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| flip^ | hmm, is guardiani.us dead? :( | 00:26 |
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| disq | yeah it's down atm | 00:34 |
| flip^ | thank goodness for google's cache :) | 00:35 |
| flip^ | tho finding acmonitor could be a pain | 00:36 |
| pupnik | pupnik.de has it | 00:37 |
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| flip^ | aha, so it does. ta | 00:38 |
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| flip^ | pupnik: are the 770 and n800 versions actually difference | 00:39 |
| flip^ | er | 00:39 |
| flip^ | different | 00:39 |
| flip^ | as you only seem to have the 770 version mirrored ;) | 00:39 |
| pupnik | yes i made the 770 version | 00:39 |
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| flip^ | i presume it'd be better for me to have the n800 one tho? | 00:40 |
| pupnik | both should work actually, the 800 version helps keep network connection alive supposedly | 00:41 |
| * flip^ nods | 00:41 | |
| flip^ | well, i guess i can leave claws running to achieve that :) | 00:41 |
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| flip^ | ok, before i reflashed, i used to have this nifty little thing on my status bar which showed cpu/ram usage, the time, and acted as a launcher... anyone know what i'm talking about, as i can't remember where i got it from | 00:43 |
| disq | ossostatusbarcpu? | 00:43 |
| disq | _Monkey: osso-statusbar-cpu? | 00:43 |
| _Monkey | osso-statusbar-cpu is at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu | 00:43 |
| disq | yep | 00:43 |
| flip^ | that sounds about right :) | 00:43 |
| disq | btw.. found out that minimo works better at iphone.facebook.com than microb | 00:45 |
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| bobbywaz | hey guys | 01:33 |
| bobbywaz | is there some website or app that replaces the beta of internet call invitation | 01:34 |
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| bobbywaz | I want to make video calls, but I don't know anyone else with an n800 | 01:34 |
| bobbywaz | I thought I would be able to video chat with skype | 01:34 |
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| bobbywaz | it's kind of a retardedly stupid thing to remove from the device | 01:35 |
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| bobbywaz | anyone? | 01:38 |
| bobbywaz | anyone? | 01:38 |
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| pupnik | ? | 01:40 |
| pupnik | video calling is a 'core app' for a camera-enabled internet tablet imo | 01:40 |
| zwnj | :* | 01:41 |
| bobbywaz | so I take it that means no. | 01:41 |
| pupnik | so yeah you should be able to use skype or whatever | 01:41 |
| bobbywaz | I've got to call people with n800's to use it | 01:41 |
| pupnik | unique311 knows about this stuff - check the internettablettalk.com forums about it | 01:41 |
| pupnik | imo you should be able to call whomever | 01:42 |
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| bobbywaz | alright | 01:47 |
| bobbywaz | anyone happen to know a repo where I can get samba or aircrack? | 01:47 |
| jjo | 'internet call invitation' was kinda tied to the owners of n800 | 01:47 |
| jjo | n800 owners could only call other n800 users or (windows) pc users that have received an invitation from n800 owner | 01:48 |
| bobbywaz | I have an n800, that's exactly what I want | 01:49 |
| jjo | and the pc users couldn't call each other, only n800 users that had sent them invitations | 01:49 |
| bobbywaz | I want to be able to talk to my friend in Massachusetts with video, on my N800 without buying her an N800 | 01:49 |
| bobbywaz | I'm fine with that. | 01:50 |
| bobbywaz | I just want something that does that | 01:50 |
| bobbywaz | anything | 01:51 |
| _Monkey | i heard anything was possible | 01:51 |
| jjo | I'm not sure if the initial release of skype did that (voice only?) but as I understand it is planned even if it's not supported right now | 01:51 |
| bobbywaz | so no one knows of a pc-to-n800 video chat app at all, unofficial spanish betas included | 01:54 |
| jjo | seems that gizmo 4.0 beta can do that | 01:55 |
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| bobbywaz | really? | 01:58 |
| bobbywaz | I have that... | 01:58 |
| bobbywaz | lemme see | 01:58 |
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| disq | guardiani.us seems to be back up | 02:02 |
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| bin2hex | can anyone tell me if its possible to put the flash player back on my n800 after removing it? | 02:06 |
| disq | the easiest would be to reflash the firmware (how did you remove it in the first place? sure you didn't just disable flash in the browser?) | 02:07 |
| bin2hex | id prefer not to have to reflash it (no pun) | 02:07 |
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| bin2hex | removed it from app manager | 02:08 |
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| disq | ooh, is it listed there? interesting | 02:08 |
| disq | no idea (for now) | 02:08 |
| bin2hex | yeah, i think i disabled it without knowing, so tried to reinstall :-/ | 02:10 |
| bin2hex | i thought it might be a reflash | 02:10 |
| bin2hex | thanks disq | 02:11 |
| bin2hex | off to sleep now | 02:11 |
| disq | good luck :/ night | 02:11 |
| bin2hex | cheers | 02:12 |
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| bobbywaz | anyone here know how to use aircrack-ptw on an N800 | 02:22 |
| esworp | yo n stuff. | 02:22 |
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| esworp | soe, like.. i think that I have a problem with opera on my n800... | 02:24 |
| esworp | downloads aren't working right. | 02:24 |
| bobbywaz | are they going backwards at points? | 02:24 |
| esworp | yeah. | 02:24 |
| bobbywaz | it says, 60% done, then 40% | 02:24 |
| esworp | yup | 02:24 |
| esworp | and then it'll stall | 02:24 |
| bobbywaz | mine does that too, I just got my n800, I don't know how to fix it yet | 02:25 |
| esworp | it has kinda put a damper on instaling .deb files. | 02:25 |
| bobbywaz | yes | 02:26 |
| esworp | where in the n800's file structure are the config-type files for the browser? | 02:27 |
| * esworp wants to try and nuke the parts that handle file associations. | 02:27 | |
| bobbywaz | seriously though, there is a router at work that we don't know the WEP key or password to, and we can't remove it... I'd really like to find out the WEP key to it. Can someone give me a really short walkthrough of aircrack on an N800 or at least answer a few of my question | 02:28 |
| bobbywaz | s | 02:28 |
| zerojay | There's a ton of stuff about that on Google. | 02:29 |
| bobbywaz | I'm looking around, they all don't say things like how to find out my mac address, I don't even know the /dev/ name of wifi | 02:29 |
| bobbywaz | I wasn't ever a hardcore linux use | 02:30 |
| zerojay | X.Org and KDM security hole... | 02:30 |
| zerojay | X.Org's composite extension has a local privilege escalation. | 02:31 |
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| bobbywaz | so what you're saying is, I should know what those two things are | 02:32 |
| bobbywaz | because I don't | 02:32 |
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| zerojay | KDM can allow a user to login without a password if the machine is configured with auto-login for at least one user when a password is required to shutdown the machine. | 02:32 |
| zerojay | bobbywaz: No, I'm not. One has nothing to do with the other. I'm just informing people of a security hole that was found. | 02:33 |
| Atarii | bobbywa, just hard reset the router | 02:33 |
| Atarii | z* | 02:34 |
| zerojay | Take it off the network. | 02:34 |
| bobbywaz | I can't lose all the port forwards in it... It's the only router for the whole company... and with all the things they have plugged in, it would be much easiser to aircrack it... especially since I am really interested in learning how to do it reguardless. | 02:35 |
| bobbywaz | alright, forget aircrack then. how do I find my mac address | 02:36 |
| solmumaha | bobbywaz: of your tablet? | 02:42 |
| bobbywaz | nevermind, I got that far | 02:43 |
| bobbywaz | now, I believe I need root to use aircrack, so I'm doing that | 02:43 |
| solmumaha | k, you can find it from control panel -> device -> about product | 02:44 |
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| eswon800 | bah. | 03:08 |
| pupnik | ? | 03:08 |
| eswon800 | the download glitch is bumming me out. | 03:09 |
| eswon800 | .deb files are recognized by opera as openable, and downloads dont work properly. | 03:11 |
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| eswon800 | didnt start till after i restored after a firmwared update. | 03:13 |
| eswon800 | maybe they changed something | 03:15 |
| eswon800 | where in the file structure would i go a-hunting, you suppose? | 03:16 |
| pupnik | do you have free space on flash memory? | 03:17 |
| pupnik | do they open app manager at all? | 03:17 |
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| eswon800 | i have space, and 'open' is grayed out. the file doesn't download right, so the manager doesn't open it. | 03:20 |
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| eswon800 | the percentage progress goes up and down for a bit, then the xfer stalls. | 03:20 |
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| pupnik | never seen that before - sounds like opera problem | 03:22 |
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| pupnik | use apt-get or wget and local file install | 03:23 |
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| eswon800 | i think i'll dl another browser; see if it's the browser, or something else | 03:24 |
| bobbywaz | can someone tell me how I can get verbose errors in the app manager? i can't install shh and it doesn't say why | 03:27 |
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| pupnik | there's a log in app mgr | 03:27 |
| atun | !list | 03:27 |
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| bobbywaz | thanks | 03:29 |
| eswon800 | doh! i can do a local install; the downloads don't complete | 03:30 |
| timeless | rm | 03:39 |
| timeless | anyone here speak finnish? | 03:39 |
| timeless | i'm looking for robin hood's finnish time slot | 03:40 |
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| zerojay | Someone should port this: http://www.pineight.com/tod/ | 04:01 |
| zerojay | So we can have a way to induce vomitting no matter where you are. | 04:02 |
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| JesseT77 | Haldo | 04:03 |
| JesseT77 | dpryo: Hello! | 04:04 |
| JesseT77 | dpryo: What model gps unit were you speaking of before, BU-353 or similar? | 04:05 |
| * JesseT77 has a BU-353 and is trying to see how to access usb gps data from N770 | 04:06 | |
| pupnik | zerojay: what is that? | 04:07 |
| pupnik | zerojay: what are you referring to on that page? | 04:08 |
| JesseT77 | pupnik: It's a psycho version of tetris, makes you sick if you try and play it. | 04:08 |
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| Deformative | Does anyone have an assembler on their nokia? | 04:14 |
| pupnik | you mean lockjaw? | 04:14 |
| Deformative | ? | 04:15 |
| pupnik | re JesseT77 | 04:17 |
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| Deformative | ?? | 04:18 |
| pupnik | i'm talking to someone else | 04:18 |
| pupnik | i.e. not you, Deformative | 04:18 |
| Deformative | Oh. | 04:19 |
| Deformative | Could you be talking to me? | 04:19 |
| Deformative | I cannot find an assembler in the repository. | 04:19 |
| pupnik | only thing i know that assembles is gcc | 04:19 |
| Deformative | Gcc installation fails. | 04:19 |
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| edt | any ideas why gstreamer / mediaplayer would decide that formally playable videos now have unsupported codex (it reports this ONLY after buffering) | 05:24 |
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| bobbywaz | hello guys | 07:52 |
| bobbywaz | can someone help me. I seem to have broken my wifi on my n800 | 07:52 |
| bobbywaz | I don't want to reflash it since I spent the entire day setting it up | 07:52 |
| bobbywaz | ..and also because whatever's wrong might be in a config file that will backup | 07:53 |
| kupesoft | Did you try rebooting? | 07:53 |
| bobbywaz | yes | 07:54 |
| kupesoft | Okay | 07:54 |
| bobbywaz | when I goto select connection, nothing shows but my cell profiles, and there are like 15-20 routers I can see usually | 07:54 |
| kupesoft | lsmod? | 07:54 |
| bobbywaz | lsmod... | 07:55 |
| bobbywaz | I just installed cifs support | 07:55 |
| bobbywaz | I don't know what lsmod means though | 07:56 |
| bobbywaz | I'm nub | 07:56 |
| bobbywaz | I used insmod ./cifs.ko | 07:56 |
| bobbywaz | could this have something to do with it | 07:57 |
| kupesoft | Dunno, | 07:57 |
| _Monkey | Dunno, is probably a beta of something that, in brief, hasn't been applied in community projects before - or not that we know - so just try and tell us what you like, what you miss, what you think hasn't got a point | 07:57 |
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| czr | pupnik, gas assembles (gcc internally calls it ;-) | 08:25 |
| czr | and morning | 08:25 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 08:25 |
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| unique311 | anyone successfully compile OWB? | 09:37 |
| unique311 | YAWB | 09:37 |
| sciboy | Yet another wine blog? | 09:37 |
| unique311 | yet another web browser | 09:38 |
| unique311 | http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/wiki/OwbN800 | 09:39 |
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| unique311 | followed those steps, getting an error on cmake. | 09:39 |
| unique311 | which is the command before make for the browser | 09:40 |
| sciboy | What's the error? | 09:40 |
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| czr | any idea what com.nokia.AS_DIMMED_infoprint well-known name represents? :-) | 09:41 |
| unique311 | cmake ../owb-n800 | 09:42 |
| unique311 | host_usr/bin/cmake: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 09:42 |
| unique311 | i went thru all the steps, made sure that file is located where its supposed to be. | 09:43 |
| unique311 | still get the error | 09:43 |
| sciboy | Is it the right version for that platform? | 09:45 |
| sciboy | A 32-bit app under 64-bit still requires 32-bit libraries and will complain when it can't find any. | 09:45 |
| unique311 | i'm guessing it os | 09:47 |
| unique311 | is | 09:47 |
| unique311 | followed all the links. | 09:47 |
| unique311 | you saying wrong cmake? | 09:47 |
| sciboy | Maybe, try different stuff out and see what happens. | 09:48 |
| sciboy | I was saying more along the lines of making sure you got the right version of libstdc++.so.6 for cmake | 09:49 |
| unique311 | mkdir lib && cp -l /targets/SDK_X86/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6* lib | 09:49 |
| sciboy | Under amd64 debian, I usually do, | 09:49 |
| sciboy | apt-file search <file> to find which package has it. | 09:50 |
| unique311 | the SDK_X86 part should be the armel libs? | 09:50 |
| sciboy | Go to http://package.debian.org/<package-name> and download the i386 package. | 09:50 |
| sciboy | Then run dpkg -X <package-file> /emul/ia32-linux/ | 09:50 |
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| sciboy | After that the 32-bit application has what it wants. | 09:51 |
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| unique311 | i'll just use minimo. | 10:07 |
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| sciboy | unique311, MicroB and Minimo are two different things right? | 10:23 |
| unique311 | well | 10:23 |
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| unique311 | 2 different web browsers | 10:23 |
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| unique311 | i use microb | 10:24 |
| sciboy | Does it work well? | 10:24 |
| unique311 | but been trying those iphone friendly site | 10:24 |
| unique311 | microb do well with them | 10:25 |
| unique311 | just want to try out different browsers and see which gives best result | 10:25 |
| unique311 | read that minimo crashes alot. | 10:26 |
| unique311 | still going to try it out. | 10:26 |
| unique311 | sciboy: here's screenies of minimo http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2007/03/minimo-maemo-port-01611-1-available.html | 10:29 |
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| unique311 | minimo wins... | 10:52 |
| sciboy | Wins what? | 10:53 |
| gomiam | sciboy: unique311 means minimo works better for him than the vanilla Opera browser, I guess. | 10:53 |
| unique311 | yeah | 10:53 |
| sciboy | But compared to microb? | 10:54 |
| unique311 | works better with the iphone sites... | 10:54 |
| unique311 | better than microb with | 10:54 |
| unique311 | strong with | 10:54 |
| unique311 | the iphone friendly sites. | 10:54 |
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| unique311 | i like the tabs | 10:55 |
| unique311 | can microb or opera do tabs? | 10:55 |
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| czr | hmm. are the introspection informations missing from com.nokia.statusbar missing by purpose? | 11:07 |
| czr | (or any of the other D-Bus objects in the SDK for that matter) | 11:07 |
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| bergie | interesting... http://tabletblog.com/2007/10/third-tablet-gets-name-nokia-n810.html | 11:36 |
| pupnik | yes ty | 11:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ooooh, cool. | 11:42 |
| sciboy | I am now lagging, yay for uploads! | 11:43 |
| pupnik | doesn't 810 imply an 800+wimax? | 11:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, doesn't sound like a generational upgrade. | 11:47 |
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| sciboy | Good! | 11:48 |
| sciboy | =D | 11:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wimax couldn't possibly interest me any less. | 11:48 |
| sciboy | Means the focus is still on developing this generations device. | 11:48 |
| gla55 | the name implies 800+ something little | 11:48 |
| gla55 | like wimax | 11:48 |
| gla55 | nokia probably needs a wimax product for pilot projects etc | 11:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | sciboy, they've already said that they're not going to drop support for the N800 like they did the 770. >_> | 11:49 |
| gla55 | but i coldn't care less about wimax either | 11:49 |
| gla55 | GeneralAntilles: saying doesn't make things so ;) | 11:49 |
| sciboy | GeneralAntilles, Yeah but even with a new device that means developers would slowly abandon ship. | 11:49 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 770 is still quite well supported by developers (except where limited by power), so I don't see the point. | 11:50 |
| gla55 | if the new device had more buttons etc.. that would mean apps not suitable for the old devices and support slowly dropping | 11:50 |
| sciboy | The point doesn't matter at all since it won't be happening. | 11:50 |
| sciboy | Yay N800! | 11:51 |
| pupnik | as far as this user is concerned, any new nokia still has to beat the 770 | 11:51 |
| flip^ | never been tempted by a n800 pupnik ? | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Psh, the N800 has already soundly done that. | 11:52 |
| pupnik | yes but not $400 tempted | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's only $230. | 11:52 |
| pupnik | closer to $400 in germany | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, sorry about that. ;) | 11:53 |
| flip^ | $230 for a n800... i know i'm on a different currency, but that sounds very low | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what it is. | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | buy.com | 11:53 |
| _Monkey | i think buy.com is awesome because they ship free and dont charge tax a lot of places | 11:53 |
| flip^ | are they US only? ;) | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yup | 11:54 |
| flip^ | shame | 11:54 |
| flip^ | and i've lost touch with my american friends that could have mailed it to me... but i've got mine now anyways | 11:54 |
| sciboy | I just got my N800 from the only local store that stocks it. | 11:55 |
| sciboy | Dispite the lack of said price drop. =( | 11:55 |
| flip^ | I don't think we've got a store round here that stocks it | 11:55 |
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| cy- | sup | 11:59 |
| sciboy | Flaming monkeys! | 11:59 |
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| czr | flying beavers | 12:11 |
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| sciboy | So the N800 can't handle 800x480 video at a reasonable rate? | 12:34 |
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| flip^ | depends on the encoding, sciboy ... it'll cope with a lot of videos in mplayer, but if its re-encoded to be optimised for the n800, you can get decent playback | 12:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 1000-1500Kbps Xvid/MP4 @ 400x240 (padded) | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the resolution to use. | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Period. | 12:35 |
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| sciboy | Oh good, cause the guides I read said to stick to 400x240 | 12:35 |
| sciboy | =| | 12:35 |
| sciboy | Damn. | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pixel doubling | 12:35 |
| _Monkey | Pixel doubling is probably fun | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks good and runs cleanly. | 12:35 |
| guardian | morning maemo | 12:36 |
| sciboy | I'll have to wait and see then. | 12:37 |
| TPC | GeneralAntilles, does it really have to be padded? | 12:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, since there isn't a video on the planet in a 10:3 aspect ratio . . . yes. | 12:38 |
| sciboy | I guess my first impression is that'd be bad, but it's probably a different story when you go from 75dpi to what ever the tablet screens are. | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | erm, 5:3, rather | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it looks fine at that rez. | 12:39 |
| TPC | no what I mean is, doesn't it work just as well if its 320x240 for 4:3 movies? | 12:39 |
| HGFB | I wonder if we'll see any video playback improvement in the N810 | 12:39 |
| TPC | or can't it use the hardware pixel doubling if you do that? | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably 4:3 is fine. | 12:39 |
| sciboy | Holy crap, 225dpi? | 12:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm not familiar enough with the intricacies of media playback on the N800 to say for sure. | 12:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, yeah. | 12:40 |
| sciboy | ... Something tells me the screen is a whole lot smaller than I am expecting. | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4.5" | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | or 4.1" | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't remember. | 12:41 |
| * sciboy shrugs. | 12:41 | |
| sciboy | Those measurements mean nothing to me. | 12:41 |
| TPC | yep, the 225dpi is very nice | 12:42 |
| TPC | this is what I've been using: mencoder -o "n800/filename.avi" -oac mp3lame -lameopts preset=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=600:threads=4 -zoom -vf dsize=400:240:2,scale -idx "filename.avi" | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10.5cm | 12:42 |
| sciboy | GeneralAntilles, Diagonal? | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 12:42 |
| TPC | the dsize means that it scales to either the x or the y value, depending on what what would make it the largest | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | 9.0x5.5cm | 12:42 |
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| TPC | but it doesn't do padding | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll have to try that, TPC | 12:43 |
| TPC | its worked very well for me at least, nice quality, small size, fast encoding speed | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make it easier than padding by hand. | 12:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles is a mencoder nooblette. | 12:43 | |
| sciboy | GeneralAntilles, Damn, much smaller than I was expecting. | 12:44 |
| TPC | dsize is a pretty new addition to mencoder iirc | 12:44 |
| sciboy | At least it'll fit in my pocket. | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta fit in your pocket,. | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, yeah. ;) | 12:44 |
| TPC | I think the N800 screen size is very nice | 12:45 |
| sciboy | I honestly don't know what to expect now. | 12:45 |
| TPC | the pda I had before was about the same height, but it wasn't widescreen | 12:45 |
| TPC | and it was only 320x320 | 12:45 |
| TPC | and it was reasonably fine for watching movies, etc | 12:46 |
| TPC | but N800 is great for it | 12:46 |
| sciboy | I have a GP2X, 320x240. | 12:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N800 is absolutely fantastic. | 12:47 |
| TPC | what I especially like about the high resolution compared to screen size on the N800, is when reading ebooks | 12:47 |
| TPC | its much better than reading on a computer screen, or my old pda | 12:47 |
| sciboy | I'll be viewing images at a short distance. | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be the greatest ebook reader on the market. | 12:48 |
| TPC | a normal computer screen is about 100 DPI, when they print paper books they print at about 300 DPI | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Images look fanstastic | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | minus the 64k-color screen. | 12:48 |
| sciboy | minus? | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully that gets improved in the next version. | 12:48 |
| TPC | for reading you only really need two colors :P | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | You really notice it with gradients and such. | 12:48 |
| TPC | (and those should not be black and white, too high contrast) | 12:49 |
| sciboy | Oh, it's only a 8-bit panel K. | 12:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I use white on black at a low brightness. | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks great | 12:49 |
| sciboy | But isn't it less noticable at 225dpi? | 12:49 |
| TPC | GeneralAntilles, try light grey on black instead | 12:49 |
| TPC | trust me, its even better | 12:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gradients? Hardly. | 12:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | At low-brightness, the text basically is gray. ;) | 12:50 |
| TPC | and you can read for alot longer and not have your eyes take damage | 12:50 |
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| TPC | yeah | 12:50 |
| TPC | but with a light gray its even better | 12:50 |
| TPC | and sometimes you have to go to high brightness (if outside on a sunny day or something) | 12:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gray is pointless | 12:51 |
| sciboy | It is actually viewable outdoors? | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | adjust the white intensity with the backpanel | 12:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | saves the battery. | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 12:51 |
| TPC | yes, but in direct sunlight its hard to see things | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I live in Florida and it's fine in summer sunlight. | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Transreflective would be nice. | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's fine as it is. | 12:51 |
| HGFB | The only time I have problems seeing my N800 is in very strong direct sunlight | 12:52 |
| HGFB | Normally on the train to work when I actually want to see it though :) | 12:52 |
| sciboy | TPC, Hard, being, squint your eyes and try to see anything but the lcd itself, or really washed out colours but still easily recognisable? | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody use the device over VNC? | 12:53 |
| TPC | sciboy, you can see good enough to control some apps, like changing song when playing music, but I wouldn't watch a movie or read a book in direct sunlight in the middle of the day | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any recommendations for getting enter to send enter instead of bring up the fullscreen board? | 12:54 |
| TPC | but holding your hand up as shadow makes it viewable | 12:54 |
| TPC | and of course the sun is alot stronger at 10-14 than it is later in the afternoon, you might be fine in the afternoon, I really haven't tried it that much | 12:54 |
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| TPC | but its alot better than my old pda, my old pda I couldn't use outside at all | 12:57 |
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| sciboy | Here's hoping. | 13:10 |
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| sciboy | Hi lard | 13:13 |
| lardman | morning sciboy | 13:13 |
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| sciboy | Okay, news of my order should arrive tomorrow. | 13:24 |
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| * sciboy does some quick research on existing 2d game engines that'd likely run under the N800 | 13:30 | |
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| sciboy | Seems pygame is the main way to go, but I might even use python for the backend and use the browser as the interface. | 13:35 |
| lardman | sloooow | 13:42 |
| sciboy | What is? | 13:42 |
| lardman | that would be I imagine | 13:42 |
| lardman | python + browser for a game | 13:42 |
| disq | i mixed pygame with gtk. using a gtk modal dialog to get input from the user | 13:43 |
| sciboy | I haven't tried the browsers under the n800 yet, but in theory it'd only be as fast as they are. | 13:43 |
| lardman | anyone here done any video decoding profiling? | 13:45 |
| sciboy | That aside, provided they're not incredibly slow the python backend wouldn't be doing much work, it's just to store users progress and serve files as needed. | 13:45 |
| sciboy | Also play sounds, if I ever get around to that. | 13:45 |
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| sciboy | Anyway advantage is that'd enable me to develop the content in a graphic environment. | 13:52 |
| lardman | what kind of game will this be? | 13:53 |
| sciboy | At its most demanding, basic side-scroller with point'n'click elements. | 13:53 |
| lardman | pupnik_: you're awfully quiet what with the mention of games! | 13:58 |
| lardman | :) | 13:58 |
| sciboy | Anyway, once I get my hands on my N800, it'll only take me an hour to find out how well it'd work out. | 13:58 |
| lardman | well good luck, games aren't really my thing I'm afraid | 13:59 |
| sciboy | I'm not a programmer so there isn't much else I can really contribute. =P | 13:59 |
| lardman | I seem to remember I learned to program so I could get around the security restrictions and play solitaire on my school network... :) | 14:02 |
| sciboy | Time well spent ey? | 14:03 |
| lardman | of course :) | 14:03 |
| sciboy | I got into art because I failed at programming. D: | 14:03 |
| lardman | *shudder* | 14:03 |
| lardman | I wasn't too good at art | 14:04 |
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| sciboy | I wasn't either 2 years ago. | 14:04 |
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| sciboy | But 2 years has been plenty of time to draw. | 14:04 |
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| lardman | give me 20 years perhaps :) | 14:05 |
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| sciboy | Or a bulk order of computer paper and lead for a mechanical pencil. | 14:06 |
| lardman | CAD package I reckon | 14:07 |
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| lardman | back to my earlier question, has anyone done any video decoding profiling? | 14:08 |
| sciboy | Web games make me cry but I'll be darned if I don't try to improve on it, considering the amount of work that has already gone into the browsers themselves. | 14:08 |
| lardman | I wonder whether you need the overhead of the rest of the browser, and how much that would impact performance | 14:09 |
| lardman | i.e. would it be better to rip out the html renderer and use that | 14:09 |
| sciboy | It'd make the demands sky rocket, but I'm doing my best to keep everything piss simple to compensate. | 14:09 |
| sciboy | Oh, the HTML renderer is where most of the work will be done, I doubt all the rest will do much. | 14:10 |
| lardman | ok | 14:10 |
| sciboy | The question is which browser should I execute through python? | 14:12 |
| sciboy | Does any of them have a command line option for disabling option or defaulting to fullscreen? | 14:12 |
| sciboy | options aka. toolbars* | 14:13 |
| lardman | I think opera works better, but the gecko-based one is supposed to have better support, and is being actively updated | 14:13 |
| pupnik_ | sciboy, next to gtk/hildon and python, there's also SDL and flash | 14:13 |
| lardman | s/support/support for web standards | 14:13 |
| sciboy | pupnik_, Both of which would be tons more difficult for me to work with. | 14:13 |
| sciboy | pupnik_, I'm thinking python and web browser right now. | 14:13 |
| sciboy | If the performance works out with a few animated objects on screen. | 14:14 |
| Jaffa | Joy, I seem to have fallen into receiving the opening salvos in a flamewar with Texrat on ITT. That was unplanned. | 14:14 |
| sciboy | Congratulations. | 14:14 |
| sciboy | Flamebait | 14:14 |
| pupnik_ | often the 'best tools for the job' are the tools you are familiar with | 14:14 |
| * Jaffa thinks he can blame milhouse, though ;-) | 14:15 | |
| * lardman is feeling a bit cold, goes looking for the flames :) | 14:16 | |
| sciboy | pupnik_, I'm not touching flash authoring ever again. | 14:16 |
| sciboy | pupnik_, If the web browser doesn't work out I'll start playing with Pygame though. | 14:16 |
| sciboy | Had a look at Fenix? | 14:16 |
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| pupnik_ | no | 14:17 |
| jdjdjdjdjd | hi | 14:17 |
| sciboy | pupnik_, http://fenix.divsite.net/index.php?opcion=1&lang=en | 14:17 |
| jdjdjdjdjd | I'm trying to compile HAL for N770 using scratchbox | 14:17 |
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| sciboy | pupnik_, I heard it mentioned quite a bit while I was still following the GP2X | 14:20 |
| pupnik_ | whatever is easiest | 14:20 |
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| pupnik_ | rapid prototyping, sketching out your ideas | 14:21 |
| lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: having any luck? | 14:21 |
| pupnik_ | then if you run into roadblocks, you can redo it in a lower level framework | 14:21 |
| sciboy | I probably wont, lower level frameworks aren't my idea of fun. | 14:22 |
| sciboy | If it doesn't work, I'll simplify the concept and its demands even further till it does. | 14:23 |
| sciboy | http://www.ekxd.com/productshtml/UMPC001.htm <- That reminds me of something, can't place what though. | 14:25 |
| jdjdjdjdjd | lardman, havent manage to do it | 14:30 |
| jdjdjdjdjd | lardman, any help? | 14:30 |
| lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: what's the problem? | 14:31 |
| jdjdjdjdjd | lardman I'm unable to compile the package | 14:31 |
| jdjdjdjdjd | is it supported for N770? | 14:32 |
| flip^ | is it at all possible to develop on the device itself? | 14:32 |
| lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: no idea, I do remember seeing something about Nokia thinking of using it in the future though | 14:34 |
| lardman | flip^: no gcc afaik | 14:35 |
| flip^ | i've got a gcc in my app manager, but its not installable :( | 14:36 |
| jdjdjdjdjd | lardman ok then I have to wait or do it any other way | 14:37 |
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| lardman | flip^: no idea about that, probably a pseudo package so scratchbox thinks it's got gcc | 14:39 |
| lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: what do you want it for? | 14:39 |
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| sciboy | flip^, One of the many reasons I'll be sticking to Python for development on the N800. | 14:41 |
| jdjdjdjdjd | lardman detecting insertion of mmc card... is there any code available out there? | 14:44 |
| lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: I don't know I'm afraid, perhaps ask on the maemo-developers' list | 14:45 |
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| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10565&page=2 interesting | 14:47 |
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| disq | I'm going to release a test version of kagu 1.0.9 today. Need some more testing before I announce/upload it | 14:49 |
| univac | its wrote in c? | 14:52 |
| sciboy | Can someone hit the "start animation" on this and see how well it works? | 14:54 |
| sciboy | http://www.esqsoft.com/javascript/parallax-scrolling-example.htm | 14:54 |
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| sciboy | Actually, Let's see how hard the N800 chokes on this: http://www.dhteumeuleu.com/dhtml/nav-3D.html | 15:08 |
| disq | so who wants to test the new kagu | 15:13 |
| unique311 | me | 15:13 |
| disq | get it from here then: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=304 :) | 15:14 |
| disq | i didn't upload it to the repositories just yet | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | sciboy: A bit slow, but works.. | 15:14 |
| unique311 | kool | 15:14 |
| unique311 | sciboy: nice link | 15:14 |
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| disq | unique311: please don't open a thread in ITT this time. i'll do it after the repository upload :p | 15:15 |
| unique311 | np | 15:15 |
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| disq | just need to get it tested a little more first, trev's been busy and i'm the only active developer now | 15:16 |
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| unique311 | different skin | 15:19 |
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| sciboy | t'd probably be much faster with actual size | 15:20 |
| sciboy | It'd* | 15:20 |
| sciboy | actual size images* | 15:20 |
| unique311 | could definitely do without the scroll thingie | 15:20 |
| unique311 | disq: ^ | 15:21 |
| disq | you'll get used to it :) it's a little too big and doesn't look perfect but our theme artist is not around either | 15:21 |
| disq | i hated it the first time around | 15:22 |
| unique311 | but having the finger scroll cancels that out. | 15:22 |
| disq | not necessarily | 15:22 |
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| disq | it also shows the length of the list and where you are | 15:22 |
| disq | (i don't really use it for scrolling either) | 15:23 |
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| unique311 | i can see it working, but it needs to loose a couple of pounds.. | 15:23 |
| disq | i know | 15:24 |
| disq | i'm fine with it being two or four pixels wide, even :) don't need finger scrolling there | 15:24 |
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| disq | but i didn't want to delay the release any longer (we're already two weeks late) for that, didn't want to disable it either | 15:25 |
| unique311 | new skin is awesome. any chance in choice next release? | 15:26 |
| disq | people will miss the green theme. we want to make it selectable by the next release | 15:26 |
| sciboy | What is kagu? | 15:27 |
| _Monkey | well, kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu or #kagu | 15:27 |
| disq | unique311: be sure to read the changelog btw :) https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=958 | 15:28 |
| sciboy | That's cool, although I'll be maintaining a remote copy of my music collection and only making my favourites local. | 15:30 |
| disq | i use it on the road | 15:30 |
| sciboy | I have to wait until I establish my favourite songs. =P | 15:31 |
| unique311 | everything i just tried work.. | 15:31 |
| unique311 | from the changelog.. | 15:32 |
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| unique311 | but i am on a fresh install. | 15:32 |
| disq | i'll release it and see what happens | 15:32 |
| unique311 | updated to the new firmware this morning. | 15:33 |
| disq | kinda bored with all the delays | 15:33 |
| Mikho | How can I take screenshots of my maemo application? | 15:33 |
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| unique311 | mkshottool | 15:33 |
| unique311 | mh | 15:33 |
| unique311 | mh or mk | 15:33 |
| Mikho | ok, thanks | 15:34 |
| unique311 | so besides that overweight scroll bar. love it. | 15:35 |
| unique311 | disq: would it be too much to ask, choice on that first page to turn scroll bar on or off. | 15:36 |
| disq | mmmm.. i'll work on it | 15:36 |
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| keesj | hmm I have been missing a lot! | 15:38 |
| keesj | Hi all | 15:38 |
| disq | hi! | 15:38 |
| keesj | rumors about a third tablet are really getting big | 15:39 |
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| * czr sighs from relief | 15:40 | |
| czr | a break. finally :-) | 15:40 |
| keesj | and the kagu green look is pretty nice | 15:40 |
| keesj | I really need to start using the n800 for video and music | 15:40 |
| czr | keesj, kagu green? | 15:40 |
| keesj | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu/ | 15:42 |
| czr | ah. thanks. | 15:42 |
| keesj | last time I looked at it is was black | 15:42 |
| keesj | it looks very prof | 15:43 |
| disq | heh. you should see the new kagu :P | 15:43 |
| unique311 | very nice. | 15:43 |
| unique311 | looks really good | 15:43 |
| czr | disq, any more recent mugshots of it? | 15:44 |
| disq | there's a test deb at garage | 15:44 |
| czr | and that deb contains screenshots? ;-) | 15:44 |
| disq | no :) | 15:44 |
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| timeless | it's only down .59% in premarket trading :) | 15:55 |
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| disq | somehow iphone.facebook.com works better in minimo than in microb | 15:59 |
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| timeless | what useragents? | 16:01 |
| disq | meaning? | 16:01 |
| timeless | javascript:navigator.userAgent | 16:01 |
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| disq | hang on | 16:02 |
| disq | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; rv:1.8.1.5pre) Gecko/20070705 Minimo/0.020 | 16:03 |
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| Tak|work | aww, my highlight scrooled offscreen | 16:05 |
| disq | that sucks | 16:06 |
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| disq | unique311: there's 1.0.9-2 now at the same place, with a scrollbar toggle option | 16:15 |
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| lardman | How does xv work on the N800, does it provide an interface to the abilities of the Epson chip? | 16:45 |
| disq | ok, kagu 1.0.9 now officially released. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu to download, still didn't update the screenshots though :) | 16:45 |
| disq | save playlist as functionality, default media player selection, minor enhancements, all around better performer, new theme | 16:47 |
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| lardman | anyone have a link to the Epson chip used in the n800? | 16:50 |
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| chris-work | hello has someone manages to run gpprof or oprofile on the n800 ? | 17:21 |
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| jamey | chris-work, I was able to run oprofile this summer. It does require a new kernel to do so. | 17:22 |
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| chris-work | jamey: I sow you jtold before in this channel and i tried to use the kernel you put in the web but somehow it doesn´t work ... i wrote you a letter then ... because here it´s difficult to go into the irc.... what should i do with the initfs you put there ? | 17:28 |
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| jamey | chris-work, you need to also install the initfs | 17:31 |
| jamey | otherwise the wifi driver does not load and the watchdog timer resets the device | 17:32 |
| jamey | I seem to have given away my N800 again. Will have to fund another one in order to test. | 17:32 |
| lmoura | is it possible to emulate tap and hold in the sdk? | 17:33 |
| Tak|work | isn't it right-click? | 17:33 |
| chris-work | have i install kernel and initfs at the same time ? | 17:34 |
| lmoura | Tak|work, I trying that, but without success | 17:34 |
| Tak|work | hmm :-/ | 17:34 |
| chris-work | i installed first the kernel and then the initfs and then nothing was going on ... | 17:35 |
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| lmoura | Tak|work, working now. I was trying to set it on a label. Switched to button and worked. | 17:38 |
| Tak|work | ah, cool | 17:39 |
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| Tak|work | fucking metalayer-crawler | 17:48 |
| disq | disable it once and for all :) | 17:49 |
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| Tak|work | doesn't that have adverse effects? | 17:50 |
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| disq | the default media player gets dumber, that's all :) | 17:51 |
| Tak|work | ah | 17:52 |
| Tak|work | I never use it anyway | 17:52 |
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| disq | what i did was chmod a-x /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 | 17:54 |
| Tak|work | effective | 17:55 |
| disq | i also disabled canola's autoscan on mmc-change thingy from gconf | 17:55 |
| Tak|work | heh, I've uninstalled canola | 17:55 |
| k-s[WORK] | Tak|work: :-( | 17:56 |
| k-s[WORK] | eheheh | 17:56 |
| Tak|work | k-s[WORK]: sorry man | 17:56 |
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| pupnik_ | Tak|work: it was from me - found something that reduced (not eliminated) stuttering on FCEU / 770 | 18:24 |
| Tak|work | oh? | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | yes one thing about it on the 770 - the fps counter is not fps of screen updates, but fps of internal engine afaict | 18:25 |
| pupnik_ | when increasing frameskip, fps goes up - most i saw was about 45 | 18:25 |
| pupnik_ | second, looking in drivers/pc/main.c i saw it initializes fceu with 48000 hz sound | 18:26 |
| pupnik_ | long soundrate=48000; and soundbufsize= very small. Changing soundbufsize to around 512 really cut down on percieved skippyness when frameskip =2-3 | 18:27 |
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| pupnik_ | |R: said he hears no sound stuttering with fceu on N800, but other people do | 18:30 |
| Tak|work | there shouldn't be any stuttering on N800 with bora3 or bora4 | 18:30 |
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| pupnik_ | nice | 18:32 |
| pupnik_ | i did not know this :) | 18:32 |
| sciboy | Bora? | 18:32 |
| _Monkey | somebody said Bora was pointing to 3.2 which is not working yet | 18:32 |
| sciboy | K | 18:33 |
| Tak|work | pupnik_: hmm, the rate and buffer sizes should be being set in the sound driver | 18:33 |
| * Tak|work goes to check | 18:33 | |
| pupnik_ | near top of main.c, around line 55 | 18:33 |
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| pupnik_ | the sound code is too baffling for me :(. fceu->underrun_handler->sexyAL->sdl->esd | 18:38 |
| pupnik_ | on 770 we constantly generate underrun condition | 18:38 |
| pupnik_ | i also tried very simple update loop, without screen update or input update, just doing sound = gives same results | 18:39 |
| Tak|work | if you set the frameskip very high on 770, you get smooth sound | 18:40 |
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| Tak|work | or if you screw up the graphics code so that it's not drawing to the screen ;-) | 18:40 |
| lopz | hi | 18:41 |
| pupnik_ | ok. well, at least this makes sense to me, since fceu internally tries to update at 50/60 hz and i hadn't found settings to get it up to 50/60 | 18:41 |
| pupnik_ | interesting, i removed screen updates entirely and still got stuttering | 18:41 |
| pupnik_ | well it's good to know you have smooth playback on n800 | 18:42 |
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| pupnik_ | do you see the soundrate= in main.c? | 18:43 |
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| Tak|work | you should get smooth playback on 770 without screen updates | 18:44 |
| Tak|work | yes, I see it - I also note that it's settable via command line arguments | 18:44 |
| * Tak|work add arguments to xmaeme and try | 18:45 | |
| pupnik_ | ok will try identical FCEUD_Update but comment-out BlutScreen(XBuf); | 18:47 |
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| disq | http://tuxrecife.blogspot.com/2007/10/xomap-3x-more-fast.html interesting | 18:50 |
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| Tak|work | disq: damn, that's nice | 18:52 |
| pupnik_ | viva brasil! | 18:54 |
| disq | there's a mailing list link in the post. and danielstone replied to that. so it's possible we'll see this patch in a near maemo release | 18:55 |
| Tak|work | killer | 18:55 |
| lardman | cool | 18:56 |
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| Tak|work | my verdict is that setting those flags doesn't noticeably improve audio quality, but *does* noticeably degrade gameplay quality | 19:02 |
| pupnik_ | i don't even think the existing code gives clean contiguous samples under any circumstances | 19:02 |
| pupnik_ | frameskip=59, disabled gfx gives full speed sound, but there is a jitter at about 40-60hz which sounds like breaks in sample data | 19:03 |
| pupnik_ | it manifests as a subtle buzz | 19:04 |
| pupnik_ | or not so subtle if you're a sound guy | 19:05 |
| pupnik_ | do you hear it too Tak|work ? | 19:05 |
| Tak|work | it's not perfect, but the emulator is slightly pitch-shifted anyway, due to the way it emulates NES audio | 19:06 |
| Tak|work | part of it is also that I'm degrading the rate to 8192Hz | 19:06 |
| _Monkey | okay, Tak|work. | 19:06 |
| pupnik_ | what solved the problem for the N800 / bora2? | 19:07 |
| Tak|work | pupnik_: pixel doubling | 19:07 |
| _Monkey | somebody said pixel doubling was fun | 19:07 |
| Tak|work | _Monkey: have you ever been stabbed in the face via IRC? | 19:07 |
| _Monkey | tak|work: i haven't a clue | 19:07 |
| pupnik_ | aight :) | 19:07 |
| pupnik_ | case closed. filed under 'reasons to upgrade' | 19:08 |
| lardman | _Monkey: forget pixel doubling | 19:08 |
| _Monkey | lardman: I forgot pixel doubling | 19:08 |
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| chris-work | jamey: do you remember if you have installed kernel and initfs at the same time ? | 19:10 |
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| Mat_Jack1 | hi all | 19:11 |
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| |user| | heloo??? | 19:11 |
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| Mat_Jack1 | i would like to ask how i can do a cron on a n800? | 19:11 |
| Mat_Jack1 | there is no cron and with alarmd i'm not able to understand... | 19:12 |
| penguinait | cron is not on the n800, which makes cron jobs pretty difficuly | 19:12 |
| penguinait | t | 19:12 |
| Mat_Jack1 | :( | 19:12 |
| Mat_Jack1 | eh i'm seeing! | 19:12 |
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| Mat_Jack1 | what is the easiest way to substitute cron? | 19:13 |
| penguinait | never really looked into compiling it, but it can'tbe hard | 19:13 |
| Mat_Jack1 | i haven't found anything useful on internet about it | 19:14 |
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| penguinait | hey I have a runaway process on my n800 and I am trying to determine what started it, any idead | 19:14 |
| penguinait | ideas how to figure it out | 19:14 |
| penguinait | keeps happening, its pissing me off | 19:15 |
| zoran | lsof could help | 19:15 |
| disq | <i'd like to make a joke about richard kimble from "the fugitive" here> | 19:15 |
| Tak|work | doesn't ps tell you? | 19:15 |
| Tak|work | disq: It was the one-threaded process! | 19:16 |
| disq | ps fax is good for listing child processes as ascii trees | 19:16 |
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| penguinait | ps | 19:17 |
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| zoran | penguinait killed his own process :) | 19:18 |
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| Mat_Jack1 | any idea on how to do like with cron? | 19:19 |
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| zoran | some perl script using time as value? | 19:20 |
| Tak|work | I'd try building anacron | 19:21 |
| zoran | Schedule::Cron | 19:22 |
| Mat_Jack1 | zoran, i have to install any dependance? | 19:23 |
| zoran | lemme c | 19:23 |
| Mat_Jack1 | Tak|work, how i can build anacron? | 19:23 |
| zoran | it is a module | 19:24 |
| zoran | not as I see, but must to downlaod first | 19:24 |
| Mat_Jack1 | zoran, have you used it? | 19:24 |
| zoran | never :) | 19:24 |
| Mat_Jack1 | it doesn't recall cron? | 19:24 |
| Mat_Jack1 | the name let me think that.. | 19:24 |
| Mat_Jack1 | :) | 19:25 |
| zoran | I just found the module | 19:25 |
| zoran | on perl always works as it was advertised | 19:25 |
| Mat_Jack1 | and cross compiling something for the n800? it's hard? | 19:26 |
| Mat_Jack1 | http://fcron.free.fr/ | 19:26 |
| Mat_Jack1 | this seems ok | 19:26 |
| Tak|work | setting up the development environment is a touch involved | 19:26 |
| penguinbait | not really, once you setup your scratchbox | 19:26 |
| zoran | what would you cross compile? | 19:27 |
| TPC | cron would indeed be nice on the N800 | 19:27 |
| Mat_Jack1 | http://fcron.free.fr/ | 19:27 |
| Mat_Jack1 | this | 19:27 |
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| Mat_Jack1 | it's described as good also for environment not always on | 19:28 |
| Mat_Jack1 | the compiling environment is scratchbox? | 19:28 |
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| zoran | c requirements! | 19:29 |
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| Mat_Jack1 | zoran, what? | 19:29 |
| zoran | running mail system | 19:29 |
| Mat_Jack1 | you can do also without it | 19:30 |
| Tak | |R: ping? | 19:32 |
| _Monkey | ping is in 4.2007 on n800 :) | 19:32 |
| * Tak ignore _Monkey | 19:32 | |
| Mat_Jack1 | http://www.anomaly-music.com/cron/ | 19:32 |
| Mat_Jack1 | found it! | 19:32 |
| Tak | pupnik_: would you like to test fceu current before I release? | 19:33 |
| Tak | also xmaeme? | 19:33 |
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| zoran | Mat_Jack1, looks promissing | 19:35 |
| Mat_Jack1 | :) | 19:35 |
| Mat_Jack1 | i'll try! | 19:35 |
| zoran | what device? | 19:35 |
| Mat_Jack1 | n800 | 19:35 |
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| zoran | Mat_Jack1, what would you use scheduler for? | 19:38 |
| Mat_Jack1 | to launch bashpodder | 19:38 |
| Mat_Jack1 | it's a shell script that gets a podcast | 19:39 |
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| lardman | kulve: I was wrong, it is fully threaded | 19:39 |
| pupnik_ | Tak sure | 19:39 |
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| kulve | lardman: ok | 19:40 |
| Tak | what's the best distribution method? email? | 19:40 |
| pupnik_ | sure, also if your router has dcc port open you can dcc to me | 19:40 |
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| zoran | found the Cron.om; requires Time::ParseDate, Data::Dumper | 19:46 |
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| shapr | Has anyone been able to send music from an N800 or N770 to a stereo bluetooth headset? | 19:50 |
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| Tak | shapr: tried kagu? | 19:55 |
| disq | _Monkey: kagu? | 19:55 |
| _Monkey | kagu is, like, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu or #kagu | 19:55 |
| shapr | Kagu can play music via bluetooth? | 19:55 |
| shapr | yay, A2DP! | 19:56 |
| shapr | much happiness! | 19:56 |
| shapr | Now I'll be able to listen to music while unicycling without cables! | 19:56 |
| disq | unicycling? cool | 19:57 |
| disq | see the a2dp instructions at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435&highlight=a2dp | 19:57 |
| Tak | heh, cables + unicycling sounds like trouble | 19:57 |
| shapr | truly | 19:57 |
| shapr | mountain unicycling with music - http://picasaweb.google.com/shae.erisson/OakMountain20070127/photo#5025111427466324306 | 19:58 |
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| shapr | Does A2DP work with OS2007 Hacker's Edition on the N770? | 20:04 |
| disq | you'll have to test that, but afaik with bare 770 a2dp is painfully slow | 20:05 |
| shapr | I may have to upgrade. | 20:06 |
| shapr | I don't care about lag time, but I do hope it's fast enough to replace my ipod shuffle (which sucks for a variety of reasons). | 20:08 |
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| EX-YUGOSLAVIA | CAO | 21:45 |
| EX-YUGOSLAVIA | HELLO | 21:45 |
| EX-YUGOSLAVIA | MONTENEGRO | 21:45 |
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| shapr | um | 21:47 |
| Fatal | o_O | 21:49 |
| bueroman | EX-YUGOSLAVIA, roger | 21:50 |
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| sp3000 | KARJALA | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | er | 21:51 |
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| czr | at least karjala is beer as well. I don't think anyone brews anything called "former yugoslavia". not yet at least. | 22:07 |
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| sp3000 | heh | 22:12 |
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| czr | although there also was beer called 'karhu' in shanghai. also beer called 'golden eagle' (with chinese characters this time). and personal favourite, beer called 'reeb' (yes). | 22:18 |
| czr | I wonder if the same could be succesfull in finland. a beer called Tulo. | 22:18 |
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| lardman | kulve: you about at this hour? | 22:36 |
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| lardman | anyone know off hand if the kernel source for the n800 has been updated with the SD card patch? | 22:38 |
| suihkulokki | lardman: yes it has been | 22:39 |
| shapr | The most recent release of OS2007 says "Includes patch to fix SD card corruption" | 22:39 |
| shapr | btw, what's the max size SD card supported nowadays? | 22:39 |
| lardman | shapr: I need to rebuild the kernel so I'm checking the source has been updated | 22:40 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: thanks | 22:40 |
| kulve | lardman: there's the source too | 22:40 |
| lardman | kulve: hi, I was wondering if you'd built a new kernel with dsp debugging built in? | 22:40 |
| kulve | it was mentioned on the mailing list that the "extra" mmc patches has has been applied to that too | 22:40 |
| kulve | lardman: it's pretty trivial to do. I can do it tomorrow | 22:41 |
| shapr | Is it possible to have two 32GB SDHC cards in the N800? | 22:41 |
| lardman | kulve: I've done it for the Zaurus, just checking to not waste time doing it | 22:42 |
| kulve | lardman: I'm not going to do it for myself now, so go ahead :) | 22:42 |
| kulve | I can do it for you though, if you want :) | 22:42 |
| lardman | kulve: I'll give it a go and see if I can remember, can you remember where the dsp debugging entry was? | 22:42 |
| shapr | Wikipedia says only up to 8GB in each slot. | 22:43 |
| kulve | search "MBOX" from the .config and guess the menu location from there | 22:43 |
| kulve | but I'm off | 22:43 |
| lardman | kulve: cheers, have a nice evening | 22:43 |
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| suihkulokki | shapr: I think it will eat whatever is the max of SDHC spec. the "8GB support" means only means nothing bigger has been tested | 22:44 |
| shapr | ah | 22:45 |
| `0660 | yeah | 22:45 |
| `0660 | just like 4gb of normal sd works just fine | 22:46 |
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| `0660 | at least with the cheap transcend | 22:46 |
| shapr | Newegg only lists one 16gb SDHC card, going for $160. | 22:48 |
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| shapr | Hm, two 8GB cards for $120 or one 16GB card for $160? | 22:52 |
| pupnik | since when do 16GB cards work in N800 | 22:59 |
| shapr | suihkulokki just said that any SDHC card should work. | 22:59 |
| shapr | The SDHC spec goes up to 32GB. | 22:59 |
| pupnik | i don't know about this, just asking | 22:59 |
| pupnik | confirm before buying | 23:00 |
| shapr | truly | 23:00 |
| suihkulokki | pupnik: it's not exactly what I said, see my comment above | 23:00 |
| * shapr rereads | 23:01 | |
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| * lardman notices OMAP hardware random number generator entry in .config | 23:09 | |
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| svu_ | is there programmer's editor (other than vi) for maemo? | 23:21 |
| disq | mcedit is good | 23:22 |
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| Tak | also zile | 23:27 |
| svu_ | mc ... :///// | 23:27 |
| timeless | hello world | 23:28 |
| svu_ | anything based on gtksourceview? | 23:28 |
| keesj | svu_ there is a nice editor written in python that supports running the current program. | 23:28 |
| timeless | fwiw i'm attacking bugs.maemo.org | 23:28 |
| timeless | i may or may not write an announcement on the browser project blog explaining why abusing bugs.maemo.org will not be tolerated | 23:29 |
| svu_ | keesj: the name? | 23:29 |
| keesj | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/pygtkeditor | 23:29 |
| svu_ | thanks | 23:29 |
| * dpryo recommends an editor on your computer, and sftp for i/o | 23:29 | |
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| dpryo | local edits are hell, unless you've got an external keyboard.. (which is still hell, because the return-button doesn't work) | 23:30 |
| dpryo | any fix for that btw? | 23:30 |
| dpryo | (on 770) | 23:30 |
| svu_ | keesj: looks really nice. It is a pity it does not support ruby... | 23:31 |
| keesj | did anybody look at Raemo? http://raemo.garage.maemo.org/ it sounds nice | 23:31 |
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| Tak | looks nice | 23:35 |
| lardman | kulve: hmm, compiled the kernel, and now get messages from mbox: in dmesg, but no dbg() messages | 23:37 |
| lardman | kulve: I manually enabled one entry in .config - CONFIG_OMAP_DSP_MBCMD_VERBOSE=y | 23:37 |
| lardman | kulve: let me know if you have any ideas what I did wrong | 23:38 |
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| Tak | wtf - somehow xmame is 9th most active on garage this week | 23:55 |
| * Tak scratches head and doesn't argue | 23:55 | |
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