IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-10-25

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ds3Display Postscript!00:01
* ds3 takes off before anyone has a chance to look for their pitch forks and torches00:01
disqthat's a big desktop00:01
disqhttp://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2393/20071024235841si2.png that's mine00:02
disqand fixedsys <300:02
GeneralAntillesIt's . . . blue.00:03
disqsorry it's windows00:03
disq:P00:03
GeneralAntillesWhy not use Classic?00:03
disqi'm used to this00:03
disqclassic's too 2000 :P00:03
GeneralAntillesAt least that has some semblance of decency, even if it's of the mid-90s sort.00:03
alteregoTak, if you're wondering about the "coolback" part. It's because I decided to become evil. When you assign a LibOSSO callback in Ruby, you get an "OSSO::Callback" object. That object has 'proc' and 'data' attributes which can be changed after you've created the callback. Allowing you to completely bend/break the callback's functionality to your will. Without having to remove and add a new callback.00:04
alteregoWhich is good considering some callbacks you can't de-register ..00:05
Taknice00:05
Takhow is that implemented on the backend?  nested callback?00:05
disqthe only problem with fixedsys is it doesn't have unicode line drawing chars. and "mc -a" refuses to draw with ascii unless the locale is "C" but that also kills utf800:06
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alteregoYeah, pretty much. I wrote the "real" callbacks, the gpointer/void data argument is actually a C struct that contains a reference to two ruby objects. The first is a "proc" field the second is a "data" field.00:07
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alteregoThat worked fine. But I realised, when removing some callbacks in the API I needed to keep some kind of handle to the callback data. So I created the OSSO::Callback class.00:07
alteregoThen I turned evil and added accessors to the internals of the data structure ..00:08
|Rurhm, is there a nat module for the latest 2007 kernel?00:08
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sp3000arghblarghfhzeroinstall00:13
alteregoNice.00:13
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* sp3000 refers to -devel of course.00:14
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|Rhttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=260&release_id=649 <- anyone using this on latest firmware?00:29
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hozanoHi folks. How to switch the audio flow to speaker when the headphone is plugged?00:40
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alteregohozano, I don't think you can.00:43
derfYou can sometimes, at random, for no apparent reason.00:44
derfAt least that was my experience with the fm radio applet.00:44
hozanoalterego, the FM Radio do it...00:44
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SLiHi, I'm trying to get started writing a hildon input method, got the example plugin src from launchpad.net (is that the correct place? Is it somewhere in the maemo repo?), but it doesn't build because I don't have pkg-config packages 'hildon-input-method-framework-3.0' and 'hildon-input-method-ui-3.0'. Is this stuff somewhere available as debs or something?00:47
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SLiHmm, is that for post-3.2, whatever it was named... Is there corresponding stuff for bora?00:52
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SLichinook.00:53
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drseashellis there a good nintendo emu for the n800?01:01
SLiSeems I'm missing hildon-input-method-framework-dev (>= 1:1.99.8-1) libhildon-im-ui-dev (>= 1:1.99.13-1).01:02
SLiWhat's sardine?01:03
_Monkeyhmmm... sardine is (very) unstable or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine01:03
SLiOk.01:03
SLiHmm, ok.01:03
|Rdrseashell : fceu with xmaeme as a frontend works fin01:03
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|Rfine01:03
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SLiThen that's probably not what I want. I guess I just have too new hildon im example.01:04
SLiOr something.01:04
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SLiThere's a howto at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html but I wonder if it's current. At least the src link at the very bottom is broken.01:06
t_s_othere are days when i wonder why i read umpcportal...01:07
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drseashellthanks |R01:10
JaffaNew version of mediaserv released fixing loads of issues: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/01:11
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drseashellloads of issues01:12
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t_s_ohmm, has anyone tried grasemonkey on the 770?01:19
Takheh, I haven't even tried the microb engine yet01:19
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t_s_ough, with the recent price drop of the N800 im getting a bit pissed that i forked over cash for the 77001:27
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t_s_oand i guess it does not help that its currently suffering from wsod :(01:28
GeneralAntillesJust fork over some more for an N800 and keep the 770 as a dedicated couch-machine. :)01:28
t_s_oim considering that GeneralAntilles. with its dual flash slots and the upcoming os08 its becoming on sweet sweet device :D01:29
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GeneralAntillesI've got an N800 and two 770s.01:29
R[a]skWSOD? White Screen of Death?01:29
GeneralAntillesOne 770 for the couch and one for the nightstand01:29
GeneralAntillesYes, R[a]sk01:29
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Rask330That sounds spooky.01:30
t_s_oits basically a hardware failure of the control chip for the display01:30
Takt_s_o: you didn't get a developer device?01:30
* Tak boggles01:31
t_s_oTak: developer device?01:31
SLiIs there some versioning weirdness going on in hildon-input-method? In my SDK I have hildon-input-method 2.0.23-2, but in the svn repo 1.99.32 was tagged yesterday :P01:31
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SLiApparently yes, since 3.0.0 was tagged further down in the file...01:32
SLiGah. I'd just like to know if it's possible to develop input method plugins for bora and if, how :P01:33
SLiThe howto would indicate it's possible, but the example src link is broken.01:33
Takdiscounted device for development?01:33
GeneralAntillesSeems like a waste of time with Chinook just around the corner.01:33
derfSLi: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/01:34
derfI would say it's possible.01:34
t_s_oTak: i got no clue what your talking about01:34
SLiderf, hmm, interesting. Got to look at that.01:35
GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1192708879.html01:35
GeneralAntillesExcept for the N800.01:35
SLiderf, hmh, that seems to replace HIM according to the FAQ.01:36
derfSLi: Yes, it does.01:36
derfOh, you said "plugins"... missed that word.01:36
SLiYeah. :) http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html indicates it would be possible, but the src link is broken and someone has asked before here if it's available somewhere else, according to googled irc logs :P01:37
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t_s_othanks GeneralAntilles, submitted. but i find it unlikely that i get in :)01:41
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Rask330I should really try my hand at maemo development... it seems like an area where there's lots of stuff to be done.01:43
t_s_osame here, maybe ill look into python if i ever get my 770 fixed or a new device going (python dont much care what os it runs on, right?)01:44
Rask330Like maybe writing a wiimote interface, so people can look at you funny while you try to aim the pointer at a tiny handheld device :D01:44
t_s_o:p01:44
t_s_oi wondered about going nuts and look into a opensync ui01:45
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Rask330I was wondering about that myself, honestly... one of the things I'd like to eventually do with my N800 is completely replace my PDA.01:46
Rask330Because my Palm, my N800, my phone, my keyboard, my wallet, my keys, my pens, and my change are becoming a bit too much for my pockets.01:46
Rask330It makes me wish it wasn't such a social faux pas for men to carry purses. XD01:47
disqthings are going good for email. will have modest beta by the chinook release. we're getting imap in gmail.01:47
t_s_oRask330: only in some parts of the world ;)01:47
Rask330t_s_o:  True, but I live in the USA.  :)01:48
t_s_oRask330: i was about to guess that01:48
SLiI've got a belt bag. Totally nonesthetic but I don't care. Who cares about people anyway when you can carry geeky gadgets :P01:48
t_s_ohere they sell them at one of the larger clothes chains01:48
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Rask330Maybe I could get away with an attache case or something...01:49
Rask330Or a "messenger bag".01:49
disqi got a postmans bag which i carry my dslr in. i put my keys and n800 there too (if i have the bag with me that is)01:49
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t_s_ohmm, os08 on the 770?! interesting ;)01:56
ds3become a borg01:57
ds3use a HMD full time01:57
t_s_o?01:57
t_s_oah :P01:57
t_s_ojust need some kind of workable input01:58
ds3headband with all the different radios01:58
ds3biometric inputs of course01:58
GeneralAntillesThose messenger bags are killer on your back.01:58
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ds3wasn't there some talk about the N800 generating either NTSC or PAL output a while back?02:00
gla55well.. i can imagine some people hoping/imagining it possible since n95 that runs the same hw to a certain degree has tv-out..02:05
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gla55but havent seen anything concrete02:05
gla55if even the right stuff is connected or not. probably not.02:05
GeneralAntillesTime to pull out the soldering iron. ;)02:06
t_s_oheh02:07
t_s_ohmm, i found a local webshop that sells replacement buttons and lcd for the N800, but not for the 770 :(02:07
GeneralAntillesYou'd need a new mobo.02:08
GeneralAntillesIt's not the screen02:08
GeneralAntillesit's the controller.02:08
t_s_obut i guess the cost of one would be higher then the device itself02:08
t_s_oand those two are not made as one unit?02:08
GeneralAntillesDon't think so02:08
GeneralAntillescould be wrong, though.02:08
* GeneralAntilles is not much of a mobile device haxor. ;)02:09
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ds3all the cheap HMDs are NTSC only :(02:10
ds3well, NTSC/PAL02:10
SLiJust for the log, if someone else asks again (this is becoming a faq according to irc logs): him-plugins-sdk-example-0.0.2.tar.gz is still available at http://test.maemo.org/downloads/him-plugin-examples/ (the im howto page link should be updated).02:13
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digilinkOk I'm a little confused by something. There was an email that came across the Maemo announce list today of a new release of Maemo 3.2 Looking at the tools it updated I could really use some of them, so I opted to flash my n800 with the latest OS 2007 image (4.2007.38-2) however, I can not find some of the new tools, specifically nano, I want that pretty bad :P Has the new image just not hit the d/l page  yet or do I have a mis03:13
digilinkunderstanding of how I am supposed to update?03:13
GeneralAntilles38-2 is the SDHC fix, I think.03:13
GeneralAntillesnano is here: http://aeracode.org/maemo/2007/03:14
digilinkok hmm. any idea what they are talking about in the email they sent out today? I just got my n800 yesterday so I'm still learning :)03:15
GeneralAntillesHaven't a clue.03:16
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c0ffeedigilink, the mail talked about the SDK, while you flashed the os image on your n80003:23
c0ffeedigilink, the SDK is this scratchbox thing you run on your normal pc to compile stuff for the n80003:23
digilinkI thought so, so the tools listed are built into the SDK I assume?03:24
c0ffeeyes03:24
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digilinkok that makes sense now03:24
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scott_Hello.  Newbie here.  Tried installing apps from maemo.org site by clicking on install links.  Nothing happens.  Download install files and they don't show up in the system.  Do I have to unlock something first??03:54
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|Rdid you choose save or open?03:59
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j_ckhi, my n800 just went dead for no reason and it's not responding. Anyone knows anything about this?04:20
GeneralAntillesDid you charge it?04:22
j_ckit was low on battery, i've put it on charging, but it doesn't give any response during charge (on indication)04:22
j_ck(no indication)04:22
GeneralAntillesLet it charge.04:23
j_ckthat's normal?04:23
GeneralAntillesDunno04:23
GeneralAntillesBut, obviously, the battery is low.04:23
j_ckok, i'll wait till it's charged and start panicing after that04:23
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SLiIs there a "what's new in chinook" summary somewhere? I think I should install chinook on a memory card or something and give it a try.05:00
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GeneralAntillesIt's somewhere on maemo.org05:01
GeneralAntillesHere we go, SLi: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html05:02
disqi think i need a more elegant font to write OO code. fixedsys makes me feel like i'm in procedural land05:04
GeneralAntillesCourier05:06
SLiGeneralAntilles, thanks.05:08
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nptso, I got my n800 today, so forgive me... if i apt-get update, will it work?05:14
SLidisq: An interesting way of thinking :) Although I can understand that.05:15
disqi'll try consolas05:15
SLinpt, yes, it should, as far as I understand, although I've always used the Application Manager (often in blue pill mode). I have the feeling that using command line might be more handy, especially as the Appmgr only lets you upgrade one package at a time and then it needs to reload everything and you need to rescroll to the point where you were :P05:17
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npt;p05:17
SLiHmm, although now that I think, I wonder if Nokia has modded apt to use the (I assume gconf-based) same repository configuration.05:18
nptI read some webpage 'pimp my n800' but it was from like 02/0705:19
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nptand that seemed to think you had to 'mod' your n800's files a bit before apt-get update would work05:19
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nptso, just wondering05:19
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GeneralAntillesNo, it works.05:20
nptlooking on google for info as well05:20
nptthanks05:20
npt: )05:20
GeneralAntillesJust a lot of applications aren't in the maemo repositories.05:20
GeneralAntillesSo you have to add a ton of them.05:20
GeneralAntillesThere's a list of them burried on maemo.org somewhere.05:20
nptthanks!05:20
npt: )05:20
nptthat's awesome to hear..05:20
SLiSleep... I guess I need to get a sleeping schedule (5:20 am here) ->05:20
nptheck yeah I can carry a full debian with me in my pocket05:21
npti can take over the world!05:21
nptso, this 'red pill mode' is that easter egg true?05:22
npti assume yes, by one of the above comments about 'blue pill mode'05:22
SLiHm, blue pill is the non-default one, I think. I never remember which way they are anyway so please don't take my word for it.05:23
SLiI wish they had named the modes less geekily :p05:23
SLiHm, full Debian. I started to think, with bt keyboard and bt mouse you could possibly run something like kde or gnome on it if you wanted to.05:25
SLiBut then you lose a lot of the mobility.05:25
npti want to get a foldable small bt keyboard05:26
nptthat will be nice :)05:26
GeneralAntillesGo watch the Matrix again, SLi. :P05:26
GeneralAntillesRed-pill is the non-default05:26
nptyou want to take the red pill05:26
Dretchesdoes a BT mouse work?05:26
GeneralAntilles99% of the time you want to keep it on blue-pill05:26
GeneralAntillesNo, Dregz.05:26
GeneralAntillesred-pill just shows you extra packages which you don't really need to install05:27
GeneralAntillesand are more likely to fuck up your device.05:27
nptlike what?05:27
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Dregz|Aloofsomeone say  my name?05:28
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GeneralAntillesFun times with Crappy Cable.05:40
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j_ckjust for the record - n800 is again up and running. The trick was to remove the battery for 10secs, and it booted normaly. Wouldn't expect that trick to work06:31
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|Rwhat happened?06:31
j_ckit just stoped working. plain dead06:31
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j_ckthe last thing i did to it was to lock the touch screen, and after that it made no sign of life until I toke out the battery06:32
j_ck*toke == took06:32
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GeneralAntillesDid you press the power button to unlock it? :\06:39
|Rhehe06:42
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j_ckGeneralAntilles, yes, several times, but that won't do the trick06:57
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tranqilhas anyone changed hildon navigator plugins on the n800?07:34
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* |R just corrupted a friend into getting an n800 :P07:54
GeneralAntilles /conned :P07:54
VimSi|R: nice work ;)07:58
lopzbye08:00
GeneralAntillesLot of new users lately.08:00
GeneralAntillesHopefully some of them are devs.08:00
|Rhehe08:00
|Rthere is no | caracter in the onscreen keyboard or am i mad?08:01
GeneralAntillesIt's in one of the accent panels08:02
GeneralAntillesWhich is retarded08:02
|Ronly in the thumb mode though08:02
|Rah no ok08:02
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|Rweird08:02
|Rhehe08:02
GeneralAntillesIn stylus it's accents - > symbols middle right08:03
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|Rso i'll be able to video chat with someone soon :P08:06
|RIs the Instant messaging client the one with video?08:06
|R(i used pidgin up till now because i was alone with my cam ;)08:06
npthow do i get root on the xterminal so I can apt-get update?08:06
|Rnpt : sudo su - ? ssh root@localhost ?08:07
nptbut i don't know the password to the n80008:07
|Rhave you installed ssh?08:07
nptyes08:07
|Rok, the default is root / rootme08:08
|Rchange it ;)08:08
nptthanks a lot08:08
_Monkey|R: that doesn't look right08:08
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npt|R that didn't work08:09
nptat least not sudo su08:09
czrsudo gainroot08:09
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nptczr: I do that, and it says to enable RD mode to break my device08:10
nptdo i have to do the red pill thing first?08:11
czrah.08:11
|Rhehe08:11
czror08:11
|Rjust go with ssh08:11
czryou could install sshd08:11
czrthen login as root@device08:11
czrusing pwd rootme08:11
nptalready did08:11
nptok08:11
nptjust sec08:11
|Rand then add the sudo line to /etc/sudoers you can find on maemo.org guides or other places08:11
|Rthen you ll be able to sudo su -08:11
|R(oh and set a passwd for "user" i think, otherwise it won't work)08:12
|Ruh no08:12
|Rscrap the last line ;)08:12
nptthanks!08:12
|Rjust sudoers should do08:12
|Ruser ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL08:12
|Rroot ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL08:12
|Rthis, to the end of the file..08:12
czrhmh. I wonder what has caused all the sudden increase in intrest for snmp/graphviz/network/topology-tools in google08:13
czrgetting hit by that. not too badly, but more than normally.08:13
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Andy80hi08:24
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|Rwoah, my friend got his n800 tonight by the ncix special sale... and they're all gone now (sold out!)08:38
GeneralAntilles$$?08:39
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|Rwas 275$... tonight at 250$ CAD .. and now 329$ ... go figure :)08:54
Rask330o.O08:55
Rask330I got mine for $230 at buy.com08:55
Rask330(USD)08:55
Andy80Rask330: I wish they shipped also outside USA :(08:58
Andy80(I live in Italy)08:58
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Rask330What about amazon?  They were pretty cheap too, I seem to remember...08:59
Andy80they don't sheep hardware to Italy too -__-08:59
Andy80only books!08:59
Andy80I already tried08:59
Rask330:(09:00
Rask330Import/export laws are well beyond my skill to comprehend...09:01
Andy80it would be great if I could buy from USA in this way.... 1$ = 1,40 €09:02
Andy80:)09:02
Rask330Yeah, the US dollar is just... embarrassing right now.09:03
Andy80but... in this case Apple sucks: 1$ = 1€ !!! :(09:03
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Rask330It just makes me sad-- when I last went to europe several years back, one US dollar was equal to one Euro.09:05
Rask330I should've converted all my savings into Euro XD09:05
Rask330I'd have made a ton of money >.<09:05
Rask330140% is nothing to sneeze at..09:06
Andy80well... don't be so sad after all... you know what is the medium salary here :) ???09:08
Rask330What is it?09:08
Rask330Though, I have nothing to compare it to...09:09
Andy80assuming you work for 40 hours weekly, you can earn from 850€ to 1000€ at month!09:09
Andy80this is the salary of the 60-70% people here -__-09:09
czrpre-tax?09:10
Andy80already taxed....09:10
czrah.09:10
Andy80I think it's not so much...09:10
czrin finland the average would be closer to 1900 or smt close09:10
czrpeople working in it generally get more than the average though.09:11
Rask330Is that country-wide?09:11
roopethe average wage in 2005 in finland is 2500 euro.09:11
czrroope, yeah, pre-tax09:11
roopeyes. after-tax 1705 euro.09:11
roopesays Tilastokeskus.09:11
czrah, cool. thanks for the rectification09:11
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Rask330Hm..09:12
Andy80roope: it's still so much for me :)09:12
Rask330I'm trying to find out what it is for the US... but I only have breakdowns by city, state, or profession..09:12
roopeProbably ... Well, yes, it's an interesting question.09:12
roopeThe spread is probably much wider.09:12
Andy80off course there is also people here that earn 2.000 / 2.500 € but they manage a small-medium company or they are consultant...09:12
czrit is09:12
Rask330The median annual salary in Pennsylvania is USD 56066 == EUR 39306...09:13
Rask330=3276/month09:13
Rask330But that's before taxes.09:13
roopeAnd before things like medical insurance etc. :)09:14
Andy80Rask330: how much are the taxes there :) ??? here is about 50% !!!!09:14
Rask330I'm not really in a good position to tell you-- I'm a student now so I don't work full time x)09:14
Andy80I'm a student too at the moment...09:14
Andy80and belive me... it's not easy!09:14
c0ffeei doubt it's 50% taxes09:15
c0ffeeit's a common misconception09:15
Andy80a student here has to pay a lot of things.... annual university tax (about 1.000 euros.... ok ok... I know that USA univerities are more expensive :) ), you have to pay for transport ecc....09:15
c0ffeenormally, a big part is deduced for insurances etc09:16
c0ffeebut that aren't taxes09:16
Rask330My tuition is something like... 18000 to 20000 a year.09:18
Andy80c0ffee: belive me... if I started to work again, earnng 8-900 euros/month I won't be able to live alone. it's enough if you still live with your parents but it's not enough to live alone. the smallest apartment here costs about 450 €/month....09:18
Rask330(USD)09:18
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Andy80the problem here is that the 90% people that work in a own activity don't pay taxes! for example... if a consultant or a doctor earn 5.000€ he declares "I earned only 1.000"... understand the problem :) ??09:20
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Andy80(I left you without words :S )09:26
czrwe're too busy calling the policy and tax authorities, give us a sec.09:26
czrpolice even.09:27
Andy80ahahha :D09:27
Andy80you don't need to do it :) it's written, every day, on all newspaper :)09:27
czrwe told them to ask you about your doctor and consultant friends :-)09:28
Andy80:D09:28
Andy80and I didn't mention the famous people :)09:29
Andy80I think you read something about Valentino Rossi taxes issue :P09:29
czrah, that's why he drives so fast09:29
czrto escape.09:29
czrpoor man doesn't know that a race circuit isn't the best place to escape to.09:30
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Andy80shortly... is it possible, with a complicated organization, to earn money here in Italy, to move your residence outside Italy and transfer money outside...09:30
Andy80so he doesn't pay any taxes09:30
czrsure it's possible.09:31
Andy80but he's not the only one that does it.... the 99,9999% of famous people here, does it.09:31
czryou need to become famous then :-)09:31
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Andy80mmm.... too complicated... I simply want to marry Paris Hilton :D09:36
czrwell. become a maemo hacker then09:36
czrthey get all the chicks/guys they want. so I hear.09:36
Andy80:D09:37
pupnikTommy Chong09:37
Andy80I'm writing a simple howto that explain hot to install maemo sdk 4 beta... if it can help :) (I'm finishing writing it at the moment...)09:37
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pupnikhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=-lKfm8qA0CI  Tommy Chong on Paris Hilton09:39
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Rask330Eeeww.09:39
Rask330Andy80, you want to marry Paris Hilton?09:39
Andy80Rask330: she's so pretty, she has a lot of money... why not :D ???09:40
czrRask330, he lives in italy.09:40
czrI guess paris is hot over there :-)09:40
Rask330The money I can understand... buuut... eeeugh.09:40
pupnikyou gotta see the youtube clip09:41
Rask330She is emblematic of everything that is wrong with being too rich for your own good.  c.c;09:41
Rask330She's a spoiled-rotten brat and I hope she gets an STD.  c.c;09:41
czryes. I hope the IETF will name a standard after her as well!09:42
* czr hides & runs09:42
c0ffeei'd bet she already has a few stds09:42
Andy80sdt = ?09:43
c0ffeesexually transmitable disease09:44
czrspecial tinkering device09:46
* timelyx sighs09:50
* Rask330 calls it a night.09:50
Andy80ok... I finished the howto: http://www.ptlug.org/wiki/Howto_Installing_Maemo_SDK_4_Beta09:50
timelyxsdt = typo09:50
Andy80I would be glad if you read it and submit me any error :)09:51
czrAndy80, you could always announce it on the devel list as well09:51
czrif it's good enough09:51
Andy80and... if someone want to link/post on Planet Maemo I would be glad too09:51
czrat least it would be welcome change to the localization emails.09:51
Andy80ok, I'll submit on -devel ML now...09:51
c0ffee:)09:51
czrAndy80, you can also add to the email, "Paris, if you're reading this, marry me!"09:53
czrnever hurts to try you know.09:53
czrhmm. that would be a scary email signature.09:54
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Andy80:D09:54
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pupnikNice job Andy8009:55
* timelyx sends Andy80 a list of typos09:56
Andy80pupnik: thanks09:56
Andy80timelyx: you can fix them if you want :) it's a wiki! :) you only have to register to it09:56
timelyxi hate wikis and registration09:57
Andy80ok, then send me a mail :)09:57
* timelyx looks for the right gmail user09:58
Andy80czr: it would be nice to switch the interface from Hildon to... Hilton :D I think I'll submit this on bugzilla ;)09:59
czryou don't know how many times I mistyped that when i started with maemo09:59
czrway too many.09:59
timelyxAndy80: sent10:00
Andy80thanks... I'm fixing them...10:02
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* timelyx sighs10:26
* timelyx hopes this Qt4 project is veto'd10:26
timelyxassuming ITOS2008 has a keyboard *grumble*10:26
pupnikoh noes kde?10:27
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pupniki dunno if the maemo community can properly support both qt/gtk10:28
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mk8Hi to all .... :)10:30
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teprrrwhich qt4 project are you talking about?10:43
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JaffaMorning, all10:54
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Jaffamaddler: ping11:21
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:29
Sho_timelyx: hm, qt4 project?11:30
JaffaA random and intriguing (and, as he implies, worrying) comment from timelyx ther.11:31
timely_changelogheh11:34
timely_changelogi read the garage.maemo.org approval queue11:34
pupnikhttp://images.stage6.com/channel_images/refuselife/46b04019063ef.jpg   DOS humor (sfw)11:34
timely_changelogso i see dumb requests before they're approved/rejected11:34
Jaffapupnik: heh11:34
* flip^ peers in11:34
Jaffatimely_changelog: I'd hate to see the dumb requests which've been *rejected* ;-/11:35
timely_changelogsho_: anyone can ask garage to host a project11:35
timely_changelogjaffa: i have a very short memory :)11:35
timely_changelogbut my gmail box never forgets :)11:35
disq:)11:35
flip^Is it actually possible to record video with a n800... I've seen evidence of it done, but can't find any software to actually do it?11:35
timely_changelogflip: i think someone hacked the Camera app to do it11:36
Sho_timely_changelog: and the project in question is veto-worthy because it is related to qt4?11:36
timely_changelogsho: no11:36
timely_changelogi's veto worthy because it asserts that they don't need VKB support given the n810 has a keyboard11:36
timely_changelogeven though ITOS2008 runs on n800s11:36
Sho_timely_changelog: ah. yeah, I agree.11:37
timely_changelogand btw, i generally use my n810(proto) w/ the keyboard closed11:37
timely_changelogi only open it when i need to access the menu key while in full screen mode11:37
* timely_changelog kicks the hardware designers11:37
disqi need a tester with chinook final(-ish) or n810. just a quick install test11:37
timely_changelogotoh, that's arguably not as bad as11:37
timely_changelog[while locked and keyboard collapsed]11:37
timely_changelog1. press hardware power button11:37
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Sho_Since I don't see myself using the hardware keyboard a lot, I'm actually somewhat happy with the d-pad being moved away from the rim11:38
timely_changelog1' press [square] to unlock11:38
Sho_err11:38
Sho_unhappy, that is11:38
timely_changelog2. open keyboard to reach square11:38
timely_changelog2' device unlocked11:38
timely_changelog3. close keyboard (because device is unlocked)11:38
timely_changelog3' device locked11:38
timely_changelog4. arg, how do i unlock my device? (repeat from 1 ad infinitum if you like)11:39
timely_changeloganyone want to guess how to correctly achieve the goal?11:40
inztimely, tap on the screen while keyboard open11:40
inz;P11:40
timely_changeloginz: does that work?11:41
inztimely, it should11:41
JaffaIsn't there some kind of lock button on the top of the device now?11:41
disqit should cancel the auto-lock-me flag11:41
timely_changelogjaffa: the one in the protos is a gag, afaict11:41
timely_changelogbut yes, shipping versions have a working one11:41
timely_changelogdisq/inz: no one considered adding an info banner for this?11:42
timely_changelogand did anyone consider that the tray migh open in my pocket11:42
timely_changelogand would probably have the screen bumped...11:42
inztimely, the "lock key" is the primary trigger on n81011:42
* timely_changelog looks for an inz/fi=>en translator11:43
disqi'm not affiliated with nokia/osso man11:43
timely_changelogsorry11:44
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disq:) why, no need to be11:45
timely_changeloginz: lol11:45
* timely_changelog sighs11:46
* timely_changelog wonders if inz sees tha tab11:46
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inztha tab?11:47
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timely_changelogmy t key is flakey, 'that'11:48
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disqooh sardine has a sdk bootlogo now12:25
* timely_changelog should probably build another sardine xref12:26
disqi think it doesn't have ssh tho. when i try to install ssh it tries to remove some "core" packages12:26
timely_changelognice12:27
disqmm. latest doesn't have terminal or connectivity. or i messed up the upgrade12:28
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timely_changelogsp3000: your changes are official :), thanks12:36
* timely_changelog tries to remember how to pull sardine12:36
disqi got to install xterm. still, all the tray plugins are gone. all the cp applets except screen calibration is gone. weird. maybe the new ones are not up due to the chinook roll yet12:37
* timely_changelog sighs12:38
timely_changelogok, i think i know how i want my get_sardine script to work12:38
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disqi just do apt-get upgrade and then see the kept back packages and install them manually (and their deps) until all are installed12:39
timely_changelogyou're installing binaries12:39
timely_changelogi'm grabbing sources12:39
disqthere's probably a flag for an easier way but never got around to finding it12:39
* timely_changelog has no use for binaries12:39
timely_changelogsp3000: how does this look:12:40
timely_changelogif test -z "SKIPOPEN"; then12:40
timely_changelog$PRINT deb http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free >> $SRCLST12:40
timely_changelog$PRINT deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free >> $SR12:41
timely_changelogCLST12:41
disqon another note, xephyr inside Xvnc is acting up, I only see the green channel in my chinook beta sdk :) still can test stuff, just not as colorful12:41
timely_changelog#(oops)12:41
timely_changelogfi12:41
timely_changelogif test "$CLOSED"; then12:41
timely_changelog#...12:41
timely_changelogfi12:41
disqso the microb start page is final now, eh :)12:42
timely_changelogdisq: yes12:42
timely_changelogat least for the next 2 weeks12:42
timely_changelogi want sp3000 to give us another refresh for the next beta12:42
disqneat12:43
timely_changelogwow12:43
timely_changelogmicrosoft knows that ff2.0.0.8 is latest12:43
* timely_changelog should be impressed12:44
timely_changeloghttp://wer.microsoft.com/responses/Response.aspx/1778/en-us/5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0?SGD=e337878d-0beb-4adb-a87f-48f0b369e5c812:44
disqcareful, could be a trick :P12:44
timely_changeloglink looks correct12:45
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timely_changelogsp3000: http://swift/sardine-20071025/source/12:58
timely_changelog(anyone who can read that, can you tell me if anything there is smelly?)12:59
timely_changelogfwiw, openssh did end up in that list...12:59
disqhttp://swift/ is smelly13:01
timely_changelogyes, well13:01
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inztimely, can't open glimpse index-file13:19
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timely_changelogyes, it's building the index now :(13:22
timely_changelogsorry, that's an expesnive operation, it should be done in hrmm... how big is sardine?13:22
timely_changelog1gb, give it 10-15mins?13:22
Jitenok, I had n800 with x terminal open, with the shell in /media/mmc2, also, I had the keyboard locked, well, I forgot about the shell and plug in the usb cable. now the damn thing won't unlock :/13:22
timely_changelogfor the search, maybe another 30 for the xref13:22
Jitenwon't register the second button in the unlock combination13:23
timely_changelogjiten: ouch13:23
JitenI guess this dialog is blocking it and it's blocking the dialog ok-button13:24
Jitenand to top it all, I had it in offline mode.13:24
timely_changelogheh13:24
JitenI can't even shut it down ... I guess I have to remove the battery13:25
timely_changelog5s on power button doesn't work?13:25
Jitenno reaction, besides asking for the second button of the unlock mechanism13:25
Jitenwell, at least it seems to work after booting it up again.13:28
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JitenI guess there is some signal programs should react to when the system wants to detach the SD-cards?13:29
Jaffayep13:31
JitenI'll file a bug when I have time ... if I remember.13:33
vladanhi all. Scratchbox/maemo on Fedora seems to be not so good combo, right? I can't get maemo 4.0 beta to install...13:35
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vladancan anyone help me? Setting up libgtk2.0-bin seems to fail.13:38
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pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpAj0jHglGw  OpenGL cell shading on handheld PowerVR device13:54
JaffaVery nice. Don't hold your breath.13:54
pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkx18kruRJs  another one13:55
JaffaThat says it's running on a Linux 2.6 kernel. Of course, we'd still be screwed by the video bandwidth AIUI13:57
gla55nice13:57
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pupnikIt's a handmade unit, with an ARM11 cpu and OpenGL ES 1.114:02
pupniki.mx3114:03
gla55was wondering about that14:05
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pupnikMarkus Tremmel, worldwide OMAP ecosystem manager at Texas Instruments Inc spills the beans!  "The processor runs at 550 MHz, versus 330 MHz for OMAP2 processors."  http://www.eetimes.eu/germany/20240479914:18
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Jaffamediaserv 0.03 should have MythTV and Freevo support :-) MythTV is easier than I expected14:26
pupniknice14:26
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lopzbuenos dias14:54
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chellihi, does anyone know where to find some kind of information/tutorial/code examples about PyGconf, i can't realy find anything useful? :)15:03
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sciboyDamn. MicroB is crashing on startup.15:05
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sciboyI'll wait for IT2008 before I bother bug reporting.15:08
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alteregoInteresting.15:33
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alteregoAppearantly ARM are fronting their own mobile OS based on Gnome mobile technologies.16:08
pupnik_these guys do beautiful work with procedural textures http://www.theprodukkt.com/debris16:09
alterego(and Linux)16:09
pupnik_access?16:09
alteregoMeant for next generation phones though it seems.16:09
flip^they're the guys that did the 64k demo that i was very impressed by iirc pupnik_16:09
flip^first time someone used directx in a 64k demo iirc16:09
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pupnik_yeah16:14
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pupnik_I am excited about lsystems (procedural plants) and procedural landscape modeling as well.16:15
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pupnik_Xfrog sells beautiful procedural plant software16:15
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pupnik_These procedural textures would be nice for homebrew 3D games on portables16:16
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alteregoProcedural generating in Games is awesome.16:22
alterego~generation ..16:22
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pupnik_Yeah i really liked arena/daggerfall.  Though both could have used some more variation.16:22
TakTES++16:23
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gla55daggerfall was fun16:23
pupnik_Also you might recall Starflight and Star Control 2, which had nice procedural planets.16:23
solmumahadaggerfall <316:23
gla55aaa starflight :)16:23
alteregoI used to be very into game development. Then I stopped playing games and just kind of did things I felt like doing.16:23
gla55starflight should run with dosbox, no?16:23
pupnik_haven't tested, but it ran on 4.77mhz PCs16:24
alterego4.7 Mhz?!16:24
gla55pupnik_: one shouldn't forget frontier or frontier:first encounters either16:24
pupnik_I still have the 5.25 starflight disks.16:24
gla55i've lost mine16:24
pupnik_didn't play them16:24
gla55played on a 8mhz16:24
gla55frontier was awesome.. with it's whole planets16:25
wumpusyeah frontier was a very nice game :)16:29
wumpusalso buggy, but still16:30
alteregoFrontier, was that Elite II ?16:30
solmumahapupnik_: have you tried daggerfall with dosbox on pc?16:31
alteregoNice to see the chinook documentation section is growing.16:32
gla55 yeah16:33
gla55frontier: elita II was official title iirc16:33
gla55elite16:33
alteregoRight16:33
gla55shame about the few bugs though16:33
pupnik_solmumaha: yes - got tired of the endless dungeons though16:33
gla55and it left you to want mooooreeee of course16:33
solmumahabut it works ok?16:33
alteregoHmm ..16:34
pupnik_yes dosbox fixed the dynarec incompatibility with daggerfall around 2003-200416:34
solmumahai tried it on my wifes xp, it had bad control problems16:34
pupnik_did you see math/3d tile-mapping errors?16:35
solmumahagood to know, must try it on my macbook someday16:35
solmumahano, only control problems, ran it natively16:35
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cosmoanyone know how to debug a library that has external debugging symbols (in -dbg.deb)?17:06
mgedmininstall the -dbg.deb17:08
mgedmingdb knows to look for debugging symbols in /usr/lib/debug/17:08
cosmofor some reason it doesn't17:14
cosmobt prints only lines like #0  0xb7ad16b4 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libxxXxxx.so.017:14
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cosmothe debug files exist in /usr/lib/debug/17:14
mgedminand you have libxxXxxx-dbg installed?17:16
mgedminmaybe 0xb7ad16b4 is not a valid address17:17
mgedminis this on arm or on x86?17:17
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mgedminiirc you need special gcc flags on arm to get debuggable code17:17
cosmox8617:17
cosmoand the debugging package is installed (it installs the files in /usr/lib/debug/)17:18
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oyvindhello, are there a intigrated firewall on maemo?17:28
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oyvindso i can log into my bank edeting my account etc.17:31
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zoranoyvind, do you think "iptables"?17:32
oyvindNot sure if iptables is included on maemo, i dont own an n800 or so, just doing some research. If so, is iptables preconfigured17:34
zoranhm, yes and no17:34
zoranand I have 77017:34
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oyvindI use linux, but not so long so i dont have very big commandline skills, is it hard work configuring iptables or are there tools that can do all the work, like firestarter or guarddog?17:37
zoranmy opinion is that iptables on this gadget is not intended to work as classical firewall. It should stop and continue traffic of/from the device. works fine for stateless traffic. No nat and conntrack modules. so, no stateful.17:39
oyvindok, thanks17:42
zorannp17:42
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zpolhi17:45
_Monkeybonjour, zpol17:45
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JaffaScreenshot of mediaserv's (in-progress) Freevo & MythTV recording support: http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/mediaserv3.png17:49
cosmoJaffa: excellent17:50
keesjthe IT crowd rulez17:51
JaffaIndeed it does :)17:52
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keesjI really wonder how many open-source developers there are and how many are wanting to spend time on maemo18:00
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||cwJaffa: with your first version I wasn't able to stream anything to the 770's player18:02
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||cwand I wasn't able to save to mmc until it had finished encoding, it would always stop part way through18:02
Jaffa||cw: that should be fixed - there was a rather obvious bug. Although I don't have an IT OS 2006 device to test with. Apparently the current version works very well with IT OS 2007HE18:03
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playya2hello everybody18:22
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||cwJaffa: 770-encode also messes up sound, not sure why because when i use mencoder manualy it works fine18:25
pupnik_keesj - not counting the anonymous workerbees at Nokia, it feels like around 100 to me.18:31
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Jaffa||cw: on what platform? Any obvious differences between your mencoder line and the one 770-encode logs? Obviously that's a bug I'd like to fix...18:37
||cwJaffa: for the audio part, no, I even added a new preset that should match mine18:37
||cwI didn't spend much time with it though18:38
JaffaTHis on a mac?18:38
||cwubuntu 7.1018:38
JaffaDamn... same as me.18:38
JaffaUsing Ubuntu's own mencoder?18:39
Jaffax86?18:39
||cwyeah18:39
pupnik_i agree first place to look would be differences in mencoder line18:40
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JaffaYeah. ||cw: if you get chance and wouldn't mind running it again, I'd love a copy of the output from 770-encode and your mencoder invocation directly.18:40
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edistarI have a problem installing python2.5 it just tells me that the installation file is broken18:41
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edistarcan anyone help me with that?18:42
pupniki vaguely remember hearing about a package incompatibility with python, but did not pay attention18:43
edistarok18:44
||cwedistar: are you using the instructions form the garage site?18:44
edistarfrom pymaemo.garage.maemo.org18:44
||cwhm, that worked for me18:45
||cwinstalled the base first right?18:45
||cwand removed the 2.4 stuff?18:45
edistarI didn't have 2.4 on18:45
edistarI clicked on base installer and it added repository.maemo.org bora free non-free18:46
edistarand then I clicked on the next one, python 2.5 installed18:46
edistar*installer18:46
edistaritit dit doesn't tell me whats wrong18:48
edistaroh sry, ignore the first bit..18:49
edistarit only tells me that the installation file is not intact18:49
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pupnikapplication installer has a 'log' under one of the menus18:51
edistarok18:52
edistarI'll check that18:52
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edistarit tells me failed to fetch python2.5-dbus...armel.deb: Size mismatch18:56
edistarand then the same but with python2.5-gnome...armel.deb: Size mismatch aswell18:56
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JaffaWhat an odd email to maemo-dev19:05
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czrJaffa, the client/server one?19:09
czrI guess someone hasn't quite grasped the concept of socket programming quite yet.19:09
JaffaYes, but the other one from Sampo. Reads like a reply to a personal email - I had to double check the original wasn't.19:10
czrhmm. didn't get the one from sampo yet. got the one from tripti19:14
Tak"QEMU: stack overflow, aborting"19:14
* Tak ...19:14
Takalterego: did you build a rake package?19:14
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* Tak remove the test cases19:15
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sciboyHey is there any wiki-style software available for the N800? (And if possible my desktop)19:17
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Takweb browser? ;-)19:19
Jaffamicrob & TiddlyWiki19:19
* mgedmin would love to have Tomboy ported to maemo19:19
sciboyNever been hot on Tiddly, but I'll keep it in mind if I can't find an alternative.19:20
* Tak <3 Trac19:20
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alteregoTak, nope.19:22
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alteregoII'll need to if I plan to build more extensions19:23
* Tak building a couple of things19:25
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Takdid you hear anything from the current garage ruby maintainer?19:26
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alteregoNope19:27
alteregoI've not actually spoken to him yet :)19:28
* Tak tsk :-P19:29
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||cwJaffa: hm, something seems ot have gone wrong with my mencoder or lame with my 7.04 to 7.10 update19:32
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Jaffa||cw: so mencoder's fubar too now?19:40
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czrJaffa, got sampos message finally. indeed, seems like he thought it was a private one :-)19:49
czrat least the response seems to indicate that19:49
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Mekin_reloaded||cw: mencoder-mp3 problem: try to edit the file codecs.conf in the dir /etc/mplayer/ - set the 'audiocodec mad' entry before the 'audiocodec mp3'19:52
keesjtak i fixed the stack overflow in qemu when building ruby packages once19:52
||cwMekin_reloaded: I'll give that a shot, thanks19:52
||cwJaffa: yeah19:52
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Takkeesj: removing the huge amount of unit tests from one of the targets fixed it19:53
keesji was an option in qemu to increase the stack size. anyway . you worked around it19:54
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Bobbywazis there anyone around that can help? I google'd the shit out of my problem but can't get an answer19:58
Bobbywazwhen I plug in my n800 in xp it says device not recognized19:59
Bobbywazin multiple computers19:59
Bobbywazit seems something went askew with the mmc drivers20:00
czrBobbywaz, what size of mmc you have?20:00
BobbywazI installed maemo-dm, the usb networking app, but never really used it, I tried disabling it and that didn't work20:00
BobbywazI have the newest firmware with a 8gb sdhc and a 2gb sd, I tried it without the sdhc in the unit, still didn't work20:00
Takgoddamnit, my 770's in infinite-nokia-screen cycle again20:00
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||cwBobbywaz: are all applications closed?20:02
Bobbywazye20:03
Bobbywazs20:03
Bobbywazand I tried uninstalling maemo-dm20:03
Bobbywazsame problem20:03
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Bobbywazalright, screw this. I'll flash it20:04
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BobbywazI just need to learn how to flash it correctly, cause I don't want to be doing this every week20:04
BobbywazI guess R&D mode is what I need to do..20:05
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Bobbywazegh, I don't want to flash again20:10
Bobbywazno one has any idea?20:10
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thiagoss-awayI'd like to send a message to the dbus to deactivate the headphone, using python, can anyone help me ?20:26
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* Tak will turn off lifeguard reset tonight20:28
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Takhuzzah!20:29
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Taksuccessful deb build of rubygame :-D20:30
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alterego:)20:34
alteregoI have libsdl20:34
alteregoIt's part of ruby-maemo20:34
Takrubygame is more than just sdl bindings, though20:34
alteregoYeah I know.20:34
Takbiggest pita was building rake and rubygems20:35
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alteregoI won't bother with ruby gems.20:35
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TakRakefile:1:require 'rubygems'  :-/20:36
alteregoHeh20:36
alteregoGood luck using gems on a real device :P20:36
Taknah, that was just to build20:37
alteregoUnless you like lots of tea breaks.20:37
Takit's a build-dep, not a dep ;-)20:37
alteregocontext.rpc.run(:application => 'osso_browser', :method => 'load_uri', :arguments => ['google.co.uk'])20:38
alterego:)20:38
alteregoI've almost finished documenting libosso.20:39
Taknice20:39
czrapplication?20:39
alteregoYes, it's used to choose between a call with defaults or not.20:40
czrah. you're passing that directly to libosso20:40
czrof trust me, I know. just wondered for a moment why you called it application and not service or well-known name. but then realized that the name comes from libosso api :-)20:40
alteregocontext.rpc.run does: run, run_async and run/async_run-with-defaults20:40
czralterego, you know of any documentation on all the d-bus stuffs available so far? a nice single list.20:41
alteregoAh yes20:41
alteregoNo, not really :/20:41
czrme neither20:41
alteregoThere's libdbus API documentation20:41
czrI added emulation of the device mode in the material though20:41
czrthat's not what I mean20:41
czrI mean stuff like osso_browser and such20:41
alteregoAh, no.20:41
alteregoI'd love a service API ..20:41
czrservice api?20:42
czror you mean reference?20:42
alteregoAPI reference :P20:42
czrindeed.20:42
czrme too. it doesn't exist. yet.20:42
czrI almost generated one hoping I could get enough stuff using d-bus introspection20:42
alteregoI suppose now the browser is OSS and not Opera at least that's one element easily checked off :)20:42
czrbut the available d-bus trinkets hide their introspection stuff on purpose.20:42
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czrwhich is slightly PITA and a shame.20:43
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alteregoYeah, Introspection has to be added at the application level I believe.20:43
alteregoLike, you don't register a method. You just register an interface/object20:43
czrit comes automatically if you use glib/d-bus bindings (more or less)20:43
alteregoYes, the glib-dbus bindings are quite nice.20:43
czrergh. no they're not :-)20:43
alteregoI have no dbus bindings for ruby :/20:44
czrdoesn't ruby have any?20:44
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alteregoErm, no. Ruby doesn't have any decent DBus extension.20:47
alteregoIt has one that just uses dbus-send :/20:47
czrurgh20:48
czrhow come?20:48
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alteregoI was thinking of doing it.20:48
alteregoBut it's a _huge_ task :S20:48
alteregoMaking a proper OO DBus API for Ruby would be very nice though.20:48
alteregoWith automatic introspection too of course ;)20:48
czrI'd think someone had thought about doing it already, not?20:48
czrautomatic instrospection is kind of useless at least in maemo20:48
alteregoIt doesn't appear so. I spend quite a while looking.20:49
czras per above whining.20:49
czrinteresting.20:49
alteregoYeah20:49
czrI've yet to play with the python bindings properly.20:49
czrnot that I ever got python to play nice in bora to start with20:49
alteregoWhat problems did you have?20:50
czrusing extras messed up some stuff I was working on. and the libdbus bindings in extras for python are for a newer version than is available on bora20:51
czrso it kind of was funky.20:51
czrdidn't spent too much time playing with it, decided to make a proper vmware image of bora sdk instead20:51
alteregoKewl20:51
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czrthe image came out quite nicely20:56
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czreverything just works, boots very fast, is very light and small too, both sides of sdk are preconfigured, networking works even when you're using dhcp on the host, and so on20:57
Takboth sides?20:57
czrx86 and arm20:57
Takah20:57
TakI always forget, because I never use the x86 target20:57
czrah yes. it also contains magical glue to support running xephyr outside the vm (over ssh)20:57
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czrso that one can leave the vm running on vmware server on another host and just forget about the vmware frontend to the vm.20:58
alteregoCool.20:59
alteregoI might be able to use that ..20:59
czrthe whole thing ended up being ~550 MiB compressed20:59
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alteregoRunning scratchbox in a VM on one of my servers would be super handy. I could just ssh in and out. Use screen.21:00
czrsure21:00
czrthat's how I run scratchbox ever since21:00
alteregoEven develop _on_ a tablet ;)21:00
lopzhola21:00
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czrdon't want to pollute my main desktop with sbox cruftyness21:00
alteregoHow does VMWare server work?21:00
Jaffaczr: going to do a chinook version?21:01
czralterego, it's a client server arch. the server executes the vms. then you use the client to connect to it.21:01
czrJaffa, yes.21:01
alteregoThat sounds really awesome.21:01
alteregoIs it free like player?21:01
czralterego, it's free (as in beer) too21:01
alteregoFantastic.21:01
* alterego downloads immediately.21:01
JaffaBetter than player cos it can use multi-CPUs and expose them through to the VM21:01
czryup. the client/server isn't all that good when doing graphical stuff. but that's why I did the xephyr/ssh thingy21:01
czroh, it's many ways better than player21:02
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czrcreating a new vm couldn't be much easier21:02
alteregoI imagine it's always running. So if your client drops the connection you can reconnect later without losing anything?21:02
czrsure21:02
czras I said, I'm not running the client anymore21:02
alteregoAwesome.21:02
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czrjust use ssh to connect to the vm, /scratchbox/login (and -X to handle xephyr forwarding)21:03
alteregoNeat.21:03
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czrthe only thing I didn't get working in the vm-images was zerotools integrations inside scratchbox21:04
czrbut I think I could get that fixed if I could be bothered at some point.21:05
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keesjTak does the packaged deb require rake or similar or install?21:09
keesjor worse gems?21:09
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* keesj rembers vaguely that that was the point where he stopped trying 21:10
Takkeesj: no21:10
keesjgreat!21:11
keesjhow does it work? do you just copy the files to the right place?21:12
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Takbasically21:13
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alteregoRight, that's the libosso documentation done ... For now ... :)21:15
Takit's pretty much already doing that21:15
thiagossI'd like to deactivate the headphones from my n800 from my app, can anyone help me? I suppose I'll have to use dbus21:18
Takhttp://rafb.net/p/Sel4bl66.html21:19
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keesjThanks for the info, are the libs stripped?21:23
sciboyWhat's the name of that music video people keep on using to demonstrate youtube video on Maemo devices?21:23
czrmc hammer's can't touch this?21:24
sciboyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHnu94Cw59A21:26
sciboyFound it!21:27
sciboyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMOkfI7wCrI21:28
sciboyThe Postal Service - Such Great Heights21:28
GeneralAntillesHa . . . mediaserv is working now, but the audio comes through as static.21:28
GeneralAntillesStill, the video looks fantastic.21:30
alterego:)21:30
alteregoIf you turn the video off can we get good audio? ^_^21:30
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alteregoNice, my RPC mechanism segfaults.21:33
czrReboot Procedure Call?21:33
alterego:)21:33
czrReally Panicky Call?21:34
alteregoOnly on the server side.21:34
alterego~service side I guess ..21:34
alteregoI wonder if it has something to do with not having a .service file.21:34
czrserver is ok in my books though.21:34
alteregoThough I doubt that would cause a segfault.21:34
czralterego, you don't need a service file21:34
alteregoYeah, I've noticed.21:34
czryou using dbus-send to test?21:34
suihkulokkifor more cheasy youtube demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nONzp3h2wI421:34
alteregoczr, yeah.21:34
* czr nods21:35
alteregoI meant service file for the actual service ;)21:35
alteregoIt's obviously doing something though because the send crashes the program ^_^21:35
czrif the server is already running and has registered the well-known name, it doesn't need a service file21:36
alteregoCool.21:36
czrthe service file is only necessary if you want d-bus daemon to start your server when someone tries to use it's well-known name21:36
* alterego starts debugging ;)21:36
czralterego, the benefits of having to wade through a lot of docs and code while writing the material stuff :-)21:36
alteregoWell, I kind of realized that whilst testing my API.21:37
alteregoNoticing that I could do OSSO.initialize without having a .desktop or .service file.21:37
czrmake the server generate core and load it into gdb?21:37
czrsure21:37
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alteregoInteresting, my callback isn't even being called back.21:41
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alteregoOh, wrong code.21:42
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* czr rights the wrongs out of alteregos code21:44
alteregoFound the offending code ..21:44
czrjail it!21:44
czr(or you could always throw it out of the window?)21:44
* sciboy yawns.21:44
alteregoThis bit of code is pretty important.21:44
alteregoIt converts a GArray into a C array to pass as arguments to the callback.21:45
czrheh21:45
alteregoWell .. That sort of worked.21:46
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alteregoWoo :)21:48
czrjohn?21:48
alteregoI've successfully wrote a D-BUS LibOSSO service in Ruby :)21:48
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alteregoOh, my parents would be so pround21:49
alterego~proud21:49
sciboyI can't believe they went for Mini-SD in the N81021:49
alteregosciboy, appearanly there wasn't enough room for normal SD.21:50
alteregoWhich is believable.21:50
sciboyI'd let it slide in that case, but in general it really cripples the storage options.21:50
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czralterego, libosso service?21:50
czralterego, you provide d-bus service using just libosso?21:51
alteregoYup :)21:51
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alteregoThat's what I was just testing.21:51
czrwhich libosso functions do you use for that?21:51
alteregorpc_cb_f21:51
alteregoset/unset21:51
czrah21:51
czrerr. how do you handle demarshalling of the data inside the cb?21:52
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alteregoI have RPC_TYPE to Ruby Object conversions.21:53
alteregoIt's not perfect and probably possibly buggy but it seems to work.21:53
czrbut you do that manually, right?21:53
alteregoNo,21:53
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alteregoAutomagickally done by ruby-libosso21:54
czrhmm21:54
czrsuppose a rpc method call comes along which has three arguments, an integer, a double and a string array.21:54
czrhow do you attach a cb in this case? do you specify the types when attaching the cb, or decode the types in the wrapper and then just return an array of ruby objects instead? (one for each of the args)21:55
czr(just curious)21:55
alteregoWell, the integer and double would be fine. But array's aren't used by OSSO and are therefore not recognised my ruby-libosso21:55
czrright. so libosso does some of the demarshalling (into osso-types)21:56
alteregoHopefully.21:56
czrheh21:56
alteregolibosso passes the callback a GArray of the arguments.21:56
czrdamn. only now I realized that I should've written something about this too21:56
alteregoI iterate through that GArray converting the libosso types into Ruby types.21:56
czrso far I thought that libosso was only useful on the client side.21:56
alteregoThen pass that to the real Ruby callback.21:56
* czr nods21:57
alteregoIt's neat how it works, because it handles multiple callbacks out-of-the-box21:57
czrit's not neat that I've overlooked this.. damn.21:57
* czr practices head/wall interaction thingies.21:57
alteregoAlso, when you call the 'context.rpc.add_callback' method it returns an #<OSSO::Callback> which you can play with. For instance, change the 'data' paramter to be passed to the callback. You can even change the actual callback to be executed through the 'proc' attribute :)21:58
czrI've never used ruby btw :-)21:58
alteregoBut that's just my Ruby foo.21:58
alterego:)21:58
alteregoYeah, I don't mind not having D-BUS when LibOSSO gives about as much functionality as I can see a use for in Ruby.21:59
alteregoAdding a full D-BUS ruby extension now would make things a lot more complicated for programmers.21:59
alteregoI guess that's what libosso is about to begin with ;)22:00
* czr nods22:00
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czrhmph. the code examples went through couple of review rounds, without almost any comments, so I guess that if someone really wanted me to cover libosso rpc_cb, then they'd tell me so. /me shrugs22:02
alteregoRight22:02
* czr pretends that its not his problem22:02
alteregoOr, maybe your reviewers are a bit lazy ;)22:03
czryou don't say :-)22:03
czrI think they have better things to do.22:03
czrcan't really blame them.22:03
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alteregoHeh22:03
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czrhmm. I just realized that libosso can't be used to do rpc method calls with multiple out-parameters22:13
czrI wonder what will happen in that case22:14
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inzczr, surprisingly it will return the first and ignore the rest22:28
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czrinz, it doesn't crash? :-)22:28
czrno errors either?22:28
czrindeed. it is surprising :-)22:29
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czrI should really read through the code at some point22:30
timely_changeloginz: fwiw, sardine should be inddx'd22:30
czrotoh, I do have interesting stuff to work on as well. hmm. difficult decision. reading libosso source code or doing something else.. :-)22:30
inztimely, doesn't help when I'm at home ;)22:30
timely_changelogyomorrow22:30
inzczr, if you want to keep the last drops of your sanity, don't read libosso code22:31
disqhow's the latest non-public sardine? has the statusbar plugins?22:31
czrinz, I lost my sanity already two weeks back :-)22:31
disqi upgraded a few minutes ago all it did was install the new udev22:31
inztimely, I'll be working from home tomorrow ;)22:31
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inzdisq, what is non-public sardine?22:31
timely_changelog:(22:31
disqdunno. i'm assuming there's a private version with chinook goodness in it which will be public when chinook hits the fan22:32
inzdisq, well that's called chinook, not sardine22:32
timely_changelogsardine is actually held back in some cases because things can't enter sardine w/o building against sardine22:33
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timely_changelogso even though it's supposed to be bleeding edge22:34
timely_changelogit's no quite22:34
disqwhere's pymaemo-chinook? it's supposed to be released today22:36
disqlet me check the site22:36
lmouradisq, we're working on it22:36
disqbrazil time. i forgot about that. sorry :)22:37
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lmourano problem :)22:37
Bobbywazokay guys22:38
Bobbywazwhen I plug in my n800 to any computer22:39
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BobbywazI get the "usb device malfunction" err22:39
Bobbywazor22:39
Bobbywazwhat do I do about it22:39
Bobbywazready? ANSWER22:39
deejoeSUMMON: pizza22:41
deejoenope, doesn't work for me, either.22:41
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DrelHello -- I'm interested in examining the Maemo 4.0 beta SDK, but already have Maemo 3.2 installed under Scratchbox Apophis r4.  Can both versions co-exist under the same scratchbox installation, or would you recommend creating a /scratchbox-maemo4 path, for example, assuming Maemo 3.2 is configured in /scratchbox?22:46
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Bobbywazstill no pizza?22:47
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Andy80Drel: I suggest you to try in with the vmware image provided in the garage... if you have enough ram :)22:47
DrelAndy80: I'll give that a shot, thanks.22:48
Andy80you're wellcome22:48
Bobbywazman, if I only had a question that wasn't stupid, someone would help.22:48
czractually it's quite the reverse Bobbywaz22:50
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DrelAndy80: I went to garage.maemo.org, and located maemo-sd-vmware-0.2.  However, the torrent file appears to be invalid.22:51
DrelAndy80: Is there an alternate download location?22:51
Bobbywazhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=maemo-sdk-vmware-0.2&spell=122:52
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Andy80really don't know :\ I heard about it from the mailing list22:53
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DrelBobbywaz: No seeds for that torrent.22:54
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Drelhey hey, 1 seed.22:54
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chellihi, i am programming a small python application and want to use gconf for preferences, i am importing the gconf module with "from gnome import gconf", which works fine in scatchbox, but on the tablet itself i only get "ImportError: No module named gnome" am i missing a certain package? (python2.5-gnome is installed)23:05
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czrhmm. is there an easy way to detect whether n800 is on ac or not?23:11
luck^chelli, it's our fault.. a problem inside script to create the deb package.. we will fix it23:12
Takyeah, there's a dbus call23:12
luck^it's missing a __init__.py inside /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gnome23:12
Tak( @ czr )23:12
czrTak, which one?23:12
* Tak looks23:14
playya_czr, start dbus-monitor an unplug the power23:14
Takit looks like kagu's querying com.nokia.bme.request for charger_charging_off (and _on)23:14
czrthat's a signal. I want a method.23:14
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czrhmm. but is the charging status same as being connected to the cord?23:15
czr(if the battery is fully charged for example)23:16
chelliluck^: thanks, i thought i was my missing python knowledge (i just started learing python yesterday) ;-)23:16
luck^chelli :)  don't worry!23:16
* Tak shrugs23:17
czrTak, ok, thanks anyway :-)23:18
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playya_czr, look at the hildon banner for this23:20
czrplayya_, could you be more specific?23:20
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playya_if the battery is charged/ power unpluged a banner is displayed23:21
czrhmm. where should I look for the source code?23:21
playya_look at the code which method is called there23:21
czralso, I think it's still just signal based23:21
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czrbut I'll take a peek if I'd just know where to look23:21
playya_i dont have the tableteer repo in sources list23:21
czrhmm. infoprint is called hildon banner nowadays?23:23
czrthe D-Bus method is infoprint though.23:23
playya_is it started the other way?23:23
czrI have no idea23:23
playya_that the battery calls the banner?23:24
czrsomething calls the banner methinks23:24
czrcould be bme23:24
playya_i dont have a n800 atm23:24
czrno prob. I might return to this later on23:24
playya_ok23:25
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unique311anyone using xchat?23:27
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GeneralAntillesYes, unique311. Specifically skyhusker's port.23:28
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unique311any script that logs when someone uses your nick in a message..23:29
unique311besides log..23:29
unique311besides the log feature of xchat..23:29
GeneralAntillesHaven't bothered to look into it.23:29
unique311that logs entire sessions..23:29
unique311ok23:29
disqunique311: seen my comment for the quicksynergy, any thoughts? :)23:30
_MonkeyI haven't seen 'my', disq23:30
disqshut up _Monkey23:31
unique311yeah...i check it out..23:31
unique311will have to put it to use for the new OS23:32
disqyou could bundle the binaries with quicksynergy and launch synergy with the shellscript23:32
disqi really felt sorry for the people who reboot their tablets to show/hide the cursor. had to do something.23:32
unique311lol23:33
pupnikahhaha23:35
pupnik4992368 Oct 25 16:54 tofix.txt23:35
Bobbywazany news on that pizza?23:35
czrpupnik, that's a todo? :-)23:36
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pupnikty for that fix disq - sdl progs can hidecursor with a simple command23:37
disqyeah but can't do it systemwide can they23:37
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pupniktask-switching while sdl game is running?  heresy!23:42
pupnik:)23:42
disqdoesn't work like that in kagu. maybe because pygame handles it differently23:43
disqanyway, if you have a better solution than xsetroot just make a set_cursor script and post it in quicksynergy garage. i don't really want to compile/package xsetroot for maemo anyways :P23:43
disqi mean, i stole the binary from a sid-armel deb before23:44
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