| iball | pupnik, see if you can work an on-screen keyboard in there as well | 00:01 |
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| Molagi | doesnt seem to work on n800 | 00:02 |
| * flip^ needs to find more cool stuff for his n800 | 00:04 | |
| flip^ | (where cool can also mean geeky) | 00:04 |
| pupnik | iball: i can't get to in-game | 00:06 |
| pupnik | flip^: yes almost everything i build works fine on N800 - but you need to install them from the command line | 00:06 |
| pupnik | as things mature, to stable, i'll get native N800 builds finished, with one-click install etc. | 00:07 |
| pupnik | but that is probably early 2008 | 00:07 |
| flip^ | smw seemed to install ok, though i'm yet to launch it | 00:07 |
| flip^ | i presume it'll need launching from the command line) | 00:07 |
| pupnik | load-applet-run? | 00:08 |
| _Monkey | load-applet-run is, like, John Costigan's awesome toolbar applet to monitor cpu and launch programs: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/ | 00:08 |
| pupnik | osso-statusbar-cpu? | 00:08 |
| _Monkey | somebody said osso-statusbar-cpu was at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu | 00:08 |
| pupnik | those will let you run 'command line' games from a shortcut | 00:08 |
| pupnik | i apologise for not dealing with the maemoization - i'm just doing this for fun you know | 00:08 |
| * flip^ nods... i have one of them installed, but have yet to actually use its commands thing.. it's just useful to see when i've broken something and got something hogging cpu atm | 00:08 | |
| pupnik | heh | 00:08 |
| flip^ | once i work out scratchbox, i'll have a bit of a poke around for fun too, but i've not worked out how to add users to it yet to actually run it (only installed it on my box half an hour ago) | 00:09 |
| pupnik | where's ssvb when ya need him... he got allegro libs built and i can't do it | 00:09 |
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| iball | so you're working on the no-sound issue in TMW now, pupnik? | 00:11 |
| pupnik | no | 00:11 |
| pupnik | i haven't learned enough about sound backends yet | 00:12 |
| iball | For pupnik's "command line" programs I just build a custom PROGRAMNAME.desktop file to launch it in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 00:12 |
| iball | what do you need the allegro libs for? | 00:13 |
| pupnik | waitaminute, all you need is a desktop file? | 00:13 |
| nisse- | Hi! | 00:13 |
| gla55_ | kioil | 00:14 |
| gla55_ | sry. | 00:14 |
| iball | yeah, pupnik....duh | 00:14 |
| nisse- | You guys seem to be professional. | 00:14 |
| iball | here's mine for Man World | 00:14 |
| iball | [Desktop Entry] | 00:14 |
| iball | Encoding=UTF-8 | 00:14 |
| iball | Name=The Mana World | 00:14 |
| iball | GenericName=The Mana World | 00:14 |
| iball | Comment=The Mana World | 00:14 |
| iball | Exec=/usr/games/tmw | 00:14 |
| iball | Type=Application | 00:14 |
| flip^ | pupnik: you know some of your software links are dead, yeah? | 00:14 |
| iball | works like a charm | 00:15 |
| nisse- | I'm wondering that how\'s the work situation look like in the Maemo field | 00:15 |
| pupnik | hmm, i tried for a couple games and it didn't work here, thanks again iball | 00:15 |
| iball | so I take it you'll be adding desktop files to your command-line-only deb pacakges now? :) | 00:15 |
| nisse- | Sorry, auto escape on :D | 00:15 |
| pupnik | iball there's more to it but yes. the games also need to appear in the active programs list on the left, and you need to be able to taskswitch - and there's a 'framework' for that called maemo-games (see marbles game) | 00:16 |
| iball | pupnik, so far I've built custom ones for The Mana World, Pioneers, lgeneral, and Chaos Strikes Back. | 00:16 |
| pupnik | that's how they should all be running | 00:17 |
| pupnik | what is Pioneers? | 00:17 |
| pupnik | greetings nisse- | 00:17 |
| pupnik | of course all the people who KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING are involved in 'serious' projects... | 00:18 |
| iball | something I recompiled to work on the N800...http://pio.sourceforge.net/ | 00:18 |
| iball | see if you can recompile and "make nicer" Pioneers for the IT | 00:18 |
| iball | mine was just a raw recompile and run from the binary | 00:18 |
| pupnik | cool | 00:18 |
| pupnik | eyah something i want to try needs allegro lib | 00:19 |
| iball | what needs allegro libs? | 00:20 |
| pupnik | y | 00:20 |
| iball | nevermind...you could always try to remake dicewars for the IT | 00:20 |
| iball | i know someone "ported" it to the Nintendo DS and it's pretty good | 00:21 |
| iball | addictive as hell | 00:21 |
| iball | http://dicewars.drunkencoders.com/ | 00:21 |
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| pupnik | http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/dice/dice.html does this work in opera browser? | 00:23 |
| pupnik | unique311 has a flash games collection btw | 00:23 |
| nisse- | pupnik: Is it easy to get a job? | 00:23 |
| nisse- | A 'trainee' jov | 00:24 |
| nisse- | s/jov/job/g | 00:24 |
| infobot | nisse- meant: A 'trainee' job | 00:24 |
| nisse- | Nice! | 00:24 |
| pupnik | yes, stocking supermarket shelves, tending a gas station | 00:24 |
| nisse- | punpik Yeah ;D I'm a coder allready. | 00:24 |
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| nisse- | Focused on Linux... | 00:24 |
| pupnik | i have a lot of things for you to do, nisse- | 00:25 |
| pupnik | :) | 00:25 |
| nisse- | pupnik: Sarcastic? | 00:25 |
| pupnik | no | 00:26 |
| flip^ | pupnik: yes, it does seem to work in opera | 00:26 |
| nisse- | pupnik: Go on... Tell me. | 00:26 |
| flip^ | on n800 anyway | 00:26 |
| pupnik | nisse-: check out http://pupnik.de/software.html and let me know if any of those interest you | 00:27 |
| pupnik | what pisses me off is there are these billionaire charity funds and none of them ever sponsor open-source projects | 00:29 |
| nisse- | pupnik: The acmonitor looks good for a starters. | 00:29 |
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| nisse- | pupnik: I'm fluent in Ruby, PHP and Java(SE). | 00:29 |
| pupnik | acmonitor is 'finished'. derf wrote it | 00:30 |
| nisse- | And I know pretty much about C++; | 00:30 |
| pupnik | i just ripped out some code for the 770 | 00:30 |
| nisse- | Oh.. | 00:30 |
| nisse- | Okay, I'll check out something else. | 00:30 |
| pupnik | how about finishing the penguin command conversion from 800x600 to 800x480 | 00:30 |
| pupnik | it's maybe 80% done - jsut a few things not lining up | 00:31 |
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| nisse- | Ah, tell me. | 00:32 |
| nisse- | ... More. | 00:32 |
| iball | acmonitor for N800 link is broken...anyway to host that locally, pupnik? | 00:33 |
| nisse- | pupnik: ... | 00:35 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/penguin-command_maemo_source.tgz | 00:35 |
| iball | pupnik, I'm surprised you didn't also port over Castle Combat http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~karlb/castle-combat/ | 00:35 |
| nisse- | pupnik: 404 | 00:36 |
| pupnik | sorry - 1 minute | 00:36 |
| nisse- | pupnik: Got it. | 00:37 |
| pupnik | planetmath is very slow | 00:38 |
| nisse- | pupnik: Do you have something with c++? | 00:38 |
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| pupnik | yes, i don't know though | 00:40 |
| nisse- | pupnik: ?? | 00:40 |
| pupnik | iball: that combat game uses pygame, and i don't do python | 00:40 |
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| iball | ah, no python...got it | 00:41 |
| pupnik | wb red-zack | 00:41 |
| pupnik | plenty of folks here who like python | 00:41 |
| nisse- | pupnik: Did you miss that last one? | 00:42 |
| nisse- | And yes.. Also no Python. | 00:42 |
| nisse- | Python feels like walking backwards after Ruby. | 00:43 |
| straind | Has anyone put Ruby on the IT? | 00:43 |
| nisse- | straind: Yep. | 00:43 |
| pupnik | nisse-: thanks for the acmonitor link | 00:43 |
| pupnik | ruby? | 00:43 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:43 |
| nisse- | Link? | 00:44 |
| flip^ | pupnik: have you got a version of xkbd that'll go on a n800? | 00:44 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: ruby is http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/projects/ruby-maemo | 00:44 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 00:44 |
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| pupnik | flip^: yes, you can install xkbd on n800 | 00:44 |
| flip^ | presumably manually, as the app installer just says its not compatible | 00:44 |
| pupnik | yeah | 00:44 |
| pupnik | i don't have an n800 | 00:45 |
| flip^ | i've been spoiled by everything being easy with apt over the years methinks :) | 00:45 |
| pupnik | dpkg -i <package> | 00:45 |
| pupnik | will ignore the version incompat | 00:45 |
| flip^ | cool, thanks | 00:46 |
| nisse- | pupnik: Are you working on any project with C++; | 00:46 |
| nisse- | ? | 00:46 |
| flip^ | i bought my n800 to get myself forced under the hood of this sort of thing again... hopefully will be doing some development or porting of my own before too long | 00:46 |
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| pupnik | it's fun flip^ | 00:52 |
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| pupnik | mv: cannot stat `/home/minra/.deps/allegro/allegro4.1-4.1.15/debian/liballegro-dev/usr/lib/allegro/4.1': No such file or directory | 00:58 |
| pupnik | gammit | 00:58 |
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| solmumaha | speaking of ruby, anyone interested on simple video player (uses mplayer) that can do transcoding and supports seeking | 01:08 |
| pupnik | that makes no sense | 01:11 |
| solmumaha | k | 01:11 |
| solmumaha | the player itself doesn't transcode of course | 01:12 |
| pupnik | hmm | 01:12 |
| pupnik | so it lets you transcode on the device before playing? | 01:12 |
| solmumaha | no | 01:12 |
| solmumaha | you install a small server software on your desktop/server | 01:12 |
| solmumaha | it uses vlc for transcoding | 01:13 |
| pupnik | ahh that could be useful. like the gmyth frontend without the heavy myth server backend | 01:13 |
| solmumaha | indeed | 01:13 |
| solmumaha | it works like the media would be on the device | 01:14 |
| toed | that sounds great I was doing something like that with ssh but it was a pain | 01:14 |
| pupnik | yeah i want something like that - tons of vids on the pc, but no easy way to view them quickly on the tablet | 01:14 |
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| solmumaha | server works with windows/linux/freebsd/os x | 01:14 |
| solmumaha | it's a bit rough around the edges, but it works | 01:15 |
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| solmumaha | http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/images/knots/shot0.jpg | 01:16 |
| solmumaha | http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/images/knots/shot1.jpg | 01:16 |
| solmumaha | http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/images/knots/shot2.jpg | 01:17 |
| solmumaha | it's not fancy | 01:17 |
| solmumaha | but works on both models and is quite easy to setup | 01:21 |
| toed | looks cool | 01:22 |
| solmumaha | if anyone is interested, just pm me | 01:24 |
| Deformati | Looks like a good start. | 01:24 |
| Deformati | Doesn't look finished to me though. | 01:25 |
| solmumaha | it isn't | 01:26 |
| solmumaha | but it's in usable state | 01:26 |
| solmumaha | and not sure what features it would still need | 01:27 |
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| Deformati | Oh wait. | 01:29 |
| Deformati | What are we talking about here? | 01:29 |
| Deformati | I thought we were talking about the theme. | 01:29 |
| solmumaha | haha | 01:29 |
| solmumaha | nm my comments then | 01:30 |
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| pupnik | Google: Results 1 - 50 of about 371,000 for "don't tase me bro". | 01:35 |
| straind770X | Anyone running gnucalc? | 01:36 |
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| straind770X | err.. gnumeric ;) | 01:37 |
| flip^ | yeah, a little | 01:48 |
| straind770X | on a 770? | 01:50 |
| flip^ | nah, n800 | 01:50 |
| straind770X | Ah. Ok. | 01:50 |
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| ericz | so how do i modify the firmware.. so that i can make the error message "Internet connection failed" just a bit more fucking non-specific and uselesS? | 02:50 |
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| user__ | hi, I have just read a log where anyone told about building emacs on maemo | 03:23 |
| user__ | have does anyone done this? | 03:24 |
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| saaib | straind, do you know anyone running gnucash in 770 or 800? | 04:05 |
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| straind | saaib: No. I'm not familiar with gnucash either. :) | 04:17 |
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| sbz | Deformati: on your n770/800 install this apt packages with command line : # apt-get install gcc-3.4-base libgcc1 dpkg-dev | 04:24 |
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| Deformati | I do not need to install it/ | 04:24 |
| Deformati | I need to buiild it. | 04:24 |
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| sbz | get the source upstream form the web site and used to ./configure && make && make install, if you want to build it | 04:25 |
| sbz | i ough to build in your scratchbox, create binary package and install on your nokia | 04:26 |
| sbz | because the compilation on nokia can do really really long | 04:27 |
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| Deformati | sbz: I understand that, but I would still like to get it working. | 04:53 |
| Deformati | sbz: What do you mean source upstream form? | 04:54 |
| sbz | the tarball from the gcc website | 04:56 |
| Deformati | Well yeah, I tried that. | 05:08 |
| Deformati | And it failed to build. | 05:08 |
| sbz | why recompile it when you can have a binary package which works good ? do you are a gentoo user ? | 05:13 |
| Deformati | No. | 05:14 |
| Deformati | Lets see if I can explain this well. | 05:14 |
| Deformati | I need to get GDC working. | 05:14 |
| Deformati | GDC is GCC with D language support. | 05:15 |
| Deformati | But in order to build GDC I need to be able to build GCC. | 05:15 |
| Deformati | Make sense? | 05:15 |
| unique311 | man, i just watched a movie that almost made me want to cry...... | 05:15 |
| Deformati | Hi unique311 | 05:15 |
| unique311 | I'm depressed now | 05:15 |
| unique311 | whats up Deformati | 05:15 |
| sbz | okay Deformati | 05:16 |
| _Monkey | well, Deformati is not a fan of games. or planning on learning ARM asm | 05:16 |
| saaib | unique311, wha't the movie? | 05:16 |
| unique311 | ghost of cite soliel. | 05:16 |
| Deformati | unique311: Did a few more quick faces. | 05:16 |
| Deformati | And now I am drawing fabric. | 05:16 |
| unique311 | cool | 05:17 |
| unique311 | fabric as in t's | 05:17 |
| Deformati | Yeah, just a shirt thrown in some random layout. | 05:17 |
| unique311 | i need to watch something to get me out of this mood i'm in. | 05:17 |
| Deformati | Draw. | 05:17 |
| Deformati | :D | 05:17 |
| unique311 | i have designs for t's right now.. | 05:18 |
| unique311 | working on a collection..that i can hopefully shop around... | 05:18 |
| Deformati | Or, if you want to get really pissed off, try to get gdc working. | 05:18 |
| sbz | Deformati: do you have binutils 2.13 ? (see there http://gcc.gnu.org/install/specific.html#arm-x-elf) | 05:18 |
| sbz | or more recent | 05:18 |
| Deformati | Uh. | 05:20 |
| Deformati | That doesn't help me compile gdc. :D | 05:20 |
| Deformati | unique311: BTW, I was talking about folds, not designs | 05:21 |
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| unique311 | folds? | 05:21 |
| Deformati | Like, throw some clothing at the wall, all the shadows and organic designs created by that. | 05:22 |
| unique311 | never heard of it.. | 05:22 |
| unique311 | wikipedia on it? | 05:23 |
| Deformati | Uh... | 05:23 |
| Deformati | http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jan-2005/53202-Da-Vinci-small.jpg | 05:24 |
| Deformati | i didn't do that one. | 05:24 |
| Deformati | xD | 05:24 |
| unique311 | ok | 05:24 |
| unique311 | i like that. | 05:24 |
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| unique311 | look like there's a person underneath it. | 05:25 |
| Deformati | Yeah, it was one of da vinci's favorite hobbies. | 05:25 |
| unique311 | how long did it take you? | 05:25 |
| Deformati | He would take a fabric, and draw it several times with the light in different positions. | 05:25 |
| Deformati | I did not draw that. | 05:25 |
| Deformati | As I said. | 05:25 |
| unique311 | i need to start drawing more. | 05:27 |
| unique311 | everytime i feel like it is not cutting it anymore. | 05:27 |
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| unique311 | but resident evil is on my mind right now. | 05:29 |
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| pupnik | announcement: i will NOT be compiling 'liquidwar' on maemo | 08:20 |
| pupnik | my observations show that it is better to align | 08:22 |
| pupnik | writes on 16-byte boundaries at least on Nokia 770. | 08:22 |
| pupnik | Updated: Microsoft said Monday it will take the necessary steps to comply with a European Union ruling after an appeal court gave the software giant a stinging defeat. Now Microsoft will have to share code with rivals to ensure interoperability. | 08:26 |
| pupnik | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=6270 | 08:26 |
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| saaib | time for bed | 08:52 |
| saaib | gnite | 08:52 |
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| pupnik | liquidwar built... segfaults on handle_mouse though - looks like liballegro doesn't like the ARM cpu | 10:30 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey: Nuvie is the Ultima 6 RPG engine http://pupnik.de/nuvie.html http://pupnik.de/nuvie_ultima6_770_1.jpg | 11:50 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 11:50 |
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| alterego | Anyone had any problems with scratchbox on debian? | 14:48 |
| alterego | Using the deb repository. There's no /scratchbox/login script. | 14:48 |
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| flip^ | i've not even got that far... it just didn't seem to install properly for me, and now i doesn't seem to want to remove or let me add more users | 14:50 |
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| alterego | Strange .. It's there now O_O | 14:52 |
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| Molagi | pupnik how did you get that Nuvie to run on 770? | 15:33 |
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| kpel | hi all | 15:39 |
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| dorto | Is Nuvie like Nethack? :) | 15:46 |
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| dorto | OK, Nuvie is the engine. Is Ultima 6 like Nethack? | 15:48 |
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| Molagi | not really | 16:06 |
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| Molagi | i think ultima 6 is a lot better | 16:06 |
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| koos | I've add a mimetype in my aps' .destop file and when I click a link in the browser w/ such a mime, it asks to open it w/ my app but next it says 'Unable to open. File format not supported'. Obviously something is missing, but what? | 16:09 |
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| toed | vim uses 19mb of disk space? that seems quite high | 16:58 |
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| lardman | hmm, dspgateway error messages are somewhat terse | 17:37 |
| lardman | Anyone remember the chap who was having troubles playing mp3s, he had an error message like this: "omapdsp: tadd address is ABORTADR." | 17:38 |
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| hozano | Hi Folks. How to run the maemo image-viewer using a specified image as parameter from console? | 17:46 |
| lardman | what's the image view binary name? | 17:47 |
| hozano | image-viewer | 17:47 |
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| lardman | hmm, no help output, and if you pass a jpg to it, it just hangs | 17:49 |
| lardman | probably need to send it over dbus | 17:50 |
| lardman | the path that is | 17:50 |
| hozano | maybe. | 17:51 |
| _Monkey | maybe is a good idea | 17:51 |
| hozano | I am developing a file manager, using python... | 17:52 |
| hozano | and I wish to open the selected file in such file manager... | 17:53 |
| hozano | The maemo file manager do it... | 17:53 |
| lardman | see whether anything passes over dbus when you click on a file in the filemanager then | 17:54 |
| hozano | But maemo file manager do not show all system folders. | 17:54 |
| hozano | How I do it? It is possible using python? | 17:55 |
| lardman | well using dbus is: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html | 17:57 |
| lardman | and there's a command (binary) which allows you to listen to the messages going across, so you can work out whether this is how to do it | 17:57 |
| lardman | but I can't remember the name; anyone else? | 17:58 |
| hozano | dbus-monitor | 17:58 |
| hozano | i am run it. | 17:58 |
| lardman | that's the one | 17:58 |
| hozano | When I open a image file from the maemo file manager, the image filename dont is showed in the dbus-monitor lines... | 17:59 |
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| lardman | hozano: No idea then, sorry | 18:02 |
| hozano | lardman: Thanks | 18:03 |
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| lardman | hozano: Are you sure you're getting all the messages with dbus-monitor? I seem to remember some switches were needed | 18:03 |
| hozano | I am not sure. | 18:05 |
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| lardman | hozano: Just a thought | 18:06 |
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| lardman | hozano: Try using --system | 18:07 |
| lardman | With that I get some dbus output from the filemanager as it starts the image-viewer | 18:07 |
| hozano | lardman: no name again... | 18:08 |
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| hozano | when the image viewer is opened from file manager, this strings are showed in the dbus-monitor: | 18:13 |
| hozano | signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged | 18:13 |
| hozano | string "com.nokia.image_viewer" | 18:13 |
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| lardman | Well the name need not be sent as an ascii string | 18:14 |
| lardman | it could be an object, though why I've no idea | 18:14 |
| lardman | but more likely, there's a seperate communication between the filemanager and the image-viewer, you may need to look at the --session switch | 18:15 |
| lardman | I'm assuming --system is broadcast to eveyone, but session is private | 18:15 |
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| hozano | make sense | 18:16 |
| hozano | no references to image-viewer and the image name... | 18:18 |
| hozano | Only using --system gets references to image-viewer | 18:19 |
| lardman | I've no idea how it works the first time, but if the image-view is already open, you get the following using dbus-monitor --session: | 18:21 |
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| lardman | method call sender=:1.129 -> dest=com.nokia.image_viewer interface=com.nokia.image_viewer; member=mime_open | 18:21 |
| lardman | string "file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Humpback_whale_Alaska.jpg" | 18:21 |
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| hozano | hmm, Then I am running dbus-monitor in another session... | 18:22 |
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| * pupnik sucks at packaging | 18:33 | |
| pupnik | cheers lardman | 18:33 |
| pupnik | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${source:Version} | 18:34 |
| pupnik | this is probably a problem with debhelper 4 | 18:34 |
| lardman | pupnik: what for? | 18:35 |
| pupnik | just a random cheers | 18:36 |
| lardman | cheers to you too (I've just opened a beer :) | 18:37 |
| * lardman hopes that the beer will help him see clearly how to debug his dspgateway issues | 18:38 | |
| hozano | lardman: Thanks for help me. I am go out. Bye. | 18:39 |
| lardman | hozano: np | 18:39 |
| hozano | I will open my beer. :) | 18:40 |
| lardman | :) | 18:40 |
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| lardman | aaargh, no way to debug dspgateway loader errors | 18:43 |
| lardman | ah, I feel better now | 18:43 |
| pupnik | is there a dspgateway guru channel? | 18:43 |
| lardman | not sure, I think I'll send an email to the dspgateway-devel list, but I was just trying to figure out any possibilites I'd missed | 18:44 |
| lardman | I hope it doesn't come down to needing to patch the kernel | 18:44 |
| lardman | to produce more verbose output | 18:45 |
| pupnik | yeah | 18:45 |
| lardman | I may as well grab the source and see whether I can work out where to add some printks though | 18:46 |
| lardman | _Monkey: do you know the url of the maemo source repo? | 18:46 |
| _Monkey | lardman: i don't know | 18:46 |
| lardman | useful | 18:46 |
| pupnik | 823458 Sep 23 16:45 pingus_0.7.1-1_armel.deb \o/ | 18:47 |
| skibur | ... | 18:48 |
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| pupnik | still need an elegant solution for installing game data to mmc on package install | 18:52 |
| lardman | _Monkey: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ is where one can download source packages | 18:52 |
| _Monkey | OK, lardman. | 18:52 |
| lardman | pupnik: preinst script to produce a simlink? | 18:52 |
| lardman | can you not write directly to /media/mmcX ? | 18:53 |
| pupnik | yes | 18:53 |
| pupnik | but user should be notified of this via dialog | 18:53 |
| pupnik | and on n800 some might want mmc2 vs mmc1 on the 770 | 18:53 |
| lardman | how do the Nokia warnings work? | 18:53 |
| pupnik | so i can probably handle that with a test | 18:54 |
| lardman | licence agreements, etc. | 18:54 |
| pupnik | i dunno yet - there's a dialog to choose the menu location, so maybe i can use that | 18:54 |
| pupnik | good point | 18:54 |
| pupnik | i've just never seen an app that lets user choose installation directory - that would involve invoking a filebrowser in the most generic case | 18:54 |
| lardman | it seems to be specific to different packages, so it might be useful | 18:54 |
| pupnik | yeah a message dialogue would be sufficient i think - informing and giving the option to abort | 18:55 |
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| pupnik | pingus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libX11.so.6: undefined symbol: _XlcI | 19:07 |
| pupnik | haha google hasn't seen that before | 19:07 |
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| saaib | lol... ircing while shopping groceries | 19:14 |
| pupnik | ask the grocer to stock Eichten's Hidden Acres string cheese | 19:15 |
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| pupnik | anyone with a 770 to help test The Mana World build ? | 19:53 |
| pupnik | getting connection errors to account server, and would like to see if the problem is local to my device | 19:53 |
| solmumaha | sure | 19:54 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/tmw.html | 19:59 |
| pupnik | install the .debs with dpkg -i, then the data file, then the bin file as well | 20:00 |
| pupnik | maybe app manager works as well - dunno if i set the section correctly | 20:00 |
| pupnik | call me by name if you have a qwuestion - i am chatting in the tmw channel | 20:01 |
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| pupnik | solmumaha: your testing help would be much appreciated - | 20:03 |
| solmumaha | pupnik: ran into some depency-problems | 20:04 |
| solmumaha | so i'll need a sec | 20:04 |
| pupnik | ok let me know if i forgot to list dependencies | 20:04 |
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| b0unc3 | hi | 20:10 |
| _Monkey | hey, b0unc3 | 20:10 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: what's the binary called? doesn't start from menu and can't find a .desktop file for it | 20:14 |
| pupnik | try /usr/games/tmw | 20:16 |
| solmumaha | thx | 20:16 |
| solmumaha | ah, needs xkbd | 20:18 |
| pupnik | if you don't have an existing account - first click on register | 20:18 |
| pupnik | yeah i use synergy for kbd | 20:18 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: seems to freeze on register | 20:25 |
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| solmumaha | server itself doesn't seem to be down | 20:28 |
| pupnik | yes you should be able to get the updates | 20:28 |
| pupnik | but then when connecting to account server it will disconnect then keep waiting | 20:28 |
| solmumaha | got the updates yes | 20:28 |
| pupnik | [17:01:19.81] Trying to connect to account server... | 20:28 |
| pupnik | [17:01:19.81] Username is puptest3 | 20:28 |
| pupnik | [17:01:19.81] Network::Connecting to server.themanaworld.org:6901 | 20:28 |
| pupnik | [17:01:19.87] Network::Started session with 81.161.192.4:62746 | 20:28 |
| pupnik | [17:01:24.69] Disconnected. | 20:28 |
| pupnik | thanks solmumaha | 20:31 |
| solmumaha | doesn't start with the config.xml from your site | 20:34 |
| pupnik | wha?! | 20:41 |
| solmumaha | complains about the resolution | 20:41 |
| pupnik | dangit -- updated the link | 20:42 |
| pupnik | thanks | 20:42 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/tmw_0.0.23-3_armel.deb | 20:42 |
| toed | is there a way to use the cjk handwriting recognition thing without having to switch IM? | 20:46 |
| toed | I don't need pinyin input just the h. r. | 20:47 |
| solmumaha | pupnik: now xkbd doesn't work :) worked better, but still the account server problem | 20:48 |
| pupnik | yes for some reason the n800 tester could connect to account server | 20:49 |
| solmumaha | want me to test on n800? | 20:49 |
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| pupnik | yes! please | 20:49 |
| solmumaha | k | 20:49 |
| pupnik | i will need to do a dsniff/tcpdump | 20:50 |
| pupnik | but having confirmed problem/success will help very much | 20:50 |
| pupnik | as that points then to something specific to 770 | 20:50 |
| pupnik | but perhaps it is our network/wlan setup | 20:51 |
| pupnik | so if it works on your N800, then it is confirmed that it is not the wlan setup | 20:51 |
| pupnik | but that it is specific to 770 | 20:51 |
| pupnik | so the N800 test will be very helpful | 20:51 |
| solmumaha | works with n800 | 20:54 |
| solmumaha | quite nicely too | 20:54 |
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| pupnik | :) :/ | 20:54 |
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| solmumaha | but xkbd doesn't seem to work in fullscreen | 20:55 |
| pupnik | right | 20:55 |
| pupnik | something about the sdl window and focus behavior | 20:56 |
| solmumaha | could the connection problem be libsdl-net specific? | 20:56 |
| alterego | Ooo .. Where's the package? | 20:57 |
| alterego | Is this that MMORPG? | 20:57 |
| pupnik | yes solmumaha maybe... i'll try to find a different libsdl-net | 20:57 |
| Deformati | tmw = the mana world? | 20:58 |
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| solmumaha | alterego: my app first ;) | 20:59 |
| alterego | I tried your app :P | 20:59 |
| alterego | It didn't work :P | 20:59 |
| solmumaha | haha | 20:59 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/tmw.html alterego | 20:59 |
| alterego | I'm working on ruby-libosso now anyway :P | 20:59 |
| pupnik | good deal | 20:59 |
| Deformati | I thought i saw pupnik somewhere before, I knew you from the mana world. | 20:59 |
| Deformati | :D | 20:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:00 |
| alterego | Small world. | 21:00 |
| alterego | For people with small devices :) | 21:00 |
| Deformati | I have a big device. | 21:00 |
| solmumaha | so it's not massive multiplayer... | 21:00 |
| Deformati | Kthanks. | 21:00 |
| alterego | I like your site pupnik. Though maybe you should make the background image fixed ;) | 21:00 |
| pupnik | is the text readable for you? | 21:01 |
| pupnik | i don't bother with html much - just whatever i remember from 1996 | 21:03 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I can read the text. | 21:03 |
| alterego | Unless you're talking about the text in the background ^_^ | 21:04 |
| pupnik | mwaha | 21:04 |
| pupnik | your right - the software page now scrolls down - it used to fit on the 770 screen :) | 21:04 |
| pupnik | 're | 21:04 |
| alterego | Ah. | 21:05 |
| alterego | I'm not even sure you could call that a hack ;) | 21:06 |
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| pupnik | ok 'fixed' | 21:09 |
| alterego | chinook beta took ages to install :/ | 21:13 |
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| solmumaha | anyone with a linux/freebsd/os x desktop/server willing to test my media transcoding app? | 21:15 |
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| ericz | what's a2dp? | 21:17 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that a2dp is available for N800 with installation instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 or if you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask trevarthan or disq about Kagu or bluetooth stereo audio. | 21:17 |
| ericz | hrm, not on the 770? :-/ | 21:17 |
| trevarth1n | no, too much CPU usage. | 21:18 |
| ericz | ah, stupid useless verizon bluetooth | 21:18 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: do i need ruby on the device? | 21:18 |
| solmumaha | yes, sry | 21:18 |
| solmumaha | but it's worth it ;) | 21:18 |
| pupnik | got a link to howto? | 21:19 |
| alterego | You need a howto to install Ruby | 21:19 |
| alterego | ??? | 21:19 |
| alterego | Just download the packages man! | 21:19 |
| ericz | verizon's bluetooth makin' me crazy | 21:20 |
| ericz | anybody got DUN working with it.. without paying for data plan | 21:20 |
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| alterego | Sod it, I'll just delete the static library in the packaging script .. | 21:37 |
| alterego | And man pages .. | 21:37 |
| pupnik | heh | 21:38 |
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| pupnik | heh no configure in vlc-trunk | 21:39 |
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| alterego | I can't find the --disable-static option .. | 21:39 |
| alterego | I wish there was a list of configure options and make file variables .. | 21:40 |
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| pupnik | ./configure --help ? | 21:40 |
| alterego | A more comprehensive list ;) | 21:40 |
| alterego | --help is fine for common options but it doesn't have everything. | 21:40 |
| pupnik | ok depends on the author if they add the specific options to the --help | 21:40 |
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| ekim|irc- | Hi | 21:43 |
| ekim|irc- | where can I get the tkinter module for python2.5 for maemo ? | 21:44 |
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| lardman | Right, school-boy question now: where do I find the syslog output on the n800? | 21:46 |
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| koos | lardman: cat /dev/null | 21:48 |
| lardman | :) | 21:48 |
| lardman | where's the binary? In the initfs? | 21:49 |
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| lardman | /mnt/initfs/sbin/syslogd | 21:50 |
| lardman | So dmesg reads the supposed contents of /var/log/messages (or a circular buffer), what file does syslogd create? | 21:52 |
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| lardman | hmm, I've installed sysklogd | 21:56 |
| lardman | I need to log messages created by syslog(LOG_INFO,...) | 21:56 |
| lardman | should this work? | 21:56 |
| lardman | I probably need to fiddle with the conf file, and then tail some text file to which the data are written | 21:57 |
| * lardman seems to remember a binary called logread that used a circular buffer rather than a file | 21:57 | |
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| micky_ | hi | 22:07 |
| micky_ | anyone knows where can i buy a n800 in Miami ? | 22:08 |
| alterego | nokia.com ? | 22:08 |
| alterego | ebay? | 22:08 |
| micky_ | i'm in a hurry | 22:09 |
| micky_ | can't wait for the mail :-S | 22:09 |
| micky_ | I was thinking somewhere i can pick it up | 22:10 |
| alterego | O_o | 22:10 |
| alterego | Try ringing some places up that you think may have them. | 22:11 |
| micky_ | thx alterego, I'll keep looking, bestbuy now circuitcity have them in stock | 22:11 |
| micky_ | nor* | 22:11 |
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| alterego | Woo .. trimmed off 300K .. | 22:24 |
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| pupnik | good lord, nothing is running and i have 61MB RAM used and 16MB swap used | 22:43 |
| pupnik | can i tell kernel "free up mem please"? | 22:43 |
| micky_ | pupnik, there's no need to, that's the way linux/unix works | 22:44 |
| alterego | restart ? :) | 22:44 |
| pupnik | yeah i hear ya | 22:44 |
| flip^ | given scratchbox hates me, i think i need something new to occupy me and play with on my n800 this evening | 22:45 |
| solmumaha | flip^: a media streaming app perhaps? :) | 22:46 |
| pupnik | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches | 22:46 |
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| pupnik | lol @ /proc/sys/vm/swappiness | 22:48 |
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| * flip^ grins at solmumaha | 22:49 | |
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| cosmo | hmm https://maemo.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=275 | 22:56 |
| pupnik | yaay for dpkg-buildpackage -nc | 22:57 |
| cosmo | looks like that contains a html file with javascript redirection | 22:59 |
| alterego | solmumaha, ruby-dbus package is uploaded. | 23:02 |
| solmumaha | k | 23:03 |
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| alterego | I guess I'm going to have to start consolidating these packages. | 23:03 |
| solmumaha | and i need to start reading documentation | 23:04 |
| alterego | :) | 23:04 |
| alterego | I'm gonna have a little play with the dbus binding for a bit :) | 23:05 |
| alterego | See if I can't change the volume ;) | 23:05 |
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| alterego | solmumaha, you can change the volume using GConf. | 23:10 |
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| alterego | Which means I can write a nice daemon to counteract the annoyind volume drop when plugging headphones in .. | 23:11 |
| hozano | lardman|drink: I got to open maemo image_viewer using d-bus signaling. | 23:11 |
| alterego | solmumaha, '/apps/osso/sound/master_volume' is the gconf path. Can be between 0->100 | 23:12 |
| solmumaha | k, thx | 23:12 |
| alterego | Thankfully we have a gconf binding in the gnome2 package :) | 23:13 |
| solmumaha | i'll test it | 23:14 |
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| Thanatermesis | the last firmware looks slow on my n800, like has a "lag" in the responsiveness sometimes, anybody has noticed that ? | 23:15 |
| flip^ | only after i've been fiddling and experimenting for a while... normal use it seems ok | 23:18 |
| pupnik | i hate the way application manager scans subdirs | 23:21 |
| pupnik | i click on something while its scanning, and by the time it registers the click, it has changed the icons | 23:21 |
| `0660 | Thanatermesis, i had it when i used the integrated email client | 23:23 |
| pupnik | well it's the file-browser whatever | 23:23 |
| pupnik | same thing happens with mplayer when selecting a directory | 23:23 |
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| alterego | MMC or internal? | 23:23 |
| pupnik | both | 23:23 |
| Thanatermesis | `0660, just exactly what i have used (and configured from first time) some minutes ago | 23:23 |
| pupnik | still compiling vlc, solmumaha :) | 23:25 |
| Thanatermesis | `0660, do you know if that app is based on other one or if is made from scratch ? | 23:25 |
| `0660 | i don't know :/ | 23:26 |
| `0660 | i just switched to use claws mail. it's fast | 23:26 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. They say gtkhtml is installed .. But I don't believe them. | 23:33 |
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| solmumaha | alterego: works nicely | 23:37 |
| alterego | Cool | 23:37 |
| alterego | Any requests after libosso? | 23:38 |
| ekim|irc | I have a nokia 770 ... and xchat wont go fullscreen | 23:38 |
| ekim|irc | Whats up with that ? | 23:38 |
| solmumaha | alterego: xmms2 binds :) | 23:39 |
| alterego | O_o | 23:39 |
| alterego | Who's going to install xmms2 on a tablet? | 23:39 |
| ekim|irc | me | 23:39 |
| ekim|irc | is there a package for it ? | 23:39 |
| alterego | No | 23:40 |
| * flip^ stands by irssi over xchat any day ;) | 23:40 | |
| alterego | Heh | 23:40 |
| solmumaha | well not maybe xmms2 but a client | 23:40 |
| alterego | A remote control? Or stream? | 23:40 |
| alterego | I don't use xmms so I don't really know what you mean :) | 23:40 |
| solmumaha | remote | 23:40 |
| alterego | Ah, that'd be easy. | 23:40 |
| unique311 | solmumaha: visualization works? | 23:40 |
| alterego | xmms can have keyboard short cuts right? | 23:41 |
| solmumaha | xmms2 is basically a server | 23:41 |
| alterego | I was thinking of writing a BT HID client :) | 23:41 |
| alterego | So you can use the tablets as an input mechanism for a computer with bluetooth. | 23:41 |
| solmumaha | that would be nice too | 23:41 |
| alterego | Then you could use it with Winamp ;) | 23:42 |
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| solmumaha | xmms2 is very different from the old xmms | 23:42 |
| alterego | I'll have a look at it :) | 23:42 |
| alterego | My N800 is my media player now .. | 23:42 |
| solmumaha | i have it running on server and i control it via that ajax web client | 23:42 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's cool. | 23:42 |
| alterego | I liked what you did with that. | 23:43 |
| solmumaha | could also make a client for tablet, though it works nicely via opera/microb | 23:43 |
| alterego | I think after libosso, I'll start work on the future ruby-maemo | 23:43 |
| alterego | I.E. chinook and Ruby 2 | 23:43 |
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| toed | does anyone have a vlc web interface thing that's a bit more tablet-friendly than the default one? | 23:50 |
| solmumaha | for transcoding video? | 23:51 |
| solmumaha | or as remote control? | 23:51 |
| toed | remote control | 23:52 |
| solmumaha | ah, dunno then | 23:52 |
| toed | I saw your transcoding thing last night | 23:52 |
| toed | :) | 23:52 |
| MDK | alterego: there are ruby packages for n800, right? | 23:52 |
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| alterego | MDK, yes. | 23:52 |
| alterego | N800 and N770 | 23:53 |
| alterego | And soon chinook on the N800 | 23:53 |
| solmumaha | toed: video or audio? | 23:53 |
| solmumaha | i have a web interface for xmms2 on linux/freebsd for audio | 23:54 |
| solmumaha | works nicely with n800 | 23:54 |
| toed | video, but what's the difference? | 23:55 |
| solmumaha | nm then, xmms2 is for audio only | 23:55 |
| pupnik | xmms2 wasn't a trivial build | 23:56 |
| toed | ah | 23:56 |
| pupnik | none of the media players i tried were 'low hanging fruit' | 23:56 |
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| unique311 | http://woz.org/vids/Woz%20on%20Colbert.mp4 | 23:57 |
| pupnik | xmms, xmms2, bmp, bmp2, several different versions etc | 23:57 |
| unique311 | wow check this out. | 23:57 |
| unique311 | old clip | 23:57 |
| unique311 | steve woz is a true geek.... | 23:57 |
| MDK | alterego: it would be cool to provide rails + one of the lightweight servers + integration | 23:58 |
| pupnik | unique311: - i got a new pingus build fresh from today's 0.7.1 release - would you be able to try it out on your N800? | 23:58 |
| MDK | to be able to run rails applications locally, such as wikis etc. | 23:58 |
| MDK | there are some stand-alone interesting rails apps | 23:59 |
| unique311 | i will.. | 23:59 |
| unique311 | later on probably..when i feel like messing with the n800 | 23:59 |
| Thanatermesis | what is the better FS to format the MMC card for boot from it ? ext2 ? | 23:59 |
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