penguinbait | I didnt want to try to figure out how to turn off X without the tablet rebooting | 20:36 |
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| lophyte | khertan, I'm gonna grab your pypackager app, it sounds incredibly useful ;) | 20:39 |
| pumpkin | anyone know where I can find the source of the maemo hcitool? | 20:40 |
| Luria | can you restart the ITs wm without a reboot? | 20:40 |
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| ol_schoola | QT would lead to a full-on mythtv client | 20:41 |
| Luria | it would be helpful for using fc-cache to test some unicode fonts | 20:41 |
| konttori | khertan: do you have the extras integration done aleady to pypackager? | 20:41 |
| ScreamingN800 | Mmmm...Just wondering if anyone has thought of installing a 'tertiary bootstrap' on the tablet. Eg a minimal zImage that allows you to load the real kernel from mmc cards. | 20:42 |
| * konttori is still fighting to get ukmp to extras | 20:42 | |
| lophyte | konttori, are you the ukmp dev? | 20:43 |
| konttori | I have now seemingly proper .changes and .dsc files that contain MD5 checksums and are gpg signed, but still the package is not appearing to chinook | 20:43 |
| konttori | yeah | 20:43 |
| ScreamingN800 | Idea being to allow booting IT2007 or 2008 (or anything else you might want) without flashing. | 20:43 |
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| lophyte | konttori, cool.. nice job :) | 20:44 |
| konttori | thanks | 20:44 |
| konttori | I've now been stuck for 2 weeks because I can't upload the damn package to extras. | 20:44 |
| penguinbait | Screaming, it has been thought of | 20:45 |
| penguinbait | Dont think anyone has done it though | 20:45 |
| penguinbait | I would talk to Fanoush at Internettablettalk | 20:46 |
| ScreamingN800 | Ta penguinbait. | 20:46 |
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| penguinbait | np | 20:46 |
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| konttori | ahh.. .changes file also needs to contain md5 of the dsc file. Nice. Here we go again. | 20:50 |
| konttori | Does anyone know if the dsc file is actually mandatory or not | 20:50 |
| ScreamingN800 | While ur here penguinbait, gotta thank u for the KDE port (dying to try ur IT2008 one). U know you can do it by using an ext2 formatted partition and symlinking /usr/local/kde and /usr/local/qt of course. | 20:50 |
| kulve | konttori: those files are autogenerated.. | 20:51 |
| konttori | not for me | 20:51 |
| penguinbait | Screaming, when not booting from SD/mmc, I just mount 1.5GB on /usr/local and untar | 20:51 |
| kulve | well, maybe it should be for you too.. | 20:51 |
| konttori | I seem to always need to do everything the wrong way until I figure out the right way. | 20:51 |
| konttori | yeah, you are so right | 20:51 |
| penguinbait | My install of XFCE, used dd to create a ext2 mountable file and mounted the file as /usr/local, not partitioning needed | 20:52 |
| penguinbait | I plan to make similar script for KDE | 20:52 |
| penguinbait | Konttori, its called learning :) | 20:53 |
| pupnik | i'd like a bz2'd partition image of xfce-based system for my lazy multibooting ass | 20:53 |
| konttori | true ;) | 20:53 |
| ScreamingN800 | But symlink keeps it nicely seperate. The dd is a pretty trick tho :-o | 20:53 |
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| penguinbait | I am thinking you could probably make multiple dd images with different setups and heve them used in conjunction with bootmenu, boot from dd image on mmc | 20:55 |
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| ScreamingN800 | Now THAT is getting smarter. More so if you can gunzip em on the fly! | 20:57 |
| penguinbait | Well FS images dont compress easily if at all | 20:58 |
| Ar-ras | Is it possible to make Windows Mobile for N800? | 20:58 |
| Ar-ras | :D | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 20:58 |
| lophyte | ew | 20:58 |
| * lophyte feels sick at the thought | 20:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not go buy a real WinMob device? :\ | 20:58 |
| Ar-ras | :D | 20:58 |
| * penguinbait slaps Ar-ras around a bit with a large trout | 20:58 | |
| penguinbait | a large trout even | 20:58 |
| Ar-ras | hehe was just a joke :D | 20:58 |
| penguinbait | wipte that off, theres a little fish left on your face | 20:59 |
| penguinbait | :) | 20:59 |
| penguinbait | s/wipte/wipe | 20:59 |
| Ar-ras | If you want to shock #maemo then just mention Windows Mobile on N800 | 20:59 |
| Luria | anyone know the name of the asian IT "knockoff" | 21:00 |
| Luria | i remember it uses hildon and the old 624mhz arm | 21:00 |
| penguinbait | HTC? | 21:00 |
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| Luria | no, no | 21:00 |
| Luria | it comes with linux | 21:00 |
| penguinbait | it starts with H, I am blanking | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/14/samsungs-q1-umpc-down-to-580/ | 21:02 |
| penguinbait | wow | 21:02 |
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| ScreamingN800 | Really? I regularly bzip my vmware ones. You gotta fill the free space with nulls/spaces to do it but it really works well. Btw If anyone sees Thoughtfix, give him my apologies, I suggested getting an illicit id for the N810 image. Never thought it might be HIS that was gonna get hit. | 21:02 |
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| czr | ScreamingN800, you might be interested in zerotools | 21:03 |
| nwidger | hello! | 21:03 |
| czr | ScreamingN800, especially with sparse/growing disks | 21:03 |
| nwidger | so when are most people going to be getting their n810's? | 21:03 |
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| penguinbait | 580$ for that samsung is a great deal | 21:03 |
| czr | ScreamingN800, also, using rzip will generally yield much better compression with vms. but ymmv whether you want to use it really. | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only the screen resolution was actually reasonable for 7" | 21:05 |
| czr | ScreamingN800, http://koltsoff.com/pub/zerotools/ | 21:06 |
| nwidger | why isnt there a release date for the n810 anywhere on nokia's site? very frustrating. | 21:06 |
| Ar-ras | GeneralAntilles how is the current state of Overclocking N800? | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, haven't bothered to look into it. | 21:06 |
| ScreamingN800 | Pish! its a python one-liner. | 21:07 |
| ScreamingN800 | Or Ruby, b4 you say it. | 21:07 |
| penguinbait | http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/05/h9-umpc-runs-linux/ | 21:09 |
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| penguinbait | Luria | 21:09 |
| penguinbait | yabbas!! | 21:09 |
| Luria | thanks | 21:09 |
| penguinbait | Luria H9? | 21:09 |
| penguinbait | is that it | 21:09 |
| Luria | yeah | 21:09 |
| Luria | thats it | 21:09 |
| penguinbait | I knew it was H something | 21:09 |
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| penguinbait | it was driving me nuts | 21:10 |
| Luria | ah it runs the 520mhz pxa270 | 21:10 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: Kpersonalize is too large at startup :( I ended up minimizing it in the hopes it'd pop up - then realising nothing would happen. Had to reboot. | 21:10 |
| Luria | me too, for a couple of days | 21:10 |
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| penguinbait | yabbas, that why I usually provide a .kde folder :) | 21:10 |
| penguinbait | you can get through it by hitting enter using dpad | 21:10 |
| yabbas | I did, but there was a point in it where it wouldn't work ... possibly because I selected a different option in one of the windows. | 21:11 |
| yabbas | (silly me) | 21:11 |
| penguinbait | even though you can not see the bottom of the screen, alternatey from ssh you could start kpager at the same time | 21:11 |
| yabbas | gah - I should've thought of that | 21:11 |
| Luria | god thats a horrible font | 21:12 |
| Luria | what is it with east asia and horrible english fonts | 21:12 |
| yabbas | anyways, I loaded JuK and then whilst it was loading I went to the menu...kablam - kde crashed/system restarted | 21:12 |
| penguinbait | hmmm | 21:12 |
| Luria | its like ooh. we like courier, its like a typewriter, lets make it even worse | 21:13 |
| Luria | monospaced horrors ensue. | 21:13 |
| penguinbait | perhaps you need to fsck after your first reboot? | 21:13 |
| yabbas | Loaded again...."Knotify Problem - KNotify" -...During the previous startup Knotify crashed while instantiating Knotify. Do you wish to try again or disable aRts sound output? | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | yes, this is again something I usually fix | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | it is in the .kde usually | 21:14 |
| db48x | Luria: they end up that way because their own script is entirely monospaced | 21:14 |
| pupnik | Luria: that is indeed a mystery - why do asian websites have those giant courier texts | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | go to sound configuration and change from Autodetect to ESD "Enlightened Sound Daemo" | 21:14 |
| yabbas | JuK - "The KDE Crash handler" - The application JuK (juk) crashed and caused a signal 11 (SIGSEGV) | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | Daemon | 21:15 |
| yabbas | okies | 21:15 |
| Luria | ah. | 21:15 |
| Luria | arial unicode seems to work without monospacing | 21:15 |
| Luria | iirc | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | yabbas when Juk started did it prompt you to select some media directories? | 21:15 |
| yabbas | nope | 21:16 |
| yabbas | shall I alter any other sound options? | 21:16 |
| penguinbait | maybe the sound server being seyt wrong cause the problem | 21:16 |
| db48x | Luria: it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the font | 21:17 |
| penguinbait | , I raise arts priority on first tab also | 21:17 |
| yabbas | okies, setting now - gonan restart it and fsck "just in case" | 21:17 |
| Luria | true. | 21:17 |
| penguinbait | unlimited | 21:17 |
| Luria | just saying, the typefaces, monospaced or not, tend to be horrible. | 21:17 |
| db48x | you can sometimes find examples where a non-monospaced latin font was used inside an asian text | 21:17 |
| Luria | mostly a problem with chinese stuff, but korean stuff too. | 21:17 |
| db48x | the latin is still rendered as if it were monospaced, so that it doesn't throw the asian characters out of line | 21:18 |
| * yabbas logs out and waits for hildon | 21:18 | |
| ScreamingN800 | nini dinner calls. <licks lips> | 21:19 |
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| yabbas | hmm, very silly question - can I fsck the root dir while its mounted? | 21:21 |
| penguinbait | can or should | 21:21 |
| penguinbait | :) | 21:21 |
| penguinbait | I would go with no | 21:21 |
| TPC | mount it read-only | 21:21 |
| TPC | still not optimal, but better | 21:22 |
| TPC | mount -o remount,rw / | 21:22 |
| TPC | should do it | 21:22 |
| yabbas | bwah - booting into flash os | 21:23 |
| Luria | anyone know of a way to d/l the wayfinder maps out side of wayfinder? | 21:23 |
| Luria | usa east keeps dying after 70% | 21:23 |
| suihkulokki | do you have enough space? | 21:23 |
| Luria | im glad i dont have a bandwidth cap | 21:23 |
| Luria | yeah | 21:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You need more room on your card. | 21:24 |
| Luria | 830+mb | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use double the space as a baseline | 21:24 |
| Luria | ah | 21:24 |
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| Luria | ta | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine were failing with 950MB free | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Upped it to 1.5GB and it went find. | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | *fine | 21:24 |
| Luria | i guess i will have to find a 8gb sdhc in nyc today | 21:24 |
| Luria | class 6, at a decent price | 21:24 |
| Luria | i guess i could use ethereal to see where the maps are comping from.... | 21:25 |
| Luria | coming | 21:25 |
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| Luria | http://www.pocketables.net/2007/09/three-nokia-n80.html | 21:29 |
| konttori | Oh my god!!!! I have been able to upload ukmp to extras! | 21:40 |
| * konttori rofl (with joy) | 21:40 | |
| konttori | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/U/ | 21:40 |
| konttori | Now, how cool is that! | 21:41 |
| yabbas | konttori: nice one re ukmp :) | 21:42 |
| konttori | thanks. Finally, I can actually start having an updateable ukmp. wow. this is just so great. | 21:43 |
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| keesj | Hi | 21:43 |
| Luria | thank you for ukmp | 21:45 |
| konttori | thanks! you like it then? | 21:45 |
| yabbas | I think its safe to say we all love it :) | 21:45 |
| yabbas | hmm, refreshed the application manager and I can't see ukmp on the list. | 21:46 |
| konttori | great to hear that! | 21:46 |
| konttori | do you have chinook distribution | 21:46 |
| yabbas | yup | 21:46 |
| kaltsi | chinook/extras or just chinook? | 21:46 |
| disq | i prefer kagu myself. :P | 21:47 |
| konttori | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/U/ | 21:47 |
| disq | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/k/ | 21:47 |
| konttori | I don't know then why it's not showing in the AM | 21:47 |
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| yabbas | aye - kagu shows up | 21:47 |
| konttori | disq: I think you guys have been doing great job with kagu. | 21:47 |
| konttori | love it. | 21:47 |
| * yabbas is installing it now :) | 21:48 | |
| penguinbait | yabbas, juk working now/ | 21:48 |
| disq | there's no ukmp deb in chinook extras | 21:48 |
| penguinbait | ? | 21:48 |
| disq | it's just a dir | 21:48 |
| Luria | wait what | 21:48 |
| disq | has the wrong name too, should just be "UKMP" | 21:48 |
| konttori | yabbas: do you have ukmp1.70beta already installed? | 21:48 |
| Luria | no media player trout slapping duel? | 21:48 |
| kaltsi | that dir name should not have .deb in it.. hm | 21:49 |
| yabbas | penguinbait: fixed a few orphaned inodes . . . loaded kde; but err...it didn't shut down matchbox :D so now I have a hybridfreak of matchbox and teh KDE menubar | 21:49 |
| yabbas | konttori: nope, no ukmp installed at all | 21:49 |
| konttori | ahh. | 21:49 |
| konttori | hmm.. /me is checking | 21:50 |
| konttori | I uploaded ukmp to bora as well: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/U/ | 21:51 |
| yabbas | sound is working in kde - which it wasn't before...juk has loaded. and asked for a folders list :) | 21:51 |
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| Tak | wtf - did you use dput to upload these? | 21:51 |
| disq | konttori: your bora upload is borked too. yeah, should use dput | 21:51 |
| czr | _Monkey, ukmp? | 21:51 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it ukmp is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp | 21:51 |
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| * lophyte is eager to try KDE but doesn't have a spare mmc card | 21:53 | |
| K`zan | Me too on KDE :-), how big a card does one need? | 21:53 |
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| K`zan | 4G, I hope will do :) | 21:53 |
| yabbas | 4G should be good | 21:54 |
| K`zan | !!! | 21:54 |
| K`zan | Sitting here waiting for FEDEX :) | 21:54 |
| yabbas | 2GB should do too :) | 21:54 |
| K`zan | Patiently... | 21:54 |
| K`zan | me arse :-) | 21:54 |
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| Tak | at least you're not waiting for UPS | 21:54 |
| K`zan | Only got 1 4G and a couple 1G for now. | 21:54 |
| lophyte | I've got a 2gb with music on it and a 1gb | 21:54 |
| Tak | you'd be waiting longer, and your tablet would be broken when it finally arrived | 21:55 |
| lophyte | if I had another 2gb or a 4gb... | 21:55 |
| K`zan | No sh*t, I avoid shipping UPS or USPS in any way possible, | 21:55 |
| K`zan | I splurged for 2 day... | 21:55 |
| K`zan | UPS's idea of delivery is to toss it out inside the apartment door and you hope you get there before the neighborhood thugs... | 21:56 |
| K`zan | Got real attitudes too. | 21:56 |
| K`zan | What, you actually expect me to deliver it to *you*... | 21:56 |
| K`zan | Yeah, just a bit disappointed with those folks. | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | My experience is that FedEx is shit | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I ALWAYS get my packages on time and in good shape from UPS. | 21:57 |
| K`zan | Prolly depends on the driver. | 21:57 |
| lophyte | I've never had a problem with any couriers | 21:57 |
| konttori | disq: I don't have dput on osx | 21:57 |
| lophyte | USPS, UPS, FedEx... | 21:57 |
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| K`zan | Here we have ONE USPS person who is great. The other various ethnics can't get it right on a bet. | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The drivers always deliver it to the office if you're not home here. | 21:57 |
| K`zan | Same block seems to make the local drivers happy... | 21:58 |
| K`zan | Or they have something going with the neighborhood thugs, who knows. | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want transporters already. ;) | 21:58 |
| K`zan | Me tooo! | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, even better, bittorrent for matter. :D | 21:58 |
| K`zan | LOL | 21:59 |
| Tak | atomtorrent | 21:59 |
| K`zan | Where IS this guy? Will probably arrive at 1629 :-/. | 21:59 |
| konttori | disq: if you have any idea what might be the problem, I would really appreciate it | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You did it wrong. | 21:59 |
| K`zan | Wonder if I'll get 2006 or 2007 on this one. | 21:59 |
| konttori | I use: scp * konttori@garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras/incoming/bora | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2007 | 21:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as 2006 for the N800 | 22:00 |
| K`zan | Hope so! | 22:00 |
| K`zan | Got 190 apps to try out :). | 22:00 |
| konttori | dir containt ukmp deb, changes and dsc | 22:00 |
| Tak | you're doing it wrong. | 22:00 |
| K`zan | Ah, good news. When I get a really great price I worry about getting real old stuck, but buy.com has a pretty decent rep. | 22:00 |
| K`zan | stuck/stick | 22:01 |
| konttori | tak: what do you mean? | 22:01 |
| K`zan | argh | 22:01 |
| K`zan | stuck/stock | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I've got 2 friends who ordered N800s from buy.com and they're both fine. ;) | 22:01 |
| Tak | one of my cow orkers got an N800 from buy.com as well | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cow orkers! | 22:01 |
| K`zan | Best deal out there. | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds freaky. | 22:02 |
| kaltsi | m00 | 22:02 |
| K`zan | LOL, USB milking machine on it :) | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it goes under $200 on Buy, I'm getting a 2nd one. | 22:02 |
| K`zan | I suspect my roomie will want one once she sees it. | 22:02 |
| K`zan | Beat hell out of her old Palm. | 22:02 |
| K`zan | And doesn't cost that much more now. | 22:03 |
| erstazi | buy.com is awesome! | 22:03 |
| K`zan | Shame one couldn't get the associate discount and the google checkout one, that would make it 208... | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:03 |
| K`zan | I've been a newegg person mostly, but watching buy.com more closely after the HUGE difference in price for the n800 | 22:04 |
| K`zan | Then again, not sure I would really want to deal with google where $$$ were concerned :-/. | 22:04 |
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| erstazi | GeneralAntilles: $228.99 | 22:04 |
| erstazi | GeneralAntilles: thats relatively not bad! | 22:05 |
| K`zan | Not shabby at all! | 22:05 |
| erstazi | K`zan: I like newegg.com myself | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was down to $212 with the discount at one point. | 22:05 |
| erstazi | K`zan: this box is 100% newegg | 22:05 |
| K`zan | erstazi: They have done me well, I can't complain. | 22:05 |
| K`zan | This one too with the exception of the MB. | 22:05 |
| erstazi | minus the dual layer burner | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles 's box is mostly Apple, plus a lot of newegg. :P | 22:06 | |
| erstazi | I didn't feel like buying another and kids start thinking to burn everything in dual layer, thats expensive | 22:06 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: you have my condolences :). I threw all my apple stuff in the dumpster about 5 years ago now. If they had OSX then they might have saved me :). | 22:07 |
| erstazi | K`zan: google checkout isn't too horrible, but if they price of the n800 drops, I will definitely get it | 22:07 |
| erstazi | the worse apple product I ever use was G3.. 200 of them | 22:07 |
| K`zan | Hummm, might be nice to have an array of n800s :-) | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 22:07 |
| konttori | hmm.. should the .deb .dsc and .changes files have execute permissions? | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I <3 mah Apple | 22:07 |
| erstazi | the G4's are awesome though | 22:08 |
| konttori | I have only: -rw-r--r-- | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still have my old Performa 400 from back in the day. | 22:08 |
| K`zan | Those little lollypop machines are cheap enough on ebay and could be useful... | 22:08 |
| kaltsi | konttori: no | 22:08 |
| K`zan | The all in one in all the candyapple colors... | 22:08 |
| K`zan | Forget the name now. | 22:08 |
| kaltsi | konttori: the .dsc and .changes are text files and the .deb is akin to a zip file | 22:08 |
| erstazi | konttori: are you having packaging problems? | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | iMac | 22:08 |
| K`zan | That's it. | 22:08 |
| erstazi | yes | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better off with a Mac Mini | 22:08 |
| konttori | yeah. I am having. | 22:08 |
| konttori | mac mini. | 22:09 |
| K`zan | Better off with a PC :-). | 22:09 |
| erstazi | the iMac G3 made me have nightmares | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boloney. ;) | 22:09 |
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| erstazi | konttori: since these tablets are debian-based.. you could refer to any distro that is debian based and how they package | 22:09 |
| K`zan | If I had all the $$$ I whizzed away on macs and mac stuff, I'd have a supercomputing cluster here now :) | 22:09 |
| kaltsi | konttori did you follow these instructions (adapting for chinook of course) http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html | 22:09 |
| konttori | I don't have debsign nor dput on osx | 22:10 |
| konttori | I use scp to upload and do the .changes and .dsc files manually | 22:10 |
| kaltsi | doh.. you could run ubuntu in vmware fusion just to upload stuff :) | 22:10 |
| disq | konttori: can't you get debsign and dput on osx? | 22:10 |
| konttori | Yeah, been thinking about that | 22:11 |
| konttori | I haven't been able to locate them | 22:11 |
| disq | konttori: my friend's even running GTK programs on his macbook | 22:11 |
| kaltsi | I have mac mini and vmware/ubuntu works like a dream | 22:11 |
| konttori | I really have wanted to not to have to start using a VM just to upload. | 22:12 |
| kaltsi | yea it's a bit of an overkill | 22:13 |
| kaltsi | maybe you could upload them from the device... | 22:13 |
| K`zan | Fraidy Cat just caught his first bird :-). How exciting... | 22:14 |
| tko | http://packages.debian.org/{dput,devscripts} | 22:14 |
| K`zan | Bird is OK | 22:14 |
| kaltsi | devscripts is in the sdk repository | 22:14 |
| K`zan | Fraidy is a catch and releasr kinda boy :-). | 22:14 |
| konttori | I'll try to see if I can dl dput to the device | 22:14 |
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| maddler | evening all... | 22:15 |
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| konttori | I just don't understand why the upload completes just nicely and that the repository adds: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/U/ | 22:16 |
| konttori | the ukmp deb there, but makes is a dir instead on actually storing the file. | 22:16 |
| konttori | if the file md5 would not be correct, could that be the explanation? | 22:17 |
| erstazi | what are some good bt gps units? I am looking for good suggestions because just grabbing one off a site isn't helpful | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737/757 | 22:18 |
| tko | the structure is supposed to be something like <first character of source package>/<source package>/<source package>_<version+arch>.deb | 22:18 |
| tko | and debian package names are all lowercase | 22:18 |
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| kaltsi | konttori what's the name of the package and what's in your .dsc and .changes files? | 22:20 |
| yabbas | erstazi: Anything SiRF3 based; or that other chipset (was it MK?) | 22:21 |
| |R | MK yep | 22:21 |
| konttori | http://pastebin.com/m6fca0eab | 22:21 |
| |R | MTK | 22:21 |
| yabbas | that's the one :) | 22:21 |
| konttori | these are the dsc and changes files | 22:21 |
| |R | yep ;) | 22:21 |
| tko | konttori: they look broken :) | 22:22 |
| konttori | really? | 22:22 |
| konttori | oh. good. | 22:22 |
| * |R waiting for an Holux M-1200 | 22:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd go with MTK over SiRFIII these days. | 22:22 |
| kaltsi | yea.. b0rk | 22:22 |
| tko | or hmm.. maybe I'm thinking debian/control | 22:22 |
| yabbas | I've never tried MTK - but heard good things. tbh bpth chipsets come up trumps. | 22:22 |
| kaltsi | I think the changes should have the libs/optional type thingy there too.. of course something else than libs in this case | 22:23 |
| konttori | I put the fields based on: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html | 22:23 |
| kaltsi | did something create those files for you? | 22:24 |
| konttori | Nope | 22:24 |
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| tko | Source and Binary fields are not supposed to contain version numbers or .deb suffix afaik | 22:24 |
| tko | konttori: use dpkg-buildpackage, it generates files in right format | 22:25 |
| kaltsi | and the binary should have the architecture there somewhere | 22:25 |
| konttori | it has: Architecture: any | 22:25 |
| kaltsi | the name of the deb should indicate the architectre | 22:25 |
| konttori | is that required or just nice? | 22:26 |
| kaltsi | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/c/cairomm/ | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | MTK is a little less power hungry and a little cheaper. | 22:26 |
| kaltsi | take a look at those | 22:26 |
| yabbas | hmmm | 22:27 |
| kaltsi | plus the .changes file is somehow wrong | 22:27 |
| kaltsi | I've never done them by hand.. always with dpkg-buildpackage | 22:27 |
| konttori | ahh.. so, I rename it as _all then | 22:27 |
| kaltsi | holdon a sec.. let's look for a nice .changes for you | 22:28 |
| yabbas | disq: still here? | 22:28 |
| _Monkey | here is a list: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned | 22:28 |
| kaltsi | konttori http://pastebin.com/m2f2e18cc | 22:29 |
| yabbas | disq: Kagu not loading: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./kagu.py", line 25, in <module> if remote.remote(sys.argv): sys.exit(0) File "/usr/lib/kagu/remote.py", line 15, in remote os.mkfifo(FIFO) #create fifo OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory | 22:29 |
| kaltsi | konttori: see the files lines.. they have that 'graphics optional' part there too | 22:29 |
| konttori | what does that mean? | 22:30 |
| konttori | and are those in the dsc as well? | 22:30 |
| konttori | (also, is dsc mandatory?) | 22:30 |
| kaltsi | it's mandatory for the upload | 22:30 |
| konttori | ahh | 22:31 |
| tko | dpkg-buildpackage creates the .dsc file automatically for you | 22:31 |
| tko | IIRC dput creates the changes, though I could be wrong | 22:31 |
| kaltsi | here's the .dsc http://pastebin.com/mc4b202a | 22:31 |
| disq | yabbas: not running kagu as root, right? | 22:31 |
| disq | yabbas: i'm afk for a few, join #kagu | 22:32 |
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| kaltsi | konttori the 'graphics optional' is some sort of a category where your software belongs to.. this shows up in the application manager for example.. those categories are listed somewhere | 22:32 |
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| kaltsi | in your case it wouldn't be graphics ofcoz, but it could be 'optional' | 22:32 |
| kaltsi | and those numbers in the Files: part are of course md5 sums | 22:33 |
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| Ar-ras | libgpg error | 22:38 |
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| Ar-ras | whats that mean? | 22:38 |
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| konttori | kaltsi: thanks for the graphics optional explanation. helps a lot. | 22:39 |
| konttori | I just made new upload test. | 22:39 |
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| kaltsi | konttori the package name must be completely in lower case characters as required here: | 22:45 |
| kaltsi | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Package | 22:45 |
| kaltsi | a good name would be: ukmp-1.70 | 22:46 |
| konttori | thanks | 22:46 |
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| kaltsi | then the debian/changelog file has to have that there too.. it's really picky.. it would be best if you could use some tool to do the packaging :-/ | 22:47 |
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| kaltsi | is this more a python or a mac problem? | 22:47 |
| konttori | This is more of a ME problem. | 22:49 |
| kaltsi | :) | 22:50 |
| konttori | Because I didn't do it the first time with buildpackage, I'm now stuck with having to make it happen this way. | 22:50 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 22:51 |
| penguinbait | yabbas? so your working now? | 22:51 |
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| kaltsi | maemo.org died? | 22:59 |
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| penguinbait | its back | 23:01 |
| Ar-ras | RIP maemo.org | 23:01 |
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| Ar-ras | Lazarus woke up | 23:01 |
| penguinbait | he had a little help | 23:01 |
| penguinbait | :) | 23:01 |
| penguinbait | and gone again | 23:02 |
| kaltsi | game over maan, game over! | 23:03 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait did you flashed your N800 to OS 2008? | 23:03 |
| penguinbait | yes | 23:03 |
| Ar-ras | is in xterm, when you want to use the thumbkeyboard, as text "home.html" ? | 23:04 |
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| penguinbait | what do you mean? | 23:04 |
| Ar-ras | When i use xterm | 23:04 |
| Ar-ras | and press this button in the middle of the Dpad | 23:04 |
| Ar-ras | and get the virtual thumbkeyboard | 23:05 |
| Ar-ras | i have this as default value :-( | 23:05 |
| Ar-ras | home.html | 23:05 |
| penguinbait | home.html | 23:05 |
| Ar-ras | yes | 23:05 |
| penguinbait | I do not understand, I am starting xterm now | 23:05 |
| Ar-ras | same at your N800? | 23:05 |
| Ar-ras | ok | 23:05 |
| lophyte | Ar-ras, do you have that on your clipboard? | 23:06 |
| lophyte | or typed into the term? | 23:06 |
| penguinbait | no problem here | 23:06 |
| Ar-ras | not in my clipboard | 23:06 |
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| Ar-ras | oh now its gone | 23:06 |
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| lophyte | I wanna update to OS2008 but I'm a bit weary | 23:07 |
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| Ar-ras | ok then it is fine ;) | 23:07 |
| lophyte | is there a way to boot it from an external disk rather than flashing? | 23:07 |
| Ar-ras | sucked last time ;) | 23:07 |
| penguinbait | lophyte, if you want to load 2008 to play thats ok, but if you want to use it for daily use I would wait for official release | 23:08 |
| penguinbait | On 770 you could boot from USB, not sure on n800 | 23:08 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait has right | 23:08 |
| lophyte | ah | 23:08 |
| lophyte | I'll wait then | 23:09 |
| lophyte | its not too long to wait, December is next month | 23:09 |
| Ar-ras | not enough applications for satisfiing entertainment | 23:09 |
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| khertan | maemo.org is dead again ? | 23:09 |
| penguinbait | save yourself the headache, besides more apps should be ready by the time official release | 23:09 |
| lophyte | cool | 23:09 |
| Ar-ras | e.g. skype... | 23:10 |
| penguinbait | Is skype working on n800 2008OS | 23:10 |
| penguinbait | I saw it listed in app manager but did not try | 23:10 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait do you if they add webcam support into skype? | 23:10 |
| khertan | doesn't work | 23:11 |
| penguinbait | dont know, I thought it was advertised, but not sure | 23:11 |
| Ar-ras | hope dies at least | 23:11 |
| Ar-ras | :D | 23:11 |
| penguinbait | hope does or hope dies? | 23:12 |
| Ar-ras | who knows... | 23:13 |
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| penguinbait | hehe | 23:19 |
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| * lophyte ponders buying a 4GB mmc | 23:26 | |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait Iphone is better than Maemo :O | 23:26 |
| Ar-ras | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MfQIswl3k | 23:26 |
| lophyte | ew | 23:26 |
| lophyte | iphone | 23:26 |
| _Monkey | iphone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens | 23:26 |
| * lophyte gags | 23:26 | |
| lophyte | good call monkey | 23:26 |
| Ar-ras | lophyte look the youtube video :O | 23:26 |
| suihkulokki | lock me in baby, lock me harder | 23:27 |
| * lophyte attaches padlocks around suihkulokki's ankles | 23:27 | |
| penguinbait | iphone is a phone and does not run KDE | 23:27 |
| penguinbait | so not better :) | 23:27 |
| lophyte | haha | 23:27 |
| |R | ahah | 23:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | btw, the guys out there running os2008 have tried skype and know if it comes with video support ? | 23:28 |
| lophyte | yeah that's one of the reasons i got the n800 | 23:28 |
| lophyte | its linux :) | 23:28 |
| lophyte | I was thinking about getting an Asus EEE but I wanted something small | 23:29 |
| penguinbait | I can fill my n800 up with beer also | 23:29 |
| maddler | iPhone is NOT an network oriented device... | 23:29 |
| penguinbait | but then I have to wait for it to dry out | 23:29 |
| Ar-ras | penguinbait write a program :D | 23:29 |
| * lophyte doesn't like any product made my Apple that starts with 'i' | 23:29 | |
| suihkulokki | so macbook is ok? :) | 23:30 |
| lophyte | they're not bad | 23:30 |
| derf | I like the Apple IIGS. | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | iMac's are pretty hot. ;) | 23:30 |
| penguinbait | Well I like Guiness, so that would just be a black screen | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | *-' | 23:30 |
| lophyte | I still wouldn't buy one tough | 23:30 |
| penguinbait | mine fills up everytime I turn it off, or lock it | 23:30 |
| penguinbait | yellow beer looks like carbonated piss | 23:31 |
| josephus | Is this a common issue with qemu? http://pastie.caboo.se/118941 These tools work fine on x86, compiling and running them in sbox give me these errors. (I dont have access to a real device right now) | 23:31 |
| kaltsi | josephus: yep normal.. qemu is not for running apps | 23:32 |
| kaltsi | it's just for building them | 23:32 |
| kulve | josephus: qemu tries to emulate arm cpu, and will never be perfect in it.. | 23:32 |
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| penguinbait | maemo.org is still down!! | 23:35 |
| penguinbait | no its not, I had https in there :( | 23:35 |
| kaltsi | it's not the most stable website I've used | 23:35 |
| penguinbait | its up | 23:35 |
| kaltsi | not for me | 23:35 |
| penguinbait | and gone | 23:36 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 23:36 |
| penguinbait | Its Friday and my bosss is gone, I am outa here | 23:36 |
| penguinbait | see ya | 23:36 |
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| kaltsi | bye | 23:37 |
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| maddler | dum deee daaa... | 23:46 |
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| kulve | how come the *.maemo.org site has some problems all the time? It has been like this from the day one. | 23:49 |
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| maddler | kulve: dunno... but lately it looks even worse than before... | 23:52 |
| maddler | who knows... | 23:52 |
| Andy80 | hi maddler :) | 23:53 |
| maddler | oila` Andy80! :D | 23:54 |
| maddler | Andy80: just got my N810 here! | 23:54 |
| lophyte | bah | 23:55 |
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| * lophyte wishes he would've waited for an N810 | 23:55 | |
| maddler | hehehe... just joking... :) | 23:55 |
| bill20r3 | lucky you. | 23:55 |
| Andy80 | maddler: whhhaaaattt??? | 23:55 |
| maddler | Andy80: :DDDDDDD | 23:55 |
| Andy80 | ah ;) | 23:55 |
| maddler | hehehehe | 23:55 |
| Andy80 | one quick question: has maemo.org any problem? for example... if you try to visit a profile, an error occurs: http://maemo.org/profile/view/andy80 | 23:58 |
| kaltsi | quick answer: yes | 23:58 |
| maddler | Andy80: yep... | 23:58 |
| maddler | hehe | 23:58 |
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| |R | Andy80 : it is _very_ buggy ;) | 23:59 |
| derf | They worked yesterday. | 23:59 |
| maddler | oh... Andy80... shame on you!!! you have not a MaemoPeople blog!!! | 23:59 |
| maddler | :DDD | 23:59 |
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