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| timeless | ping | 00:10 |
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| timeless | anyone here know srilatha.sunkanapally@gmail.com | 00:11 |
| timeless | or happen to be familiar with ITOS2007HE-garage | 00:11 |
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| cwong1 | anyone out there knows about how "panning" is implemented? | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | posting unobfusticated email addresses here may increase spam to them. probably not a nice thing to do... | 03:36 |
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| pupnik | the #maemo log has scary-high rankings in google searches. When i look for answers to questions I have, i keep finding my posts here that ask the question. | 03:39 |
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| zerojay | solmumaha: Where's this beta transcoder that you mentioned on ITT? | 04:23 |
| pupnik | i think he sleepies | 04:23 |
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| zerojay | Anyone else got it then? | 04:24 |
| zerojay | Having 3TB of video I can suddenly play on my N800 would be great. | 04:24 |
| pupnik | http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/knots/ | 04:24 |
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| zerojay | Thanks. | 04:24 |
| pupnik | you'll need a non-crippled version of ffmpeg to do the transcoding | 04:25 |
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| pupnik | use 'ffmpeg -formats' and look for the "E" in the codecs section to see what codecs it supports | 04:26 |
| pupnik | i had to use wmv2 for the video and mp2 for the audio | 04:27 |
| pupnik | i absolutely love it. Been spending a lot of time on the couch with the n770 watching vids i'd forgotten I had | 04:28 |
| zerojay | wtf.. why does vlc depend on firefox? | 04:29 |
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| pupnik | i think because of the browser plugin | 04:29 |
| zerojay | Yeah, you're right. | 04:30 |
| zerojay | Viva la Gentoo. | 04:30 |
| pupnik | Gentoo? haha seeya tomorrow | 04:30 |
| zerojay | vlc take a long time to compile? | 04:31 |
| pupnik | yes, but i tried on a p3 950mhz so ymmv | 04:31 |
| zerojay | What's your idea of "long time" though? Might be different than mine... compiling all of KDE. ;P | 04:31 |
| pupnik | i don't know - a few hours, times 5 | 04:32 |
| pupnik | since things broke for me | 04:32 |
| zerojay | Damn. | 04:32 |
| pupnik | who knows though - maybe your gentoo sources won't compile-in so much cruft | 04:33 |
| pupnik | but 0.9.0 is required | 04:33 |
| zerojay | Well, I don't compile what I don't need or want. | 04:34 |
| pupnik | you'll probably be done in twenty minutes and make me feel stupid :) | 04:34 |
| zerojay | Nah. | 04:35 |
| zerojay | Portage only has 0.8.6c. | 04:35 |
| zerojay | Oh well. | 04:35 |
| zerojay | I'm not quite *that* interested. | 04:35 |
| pupnik | here's the latest afaict http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/source/trunk-20070927-0020/vlc-snapshot-20070927.tar.bz2 | 04:36 |
| zerojay | Yeah, I'm just not too interested in installing something I won't have an easy time removing later. | 04:36 |
| pupnik | right | 04:37 |
| zerojay | Which is why this install of Gentoo's almost four years old now. | 04:37 |
| zerojay | Worked well enough for you? | 04:38 |
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| pupnik | i used 0.9.0 deb packages | 04:41 |
| pupnik | ran into a bunch of strange problems too, but solmumaha was right there to fix-up his client/server. | 04:42 |
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| bjv | how do you make a new file/new canvas in Horizon? | 04:43 |
| bjv | damn, battery just died :| | 04:43 |
| zerojay | Screw it, I'll try the nightly tarball. | 04:43 |
| zerojay | pupnik: I was going to ask what version of ffmpeg you've got when I checked mine. | 04:45 |
| zerojay | FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN | 04:45 |
| zerojay | Great help. ;) | 04:46 |
| zerojay | ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20070330 | 04:46 |
| zerojay | solmumaha: Your ruby-maemo link 404's. | 04:49 |
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| pupnik | :/ | 05:01 |
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| sbz | hi, there is a flasher utiliy for freebsd os ? | 05:44 |
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| pupnik | sbz - dunno but i think you can now flash from mmc | 05:46 |
| pupnik | check fanoush's post on ITT | 05:46 |
| unique311 | wow | 05:46 |
| unique311 | check this out.. | 05:46 |
| pupnik | maybe i am halluciremembering this | 05:46 |
| unique311 | http://videos.caught-on-video.com/video/5a49c731-9532-46f7-b4ec-99a000e47492.htm | 05:46 |
| sbz | okay, thanks pupnik | 05:46 |
| unique311 | the year 2007 and people don't know that the moon rotates around the earth | 05:47 |
| pupnik | eyah i saw that one unique311 :) | 05:47 |
| unique311 | wow | 05:47 |
| unique311 | the audience said the sun | 05:47 |
| unique311 | well the majority of the audience | 05:48 |
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| pupnik | yeah assuming there wasn't a screwup in the controllers/software, or the whole vid isn't a prank | 05:49 |
| pupnik | he's got a cute wife | 05:50 |
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| pupnik | 'Sofie doesn't look happy' | 05:51 |
| unique311 | true | 05:51 |
| pupnik | 'why?' | 05:51 |
| pupnik | hah | 05:51 |
| unique311 | but come on, i think everyone learns this in elemetary if not pre-school | 05:52 |
| unique311 | kindergarden | 05:52 |
| unique311 | elementary is pre school....shit | 05:52 |
| unique311 | not sure how your school system is pupnik? | 05:52 |
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| unique311 | kindergarten, elementary, junior high school, high school, college | 05:53 |
| unique311 | I really think i can ask my nephew who is in the 2nd grade that question, and he would answer it correctly. | 05:54 |
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| pupnik | i remember seeing it in a picture book about the planets | 05:59 |
| pupnik | that i used to have my mom read me | 05:59 |
| pupnik | It had this really trippy colorful path leading from the sun out to each of the planets, with a few words describing them | 06:00 |
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| pupnik | wow i haven't thought about that book in decades | 06:00 |
| unique311 | memories | 06:01 |
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| |R | does anyone know if a bluetooth headset will be supported with the newly announced pure SIP client? :) | 06:29 |
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| bjv | im looking in the gconf editor for something to configure the file select dialog | 06:33 |
| bjv | getting warmer? | 06:34 |
| bjv | i would prefer for it to start in detail list mode, rather then thumbnail mode | 06:35 |
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| rene4jazz | hi all | 06:38 |
| rene4jazz | I' am having the following error: Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! | 06:39 |
| rene4jazz | when I execute af-sb-init.sh | 06:40 |
| rene4jazz | any clue? | 06:41 |
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| bjv | "HildonFileSelection uses HildonFileSystemModel as its data store. Multiple file selections can share a common data model. This reduces memory consumption and loading times. This approach is used in HildonFileChooserDialog." | 06:50 |
| bjv | http://maemo.org/api_refs/2.1/hildon-docs/fm-html/hildon-fm-HildonFileSelection.html | 06:50 |
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| bjv | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/reference/hildon-fmmm/html/classHildon_1_1FileSelection.html#a22 | 06:53 |
| bjv | " Swithces file selection between list and thumbnail modes. Note that this function works only after widget is shown because of Gtk::Notebook implementation. " | 06:54 |
| bjv | so the particular way HildonFileChooserDialog starts up is handled by the individual app that makes the call? | 06:55 |
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| rene4jazz | do I have to install Xephyr inside the scratchbox target to be able to start the maemo graphical environment? | 07:38 |
| `0660 | no | 07:43 |
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| eichi | with net gconf editor i chan change some osso variables...like what to start, if camera is out...called on-camera-out. Someone knows what to type to get the app "camera" start then? | 10:11 |
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| mbuf | chinook SDK can be used to test code on N800? | 10:22 |
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| jani | huomen | 10:23 |
| Dasaev | ta | 10:23 |
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| Robot101 | mbuf: I thnk the 3.0 sdk is matched to the latest flash images on the N800 | 10:24 |
| mbuf | Robot101, i see | 10:25 |
| mbuf | Robot101, just checked the release notes, http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/unstable/chinook-beta/maemo-sdk-relnotes_4.0beta.txt | 10:28 |
| mbuf | Robot101, software built with this, will not work with ITOS on N800 or earleir | 10:28 |
| mbuf | *earlier | 10:28 |
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| eichi | no one can help me? | 10:33 |
| mbuf | eichi, what is your question? | 10:34 |
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| eichi | with net gconf editor i chan change some osso variables...like what to start, if camera is out...called on-camera-out. Someone knows what to type to get the app "camera" start then? | 10:35 |
| mbuf | eichi, sorry, i can't help you on that; not worked with it, yet | 10:36 |
| eichi | damn ^^ :) | 10:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
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| dolske | ugh. http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/live-from-nokia-unlocked.html | 11:06 |
| dolske | I'm going to go out on a limb, and say drawing attention to the N800's miserable camera maybe isn't the best idea... :-) | 11:06 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:08 |
| jani | kinda crappy picture yes =) | 11:08 |
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| * Jaffa is in a quandry - most useless feature of a Maemo device: the N800's camera or osso-email... decisions, decisions. | 11:18 | |
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| eichi | yeah, the n800 cam is a mess | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: ping (comment on ITT about a transcoding solution) | 11:29 |
| pupnik | maybe i know the answer Jaffa | 11:30 |
| * Jaffa wants more info, since he'd not heard of it and was about to start writing his own sync/transcoding management thingy | 11:31 | |
| pupnik | if my camera could focus on the 770 in movie mode, i'd upload a demo | 11:31 |
| pupnik | you start the app, it connects to the ruby server on pc | 11:32 |
| pupnik | client gets a list of video categories, you click on a category, client gets list of videos in the included dir (very fast* - i've had 600 videos update in 3 seconds or so) | 11:32 |
| pupnik | scroll down to your video. client starts mplayer, server starts vlc transcoding (via ffmpeg) | 11:33 |
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| Jaffa | Oh, so it's an online streaming thing. Cool, but not quite what I want. | 11:35 |
| Jaffa | I want a set of videos (either explicitly managed or put in a particular directory by PVR) to be automatically transcoded and the N800 to automatically connect each night and sync. | 11:35 |
| Jaffa | Still, your vlc/mplayer streaming solution will be cool in the house | 11:36 |
| pupnik | solmumaha made it. i just helped test | 11:36 |
| pupnik | does your PVR run mythtv? | 11:37 |
| pupnik | i play with mythtv setup every few months but never got it running | 11:38 |
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| Jaffa | It did, but I switched back to Freevo as I found the quality of the UI and audio output of MythMusic too poor | 11:41 |
| Jaffa | Freevo's much more hackable, since it's written in Python | 11:42 |
| pupnik | Is freevo something that would lend itself to control through the tv, via IR? | 11:44 |
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| jani | control thru tv ? | 11:45 |
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| jani | you can control free with remote if your linuxbox has ir capability =) | 11:46 |
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| Jaffa | There's also a remote control interface so, for example, the Freevo web server can control the UI on the TV | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | So an N800 interface would be perfectly doable to make an IP-based remote control | 11:49 |
| pupnik | yeah. i need to do IR tho | 11:50 |
| pupnik | the only device my users can operate is a TV remote | 11:50 |
| pupnik | i've run cat5 through the walls, 4 wires hold the svhs signal, two wires the audio and two wires for the IR signal | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | So, yeah, I control Freevo via a Streamzap USB IR receiver. Works wery well | 11:51 |
| pupnik | ok ty | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | Anything lirc supports, basically (including homebrew) | 11:51 |
| pupnik | nice. | 11:52 |
| pupnik | I tried a 2.4ghz video sender/receiver station but the picture quality stank | 11:52 |
| pupnik | svhs over 5 meters of cat5 worked surprisingly well | 11:53 |
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| pupnik | Dar Jamaihl? | 11:55 |
| pupnik | oh wrong channel | 11:55 |
| railk | anyone know where i can get libgcrypt11 and libgnutls11? (needed by pidgin) | 11:55 |
| Dar | pupnik: np ;) | 11:55 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 11:55 |
| _Monkey | i guess repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 11:55 |
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| railk | _Monkey, thanks, didn't notice you could search on that repo list page :P | 11:58 |
| _Monkey | pas de quoi railk | 11:58 |
| Big_B | good morning (~ugt) | 11:58 |
| railk | eh, bot? | 11:58 |
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| sarower | hi all | 12:09 |
| sarower | I have a nokia N800 device.. | 12:09 |
| sarower | I want to build an application developed by us... | 12:10 |
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| sarower | in in gtkmm | 12:10 |
| sarower | but can not installl...... | 12:10 |
| sarower | it needs the packages,...... | 12:10 |
| solmumaha | Jaffa: what do you need to know? | 12:11 |
| sarower | hildonlibs-fmmm, etc | 12:11 |
| sarower | I have downloaded it | 12:11 |
| sarower | but when i want to install by the application manager | 12:11 |
| sarower | it shows that uncompaitable version | 12:11 |
| sarower | what could be done now? | 12:11 |
| sarower | solmumaha.. Can u please explain? | 12:12 |
| pupnik | install the compatible version :) | 12:13 |
| solmumaha | sarower: no | 12:13 |
| solmumaha | :) comment was made to Jaffa | 12:13 |
| sarower | but which is the compaitable version] | 12:13 |
| sarower | pupnik? | 12:13 |
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| pupnik | sarower: search repositories for 'bora' package | 12:13 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 12:13 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 12:14 |
| * pupnik is a meta-bot | 12:14 | |
| sarower | pupnik: I have alreadu downloaded the latest one! | 12:14 |
| pupnik | sarower: one minute | 12:14 |
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| pupnik | sarower run dpkg -I <package name> to see if it is compatible | 12:16 |
| Big_B | hi pupnik !!! | 12:16 |
| sarower | pupnik: How i can run in the device? | 12:16 |
| pupnik | greets Big_B | 12:16 |
| sarower | is there any comand prompt? | 12:16 |
| pupnik | yes, you can install xterm terminal and/or ssh (openssh or dropbear) to get this | 12:17 |
| pupnik | also for administration you should read up on | 12:18 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 12:18 |
| _Monkey | well, becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 12:18 |
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| * flip^ wonders what metalayer-crawler is | 12:32 | |
| sarower | pupnik: I dont have the internet connection! | 12:32 |
| sarower | if me again if try to install openssh or dropbear then will not it show again the problem? | 12:33 |
| sarower | is there any garantee? | 12:33 |
| sarower | then what could be done? | 12:33 |
| solmumaha | flip^: something you should disable | 12:34 |
| flip^ | looks like it drained my battery in the night and likes eating cpu again this morning | 12:34 |
| flip^ | solmumaha: can i just mv/rm the binary, or is there a 'safe' way to disable it? ;) | 12:34 |
| solmumaha | rm symlinks from /etc/rc?.d | 12:35 |
| flip^ | do you know what it actually does (i've no issue stopping it, but i'm curious if it's going to affect some function of the device unexpectedly) | 12:36 |
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| solmumaha | think it searches for media files from your device | 12:36 |
| solmumaha | have you added a symlink to / under MyDocs perhaps? | 12:36 |
| flip^ | nah, not got anything cyclic like that... | 12:37 |
| solmumaha | k, that causes it to go in a loop | 12:37 |
| solmumaha | but it does that on it's own too, had to disable it few minutes back.. think it comes back to haunt you no matter what you do | 12:38 |
| flip^ | yeah, i might have a hunt around in case something odd is going on somewhere else... but i'm seeing lots of reports of it being a problem on forums | 12:38 |
| flip^ | of course, if xterm won't even load... | 12:39 |
| flip^ | excellent... 'switch off' fails too | 12:40 |
| flip^ | there we go | 12:40 |
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| flip^ | what i do have (when at home) is a dir that has a Tb of media mounted on it from another server (though i'm not at home atm)... i guess that could have upset it | 12:42 |
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| Big_B | hi lardman!!! | 12:54 |
| _Monkey | hi lardman are you here!! | 12:54 |
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| lardman | Hi Big_B | 13:00 |
| * lardman is vaguely happy as his vorbis dsptask is only segfaulting now | 13:00 | |
| Big_B | Lardman : I want to install hildon-fmmm 0.1.2-1 but i got "unable to install , Incompatible application package " I m using N800 . What should i do now . | 13:04 |
| lardman | it may be a .deb for the 770, I imagine there's an n800 version floating around somewhere | 13:04 |
| lardman | kulve: Where do the dbg() statements come out? | 13:05 |
| kulve | syslog | 13:06 |
| _Monkey | syslog is apt-get install sysklogd (or use downloads.maemo.org like everyone else) | 13:06 |
| kulve | lardman: if you have the mbox debug enabled in kernel | 13:06 |
| lardman | kulve: I'm using your kernel, so yes | 13:06 |
| kulve | ok | 13:06 |
| lardman | but I don't see my message | 13:07 |
| kulve | you have the syslog package installed? (and the syslogd running?) | 13:07 |
| lardman | I do see an empty line in the syslog output though | 13:07 |
| lardman | yes | 13:07 |
| kulve | hmm | 13:07 |
| lardman | it's the same as printf(), but with task as the first param? | 13:08 |
| lardman | here's my output: http://pastebin.com/m447a474 | 13:10 |
| Big_B | Lardman : is it sure that N770 and N800 uses different .deb . Can't i use it for N800? | 13:10 |
| Big_B | hildon-fmmm | 13:10 |
| lardman | Big_B: the 770 and n800 use a different binary format for calling libraries, so you need an n800 version | 13:10 |
| Big_B | Ya | 13:11 |
| Big_B | Where can i get it ? | 13:11 |
| lardman | no idea | 13:12 |
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| lardman | kulve: I see in syslog that there's a DBG message received: mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=0011 | 13:12 |
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| Big_B | Ok . I will try by myself . Thanks Lardman. | 13:13 |
| kulve | lardman: this is how I see them: | 13:13 |
| kulve | [105866.529815] mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=003d | 13:13 |
| kulve | [105866.529876] rcv_bksnd: got 160 bytes of data: 0xe5fb 0xdf34 | 13:13 |
| kulve | actually I think I used DBG(), not dbg().. | 13:13 |
| lardman | ok, I'll give it a go | 13:13 |
| kulve | but it's odd that you did receive the DBG mbox message ok.. | 13:15 |
| kulve | lardman: I remembered it wrong, I used the dbg() | 13:15 |
| kulve | + dbg(task, "initializing"); | 13:15 |
| kulve | like that | 13:15 |
| lardman | ah, no \n on the end? | 13:16 |
| lardman | I was wondering about that | 13:17 |
| lardman | hmm, seems I get ABORTADR messages unless I restart the DSP | 13:19 |
| mbuf | doing Bora 3.1 installation on Debian Etch, doing 'apt-get update' in scratchbox gives 'error cannot resolve 'repository.maemo.org', why? | 13:19 |
| lardman | you've not setup a nameserver? | 13:20 |
| mbuf | lardman, in scratchbox resolv.conf or in host resolv.conf? | 13:22 |
| kulve | lardman: I got abortadr if I had something wrong in the INIT ctl comand | 13:22 |
| mbuf | lardman, Internet works on host | 13:22 |
| lardman | mbuf: in scratchbox | 13:23 |
| kulve | mbuf: try "scratchbox maemo nsswitch.conf" in google | 13:23 |
| lardman | kulve: okay, I'll take a look. It's just strange because I don't think I've changed anything and it went from abortadr to working and now back to abortadr | 13:23 |
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| lardman | no, nothing in my case MBCMD_TCTL_TINIT: | 13:26 |
| lardman | except for return 0 | 13:26 |
| kulve | doesn't the return value tell the success.. | 13:27 |
| lardman | I thought you have to return a value if it fails | 13:28 |
| * lardman looks at the spec | 13:28 | |
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| kulve | lardman: yeah, 0 for OK and .. I don't know what in error.. | 13:31 |
| kulve | MBCMD_EID_* in error | 13:31 |
| lardman | MBCMD_EID_BADTCTL is the default return value if you don;'t recognise it | 13:31 |
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| lardman | The only way I can see to get ABORTADR is for something to have written to the memory used to store the task information | 13:36 |
| lardman | here's my logic for that conclusion http://pastebin.com/d687554ef | 13:38 |
| lardman | all the source files are in the DSP-side dspgateway code | 13:39 |
| lardman | when a task is removed, its TID is first set back to 0xDEAD | 13:40 |
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| lardman | But I still can't work out what I've done to get this error, I'm placing my shared memory in EXTMEM2 and EXTMEM3 | 13:41 |
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| kulve | I don't touch that TID.. | 13:45 |
| kulve | + TID_MAGIC, /* tid */ | 13:45 |
| kulve | I think that is some macro giving out proper TID? | 13:45 |
| lardman | Nor do I, but I tracked back to find out where the error came from | 13:45 |
| kulve | hmm | 13:45 |
| lardman | it's set to magic when the task is loaded, then given a numeric ID once it's loaded | 13:46 |
| kulve | ah, sry, I read too qcuikly.. | 13:46 |
| lardman | I've another question - if you look in any of the .cmd files, you'll see something like g711_dec_mmap_buffer: align=0x10000 {} > EXTMEM2 /*must start at beginning of page */ | 13:46 |
| lardman | any idea why it's aligned to 0x10000? Is that actually a page size? | 13:47 |
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| lardman | I suppose that's 2^16 so it makes some sense | 13:48 |
| kulve | I don't know anything about those.. | 13:48 |
| lardman | in the spec it says the mmap buffer needs to be aligned to 2k words, perhaps page boundaries are faster then | 13:48 |
| Big_B | Lardmand I need these .deb 1. hildon-fmmm 2. hildon-libsmm 3. libglibmm -2.4-1 c2a 3.glibgtkmm -2.4-1 c2a 4.libsigc++-2.0-0c2a(>=2.02) 5.libsqlite3-0(>=3.3.5) for N800. Would you like to tell me where can i get it ?? | 13:56 |
| Big_B | Mardman | 13:56 |
| Big_B | Lardman | 13:56 |
| Big_B | or anybody who knows ?? | 13:57 |
| kozuch | Hi, can Maemo run on some other hardware that Nokias N770 and N800??? | 13:57 |
| cosmo | x86 pc | 13:58 |
| lardman | Big_B: sqlite and the other standard ones will probably be in the maemo repo | 13:58 |
| lardman | cosmo: I thought one of those ultra portable pcs was running maemo? | 13:58 |
| lardman | ah, x86 of course :) | 13:58 |
| Big_B | Ya . Lard man i got it here "http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/readme_sqlite_tutorial.html" | 13:59 |
| lardman | Big_B: Just install it via Application Manager | 14:00 |
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| Big_B | ok . Thank you Lardman | 14:01 |
| mbuf | /etc/nsswitch.conf in scratchbox (bora 3.1) has "hosts: dns" ; on host debian etch, /etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files mdsn4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" | 14:02 |
| mbuf | apt-get update gives 'cannot resolve repository.maemo.org' ; google links said only dns should be in hosts file, and it is present in scratchbox, what am i missing? | 14:03 |
| jani | check the dns configfiles in /scratchbox folder outside the scratchbox environment .. | 14:05 |
| lardman | try editing /etc/resolv.conf | 14:05 |
| mbuf | lardman, i have set /etc/resolv.conf to use opendns inside scratchbox; | 14:07 |
| jani | can you access if you use wget ? | 14:08 |
| mbuf | jani, yes | 14:09 |
| lardman | mbuf: No idea then, I just set resolv.conf inside to the same as outside and hey presto | 14:10 |
| mbuf | lardman, maemo 3.1 or 3.2 ? | 14:10 |
| lardman | can't remember to tell the truth, I think 3.2 just worked | 14:12 |
| mbuf | lardman, i will update to 3.2 then; thanks | 14:13 |
| lardman | hmm, hope I remembered correctly ;) | 14:14 |
| jjo_ | network should work even if resolv.conf inside sb points to 127.0.0.1 | 14:14 |
| jjo_ | the problen is usually in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 14:14 |
| mbuf | jjo_, yes by default resolv.conf was set to 127.0.0.1 | 14:15 |
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| lardman | kulve: I've got a new error now: ABORTADR, time to track that one down | 14:17 |
| jjo_ | mbuf: so, is the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf ok | 14:18 |
| mbuf | jjo_, how can i tell? | 14:18 |
| jjo_ | what do you have on the 'hosts: ' line | 14:18 |
| mbuf | jjo_, "hosts: dns" | 14:18 |
| jjo_ | then it should be ok | 14:19 |
| jjo_ | but are you sure you checked /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf? earlier you talked about /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox | 14:20 |
| jjo_ | and I understood that you ment the one inside the scratchbox environment | 14:20 |
| jjo_ | those files are not the same... | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: pupnik answered it. Need any help/testing for your mplayer/vlc streaming doohicky? | 14:22 |
| solmumaha | sure | 14:23 |
| solmumaha | you have a dvb card? | 14:23 |
| mbuf | jjo_, yes by /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox i meant /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 14:27 |
| jjo_ | ok | 14:27 |
| mbuf | jjo_, wait, it is not; /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" | 14:30 |
| mbuf | jjo_, i think it was simply copied from /etc/nsswitch.conf | 14:31 |
| jjo_ | yes, during installation | 14:31 |
| mbuf | jjo_, lardman ok works now, i have only "hosts: files dns" in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf , and apt-get update works! thanks | 14:32 |
| lardman | good good | 14:35 |
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| lardman | hmm, syslogd seems to have stopped producing information since I rebooted | 14:47 |
| lardman | certainly nothing related to dsp_dld anymore | 14:48 |
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| Jaffa | solmumaha: yep | 14:56 |
| kulve | lardman: I don't keep syslogd running because it floods a lot. I just start it when I want to debug something with it | 14:57 |
| kulve | especially the dsp audio codecs floods *alot* with the mbox debug.. | 14:57 |
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| lardman | kulve: I was doing that too, but then I crashed the DSP & it rebooted the N800 | 15:04 |
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| lardman | when I installed syslogd it must have added entries to /etc/init.d | 15:05 |
| lardman | hmm, I think it needs to be dbg() not DBG() | 15:07 |
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| lardman | right, the code is now causing a dsp reset which is making the n800 reboot | 15:14 |
| lardman | time to disable dsme or whatever it's called | 15:14 |
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| lardman | kulve: Removing the \n from the dbg() commands has produced output for me | 15:21 |
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| kulve | nice :) | 15:31 |
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| lardman | Right, I'm making some progress now, the code runs then segfaults, I just need to dbg() through the code and sort out the errors | 15:37 |
| lardman | ncie to get something running after all this effort :) | 15:37 |
| lardman | looks like my current problem is with trying to copy the ogg_buffer structure over to the DSP-side and reassemble it | 15:38 |
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| lardman | I am doing memcpy (doing endianness conversion on the ARM) on ogg_page, ogg_reference and ogg_buffer structs, then updating their pointers to the on the DSPside | 15:39 |
| lardman | this seems to fail for my ogg_buffer | 15:39 |
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| lardman | right, other things to do, back later | 15:40 |
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| rene4jazz | hi all | 16:28 |
| rene4jazz | ld show the following message when I try to compile de maemo_hello.c example code: ld: skipping incompatible //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so when searching for -lhildonwidgets | 16:29 |
| rene4jazz | what can I do? | 16:29 |
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| pupnik_ | hi rene4jazz | 16:31 |
| pupnik_ | did you get error messages when logging-in to scratchbox? | 16:32 |
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| rene4jazz | pupnik, no I don't | 16:38 |
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| rene4jazz | I installed the scratchbox apophis from the debian repository, and installed the Maemo 2.2 dev rootstrap from maemo.org | 16:40 |
| rene4jazz | configured the target with sb-menu selecting debian devkit | 16:40 |
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| lardman | are you compiling for arm or x86? | 16:41 |
| lardman | either way, see what "file //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so" tells you the format of that file is | 16:42 |
| rene4jazz | I have selected the scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 package on the target configuration | 16:42 |
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| rene4jazz | I did it: //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so: symbolic link to `libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0' | 16:44 |
| pupnik | file /usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0 | 16:44 |
| lardman | try "file /usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0" then | 16:44 |
| lardman | beat me! | 16:44 |
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| rene4jazz | //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped | 16:45 |
| pupnik | aha nice catch lardman | 16:45 |
| lardman | no idea why you've got the libs mixed up, perhaps you extracted the wrong rootstrap? | 16:45 |
| mbuf | what should i do if it says, "you should close other scratchbox versions" ? using bora 3.2 on debian etch | 16:46 |
| lardman | mbuf: I assume you logged out of the old version before installing the new one? Did you remember to rmmod the kernel modules? | 16:46 |
| mbuf | lardman, just exiting the terminal is ok? | 16:47 |
| rene4jazz | pupnik: do I have to reinstall? | 16:48 |
| rene4jazz | pupnik: where do I get the i386 version of the development rootstrap | 16:48 |
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| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo.org+i386+rootstrap | 16:49 |
| rene4jazz | this is the url of the rootstrap I downloaded: http://repository.maemo.org///stable/gregale/armel/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz | 16:49 |
| pupnik | yes that *armel* means it runs on the ARM cpu, or on the QEMU arm emulator | 16:50 |
| pupnik | if you are in the i386 scratchbox environment, you need to install the i386 rootstrap | 16:50 |
| pupnik | in scratchbox you can set up two basic types of 'targets' | 16:51 |
| pupnik | one contains a build environment (the rootstrap) compiled for i386 cpu | 16:51 |
| pupnik | another contains the same, only compiled for ARM (armel) | 16:51 |
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| Thanatermesis | is possible to run the system of n800 in a 770, correct ? | 16:51 |
| Thanatermesis | what is the max. size permitted for the MMC card on 770 ? | 16:52 |
| pupnik | when you set up a Scratchbox target, you choose either an i386 or an ARM target, and into this target you must install an i386 or arm rootstrap, respectively | 16:52 |
| alterego | 2GB I think | 16:52 |
| rene4jazz | ok, roger | 16:52 |
| pupnik | Thanatermesis: sort of yes, it is called it2007he, and will run most 'bora' binaries. 2GB yes | 16:53 |
| lardman | mbuf: yes, you probably also need to remove the kernel modules | 16:53 |
| mbuf | lardman, no i am ok with x86 now; just wanted to see how to do it | 16:54 |
| pupnik | rene4jazz: one more note - i never use the i386 target. I think the only real use is for convenient profiling. | 16:55 |
| lardman | mbuf: yeah, exit the terminal and then run "/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop" as root | 16:55 |
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| lardman | pupnik: But profiling on a different arch is somewhat dangerous | 16:56 |
| Thanatermesis | only 2 gb ? uh.. :/ | 16:56 |
| rene4jazz | pupnik: so I have to use the qemu way? | 16:57 |
| mbuf | lardman, ohh ok, i remember doing start earlier; but, it says '/scratchbox/users/foo/dev: device is busy', but echo $? exit status is 0 | 16:57 |
| rene4jazz | I can't find a suitable i386 for maemo gregale 2.2 ( I'm preparing a develpment environment for n770) | 16:58 |
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| pupnik | rene4jazz: it is the only way i know to compile binaries for the tablet. I suggest you set-up a new ARMEL target, use qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2, install debian and cputransp devkits (both!) and install Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz as your rootstrap | 17:00 |
| lardman | mbuf: If it said it was busy you probably already had the modules loaded | 17:00 |
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| rene4jazz | pupnik: I'll try, thank's very much | 17:04 |
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| roue | hola | 17:12 |
| roue | I'm thinking about buying an N800 but have been reading the rumors about the upcoming Nxxx. If the new tablet is going to be 5-600$ then there's no way I'd buy it anyway. Does anyone recall what the N800 cost when it was first released? | 17:13 |
| roue | thanks. | 17:14 |
| lardman | ~£250 perhaps | 17:14 |
| lardman | or was it more | 17:14 |
| lardman | I can't see the new one being so much more expensive to tell the truth | 17:14 |
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| roue | I'm not really interested in gps or wimax -- but if it's got more ram and a faster cpu I'd probably wait. | 17:16 |
| roue | I'm a bit torn. | 17:16 |
| lardman | no-one knows, wait ~43 days and then you might find out something more | 17:16 |
| |R | 400 | 17:16 |
| roue | how long of a wait was there between the 770 and the 800 releases? | 17:17 |
| |R | 1.5 year ? | 17:17 |
| lardman | but more importantly how much of a wait was there between the FCC filing and the release | 17:17 |
| |R | probably 2... just guessing from arcticle's date i've read | 17:17 |
| * mgedmin is probably doomed to buy every new nokia internet tablet that ever comes out... | 17:18 | |
| |R | haha | 17:18 |
| roue | so it probably makes sense to hold off for a month or two. | 17:18 |
| |R | I just ordered an N800 but i'm really hoping to pair it with an OpenMoko in the end ;) | 17:18 |
| lardman | I would, in ~43 days there should be some more info about the new one, at least some pictures, etc. | 17:18 |
| roue | if it has an actually keyboard that would cinch it for me. | 17:18 |
| |R | what' up in 43 days? :) | 17:18 |
| lardman | |R: I was looking at the openmoko, still too dear though | 17:19 |
| roue | that's when the fcc info embargo lifts. | 17:19 |
| |R | lardman : yeah i'm waiting for the GTA02 release to be a bit less rough around the edges.. | 17:19 |
| lardman | |R: I think it would be fun to hack on, but not sure I can justify so much money for the current one, and the next one looks even more expensive | 17:19 |
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| lardman | at least the next one will have a faster processor and video/imaging acceleration | 17:20 |
| |R | lardman : yep, the GTA02 is the next one, wifi, more ram, more mhz, more everything eheh :D | 17:20 |
| lardman | oh, and wifi | 17:20 |
| pupnik | I will probably never sell my 770 | 17:20 |
| |R | that's the main feature for me | 17:21 |
| lardman | I don;t think I can, my gf uses is and my Dad's after something too | 17:21 |
| |R | i really want to ditch the telcos and go 100% VoIP | 17:21 |
| |R | already switched my landline to unlimitel (2.50$/mth + time) which is way better than Bell's offering at 30+$ / month | 17:21 |
| roue | I played around with one of my coworker's N800s for a bit. the speed seemed pretty good. he said he never ran into memory problems even with several apps running at once. anyone here bumping into the speed/memory limits of their N800? | 17:22 |
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| lardman | roue: It's much better than the 770 in that regard, the only issue you may have is with lots of web pages open at the same time | 17:22 |
| lardman | where lots>8 | 17:22 |
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| lardman | or if you want to play games, hey pupnik | 17:23 |
| roue | okay, thanks. | 17:23 |
| pupnik | damn nfs keeps spinning up my drives. | 17:23 |
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| pupnik | evil websites can thrash the n800 - but that's because they're evil, shitty websites. | 17:25 |
| * alterego agrees | 17:25 | |
| alterego | evil and shitty | 17:25 |
| pupnik | echo "127.0.0.1 digg.com" >> /etc/hosts | 17:26 |
| alterego | :D | 17:26 |
| |R | haha | 17:27 |
| roue | is it possible to disable javascript in opera? | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:27 |
| |R | is mozilla 0.1 fairing any better? ;) | 17:27 |
| sp3000 | tick a box, iirc | 17:27 |
| sp3000 | or untick, rather | 17:28 |
| * |R is probably going to get his on monday... | 17:28 | |
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| rene4jazz | pupnik: I have compiled well the maemo_hello.c with cputransp enabled and arm toolchain selected, I'am trying now to start the af-sb-init.sh but it's displays: matchbox-wm: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. | 18:07 |
| pupnik | in your host you must first run start-xephyr.sh to start the X server | 18:07 |
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| pupnik | then in scratchbox export display=:2 | 18:07 |
| rene4jazz | I did | 18:07 |
| rene4jazz | but the documented script returns this: ./start-xephyr.sh: line 4: /scratchbox/users/rene/targets/nokia/usr/bin/Xephyr: No such file or director | 18:08 |
| rene4jazz | do I have to make a symlink? | 18:09 |
| pupnik | look in your /scratchbox/users/rene/targets directory | 18:09 |
| pupnik | there should be a directory with the same name as you seen in your scratchbox target command-line prompt | 18:09 |
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| pupnik | for e.g. here i have targets/SB_Arm/ | 18:10 |
| lardman | can you use xephyr when you're targeting arm? | 18:10 |
| pupnik | sure | 18:10 |
| rene4jazz | my target's name is nokia | 18:10 |
| rene4jazz | /scratchbox/users/rene/targets/nokia/usr/bin/Xephyr: No such file or director | 18:10 |
| pupnik | that's strange i don't have Xephyr there either | 18:11 |
| pupnik | i think you're trying to run the xephyr script from within scratchbox | 18:11 |
| pupnik | do not do that | 18:11 |
| rene4jazz | no I'am not, I have the start-xephyr script in my home dir | 18:12 |
| pupnik | hrm ok | 18:13 |
| rene4jazz | this is the content of the script: #!/bin/sh -e | 18:13 |
| pupnik | this is interesting... | 18:13 |
| rene4jazz | prefix=/scratchbox/users/${LOGNAME}/targets/nokia/usr | 18:13 |
| rene4jazz | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${prefix}/lib; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 18:13 |
| rene4jazz | exec ${prefix}/bin/Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 - | 18:13 |
| pupnik | mine points to the SDK_PC target | 18:14 |
| pupnik | prefix=/scratchbox/users/${LOGNAME}/targets/SDK_PC/usr | 18:14 |
| pupnik | cool. learned something today | 18:14 |
| rene4jazz | what's that? | 18:15 |
| pupnik | ls /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SDK_PC/usr/bin/X* | 18:17 |
| pupnik | /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SDK_PC/usr/bin/Xephyr | 18:17 |
| pupnik | minra@scuttle:~$ ls /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SB_Arm2/usr/bin/X* | 18:18 |
| pupnik | /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SB_Arm2/usr/bin/Xomap | 18:18 |
| rene4jazz | I do have the same "Xomap" file | 18:18 |
| pupnik | looks to me as if you have to also have an i386 target set-up | 18:19 |
| rene4jazz | so, Xephyr comes with x86 booststrap only? | 18:19 |
| pupnik | or maybe get the Xephyr server from somewhere else | 18:19 |
| pupnik | i don't know but it looks like it | 18:19 |
| rene4jazz | interesting | 18:19 |
| rene4jazz | I found the gregale x86 rootstrap in maemo.org | 18:20 |
| rene4jazz | after finishing the download I'll install a x86 target | 18:21 |
| pupnik | i don't know what i'm talking about but maybe Xnest would also work as a local x server | 18:21 |
| pupnik | but yeah ... you know... follow directions :) | 18:21 |
| rene4jazz | do you use Xephyr with the arm target? | 18:22 |
| pupnik | yeah | 18:23 |
| rene4jazz | what script do you execute? | 18:23 |
| pupnik | the start-xephyr.sh script, on the host | 18:23 |
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| pupnik | and that poitns to the xephyr bin in SBOX_PC target | 18:24 |
| pupnik | X is a client/server networked architecture, so the X server runs on the i386 while the arm application runs via qemu | 18:25 |
| pupnik | the X server could run on another PC for that matter | 18:25 |
| rene4jazz | sure | 18:25 |
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| pupnik | so it's strange that your start-xephyr.sh script was set to point to your armel target | 18:26 |
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| lardman | bye chaps | 18:27 |
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| pupnik | cu | 18:27 |
| rene4jazz | if I execute Xephyr on the host it throws a segment fault after starting af-sb-init.sh script | 18:27 |
| kulve | rene4jazz: try starting xterm on that xephyr before the af-sb-init.sh | 18:33 |
| kulve | at some point xephyr segfaulted when the last client exited.. | 18:34 |
| kulve | but, afaik, it should be already fixed long time ago | 18:34 |
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| r- | hello | 18:34 |
| _Monkey | hi, r- | 18:34 |
| r- | hy _Monkey | 18:34 |
| r- | so there's someone alive? this is nice | 18:35 |
| kulve | yeah, a bot | 18:35 |
| r- | oh | 18:35 |
| r- | great | 18:35 |
| r- | :D | 18:35 |
| kulve | :) | 18:35 |
| r- | just got my n800 yesterday. | 18:35 |
| r- | and now i want to throw my blackberry 8830 at a wall. | 18:35 |
| r- | g'damn bluetooth DUN profiles. anyone gotten around this? | 18:35 |
| flip^ | every experience with a blackberry has made me want to throw it at a wall | 18:35 |
| r- | i've loved the 8830 until i got the n800. | 18:36 |
| r- | oh well, one of these days. | 18:37 |
| flip^ | i've never tried to make one talk to a n800 tho, so can't help there i'm afraid | 18:37 |
| r- | what's the best youtube viewer/downloader/converter that actually works for people? | 18:42 |
| r- | videocenter, uktube, etc.. all simply "crash" | 18:42 |
| flip^ | UKTube is apparently very good | 18:42 |
| flip^ | I tend to just use the build in browser mind... does the job ok | 18:42 |
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| flip^ | there's nothing for the n800 that can effectively work with (very basic) word documents, aside from Google Documents, is there? | 18:47 |
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| FireSt0rM | Hey guys. I was wondering if it's possible to run apps like Gizmo and Skype on the Hackers version of the OS-2007 software? | 18:53 |
| pupnik | try it | 18:55 |
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| FireSt0rM | pupnik: I've tried it ;) It doesn't work. I'm wondering if it's my setup, or the hacked OS2007 on Nokia 770 image doesn't support it | 19:23 |
| xeos | Hi everyone | 19:24 |
| r- | hy | 19:25 |
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| pupnik | FireSt0rM: internettablettalk.com forums might have some information. Also setting up multiboot for your mmc pays rich dividends in backup/restore and being able to use both 2006 and 2007he | 19:42 |
| pupnik | multiboot? | 19:42 |
| _Monkey | well, multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card | 19:42 |
| pupnik | hmm need to add the other howto to that | 19:42 |
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| xeos | Finally, I will build emacs without gtk/x support since I cannot get installed any font (It semms omap x server doesn't support), so I will loss posibility of use the stylus. If anyone have an idea in order to it works better, tell me please. | 20:12 |
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| pupnik | xeos: you can build libgpm | 20:24 |
| pupnik | i use it for links2 web browser | 20:24 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/deps/deps.html | 20:26 |
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| xeos | It sounds nice, I don't know that library | 20:27 |
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| pupnik | i don't remember if emacs can use it though | 20:28 |
| xeos | It semms it do | 20:28 |
| xeos | t-mouse.el :) | 20:29 |
| xeos | It said: | 20:29 |
| xeos | Toggle t-mouse mode to use the mouse in Linux consoles. | 20:29 |
| xeos | With prefix arg, turn t-mouse mode on if arg is positive, otherwise turn it | 20:29 |
| xeos | off. | 20:29 |
| xeos | This allows the use of the mouse when operating on a Linux console, in the | 20:29 |
| xeos | same way as you can use the mouse under X11. | 20:29 |
| xeos | It requires the `mev' program, part of the `gpm' utilities. | 20:29 |
| pupnik | there is also a way to install additional fonts | 20:29 |
| pupnik | fonts? | 20:29 |
| _Monkey | fonts are already antialiased, so | 20:29 |
| pupnik | darn -- there's a howto somewhere | 20:30 |
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| pupnik | fonts? | 20:33 |
| _Monkey | fonts are installable by copying .ttf fonts to /usr/share/fonts and then running "fc-cache -f" as root to rebuild system font cache information, then reboot. | 20:33 |
| xeos | but I think emacs22 doesn't support this fonts. It has been added at 23 version | 20:35 |
| pupnik | aah | 20:36 |
| xeos | Emacs works fine, the problem is the font apparers tiny, it is not readable. | 20:38 |
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| xeos | and when I try switch another font, It yields a "not found font" warning | 20:40 |
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| r- | hy | 20:43 |
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| mbuf | to use different maemo development environments (Bora 3.1, 3.2, Chinook 4.0), should we install separate scratchbox environments? if yes, how? | 21:14 |
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| xeos | pupnik: I have seen in your deps list the xfonts-base package. | 21:19 |
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| xeos | but the link is broken | 21:26 |
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| mbuf | i have added "deb file:/home/foo/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 bora explicit" in /etc/apt/sources.list, is that correct for Bora 3.2? apt-get update on the host obviously says "file:/home/foo File not found" | 22:59 |
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| xeos | I have a problem. When init starts esd, it plays a strange sound like `pc speaker', increasing the frecuency. It is like that since I copied my internal flash to mmc. In fact, if I boot from flash I will run successly. Any idea? | 23:14 |
| xeos | (I have installed the XCFE tarball too, perhaps it could something to do) | 23:16 |
| xeos | thanks in advance | 23:16 |
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