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| KungPhoo | uhm... how would the n800 compare to the GP2X, maybe? | 00:21 |
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| pupnik | there are enough games, but it is not a gaming device | 00:22 |
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| alterego | Yeah, it's not really got input's for the kind of games you'd normally play on the GP2X | 00:31 |
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| KungPhoo | enough power, though? | 00:32 |
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| KungPhoo | and how compares the 770 to the n800 in case of speed? | 00:34 |
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| alterego | The N800 seems significantly quicker in my opinion. | 00:36 |
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| KungPhoo | how wide is the display in cm? | 00:45 |
| disq | very. | 00:46 |
| KungPhoo | lol | 00:46 |
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| Juhaz | KungPhoo, it's the same display | 00:47 |
| t_s_o | about that fcc report earlier. did anyone try to get the barcode of the pdf? | 00:47 |
| KungPhoo | I don't have no device, yet | 00:47 |
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| pupnik | 4.5 cm? | 00:48 |
| pupnik | oh no that's inches | 00:48 |
| KungPhoo | that's the 4way dpad? | 00:48 |
| KungPhoo | ah | 00:48 |
| pupnik | i swear i've gotten diagnoals with the pad | 00:49 |
| pupnik | maybe it was a software trick | 00:49 |
| pupnik | if you're going to spend more than 30% of your time on the device wishing you could play platform/action games, then i wouldn't advise it | 00:50 |
| pupnik | but it's definitely a more useful device than a gp2x of course | 00:50 |
| Juhaz | it's about 9x5.5cm | 00:50 |
| KungPhoo | no, just an idea. I am the developer from www.glbasic.com | 00:50 |
| pupnik | oh nice :) | 00:51 |
| pupnik | maybe we'll get gl for the tablets someday | 00:51 |
| KungPhoo | i basically want a high resolution bible reader. The n800 seems perfect, but the software is not, yet | 00:51 |
| KungPhoo | I support PocketPC and GP2X - n800 shouldn't be much of a problem | 00:52 |
| pupnik | ah nice | 00:52 |
| KungPhoo | hard decission | 00:53 |
| KungPhoo | I could get a Bsquare maui phone with 640x480 for the price of an 770 | 00:54 |
| SE-Wilco2 | There is a something labeled a bible reader in Applications list but I haven't tried it. The web browser probably works for local text files, so there are several ways to look at text. | 00:55 |
| KungPhoo | I've seen it. It's very minimalistic so far | 00:55 |
| KungPhoo | on pocketpc I'd get a full featured program | 00:56 |
| KungPhoo | otoh, the display is muuuch smaller and only 640x480 | 00:56 |
| guardian | damn, some people have 24 years of development experience and still cannot read ;) | 00:57 |
| KungPhoo | sure | 00:58 |
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| SE-Wilco2 | What can't I read? Or should I write something so I can read? | 01:06 |
| KungPhoo | read this: äöüöäö"§$%"§%*' | 01:07 |
| SE-Wilco2 | Gesundheit | 01:07 |
| SE-Wilco2 | I read it and it started to rain. | 01:08 |
| * SE-Wilco2 admires KP's typing skill. | 01:08 | |
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| * SE-Wilco2 installs netcat, connects a named pipe to an IP, feeds input from pipe to flite, starts Opera, cuts and pastes KP's text, and the N800 reads it. | 01:09 | |
| KungPhoo | that was my head banging on the KB. I'd better get some sleep ;) | 01:10 |
| pupnik | you forgot to pipe it through 'jive' | 01:10 |
| pupnik | What it is! | 01:10 |
| SE-Wilco2 | KP's KB not OK. | 01:11 |
| SE-Wilco2 | KP's KB not OK and not in OK. | 01:11 |
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| SE-Wilco2 | Ooooooooooooklahoma! Where the wind comes blowing across the KB. | 01:12 |
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| rjt69 | Apparently, the Nokias are not powerful enough for OpenOffice ... so i guess this might not be the place to ask for handwriting capabilities in OO. | 01:51 |
| guardian | what do you mean by handwriting capabilities in OO ? | 01:52 |
| rjt69 | Does anybody have a gauge on optimizations that can be done in OpenOffice compilations to make smaller and faster for Nokia. | 01:52 |
| rjt69 | When you want to handwrite into OpenOffice, you can do it? Handwriting recognition into text. | 01:53 |
| guardian | why can't you ? | 01:53 |
| guardian | i guess the input method is available to open office, although i did not try it on the tablet | 01:53 |
| ds2 | what about a graffiti1 type input method for maemo? | 01:53 |
| mikem23 | oo.org is so bloated now, I doubt you could make it fit on the nokia | 01:54 |
| rjt69 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-09-25.log.html#t2007-09-25T21:07:26 seems to indicate OpenOffice is too big. Discussion recommends AbiWord. | 01:54 |
| rjt69 | i don't have a Nokia at the moment so i don't know what is capable / not capable. | 01:54 |
| guardian | ds2: what about natural handwriting recognition instead ? :) | 01:55 |
| ds2 | guardian: is there one that works well even on a desktop class CPU? | 01:55 |
| guardian | sure | 01:56 |
| ds2 | name/link? | 01:56 |
| rjt69 | i have noticed EmperorLinux touts handwriting recognition, i wonder if OneLaptopPerChild does too. | 01:56 |
| guardian | i'm coding it :) | 01:56 |
| rjt69 | Guardian, do you have a website for your project? | 01:57 |
| guardian | no | 01:57 |
| guardian | nite, ++ | 01:59 |
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| t_s_o | why is it that the internal mail reader in os2006 turns & into "? | 03:41 |
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| Agogo | Gh | 04:47 |
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| unique311 | i've mastered very easy sudoku... | 04:59 |
| unique311 | time for easy | 04:59 |
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| unique311 | guess its an accomplishment for me to be proud of only. | 05:01 |
| unique311 | no congratulations. | 05:02 |
| SEWilco | 3+1+1 = 5 with dupes. That's no Sudoku. | 05:02 |
| unique311 | whats sudoku then? | 05:03 |
| SEWilco | I was making a joke about the numbers needed for a Sudoku. | 05:04 |
| unique311 | ok. | 05:05 |
| unique311 | i was one to watch people on the trains going to work playing sudoku, and was like wtf is so interesting about the game. | 05:06 |
| unique311 | i got bit by the bug. | 05:06 |
| unique311 | at least i gave up solitaire. | 05:06 |
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| unique311 | question, wimax...a new N800 will hit the shelves because of wimax. | 05:07 |
| unique311 | now for the older n800 will they some sort of piece that users can buy for this wimax | 05:09 |
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| SEWilco | Hmm. I got a larger SD card, and I want to eject my "external" SD card. I have no swap on it and I umounted it. I seem to have to "eject" command in busybox. Is there anything I should do before pulling the card? | 05:11 |
| unique311 | when you open the rubber piece | 05:11 |
| unique311 | it umounts the card | 05:11 |
| unique311 | sensors | 05:12 |
| unique311 | same thing happens with the back cover | 05:12 |
| SEWilco | Oh. That would make a GPS SD device awkward to try. | 05:12 |
| unique311 | not sure if it umounts...but you can no longer access the card. | 05:12 |
| SEWilco | Fingernails, don't fail me now. | 05:12 |
| unique311 | yes | 05:12 |
| unique311 | i guess you can look for the sensor, and try to push it down.. | 05:13 |
| unique311 | if you can close the cover after you insert your gps SD. should word.. | 05:16 |
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| unique311 | so you think nokia is going to look out for the older N800 users, and hopefully have it where the older N800 can do wimax? | 05:17 |
| SEWilco | Card mounted OK. Hmm. Doesn't want to put swap on it, and doesn't know about internal card. Must be confused by root-mounted internal. I'll try manually configuring swap on the internal card. | 05:18 |
| dolske | unique311: I don't see why they would, nor would I expect it. Software's one thing, major hardware changes to a platform that's basically not expandable is something else. | 05:19 |
| SEWilco | People are already amazed at the N800 WiFi range. I'm sure the components are too integrated in the device for upgrading. Any phones with wimax which can do WiFi to an N800? | 05:22 |
| unique311 | the usb port....sony psp has lots of peripherals for that type of usb female port. Mean to tell me thats a major hardware change to make a device that you can plug into the usb port. but then again, video chat was one of the reasons i brought the N800 and they are having issues with that. | 05:23 |
| unique311 | http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/psp_camera.jpg psp camera | 05:24 |
| unique311 | http://www.hizone.info/data/2004/05/13/images/sony-psp-keyboard.jpg psp keyboard | 05:24 |
| unique311 | http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2006/8/psp-gps.jpg psp gps reciever | 05:25 |
| unique311 | thats actually cool, wonder if that can work with the n800 ^^ | 05:26 |
| SEWilco | Does the N800 USB port need external power? | 05:26 |
| dolske | Did Nokia ever say the N800's usb was for using it as a host? | 05:27 |
| unique311 | Not sure, did they? | 05:28 |
| dolske | afaik, no. Not that it doesn't suck. :-) | 05:28 |
| unique311 | most likely didn't say it about the 770 neither.. | 05:29 |
| SEWilco | Nice idea, that PSP screw next to the USB port to hold stuff in place. Let's see... if I remove the stand connector there's a solid hole there for a mod... | 05:29 |
| unique311 | it won't make the distance. | 05:29 |
| unique311 | and dolske is right.. | 05:29 |
| unique311 | about the host thing. | 05:29 |
| SEWilco | Oh, simpler. I drill a hole in the stand connector for a screw mount, and machine the stand to make a hole for access to the USB port. | 05:30 |
| SEWilco | Does dolske's no mean "no it does not need external power" or "no it does need external power"? | 05:31 |
| * dolske tosses a roll of duct tape at SEWilco | 05:31 | |
| * SEWilco fends it off with his roll of aluminum tape | 05:31 | |
| unique311 | no nokia did make the usb port for use as host. | 05:31 |
| unique311 | yes it needs external power...with the hack thats out.. | 05:31 |
| unique311 | google usb host n800 should give hits | 05:32 |
| SEWilco | Maybe I need a fatter back for more battery power then. That's fine, I could mount USB devices on a custom back panel anyway. | 05:32 |
| dolske | well, the point I was making was that unless Nokia said/implied that the USB port was for host mode operation, it's hard to expect them to support future expansion through it. | 05:32 |
| unique311 | i know. | 05:33 |
| dolske | that the hardware actually supports it (sort of) but is disabled is another issue. :) | 05:33 |
| SEWilco | Simple way to mount USB stuff is velcro to the back, with a thin USB cable under the desk stand or through a slot cut in the stand. | 05:33 |
| SEWilco | The PSP's USB GPS is cute, but I think I'll use a BT one. They're cheap enough, and one with logging will let me take GPS readings without using N800 battery (such as when walking and taking pictures with camera). | 05:36 |
| unique311 | forgot my ebay account | 05:38 |
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| SEWilco | What are "Level 1" sounds different from "Level 2"? | 05:40 |
| SEWilco | s/What/How/ | 05:40 |
| infobot | SEWilco meant: How are "Level 1" sounds different from "Level 2"? | 05:40 |
| SEWilco | Google finds an odd assortment for "N800 "level 2" sounds" but nothing relevant. | 05:42 |
| * SEWilco enables Level 2 sounds and hopes nothing sounds like a bear. | 05:44 | |
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| Hviid | Hi can somebody help me, I'm very new at this, but I've got a Nokia N800, and I would like it to execute a file at startup, which file should I set that up in? | 09:48 |
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| Hviid | t | 09:53 |
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| Hviid | Does anybody know? | 09:59 |
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| shadov | I haven't tried it myself, but I'd start by gaining root and then looking into init scripts | 10:02 |
| dorto | if there is /etc/.profile on N800, it should be executed at start-up | 10:04 |
| Hviid | thx, I'll look at that, when I get home :D | 10:06 |
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| pupnik | "I notice the external photos only have a 45 day confidentiality, so perhaps we will see some official pictures some time in November." | 10:13 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:01 |
| Jaffa | So, lots of exciting discussion about the RX-44 last night? | 11:01 |
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| pupnik | not that i saw | 11:11 |
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| pupnik | just 1 mention and a link | 11:11 |
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| pupnik | Also now the [B]*dpad center button no longer pauses the game*[/B], which was hugely annoying. | 11:32 |
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| pupnik | new Kobo Deluxe build - now with 3% less /suck/. | 11:37 |
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| henno | what is the easiest way to get root on os2007he? | 11:54 |
| dpb_ | probably the same as normal os2007 | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | i.e. install becomeroot | 11:55 |
| onion | henno: install ssh c/s and ssh root@localhost | 11:56 |
| inz | I prefer the R&D ;) | 11:56 |
| henno | what is the benefit of the R&D? | 11:56 |
| inz | You can then use sudo gainroot ;) | 11:57 |
| inz | But it's just because it survives a reflash and I reflash quite often | 11:57 |
| henno | sounds good to me | 11:57 |
| henno | i plan on reflashing often, for it I don't break it, I'll never learn a thing :) | 11:58 |
| henno | s/it/if/ | 11:59 |
| infobot | henno meant: i plan on reflashing often, for if I don't break it, I'll never learn a thing :) | 11:59 |
| inz | r&d -mode is enabled with the flasher tool | 12:00 |
| inz | For getting root, it is enough to just enable it | 12:00 |
| inz | It's also easier to start up the device when it is in r&d -mode ;) | 12:01 |
| henno | hmm where can I get e2fsprogs for os2007he | 12:05 |
| henno | trying to clone the os to my new MMC | 12:05 |
| inz | henno, deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free | 12:07 |
| henno | cheers | 12:08 |
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| guardian | morning | 12:17 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 12:17 |
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| lardman | no idle speculation about RX-44? | 12:42 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Other than there have been photos of it from june? | 12:45 |
| lardman | I was thinking this: http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/third-nokia-internet-tablet-hits-fcc.html | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but RX-44 has been spotted in june already? Just a N800? | 12:47 |
| lardman | Well that was an N800 (RX-34 iirc) running software marked as being for an RX-44 if you look at the photo | 12:47 |
| lardman | http://bp3.blogger.com/_YOkWwbhy4YI/RlXCFbQvi0I/AAAAAAAAABE/16nzjZZq0CM/s1600-h/DSC00640.jpg | 12:47 |
| lardman | I don't know where the boot screen gets its "product" string from | 12:48 |
| lardman | might just be wishful thinking on my part though | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | Heh. :) | 12:51 |
| lardman | How long before the N800/770 releases were the FCC documents filed? | 12:54 |
| pupnik | ITOS finds icons/menu entries for apps that don't install menu entries, after several hours | 12:57 |
| henno | um.. what? | 12:58 |
| henno | and how | 12:58 |
| pupnik | i don't know - i install the apps | 12:58 |
| pupnik | no menu entry appears | 12:58 |
| pupnik | a few hours later a menu entry is there | 12:59 |
| * henno queues 'twilight zone' music | 12:59 | |
| henno | that sounds ever so strange | 12:59 |
| lardman | what kind of apps are these? | 13:00 |
| pupnik | apps not properly maemoized | 13:00 |
| pupnik | dosbox, knot's player, the mana world, pingus, gqview | 13:00 |
| lardman | perhaps it has a metacrawler-lookfornewbutbadlyconstructedapps daemon too | 13:00 |
| pupnik | yeah it's funny | 13:01 |
| henno | lardman: haha | 13:01 |
| pupnik | it installs these menu items which do nothing | 13:01 |
| lardman | strange, because it must recognise something about them, otherwise all the binaries in /usr/bin would have links created for them | 13:01 |
| henno | pupnik: you sure there are no stray *.desktop files or something ending up in some obscure directory somewhere that perhaps is not parsed by ITOS for some time? | 13:02 |
| pupnik | eyah its probebaly desktop files | 13:02 |
| pupnik | i dunno - it's just funny | 13:02 |
| henno | sure sounds like it | 13:03 |
| lardman | well that's odd too, as you'd have thought some kind of "update-start-menu" script would be run straight after the app manager is closed | 13:03 |
| henno | i am no maemo expert by a long shot, but usually there are menu entries, or there are not. None of this disappearing-reappearing stuff | 13:03 |
| lardman | unless you installed some of them from the command line, perhaps that doesn't trigger the start menu update | 13:03 |
| pupnik | ah y-- dpkg -i | 13:06 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xu4_onscreenctls5.png /me tries to imagine playing with those buttzons with thumb - too small on 770/N800 screen? i think i can hit em | 13:09 |
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| lardman | whittle your thumb down ;) | 13:10 |
| henno | pupnik: are you running os2006 or os2007? | 13:10 |
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| pupnik | 2006se | 13:11 |
| * henno nods | 13:11 | |
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| pupnik | old habits die hard -- i use gqview on the tablet :) | 13:12 |
| toed | what's 2006se? | 13:14 |
| pupnik | a os | 13:17 |
| toed | but it's different from 2006? | 13:18 |
| pupnik | nah it's just the 2nd release of 2006 | 13:19 |
| henno | [s]econd [e]dition? | 13:19 |
| toed | so it's probably the thing that was already on my 770? | 13:20 |
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| lardman | urgh, got to go to the dentist, see you all later on | 13:27 |
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| pupnik | yes toed | 13:27 |
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| henno | good stuff, new 2gb mmc arrived today, cloned the OS and all is well.. time to fill that sucker up | 13:28 |
| Big_B | good morning .~(ugt) | 13:29 |
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| pupnik | hi | 13:29 |
| _Monkey | hi, pupnik | 13:29 |
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| pupnik | i'm so psyched about the streaming transcoding video archive player | 13:30 |
| pupnik | http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/knots | 13:30 |
| Big_B | Pupnik : Actually i need some brief help as i m newbie . Would you like to help me ? | 13:31 |
| pupnik | how is your program coming along Big_B ? | 13:32 |
| Big_B | please tell me how can i build a deb package (from very beginning). pls | 13:33 |
| henno | yikes | 13:35 |
| pupnik | the funniest part is Big_B is getting paid to work on this | 13:36 |
| henno | that would make you a subcontractor then pupnik | 13:36 |
| henno | :) | 13:36 |
| pupnik | no offense, Big_B | 13:37 |
| Big_B | what ? i cant understand pupnik. | 13:37 |
| pupnik | use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b to build packages | 13:37 |
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| pupnik | i think -nc option will prevent the script from running 'make clean' - in case you only change a few files | 13:38 |
| Big_B | pupnik : i am a university student . and this is my project. | 13:38 |
| pupnik | ok sorry | 13:38 |
| pupnik | i have to make proper packages also | 13:39 |
| pupnik | just avoiding it | 13:39 |
| Big_B | no problem . You r helping me that is a great thing for me | 13:40 |
| henno | I think a scratchbox is the way to go, but for me, installing debian is not worth the hassle at this point | 13:40 |
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| kulve | SB doesn't need debian | 13:49 |
| kulve | and on windows it can be run in vmware (afaik) | 13:50 |
| henno | kulve: I realise that, but I run arch linux, and it has proven to be a darn pain to get working | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | Interesting point about the RX-44: the FCC filing tests would seem to be against a semi-normal IT OS 2007 build | 13:51 |
| henno | I could of course install vmware, and load the image that is floating around the torrent trackers, but meh | 13:51 |
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| guardian | i installed scratchbox using the script provided on repository.maemo.org when i installed bora 3.1 sdk | 15:26 |
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| guardian | now that i want to give chinook a test, do i need to upgrade scratchbox ? | 15:26 |
| guardian | i'm worried upgrading scrachtbox might break my existing dev setup, and i would like to code for both 3.2 and 4.0 | 15:27 |
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| pupnik__ | how about this one? http://pupnik.de/xu4_onscreenctls7greywood1_sm.png | 15:44 |
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| alterego | Oh this is frustrating .. | 16:36 |
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| pupnik | U failing at something? | 16:37 |
| alterego | ruby-gnome2 isn't compiling anymore. | 16:38 |
| alterego | Seems it thinks there's a problem with the pango headers. | 16:38 |
| pupnik | :/ | 16:38 |
| pupnik | thank you for the ruby work you did | 16:38 |
| alterego | I've reinstalled my SDK rootstrap .. | 16:38 |
| pupnik | it is really exciting stuff imo | 16:38 |
| alterego | Yes, I think so too :) | 16:39 |
| pupnik | herh | 16:39 |
| alterego | I've reinstalled bora 3.1 about twice now .. | 16:39 |
| alterego | Actually, four times .. | 16:39 |
| pupnik | describe your problem and maybe later someone or I will have an idea | 16:40 |
| alterego | invalid application of 'sizeof' to incomplete type :/ | 16:40 |
| alterego | I'm investigating it now. | 16:40 |
| pupnik | i recall that | 16:41 |
| pupnik | seeing that | 16:41 |
| alterego | It's strange. It all worked fine before. Why, after I reinstalled my system and scratchbox/SDK has it decided it didn't want to work. | 16:41 |
| alterego | I'll attempt to google it then. | 16:41 |
| pupnik | yah | 16:42 |
| pupnik | cheers | 16:42 |
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| alterego | I found a page in Japenese that seems to have exactly the same problem ^_^ | 16:44 |
| alterego | Thank god for google translator ^_^ | 16:44 |
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| thefull | Hello, please, exists SDK 2.0 Maemo Live CD ? | 17:45 |
| thefull | I have version 1.0 but i think is old .... | 17:45 |
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| trevarthan | sparr: you tried the new kagu volume widget yet? | 18:01 |
| disq | kagu? what's kagu? (let's make an educational video? :P ) | 18:04 |
| dorto | thefull, the live cd is still for 1.1 only I guess | 18:05 |
| dorto | how to install the volume widget in kagu? | 18:05 |
| thefull | yes dorto... | 18:06 |
| thefull | but 1.1 is old.. | 18:06 |
| thefull | Interent create one Live CD for platform 2.0 SDK. | 18:07 |
| dorto | is it? I don't know of a live cd for 2.0 version. where is it? | 18:07 |
| dorto | the latest is 0.5.1a and it contains maemo 1.1 : http://cdprojekte.mattiasschlenker.de/Public/Maemo_Live/0.5a/ | 18:08 |
| thefull | Yes, i think not exist live cd for 2.0.... | 18:09 |
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| thefull | I'd like exists live Cd 2.0. Why not maemo plattform create new Live CD ? | 18:10 |
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| ||cw | there's a vmware appliance for it though right? | 18:14 |
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| ||cw | I'd rather have a vm than a live cd any day | 18:14 |
| gw280 | how can I get gtk_paint_box to render a push button in the Hildon style? | 18:17 |
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| dorto | where is the vmware image of latest maemo sdk image? | 18:25 |
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| Blacksitox | hi :D | 18:45 |
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| alterego | Grrrr .. | 18:52 |
| ||cw | dolske: google maemo vmware appliance | 18:55 |
| ||cw | it's on the garage site I think | 18:55 |
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| saaib | henno, what brand is the mmc card you get? | 18:56 |
| [31d1] | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Vers | 18:59 |
| [31d1] | ion=../../../../../../../../../usr/local/apache/conf/ssl.key/www.adobe.com.key%00 | 18:59 |
| [31d1] | oops | 18:59 |
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| alterego | Well .. I've fixed it but I don't know if it's a good fix :/ | 19:01 |
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| alterego | Woo .. | 19:09 |
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| * alterego can finally start doing some proper development ^_^ | 19:09 | |
| alterego | Okay .. My SDK is severly broken. | 19:13 |
| * SE-Wilco2 kisses the SDK on its owie. | 19:14 | |
| SE-Wilco2 | Better now? | 19:14 |
| alterego | No | 19:14 |
| alterego | I'm getting a segfault when I attempt to start the desktop. | 19:14 |
| * alterego install 2.2 | 19:15 | |
| SE-Wilco2 | Cranky when waking up, probably a lumpy bed. Dependency problem likely. | 19:16 |
| alterego | I've been following the instructions to the letter on installing the SDK's | 19:17 |
| * SE-Wilco2 tucks the SDK back in bed and shooes alterego off to tidy up the place before waking it again. | 19:17 | |
| alterego | Unless this is a problem with pre maemo 4.0 and the latest scratchbox. | 19:17 |
| SE-Wilco2 | Maybe it was compiled for something different than what you're running. I hate when that happens. | 19:17 |
| alterego | That's the only difference between the setup I had previously. | 19:17 |
| SE-Wilco2 | Nobody else is speaking up so those who are present aren't recognizing anything specific. | 19:18 |
| SE-Wilco2 | And I'm still at the stage of cramming stuff in my new N800 so haven't tried installing dev tools yet. | 19:20 |
| alterego | :) | 19:20 |
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| konttori | is there already a vmware image of chinook sdk? | 19:40 |
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| * |R is waiting for his new N800 to arrive ... | 19:59 | |
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| flip^ | is there any way to make applications launch in fullscreen mode? | 20:22 |
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| [31d1] | if you can run kde on 770/800 why can't you set up a boot that just runs a kernel and a (real) web browser | 20:24 |
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| Troseph | It's possible, but good luck with that one. | 20:24 |
| [31d1] | just wondering if that would be a way to get a newer version of flash or anything | 20:25 |
| Troseph | Ubuntu Mobile looks promising for the 770/800 it should be out in October | 20:25 |
| [31d1] | hmm | 20:26 |
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| bedboi | Troseph: are you serious?? | 20:26 |
| Troseph | And I've heard of Poky linux having a full browser. | 20:26 |
| Troseph | bedboi: yeah | 20:27 |
| bedboi | cool | 20:27 |
| Troseph | what the 770 needs is Damn Small Linux | 20:27 |
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| lnx^ | heya, anyone know much about the rtcomm beta? | 20:28 |
| lnx^ | i got SIP working with it just fine a couple of weeks ago. then it suddenly stopped working | 20:29 |
| lnx^ | now i just get 'network error' for SIP - the network is fine, and the same SIP username/pw works fine on my laptop | 20:29 |
| lnx^ | any ideas how i could debug it? | 20:29 |
| gla55_ | [31d1]: flash is closed source so dunno how that would help with that | 20:31 |
| gw280 | lnx^: are you the lnx from #cl? | 20:32 |
| lnx^ | oh, hello! yeah i am | 20:32 |
| gw280 | ah | 20:32 |
| lnx^ | now, what are you doing here? are you a developer or user? | 20:32 |
| gw280 | developer, sort of | 20:33 |
| lnx^ | that's cool. i've been hacking kagu the media player a bit too, but not very much... | 20:35 |
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| SE-Wilco2 | Slashdot links to a story of Linux on cell phones. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/26/1248210 | 20:57 |
| gla55_ | same kind of stories have popped up for the past few years.. | 20:59 |
| lnx^ | the SIP server even sends back "SIP/2.0 200 OK" to the client after registration, but the strace of the rcomm SIP client throws this: "recvmsg(309761, {msg_name(237240)={sa_family=0x20 /* AF_??? */, sa_data="\0\0\240\360\r@\250\360\r@\3\0\0\0"}, msg_iov(236600)=[ptrace: umoven: Input/output error". any idea what could be the problem? | 21:00 |
| pupnik | first one was... what... motorola * 570 or something | 21:00 |
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| pupnik | wb AD-N770 | 21:02 |
| gla55_ | the motos are insignificant.. | 21:02 |
| AD-N770 | hi pupnik | 21:02 |
| gla55_ | the more popular motorolas that run that linux+java thing of motos don't expose linux at all | 21:02 |
| pupnik | yes this is what i have read | 21:03 |
| pupnik | dead-in-the-water devices as far as community goes | 21:03 |
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| gla55_ | basically the whole article could be from 2 years back | 21:04 |
| gla55_ | nothing has really changed that much in that time with mobile linux as "crashing the mobile party" | 21:05 |
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| lnx^ | my whole n800 SIP strace is available at http://pastebin.com/m6fd81963 if anyone has time to look into the problem | 21:07 |
| pupnik | to even begin to 'crash the party', a vendor has to do a lot of support for a lot of libraries to make porting things easy | 21:09 |
| pupnik | i think it was very cool nokia even included sdl | 21:10 |
| pupnik | certainly wasn't part of the target platform | 21:10 |
| pupnik | s/platform/market | 21:10 |
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| guardian | good evening here | 21:34 |
| pupnik | hi guardian | 21:34 |
| pupnik | what is interesting to you today? | 21:36 |
| pupnik | i think the most exciting new thing for nokia is knots | 21:38 |
| edistar | pupnik: what is knots? ;) | 21:40 |
| pupnik | setting up myth server is too ugly for me, but knots server is simple | 21:40 |
| pupnik | well it is a ruby application that is middleware between vlc and nokia+mplayer | 21:40 |
| pupnik | so it is very simple to define your directories of videos on pc | 21:40 |
| guardian | sounds nifty | 21:41 |
| pupnik | then click on them and see them transcoded to 400x240 on mplayer on nokia | 21:41 |
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| [31d1] | ooo | 21:41 |
| [31d1] | knots | 21:41 |
| [31d1] | knots++ | 21:41 |
| pupnik | and you don't need something big and nasty like mythtv on the pc | 21:42 |
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| solmumaha | haha | 21:43 |
| * solmumaha blushes | 21:43 | |
| solmumaha | pupnik: did you try the latest version? | 21:43 |
| pupnik | no | 21:43 |
| pupnik | i will sometime but it is 'perfect' now... so... | 21:44 |
| solmumaha | added server auto discovery so client needs no configuring | 21:44 |
| pupnik | nice | 21:44 |
| pupnik | how the heck ... | 21:45 |
| [31d1] | link pls | 21:45 |
| pupnik | you must need to enter the ip though, no? | 21:45 |
| solmumaha | nope | 21:45 |
| pupnik | http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/knots | 21:45 |
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| pupnik | wb zottd! | 21:46 |
| pupnik | i should have asked if i could paste that link, sorry | 21:46 |
| solmumaha | np | 21:47 |
| solmumaha | hope someone finds use for it | 21:47 |
| pupnik | the vlc part will be the biggest issue for most people i think | 21:48 |
| solmumaha | yes, hope they release 0.9.0 soon | 21:48 |
| pupnik | but eventually vlc will catch up to knots | 21:48 |
| pupnik | i showed knots to my mom last night | 21:48 |
| solmumaha | it's very easy to setup on os x | 21:48 |
| pupnik | she could not begin to grasp the awesomeness | 21:49 |
| solmumaha | haha | 21:49 |
| solmumaha | 2 fans then | 21:49 |
| pupnik | she never has touched a computer - just the nokia | 21:49 |
| pupnik | it is very non-threatening | 21:49 |
| pupnik | eventually i will cache her favorite tv channels to HDD, wich show indexes | 21:50 |
| [31d1] | wow that is ***** awesome | 21:50 |
| pupnik | so she can click on the channel, then the program she wanes (within the last 2-3 weeks) | 21:51 |
| solmumaha | would be nice if someone with bsd or linux and dvb card could test it | 21:51 |
| [31d1] | dvb card? | 21:51 |
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| solmumaha | digital television card | 21:51 |
| [31d1] | o | 21:51 |
| pupnik | for live tv | 21:51 |
| pupnik | for me the stored video is more important | 21:52 |
| [31d1] | i'm gonna run it on lunix when i get home, but just for divx and stuff | 21:52 |
| solmumaha | k, tell me how it works | 21:52 |
| solmumaha | remember to get 0.9.0 vlc, others won't work anymore | 21:53 |
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| [31d1] | is there a debian repo that has 0.90? | 21:54 |
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| solmumaha | yes | 21:55 |
| solmumaha | http://nightlies.videolan.org/#debian | 21:55 |
| [31d1] | sweet thanks | 21:55 |
| solmumaha | but it had issues with codecs, pupnik can fill you in on the details | 21:55 |
| solmumaha | need to change mp3 to mp2 in the config at least | 21:56 |
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| [31d1] | hm | 21:57 |
| alterego | I wonder if gutting a piece of code to stop a compiler error could be deemed as a fix. | 21:58 |
| pupnik | it all depends on your distro | 21:59 |
| alterego | If I really want to fix this I've got a lot of source code to read O_O | 21:59 |
| pupnik | and what encoders your ffmpeg supports | 21:59 |
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| pupnik | alterego: what sucks is, i remember seeing that error, and i don't remember what i did to fix | 22:00 |
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| [31d1] | well i have 770-encode.pl working ok | 22:00 |
| [31d1] | hopefully its all the same codecs | 22:00 |
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| alterego | I think the problem is pkg-config or the pango deb. | 22:00 |
| pupnik | [31d1]: what is your os | 22:01 |
| pupnik | your OS on the box with your videos | 22:01 |
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| Gopi_ | Did I just come and go...? | 22:04 |
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| Gopi_ | Hmm. My nick implies that. Colloquy on the iphone doesn't give much feedbacj | 22:05 |
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| [31d1] | debian testing | 22:06 |
| [31d1] | i don't see vlc 0.90 on there | 22:07 |
| [31d1] | just 0.89 | 22:07 |
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| [31d1] | hmm, there is 0.90 in ubuntu feisty | 22:09 |
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| alterego | It looks like the problem is it's not detecting that pango_layout_iter_get_type() is defined. | 22:11 |
| alterego | So it's redefining it with buggy code. | 22:11 |
| alterego | Aha .. | 22:13 |
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| alterego | I definitely think I'm on to something now .. | 22:16 |
| alterego | That's interesting .. | 22:18 |
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| [31d1] | :( | 22:30 |
| alterego | Yes, that's the kind of face I'm pulling now :/ | 22:30 |
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| killfill | hi! | 22:43 |
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| killfill | dates is asking for evolution-data-server... | 22:47 |
| killfill | where do i get that?.. | 22:47 |
| killfill | or its obsolete? | 22:47 |
| [31d1] | im sad face due to being too dumb to figure out how to get vlc 0.9.0 on debian lenny | 22:48 |
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| killfill | it looks like the proyect is death= | 22:51 |
| killfill | ? | 22:51 |
| killfill | date's svn last commit is from 2 months ago.. :S | 22:51 |
| killfill | hm.. there is a jana branch.. | 22:52 |
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| solmumaha | [31d1]: http://www.jbkempf.com/blog/post/2007/05/06/Build-VLC-media-player-under-Ubuntu-Feisty-704 <- that could work with debian if you are willing to compile it yourself | 22:57 |
| cosmo | has anyone tried bluetooth serial adapters with maemo devices? | 22:57 |
| solmumaha | you can make 0.8.6c work too but without seeking etc and you would have to comment out few lines from the client | 22:59 |
| alterego | This problem is like something out of "Alice in Wonderland" | 22:59 |
| [31d1] | hmm | 23:01 |
| solmumaha | 3 | 23:03 |
| solmumaha | ignore that if you can | 23:03 |
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| killfill | dates: Depends: libecal (>= 1.4.2.1.r554) but it is not going to be installed | 23:13 |
| killfill | :S | 23:13 |
| killfill | Depends: evolution-data-server-calendar (>= 1.4.2.1.r554) but it is not going to be installed | 23:13 |
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| killfill | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=77095 | 23:14 |
| killfill | :S | 23:14 |
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| alterego | Oh my god. | 23:24 |
| alterego | Why are the worst problems always the most simple? | 23:24 |
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| Tb0n3 | wow, they keep nicks registered a long time on this server, must have been a year | 23:37 |
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| Tb0n3 | anyhow, I just purchased a Nokia 770, any suggestions on what to put on it when I get it? any things to watch out for or tips and tricks for a new user? | 23:38 |
| killfill | install kagu | 23:38 |
| killfill | ;) | 23:38 |
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| Tb0n3 | so, music player, will it do videos? | 23:39 |
| killfill | no | 23:39 |
| killfill | canola can tho | 23:40 |
| Tb0n3 | which is better for music, kagu? | 23:40 |
| Tb0n3 | cause I've got me some flacs of mozart and beethoven | 23:41 |
| Tb0n3 | and does the 770 only support OS 2006? | 23:42 |
| killfill | no idea.. got a n800 | 23:42 |
| killfill | kagu is quite nice.. i install it last week end.. | 23:42 |
| killfill | its iphone-ish | 23:43 |
| killfill | test boths.. canola is very good.. | 23:43 |
| killfill | i use it actually.. stream music from my pc to it | 23:43 |
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| Tb0n3 | can't wait for it | 23:45 |
| Tb0n3 | :) | 23:45 |
| killfill | wow.. just testes out expedite.. canno wait for an application to use thie efl stuff... | 23:46 |
| Tb0n3 | testes? | 23:46 |
| Tb0n3 | isn't that another word for testicles? | 23:46 |
| Tb0n3 | english isn't your first language, is it killfill | 23:46 |
| Tb0n3 | ;) | 23:47 |
| Tb0n3 | oooo | 23:47 |
| Tb0n3 | and go | 23:47 |
| Tb0n3 | :D | 23:47 |
| Tb0n3 | Go* | 23:48 |
| killfill | hehe | 23:48 |
| killfill | nope.. | 23:48 |
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| Tb0n3 | GNU Go will be good if I start to learn | 23:48 |
| t_s_o | ugh, while i love the umpc news on umpcportal, the editors continual hammering of arm is getting annoying... | 23:48 |
| Tb0n3 | also a good bragging point to a friend | 23:48 |
| Tb0n3 | is it a video? | 23:48 |
| Tb0n3 | and I heard you can access cli pretty easily | 23:49 |
| Tb0n3 | I'm familiar with debian myself and would love that | 23:49 |
| alterego | t_s_o, maybe you should mention to him that if he has a mobile phone and pretty much every mobile phone he's owned. Not to mention routers, wireless AP's. They're mostly powered by ARM. | 23:51 |
| alterego | Tb0n3, yeah, just install XTerm | 23:51 |
| alterego | Tb0n3, getting root is a little harder, but well worth it ;) | 23:52 |
| Tb0n3 | ARM architecture is da shi | 23:52 |
| Tb0n3 | RISC ftw | 23:52 |
| alterego | :) | 23:52 |
| alterego | I'm a big ARM fan. | 23:53 |
| t_s_o | he is aware of it, thats the sad thing. he just goes on hammering about the FIE (full internet experience) and it being based on support of flash and java plugins in the browsers, and the ability to handle ajax based webpages with equal ease to a desktop pc | 23:53 |
| Tb0n3 | so, does it have aptitude? | 23:53 |
| Tb0n3 | what about power consumption? | 23:53 |
| t_s_o | and that the only thing that can deliver that is wintel | 23:53 |
| alterego | Admitedly JS and Flash aren't that well supported. But Java? Does he even know ARM architecture? :) | 23:53 |
| alterego | I'd imagine with better floating point Flash would run okay on an ARM platform. | 23:53 |
| sp3000 | armhammertime! | 23:54 |
| sp3000 | </random> | 23:54 |
| alterego | I hate flash anyhow :) | 23:54 |
| t_s_o | there is a thread about java on internettablettalk now | 23:54 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 23:54 |
| Tb0n3 | does the 770 support IT2007? and would it make a big difference? | 23:54 |
| flip^ | there's a hackers edition | 23:54 |
| killfill | damn.. all i want is have some time and play with python-elf.. :P | 23:54 |
| flip^ | that's the only way of getting 2007 onto a 770 | 23:55 |
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| alterego | Tb0n3, it's not that much of a big difference. But yes, you can install the hacker edition | 23:55 |
| t_s_o | your not alone alterego, never liked it. so i hope the opera suggestion for html5 gets the green light ;) | 23:55 |
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| t_s_o | native media tags based on ogg! | 23:55 |
| flip^ | there're a few things in the hacker edition that don't quite work the same... it's on maemo.org if you want to hunt for it | 23:55 |
| Tb0n3 | I would have loved to get a Sharp SL-C3200 but that was too expensive | 23:55 |
| alterego | I dunno, Flash will be around as long as kids learn to build flashy websites. | 23:55 |
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| Tb0n3 | and I'll be sure to love the screen on the 770 | 23:55 |
| t_s_o | but i wonder why falsh video crawls inside the browsers, as they fly when loaded directly into mplayer localy | 23:55 |
| alterego | It varies. | 23:56 |
| Tb0n3 | probably depends on what the browser uses to display it | 23:56 |
| killfill | hey.. anyone uses gpe calendar? | 23:56 |
| Tb0n3 | browser uses flash 9, mplayer uses itself | 23:56 |
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| killfill | can i sync google-caneldar with it?Â.. or a ical? can do it with nokia n65.. | 23:57 |
| t_s_o | i think it can do google, there should be a thread somewhere. ical, maybe if opensync can be shoehorned into it, but that requires some terminal work iirc | 23:58 |
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