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| jamey | does anyone here know if N800 works with USB in host mode? And if so, what it takes to do so? | 00:22 |
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| MoridinBG | <MoridinBG> Guys, has anyobe had any luck with USB Host mode on the N800? After two days I am nearing the point of desparation. | 00:22 |
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| MoridinBG | around half an hour ago :) | 00:22 |
| jamey | :) | 00:23 |
| jamey | no answer? | 00:23 |
| jamey | :( | 00:23 |
| suihkulokki | jamey: search for tony lindgren's mails in the maemo-devel archive | 00:23 |
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| jamey | thanks | 00:23 |
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| Tb0n3 | why does moving my stylus on my 770 screen cause distortion on the screen | 00:48 |
| Tb0n3 | as in, a wave of white | 00:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Because the LCD layer isn't 100% rigid. | 00:51 |
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| Tb0n3 | can it be damaged by pressing too hard? | 00:53 |
| xand | you shouldnt need to press, just touch | 00:54 |
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| jamey | MoridinBG, did you try Tony Lindgren's patches? | 00:57 |
| jamey | http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ | 00:57 |
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| MoridinBG | yes | 00:58 |
| MoridinBG | patched with all of them | 00:58 |
| MoridinBG | compiled (kernel configured as needed), flashed with no problems | 00:58 |
| MoridinBG | but then the USB is completely silent | 00:58 |
| MoridinBG | I put it in host mode (echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode) | 00:59 |
| MoridinBG | if i do it again it is doesn't say anything in dmsg | 00:59 |
| MoridinBG | the usb cable is mini-a type(modded) | 00:59 |
| MoridinBG | I measured D+ and D-, where should be 3V, but there arent | 00:59 |
| MoridinBG | neither %v between GND and Vid | 01:00 |
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| MoridinBG | a friend of mine said it could be the female-to-female usb adaptor I am using to connect standard USB devices | 01:00 |
| MoridinBG | (WTF, USB network recovery in lates initfs_flasher? | 01:01 |
| Tb0n3 | mplayer stopped working | 01:02 |
| Tb0n3 | :( | 01:02 |
| pupnik | every once in a while i still get shocked by how cool the 770 is | 01:02 |
| pupnik | i like how slim it is too - makes it more unreal | 01:02 |
| pupnik | Hole up & camp! | 01:03 |
| pupnik | Resting... | 01:03 |
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| Tb0n3 | something I never really learned is drivers in linux | 01:25 |
| Tb0n3 | how are devices recognized and how would you go about installing drivers for such things | 01:25 |
| zerojay | You compile the kernel module.. either built-in or as a module. | 01:26 |
| zerojay | The kernel itself will figure out the rest. | 01:26 |
| Tb0n3 | well, like a usb joystick, how would I go about installing that | 01:26 |
| zerojay | If it's a module, it will load the module into the running kernel when it's first called. | 01:26 |
| zerojay | Compile it into the kernel. | 01:27 |
| zerojay | When you plug in your USB joystick after that, it will be recognized. | 01:27 |
| Tb0n3 | well, I'm just not sure how to do that, any place to see that? | 01:27 |
| zerojay | You don't know much about Linux, right? | 01:28 |
| Tb0n3 | I know enough to use it | 01:28 |
| zerojay | Meaning you're comfortable on the command line? | 01:28 |
| Tb0n3 | I've taught myself debian and how to start/stop daemons change conf files and /etc/, etc | 01:28 |
| Tb0n3 | yeah, cli | 01:28 |
| zerojay | ..oh boy. | 01:29 |
| zerojay | Kernel compilation's generally an advanced topic. | 01:29 |
| Tb0n3 | required reading? | 01:29 |
| zerojay | You could find plenty of tutorials for it out there. | 01:29 |
| zerojay | Yeah, definitely. | 01:29 |
| Tb0n3 | well, what I mean is where do I find the required reading, or what it it | 01:29 |
| zerojay | And after you are done, you'll have to flash the new kernel to your Nokia. | 01:29 |
| zerojay | If you don't do it right, you could maybe brick. | 01:30 |
| Tb0n3 | I actually have 770's 2007he | 01:30 |
| Tb0n3 | >_> | 01:30 |
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| zerojay | I've been compiling kernels for seven years or so... however, I don't know what the 770's required options/modules would be.. so... | 01:31 |
| Tb0n3 | for some reason, somebody from idaho keeps calling here | 01:31 |
| zerojay | Unless you find someone that knows, I wouldn't try. | 01:31 |
| lardman | zerojay: shouldn't that be in the source deb? | 01:31 |
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| zerojay | I don't know. I haven't looked. I'm not sure if there's a default .config file included or not. | 01:32 |
| zerojay | Or if there is one, if it has the required options or not. | 01:32 |
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| lardman | just a thought, I don't know either. People have compiled the kernels successfully though, so it may be in there (or they did lots of guessing!) | 01:33 |
| zerojay | "Fuck it, compile everything as a module!" | 01:33 |
| lardman | except schedulers...? | 01:34 |
| zerojay | Speaking of compiling kernels... | 01:34 |
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| zerojay | Well, the schedulers can be switched in and out last I checked. | 01:34 |
| lardman | ah, I thought they were not to be pluggable | 01:35 |
| zerojay | Oh, maybe not... I do remember an effort was underway to do that at some point. | 01:35 |
| * lardman was just browing slashdot and saw an article | 01:35 | |
| zerojay | I'm too lazy to wade through KernelTrap. | 01:35 |
| zerojay | Eh.. maybe not. | 01:36 |
| lardman | anyway, not really all that relevant | 01:36 |
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| zerojay | Wow, there are still people using XMMS? | 01:40 |
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| lardman | on the Zaurus? | 01:41 |
| zerojay | No. | 01:41 |
| zerojay | At *all*. | 01:41 |
| lardman | :) | 01:41 |
| lardman | it did actually work on the Zaurus, which was a major positive, despite the age | 01:42 |
| zerojay | I'd be far too worried about the unpatched security holes. | 01:43 |
| lardman | yeah, but back in those days a CF card was the only way to do wifi and sd cards had very little capacity (and were slow) | 01:43 |
| lardman | so no music when connected | 01:44 |
| lardman | hmm, I want to use a define to change something like this: dbg("%d", some_value) into this: printf("%d\n", some_value). How easy hard is that? | 01:47 |
| lardman | I suppose it could turn into two printf()'s, the second containing only the newline | 01:47 |
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| Quinlan^ | Im looking for a good linux distro to install scratchbox on, should I just go with Debian? | 01:57 |
| Quinlan^ | FC5 is being tricky,. | 01:58 |
| Mikho | ubuntu works for me | 01:58 |
| Quinlan^ | what version? Latest? | 01:59 |
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| Mikho | I think latest is 'feisty fawn' | 01:59 |
| Mikho | version 7.04 if I remember correctly | 01:59 |
| Quinlan^ | To uTorrent! | 02:00 |
| lardman | night all | 02:02 |
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| |R | uhm, anyone played with rtcomm / asterisk? I'm able to make calls but it doesn't ring when i'm called... (while the other phones including a soft phones on a laptop all ring...) | 02:11 |
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| Tb0n3 | any place other than torrents to get ebooks? | 02:59 |
| Tb0n3 | :( | 02:59 |
| Tb0n3 | linux ebook would be the win for the thin | 02:59 |
| Tb0n3 | 770 | 02:59 |
| Tb0n3 | .. | 02:59 |
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| edt | ebooks see www.baen.com - they have a free library and also sell DRM free ebooks. ebookreader handles the palm format well. | 03:02 |
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| esworp | quick question... does the n800 support any kind of screen rotation? | 03:06 |
| * esworp is a lefty. | 03:06 | |
| zerojay | No. | 03:07 |
| esworp | <shrug> I can live with that. | 03:07 |
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| esworp | mind a few more newb-oid questions about the device? | 03:07 |
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| zerojay | That's what we're here for. | 03:08 |
| esworp | cool... I always ask before I make a pain of myself. (0_o) | 03:08 |
| esworp | how theme-able is the build of debian used? | 03:08 |
| zerojay | You realize that it's not just straight plain Debian running, right? | 03:09 |
| esworp | nope, i didn't | 03:09 |
| esworp | nor do I know much about debian in general. :] | 03:09 |
| zerojay | It's basically a customized environment on top of a Debian core. | 03:10 |
| zerojay | You can make themes for it. | 03:10 |
| esworp | alright. I've been thinking about trying my hand at that... I always liked the graph-paper re-do of the older mac os. | 03:11 |
| esworp | might be a fun one. ... might mangle the device. | 03:11 |
| esworp | speaking of mangling.. how possible is it to effectively "brick" the n800? (ala those poor iphone users) | 03:12 |
| zerojay | Generally, low. | 03:12 |
| zerojay | The worst you might have to do is reflash. | 03:12 |
| esworp | is a reflash much of a PITA on a macosx host machine? | 03:13 |
| zerojay | Couldn't tell you, but from what I've heard, no. | 03:13 |
| esworp | one of the pet project I'd like to look into for it is to work as a MIDI controller for some fiddling around I do with keyboards... | 03:18 |
| Jiten | is it possible to brick the device badly enough that reflashing is no longer possible? I'd like to know what are the safe limits :) | 03:20 |
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| gopi | I've only ever reflashed on OS X. | 03:54 |
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| |R | esworp : i feel your pain (lefty too ;) | 04:02 |
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| esworp | heh | 04:07 |
| esworp | thanks IR | 04:07 |
| |R | :) | 04:07 |
| |R | thinking about getting an n800? | 04:07 |
| esworp | I'm SO hating my lifedrive... tomorrow I get to smash the thing, as my n800 should be here in the mail. | 04:07 |
| |R | oh, so already got (almost ;) | 04:07 |
| esworp | yeah. | 04:08 |
| esworp | I'm just sick of getting burned by the Palm device.. I really hate it. | 04:08 |
| esworp | and i don't need a smartphone, and the ipod touch doesn't have a calendar app. | 04:08 |
| |R | burned? what do you mean? :) | 04:09 |
| esworp | the os is so damn flaky | 04:09 |
| |R | ah ok | 04:09 |
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| |R | haven't really tried out a Palm since the old Palm III :P | 04:09 |
| esworp | seems like I get it all dialed in, and then the hd will nuke itsself. | 04:10 |
| esworp | i liked my p3 | 04:10 |
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| esworp | seems like the 'zen' of the devices have faltered.. seems like so much of it was a band-aid | 04:10 |
| |R | i don't know how the OS evolved... but from what i can remember from the P III it was like running Mac OS 6.0 | 04:11 |
| esworp | yeah, but it worked fine back then.. something snappy to get an appointment in or whatever | 04:11 |
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| esworp | but the os never really evolved like it should have | 04:11 |
| |R | the only horrible thing was loosing everything if you lost your batteries :P | 04:11 |
| esworp | well, that is fixed nowadays. | 04:11 |
| |R | ok :) | 04:11 |
| esworp | the only time you loose your data is when the OS decides to hate you. | 04:12 |
| esworp | which happened (no lie) to me twenty minutes ago. | 04:12 |
| esworp | again. | 04:12 |
| * esworp hates his palm. | 04:12 | |
| |R | :( | 04:12 |
| esworp | for a while, folks were working on a linux os replacement, but it stalled. | 04:13 |
| |R | how about OpenMoko ? is it ported ? | 04:13 |
| esworp | i think the OS they were working on was Opie | 04:13 |
| esworp | but it wa too much for the system, it seemed.. and no realy power management support/wifi/lots of other stuff | 04:14 |
| |R | I only just got my n800 last week ... after realising i could have a pocket pseudo-debian :] | 04:14 |
| |R | So what are you looking for in the n800? | 04:14 |
| esworp | my interest is in the angle of a turbo-pda. | 04:15 |
| |R | ok :) | 04:15 |
| esworp | i was able to rely solely on a lifedrive during college as opposed to a laptop.. so i think a n800 will give me plenty of room to stretch. | 04:15 |
| esworp | hopefully GPE PIM will get the job done.. | 04:15 |
| esworp | all I'd need besides that is something that can open/edit word docs. | 04:16 |
| esworp | and I'll be happy. | 04:16 |
| |R | uhm, open maybe, edit i don't know | 04:17 |
| esworp | yeah, well.. I can live with a convert n edit.. | 04:17 |
| |R | Are you getting a bluetooth keyboard? | 04:17 |
| esworp | fer sure. | 04:17 |
| |R | which one? | 04:17 |
| esworp | dunno yet. | 04:18 |
| esworp | I've been pretty good with HWR systems for a while now.. and just need to take simple notes during meetings/etc. | 04:18 |
| esworp | so I'm not going to shop for a keyboard untill I'm fed up with the HWR | 04:18 |
| |R | I got the stowaway ultra-slim, it's nice if you don't think you need a number row / F keys and can do with Fn for numbers :) | 04:19 |
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| |R | they also have a somewhat bigger version with those... | 04:19 |
| esworp | supposedly it 'learns'.. it this true? or are you stuck just trying to mimic what the HWR engine wnats? | 04:20 |
| esworp | i use that kind of keyboard with my pda presently... I would rather have something with nubmer keys. | 04:20 |
| |R | it can record new patterns, though i've only tried once earlier today and it wouldn't accept the normal way i write my "a" (in 2 strokes, i have to raise the pen, and it doesn't like that :P) | 04:20 |
| |R | and it seems to recognize letter quite well anyway... | 04:21 |
| |R | but only toyed with it 1 minute or so | 04:21 |
| esworp | right... betcha I'll be able to teach it Grafitti.. that'll learn ya! | 04:21 |
| |R | haha that would be good ;) | 04:21 |
| |R | i forgot my Graffiti, i should relearn it and do the same | 04:21 |
| esworp | wonder if someone would come and sue me like they did palm for it after the n800 learned it from me. | 04:21 |
| |R | haha | 04:21 |
| |R | i hope to get VoIP going now... i've been setting my asterisk to connect to it. It worked for outdial but i don't see anything when i get called, wondering why. . . | 04:22 |
| |R | Would be useful to get my call from home when i'm somewhere else :) | 04:22 |
| esworp | i dont htink I'll use the voip much. there isn't enough wifi saturation in my usual digs for that. | 04:22 |
| esworp | and I dont use a home phone. | 04:23 |
| |R | home phone being the old PSTN? | 04:23 |
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| esworp | PTSN? | 04:25 |
| * esworp is dumbtarded | 04:25 | |
| |R | hehe sorry | 04:25 |
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| |R | plain simple telephone network | 04:25 |
| esworp | oh. | 04:25 |
| esworp | not even that.. | 04:25 |
| |R | Pierre: all the Bell company bringing copper etc ;) | 04:25 |
| |R | err | 04:25 |
| esworp | I just use my celly. | 04:25 |
| |R | Pierre was ie: :P | 04:25 |
| |R | (damn irc client ;) | 04:25 |
| esworp | I get one from work, and dont really use my personal much. | 04:25 |
| |R | ok :) | 04:25 |
| esworp | but the video phone thingy looks pretty swank. | 04:26 |
| esworp | bummer it only works with google talk. | 04:26 |
| |R | I've transfered my home number to a VoIP provider so it's pretty cheap to keep a "line" at home over my network connection | 04:26 |
| |R | (7$ / month) | 04:26 |
| |R | or even less depending on how much i talk :) | 04:26 |
| esworp | that /is/ cheapo | 04:26 |
| |R | 2.5$/month + 1.1c / min | 04:26 |
| |R | it's quite cheap :) | 04:26 |
| |R | that's why i'd like to get VoIP going so i can use my VoIP provider to call from anywhere i can get wifi to land lines / cells for cheap :) | 04:27 |
| |R | well that and receive call which isn't working at the moment ;) | 04:27 |
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| esworp | I've got a /ton/ of video media I would like to walk around with on my n800 (not pron, honest!).. what's the most compatible codec/settings for n800 happiness? | 04:31 |
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| |R | uhm, not too sure, haven't played with that yet... but i guess something at 400x240 in divx would do... | 04:31 |
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| |R | you can get mplayer on it too | 04:32 |
| |R | so you have two different codec sets to try :) | 04:32 |
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| |R | is there a paint program for IT2007? | 04:49 |
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| Tb0n3 | I was gonna say gimp lol. how about sketch? | 05:01 |
| Tb0n3 | I'm thinkin about installing gentoo | 05:03 |
| Tb0n3 | is that a mistake? | 05:03 |
| Tb0n3 | mplayer canola and media player aren't playing my xvid files | 05:04 |
| Tb0n3 | T_T | 05:04 |
| |R | i wouldn't do that unless you like long nights of compilations for no real gain... | 05:04 |
| |R | (and want to learn how a system works a bit more, but for that i'd recommend doing a linux from scratch project, much more educational ;) | 05:04 |
| * |R ducks and covers if any gentoo users read his comments :P | 05:05 | |
| Robot101 | you can pull apart any working system and learn a lot about how its put together, without compiling everything... I've never really bought that argument | 05:05 |
| Tb0n3 | it was recommended from me by the guy who introduced me to linux and compiled our server kernel | 05:05 |
| |R | hehe same here | 05:05 |
| Robot101 | I know how this stuff works and I've never done LFS stuff or gentoo | 05:06 |
| |R | Robot101: same her | 05:06 |
| |R | e | 05:06 |
| |R | But i've been on linux since before 1996... | 05:07 |
| Tb0n3 | I hear it's bleeding edge | 05:07 |
| |R | And other Unix before so whatever :) | 05:07 |
| |R | (but then i was pretty young and used my parent's accounts :P) | 05:07 |
| * |R trying to find sketch's package... | 05:08 | |
| * |R wonders why the SD cards are mounted no-exec :/ | 05:09 | |
| Robot101 | vfat can end up marking everything as executable | 05:09 |
| |R | that's a reason or a solution? :) | 05:10 |
| Robot101 | a reason | 05:10 |
| |R | how is that a problem? | 05:11 |
| Robot101 | most files on the vfat partition aren't actually executable, so running them is a bad plan | 05:11 |
| |R | uh ok, but you don't just go around trying to execute pictures? | 05:12 |
| Tb0n3 | so, I noticed somebody further up asked if you can totalbrick your 770 so it's not even flashable | 05:15 |
| Tb0n3 | so can you? | 05:15 |
| Tb0n3 | yay, gmail is working | 05:16 |
| |R | Probably not... | 05:16 |
| Tb0n3 | awsome | 05:17 |
| Tb0n3 | so I can fux up my 770 as much as I want and always get it back? | 05:17 |
| Robot101 | Tb0n3: if you lose power during flashing the bootloader, yes | 05:17 |
| Robot101 | but that's a very short period of time | 05:17 |
| Tb0n3 | :) | 05:17 |
| Tb0n3 | I'll totally fuck with it a lot | 05:18 |
| Tb0n3 | :) | 05:18 |
| Robot101 | unless you're trying to replace the bootloader or something, anything you do from the kernel up won't brick it | 05:18 |
| Robot101 | and even then, nokia service points or anyone with a jig can recover it even if the bootloader is mangled | 05:18 |
| |R | Robot101 : so the flash mode while clicking a key and booting isn't built-in somewhere? :( | 05:18 |
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| Robot101 | |R: built in where? it has no rom, just flash | 05:19 |
| Robot101 | --> flight | 05:19 |
| Tb0n3 | a jig? | 05:19 |
| |R | damn | 05:20 |
| Tb0n3 | kinda like the psp jig kick? | 05:20 |
| |R | i thought it would have a "bios" or something for the flash part | 05:20 |
| Tb0n3 | I'm thinking I'm going to back up my data on this laptop then go the way of gentoo | 05:22 |
| Tb0n3 | wish I knew of a backup utility | 05:22 |
| Tb0n3 | the sony psp is a great open device | 05:25 |
| Tb0n3 | lulz, dispite sony's best efforts | 05:25 |
| Tb0n3 | I would lose so much crap if my 500GB maxtor failed | 05:26 |
| Tb0n3 | external | 05:26 |
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| Tb0n3 | is there a way to install the n770 mplayer on the os2007he because the n800 one doesn't seem to work at all | 06:07 |
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| |R | uhm, it works here... | 06:18 |
| |R | xmame/fceu on the other away is acting very strangely :P | 06:19 |
| |R | mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.18.n800 here | 06:19 |
| Tb0n3 | hmm, for some reason it won't open the new window to play the video | 06:21 |
| Tb0n3 | I've uninstalled and reinstalled, but ah, forgot about apt-get remove mplayer --purge | 06:22 |
| Tb0n3 | or is --purge somewhere else | 06:22 |
| |R | dpkg --purge | 06:25 |
| Tb0n3 | it worked anyhow | 06:25 |
| |R | uhm, fceu is really strange, when i click on a button (A/B/select/start) it stretches the screen while i click.. | 06:26 |
| |R | really annoying | 06:26 |
| Tb0n3 | what's the dpkg reconfigure command? | 06:29 |
| Tb0n3 | I thought I remembered dpkg reconfigure -a | 06:29 |
| Tb0n3 | dpkg --configure -a | 06:34 |
| Tb0n3 | ... | 06:34 |
| |R | usually there is a dpkg-reconfigure | 06:36 |
| |R | but not on the n800 uhm.. | 06:36 |
| |R | nothing in --help ? | 06:36 |
| Tb0n3 | I said the one that it told me to do | 06:36 |
| Tb0n3 | lol | 06:37 |
| Tb0n3 | dpkg --configure -a | 06:37 |
| |R | hehe ok :) | 06:37 |
| Tb0n3 | and it appears that things installed in apt-get don't get icons | 06:37 |
| Tb0n3 | so I don't think they'll work | 06:37 |
| Tb0n3 | you can't start uis from cli | 06:38 |
| |R | urhm... | 06:38 |
| Tb0n3 | what, you can? | 06:39 |
| |R | well, when i apt-get something, sometimes it pauses and ... i figure after a while that it's asking on the screen where to put the icon | 06:39 |
| |R | so i don't think it's related (it shouldn't be...) | 06:39 |
| Tb0n3 | it's pawsing | 06:40 |
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| Tb0n3 | well, it wants me to reinstall it before purging it, but I can't install it because it's not in the application manager for instalation and can't instal from apt-get | 06:52 |
| Tb0n3 | install* | 06:52 |
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| |R | mplayer still? | 07:20 |
| imBen | task | 07:20 |
| imBen | er | 07:20 |
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| czr | mornink. | 07:21 |
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| |R | anyone know where pidgin stores it's config? mine keeps crashing right after the first screen loads after i configured and toyed a bit with it ... | 08:41 |
| czr | meh. finally done with this code. | 08:41 |
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| |R | how do you install tar, bash etc, without having a REMOVE warning for a 100 package... argh | 09:53 |
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| Esben | What is the status of the maemo images that I can build with OpenEmbedded compared to Nokia's maemo images? | 10:06 |
| Esben | Are they exactly the same, some features missing, completely different? | 10:06 |
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| chris00_297244 | see my ex-girlfriend naked on: www.nackte-ex.de.gg <-my revenge | 10:29 |
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| ulpe | got to see that ;) | 10:32 |
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| |R | haha | 10:32 |
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| _pcfe_ | oh FFS now we also get spam on FreeNode | 10:32 |
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| ulpe | reminds me of this quote: http://www.bash.org/?7444 | 10:34 |
| czr | _pcfe_, now? :-) | 10:35 |
| czr | they're not very frequent, but surely they visited this channel before too? | 10:35 |
| _pcfe_ | rofl | 10:35 |
| _pcfe_ | czr: it was the first I saw in #maemo, then again mostly I only see stuff that triggers a notification and this surely dont. Just had the window in front of me by chace | 10:36 |
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| czr | _pcfe_, what, naked doesn't high-light for you? :-) | 10:36 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| czr | mornigs jaffa | 10:48 |
| solmumaha | morning | 10:49 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:49 |
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| felipec | /opt/scratchbox/tools/bin/dialog: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld.so: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory | 11:42 |
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| felipec | that's with chinook | 11:43 |
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| opy | good morning (~ugt) | 12:04 |
| opy | pupnik r u here ?? | 12:04 |
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| sujan | Hi | 12:20 |
| sujan | pupnik: R U there? | 12:21 |
| pupnik | ya | 12:22 |
| sujan | yesterday we talked about building packages with dependencies | 12:23 |
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| sujan | now , how can i add sqlite or hildon-fmmm with my packages? | 12:24 |
| sujan | Can you help me please? | 12:24 |
| pupnik | i don't know but i'm curious to find out so i am googling | 12:26 |
| sujan | Oh.... | 12:26 |
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| sujan | share with me...If you can find any thing...... I am also looking for | 12:27 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:27 |
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| pupnik_ | AD-N770: did you ever look at gtk angband and/or tome? | 12:38 |
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| AD-N770 | pupnik_: no, currently very busy with other aspects of my life | 12:39 |
| AD-N770 | gaming is at the bottom of the list, apart some darts in a pub on friday night :) | 12:39 |
| pupnik_ | yes - i just noticed angband and tome are very similar in their main sections | 12:39 |
| pupnik_ | but iirc nethack is a very different code tree | 12:40 |
| pupnik_ | hope the family is doing well :) | 12:40 |
| AD-N770 | yes, just a bit nervious waiting to know if will be boy or girl, and I have to paint a room, and I would like to draw a mural on the walls | 12:41 |
| AD-N770 | so immersed in creativity limited by the time available after work | 12:42 |
| AD-N770 | and pushing other projects to the bottom of the big ToDo list | 12:43 |
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| pupnik_ | sure | 12:45 |
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| pupnik_ | wb lardman | 12:45 |
| lardman | hi pupnik_ | 12:45 |
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| ulpe | hey! Are there any source code available for games supplied with N800 (Blocks, particulary)? | 12:58 |
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| jani | afaik, it is opensource and sourcedeb can be downloaded from apt repository ? | 13:11 |
| ulpe | k, I found the sources | 13:12 |
| jani | if i may ask, for what do you need'em ? | 13:14 |
| ulpe | I'm trying to figure out how to best rotate the whole display to be in portrait mode | 13:20 |
| ulpe | but I realized blocks uses SDL | 13:20 |
| jani | yep, it does. | 13:20 |
| jani | and its not really rotated, it just switches the coords around | 13:20 |
| ulpe | currently I'm messing around with XRandR library... | 13:21 |
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| jani | jahcure kiertue peruttu briteissä | 13:24 |
| disq | anybody got the n95 remote? i'd like to test and see if the extra keys are recognized by the n800 | 13:25 |
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| jani | wrong chan duh. | 13:33 |
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| bansteen | hi everyone | 13:34 |
| bansteen | can i install armel.deb packages inside scratchbox | 13:34 |
| Veggen | Sure. In the arm target :) | 13:35 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: fakeroot dpkg -i package.deb | 13:35 |
| bansteen | sbox-SDK_ARMEL: | 13:36 |
| bansteen | here? | 13:36 |
| _Monkey | here is why I cant get canola working | 13:36 |
| Veggen | bansteen: yes. But did you fix it since yesterday? ;) | 13:37 |
| bansteen | ya | 13:37 |
| bansteen | i ran apt-get update | 13:37 |
| opy | hi bansteen!! | 13:38 |
| bansteen | when i try to install deb package it shows this error | 13:38 |
| bansteen | dpkg: error processing powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb (--install): | 13:38 |
| bansteen | package architecture (armel) does not match system (arm) | 13:38 |
| bansteen | Errors were encountered while processing: | 13:38 |
| bansteen | powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb | 13:38 |
| bansteen | opy: hi jan | 13:38 |
| opy | good morning lardman(~ugt) | 13:38 |
| bansteen | opy: congratulations | 13:38 |
| Veggen | bansteen: hmm...looks like you have made an arm and not an armel target? ;) | 13:39 |
| bansteen | opy: what abt my gift | 13:39 |
| opy | thank you!!!!!!!!! | 13:39 |
| bansteen | whts the diff. bet arm and armel target | 13:39 |
| Veggen | two different hardware architectures. | 13:39 |
| bansteen | can u plssss help me on this | 13:40 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort | 13:40 |
| AD-N770 | is a software difference | 13:40 |
| AD-N770 | different ABI convention | 13:40 |
| bansteen | so if i want to install powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb | 13:41 |
| bansteen | wht shud i do | 13:41 |
| * czr peeks | 13:41 | |
| Veggen | bansteen: Make an armel target ;) | 13:41 |
| bansteen | from sb-menu? | 13:42 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: last time I've installed following: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 | 13:42 |
| lardman | _Monkey: forget here | 13:42 |
| _Monkey | lardman: I forgot here | 13:42 |
| Veggen | well, long since I did it. But follow the documentation *exactly*. | 13:42 |
| lardman | morning opy | 13:43 |
| pupnik_ | 1 Dollar = 0.70 euro, 1.41 dollar = 1 euro | 13:43 |
| lardman | ~convert $1 to euros | 13:43 |
| infobot | euros is an invalid unit? | 13:43 |
| lardman | ~convert $1 to euro | 13:44 |
| infobot | euro is an invalid unit? | 13:44 |
| lardman | oh well | 13:44 |
| czr | eurobot is an invalid unit | 13:44 |
| lardman | :) | 13:44 |
| czr | infobot even.. | 13:44 |
| czr | damn. | 13:44 |
| czr | lardman, calculating salaries? | 13:44 |
| pupnik_ | Amazon.com Nokia n800 $280, Amazon.de N800 345 euro ($486!!!) | 13:44 |
| lardman | yeah, hourly rate working at uni :( | 13:44 |
| lardman | ;) | 13:45 |
| pupnik_ | Why is nokia 1.7 times more expensive in euro? | 13:45 |
| czr | lardman, working at uni does not compute.. :-) | 13:45 |
| czr | pupnik_, because it's special nokia euro | 13:45 |
| lardman | no, I'm finishing off my contract - was writing up phd | 13:45 |
| czr | lardman, ah. cool. | 13:45 |
| bansteen | Veggen: i downloaded the maemo os 0.5 | 13:45 |
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| bansteen | Veggen: my i 386 target is working fine | 13:46 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: 0.5 ITOS2005 ? | 13:48 |
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| bansteen | Maemo-LiveCD-58215 | 13:48 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: IT OS2005 was arm, first armel was version is IT OS2006 | 13:49 |
| bansteen | can i install armel.deb there | 13:50 |
| bansteen | the truth is before installing or doing anything with maemo, I need to study more abt this things | 13:50 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: according to http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Maemo-LiveCD-58215.shtml | 13:52 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: known issues: | 13:52 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: • /scratchbox/packages/Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_v1.0_arm.tgz is unavailable. Therefore, you can't build packages targeting the arm processor running Maemo on Nokia 770. | 13:52 |
| bansteen | ya | 13:52 |
| bansteen | but me working for n800 | 13:53 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen; Maemo v.1.0 was arm v2 is first armel | 13:53 |
| bansteen | oh | 13:53 |
| bansteen | so i ahve maemo v.1.0 | 13:53 |
| bansteen | *have | 13:53 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: I suspect it :) | 13:53 |
| bansteen | maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel | 13:54 |
| bansteen | i have this installed | 13:54 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: which sbox version? | 13:54 |
| bansteen | maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1 | 13:55 |
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| bansteen | i ran programs in i386 | 13:55 |
| bansteen | target.. | 13:55 |
| bansteen | but none in sbox_armel | 13:55 |
| bansteen | should i agian reinstall | 13:55 |
| AD-N770 | basteen: the live cd had an old sbox/old maemo fisrt ? | 13:56 |
| bansteen | AD-N770: actually now i am in ubuntu | 13:56 |
| bansteen | i am not in live cd | 13:56 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: I'm also on ubuntu | 13:56 |
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| bansteen | so let me again reset all the targets | 13:57 |
| bansteen | then try to sart export DISPLAY=:2 | 13:58 |
| bansteen | and | 13:58 |
| bansteen | af-sb-init.sh start | 13:58 |
| bansteen | if the screen comes then my armel target is ok | 13:58 |
| bansteen | rightttttttttttttt? | 13:58 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: yes | 13:59 |
| bansteen | stay with me bro.. | 14:00 |
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| bansteen | AD-N770: it showed a message | 14:02 |
| bansteen | deb file:/home/bansteen/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit | 14:02 |
| bansteen | to add this line in the sources.list | 14:02 |
| bansteen | but which sources.list??? | 14:02 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: /etc/apt/sources.list | 14:03 |
| bansteen | ubuntu's | 14:03 |
| bansteen | got it | 14:03 |
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| AD-N770 | sbox | 14:03 |
| bansteen | hah.. | 14:03 |
| bansteen | sbox | 14:03 |
| bansteen | ? | 14:03 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: in the targets | 14:03 |
| bansteen | ok.. | 14:04 |
| bansteen | got it | 14:04 |
| bansteen | i really feel ashamed but i am a total novice in this maemo thing | 14:04 |
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| AD-N770 | bansteen: read carefully this http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 and check your install | 14:05 |
| RobHu | I installed the boot menu some time ago on my N800. How can I now remove it? If I reflash the N800 with the new OS will that remvoe the boot menu? I want to return the n800 to it's factory state in other words. | 14:05 |
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| AD-N770 | bansteen: read also this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 14:06 |
| bansteen | ok..thnks bro | 14:06 |
| lardman | RobHu: yes that will do it | 14:09 |
| RobHu | lardman: That's great, thankyou | 14:11 |
| lardman | np | 14:12 |
| czr | odd. searching for "arm7 crc16 routine" leads to the N800 kernel module build howto.. | 14:12 |
| lardman | kulve: some people just don't appear to understand the idea of architectures hey | 14:12 |
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| kulve | lardman: you're reffering to the mailing list? :) | 14:15 |
| czr | heh | 14:16 |
| czr | that must be the most traffic on the list I've yet seen. | 14:16 |
| pupnik_ | first time i've seen someone wanting to remove the boot menu | 14:17 |
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| lardman | kulve: yep | 14:17 |
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| bansteen | AD-N770:fakeroot dpkg -i powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb | 14:24 |
| bansteen | Selecting previously deselected package powermanga. | 14:24 |
| bansteen | (Reading database ... 17157 files and directories currently installed.) | 14:24 |
| bansteen | Unpacking powermanga (from powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb) ... | 14:24 |
| bansteen | dpkg: error processing powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb (--install): | 14:24 |
| bansteen | error creating directory `./home/user': Permission denied | 14:24 |
| bansteen | Errors were encountered while processing: | 14:24 |
| bansteen | powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb | 14:24 |
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| dpb_ | That stuff is so annoying.. Packages should never touch stuff under /home, it isn't their job.. | 14:27 |
| lardman | hmm, I didn't think packages were supposed to touch the home directories | 14:27 |
| lardman | beat me :) | 14:27 |
| dpb_ | some packages do, but they're not supposed to | 14:27 |
| lardman | bansteen: create the /home/user directory (within scratchbox) and then copy the files across to your home dir once it's installed | 14:28 |
| dpb_ | the thing is you don't have permissions to /home, so you'll have to create and chown it from outside scratchbox.. :) | 14:28 |
| lardman | fakeroot? | 14:29 |
| dpb_ | nope, /home is owned by root | 14:29 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: outside sbox, sudo ln -s /scratchbox/users/jep/home/jep/ /scratchbox/users/jep/home/user | 14:29 |
| AD-N770 | bansteen: change jep for your username | 14:29 |
| _Monkey | AD-N770: that doesn't look right | 14:29 |
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| lardman | what was _Monkey replying to there I wonder? | 14:29 |
| Veggen | Why can't monkey only talk when specifically asked? | 14:30 |
| lardman | no idea. | 14:30 |
| lardman | who owns/runs him? | 14:30 |
| Veggen | bots shouldn't just talk like that. bad practise. | 14:30 |
| lardman | _Monkey: go away and don't come bacl | 14:31 |
| _Monkey | lardman: i'm not following you... | 14:31 |
| dpb_ | s/bacl/back/ | 14:31 |
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| lardman | _Monkey: it's because I can't spell | 14:31 |
| _Monkey | lardman: i'm not following you... | 14:31 |
| czr | aww. I thought monkey was being ironic | 14:31 |
| lardman | anthropomorphism hey? | 14:32 |
| czr | could easily be | 14:32 |
| bansteen | ok bros.. thnks for ur help | 14:36 |
| bansteen | this is a great chat room | 14:36 |
| bansteen | thnks very much | 14:36 |
| bansteen | bye | 14:36 |
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| czr | this is the bestest char room there is. | 14:36 |
| dpb_ | lol | 14:37 |
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| RobHu | Does the latest Nokia OS support SDHC? I thought it did but it says "Flash card corrupted" in control panel for the 8GB card | 15:06 |
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| jumpula | RobHu: which image do you have? | 15:54 |
| jumpula | version, i mean | 15:54 |
| jumpula | sounds like that you've encountered the famous memory-card-trashing-problem | 15:54 |
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| Blacksitox | hi | 17:13 |
| _Monkey | what's up, Blacksitox | 17:13 |
| Blacksitox | hi _Monkey | 17:13 |
| pupnik_ | pipeline's doing great work on the quake 1 port | 17:14 |
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| sbz | hi | 17:18 |
| pupnik | hi sbz | 17:21 |
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| pupnik | anyone with a n800 want to try pingus? | 17:26 |
| Tak|work | hey pupnik - did you ever get that gngeo port going? | 17:27 |
| pupnik | no gngeo on my drive | 17:28 |
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| pupnik | compact programming: the entire graphics set from the game 'Exile': http://exile.acornarcade.com/images/bbcsource.gif | 17:34 |
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| Tak|work | hah | 17:39 |
| pupnik | did you see the 256-byte demos i linked? | 17:40 |
| Tak|work | no | 17:41 |
| pupnik | http://www.256b.com/demo/225 | 17:41 |
| pupnik | runs ok on dosbox and a fast PC (~20k cycles) | 17:42 |
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| flip^ | pingus? | 17:45 |
| _Monkey | pingus is a free lemmings clone - currently seeking testers http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9794 - /msg pupnik to test | 17:45 |
| flip^ | i'll test it on an n800 (albeit maybe not this second as i'm at work, but i can get it installed if you like) | 17:46 |
| TPC | _Monkey, what licence is it under? | 17:46 |
| _Monkey | tpc: i don't know | 17:46 |
| TPC | _Monkey, that was a fast response, are you a bot? | 17:47 |
| _Monkey | tpc: no idea | 17:47 |
| TPC | so, yes, thats a bot | 17:47 |
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| zoran | TPC, do you realy liek to talk to bots? | 17:47 |
| TPC | zoran, not really | 17:47 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/pingus.html instructions there should be sufficient | 17:48 |
| pupnik | i'm particularly curious if the game slows down after ~12-20 pingus released on n800 | 17:48 |
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| TPC | I would help test, but don't have time today | 17:49 |
| pupnik | np - no hurry | 17:49 |
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| flip^ | ooh, fiddly install steps | 17:50 |
| Tak|work | yes, it would be nice if pupnik would provide nice deb packages for things ;-) | 17:52 |
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| * pupnik agrees | 17:53 | |
| lardman | perhaps pupnik needs a nice script to do the packaging, lardman certainly does | 17:53 |
| Tak|work | whatever happened to mud-builder? | 17:54 |
| celesteh | mud-builder? | 17:54 |
| _Monkey | somebody said mud-builder was "Maemo Unofficial Debs" - an autobuilder for simple source ports that hosts them in a single repository. http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php Forum at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10279 | 17:54 |
| pupnik | was just testing it - automating things ppl don't understand is always dicey | 17:54 |
| Tak|work | dh_make is pretty straightforward in any case | 17:54 |
| pupnik | but there's no point in an end-user package for pingus right now as it's not playable on 770 | 17:55 |
| lardman | I'm more tempted to add an OE target, and use the existing toolchain, binutils and libc, etc. | 17:55 |
| lardman | then just bitbake world and see what comes out | 17:55 |
| dpryo | shit in, shit out | 17:55 |
| zoran | in a first moment I thought nokia would set mud-builder to receive source as input ans spit binary as the answer | 17:55 |
| lardman | yes, but I was planning on feeding it something useful ;) | 17:56 |
| * lardman finds the packaging the biggest pita, wish it could be automated, or the debian tools explained | 17:57 | |
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| flip^ | can't find libsdl... | 18:00 |
| * Jaffa hasn't had enough time to work on mud-builder recently. | 18:00 | |
| flip^ | aha, libsdl1.2 | 18:01 |
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| Tak|work | I hear you - I've been on hiatus | 18:06 |
| * flip^ wonders where pingus installed itself | 18:09 | |
| pupnik | dpkg -X pingus_0.7.1-1_armel.deb . |grep bin/pingus | 18:11 |
| pupnik | ./usr/bin/pingus | 18:11 |
| flip^ | aha, not /usr/games | 18:11 |
| * flip^ goes to hunt it down :) | 18:11 | |
| pupnik | there is a hack to enable execute on mmc - I'm considering making a package that enables mmc execute and symlinks /usr/local to /media/mmc1/local | 18:12 |
| pupnik | that way we could package games to install to /usr/local | 18:12 |
| czr | pupnik, what does the hack do? | 18:12 |
| czr | modify fstab? | 18:12 |
| pupnik | and if people had the mmc link hack enabled, they would all reside on mmc | 18:13 |
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| zoran | like : ln -s /media/mmc1/games/ /bin/game ? | 18:14 |
| pupnik | and there'd be no more need to have ppl use the command line when installing big games to the tablet | 18:14 |
| pupnik | yes ln-s | 18:15 |
| * flip^ hmms at it not even seeming to launch | 18:15 | |
| zoran | :) | 18:15 |
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| pupnik | try pingus -f --fast-mode ... media is in /usr/share/games/pingus | 18:17 |
| pupnik | i'll be moving that to /usr/local/share/games/pingus in next version | 18:18 |
| pupnik | if it is somewhere else, start pingus from the pingus share directory - i.e. ./usr/share/games/pingus | 18:19 |
| flip^ | i'll have a go in a mo | 18:20 |
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| biggs | hello all | 18:24 |
| biggs | big fan... | 18:24 |
| RobHu | jumpula: I /had/ (it's in the post now) the latest nokia image. The card was either unflashed or flashed with ext3. I formated it with vfat and it worked. | 18:25 |
| jumpula | the latest image should (supposedly) fix issues with the memory card corruption | 18:26 |
| flip^ | pupnik: installing in the default location seems to have upset it over the location of the data files | 18:26 |
| jumpula | supposedly in this case means if i remember correctly :) | 18:26 |
| RobHu | If you put in an unformatted card should you be prompted to have it formated? | 18:26 |
| flip^ | pupnik: i'll have a fiddle a bit later and see if i can get things in locations where it'll find them and actually launch | 18:26 |
| RobHu | I couldn't see a way to do that so I installed xterm and dropbear and did it myself | 18:27 |
| pupnik | flip^: are you launching from command-line or menu? | 18:27 |
| jumpula | i have a vague mental image about a warning displayed in the device's screen if the card was unformatted or corrupted | 18:28 |
| flip^ | menu just didn't do anything obvious. command line through errors checking for file /usr/bin/media/mmc1/share/pingus/data//date/core.res | 18:28 |
| flip^ | that really doesn't look like a nice location ;) | 18:28 |
| flip^ | it failed on a few other things after that | 18:28 |
| flip^ | /usr/bin/data/data/core.res | 18:28 |
| flip^ | and data/data/core.res | 18:28 |
| flip^ | No base path found | 18:28 |
| pupnik | sorry then i goofed | 18:29 |
| flip^ | it does suggest using a --datadir option though | 18:29 |
| RobHu | jumpula: I looked at memory in control panel and it just said it was corrupted. That might be because it had a valid partition table but the kernel didn't have ext3 loaded perhaps. | 18:31 |
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| jumpula | might be | 18:33 |
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| RobHu | It would be sensible to assume that something with a partition table was formatted already, and something without one wasn't | 18:34 |
| RobHu | and if you can't read the partitions probably something is wrong with the card | 18:34 |
| biggs | guys.. i have a question.. I followed instructions on making my 800 boot up as root. the only problem with that is now i cannot use the application manager to install applications | 18:34 |
| biggs | is there a way of doing booth? | 18:34 |
| biggs | both* | 18:34 |
| ||cw | RobHu: just so you know, and maybe you do, formating a card with ext3 causes twice the writes and so will wear out the card twice as fast | 18:35 |
| biggs | I remebered that I changed user:29999:29999 and change to user :0:0 | 18:35 |
| biggs | and also root: /root and change to root: /home/user/ | 18:35 |
| ||cw | biggs: why do you need it to run as root? | 18:35 |
| biggs | because I have written a program that can only run as root | 18:36 |
| biggs | and i didn't want to have to type sudo gainroot everytime I ran it | 18:36 |
| biggs | which is everytime my 800 starts up | 18:36 |
| ||cw | add it to sudoers | 18:36 |
| RobHu | ||cw: Yes, but it's journalled and I get the impression that write leveling / the lifetime of the card makes this not matter so much. Although I suppose if you don't have write leveling and the journal remains in one place it's a problem | 18:37 |
| RobHu | Although, I now don't have a N800 this is a bit academic for me :P | 18:37 |
| biggs | what do i add to sudoers? | 18:37 |
| zoran | could you roll back all you wrote regarding root? | 18:37 |
| biggs | zoran* are you speaking to me? | 18:39 |
| ||cw | biggs: copy the gainroot line and add your binary | 18:39 |
| zoran | if you changed root options | 18:39 |
| biggs | could you be a bit more specific.... | 18:39 |
| zoran | user id is 299999 | 18:39 |
| biggs | ||cw | 18:40 |
| zoran | root is low numbered | 18:40 |
| ||cw | biggs: vi /etc/sudoers and look at it | 18:40 |
| zoran | nokia uses sudo to go around install etc | 18:40 |
| biggs | ok thanks... i will take a look now | 18:40 |
| biggs | apopreciate it | 18:40 |
| zoran | and change MODE=enable # in gainroot file | 18:40 |
| _Monkey | zoran: that doesn't look right | 18:40 |
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| zoran | hurah! | 18:41 |
| zoran | biggs, you could always set 755 to the file and exec it as whoever | 18:42 |
| ||cw | with suid | 18:43 |
| ||cw | sudo is cleaner in the long run | 18:43 |
| |R | SUID anyone? :P | 18:43 |
| zoran | me, please | 18:44 |
| |R | ~ | 18:44 |
| |R | oops :) | 18:44 |
| ||cw | i'm on a suid free diet, my personal trainer, ubuntu, doens't allow it | 18:45 |
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| |R | hehe | 18:45 |
| zoran | fine way would be to completely separate root and user | 18:47 |
| zoran | just user cannot run su | 18:47 |
| ||cw | I think you just need to add /bin/sh to sudoers and you can "sudo -i" which is the new "su -" | 18:48 |
| zoran | hm, I don't have sudo on my box and live without it happily | 18:49 |
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| czr | or you could just write your own C wrapper that launches a shell and then set SUID to it (I have one ready if you really want it) | 18:53 |
| czr | or if you want to be extra sneaky, SGID ;-) | 18:54 |
| zoran | hm, I would like to trim all down to fit 770 memory | 18:54 |
| zoran | (if it concerns me) | 18:54 |
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| |R | anyone got bash and/or tar installed without it asking to remove basically everything you have installed before? | 19:00 |
| |R | And then, can you replace the default shell... | 19:00 |
| |R | i know busybox provides a lot though, some tools might be missing, like sed or whatever | 19:00 |
| zoran | IR, I had to reflash for chsh | 19:01 |
| zoran | I stupidly changed /etc/shells file | 19:01 |
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| |R | zoran : you mean it works with chsh? or it breaks any way you do it? :) | 19:18 |
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| zoran | |R, breaks!!!!!!!! | 19:19 |
| zoran | I made a mistake, you know | 19:19 |
| zoran | I installed bahs in /usr/bin/bash | 19:20 |
| zoran | and changed /etc/shells accouringly | 19:20 |
| zoran | so, it went into the circle | 19:20 |
| zoran | chsh works on all unices I know | 19:20 |
| |R | arg /: | 19:21 |
| * |R has not slepped enough ;) | 19:21 | |
| zoran | but I found the way to get rid of path in prompt | 19:22 |
| zoran | and I tried out to change it via osso-xterm.desktop | 19:23 |
| zoran | btw, someone uses bash running as default | 19:25 |
| zoran | ? | 19:25 |
| |R | i guess i should just extract it somewhere to get the binary and use it for scripts only... like ruby or python | 19:31 |
| |R | that's too bad, busybox is a p.i.t.a. ;) | 19:31 |
| |R | (a well done one though :P) | 19:31 |
| zoran | |R, bash? | 19:32 |
| pupnik | bsd nvi is a great vi replacement | 19:34 |
| |R | zoran: yep | 19:35 |
| zoran | k, anyway vi on busybox is not so bad | 19:35 |
| |R | i installed vim, it's my second OS :P | 19:35 |
| zoran | |R, you could install bash and call it via "$bash" | 19:35 |
| pupnik | busybox vi is missing core commands and has display bugs | 19:35 |
| zoran | $ bahs | 19:35 |
| zoran | $ bash | 19:35 |
| |R | zoran: yeah i know, it's just that the package conflicts with everything... so i'd have to extract it | 19:35 |
| zoran | uh, what typos | 19:35 |
| zoran | no, you need bash-m | 19:36 |
| |R | ok, what's that? :) | 19:36 |
| zoran | the same, but differently named | 19:36 |
| zoran | busybox calls out for "bash" | 19:36 |
| zoran | I had it installed and fired up with " $ bash " | 19:37 |
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| zoran | worked | 19:37 |
| zoran | and I wanted to have it as default | 19:37 |
| zoran | and what a fun I had then | 19:38 |
| |R | hehe | 19:38 |
| zoran | I walked around almost mad | 19:38 |
| zoran | and screemed secret words | 19:38 |
| |R | i can imagine | 19:38 |
| zoran | 3.2006.49 looks fine to me | 19:39 |
| |R | after having setup the device for many hours, I'd be pretty mad to screw things up right now :P | 19:39 |
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| |R | i'm using the latest 2007 release though... | 19:39 |
| zoran | on 770? | 19:39 |
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| |R | n800 here | 19:39 |
| zoran | ah, you lucky guy! | 19:40 |
| |R | just got it last week | 19:40 |
| |R | hehe :) | 19:40 |
| zoran | 770 is fine with me | 19:40 |
| zoran | little memory footprint... | 19:40 |
| zoran | but I use console apps anyway | 19:40 |
| |R | yeah, i don't know what i'll be doing the most yet ... | 19:41 |
| |R | i need to find a VPN ipsec client for 2007/n800 | 19:41 |
| |R | i'm not sure vpnc works, i'm looking into it :) | 19:41 |
| zoran | I saw openvps or something | 19:41 |
| zoran | *vpn | 19:41 |
| |R | googlin' :) | 19:42 |
| |R | uhm, i'm find a maemo2 not 3 one... | 19:42 |
| Tak|work | zoran: no 2007HE? | 19:43 |
| zoran | I am modest guy | 19:43 |
| zoran | I would kill me | 19:43 |
| zoran | all that happiness | 19:43 |
| zoran | seriously, I've heard HE is a little bit bloated | 19:44 |
| zoran | think I will remove bt modules from rc2 | 19:44 |
| zoran | I have my little world of mutt, getmail, rawdog, poppy, links... | 19:45 |
| zoran | fast as on desktop box | 19:46 |
| zoran | and a gem called smtppush | 19:46 |
| * Tak|work shrugs | 19:50 | |
| Tak|work | I don't notice much difference, bloatwise | 19:50 |
| zoran | seems that openvpn is available for 800 too | 19:50 |
| zoran | Tak|work, have I missed something | 19:50 |
| * Tak|work shrugs | 19:51 | |
| |R | zoran : maemo3 ? | 19:51 |
| zoran | 49 works better for me than 39 | 19:51 |
| zoran | |R, dunno | 19:51 |
| pupnik | what's the ls option that shows real size of sparse files again | 19:53 |
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| zoran | -S Sort by size (largest file first) before sorting the operands in | 19:55 |
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| zoran | lexicographical order. -S Sort by size (largest file first) before sorting the operands in | 19:55 |
| zoran | uh, buffer in xterm lives it's own life | 19:56 |
| ssam | i signed up for an account on maemo.org, but i can't log in to edit the wiki | 19:56 |
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| zoran | pupnik, or -hl ? | 19:58 |
| pupnik | nope | 19:58 |
| zoran | sparse == thin ? | 19:58 |
| zoran | small files? | 19:58 |
| pupnik | maybe i'm misremembering that there was a way to do it | 19:59 |
| Tak|work | du -sh ? | 19:59 |
| pupnik | yes du will show | 19:59 |
| zoran | -h "Human-readable" output. Use unit suffixes: Byte, Kilobyte, | 20:00 |
| zoran | Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte and Petabyte. | 20:00 |
| czr | ssam, not many can at the moment. seems there is some problem on the website | 20:00 |
| pupnik | zoran sparse files report more disk usage in ls output than they really take up | 20:00 |
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| zoran | aha | 20:00 |
| czr | pupnik, assuming that the underlying fs supports sparse files | 20:00 |
| Tak|work | hah, I can't wait until I see the size of some file on my system in petabytes | 20:00 |
| ssam | czr, ok thanks | 20:01 |
| zoran | I read this days to manage that | 20:01 |
| czr | Tak|work, neither can I. since that would mean that linux filesystems would scale at last. | 20:01 |
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| zoran | september linux journal, I think | 20:02 |
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| * zoran gone to feed dragons | 20:03 | |
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| pupnik | http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html << that's a productive spare-time game developer | 20:07 |
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| flip^ | pupnik: did you work out why pingus would't launch? | 20:16 |
| pupnik | launches here - did you try starting from the game data dir? | 20:16 |
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| nunyabizn | is anyone running openvpn on the new firmware? | 21:08 |
| Tak|work | hmm - anyone got a good way to conditionally use hildon widgets in a glade project? | 21:10 |
| pancake | anyone playing with vala and hildon bindings? | 21:12 |
| Tak|work | pancake: I looked at it a little - vala's extremely immature | 21:13 |
| Tak|work | and undocumented | 21:13 |
| pancake | Tak|work: i've been writting a serious application with Vala | 21:14 |
| pancake | and works pretty fine for me, the bugs I have reported have been fixed in less than one week | 21:14 |
| pancake | and documentation is senseless (for me) | 21:15 |
| pancake | but i was curious about the hildon bindings | 21:15 |
| pancake | i know that there'r some tricks to make't work properly, but is far more stable than I have expected for a 0.1 version | 21:16 |
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| Tak|work | that's cool | 21:21 |
| Tak|work | does it have exception handling yet? | 21:21 |
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| |R | -- Got SIP response 405 "Method Not Allowed" back from 192.168.1.178 | 21:45 |
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| |R | anyone get this with rtcomm connected to asterisk on their LAN ? | 21:45 |
| |R | i can call but it doesn't ring on incoming calls.. | 21:46 |
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| Tak|work | sounds like a useful feature ;-) | 21:51 |
| pancake | yup it does (the exception handler) | 21:52 |
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| cosmo | hmm, this would be nice with maemo & keyboard & mouse: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/samsungs-19-inch-syncmaster-940ux-lcd-picks-usb/ | 21:55 |
| Tak|work | pancake: ahh - when I was looking at it, I tried putting a try/catch in my code, and the compiler segfaulted ;-) | 21:58 |
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| sp3000 | oops | 22:12 |
| sp3000 | why am I reading all the retarded comments on that | 22:12 |
| pancake | hehe | 22:14 |
| pancake | try the svn ;) | 22:14 |
| flip^ | pupnik: i got pingus to run :) | 22:21 |
| pupnik | yeey | 22:23 |
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| flip^ | took --datadir and some fiddling (though much of the fiddling would have been uncessary if i'd guessed the right datadir to start with | 22:24 |
| pupnik | yah .. i think you'll see that it's an excellent game for the tablet | 22:24 |
| pupnik | dpad to move screen around | 22:25 |
| pupnik | do you have swap enabled? | 22:25 |
| flip^ | that just made it a little more excellent ;) it was getting clunky moving the pointer to the edge of the screen for moving the screen about | 22:25 |
| flip^ | yeah, i have swap enabled - have no shortage of mmc space atm | 22:25 |
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| flip^ | and it runs fine... no slowdown with 20 on the screen | 22:25 |
| pupnik | ok two more: do you get a lag before panning with dpad | 22:26 |
| pupnik | and do you get a long lag after completing a level? | 22:27 |
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| flip^ | dpad panning is fine... there's a little lag transitioning into levels after ticking the box to start, and after completnig a level | 22:29 |
| flip^ | but its no more than a second or two | 22:29 |
| pupnik | sheez, it's like 25 seconds on 770 | 22:29 |
| flip^ | well, maybe 3 or 4... but its really not very long | 22:31 |
| flip^ | certainly playable on a n800 | 22:31 |
| pupnik | that's all good | 22:31 |
| flip^ | the transitions (where it cuts from the centre of the screen to the map, or whatever) are a bit jerky, but not slow | 22:32 |
| pupnik | those can be easily disabled | 22:32 |
| flip^ | map to description of level takes about 8 seconds | 22:32 |
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| flip^ | 5 seconds from description to get into the level itself | 22:32 |
| pupnik | thanks - great feedback | 22:33 |
| pupnik | nice to hear it's so fast | 22:33 |
| flip^ | its a little irritating having to double tap pingus to get them to do things, but i guess it'd be useful when you want to know what one of them is without actually assigning a command | 22:33 |
| pupnik | that's like 5-7 times faster than on 77 | 22:33 |
| pupnik | yes that's a game-design decision by grumbel | 22:34 |
| * flip^ nods | 22:34 | |
| pupnik | it's very difficult to click on the correct pingu when things are heavily lagged | 22:34 |
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| flip^ | completing that level (the bashers one) seemed to take longer, maybe almost 10 seconds from level complete to summary of success... but i may have overcuonted a little | 22:34 |
| * flip^ nods | 22:35 | |
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| pupnik | i'll spend some time this week on it, getting libboost into the .deb package and moving the install dir to /usr/local | 22:37 |
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| pupnik | testing it here is difficult, as it locks up pretty frequently | 22:38 |
| flip^ | out of interest, on the description/summary screens, is all the text meant to fit inside the green box? | 22:38 |
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| pupnik | yes, the pingus devs know about the problem | 22:38 |
| flip^ | ah ok | 22:39 |
| flip^ | seems ok on a level with all the snow falling too | 22:39 |
| pupnik | you running with --fast-mode? | 22:39 |
| flip^ | nope | 22:39 |
| pupnik | graaah | 22:39 |
| flip^ | i forgot about that this time | 22:39 |
| flip^ | graaah? | 22:40 |
| pupnik | and it's still smooth? | 22:40 |
| pupnik | without --fast it's completely unplayable on 770 | 22:40 |
| flip^ | with all the snow its ever so slightly jerky, but doesn't feel slowed down at all | 22:40 |
| pupnik | holy crap that's awesome | 22:40 |
| * flip^ tries with fast mode | 22:40 | |
| flip^ | from the graaah i thought i'd done something wrong :P | 22:40 |
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| flip^ | whats -f do? or is that just --fast-mode shortened | 22:41 |
| pupnik | fullscreen | 22:41 |
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| flip^ | oh, it seemed to do that without me asking it to | 22:41 |
| pupnik | i think i changed it to go fullscreen by default | 22:41 |
| * flip^ nods | 22:42 | |
| pupnik | when you played the level without fast mode, did you see a colored or a black background? | 22:42 |
| flip^ | um... i'll have to go try in a sec... i didn't really look | 22:43 |
| flip^ | heh heh, fast mode is quite nippy, isn't it | 22:43 |
| flip^ | not sure i could touch the pingus fast enough to get them to do what i want | 22:43 |
| flip^ | hmm, that doesn't sound right reading it back >.< | 22:44 |
| flip^ | the transitions seem a little slower in fast mode, if anything, but that might just be that the later levels are more complex and therefore the lag from level summary > level increases with later levels | 22:45 |
| flip^ | the float/bash level certainly takes ages from pressing OK before the level starts | 22:46 |
| flip^ | background in non-fast-mode appears black - no colour | 22:47 |
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| flip^ | ooh, the level with snow (level 5) also has water at the bottom | 22:49 |
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| flip^ | it does, understandably, appear to be a cpu hog, so probably would eat battery for breakfast | 22:51 |
| pupnik | well | 22:53 |
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| pupnik | i am nearly always playing/using cpu-hogs so.. that's normal behavior for me | 22:54 |
| flip^ | oh, it doesn't bother me... i stay on mains power most of the time. thought it worth a note tho | 22:55 |
| flip^ | anyway, time for me to relocate from work to home... happy to offer any more feedback later :) | 22:55 |
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| pupnik | cheers flip^ - ty | 23:07 |
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| Atarii | konttori! | 23:11 |
| _Monkey | i think konttori is receptive to patches in disq's experience, i think he's just a little preoccupied | 23:11 |
| konttori | hi | 23:11 |
| _Monkey | niihau, konttori | 23:11 |
| Atarii | lol thats weird timing | 23:11 |
| konttori | what's up? | 23:11 |
| Atarii | im having problems with 1.7 of ukmp | 23:11 |
| konttori | ah... and I'm fixing it at the moment. | 23:12 |
| Atarii | :D | 23:12 |
| konttori | a coincidence as well | 23:12 |
| Atarii | awesome ill leave u too it :p | 23:12 |
| konttori | no probs | 23:12 |
| Atarii | to* | 23:12 |
| konttori | what did you have the problem with | 23:12 |
| konttori | I'm probably not fixing that atm | 23:12 |
| konttori | so,, I could try to fix it | 23:12 |
| Atarii | the album display is weird | 23:12 |
| Atarii | not sure if its meant to be how it is | 23:12 |
| konttori | what do you mean? | 23:14 |
| disq | _Monkey: forget konttori | 23:14 |
| _Monkey | disq: I forgot konttori | 23:14 |
| Atarii | it only displays one album, but its far off the left side of the screen so i cant click it anyways | 23:15 |
| Atarii | hard to explain :p | 23:15 |
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| konttori | ahh... yeah, if you have too few albums, that happens | 23:15 |
| konttori | I'll try to fix that immediately. Hold on. | 23:15 |
| Atarii | ok thanks :) | 23:15 |
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| konttori | ahh... there we go. Now it should be fixed. | 23:18 |
| konttori | I'll fix a few other things as well and put the version to garage in a sec (read 5 mins) | 23:19 |
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| konttori | ok. I'll test it on the device now and then upload | 23:27 |
| Atarii | :D | 23:31 |
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| konttori | hey, it's there now. | 23:36 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2284/UKMP-1.70Alpha5.deb | 23:36 |
| Atarii | awesome thanks | 23:37 |
| konttori | How come you don't have more than a few albums on the device anyway? Put a few dozen albums in there right now ! ;) | 23:37 |
| Atarii | :O yes sir! | 23:37 |
| konttori | I've modified the UI a bit, so please comment on that if you have the time to try it out | 23:37 |
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| Jiten | I was wondering, is the blue led N800:s directional pad actually used for anything useful anywhere? | 23:43 |
| konttori | nope | 23:43 |
| konttori | i think it was intended as a notifier (like you have new message) | 23:43 |
| konttori | or something like that | 23:44 |
| Jiten | I got the impression that you can control it's brightness since it slowly lights up when you start up the device | 23:44 |
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| Atarii | how do u change the os2007 menu to large size? | 23:44 |
| pupnik | select a 12 pt font | 23:45 |
| pupnik | theme | 23:45 |
| pupnik | er 14 pt | 23:45 |
| Jiten | so, why not use it to indicate how fast the system is churning through it's battery :) | 23:45 |
| Atarii | is that the only way? | 23:45 |
| konttori | Jiten: could well be | 23:45 |
| Atarii | i like the new back button konttori :p | 23:45 |
| Atarii | UI seems a lot more responsive also | 23:46 |
| Jiten | anyway, I guess I'll continue getting the SDK running. I'm a bit mixed on whether to install chinook sdk beta or bora sdk. | 23:47 |
| roope | oh. :) i need to see that tomorrow. | 23:48 |
| konttori | thanks. the back button is from roope | 23:48 |
| Jiten | I'm thinking of porting (well, more like rewrite of the UI, since the original is pyqt) this flashcard program called mnemosyne. | 23:48 |
| konttori | but the theme is still the same old black stuff, not your new one roope | 23:49 |
| roope | ok. well, i've been still iterating on it. | 23:49 |
| roope | i made a even better one today etc. :) | 23:49 |
| Atarii | 2 things, is there a pause button and also is there an exit button? | 23:49 |
| konttori | I'm closer to being able to start the theme as well. | 23:49 |
| konttori | just press dpad middle to pause | 23:49 |
| konttori | press (and keep pressed) back button to exit. | 23:49 |
| konttori | I will add a way to have exit later. Just not yet. | 23:50 |
| Atarii | k, thats wat i did to exit, maybe have the back icon as exit, if you are on the main screen | 23:50 |
| Atarii | with a confirmation popup | 23:50 |
| konttori | Maybe something along that line. | 23:52 |
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| Jiten | no-one has an opinion as to whether I should port this program to chinook or bora? | 23:58 |
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| Atarii | bora | 23:59 |
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