IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-11-09

timelessbut he took advantage of an error, that's my fault00:00
alteregoOf course.00:00
alteregoczr, are these coroutines anything like my callback methods?00:00
czralterego, debugging the stuff is pretty close to impossible though. gdb segfaults :-)00:00
czralterego, oh no.00:00
alteregoHeh00:00
czrthey're much closer to the continuations stuff. no anonymous functions required at all.00:01
alteregoI don't entirely understand this idea.00:01
czrthink about regular function call chains. function a calls function b calls function c which cannot continue immediately. it is then frozen until an external event will unfreeze it and it will continue.00:01
czr(and at some point return to b, and return to a)00:01
alteregoRight00:02
czrpoint being that implementing a and b do not need any special support for this. they're used just like regular functions00:02
alteregoAh.00:02
czrI wanted to implement a fast memory allocator for this as well, but decided that C isn't really useful for that00:03
alteregoSo, without recursion?00:03
czrmaybe I'll rewrite it using LLVM at some point.00:03
alteregoMore like leap frogging or something.00:03
czrrecursion has nothing to do with this. functions can recurse if they want.00:03
alteregoI'm just looking at an example on wikipedia.00:04
czralterego, think of a simple UDP-based networking application. you send a request and can continue only after a response (or a timeout)00:04
czrsearch for 'co-routine implementation in C'. most of them don't work properly and do not support external wakeups though.00:04
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timelesssp3000: can you look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146#c1900:04
alteregoHeh00:04
timelessi want to know how that works?00:04
czrit's pretty crazy though, don't expect to find anything that works :-)00:04
timelesss/.$/./00:04
milhousetimeless - _monkey can help with bug references, eg. bug 2146 comment 1900:05
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milhouseoh bugger, that should have worked...00:05
timelessi'd have to copy them00:05
milhousebug 2146 comment 1900:05
timelessthe urls are easier to reach00:05
milhousehmmm... borked00:05
doublecprotothreads is quite nice: http://www.sics.se/~adam/pt/00:05
milhouse_monkey has dieed00:05
doublecfor C anyway00:06
alteregoCrap.00:06
sp3000timeless: which part00:06
czralterego, the thing gets much more interesting once you want multiple concurrent co-routine domains ("threads" or whatever you want to call them).00:06
alteregoThe API breaks between bora and chinook are kind of annoying.00:06
czralterego, and obviously memory allocation and transactional cancellation is pretty hard to do (impossible in C pretty much).00:06
timelesssp3000: how it's sharing passwords00:06
timelessis it using an external js file?00:07
timelessif so, i can include that from a random site, right?00:07
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alteregoI think I'll just stop ruby-maemo support < OS200800:07
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milhousebug 2146 comment 1900:07
_MonkeyBug 2146 comment 19 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146#c1900:07
timelessthat's funny00:07
milhouse_monkey good boy00:07
_Monkey:)00:07
timelessi set votes to confirm or misdirected to 2000:08
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timelessmilhouse: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403094 filed00:11
timelessthanks00:11
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milhouseno thank you :)00:11
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timelessanyway, if 3 becomes an issue, well.... it's easily bumpable00:12
milhousedoes that mean in maemo bugzilla the setting is now 3?00:12
timelessyes00:13
milhousecool, many thanks00:13
timelessmost of the bugs i saw had about 3 people complaining about them00:13
timelessand they were generally real enough00:13
timelessmaking the number too high can encourage people to game the system by creating clone accounts00:14
milhousenot sure i can see the point myself - not sure votes have that much influence00:14
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milhouseat least not much influence in maemo bugzilla, maybe more influence elsewhere00:15
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timelesswhat's #milhouse ??00:16
sp3000heh 'This may be due to me missing the "do not use capital letters" in the username section when I created the account.'00:17
timeless"10 people consistnetly strongly feel this is important"00:18
timelessengineers generally ignore voting00:19
timelessbut at least, in a world like this w/ a company, it's potentially useful00:19
timelessthe reason for the comment itself is because votes are transient00:20
timelessif a bug has 2 votes today, is unconfirmed, and the threshold is 300:20
timelessyou want something to record when/why/how the bug transitioned to confirmed00:20
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timelessnow,bugzilla  could theoretically seal into the activity log a list of all the voters it took to confirm the bug00:21
timelessbut... it doesn't :)00:21
milhouseblimey... bug 621 can be closed now surely?00:21
_MonkeyBug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62100:21
milhouse(just going through the top voted bugs...)00:22
milhouse621 has 19 votes - "Unable to use 2GB MMC cards" :)00:22
timelesscan you go through fixed bugs and set target milestones to the version that had the fix?00:23
milhouseme? i can give it a try00:23
milhouseshould i close them too?00:23
milhouse-> CLOSED?00:23
timelesspersoanlly i'd just move things to verified00:23
milhousewho should close the bug?00:23
timelessi like to reserve closed for an admin to come up w/ a story00:23
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timelessarguably products that have shipped or retired are a fairly good choice00:24
milhousei'd agree, but do we have anyone doing that?00:24
timelessso probably all verified 770 bugs should transition to closed00:24
timelessbut that'd involve talking to jake/quim00:24
timelessand i have other problems00:24
timeless Bugfix update #2 - This is the latest one currently!00:24
* timeless chuckles00:24
milhousebug 621 should have been closed when OS 2006 3.2006.49-2 (or was it 2.2006.39-14?) shipped00:24
_MonkeyBug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62100:24
timelessdunno00:25
sp3000dunno if closed adds a whole lot of value00:25
timelessfinding the release notes is a pain00:25
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milhousesp3000 - takes it out of the searches00:25
sp3000ew00:25
* sp3000 dislikes anything that takes things out of searches :)00:25
sp3000in the general case anyhow00:25
milhouse:) i guess i could exclude resolved from my search!00:26
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timelesshttp://nokia770.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/2200639-14-it2006-release-notes/00:26
milhouseanyone remember when 2gb support was added - 2nd or 3rd release of OS 2006?00:26
timelessit's that one00:26
timelessit's explicitly listed :)00:26
timelesso Capability to use 2GB RS-MMC memory cards00:26
milhousethat looks like 3.2006 - thanks timeless00:26
timelessno00:27
milhouseooh... now the milestone is in terms of maemo... so 3.2006 of OS 2006 is 2.1?00:27
timeless#00:27
timeless# 2.1 - 2.2006.39-14 scirocco00:27
milhouse2.2?00:27
_Monkeywell, 2.2 is the latest official it200600:27
timelessgah00:27
timeless2.2006.39-14 IT2006 Release Notes00:27
timelessso it's 2.100:27
milhouseah ok - thanks00:28
timelesshttp://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/00:28
timelesshas the "table"00:28
milhousehandy00:28
timelessyeah :)00:28
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timelessHave I visited this website before today? Yes, 32 times00:29
milhouseupdated milestone to 2.1 on bug 621, left it resolved fixed00:29
timeless(so says minefield)00:29
_MonkeyBug 621 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62100:29
milhousehave just emailed about 30 peeps... :)00:29
timelessi've visited the internal one ~400 times :)00:29
timelesscourse, part of that might have been while i was writing the page :)00:30
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* sp3000 likes how the content on that page info pane fits into the window ...not00:32
milhousebug 976 was fixed in 3.2 i believe... anyone disagree?00:33
_MonkeyBug 976 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97600:33
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timelesssp3000: how's bug 65511 look?00:33
_MonkeyBug 65511 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551100:33
timelessor it might not be!00:33
alteregoHmm .. I'm going to have to restructure my project page.00:33
alteregoI didn't think about different package versioning ..00:33
milhousetimeless - doesn't look like anyone is willing to verify it's fixed!00:34
alteregoindependant version even ..00:34
bstockhey i'm trying to install maemo mapper on OS2006, its saying 'Depends: hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.24-3) but 0.12.22-1 is to be installed'00:34
bstockis there a repo or something for hildon-libs0 i can add?00:34
alteregobstock, look at the numbers.00:34
sp3000that looks like in a likely range for a tracker I can't see from here :)00:34
timelessmilhouse: well, they claim it was fixed in a release, 3.2 seems like the only one00:34
bstockalterego: ya, it wants a newer version of hildon-libs00:34
alteregoMaybe you should update to OS2007HE00:35
timelessoh, could you set the hardware, os, and version?00:35
timelessn800/itos/3.000:35
bstocklast time i tried that, i couldn't run maemo mapper at all, nor xournal00:35
bstockand those are the 2 apps i use most heavily00:35
milhousetimeless - done00:35
timelessmilhouse: there are 17 voters, a reporter, and 2 cc's00:35
milhouseyou'd think someone would have commented if it was still happening00:36
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timelessi think it's not unreasonable to make a note to yourself to send them an email in 7 days asking if any of them have had problems, have not upgraded, etc00:36
* timeless likes the taktaktak account in bugs.maemo :)00:37
alteregoHmm, I'm gonna be releasing 0.3.0 tomorrow.00:37
alteregoWell, I could do it tonight I guess.00:37
timelessgah, sp3000, what version do you have?00:38
timelessi think i have 39 and maybe a 4200:38
* timeless hunts a 4200:38
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sp3000still w26 :D00:38
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timelesshrm, i should use a picure from stress for his :)00:39
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* sp3000 dislikes "latest"00:42
timelessum, bluetooth is flaky00:43
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sp3000use gnomevfs-copy from command-line :P00:45
timelessnice, web browser pops to front at least twice while loading in the "background"00:45
sp3000whodunnit, content or chrome00:46
alteregotimeless, yeah. That's f*cking annoying.00:46
sp3000clearly I don't download things enough :)00:46
timelesssp3000: download?00:47
_Monkeydownload is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs.00:47
alteregoI get that from opening pages and task switching00:47
timelessi'm talking about launching from tn00:47
alteregoNot downloading files.00:47
timelessand then opening images(app from tn)00:47
timelessit pops o front twice while i'm using images00:47
milhousealterego: me too, fcking annoying00:47
alterego:)00:48
sp3000hum00:48
sp3000I don't think I see that00:48
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sp3000that is, infrequently enough that I'd like to blame content for asking for something resembling that00:49
milhousesp3000: try and view a complex page and then switch away to another window/app using the task switch - it's nigh on impossible depending on the complexity of the page being downloaded00:49
milhousei wonder if it's got anything to do with changing page title etc.00:49
timelessoh, sp3000?00:49
timelesscan you find an image that's 600x300?00:49
timelessat that size, it should fit into the browser normally, right?00:50
sp3000milhouse: testcase?00:50
sp3000can I blame a plugin? :)00:50
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timelesssp3000: suppose you zoom that image00:50
milhousesp3000: hmm... tricky... i tend to notice it on forum pages00:50
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timelesssay to 240%00:50
timelessat this point, the image will no longer fit on the screen, right?00:50
timelesswhat should happen if you tap the image? :)00:51
sp3000istr there might be some forum software that is/canbeconfiguredtobe focus() happy?00:51
milhousemind you, the task switcher and application focus is pretty screwed up - see bug 218500:52
_MonkeyBug 2185 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218500:52
timelesscool.00:53
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timelessyou can't click to shrink an image if it's 600x360 and it is zoomed to 240% :)00:53
* alterego packages up ruby-maemo 0.3.0 :)00:54
sp3000hrm, our history isn't gooey-configurable to a useful size?00:55
alteregoHahah00:55
timelessof course not00:55
timelessbut you can gooey configure some "cache"00:55
timelessand "automatic redirection"00:55
sp3000timeless: like http://nullfield.dyndns.org/~tt/an-image-that-is-600x300.png ?00:55
timelessthat's the red button painted on the side of a wall00:55
timelessit doesn't do anything :)00:55
timelesssp3000: i used Images, loaded panda, and used resize 75% :)00:56
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timelesssorry :)00:56
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* timeless sighs01:05
timelesszooming an image doesn't trigger "Updating"01:05
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timelesseven tough tthat'd be bboth logical and useful01:05
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sp3001not that I'm interested in the history size being gooey-configurable, more like it being of a useful size :\01:06
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timelesswha do you mean by history?01:06
timelessbfcache, back/forward nav?01:06
timelesshistory count?01:06
timeless(i.e. window)01:06
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sp3000the one that saves me typing :)01:09
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timelessvkb :)01:11
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sp3000vkb is somewhat less informed in that input domain :\01:12
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sp3000hm, 9 days apparently. it's short enough to feel unreliable01:13
sp3000but of course it depends on usage pattern from user to another how frequently it'll fail01:14
* sp3000 adds a zero01:15
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milhousetimeless - is there a reason why document.title = "XXX" doesn't change the window title in MicroB? security?01:18
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timelesssp3000:01:45
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timeless 2. In testing it seems that you may need to zoom01:45
timelessonce first before you can use tap to shrink to fit after having previously01:45
timelessscaled an image in the window.01:45
timelessthat bug's *great* :)01:45
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* sp3000 notices this old microb gets a js alert title in finnish that is ...well, the kind of alert that involves klaxons or such02:01
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timelessklaxons?02:03
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timelessit's probably eal, most likely there's no api for it exposed in eal (i.e., it probably assumes this won't happen)02:04
atariiianyone here got the xterm advanced deb? the rep and one click install seems down :(02:04
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sp3000timeless: otoh I don't suppose the englishh term makes any more sense02:16
sp3000since for a non-technical audience I suppose 'alert' means something bad happened02:18
sp3000then again, a js alert() happening is something bad :P02:18
milhouseoh man, all i got for my 16th birdway was a video game... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/08/school_incident02:18
milhouses/birdway/birthday/02:18
infobotmilhouse meant: oh man, all i got for my 16th birthday was a video game... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/08/school_incident02:18
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MarkusTThis might be a strange question :-). My sister is searching for an "ebay capable" device for her husband. So that he's able to surf ebay from the living room. I think a N800 is a nice tool for that, but since I'm not owning one, I can't tell for sure. I installed the maemo sdk to check how ebay would look on a maemo system, but it seems no browser is available in the repositories. I also searched google images for some screenshots, but couldn't fi02:53
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alteregoMarkusT, you have to zoom out one level to fit the whole width but it renders perfectly on the device.02:55
alteregoMarkusT, http://alterego.freeshell.org/ebay-n800.png02:57
lopzre02:58
MarkusTThank you *sooooooooooooo* much alterego! The device will be his x-mas present, so you might have made him quite happy. Thanks again!02:59
alteregoNo problem :)02:59
sciboyZoooom03:00
alteregoruby-maemo  0.3.0 is now out.03:00
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alteregoWith hildon-fm and a few bug fixes.03:00
sciboyalterego, It's official, I'm now a blender junky. I'll be specialising in it as my main tool for animation etc.03:00
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alteregosciboy, nice. From what I've used of it, it's very agreable :)03:01
sciboyIt's the one tool I keep coming back to, might as well stick to it.03:01
sciboyIt's powerful and reliable. =P03:02
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sciboyPlus macro's will be implemented soon and things are going to be insanely easy after that.03:02
sciboyThat was my only real concern since I tend to repeat settings a lot.03:04
alteregoAh03:04
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alteregoIs it me or are those pidgin folks cheating ..03:09
alteregoSetting their updated date to some time in the future so they're always at the to of the "Fresh" list in the downloads page.03:09
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sciboyHaving something that to me should've taken a few seconds for each of the hundreds of objects I'd be setting up, instead taking 5 minutes to hit all the right options was disconcerting.03:15
GeneralAntillesHa03:16
sp3000oh, some maemo css still makes visited links larger than unvisited ones03:17
sp3000sigfh03:17
sp3000sigh even03:17
* sp3000 should bug. tomorrow.03:18
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Luriahmmm04:26
Luriaquiet all around.04:26
Luriaany reliable rumors as to the chinook release?04:27
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Luriaguess not04:29
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GeneralAntillesHa. I've been doing VNC demos for people considering buying an N800.04:54
ol_schoolathats nothin. just use it to stream your recorded shows and vids from your mythtv system via ssh or vpn. that'll stop em dead04:56
GeneralAntillesHa04:58
ol_schoolai've had my 800 six days and ... and ... and ... well, there's just to much joy right now to even speak04:58
GeneralAntillesNo MythTV rig here. :P04:58
* ol_schoola doesn't know what bell or whistle to play with next04:59
GeneralAntillesQuake04:59
GeneralAntillesduh04:59
ol_schoolaomg04:59
ol_schoolai am afk for the next three hours04:59
GeneralAntillesaflegg's mediaserv04:59
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ol_schoolanow what would i want a mediaserv app for with a myth backend?05:00
lord_moonrakerGreetings and Salutations05:01
GeneralAntillesFair enough05:01
GeneralAntillesGet FBReader yet?05:01
GeneralAntillesOr maemo mapper05:01
_Monkeyhmmm... maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/05:01
GeneralAntillesCarman, if you have an OBD-ii reader05:01
ol_schoolatrying to get maps from winmapper to work05:01
GeneralAntillesThey wont05:01
ol_schoolaFBreader rocks05:01
GeneralAntilles2.0 changed to databases05:02
GeneralAntillesthe old directory system no longer works05:02
ol_schoolawell, in my defense, i've had it for less than a week. trying to cull through the fora and list archives is .... tasking05:02
GeneralAntilles;)05:03
ol_schoolabut i wish i knew that yesterday afternoon before i invested that time05:03
ol_schoolaany other method of getting map data in there without autoloading?05:03
GeneralAntillesmanage maps05:04
GeneralAntillesin the menu05:04
GeneralAntillesselect the region and zoom levels05:04
ol_schoolak05:04
ol_schoolawhat does that get me?05:05
ol_schoolaoh, does that bound a rect around the area i want maps for and never dl's from outside it?05:05
GeneralAntilleschached maps05:05
GeneralAntillesIt'll still autodownload maps from everywhere05:06
GeneralAntillesthat just caches the area.05:06
ol_schoolaright, but how do i get the greater metro Chicago area in there very quickly05:06
GeneralAntillesframe the greater metro Chicago area in the view05:06
GeneralAntillesgo to the manage maps05:07
GeneralAntillesselect the zoom levels you want05:07
GeneralAntillesmake sure its set to view area05:07
GeneralAntillesand click download05:07
GeneralAntillesor tap ;)05:07
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ol_schoolaoh, i see05:08
ol_schoolai think i'll just go rtfm ;)05:08
ol_schoolai really am in the candy store     8-)05:08
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ol_schoolai think i'll need the ac adapter05:09
GeneralAntillesJust keep it plugged in while your at home05:09
GeneralAntillesyou're*05:09
lord_moonrakerdoes anybody know why an app gets killed after 15 seconds when launched from menu? the app works fine when launched from command line.. its a pygtk app05:11
GeneralAntillesYour .desktop is messed up?05:11
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lord_moonrakeroh, ok, i thought it may be the .service file05:13
GeneralAntillesOr, it could be that05:13
GeneralAntillesI really don't know05:13
lord_moonrakerok thanks, maybe its just my n80005:13
lord_moonrakerhey thanks!!, i found the problem, this line was causing the problem, X-Osso-Service=org.maemo.garage.pyaxelwii05:18
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lord_moonrakerin the .desktop file05:20
lord_moonrakerGeneralAntilles:thanks again, i've been trying to find an answer for the past two days! now i can release my v0.9.3:)05:20
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GeneralAntillesHa05:21
GeneralAntillesSure thing.05:21
ol_schoolaGeneralAntilles:  thx for that, downloading fine now05:25
GeneralAntillesSure05:25
ol_schoolaone more if you have a mo'05:25
ol_schoolacan you copy the cache file to mmc2 and redirect mapper to it?05:26
GeneralAntillesYou just have to change the location of the map databases05:26
GeneralAntillesin the repositories setup05:26
ol_schoolait will move them? neat05:26
ol_schoolathx a bunch. i gotta knock off, 'twas a long day05:27
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Luriaanyone else not so enthralled about the 810?06:01
Luriaother than making 800s really cheap?06:01
l7i have mixed feelings about the 81006:02
Luriaand that there should be more than one more firmware release for the 80006:02
Luriawhat do you like about it?06:02
l7more than one firmware?06:02
Luriaa while ago someone guaranteed at least two releases for the n80006:03
l7well i won't really know if i want the 810 until i can hold in my hands06:03
Luriachinook + one more06:03
l7would the other one maintain compatibility with older apps?06:03
Luriayeah06:03
l7i want a travelling companion, and the n810 seems like a good choice06:04
Luriachinook is supposedly switching to real package managment06:04
l7but i'm not sure if the GPS will be up to snuff06:04
Luriano more reflashing and losing everything06:04
l7if the GPS is medicore, i would just buy the n800 and a seperate GPS, but that would be more junk to carry around06:04
Luriai do that06:04
l7which GPS do you have?06:05
Luriado you know what the chipset is?06:05
_Monkeysomebody said the chipset was better than SiRF III06:05
Luriai blue 757 pro06:05
l7i don't suppose there's any way to link it to the n800 via bluetooth?06:05
Luriai do it all the time06:05
l7oh nice06:05
Luriaits a bluetooth solar receiver06:06
Luriaand logger06:06
l7wow06:06
Luriaalso supports 5hz sampling06:06
l7the price is pretty low too06:07
ol_schoola    which chipset does the iBlue have?06:07
Luriastartup aquisition is low, but once it locks, accuracy is fantastic06:07
l7what sort of GPS software do you run on your n800?06:07
Luriaand i live in one of the worst cities for gps06:07
l7hmm06:07
l7do you drive or walk with it?06:07
lord_moonrakeriblue 737 has mtk313806:07
Luriaboth06:08
lord_moonrakeri got a holux m1000 with th mtk chipset06:08
l7how do you walk around with it?06:08
ol_schoolareally. how does that compare to Sirf306:08
ol_schoola?06:08
l7doesn't the iblue need LOS to the sky?06:08
lord_moonrakerwell mtk chipset version is cheaper06:08
Luriaequal/slightly better in sensitivity06:08
Luriai keep it in a bag06:08
Luriahttp://www.semsons.com/i757prosobtd.html06:09
Lurialike a knapsack06:09
l7hmm, i guess it depends on how good the n810's GPS software is06:09
l7i don't like having to pay extra for the premium GPS features though06:09
Luriai use an n800+BT keyboard+iblue06:10
l7or the miniSD slot06:10
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l7yeah, i might want to try that setup06:10
Luriain fact, im on maemo xchat right now in a cafe06:10
l7do you travel with it much?06:10
Luriasome.06:10
Luriaim looking forward to the new mapping though06:10
l7it seems like a lot to travel with though, since i want to travel as light as possible06:10
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Luriamaybe, but i really rely on the kybd for rdesktop06:11
Luriaand i suspect the slide out wont cut it06:11
l7yeah i have been wondering about that too06:11
Luriaa few months back, i took my laptop and my n800 and kybd to miami from nyc06:12
l7the slide out might be adequate for casual web browsing or looking up directions06:12
l7but it seems too small for serious chat or email06:12
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Luriathe on screen keyboard is fine for that06:12
Luriaemail/texting and microblogging i expect will be better06:12
l7huh?06:13
Luriai like the slimmer case06:13
Luriaemail with the large screen kybd blows06:13
l7hmm yeah06:13
Luriaand the small onscreen is useless06:13
Luriasame for im06:13
l7can you run google maps on your n800?06:14
Luriamaemo mapper06:14
_Monkeymaemo mapper is, like, geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/06:14
l7i tried it in the store and it seemed insanely slow06:14
l7but maybe the store just had crappy wifi06:14
astro76it works well with the microb browser06:14
astro76mozilla based06:14
Luriayeah06:14
astro76even the street view06:14
Luriaforgot about opera :-)p06:14
astro76maemo mapper is still easier though06:14
l7hrm06:15
Luriai wonder if maemo mapper will be still be useful with the new maps06:15
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l7it's too bad the slide out keyboard also hides all the buttons06:15
astro76well, I doubt the new maps will access google or microsoft data06:15
Luriai mean, whether there will be much of a point with the new firmware06:15
l7otherwise the n810 would be a better ipod replacement06:15
Luriayeah, wtf06:15
_Monkeyyeah, are there english - chinese dicts anywhere? or can whitestork now use edict files.06:15
Luriaalso, no camera06:16
l7kickstand placement doesn't seem to work well with the slide out on the n810 either06:16
Luriaas in, using the n810 as a camera06:16
GeneralAntillesOf course it will, does the new OS2008 Maps app have satellite view? No.06:16
Luriasatelitte view is of limited utility on an IT06:16
GeneralAntillesBullshit06:17
astro76I'd imagine the new Maps app will mostly be useful for paying for the service06:17
l7hrm do any maemo maps have satelitte view?06:17
GeneralAntillesEver been canoeing or boating with maemo mapper?06:17
astro76l7, google and virtual earth06:17
GeneralAntillesAt night?06:17
GeneralAntillesBeautiful for finding shoals and underwater hazards06:17
Luriamaemo mapper can be set up with a bunch of map repos06:17
l7astro76: does virtual earth have street level view?06:17
LuriaVE, Google, Openmap06:17
astro76l7, I believe that is activeX06:18
l7i have to say the iphone's google map widget is impressive06:18
l7even if it lacks hybrid06:18
GeneralAntillesmaemo mapper is better06:18
Luriaonly thing about ve that i like is the fact that it has israel, which google seems to have erased.06:18
GeneralAntillesGPS06:18
Luriano streets, but at least major highways06:19
GeneralAntillesN800 with GPS and google satellite is the perfect hiking companion06:20
l7GeneralAntilles: how so?06:20
l7i like to go hiking whenever possible06:20
GeneralAntillesYou get aerial photography of your current location. Along with a track of where you've been.06:21
l7ah gps logging06:22
penguinbaitI prefer my garmin handheld, but perhaps the 81006:22
l7well i guess with the garmin, you only need to bring one gadget on your hiking trip06:23
GeneralAntillesGarmin ain't got no aerial photography. ;)06:23
l7hmm06:23
GeneralAntillesThe bluetooth GPS is nothing06:23
GeneralAntillesJust stuff it in a pocket and forget about it.06:23
l7don't some GPS units have a hiking mode?06:23
astro76l7, some are smaller than a cigarette lighter like the m1200 http://www.semsons.com/homblgpsrewi.html06:23
astro76they're all tiny06:23
Luriagarmins are ipx7 which is handy06:24
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.semsons.com/i757prosobtd.html06:24
l7astro76: ah neat06:24
GeneralAntillesThat's the one you want for outdoors06:24
penguinbaitthey definetly handle abuse much better06:24
l7how do you manage charging for all the various gadgets?06:24
l7a one size fits all charger would be ideal06:25
GeneralAntillesiGo with a bunch of tips06:25
penguinbaitsolar backpack06:25
GeneralAntillesBought an OtterBox for my N80006:25
Luriaor rollout panel06:25
penguinbaithttp://www.voltaicsystems.com/bag_backpack.shtml06:26
l7hmm i guess the slide out keyboard is the only real advantage of the n810 then06:26
GeneralAntilles$250. >_>06:26
l7if you can get a small gps reciever under $10006:26
GeneralAntillestransflective screen06:27
GeneralAntilleswhich is nice for outdoors06:27
ds3GaneralAntilles: have you tested out the box with the 800 in there? (run it over, submerge it, etc)?06:27
GeneralAntillesRun it over . . .06:27
GeneralAntillesNo.06:27
l7plus i'm not too enthused about the idea of picking up a n810 before all the third party apps have caught up06:27
GeneralAntillessubmerging was fine.06:27
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|Rhttp://www.powerenz.com/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=2806:27
l7is the a good gameboy / GBA emulator for the n800?06:27
|Rif you want a full energy kit :)06:27
GeneralAntilles$55006:28
GeneralAntillesYou folks have way too much cash on hand.06:28
|Ryeah but i'm guessing you can pick and match for a lot less06:28
penguinbaitlast I tried it crawled, GBA EMU that is06:28
|Rhaha :)06:28
penguinbaitGBA is like 50$ get a SD cart for another 5006:28
|Rjust the battery would be a better idea than a solar anything for a start..06:29
penguinbaitused anyway06:29
GeneralAntillesds3, it's the 3600 PDA case, which isn't really run-overable06:29
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l7penguinbait: it's more about gadget reduction :)06:29
|Rthere is no real solar back pack that seems to be worth it as of now06:29
l7i guess a gameboy emulator might be enough06:29
ds3GeneralAntilles: oh.. thought all those cases are rated for running over with a truck06:29
|Rthey all look like crappy chinese gadgets06:29
penguinbaitI hear ya, but they are so cheap and small, and work so well06:30
GeneralAntillesProbably you could, but as the touchscreen isn't behind hard plastic . . . I'm not interested in trying.06:30
penguinbaitmy kids all have DS with SD carts06:30
GeneralAntillesMy N800 is never going to be in a situation where it's going to be at risk of being run over06:30
GeneralAntillesso I'm not worried about it.06:30
|RAnyone field tested OLSRd (Mesh Network) with the n800 or others?06:31
ds3|R: cheaper version - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SC1000&cat=CON + the right nokia cable all for sub $2006:31
|Rds3 : hehe ;)06:31
|Rds3 : but i don't plan on only running the n800, i want a complete output setup :)06:32
ds3|R: I got it but it has been getting too foggy to try it out with the 770 I have06:32
ds3|R: that has multiple tips06:32
|RTrying to be completely off-grid, communication wise.. :)06:32
|R(a dream project for some reason, i really want the mesh architecture to be the one we use daily ;)06:32
ds3|R: what else are you wanting to run on it? Been thinking of doing that06:32
|Rhttp://guerillartivism.net/node/2406:33
|Ri've been gathering crazy ideas on this page06:33
|RI'd like to have all mesh device send sensors data on a social p2p network of friends (over secure protocols like I2P) etc..06:33
ds3ah, much more ambitious06:34
|R(yeah, i said it's a crazy dream now, but i've seen so many parts of this puzzle pop up this year that i'm thinking we're not far off ;)06:34
ds3I was just thinking of a micro datacenter running in the middle of nowhere and being able to be setup in minutes06:34
|RI don't plan on reinventing the wheel, so i've been looking around for software and hardware that could be plugged together06:34
l7ds3: wow that charger looks like a nice deal for $1406:34
|Rds3 : that would rock :)06:34
l7if you could mount it on a backpack, even better...06:34
|Rlet's do that at burning man and crack rc5 haha ;)06:34
ds3l7: so far there has been one drawback... the 5V output is really about 6V unloaded06:35
ds3|R: heh... I donno about during burning man but I was thinking of the blackrock desert at some other time06:35
l7ds3: hmm, could that damage your hardware?06:35
|Ror defcon, another desert haha06:35
ds3l7: donno, I built a voltage dropping cable06:36
|Ri acutally read snowcrash by stephenson and cyborg by Steve Mann a bit too seriously ;)06:36
ds3I need to get the public access side of my blogs/rants done...been doing a write up on that06:36
ds3on that sort of stuff at least but right now it is intranet only06:36
|RI'd be interested to follow :)06:37
|Rif you do have a blog let me know, i'll add your rss feed to our site06:37
ds3|R: it is not public yet, got to secure the webserver first06:37
|Rk06:37
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ds3found other useful stuff... like the a place clearancing out the 4 cell version of the energizer energi-to-go stuff06:38
|Rhttp://www.totalworlddomination.org/guerilla-bp.png06:38
|Ra bit too much of smart mob reading too ;)06:38
ds3too bad it came with an ipod tip, not a simple 5V source06:38
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ds3but for $6.99, I get the charger + tip + 4 Li AA batteries... I think that is a good deal (4 AA's normally go for $9.99)06:38
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|Ryep :)06:39
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ds3just need to confirm the iGo tips will work with it and let me go down to 5V (iPod apparently wants 7V ish)06:39
ds34 cells in a series -> 6V so it would need to be a buck/boost setup06:40
|Rdoes this battery charger really fully charges battery in < 6h ?06:40
|R(from 10 to 16h ?)06:41
l7re06:41
l7ah snowcrash06:41
|Rhehe06:41
ds3'this' what is this charger you are talking about?06:42
|Rsnowcrash + smartmob + cyborg + Code and other law of cyberspace + wealth of networks = Crazy revolutionary anarchist ideas ;)06:42
l7that reminds me i've been meaning to start on cryptonomicon06:42
|Rds3 : the one you posted above06:42
l7heh yeah06:42
ds3oh that06:42
l7i need to finish wealth of networks too06:43
ds3donno, claims 300mA max output so 6hour charge is iffy for decent sized batteries06:43
|Rl7 : a bit long but very interesting (even though i won't remember a thing haha ;)06:43
l7|R: i just remember the language reminC[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cded me of school readings :)06:44
|Reheh very academic indeed ;)06:44
|RSmartMob really got me into all this...06:45
|Ri was thinking of portable mesh device with video/sound/gps/temperature/name it sensors... with social-secure-p2p nets where you approve to who/where you data goes... all this through I2P so it's untracable but also to interface with a backend datacenter so you can map the whole crowd in different way06:46
|Rlet's say map for sound, and you see where the noise is... in a manifestation this could be fun to react more rapidly than the police ;)06:46
|RIt sounds a bit military ... but i don't think we're far off, all the geo location is done, meta-tagging of sensors has some frameworks floating around, mesh is working from what i can see...06:47
|RI2P too, etc... We only need a nice social net overlay with groups (datacenter/analysis/visualisation) support :)06:47
|RBut then again, i'm dreaming completely and nobody we'll run all this unless it's completely seemless/integrated/deployed...06:48
|RLet's kill the carrier first ;)06:48
l7somes like some crazy ghost in the shell type hardware06:49
l7sounds06:49
|Rhehe maybe..06:49
|Rbut it's alive and real (almost, just need a bit more integration ;)06:49
l7i'l be happy if i can just figure out whether to buy the n810 or n800... :\06:49
|Rhehe how come?06:49
l7well i don't know which one to get really06:49
|Rbecause if the miniSD i think the n810 is a bit of a turnoff with only 1 card :|06:50
|Rand the camera is fixed...06:50
l7i guess the n800 is a better deal now with a gps reciever and external keyboard06:50
|R(but yes you don't have to carry a lighter sized GPS ...)06:50
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|Rthe on screen thumb keyboard isn't so bad either06:50
|Rfor quick typing i really don't care about hardware slide out kbd and for long typing i want a real kbd (but that's just me ;)06:51
* |R is waiting for 32GB SDHC cards in 2 months ...06:51
l7hmm, yeah06:51
l7not having buttons on the outside of the unit seems bad too06:51
|Ryeah, form factor is nicer though but oh well..06:51
l7the kickstand + slideout feature needs some redesign i think06:51
|Rnever tried an n810 though..06:52
|Rso maybe i'm all biased ;)06:52
l7heh yeah06:52
|Ra 2nd friend of mine just bougth an n800 + kbd + 8gb today06:52
l7hmm i guess the n810 will come down in price soon anyway when they release the next IT06:53
|Rwait for release to decide, but i doubt it'll be below 400 for a while06:53
l7nice, how much did he pay for all of it?06:53
l7nokia is releasing the wimax n800 next year i heard06:53
|R378 canadian for card + n800... kbd will be 56+shipping more06:53
|R378(all included, tx+ship)06:54
l7only 56 for the keyboard?06:54
|Rhttp://www.expansys.ca/p.aspx?i=15008006:54
l7which card and keyboard did he get?06:54
|Rthe dell one is the same as thinkOutside/iGo but less expensive ;006:54
l7ah nice06:55
l7just rebranded?06:55
|Ri m not sure what he got in the end... either ocz in stock but more expensive or patriot out of stock but less expensive hehe06:55
|Ryep06:55
l7so the 8gb card was about $100?06:57
l7i'm wondering if i should just pick the cheapest 8gb i can find06:57
|Rless06:57
|Ryeah06:57
l7http://www.nextag.com/Kingston-Technology-8-GB-540629095/prices-html?nxtg=46d20a240532-42009520D9A0EAAB06:57
|Rat 44 it's a steal!06:58
l7$45 after $15 rebate for 8gb06:58
|R(but class 4, but i don't think we care ;)06:58
l7oh, that's too slow?06:58
|Rno, i don't think, not for the n80006:58
ol_schoolano but your PC's card reader could take advantae of it06:59
ol_schoolabut no, class 4 is fine for the 80007:00
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|Ryou should be fine unless you change your mp3 collection every day :P07:00
l7i wonder if the n800 would be faster with class 607:00
l7but yeah i want to save money for other things like the gps reciever :)07:00
TrueJournalsI need some help...07:01
|Rthere was a 62$ class 6 8GB card on ITT today i think07:01
|Rbut still, at 45, if you trust mail-in, it's worth it i'd say07:02
TrueJournalsI installed resetwlan, which seems to have screwed up my sudoers file07:02
|Rseriously?07:02
l7$62 seems like a good deal too for class 5607:02
l7er class 607:02
|RTrueJournals : how ?07:03
|Ryou mean adding lines for mount rmmod insmod wlancond etc ?07:03
TrueJournalsNow i can't sudo gainroot to get into root, it just asks for a password (I never set a password for user)07:03
ol_schoolatranscend, 62 usd, Hitech Market via Amazon07:03
|RTrueJournals : let me try, i jsut installed it07:03
Luria32gb is going to be a fortune07:04
TrueJournalsSorry i'm a bit slow...   i'm typing from n77007:04
Luriai remember the initial list for 16gb sd was 1600 or something nuts07:04
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|RTrueJournals : still works here07:04
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ol_schooladoes anyone know if the 800's external sd slot is SDIO capable07:04
|Rsudo su -07:05
TrueJournalsi have no luck with that either07:05
Luriai dunno about sdio, but most sdio cards are long and wouldnt fit07:05
|Rn800 though here07:05
Luriai guess thats why i never looked into it07:05
|RTrueJournals : but ssh works?07:05
TrueJournalswell..  that's the problem07:06
|RLuria : now 16GB go for 145 :)07:06
ol_schoolaif it was long, i wouldn't care. trying to find a way to pump an ntsc video signal >into< this thing07:06
Luriastill too pricey :-)07:06
TrueJournalsi don't have a ssh server installed07:06
ol_schoolaUSB host mode is still no go, right?07:06
|RTrueJournals : uh oh07:07
l7does the n800 also have bluetooth headphone support?07:07
|RTrueJournals : rebooting didn't fix it?07:07
l7just saw http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=92421#post9242107:07
|Rl7 : it should in OS2008 from what i can gather07:07
ol_schoolal7, yes, native to Kagu07:07
TrueJournalsand i can't install one because app manager won't start because of messed up sudoers07:07
|Roh wait07:07
|Ryou mean HSP or A2DP ?07:07
TrueJournalsno, rebooting didn't fix07:07
l7ah cool07:07
l7well another point in the n800's favor07:08
|Rthey'll run the same OS07:08
* timeless frowns07:08
astro76yeah I just got a transcend 8gb, newegg has it for ~62 shipped07:08
astro76http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682020829307:08
TrueJournalsam i just screwed and i'll have to reflash?07:08
ol_schoolaastro76:  mine is in transit07:09
ol_schoolaand the GPS, and the su3107:09
|RTrueJournals : urhm urhm...07:09
astro76l7, have you considered $230 versus $500 ? ;)07:09
|RTrueJournals : can't you install ssh through the application manager?07:09
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|Rastro76 hehe07:09
TrueJournalsnope....07:09
|Rwhy not ? it dies with an error ?07:10
TrueJournalssudoers messed up prevents app manager from starting07:10
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|Rargh07:10
l7astro76: yeah $300 buys a lot of extra stuff07:10
TrueJournalsit shows loading for a bit...  then...  nothing07:10
|Rany ideas for an exploit? :P07:10
l78gb card, bluetooth keyboard... gps...07:10
|Rsudo vim ?07:10
astro76l7, another 8gb card ;)07:11
|Rsudo anything that could give you access to root read/write ?07:11
l7some of kind of universal charger07:11
l7astro76: heh07:11
l7maybe i should just get a 16gb07:11
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TrueJournalsvim and nano don't work07:12
Luriano vim?07:12
|Rneither just vi ?07:12
Luriathats the end of the world07:12
|Rhaha agreed07:12
Luriaperhaps a cursed ncurses07:12
TrueJournalsafaik...  the only things that work are what resetwlan added07:12
|Rwhich would be... ?07:12
|Rinsmod etc ?07:13
TrueJournalsvi doesn't work07:13
Luriado any full screen cli apps work?07:13
TrueJournalslike ...?07:13
|Rdid you have a sudoers line for anything ?07:14
|Ruser ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL07:14
TrueJournalswell, resetwlan changes permissions on sudoers, so i can't check contents07:15
|Roh uh07:16
|Ractually you shouldnt be able to check damn07:16
|Rr--r-----07:16
TrueJournalshmmm...  resetwlan adds a line for its executable...  maybe i can hijack that07:16
TrueJournalsbrb07:16
|Rsudo chmod ?07:16
Luriai used to use ssh localhost when i was too lazy to edit sudoers after a flash07:17
|Rcheck with filemanager07:17
|Ri don't know if it has root privs07:17
|Rif you ln -s / ~/MyDocs/root07:17
|Rmaybe you can screw things up (i doubt it though)07:17
TrueJournalsah,reading that file wrong....07:18
TrueJournalstried sudo chmod07:18
|Rk :/07:18
|Rif you have access to any boot scripts07:18
|Ror anything that get's executed by root ... (trying to think of something which shouldnt be there... :P)07:19
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TrueJournalswell...  i gotta go07:23
TrueJournalsthanks for the help07:24
TrueJournalsguess i'll just reflash tomorrow07:24
TrueJournalsthanks again07:24
|Rhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPhone-8GB-AT-T-MYSTERY-AUCTION_W0QQitemZ130171909089QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64355QQcmdZViewItem07:24
|Rthat is seriously weird07:24
|RTrueJournals : good luck :)07:24
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rubikshello07:44
_Monkeyhello, rubiks07:44
rubikshi07:44
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Luriais that mauku party over?07:45
Luriawas hoping to score an invite.07:46
rubiks?07:46
Luriasee itt07:47
timelessmauku?07:47
Luriaits a finnish micro blog app07:47
Luriayeah07:47
Luriasigh. i wish i could right click in rdesktop07:48
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Luriai still dont get the n810, but whatever07:50
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unique311__luria need an invite?07:53
Luriayeah please07:53
unique311__jaiku to me seems like irc....but slow in response time....07:55
Luriai know, but i curious07:56
Luriathanks so much07:56
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unique311__am i reading this right....  Free calls within the US and Canada to all phones until the end of the year. Get calling.08:18
unique311__reading this on my skype account settings08:18
unique311__first line...08:18
unique311__do they mean the end of 0708:18
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unique311__anyone else seeing this message in account settings08:19
|Rthe new theme on ITT is uhm, "special"08:25
|Rhaha jaiku seems like yahoo chat 1993 style all over again....08:26
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czrhmm. did yahoo even exist in 93?08:33
czr" started their guide in a campus trailer in February 1994"08:34
czrnope :-)08:34
timelesssp3000: Bug 2242 has been added to the database08:38
_MonkeyBug 2242 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224208:38
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|Rczr : ok 1995 then ;)08:45
|R( i was young ;)08:45
|Ri was browsing before we got mouses to do so to early i guess hehe :P08:45
|Rtoo08:45
* czr is still young08:46
czrself-deception is the bestest!08:46
|Rif you is < 30... yeah me too ;)08:46
|Ryou = young08:46
|Rhaha ;)08:46
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|Ranyone has a "ROM" repository for scummVM?08:49
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lopzbye08:55
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timelessWTF09:17
unique311__not sure09:18
|R? :)09:18
unique311__whats wrong timeless?09:19
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* fysabye test09:34
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timelessok, i'm looking for final reviewers10:11
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/9/index.txt10:11
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/9/index.html10:11
timelessthe announcement's going up in less than an hour :)10:11
timelessi'm about to move around the blocks10:11
timelessbut i need people to look for obvious problems10:12
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X-Fade_timeless: You like long documents, eh? :)10:15
timelessno10:15
X-Fade_What do you need reviewed?10:16
timelesseverything10:17
_Monkeyeverything is executable too10:17
timeless_monkey forget everything10:17
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot everything10:17
timeless_monkey everything is <reply>10:17
_MonkeyOK, timeless.10:17
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timelesslook for bad English, unclear thoughts, random html errors (they'd generally be bad a href's, or bold/italic in strange places)10:17
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timelessi'm reordering the lines into sections now10:18
* czr likes "Removed unused code (note to self: try to figure out what this means)"10:18
timelessi think i'll drop that now :)10:19
X-Fade_timeless: Maybe move more developper related info to a different part or file?10:19
X-Fade_Or isn't this intended for end-users?10:19
tigerttimeless: bad english, in your text? unpossible!! :)10:19
timelessi'm working on regrouping things10:20
timelesspackaging will go long after user interface10:20
timelesstigert: i've been up for 3 days fighting this10:20
dolsketimeless: I assume you've done spell checking, and are just looking for any egregious violations of english grammar?10:21
timelessdolske: don't assume that10:21
timelessi'm using the typoing keyboard10:21
timelessand i've had many sleepless nights trying to get this right10:22
czrtimeless, looks pretty decent to me. much better than most other maemo-related stuff10:22
timelessczr: you're the wrong audience right now10:22
czrinfact, I think it's the most detailed page on anything relating to IT/maemo.10:22
timelessi'm looking for critics10:22
X-Fade_timeless: Did https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1671 get fixed?10:22
timelessilll take praise in an hour10:22
czrwhich hat should I be wearing?10:22
dolsketimeless: so, then, I suggest running though a spellchecker just in case. :)10:23
czrtimeless, what is the intended audience for the page then?10:23
timelessdolske: sorry, i'm working on reorgs, can you just tell me what i've typoed?10:23
timelessczr: people who will read the release announcement10:23
timelesswhich is obviously happening at the hour10:23
timeless35mins10:23
czrah. definitely should split all the details to some other page10:23
timelessno time for that10:24
timelessi'll group them10:24
timelessi /might/ drop all the editor's notes10:24
timelesshaven't decided10:24
czryou probably should10:24
timelessi might version it so the orignal .txt has them but the published one doesn't10:24
* czr nods10:24
czrhmm. will microb be installable easily into the x86-sdk part?10:25
czr(useable)10:25
timelesspresumably, but i don't know / care10:26
czrright.10:26
timelessok10:27
timelessi want a section header for Web2/Google10:27
dolsketimeless: "exensions" (extensions)10:27
timelessshould i just call it Google WEb Applications10:27
czr" Unfortunately the localizers are not familiar with localizing XML text and consistent... ". you might want to reconsider assigning blame on others :-)10:27
czrdon't know what the policy in your case is for public documents though.10:27
timelessdolske: .10:27
timelessczr: remind me in 20mins10:28
czrI'll try to remember10:28
timelessor come up w/ a better way to write tha blovb10:28
* czr doesn't care10:28
czr:-)10:28
timelesssince i won't have time to do much more than drop it10:28
timelessi tried to claim official blame while explaining it's not our faul10:28
timelessthat was my goal as i wrote it10:29
* czr nods10:29
czrbeing honest doesn't hurt. however, I don't know how well that fits the official policy.10:29
timelessok, i need a google section header i think10:29
dolsketimeless: "texarea" (textarea)10:29
timelessdolske: .10:29
timelessthis keyboard reeally sucks10:29
timelesshow about:10:30
timeless-Google Style Applications-?10:30
timelessto cover things that some people would call "AJAX"10:30
dolskeThose were the only two spelling mistakes the OS X spellchecker found (other than it being stupid about "nokia", "microb", "maemo", etc :)10:30
timelessbut which aren't (designMode, mouseevents,...)10:30
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czrgoogle style applications to me means some apps made by google that have to do with style (what, I do not know)10:31
timelessyeah, i'm reaching, help help :)10:31
czrGoogle-like Web applications?10:32
czror smt like that.10:32
czralthough using google in that context isn't really productive. hmm.10:32
timelessstephend would give you points for proper use of hyphen10:32
timelessthat's one thing i didn't use properly (i believe i corrected the two instances stephend found)10:32
czra lot of the list entries are missing the dot at the end of sentences10:33
czralthough, a lot of the entries are not proper sentences anyway :-)10:33
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KhertanHi !10:34
czrbut I don't think that's the main issue (shouldn't probably bother about it)10:34
timelessyeah, that's a problem it's way too late to fix10:34
czrtimeless, sed Maemo/maemo10:34
czrsed debian/Debian10:34
timeless.. .10:35
timelessthanks10:35
czrcheck for mozilla in lowercase too.10:35
czr"great pain if you try to run your own mozilla on the platform.) "10:35
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timelesswhere's that?10:36
czr(that's the only instance)10:36
timelessdarn, that's at the beginning of a line10:36
timeless.10:36
czrpackaging and building, last entry10:36
timelessyeah got it10:36
czrah, that's inside an editor note10:36
timelessproblem is, you're working from html10:36
timelessi'm working from text10:36
* czr nods10:36
timelessi tried case search for " mozilla"10:36
timelesswhich failed10:37
* timeless switched from VI to notepad10:37
czrI exactly what you mean btw :-)10:37
czrI have the same issue many times when fixing typos based on other peoples' input.10:37
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timeless* !! Fixed restore plug-ins state if the browser crashes at low memory. !!10:37
timeless(Editor's note: There's no bug reference in the changelog,10:37
timelessI can't determine what this means)10:37
* timeless needs to do something about that one10:38
czromit it if you can't come up with anything sane10:38
czryou can add it later10:38
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* czr likes the picture :-)10:39
timelessthanks :)10:39
* timeless can't find the string in the changelogs...10:40
czryou have some lines which don't start capitalized10:40
czrmight want to check them through (not the ones that start with component names, but proper english ones)10:40
czr"added libnspr package"10:41
czr"tapping an input field "10:41
timelessi need to figure out if it's VKB or vkb (similarly for the others)10:41
czrI use capitalized VKB10:42
czr"^link navigation should be " (inside a href)10:42
timelessoh, minor concern10:42
czrthat's it for the capital thingies10:42
timelesswhich is why i didn't fix vkb10:42
* czr nods10:42
timelessthose links are based on bug titles10:42
czrah10:42
timelessdo we care?10:42
czrI don't. I told you already :-)10:43
timelessi'm fine w/ uppercase10:43
czrwell, I use capital letters, since it's an acronym anyway10:43
timelessdone10:44
czrtimeless, I need to continue doing real work(tm), good luck :-)10:44
czrand congrats on the soon-release :-)10:44
czrbtw. you might want to replace the links to the bugs so that they're something like this (Bug: <href goes here>).10:45
czrnow it's not always clear whether a link points to a bug-report or somewhere else.10:45
timelesshrm10:46
czrbut that's up to you of course. imho increases readability a lot.10:46
timelessi think my style was bug links were always at the very end of an item10:47
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timelessother links would always be a few words inside the item10:47
timelessnot sure if tha's held for the 3 weeks i've worked on this10:47
czrhmm. that wasn't clear to me, but now that you mention it, yes :-)10:47
timelesscool. wontfix10:47
czrimho I still think it would be better ;-)10:48
czrWILL_COMPLAIN!10:48
czrbut if you're under a deadline, I wouldn't bother.10:48
timeless5mins10:49
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rothielHi :)11:04
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dolskeOoooh.... pretty.... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/11:04
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L0cutusbuondi'11:06
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:10
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timelessok, thanks all11:18
timelesshttp://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/9/11:18
Jaffap.m.o down?11:19
JaffaMorning, all11:19
X-Fade_Jaffa: There is some work done on the server..11:20
JaffaTsk, I need my news fix :)11:20
unit42maemo.org seems also having problems. Garage works.11:20
X-Fade_unit42: maemo.org is same server. Garage is a different one.11:21
unit42timeless: r0x0r11:21
unit42ACK11:21
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floriangood morning11:44
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workingplayyamoin11:55
workingplayyaisn't the -exec include in find for busybox?11:56
workingplayyactime and atime is also missing11:56
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rothielhi :)11:57
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GubbeWhy. Does. This. Not. Work!12:13
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GubbeI've created a new ConIcConnection* and initialized it with con_ic_connection_new(). I've set its "automatic-connection-events" property to TRUE and used g_signal_connect to register a signal handler for its "connection-event".12:14
GubbeThe g_signal_connect returns a proper handle, but the function I've specified never gets called.12:15
Gubbehandler function, that is12:15
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GubbeWhat have I forgotten to initialize? What do I need to unblock or define?12:17
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onionGubbe: have you requested a connection ?12:33
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KhertanHow can i launch an python script for the task navigator menu with root priveledge ?12:39
Khertanrothiel > bonjour :)12:40
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workingplayyawhat do you wanna do Khertan12:46
Khertani ve a python script witch need to be root to use some bluetooth things12:47
Khertanand i want to be able to launch this script with a .desktop file12:47
Khertandoes a run-standalone.sh give the right suid ?12:48
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L0cutussomeone can put somewhere the 9Mb (if i remember correctly) video presentation that comes with n800 ?12:53
L0cutusi've lost it...12:53
Khertansorry don't have it. But you can retrieve it by flashing an n80012:53
L0cutushum12:54
Khertanelse : http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=44328112:56
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Gubbeonion: Sorry, had a break there. Yeah, I've tried using con_ic_connection_connect((connection),CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_NONE); but it doesn't seem to help either.13:05
GubbeJust to be clear, even if I hadn't requested a connection, wouldn't I still get those signals? I don't recall seeing clear documentation regarding the conditions required for getting those signals.13:07
rothielKhertan > salut :)13:12
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Gubbehm. Perhaps I should try to restate the question: What "binds" a particular ConIcConnection instance to the (dis)connect signals coming from the system? Simply constructing a ConIcConnection with con_ic_connection_new()? Connecting the signal to that instance? When does the "system" get told what objects it needs to notify when the connection status changes?13:35
trulsanyone playing with the beta japanese input of maemocjk? trying to figure out why it never replaces the normal keyboard despite reboots13:36
derfI'm using a really old version of maemocjk.13:44
derfIt replaces the keyboard just fine.13:44
trulshm, guess i'll just revert to that one13:52
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lardmanmorning13:52
_Monkeyaloha13:52
trulswas really hoping to play with tomoe for kanji handwriting recognition13:53
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workingplayyakanji handwriting is very hard13:55
workingplayyado you have to write every kanji with one line truls ?13:55
trulsone line?13:57
trulsi know how writing kanji works, if that's what you mean13:57
trulsi suck at remembering kanji, but if i need to look one up, i usually get the stroke order right on my nintendo ds dictionary13:59
trulsbut i would love to get it working with gjiten or something14:00
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rothiel'jour all14:02
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workingplayyatruls: no. i meant writing on a pda or sth14:11
workingplayyathere you have to write every letter with on line14:12
workingplayyait is so in romaji14:12
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trulsworkingplayya: eh? isnt that why you have multiple input fields?14:12
workingplayyanever used it14:13
trulsack14:13
workingplayyakanji is to hard14:13
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trulswriting kanji with a single stroke wouldn't make sense14:14
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workingplayyayes14:15
workingplayyabut looks like a picture from the kindergarden14:15
workingplayyachildhood14:15
trulsah, sorry, i thought you made sense14:16
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alteregotimeless, looks like you could use your own planet maemo from the length of that blog post :P14:24
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rothielHi alterego & timeless14:25
alteregoHello rothiel14:26
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* fysabye test14:46
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ormenhey15:08
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Takhmm, is http://pastie.textmate.org/115869 too long for an example?15:27
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JaffaTak: not really - depends what it's demoing, and if there're any others16:00
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greedo__i installed chinook beta sdk but it seems it lacks a lot of packages16:11
greedo__is there another repository that should be used ?16:11
greedo__(i asked yesterday but then forgot to read the answers :) sorry )16:11
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alteregogreedo__, you need to install the sdk meta package.16:13
alteregogreedo__, did you use the installation script?16:14
greedo__yes16:14
greedo__seems to be installed16:14
alteregoWell, do it again and make sure you've selected the install with development packages.16:14
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Takit's a 'hello world'16:21
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lardmanooh, exciting, the N810 is making its way through the distribution channels :)16:27
* lardman wonders when it will be available at Nokia online and when the dev discounts will be decided?16:28
shackanis os2008 out yet?16:28
dpb_no16:28
lardmanno16:28
shackan:(16:28
greedo__and is there another chinook release planned before the launch of the os ?16:31
FMzSpeaking of n Series and distribution... my n800 is on the truck for delivery.  Also:  http://xkcd.com/340/16:32
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lardmangreedo__: I think there's been a final release of the SDK today16:32
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lardmanhttp://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html16:33
greedo__oh!16:34
Takalterego: comments?16:35
alteregoTak, ?16:35
_MonkeyTak, are you going to make a console vkb?-)16:35
Takhttp://pastie.textmate.org/11586916:36
alteregoThanks16:36
Tak?16:37
lardman_Monkey: forget Tak16:37
_Monkeylardman, I didn't have anything matching tak16:37
lardman_Monkey: forget Tak,16:37
_Monkeylardman: I forgot tak,16:37
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Takgood advice for us all.16:37
lardmanTak: nothing personal of course :)16:37
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alteregoLooks good.16:37
Takcool - I'll email a finalized version16:38
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alterego:)16:39
greedo__hmm16:41
greedo__launching installer script for the 4.0 chinook sdk: E: Dialog not found in default path.16:41
greedo__ah found :)16:42
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alteregoHmm .. I should probably update then.16:43
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alteregosudo?17:07
_Monkeyit has been said that sudo is supposed to do that.  this is the difference in running as root and running from within a shell run as root  :)17:07
alteregoscratchbox doesn't have sudo.17:07
alteregoAnyone fancy notifying the nokians about their installation instructions being broken?17:08
greedo__thx lardman for pointing the release :)17:08
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alteregonvm, I'll post a mail on the mailing list.17:08
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GeneralAntillesNow where's mah firmware image? :(17:10
alterego:)17:10
alteregoI probably should have submitted a bug report, as it would have increased my karma ;)17:12
sp3000add irc log line counts :P17:13
alteregoI'm not too fussed about karma really.17:13
sp3000(and17:13
sp3000remember17:13
alteregoAs long as I feel I'm doing a good job.17:13
sp3000to17:13
sp3000use17:13
sp3000linefeeds17:13
sp3000)17:13
sp3000:)17:13
alteregoMy karma shot up last night.17:13
alteregoI'm not on the 4th page17:14
alteregoone below Karoliina :)17:14
sp3000 Your search - karma - did not match any documents.17:14
lardmanmine appears to have remained static despite a bug report and mailing list posts17:14
alteregolardman, I think they get updated every night.17:15
lardmanyeah, the bug report, etc. were a few days ago17:15
alteregoSo you wont see the results immediately. Also, I don't think mailing list counts yet.17:15
lardmanoh I see, what does "discussion" count then?17:15
alteregoI think that's comments in news/announce maybe?17:15
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alteregoOr comments in the downloads section17:16
lardmanno way, I've got 128 in that so I thought it might be emails17:16
alteregoHeh17:16
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Jaffaalterego: what did you do last night?17:17
Jaffas/last night/yesterday/17:18
infobotJaffa meant: alterego: what did you do yesterday?17:18
alteregoI released ruby-maemo 0.3.017:18
alteregoAnd I've had more people download the project.17:18
alteregodownload/comment/rate17:18
* Jaffa 's karma has gone up, but his position dropped down lower on the second page.17:18
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* lardman is not worrying about it too much as karma is an average of both the past & future, therefore nothing we can do about it ;)17:21
alteregoHah17:21
alteregoAppearantly ruby-maemo has 34 downloads.17:22
alteregoI didn't realise there was _that_ much interest :)17:23
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Jaffalardman: I'm not worried about it too much: page 2 is still quite high17:24
lardmanYou're a MUD guru aren't you Jaffa?17:25
lardmanor am I getting confused17:25
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Jaffalardman: I am teh MUD Meister17:26
lardmangood good17:26
lardmandoes MUD work with a sandbox of sorts - does it actually install deps required to build a given package?17:26
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lardmanI'm thinking of the comment on the list about having lots of things installed and therefore not being quite sure whether all the deps are listed in the .deb/recipe/etc17:27
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Jaffalardman: indeed, that's a good point. It does install deps required to build a given package, but there should be some thought given on how to make that rollbackable. Graham's using MUD to do his GPE building, so his recipe should be reusable (hopefully)17:30
lardmanah, I was wondering if he was using that or OE17:30
JaffaNo, he's using MUD17:31
lardmanit's probably not such a big thing - someone will notice it pretty quickly and complain/file a bug, then it can be fixed17:31
Takuhh...https://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2007/fceu17:31
JaffaYeah, with critical mass it's less important. But until that point it's quite handy.17:32
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lardmanJaffa: I should update my MUD metadata, I've been cursing lately needing to rebuild lots of mathematical libs which I've done before (and forgotten how)17:33
Takdoes the apt in SDK support 'autoremove' ?  If so, rollback should be trivial17:33
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alteregoHah, flite is hilarious.17:34
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Takhmm, what part of the profile is linked to downloads catalog?  "Products" ?17:34
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lopzhola17:35
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JaffaTak: I don't think it does, because Marius(?) was talking about implementing his own-style of thing in libapt for the Application Manager17:37
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lardmananyone know how large a tex install is on maemo?17:38
lardmanor should that be latex?17:38
lardmanwhatever it is that can turn tex strings into dvi then into pngs17:39
Takah, ok17:39
lardmangreedo__: has your install finished?17:41
greedo__yes17:43
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lardmando you know if latex is included?17:45
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lardmanso many debian packages fail doing making documentation, it's a real pita17:45
greedo__tetex-bin - The teTeX binary files17:45
greedo__tetex-base - Basic library files of teTeX17:45
greedo__tetex-extra - Additional library files of teTeX17:45
greedo__says apt-cache search17:45
alteregoAnyone know how I can make ruby-maemo show up for OS2008 and OS2007 in the downloads section?17:46
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lardmangreedo__: thanks, there's hope at least, I'll have to install it and try17:46
lardmankoen: hi, how are you?17:46
greedo__also there's http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/3.2_vs_4.0_content_comparison.html17:47
lardmangreedo__: thanks17:47
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Takit already shows up for 200717:49
Takunless we're talking about something different17:49
alteregoI know, but it doesn't show up for OS200817:50
alteregoWhich is what I want.17:50
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JaffaOooh, exciting email from Nokia.18:22
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JaffaDevice programme emails seem to be going out :)18:22
TakI guess they want to head off the flood of anticipatory wheel-spinning from the last time18:23
keesjthat is really an amaizing strategy , have things done before they are planned18:23
TakWalk before you crawl! Run before you walk! Fly before you...18:24
keesjthat does not sound good. Fly does not rime with week-end or get stonned/drunk18:25
keesjI only have the week-end :(18:25
JaffaNow all I need is a promotion and this'll be a good month :-)18:26
* Tak promote Jaffa to MUD superguru18:27
JaffaI don't get a company car that way, tho'18:28
zoranTak gonna give it to you, in digital form18:29
JaffaBesides there's a good MUD *team* now :)18:29
|Rnokia's n810 maemo device program are comming in!18:29
abyep, got one :-)18:30
* Jaffa now wants a device.18:30
disqyes, they're coming in18:30
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|Rsame here :)18:31
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Sho_got one too :)18:35
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|RSho_ : it's 99E is that it ?18:41
|Ri wish it was 99$ USD at this point (being from .ca haha ;)18:41
sxpert-work|R: haha18:41
Sho_|R: I haven't gotten details yet ("We will send your discount and instructions as soon as the device is available in your selected shop (soon)."), but in the device program announcement it said 99€, yup18:41
Tak|R: no different being from .us in that respect18:41
sxpert-workyippie... been selected too ;-)18:42
|R:)18:42
sxpert-workthanks whoever :-)18:42
* jott also cheers18:42
lardmandid anyone else's post have loads of pseudo html gobbledegook at the start?18:42
Sho_not mine18:43
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lardmanlol, it's a function trace18:44
Taknope18:44
lardmananyone from Nokia on here who might want to see that the trace?18:44
Takthere's a stack trace in the middle of the fceu page on downloads, though :-)18:44
|Rhaha18:45
Takspeaking of stack traces, I just got:  "ImageMagick: Image does not contain a geometry"18:46
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maddlerSho_: is your mail full of php errors?18:50
maddlermine was classified as junk because of that...18:51
maddler:)18:51
|Rare the 8GB miniSD cards out yet ?18:52
Takhm - is minisd hardware-back-compatible with rs-mmc?18:52
[31d1]dammit opera18:52
|Rhaha we are all wondering about n810 eh ;)18:52
lardmanmaddler: mine was, I just sent it to the webmaster so they know about it18:53
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lardmanand on that happy note I can happily knock off and go to the pub18:54
lardmanhave a nice evening all18:54
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Sho_maddler: no, no PHP or HTML errors19:00
Sho_maddler: Simple plain text with a headline and paragraph of text, that's that :)19:00
* Jaffa 's missus *wants* me to buy a big media card for our holiday at the start of december19:00
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bilboedis the os/2008 firmware for n800 also released ?19:04
maddlerSho_: doh... who kn ows :)19:04
Jaffabilboed: no, the N810's not available to buy yet. Just the codes gone out. Apparently the devices are in the distribution channels, tho19:04
maddlerbilboed: not yet... afaik...19:05
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bilboedJaffa, I never mentionned anything about n810 in my question :)19:05
maddlerit should be released right after N810 is in shops...19:05
bilboedmaddler, ok19:05
bilboeddid maemo.org just die ? :)19:06
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maddlerbilboed: looks so...19:06
maddlerI get a squid error...19:07
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maddlerbilboed: but... i suspect that midgard's errors in my mail and site not being up... are somehow related...19:09
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Jaffabilboed: sorry, I assumed you knew maddler's addendum.19:10
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l7so who's planning to buy then810?19:18
Jitennot me.19:18
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Jitengps + crappy keyboard just isn't worth the price difference with n800 so even if I hadn't bought it yet, I'd get n80019:19
DibblahHeh. Just discovered an interesting device. The eten M700.19:19
DibblahIt's unremarkable apart from the fact it uses almost the same form-factor battery as the N770.19:20
DibblahAnd is 2400mAh as opposed to the 'default' 1300mAh.19:20
Takheh...almost?19:20
DibblahIt's 3mm thicker than the default cell.19:21
Dibblah... But the battery bay in the N770 has 3mm of air behind it :)19:21
l7everything else is unremarkable?19:21
DibblahSo, I now have it in my N770, which appears to be working just fine.19:21
Jitenthat looks like a full blown n810 clone19:22
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DibblahThe batteries are fairly cheap as opposed to the Nokia ones, at least :)19:22
shi11has anyone developed flash 9 apps for the n800?19:22
Jitenexcept that it appears to be a phone too.19:22
l7the oQo has the same form factors as the n810 too19:23
l7form factor19:23
zoranå/c19:23
Jitenand of course, runs windows mobile.19:23
DibblahOf course, I needed to dismantle the existing cell + remantle it so the battery fuel guage works.19:23
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l7bleh, windows mobile = fail19:24
DibblahStill have to do the run-down test.19:24
Takheh - dismantle/reassemble doesn't sound like fun19:25
DRoBeR"Windows *" uses to fail. ;P19:25
DibblahIt's fine - Just needs a knife and a soldering iron.19:25
DibblahAnd plenty of due care and attention.19:25
DibblahIt's amazing how much energy is in a recent cell :)19:25
nomisYay! /me has been accepted for the 810 device program.19:26
l7i heard that the top row of keys in the n810 doesn't have enough clearance :\19:26
l7so your fingers hit bottom of the screen19:27
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DibblahHopefully, this *should* now have about 5 hours of web browsing runtime.19:28
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DibblahIMHO, it looks a little better than http://blog.russnelson.com/images/external-battery/kif_4869.jpg19:31
l7is it possible to try out os2007 or os2008 on your desktop computer?19:33
L0cutusDibblah: did you know if it can run also as a n800 battery ?19:35
zoranthe same L0cutus as on gein.vistech?19:38
L0cutushem i doesn't know gein.**19:39
zorank, the same nick on vms cluster19:39
L0cutusnono19:40
zoran:)19:40
L0cutusi'm Ita :)19:40
zorangein is remote node and accessible via ssh19:41
zorannp19:41
alteregoI is accepted!19:42
alteregoEnded up in my junk folder O_O19:42
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disqok. i demand 4 devices for testing. urgent! (bored)19:50
* czr got only mail with "failure notice" in the subject19:50
czrotoh, I didn't even apply :-)19:50
czrso I guess even that should make me cheerful :-)19:50
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|Rhaha19:52
|R./maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh19:53
|R...19:53
|RCheck for scratchbox sessions running...19:53
|RInconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!19:53
|R...19:53
|RE: You must close your other scratchbox sessions first19:53
|RE: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option.19:53
|Rwth?19:53
_Monkeywth is probably all that19:53
|Rehhe19:53
|R(first time installation, anyone care to comment? ;)19:54
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* DRoBeR is away: Connection reset by beer ^_^19:54
czrconnection reset by deer is better though.19:54
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czrthem evil deerz.19:54
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* tigert enjoys Vagalume a lot20:01
DibblahL0cutus: No idea. It depends if there's space behind the battery bay.20:01
DibblahAnd that the owner of the N800 doesn't care about his warranty.20:01
L0cutushehe20:02
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|Rwtf, no target selected in scratchbox : run sb-menu... sb-menu -> same warning...20:04
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kaltsiR: what's your distro?20:06
|RDebian20:06
|Rlenny/sid (unstable)20:07
kaltsi32/64 bit?20:07
|R3220:07
|Ron a quad core.. kernel 2.6.23.. uhm20:07
kaltsihaven't seen that before20:08
|Rhehe fun :)20:08
kaltsiI wonder what it's trying to run at that time.. gotta check the script20:08
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|Ryeah i'll try some debug20:08
|Rbrb :)20:08
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czrlooks like a library incompatibility thing. a serious one.20:12
czrdon't know whether it's host vs sbox or sbox vs target though.20:12
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czr|R, which arch do you run?20:12
|Rx86 (intel Q6600)20:12
czrah, you answered that already, sry20:12
kaltsithe script is calling /scratchbox/tools/bin/sb-conf list --targets20:13
czr|R, try running ldd from your host against that executable20:13
czrand pastebin the results.20:13
|R>ldd /scratchbox/tools/bin/sb-conf20:14
|R        not a dynamic executable20:14
kaltsiheh20:14
czruhm.20:14
|R:P20:14
czrit's a script? :-)20:14
czrfile /sc... ?20:14
kaltsiit's probably python btw20:14
|Rpython yes20:14
|Rlinks to inthebox20:14
czrtry running python /scratchbox/tools/...20:14
czrah. what's the first line of the script?20:15
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czrrun ldd on that.20:15
|R #!/usr/bin/env python20:15
czrah. so it uses python from your real host20:15
|Ryep, python 2.4..20:15
czrso the problem is not python. it's something that is run from within the script.20:16
|Rshould i get another version?20:16
* |R needs to learn python ;020:16
czrI don't think it's a python problem. ld.so doesn't care about python stuff.20:16
czrit's something that is executed from the python script that fails to run because ld.so cannot process the program.20:16
czr|R, did any of the older versions run?20:17
czron the same setup.20:17
|Ri tried installing for 3.2 but it was failing so i figured i'd wait for 4.020:17
|Rbut everything was removed20:17
kaltsiit's also calling grep20:17
kaltsican you run 'grep' :)20:17
|Rhehe yes :)20:18
kaltsiand wc20:18
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|Ryes, i'm pretty sure all my basic shell comands are functional :|20:19
|RI've been using the machine since june20:19
czr3.2 should work though.20:19
kaltsiit's unstable :D20:19
|Rhehe20:19
czrnever had a problem with 3.2, although I only used with feisty. 4.0beta is fine with gutsy too.20:20
|Rurhm20:20
kaltsiwhat happens if you run that sb-conf in a shell20:20
|Ri have gutsy on a laptop next to me... but the big machine is this one :(20:20
|R>sb-conf20:20
|RInconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!20:20
|RYou dont have active target in scratchbox chroot.20:20
|RPlease create one by running "sb-menu" before continuing20:20
|Rand then 3 more time the line with Inconsistency detected ...20:20
czr|R, you can always use vmware and setup the environment there. that way using the sdk won't depend on the host stuff at all.20:20
czror some other virtualized env.20:21
|Ryeah i guess...20:21
kaltsithe python is calling chroot20:21
czrif you always run ldd on chroot then20:22
czrldd is good because it basically tells the linker to link up all of the program, like it normally would, but instead of starting __start, it will dump the names of the so:s and quit.20:22
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czrso if ldd works, it's pretty likely linking will succeed for a program (barring dynamic runtime linking with dlopen and stuff like that)20:22
|Rhehe LD_PRELOAD! ;)20:23
|Rbut uhm, ldd is fine on chroot20:23
|Rnothing missing no where20:23
czrLD_PRELOAD? you have one set now?20:24
disqcan't run xephyr in vncserver, interesting. segfault20:24
|Rhehe no, i was joking :)20:24
czr|R, ah ok. you got me thinking about things :-)20:25
kaltsidid you try just running python already?20:25
|Ri get the python prompt20:26
kaltsiok20:26
|R>>>1+120:26
|R220:26
|R:P20:26
Cord\o/ N810 maemo submission accepted!20:26
Cord:-)20:26
kaltsiI wonder if strace would be able to tell something, or ltrace20:26
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|Rthey weren't shipping to canada eh?20:26
|Ri said france because i have family there but urhm, it's a pain ;)20:27
Takcanad'eh?20:27
kaltsieh?20:27
|Reh!20:27
|RI'm french speaking actually, but i adapt to the country in english haha ;)20:27
* Tak trying to learn french20:27
|R:)20:27
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|Rhola hexa :)20:28
hexahi , i'm looking for a list of the supported dsp codecs .. anyone would know where to find this ?20:28
hexa|R: hey :)20:28
kaltsivotre scratchbox est merde20:28
|Rkaltsi : haha yep!20:28
kaltsi:P20:29
|Rok, i'll start a thread on ITT, we'll see :|20:29
Takmon scratchbox?!20:29
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|Rfrance version: ma scratchbox est merdique!20:29
kaltsigoogle finds something with your error20:30
|Rquebec version: scratchbox c'est de la marde!20:30
kaltsirelated to scratchbox even20:30
|Roh20:30
kaltsiAccording to Daniel Stone, the kernel needs VDSO compat enabled in order to run Scratchbox.20:30
kaltsiThe Scratchbox runs on older kernel image.20:30
kaltsihttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/8645720:30
|Rif it's just a recompile...20:30
czrkaltsi, sounds about right20:30
kaltsiahh the good old google20:31
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|Rcheers to that :)20:31
czrshould sleep more, should've seen that from the message, bleh.20:31
* |R go looking for a vdso compat option20:31
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Cordhmmm... how do i get my blog on Planet Maemo? This Midgardstuff is driving me nuts.20:31
Takhmm, how do we determine that our scratchbox is feminine? ;-)20:32
czrTak, without sounding sexist?20:33
|RTak : that doesn't make any sens in french, and i was laughting and used feminin for france and masculin for quebec as foreign words get adapted randomly depending on the local culture ;)20:33
czrdifficult :-)20:33
|Reven here... mtl will use more masculine, and quebec city, 200km north, will use feminin more20:33
|Rgo figure20:33
TakI see20:34
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|Rbut... desk -> bureau and table -> table (same) ... you'll have "une table" but "un bureau"20:35
|Rso, well, it's pretty much a historic language thing i guess, that's the hardest thing to learn i guess20:36
* |R guesses a lot20:36
* |R brb -> looking for a VDSO option in the MENU!20:36
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Luriawhats wrong with maemo.org? its slow and often dies.20:54
Luriadid someone release os2008 and not tell me?20:54
unit42http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html - "Today we are releasing the final version of the maemo 4.0 Chinook SDK, containing the full set of OS2008 APIs and some bugfixes from the beta version released on September. As announced previously, Chinook and OS2008 are both fully compatible with the Nokia N810 and N800. Developers should follow the release notes and installation instructions as usual. Check also the content20:55
Luriai didnt think the sdk release would cause such traffic20:56
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Luriathe firmware release will be painful20:57
Luria300k geeks all hitting the site with large pipes all at the same time.20:57
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* ds3 grumbles about OS2008 and N770 :/20:58
unit42Did you participate in the N810 device program?20:59
czrthe server must be a small box.20:59
czrthe same server serves as the primary mx for the mailing lists as well.21:00
czrwhich causes the problems in the ml delivery as well (out of sequence messages and long delays and such)21:00
czrthis was before the sdk release.21:00
czrprobably ml will suffer much more now.21:00
unit42Hmm. Who operates / sponsors the server?21:00
czrunit42, ericsson?21:00
* czr hides and runs.21:00
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czrwho do you think? :-)21:00
unit42Bill G. or may be Steve J. ... :-)21:01
unit42whois states "CiderCone Oy, FI"21:02
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czrah, true.21:03
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unit42http://www.cidercone.com/ ... also active over here in Germany21:05
unit42Dunno them.21:05
czrI always thought that N (directly or indirectly) operated the site and the ml.21:06
* czr shrugs21:06
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tkotimeless: ?? "Opening the VKB for a <textarea> will probably ignore autocapitalization mode and just use lowercase. (Editor's note: this seems to be rocket science, and the APIs involved don't seem to be particularly useful/workable.)"21:10
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X-Fade_tko: you got to love comments like that :)21:11
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tkofirst time I hear it21:12
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tkobut then again, I'm not too familiar with the IM stuff.. just accepting patches21:13
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Luriayou know, i just thought of something.  the n810's gps better be really good, otherwise in store demos will be funny21:26
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Luriaim thinking of the nyc flasgship store21:26
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Luriaeven if they walk someone outside (its not that big of a store), 57th st in midtown is quite challenging.21:27
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czrmaybe they can afford to run a proper cable down to the store. I would imagine phones with gps have exactly the same problem anyway.21:38
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Cord:-)21:57
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Cordis it known what GPS-Chip it is?21:57
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disqprobably what n95/whatever has22:00
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|Rheh, VSDO did fix the SDK 4.0 install...22:01
kaltsigood to hear :)22:01
|Rbut now make-kpkg is broken so i can get my nvidia kernel module back up with the new kernel... so scratchbox is installed22:01
|Rbut i'll need to wait for that to be fixed to go back to VSDO kernel haha ;)22:02
|R)#cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.2322:02
|R#make-kpkg22:02
|Rexec debian/rules  DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.23-10.00.Custom22:02
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|R /bin/sh: line 0: [: -ge: unary operator expected22:02
|Retc for a couple of lines, with -ge -lt etc22:02
|Rwth :P22:02
|Rhaha22:02
* |R has a bad hair day it seems ;)22:02
kaltsidoes i have #!/bin/sh as the first line?22:02
|Rmake-kpkg ?22:03
kaltsior well that may not matter.. someone is no using ""'s around a variable in test clause22:03
kaltsihmm who ate my t's?22:03
|Rsounds weird from a debian system command22:04
kaltsithat's what I get when I write scripts and forget to enclose a variable in quotes and then it some data that has spaces in the variables22:04
|Ryeah i know ;|22:05
kaltsibohoo.. maybe you can have both if you run ubuntu with vmware in your lenny :)22:07
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|Rhehee22:07
|RI'm sure it's something as stupid as the vdso :|22:08
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kaltsitry google? :)22:08
|Rdoing...22:08
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|Rurhm22:26
Rask330Has anyone ever heard of a decent FTP/SFTP client for the N800?22:27
Takheh, I built my own debs for gftp22:28
Rask330gftp?22:28
Takbut I wouldn't call the result decent22:28
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|Reven weird, make-kpkg works in an old 2.6.21.5 tree... but not in my 2.6.23 tree (where i worked a month ago) after the new option/recompile (and some dist-upgrades i'm guessing...)22:38
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|Rerr weirder22:39
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|Rok i fixed it... re did the whole kernel tree22:51
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|Rreboooot! ;)22:54
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FMzSo, I am now the proud owner of an  n800... and I put the wrong password in for our WLAN... and can't find how to change it.22:58
Luriacontrol panel/connections, iirc22:58
kaltsicontrol panel/connectivity and then connections maybe.. then edit the access point22:59
FMzIt only lets me either connect or cancel22:59
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tigertTools > connection manager or what it was?23:01
tigertit has a list of saved connections23:01
tigertyou can delete or edit from there23:01
tigertlike kaltsi said23:01
derfThere's always gconf-editor.23:01
FMzI'm there now, but can't see any way to edit... only try to connect23:02
FMzFirst time it prompted me23:02
tigertlemme get my n800 somewhere23:02
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tigertdoes it have tools -> connectivity settings in the top menu?23:03
FMzYou sir, are a star...23:04
tigertor I fail to remember if OS2007 had connectivity settings in the top "go to internet" -menu?23:04
FMzFound it.23:04
FMzThanks!23:04
tigertsince the stuff is a bit different / hopefully easier on OS200823:04
tigertand I didnt find my N800 for now23:04
tigertI think I left it at work :/23:04
tigertbut good23:04
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tbfhmm. seems only positive notifications were sent for the n810 program, but no negative notifications?23:07
kaltsiwhat notifications?23:08
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kaltsiah device program notifications23:13
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nelsonczr: of course, another possibility is to run gpsd for all applications, and for in-store applications, run against a gpsd which is simulating movement.23:18
czrnelson, I'm so lucky that I don't manage the shop then ;-)23:18
czr"oh give me a sec, something is wrong with the simulator" "no no, you're not inside a wall right now"..23:19
keesjtools . control panel . network . connections .delete.23:20
keesjthat is vert deep23:20
kaltsihmm when will the first guy sue Nokia for turning into a river "because the n810 told me to turn there" :P23:20
keesjvery23:20
czrkaltsi, depends on when n810 launches in the us.23:20
nelsonczr: gpsd has a feature where it will play back a GPS track.23:20
kaltsiczr wasn't there a woman in UK who followed the directions into a lake too.. so better keep an eye out for UK also :)23:21
* czr shrugs to all :-)23:21
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tigerthttp://www.collegehumor.com/video:177891123:30
tigertoops :)23:30
tigerttotally wrong channel :D23:30
tigertbut whatever, its friday and it kinda fits23:30
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|Rok!23:49
|Rfixed...23:49
|RTurns out, make-kpkg can't stand having paravirtualisation on in the kernel's .config ... go figure23:49
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ds3now that 2008 is out, does 2008 support USB OTG?23:53
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|R[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] >  <- touchdown! ;)23:54
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kaltsiR: congrats! now nothing stands between you and the maemo killer app anymore :)23:55
|Rkaltsi : indeed!23:55
|RNow, i need to put some WD40 on my coding skills ;)23:56
kaltsiif it's of any help, the dev tools pages were revamped a bit and some new tools were made available: http://maemo.org/development/tools/23:57
* |R getting xephyr23:57
|Rgood :)23:57

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