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| skibur | wow | 01:26 |
| skibur | new download webpage? | 01:27 |
| unit42 | Uh. Works again... was b0rked a few hours ago... | 01:31 |
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| skibur | yeah | 01:31 |
| skibur | working now | 01:31 |
| unit42 | Hmm. Can you login? | 01:32 |
| unit42 | Uuuh. Vagalume rocks! ;-) finally a last.fm client. 8-) | 01:33 |
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| Pio | oo cool | 01:38 |
| unit42 | Oh. There's also a plugin that I've missed... maemoscrobbler. | 01:39 |
| unit42 | The CMS seems to be a little confused... | 01:40 |
| unit42 | ...bleeding edge. ;-) | 01:40 |
| * rwhitby notes conversations with real Google developer advocates happening in #android ... if anyone is interested in the new Google phone OS. they can't say anything till next week though. | 01:42 | |
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| robtaylor | rwhitby: thanks for the headsup :) | 01:48 |
| skibur | kismet is nice on N800 | 01:49 |
| skibur | I really don't want to keep on adding apps if OS2008 is coming out | 01:49 |
| skibur | :( | 01:49 |
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| flip^ | win 40 | 01:52 |
| ds3 | what does kismet get you over the standard network selector thing? | 01:53 |
| sciboy | skibur, Actually it's a good excuse to add every app and test them out. | 01:54 |
| sciboy | skibur, Since you'll be clearing them with 2008 comes around anyway. | 01:54 |
| skibur | true | 01:54 |
| skibur | ?ds3 | 01:55 |
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| ds3 | on OS2007 and 2006, if tapping on the thing in the upper right area brings up a list that will scan for wireless networks | 01:57 |
| ds3 | how is kismet different from that | 01:57 |
| dragorn | kismet operates totally differently | 01:57 |
| dragorn | network list is simply an active probe from the card. | 01:57 |
| ds3 | but isn't the information the same? | 01:57 |
| dragorn | nope | 01:58 |
| dragorn | not in the slightest | 01:58 |
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| dragorn | if all you want is the active network list, don't use kismet. | 01:58 |
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| ds3 | I am trying to understand what additional info kismet gives me | 01:59 |
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| dragorn | Data capture, hidden network disclosure, IDS functionality, client lists per network, etc. | 02:00 |
| dragorn | Or, look at the website | 02:00 |
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| dragorn | if all you want is a list of networks from the probe responses, don't use kismet. | 02:00 |
| ds3 | kismet has its own website? all I been seeing is the stuff for the various ports | 02:00 |
| * ds3 searches | 02:00 | |
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| dragorn | uhhhh yeah :P | 02:00 |
| ds3 | found it | 02:01 |
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| skibur | ook | 02:03 |
| skibur | lol | 02:03 |
| skibur | yeah | 02:03 |
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| |R | uhm, there is a non crashing kismet? (2007) | 02:08 |
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| skibur | ? | 02:08 |
| skibur | yeah | 02:08 |
| skibur | I really haven't tested yet | 02:08 |
| skibur | just works so far | 02:09 |
| skibur | N800 | 02:09 |
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| |R | 2007.01.R1b-1.0 ? :) | 02:09 |
| sciboy | Hey guys, I want to put out N800 compatible files with my video podcast, will using the 770-encode script on Best be good enough>? | 02:09 |
| skibur | |R | 02:10 |
| skibur | yeah :P | 02:10 |
| |R | k:) | 02:10 |
| skibur | I guess it will crash soon | 02:10 |
| |R | hehe only tried once | 02:10 |
| |R | but it screwed up my wifi, i had to reboot | 02:10 |
| skibur | got btscanner? | 02:10 |
| |R | (should try again...) | 02:10 |
| |R | uhm nop? | 02:11 |
| ds3 | don't suppose there is a equiv of kismet for bluetooth? | 02:12 |
| dragorn | ds3: Not really. Sniffing bluetooth isn't as straight forward | 02:14 |
| dragorn | infact you're basically limited to the network-finder model of "what BT devices report they exist" | 02:15 |
| dragorn | Reddaway: kismet crashing - 2007-10-R1 has a crapton of memory saving, speed boosts, and bugfixes, however no-one has contributed anything from the list of things needed for proper maemo support and I haven't had any time, so no maemo packages yet | 02:16 |
| dragorn | hm | 02:16 |
| dragorn | stupid auto-complete, that was "re:" not meant to be a users name | 02:16 |
| ds3 | dragorn: I found the references about people hacking the CSR firmware, but I figure I'd ask incase someone had a breakthru | 02:17 |
| dragorn | anyway. Bluetooth is sniffable but not generally with commodity hardware, and definitely not w/ the cpu power available in the N800 should you happen to get it working with non-commidity hardware | 02:17 |
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| dragorn | some things can be done w hacked firmware, but you still need data not easily obtainable. doing it with a SDR like the USRP requires you do the FFT and demodulation on the host, and the n800 is never going to pull that off | 02:18 |
| ds3 | according to one page, even the USRP required 10 radios to do all the channels | 02:19 |
| ds3 | the N800 does have a built in DSP to help a bit | 02:19 |
| dragorn | not going to help enough | 02:20 |
| dragorn | and, you'd probably need more than 10 to sniff all the channels, and each one will basically need a dedicated PC | 02:20 |
| dragorn | it takes 100% of a 2ghz cpu to demod barker CCK at 1mbit | 02:20 |
| dragorn | and even that only gets about 12mhz of the 25mhz channel because of the usrp hw limitations | 02:21 |
| ds3 | quad core/4way physical SMP should come close but yes, I get your point | 02:21 |
| dragorn | in theory you can do it a little cheaper since if you sit on a 1mhz slice for bluetooth and wait for it to hop to that, but I'd never expect the n800, even with a dsp chip, to be able to handle the demod. | 02:21 |
| dragorn | Wouldn't come close to demodulating 84mhz of overlapping channels, no. | 02:22 |
| * dragorn has a usrp. | 02:22 | |
| ds3 | all I want is to be able to debug a pairing session; there are sniffers out there using CSR radios + special firmware that will do it | 02:22 |
| dragorn | what you really want to do is sit on a channel, capture a fractional mac address, brute the remainder to get the hopping pattern, and then feed it to a fpga for decoding | 02:24 |
| ds3 | this is the page I was talking about; the claim is 8 radios can cover all 79 channels - http://www.usenix.org/events/woot07/tech/full_papers/spill/spill_html/ | 02:25 |
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| Tb0n3 | hay guys | 04:38 |
| Tb0n3 | I just went to the phone store | 04:38 |
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| Tb0n3 | saw me a HTC Mogul | 04:39 |
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| sal | Is Video center developed using maemo? | 04:54 |
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| zerojay | ...um.... | 05:02 |
| sal | Well, reason I am asking is I get numerous errors - Google gives no help. Mplayer also just won't play anything | 05:03 |
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| zerojay | You are probably using the wrong format streams. | 05:19 |
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| dowellconning | Heyas! Does anyone have some advice on flashing my 770 to upgrade to IT OS 07 HE? Looking for experiences first really. Anyone have problems? | 05:25 |
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| dowellconning | Having skype on the move would be very useful, and I really need better AJAX support in my browser. | 05:27 |
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| dowellconning | I guess the 2 questions I really want to ask are would you recommend flashing to IT OS 1007 HE, and is it stable enough to make it worthwhile? | 05:29 |
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| dowellconning | Ah, doesn't look like it will be worth it I guess :| Shame, would have been cool to have skype on the run n.n | 05:33 |
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| skibur_ | miniUSB connection | 05:37 |
| skibur_ | like what can be connected to N800? | 05:37 |
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| dolfun | fascinated and decided to learn more? A huge number. Indeed | 05:51 |
| sal | Why is it not worth itr? | 05:51 |
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| sal | I did it...only issue is stupid garage.maemo.org being down. | 05:51 |
| dolfun | dowellconning: some ppl love 2007he | 05:51 |
| dowellconning | dolfun: My 770 is my main computer, would I be able to run Skype / Opera / Flash stably on it if I upgraded? | 05:53 |
| dolfun | heh mine too (on the go) | 05:53 |
| dolfun | i dono | 05:53 |
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| sal | Perhaps - you still need to do something to get those installed | 05:58 |
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| kcome | hi all | 05:59 |
| sal | hello | 06:02 |
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| sciboy | Hi, the maemo server is really acting up right now. | 08:29 |
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| kcome | hi all | 08:43 |
| leandroal | hello, does someone use linux omap kernel (git) on n800? I'm trying to recompile it but when I type make n800_defconfig it seems that the config file doesn't exist! :( Anyone to help me? | 08:43 |
| leandroal | I checkout and try this in tags HEAD, v2.6.21 and v2.6.18 | 08:43 |
| kcome | hello, | 08:46 |
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| kcome | anyone here got any news from developer discount program about new N810? | 08:46 |
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| czr | kcome, what kind of news do you expect? | 08:52 |
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| kcome | for example | 08:53 |
| kcome | 500 discount code is distributed out | 08:53 |
| kcome | and winners could check if you have it at http://xxx.xxx.xxx/xxx | 08:53 |
| czr | if it works the same way as before, you'll get an email when and if you're selected. | 08:55 |
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| kcome | ok, thanks for your note | 08:55 |
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| Richard_ | Hi, every one! | 09:05 |
| Richard_ | Is it possible to port maemon to normal 320*480 mobile phones? | 09:06 |
| sciboy | Company policy, everything is possible. | 09:07 |
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| Richard_ | sorry, the resolution is 320*240. | 09:09 |
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| dolske | *grumble* are maemo.org account logins not working at the moment? | 09:50 |
| sciboy | Maemo.org appears fairly borked right now. | 09:51 |
| sciboy | Even the repository stopped working | 09:52 |
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| timeless | dolske: there's a scheduled sevice window | 09:58 |
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| timeless | didn't you get the memo? | 09:58 |
| * timeless got the memo, read the memo, discarded the memo, and called ferenc to complain | 09:58 | |
| dolske | no, I'm not getting the maemo. :) | 09:58 |
| timeless | he complained tha i didn't pay atten to the memo | 09:58 |
| czr | timeless, you told him what you did with the memo? :-) | 09:59 |
| dolske | you just need an amusing "oops we're out for a massage" downtime page. :P | 09:59 |
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| timeless | we do need to get him to setup an alternate server that issues a proper HTTP header'ed error page | 10:03 |
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| omeam | hi...may it be that http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.2/ is down? | 10:19 |
| VRe__ | they're updating the site, didn't you get the memo :) | 10:21 |
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| omeam | VRe: wich maemo-memo? | 10:22 |
| omeam | s/wich/which/g | 10:22 |
| infobot | omeam meant: VRe: which maemo-memo? | 10:22 |
| omeam | VRe: does anyone know when they are done? | 10:23 |
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| VRe | no idea | 10:23 |
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| omeam | VRe: i mean... 1 hour or 1 week? | 10:25 |
| VRe | omeam: what you think an update would take? | 10:26 |
| omeam | VRe: updatesize / updatespeed = updatetime | 10:26 |
| omeam | isnt it? | 10:26 |
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| VRe | that's one way to put it | 10:27 |
| omeam | VRe: there are others?? *shocked* | 10:27 |
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| omeam | infobot: maemo is down | 10:28 |
| VRe | you assume that updatespeed is constant | 10:28 |
| omeam | VRe: so what would you suggest for variable updatespeeds? | 10:28 |
| VRe | and separate tasks | 10:28 |
| omeam | for example: updatespeed grows exponetially towards time | 10:28 |
| infobot | ...but maemo is already something else... | 10:28 |
| VRe | so then we could have a really bit longer formula | 10:29 |
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| czr | use longer variable names | 10:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:41 |
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| czr | hmm. there seems to be a problem in 4.0beta af (x86). the af desktop background doesn't refresh the screen (open menus "stay open"). | 10:49 |
| czr | (running gutsy/x86) | 10:49 |
| czr | anyone remember the magic composite flag for xephyr? | 10:50 |
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| czr | nm | 10:54 |
| czr | seems that 4.0 sdk is the first one that actually requires the composite extension from the X server | 10:57 |
| czr | 3.2 worked just fine with an older xephyr too (dapper) | 10:57 |
| * czr blehs | 10:57 | |
| timeless | yeah 4.0 really wants composite | 10:58 |
| czr | now I need to find a xephyr that knows composite. /me goes looking | 10:58 |
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| Jaffa | czr: gutsy's does. | 11:01 |
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| czr | Jaffa, sure. I have gutsy as a vmware guest though. and normally run Xephyr on my real machine (dapper) while keeping sbox and all evil stuff in the vm. | 11:02 |
| czr | running X in the vm is just so "slow". | 11:02 |
| Jaffa | Upgrading the Dapper box to Gutsy not an option? | 11:02 |
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| czr | it is not for this box. I use this for proper work. | 11:03 |
| timeless | don't run x in vms | 11:03 |
| timeless | use ssh to connect vms to outside | 11:03 |
| czr | timeless, duh, that is what I'm doing. | 11:03 |
| czr | but it's not possible right now since the Xephyr on my real host doesn't support Composite. | 11:03 |
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| czr | (with SDK that is) | 11:04 |
| timeless | get a better host :) | 11:04 |
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| timeless | might i suggest windows or osx :) | 11:04 |
| czr | duly noted ;-) | 11:04 |
| czr | hmm. does Xephyr require Composite support from the real X server in order to provide Composite support to its clients? | 11:07 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:18 |
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| czr | argh. found a prebuilt static version of Xephyr. it's more or less as old as the one in dapper.. grrghg. | 11:24 |
| * czr decides today is not the day to learn the xorg build system. | 11:24 | |
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| inz | czr, apt-get source ftw ;) | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | czr: backport of the Feisty/Gutsy one? | 11:25 |
| czr | inz, the source of the dapper one doesn't contain the extension to start with | 11:25 |
| czr | the one in gutsy is based on rebuilding the whole xserver tree | 11:25 |
| czr | so, no win for me today. that's ok I guess. just pretty silly. | 11:26 |
| inz | hmm, apt-get source xserver-xepyhr gives me the xserver-kdrive from edgy | 11:26 |
| inz | And I do have gusty in deb-src | 11:26 |
| czr | weird | 11:26 |
| czr | I got xorg-xserver | 11:26 |
| czr | but only gutsy repos in sources.list | 11:27 |
| czr | probably will build a fully static xephyr later on | 11:27 |
| czr | but not today. | 11:27 |
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| omeam | do you know "Reference #97.7070f8d5.1194337049.54e06db" | 11:31 |
| omeam | (current error when visiting tablets-dev.nokia) | 11:31 |
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| czr | hahah. I found a "solution" | 11:42 |
| czr | running dapper version of xephyr on my real host, then doing ssh -X to the chinook/gutsy vm, then starting Xephyr there, but with DISPLAY=:10, and then finally starting the af using the gutsy xephyr | 11:42 |
| * czr adds this to the list of hacks that shouldn't really exist. | 11:42 | |
| czr | hmm. should I see untranslated strings in the 4.0beta AF? | 11:44 |
| Jaffa | Nope. The old locale issue's back? | 11:44 |
| czr | I don't think so. I only see one untranslated so far. | 11:44 |
| timeless | what string? | 11:45 |
| czr | sfil_li_folder_root | 11:45 |
| czr | home -> select background -> browse | 11:45 |
| czr | it's displayed in the place of the device name "in the root" folder hierarchy | 11:45 |
| timeless | /libhildonfm-1.9.42.1/po/en_GB.po, | 11:45 |
| timeless | * line 267 -- msgid "sfil_li_folder_root" | 11:45 |
| timeless | * | 11:45 |
| timeless | /hildon-application-manager-2.0.0/ChangeLog, | 11:45 |
| timeless | * line 2311 -- (device_name): Use translated sfil_li_folder_root instead of | 11:45 |
| czr | ok, so it's fixed but not in beta, right? | 11:46 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=sfil_li_folder_root | 11:46 |
| timeless | compare w/ sardine (search still running) | 11:47 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/search?string=sfil_li_folder_root | 11:47 |
| czr | well, I just need to know whether to open a bug or not | 11:47 |
| timeless | dunnno | 11:47 |
| timeless | afaict the sardine from 10/25 has the sring | 11:47 |
| timeless | and afaict it's using the proper domain | 11:48 |
| czr | right. not opening a bug then. | 11:48 |
| timeless | how do you reach that? | 11:48 |
| czr | "home -> select background -> browse" | 11:49 |
| timeless | um, ok..... | 11:49 |
| timeless | cute | 11:49 |
| timeless | um.. | 11:50 |
| timeless | is this above the Audio Clips folder? | 11:50 |
| czr | give me a sec | 11:50 |
| czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/bugs/ | 11:50 |
| timeless | yeah, see, um... | 11:50 |
| timeless | on a device you wouldn't notice | 11:51 |
| czr | so, context menu in home, then "Set background image...", then "browse", and then you get the picture. | 11:51 |
| timeless | because http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/hildon-fm-l10n-3.0/po/en_GB.po#18 | 11:51 |
| timeless | look at the string | 11:51 |
| czr | eww :-) | 11:51 |
| czr | well, at least it's not sputnik like it was in 1.0 sdk release. | 11:51 |
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| timeless | you want to file a bug? | 11:53 |
| timeless | here's the bug | 11:53 |
| timeless | open control panel, open bluetooth | 11:53 |
| timeless | change the device name to "My Dumbwaiter" | 11:53 |
| timeless | close control panel | 11:53 |
| timeless | open file manager | 11:53 |
| czr | you seem to forget something. again. :-) I don't work for Nokia ;-) | 11:53 |
| timeless | you have an n800, no? | 11:54 |
| czr | my control panel only has "Hello World" | 11:54 |
| czr | yes | 11:54 |
| timeless | or a scratchbox? | 11:54 |
| czr | scratchbox | 11:54 |
| timeless | oh, no control panel? | 11:54 |
| czr | wait | 11:54 |
| timeless | ok, interesting | 11:54 |
| timeless | well, hrm | 11:54 |
| czr | now, I'm running 4.0 beta in sbox | 11:54 |
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| czr | but, I also have an N800, but this is unrelated. | 11:54 |
| timeless | anyway, see if you can change the device name | 11:54 |
| timeless | try the n800 | 11:54 |
| czr | no. | 11:55 |
| czr | I don't want to mess up pairing. | 11:55 |
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| czr | and the n800 is not running 4.0 | 11:55 |
| timeless | ok, what's the name of your device? | 11:55 |
| rothiel | Hi all :) | 11:55 |
| rothiel | Is someone using the osso-xterm on N800 please ? | 11:55 |
| timeless | as long as it isn't Nokia N800, anything should be fine | 11:55 |
| lardman | morning | 11:55 |
| timeless | which xterm is that? | 11:55 |
| omeam | czr: timeless: your conversation is a bit confusing when somebody enters about 09:53 | 11:56 |
| czr | timeless, the name is correct on the N800 in the same dialog | 11:56 |
| omeam | rothiel: i use the osso-xterm on the n800 | 11:56 |
| czr | timeless, my problem was in chinook 4.0beta | 11:56 |
| czr | sdk | 11:56 |
| timeless | omeam: there's a bot that logs the entire channel, you can read it there | 11:56 |
| timeless | czr: anyway, the title in that one dialog doesn't seem to match file manager | 11:56 |
| timeless | which seems pretty stupid | 11:57 |
| * czr nods | 11:57 | |
| omeam | timeless: i'm in here longer - just thought it was funny to read that constructs | 11:57 |
| czr | omeam, we are known to be very funny. | 11:57 |
| rothiel | timeless > http://blog.lmartin.fr/dc2/index.php/post/2007/04/11/osso-xterm-et-profile | 11:57 |
| rothiel | omeam > ok. I want it to launch a binary on a sd card | 11:58 |
| * timeless doesn't speak french | 11:58 | |
| czr | timeless, I'll let this one slide. will recheck when 4.0 proper comes out. | 11:58 |
| rothiel | but when I use it i'm in /home/user | 11:58 |
| timeless | czr: given that the code is open, you could file a bug today | 11:58 |
| rothiel | hum, wait a minut | 11:59 |
| timeless | lemme figure out what the heck it's trying to do | 11:59 |
| czr | timeless, I could. but then again I also have real work to do :-) | 11:59 |
| timeless | really? | 11:59 |
| czr | and if the bug is already fixed in some internval version, I'd rather not waste my time writing up about it | 11:59 |
| czr | internal even. | 12:00 |
| timeless | it's buggy in the proto i have here | 12:00 |
| czr | oh | 12:00 |
| * timeless tries to older proto w/ the newer image | 12:00 | |
| czr | tell me how it goes. if you think I should write a bug, I will. | 12:00 |
| timeless | hrm, seems to have the right thing in the newer image | 12:01 |
| timeless | odd | 12:01 |
| timeless | ok, something's very buggy | 12:01 |
| timeless | but the odds of you getting the report right aren't high enough | 12:01 |
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| timeless | i think that desktop would need a restart to get the device name correct | 12:02 |
| czr | I'm happy to pass the puck to you as well ;-) | 12:02 |
| rothiel | omeam > it's good :) | 12:02 |
| timeless | can you try it on your n800? | 12:02 |
| timeless | steps: | 12:02 |
| timeless | 1. check set background dialog | 12:03 |
| timeless | 2. open file manager (don't close it) | 12:03 |
| timeless | 3. open control panel/bluetooth and add/remove 1 letter from name | 12:03 |
| timeless | 4. check file manager (don't...) | 12:03 |
| timeless | 5. check set background | 12:03 |
| timeless | 6. go back to control panel and undo damage | 12:03 |
| czr | hah | 12:04 |
| czr | I can't change the BT name while the device is in flight-mode. | 12:04 |
| timeless | bug! | 12:04 |
| timeless | please file, that's insane | 12:04 |
| czr | all the widgets are disabled in this mode | 12:04 |
| czr | indeed | 12:04 |
| timeless | otoh, i shouldn' really be surprised | 12:04 |
| czr | let me make a screenshot | 12:04 |
| timeless | nah, it happens here too | 12:05 |
| * timeless rotfl | 12:05 | |
| timeless | read the help | 12:05 |
| timeless | Bluetooth on--...Note that Bluetooth connectivity is automatically switched on when an application requires it. | 12:05 |
| timeless | oh really? | 12:05 |
| timeless | even in flight mode? | 12:05 |
| czr | flight mode kills bt | 12:07 |
| czr | I think | 12:07 |
| czr | although I didn't have BT on too. | 12:07 |
| czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/bugs/bt-devname-unchangeable-while-in-flight.png | 12:08 |
| czr | when device is put back into normal mode, the "bluetooth on" checkbox is enabled, but not the two other widgets | 12:08 |
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| czr | forcing BT on to change the device name seems slightly silly to me | 12:09 |
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| czr | timeless, yup. the device name is NOT changed into the background dialog | 12:10 |
| czr | it IS changed into the file manager though. | 12:10 |
| czr | timeless, should I post bugs or not? | 12:12 |
| timeless | since you can, do | 12:12 |
| timeless | you found the bugs, i just explained them | 12:12 |
| czr | why couldn't I? :-) | 12:12 |
| czr | well. we'll see what will happen. | 12:13 |
| timeless | anyway, do me a favor and file a bug about the help text being wrong :) | 12:13 |
| czr | will do | 12:13 |
| czr | hmm. which help text btw? | 12:13 |
| timeless | in the bluetooth dialog | 12:13 |
| timeless | click help | 12:13 |
| timeless | i quoted the relevant bit | 12:13 |
| czr | ahh. skipped that, give a sec | 12:13 |
| czr | btw, my help text is completely different | 12:14 |
| czr | doesn't contain your text. but doesn't really contain correct text either. | 12:15 |
| timeless | heh | 12:16 |
| timeless | lemme pull up your text :) | 12:16 |
| czr | The dialog includes the following fields: \n "My device's name" - This is the device name shown to other devices supporting Bluetooth technology when set as visible. \n "Visible" - Select or unselect this box to make the device visible or invisible for other devices supporting Bluetooth technology. \n "OK" - Save changes and close the dialog \n "Devices" - Opens the dialog for devices supporting Bluetooth technology. \n "Cancel" - Discard changes and close the dia | 12:17 |
| czr | log. | 12:17 |
| czr | sry for the long line. all typos are mine. | 12:17 |
| timeless | that's fine | 12:17 |
| timeless | hrm, so we did a refresh to make the text vaguely better but mostly worse | 12:18 |
| czr | it doesn't document the "Bluetooth on" checkbox at all. | 12:18 |
| timeless | someone must have complained | 12:18 |
| timeless | so someone "documented it" | 12:18 |
| czr | or maybe they just changed it by mistake ;-) | 12:18 |
| timeless | (incorrectly of course) | 12:18 |
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| timeless | ok, pulled up the old text | 12:19 |
| timeless | ok, the old text is definitely "bad" | 12:20 |
| czr | even worse? :-) | 12:20 |
| timeless | unfortunately i'm prety sure the new text is actually worse | 12:20 |
| zerojay | If you need help with that bug, let me know. I don't know why I'm awake at 5am, but here I am. | 12:20 |
| czr | zerojay, which one of the three/four? :-) | 12:20 |
| timeless | well, one of you should just make a note to file a bug abou the new text when you flash 2008 :) | 12:20 |
| zerojay | Hah. | 12:21 |
| zerojay | Whichever. | 12:21 |
| czr | maybe I'll just write up the bugs before any new appear. | 12:21 |
| timeless | the help already went to bed, so there's no point in me filing internally | 12:21 |
| timeless | heh, yeah, good idea | 12:21 |
| czr | err. which version should I file against? 3.2? (N800 running 2007) | 12:21 |
| timeless | that's fine | 12:21 |
| zerojay | Probably should include a note that it's in 2008 as well. | 12:22 |
| timeless | yeah, you can do that if you like | 12:22 |
| timeless | nothing wrong w/ filing against 3.2 | 12:22 |
| timeless | if we can't handle it, we need to fix our process until we can | 12:22 |
| czr | I'll file it against 3.2 and let it escalate to where-ever | 12:22 |
| * timeless sighs | 12:23 | |
| timeless | the help text is really awkward | 12:23 |
| timeless | "set as visible" *cough* | 12:23 |
| zerojay | Proof that hardly anyone looked at it before and hardly anyone looked at it after. ;P | 12:24 |
| czr | bug 1: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2220 | 12:24 |
| timeless | i have a hard enough time getting normal strings right | 12:24 |
| czr | timeless, you might add notes about the text being awkward. I'm not a native speaker so lack credibility | 12:24 |
| timeless | average time to fix is >18months | 12:25 |
| zerojay | damn | 12:25 |
| czr | next one.. | 12:25 |
| zerojay | Anyone else think this whole karma thing started about six months too late? | 12:28 |
| lardman | Anyone used Pidgin with Bonjour (not necessarily on an internet tablet)? | 12:28 |
| czr | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2221 | 12:28 |
| czr | that's the one about the background browse thing not updating device name changes | 12:28 |
| czr | next one.. | 12:28 |
| lardman | zerojay: it's achieved what it set out to do - getting people to think about filing bugs, rating blogs, updating downloads, etc. | 12:29 |
| zerojay | lardman: What would Pidgin need to use Bonjour for? | 12:29 |
| lardman | zerojay: impromtu chats | 12:29 |
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| zerojay | lardman: Except that when it's important (NOW), it's still far too buggy to be useful. | 12:29 |
| lardman | zerojay: But it's not important now | 12:29 |
| zerojay | Right when they're going to be giving away the discounts? Seems like the most important time to me. | 12:30 |
| lardman | zerojay: the 'developer' device thing is just to kick start the karma, I don't think it's all that important in the choice to be honest (I have no idea though) | 12:30 |
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| lardman | or rather the fact they lauched it now and said it goes toward the developer device is just to kick start it etc | 12:31 |
| zerojay | I also don't like that I've spent my time doing stuff like helping out on ITT with people directly and it's given no weight compared to someone that passively clicked a few stars here or there. | 12:31 |
| zerojay | But no system can be perfect. | 12:31 |
| lardman | I still think its bearing on the dev device is probably not going to be very much, at least not this time round | 12:31 |
| zerojay | And I don't think Reggie's going to be able to give any sort of API or anything for getting information from ITT anyways. | 12:31 |
| lardman | really? | 12:32 |
| zerojay | Yeah, I guess we'll see. | 12:32 |
| lardman | why not? | 12:32 |
| Jaffa | He's not got a lot of time, and is doing a visual refresh at the moment | 12:32 |
| zerojay | He seems to busy to even bother with the site at all most of the time. | 12:32 |
| lardman | wget the profile page and grep it for "post count" or whatever the string is - seems reasonable to me | 12:32 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: It'd be trivial for someone - either 3rd party or external - to expose an API for getting postcount | 12:32 |
| zerojay | too busy | 12:33 |
| czr | timeless, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2222 . This one started the whole thing. | 12:33 |
| czr | ooh. 2222! /me wins. | 12:33 |
| Jaffa | s/external/Maemo karma team/ | 12:33 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: zerojay: It'd be trivial for someone - either 3rd party or Maemo karma team - to expose an API for getting postcount | 12:33 |
| czr | I have to. with such a number. | 12:33 |
| zerojay | Postcount isn't great though. | 12:33 |
| zerojay | Bleh. | 12:33 |
| lardman | I know, but how else in the short term? | 12:33 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: indeed, but without a karma system on ITT taking into account indivdual ++/-- then, as lardman says, what else is there? | 12:34 |
| timeless | i like other comments in 2221 :) | 12:34 |
| zerojay | czr: Bug #1111 on my company's internal bugzilla... I filed a bug against the fact that some of our game's text had a ton of exclamation points all over the place. Somehow seemed that the bug for "!!!!" was appropriate for bug #1111. | 12:34 |
| dolfun | YOU ARE NOW A CRIMINAL. H.R. 1955 "(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system... to advance political, religious, or social change." http://www.lewrockwell.com/knaebel/knaebel11.html | 12:34 |
| Jaffa | I think IRC lines spoken should count (perhaps lines in last 3 months, rolling average or something): we've got the logs. | 12:34 |
| timeless | i'd be #1 :) | 12:34 |
| zerojay | dolfun: stfu. | 12:34 |
| czr | zerojay, heh. true :-) | 12:34 |
| timeless | oh | 12:35 |
| lardman | _Monkey would be up there too ;) | 12:35 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Documentation | 12:35 |
| timeless | can you se the Help component? | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | lardman: filter out _Monkey ;-) | 12:35 |
| zerojay | Help content, yes. | 12:35 |
| timeless | s/se/use/ | 12:36 |
| infobot | timeless meant: can you use the Help component? | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | Maybe even take into account the bots' karma systems... | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | zerojay++ | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | Oh, _Monkey's not here. | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | infobot: zerojay++ | 12:36 |
| timeless | someone killed it? | 12:36 |
| timeless | infobot karma for zerojay | 12:36 |
| infobot | for zerojay has neutral karma | 12:36 |
| zerojay | HURRAAAAAYYYYY!!!! | 12:36 |
| timeless | good to know you aren't evil | 12:36 |
| zerojay | So you think. | 12:37 |
| * zerojay twirls his handlebar mustache. | 12:37 | |
| czr | timeless, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223 this is about the unchangeability of device name. | 12:37 |
| zerojay | I know Monkey has one particular word... crashes the bot each and every time. | 12:37 |
| czr | so. four bugs. not five. or maybe I forgot something. | 12:37 |
| timeless | did you lose canconfirm? | 12:38 |
| lardman | anyway, no one used Pidgin with Bonjour (to talk to iChat basically)? I don't see anything indicating it's running over and above my MSN login | 12:38 |
| czr | timeless, canconfirm? | 12:38 |
| timeless | http://www.mozilla.org/quality/help/bugzilla-privilege-guide.html#canconfirm | 12:38 |
| timeless | for lack of a better reference | 12:38 |
| czr | ah no. I don't start them in a confirmed state | 12:39 |
| czr | I assume that someone from N will decide the state and leave it up to them. | 12:39 |
| timeless | intentional choice? ok | 12:39 |
| timeless | fine, i don't mind | 12:39 |
| czr | also, maybe the "unchangeable device name" is a feature. not a bug ;-) | 12:39 |
| timeless | i tend to do that for areas ouside my own | 12:39 |
| * czr nods | 12:40 | |
| timeless | i'm sure it's specified, i can check :) | 12:40 |
| czr | maemo isn't my area really :-) | 12:40 |
| czr | I wonder whether the same things will happen to these bugs what happened to most of my 1.0 bugs | 12:40 |
| czr | we'll see :-) | 12:40 |
| * czr back-to-proper-works. | 12:41 | |
| |tbb| | 12:43 | |
| czr | btw, does anyone know whether application manager will be available for 4.0 sdk at some point? | 12:45 |
| zerojay | Anyone got an e-mail address on alterego? | 12:45 |
| czr | zerojay, mailing lists? | 12:46 |
| zerojay | Not sure if he posts there.. ee... | 12:46 |
| czr | he has | 12:46 |
| czr | search for alterego | 12:46 |
| inz | czr, doesn't the one from sardine work? | 12:46 |
| czr | inz, you're proposing I mix the 4.0beta with sardine? | 12:46 |
| czr | what's the package name for it there inz? | 12:47 |
| inz | czr, osso-application-installer | 12:48 |
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| czr | ah, they didn't change the name. | 12:50 |
| czr | it was available in normal 3.2 though. | 12:51 |
| czr | (with apt-get, without sardine) | 12:51 |
| czr | the problem is that I'd rather not use sardine as I need to test the existing code base against 4.0, not sardine. | 12:51 |
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| czr | hmm. interestingly enough, the "$@" has made it into 4.0beta sdk. | 13:08 |
| * czr yays | 13:08 | |
| czr | sp3000, thanks :-) | 13:08 |
| sp3000 | heh | 13:08 |
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| zerojay | alterego, if you happen to read #maemo logs: http://www.jablet.net/news/?p=6 | 13:37 |
| * lardman wonders how hard it would be to port the OPL runtime.... | 13:43 | |
| zerojay | OPL? | 13:44 |
| * ccooke wonders what the best (UK) price anyone's seen for an n810 is | 13:44 | |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_programming_language | 13:44 |
| zerojay | Sony Ericsson P1.. if I never hear about that phone ever again, it'll be too soon. | 13:45 |
| lardman | ccooke: There's a thread on ITT about somewhere (play.com?) having it for ~£149 | 13:46 |
| lardman | zerojay: I'm thinking more of the Psion series 5 | 13:46 |
| zerojay | I'm just complaining because it's taken about 5 weeks for me to get some people to send me the keymaping for it. | 13:46 |
| ccooke | Heh. I loved my old Psion 5mx. | 13:47 |
| zerojay | It shouldn't take that long to get 7 numbers, especially since they have the tool to get said numbers within 3 minutes. | 13:47 |
| ccooke | lardman: hmm. Play.com have it for about "290 | 13:47 |
| ccooke | er. £290. | 13:47 |
| lardman | ccooke: hmm, perhaps the thread was about the 770 then. No idea sorry | 13:48 |
| ccooke | http://www.superetrader.co.uk/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-p-2974.html - this site has it for £258.50 | 13:48 |
| gla55 | lardman: has opl been ported outside symbian/epoc ever? | 13:48 |
| ccooke | Some people were saying this was Far Too Cheap and looked like a scam... but that was before play.com dropped their price from £499 to £290 :-) | 13:49 |
| lardman | gla55: I was having a quick google to work that out, and couldn't find anything | 13:49 |
| lardman | ccooke: It's not even £499 on the Nokia site is it? | 13:50 |
| gla55 | lardman: it was pretty symbian specific if i recall correctly so.. porting might be an ultimate bitch | 13:50 |
| gla55 | lardman: and considering nobodys bothered even porting it to s9 | 13:50 |
| ccooke | lardman: I don't think Nokia are listing a price yet | 13:50 |
| lardman | gla55: Yes, I imagine so, but... it would be interesting to do | 13:50 |
| lardman | gla55: Only use their code for the low level runtime, and even then probably need to rewrite it, then it basically becomes a virtual machine | 13:51 |
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| * lardman is probably going mad | 13:52 | |
| suihkulokki | yes :) | 13:52 |
| gla55 | lardman: yeah intrestig would be the right word. i can't ever imagine getting so bored though :p and then building the ui stuff | 13:52 |
| leandroal | hello, does someone use linux omap kernel (git) on n800? I'm trying to recompile it but when I type make n800_defconfig it seems that the config file doesn't exist! :( Anyone to help me? I checkout and try this in tags HEAD, v2.6.21 and v2.6.18 | 13:52 |
| lardman | gla55: Oh yeah, dialog construction. Hmm.... I was just thinking of the graphical commands to draw lines and print text, which would be easy enough | 13:53 |
| lardman | gla55: But still, I imagine it would be possible - wouldn't look the same, but might work the same :) | 13:54 |
| suihkulokki | if you are really bored and want to port a language to maemo, please pick up: Gnu haskell, Gnu Objective C/gnustep, ocaml native compiler or "D" language :) | 13:54 |
| lardman | I like opl though! :) | 13:54 |
| lardman | nah, not sure I'm that bored anyway, should crack on with the DSP stuff | 13:54 |
| lardman | and just use Python, which is much like OPL | 13:55 |
| gla55 | yeah.. | 13:55 |
| gla55 | pys60 might be one of the reasons why nobodys bothered with bringing opl to current devices | 13:55 |
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| lardman | there was lots of legacy code floating about, in binary form though, I wonder if they had to change the runtime and therefore there's little point in supporting that | 13:58 |
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| gla55 | the native code needing parts were in opx libs right? those would've needed porting | 13:59 |
| gla55 | and old sis packages repackaging | 13:59 |
| lardman | sis could be supported | 13:59 |
| lardman | opx is separate from the opl code, it would need to be supported but that ought to be reasonably easy in the grand scheme | 14:00 |
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| lardman | perhaps it's simply the case that better languages came along and meant it wasn't worth while | 14:02 |
| lardman | it was good for quick graphical apps though | 14:02 |
| gla55 | back in the day i can imagine | 14:02 |
| gla55 | never did anything in it though myself | 14:03 |
| gla55 | just checked it out and went with c++ | 14:03 |
| lardman | Symbian C++? | 14:03 |
| lardman | yuk | 14:03 |
| gla55 | yea | 14:03 |
| gla55 | i was then intrested in game coding | 14:03 |
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| gla55 | and looking for alternative to j2me | 14:03 |
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| zerojay | BREW. | 14:04 |
| lardman | I tried to get into the Symbian C++ stuff, but it was a pita. You pretty much needed to write from scratch. Then the Zaurus came along and that was ideal | 14:04 |
| gla55 | zerojay: i've never seen a single brew device with my own eyes | 14:04 |
| zerojay | gla55: European? | 14:05 |
| gla55 | yes | 14:05 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that explains it all. | 14:05 |
| zerojay | BREW's only big in the US and Korea. | 14:05 |
| gla55 | yeah | 14:05 |
| zerojay | Verizon. | 14:05 |
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| zerojay | I remember being told a few months ago that 02 was supposed to release a BREW RAZR but I never heard about it again and 02 never asked for BREW builds so... | 14:07 |
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| zerojay | anyways, work time | 14:08 |
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| lardman | has anyone tried driftnet on an n800? | 14:10 |
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| czr | hmm. where is the hildon-audit tool available? | 14:17 |
| czr | or rather, why isn't it included in the 4.0 SDK (beta)? | 14:19 |
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| czr | argh. | 14:30 |
| czr | hildon-audit: "sorry, your rules file is not supported by this version of the tool." | 14:30 |
| inz | you win | 14:30 |
| czr | installed from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine/main/h/hildon-audit/hildon-audit_1.2-1_all.deb (into 4.0beta SDK) | 14:30 |
| czr | for f*cks sake. | 14:31 |
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| czr | although any program whose help starts with "hildon-audit (: 25243 : 2007-07-20 11:46:31 +0300 (Fri, 20 Jul 2007) 1000 1001 1000 109 108 104 46 44 30 29 25 24 20 4" and continues with "hildon-audit is a tool to scan a folder (recursively) and grep" is bound to be interesting | 14:32 |
| czr | folders? eek. | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: I like the jablet.net design | 14:32 |
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| czr | ahh. found the issue | 14:36 |
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| Tak | if I make a >64M swapfile, will the device use it? | 15:07 |
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| alterego | Up to 128M I believe. | 15:11 |
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| Tak | hmm...no mkswap on the device? | 15:12 |
| alterego | Just use the control panel. | 15:12 |
| Tak | only gives me the option of up to 64 | 15:13 |
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| alterego | Strange. | 15:13 |
| alterego | Is this a 770? | 15:13 |
| Tak | yes. | 15:13 |
| alterego | Ah, that might be why then :) | 15:13 |
| alterego | Not OS2007? | 15:13 |
| Tak | yes. | 15:14 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 15:14 |
| alterego | Ooo .. My karma has increased :) | 15:14 |
| Tak | huzzah | 15:14 |
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| ertwroc | how can i install some libs under scratchbox? | 15:15 |
| Tak | the same way you'd install them outside of scratchbox | 15:15 |
| ertwroc | hmm | 15:16 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Can't wait for OS2008. | 15:16 |
| czr | hmm. there's no virtual keyboard in 4.0beta sdk. is this on purpose? | 15:19 |
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| alterego | czr, no the SDK is BETA :) | 15:23 |
| czr | alterego, har :-) | 15:24 |
| czr | I'm serious though. | 15:24 |
| alterego | I think I remember some one mentioning that it's missing and should be there. | 15:24 |
| alterego | So chances are it'll be in the final SDK | 15:24 |
| alterego | czr, did you see the desk shot's of my task list application? | 15:25 |
| czr | alterego, I did. looked promising :-) | 15:26 |
| czr | ah, ok. thanks for the info | 15:26 |
| alterego | It has a neat feature. You can make it start it's own web service and then point your desktop computer to it's address to view the task list :) | 15:27 |
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| * timeless sighs | 15:35 | |
| * timeless is glad not to touch maemo mailinglists | 15:35 | |
| alterego | What's wrong with the mailing lists? | 15:35 |
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| czr | they've been quite confused for some time now | 15:39 |
| czr | I think its the outbound mail server really | 15:39 |
| czr | or something is going broken there. random delayes, but not to all, etc. | 15:39 |
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| Tak | http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/sets/72157602959831523/ | 15:39 |
| alterego | That's really awesome Tak | 15:41 |
| alterego | How about making it transparent? :) | 15:41 |
| Tak | hah, I've been messing with that for days | 15:41 |
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| Tak | my problem is that I designed this gtk-like widget framework to be the backend for it | 15:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:42 |
| Tak | and propagating the pseudo-transparency through several layers of containers/etc is horribly wasteful | 15:43 |
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| czr | oh. you have a separate button for bulls*t too, cool :-) | 15:43 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 15:43 |
| alterego | Yeah, gotta love the BS button. | 15:44 |
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| Tak | haha yeah | 15:45 |
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| alterego | This is pretty cool, I'm developing a general purpose ORM for my task list application. | 15:47 |
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| alterego | Something very similar to Rails' Model, which is interesting. | 15:48 |
| czr | ORM sounds like something conan the barbarian would write. | 15:49 |
| czr | "I present to you: ORM!" | 15:49 |
| alterego | :) | 15:49 |
| timeless | mailinglists are good places to get flamed | 15:49 |
| timeless | they're bad places to ge work done | 15:49 |
| Tak | meh, that reminds me of SCORM | 15:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:49 |
| * Tak shudders @ SCORM | 15:49 | |
| Tak | timeless: you're referring to the pascal thread, aren't you? | 15:49 |
| timeless | btw, IT promised to order me a replacement laptop keyboard w/ a working 't' key | 15:50 |
| timeless | tak: SVG | 15:50 |
| czr | hah. somehow I think someone is thinking that each port on the ml will push up the karma? | 15:50 |
| czr | at least some of the recent emails have seemed like that. /me signs | 15:50 |
| timeless | ml? | 15:50 |
| czr | mailing-list | 15:50 |
| czr | maemo-devel. | 15:50 |
| timeless | well, the number of garage applications is something like 4-6 every day | 15:50 |
| timeless | it used to be 1 every 1-4 weeks | 15:51 |
| czr | +growing? | 15:51 |
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| timeless | i only get mail for each new request | 15:51 |
| czr | haha | 15:51 |
| czr | suits you sir :-) | 15:51 |
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| czr | damn. a friend just asked about some old prototype that I demoed to him ages ago. now someone at his company wants to actually use it. | 15:52 |
| * czr goes to broom away all the dust from version control system and starts to dig for the prototype. | 15:52 | |
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| alterego | :) | 15:54 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: getting mediautils.garage.maemo.org seemed a lot easier than mud-builder.garage.maemo.org - maybe cos it's a simpler project, or maybe the rules are less stringent now? | 16:01 |
| * timeless shrugs | 16:01 | |
| Tak | alterego: so, would you like to test and/or host my rubygame package? | 16:02 |
| alterego | Sure, if you want me to :) | 16:02 |
| timeless | someone submitted pyCal 2hrs ago | 16:02 |
| alterego | Would you like access to my SVN? | 16:03 |
| Tak | ok? | 16:03 |
| alterego | Well, if you keep your work in the SVN it makes it easier for me to package releases in the future. | 16:04 |
| * Tak nods | 16:04 | |
| * alterego tries to remember the command to add users to the repository ^_^ | 16:06 | |
| alterego | I think it was htpasswd .. | 16:06 |
| czr | rm -Rf! | 16:06 |
| alterego | :D | 16:07 |
| czr | the ultimate system admin tool. | 16:07 |
| czr | all problems go away | 16:07 |
| suihkulokki | it's a mail reader | 16:07 |
| suihkulokki | rm -rf = read mail - real fast | 16:07 |
| czr | hmm. if there are two 4.0 howtos that conflict between each other, which one to use? | 16:07 |
| alterego | :) | 16:07 |
| czr | (the other is the maemo tutorial, the other is the maemo coding conventions doc) | 16:07 |
| * czr thinks about rolling the dice. | 16:08 | |
| czr | or just die. | 16:08 |
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| alterego | Tak, if you stick it under /repository/ruby-maemo/ruby-game | 16:13 |
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| Tak | lol - is there an end to that sentence? | 16:18 |
| alterego | Sorry | 16:19 |
| alterego | . | 16:19 |
| alterego | :) | 16:19 |
| Tak | parse error: expected kELSE or kEND | 16:19 |
| alterego | :D | 16:19 |
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| L0cutus | alciao alterego :) | 16:28 |
| L0cutus | ops, ciao* | 16:28 |
| alterego | Hello L0cutus | 16:29 |
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| L0cutus | any news on your rx task ? :) | 16:29 |
| alterego | It's coming along nicely. | 16:30 |
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| czr | hmm. question about hildon_banner_show_information. what is the icon_name parameter (gchar*) and where are the icons listed? | 16:49 |
| alterego | Just a sec. | 16:51 |
| czr | http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/gtk/gtk-Stock-Items.html | 16:52 |
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| alterego | You might be able to specify a full path name. | 16:53 |
| czr | found one usage of hildon_banner_show_information that used the parameter as non-NULL (the camera howto, of all documents) | 16:53 |
| czr | I don't need a full path name | 16:53 |
| czr | I just need an error icon :-) | 16:53 |
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| alterego | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26 | 16:54 |
| alterego | I believe there in there. | 16:54 |
| czr | ah, I think I was maybe unclear | 16:54 |
| czr | wasn't looking for their physical location but rather "what to put instead of NULL" in the API call. | 16:54 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 16:54 |
| alterego | there names :P | 16:54 |
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| czr | yup. found it anyway. | 16:56 |
| czr | going through code that uses infoprint. | 16:56 |
| alterego | Example? | 16:56 |
| czr | example? | 16:56 |
| alterego | I'd be interested in getting a list of icon names. | 16:56 |
| czr | check the url I gave you | 16:57 |
| czr | the names are just names for the gtk stock icons | 16:57 |
| rothiel | hi | 16:57 |
| czr | infoprint used to use the symbolic defines (at least the old maemo tutorial used to) | 16:57 |
| alterego | Ah. | 16:57 |
| alterego | Cool. | 16:57 |
| czr | the new tutorial only uses NULL (the default icon is the green info thingy) | 16:57 |
| alterego | That's interesting,. | 16:57 |
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| czr | so now I have this: | 16:58 |
| czr | hildon_banner_show_information(GTK_WIDGET(app->window), "gtk-dialog-error", "Failed to load the file"); | 16:58 |
| czr | as before I had .. something that I already deleted. GTK_STOCK_STOP I think, with gtk_infoprint() (from hildon) | 16:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:00 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:03 |
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| lardman | Does latex work for anyone else inside scratchbox? | 17:03 |
| * lardman compiled giac/xcas over lunch, but it falls at the final hurdle - doc generation | 17:05 | |
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| lardman | I also tried driftnet, which fails as BSD-like defines aren't being used (despite being passed with a -D flag) in the pcap headers | 17:06 |
| lardman | generally a very productive lunch break | 17:06 |
| alterego | :) | 17:07 |
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| czr | hmm. how do I use valgrind with 4.0beta sdk? | 17:23 |
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| dowellconning | Heyas | 17:25 |
| dowellconning | Is there any reason I can't get sound in Flash 9? | 17:25 |
| dowellconning | Is that normal, or is there a known workaround for this problem etc | 17:25 |
| dowellconning | ? | 17:25 |
| alterego | Turning the volume up. | 17:26 |
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| dowellconning | XD | 17:26 |
| dowellconning | The volume is up in terms of system volume, as I can hear my screen taps but not the flash output | 17:27 |
| dowellconning | Is there a flash specific volume setting? | 17:27 |
| timeless | shoudl be | 17:27 |
| timeless | try the context menu on a flash applet | 17:27 |
| timeless | and select settings? | 17:27 |
| dowellconning | I tried that, there only seems to be input volume | 17:28 |
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| dowellconning | Does it work for most people? | 17:29 |
| rothiel | Hey | 17:29 |
| rothiel | image = gtk_image_new_from_file ("./fond_push01.png"); | 17:29 |
| rothiel | I have a red cross instead of my png ;( | 17:29 |
| rothiel | is there an error ? | 17:30 |
| timeless | did you use strace o see if it's opening the file? | 17:30 |
| rothiel | no | 17:30 |
| timeless | well, is it opening the file ;-? | 17:30 |
| zoran | folks, I have a question about 770/last 2006 issue: it turns off just after I remove cover, despite I turned it off. | 17:30 |
| zoran | *turns _on_ | 17:31 |
| rothiel | I never used strace :p | 17:31 |
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| timeless | can you install it? | 17:31 |
| timeless | man/google will be your friends | 17:31 |
| rothiel | let me the time for man reading ^^ | 17:31 |
| timeless | sure | 17:31 |
| zoran | anybody saw this self-on fiture? | 17:32 |
| zoran | *feature | 17:32 |
| dowellconning | Zoran: Let me check on mine | 17:32 |
| zoran | k | 17:32 |
| alterego | zoran, the device should come out of suspend when you remove the cover. | 17:32 |
| alterego | It won't turn itself _on_ though. | 17:32 |
| bgm | hi, small newbie porting question: should I compile/dev from the n800, or from a desktop and cross-compile? | 17:32 |
| zoran | hm, never saw before | 17:32 |
| zoran | folks, I turn it off for sure | 17:33 |
| alterego | So if it's properly turned off it will not turn on when you take it out of the shell. | 17:33 |
| zoran | it did | 17:33 |
| dowellconning | Zoran: It doesn't do this on mine | 17:33 |
| zoran | :( | 17:33 |
| alterego | You've not turned it off properly. | 17:33 |
| zoran | probably | 17:33 |
| rothiel | bgm > from the scratchbox sdk (linux-only) | 17:33 |
| zoran | I did loooong press on the button | 17:34 |
| alterego | Is it plugged in to the mains? | 17:34 |
| zoran | no | 17:34 |
| zoran | and I tried with menu off | 17:34 |
| zoran | the same but not always | 17:34 |
| dowellconning | Also does anyone know where to get ukmp from? I can't find a repository. | 17:34 |
| zoran | jsut if I let it for hours in my table | 17:34 |
| bgm | rothiel: ok, thanks | 17:35 |
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| zoran | have I found and awoke some hidden process for house keeping? | 17:36 |
| dowellconning | Oh wait, here it is >_<; Sorry was being an idiot. | 17:36 |
| dowellconning | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/ukmp?get_installfile <- Doesn't work | 17:37 |
| dowellconning | Any repositories I can get UKMP from? | 17:37 |
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| zoran | I could confirm that my 770 stays down for whatever cover position: onsly the first cover remove in a day! | 17:39 |
| zoran | the last thing I noticed was an impossibility to refresh rep lists | 17:40 |
| dowellconning | You probably added a repository that was not compatiblea | 17:40 |
| dowellconning | *compatible | 17:40 |
| zoran | no | 17:40 |
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| dowellconning | ? | 17:41 |
| zoran | repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale | 17:41 |
| zoran | try to download anything from free | 17:41 |
| dowellconning | Did you include the final / | 17:41 |
| zoran | nothing changed in my conf | 17:41 |
| dowellconning | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/ | 17:41 |
| dowellconning | Rather than | 17:41 |
| dowellconning | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale | 17:42 |
| dowellconning | ? | 17:42 |
| zoran | download something from free | 17:42 |
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| dowellconning | It didn't work without the final / | 17:43 |
| zoran | no, I got access deny | 17:43 |
| dowellconning | Add the final / then | 17:43 |
| dowellconning | ? | 17:43 |
| zoran | take a browser to find the bin | 17:44 |
| zoran | just follow links one by one | 17:44 |
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| dowellconning | okay | 17:44 |
| zoran | ie:/free/a/apt/apt_0.6... | 17:45 |
| dowellconning | yes thats done | 17:45 |
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| zoran | you got the file? | 17:45 |
| dowellconning | yes | 17:46 |
| zoran | any of armel.deb? | 17:46 |
| zoran | not for me! | 17:46 |
| dowellconning | I got .all.deb | 17:46 |
| zoran | authorization required | 17:46 |
| dowellconning | Not for me | 17:46 |
| zoran | hm | 17:47 |
| zoran | lets try from another ip | 17:47 |
| dowellconning | What are we trying to accomplish? | 17:47 |
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| zoran | huh, from another ip I got this file! | 17:48 |
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| zoran | just, dunno what's going on | 17:49 |
| zoran | using my provider, I have no access to repositories | 17:50 |
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| zoran | connectiing from another box, it comes to me as a candy | 17:50 |
| zoran | hm, whatever browser/protocol I use, no luck from home address | 17:52 |
| dowellconning | Have a word with your ISP | 17:53 |
| zoran | monopolist guys | 17:53 |
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| zoran | "ah, you don;t want your internet?" | 17:54 |
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| zoran | does it change something if I open the cover from 770 in some angle? | 17:55 |
| alterego | What do you think? | 17:55 |
| zoran | if I change the angle, dod I switched something to turn on? | 17:56 |
| alterego | The behaviour you're describing sounds ridiculous zoran :P | 17:56 |
| zoran | yes | 17:56 |
| alterego | If you're unsure, read the manual. | 17:56 |
| zoran | it never happened before | 17:56 |
| alterego | Well you've broken it then haven't you. | 17:56 |
| alterego | Try flashing it. | 17:57 |
| alterego | (OS2007 HE) :P | 17:57 |
| zoran | dir month ago | 17:57 |
| zoran | ah! | 17:57 |
| dowellconning | Alterego: Is the 2007HE flash worth it? | 17:57 |
| zoran | I'll miss all of my command line apps | 17:57 |
| alterego | It's worth a try. | 17:57 |
| alterego | :) | 17:57 |
| alterego | I don't know, I've got an N800 | 17:58 |
| dowellconning | Ah kk | 17:58 |
| dowellconning | I think I'll stick with 2006 then :P | 17:58 |
| dowellconning | I haven't heard any good end user reports | 17:58 |
| zoran | if I don't have screen, mutt, lynx... no way | 17:58 |
| dowellconning | And my 770 is my main computer at the momnet | 17:58 |
| dowellconning | *moment | 17:58 |
| alterego | Why wouldn't you have 'screen', 'mutt' & 'lynx' ? | 17:58 |
| dowellconning | Very capable if you add a wireless kb | 17:58 |
| zoran | do they work on 2007? | 17:59 |
| alterego | OS2007 HE makes your 770 compatible with N800 packages. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2007HE is worth it. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Faster | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | better | 17:59 |
| zoran | no screen for 2007 | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | stronger. | 17:59 |
| alterego | Though OS2007 and OS2006 are mostly already compatible. | 17:59 |
| alterego | zoran, all your packages will work. | 17:59 |
| zoran | k | 18:00 |
| alterego | And if you're unhappy. Just flash it back to 2006 | 18:00 |
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| zoran | :) | 18:00 |
| zoran | I am happy in all ocasions | 18:00 |
| dowellconning | GeneralAntilles: Is it stable now? Also Skype would make my life allot easier, I'm racking up a huge phone bill calling people I know are on skype, but not on Google Talk XD | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's both more and less stable than 2006 | 18:01 |
| |R | anyone know if the stowaway bluetooth keyboard qui be configured not to timeout or to timeout at a longer interval? | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seatbelt solved a lot of the instabilities I was having, though. | 18:01 |
| alterego | Using it will only help improve stability. | 18:01 |
| alterego | Think of the others! | 18:01 |
| * Tak still needs to install seatbelt | 18:01 | |
| dowellconning | 'Seatbelt'? | 18:01 |
| alterego | Is seatbelt just for 770/OS2007HE? | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10317 | 18:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, alterego. | 18:02 |
| alterego | Thought as much. | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800 has enough RAM that it doesn't matter. | 18:02 |
| alterego | Interesting solution. | 18:02 |
| dowellconning | Thank you very much, thats very helpful =3 | 18:02 |
| alterego | Ah, so it just fixes memory issue. | 18:03 |
| zoran | paging solution? | 18:04 |
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| dolfun | is anybody working on a faster SNES emulator than Snes9x for maemo? | 18:06 |
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| Tak | I'm sure pupnik is | 18:07 |
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| Tak | what we need is some arm guru to come in and build us hand-optimized emulators | 18:08 |
| zoran | hm, what a way to change 3 options in vm | 18:08 |
| dowellconning | Oddly I am learning ARM assembler at the moment XD | 18:08 |
| appetkov | is it possible to use x2x on maemo? | 18:08 |
| dowellconning | Thats what they teach us at uni these days | 18:08 |
| czr | Tak, arm guru and hand-optimized is a funny pun :-) | 18:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish Logitech would stick a bluetooth transceiver in one of their gamepads. | 18:09 |
| Tak | ;-) @ czr | 18:09 |
| dowellconning | I don't know it yet though, I'm having a hard time understanding the hardware stuff they are teaching us, I hope that by the end of the academic year I will be more useful though | 18:10 |
| dowellconning | Has anyone had UKTUBE work? o_O; | 18:10 |
| dowellconning | It doesn't seem to do anything for me | 18:10 |
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| czr | dowellconning, arm is the first arch for you? | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have mplayer installed? | 18:11 |
| czr | hw/asm-wise I mean | 18:11 |
| dowellconning | czr: I knew a bit of PPC a few years back but then apple switched XD So yes ARM would be my first archetecture | 18:11 |
| czr | ah, well, it's not the simplest, but it's not the hardest either :-) | 18:11 |
| czr | the flexibility of "arm" is the only major problem | 18:12 |
| czr | you never quite know what you're working with :-) | 18:12 |
| suihkulokki | original arm was simple, now they have added all kinds of funny things | 18:12 |
| dowellconning | GeneralAntilles: No I don't, I didn't see it under it's dependancies o.o; I'll get it now | 18:12 |
| czr | yup | 18:12 |
| czr | very unlike MIPS. they've stayed the course. | 18:12 |
| dowellconning | At least it can divide unlike the P1 X3 | 18:13 |
| alterego | I still like ARM | 18:13 |
| * czr fell in love with epic. | 18:14 | |
| dowellconning | Well it is the most used chipset in the world o_O; | 18:14 |
| czr | too bad I don't get to use it very often. | 18:14 |
| alterego | Yes, I guess it is. | 18:14 |
| dowellconning | My tutor asked our class what the most used arch is and everyone said intel, I almost cried | 18:14 |
| alterego | I never really thought about that .. | 18:14 |
| czr | dowellconning, of course. since the correct answer would be "paper and pen" :-) | 18:15 |
| alterego | :) | 18:15 |
| dowellconning | czr: XD | 18:15 |
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| ||cw | well, most used depends on context | 18:15 |
| ||cw | if you are talking about desktops and servers, yes it's x86 | 18:15 |
| alterego | Pretty much everything depends on context. | 18:15 |
| dowellconning | I mean in terms of _all_ processor archs | 18:16 |
| ||cw | if you are talking about cpus in general for everthing, certainly arm | 18:16 |
| ||cw | there's a lot of routers and switches and other embeded systems out there | 18:16 |
| ||cw | even some scsi controlers | 18:16 |
| suihkulokki | cw, there can be multiple arm cores in your X86 pc.. | 18:16 |
| dowellconning | GeneralAntilles: It still crashes... Or if I untick "save file on memory card" it just hangs on 'initiating download..." | 18:17 |
| suihkulokki | raid controller, wlan chip, bluetooth chip, dvb tuner.. | 18:17 |
| czr | ppc is much more often used in networking though | 18:17 |
| ||cw | i wouldn't think bt or wlan would be complex enough to warrent an arm | 18:17 |
| czr | maybe arm is ok with small devices, but it runs out of steam pretty quickly. | 18:17 |
| dowellconning | GeneralAntilles: What version should I have? | 18:18 |
| ||cw | czr: in high end swicthes, yes, but there a lot more low end switches | 18:18 |
| suihkulokki | cw, prism54/marvell wlan have arm, csr bluethooth chips have arm | 18:18 |
| czr | ||cw, I know :-) | 18:18 |
| czr | a lot of stuff has MIPS nowadays too | 18:19 |
| czr | esp gigabit ethernet chips | 18:19 |
| czr | which I find somewhat ironic. | 18:19 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:19 |
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| Jaffa | Lots of STBs are running on ARM CPUs | 18:20 |
| suihkulokki | even powervr KYRO display adapter had a ARM core ticking in it | 18:21 |
| ||cw | interesting, I had no idea it was that pervasive | 18:22 |
| dowellconning | Anyone else have difficulties with UKTUBE? | 18:23 |
| dowellconning | For me it seems to be hanging on 'Initiating download...' | 18:23 |
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| Jaffa | dowellconning: I believe YouTube's changed its HTML, and the screenscraping isn't working. I've not looked, since I don't use YouTube on my tablet | 18:28 |
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| dowellconning | Jaffa: Thanks for the background there, I'll have a quick look for more information based on that, thanks =3 | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | There've been threads about it on ITT. | 18:29 |
| dowellconning | Thats where I am looking n.n | 18:30 |
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| dowellconning | Apparently it has been fixed in the aplha version | 18:33 |
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| * |R wonders if the OS2008 supporting headset also support callerID, remote control profiles (and vibrating if it's not the device doing that?) | 18:34 | |
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| dowellconning | Yes it's working now n.n Great. | 18:36 |
| dowellconning | I'd love to work on an Apple TV like client for this o.o; | 18:37 |
| * dowellconning shakes his head | 18:37 | |
| dowellconning | I need to get up to date on my uni work first XD | 18:37 |
| dowellconning | If I could get Flash 9 sound working then this thing would be the best portable device ever X3 | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | Flash is supposedly much improved in OS 2008 | 18:40 |
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| alterego | Yes, I can't wait :) | 18:43 |
| alterego | Not long now though. | 18:43 |
| alterego | Just a few more weeks :) | 18:43 |
| rothiel | bye | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leopard and OS2008 in the span of just a few short weeks. | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 18:44 |
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| dowellconning | Are you enjoying Leopard GeneralAntilles? X3 | 18:45 |
| dowellconning | Or meerly observing? | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's wunerful. | 18:45 |
| dowellconning | Yus X3 | 18:45 |
| dowellconning | Did you go to a launch / get the T-Shirt or were you sensible and pre-ordrered it? | 18:46 |
| * Jaffa wonders which is going to be the biggest disappointment: not getting a promotion (I'd be lucky to, but I *am* good ;-)), or OS 2008. | 18:46 | |
| Jaffa | and/or not getting an N810 | 18:46 |
| dowellconning | I just got my 770 XD | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Preordered. I'm not that crazy. :P | 18:47 |
| dowellconning | Like, last week o_o; | 18:47 |
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| dowellconning | GeneralAntilles: I went XD I was in the Manchester Arndale Apple Store, there were around 300 people there o_O; | 18:48 |
| dowellconning | Only 20 of them infront of me luckily =3 | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I did buy the Public Beta, though. ;) | 18:49 |
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| * |R wish there was a setting for power when plugged in and not ... | 19:23 | |
| Tak | somebody made an applet iirc | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a daemon somewhere. | 19:24 |
| rafl | may I ask how long your n800s batteries approximately last in online mode while being idle? | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3-4 days? | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Soft power off | 19:29 |
| |R | yeah, i'd say 3 days of idling | 19:29 |
| alterego | Shiz | 19:29 |
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| rafl | hrm. my batteries are quite new and only last for less than a day while being idle | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it doing something? | 19:30 |
| rafl | but 5-7 days in offline mode | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | What sort of connection? | 19:30 |
| rafl | just idling with wifi enabled | 19:30 |
| rafl | wpa2 eap-tls, if that's what you wanted to know. | 19:30 |
| L0cutus | what do you mean with "Soft Power Off" ? | 19:30 |
| L0cutus | when the screen goes off ? | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a setting for it. | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Change the power-key long-press to basically the same thing as the 770 cover. | 19:31 |
| rafl | also note that I needed to reduce the wifi power saving settings to make the device work with my aps. | 19:32 |
| L0cutus | when i press the on/off key i have 4 choices | 19:32 |
| rafl | now wifi works well but the battery life sucks that way. | 19:32 |
| L0cutus | 1) lock touch screen & keys | 19:32 |
| L0cutus | 2) Offline mode | 19:32 |
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| L0cutus | 3) Lock device | 19:32 |
| alterego | I have reset too. | 19:32 |
| alterego | Didn't bother with the soft off. | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10317 | 19:32 |
| L0cutus | 4) shutdown | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ups | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/mce/mce.ini | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is the config file you want. | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Change the long-press delay to something like 300ms | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes it incredibly easy to pocket the device quickly. | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, rafl, that would be you're explanation. :\ | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | *your | 19:34 |
| rafl | i guess so | 19:35 |
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| rafl | still I wonder what a better fix would be so I could have better wifi power management and working wifi. | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | A better AP? | 19:36 |
| alterego | Beautiful .. | 19:37 |
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| rafl | GeneralAntilles: the ap is just a linux which worked with every device so far. | 19:41 |
| rafl | GeneralAntilles: i'd like to fix this issue on the ap side, but I have no idea how as I really don't know what's actually causing the problem. | 19:41 |
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| dowellconning | What sound system does IT OS 2006 use? OSS? | 19:49 |
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| Robot101 | dowellconning: nothing really in that sense, sound is played through the DSP, which is either accessed with esd (for clicks and beeps), gstreamer (with dsp src/sink elements which load certain codecs in the DSP) or through libasound plugins for PCM data | 19:50 |
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| dowellconning | Hmm... The thing is that I am getting no sound from Flash | 19:51 |
| dowellconning | So I don't know how I would even start going about fixing that if the sound support is all in hardware | 19:51 |
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| Mikho | wtf? join flood? | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | netsplit | 19:51 |
| Robot101 | Mikho: netsplit | 19:51 |
| dowellconning | Netsplit | 19:51 |
| Robot101 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit | 19:52 |
| Tak | dowellconning: esd and gstreamer | 19:52 |
| Tak | I didn't think os2006 had any libasound? | 19:52 |
| dowellconning | My normal approach is useless here XD | 19:53 |
| Mikho | wow, 237 nicks on channel | 19:53 |
| dowellconning | I have no experiences with these... | 19:53 |
| Tak | dowellconning: heh, yeah, that's kind of the reaction I had... | 19:53 |
| Robot101 | Tak: ah right I think that was new in os2007 | 19:55 |
| dowellconning | Anyone had an experience with flash not playing sound? | 19:55 |
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| * Tak didn't bother to try flash on 770 | 19:56 | |
| dowellconning | Unfortiently I got my 770 only last week | 19:57 |
| dowellconning | The video seems to play perfectly fine in low detail mode (checking it against homestarrunner.com) | 19:57 |
| dowellconning | But no audio at all | 19:58 |
| |R | headset profile will be supported in 2008 but is handfree going to be supported too? :) | 20:00 |
| * |R is trying to make sense of the 12654 profiles that exists :P | 20:00 | |
| |R | http://blog.treonauts.com/2007/07/blueant-v12-lcd.html <- with something like this and an n800 in the backpack, in could be used as a complete phone (well no dialing but for answering :) | 20:01 |
| L0cutus | does sealtbelt is useful on n800 ? | 20:02 |
| dowellconning | No, it's a memory fix for running IT OS 2007 on the 770 | 20:03 |
| dowellconning | It has no use on the n800 | 20:03 |
| L0cutus | ok, thanks | 20:05 |
| Tak | hmm, I had the impression that the swappiness adjustments would be useful for high-memory-usage situations on the N800 as well | 20:05 |
| L0cutus | what is the max size of swap file on n800 ? 128 ? | 20:05 |
| |R | yep | 20:06 |
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| L0cutus | how to exit from mc into xterm ?!?! ;) | 20:09 |
| L0cutus | mmm i thin F10 is hide into non-fullscreen mode... | 20:09 |
| L0cutus | think* | 20:09 |
| |R | ctr-c ? | 20:10 |
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| L0cutus | no | 20:10 |
| |R | or just type exit ? | 20:10 |
| L0cutus | ctrl-c doesn't work :) | 20:10 |
| L0cutus | neither exit | 20:10 |
| |R | arf | 20:10 |
| |R | exit works on my pc but not un n800 hehe 2 sec :P | 20:10 |
| |R | try "killall mc" | 20:11 |
| |R | haha | 20:11 |
| |R | it worked | 20:11 |
| L0cutus | lol | 20:11 |
| |R | (yeah i know, not very clean :P) | 20:11 |
| L0cutus | found ! | 20:13 |
| L0cutus | if you tap just after the F9 key it work :) | 20:13 |
| |R | which kbd ? | 20:13 |
| L0cutus | on the bottom of screen | 20:14 |
| L0cutus | you see "9PullDn" | 20:15 |
| L0cutus | you must tap after it | 20:15 |
| L0cutus | on dx | 20:15 |
| L0cutus | thanks for the softpoweroff tip GeneralAntilles :) | 20:16 |
| |R | which tip?:) | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure. | 20:16 |
| L0cutus | |R: to softpoweroff the device | 20:17 |
| L0cutus | (using the on/off button) | 20:17 |
| disq | softpoweroff? | 20:17 |
| * disq <3 softpoweroff | 20:17 | |
| disq | where's _monkey? split? | 20:18 |
| |R | click power -> Power Off? | 20:18 |
| |R | instead of 3 sec ? | 20:18 |
| |R | or the reverse? | 20:19 |
| L0cutus | you must edit /etc/mce/mce.ini | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hold down powerkey for the same behavior as the 770 cover. | 20:19 |
| L0cutus | you can setup the longpress duration and also its behaviour | 20:20 |
| L0cutus | i hev set to 300 | 20:20 |
| L0cutus | (msec?) | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ms, yeah. | 20:20 |
| |R | any idea if it's possible to change the stowaway keyboard timeouts ? | 20:21 |
| L0cutus | gconf | 20:21 |
| L0cutus | but it still ddddddppppppwwwwww :) | 20:21 |
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| |R | haha, how come? :) | 20:21 |
| L0cutus | bug #2166 | 20:22 |
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| L0cutus | vote,vote,vote ! -> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2166 | 20:23 |
| L0cutus | :) | 20:23 |
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| alterego | What do people use to encode video for the 770? | 21:07 |
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| alterego | Wow, my karma has gone up again. | 21:15 |
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| alterego | I'm not even doing anything! :D | 21:15 |
| ||cw | 770encode.sh | 21:16 |
| alterego | Yeah, I found an article about it. | 21:17 |
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| |R | link?:) | 21:20 |
| alterego | Actually, it's just a mailing list email. | 21:22 |
| alterego | http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2006-05/msg00049.html | 21:22 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: 770-encode's becoming tablet-encode and has moved to garage: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ (along with mediaserv) | 21:29 |
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| |R | http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Multimedia:Converting_videos_to_Nokia_770_format | 21:30 |
| keesj | is tablet is a registered trademark? | 21:30 |
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| alterego | Jaffa, thanks. | 21:32 |
| keesj | I would like to know who people here feel about the "repository mess thread"? | 21:32 |
| alterego | That's a big thread. | 21:33 |
| alterego | That's what I think about it. | 21:33 |
| keesj | :) I don't really like that kind of threads. I do care about the result | 21:34 |
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| keesj | I think the current process is to hard and that the proposed change only will make it harder | 21:35 |
| alterego | In what way hard? | 21:35 |
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| ||cw | whats' the proposed change? | 21:36 |
| ||cw | I'd like ot see the repo's handled like other distro's, with maintainers that access to the main repo | 21:37 |
| keesj | in on sentence the last proposal is to create an extra testing repo and create an interface to propote packages | 21:37 |
| keesj | promote | 21:37 |
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| alterego | Ah, for quality of packages. | 21:37 |
| ||cw | personally, I like ubuntu's approach | 21:37 |
| alterego | Seems like a good idea. | 21:38 |
| trevarthan | dude, does anyone have a deb containing `patch` for the n800? | 21:38 |
| keesj | ||cw: how does that do? | 21:38 |
| ||cw | main univer multiverse | 21:38 |
| alterego | I'd suggest they have trusted members of the community audit packages too. | 21:38 |
| keesj | ||cw: and who build the packages? | 21:38 |
| ||cw | mail has ubuntu approved stable apps, universe has trusted apps that have had some testing, multiverse has whatever seems to compile | 21:38 |
| ||cw | the maintainers | 21:38 |
| ||cw | s/mail/main/ | 21:39 |
| keesj | I understand. so a developer would request help from a maintainer to create the packaging kind of stuff? | 21:40 |
| ||cw | I'm guessing there are certain tests that have to be passed beofre a packages can be put in universe and main | 21:40 |
| keesj | maemo it still a pretty little eco-system | 21:40 |
| alterego | Yeah, and it's not ever likely to become that big. | 21:40 |
| ||cw | in a lot of cases, the maintain just builds the package, the developer might not even know about it | 21:40 |
| ||cw | and a maintainer often maintains multiple packages, building packages is not hard, but doing right for one OS is important | 21:41 |
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| alterego | So you think we should have package maintainers seperate from developers? | 21:42 |
| alterego | I suppose that has it's benifits in some ways. | 21:42 |
| ||cw | as roles in the system, sure, but they could be the same person | 21:42 |
| alterego | I think having the extras repository opens up some nice possibilities. | 21:43 |
| ||cw | makes bug tracking easier too, bugs get assigned to the maintainer, then they have to check if it's a packaging issue or if there is an upstream patch | 21:43 |
| alterego | Like dynamically organising the garage from .deb meta information. | 21:43 |
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| ||cw | I think this works because I don't think nokia or maemo want to take on building and testing all these apps. just define standards and the community have some access | 21:44 |
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| lcdd | the distinction between ubuntu's universe and multiverse is in licensing. only non-free software in the latter | 21:45 |
| ||cw | as another example, Xandros build everything themselves. what goes in "main" is fully support by Xandros staff. but they also have an unsupported repo where all they do is an automated rebuild of debian testing apps and ofter them untested | 21:46 |
| keesj | I just want unzip mount and gasp :p | 21:46 |
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| ||cw | lcdd: I thought there was more than just non-free in there | 21:47 |
| keesj | Ok. "we" miss something like the "automated rebuild of debian testing apps" for standard libs | 21:47 |
| lcdd | ||cw: it might include stuff that depends on non-free components to be fully functional | 21:48 |
| keesj | I miss :p | 21:48 |
| ||cw | keesj: I'm not sure that's someone maemo has the resources to do, since someone has to decide what's standard | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | keesj: even without an auto-builder, extras-testing could mean we can push more unpolished mud-built stuff there (and finish the effort on the auto-building side), and then let the community promote the finished stuff to extras proper | 21:49 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: yes, but that is just adding more and more code/effort. but it is possible | 21:50 |
| ||cw | anything that uses one repo, even with a few tags, is simpler than the tree of repo's there are now | 21:51 |
| keesj | I like the first idea to just create one big upload button , a kind of upload-wiki | 21:51 |
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| keesj | I guess I am just ready for mamona/oe :p | 21:54 |
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| trevarthan | http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Patch | 21:57 |
| trevarthan | patch for the n800 can be found here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Patch | 21:58 |
| trevarthan | patch? | 21:58 |
| trevarthan | huh. no monkey | 21:58 |
| trevarthan | anyway, there it is if anyone wants it. | 21:58 |
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| keesj | thanks for the opinions | 22:05 |
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| p| | re | 22:33 |
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| p| | someone know if does exist 'md5sum' command ? | 22:43 |
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| |R | p| : none that i found, it would have to be compiled or extracted from debian archives | 22:46 |
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| p| | seems it is part of coreutils | 22:49 |
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| p| | hdparm does exists for maemo ? | 23:19 |
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| ||cw | it doens't have an hdd so why would it need that | 23:20 |
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| p| | ||cw: to test SD ? | 23:38 |
| ||cw | only think you could test is the interface speed, and it's not an accurate test anyway | 23:38 |
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| Atarii | Is it possible to flash the 770 with any mini usb cable? | 23:44 |
| suihkulokki | yes | 23:44 |
| sp3000 | http://maemo.org/ -> downloads -> games = 404 | 23:45 |
| sp3000 | is that tracked | 23:45 |
| sp3000 | ? | 23:45 |
| Atarii | Phew, im away from home and 4got my, but now need to reflash | 23:45 |
| * sp3000 actually wanted to find $game just now :( | 23:45 | |
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| sp3000 | (also, yay for the first time ever I was interested in browsing via tags) | 23:46 |
| sp3000 | ok, who wrote "Monkey is are eating my hair" (with contraction) into the maemo bugzilla quip db | 23:49 |
| unit42 | Try http://maemo.org/downloads/product/$OSVER/$game -> like http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/icebreaker/ | 23:49 |
| sp3000 | if I knew the name, sure :) | 23:50 |
| timeless | i know who | 23:50 |
| unit42 | Try browsing http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2006/games | 23:50 |
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| unit42 | Or OS2007 ... | 23:50 |
| timeless | sp3000: do you really care? | 23:50 |
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| sp3000 | heh | 23:51 |
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| sp3000 | unit42: ok, so the site linking to http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/downloads/games/ in the tag cloud ui is broken | 23:52 |
| unit42 | Yep. | 23:53 |
| sp3000 | bug#? | 23:53 |
| unit42 | Didn't check bugzilla yet. | 23:53 |
| * sp3000 didn't find one during dinnner nor after it | 23:54 | |
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| sp3000 | but thanks :) | 23:54 |
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| unit42 | I'll check it. If there's really no one. I will open one. | 23:55 |
| sp3000 | I have one written so | 23:55 |
| unit42 | Ah, ok. | 23:55 |
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| sp3000 | but dinner includes wine which affects searches so go ahead with that ;) | 23:56 |
| timeless | heh | 23:57 |
| p| | i'm a bit confused... | 23:57 |
| p| | what are the best SD for n800 ? | 23:58 |
| p| | class 4,class 6 , extreme III ecc... | 23:58 |
| |R | a yet to be released 32GB sdhc :P~ | 23:58 |
| p| | not so simple :) | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just buy whatever fits your budget. | 23:58 |
| * sp3000 understands pipeR but ppipe...? | 23:59 | |
| p| | |R: does n800 see 32gb shdc ?!? | 23:59 |
| |R | sp3000 haha | 23:59 |
| |R | p| : no reasons it shouldn't... | 23:59 |
| p| | GeneralAntilles: i need it for the internal slot | 23:59 |
| |R | p| : but they're only comming in 2 months | 23:59 |
| p| | so best speed | 23:59 |
| |R | (I'm being optimistic ;) | 23:59 |
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