| |R | ok, should i get any binaries with this? | 00:00 |
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| |R | xephyr is running fine but all the menu are empty except for the hello world in control panel? | 00:00 |
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| kaltsi | I think that's it.. you need to fill it with apps | 00:00 |
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| * |R wonders how to pop the thumb keyboard with a mouse :P | 00:02 | |
| czr | |R, the vdso thingy fixed it? | 00:02 |
| czr | |R, you need to click on an text input field. | 00:03 |
| czr | unless VKB is missing for 4.0 SDK proper release like it was in the beta. | 00:03 |
| |R | czr : yeah for scratchbox part... but i had to figure out that make-kpkg (for redoing the nvidia module) was incompatible with paravirtualisation in .config :) | 00:03 |
| |R | czr : if i click on a text input in get the keyboard, but the stylus one | 00:03 |
| |R | czr : (not that important mind you, just wondering ;) | 00:03 |
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| czr | ah. hmm. don't remember. | 00:04 |
| |R | ah, still a red pill hehe | 00:04 |
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| tko | |R: you can configure IM so that select key always pops up the fullscreen keyboard. not sure if it's possible with mouse. maybe with middle-button | 00:05 |
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| * |R needs an xterm ;) | 00:08 | |
| czr | osso-xterm thingy | 00:08 |
| |R | yep | 00:09 |
| |R | it's not in apt-cache search, i guess i should get the bora one? | 00:09 |
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| |R | oh wait, i need x86 binaries ? | 00:09 |
| czr | yes. don't use the ARMEL for anything else but building software | 00:10 |
| |R | k | 00:10 |
| czr | (there are known issues with it currently) | 00:10 |
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| kaltsi | osso-xterm is on the device by default | 00:10 |
| czr | kaltsi, it is? IT2008, right? | 00:11 |
| kaltsi | yep | 00:11 |
| czr | finally. | 00:11 |
| * czr yays | 00:11 | |
| |R | :D | 00:11 |
| Atarii | which version? | 00:11 |
| |R | geekness for the people! | 00:11 |
| |R | :P | 00:11 |
| |R | but it doesn't come with the SDK it seems | 00:12 |
| |R | find / -name *xterm only returns termcaps etc | 00:12 |
| czr | apt-cache search xterm | 00:12 |
| |R | only finds ncurses-base | 00:12 |
| kaltsi | it's based on maemo hackers version | 00:12 |
| |R | so everyone will get an xterm in their menu? | 00:12 |
| kaltsi | R it's not in the sdk repository because it's on the device already | 00:12 |
| czr | kaltsi, err. there's no xterm with the sdk? | 00:13 |
| |R | kaltsi : ok si if i want to use it in the SDK..? | 00:13 |
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| suihkulokki | I thought this was supposed to be a more mainstream (as opposed to geek) device than the previous edition :) | 00:13 |
| czr | that's plain silly. | 00:13 |
| kaltsi | yep no xterm there.. do file an enhancement request and it will probably be there :) | 00:14 |
| |R | argh :P | 00:14 |
| czr | silly. | 00:14 |
| * |R wonders why the SDK isn't setuped like the real thing .. | 00:14 | |
| kaltsi | the bugzilla is nothing to phear about.. | 00:14 |
| czr | |R, because it's not a device emulator? | 00:15 |
| czr | it's an SDK? | 00:15 |
| |R | uhm, ok, i'm new to all this ;) | 00:15 |
| czr | OTOH, it would be very nice if it even would contain some of the stuff on the device. but it doesn't. | 00:15 |
| kaltsi | there are all kinds of funny/frustrating legal reasons why a lot of the things can't be in the sdk | 00:16 |
| |R | ok | 00:16 |
| czr | I wonder how android will deal with this issue though. | 00:17 |
| |R | uhm actually it seems that i'm running arm binaries | 00:21 |
| czr | what's the prompt like? | 00:21 |
| kaltsi | R if you have the ARMEL target then yes.. change to i386 :) | 00:22 |
| |R | uh urhm! :P | 00:23 |
| * |R is in sb-menu which he heard of somewhere ... :P | 00:23 | |
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| |R | ahh here you go :) | 00:23 |
| tko | czr: I'm expecting normal cross-compilation | 00:24 |
| tko | when you don't have tons of random autohell things to build, cross-compilation the normal way probably just work | 00:25 |
| czr | tko, I'm more interested in whether there will be an SDK targetted at 3rd party directly, or just some kind of framework for people to possibly build SDKs. | 00:25 |
| * czr nods | 00:25 | |
| czr | but I guess we'll all see soon. | 00:25 |
| suihkulokki | tko: android apps are java methinks -> no crosscompiling probs :P | 00:25 |
| czr | eww | 00:26 |
| tko | I'm waiting until Monday | 00:26 |
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| |R | uhm, trying to configure http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.14.mh1.tar.gz & make ;) | 00:32 |
| |R | but configure says i don't have VTE :| (wth?) | 00:32 |
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| kaltsi | you'd need libvte4-dev or something | 00:34 |
| |R | these are needed in my system or in scratchbox? | 00:35 |
| kaltsi | depends if you're trying to compile it in scratchbox? | 00:35 |
| kaltsi | in that case it needs to be there :) | 00:36 |
| |R | ok :) | 00:36 |
| |R | I'm starting to get it ;) | 00:36 |
| kaltsi | in chinook all the sdk stuff is not compilable yet.. that's a requirement candidate for the next sdk release | 00:36 |
| |R | what do you mean? | 00:37 |
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| kaltsi | I mean that you can use the sdk to develop your own software just fine, but you can't recompile all the programs in the sdk with the packages that come with the sdk | 00:37 |
| |R | oh, as in, the basic library have to be installed by hand etc...? | 00:38 |
| kaltsi | hmm I didn't get that.. :) | 00:39 |
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| |R | uhm | 00:40 |
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| |R | i mean, i don't understand... if you can compile your own stuff, what is the difference with the sdk stuff ? (unless it's a proprietary binary?) | 00:41 |
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| kaltsi | it's hard to say when I don't have a concrete example of something but it goes somehow like this: SDK provides a package X which depends on libY.. package libY is in the SDK so that you can install and run X, but package libY-dev is not in SDK, so you cannot recompile X | 00:41 |
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| |R | oh ok | 00:41 |
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| |R | but i could add libY-dev by hand | 00:41 |
| kaltsi | BUT the sources to libY are with the SDK so you can recompile libY and het libY-dev and add that yourself.. yes | 00:41 |
| kaltsi | s/het/get | 00:41 |
| |R | ok, good | 00:42 |
| |R | :) | 00:42 |
| * |R is going to have to finish this sunday evening/monday... running away for the weekend | 00:42 | |
| kaltsi | hav fun :) | 00:42 |
| |R | Well thanks for all your help (everyone!) :) | 00:42 |
| |R | you too :) | 00:42 |
| czr | |R, welcome to the club. | 00:43 |
| |R | :) | 00:43 |
| czr | now you'll understand much more of the ironical things on this channel ;-) | 00:43 |
| czr | or maybe not yet. but soon. | 00:43 |
| |R | haha | 00:43 |
| czr | |R, did you sub to the mailing list yet? | 00:43 |
| |R | no? | 00:43 |
| czr | maemo-devel? | 00:43 |
| czr | subscribe to it | 00:43 |
| czr | a lot of the new software is announced there. | 00:44 |
| |R | ok :) | 00:44 |
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| FMz | Hrmm... can't find Xterm in the application list... =/ | 00:59 |
| * czr hibernaes -> | 00:59 | |
| czr | s/naes/nates/ | 01:00 |
| FMz | Any ideas why there aren't any terminals installable? | 01:01 |
| daniels | http://www.google.com/search?q=osso-xterm | 01:07 |
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| playya | is the maemo file manager closed source? | 01:07 |
| p| | is possible to use php with a webserver on n800 ? | 01:07 |
| daniels | playya: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/source/h/hildon-fm/ | 01:08 |
| daniels | p|: no | 01:08 |
| daniels | (by which i mean, yes.) | 01:08 |
| playya | ahhh | 01:08 |
| playya | hildon fm | 01:08 |
| playya | i remember | 01:08 |
| tko | playya: the app is, but the bulk of the code is in hildon-fm anyway | 01:09 |
| playya | ok | 01:09 |
| playya | is there a function/method to get the list of file in vfs? | 01:10 |
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| Jiten | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0awjPUkBXOU the comment at the end cracked me up :) | 01:38 |
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| p| | :-O : http://n800.gotdns.org/index.php | 01:52 |
| p| | :) | 01:52 |
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| rhykin | when is os2008 suppose to release? | 02:37 |
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| astro76 | mid November, when the i810 is available for sale | 02:39 |
| astro76 | n810 | 02:39 |
| tko | "real soon now" ? | 02:39 |
| Luria | 15th is the most likely date i've heard, fwiw | 02:40 |
| rhykin | i hope they improve EAS-TLS support :( | 02:41 |
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| astro76 | I'm wondering if it will support dynamic WEP | 02:43 |
| rhykin | EAP-TLS* | 02:45 |
| rhykin | that took awhile.. | 02:45 |
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| lopz | re | 03:01 |
| db48x | I need a stylus that will light up and beep when I press a button on my n800 | 03:01 |
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| rhykin | lol | 03:02 |
| l7 | I need a stylus that will make pancakes | 03:05 |
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| ds3 | shouldn't be too hard to make a lightup stylus ;) | 03:09 |
| rhykin | is there a way to specify a ca certificate | 03:11 |
| rhykin | maybe in a config file? | 03:12 |
| rhykin | i can choose a user certificate with the gui, but i dont know where it stores the configuratio information for the cartificates/wireless setups | 03:12 |
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| rhykin | can anyone enlighten me? :) | 03:14 |
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| shackan | rhykin: you can import certificates from the control panel | 03:15 |
| rhykin | shackan: right | 03:15 |
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| rhykin | shackan: however, when I'm trying to connect to a EAP-TLS wireless network, i would need to let the configuration know what CA certificate to use | 03:16 |
| rhykin | shackan: it allows me to choose the user certificate (in the gui) but not the ca certificate | 03:16 |
| shackan | oh | 03:16 |
| shackan | rhykin: I've got the same problem with PEAP authentication :( | 03:16 |
| rhykin | heh, damn | 03:16 |
| rhykin | there's no configuration that maemo sets up when you create a wireless configuration? | 03:17 |
| shackan | yes, of course | 03:17 |
| shackan | I remember reading a backup and finding out it's stored in some gconf keys | 03:18 |
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| shackan | maybe you can install gconf editor and see for yourself (that's just what I remember tough, not really sure about it) | 03:19 |
| rhykin | k | 03:19 |
| * db48x swears a bit at his n800 | 03:21 | |
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| rhykin | shackan: heh, now i have to find a way to install it | 03:23 |
| rhykin | downloads.maemo.org was just revamped wasnt it | 03:24 |
| Luria | if revamped means really slow, then yeah :-) | 03:24 |
| rhykin | haha | 03:24 |
| Luria | plus lots of broken tcp connects, certainly. | 03:25 |
| rhykin | now | 03:27 |
| rhykin | is there any way to get programs to install on the sd card | 03:27 |
| rhykin | and not the internal memory? | 03:28 |
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| rhykin | also, does becomeroot work for the n800's? | 03:39 |
| rhykin | since its os'06? | 03:39 |
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| rhykin | nvm | 04:07 |
| ds3 | has there been any progress with the 770/800 GPL wifi driver using the freemac stuff since Apr 2006? | 04:12 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 04:25 |
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| |R | anyone has any estimate on the discount availability? | 04:35 |
| |R | (and the shipping speed afterward...) | 04:35 |
| |R | (anyone else applied, got it, but is not in a listed country and is going to ship it to a friend? ;) | 04:36 |
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| ds3 | hmmm I seem to be stumping everyone today :( | 04:41 |
| |R | :( | 04:43 |
| |R | i wish there was one, but i can't help on the matter :( | 04:43 |
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| Solarion | did the device discount code mailer program have difficulties? I got a weird HTML page sent as text/plain | 05:14 |
| pofesin | when i try and download files, it claims im low on memory... no matter where i try and save the file. | 05:17 |
| pofesin | n800 btw | 05:17 |
| pofesin | any ideas? | 05:17 |
| pofesin | hm. | 05:18 |
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| |R | Solarion /clear | 05:25 |
| |R | oops | 05:25 |
| |R | Solarion : here it is fine | 05:25 |
| |R | but many people seem to complain about this :) | 05:25 |
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| lopz | re | 06:03 |
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| rhykin | hm | 06:25 |
| rhykin | i see chinook has been officially released | 06:25 |
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| nelson | Solarion: yes, I got the weird HTML followed by plain text also. | 07:29 |
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| |R | On gmail it came out fine (is anyone having this problem with gmail?) | 07:30 |
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| unique311 | friday night...well saturday morning in a couple of minutes...no firm upgrade. | 07:49 |
| unique311 | sucks....next week it is then. | 07:49 |
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| lopz | bye | 08:39 |
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| _matthias_ | woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo N810 accepted! | 09:34 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:13 |
| Jaffa | _matthias_: cool, congrats | 10:13 |
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| kulve | any words about the camera quality in n810 compared to n800? | 10:48 |
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| slack | hi there! | 11:43 |
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| p| | Buongiorno | Morning ! | 12:00 |
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| slack | hello :) | 12:05 |
| sciboy | Hi. =D | 12:09 |
| Jaffa | BTW, is it possible to upgrade a Chinook beta SDK to the final version? | 12:21 |
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| czr | jaffa, the little birds have told me that this shouldn't be attempted. | 12:24 |
| czr | haven't tried it myself though. | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | Bah. Well that's just annoying. | 12:25 |
| czr | indeed. | 12:25 |
| czr | I blame it on the little birds. | 12:25 |
| p| | any way to use PAN connection with latest OS2007 | 12:25 |
| p| | ? | 12:26 |
| p| | (since it doesn't have bnep.ko module :-\) | 12:27 |
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| maddler | whois p| | 12:35 |
| maddler | whops :D | 12:35 |
| maddler | monring everyone! :D | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | 'lo maddler | 12:35 |
| maddler | buongiorno p|! ;) | 12:35 |
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| Jaffa | Mrs Jaffa says I've got to order a new memory card for my N810 today :) | 12:39 |
| p| | ciao maddler :) | 12:40 |
| maddler | Jaffa: lol! :D | 12:46 |
| maddler | p|: :) | 12:46 |
| maddler | Jaffa: at this point I don't know how many memory cards I have... | 12:46 |
| maddler | Jaffa: I guess some 10... or so... | 12:46 |
| maddler | phone... n800... nds... n810... | 12:47 |
| * Jaffa is trying to work out the cheapest, largest Mini or Micro SD card | 12:47 | |
| Jaffa | Probably 4GB or 8GB | 12:47 |
| maddler | SandDisk 4GB SDHC ~50E here... | 12:47 |
| Jaffa | URL? | 12:47 |
| maddler | shop after the corner... :D | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | :) | 12:48 |
| maddler | but if you wish I could ship it to you... | 12:48 |
| maddler | not a problem... | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | I've found ones about 30ukp - so about 50eur | 12:48 |
| maddler | yep | 12:48 |
| maddler | I'm considering to buy one for my MP3 player as well... | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?origin=gbase8.2&prodID=B84971 looks quite like a bargain | 12:49 |
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| tux2 | hello | 12:56 |
| tux2 | maemo planet | 12:56 |
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| tux2 | 12:58 | |
| tux2 | I want to write about news maemo planet but I do not know how to do? I'm Italian developer & blogger maemo, register from time on maemo.org | 12:58 |
| tux2 | help me | 12:58 |
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| kulve | tux2: If I understood you correctly, set up a blog for you and ask some maemo poeple to add your blog to planet.maemo.org | 13:00 |
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| tux2 | ok kulve | 13:10 |
| tux2 | thanks | 13:10 |
| tux2 | kulve i'have a blog | 13:10 |
| onion | thank you nokia | 13:11 |
| tux2 | How do I write news on maemo planet | 13:12 |
| kulve | tux2: just write maemo stuff to your blog and then ask somebody (maemo-user/devel list?) to add your blog there | 13:12 |
| tux2 | to link my blog to planet | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | email: planet@maemo.org | 13:13 |
| tux2 | yes I memeo-user/devel | 13:13 |
| kulve | i.e. you don't write to planet.maemo.org, they pull/whatever your blog to there | 13:13 |
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| tux2 | ah Now I understand | 13:14 |
| Crying_EM0_Soul | z 'vj | 13:14 |
| Crying_EM0_Soul | ÿ ýìî | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | Right, one SanDisk MicroSD 6GB card ordered, + MiniSD adapter + 1 x 1GB MiniSD Sandisk card | 13:23 |
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| ertwroc | Hi, after some work of my app maemo killed it (i got "killed" msg, and app was stopped). Someone know what's going on? | 13:32 |
| p| | ciao tux2 | 13:33 |
| kulve | ertwroc: it took too much memory? | 13:33 |
| kulve | ertwroc: or does it always die like 10 secs after starting it? | 13:33 |
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| tux2 | ciao | 13:34 |
| tux2 | p| | 13:34 |
| ertwroc | kulve: May it is problem with memory - it is java app. Is any way to do something with it? | 13:35 |
| kulve | I don't know a thing about java, sorry. | 13:37 |
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| ertwroc | kulve: I runned it and was killed after more than 2 min | 13:37 |
| kulve | ertwroc: check with e.g. "top" if it's taking a lot of memory | 13:37 |
| zerojay | Java does it's own garbage collection... | 13:37 |
| zerojay | |R: Ouais, j'etait accepte pour un coupon. J'ai un ami au Etats-Unis qui va commander mon N810 et va l'envoyer a moi ici. | 13:39 |
| p| | tux2: italian developer so ? | 13:39 |
| tux2 | yes | 13:39 |
| tux2 | si | 13:39 |
| p| | bene | 13:41 |
| ertwroc | I runned it with top - cacao (java vm) took 45% of memory and for some time top stop refreshing | 13:42 |
| tux2 | ora però voglio impegnarmi a scrivere la versione italiana della wiki page | 13:44 |
| tux2 | dato che ci sono quelle in francese spagnola etc.. | 13:44 |
| kulve | ertwroc: hmm.. it would be more usefull to know how much there was free memory (not in cache). And actually I think "dmesg" should list all OOM-killed apps | 13:45 |
| kulve | tux2: let's keep this english-only channel.. | 13:45 |
| onion | hmm, git would nice to have in the SDK | 13:45 |
| tux2 | excuse me | 13:45 |
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| tux2 | kulve | 13:45 |
| p| | tux2: good idea :) | 13:46 |
| kulve | onion: git version 1.5.2.4 | 13:46 |
| tux2 | There is no documentation in Italian | 13:46 |
| tux2 | for the italian maemo user | 13:46 |
| tux2 | because I decided to expand the wiki page | 13:47 |
| kaltsi | onion: the maemo3-tools devkit offers git | 13:47 |
| onion | kulve: oh, ok.. great | 13:47 |
| tux2 | p|:I decided to expand the wiki page | 13:48 |
| tux2 | p|:you are a developer | 13:48 |
| p| | tux2: unfortunately no :( | 13:49 |
| p| | but i hope to learn ruby+gtk2+maemo :) | 13:49 |
| tux2 | p|:ah ok you are a maemo user | 13:50 |
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| ertwroc | free was less than 1500K and dmesg say that app was killed because "out of memory" was :| | 13:50 |
| p| | yes tux2 | 13:51 |
| kulve | ertwroc: you try to reduce the memory used by your app, if it's possible. If not, then you have troubles.. | 13:51 |
| kulve | +can | 13:51 |
| ertwroc | is possible to use patrition on mmc as swap? | 13:52 |
| p| | tux2: even i've installed the OS2007 SDK and have ported an app :) | 13:52 |
| onion | ertwroc: yes | 13:52 |
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| kulve | ertwroc: actually it's just a file, not a whole partition | 13:52 |
| kulve | and I think it's recommended to have at least a bit of it always in linux.. | 13:52 |
| kulve | I have the maximum (128M) on the internal card | 13:53 |
| p| | (a _VERY_ little paa, inadyn, a commandline dyndns client) | 13:53 |
| ertwroc | kulwe: so how big is now swap? | 13:53 |
| p| | s/paa/program/g | 13:53 |
| infobot | p| meant: (a _VERY_ little program, inadyn, a commandline dyndns client) | 13:53 |
| kulve | ertwroc: I didn't quite understand your question. By default there is no swap, but it can be enabled from the control-panel | 13:55 |
| p| | infobot: lol | 13:55 |
| infobot | lol is probably stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 13:55 |
| ertwroc | kulve: so I don't have to do it by hand? | 13:56 |
| tux2 | p|:I'm a developer java but the support of java in maemo and nokia internet tablet is primitive | 13:56 |
| kulve | ertwroc: no, it's a supported feature in it2007 | 13:56 |
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| tux2 | p|:I develop in c# and I study the python language | 13:57 |
| ertwroc | kulve: thanks | 13:57 |
| p| | tux2: i know a bit python and ruby | 13:57 |
| p| | but not the GUI side... | 13:57 |
| p| | nor the maemo | 13:58 |
| p| | hope it isn't too much difficult :) | 13:59 |
| tux2 | p|:I hope in the future to be able to write Java applications for maemo | 13:59 |
| p| | for now i'm playing with web server,php on my n800 :) | 13:59 |
| tux2 | p|:apache :-) | 14:00 |
| p| | tux2: take a look here :www.zamprogno.it and n800.gotdns.org/dokuwiki/index.php | 14:00 |
| p| | tux2: no, nginx | 14:00 |
| p| | (warning i'm temporary using a gprs connection so be patient :) | 14:00 |
| tux2 | p|:ok | 14:01 |
| tux2 | p|:dokuwiki on your n800 | 14:02 |
| p| | yes | 14:02 |
| p| | and also tiddlywiki | 14:03 |
| p| | (on first link) | 14:03 |
| tux2 | the first link don't | 14:04 |
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| tux2 | is Wrong | 14:04 |
| czr | can you please type longer sentences. | 14:04 |
| tux2 | excuse | 14:05 |
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| tux2 | me | 14:05 |
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| p| | tux2: first link have about 300k to download | 14:05 |
| p| | it is a single html+javascript file | 14:05 |
| tux2 | p|: Now works | 14:05 |
| p| | at 2-3k/sec.. | 14:05 |
| p| | hope you do not becom too old to see it ;-) | 14:06 |
| p| | s/becom/become/g | 14:06 |
| infobot | p| meant: hope you do not become too old to see it ;-) | 14:06 |
| p| | i need the bnep.ko kernel module to use an H3G HSDPA connection... | 14:07 |
| p| | but for now no luck :( | 14:07 |
| tux2 | p|:beautiful and very fast | 14:08 |
| tux2 | I did not know tiddlywiki | 14:08 |
| p| | also i have found it this days | 14:09 |
| p| | is a self-contained html file | 14:10 |
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| tux2 | p|Now you have to leave .. I go to cook! We students must go it alone | 14:10 |
| p| | ok | 14:11 |
| tux2 | bye bye | 14:11 |
| tux2 | p| | 14:11 |
| p| | cu ! | 14:11 |
| tux2 | It has been a pleasure to speak with you soon | 14:11 |
| tux2 | bye bye maemo Irc Planet | 14:11 |
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| * alterego wonders what happened to libreadline. | 14:17 | |
| czr | hey alterego | 14:17 |
| alterego | Good afternoon :) | 14:17 |
| alterego | Did you apply to the device program czr ? | 14:18 |
| czr | alterego, nope. | 14:18 |
| alterego | Plan on getting an N810? | 14:19 |
| czr | don't know. need to test one first. | 14:19 |
| czr | and it kind of depends on one job application that has been re-activated. if I get the job, then no. if I won't, then probably. | 14:19 |
| alterego | I got accepted yesterday. Pretty chuffed :) | 14:19 |
| czr | yay :-). how much is the discount? | 14:20 |
| alterego | 99EUR when it's released | 14:20 |
| czr | ah. so the same as last time. | 14:20 |
| alterego | So ~70 GBP I'd imagine. | 14:20 |
| alterego | Do you know where libreadline went? :) | 14:21 |
| alterego | I shouldn't have to compile it myself .. | 14:21 |
| czr | maybe it was dropped because it is GPL. /me shrugs | 14:21 |
| czr | honestly I have no idea :-) ask on ml? | 14:21 |
| alterego | Well, it's not really important. | 14:22 |
| alterego | Just means the console interactive ruby shell won't have those features. | 14:22 |
| czr | I'd imagine python to have the same issue though. | 14:23 |
| czr | you should probably ask on the ml though. | 14:23 |
| alterego | Okay, will do. | 14:23 |
| czr | maybe it was supposed to be included, but.. someone forgot :-) | 14:23 |
| p| | someone can send to me the module bnep.ko of pre-38.2 OS2007 version ? | 14:23 |
| alterego | Well, the library is installed. Just no dev package. | 14:23 |
| alterego | Or dbg package. | 14:24 |
| kaltsi | the sources are there.. you can compile that | 14:24 |
| czr | kaltsi, but it doesn't make sense to provide a library without the -dev and -dbg versions. does it? | 14:24 |
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| alterego | Yeah, | 14:24 |
| alterego | Should I still request those packages on the mailing list? | 14:25 |
| kaltsi | czr well yes and no :) | 14:25 |
| * czr shrugs | 14:25 | |
| kaltsi | the logic goes somehow like this: libreadline is not really a part of maemo platform.. it's something that you might want to use in your own program and then you can make it available for yourself | 14:26 |
| alterego | Okay | 14:27 |
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| czr | right. why is it supplied to begin with then? | 14:27 |
| czr | the so version I mean. | 14:27 |
| alterego | So it's in a similar vein to having to install the ncurses dev package? | 14:27 |
| kaltsi | it's there because the runtime lib is needed by some development tool, in this case gdb | 14:27 |
| alterego | Will it be in OS2008? | 14:28 |
| kaltsi | alterego, sorry what? | 14:28 |
| czr | ok. so SDK is: packages part of maemo + packages not part of maemo, but required to do useful stuff in SDK | 14:28 |
| kaltsi | czr something lke that yes :) | 14:28 |
| alterego | The ncurses-dev package isn't installed by default in the SDK. You have to apt-get it. | 14:28 |
| kaltsi | one of the future goals is to make the SDK compilable from sources and that means providing all the dev packages too, but that's not yet in place for chinook | 14:29 |
| czr | kaltsi, no wonder there is confusion though :-) | 14:29 |
| czr | yeah, read smt about that too. | 14:29 |
| alterego | If libreadline isn't installed in the root image then there's no point in me persuing this :) | 14:29 |
| czr | alterego, why would it be installed on the image? | 14:29 |
| alterego | It was in 2007 | 14:29 |
| kaltsi | alterego those -dev pacakges should never be needed in the device | 14:29 |
| czr | ah. ignore me then :-) | 14:29 |
| alterego | Not the dev package. The so package. | 14:30 |
| alterego | I just need the dev package to compile against. | 14:30 |
| kaltsi | yep yep.. well the device does not have anything installed that's not used by the applications that are there when it comes from the production line | 14:30 |
| kaltsi | (or shouldn't) :) | 14:31 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:31 |
| alterego | I guess I'll have to wait and see until the release to see if it has readline .. | 14:31 |
| czr | what, not even random GNOME project GConf entries that are never used? how disappointing ;-) | 14:31 |
| kaltsi | I'll get me coat | 14:31 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:31 |
| alterego | Does your coat have readline? | 14:32 |
| kaltsi | haha | 14:32 |
| * czr offers a little used dracula-cape, which has readline support. | 14:32 | |
| alterego | Hah :D | 14:32 |
| czr | the dev package is in the left inner pocket. | 14:32 |
| alterego | Nice,. | 14:32 |
| alterego | Thinking about it. | 14:32 |
| kaltsi | alterego about the readline, if your software needs it, then make the deb package depend on it and then it will be installed at the same time someone installs your pkg.. or am I missing some logic here? | 14:32 |
| alterego | kaltsi, I was about to say exactly that :) | 14:33 |
| alterego | Of course the package is in the repository. ^_^ | 14:33 |
| alterego | So the device will at least be able to obtain it. | 14:33 |
| kaltsi | yep | 14:33 |
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| alterego | Think I'll start on Ruby 1.9 today | 14:38 |
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| alterego | Ah, it has iconv | 14:40 |
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| alterego | czr, have you looked into compiling kernel modules in the maemo4 SDK? | 14:57 |
| czr | alterego, not yet I haven't. | 14:58 |
| czr | I don't have a device to test on anyway. | 14:58 |
| alterego | Right | 14:58 |
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| zerojay | Anyone here have experience with installing phpbb? | 14:59 |
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| unit42 | phpBB3, yep | 15:07 |
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| zerojay | unit42: I went through the install, and right before I'm supposed to login as admin for the first time, I get nothing but a blank page. | 15:08 |
| zerojay | Apache spits out no errors. | 15:08 |
| zerojay | Any ideas? | 15:08 |
| unit42 | Hmm. | 15:09 |
| unit42 | Also a version 3? | 15:09 |
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| zerojay | It was 3, yeah. | 15:09 |
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| kaltsi | is your apache configured to understand php? | 15:10 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 15:10 |
| unit42 | I've had no problems... strange. Install process worked without errors? | 15:10 |
| zerojay | If it wasn't, the install wouldn't work at all. :) | 15:10 |
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| zerojay | Yep. | 15:10 |
| zerojay | Without error. | 15:10 |
| zerojay | Oh well. | 15:10 |
| zerojay | I'll try phpbb2. | 15:10 |
| unit42 | Tried more than once? | 15:10 |
| unit42 | Which RC? | 15:11 |
| zerojay | Yes, several times. | 15:11 |
| zerojay | RC 7. | 15:11 |
| unit42 | I'm one before the current... | 15:11 |
| unit42 | RC 5 was that. | 15:12 |
| unit42 | May you try that one too. | 15:12 |
| zerojay | And phpbb2 says "php doesn't support the database you selected", but it does. | 15:12 |
| zerojay | wtf. | 15:12 |
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| unit42 | looks b0rked... | 15:12 |
| unit42 | Wanna try RC5? | 15:13 |
| zerojay | Well, that's kind of a problem considering this is a brand new virtual server. | 15:13 |
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| unit42 | Why is that a problem? RC too old? | 15:15 |
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| zerojay | It's a problem because if something's b0rked before I've even done anything to it, then it means the server wasn't set up properly. | 15:15 |
| unit42 | Oh. Ok. | 15:16 |
| unit42 | Did you checked the known bugs of phpBB3? | 15:17 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 15:17 |
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| zerojay | I used to work QA. | 15:17 |
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| unit42 | Ok. So you're found a new one as it seems... | 15:17 |
| unit42 | s/re/ve/ | 15:17 |
| infobot | unit42 meant: Ok. So you've found a new one as it seems... | 15:17 |
| Cord | yuk! | 15:18 |
| unit42 | Which php version do you use? Which mysql? | 15:19 |
| unit42 | or what database | 15:19 |
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| unit42 | I've a MySQL 5.0.32 and a php 4.4.4 ... | 15:20 |
| unit42 | ...and a apache 2.2.3. | 15:21 |
| zerojay | MySQL 5.0.22, Apache 2.2.3, php 5.1.6 | 15:22 |
| unit42 | Hmm. So the real difference is php 5... | 15:27 |
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| unit42 | Did you install it directly on the virtual server via shell (unpacking)? | 15:30 |
| zerojay | It was installed by the hosting provider. | 15:31 |
| unit42 | Ok. Then he should know what does... oehm... dunno. | 15:31 |
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| unit42 | I've found a post where the config.php had a wrong database config. | 15:33 |
| unit42 | Do you have direct access to the files? Or just to the admin frontend? | 15:33 |
| zerojay | Direct. | 15:33 |
| unit42 | You should check the username password of the mysql in the config. | 15:34 |
| zerojay | It's correct. | 15:34 |
| unit42 | Then I've no clue... | 15:34 |
| zerojay | Thanks anyways. | 15:34 |
| * alterego contemplates making a documentation browser. | 15:35 | |
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| zerojay | Yes, but would anyone ever read it? | 15:52 |
| zerojay | :) | 15:52 |
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| alterego | Most of my software is developed for me. | 15:57 |
| alterego | So I'd use it ;) | 15:57 |
| alterego | For instance, ruby-maemo was developed for me. | 15:57 |
| czr | self-building documentation browser | 16:05 |
| czr | i.e., you use the browser to view the documentation for the documentation browser | 16:05 |
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| xadap | hi :) | 16:28 |
| xadap | I got my n770 :D | 16:28 |
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| xadap | to get the last version of the operating system, shall I follow these instructions? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ | 16:28 |
| alterego | Check to see if the latest version is already installed first. | 16:29 |
| xadap | i don't think it's already installed because I bought it second-hand | 16:30 |
| xadap | but anyway, how do I do that? | 16:30 |
| xadap | i've got fakeroot and the terminal installed | 16:30 |
| alterego | Buying it second hand makes it more likely to have the lates tversion :P | 16:31 |
| xadap | my seller didn't love geek and useful things, but you're right, I should check it before :p | 16:31 |
| xadap | "uname -a" in the terminal, maybe? | 16:32 |
| alterego | No. | 16:32 |
| alterego | Control Panel -> About Product | 16:32 |
| xadap | that should be added at the wiki | 16:33 |
| xadap | it isn't there | 16:33 |
| xadap | thanks :) | 16:33 |
| alterego | Well, maybe you should add it :P | 16:33 |
| xadap | let me finish flashing the nokia and I'll find out how to do it ;) | 16:34 |
| xadap | 2006 edition | 16:34 |
| alterego | Well, 2006 is the latest OS release for the 770 | 16:35 |
| alterego | (official release) | 16:35 |
| xadap | doesn't the 2007OS work? | 16:35 |
| alterego | You need a special OS2007 HE for the 770 | 16:36 |
| alterego | It's not supported and you need to install seatbelt to stop it crashing all the time. | 16:36 |
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| xadap | the special version crashes too? | 16:37 |
| alterego | It crashes because the 770 doesn't really have enough memory to run it. | 16:38 |
| alterego | It's not really that big an issue though. seatbelt appearantly fixes the problem well | 16:39 |
| xadap | can't I use virtual memory? | 16:39 |
| alterego | Yes | 16:39 |
| xadap | then if I install OS2007 and seatbelt, and then I extend the virtual memory, it should work more or less properly, right? | 16:40 |
| alterego | It should work properly without virtual memory and OS2007 + seatbelt/ | 16:40 |
| xadap | then I'm installing it :p | 16:41 |
| alterego | Flashing the device is easy and doesn't take much time. If you're unhappy with it you can always revert back. | 16:41 |
| xadap | that's good news | 16:41 |
| kaltsi | heh I thought that seatbelt was a joke, but that's a real project :) | 16:42 |
| xadap | so did I lol | 16:42 |
| xadap | alter ego, I figure you meant the OS2007 Hacker Edition | 16:43 |
| xadap | amb I wrong? | 16:43 |
| alterego | Yes | 16:44 |
| alterego | OS2007 HE | 16:44 |
| xadap | that thing? | 16:44 |
| xadap | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/os2007on770 | 16:44 |
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| alterego | I guess so. | 16:45 |
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| alterego | xadap, so, what do you plan on doing with your new tablet? | 16:51 |
| xadap | about flashing or about general usage? | 16:52 |
| alterego | General usage | 16:52 |
| alterego | Are you a programmer? Do you plan on writing softwrae? | 16:53 |
| alterego | s/softwrae/software | 16:53 |
| zerojay | I know one thing.. I'm going to be doing a lot more chatting on it. | 16:53 |
| xadap | ahaha, i'm studying computer sciences | 16:53 |
| xadap | I can code a little with C++ and PHP, besides html and css | 16:53 |
| xadap | so in some months I think I could program myself something for the nokia | 16:54 |
| alterego | zerojay, do you mean with the N810? ;) | 16:54 |
| zerojay | What was the bug with power save on routers? | 16:54 |
| zerojay | Yeah. | 16:54 |
| alterego | xadap, you should check out ruby-maemo. It's awesome. | 16:54 |
| alterego | zerojay, did you get accepted? | 16:54 |
| zerojay | Nevermind, found it. | 16:54 |
| zerojay | alterego: Yep. | 16:54 |
| xadap | but i bought it mainly to read the news in the morning and to translate some textes i work on while i'm on the metro | 16:54 |
| alterego | Me too :) | 16:54 |
| xadap | i'll do it, alterego :) | 16:54 |
| zerojay | Great news. :) | 16:54 |
| Mikho | why are ruby users always so enthustiastic about it? | 16:55 |
| alterego | Mikho, try it and see :P | 16:55 |
| Mikho | tried it, saw but was unimpressed | 16:55 |
| alterego | How long did you try it for? | 16:55 |
| Mikho | first of all, it took something like 10 seconds to get my app starte3d | 16:56 |
| Mikho | then, it would fail loading maybe 40-50% of the time | 16:56 |
| zerojay | Ruby's an interpretive language. | 16:56 |
| alterego | Mikho, Ruby or ruby-maemo? | 16:56 |
| Mikho | tried because my friend hyped it | 16:57 |
| Mikho | ruby on rails | 16:57 |
| zerojay | Ruby on rails has nothing to do with this. | 16:57 |
| xadap | i've been told ruby on rails is a good tool for webdesign | 16:57 |
| alterego | Oh, you're complaining about ruby because of a web development framework? | 16:57 |
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| xadap | i'm not complaining about ruby :p | 16:58 |
| Mikho | it's just hard to accept everything's perfect about ruby | 16:58 |
| alterego | xadap, it is. I quite enjoy using it. | 16:58 |
| alterego | Who said it was perfect? They're obviously lying ;) | 16:58 |
| Mikho | yes | 16:58 |
| xadap | too many people report good news from ruby, it may be time to check it out for me haha | 16:58 |
| Mikho | well, it's true I might have lacked the skills to use it effectively | 16:59 |
| Mikho | but it wasn't exactly *fun* and *easy* | 16:59 |
| alterego | Well, my first endeavour into Ruby a year ago wasn't rails. | 16:59 |
| Mikho | alright at most | 16:59 |
| alterego | I learned the language. I've only really been using rails for about 5 months. | 17:00 |
| alterego | It is when you grasp the principles. Which is why it's good to have an understanding of the language. | 17:00 |
| alterego | xadap, http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/Examples/basic_application.rb.txt | 17:00 |
| Mikho | well, I didn't get to use ruby that much. I was mostly struggling with the ruby on rails web content | 17:00 |
| alterego | That's a hello world maemo application in Ruby. | 17:00 |
| Mikho | I might have continued using it if the computers at my university had ruby installed | 17:01 |
| alterego | Meh | 17:02 |
| xadap | alterego, desktop aplication or ruby on rails for the web? | 17:02 |
| alterego | xadap, desktop. I said maemo. | 17:02 |
| alterego | It's for the tablet. | 17:02 |
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| alterego | It's a hello world application that runs on the Nokia tablets .. | 17:03 |
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| xadap | i haven't worked with gtk yet | 17:03 |
| xadap | only command line :p | 17:03 |
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| alterego | ruby -e "puts 'Hello, world!'" | 17:03 |
| alterego | ;) | 17:03 |
| xadap | :) | 17:03 |
| xadap | nokia os2007HE downloaded | 17:04 |
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| xadap | now i suppose I need a flasher, is it? | 17:04 |
| alterego | Groovy. | 17:04 |
| alterego | Yes, | 17:04 |
| xadap | i've seen 2 versions, v2 and v3 | 17:04 |
| alterego | You'll probably want the latest. | 17:04 |
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| xadap | the wiki says: | 17:06 |
| xadap | ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 17:06 |
| xadap | does it change anything else but the ./flasher-3.0 part in the string? | 17:07 |
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| b0unc3 | hi | 17:08 |
| xadap | hi :) | 17:09 |
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| alterego | xadap, nope. | 17:12 |
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| xadap | flashing :) | 17:13 |
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| xadap | hoho that's amazing! | 17:20 |
| alterego | :) | 17:20 |
| alterego | It is quite fun flashing the devices. | 17:21 |
| L0cutus | mmm | 17:21 |
| L0cutus | i'm unable to activate the bluetooth :-\ | 17:21 |
| alterego | L0cutus, from where? The control panel? | 17:21 |
| L0cutus | i've tryed to activate it from control panel without success | 17:21 |
| alterego | Are you in flight mode? | 17:22 |
| L0cutus | no, booted fromm mmc | 17:22 |
| alterego | Hmmm. | 17:22 |
| L0cutus | wifi is on and connected | 17:22 |
| alterego | have you tried hciconfig? | 17:22 |
| L0cutus | only bt is 'dead' | 17:22 |
| L0cutus | wait i'll try | 17:22 |
| alterego | I don't bother using the control panel to enable bluetooth. | 17:23 |
| alterego | I have a little command in my mem/cpu graph applet. | 17:23 |
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| L0cutus | also mine | 17:24 |
| L0cutus | also hciconfig doesn't work | 17:24 |
| alterego | Oh no. | 17:24 |
| L0cutus | "sudo hciconfig hci0 up" | 17:24 |
| alterego | That's not good :/ | 17:24 |
| L0cutus | it stay there | 17:24 |
| L0cutus | also a friend of mine yesterday had that problem | 17:24 |
| alterego | Any dmesg errors> | 17:25 |
| L0cutus | not for now | 17:25 |
| L0cutus | it is freezed on cmdline | 17:25 |
| alterego | If I were to guess I'd say it's to do with the firmware injection. | 17:25 |
| L0cutus | mmm | 17:26 |
| alterego | In my past experience that has generally been the source of all problems ;) | 17:26 |
| alterego | Maybe copy the firmware from a working rootfs to your MMC rootfs. | 17:26 |
| L0cutus | i must reboot on classic flash ? | 17:26 |
| alterego | No, you should be able to do it from your current boot. | 17:26 |
| L0cutus | i'm not very 'pratical' on this thing :( | 17:27 |
| alterego | Well, you're practical enough to get it to boot off of a memory card which isn't exactly a novice task ;) | 17:28 |
| alterego | Even with the somewhat vague instructions on the wiki. | 17:28 |
| L0cutus | there is a wiki that is pretty noob-proof :) | 17:29 |
| L0cutus | (to boot from mmc) | 17:29 |
| alterego | I've seen noobs try and fail. | 17:30 |
| alterego | I remember having to improvise a few times whilst I was doing it too. | 17:30 |
| L0cutus | good old internal flash boot :) | 17:32 |
| L0cutus | bt is working | 17:32 |
| L0cutus | so it is mmc boot problem | 17:32 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 17:32 |
| * timelyx looks around | 17:33 | |
| alterego | Is this a 770 or 800 by-the-way? | 17:33 |
| L0cutus | n800 | 17:33 |
| alterego | Thought as much. | 17:33 |
| zoran | L0cutus, maybe init file looks at the wrong place | 17:33 |
| L0cutus | i haven't touch anything | 17:34 |
| L0cutus | it worked until 5min ago | 17:34 |
| zoran | ah, you moved it to mmc | 17:34 |
| L0cutus | after reboot, puff, no bt | 17:34 |
| zoran | start it by the hand | 17:34 |
| alterego | He tried that, doesn't work. | 17:35 |
| L0cutus | it lockup hciconfig | 17:35 |
| zoran | shutdown -h now ? | 17:36 |
| zoran | it should put down all parts in order | 17:36 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 17:36 |
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| L0cutus | zoran: i'll try to reboot now from mmc... | 17:37 |
| zoran | k | 17:37 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget download | 17:37 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot download | 17:37 |
| timelyx | _Monkey download is <reply> | 17:37 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 17:37 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:39 |
| timelyx | alterego: you should have suggested the n810 to markust :! | 17:39 |
| timelyx | it should be out by xmas :) | 17:39 |
| alterego | timelyx, yeah. That should have occured to me. | 17:40 |
| alterego | Though, the N810 is pretty expensive IMO | 17:40 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey forget yeah, wtf | 17:42 |
| _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching yeah, where | 17:42 |
| timelyx | _Monkey yeah, wtf is <reply> | 17:43 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: i don't know | 17:43 |
| xadap | i'll leave in some minuts | 17:43 |
| xadap | there's a hacklab in barcelona :) | 17:43 |
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| xadap | but before, alterego please | 17:43 |
| xadap | what's that seatbealt thing? | 17:43 |
| xadap | can i get it from the repositories? | 17:44 |
| zerojay | Garage | 17:44 |
| _Monkey | Garage is, like, https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park your car | 17:44 |
| alterego | :) | 17:44 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:44 |
| L0cutus | now bt is back working :-O | 17:44 |
| alterego | L0cutus, congrats ;) | 17:44 |
| zoran | _Monkey overgrows my intelligence | 17:44 |
| _Monkey | zoran: huh? | 17:44 |
| alterego | What was the fix? | 17:44 |
| L0cutus | buahaa | 17:44 |
| L0cutus | alterego: dunno | 17:44 |
| L0cutus | :) | 17:44 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:44 |
| alterego | Just a reboot I guess. | 17:45 |
| xadap | then I get the seatbealt from garage or it was realted to bt ? :p | 17:45 |
| alterego | That's a point. It may have needed a cold start .. | 17:45 |
| L0cutus | i've tryed shutdown -h now | 17:45 |
| L0cutus | yep | 17:45 |
| zoran | you lost some parts of puzzle | 17:45 |
| zoran | so reboot made it from the start | 17:45 |
| alterego | Probably because of the moved location of the firmware maybe .. | 17:45 |
| alterego | Or some other resource. | 17:46 |
| L0cutus | alterego: i'm not switched today to mmc boot | 17:46 |
| L0cutus | it's a couple of days nw | 17:46 |
| alterego | Sorry, I don't get you? | 17:46 |
| L0cutus | now | 17:46 |
| zerojay | |R: Oui, je suis la. | 17:46 |
| alterego | Ah | 17:47 |
| L0cutus | but i think uptime on nxxx are not similar to pc ones :D | 17:47 |
| zoran | he-he | 17:48 |
| zoran | fs is the strenght of unix | 17:48 |
| alterego | Yeah, my tablet has been up longer than my server ^_^ | 17:48 |
| zoran | is there any sign of instability? | 17:49 |
| alterego | Not really. | 17:49 |
| L0cutus | i think next time i do a shutdown -h now and not a reboot... | 17:49 |
| zoran | no diff | 17:49 |
| alterego | Just turn it off and make sure it's not plugged in. | 17:49 |
| L0cutus | this time it have do the diff :) | 17:49 |
| L0cutus | sometimes it happens also on pc | 17:50 |
| zoran | good friend of mine wants me to help to install freebsd on his flash drive | 17:50 |
| zoran | I just cannot resist to say to him it has no point | 17:51 |
| alterego | I was thinking of installing Linux on an SD card to allow my N800 to act as a boot device. | 17:51 |
| zoran | interesting would be to have netbsd on device | 17:52 |
| alterego | It'd be handy, can store restoration tools and stoof. | 17:52 |
| zoran | nas | 17:52 |
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| * alterego is in your compootor infectin' yer linuz. | 17:53 | |
| zoran | :) | 17:53 |
| alterego | I think I might still be drunk. | 17:53 |
| zoran | imagine no stack execution | 17:54 |
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| alterego | I'd be interested in installing gnome on the device. | 17:54 |
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| alterego | Like that guy that got KDE on it. | 17:54 |
| zoran | channel would curse you | 17:55 |
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| alterego | :) | 17:55 |
| alterego | Well, I suppose I just want gnome terminal ;) | 17:55 |
| zoran | I thought twice and really found true that matchbox was good for this issue | 17:55 |
| xadap | now that i've installed OS2007HE, how do I know what's the name of my OS? | 17:56 |
| xadap | i used to have "mistral" | 17:56 |
| alterego | bora | 17:56 |
| alterego | xadap, it's bora | 17:56 |
| xadap | thank you a lot! | 17:56 |
| xadap | i'm leaving now | 17:56 |
| alterego | Good bye. | 17:56 |
| alterego | Have fun. | 17:56 |
| alterego | Come back soon. | 17:56 |
| * alterego gives xadap a smoochkiss. | 17:56 | |
| xadap | if there's someone else from barcelona, in c/verdi 28 there's a talk about gnu projects or something like that :) | 17:56 |
| zoran | alterego, is there any change on maemo.org server last 10 days? | 17:56 |
| xadap | i will :) | 17:56 |
| alterego | zoran, what kind of change? | 17:57 |
| xadap | it's been really cool flashing so fast with your help :) | 17:57 |
| xadap | see you soon ;)( | 17:57 |
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| zoran | I cannot get files from that | 17:57 |
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| zoran | wrror message is "authorization request failure" | 17:57 |
| alterego | Which files? application downloads? | 17:57 |
| zoran | yep | 17:57 |
| Andy80 | hi | 17:57 |
| zoran | and app manager update | 17:57 |
| alterego | It's been buggy for ages. Breaks occasionally. | 17:57 |
| zoran | now it is over for me | 17:58 |
| alterego | Try again in an hour or so. | 17:58 |
| zoran | no, not for 10 days | 17:58 |
| zoran | and also from another box from another provider | 17:58 |
| zoran | but works manualy from remote box | 17:58 |
| alterego | I think they do it intentionally to make us all have breaks ;) | 17:58 |
| alterego | Odd. | 17:58 |
| * alterego checks. | 17:58 | |
| zoran | it broke my device | 17:58 |
| zoran | last sentence was wrong in deed | 17:59 |
| zoran | jsut broke the nature of it | 17:59 |
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| Andy80 | could someone explain me how is the N810 expandible? I don't understand this: Up to 2GB internal memory - Support for compatible miniSD and microSD memory cards, Supports cards up to 8GB. (SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible.) | 18:05 |
| zerojay | It's all right there. | 18:05 |
| Andy80 | does it mean that I can install, for example a 2Gb card or a 8Gb? | 18:05 |
| zerojay | Both. | 18:05 |
| Andy80 | or does it have two expansion slot? | 18:05 |
| zerojay | No. | 18:05 |
| zoran | 1 | 18:05 |
| zerojay | It has only one slot. | 18:06 |
| zerojay | The other one is taken up by a permanent 2GB internal. | 18:06 |
| Andy80 | ah ok :) | 18:06 |
| zerojay | Used for maps. | 18:06 |
| alterego | Andy80, the "Up to 2G internal" means that you have up to 2G internal storage for files. Which the system uses as well. Otherwise it supports a single Mini or Micro SD card which can be up to 8G | 18:06 |
| * alterego checks prices of Mini/Micro SD cards. | 18:07 | |
| Andy80 | ahhhh... so the memory is divided in this way: 128 DDR Ram, 256 Flash, 2 Gb internal memory... right? Plus... I've one slot to install another 2-8 Gb MiniSD... right? | 18:07 |
| alterego | Andy80, yes, exactly like that :) | 18:07 |
| Andy80 | thanks :) | 18:07 |
| Andy80 | it's a very big thing! | 18:07 |
| alterego | There is no lower limit on the mini/micro SD though | 18:07 |
| alterego | You could install a 64M one for example | 18:08 |
| alterego | (the only one I have) | 18:08 |
| Andy80 | at the moment I've a N770 and it had not an internal memory like that :) | 18:08 |
| zoran | it's good | 18:08 |
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| alterego | Well, if storage is your main concern. The N800 is the best for that, | 18:08 |
| Andy80 | 2 Gb bundled it's a lot :) | 18:08 |
| alterego | With two full size SD or MMC slots. | 18:08 |
| alterego | Giving a maximum of 16G storage capacity. | 18:09 |
| Andy80 | no... for me N810 is more than enough :) | 18:09 |
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| Andy80 | are all the 2 Gb taken by maps? | 18:10 |
| alterego | No | 18:10 |
| alterego | Depends how many maps/size you install. | 18:11 |
| Andy80 | is it possible to install only the maps you need, I suppose... Italy in my case | 18:11 |
| Andy80 | perfect | 18:11 |
| alterego | I don't know for sure. But I'd imagine so. | 18:11 |
| alterego | I'd also imagine that when you buy the device it comes with the maps for your region. | 18:11 |
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| * Jaffa isn't in a particularly salesman-like mood; so any suggestions on http://www.bleb.org/misc/n800-ad.html (since I'm selling one of my N800s) would be appreciated. | 18:15 | |
| zoran | ask for $1000 and get an agreement at $500 | 18:15 |
| L0cutus | how about 2SD in RAID1 ? ;) | 18:16 |
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| alterego | RAID 1 and solid state memory devices wont make a difference. | 18:17 |
| Andy80 | :D | 18:18 |
| alterego | Unless I'm getting confused with RAID 0 .. | 18:18 |
| zoran | since mmc is seen as da0, it is free to say it is scsi device | 18:18 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. YEs I think I am. | 18:18 |
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| Andy80 | L0cutus: maybe you are talking about a "stripe" use, not a "mirror", is it right? | 18:20 |
| L0cutus | raid0 ? :) | 18:21 |
| Andy80 | mmm.... no | 18:21 |
| zoran | hm, stripe on mmc | 18:21 |
| Andy80 | I did think you wanted to have a single mount point for two SD :) | 18:21 |
| Andy80 | with the N800 for example | 18:22 |
| alterego | My dad's fishing for my N800 when I get the N810 :/ | 18:23 |
| alterego | I think he expects me to just give it to him. | 18:24 |
| zerojay | I know three people at work trying to do the same. | 18:24 |
| alterego | I lurv my N800 though :( | 18:24 |
| alterego | Spent good money on it too .. | 18:24 |
| zerojay | Me too. I'm supposed to sell mine so that the N810 is essentially free. | 18:24 |
| zerojay | But I don't really want to. | 18:24 |
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| alterego | Meh, you should make a profit. | 18:25 |
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| alterego | N800 is worth more than 99 EUR ;) | 18:25 |
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| Andy80 | I'm thinking if I should sell or not my N770... | 18:27 |
| Andy80 | I could get no more than 100€ I think... | 18:27 |
| alterego | Personally I'd like them all. | 18:27 |
| alterego | Have a collection ^_^ | 18:27 |
| Andy80 | ehehe | 18:27 |
| alterego | Nokia internet tablets. Gotta catch 'em all. | 18:28 |
| alterego | Nokiman. | 18:28 |
| Andy80 | well... using N770 was more than a frustration! | 18:28 |
| alterego | Nokimon even .. | 18:28 |
| zerojay | The tablets are pretty much the only things we don't have at work from Nokia. | 18:28 |
| Andy80 | too slow and browsing was the most instable thing to do :P | 18:28 |
| zerojay | Maybe a good 200 phones or so. | 18:28 |
| alterego | Send me one! | 18:28 |
| * alterego needs a new phone. | 18:28 | |
| zerojay | Hah. | 18:28 |
| zerojay | We need them for testing purposes. :) | 18:29 |
| alterego | Pfft. | 18:29 |
| Andy80 | about phone, I feel good with my N73 :) | 18:29 |
| alterego | I'm sure you wouldn't miss one ;P | 18:29 |
| zerojay | I could send you the 3650. Pretty sure no one would miss that. ;P | 18:29 |
| alterego | I have an old POS | 18:29 |
| Andy80 | I got it for only 149€ from 3 Italy | 18:29 |
| alterego | Ooo, old school. | 18:29 |
| zerojay | We don't support it anymore. | 18:29 |
| zerojay | Forget about running Java apps on it. | 18:30 |
| alterego | I wasn't so in to the round keypad .. | 18:30 |
| alterego | Yeah, I know. The MIDP version is well low. | 18:30 |
| alterego | i used to do a bit of coding on that Series 60 version | 18:30 |
| zerojay | The JVM does zero garbage collection. | 18:30 |
| zerojay | Literally, zero. | 18:30 |
| alterego | Serious? | 18:30 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 18:30 |
| alterego | Hah. | 18:30 |
| alterego | Didn't know that. | 18:30 |
| zerojay | So our games run for about 5 minutes or so. | 18:30 |
| Andy80 | java.... what a good thing to talk about ;) why MIDP has not be implemented for Nokia tablets? | 18:30 |
| zerojay | Then you see the background disappear. | 18:30 |
| zerojay | And then the characters, piece by piece. | 18:31 |
| zerojay | And then it crashes. | 18:31 |
| Andy80 | I know we can have more powerfull languages (Python for exmple) but it's a missing thing for sure... | 18:31 |
| zerojay | 7650, same JVM. | 18:31 |
| alterego | Yeah, the 7650 and 3650 were almost identical. | 18:32 |
| zerojay | Yep. | 18:32 |
| alterego | .1 difference ^_^ | 18:32 |
| Andy80 | I had a 7650 :) | 18:32 |
| zerojay | Got in a few prereleases.. LG CU915. | 18:32 |
| zerojay | Basically the same as the CU920.. touch screen, etc.. | 18:32 |
| alterego | I think I will give my dad the N800 | 18:32 |
| zerojay | At least for my purposes. | 18:32 |
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| alterego | On the condition that if I brick or screw my N810 I get it back ^_^ | 18:33 |
| alterego | Basically, he wants to sell his 770 to a friend of his. | 18:33 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Anything new going on with mediaserv? | 18:33 |
| alterego | And he thought that as I was getting an N810 from the device program. He'd pinch my N800 .. | 18:34 |
| zoran | nice thing would bi microdrive in future nxxx | 18:35 |
| zoran | that way nxxx culd be treated as real box | 18:36 |
| alterego | I'm gonna buy a small full SD/MMC reader and see if I can get it to work un powered with the N810 | 18:36 |
| Andy80 | a nicer one would be wimax support... but it would be useless at least here in italy :( | 18:36 |
| * zerojay looks at about 50 episodes of Law & Order sitting in his download folder and feels lazy about organizing them properly. | 18:36 | |
| alterego | That's sort out my memory card issues. | 18:36 |
| Andy80 | we'll have an half wimax :( | 18:36 |
| zerojay | Full wimax here in Canada. | 18:36 |
| zoran | Andy80, I read about new standard, that would replace it | 18:36 |
| Andy80 | I mean... no "client mode", but only "bridge mode" | 18:37 |
| Andy80 | for example to connect mountains with cities ecc.... and port ADSL in places where it's not present... that's all :( | 18:37 |
| Andy80 | zerojay: lucky you :) | 18:37 |
| Andy80 | zoran: already operative in canada? | 18:37 |
| alterego | I can only find 4G mini's so far :/ | 18:38 |
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| zoran | no, future item, but something like 802.16 or os | 18:38 |
| dockane | is there anybody using an offline version of wikipedia on his tablet? i am pretty dissatisfied with the sdict version (german or english) | 18:38 |
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| dockane | btw: got approx 8 gb free on one sdhc-card for wikipedia | 18:39 |
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| Andy80 | what are the differences from MiniSD and MiniSDHC ? | 18:40 |
| alterego | Flippin' out of stock too .. | 18:40 |
| alterego | SDHC is high capacity. | 18:40 |
| zoran | hm, nice dict is WordNet | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: I've registered http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ and imported it into svn there. v0.05 will support 770-encode or tablet-encode (the former's new name), a "url" setting and maybe VDR | 18:40 |
| alterego | I think there's some bus changes or something that allow machines to address more storage. | 18:41 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Awesome. | 18:41 |
| * Jaffa is catching up on 770-encode patches and features to improve that and release v2.00 of it, before the next mediaserv since it's working reasonably well for me at the moment. | 18:41 | |
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| alterego | Anyone know a good place to get miniSD cards? | 18:43 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Are you going to be using vcfg files? | 18:43 |
| * Jaffa 's ordered a 6GB MicroSD card + MiniSD adapter + a 1GB MiniSD card from Mobymemory.com this morning. | 18:43 | |
| zerojay | How much was the 6GB micro? | 18:44 |
| alterego | Are they cheap/reliable? | 18:44 |
| alterego | Have you bought from them before? | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: yeah, I fixed a bug with the MIME types and so v0.05's icon at the top-left should actually now work with vcfg files | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I have indeed. Not sure whether they ship outside the UK, but the 6GB MicroSD was 35ukp (incl. a USB card reader for it) | 18:44 |
| zerojay | Okay, cool. I just added automatic vcfg creation for my video center catalog. | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: cool | 18:44 |
| alterego | Jaffa, that's fine. I'm British ;) | 18:45 |
| Jaffa | alterego: perfect :) | 18:45 |
| zerojay | Once you add the stream to the database, it generates the vcfg and updates the rss feed. | 18:45 |
| * Jaffa bought the adapter and the other card cos it's free postage at 40 quid | 18:45 | |
| Jaffa | zerojay: very cool | 18:45 |
| zerojay | The site isn't designed to look good.. just to work, but if you want to take a look.. http://www.jablet.net/videocenter/ | 18:46 |
| zerojay | Links to mp3 versions of the video shows when available.. an mplayer icon for those that only play in Mplayer... | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | Suggestion: put title tags on the icons or the links to indicate... that :) | 18:47 |
| zerojay | They already have ALT. | 18:47 |
| zerojay | But I guess I'll do that too. | 18:47 |
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| alterego | The cheek, now he's trying to pinch the N810! | 18:50 |
| alterego | Great, now it's segfaulting .. | 18:52 |
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| timelyx | hrm | 19:02 |
| timelyx | so other than quite a few hearts, 1 email, and one blog post, i haven't seen much of a response | 19:03 |
| zerojay | I think people are still reading it. lol | 19:03 |
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| alterego | Reading what? | 19:03 |
| timelyx | heh | 19:03 |
| alterego | Your Microbe post? | 19:03 |
| zerojay | Yeah. | 19:04 |
| alterego | That was a freakin' essay :P | 19:04 |
| alterego | I couldn't write anything after reading it I was exhausted ^_^ | 19:04 |
| zerojay | He does like being verbose.. but that's good considering most of Nokia acting very closed. | 19:04 |
| timelyx | it took 3 weeks to get it done | 19:04 |
| alterego | :) | 19:04 |
| timelyx | and believe me, you don't want to see the source material | 19:04 |
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| alterego | Heh | 19:05 |
| alterego | Extremely good job. It was a very interesting and enlightening read. | 19:05 |
| timelyx | fwiw, the Editor's notes are in the original versions of the index.txt file | 19:06 |
| zerojay | I was talking about it with my coworkers and showed him the "don't ask me why it's a feature and not a bug" line. | 19:06 |
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| zerojay | Very popular. | 19:06 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/www/news/9/ | 19:06 |
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| timelyx | you can use CV Log to get the older versions | 19:07 |
| zerojay | Is there still work going on to get the Webkit renderer in as well? | 19:07 |
| timelyx | i couldn't say :) | 19:08 |
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| alterego | Who cares. MicroBe rocks. | 19:09 |
| * timelyx frowns | 19:09 | |
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| timelyx | googling for microb is such a pain | 19:09 |
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| alterego | What are you looking for? | 19:10 |
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| timelyx | news about microb at times :) | 19:11 |
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| alterego | What license are the maemo icons released as? | 19:11 |
| alterego | I'm thinking of using them instead of the gnome icons on my maemo site .. | 19:12 |
| timelyx | um | 19:12 |
| timelyx | which package are they in? | 19:12 |
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| alterego | Can't remember. | 19:12 |
| timelyx | actually, i'd have to use vpn to get into the license stuff | 19:12 |
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| alterego | I'll find out hang on. | 19:12 |
| timelyx | you've activated red pill, no? | 19:12 |
| timelyx | if so, w/ a lot of pain you could find out :) | 19:12 |
| alterego | I activated it. | 19:13 |
| alterego | Then I deactivated it. | 19:13 |
| alterego | :) | 19:13 |
| alterego | sdk-default-icons-2.0 | 19:13 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/sdk-default-icons-2.0/debian/copyright | 19:14 |
| timelyx | nice thing about cross referencing debian, some questions are trivial to answer :) | 19:15 |
| alterego | Does that mean I can rip them off then? | 19:15 |
| alterego | Yay :D | 19:15 |
| tko | timelyx: ?? "Opening the VKB for a <textarea> will probably ignore autocapitalization mode and just use lowercase. (Editor's note: this seems to be rocket science, and the APIs involved don't seem to be particularly useful/workable.)" | 19:18 |
| timelyx | tko: oops, i thought i dropped all the editor's notes :( | 19:19 |
| alterego | Okay .. Kinetic scrolling is awesome :) | 19:19 |
| zerojay | I hate it. | 19:20 |
| timelyx | tko: best thing to do is find the original bugs relating to the "fix" | 19:20 |
| tko | timelyx: the release notes were kind of missing context... | 19:21 |
| tko | that just caught my eye, can't recall similar things being mentioned before | 19:21 |
| timelyx | tko: i tried to remove all the editor's notes from the final release notes | 19:21 |
| tko | failed :) | 19:22 |
| timelyx | sorry if i missed that one | 19:22 |
| timelyx | tko: the biggest release note i missed is this: | 19:22 |
| tko | I'm still interested in where that's coming from | 19:22 |
| timelyx | Anyone trying to use the FKB on ITOS2008 with a Password field will find the results interesting | 19:23 |
| timelyx | namely it happily encrypts your password with asterisks | 19:23 |
| timelyx | so unless you use your FKB to *create* your password, you'll never be able to use the FKB to log in | 19:23 |
| timelyx | we found that friday after i published | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | you mean it not only shows asterisks, but also sends asterisks to the application? | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | genius | 19:24 |
| _Monkey | well, genius is the man who sees the simple things that were right on our faces... | 19:24 |
| timelyx | yes | 19:24 |
| alterego | FKB? | 19:24 |
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| timelyx | finger keyboard | 19:25 |
| alterego | typo? | 19:25 |
| alterego | Oh | 19:25 |
| alterego | The large VKB right? | 19:25 |
| timelyx | yes | 19:25 |
| alterego | Okay | 19:25 |
| * alterego wants to buy the N810 now. | 19:25 | |
| alterego | Why isn't it here yet :) | 19:25 |
| zerojay | Yes, please. | 19:25 |
| zerojay | Right this second. | 19:25 |
| zerojay | I want teleportation delivery. | 19:26 |
| * zerojay bangs desk with fist. | 19:26 | |
| zerojay | NOW! | 19:26 |
| alterego | The notice made it sound like it'd be available to each country incrementally as the shipments arrive. Is this correct? | 19:26 |
| zerojay | As it always was. | 19:26 |
| timelyx | brother | 19:26 |
| alterego | Right | 19:27 |
| zerojay | I'd imagine that they're in the middle of flashing the final OS 2008 image to the tablets right now. | 19:27 |
| timelyx | tko: my browser doesn't know my password | 19:27 |
| alterego | They said they're shipping them. | 19:27 |
| zerojay | Who said? | 19:27 |
| * alterego looks for the message. | 19:27 | |
| tko | timelyx: isn't that a good thing? if you're security conscious that is | 19:28 |
| timelyx | tko: it knows my old password | 19:28 |
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| mgedmin | vkb word predictor knows a lot of my passwords :( | 19:28 |
| tko | timelyx: well, you outsmarted your browser. good for you :-P | 19:28 |
| timelyx | no, that was the stupid password expiry policy | 19:28 |
| timelyx | which expired my password while i was on vacation | 19:29 |
| alterego | zerojay, the announcement about the full 4.0 SDK | 19:29 |
| alterego | and the device "landing". | 19:29 |
| zerojay | I don't remember anything saying "we've shipped them off". | 19:29 |
| alterego | "The Nokia N810 Internet Tablet is going through the distribution channels as we speak ... " | 19:29 |
| alterego | Which reminds me .. | 19:30 |
| * mgedmin wonders if the promised OS2008 image for the N800 are in the distribution channels too | 19:30 | |
| alterego | Here I am playing around with ruby1.9 when I could be writing another library :) | 19:30 |
| zerojay | It's the same image for both. | 19:30 |
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| zerojay | Or should be as far as we've heard. | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | ah, but is it the same download location? | 19:31 |
| rubiks | the default email client is not very good on the n800 | 19:31 |
| alterego | Yes, hopefully I'll be able to flash my N800 before the N810 arrives ^_^ | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | and does the web page accept both n800 and n810 serials? | 19:31 |
| alterego | rubiks, yes. It's rubbish ;) | 19:31 |
| zerojay | I've been hearing the OS2008 flash image will be a week later than the N810 release. | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | I see | 19:31 |
| zerojay | rubiks: Works for my needs. | 19:31 |
| rubiks | any good one out the | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | the EULA on the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php does not have OS2008 | 19:31 |
| rubiks | there | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php does not accept my N800's serial | 19:32 |
| zerojay | Yeah, OS2008 isn't released yet.. so.. neither of those should be a surprise. | 19:32 |
| Fatal | meh, bad bad day :/ | 19:32 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:32 |
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| Fatal | oh well, shame nokia didn't mail those who didn't get accepted. guess it's time to give my 770 to someone with good soldering skills to fix it up again | 19:35 |
| timelyx | tko: does the 810 page let you in w/ a proto? | 19:35 |
| timelyx | oh brother | 19:36 |
| tko | don't have a device at hand atm | 19:36 |
| timelyx | note to self: serial is under battery. device is on. battery is important | 19:36 |
| alterego | serial is in control panel -> about product | 19:37 |
| alterego | ;) | 19:37 |
| timelyx | heh, about product jumped to the MPL/NPL section :) | 19:37 |
| alterego | It's just the WLAN MAC address. | 19:37 |
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| alterego | There's no need to bust open your device for it ^_^ | 19:37 |
| timelyx | ok, that page is protecting an EULA and an MD5SUMS file | 19:38 |
| timelyx | which oddly enough includes the sum for one image | 19:38 |
| * timelyx puzzles | 19:38 | |
| lopz | re | 19:39 |
| timelyx | so does that mean the image isn't a secret anymore? :) | 19:40 |
| alterego | Hah, probably. | 19:40 |
| alterego | Does it give you the image's filename? | 19:40 |
| alterego | Maybe you can download it ;) | 19:40 |
| alterego | Something like: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 19:40 |
| timelyx | it gives me the filename | 19:41 |
| timelyx | because that's how you checksum | 19:41 |
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| alterego | Try it! | 19:41 |
| timelyx | seems to work | 19:41 |
| timelyx | ... | 19:41 |
| timelyx | rocket science | 19:41 |
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| zerojay | It works? | 19:43 |
| timelyx | yes | 19:44 |
| zerojay | The image is downloadable? | 19:44 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:44 |
| alterego | New it .. | 19:44 |
| timelyx | actually, no | 19:44 |
| alterego | Oh well. | 19:44 |
| timelyx | it's a php error | 19:44 |
| alterego | :/ | 19:45 |
| alterego | Meh. | 19:45 |
| alterego | Worth a try ;) | 19:45 |
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| timelyx | tko: where would you report a bug about tabelts-dev? | 19:46 |
| alterego | I'd imagine it's under the maemo umbrella. | 19:46 |
| alterego | They have SDK index there as well .. | 19:46 |
| tko | nokia.com -> tablets -> support -> contact form -> something -> somehwere | 19:46 |
| tko | IIRC | 19:47 |
| timelyx | alterego: afaik it isn't under bugs.maemo | 19:47 |
| tko | bugzilla might work.. but dunno. it was a mess last time I asked | 19:47 |
| alterego | Ah | 19:47 |
| timelyx | tko: i could fille a bug against quim in misdirected:nokia | 19:47 |
| timelyx | and make him deal w/ it | 19:48 |
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| timelyx | if i did that, i'd mark it OOPS so no one here could read it :) -- just in case you're curious | 19:48 |
| timelyx | oops, battery low | 19:48 |
| timelyx | cute sound | 19:48 |
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| timelyx | ok, any good movies on today @finnkino? | 19:50 |
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| Vedmak | Hi guys! I've installed perl with apt-get but I can't find path to perl processor, there's no /usr/binperl | 19:56 |
| timelyx | http://www.greysanatomyinsider.com/quotes/characters/izzie-stevens/page_9.html | 19:56 |
| shackan | [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > which perl | 19:56 |
| shackan | /scratchbox/tools/bin/perl | 19:56 |
| alterego | Vedmak, 'which perl' | 19:56 |
| timelyx | GEORGE: "I'm just saying. I'm just saying life is short. You know it's like cancer happens and surgery happens and you know, you got... rosebuds! You got 8.7 million rosebuds, Izzie! Now go spend some rosebuds, that's what I'm saying." | 19:57 |
| Vedmak | tnx | 19:57 |
| zerojay | timelyx: I'd respond to that, but I'm not really allowed to do so. | 19:57 |
| timelyx | zerojay: which? | 19:58 |
| _Monkey | or available for busybox | 19:58 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey literal which | 19:58 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: which =is= <reply> or available for busybox | 19:58 |
| zerojay | timelyx: The Grey's stuff. | 19:58 |
| timelyx | can anyone here justify _Monkey's answer? if not, it's dead. | 20:01 |
| zerojay | No. | 20:01 |
| zerojay | Kill it. | 20:01 |
| zerojay | The bot, not just the answer. | 20:01 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget which | 20:01 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot which | 20:01 |
| timelyx | _Monkey which is <reply> | 20:01 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 20:01 |
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| timelyx | oh, it's an inheritance check | 20:02 |
| timelyx | arg, i missed some episodes | 20:02 |
| zerojay | My wife's a huge fan. | 20:02 |
| zerojay | I'm not. | 20:02 |
| Vedmak | anyone already tried chinook on n800? Any significant differences? | 20:02 |
| timelyx | zerojay: i don't suppose you can dhl a complete set? | 20:02 |
| * timelyx keeps missing things | 20:03 | |
| zerojay | dhl? | 20:03 |
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| timelyx | fedex if you prefer :) | 20:03 |
| zerojay | Oh, the shipping company? | 20:03 |
| zerojay | Haha. | 20:03 |
| zerojay | I wouldn't mind sending you a few DVDs with them if I've got some cash left over when the Christmas stuff dies down. | 20:03 |
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| * timelyx sighs | 20:08 | |
| timelyx | how long was my article up before it got burried under n810 giveaways? | 20:08 |
| zerojay | Hah.. it was on top for a day or so. | 20:09 |
| timelyx | ok, good enough for me | 20:09 |
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| * timelyx chuckles | 20:11 | |
| * timelyx likes grey's, sorry zerojay :) | 20:11 | |
| zerojay | No biggie. | 20:12 |
| disq | ooh tv talk. ah, greys, shitty show | 20:12 |
| zerojay | time, join jaffa for a sec. | 20:13 |
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| * alterego contemplates what to put in the next release. | 20:21 | |
| alterego | I'm thinking alarmd and proper hildon stock icon support. | 20:21 |
| hexa | hi all , I'd like to work on rtcomm .. but I can't seem to find the source , could this be closed ? no link on http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org ? | 20:22 |
| alterego | Have you tried google? | 20:22 |
| alterego | They have everyting. | 20:22 |
| hexa | alterego, yeah found : https://garage.maemo.org/svn/rtcomm/rtcomm/ wigh google but nothing there.. | 20:24 |
| timelyx | have you tried the cross reference? | 20:24 |
| hexa | ? | 20:25 |
| timelyx | well, they have a deb :) | 20:25 |
| zerojay | hexa: A little late for RTCOMM.. it was worked on as a separate beta for inclusion as part of OS2008. | 20:25 |
| hexa | i'm more looking for the svn or something like that... | 20:25 |
| zerojay | SVN is chinook's SVN. | 20:25 |
| timelyx | chinook's svn? | 20:25 |
| zerojay | Whatever. | 20:25 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:26 |
| zerojay | Not everything in RTCOMM's open source either. | 20:26 |
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| hexa | zerojay, humm k .. looking for the chinook svn.. | 20:27 |
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| alterego | The svn is the svn. | 20:29 |
| alterego | It's neither chinook nor bora. | 20:29 |
| alterego | Just look in the maemo SVN repository. | 20:29 |
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| hexa | yeah I'm searching in it.. thx ;) | 20:29 |
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| timelyx | alterego: which svn is this? | 20:30 |
| hexa | ( i'm looking at : https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/?root=maemo ).. no trace of rtcomm yet.. | 20:31 |
| alterego | stage.maemo.org I'd guess. | 20:31 |
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| hexa | :( best I can find is only the svn with the .dev and th webpage hehe https://garage.maemo.org/svn/rtcomm | 20:32 |
| hexa | er.. .deb I mean | 20:33 |
| timelyx | yeah, i already found that :), http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/find?string=rtcom | 20:33 |
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| alterego | Heh, the SDK is pretty broken. | 20:35 |
| timelyx | how so? | 20:36 |
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| alterego | I'm having to retrieve a _lot_ of source packages to build. | 20:36 |
| alterego | By a _lot_ 4 so far. | 20:36 |
| alterego | ;) | 20:36 |
| zerojay | I retrieve more than that on my daily Gentoo updates. | 20:37 |
| alterego | Serves you right for using gentoo. | 20:37 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 20:37 | |
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| zerojay | It's worth it. | 20:37 |
| alterego | Rubbish. | 20:37 |
| alterego | How is gentoo with it? | 20:37 |
| zerojay | Running a virtual server on Debian has just made me appreciate it so much more. | 20:38 |
| alterego | Hmm .. Can't even find this package >:( | 20:38 |
| alterego | GRR. | 20:38 |
| zerojay | Gentoo, that is. | 20:38 |
| timelyx | alterego: which package? | 20:38 |
| _Monkey | which package are they in? | 20:38 |
| shackan | alterego: welcome to the club | 20:38 |
| zerojay | No downloading and installing a bunch of crap I never use.. | 20:38 |
| alterego | osso-systemui-dbus | 20:38 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget \which package | 20:38 |
| _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching \which package | 20:38 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget which package | 20:38 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot which package | 20:38 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey which package is <reply> | 20:39 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 20:39 |
| alterego | I've had nothing but trouble with gentoo. | 20:39 |
| alterego | Most of the time the installer breaks. | 20:39 |
| zerojay | The GUI installer? | 20:39 |
| zerojay | It's total crap. | 20:39 |
| alterego | And all I hear are people complaining about dependency breakage. | 20:39 |
| zerojay | In about 4 years, I've only had maybe two major problems. | 20:39 |
| alterego | Linux is linux. | 20:40 |
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| zerojay | Both of which when a glibc update came down. | 20:40 |
| alterego | The installer is what makes a distro good. | 20:40 |
| zerojay | Disagree. | 20:40 |
| zerojay | The installer is what makes a distro good for 20 minutes. | 20:40 |
| alterego | Installer and package management. | 20:40 |
| zerojay | Package management is what makes it good. | 20:40 |
| alterego | A distro is no good if it doesn't install :P | 20:40 |
| alterego | gentoo's package manager is broken. | 20:40 |
| alterego | Case closed. | 20:41 |
| alterego | :) | 20:41 |
| zerojay | Thanks. | 20:41 |
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| zerojay | You just proved to me once again that people don't know what "broken" means. | 20:41 |
| alterego | Broken means doesn't work. | 20:41 |
| zerojay | Well, it's been working for me for four years straight, so it's not broken. :) | 20:41 |
| alterego | Like, I'll install X, oh, X needs Y and Z. I'll fall over on my face now. | 20:41 |
| alterego | Maybe you've been lucky. | 20:42 |
| zerojay | That' doesn't happen. | 20:42 |
| alterego | Sure it does. | 20:42 |
| zerojay | Happens in Debian all the time though. | 20:42 |
| alterego | Happened to a friend the other day attempting to install KDE. | 20:42 |
| zerojay | X is in the repository... Y and Z are not. | 20:42 |
| zerojay | Okay.. and what happened? | 20:42 |
| alterego | I've never had any problems with debian that haven't taken a couple of seconds and a google search to fix. | 20:42 |
| alterego | He couldn't install it. | 20:42 |
| zerojay | Debian's a nightmare. | 20:42 |
| alterego | Gave up and installed debian. | 20:42 |
| alterego | Okay, I've had many problems with debian. | 20:43 |
| zerojay | Having to hunt down dependencies on your own... oh, it's not compiled the way you need... | 20:43 |
| alterego | But only maemo SDK problems :) | 20:43 |
| Fatal | heck, if a distribution works for you, use it | 20:43 |
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| alterego | Never had that problem. | 20:43 |
| zerojay | All the time here. | 20:43 |
| zerojay | Constantly. | 20:43 |
| alterego | If I need something compiled in a specific way. I'll do it myself. | 20:43 |
| Fatal | you guys while more than I do | 20:43 |
| Fatal | whine | 20:43 |
| Fatal | :D | 20:44 |
| zerojay | That's exactly why I just stick with Gentoo. | 20:44 |
| Monkulus | mmmm... debian | 20:44 |
| zerojay | If i'm going to have to compile it anyways... | 20:44 |
| alterego | Because you have to compile everything? | 20:44 |
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| alterego | In a specific way? | 20:44 |
| alterego | I don't have that time to waste. | 20:44 |
| alterego | Anyhow, back to my problem .. | 20:44 |
| zerojay | I don't want the same features and packages installed that debian wants. | 20:44 |
| alterego | Where the hell is osso-systemui-dbus | 20:44 |
| alterego | Gentoo isn't a distro. It's a build system. | 20:45 |
| disq | gentoo.sh | 20:45 |
| disq | you say :P | 20:45 |
| alterego | :) | 20:45 |
| timelyx | it in't | 20:46 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=osso-systemui-dbus&find=debian%2Fcontrol | 20:46 |
| timelyx | if it existed, it'd be in the list | 20:46 |
| alterego | Crap. | 20:46 |
| * timelyx tries searching sardine | 20:47 | |
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| alterego | Thanks timelyx yet again you're being a great help ;) | 20:47 |
| timelyx | no entries in the sardine i have | 20:47 |
| alterego | Hmmm. | 20:47 |
| timelyx | note: that search will generally work wonders | 20:47 |
| timelyx | it's by far one of my favorites | 20:48 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's nice :) | 20:48 |
| * timelyx should add it into the suggestions set | 20:48 | |
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| alterego | Hmm./ | 20:48 |
| alterego | I'll see if I can compile the package without that dep >:/ | 20:48 |
| timelyx | ok, it's in the suggestions box :) | 20:50 |
| alterego | Is it possible that osso-systemui-dbus is closed source? | 20:50 |
| timelyx | trivial to check from work | 20:50 |
| timelyx | but i don't want to pull my laptop out | 20:50 |
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| alterego | That's okay. | 20:51 |
| alterego | Hopefully this'll work. | 20:51 |
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| alterego | Nope :/ | 20:52 |
| alterego | This isn't good .. | 20:52 |
| alterego | So .. They publish the alarmd documentation. But they don't have the alarmd-dev package .. Typical. | 20:52 |
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| timelyx | iirc you can file sdk bugs in bugs.maemo | 20:54 |
| alterego | Would this count as a bug? | 20:54 |
| alterego | :) | 20:55 |
| alterego | I've not yet filed a bug. This'll be an experience. | 20:55 |
| Luria | meh. if you want good package management, use a bsd. | 20:56 |
| alterego | pfft | 20:56 |
| timelyx | Luria: fwiw, in my personal opinion, the jury's still out on real package updates | 20:57 |
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| alterego | "Development platform" or "System software"? | 20:58 |
| alterego | I'm thinking system software .. | 20:58 |
| Luria | speaking of which, are we getting the promised "no more reflashing" with chinook? | 20:59 |
| Luria | no one seems to be mentioning that | 20:59 |
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| timelyx | Luria: i think it's a safe bet gps won't work at the flagship :) | 21:01 |
| alterego | That would be cool. | 21:01 |
| Luria | oh wow, i made that comment like 22 hours ago | 21:02 |
| timelyx | Luria: some part of the device isn't part of the normla file system | 21:02 |
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| Luria | thats some lag | 21:02 |
| timelyx | so, some flashing would presumably be required | 21:02 |
| timelyx | Luria: the other comment was re an older comment of yours :) | 21:02 |
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| alterego | Yes, kernel and boot image. | 21:03 |
| Luria | fine, as long as i dont i dont have to wipe the file system :-) | 21:03 |
| Luria | oh well | 21:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, hopefully updates will be easier. | 21:03 |
| alterego | And no intrusive. | 21:03 |
| Luria | yeah, im getting antsy... i backed up source.lst and did dpkg dpkg get-selections today | 21:05 |
| alterego | Great, in the process of filing a bug. I forgot my garage password and found another bug in the bug system :/ | 21:05 |
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| alterego | It must be my lucky day or something. | 21:05 |
| Luria | i cant believe i have to do that | 21:05 |
| timelyx | alterego: what bug? | 21:05 |
| _Monkey | i guess bug is shitty | 21:05 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget bug | 21:05 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot bug | 21:05 |
| timelyx | _Monkey bug is <reply> | 21:05 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 21:05 |
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| alterego | Actually it might not be a bug. | 21:06 |
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| alterego | It says login name in the recovery field but you have to enter your email. | 21:07 |
| Luria | err... why did i type dpkg twice? im nuts. | 21:07 |
| alterego | Though, the email is the login so .. | 21:07 |
| Luria | i think i need food. | 21:07 |
| alterego | You think? :) | 21:08 |
| timelyx | alterego: it might not be an email address | 21:09 |
| timelyx | that's correct for the average case | 21:09 |
| alterego | It is an email address. | 21:09 |
| Luria | maybe i should bike to the villiage and get some jerk chicken sandwiches from the jamaican place... hmmm... | 21:09 |
| alterego | I thought the bugzilla used the garage details. I was wrong, I don't have a bugzilla account. | 21:10 |
| timelyx | alterego: the product does not always use email addresses | 21:10 |
| timelyx | product=bugzilla | 21:10 |
| alterego | Ah, right. | 21:10 |
| l7 | hey, does anyone know if the IT2008 update will boost the n800's processor speed? | 21:11 |
| alterego | l7, appearantly so. | 21:11 |
| timelyx | yes | 21:11 |
| timelyx | note that it's not really a simple boost | 21:11 |
| timelyx | speed becomes dynamic | 21:12 |
| timelyx | 400 is merely the top speed | 21:12 |
| timelyx | instead of a fixed whichever | 21:12 |
| Luria | huh? you mean there wasnt dynamic clocking before? | 21:12 |
| l7 | hmm, does that mean increased battery life? | 21:13 |
| l7 | less heat output, if that is even as issue? | 21:13 |
| Luria | it should, yeah | 21:14 |
| l7 | so that means the n810 and n800 should become close to identical, aside from keyboard and gps | 21:14 |
| Luria | or rather, the battery life it should have had in the first place :-) | 21:14 |
| l7 | and SD slots vs miniSD | 21:14 |
| Luria | and screen, camera, and sd | 21:14 |
| l7 | ohh yeah, n810 has a brighter screen :\ | 21:14 |
| Luria | and usb port | 21:14 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that usb port is not charger | 21:14 |
| l7 | usb port? | 21:14 |
| _Monkey | usb port is not charger | 21:14 |
| l7 | does the n810 lack a usb port too? | 21:15 |
| Luria | supposedly, n810 has a usbtogo working out of the box | 21:15 |
| l7 | oh | 21:15 |
| l7 | i guess n800 requires hacks for usbtogo then | 21:15 |
| Luria | also its micro usb instead of mini or whatever the jargon is | 21:15 |
| Luria | when it works | 21:15 |
| l7 | ehh, micro usb? | 21:16 |
| timelyx | screen is transflexive | 21:16 |
| timelyx | and tied to a light sensor | 21:16 |
| l7 | all my other gadgets are mini-usb | 21:16 |
| l7 | mp3 players and phones | 21:16 |
| Luria | oops, mentioned the screen forgot the sensor. | 21:16 |
| l7 | oh yeah | 21:16 |
| l7 | do you have any problems reading your n800 outside? | 21:16 |
| Luria | tons | 21:16 |
| l7 | ouch | 21:17 |
| timelyx | no, there's no sun here in helsinki most of the year | 21:17 |
| l7 | have you found any work-arounds? | 21:17 |
| timelyx | i have lots of problems testing the n810 for that reason | 21:17 |
| timelyx | walk in the shade :) | 21:17 |
| l7 | hat with brim? | 21:17 |
| Luria | yeah, find a tree and boost the screen output to 100 | 21:17 |
| l7 | hmm | 21:17 |
| l7 | i wonder if the screen is a reason to consider the n810... | 21:17 |
| timelyx | l7: ask me in may :) | 21:18 |
| Luria | it is, but thats about it | 21:18 |
| l7 | timelyx: why in may? :) | 21:18 |
| timelyx | there should be sun in helsinki about then | 21:18 |
| timelyx | if i'm lucky | 21:18 |
| l7 | ahh | 21:18 |
| l7 | man $250 for a screen upgrade... | 21:18 |
| Luria | do they have groundhogs day for the sun? | 21:18 |
| timelyx | that's how i see it | 21:19 |
| l7 | i guess the n810 will drop is price eventually | 21:19 |
| Luria | like the sun comes up, and goes back in, its winter all over for 3 more months? | 21:19 |
| l7 | i wonder if the n810 will be readable in the sun | 21:19 |
| timelyx | that's the theory | 21:19 |
| timelyx | it's supposed to be | 21:19 |
| timelyx | but like i said, i can't test | 21:19 |
| Luria | from youtube, it looks good | 21:19 |
| timelyx | when it should be day, we have clouds | 21:20 |
| l7 | must be depressing | 21:20 |
| timelyx | plus you're supposed to be at work during sun hours | 21:20 |
| Luria | never understood how nokia, with 30% of the cell market could make an outdoor useless device... and then sell a gps navkit thats unreadable | 21:20 |
| timelyx | www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50592 | 21:21 |
| timelyx | Luria: i don't understand nokia at all, that's simpler :) | 21:21 |
| l7 | Luria: trial and error maybe... | 21:21 |
| timelyx | _error_ :) | 21:21 |
| l7 | tablet form factor seems to be new for nokia | 21:22 |
| l7 | :) | 21:22 |
| timelyx | but it's more like _error_ and _trial_, then _new_error_ | 21:22 |
| Luria | i still suspect/hope that the n810 will extend the support the n800 gets | 21:22 |
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| timelyx | but the software is getting better :) | 21:22 |
| l7 | Luria: why wouldn't it, if they both run IT2008? | 21:22 |
| Luria | ah, what i mean is, i remember that users were promised at least 2 more major firmware updates after the skype release | 21:24 |
| l7 | ah | 21:24 |
| Luria | with a new n800 device, i expect it to be more than one more | 21:24 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 21:24 | |
| timelyx | i don't think anyone knows :) | 21:24 |
| l7 | i heard a rumor about another OS release that would maintain IT2007 compatibility too | 21:24 |
| Luria | i guess | 21:24 |
| l7 | n800 still seems like a better deal | 21:25 |
| timelyx | ok, which of: lions for lambs, mr brooks, the heartbreak kid, the brave one, and easter promises is worth seeing? | 21:25 |
| l7 | but i still can't decide | 21:25 |
| timelyx | keep in mind that i don't have any interest in saw iv or anything else listed on http://www.finnkino.fi/?lang=eng | 21:25 |
| timelyx | l7: buy the n800, play w/ it for a year | 21:26 |
| timelyx | then consider whether you want to buy an n810 :) | 21:26 |
| l7 | timelyx: hmm, i guess i will want to see if i can live w/o a sliding keyboard and screen that works outside | 21:26 |
| Luria | why not, superbad was cute. | 21:27 |
| l7 | is the GPS really unusuable? | 21:27 |
| timelyx | i don't know anything about superbad | 21:27 |
| timelyx | what is it? | 21:27 |
| Luria | coming of age comedy | 21:27 |
| timelyx | is it worth $15? | 21:27 |
| timelyx | that's about the going rate here | 21:28 |
| Luria | no, a torrent maybe :-) | 21:28 |
| Luria | oh in theater, maybe | 21:28 |
| Luria | damn, thats as bad as nyc | 21:28 |
| timelyx | right, movie tickets | 21:28 |
| Luria | well, google it | 21:28 |
| timelyx | what about shoot em up? | 21:29 |
| Luria | looked like dreck. i would do eastern promises over that any day | 21:30 |
| * timelyx crosses off the brave one | 21:30 | |
| timelyx | ok, eastern promises sounds like it | 21:30 |
| l7 | movies are $15 in finland? | 21:30 |
| timelyx | 10 EUR | 21:30 |
| timelyx | try the exchange | 21:30 |
| l7 | ah | 21:31 |
| l7 | too bad about the dollar dropping | 21:31 |
| l7 | i hope it doesn't affect nokia hardware prices too badly :\ | 21:31 |
| timelyx | it isn't, nokia's already stupid about them :) | 21:32 |
| Luria | cheaper to buy from ti, maybe :-) | 21:32 |
| l7 | what's ti? | 21:32 |
| timelyx | chip vendor | 21:32 |
| l7 | texas instruments? | 21:32 |
| Luria | yeah | 21:32 |
| l7 | oh yeah | 21:32 |
| l7 | i guess it balances out | 21:32 |
| timelyx | but seriously, until the dollar hits some other price point companies will probably keep their 1=1 match | 21:33 |
| timelyx | i don't know if that's 2$=1EUR or 3$=1EUR or something else | 21:33 |
| Luria | its not the prices that would annoy me... thats the same here. the fact that the movies are 3-6 months old | 21:33 |
| db48x | does anyone here know what maemo-summoner does, exactly? | 21:33 |
| timelyx | but atm it's just too dangerous to let prices float | 21:33 |
| Luria | 2/1 would do it | 21:33 |
| timelyx | db48x: it's an evil preload hack | 21:33 |
| db48x | well, I know it's evil | 21:33 |
| l7 | hmm | 21:33 |
| timelyx | or rather launcher does | 21:33 |
| timelyx | summoner iirc is the "less" evil cousin | 21:34 |
| timelyx | iirc launcher basically forks a copy of a binary that has most of gnome loaded | 21:34 |
| db48x | it seems that when I use maemo-summoner the summoned app doesn't recieve it's command line arguments | 21:34 |
| Luria | it brings forth a daedroth lord too | 21:34 |
| timelyx | and then listens to some sort of message passer | 21:34 |
| timelyx | dlopens the victim "app", and then calls a main()-like entry point | 21:34 |
| alterego | There's no product for alarmd what do I do? | 21:34 |
| timelyx | alterego: file your bug against the sdk team | 21:35 |
| timelyx | this isn't a bug in alarmd, it's in the sdk | 21:35 |
| db48x | timeless: weird | 21:35 |
| timelyx | i believe summoner basically skips the fork and just does the other parts | 21:35 |
| timelyx | db48x: you know nscp's attempts at preload, no? | 21:35 |
| db48x | timelyx: why is that neccessary? | 21:35 |
| timelyx | which? the fork? | 21:35 |
| db48x | oh, this is preloading gtk libs, rather than the app | 21:35 |
| timelyx | ld.so *sucks* :) | 21:35 |
| timelyx | oh, and so does a lot of other stuff underneath (and above) it :) | 21:36 |
| alterego | What about priority? | 21:36 |
| alterego | It's pretty important to me .. | 21:36 |
| alterego | :) | 21:36 |
| timelyx | leave that alone for now | 21:36 |
| alterego | Okay | 21:36 |
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| tko | maemo-launcher just saves memory and startup time | 21:36 |
| tko | maemo-summoner just helps debugging | 21:37 |
| kulve | and arguments get passed through the launcher at least | 21:37 |
| tko | maemo-launcher requires the application to be dynamically loadable module which executable generally aren't, so instead they need to be converted to shared libraries. But then you can't run shared libraries from command line so you need maemo-summoner | 21:38 |
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| alterego | Bug submitted. | 21:45 |
| * alterego looks for something else to do. | 21:45 | |
| alterego | I'll do abook instead .. | 21:46 |
| alterego | Hmm .. Doesn't exist. | 21:48 |
| timelyx | ? | 21:48 |
| alterego | Old lib. Must have been from bora. | 21:48 |
| timelyx | use the xref to pick victims | 21:48 |
| * acydlord is a happy geek today | 21:49 | |
| timelyx | it only has things from chinook :) | 21:49 |
| acydlord | i got confirmation on my developers discount yesterday | 21:49 |
| alterego | I'll do cst instead. | 21:49 |
| bedboi | is there a 3.x -> 4.x guide? | 21:49 |
| alterego | acydlord, congrats :) | 21:49 |
| timelyx | yuck | 21:49 |
| acydlord | thanks | 21:49 |
| alterego | Yeah. | 21:50 |
| timelyx | cst must die someday | 21:50 |
| alterego | It's new :P | 21:50 |
| alterego | What would you suggest I do? | 21:50 |
| timelyx | don't expect me to have a clue what's in chinook :) | 21:51 |
| alterego | Hah | 21:51 |
| timelyx | i build xrefs so i don't have to look unless someone asks | 21:51 |
| timelyx | and then, i usually only look to guide people through using the xref so they won't ask next time | 21:52 |
| alterego | Do you think it's worth doing rtcomm bindings? | 21:52 |
| alterego | Actually, I know someone who'd need those. Esp, libaccounts | 21:53 |
| alterego | O_o | 21:54 |
| alterego | I can't find that either. | 21:54 |
| * alterego uses your tool. | 21:54 | |
| alterego | It's not there. | 21:55 |
| alterego | wtf. | 21:55 |
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| alterego | Did they actually bother putting any of this stuff in .. | 21:56 |
| alterego | Unless rtcomm is external. | 21:56 |
| * alterego slaps head. | 21:56 | |
| db48x | I guess I have to get this arm compiler working to debug this | 21:58 |
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| * db48x laments vmware | 22:02 | |
| _|Nix|_ | Is there a place where the valid syntax for hildon-desktop .desktop files is documented? | 22:02 |
| * timelyx chuckles | 22:02 | |
| alterego | freedesktop.org | 22:02 |
| _|Nix|_ | In particular, I'm interested to know if/how it supports localized Name= entries | 22:02 |
| alterego | The installation document for 4.0 has got quite a few errors in it. | 22:04 |
| alterego | Firstly, sudo where it should be fakeroot, secondly the nokia-binaries installer should be run _outside_ of scratchbox, where the example shows the SDK prompt .. | 22:04 |
| * alterego dispairs | 22:05 | |
| _|Nix|_ | Can you edit the page? *shrug* | 22:05 |
| alterego | It's a text document. | 22:05 |
| timelyx | alterego: file bugs :) | 22:05 |
| Luria | did they ever document the vkb system | 22:06 |
| alterego | Would you say this is a development platform issue or a documentation issue? | 22:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | Hmmm ... the image-viewer.desktop file uses logical IDs for Name= and Comment= ... I wonder which setting tells hildon-desktop the translation domain they're coming from ... | 22:06 |
| Luria | oh wait, i think i found it | 22:06 |
| Luria | never mind | 22:06 |
| kaltsi | bedboi alterego file it under development platform, that'll get it to the right guys | 22:07 |
| alterego | default is com.nokia _|Nix|_ that goes for basically everything in maemo | 22:07 |
| kaltsi | oops, minus bedboi | 22:07 |
| alterego | kaltsi, thanks :) | 22:07 |
| _|Nix|_ | alterego: Wha ... ? com.nokia? I'm talking about the translation domain ... | 22:07 |
| Luria | no guess not | 22:07 |
| alterego | Hmm, I thought you meant service. | 22:08 |
| _|Nix|_ | I've traced the image viewer logical ID to osso-imageviewer.mo | 22:09 |
| _|Nix|_ | However, osso-imageviewer is not listed anywhere in the .desktop file ... | 22:09 |
| * DRoBeR is away: show(er) time | 22:11 | |
| timelyx | have you considered reading: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-desktop-0.0.34/libhildondesktop/ | 22:11 |
| _|Nix|_ | UTSL, eh? | 22:12 |
| timelyx | ok, who wants to file a bug on libhildondesktop? :) | 22:12 |
| timelyx | alterego? :) | 22:12 |
| alterego | I don't like filing bugs :P | 22:13 |
| timelyx | you think because i've filed more than anyone else in bugzilla.mozilla.org that i do? | 22:13 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:14 |
| alterego | Obviously :P | 22:14 |
| alterego | I think I know why it's not changing your karma timelyx | 22:15 |
| alterego | Are you using different email addresses for bugs and your maemo profile? | 22:15 |
| timelyx | i don't think so | 22:16 |
| * timelyx has no idea where such a bug would belong, that's left as an exercise | 22:16 | |
| alterego | Well, if you are it might be that the karma calculation software is having a hard time finding you ;) | 22:16 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-desktop-0.0.34/libhildondesktop/hildon-desktop-item.c#108 "plugin that cant'be destroyed", | 22:16 |
| timelyx | alterego: bugzilla.mozilla.org != bugs.maemo.org | 22:16 |
| timelyx | and i don't care about karma | 22:16 |
| alterego | As they appear to be two completely unrelated systems. There must be some way it knows who you are. | 22:16 |
| alterego | Just pointing out why it might not be working :P | 22:17 |
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| kaltsi | bedboi about converting apps from 3.2 -> 4.0 there's a document about API changes: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html | 22:30 |
| kaltsi | also the doc about writing new apps was updated: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/how_to_write_new_application_in_maemo_4-0.html | 22:30 |
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| timelyx | cute | 22:40 |
| timelyx | Axel (Password Swordfish) was translated as Alex | 22:41 |
| timelyx | they didn't translate Torvalds ... | 22:41 |
| timelyx | should Linus be translated Lisun in English? | 22:42 |
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| db48x | timelyx: heh | 22:48 |
| zerojay | timelyx: What are you reading? | 22:50 |
| timelyx | finnish subtitles for password swordfish | 22:51 |
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| kaltsi | those subtitle translators must have some inside prank competition of who can get most faults through | 22:54 |
| _|Nix|_ | Thanks for thie idea, timelyx ... I found "X-Text-Domain=...", but that only works with Chinook-and-later hildon-desktop ... I guess Gregale and Bora users will not benefit from localized .desktop files :o( | 22:59 |
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| timelyx | kaltsi: from reviewing bug reports for itos2008, i think the finns are pretty clear against most western translations | 23:04 |
| timelyx | their only competition would be the russians | 23:04 |
| timelyx | for people who object: *i* filed the bug about finnish, and it was shipped w/ 2008 | 23:05 |
| timelyx | oh, and i don't speak Finnish | 23:05 |
| timelyx | and for people who object to that, i enrolled in a class last week :) | 23:05 |
| tko | timelyx: umm, you're saying finns are against having stuff translated? | 23:06 |
| timelyx | tko: yes | 23:06 |
| timelyx | as are the russians | 23:06 |
| timelyx | they don't bother filing bugs | 23:06 |
| timelyx | but, no, that's not really what i'm saying :) | 23:06 |
| kaltsi | hmm I was talking about movie translations.. :) | 23:07 |
| timelyx | tko: and no, i didn't actually say that | 23:07 |
| timelyx | i said that the translators are in favor of piss poor translations | 23:07 |
| timelyx | and seem to do a good job of getting their's published | 23:07 |
| _|Nix|_ | What ?! | 23:07 |
| tko | I generally ignore movie translations anywa | 23:07 |
| tko | y | 23:07 |
| timelyx | heh | 23:07 |
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| tko | swordfish is humorous on other levels as well, translations is the least of its problems :) | 23:10 |
| tko | reminds me of "this is unix! I know this!" | 23:11 |
| * timelyx chuckles | 23:12 | |
| timelyx | it was irix, right? | 23:12 |
| _|Nix|_ | Woah! On 770, the translation domain for all applications was that of maemo-af-desktop? | 23:12 |
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| timelyx | _|Nix|_: i'm way too lazy to ask my computer at work | 23:13 |
| timelyx | why ask things at >11pm on a saturday night? | 23:13 |
| * _|Nix|_ is looking at the code on stage: menu_item = gtk_image_menu_item_new_with_label(_(application_name)); | 23:13 | |
| _|Nix|_ | Trying to get localized menu entries for Pidginon < Chinook. | 23:14 |
| tko | IIRC hildon-desktop is one of the better documented sources. it doesn't mention such thing in the docs? | 23:14 |
| _|Nix|_ | hildon-desktop did not exist in N770, AFAIK. | 23:14 |
| tko | well, true, it's been rewritten twice since | 23:15 |
| _|Nix|_ | tko: I found X-Text-Domain=<text-domain> for Chinook, but it doesn't work for Bora ... | 23:15 |
| timelyx | only twice? not bad :) | 23:15 |
| disq | timeless: ballmer peak. | 23:15 |
| timelyx | disq: eh? | 23:15 |
| disq | reason to ask things at >11pm on a saturday night | 23:15 |
| timelyx | i don't drink | 23:16 |
| timelyx | and i try to avoid ssh'ing to work on weekends | 23:16 |
| _|Nix|_ | Yep ... sure enough ... maemo-af-desktop.mo:1433:imag_ap_image_viewer_name ... wow ... | 23:17 |
| _|Nix|_ | Hmmm, but also osso-imageviewer.mo:761:imag_ap_image_viewer_name | 23:17 |
| _|Nix|_ | Still ... | 23:17 |
| timelyx | right, the app version is for its app title | 23:19 |
| timelyx | the other is for the task navigator item | 23:19 |
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| alterego | Heh | 23:19 |
| timelyx | oops | 23:20 |
| timelyx | they translated Axel correctly later | 23:20 |
| timelyx | when they declared him dead :) | 23:21 |
| alterego | Any resources on libhildondesktop for creating applets? | 23:21 |
| * tko didn't even notice | 23:21 | |
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| alterego | Okay, might be on to something now :) | 23:24 |
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