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| Lateralus | Is there any tutorial or howto for the chinook api as relates to home applets? Almost every library for pre-chinook development is gone. Is there a source example anywhere? | 01:38 |
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| Lateralus | I've found a bit of information at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPluginHowto | 01:43 |
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| rafl | so what's needed to get an application I've got to run on my n800 onto http://maemo.org/downloads/? | 01:50 |
| Lateralus | rafl: http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/developer-manual.html | 01:53 |
| rafl | Lateralus++ # thanks | 01:53 |
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| Lateralus | Is anyone aware of what include files are used to use the home applet legacy API (hildon_home_applet_lib_initialize, etc)? | 04:49 |
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| sparr | i think im going to sell my 770s | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | They make wonderful couch/nightstand machines. | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blue the extra batteries for your N800. | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Blue/Plus | 05:59 |
| pupnik | for the OMAP geeks, i just saw that TI demonstrated OMAP 3430s running up to 1GHz | 06:02 |
| pupnik | But afaict production units will be much lower at first. | 06:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Still, sweet. | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only the N810 had been the N900. :D | 06:07 |
| pupnik | yeah by oct 2008 i expect we can have dosbox running at 386 speeds | 06:09 |
| pupnik | along with fullspeed 8/16 bit console emulation, fullspeed amiga, fullspeed playstation 1 | 06:11 |
| pupnik | quake 3 with opengl etc | 06:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It'll be like carrying around a little magical rectangle. | 06:12 |
| pupnik | that's exactly how i feel about my 770 :) | 06:12 |
| pupnik | little magical rectangle is my phrase of the day :) thx | 06:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:13 |
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| zerojay | Internet Tablet Talk (itT) will be moving to a bigger, faster server this weekend. Thanks to everyone, the site has grown exponentially. The site will have limited access from 12:01 AM (EST) of 10/27/2007 and hopefully be back by 10/29/2008 or earlier. | 08:14 |
| zerojay | 10/29/2008? An update that takes a year? ;) | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're approaching a black hole | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | So time's slowing down for them. | 08:15 |
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| pupnik | good one :) | 08:34 |
| pupnik | That's my kinda deadline. | 08:34 |
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| czr | mornink | 09:45 |
| czr | maybe they're just being extra careful while copy-pasting each article content with notepad to the new server | 09:46 |
| czr | or, even better, they print out everything on paper and rewrite it to the new system | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | OCR FTW | 09:48 |
| czr | the C in OCR reminds me that I need to put the coffee on | 09:49 |
| czr | in order not to be caught by the black hole | 09:50 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:40 |
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| bedboi | hi all | 12:25 |
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| pupnik | Anyone planning to fly within the US? http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/10/22/prior-permission-from-government-to-be-required-for-each-flight/ | 13:09 |
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| unique311 | morning | 13:10 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 13:10 |
| unique311 | monkey es un roboto. | 13:10 |
| pupnik | The Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security are quietly pushing for a set of crazy new rules. All travellers in the U.S. will be required to get government-issued credentials and official clearance before every flight, both within the United States as well as internationally. | 13:10 |
| unique311 | lol | 13:11 |
| unique311 | thank god i don't travel. | 13:11 |
| unique311 | international that is.. | 13:11 |
| unique311 | NWO bring it on. | 13:11 |
| unique311 | why would this be needed for national flights.. | 13:12 |
| pupnik | <click> | 13:12 |
| pupnik | Just you know - some people here might want to make business trips | 13:13 |
| pupnik | and then consider buying a n810 instead and just doing the meeting over video chat | 13:13 |
| unique311 | pretty sure thats not going to happen. | 13:14 |
| pupnik | videoconferencing | 13:14 |
| unique311 | the new rules | 13:14 |
| pupnik | It's bin finalized. They go into effect Feb 19, 2008 | 13:15 |
| pupnik | Ron Paul just introduced a bill to the congress to restore the Bill of Rights and the Constitution | 13:15 |
| unique311 | good news...i'm over playing videos on my n800....yesterday a friend gave me a brand new ipod video...30GB | 13:16 |
| unique311 | so happy.. | 13:16 |
| pupnik | that's pretty expensive | 13:17 |
| unique311 | not that expensive i don't think.. | 13:17 |
| unique311 | i'll give it up in a heartbeat...for a touch.. | 13:17 |
| unique311 | 8GB | 13:18 |
| gla55 | display is small on video ipod | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | No kidding | 13:18 |
| unique311 | yeah..but it plays video so well..i don't mind it being. | 13:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 plays video well, too. | 13:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it has a bigger screen. ;) | 13:19 |
| unique311 | lots of already converted video if you know where to look. | 13:19 |
| unique311 | GeneralAntilles, you have a comeback for that one? ;) | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Jaffa's mediaserv. | 13:20 |
| unique311 | danm... | 13:20 |
| unique311 | damn | 13:20 |
| gla55 | the bonus on video ipod is of course that you have storage... | 13:20 |
| unique311 | hey it was free....i am happy very much. still love my n800... | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | re-encoder for the N800 is faster than bittorrenting for iPod movies, anyway. ;) | 13:21 |
| unique311 | no.. | 13:21 |
| unique311 | google torrentflux my friend.. | 13:22 |
| unique311 | i would go into details...but im not sure if these type of talks are allowed. | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish I still had my connection at home so I could send the transcoded video over the internet. | 13:25 |
| unique311 | hmm the 27... | 13:28 |
| unique311 | so one thread in IT was wrong about the new OS making its debut on the 26. | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only. | 13:30 |
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| _|Nix|_ | rxvt | 14:44 |
| _|Nix|_ | Sorry :o) | 14:44 |
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| * alterego wonders if it's possible to run the SDK through a tablet. | 15:18 | |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles/pupnik: IT OS 2008 can also apparently play, for example, PSP-targetted videos from Google Video etc. | 15:35 |
| alterego | oooOOOOoooo | 15:36 |
| alterego | :) | 15:36 |
| alterego | What is up with glibc in the maemo 4 SDK. | 15:50 |
| alterego | qemu is throwing up unsupported syscalls all over the place. | 15:50 |
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| chx | with the Nokia N810, does anyone know whether Google maps and GPS is connected? ie. does google maps know automatically where i am? | 17:03 |
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| Jaffa | NAFAIK. There's no Google Maps application, so nothing to look at the GPS. | 17:04 |
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| chx | well, there is the Opera browser -- I thought maybe they did something... cool.... a change to the browser... a plugin... to make this psosible | 17:05 |
| chx | would be awesome | 17:05 |
| Robot101 | chx: a seperate app like a Google Maps application or something like Maemo mapper can do that, but there's no way to read the GPS location from inside the browser | 17:05 |
| Robot101 | the browser is Mozilla-based in the N810 | 17:05 |
| Robot101 | so you could always submit a patch :) | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | The N810 doesn't have Opera ;-). Exposing user's co-ordinates to every random website would be a massive breach of privacy, too. | 17:05 |
| chx | oh. | 17:05 |
| chx | without a doubt. | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | but I think it's more likely that people will write standalone apps | 17:06 |
| chx | surely there needs to be control | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | Could be whitelisted, though - I suppose. Could be cool; but there's no standard for it | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | we've been playing with the idea of adding some support for location into Telepathy | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | particularly on XMPP there's a standard for publishing geoloc stuff | 17:06 |
| chx | Telepathy? | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | put your buddies on a map, that kind of thing :) | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | the real-time communications framework that the N8x0 and 770 uses | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | for XMPP and SIP as shipped | 17:07 |
| chx | Ah, OK | 17:07 |
| chx | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ this? | 17:07 |
| Robot101 | yeah | 17:07 |
| chx | I am not happy over the browser being Mozilla based :( Opera is far superior IMO but ah well. | 17:08 |
| * Jaffa very strongly disagrees. | 17:08 | |
| Robot101 | there's an abstraction layer, you can probably copy opera off an N800 and onto the N810 image and convince it to use it still, with some hackery, but I think the Nokians were right to support free software | 17:09 |
| Robot101 | mozilla's not gonna get better unless people use it | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | I can understand people saying Opera is superior on the desktop (where it provides feature X, Y and Z that - say - Firefox doesn't), but I want a web browser that works with more websites on my tablet; and that's Mozilla, not Opera. | 17:09 |
| chx | Well, could be. I am an Opera user on my desktop and it indeed provides a much more integrated experience than firefox. It's like a quality furcoat compared to a patchwork coat | 17:11 |
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| zoran | you could always change the way you see the things | 17:12 |
| alterego | Firefox has come a long way. | 17:12 |
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| alterego | Microbe isn't firefox though :P | 17:13 |
| alterego | Microbe is like firefox in that we can write extensions for it. That is sweet. | 17:13 |
| chx | and I am a FLOSS developer... which probably explains my disdain towards Mozilla -- severe bugs open for years makes me go :( | 17:13 |
| eichi | hello, i cant delete or move files on my sd card. it allways says: write-protected. i dont think so.. :( mount says, its rw mounted | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | Microb is like Firefox in that it has a shiny Gecko rendering engine. As a web developer, that's what I like most. Although, I've been bitten by long-standing bugs too. | 17:13 |
| alterego | Yeah | 17:14 |
| zoran | eichi, it says all | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | eichi: perhaps the file is write-protected? | 17:14 |
| chx | anyways. I can't wait to put my hand on two new Nokia gadgets -- E51 being the other. | 17:14 |
| playya | eichi, maybe the switch on the card? | 17:14 |
| chx | playya: i do not think mount would mount rw a physically write protected card. | 17:15 |
| playya | maybe | 17:15 |
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| chx | My favorite question: anyone tried to put the full LAMP stack on the N810 already? | 17:17 |
| zoran | chx, there is a small number of people traveling into the future | 17:17 |
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| * Robot101 is looking forward to the 6500 phone, it should go nicely with his N810 :) | 17:19 | |
| zoran | what P stands for? php or perl? | 17:19 |
| Robot101 | zoran: yeah, or python | 17:19 |
| eichi | playya, nice idea with hardare switch. i tried, but doenst help | 17:19 |
| zoran | so, everything is already here | 17:19 |
| chx | PHP | 17:19 |
| zoran | there is smaller server instead of apache | 17:20 |
| chx | I so want mysql-server , webserver (apache preferred but i am not picky) and PHP on it. | 17:20 |
| Robot101 | why?! | 17:20 |
| zoran | hm, little one script db instead :( | 17:20 |
| celesteh | you want to serve websites from your n8x0? | 17:21 |
| chx | no. type /whois chx . | 17:21 |
| zoran | chx, you could have small factor pc for not so big sum of money | 17:21 |
| * chx wants to develop Drupal without a laptop. | 17:21 | |
| chx | zoran: 4" 800x480 screen PC , where? | 17:21 |
| celesteh | ah, ok. reasonable | 17:21 |
| zoran | yep | 17:21 |
| chx | esp with a *keyboard* | 17:22 |
| zoran | ah, I see! | 17:22 |
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| zoran | but you need just server side | 17:22 |
| chx | yes, this is a PHP CMS | 17:22 |
| chx | use case: you are standing in some queue. | 17:22 |
| chx | it's a waste of time -- but it can be used for perfectly to quickly fix a bug or two | 17:22 |
| zoran | to go somewhere and say: 'Take a look, folks, what this dude has!" | 17:23 |
| Robot101 | ssh? :) | 17:23 |
| chx | that's not always available | 17:23 |
| chx | zoran: for that I have my laptop already, thanks. :) | 17:23 |
| zoran | how E51 comes into the story? | 17:23 |
| chx | I need a phone to connect | 17:23 |
| chx | one that has decent connectivity options | 17:24 |
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| zoran | looks similar to 6120 | 17:24 |
| chx | out of the available HSDPA phones , E51 seems best. | 17:24 |
| celesteh | you might be able to cross compile ins cratchbox | 17:24 |
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| disq | e51 out yet? | 17:24 |
| chx | no, but is N810 out yet :) ? | 17:24 |
| zoran | I see it on the local phone site | 17:25 |
| disq | dunno, 6120classic looks nice. but doesn't have wireless like the e51 does | 17:25 |
| * Robot101 would like an E65 with HSDPA :) | 17:25 | |
| chx | and E51 --compared to knowledge-- is cheap. | 17:25 |
| zoran | what sum of $? | 17:25 |
| chx | zoran: where do you see it...? | 17:25 |
| zoran | www.mobilnisvet.com | 17:25 |
| suihkulokki | disq: for wireless you allways have your tablet ;) | 17:26 |
| zoran | hm, not in the store yet | 17:26 |
| chx | I have seen E51 on ebay.de for 280EUR or so. | 17:26 |
| zoran | little big to be sexy | 17:26 |
| chx | http://cgi.ebay.de/Handy-Nokia-E51-EMAIL-WLAN-MP3-PLAYER-UMTS_W0QQitemZ130166549903QQihZ003QQcategoryZ123141QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 17:26 |
| zoran | 6233 could do the job with 3g | 17:28 |
| zoran | similar outlook | 17:28 |
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| gla55 | e51 is pretty small | 17:30 |
| zoran | 114 | 17:31 |
| zoran | almost 1 cm more than 6233 | 17:31 |
| gla55 | thinner than 6233 | 17:31 |
| gla55 | 108 x 46.5 x 18 mm | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | mediaserv v0.04 out: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=87743&posted=1#post87743 - will do proper announcement on maemopeople when I've taken a video demonstrating it. | 17:31 |
| gla55 | thats 6233, e51 115 x 47 x 12 mm | 17:31 |
| zoran | lemme c | 17:32 |
| zoran | 108x46x18 | 17:32 |
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| eichi | if i try "rm -rf" it says. cant remove, read-only filesystem | 17:33 |
| eichi | :( | 17:33 |
| disq | suihkulokki: i'm not a fan of wifi capable phones, just saying | 17:34 |
| chx | eichi: what capacity...? | 17:34 |
| gla55 | most of the ime it's useless.. if you got 3g coverage and a good plan | 17:34 |
| chx | disq: it's nice to have at hand. just in case. | 17:34 |
| gla55 | +t | 17:34 |
| chx | Well, check Canada data plans and ... you need wifi there . | 17:35 |
| zoran | eichi, did you "mount -r"? | 17:35 |
| eichi | chx, 2gb | 17:35 |
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| eichi | zoran, ? | 17:35 |
| zoran | did you mount it read only? | 17:35 |
| zoran | and what fs? | 17:35 |
| eichi | mount says (rw) | 17:36 |
| eichi | vfat | 17:36 |
| chx | eichi: ah. i asked because ther are nonstandard 4GB SD cards (not SDHC) I own one and various devices go bonkers with various errors | 17:36 |
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| eichi | chx, maybe this one is too. but it worked many weeks now without problems | 17:36 |
| eichi | but now it doesnt work at all | 17:37 |
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| zoran | eichi, could you make ext2 on it? | 17:37 |
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| zoran | nokia shows picture of e51 | 17:39 |
| eichi | zoran, i dont know, wheater the n800 can use ext2/3 | 17:39 |
| zoran | it can | 17:39 |
| zoran | you just need extra libs | 17:39 |
| zoran | and load the module | 17:39 |
| * alterego would like the notes application to have multiple windows .. | 17:40 | |
| playya | the ext lib are shipped with maemo dont they? | 17:41 |
| zoran | what phone would be fine for 770/800/810 + 3g | 17:41 |
| alterego | I think people like the N95 | 17:42 |
| playya | yes | 17:42 |
| * Jiten personally uses 6120 classic right now | 17:43 | |
| playya | the n95 8gb is great | 17:43 |
| zoran | abput 450 euros | 17:43 |
| playya | or an openmoko | 17:43 |
| _Monkey | an openmoko is NeoStrider's phone of choice =-) | 17:43 |
| zoran | could Jiten say his personal opinion about 6120? | 17:43 |
| alterego | Are they even out yet? | 17:43 |
| eichi | zoran, e2fslibs and e2fsprogs? | 17:43 |
| zoran | yes | 17:43 |
| zoran | to make fs | 17:43 |
| zoran | ans sfdisk to make partitions | 17:44 |
| alterego | I just used my laptop. | 17:44 |
| Jiten | opinion on which parts? I haven't really used it for much else than normal phonecalling and as an alarm clock (it's missing a timer, though that's probably easy to fix by downloading a timer program) | 17:44 |
| Jiten | other than that, it has hsdpa | 17:44 |
| zoran | are you happy with that? | 17:44 |
| alterego | Handy feature when it's plugged into USB .. | 17:45 |
| zoran | battery and all people do to phone | 17:45 |
| Jiten | yes, very. especially now since I've just moved and ADSL is lagging a couple of days | 17:45 |
| chx | Nokia 6301 seems interesting, too | 17:45 |
| chx | Not 3G, though...? | 17:46 |
| zoran | Jiten, is it a quality made phone? | 17:46 |
| Jiten | anyway, battery life. 3G mode if you just use it as a phone, you'll be recharging it once or twice a week. More if you talk a lot. | 17:46 |
| zoran | not so much | 17:47 |
| zoran | how about no 3g mode? | 17:47 |
| Jiten | 2G mode the battery lasts at least a week in my use. | 17:47 |
| zoran | cool | 17:47 |
| alterego | 1G mode? | 17:47 |
| Jiten | I don't call muich | 17:47 |
| zoran | 1g mode == talk in person | 17:48 |
| Jiten | anyway, the phone feels solid. | 17:48 |
| alterego | Yeah, how does it fair in that regard? | 17:48 |
| Jiten | (physically) | 17:48 |
| zoran | and the traffic is low that way | 17:49 |
| Jiten | much better built than my old el cheapo model :) | 17:49 |
| zoran | in hungary | 17:49 |
| chx | After looking around for all , I still feel like buying an E51 :) | 17:49 |
| zoran | reviewers say slipy back cover | 17:49 |
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| Jiten | in 6120? slippy as in slips off accidentally and often? not possible. | 17:50 |
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| zoran | moves for 1 or mm | 17:50 |
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| Jiten | my strength is barely enough to get it off. | 17:50 |
| zoran | in revews | 17:50 |
| zoran | I like it as you talk about it | 17:50 |
| zoran | reviews say a lot of things | 17:50 |
| zoran | totally opsite one to another | 17:51 |
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| Jiten | it does move a bit, but less than a mm | 17:51 |
| Jiten | not enough to notice unless you try moving it | 17:51 |
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| zoran | the most concerning to me is: does it heat as reviews say? | 17:52 |
| zoran | some people post they cannot hold it by ear | 17:52 |
| alterego | I'm not so much a fan of the E series. | 17:52 |
| alterego | Too blackberry like .. | 17:52 |
| alterego | Which I don't like either. | 17:52 |
| zoran | e51 looks like 6120 | 17:52 |
| zoran | if look buys, I'd take 6233 | 17:53 |
| chx | alterego: what's the catch? | 17:53 |
| alterego | chx, ? | 17:53 |
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| Jiten | zoran: it does tend to heat sometimes ... though not always. I'm not completely sure what causes it. | 17:54 |
| suihkulokki | heat? wtf? atleast my 6120 doesn't. | 17:54 |
| Jiten | at the moment I suspect signal strength | 17:54 |
| alterego | O_o | 17:54 |
| alterego | Maybe your battery is frying. | 17:54 |
| alterego | You should be careful | 17:55 |
| zoran | people thing the speaker | 17:55 |
| zoran | *think | 17:55 |
| zoran | or strong cpu | 17:55 |
| Jiten | the cpu is the same speed as in n800 | 17:56 |
| zoran | arm11 | 17:56 |
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| zoran | suihkulokki, could you find where your phone is made? | 17:57 |
| suihkulokki | hungary, methinks | 17:57 |
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| zoran | yes, reviews point that | 17:57 |
| chx | Yes. Komarom. | 17:57 |
| chx | In some distant past I was Hungarian | 17:58 |
| zoran | lived there? | 17:59 |
| chx | born there | 17:59 |
| suihkulokki | mm.. at home and work (the places I most end up calling with it) the 3g coverage is full bars | 17:59 |
| chx | lived there | 17:59 |
| chx | got sick of Hungarian citizens | 17:59 |
| chx | left | 17:59 |
| suihkulokki | so it could theoretically heat up more when at the edge of 3g coverage | 17:59 |
| zoran | central europe with all + and - | 17:59 |
| alterego | Can anyone link be to that blog post about multiple maemo sdk targets that was posted last week? | 17:59 |
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| chx | I missed the memo about the + | 17:59 |
| Jiten | suihkulokki: could be. your 6120 doesn't heat up | 17:59 |
| lopz | hola | 18:00 |
| Jiten | ? | 18:00 |
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| zoran | suihkulokki, what is you chose just gsm? | 18:00 |
| suihkulokki | haven't tried it | 18:00 |
| Jiten | I'll have to test the heating up a bit more but I suspect it is the signal strength. Likely in 2G mode it happens less | 18:01 |
| zoran | I would liek to know the result prior buy it | 18:02 |
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| Jiten | at least right now it's not hot. | 18:02 |
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| zoran | Jiten, is it ok if I ask you about the subject this days, when you have more data? | 18:04 |
| Jiten | zoran: sure, ask away | 18:05 |
| zoran | :) | 18:05 |
| Jiten | it could be that if you keep the phone in dual network mode (both gsm and umts), it won't heat up | 18:06 |
| Jiten | that way it'll use whichever network is better at any given location. | 18:07 |
| Jiten | my current location is rather peculiar. it's constantly switching between hsdpa and umts. sometimes even dropping to gprs | 18:07 |
| zoran | I'd rather use only 2g, gsm | 18:08 |
| gla55 | turn it to gsm only mode then | 18:08 |
| Jiten | that likely works too. gsm can't use as much power | 18:08 |
| zoran | yes, that way ot cold stay cold, probably | 18:08 |
| zoran | I recall reports about 6233 losing connection if dual mode set | 18:09 |
| Jiten | gla55: no reason, really. it doesn't cause problems with my internet use. | 18:09 |
| gla55 | Jiten: was referring to zoran | 18:10 |
| Jiten | ah, ok | 18:10 |
| zoran | k ,read | 18:10 |
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| sciboy | Hmmmm, may need to do a gecko wrapper with pixel doubling after all. =/ | 18:22 |
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| sciboy | Crap this would be so much easier with even basic video acceleration. =( | 18:27 |
| chx | there is no video acceleration at all o_O ? | 18:35 |
| wumpus | there is a yuv surface right? | 18:36 |
| wumpus | I mean, Xv support | 18:36 |
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| Jiten | isn't there a library for really basic stuff that uses the dsp? | 18:38 |
| Jiten | scaling sounds like something that'd be very suitable for the dsp | 18:39 |
| wumpus | the problem is the the DSP can't interface with the LCD chip | 18:40 |
| wumpus | so that would mean a lot of data passing around | 18:41 |
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| sparr | GeneralAntilles: im replacing the 770 with a different device, no real reason to keep it around | 18:46 |
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| wumpus | Jiten: | 18:46 |
| wumpus | 17:41 <wumpus> the problem is the the DSP can't interface with the LCD chip | 18:46 |
| wumpus | 17:41 <wumpus> so that would mean a lot of data passing around | 18:46 |
| wumpus | I wish it could access the screen directlly otherwise you could do some very interesting things | 18:46 |
| Jiten | I see, that makes for abit of a problem | 18:46 |
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| sixpence | Heya, i'm using my Nokia 770 to connect to my desktop VIA vnc client, and I always use SCREEN when running SSH or VNC for obvious reasons. Now, I can send commands to a terminal that I opened up on my vnc client and press enter (return key) on the tablet, no problem. But within screen I can only type, I cannot press enter, I press it and nothing happens. Any ideas? | 18:47 |
| wumpus | or maybe it can but we just don't know it, it used to be the case on the n770 that the dsp could write to the framebuffer | 18:47 |
| wumpus | back the, the device dsp inluded some video stuff, now it's purely audio | 18:48 |
| sparr | sixpence: off the top of my head, terminal emulation problem? | 18:48 |
| sixpence | sparr: It's urxvt, let me try it with xterm, hold on | 18:48 |
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| sixpence | sparr: You were right. Thanks =D | 18:49 |
| sciboy | Damn, so that leaves me with either pygame or a gecko wrapper. | 18:50 |
| zerojay | to do what? | 18:50 |
| sciboy | Game development. | 18:50 |
| sixpence | sparr: now im talking to you from my tablet =) | 18:50 |
| sciboy | Just starting to grasp the limitations on the n800. | 18:51 |
| sciboy | I was hoping to do it through the browser and use gecko to take care of a lot for me, but it seems that it won't be able to handle any decent animation without pixel doubling. | 18:52 |
| Jiten | didn't n800 have a 3d acceleration chip that just can't be used? | 18:52 |
| Jiten | powervr or something | 18:52 |
| sparr | sciboy: if you want games, the gp2x is a far better platform, imho. im switching back soon. | 18:52 |
| sparr | sciboy: the new gp2x has a touch screen. | 18:52 |
| zerojay | You have to pay for the company to give you a kernel module to use the acceleration. | 18:53 |
| zerojay | The kernel module is only for Linux 2.4. | 18:53 |
| sparr | sciboy: ill miss debian packages, thats by far the #1 feature of the nokia devices | 18:53 |
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| zerojay | sparr: #1 pain, perhaps. | 18:53 |
| sparr | zerojay: pain? relative to what? | 18:53 |
| sciboy | sparr, I already have one, the N800 has a better chance in my case. | 18:53 |
| sparr | zerojay: imagine installing software WITHOUT them | 18:53 |
| zerojay | sparr: I'd be far happier. | 18:54 |
| sparr | seriously? major wtf | 18:54 |
| sciboy | I have to agree, being able to track updates alone is worth it. | 18:54 |
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| sparr | updating stuff on non-package-manager handhelds is omg-annoying | 18:55 |
| sparr | after using an Asus PDA and a GP2x as my handheld gaming systems for years, the package-ness of the 770 was a godsend | 18:55 |
| sparr | packages and wifi, in that order, are the two things im going to miss, moving back to a gp2x | 18:55 |
| zerojay | Why is it that you're moving back to the GP2X? | 18:55 |
| sparr | gaming | 18:56 |
| _Monkey | well, gaming is priority with gp2x | 18:56 |
| sparr | my handheld use is 80% gaming, 10% media, 10% PIM | 18:56 |
| zerojay | Better off with a PSP then. | 18:56 |
| sparr | homebrew on the PSP is a joke | 18:56 |
| zerojay | How's that? | 18:56 |
| amr | where can you buy a gp2x device? | 18:56 |
| sparr | amr: theres only a few places in the USA that have them, mostly order them from the UK or asia | 18:57 |
| amr | wow, i'm in the uk | 18:57 |
| zerojay | I'm still interested in getting a GP2X.. but I'm not sure if it's worth getting if the controller was as bad as the original was (which my friend had). | 18:57 |
| amr | i'm shocked that we have something that isn't popular in the us | 18:57 |
| sparr | amr: gp2x.co.uk | 18:57 |
| amr | gadget-wise | 18:57 |
| sciboy | I ordered mine inside australia. | 18:57 |
| amr | cool thanks | 18:57 |
| sparr | zerojay: the mk2 has a better joystick than the mk1 and the gp32. the F200, which JUST started shipping, has a d-pad. waiting to hear reviews on it | 18:58 |
| sciboy | Personally I think the GP2X kicks ass but the Maemo platform has more of a future with Nokia's backing and distribution. | 18:58 |
| zerojay | sparr: Yeah, I saw that.. it looks interesting. | 18:58 |
| zerojay | The GP2X can handle SNES at full speed yet? | 18:58 |
| amr | ~100 gbp | 18:58 |
| sciboy | Yep. | 18:58 |
| amr | i'm quite impressed | 18:59 |
| sparr | sciboy: i agree. if nokia built the ngage on maemo instead of on crap, it would succeed in the homebrew scene. | 18:59 |
| zerojay | Because last I saw, it couldn't. | 18:59 |
| amr | whats the screen like on them? | 18:59 |
| sparr | sciboy: the 770/800/810 could be decent gaming devices, if the d-pad didnt suck and it had more game-friendly buttons | 18:59 |
| sparr | screen on the gp2x? very nice. brighter than the 770, but less viewing angle | 18:59 |
| sciboy | sparr, The N800 would absolutely wipe out the competition if they'd just open up the PowerVR. | 18:59 |
| amr | what about resolution? | 18:59 |
| zerojay | sparr: And also if it was built from the start for gaming so that we'd have the video bandwidth, etc... | 18:59 |
| sparr | only QVGA :( | 18:59 |
| amr | supertux is a paint to play on my 770, i keep hitting the centre button | 18:59 |
| amr | :O thats tiny | 19:00 |
| zerojay | sciboy: That's not really Nokia's decision though. | 19:00 |
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| sparr | zerojay: yes it is. they have to pay to unlock it, but they could. | 19:00 |
| sciboy | zerojay, I know, cause if it was it'd be silly to let it go to waste. | 19:00 |
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| zerojay | sparr: If they paid, they'd get a kernel module for Linux 2.4. | 19:00 |
| zerojay | We're on 2.6. | 19:00 |
| sparr | so, pay more :) | 19:01 |
| amr | heh | 19:01 |
| zerojay | Doesn't work that way. :) | 19:01 |
| sparr | rumor has it that TI has a decent development team | 19:01 |
| sciboy | I thought the new 2.6 drivers had support for the OMAP 2420? | 19:01 |
| wumpus | or someone would have to reverse engineer the powervr driver that's out there | 19:01 |
| amr | the first person to make a basic racing game (like a basic supertuxkart) that i can play on my 770 | 19:01 |
| amr | i will give $100 | 19:01 |
| sparr | supertuxkart? why not just tuxkart? | 19:02 |
| zerojay | I'd like to see Nokia pay to get it opened up, but honestly, it probably doesn't make much business sense for them to do so. | 19:02 |
| amr | well whichever | 19:02 |
| sparr | does it count if i just get SNES emulation working and run mario kart? | 19:02 |
| zerojay | sparr: Sure, if you want to play at ~5fps. :) | 19:03 |
| amr | if i can play it on my 770, sure :P | 19:03 |
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| wumpus | I'd also like nokia to get it opened up and make a driver for it, but I have no confidence in that at all | 19:03 |
| sparr | gp2x runs mario kart at 20+ FPS... | 19:03 |
| sparr | hence me switching back | 19:03 |
| zerojay | ER.. | 19:03 |
| zerojay | Only 20+? | 19:03 |
| sparr | most of my gaming on the gp2x is emulation, thousands of great games | 19:03 |
| amr | or get me something that can play sonic the hedgehog :-) | 19:03 |
| zerojay | You'd be MUCH better off on the PSP. | 19:03 |
| sparr | zerojay: i dont overclock my gp2x unless i have to, exponential increase in battery usage | 19:03 |
| sciboy | I couldn't care less about emulation, homebrew is where it's at. | 19:04 |
| sparr | i regularly underclock | 19:04 |
| wumpus | indeed sciboy | 19:04 |
| wumpus | emulation doesn't use the full performance of the device anyway | 19:04 |
| sciboy | The GP2X has some nice contenders in that department. | 19:04 |
| sparr | sciboy: i disagree. literally thousands of great games for NES/SNES/Genesis/etc, all working for the effort of getting ONE program working | 19:04 |
| sciboy | Emulation just has a large library of games going for it though. | 19:04 |
| zerojay | wumpus: Emulation pushes hardware much more than any simple homebrew game does. | 19:04 |
| sparr | sciboy: do ports count as homebrew? | 19:04 |
| wumpus | sure, it pushes the hardware, but does not make effective use of it | 19:05 |
| timelyx | Robot101: fwiw, there is an implementation of GPS for MicroB (and MiniMo) | 19:05 |
| zerojay | Where do you get something like that? | 19:05 |
| wumpus | it runs much slower than a native game doing the same would | 19:05 |
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| zerojay | That doesn't mean that it doesn't make effective use of it. | 19:05 |
| zerojay | Whatsoever. | 19:05 |
| sparr | i ported enigma to the gp2x | 19:05 |
| sparr | poorly | 19:05 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: fwiw, i've insisted that any real GPS browser impl include security | 19:05 |
| wumpus | it does, because it means you can do much more with the device if you made a native game | 19:05 |
| timelyx | and they're working on that now | 19:05 |
| amr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX_Fv_MzpKI :o | 19:06 |
| amr | os2006 running flash9 | 19:06 |
| zerojay | wumpus: Yes, but that has nothing to do with how hard the hardware is being pushed or how effective it is. | 19:06 |
| timelyx | chx: don't assume implementers think about control or privacy | 19:06 |
| timelyx | ime, having spoken to a number, they don't <period> | 19:06 |
| wumpus | well it does, I can a game that is programmed as efficient as possible for the hardware it runs on 'effective' | 19:06 |
| wumpus | call* | 19:06 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: actually, there's this DCCI stuff which is something like a standard | 19:06 |
| zerojay | wumpus: That doesn't mean that the emulation isn't being "effective". | 19:06 |
| sparr | wumpus: its a matter of scale. ill take a thousand games running at 80% of the devices native speed instead of ten games running at 100% | 19:06 |
| wumpus | I'm not talking about the amount of games anyway | 19:07 |
| sparr | assuming the games themselves are of equal quality | 19:07 |
| timelyx | chx: calling a browser that's 5 years old superior to a modern browser is foolish | 19:07 |
| sciboy | Anyway, am I right to think I'd be able to push decent animation from gecko if we used pixel doubling? | 19:07 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget microbe | 19:08 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot microbe | 19:08 |
| timelyx | _Monkey microbe is <reply> | 19:08 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 19:08 |
| timelyx | alterego: Microbe is a typO | 19:08 |
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| sparr | sciboy: gecko, the mozilla engine? | 19:09 |
| sciboy | sparr, Yep. | 19:09 |
| timelyx | chx: the maemo devices are not aware of physical write protect. so mount will go rw | 19:09 |
| sparr | sciboy: is there a reason you cant use something lower level? | 19:09 |
| sciboy | sparr, Not a programmer and don't ever plan to be. | 19:09 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey forget an openmoko | 19:09 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot openmoko | 19:09 |
| timelyx | _Monkey an openmoko is <reply> | 19:10 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 19:10 |
| wumpus | indeed, it sounds like a bad idea to use something that high level on a relatively slow device, heck, even on a fast machine the gecko engine sometimes succeeds in being slow | 19:10 |
| sciboy | Well it's pretty imperative I have a graphical environment to work and script with. | 19:10 |
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| wumpus | it's good for rendering web pages, but real time games is a whole other thing | 19:10 |
| wumpus | though it's certainly possible | 19:10 |
| sciboy | I mean, Blenders Game Engine is quite nice in that department. | 19:11 |
| wumpus | just make a simple script and see what performance you get | 19:11 |
| sciboy | Don't know where to start. =/ | 19:12 |
| sciboy | But then again it's past 3AM, so I don't know where anything ends either. | 19:13 |
| wumpus | I wouldn't know either, I never considered a web browser as a gaming platform, you'd probably have to do some absolute positioning and html dom magic | 19:13 |
| wumpus | maybe start with one of those scripts that make a train of penguins behind the mouse cursor :P | 19:14 |
| zoran | maybe ajax? | 19:14 |
| wumpus | indeed, for online play | 19:14 |
| wumpus | but would be much more useful for a turn based game than a realtime one I think | 19:15 |
| zoran | sciboy could bring up http daemon and ... | 19:15 |
| chx | timelyx: the maemo device is not aware of the phyiscal protect...? htought the card reports itself read only. | 19:15 |
| timelyx | afa-w-ct whatever would be responsible for such a report is unavailable | 19:16 |
| sparr | http://game-editor.com/ <-- someone should pursue getting these guys to support maemo. they support linux in general, and gp2x specifically, so we know they can compile for ARM. | 19:16 |
| timelyx | possibly a certain line is not connected | 19:16 |
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| sciboy | wumpus, Huh? I thought you were referring to the pixel doubling. =/ | 19:17 |
| sciboy | wumpus, Scripting wise a trail of penguins is more complicated than anything I plan on doing. | 19:17 |
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| amr | weird, new tablet and i still can't copy more than 2mb over usb without it crashed | 19:43 |
| amr | crashing | 19:43 |
| sciboy | You've updated the firmware right? | 19:44 |
| alterego | Weird. | 19:44 |
| alterego | Maybe it's not the tablet .. | 19:44 |
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| zoran | could not be tablet issue | 19:45 |
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| zerojay | amr: You didn't mention what exactly was crashing. | 19:48 |
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| amr | well that was fun, my macbook locked up | 19:50 |
| amr | it does the same thing when i try and copy things over usb on my brothers vista laptop | 19:50 |
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| amr | and for some reason i can connect to irc, but thats it, i can't do anything else like /join | 19:51 |
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| amr | oh, thats odd | 19:52 |
| amr2 | Indeed | 19:52 |
| zoran | twins? | 19:52 |
| erstazi | same hostname | 19:52 |
| amr | my tablet | 19:52 |
| zoran | amr, what fs is on your card? | 19:53 |
| amr | let me check | 19:53 |
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| amr | it doesn't tell me, i believe its fat | 19:53 |
| zoran | could be 16/32 | 19:54 |
| zoran | some apps for making new fs could read data from it | 19:55 |
| zoran | flag could be N or something | 19:55 |
| amr2 | Ill have a look after dinner | 19:56 |
| zerojay | Your cards could be read-only. | 19:56 |
| amr2 | I can write to it on my tablet and if i plug it into a card reader | 19:57 |
| zoran | be aware of fat16 restrictions | 19:58 |
| zerojay | We'll probably see an update to Claws Mail soon. Security hole found in it. | 19:58 |
| amr2 | How do you mean zoran? | 19:59 |
| sixpence | zerojay: I find Claws Mail rather useless compared to the stock nokia mail ap. | 19:59 |
| zerojay | sixpence: I don't use it either. Just warning people. | 19:59 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Alrighty | 19:59 |
| zerojay | And with Modest on the way.. not sure there will be much of a need for Claws anymore, but we'll see. | 20:01 |
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| sixpence | Modest? | 20:01 |
| _Monkey | Modest is an email client built on libtinymail | 20:01 |
| zerojay | sixpence: http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ | 20:01 |
| sixpence | Neato. | 20:01 |
| sixpence | What i'm really trying to do is to get portage on my 770 =| | 20:02 |
| sixpence | Or some variation thereof. Has anything like this been done? | 20:02 |
| zerojay | It was meant to be the e-mail client for IT2008, but it didn't make it in time.. so we'll see a beta for it around the time IT2008 is released. | 20:02 |
| zerojay | sixpence: No, you don't. | 20:02 |
| zerojay | sixpence: The tablet doesn't really have the horsepower to compile much of anything in a decent amount of time. | 20:02 |
| sixpence | zerojay: I suppose you're right, I considered that being a problem. | 20:03 |
| zerojay | You can more or less forget anything more than smallish. | 20:03 |
| sixpence | Or DSL | 20:03 |
| * alterego wonders what you're talking about. | 20:03 | |
| zerojay | As a portage user myself, I understand wanting it. | 20:03 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Do you own bot a 770 and an 810? | 20:03 |
| alterego | portage? | 20:03 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Hehe. Gentoo? :D | 20:03 |
| zerojay | sixpence: Just a N800. | 20:04 |
| gla55 | ..what would be the advantage over apt-get? | 20:04 |
| zerojay | sixpence: Yep. | 20:04 |
| zerojay | gla55: Not dealing with apt-get. | 20:04 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Same. I'm actually on it right now. All my servers/systems run Gentoo | 20:04 |
| amr2 | Why compile for your device when they are all the same if you see what i mean | 20:04 |
| alterego | :/ | 20:04 |
| gla55 | amr2: exactly.. | 20:04 |
| alterego | Debian ftw | 20:04 |
| sixpence | Dian FTN (Nubs) | 20:04 |
| zerojay | amr2: Because I may not want all the features you do. | 20:04 |
| sixpence | Kidding. Kidding.. | 20:04 |
| alterego | Never heard of dian | 20:05 |
| sciboy | amr, You can have your racing game if someone can get the blender game engine working with super-low-poly scenes. =P | 20:05 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Yeah. It's really hard not being able to optimise compilation options like use flags and whatnot. | 20:05 |
| sixpence | optimize, even. | 20:05 |
| zerojay | sixpence: I'm not really worried about CFLAGS, but I don't like pulling dependencies that I'll never use, especially on a device that's as limited as the tablets. | 20:05 |
| alterego | sciboy, or to work with the power vr chip. | 20:05 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Precisely. | 20:05 |
| sixpence | zerojay: But I did get dwm working on the 770, which ras a huuge relief. | 20:06 |
| alterego | Probably requires too much power though. | 20:06 |
| zerojay | sixpence: What arch are you on? | 20:06 |
| sixpence | zerojay: amd_64 | 20:06 |
| sixpence | You? | 20:07 |
| _Monkey | You are doing this as root? | 20:07 |
| * zerojay sees glibc updating from 2.5-r4 to 2.6.1 and is slightly nervous. | 20:07 | |
| zerojay | sixpence: Same. | 20:07 |
| sixpence | zerojay: That's never good. | 20:07 |
| sciboy | alterego, I'd be happy enough just moving a dozen textured tri's around really, should be in the realm of software rendering at 300mhz | 20:07 |
| sixpence | Why would I settle for anything else with a 3.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo? | 20:07 |
| alterego | sciboy, easily. | 20:07 |
| celesteh_away | _monkey forget root | 20:07 |
| _Monkey | celesteh_away: I forgot root | 20:07 |
| celesteh_away | _monkey, root is <reply> | 20:07 |
| _Monkey | OK, celesteh_away. | 20:07 |
| celesteh_away | root? | 20:07 |
| alterego | sciboy, quake II should run on the N800 under software. | 20:07 |
| celesteh_away | shhot | 20:08 |
| sciboy | alterego, It already does. | 20:08 |
| celesteh_away | shoot | 20:08 |
| alterego | Probably not too speedy though, as there's no FP. | 20:08 |
| celesteh_away | _monkey forget you | 20:08 |
| _Monkey | celesteh_away: I forgot you | 20:08 |
| zerojay | It'll run even better at 400mhz, when the tablets get IT2008. | 20:08 |
| sciboy | Really? I thought it did have an FPU, oh wll. | 20:08 |
| celesteh_away | _monkey you is <reply> | 20:08 |
| _Monkey | OK, celesteh_away. | 20:08 |
| sciboy | well* | 20:08 |
| celesteh_away | you? | 20:08 |
| alterego | No, | 20:08 |
| celesteh_away | ok | 20:08 |
| alterego | No FP | 20:08 |
| sixpence | zerojay: With DWM instead of the stock WM, I can use SSH with SCREEN on my server (comfortably) instead of VNC. Saves a lot of cpu usage. | 20:09 |
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| sixpence | zerojay: I'll do the same with my Windows box once I get netstat working. | 20:09 |
| * alterego shudders | 20:10 | |
| zerojay | I'd do some ssh to my home box if it weren't running at 1680x1050. | 20:10 |
| zerojay | er.. | 20:10 |
| zerojay | I meant VNC. | 20:10 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Lol. | 20:10 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Yeah, you lost me for a sec | 20:10 |
| amr2 | Haha | 20:10 |
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| zerojay | I don't feel like having to scroll all over the place. ;) | 20:11 |
| sixpence | zerojay: Which is why I prefer ssh to tabbed screen any day | 20:11 |
| zerojay | Modest should support IMAP perfectly... as tinymail, which it is based upon, does. | 20:11 |
| kala_ | anybody can successfully use Canola r2473M with Firefly media server svn-1586? It seems to start to send the mp3 faile to the Canola, but the 770 responds by connection reset. | 20:12 |
| sciboy | alterego, Well it stands, if they can get the blender game engine running under the N800 at a half-decent rate, I could easily design and develop games for it. (Probably at 400x240) | 20:12 |
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| alterego | What's wrong with SDL and GTK? | 20:13 |
| sciboy | That's like comparing apples to cats. | 20:13 |
| zerojay | Hah. | 20:13 |
| amr2 | Lol | 20:13 |
| alterego | There are other free OSS game engines. | 20:13 |
| zerojay | clanlib. | 20:13 |
| sixpence | Does thoughtfix ever come in here? | 20:14 |
| zerojay | I think he does. | 20:14 |
| sciboy | But none nearly as easy for a graphically oriented developer like myself to work in. | 20:14 |
| alterego | Well, your obviously not wired to create games then :P | 20:14 |
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| sciboy | No I'm wired to work with established engines and tools. I'm an animator not a programmer. | 20:15 |
| zerojay | Is there a vmware image for the Chinook SDK? | 20:15 |
| alterego | Does the blender SDK have AI? | 20:15 |
| sciboy | I can still script physics and all that, but I don't have any patience for low-level programming. | 20:15 |
| alterego | You could use Python, | 20:16 |
| sciboy | I know, which is why I'm option for BlenderGE. | 20:16 |
| sciboy | It uses python scripting. | 20:16 |
| sciboy | opting* | 20:16 |
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| alterego | There's PyGame .. | 20:16 |
| sciboy | It comes down to the fact that I work inside graphical environments. | 20:17 |
| sciboy | Oh yay, SDL wrapper. >=| | 20:17 |
| alterego | It's pretty easy to develop games with SDL. | 20:17 |
| alterego | With Python, it should be easy for even you. | 20:18 |
| sciboy | Blender already has animation, audio, physics, rendering etc. handled and logic abstracted on a nice level. | 20:18 |
| alterego | Me, I don't really have any interest in games unfortunately. | 20:18 |
| sciboy | That means I can get right into the core gameplay instead of blitting. =/ | 20:18 |
| alterego | Blender is meant for desktop hardware. Not mobile hardware. | 20:18 |
| sciboy | Yup, but doesn't mean it won't work. | 20:19 |
| alterego | I think it does. | 20:19 |
| sciboy | BlenderPocjet | 20:19 |
| sciboy | pocket* | 20:19 |
| alterego | Have you tried compiling it? | 20:19 |
| alterego | BlenderPocket? | 20:19 |
| sciboy | http://russose.free.fr/BlenderPocket/ | 20:19 |
| alterego | That sounds promising. | 20:19 |
| sciboy | Just a test case that you might find interesting. | 20:19 |
| alterego | For Pocket PC. | 20:20 |
| alterego | Well, that might work. | 20:20 |
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| sciboy | It doesn't have the game engine enabled but it shows blender can run under such environments. | 20:20 |
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| alterego | Erm | 20:20 |
| sciboy | The lowest-end hardware I've used blender on is a 200mhz laptop with 32mb of memory and no video acceleration and still managed realtime work. Although that's still a totally different ball-game since it had an FPU. =/ | 20:22 |
| alterego | I would quite like blender on the N800 .. | 20:23 |
| alterego | I don't really care about the game engine but the actual app would be funky. | 20:23 |
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| sciboy | I'm all about the game engine, that means I can develop games and content for the N800 piss easy. | 20:24 |
| sciboy | Even if I only got a dozen tri's and a low res. to work with. =P | 20:24 |
| alterego | That kind of sounds pointless. | 20:25 |
| sciboy | Why? | 20:25 |
| alterego | A dozen triangles .. | 20:26 |
| sciboy | I'm quite use to pseudo-3d content, such limitations are things I have no trouble working around. | 20:26 |
| alterego | Well, I might attempt to port it at. | 20:28 |
| sciboy | I only need 3 planes to do a simple 2d game, 6 is more than enough. | 20:28 |
| alterego | Ah, right. | 20:28 |
| sciboy | The more I get though, the more I can push the graphics and gameplay. | 20:29 |
| sciboy | That's just setting the minimum really. | 20:29 |
| alterego | Right | 20:29 |
| rafl | I wonder what a good way to debug networking problems with an n800 would be. | 20:29 |
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| amr2 | Weird.. Application manager says operation failed when i try and install an app | 20:30 |
| rafl | it authenticates properly, but only 1 out of 5 or 10 connections actually get established. And even if they are they seem to timeout or lag heavily. | 20:30 |
| rafl | other devices which are connected to the same wifi network work well though. | 20:30 |
| zerojay | rafl: Using Wireless N? | 20:31 |
| sciboy | alterego, Regardless of polies though it seems the N800 can't handle fast frame rates at the native resolution. | 20:31 |
| alterego | Yeah | 20:31 |
| sciboy | For editing that's not a problem, but game engine wise I'd have to jump to pixel doubling, frame rate is more important than resolution. | 20:31 |
| rafl | zerojay: what's that? | 20:32 |
| chx | zerojay: 802.11n?? these thingies support pre-N or what?? | 20:32 |
| zerojay | rafl: A wireless protocol used by routers. | 20:32 |
| zerojay | chx: No. | 20:32 |
| rafl | using 802.11g if that's what you're refering to. | 20:32 |
| chx | yah | 20:33 |
| zerojay | Most routers using N G B in mixed mode break G or B. | 20:33 |
| chx | there is an upcomign standard and you mentioning wireless n made me o_O | 20:33 |
| rafl | the router does a/b/g. | 20:34 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 20:35 |
| rafl | also happens with another router doing b/g only. | 20:35 |
| zerojay | Are you in Europe but bought a US tablet? | 20:36 |
| rafl | it says "made in finnland". | 20:37 |
| zerojay | US routers use channels 1-11, European routers use 1-13... so if your router is on 12 or 13 but you have a US tablet, it won't be able to connect. | 20:37 |
| rafl | the router uses channel 1. | 20:37 |
| zerojay | Try changing the channel. Might be too much interference. | 20:38 |
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| rafl | aye | 20:38 |
| sciboy | alterego, So what would you compile it against for software GL? | 20:40 |
| alterego | sciboy, I don't know. | 20:41 |
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| alterego | It uses SDL right? | 20:41 |
| sciboy | And OpenGL | 20:41 |
| _Monkey | OpenGL is a bit of a pandora's box for the tablets | 20:41 |
| alterego | The tablets don't have OpenGL | 20:41 |
| sciboy | They don't have hardware acceleration, but that's why there's slow as shit software rendering libraries. | 20:42 |
| amr | and i'm back | 20:42 |
| alterego | I don't think anyone's compiled mesa for maeom. | 20:42 |
| alterego | ~maemo | 20:42 |
| infobot | well, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 20:42 |
| sciboy | alterego, Oh... there's alternatives, one sec. | 20:43 |
| sciboy | alterego, http://forums.blendertestbuilds.de/viewtopic.php?t=24 | 20:44 |
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| sciboy | Might find that interesting. | 20:44 |
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| eton | How to change maemo's UI fonts? Any GUI tool? | 20:50 |
| timelyx | ? | 20:52 |
| timelyx | you can replace the font files | 20:52 |
| timelyx | or modify them | 20:52 |
| alterego | sciboy, maybe you should talk to those guys then. | 20:52 |
| timelyx | eton: the hebrew for maemo wiki (?) explains how to modify them | 20:53 |
| eton | timelyx, thanks | 20:54 |
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| rafl | zerojay: changing the channel doesn't seem to fix anything. | 20:55 |
| rafl | zerojay: also all other devices I own work well with that access point. | 20:56 |
| snowmoon | Hmm... I reflashed the device and it's still got my contacts I imported last time | 20:56 |
| snowmoon | Unless... does it pull them down from google? | 20:58 |
| timelyx | yes | 20:58 |
| timelyx | but how did it have your account info? | 20:59 |
| timelyx | did you add the account? | 20:59 |
| snowmoon | yes I added the accounts | 20:59 |
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| timelyx | then yes, when you did that, it grabbed your contacts :) | 20:59 |
| snowmoon | Looks like I'm going to have to edit some of the aliases again | 21:00 |
| snowmoon | get those cleaned up | 21:01 |
| timelyx | use your web browser :) | 21:01 |
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| sciboy | So who here wants to port Blender? =D | 21:18 |
| suihkulokki | you could just make a debian/armel chroot and apt-get install blender there ;) | 21:19 |
| alterego | sciboy, sounds like something you could do. | 21:22 |
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| eton | timelyx, i think the page you mentioned is not available. | 21:34 |
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| BlueGene | hi to all :) | 21:49 |
| BlueGene | somebody speak Spanish? | 21:52 |
| alterego | `Hola | 21:55 |
| sp3000 | between 322 and 400 million people, natively | 21:55 |
| BlueGene | sp3000 thanks so much lol | 21:55 |
| alterego | Oh, I thought it was a request. | 21:55 |
| BlueGene | alterego hola | 21:56 |
| BlueGene | q tal? | 21:56 |
| alterego | I don't actuall know Spanish, sorry. | 21:56 |
| BlueGene | alterego where do you from? | 21:56 |
| alterego | England | 21:57 |
| BlueGene | I think the official channel language is English but I'd like to know if there is somebody of Spain | 21:57 |
| BlueGene | cool, I have family in Manchester | 21:57 |
| alterego | Do they speak Spanish in Brazil? | 21:57 |
| BlueGene | Knutsford really | 21:57 |
| BlueGene | they speak Portuguese | 21:58 |
| alterego | Ah, my mistake. | 21:58 |
| BlueGene | doesn't matter | 21:58 |
| BlueGene | I preffer the irc than the maililist | 21:58 |
| BlueGene | I preffer the irc than the mail list | 21:59 |
| alterego | Well, it has it's benifits and it's drawbacks. | 21:59 |
| BlueGene | like everything in this life | 22:00 |
| BlueGene | alterego where do you live in England? | 22:00 |
| alterego | Cambridge | 22:00 |
| _Monkey | Cambridge is a weird outer london IT haven too | 22:00 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:01 |
| alterego | Maybe some one should setup a TUG (tablet user group). | 22:01 |
| BlueGene | I was in Manchester, Knutsford, Chester and Blackpoll | 22:01 |
| BlueGene | Blackpool | 22:01 |
| alterego | Nice | 22:02 |
| amr | <- leeds | 22:02 |
| BlueGene | Chester is so nice | 22:02 |
| alterego | I've never been there | 22:02 |
| BlueGene | I live in Leon, at the north of Spain | 22:02 |
| BlueGene | alterego Chester is a nice town with lot of Roman ruins | 22:03 |
| alterego | I've never been to spain either. | 22:03 |
| alterego | Cambridge is a nice town/city with real roman buildings :) | 22:03 |
| BlueGene | The best season to came to Spain is the summer | 22:03 |
| BlueGene | alterego then I must go to Cambridge | 22:04 |
| alterego | It's one of the oldest architectural havens in the country I believe. | 22:04 |
| BlueGene | :) | 22:04 |
| alterego | Very scenic. Lots of grass and trees. | 22:04 |
| alterego | Not very big though, for a city. | 22:04 |
| BlueGene | like every England lol | 22:04 |
| BlueGene | I live in an old Roman city too | 22:05 |
| BlueGene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le?n%2C_Spain | 22:06 |
| alterego | Nice | 22:06 |
| BlueGene | the Cathedral is so beautiful | 22:07 |
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| alterego | Talk to you soon | 22:07 |
| BlueGene | I hope, nice to meet you :) | 22:07 |
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| * alterego wonders what all the segfaults in the chinook beta SD Kare about .. | 22:35 | |
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| tko | alterego: I think xan expressed it quite nicely: http://xach.com/tmp/wip/motiv.html :) | 22:51 |
| alterego | Not when the segfaults are from glibc | 22:52 |
| alterego | I can't even apt-get install somethings without it segfaulting. | 22:53 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 22:53 | |
| alterego | This has nothing to do with my code .. | 22:53 |
| timelyx | apt-get is buggy :) | 22:53 |
| tko | glibc is buggy | 22:53 |
| tko | qemu is buggy | 22:53 |
| timelyx | tko; that too :) | 22:53 |
| alterego | It's not just apt-get | 22:53 |
| tko | all software sucks | 22:53 |
| timelyx | tko: do you have access to swift from here? :) | 22:53 |
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| alterego | This is beyond buggy. What have nokia done to glibc2.5 ? | 22:54 |
| tko | timelyx: technically yes, practically I don't have securid with me :) | 22:54 |
| tko | so it might take a while | 22:54 |
| eton | timelyx, could you point me to the hebrew wiki? | 22:54 |
| eton | timelyx i googled but still can't find it. | 22:54 |
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| timelyx | eton: http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/Hebrew ? | 22:58 |
| timelyx | how did you google? | 22:58 |
| timelyx | site:maemo.org hebrew | 22:58 |
| eton | timelyx "maemo hebrew" | 22:59 |
| eton | timelyx, thanks | 22:59 |
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| shackan | is it possible to use gcc4 in chinhook ? | 23:07 |
| shackan | (building it from gnuarm.org sources fails because of different abi version, and scratchbox does have gcc4, but only in apophis) | 23:08 |
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| shackan | (i mean apophis r4) | 23:08 |
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| timely_changelog | :( | 23:16 |
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| alterego | shackan, update ? | 23:18 |
| shackan | alterego: sorry? | 23:19 |
| alterego | Why don't you update to r4? | 23:19 |
| tko | are you sure you really really want to know? :) | 23:19 |
| alterego | No, I don't think I do ;) | 23:20 |
| shackan | I have, but chinhook does not use gcc4 | 23:20 |
| alterego | Doesn't it? | 23:20 |
| shackan | gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2) | 23:20 |
| alterego | Ah, so why do you want gcc4 anyway? | 23:20 |
| shackan | it seems what I'm trying to compile (LLVM) isn't happy with gcc 3 on arm | 23:21 |
| alterego | :/ | 23:23 |
| shackan | so, I've got http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc4.1-uclibc20061004-1.0.4-i386.tar.gz | 23:23 |
| alterego | uclibc .. | 23:23 |
| alterego | That's not right .. | 23:23 |
| shackan | grrrrrrrrrrr | 23:23 |
| shackan | damn! | 23:23 |
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| alterego | I'd look more into why it wont compile under gcc3 | 23:24 |
| shackan | link errors | 23:24 |
| shackan | hell, everytime I want to do anything with scratchbox I run into these sort of issue | 23:25 |
| shackan | *issues | 23:25 |
| alterego | This doesn't sound like an issue with scratchbox. | 23:25 |
| alterego | This sounds like an issue with whatever it is you're attempting to build. | 23:25 |
| shackan | ..to build, inside scratchbox :) | 23:26 |
| alterego | That is really beside the point shacken. | 23:26 |
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| alterego | Youd have the exact same problem if you were compiling it on the device. | 23:26 |
| rafl | zerojay: wifi problem solved by increasing wlan_sleep_timeout via gconf. | 23:26 |
| shackan | yes, because it's stuck at gcc3 | 23:27 |
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| alterego | No, it's because the software you're attempting to compile is buggy | 23:27 |
| alterego | Why should GCC versions matter? | 23:27 |
| rafl | because gcc has bugs and newer versions tend to fix those? | 23:28 |
| shackan | because gcc has its share of bugs | 23:28 |
| alterego | So you think the reason this package wont build is because of a GCC bug? | 23:29 |
| tko | or package bug | 23:29 |
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| tko | in my experience bugs tend to be more common in the higher levels | 23:29 |
| shackan | alterego: if the same package builds on gcc4 and not on gcc3, then yes | 23:30 |
| alterego | shackan, that's a guess. | 23:30 |
| alterego | You don't know. | 23:30 |
| shackan | (mind you, only the arm version has this problem, gcc3.3 and 3.4 work on x86 and amd64) | 23:30 |
| alterego | Your time would be better spent sorting out the bug than attempting to build your own toolchain. | 23:31 |
| shackan | alterego: you neither, so what? | 23:31 |
| alterego | If I was in your shoes, I wouldn't be wasting my time guessing. | 23:31 |
| shackan | well, I assumed one could upgrade the compiler, sorry for wasting your time | 23:31 |
| alterego | That's okay :) I have plenty of time to waste. | 23:32 |
| shackan | you could try to help then :P | 23:32 |
| alterego | I can't even install chinook .. | 23:32 |
| shackan | great.. | 23:33 |
| alterego | apt-get keeps segfaulting when downloading packages under ARM. | 23:33 |
| alterego | It's not very fun. | 23:33 |
| alterego | There must be something I'm missing. | 23:34 |
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| macluvjay | wondering if there is anything to get home/end/pgup/pgdown for the new slim Apple Bluetooth Keybord | 23:56 |
| macluvjay | also, * that should be a tilde | 23:56 |
| macluvjay | hints, suggestions? | 23:56 |
| alterego | Ah, I think I've fixed it :) | 23:57 |
| macluvjay | other than this, Im in love with my n800 :) | 23:57 |
| alterego | You can remap your keyboard. | 23:58 |
| alterego | You can make up combos to do home/end/pup/pdwn' | 23:58 |
| alterego | Does it not have an extended function key? | 23:58 |
| macluvjay | function key doesnt do what id expect | 23:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, it'll need to be configured. | 23:59 |
| macluvjay | alterego: xmodmap or something? | 23:59 |
| alterego | That's the bunny :) | 23:59 |
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