| timeless | but he took advantage of an error, that's my fault | 00:00 |
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| alterego | Of course. | 00:00 |
| alterego | czr, are these coroutines anything like my callback methods? | 00:00 |
| czr | alterego, debugging the stuff is pretty close to impossible though. gdb segfaults :-) | 00:00 |
| czr | alterego, oh no. | 00:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:00 |
| czr | they're much closer to the continuations stuff. no anonymous functions required at all. | 00:01 |
| alterego | I don't entirely understand this idea. | 00:01 |
| czr | think about regular function call chains. function a calls function b calls function c which cannot continue immediately. it is then frozen until an external event will unfreeze it and it will continue. | 00:01 |
| czr | (and at some point return to b, and return to a) | 00:01 |
| alterego | Right | 00:02 |
| czr | point being that implementing a and b do not need any special support for this. they're used just like regular functions | 00:02 |
| alterego | Ah. | 00:02 |
| czr | I wanted to implement a fast memory allocator for this as well, but decided that C isn't really useful for that | 00:03 |
| alterego | So, without recursion? | 00:03 |
| czr | maybe I'll rewrite it using LLVM at some point. | 00:03 |
| alterego | More like leap frogging or something. | 00:03 |
| czr | recursion has nothing to do with this. functions can recurse if they want. | 00:03 |
| alterego | I'm just looking at an example on wikipedia. | 00:04 |
| czr | alterego, think of a simple UDP-based networking application. you send a request and can continue only after a response (or a timeout) | 00:04 |
| czr | search for 'co-routine implementation in C'. most of them don't work properly and do not support external wakeups though. | 00:04 |
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| timeless | sp3000: can you look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146#c19 | 00:04 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:04 |
| timeless | i want to know how that works? | 00:04 |
| czr | it's pretty crazy though, don't expect to find anything that works :-) | 00:04 |
| timeless | s/.$/./ | 00:04 |
| milhouse | timeless - _monkey can help with bug references, eg. bug 2146 comment 19 | 00:05 |
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| milhouse | oh bugger, that should have worked... | 00:05 |
| timeless | i'd have to copy them | 00:05 |
| milhouse | bug 2146 comment 19 | 00:05 |
| timeless | the urls are easier to reach | 00:05 |
| milhouse | hmmm... borked | 00:05 |
| doublec | protothreads is quite nice: http://www.sics.se/~adam/pt/ | 00:05 |
| milhouse | _monkey has dieed | 00:05 |
| doublec | for C anyway | 00:06 |
| alterego | Crap. | 00:06 |
| sp3000 | timeless: which part | 00:06 |
| czr | alterego, the thing gets much more interesting once you want multiple concurrent co-routine domains ("threads" or whatever you want to call them). | 00:06 |
| alterego | The API breaks between bora and chinook are kind of annoying. | 00:06 |
| czr | alterego, and obviously memory allocation and transactional cancellation is pretty hard to do (impossible in C pretty much). | 00:06 |
| timeless | sp3000: how it's sharing passwords | 00:06 |
| timeless | is it using an external js file? | 00:07 |
| timeless | if so, i can include that from a random site, right? | 00:07 |
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| alterego | I think I'll just stop ruby-maemo support < OS2008 | 00:07 |
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| milhouse | bug 2146 comment 19 | 00:07 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2146 comment 19 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146#c19 | 00:07 |
| timeless | that's funny | 00:07 |
| milhouse | _monkey good boy | 00:07 |
| _Monkey | :) | 00:07 |
| timeless | i set votes to confirm or misdirected to 20 | 00:08 |
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| timeless | milhouse: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403094 filed | 00:11 |
| timeless | thanks | 00:11 |
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| milhouse | no thank you :) | 00:11 |
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| timeless | anyway, if 3 becomes an issue, well.... it's easily bumpable | 00:12 |
| milhouse | does that mean in maemo bugzilla the setting is now 3? | 00:12 |
| timeless | yes | 00:13 |
| milhouse | cool, many thanks | 00:13 |
| timeless | most of the bugs i saw had about 3 people complaining about them | 00:13 |
| timeless | and they were generally real enough | 00:13 |
| timeless | making the number too high can encourage people to game the system by creating clone accounts | 00:14 |
| milhouse | not sure i can see the point myself - not sure votes have that much influence | 00:14 |
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| milhouse | at least not much influence in maemo bugzilla, maybe more influence elsewhere | 00:15 |
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| timeless | what's #milhouse ?? | 00:16 |
| sp3000 | heh 'This may be due to me missing the "do not use capital letters" in the username section when I created the account.' | 00:17 |
| timeless | "10 people consistnetly strongly feel this is important" | 00:18 |
| timeless | engineers generally ignore voting | 00:19 |
| timeless | but at least, in a world like this w/ a company, it's potentially useful | 00:19 |
| timeless | the reason for the comment itself is because votes are transient | 00:20 |
| timeless | if a bug has 2 votes today, is unconfirmed, and the threshold is 3 | 00:20 |
| timeless | you want something to record when/why/how the bug transitioned to confirmed | 00:20 |
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| timeless | now,bugzilla could theoretically seal into the activity log a list of all the voters it took to confirm the bug | 00:21 |
| timeless | but... it doesn't :) | 00:21 |
| milhouse | blimey... bug 621 can be closed now surely? | 00:21 |
| _Monkey | Bug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621 | 00:21 |
| milhouse | (just going through the top voted bugs...) | 00:22 |
| milhouse | 621 has 19 votes - "Unable to use 2GB MMC cards" :) | 00:22 |
| timeless | can you go through fixed bugs and set target milestones to the version that had the fix? | 00:23 |
| milhouse | me? i can give it a try | 00:23 |
| milhouse | should i close them too? | 00:23 |
| milhouse | -> CLOSED? | 00:23 |
| timeless | persoanlly i'd just move things to verified | 00:23 |
| milhouse | who should close the bug? | 00:23 |
| timeless | i like to reserve closed for an admin to come up w/ a story | 00:23 |
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| timeless | arguably products that have shipped or retired are a fairly good choice | 00:24 |
| milhouse | i'd agree, but do we have anyone doing that? | 00:24 |
| timeless | so probably all verified 770 bugs should transition to closed | 00:24 |
| timeless | but that'd involve talking to jake/quim | 00:24 |
| timeless | and i have other problems | 00:24 |
| timeless | Bugfix update #2 - This is the latest one currently! | 00:24 |
| * timeless chuckles | 00:24 | |
| milhouse | bug 621 should have been closed when OS 2006 3.2006.49-2 (or was it 2.2006.39-14?) shipped | 00:24 |
| _Monkey | Bug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621 | 00:24 |
| timeless | dunno | 00:25 |
| sp3000 | dunno if closed adds a whole lot of value | 00:25 |
| timeless | finding the release notes is a pain | 00:25 |
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| milhouse | sp3000 - takes it out of the searches | 00:25 |
| sp3000 | ew | 00:25 |
| * sp3000 dislikes anything that takes things out of searches :) | 00:25 | |
| sp3000 | in the general case anyhow | 00:25 |
| milhouse | :) i guess i could exclude resolved from my search! | 00:26 |
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| timeless | http://nokia770.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/2200639-14-it2006-release-notes/ | 00:26 |
| milhouse | anyone remember when 2gb support was added - 2nd or 3rd release of OS 2006? | 00:26 |
| timeless | it's that one | 00:26 |
| timeless | it's explicitly listed :) | 00:26 |
| timeless | o Capability to use 2GB RS-MMC memory cards | 00:26 |
| milhouse | that looks like 3.2006 - thanks timeless | 00:26 |
| timeless | no | 00:27 |
| milhouse | ooh... now the milestone is in terms of maemo... so 3.2006 of OS 2006 is 2.1? | 00:27 |
| timeless | # | 00:27 |
| timeless | # 2.1 - 2.2006.39-14 scirocco | 00:27 |
| milhouse | 2.2? | 00:27 |
| _Monkey | well, 2.2 is the latest official it2006 | 00:27 |
| timeless | gah | 00:27 |
| timeless | 2.2006.39-14 IT2006 Release Notes | 00:27 |
| timeless | so it's 2.1 | 00:27 |
| milhouse | ah ok - thanks | 00:28 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ | 00:28 |
| timeless | has the "table" | 00:28 |
| milhouse | handy | 00:28 |
| timeless | yeah :) | 00:28 |
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| timeless | Have I visited this website before today? Yes, 32 times | 00:29 |
| milhouse | updated milestone to 2.1 on bug 621, left it resolved fixed | 00:29 |
| timeless | (so says minefield) | 00:29 |
| _Monkey | Bug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621 | 00:29 |
| milhouse | have just emailed about 30 peeps... :) | 00:29 |
| timeless | i've visited the internal one ~400 times :) | 00:29 |
| timeless | course, part of that might have been while i was writing the page :) | 00:30 |
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| * sp3000 likes how the content on that page info pane fits into the window ...not | 00:32 | |
| milhouse | bug 976 was fixed in 3.2 i believe... anyone disagree? | 00:33 |
| _Monkey | Bug 976 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 | 00:33 |
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| timeless | sp3000: how's bug 65511 look? | 00:33 |
| _Monkey | Bug 65511 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65511 | 00:33 |
| timeless | or it might not be! | 00:33 |
| alterego | Hmm .. I'm going to have to restructure my project page. | 00:33 |
| alterego | I didn't think about different package versioning .. | 00:33 |
| milhouse | timeless - doesn't look like anyone is willing to verify it's fixed! | 00:34 |
| alterego | independant version even .. | 00:34 |
| bstock | hey i'm trying to install maemo mapper on OS2006, its saying 'Depends: hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.24-3) but 0.12.22-1 is to be installed' | 00:34 |
| bstock | is there a repo or something for hildon-libs0 i can add? | 00:34 |
| alterego | bstock, look at the numbers. | 00:34 |
| sp3000 | that looks like in a likely range for a tracker I can't see from here :) | 00:34 |
| timeless | milhouse: well, they claim it was fixed in a release, 3.2 seems like the only one | 00:34 |
| bstock | alterego: ya, it wants a newer version of hildon-libs | 00:34 |
| alterego | Maybe you should update to OS2007HE | 00:35 |
| timeless | oh, could you set the hardware, os, and version? | 00:35 |
| timeless | n800/itos/3.0 | 00:35 |
| bstock | last time i tried that, i couldn't run maemo mapper at all, nor xournal | 00:35 |
| bstock | and those are the 2 apps i use most heavily | 00:35 |
| milhouse | timeless - done | 00:35 |
| timeless | milhouse: there are 17 voters, a reporter, and 2 cc's | 00:35 |
| milhouse | you'd think someone would have commented if it was still happening | 00:36 |
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| timeless | i think it's not unreasonable to make a note to yourself to send them an email in 7 days asking if any of them have had problems, have not upgraded, etc | 00:36 |
| * timeless likes the taktaktak account in bugs.maemo :) | 00:37 | |
| alterego | Hmm, I'm gonna be releasing 0.3.0 tomorrow. | 00:37 |
| alterego | Well, I could do it tonight I guess. | 00:37 |
| timeless | gah, sp3000, what version do you have? | 00:38 |
| timeless | i think i have 39 and maybe a 42 | 00:38 |
| * timeless hunts a 42 | 00:38 | |
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| sp3000 | still w26 :D | 00:38 |
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| timeless | hrm, i should use a picure from stress for his :) | 00:39 |
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| * sp3000 dislikes "latest" | 00:42 | |
| timeless | um, bluetooth is flaky | 00:43 |
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| * timeless kicks bluetooth for being modal | 00:44 | |
| sp3000 | use gnomevfs-copy from command-line :P | 00:45 |
| timeless | nice, web browser pops to front at least twice while loading in the "background" | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | whodunnit, content or chrome | 00:46 |
| alterego | timeless, yeah. That's f*cking annoying. | 00:46 |
| sp3000 | clearly I don't download things enough :) | 00:46 |
| timeless | sp3000: download? | 00:47 |
| _Monkey | download is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs. | 00:47 |
| alterego | I get that from opening pages and task switching | 00:47 |
| timeless | i'm talking about launching from tn | 00:47 |
| alterego | Not downloading files. | 00:47 |
| timeless | and then opening images(app from tn) | 00:47 |
| timeless | it pops o front twice while i'm using images | 00:47 |
| milhouse | alterego: me too, fcking annoying | 00:47 |
| alterego | :) | 00:48 |
| sp3000 | hum | 00:48 |
| sp3000 | I don't think I see that | 00:48 |
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| sp3000 | that is, infrequently enough that I'd like to blame content for asking for something resembling that | 00:49 |
| milhouse | sp3000: try and view a complex page and then switch away to another window/app using the task switch - it's nigh on impossible depending on the complexity of the page being downloaded | 00:49 |
| milhouse | i wonder if it's got anything to do with changing page title etc. | 00:49 |
| timeless | oh, sp3000? | 00:49 |
| timeless | can you find an image that's 600x300? | 00:49 |
| timeless | at that size, it should fit into the browser normally, right? | 00:50 |
| sp3000 | milhouse: testcase? | 00:50 |
| sp3000 | can I blame a plugin? :) | 00:50 |
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| timeless | sp3000: suppose you zoom that image | 00:50 |
| milhouse | sp3000: hmm... tricky... i tend to notice it on forum pages | 00:50 |
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| timeless | say to 240% | 00:50 |
| timeless | at this point, the image will no longer fit on the screen, right? | 00:50 |
| timeless | what should happen if you tap the image? :) | 00:51 |
| sp3000 | istr there might be some forum software that is/canbeconfiguredtobe focus() happy? | 00:51 |
| milhouse | mind you, the task switcher and application focus is pretty screwed up - see bug 2185 | 00:52 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2185 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2185 | 00:52 |
| timeless | cool. | 00:53 |
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| timeless | you can't click to shrink an image if it's 600x360 and it is zoomed to 240% :) | 00:53 |
| * alterego packages up ruby-maemo 0.3.0 :) | 00:54 | |
| sp3000 | hrm, our history isn't gooey-configurable to a useful size? | 00:55 |
| alterego | Hahah | 00:55 |
| timeless | of course not | 00:55 |
| timeless | but you can gooey configure some "cache" | 00:55 |
| timeless | and "automatic redirection" | 00:55 |
| sp3000 | timeless: like http://nullfield.dyndns.org/~tt/an-image-that-is-600x300.png ? | 00:55 |
| timeless | that's the red button painted on the side of a wall | 00:55 |
| timeless | it doesn't do anything :) | 00:55 |
| timeless | sp3000: i used Images, loaded panda, and used resize 75% :) | 00:56 |
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| timeless | sorry :) | 00:56 |
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| timeless | zooming an image doesn't trigger "Updating" | 01:05 |
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| timeless | even tough tthat'd be bboth logical and useful | 01:05 |
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| sp3001 | not that I'm interested in the history size being gooey-configurable, more like it being of a useful size :\ | 01:06 |
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| timeless | wha do you mean by history? | 01:06 |
| timeless | bfcache, back/forward nav? | 01:06 |
| timeless | history count? | 01:06 |
| timeless | (i.e. window) | 01:06 |
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| sp3000 | the one that saves me typing :) | 01:09 |
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| timeless | vkb :) | 01:11 |
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| sp3000 | vkb is somewhat less informed in that input domain :\ | 01:12 |
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| sp3000 | hm, 9 days apparently. it's short enough to feel unreliable | 01:13 |
| sp3000 | but of course it depends on usage pattern from user to another how frequently it'll fail | 01:14 |
| * sp3000 adds a zero | 01:15 | |
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| timeless | sp3000: | 01:45 |
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| timeless | 2. In testing it seems that you may need to zoom | 01:45 |
| timeless | once first before you can use tap to shrink to fit after having previously | 01:45 |
| timeless | scaled an image in the window. | 01:45 |
| timeless | that bug's *great* :) | 01:45 |
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| * sp3000 notices this old microb gets a js alert title in finnish that is ...well, the kind of alert that involves klaxons or such | 02:01 | |
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| timeless | klaxons? | 02:03 |
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| timeless | it's probably eal, most likely there's no api for it exposed in eal (i.e., it probably assumes this won't happen) | 02:04 |
| atariii | anyone here got the xterm advanced deb? the rep and one click install seems down :( | 02:04 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: otoh I don't suppose the englishh term makes any more sense | 02:16 |
| sp3000 | since for a non-technical audience I suppose 'alert' means something bad happened | 02:18 |
| sp3000 | then again, a js alert() happening is something bad :P | 02:18 |
| milhouse | oh man, all i got for my 16th birdway was a video game... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/08/school_incident | 02:18 |
| milhouse | s/birdway/birthday/ | 02:18 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: oh man, all i got for my 16th birthday was a video game... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/08/school_incident | 02:18 |
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| MarkusT | This might be a strange question :-). My sister is searching for an "ebay capable" device for her husband. So that he's able to surf ebay from the living room. I think a N800 is a nice tool for that, but since I'm not owning one, I can't tell for sure. I installed the maemo sdk to check how ebay would look on a maemo system, but it seems no browser is available in the repositories. I also searched google images for some screenshots, but couldn't fi | 02:53 |
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| alterego | MarkusT, you have to zoom out one level to fit the whole width but it renders perfectly on the device. | 02:55 |
| alterego | MarkusT, http://alterego.freeshell.org/ebay-n800.png | 02:57 |
| lopz | re | 02:58 |
| MarkusT | Thank you *sooooooooooooo* much alterego! The device will be his x-mas present, so you might have made him quite happy. Thanks again! | 02:59 |
| alterego | No problem :) | 02:59 |
| sciboy | Zoooom | 03:00 |
| alterego | ruby-maemo 0.3.0 is now out. | 03:00 |
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| alterego | With hildon-fm and a few bug fixes. | 03:00 |
| sciboy | alterego, It's official, I'm now a blender junky. I'll be specialising in it as my main tool for animation etc. | 03:00 |
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| alterego | sciboy, nice. From what I've used of it, it's very agreable :) | 03:01 |
| sciboy | It's the one tool I keep coming back to, might as well stick to it. | 03:01 |
| sciboy | It's powerful and reliable. =P | 03:02 |
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| sciboy | Plus macro's will be implemented soon and things are going to be insanely easy after that. | 03:02 |
| sciboy | That was my only real concern since I tend to repeat settings a lot. | 03:04 |
| alterego | Ah | 03:04 |
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| alterego | Is it me or are those pidgin folks cheating .. | 03:09 |
| alterego | Setting their updated date to some time in the future so they're always at the to of the "Fresh" list in the downloads page. | 03:09 |
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| sciboy | Having something that to me should've taken a few seconds for each of the hundreds of objects I'd be setting up, instead taking 5 minutes to hit all the right options was disconcerting. | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:16 |
| sp3000 | oh, some maemo css still makes visited links larger than unvisited ones | 03:17 |
| sp3000 | sigfh | 03:17 |
| sp3000 | sigh even | 03:17 |
| * sp3000 should bug. tomorrow. | 03:18 | |
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| Luria | hmmm | 04:26 |
| Luria | quiet all around. | 04:26 |
| Luria | any reliable rumors as to the chinook release? | 04:27 |
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| Luria | guess not | 04:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha. I've been doing VNC demos for people considering buying an N800. | 04:54 |
| ol_schoola | thats nothin. just use it to stream your recorded shows and vids from your mythtv system via ssh or vpn. that'll stop em dead | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:58 |
| ol_schoola | i've had my 800 six days and ... and ... and ... well, there's just to much joy right now to even speak | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | No MythTV rig here. :P | 04:58 |
| * ol_schoola doesn't know what bell or whistle to play with next | 04:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Quake | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | duh | 04:59 |
| ol_schoola | omg | 04:59 |
| ol_schoola | i am afk for the next three hours | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | aflegg's mediaserv | 04:59 |
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| ol_schoola | now what would i want a mediaserv app for with a myth backend? | 05:00 |
| lord_moonraker | Greetings and Salutations | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fair enough | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get FBReader yet? | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maemo mapper | 05:01 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Carman, if you have an OBD-ii reader | 05:01 |
| ol_schoola | trying to get maps from winmapper to work | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | They wont | 05:01 |
| ol_schoola | FBreader rocks | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.0 changed to databases | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | the old directory system no longer works | 05:02 |
| ol_schoola | well, in my defense, i've had it for less than a week. trying to cull through the fora and list archives is .... tasking | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 05:03 |
| ol_schoola | but i wish i knew that yesterday afternoon before i invested that time | 05:03 |
| ol_schoola | any other method of getting map data in there without autoloading? | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | manage maps | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | in the menu | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | select the region and zoom levels | 05:04 |
| ol_schoola | k | 05:04 |
| ol_schoola | what does that get me? | 05:05 |
| ol_schoola | oh, does that bound a rect around the area i want maps for and never dl's from outside it? | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | chached maps | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll still autodownload maps from everywhere | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | that just caches the area. | 05:06 |
| ol_schoola | right, but how do i get the greater metro Chicago area in there very quickly | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | frame the greater metro Chicago area in the view | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | go to the manage maps | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | select the zoom levels you want | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | make sure its set to view area | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | and click download | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | or tap ;) | 05:07 |
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| ol_schoola | oh, i see | 05:08 |
| ol_schoola | i think i'll just go rtfm ;) | 05:08 |
| ol_schoola | i really am in the candy store 8-) | 05:08 |
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| ol_schoola | i think i'll need the ac adapter | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just keep it plugged in while your at home | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | you're* | 05:09 |
| lord_moonraker | does anybody know why an app gets killed after 15 seconds when launched from menu? the app works fine when launched from command line.. its a pygtk app | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your .desktop is messed up? | 05:11 |
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| lord_moonraker | oh, ok, i thought it may be the .service file | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, it could be that | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really don't know | 05:13 |
| lord_moonraker | ok thanks, maybe its just my n800 | 05:13 |
| lord_moonraker | hey thanks!!, i found the problem, this line was causing the problem, X-Osso-Service=org.maemo.garage.pyaxelwii | 05:18 |
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| lord_moonraker | in the .desktop file | 05:20 |
| lord_moonraker | GeneralAntilles:thanks again, i've been trying to find an answer for the past two days! now i can release my v0.9.3:) | 05:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure thing. | 05:21 |
| ol_schoola | GeneralAntilles: thx for that, downloading fine now | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 05:25 |
| ol_schoola | one more if you have a mo' | 05:25 |
| ol_schoola | can you copy the cache file to mmc2 and redirect mapper to it? | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just have to change the location of the map databases | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | in the repositories setup | 05:26 |
| ol_schoola | it will move them? neat | 05:26 |
| ol_schoola | thx a bunch. i gotta knock off, 'twas a long day | 05:27 |
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| Luria | anyone else not so enthralled about the 810? | 06:01 |
| Luria | other than making 800s really cheap? | 06:01 |
| l7 | i have mixed feelings about the 810 | 06:02 |
| Luria | and that there should be more than one more firmware release for the 800 | 06:02 |
| Luria | what do you like about it? | 06:02 |
| l7 | more than one firmware? | 06:02 |
| Luria | a while ago someone guaranteed at least two releases for the n800 | 06:03 |
| l7 | well i won't really know if i want the 810 until i can hold in my hands | 06:03 |
| Luria | chinook + one more | 06:03 |
| l7 | would the other one maintain compatibility with older apps? | 06:03 |
| Luria | yeah | 06:03 |
| l7 | i want a travelling companion, and the n810 seems like a good choice | 06:04 |
| Luria | chinook is supposedly switching to real package managment | 06:04 |
| l7 | but i'm not sure if the GPS will be up to snuff | 06:04 |
| Luria | no more reflashing and losing everything | 06:04 |
| l7 | if the GPS is medicore, i would just buy the n800 and a seperate GPS, but that would be more junk to carry around | 06:04 |
| Luria | i do that | 06:04 |
| l7 | which GPS do you have? | 06:05 |
| Luria | do you know what the chipset is? | 06:05 |
| _Monkey | somebody said the chipset was better than SiRF III | 06:05 |
| Luria | i blue 757 pro | 06:05 |
| l7 | i don't suppose there's any way to link it to the n800 via bluetooth? | 06:05 |
| Luria | i do it all the time | 06:05 |
| l7 | oh nice | 06:05 |
| Luria | its a bluetooth solar receiver | 06:06 |
| Luria | and logger | 06:06 |
| l7 | wow | 06:06 |
| Luria | also supports 5hz sampling | 06:06 |
| l7 | the price is pretty low too | 06:07 |
| ol_schoola | which chipset does the iBlue have? | 06:07 |
| Luria | startup aquisition is low, but once it locks, accuracy is fantastic | 06:07 |
| l7 | what sort of GPS software do you run on your n800? | 06:07 |
| Luria | and i live in one of the worst cities for gps | 06:07 |
| l7 | hmm | 06:07 |
| l7 | do you drive or walk with it? | 06:07 |
| lord_moonraker | iblue 737 has mtk3138 | 06:07 |
| Luria | both | 06:08 |
| lord_moonraker | i got a holux m1000 with th mtk chipset | 06:08 |
| l7 | how do you walk around with it? | 06:08 |
| ol_schoola | really. how does that compare to Sirf3 | 06:08 |
| ol_schoola | ? | 06:08 |
| l7 | doesn't the iblue need LOS to the sky? | 06:08 |
| lord_moonraker | well mtk chipset version is cheaper | 06:08 |
| Luria | equal/slightly better in sensitivity | 06:08 |
| Luria | i keep it in a bag | 06:08 |
| Luria | http://www.semsons.com/i757prosobtd.html | 06:09 |
| Luria | like a knapsack | 06:09 |
| l7 | hmm, i guess it depends on how good the n810's GPS software is | 06:09 |
| l7 | i don't like having to pay extra for the premium GPS features though | 06:09 |
| Luria | i use an n800+BT keyboard+iblue | 06:10 |
| l7 | or the miniSD slot | 06:10 |
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| l7 | yeah, i might want to try that setup | 06:10 |
| Luria | in fact, im on maemo xchat right now in a cafe | 06:10 |
| l7 | do you travel with it much? | 06:10 |
| Luria | some. | 06:10 |
| Luria | im looking forward to the new mapping though | 06:10 |
| l7 | it seems like a lot to travel with though, since i want to travel as light as possible | 06:10 |
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| Luria | maybe, but i really rely on the kybd for rdesktop | 06:11 |
| Luria | and i suspect the slide out wont cut it | 06:11 |
| l7 | yeah i have been wondering about that too | 06:11 |
| Luria | a few months back, i took my laptop and my n800 and kybd to miami from nyc | 06:12 |
| l7 | the slide out might be adequate for casual web browsing or looking up directions | 06:12 |
| l7 | but it seems too small for serious chat or email | 06:12 |
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| Luria | the on screen keyboard is fine for that | 06:12 |
| Luria | email/texting and microblogging i expect will be better | 06:12 |
| l7 | huh? | 06:13 |
| Luria | i like the slimmer case | 06:13 |
| Luria | email with the large screen kybd blows | 06:13 |
| l7 | hmm yeah | 06:13 |
| Luria | and the small onscreen is useless | 06:13 |
| Luria | same for im | 06:13 |
| l7 | can you run google maps on your n800? | 06:14 |
| Luria | maemo mapper | 06:14 |
| _Monkey | maemo mapper is, like, geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ | 06:14 |
| l7 | i tried it in the store and it seemed insanely slow | 06:14 |
| l7 | but maybe the store just had crappy wifi | 06:14 |
| astro76 | it works well with the microb browser | 06:14 |
| astro76 | mozilla based | 06:14 |
| Luria | yeah | 06:14 |
| astro76 | even the street view | 06:14 |
| Luria | forgot about opera :-)p | 06:14 |
| astro76 | maemo mapper is still easier though | 06:14 |
| l7 | hrm | 06:15 |
| Luria | i wonder if maemo mapper will be still be useful with the new maps | 06:15 |
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| l7 | it's too bad the slide out keyboard also hides all the buttons | 06:15 |
| astro76 | well, I doubt the new maps will access google or microsoft data | 06:15 |
| Luria | i mean, whether there will be much of a point with the new firmware | 06:15 |
| l7 | otherwise the n810 would be a better ipod replacement | 06:15 |
| Luria | yeah, wtf | 06:15 |
| _Monkey | yeah, are there english - chinese dicts anywhere? or can whitestork now use edict files. | 06:15 |
| Luria | also, no camera | 06:16 |
| l7 | kickstand placement doesn't seem to work well with the slide out on the n810 either | 06:16 |
| Luria | as in, using the n810 as a camera | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course it will, does the new OS2008 Maps app have satellite view? No. | 06:16 |
| Luria | satelitte view is of limited utility on an IT | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bullshit | 06:17 |
| astro76 | I'd imagine the new Maps app will mostly be useful for paying for the service | 06:17 |
| l7 | hrm do any maemo maps have satelitte view? | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ever been canoeing or boating with maemo mapper? | 06:17 |
| astro76 | l7, google and virtual earth | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | At night? | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beautiful for finding shoals and underwater hazards | 06:17 |
| Luria | maemo mapper can be set up with a bunch of map repos | 06:17 |
| l7 | astro76: does virtual earth have street level view? | 06:17 |
| Luria | VE, Google, Openmap | 06:17 |
| astro76 | l7, I believe that is activeX | 06:18 |
| l7 | i have to say the iphone's google map widget is impressive | 06:18 |
| l7 | even if it lacks hybrid | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper is better | 06:18 |
| Luria | only thing about ve that i like is the fact that it has israel, which google seems to have erased. | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS | 06:18 |
| Luria | no streets, but at least major highways | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 with GPS and google satellite is the perfect hiking companion | 06:20 |
| l7 | GeneralAntilles: how so? | 06:20 |
| l7 | i like to go hiking whenever possible | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | You get aerial photography of your current location. Along with a track of where you've been. | 06:21 |
| l7 | ah gps logging | 06:22 |
| penguinbait | I prefer my garmin handheld, but perhaps the 810 | 06:22 |
| l7 | well i guess with the garmin, you only need to bring one gadget on your hiking trip | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Garmin ain't got no aerial photography. ;) | 06:23 |
| l7 | hmm | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bluetooth GPS is nothing | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just stuff it in a pocket and forget about it. | 06:23 |
| l7 | don't some GPS units have a hiking mode? | 06:23 |
| astro76 | l7, some are smaller than a cigarette lighter like the m1200 http://www.semsons.com/homblgpsrewi.html | 06:23 |
| astro76 | they're all tiny | 06:23 |
| Luria | garmins are ipx7 which is handy | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.semsons.com/i757prosobtd.html | 06:24 |
| l7 | astro76: ah neat | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the one you want for outdoors | 06:24 |
| penguinbait | they definetly handle abuse much better | 06:24 |
| l7 | how do you manage charging for all the various gadgets? | 06:24 |
| l7 | a one size fits all charger would be ideal | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | iGo with a bunch of tips | 06:25 |
| penguinbait | solar backpack | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bought an OtterBox for my N800 | 06:25 |
| Luria | or rollout panel | 06:25 |
| penguinbait | http://www.voltaicsystems.com/bag_backpack.shtml | 06:26 |
| l7 | hmm i guess the slide out keyboard is the only real advantage of the n810 then | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | $250. >_> | 06:26 |
| l7 | if you can get a small gps reciever under $100 | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | transflective screen | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | which is nice for outdoors | 06:27 |
| ds3 | GaneralAntilles: have you tested out the box with the 800 in there? (run it over, submerge it, etc)? | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Run it over . . . | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 06:27 |
| l7 | plus i'm not too enthused about the idea of picking up a n810 before all the third party apps have caught up | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | submerging was fine. | 06:27 |
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| |R | http://www.powerenz.com/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=28 | 06:27 |
| l7 | is the a good gameboy / GBA emulator for the n800? | 06:27 |
| |R | if you want a full energy kit :) | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | $550 | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You folks have way too much cash on hand. | 06:28 |
| |R | yeah but i'm guessing you can pick and match for a lot less | 06:28 |
| penguinbait | last I tried it crawled, GBA EMU that is | 06:28 |
| |R | haha :) | 06:28 |
| penguinbait | GBA is like 50$ get a SD cart for another 50 | 06:28 |
| |R | just the battery would be a better idea than a solar anything for a start.. | 06:29 |
| penguinbait | used anyway | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, it's the 3600 PDA case, which isn't really run-overable | 06:29 |
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| l7 | penguinbait: it's more about gadget reduction :) | 06:29 |
| |R | there is no real solar back pack that seems to be worth it as of now | 06:29 |
| l7 | i guess a gameboy emulator might be enough | 06:29 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: oh.. thought all those cases are rated for running over with a truck | 06:29 |
| |R | they all look like crappy chinese gadgets | 06:29 |
| penguinbait | I hear ya, but they are so cheap and small, and work so well | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably you could, but as the touchscreen isn't behind hard plastic . . . I'm not interested in trying. | 06:30 |
| penguinbait | my kids all have DS with SD carts | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | My N800 is never going to be in a situation where it's going to be at risk of being run over | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | so I'm not worried about it. | 06:30 |
| |R | Anyone field tested OLSRd (Mesh Network) with the n800 or others? | 06:31 |
| ds3 | |R: cheaper version - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SC1000&cat=CON + the right nokia cable all for sub $20 | 06:31 |
| |R | ds3 : hehe ;) | 06:31 |
| |R | ds3 : but i don't plan on only running the n800, i want a complete output setup :) | 06:32 |
| ds3 | |R: I got it but it has been getting too foggy to try it out with the 770 I have | 06:32 |
| ds3 | |R: that has multiple tips | 06:32 |
| |R | Trying to be completely off-grid, communication wise.. :) | 06:32 |
| |R | (a dream project for some reason, i really want the mesh architecture to be the one we use daily ;) | 06:32 |
| ds3 | |R: what else are you wanting to run on it? Been thinking of doing that | 06:32 |
| |R | http://guerillartivism.net/node/24 | 06:33 |
| |R | i've been gathering crazy ideas on this page | 06:33 |
| |R | I'd like to have all mesh device send sensors data on a social p2p network of friends (over secure protocols like I2P) etc.. | 06:33 |
| ds3 | ah, much more ambitious | 06:34 |
| |R | (yeah, i said it's a crazy dream now, but i've seen so many parts of this puzzle pop up this year that i'm thinking we're not far off ;) | 06:34 |
| ds3 | I was just thinking of a micro datacenter running in the middle of nowhere and being able to be setup in minutes | 06:34 |
| |R | I don't plan on reinventing the wheel, so i've been looking around for software and hardware that could be plugged together | 06:34 |
| l7 | ds3: wow that charger looks like a nice deal for $14 | 06:34 |
| |R | ds3 : that would rock :) | 06:34 |
| l7 | if you could mount it on a backpack, even better... | 06:34 |
| |R | let's do that at burning man and crack rc5 haha ;) | 06:34 |
| ds3 | l7: so far there has been one drawback... the 5V output is really about 6V unloaded | 06:35 |
| ds3 | |R: heh... I donno about during burning man but I was thinking of the blackrock desert at some other time | 06:35 |
| l7 | ds3: hmm, could that damage your hardware? | 06:35 |
| |R | or defcon, another desert haha | 06:35 |
| ds3 | l7: donno, I built a voltage dropping cable | 06:36 |
| |R | i acutally read snowcrash by stephenson and cyborg by Steve Mann a bit too seriously ;) | 06:36 |
| ds3 | I need to get the public access side of my blogs/rants done...been doing a write up on that | 06:36 |
| ds3 | on that sort of stuff at least but right now it is intranet only | 06:36 |
| |R | I'd be interested to follow :) | 06:37 |
| |R | if you do have a blog let me know, i'll add your rss feed to our site | 06:37 |
| ds3 | |R: it is not public yet, got to secure the webserver first | 06:37 |
| |R | k | 06:37 |
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| ds3 | found other useful stuff... like the a place clearancing out the 4 cell version of the energizer energi-to-go stuff | 06:38 |
| |R | http://www.totalworlddomination.org/guerilla-bp.png | 06:38 |
| |R | a bit too much of smart mob reading too ;) | 06:38 |
| ds3 | too bad it came with an ipod tip, not a simple 5V source | 06:38 |
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| ds3 | but for $6.99, I get the charger + tip + 4 Li AA batteries... I think that is a good deal (4 AA's normally go for $9.99) | 06:38 |
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| |R | yep :) | 06:39 |
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| ds3 | just need to confirm the iGo tips will work with it and let me go down to 5V (iPod apparently wants 7V ish) | 06:39 |
| ds3 | 4 cells in a series -> 6V so it would need to be a buck/boost setup | 06:40 |
| |R | does this battery charger really fully charges battery in < 6h ? | 06:40 |
| |R | (from 10 to 16h ?) | 06:41 |
| l7 | re | 06:41 |
| l7 | ah snowcrash | 06:41 |
| |R | hehe | 06:41 |
| ds3 | 'this' what is this charger you are talking about? | 06:42 |
| |R | snowcrash + smartmob + cyborg + Code and other law of cyberspace + wealth of networks = Crazy revolutionary anarchist ideas ;) | 06:42 |
| l7 | that reminds me i've been meaning to start on cryptonomicon | 06:42 |
| |R | ds3 : the one you posted above | 06:42 |
| l7 | heh yeah | 06:42 |
| ds3 | oh that | 06:42 |
| l7 | i need to finish wealth of networks too | 06:43 |
| ds3 | donno, claims 300mA max output so 6hour charge is iffy for decent sized batteries | 06:43 |
| |R | l7 : a bit long but very interesting (even though i won't remember a thing haha ;) | 06:43 |
| l7 | |R: i just remember the language reminC[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cded me of school readings :) | 06:44 |
| |R | eheh very academic indeed ;) | 06:44 |
| |R | SmartMob really got me into all this... | 06:45 |
| |R | i was thinking of portable mesh device with video/sound/gps/temperature/name it sensors... with social-secure-p2p nets where you approve to who/where you data goes... all this through I2P so it's untracable but also to interface with a backend datacenter so you can map the whole crowd in different way | 06:46 |
| |R | let's say map for sound, and you see where the noise is... in a manifestation this could be fun to react more rapidly than the police ;) | 06:46 |
| |R | It sounds a bit military ... but i don't think we're far off, all the geo location is done, meta-tagging of sensors has some frameworks floating around, mesh is working from what i can see... | 06:47 |
| |R | I2P too, etc... We only need a nice social net overlay with groups (datacenter/analysis/visualisation) support :) | 06:47 |
| |R | But then again, i'm dreaming completely and nobody we'll run all this unless it's completely seemless/integrated/deployed... | 06:48 |
| |R | Let's kill the carrier first ;) | 06:48 |
| l7 | somes like some crazy ghost in the shell type hardware | 06:49 |
| l7 | sounds | 06:49 |
| |R | hehe maybe.. | 06:49 |
| |R | but it's alive and real (almost, just need a bit more integration ;) | 06:49 |
| l7 | i'l be happy if i can just figure out whether to buy the n810 or n800... :\ | 06:49 |
| |R | hehe how come? | 06:49 |
| l7 | well i don't know which one to get really | 06:49 |
| |R | because if the miniSD i think the n810 is a bit of a turnoff with only 1 card :| | 06:50 |
| |R | and the camera is fixed... | 06:50 |
| l7 | i guess the n800 is a better deal now with a gps reciever and external keyboard | 06:50 |
| |R | (but yes you don't have to carry a lighter sized GPS ...) | 06:50 |
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| |R | the on screen thumb keyboard isn't so bad either | 06:50 |
| |R | for quick typing i really don't care about hardware slide out kbd and for long typing i want a real kbd (but that's just me ;) | 06:51 |
| * |R is waiting for 32GB SDHC cards in 2 months ... | 06:51 | |
| l7 | hmm, yeah | 06:51 |
| l7 | not having buttons on the outside of the unit seems bad too | 06:51 |
| |R | yeah, form factor is nicer though but oh well.. | 06:51 |
| l7 | the kickstand + slideout feature needs some redesign i think | 06:51 |
| |R | never tried an n810 though.. | 06:52 |
| |R | so maybe i'm all biased ;) | 06:52 |
| l7 | heh yeah | 06:52 |
| |R | a 2nd friend of mine just bougth an n800 + kbd + 8gb today | 06:52 |
| l7 | hmm i guess the n810 will come down in price soon anyway when they release the next IT | 06:53 |
| |R | wait for release to decide, but i doubt it'll be below 400 for a while | 06:53 |
| l7 | nice, how much did he pay for all of it? | 06:53 |
| l7 | nokia is releasing the wimax n800 next year i heard | 06:53 |
| |R | 378 canadian for card + n800... kbd will be 56+shipping more | 06:53 |
| |R | 378(all included, tx+ship) | 06:54 |
| l7 | only 56 for the keyboard? | 06:54 |
| |R | http://www.expansys.ca/p.aspx?i=150080 | 06:54 |
| l7 | which card and keyboard did he get? | 06:54 |
| |R | the dell one is the same as thinkOutside/iGo but less expensive ;0 | 06:54 |
| l7 | ah nice | 06:55 |
| l7 | just rebranded? | 06:55 |
| |R | i m not sure what he got in the end... either ocz in stock but more expensive or patriot out of stock but less expensive hehe | 06:55 |
| |R | yep | 06:55 |
| l7 | so the 8gb card was about $100? | 06:57 |
| l7 | i'm wondering if i should just pick the cheapest 8gb i can find | 06:57 |
| |R | less | 06:57 |
| |R | yeah | 06:57 |
| l7 | http://www.nextag.com/Kingston-Technology-8-GB-540629095/prices-html?nxtg=46d20a240532-42009520D9A0EAAB | 06:57 |
| |R | at 44 it's a steal! | 06:58 |
| l7 | $45 after $15 rebate for 8gb | 06:58 |
| |R | (but class 4, but i don't think we care ;) | 06:58 |
| l7 | oh, that's too slow? | 06:58 |
| |R | no, i don't think, not for the n800 | 06:58 |
| ol_schoola | no but your PC's card reader could take advantae of it | 06:59 |
| ol_schoola | but no, class 4 is fine for the 800 | 07:00 |
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| |R | you should be fine unless you change your mp3 collection every day :P | 07:00 |
| l7 | i wonder if the n800 would be faster with class 6 | 07:00 |
| l7 | but yeah i want to save money for other things like the gps reciever :) | 07:00 |
| TrueJournals | I need some help... | 07:01 |
| |R | there was a 62$ class 6 8GB card on ITT today i think | 07:01 |
| |R | but still, at 45, if you trust mail-in, it's worth it i'd say | 07:02 |
| TrueJournals | I installed resetwlan, which seems to have screwed up my sudoers file | 07:02 |
| |R | seriously? | 07:02 |
| l7 | $62 seems like a good deal too for class 56 | 07:02 |
| l7 | er class 6 | 07:02 |
| |R | TrueJournals : how ? | 07:03 |
| |R | you mean adding lines for mount rmmod insmod wlancond etc ? | 07:03 |
| TrueJournals | Now i can't sudo gainroot to get into root, it just asks for a password (I never set a password for user) | 07:03 |
| ol_schoola | transcend, 62 usd, Hitech Market via Amazon | 07:03 |
| |R | TrueJournals : let me try, i jsut installed it | 07:03 |
| Luria | 32gb is going to be a fortune | 07:04 |
| TrueJournals | Sorry i'm a bit slow... i'm typing from n770 | 07:04 |
| Luria | i remember the initial list for 16gb sd was 1600 or something nuts | 07:04 |
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| |R | TrueJournals : still works here | 07:04 |
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| ol_schoola | does anyone know if the 800's external sd slot is SDIO capable | 07:04 |
| |R | sudo su - | 07:05 |
| TrueJournals | i have no luck with that either | 07:05 |
| Luria | i dunno about sdio, but most sdio cards are long and wouldnt fit | 07:05 |
| |R | n800 though here | 07:05 |
| Luria | i guess thats why i never looked into it | 07:05 |
| |R | TrueJournals : but ssh works? | 07:05 |
| TrueJournals | well.. that's the problem | 07:06 |
| |R | Luria : now 16GB go for 145 :) | 07:06 |
| ol_schoola | if it was long, i wouldn't care. trying to find a way to pump an ntsc video signal >into< this thing | 07:06 |
| Luria | still too pricey :-) | 07:06 |
| TrueJournals | i don't have a ssh server installed | 07:06 |
| ol_schoola | USB host mode is still no go, right? | 07:06 |
| |R | TrueJournals : uh oh | 07:07 |
| l7 | does the n800 also have bluetooth headphone support? | 07:07 |
| |R | TrueJournals : rebooting didn't fix it? | 07:07 |
| l7 | just saw http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=92421#post92421 | 07:07 |
| |R | l7 : it should in OS2008 from what i can gather | 07:07 |
| ol_schoola | l7, yes, native to Kagu | 07:07 |
| TrueJournals | and i can't install one because app manager won't start because of messed up sudoers | 07:07 |
| |R | oh wait | 07:07 |
| |R | you mean HSP or A2DP ? | 07:07 |
| TrueJournals | no, rebooting didn't fix | 07:07 |
| l7 | ah cool | 07:07 |
| l7 | well another point in the n800's favor | 07:08 |
| |R | they'll run the same OS | 07:08 |
| * timeless frowns | 07:08 | |
| astro76 | yeah I just got a transcend 8gb, newegg has it for ~62 shipped | 07:08 |
| astro76 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208293 | 07:08 |
| TrueJournals | am i just screwed and i'll have to reflash? | 07:08 |
| ol_schoola | astro76: mine is in transit | 07:09 |
| ol_schoola | and the GPS, and the su31 | 07:09 |
| |R | TrueJournals : urhm urhm... | 07:09 |
| astro76 | l7, have you considered $230 versus $500 ? ;) | 07:09 |
| |R | TrueJournals : can't you install ssh through the application manager? | 07:09 |
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| |R | astro76 hehe | 07:09 |
| TrueJournals | nope.... | 07:09 |
| |R | why not ? it dies with an error ? | 07:10 |
| TrueJournals | sudoers messed up prevents app manager from starting | 07:10 |
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| |R | argh | 07:10 |
| l7 | astro76: yeah $300 buys a lot of extra stuff | 07:10 |
| TrueJournals | it shows loading for a bit... then... nothing | 07:10 |
| |R | any ideas for an exploit? :P | 07:10 |
| l7 | 8gb card, bluetooth keyboard... gps... | 07:10 |
| |R | sudo vim ? | 07:10 |
| astro76 | l7, another 8gb card ;) | 07:11 |
| |R | sudo anything that could give you access to root read/write ? | 07:11 |
| l7 | some of kind of universal charger | 07:11 |
| l7 | astro76: heh | 07:11 |
| l7 | maybe i should just get a 16gb | 07:11 |
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| TrueJournals | vim and nano don't work | 07:12 |
| Luria | no vim? | 07:12 |
| |R | neither just vi ? | 07:12 |
| Luria | thats the end of the world | 07:12 |
| |R | haha agreed | 07:12 |
| Luria | perhaps a cursed ncurses | 07:12 |
| TrueJournals | afaik... the only things that work are what resetwlan added | 07:12 |
| |R | which would be... ? | 07:12 |
| |R | insmod etc ? | 07:13 |
| TrueJournals | vi doesn't work | 07:13 |
| Luria | do any full screen cli apps work? | 07:13 |
| TrueJournals | like ...? | 07:13 |
| |R | did you have a sudoers line for anything ? | 07:14 |
| |R | user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL | 07:14 |
| TrueJournals | well, resetwlan changes permissions on sudoers, so i can't check contents | 07:15 |
| |R | oh uh | 07:16 |
| |R | actually you shouldnt be able to check damn | 07:16 |
| |R | r--r----- | 07:16 |
| TrueJournals | hmmm... resetwlan adds a line for its executable... maybe i can hijack that | 07:16 |
| TrueJournals | brb | 07:16 |
| |R | sudo chmod ? | 07:16 |
| Luria | i used to use ssh localhost when i was too lazy to edit sudoers after a flash | 07:17 |
| |R | check with filemanager | 07:17 |
| |R | i don't know if it has root privs | 07:17 |
| |R | if you ln -s / ~/MyDocs/root | 07:17 |
| |R | maybe you can screw things up (i doubt it though) | 07:17 |
| TrueJournals | ah,reading that file wrong.... | 07:18 |
| TrueJournals | tried sudo chmod | 07:18 |
| |R | k :/ | 07:18 |
| |R | if you have access to any boot scripts | 07:18 |
| |R | or anything that get's executed by root ... (trying to think of something which shouldnt be there... :P) | 07:19 |
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| TrueJournals | well... i gotta go | 07:23 |
| TrueJournals | thanks for the help | 07:24 |
| TrueJournals | guess i'll just reflash tomorrow | 07:24 |
| TrueJournals | thanks again | 07:24 |
| |R | http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPhone-8GB-AT-T-MYSTERY-AUCTION_W0QQitemZ130171909089QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64355QQcmdZViewItem | 07:24 |
| |R | that is seriously weird | 07:24 |
| |R | TrueJournals : good luck :) | 07:24 |
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| rubiks | hello | 07:44 |
| _Monkey | hello, rubiks | 07:44 |
| rubiks | hi | 07:44 |
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| Luria | is that mauku party over? | 07:45 |
| Luria | was hoping to score an invite. | 07:46 |
| rubiks | ? | 07:46 |
| Luria | see itt | 07:47 |
| timeless | mauku? | 07:47 |
| Luria | its a finnish micro blog app | 07:47 |
| Luria | yeah | 07:47 |
| Luria | sigh. i wish i could right click in rdesktop | 07:48 |
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| Luria | i still dont get the n810, but whatever | 07:50 |
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| unique311__ | luria need an invite? | 07:53 |
| Luria | yeah please | 07:53 |
| unique311__ | jaiku to me seems like irc....but slow in response time.... | 07:55 |
| Luria | i know, but i curious | 07:56 |
| Luria | thanks so much | 07:56 |
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| unique311__ | am i reading this right.... Free calls within the US and Canada to all phones until the end of the year. Get calling. | 08:18 |
| unique311__ | reading this on my skype account settings | 08:18 |
| unique311__ | first line... | 08:18 |
| unique311__ | do they mean the end of 07 | 08:18 |
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| unique311__ | anyone else seeing this message in account settings | 08:19 |
| |R | the new theme on ITT is uhm, "special" | 08:25 |
| |R | haha jaiku seems like yahoo chat 1993 style all over again.... | 08:26 |
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| czr | hmm. did yahoo even exist in 93? | 08:33 |
| czr | " started their guide in a campus trailer in February 1994" | 08:34 |
| czr | nope :-) | 08:34 |
| timeless | sp3000: Bug 2242 has been added to the database | 08:38 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2242 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2242 | 08:38 |
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| |R | czr : ok 1995 then ;) | 08:45 |
| |R | ( i was young ;) | 08:45 |
| |R | i was browsing before we got mouses to do so to early i guess hehe :P | 08:45 |
| |R | too | 08:45 |
| * czr is still young | 08:46 | |
| czr | self-deception is the bestest! | 08:46 |
| |R | if you is < 30... yeah me too ;) | 08:46 |
| |R | you = young | 08:46 |
| |R | haha ;) | 08:46 |
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| |R | anyone has a "ROM" repository for scummVM? | 08:49 |
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| lopz | bye | 08:55 |
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| timeless | WTF | 09:17 |
| unique311__ | not sure | 09:18 |
| |R | ? :) | 09:18 |
| unique311__ | whats wrong timeless? | 09:19 |
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| * fysabye test | 09:34 | |
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| timeless | ok, i'm looking for final reviewers | 10:11 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/9/index.txt | 10:11 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/9/index.html | 10:11 |
| timeless | the announcement's going up in less than an hour :) | 10:11 |
| timeless | i'm about to move around the blocks | 10:11 |
| timeless | but i need people to look for obvious problems | 10:12 |
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| X-Fade_ | timeless: You like long documents, eh? :) | 10:15 |
| timeless | no | 10:15 |
| X-Fade_ | What do you need reviewed? | 10:16 |
| timeless | everything | 10:17 |
| _Monkey | everything is executable too | 10:17 |
| timeless | _monkey forget everything | 10:17 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot everything | 10:17 |
| timeless | _monkey everything is <reply> | 10:17 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 10:17 |
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| timeless | look for bad English, unclear thoughts, random html errors (they'd generally be bad a href's, or bold/italic in strange places) | 10:17 |
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| timeless | i'm reordering the lines into sections now | 10:18 |
| * czr likes "Removed unused code (note to self: try to figure out what this means)" | 10:18 | |
| timeless | i think i'll drop that now :) | 10:19 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Maybe move more developper related info to a different part or file? | 10:19 |
| X-Fade_ | Or isn't this intended for end-users? | 10:19 |
| tigert | timeless: bad english, in your text? unpossible!! :) | 10:19 |
| timeless | i'm working on regrouping things | 10:20 |
| timeless | packaging will go long after user interface | 10:20 |
| timeless | tigert: i've been up for 3 days fighting this | 10:20 |
| dolske | timeless: I assume you've done spell checking, and are just looking for any egregious violations of english grammar? | 10:21 |
| timeless | dolske: don't assume that | 10:21 |
| timeless | i'm using the typoing keyboard | 10:21 |
| timeless | and i've had many sleepless nights trying to get this right | 10:22 |
| czr | timeless, looks pretty decent to me. much better than most other maemo-related stuff | 10:22 |
| timeless | czr: you're the wrong audience right now | 10:22 |
| czr | infact, I think it's the most detailed page on anything relating to IT/maemo. | 10:22 |
| timeless | i'm looking for critics | 10:22 |
| X-Fade_ | timeless: Did https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1671 get fixed? | 10:22 |
| timeless | illl take praise in an hour | 10:22 |
| czr | which hat should I be wearing? | 10:22 |
| dolske | timeless: so, then, I suggest running though a spellchecker just in case. :) | 10:23 |
| czr | timeless, what is the intended audience for the page then? | 10:23 |
| timeless | dolske: sorry, i'm working on reorgs, can you just tell me what i've typoed? | 10:23 |
| timeless | czr: people who will read the release announcement | 10:23 |
| timeless | which is obviously happening at the hour | 10:23 |
| timeless | 35mins | 10:23 |
| czr | ah. definitely should split all the details to some other page | 10:23 |
| timeless | no time for that | 10:24 |
| timeless | i'll group them | 10:24 |
| timeless | i /might/ drop all the editor's notes | 10:24 |
| timeless | haven't decided | 10:24 |
| czr | you probably should | 10:24 |
| timeless | i might version it so the orignal .txt has them but the published one doesn't | 10:24 |
| * czr nods | 10:24 | |
| czr | hmm. will microb be installable easily into the x86-sdk part? | 10:25 |
| czr | (useable) | 10:25 |
| timeless | presumably, but i don't know / care | 10:26 |
| czr | right. | 10:26 |
| timeless | ok | 10:27 |
| timeless | i want a section header for Web2/Google | 10:27 |
| dolske | timeless: "exensions" (extensions) | 10:27 |
| timeless | should i just call it Google WEb Applications | 10:27 |
| czr | " Unfortunately the localizers are not familiar with localizing XML text and consistent... ". you might want to reconsider assigning blame on others :-) | 10:27 |
| czr | don't know what the policy in your case is for public documents though. | 10:27 |
| timeless | dolske: . | 10:27 |
| timeless | czr: remind me in 20mins | 10:28 |
| czr | I'll try to remember | 10:28 |
| timeless | or come up w/ a better way to write tha blovb | 10:28 |
| * czr doesn't care | 10:28 | |
| czr | :-) | 10:28 |
| timeless | since i won't have time to do much more than drop it | 10:28 |
| timeless | i tried to claim official blame while explaining it's not our faul | 10:28 |
| timeless | that was my goal as i wrote it | 10:29 |
| * czr nods | 10:29 | |
| czr | being honest doesn't hurt. however, I don't know how well that fits the official policy. | 10:29 |
| timeless | ok, i need a google section header i think | 10:29 |
| dolske | timeless: "texarea" (textarea) | 10:29 |
| timeless | dolske: . | 10:29 |
| timeless | this keyboard reeally sucks | 10:29 |
| timeless | how about: | 10:30 |
| timeless | -Google Style Applications-? | 10:30 |
| timeless | to cover things that some people would call "AJAX" | 10:30 |
| dolske | Those were the only two spelling mistakes the OS X spellchecker found (other than it being stupid about "nokia", "microb", "maemo", etc :) | 10:30 |
| timeless | but which aren't (designMode, mouseevents,...) | 10:30 |
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| czr | google style applications to me means some apps made by google that have to do with style (what, I do not know) | 10:31 |
| timeless | yeah, i'm reaching, help help :) | 10:31 |
| czr | Google-like Web applications? | 10:32 |
| czr | or smt like that. | 10:32 |
| czr | although using google in that context isn't really productive. hmm. | 10:32 |
| timeless | stephend would give you points for proper use of hyphen | 10:32 |
| timeless | that's one thing i didn't use properly (i believe i corrected the two instances stephend found) | 10:32 |
| czr | a lot of the list entries are missing the dot at the end of sentences | 10:33 |
| czr | although, a lot of the entries are not proper sentences anyway :-) | 10:33 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:34 |
| czr | but I don't think that's the main issue (shouldn't probably bother about it) | 10:34 |
| timeless | yeah, that's a problem it's way too late to fix | 10:34 |
| czr | timeless, sed Maemo/maemo | 10:34 |
| czr | sed debian/Debian | 10:34 |
| timeless | .. . | 10:35 |
| timeless | thanks | 10:35 |
| czr | check for mozilla in lowercase too. | 10:35 |
| czr | "great pain if you try to run your own mozilla on the platform.) " | 10:35 |
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| timeless | where's that? | 10:36 |
| czr | (that's the only instance) | 10:36 |
| timeless | darn, that's at the beginning of a line | 10:36 |
| timeless | . | 10:36 |
| czr | packaging and building, last entry | 10:36 |
| timeless | yeah got it | 10:36 |
| czr | ah, that's inside an editor note | 10:36 |
| timeless | problem is, you're working from html | 10:36 |
| timeless | i'm working from text | 10:36 |
| * czr nods | 10:36 | |
| timeless | i tried case search for " mozilla" | 10:36 |
| timeless | which failed | 10:37 |
| * timeless switched from VI to notepad | 10:37 | |
| czr | I exactly what you mean btw :-) | 10:37 |
| czr | I have the same issue many times when fixing typos based on other peoples' input. | 10:37 |
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| timeless | * !! Fixed restore plug-ins state if the browser crashes at low memory. !! | 10:37 |
| timeless | (Editor's note: There's no bug reference in the changelog, | 10:37 |
| timeless | I can't determine what this means) | 10:37 |
| * timeless needs to do something about that one | 10:38 | |
| czr | omit it if you can't come up with anything sane | 10:38 |
| czr | you can add it later | 10:38 |
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| * czr likes the picture :-) | 10:39 | |
| timeless | thanks :) | 10:39 |
| * timeless can't find the string in the changelogs... | 10:40 | |
| czr | you have some lines which don't start capitalized | 10:40 |
| czr | might want to check them through (not the ones that start with component names, but proper english ones) | 10:40 |
| czr | "added libnspr package" | 10:41 |
| czr | "tapping an input field " | 10:41 |
| timeless | i need to figure out if it's VKB or vkb (similarly for the others) | 10:41 |
| czr | I use capitalized VKB | 10:42 |
| czr | "^link navigation should be " (inside a href) | 10:42 |
| timeless | oh, minor concern | 10:42 |
| czr | that's it for the capital thingies | 10:42 |
| timeless | which is why i didn't fix vkb | 10:42 |
| * czr nods | 10:42 | |
| timeless | those links are based on bug titles | 10:42 |
| czr | ah | 10:42 |
| timeless | do we care? | 10:42 |
| czr | I don't. I told you already :-) | 10:43 |
| timeless | i'm fine w/ uppercase | 10:43 |
| czr | well, I use capital letters, since it's an acronym anyway | 10:43 |
| timeless | done | 10:44 |
| czr | timeless, I need to continue doing real work(tm), good luck :-) | 10:44 |
| czr | and congrats on the soon-release :-) | 10:44 |
| czr | btw. you might want to replace the links to the bugs so that they're something like this (Bug: <href goes here>). | 10:45 |
| czr | now it's not always clear whether a link points to a bug-report or somewhere else. | 10:45 |
| timeless | hrm | 10:46 |
| czr | but that's up to you of course. imho increases readability a lot. | 10:46 |
| timeless | i think my style was bug links were always at the very end of an item | 10:47 |
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| timeless | other links would always be a few words inside the item | 10:47 |
| timeless | not sure if tha's held for the 3 weeks i've worked on this | 10:47 |
| czr | hmm. that wasn't clear to me, but now that you mention it, yes :-) | 10:47 |
| timeless | cool. wontfix | 10:47 |
| czr | imho I still think it would be better ;-) | 10:48 |
| czr | WILL_COMPLAIN! | 10:48 |
| czr | but if you're under a deadline, I wouldn't bother. | 10:48 |
| timeless | 5mins | 10:49 |
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| rothiel | Hi :) | 11:04 |
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| dolske | Ooooh.... pretty.... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ | 11:04 |
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| L0cutus | buondi' | 11:06 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:10 |
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| timeless | ok, thanks all | 11:18 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/9/ | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | p.m.o down? | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:19 |
| X-Fade_ | Jaffa: There is some work done on the server.. | 11:20 |
| Jaffa | Tsk, I need my news fix :) | 11:20 |
| unit42 | maemo.org seems also having problems. Garage works. | 11:20 |
| X-Fade_ | unit42: maemo.org is same server. Garage is a different one. | 11:21 |
| unit42 | timeless: r0x0r | 11:21 |
| unit42 | ACK | 11:21 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:44 |
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| workingplayya | moin | 11:55 |
| workingplayya | isn't the -exec include in find for busybox? | 11:56 |
| workingplayya | ctime and atime is also missing | 11:56 |
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| rothiel | hi :) | 11:57 |
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| Gubbe | Why. Does. This. Not. Work! | 12:13 |
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| Gubbe | I've created a new ConIcConnection* and initialized it with con_ic_connection_new(). I've set its "automatic-connection-events" property to TRUE and used g_signal_connect to register a signal handler for its "connection-event". | 12:14 |
| Gubbe | The g_signal_connect returns a proper handle, but the function I've specified never gets called. | 12:15 |
| Gubbe | handler function, that is | 12:15 |
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| Gubbe | What have I forgotten to initialize? What do I need to unblock or define? | 12:17 |
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| onion | Gubbe: have you requested a connection ? | 12:33 |
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| Khertan | How can i launch an python script for the task navigator menu with root priveledge ? | 12:39 |
| Khertan | rothiel > bonjour :) | 12:40 |
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| workingplayya | what do you wanna do Khertan | 12:46 |
| Khertan | i ve a python script witch need to be root to use some bluetooth things | 12:47 |
| Khertan | and i want to be able to launch this script with a .desktop file | 12:47 |
| Khertan | does a run-standalone.sh give the right suid ? | 12:48 |
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| L0cutus | someone can put somewhere the 9Mb (if i remember correctly) video presentation that comes with n800 ? | 12:53 |
| L0cutus | i've lost it... | 12:53 |
| Khertan | sorry don't have it. But you can retrieve it by flashing an n800 | 12:53 |
| L0cutus | hum | 12:54 |
| Khertan | else : http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=443281 | 12:56 |
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| Gubbe | onion: Sorry, had a break there. Yeah, I've tried using con_ic_connection_connect((connection),CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_NONE); but it doesn't seem to help either. | 13:05 |
| Gubbe | Just to be clear, even if I hadn't requested a connection, wouldn't I still get those signals? I don't recall seeing clear documentation regarding the conditions required for getting those signals. | 13:07 |
| rothiel | Khertan > salut :) | 13:12 |
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| Gubbe | hm. Perhaps I should try to restate the question: What "binds" a particular ConIcConnection instance to the (dis)connect signals coming from the system? Simply constructing a ConIcConnection with con_ic_connection_new()? Connecting the signal to that instance? When does the "system" get told what objects it needs to notify when the connection status changes? | 13:35 |
| truls | anyone playing with the beta japanese input of maemocjk? trying to figure out why it never replaces the normal keyboard despite reboots | 13:36 |
| derf | I'm using a really old version of maemocjk. | 13:44 |
| derf | It replaces the keyboard just fine. | 13:44 |
| truls | hm, guess i'll just revert to that one | 13:52 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:52 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 13:52 |
| truls | was really hoping to play with tomoe for kanji handwriting recognition | 13:53 |
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| workingplayya | kanji handwriting is very hard | 13:55 |
| workingplayya | do you have to write every kanji with one line truls ? | 13:55 |
| truls | one line? | 13:57 |
| truls | i know how writing kanji works, if that's what you mean | 13:57 |
| truls | i suck at remembering kanji, but if i need to look one up, i usually get the stroke order right on my nintendo ds dictionary | 13:59 |
| truls | but i would love to get it working with gjiten or something | 14:00 |
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| rothiel | 'jour all | 14:02 |
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| workingplayya | truls: no. i meant writing on a pda or sth | 14:11 |
| workingplayya | there you have to write every letter with on line | 14:12 |
| workingplayya | it is so in romaji | 14:12 |
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| truls | workingplayya: eh? isnt that why you have multiple input fields? | 14:12 |
| workingplayya | never used it | 14:13 |
| truls | ack | 14:13 |
| workingplayya | kanji is to hard | 14:13 |
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| truls | writing kanji with a single stroke wouldn't make sense | 14:14 |
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| workingplayya | yes | 14:15 |
| workingplayya | but looks like a picture from the kindergarden | 14:15 |
| workingplayya | childhood | 14:15 |
| truls | ah, sorry, i thought you made sense | 14:16 |
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| alterego | timeless, looks like you could use your own planet maemo from the length of that blog post :P | 14:24 |
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| rothiel | Hi alterego & timeless | 14:25 |
| alterego | Hello rothiel | 14:26 |
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| ormen | hey | 15:08 |
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| Tak | hmm, is http://pastie.textmate.org/115869 too long for an example? | 15:27 |
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| Jaffa | Tak: not really - depends what it's demoing, and if there're any others | 16:00 |
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| greedo__ | i installed chinook beta sdk but it seems it lacks a lot of packages | 16:11 |
| greedo__ | is there another repository that should be used ? | 16:11 |
| greedo__ | (i asked yesterday but then forgot to read the answers :) sorry ) | 16:11 |
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| alterego | greedo__, you need to install the sdk meta package. | 16:13 |
| alterego | greedo__, did you use the installation script? | 16:14 |
| greedo__ | yes | 16:14 |
| greedo__ | seems to be installed | 16:14 |
| alterego | Well, do it again and make sure you've selected the install with development packages. | 16:14 |
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| Tak | it's a 'hello world' | 16:21 |
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| lardman | ooh, exciting, the N810 is making its way through the distribution channels :) | 16:27 |
| * lardman wonders when it will be available at Nokia online and when the dev discounts will be decided? | 16:28 | |
| shackan | is os2008 out yet? | 16:28 |
| dpb_ | no | 16:28 |
| lardman | no | 16:28 |
| shackan | :( | 16:28 |
| greedo__ | and is there another chinook release planned before the launch of the os ? | 16:31 |
| FMz | Speaking of n Series and distribution... my n800 is on the truck for delivery. Also: http://xkcd.com/340/ | 16:32 |
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| lardman | greedo__: I think there's been a final release of the SDK today | 16:32 |
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| lardman | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html | 16:33 |
| greedo__ | oh! | 16:34 |
| Tak | alterego: comments? | 16:35 |
| alterego | Tak, ? | 16:35 |
| _Monkey | Tak, are you going to make a console vkb?-) | 16:35 |
| Tak | http://pastie.textmate.org/115869 | 16:36 |
| alterego | Thanks | 16:36 |
| Tak | ? | 16:37 |
| lardman | _Monkey: forget Tak | 16:37 |
| _Monkey | lardman, I didn't have anything matching tak | 16:37 |
| lardman | _Monkey: forget Tak, | 16:37 |
| _Monkey | lardman: I forgot tak, | 16:37 |
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| Tak | good advice for us all. | 16:37 |
| lardman | Tak: nothing personal of course :) | 16:37 |
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| alterego | Looks good. | 16:37 |
| Tak | cool - I'll email a finalized version | 16:38 |
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| alterego | :) | 16:39 |
| greedo__ | hmm | 16:41 |
| greedo__ | launching installer script for the 4.0 chinook sdk: E: Dialog not found in default path. | 16:41 |
| greedo__ | ah found :) | 16:42 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. I should probably update then. | 16:43 |
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| alterego | sudo? | 17:07 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that sudo is supposed to do that. this is the difference in running as root and running from within a shell run as root :) | 17:07 |
| alterego | scratchbox doesn't have sudo. | 17:07 |
| alterego | Anyone fancy notifying the nokians about their installation instructions being broken? | 17:08 |
| greedo__ | thx lardman for pointing the release :) | 17:08 |
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| alterego | nvm, I'll post a mail on the mailing list. | 17:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now where's mah firmware image? :( | 17:10 |
| alterego | :) | 17:10 |
| alterego | I probably should have submitted a bug report, as it would have increased my karma ;) | 17:12 |
| sp3000 | add irc log line counts :P | 17:13 |
| alterego | I'm not too fussed about karma really. | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | (and | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | remember | 17:13 |
| alterego | As long as I feel I'm doing a good job. | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | to | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | use | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | linefeeds | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | ) | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | :) | 17:13 |
| alterego | My karma shot up last night. | 17:13 |
| alterego | I'm not on the 4th page | 17:14 |
| alterego | one below Karoliina :) | 17:14 |
| sp3000 | Your search - karma - did not match any documents. | 17:14 |
| lardman | mine appears to have remained static despite a bug report and mailing list posts | 17:14 |
| alterego | lardman, I think they get updated every night. | 17:15 |
| lardman | yeah, the bug report, etc. were a few days ago | 17:15 |
| alterego | So you wont see the results immediately. Also, I don't think mailing list counts yet. | 17:15 |
| lardman | oh I see, what does "discussion" count then? | 17:15 |
| alterego | I think that's comments in news/announce maybe? | 17:15 |
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| alterego | Or comments in the downloads section | 17:16 |
| lardman | no way, I've got 128 in that so I thought it might be emails | 17:16 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:16 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: what did you do last night? | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | s/last night/yesterday/ | 17:18 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: alterego: what did you do yesterday? | 17:18 |
| alterego | I released ruby-maemo 0.3.0 | 17:18 |
| alterego | And I've had more people download the project. | 17:18 |
| alterego | download/comment/rate | 17:18 |
| * Jaffa 's karma has gone up, but his position dropped down lower on the second page. | 17:18 | |
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| * lardman is not worrying about it too much as karma is an average of both the past & future, therefore nothing we can do about it ;) | 17:21 | |
| alterego | Hah | 17:21 |
| alterego | Appearantly ruby-maemo has 34 downloads. | 17:22 |
| alterego | I didn't realise there was _that_ much interest :) | 17:23 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: I'm not worried about it too much: page 2 is still quite high | 17:24 |
| lardman | You're a MUD guru aren't you Jaffa? | 17:25 |
| lardman | or am I getting confused | 17:25 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: I am teh MUD Meister | 17:26 |
| lardman | good good | 17:26 |
| lardman | does MUD work with a sandbox of sorts - does it actually install deps required to build a given package? | 17:26 |
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| lardman | I'm thinking of the comment on the list about having lots of things installed and therefore not being quite sure whether all the deps are listed in the .deb/recipe/etc | 17:27 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: indeed, that's a good point. It does install deps required to build a given package, but there should be some thought given on how to make that rollbackable. Graham's using MUD to do his GPE building, so his recipe should be reusable (hopefully) | 17:30 |
| lardman | ah, I was wondering if he was using that or OE | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | No, he's using MUD | 17:31 |
| lardman | it's probably not such a big thing - someone will notice it pretty quickly and complain/file a bug, then it can be fixed | 17:31 |
| Tak | uhh...https://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2007/fceu | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, with critical mass it's less important. But until that point it's quite handy. | 17:32 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I should update my MUD metadata, I've been cursing lately needing to rebuild lots of mathematical libs which I've done before (and forgotten how) | 17:33 |
| Tak | does the apt in SDK support 'autoremove' ? If so, rollback should be trivial | 17:33 |
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| alterego | Hah, flite is hilarious. | 17:34 |
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| Tak | hmm, what part of the profile is linked to downloads catalog? "Products" ? | 17:34 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:35 |
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| Jaffa | Tak: I don't think it does, because Marius(?) was talking about implementing his own-style of thing in libapt for the Application Manager | 17:37 |
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| lardman | anyone know how large a tex install is on maemo? | 17:38 |
| lardman | or should that be latex? | 17:38 |
| lardman | whatever it is that can turn tex strings into dvi then into pngs | 17:39 |
| Tak | ah, ok | 17:39 |
| lardman | greedo__: has your install finished? | 17:41 |
| greedo__ | yes | 17:43 |
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| lardman | do you know if latex is included? | 17:45 |
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| lardman | so many debian packages fail doing making documentation, it's a real pita | 17:45 |
| greedo__ | tetex-bin - The teTeX binary files | 17:45 |
| greedo__ | tetex-base - Basic library files of teTeX | 17:45 |
| greedo__ | tetex-extra - Additional library files of teTeX | 17:45 |
| greedo__ | says apt-cache search | 17:45 |
| alterego | Anyone know how I can make ruby-maemo show up for OS2008 and OS2007 in the downloads section? | 17:46 |
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| lardman | greedo__: thanks, there's hope at least, I'll have to install it and try | 17:46 |
| lardman | koen: hi, how are you? | 17:46 |
| greedo__ | also there's http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/3.2_vs_4.0_content_comparison.html | 17:47 |
| lardman | greedo__: thanks | 17:47 |
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| Tak | it already shows up for 2007 | 17:49 |
| Tak | unless we're talking about something different | 17:49 |
| alterego | I know, but it doesn't show up for OS2008 | 17:50 |
| alterego | Which is what I want. | 17:50 |
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| Jaffa | Oooh, exciting email from Nokia. | 18:22 |
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| Jaffa | Device programme emails seem to be going out :) | 18:22 |
| Tak | I guess they want to head off the flood of anticipatory wheel-spinning from the last time | 18:23 |
| keesj | that is really an amaizing strategy , have things done before they are planned | 18:23 |
| Tak | Walk before you crawl! Run before you walk! Fly before you... | 18:24 |
| keesj | that does not sound good. Fly does not rime with week-end or get stonned/drunk | 18:25 |
| keesj | I only have the week-end :( | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | Now all I need is a promotion and this'll be a good month :-) | 18:26 |
| * Tak promote Jaffa to MUD superguru | 18:27 | |
| Jaffa | I don't get a company car that way, tho' | 18:28 |
| zoran | Tak gonna give it to you, in digital form | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | Besides there's a good MUD *team* now :) | 18:29 |
| |R | nokia's n810 maemo device program are comming in! | 18:29 |
| ab | yep, got one :-) | 18:30 |
| * Jaffa now wants a device. | 18:30 | |
| disq | yes, they're coming in | 18:30 |
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| |R | same here :) | 18:31 |
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| Sho_ | got one too :) | 18:35 |
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| |R | Sho_ : it's 99E is that it ? | 18:41 |
| |R | i wish it was 99$ USD at this point (being from .ca haha ;) | 18:41 |
| sxpert-work | |R: haha | 18:41 |
| Sho_ | |R: I haven't gotten details yet ("We will send your discount and instructions as soon as the device is available in your selected shop (soon)."), but in the device program announcement it said 99€, yup | 18:41 |
| Tak | |R: no different being from .us in that respect | 18:41 |
| sxpert-work | yippie... been selected too ;-) | 18:42 |
| |R | :) | 18:42 |
| sxpert-work | thanks whoever :-) | 18:42 |
| * jott also cheers | 18:42 | |
| lardman | did anyone else's post have loads of pseudo html gobbledegook at the start? | 18:42 |
| Sho_ | not mine | 18:43 |
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| lardman | lol, it's a function trace | 18:44 |
| Tak | nope | 18:44 |
| lardman | anyone from Nokia on here who might want to see that the trace? | 18:44 |
| Tak | there's a stack trace in the middle of the fceu page on downloads, though :-) | 18:44 |
| |R | haha | 18:45 |
| Tak | speaking of stack traces, I just got: "ImageMagick: Image does not contain a geometry" | 18:46 |
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| maddler | Sho_: is your mail full of php errors? | 18:50 |
| maddler | mine was classified as junk because of that... | 18:51 |
| maddler | :) | 18:51 |
| |R | are the 8GB miniSD cards out yet ? | 18:52 |
| Tak | hm - is minisd hardware-back-compatible with rs-mmc? | 18:52 |
| [31d1] | dammit opera | 18:52 |
| |R | haha we are all wondering about n810 eh ;) | 18:52 |
| lardman | maddler: mine was, I just sent it to the webmaster so they know about it | 18:53 |
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| lardman | and on that happy note I can happily knock off and go to the pub | 18:54 |
| lardman | have a nice evening all | 18:54 |
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| Sho_ | maddler: no, no PHP or HTML errors | 19:00 |
| Sho_ | maddler: Simple plain text with a headline and paragraph of text, that's that :) | 19:00 |
| * Jaffa 's missus *wants* me to buy a big media card for our holiday at the start of december | 19:00 | |
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| bilboed | is the os/2008 firmware for n800 also released ? | 19:04 |
| maddler | Sho_: doh... who kn ows :) | 19:04 |
| Jaffa | bilboed: no, the N810's not available to buy yet. Just the codes gone out. Apparently the devices are in the distribution channels, tho | 19:04 |
| maddler | bilboed: not yet... afaik... | 19:05 |
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| bilboed | Jaffa, I never mentionned anything about n810 in my question :) | 19:05 |
| maddler | it should be released right after N810 is in shops... | 19:05 |
| bilboed | maddler, ok | 19:05 |
| bilboed | did maemo.org just die ? :) | 19:06 |
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| maddler | bilboed: looks so... | 19:06 |
| maddler | I get a squid error... | 19:07 |
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| maddler | bilboed: but... i suspect that midgard's errors in my mail and site not being up... are somehow related... | 19:09 |
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| Jaffa | bilboed: sorry, I assumed you knew maddler's addendum. | 19:10 |
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| l7 | so who's planning to buy then810? | 19:18 |
| Jiten | not me. | 19:18 |
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| Jiten | gps + crappy keyboard just isn't worth the price difference with n800 so even if I hadn't bought it yet, I'd get n800 | 19:19 |
| Dibblah | Heh. Just discovered an interesting device. The eten M700. | 19:19 |
| Dibblah | It's unremarkable apart from the fact it uses almost the same form-factor battery as the N770. | 19:20 |
| Dibblah | And is 2400mAh as opposed to the 'default' 1300mAh. | 19:20 |
| Tak | heh...almost? | 19:20 |
| Dibblah | It's 3mm thicker than the default cell. | 19:21 |
| Dibblah | ... But the battery bay in the N770 has 3mm of air behind it :) | 19:21 |
| l7 | everything else is unremarkable? | 19:21 |
| Dibblah | So, I now have it in my N770, which appears to be working just fine. | 19:21 |
| Jiten | that looks like a full blown n810 clone | 19:22 |
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| Dibblah | The batteries are fairly cheap as opposed to the Nokia ones, at least :) | 19:22 |
| shi11 | has anyone developed flash 9 apps for the n800? | 19:22 |
| Jiten | except that it appears to be a phone too. | 19:22 |
| l7 | the oQo has the same form factors as the n810 too | 19:23 |
| l7 | form factor | 19:23 |
| zoran | å/c | 19:23 |
| Jiten | and of course, runs windows mobile. | 19:23 |
| Dibblah | Of course, I needed to dismantle the existing cell + remantle it so the battery fuel guage works. | 19:23 |
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| l7 | bleh, windows mobile = fail | 19:24 |
| Dibblah | Still have to do the run-down test. | 19:24 |
| Tak | heh - dismantle/reassemble doesn't sound like fun | 19:25 |
| DRoBeR | "Windows *" uses to fail. ;P | 19:25 |
| Dibblah | It's fine - Just needs a knife and a soldering iron. | 19:25 |
| Dibblah | And plenty of due care and attention. | 19:25 |
| Dibblah | It's amazing how much energy is in a recent cell :) | 19:25 |
| nomis | Yay! /me has been accepted for the 810 device program. | 19:26 |
| l7 | i heard that the top row of keys in the n810 doesn't have enough clearance :\ | 19:26 |
| l7 | so your fingers hit bottom of the screen | 19:27 |
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| Dibblah | Hopefully, this *should* now have about 5 hours of web browsing runtime. | 19:28 |
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| Dibblah | IMHO, it looks a little better than http://blog.russnelson.com/images/external-battery/kif_4869.jpg | 19:31 |
| l7 | is it possible to try out os2007 or os2008 on your desktop computer? | 19:33 |
| L0cutus | Dibblah: did you know if it can run also as a n800 battery ? | 19:35 |
| zoran | the same L0cutus as on gein.vistech? | 19:38 |
| L0cutus | hem i doesn't know gein.** | 19:39 |
| zoran | k, the same nick on vms cluster | 19:39 |
| L0cutus | nono | 19:40 |
| zoran | :) | 19:40 |
| L0cutus | i'm Ita :) | 19:40 |
| zoran | gein is remote node and accessible via ssh | 19:41 |
| zoran | np | 19:41 |
| alterego | I is accepted! | 19:42 |
| alterego | Ended up in my junk folder O_O | 19:42 |
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| disq | ok. i demand 4 devices for testing. urgent! (bored) | 19:50 |
| * czr got only mail with "failure notice" in the subject | 19:50 | |
| czr | otoh, I didn't even apply :-) | 19:50 |
| czr | so I guess even that should make me cheerful :-) | 19:50 |
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| |R | haha | 19:52 |
| |R | ./maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh | 19:53 |
| |R | ... | 19:53 |
| |R | Check for scratchbox sessions running... | 19:53 |
| |R | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 19:53 |
| |R | ... | 19:53 |
| |R | E: You must close your other scratchbox sessions first | 19:53 |
| |R | E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option. | 19:53 |
| |R | wth? | 19:53 |
| _Monkey | wth is probably all that | 19:53 |
| |R | ehhe | 19:53 |
| |R | (first time installation, anyone care to comment? ;) | 19:54 |
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| * DRoBeR is away: Connection reset by beer ^_^ | 19:54 | |
| czr | connection reset by deer is better though. | 19:54 |
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| czr | them evil deerz. | 19:54 |
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| Dibblah | L0cutus: No idea. It depends if there's space behind the battery bay. | 20:01 |
| Dibblah | And that the owner of the N800 doesn't care about his warranty. | 20:01 |
| L0cutus | hehe | 20:02 |
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| |R | wtf, no target selected in scratchbox : run sb-menu... sb-menu -> same warning... | 20:04 |
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| kaltsi | R: what's your distro? | 20:06 |
| |R | Debian | 20:06 |
| |R | lenny/sid (unstable) | 20:07 |
| kaltsi | 32/64 bit? | 20:07 |
| |R | 32 | 20:07 |
| |R | on a quad core.. kernel 2.6.23.. uhm | 20:07 |
| kaltsi | haven't seen that before | 20:08 |
| |R | hehe fun :) | 20:08 |
| kaltsi | I wonder what it's trying to run at that time.. gotta check the script | 20:08 |
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| |R | yeah i'll try some debug | 20:08 |
| |R | brb :) | 20:08 |
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| czr | looks like a library incompatibility thing. a serious one. | 20:12 |
| czr | don't know whether it's host vs sbox or sbox vs target though. | 20:12 |
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| czr | |R, which arch do you run? | 20:12 |
| |R | x86 (intel Q6600) | 20:12 |
| czr | ah, you answered that already, sry | 20:12 |
| kaltsi | the script is calling /scratchbox/tools/bin/sb-conf list --targets | 20:13 |
| czr | |R, try running ldd from your host against that executable | 20:13 |
| czr | and pastebin the results. | 20:13 |
| |R | >ldd /scratchbox/tools/bin/sb-conf | 20:14 |
| |R | not a dynamic executable | 20:14 |
| kaltsi | heh | 20:14 |
| czr | uhm. | 20:14 |
| |R | :P | 20:14 |
| czr | it's a script? :-) | 20:14 |
| czr | file /sc... ? | 20:14 |
| kaltsi | it's probably python btw | 20:14 |
| |R | python yes | 20:14 |
| |R | links to inthebox | 20:14 |
| czr | try running python /scratchbox/tools/... | 20:14 |
| czr | ah. what's the first line of the script? | 20:15 |
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| czr | run ldd on that. | 20:15 |
| |R | #!/usr/bin/env python | 20:15 |
| czr | ah. so it uses python from your real host | 20:15 |
| |R | yep, python 2.4.. | 20:15 |
| czr | so the problem is not python. it's something that is run from within the script. | 20:16 |
| |R | should i get another version? | 20:16 |
| * |R needs to learn python ;0 | 20:16 | |
| czr | I don't think it's a python problem. ld.so doesn't care about python stuff. | 20:16 |
| czr | it's something that is executed from the python script that fails to run because ld.so cannot process the program. | 20:16 |
| czr | |R, did any of the older versions run? | 20:17 |
| czr | on the same setup. | 20:17 |
| |R | i tried installing for 3.2 but it was failing so i figured i'd wait for 4.0 | 20:17 |
| |R | but everything was removed | 20:17 |
| kaltsi | it's also calling grep | 20:17 |
| kaltsi | can you run 'grep' :) | 20:17 |
| |R | hehe yes :) | 20:18 |
| kaltsi | and wc | 20:18 |
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| |R | yes, i'm pretty sure all my basic shell comands are functional :| | 20:19 |
| |R | I've been using the machine since june | 20:19 |
| czr | 3.2 should work though. | 20:19 |
| kaltsi | it's unstable :D | 20:19 |
| |R | hehe | 20:19 |
| czr | never had a problem with 3.2, although I only used with feisty. 4.0beta is fine with gutsy too. | 20:20 |
| |R | urhm | 20:20 |
| kaltsi | what happens if you run that sb-conf in a shell | 20:20 |
| |R | i have gutsy on a laptop next to me... but the big machine is this one :( | 20:20 |
| |R | >sb-conf | 20:20 |
| |R | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 20:20 |
| |R | You dont have active target in scratchbox chroot. | 20:20 |
| |R | Please create one by running "sb-menu" before continuing | 20:20 |
| |R | and then 3 more time the line with Inconsistency detected ... | 20:20 |
| czr | |R, you can always use vmware and setup the environment there. that way using the sdk won't depend on the host stuff at all. | 20:20 |
| czr | or some other virtualized env. | 20:21 |
| |R | yeah i guess... | 20:21 |
| kaltsi | the python is calling chroot | 20:21 |
| czr | if you always run ldd on chroot then | 20:22 |
| czr | ldd is good because it basically tells the linker to link up all of the program, like it normally would, but instead of starting __start, it will dump the names of the so:s and quit. | 20:22 |
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| czr | so if ldd works, it's pretty likely linking will succeed for a program (barring dynamic runtime linking with dlopen and stuff like that) | 20:22 |
| |R | hehe LD_PRELOAD! ;) | 20:23 |
| |R | but uhm, ldd is fine on chroot | 20:23 |
| |R | nothing missing no where | 20:23 |
| czr | LD_PRELOAD? you have one set now? | 20:24 |
| disq | can't run xephyr in vncserver, interesting. segfault | 20:24 |
| |R | hehe no, i was joking :) | 20:24 |
| czr | |R, ah ok. you got me thinking about things :-) | 20:25 |
| kaltsi | did you try just running python already? | 20:25 |
| |R | i get the python prompt | 20:26 |
| kaltsi | ok | 20:26 |
| |R | >>>1+1 | 20:26 |
| |R | 2 | 20:26 |
| |R | :P | 20:26 |
| Cord | \o/ N810 maemo submission accepted! | 20:26 |
| Cord | :-) | 20:26 |
| kaltsi | I wonder if strace would be able to tell something, or ltrace | 20:26 |
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| |R | they weren't shipping to canada eh? | 20:26 |
| |R | i said france because i have family there but urhm, it's a pain ;) | 20:27 |
| Tak | canad'eh? | 20:27 |
| kaltsi | eh? | 20:27 |
| |R | eh! | 20:27 |
| |R | I'm french speaking actually, but i adapt to the country in english haha ;) | 20:27 |
| * Tak trying to learn french | 20:27 | |
| |R | :) | 20:27 |
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| |R | hola hexa :) | 20:28 |
| hexa | hi , i'm looking for a list of the supported dsp codecs .. anyone would know where to find this ? | 20:28 |
| hexa | |R: hey :) | 20:28 |
| kaltsi | votre scratchbox est merde | 20:28 |
| |R | kaltsi : haha yep! | 20:28 |
| kaltsi | :P | 20:29 |
| |R | ok, i'll start a thread on ITT, we'll see :| | 20:29 |
| Tak | mon scratchbox?! | 20:29 |
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| |R | france version: ma scratchbox est merdique! | 20:29 |
| kaltsi | google finds something with your error | 20:30 |
| |R | quebec version: scratchbox c'est de la marde! | 20:30 |
| kaltsi | related to scratchbox even | 20:30 |
| |R | oh | 20:30 |
| kaltsi | According to Daniel Stone, the kernel needs VDSO compat enabled in order to run Scratchbox. | 20:30 |
| kaltsi | The Scratchbox runs on older kernel image. | 20:30 |
| kaltsi | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/86457 | 20:30 |
| |R | if it's just a recompile... | 20:30 |
| czr | kaltsi, sounds about right | 20:30 |
| kaltsi | ahh the good old google | 20:31 |
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| |R | cheers to that :) | 20:31 |
| czr | should sleep more, should've seen that from the message, bleh. | 20:31 |
| * |R go looking for a vdso compat option | 20:31 | |
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| Cord | hmmm... how do i get my blog on Planet Maemo? This Midgardstuff is driving me nuts. | 20:31 |
| Tak | hmm, how do we determine that our scratchbox is feminine? ;-) | 20:32 |
| czr | Tak, without sounding sexist? | 20:33 |
| |R | Tak : that doesn't make any sens in french, and i was laughting and used feminin for france and masculin for quebec as foreign words get adapted randomly depending on the local culture ;) | 20:33 |
| czr | difficult :-) | 20:33 |
| |R | even here... mtl will use more masculine, and quebec city, 200km north, will use feminin more | 20:33 |
| |R | go figure | 20:33 |
| Tak | I see | 20:34 |
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| |R | but... desk -> bureau and table -> table (same) ... you'll have "une table" but "un bureau" | 20:35 |
| |R | so, well, it's pretty much a historic language thing i guess, that's the hardest thing to learn i guess | 20:36 |
| * |R guesses a lot | 20:36 | |
| * |R brb -> looking for a VDSO option in the MENU! | 20:36 | |
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| Luria | whats wrong with maemo.org? its slow and often dies. | 20:54 |
| Luria | did someone release os2008 and not tell me? | 20:54 |
| unit42 | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html - "Today we are releasing the final version of the maemo 4.0 Chinook SDK, containing the full set of OS2008 APIs and some bugfixes from the beta version released on September. As announced previously, Chinook and OS2008 are both fully compatible with the Nokia N810 and N800. Developers should follow the release notes and installation instructions as usual. Check also the content | 20:55 |
| Luria | i didnt think the sdk release would cause such traffic | 20:56 |
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| Luria | the firmware release will be painful | 20:57 |
| Luria | 300k geeks all hitting the site with large pipes all at the same time. | 20:57 |
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| * ds3 grumbles about OS2008 and N770 :/ | 20:58 | |
| unit42 | Did you participate in the N810 device program? | 20:59 |
| czr | the server must be a small box. | 20:59 |
| czr | the same server serves as the primary mx for the mailing lists as well. | 21:00 |
| czr | which causes the problems in the ml delivery as well (out of sequence messages and long delays and such) | 21:00 |
| czr | this was before the sdk release. | 21:00 |
| czr | probably ml will suffer much more now. | 21:00 |
| unit42 | Hmm. Who operates / sponsors the server? | 21:00 |
| czr | unit42, ericsson? | 21:00 |
| * czr hides and runs. | 21:00 | |
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| czr | who do you think? :-) | 21:00 |
| unit42 | Bill G. or may be Steve J. ... :-) | 21:01 |
| unit42 | whois states "CiderCone Oy, FI" | 21:02 |
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| czr | ah, true. | 21:03 |
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| unit42 | http://www.cidercone.com/ ... also active over here in Germany | 21:05 |
| unit42 | Dunno them. | 21:05 |
| czr | I always thought that N (directly or indirectly) operated the site and the ml. | 21:06 |
| * czr shrugs | 21:06 | |
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| tko | timeless: ?? "Opening the VKB for a <textarea> will probably ignore autocapitalization mode and just use lowercase. (Editor's note: this seems to be rocket science, and the APIs involved don't seem to be particularly useful/workable.)" | 21:10 |
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| X-Fade_ | tko: you got to love comments like that :) | 21:11 |
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| tko | first time I hear it | 21:12 |
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| tko | but then again, I'm not too familiar with the IM stuff.. just accepting patches | 21:13 |
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| Luria | you know, i just thought of something. the n810's gps better be really good, otherwise in store demos will be funny | 21:26 |
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| Luria | im thinking of the nyc flasgship store | 21:26 |
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| Luria | even if they walk someone outside (its not that big of a store), 57th st in midtown is quite challenging. | 21:27 |
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| czr | maybe they can afford to run a proper cable down to the store. I would imagine phones with gps have exactly the same problem anyway. | 21:38 |
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| Cord | :-) | 21:57 |
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| Cord | is it known what GPS-Chip it is? | 21:57 |
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| disq | probably what n95/whatever has | 22:00 |
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| |R | heh, VSDO did fix the SDK 4.0 install... | 22:01 |
| kaltsi | good to hear :) | 22:01 |
| |R | but now make-kpkg is broken so i can get my nvidia kernel module back up with the new kernel... so scratchbox is installed | 22:01 |
| |R | but i'll need to wait for that to be fixed to go back to VSDO kernel haha ;) | 22:02 |
| |R | )#cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.23 | 22:02 |
| |R | #make-kpkg | 22:02 |
| |R | exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.23-10.00.Custom | 22:02 |
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| |R | /bin/sh: line 0: [: -ge: unary operator expected | 22:02 |
| |R | etc for a couple of lines, with -ge -lt etc | 22:02 |
| |R | wth :P | 22:02 |
| |R | haha | 22:02 |
| * |R has a bad hair day it seems ;) | 22:02 | |
| kaltsi | does i have #!/bin/sh as the first line? | 22:02 |
| |R | make-kpkg ? | 22:03 |
| kaltsi | or well that may not matter.. someone is no using ""'s around a variable in test clause | 22:03 |
| kaltsi | hmm who ate my t's? | 22:03 |
| |R | sounds weird from a debian system command | 22:04 |
| kaltsi | that's what I get when I write scripts and forget to enclose a variable in quotes and then it some data that has spaces in the variables | 22:04 |
| |R | yeah i know ;| | 22:05 |
| kaltsi | bohoo.. maybe you can have both if you run ubuntu with vmware in your lenny :) | 22:07 |
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| |R | hehee | 22:07 |
| |R | I'm sure it's something as stupid as the vdso :| | 22:08 |
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| kaltsi | try google? :) | 22:08 |
| |R | doing... | 22:08 |
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| |R | urhm | 22:26 |
| Rask330 | Has anyone ever heard of a decent FTP/SFTP client for the N800? | 22:27 |
| Tak | heh, I built my own debs for gftp | 22:28 |
| Rask330 | gftp? | 22:28 |
| Tak | but I wouldn't call the result decent | 22:28 |
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| |R | even weird, make-kpkg works in an old 2.6.21.5 tree... but not in my 2.6.23 tree (where i worked a month ago) after the new option/recompile (and some dist-upgrades i'm guessing...) | 22:38 |
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| |R | err weirder | 22:39 |
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| lopz | re | 22:44 |
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| |R | ok i fixed it... re did the whole kernel tree | 22:51 |
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| |R | reboooot! ;) | 22:54 |
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| FMz | So, I am now the proud owner of an n800... and I put the wrong password in for our WLAN... and can't find how to change it. | 22:58 |
| Luria | control panel/connections, iirc | 22:58 |
| kaltsi | control panel/connectivity and then connections maybe.. then edit the access point | 22:59 |
| FMz | It only lets me either connect or cancel | 22:59 |
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| tigert | Tools > connection manager or what it was? | 23:01 |
| tigert | it has a list of saved connections | 23:01 |
| tigert | you can delete or edit from there | 23:01 |
| tigert | like kaltsi said | 23:01 |
| derf | There's always gconf-editor. | 23:01 |
| FMz | I'm there now, but can't see any way to edit... only try to connect | 23:02 |
| FMz | First time it prompted me | 23:02 |
| tigert | lemme get my n800 somewhere | 23:02 |
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| tigert | does it have tools -> connectivity settings in the top menu? | 23:03 |
| FMz | You sir, are a star... | 23:04 |
| tigert | or I fail to remember if OS2007 had connectivity settings in the top "go to internet" -menu? | 23:04 |
| FMz | Found it. | 23:04 |
| FMz | Thanks! | 23:04 |
| tigert | since the stuff is a bit different / hopefully easier on OS2008 | 23:04 |
| tigert | and I didnt find my N800 for now | 23:04 |
| tigert | I think I left it at work :/ | 23:04 |
| tigert | but good | 23:04 |
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| tbf | hmm. seems only positive notifications were sent for the n810 program, but no negative notifications? | 23:07 |
| kaltsi | what notifications? | 23:08 |
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| kaltsi | ah device program notifications | 23:13 |
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| nelson | czr: of course, another possibility is to run gpsd for all applications, and for in-store applications, run against a gpsd which is simulating movement. | 23:18 |
| czr | nelson, I'm so lucky that I don't manage the shop then ;-) | 23:18 |
| czr | "oh give me a sec, something is wrong with the simulator" "no no, you're not inside a wall right now".. | 23:19 |
| keesj | tools . control panel . network . connections .delete. | 23:20 |
| keesj | that is vert deep | 23:20 |
| kaltsi | hmm when will the first guy sue Nokia for turning into a river "because the n810 told me to turn there" :P | 23:20 |
| keesj | very | 23:20 |
| czr | kaltsi, depends on when n810 launches in the us. | 23:20 |
| nelson | czr: gpsd has a feature where it will play back a GPS track. | 23:20 |
| kaltsi | czr wasn't there a woman in UK who followed the directions into a lake too.. so better keep an eye out for UK also :) | 23:21 |
| * czr shrugs to all :-) | 23:21 | |
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| tigert | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1778911 | 23:30 |
| tigert | oops :) | 23:30 |
| tigert | totally wrong channel :D | 23:30 |
| tigert | but whatever, its friday and it kinda fits | 23:30 |
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| |R | ok! | 23:49 |
| |R | fixed... | 23:49 |
| |R | Turns out, make-kpkg can't stand having paravirtualisation on in the kernel's .config ... go figure | 23:49 |
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| ds3 | now that 2008 is out, does 2008 support USB OTG? | 23:53 |
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| |R | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > <- touchdown! ;) | 23:54 |
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| kaltsi | R: congrats! now nothing stands between you and the maemo killer app anymore :) | 23:55 |
| |R | kaltsi : indeed! | 23:55 |
| |R | Now, i need to put some WD40 on my coding skills ;) | 23:56 |
| kaltsi | if it's of any help, the dev tools pages were revamped a bit and some new tools were made available: http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 23:57 |
| * |R getting xephyr | 23:57 | |
| |R | good :) | 23:57 |
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