IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-09-12

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unique311i finally figured out how to play sudoku,  Not a big fan of reading instructions...00:31
unique311yeah, everyone celebrate00:31
* celesteh celebrates00:31
unique311cool00:32
unique311k, now i need sudoku for the n80000:32
* celesteh drinks too much champagne00:32
celestehi found it last night00:32
celestehi forget where00:32
celestehnot totally happy with it00:32
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unique311i can finally give up my addiction to solitaire on the n80000:33
celestehit would be nice to have a version that let you choose things like difficulty level.  i haven't done a serious search yet, because if i follow the siren song of sudoku, that's baaaad00:34
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unique311if i find anything i'll let you know.00:34
unique311hopefully i can find something that easily ports to maemo00:35
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unique311gpe-sudoku, maemo-sudoku00:38
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celestehi think i got the gpe.  it is not great00:40
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toedis it possible for the touchscreen of my 770 to have a small deadzone in the middle? not quite sure how the technology works01:10
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pupnikyes toed01:18
toedI guess I'll have to send it back01:18
pupnikyou can test it with a sketch program01:19
toedthat's what I was doing, but since it's in dead center I was thinking it might be a bug or something01:19
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pupnikhaven't heard of any software issues that would explain that01:20
toedwishful thinking :)01:22
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DeformatiAnyone around02:14
Deformati?02:14
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saaiblonely day I guess02:16
DeformatiIndeed.02:17
DeformatiEverything went perfect.02:17
DeformatiExcept I didn't get my 770 yet.02:17
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DeformatiCan anyone help me with scratchbox?02:19
DeformatiWhen I try to login I get major ld.so error.02:20
saaibArgh! my 770 is Awaiting parts02:20
Deformatisaaib: Can you help me with scratchbox?02:21
saaibDeformati, did you run all the steps?02:21
DeformatiAs far as I know.02:21
DeformatiI am following the tutorial.02:21
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DeformatiInconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c bla bla bla02:22
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DeformatiHmm, now after reboot it says "scratchbox is not properly setup!"02:26
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Blacksitoxhi02:28
saaibDeformati, probably you didn't run an ldconfig somewhere?02:30
DeformatiThe tutorial never said that.02:31
saaibdid you run the run me first script?02:31
DeformatiYes.02:31
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saaibDeformati, are you doing your scratchbox manually?02:37
saaibor using rpm/deb?02:37
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DeformatiManually02:38
hennoDeformati: if you are installing yoru scratchbox on arch, let me know how you go as well as any 'gotchas'02:38
hennoI am looking to do the same very soon02:38
DeformatiI might make a pkgbuild at some point.02:39
DeformatiBut not yet.02:39
DeformatiI need to get it working before I can make a pkgbuild.02:39
Deformati:)02:39
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hennoI would be very interested in such a PKGBUILD02:39
DeformatiMy first goal will be to get GDC working on the 77002:39
hennoand rxvt :)02:40
DeformatiThat too.02:40
hennoby the sounds of things you are quite partial to the D programming language02:40
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DeformatiYeah.02:41
DeformatiI almost program in D exclusively,  I do some functional programming like erlang and lisp on the side though.02:41
DeformatiI am also planning on learning ARM asm02:41
_Monkeyokay, Deformati.02:41
proctoYes! I was able to get the headset profile to connect to my bluetooth headset!02:42
proctothat is, something other than a2dp02:42
proctohowever02:42
proctoit's just garbage02:42
Deformati_Monkey: ?02:42
_Monkeydeformati: no idea02:42
proctonot playing anything yet :(02:42
Deformatihenno: I would imagine you would enjoy D,  there is a pretty large ratio of Archers in the D community,.02:43
DeformatiThat is, given that you already program.02:43
proctoanyone been able to get the headset profile to work without a kernel patch?02:43
DeformatiYou do, don't you?02:43
hennoDeformati: from what I have read, I think I would enjoy it02:44
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hennoI am dabbling in python at the moent, but I have to admit I am struggling a little with a totally new paradigm02:44
hennoD looks like a good compromise02:44
DeformatiD has python bindings.02:45
DeformatiThat is, python can use D.02:45
hennoyeah I noticed that02:45
DeformatiKrik maintains that.02:45
DeformatiI have never used it though.02:45
DeformatiNot a big fan of python.02:46
hennoin fact, that is how I first got a look at D02:46
Deformatiyage3d.net --that is one of the projects I am working on02:46
DeformatiAnd also slate project, but slate is too young for me to say anything about it really.02:47
hennoDeformati: I thought all lisp programmers liked python :)02:48
hennoit is like some sort of rule of interpretted languages is it not :)02:48
DeformatiWell, I am not a lisp programmer, I just play with it, because it's interesting/fun, but it is definitely not suitable for real projects in my opinion.02:49
hennowell that pretty much reflect my interest in python at this stage02:49
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hennoi find it very easy to hack around in existing codebases, but to start from scratch, I am lost02:50
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DeformatiDo you know any C syntax language?02:50
pauliukasSo we've all seen Digg.02:50
pauliukasAny negatives about it?02:50
pauliukashttp://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/09/kde-on-it.html02:50
hennoDeformati: yes, I am more familiar with C syntax than any other programming 'style'02:52
hennogimme braces and semi-colons dammit :)02:52
proctoc-style = algol style02:52
DeformatiWhat C language(s) do you know?02:52
hennoDeformati: I am fluent in none, but familiar with C++ above anything else02:54
hennomake no mistake though, I suck at it02:54
henno:)02:54
DeformatiAh, well, then you will love D.02:54
DeformatiNo one is good at C++02:54
DeformatiExcept like, walter.02:54
DeformatiC++ is an ugly beast. :)02:55
erstaziheh02:55
hennohaha02:56
erstaziI always thought D was influenced by C++02:56
DeformatiWell.02:57
DeformatiD fixes it.02:57
DeformatiD has real object orientation.02:57
DeformatiAnd nested functions.02:57
DeformatiDelegates.02:57
erstaziyeah I have seen tidbits of D02:57
DeformatiPerfect array classes. :)02:58
erstazigdc on OS200X, I am not sure, I might have seen a package for it02:58
erstaziDeformati: do you have OS2006 or OS2007?02:58
DeformatiWell, I have not received my 770 as of yet.02:58
DeformatiRushPL and I plan to get gdc working on the 770, it shouldn't be too difficult.02:59
erstaziDeformati: what is your main distro that you use on a pc?03:00
DeformatiArchlinux03:00
hennoDeformati: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l03:00
DeformatiAwesome.03:01
erstaziDeformati: well, scratchbox can be compiled from source03:01
DeformatiYeah.03:01
erstaziDeformati: and, the rootstraps and all that are easy to get03:01
DeformatiI am going to try extracting the .deb first.03:01
DeformatiHmm, never heard of MichaelDominicK03:02
erstaziDeformati: that works03:02
DeformatiIs there .rpms somewhere?03:02
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erstaziDeformati: I have seem them before but never used them03:03
erstaziDeformati: I only use scratchbox on debian03:03
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hennoI have a debian box in the US, I might just take the easy option and install it there rather than muck with arch at this stage03:04
* henno wonders wwhat's the fun in that03:05
erstazihenno: heh, thats because you use arch too huh03:06
hennoyup03:06
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* RushPL wants his Nokia :-)03:17
DeformatiMe too.03:18
DeformatiEspecially if gdc works.03:18
DeformatiI wonder if nokia will provide a gdc .deb03:18
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erstaziDeformati: don't think so03:22
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erstaziDeformati: I highly doubt it, but the maemo community will (:03:22
DeformatiThe guy that got it working on the 770 works for nokia.03:23
erstaziDeformati: ah03:23
DeformatiThe maemo community doesn't seem to have done much thus far.03:23
erstaziDeformati: did he post a howto?03:23
DeformatiNo.03:23
erstaziDeformati: well, supply and demand03:23
Deformatihttp://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/gdc_nokia_arm-_-gnueabi_46720.html03:24
pupnikman i've been totally unproductive for a month now03:24
DeformatiAfter I receive my 770 I will email him and try to get some support.03:26
RushPLDeformati: since Anders got it working on ARM, should be no different on Nokia.03:28
DeformatiHe did?03:29
DeformatiOh.03:29
DeformatiI haven't been reading.03:29
DeformatiDid you get scratchbox working?03:29
DeformatiI keep getting ld.so errors.03:29
DeformatiRushPL: ?03:30
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DeformatiRushPL: we should make an alternate package management system.03:35
DeformatiBecause I REALLY do not like apt.03:35
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hennoDeformati: now your talking crazy talk.. might as well make a whole other arm distro for the 770 while you are at it :)03:39
DeformatiThat's the idea.03:39
DeformatiI am just thinking of more immediate needs.03:40
DeformatiSlate project might be integrated.03:40
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DeformatiThe slate project will basically be an operating system minus kernel, like openstep, usable on several kernels, written entirely in D, direct syscalls interface.03:43
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pupnikI am going to write a new OS because i have issues with tar.03:47
Deformati...03:47
henno:)03:47
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DeformatiHmm.03:56
DeformatiScratchbox still doesn't work.03:57
DeformatiRushPL: did you ever get scratchbox working?03:57
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bob__very very quiet.04:00
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DeformatiBleh.04:02
DeformatiI cannot get scratchbox working04:02
bob__i know nothing, but isnt there a vmware image somewhere?04:02
DeformatiOh, I need vdso, damn04:03
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hennoPKGBUILD, here we come...04:05
henno:]04:05
DeformatiI have a simple pkgbuild for it,.04:06
DeformatiBut I need vdso in the kernel.04:06
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hennoDeformati: what does vdso achieve?04:12
DeformatiDunno, but the intarweb says that is the fix.04:13
hennoVirtual Dynamically Shared Object04:14
hennoso I assume it is a quasi-filesystem that is loaded into memory/kernel space/something04:15
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DeformatiSure, but I don't wanna recompile the kernel.04:17
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DeformatiBleh.04:19
DeformatiDamnit.04:19
DeformatiThis is ridiculous.04:19
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pupnikvdso?04:26
_Monkeysomebody said vdso was http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions04:26
pupnikactually i think that wiki is wrong04:26
pupniknothing to see here... move along...04:26
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henno"At least Fedora core kernels seem to have this option on. It breaks Scratchbox. You cannot even install SB with this option on."04:32
henno^^ vdso04:32
hennoso I am lost04:33
pauliukasI'm trying to install Canola, and the install froze. What to do?04:33
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pauliukasIs it going to kill me 770?04:33
hennopauliukas: I had the same issue just last night04:33
pauliukasyeah?04:33
pauliukasAnd what's the fix?04:33
hennoI left it, it crashed, I uninstalled it, it crashed. I rebooted, and everything has been ok since04:34
hennohere's hoping04:34
pauliukashah04:34
hennoI have relegated canola to the dustbin of my life for now04:34
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DeformatiWell.04:36
DeformatiI am going to have to compile a custom kernel.04:36
DeformatiI hate that.04:36
DeformatiSo much.04:36
pauliukask04:36
DeformatiI haven't compiled a kernel in over a year.04:36
RushPLDeformati: you missed a lot, there were great new features.04:39
DeformatiI don't care.04:40
DeformatiIt's plenty usable without.04:40
DeformatiI like using the standard archlinux kernel.04:40
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saaibIs Perl included in th 2006 OS? if so , what version it is?05:09
hennoI don't think it is, at least it does not appear to be on mine05:21
bedboiot: anyone knows if it is possible to have a complete dependency graph in doxygen?05:31
bedboii mean considering ALL the sources in a tree05:31
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DeformatiUgh, damnit, I cannot find vdso in the kernel configuration.05:51
hennoDeformati: tell me about it, the first thing I did was grep around my .config before I asked what the hell it was05:53
DeformatiHmm.05:55
DeformatiThis is stupid.05:55
DeformatiI need to recompile my kernel for a development kit.05:55
hennoso you have to disable the vdso?05:58
DeformatiEnable05:58
hennoare you sure? according to the wiki, it says you cannot even install SB with that option enabled in the kernel05:59
hennohttp://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions#head-182357e92799a6726a316007b64e1cd6453a4d8806:00
Deformatihttp://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2006-July/000596.html06:00
DeformatiInteresting06:01
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hennowhat is interesting is the small number of references to enabling vdso in the kernel06:04
hennoin fact, I cannot find one discussion about it06:04
DeformatiMe either.06:04
DeformatiQuite confusing.06:05
hennoaccording to this book, it is enabled by default06:07
hennohttp://books.google.com/books?id=1rFLGKO0dywC&pg=PA94&dq=vdso&sig=lEvB3DtdAVUfixlgm7wSI7rSLaw#PPA94,M106:07
DeformatiThis is so confusing.06:07
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hennothis looks promising06:09
hennohttp://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_18#head-d436870fd6bb7290add540e62b52641196dbe17906:09
henno"here is a new vdso=[0|1] boot option as well, and a runtime /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled sysctl switch, that allows the VDSO to be turned on/off"06:09
hennomight not require a kernel reconfig06:09
DeformatiWell, I am going to sleep now.06:17
DeformatiGoing to try again tomorrow.06:17
DeformatiShould have my 770 by tomorrow hopefully.06:17
Deformati:)06:17
saaibDeformati, have you tried: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso06:20
saaib?06:20
DeformatiNo such directory.06:21
saaibwhat distro are you using?06:22
Deformatiarch06:22
DeformatiNow, really sleep.06:23
DeformatiHeh.06:23
DeformatiGnight.06:23
saaibDeformati, what about: sysctl -A | grep vdso06:24
saaib?06:24
saaibn806:24
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hennosaaib: I can confirm that on arch, sysctl -A | grep vdso returns "vm.vdso_enabled = 1"06:37
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hennosometimes tor just plain sucks06:53
hennos/tor/freenode/06:53
infobothenno meant: sometimes freenode just plain sucks06:53
hennowhat a lovely feature :)06:53
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JaffaMorning, all10:53
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JaffaWTF's happened with all of handful's posts on planet?11:10
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AD-N770good morning11:35
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relay_humanHello colleges12:48
relay_humancan someone help me with some MMC boot problem12:48
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relay_humanWhen I boot from MMC load my Desktop but with some very simple and gray theme and after 2-3 min reboots12:52
relay_humanI make MMC boot before 2-3 mounts but now I can't and I use same how to12:52
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lardmanmorning13:21
_Monkeyaloha13:21
celestehgreetings13:21
lardmanderf: My apologies for besmirching the Tremor headers, was my #define, plus after switching away from lowmem-nobyte on the ARM side my code compiled pretty much straight away13:24
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lardmanIf code has a BSD-like licence, does that mean it can be released in binary form without source?13:36
* lardman looks at the Tremor COPYING file13:36
fatal-yes, but the original bsd license requires mentioning the original authors here and there13:37
fatal-the later variants don't require that13:37
lardmanokay, I need to work out if I can release some code13:38
janithats what microsoft did =)13:38
janisome of the commandline tools network tools in atleast earlier windows versions where using bsd counterparts ..13:39
lardmanodd licence, I suppose it means that code is quickly accepted and used though13:40
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Veggenlardman: Different fiilosophies - BSD-license-people value getting the code used as much as possible, GPL-license-people value keeping the code free (including free from hijacking).13:49
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lardmanYep13:50
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VeggenThe GPL-license-peoples fair is that someone (i.e. Microsoft) can take BSD code, make non-subtle changes, and releasing their own closed version, but because of their market position being able to be the de facto standard version.13:50
lardmanI can understand that Xiph would want their code to be BSD-like so that people will actually go away and use it13:50
lardmanAh, I see what you mean13:50
lardmanOh well13:51
Veggeneh, s/fair/fear/13:51
gomiamVeggen, it's not that they fear. It just happens it's been done once and again.13:52
Veggenwell, sure.13:52
VeggenI'm pretty neutral when it comes to licenses. I'd guess it'd depend on the application in question.13:52
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gomiamyeah, me too. I usually favor GPL, thought13:53
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gomiamI've seen first-hand what not understanding the community concept brings: "we'll make our version and sort our problems out"13:53
gomiama fork isn't necessarilly bad, but it didn't make any sense13:54
gomiam"our competitor might take advantage of our code"13:54
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gomiamI don't remember if MPL requires you to share your modifications of the code with your clients/users/whatever13:55
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derflardman: Glad to hear.13:55
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lardmanAnyone from Nokia here? I do stand by my question, the other day, of why Carman is and has been the only featured Garage project displayed on the maemo.org page14:15
lardmanshouldn't this rotate so that other projects get exposure? Or is it that to be rotated in there the other projects need something special (special little page/icon/etc.)?14:16
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gla55_possibly they forgot to assign a guy to be responsible for changing that14:24
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lardmanit's not all that important, would just be nice to have a change of scenery from time to time14:26
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gomiamreal as life: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ14:27
gomiam(the horrors of user support)14:28
bherrmannI might want to rebuild Xomap to allow a USB mouse to work with my 770.   Anybody been there?14:28
lardmangomiam: nice :)14:31
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lardmanbherrmann: As no-one else has answered, I'd grab the source package from the maemo repo, then extract it, patch whatever you need to (some configure option I imagine) then rebuild14:40
bherrmannyea, I think I'm heading that way14:41
bherrmannAnd I did have scratchbox set up once14:41
bherrmannbut I'm a big removed from the day to day experince of grabbing the source and tweaking14:41
bherrmannbut that looks like the path I will need to take.14:41
bherrmannSomebody else already got the bluetooth mouse working via some patches14:42
bherrmannso I have that as a guide.14:42
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lardman_hmm14:43
bherrmannThey had to tweak both the kernel and Xomap, http://thelemming.org.uk/maemo/btmice/maemo_mouse_readme.txt14:43
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lardman_ask nicely?14:43
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lardman|aargbloody remote desktop14:44
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lardmanbherrmann: Seems that the instructions are reasonable straight-forward in any case14:47
lardmanthough I'd try grabbing all of the packages from the maemo repo if possible, they may have been added since that doc was written14:48
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bherrmanntrue enough.14:48
relay_humancan someone help me with some MMC boot problem14:51
lardmanrelay_human: ask and see what you get14:51
relay_humanWhen I boot from MMC load my Desktop but with some very simple and gray theme and after 2-3 min reboots14:51
relay_humanI make MMC boot before 2-3 mounts but now I can't and I use same how to14:51
relay_humani use GNU tar14:51
relay_humaneverything from Original MAEMO how to boot from MMC14:52
lardmancan you use the device before it reboots?14:52
lardmanor is it locked?14:52
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lardmanlocked-up14:52
relay_humanyes14:53
relay_humanbut some programs Quit14:54
relay_humanand the Theme is very simple14:54
relay_humanit's not like shod be14:54
relay_humanIt is ugly14:54
lardmanI was wondering if you have some corruption that has killed the files used by the themes14:54
relay_humanI reflash it14:54
relay_humanand make it from clean Os14:54
lardmancurious that it takes so long before it decides to reboot though14:55
lardmanI would, also run fsck on that mmc14:55
relay_humanI format it before make anything14:55
relay_humanwho can make such problem14:57
relay_humancan it comes from very big partition14:57
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relay_humanagain14:59
relay_humanruh FS check but nothing14:59
lardmanno idea15:00
relay_humanWhen boot when see NOKIA logo down is's booting with blue ...15:00
relay_humanwhen go in the middle MOUSE is coming15:00
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relay_humanlardman15:17
relay_humanI make it15:17
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lardmanrelay_human: Fixed? Good good15:30
relay_humanYes15:30
relay_humanIt comes from Partitions15:30
relay_humani don't know why but when resize it with 300MB for Fat 16 works15:31
lardmanrelay_human: If you're booting from something it ought to be ext215:31
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bherrmannHumm.  The keyboard doesnt pop up on my HE 2007 anymore...  why would that be?16:55
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bherrmannI did have a usb keyboard hooked up... but the keyboard doesn't show up even after it's disconnected, and I've rebooted it16:57
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bherrmannok, wack... another reboot made it happy....17:19
fer__hello17:20
fer__anyone here with Navicore?17:20
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bherrmannsheesh, keyboard works, but now xterm doesnt start17:23
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Vertoohey, can anyone give me a link to an emulater for old roms for my n800? something that can plat gba or snes would be nice17:46
erstaziVertoo: a few people have NES emulators but I don't know where at17:48
erstazis/NES/SNES/17:49
infoboterstazi meant: Vertoo: a few people have SNES emulators but I don't know where at17:49
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Vertoomeh, at least i know one exists now. thanks, off to google17:49
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bherrmannI liked the xmame emulator, suprised that it worked so well... for pacman anyway18:05
fer__there's even a PS1 and amiga emulator on the net !!!18:05
fer__just proof of concept.. because they're slow..18:05
fer__2fps or so..18:05
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twobithackerthe scummvm port works nicely, especially since they're all point and click games, no need to type or hit buttons18:09
trucool, do you have a url to the scummvm port?18:09
bherrmannWhich scummvm game is the best demo?18:10
gla55_dunno.. day of the tentacle?18:11
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twobithackerdott is the only one I've played so far18:15
twobithackerhttp://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/18:15
gla55_i played maniac mansion18:15
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gla55_which reminds me..18:15
gla55_does the maniac mansion inside dott work in scummvm?18:16
twobithackerit ought to, but I haven't tried it18:16
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bherrmannHumm.  Why would xterm refuse to start I wonder... I guess I will have to just reflash... sheesh....18:19
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bherrmannfor HE 2007, does anybody have a happy "sources.list" or a script that they use "post flash" to apt-get a bunch of things (like xterm)?18:30
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bherrmannI guess there is a chicken and egg situation there, you can't run a script too easily until you have xterm already on the device18:32
bherrmannI wonder is there a "developer tools" bin file that already has most things a developer might want already installed?  (ie. say python, xterm, application launcher, etc..)18:33
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konttoriWell, I think it's really not that much trouble to install them one by one18:44
konttoriIt might be cool to have a page that has .install links to them all.18:44
konttorithen you could just click click click and you'd have all that done18:44
`0660too many clicks!18:46
`0660:)18:46
bherrmannYea, I guess I can put osso-xterm on my external flash, then install that by hand, then run a script which updates sources.list, and then does apt-get to get the packages that I feel "I need"18:48
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bherrmannWhats the deal with sardine is it being used?18:55
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Blacksitoxhi :)19:02
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saaibmorning all19:36
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syraxxlhi to all19:43
* sp3000 is amused19:43
syraxxli have problem with my n80019:43
sp3000I can't upgrade openssh-client/server :)19:43
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syraxxli can't connet to internet /wifi an bt/19:46
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[31d1]i can't believe no one compiled diff20:05
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[31d1]except me20:18
syraxxlhow can i return n800 to factori settings RD wint winXP20:18
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milhousesyraxxl: reflash it20:32
milhouseusing the Nokia update wizard20:32
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Daniellionhiya jnettlet20:52
jnettlethey20:52
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DaniellionIm from cambridge21:02
Daniellioni see your MA inet hostmask21:03
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syraxxlit running21:07
syraxxl10x21:07
syraxxlbye to all21:07
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bherrmannWhere is libxau ?21:13
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bherrmannmeaning, what package is libxau0 in, or where in the http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/ tree is it21:13
pupnikrepositories?21:14
_Monkeyrepositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories  and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php21:14
pupniksearch index21:14
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bherrmannHumm... the search engine says it is in the repository, but it doesnt show me where in the repo is the .dep that  has it21:18
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pupnikpool/maemo2.2/free/x/xau/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb21:22
bherrmannthx ... yea I just googled it too... http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb21:23
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pupniki used apt-cache show libxau021:23
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Tu13eswhere is the Documents folder and such?21:40
Tu13eslike in the CLI21:41
CardinalFang~/.documents or something like that?21:41
Tu13esthat doesn't appear to show anything21:42
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Daniellionhmm /home/user mabye21:43
Daniellionor /media/mmc221:43
Tu13eshmm21:44
Tu13escant seem to find anything in any of those21:44
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Daniellionhmm21:44
Daniellionwhat are you looking for your personal documents folder?21:44
Tu13esim just trying to find, like, the directory structure thats in File Manager and stuff21:44
Daniellionor is it on the memory card21:44
jufo~/MyDocs/.documents/21:44
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dhdfoohey, I'm trying to install Sardine on my N800 and it's acting rather strangely21:45
Tu13esjufo is the winnar21:45
Daniellionhmm are you on a 800 or 770?21:45
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Tu13esn80021:45
Daniellionmine i found under /home/user/MyDocs21:46
Daniellionim on a 770 thoguh21:46
dhdfooI enabled RD mode and turned on the no-lifeguard-reset and it doesn't seem to want to boot fully21:46
dhdfooit will show the "wrench" screen with the kernel version, sit there for a while, then show the "battery" icon forever, or it will boot to the home screen, then shut down randomly a minute later21:47
dhdfooI haven't even gotten to the part about installing the boot selector and Sardine :(21:47
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dhdfooyeah, now it's rebooting endlessly21:49
dhdfooI guess I have to reflash it or something21:50
dhdfoois there a reset switch on the device somewhere or do I have to pull the battery?21:51
Tu13eshow do I install a .deb file I have downloaded?21:51
dhdfoodpkg -i foo.deb21:51
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Tu13esthanks21:51
Tu13esdhdfoo: just pull the battery21:51
Tu13esor hold the power switch a very long time maybe21:51
Tu13esif its just an app that's frozen up you can hold the esc/back button for a while to foce quit it or something21:52
Tu13eshmm: dpkg: error processing openvpn_2.0.2-2_arm.deb (--install):21:52
Tu13es package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel)21:52
[31d1]also you can click on the .deb in file manager and it will open in application installer21:52
[31d1]you got an 800 package and youre on a 770 i think21:52
Tu13esi'm on an n80021:53
Tu13esbut i suppose that could be the issue21:53
dhdfoothat is probably a package from debian-arm21:53
dhdfoothey are not compatible21:53
dhdfooit needs to be _armel.deb21:53
Tu13eshm21:53
Tu13esI'm following this and it told me to do that http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installopenvpn21:53
dhdfoo#!@$ okay I guess I will just reflash the damn N80021:55
dhdfooI don't know what I did to it to make it go into endless reboot mode21:55
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pupnikred-pill mode is generally not a good thing21:56
pupnikif you are enabling red-pill mode to be able to install libraries from the application manager... you shouldn't be in red pill mode21:57
Daniellioni wish we could use the flasher util to back up not just restore21:57
Daniellionim sure nokia has a way to make the builds21:57
pupnikgood point21:57
pupnikit is easy to back-up the system if you boot from mmc21:57
Daniellionthat way we could back up all the system as a snapshot then restore it if we messed it up21:57
pupnikyes that is what i do21:58
Daniellionhmm21:58
pupnikmake periodic system backups21:58
Daniellionbut does it back up everything or just a file backup21:58
pupnikbacks up the whole filesystem21:58
Daniellioni want all my added on programs and config fiels etc21:58
pupnikyes21:58
Daniellionhmm21:58
Daniellionok how?21:58
pupnikmultiboot?21:58
_Monkeyhmmm... multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card21:58
Daniellionis there a tut on it?21:58
dhdfoothat page seems pretty good21:59
pupnikthat's part of it - it needs the full tutorial21:59
dhdfoothis is a stupid question, but which flasher flag do I use to reflash the ITOS2007 image?21:59
dhdfooI can't for the life of me find the upgrade instructions on the website21:59
dhdfooI've done this before but can't remember what kind of image it is22:00
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dhdfoowhat a pain in the ass, now I have to reinstall ssh and so on22:07
erstazidhdfoo: the flasher should be on the nokia's website22:08
dhdfooyeah I found it22:08
dhdfoohttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?22:08
dhdfoothat is the page I was looking for22:08
Daniellionyeah22:08
Daniellionthats why i wanted to back it up eheh22:08
dhdfoohey, for ssh, is it recommended to use the openssh package, or dropbear?22:10
dhdfoobecause the former requires red-pill mode22:11
dhdfoowhich is irritating22:11
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DeformativeRushPL!  IT CAME!!!22:13
dhdfoooh, my mistake, it's a "one click install" now, cool!22:13
Tu13esanyonw know why I'm getting "incompatible application package" on something that's built for an n800?22:14
DeformativeUgh.22:14
DeformativeI think the screen might be damaged.22:14
dhdfooI've had the touchscreen go wacky on me, and rebooting fixed it...22:15
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DeformativeIs the right side of the screen always slightly darker?22:20
DeformativeAnd is the color white a bit grainy?22:20
DeformativeI figure it is because it is a touchscreen.22:20
bherrmanndropbear or openssh, anybody have an opionion?22:22
sbzi use dropbear, it's really necessary22:26
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sbzopenssh is to big for embbeded devince (just my opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ...22:27
cosmodropbear doesn't have sftp or x-forwarding afaik..22:29
[31d1]i use openssh cause accept no substitutes22:29
[31d1]does dropbear have ssh-keygen and .ssh/config  and all that good stuff?22:29
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DeformativeIs there an irc client on the 770?22:37
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sbzDeformative: xchat22:38
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sbz[31d1]: i don't know22:38
[31d1]word - i <3 openssh so i installed it no matter how big it is22:39
Deformativesbz: I mean that comes preinstalled.22:39
DeformativeI guess not.22:39
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[31d1]Deformative: there isn't22:39
sbzcosmo: dropbear support xfowarding, but it's foolish to compare THE BEST OF WORLD ssh client and a little embbeded client, sur openssh is the best, it is on BSD Licence :)22:39
sbzDeformative: you can reattach your screen over ssh for example, it works well :)22:40
sbzwhen you use an irc console client22:41
DeformativeIt doesn't have a terminal installed by default?22:41
DeformativeWeak.22:41
sbzyou need to install osso-xterm from bora maemo-hackers repository22:42
[31d1]nah - someone needs to port rxvt lol22:42
DeformativeI already said that.22:42
DeformativeThat will be my first thing I do.22:42
[31d1]hence my lol22:43
DeformativeThis is a very cool device.22:44
DeformativeNeeds a longer lasting battery, but still cool.22:44
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[31d1]im almost glad of how crappy 770 is out of the box - cause if it was better without having to hack on it they wouldnt be so cheap maybe22:45
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[31d1]oh Deformative your jawn came in the mail today?22:45
DeformativeYes.22:45
[31d1]battery lasts pretty long in my experience22:45
DeformativeHas anyone modded the chat program to include irc and aol?22:46
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killfillhey22:46
DeformativeI read it only last about 3 hours.22:46
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killfilli just installed canola 1.0beta2.22:46
[31d1]maybe not compared to newer stuff22:46
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[31d1]it lasts a long time in standby22:46
killfilland i see the same gui as the old one. is this ok?...22:46
sbzDeformative: nokia n770|800 is very very very cool22:46
killfillwansnt canola switching to efl?..22:46
[31d1]the port of gaim has irc22:46
DeformativeWhy didn't they improve the existing client?22:47
DeformativeIt seems alright.22:47
[31d1]meh i dunno i am irssi 4 life22:47
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sbzDeformative: irssi works on armel too22:47
k-s[WORK]killfill: it is22:47
k-s[WORK]killfill: but we'll release it late December22:47
k-s[WORK]xmas gift22:48
k-s[WORK]:-D22:48
killfillk-s[WORK]: aah, so the beta2 is an upgrade, but without the new stuff22:49
killfillhehe22:49
DeformativeHmm.22:49
k-s[WORK]new version with efl will be a total rewrite22:49
DeformativeDoes anyone know if gmail works with the nokia email manager?22:49
k-s[WORK]killfill: in python for our mental healt22:49
DeformativeOr should I just remove the email manager, if possible22:49
k-s[WORK]health22:49
[31d1]there's some way t hook it up22:49
[31d1]but gmail itself works fine in the browser22:50
killfillthought beta2 was the rewrite..  :)22:50
[31d1]there's a port of mutt that's slammin' once you turn on mouse-enabled22:50
Deformative[31d1]: But gmail in browser doesn't still work without internet.22:50
[31d1]yeah true22:51
[31d1]just never leave the house and you will always have internets!22:51
killfillk-s[WORK]: isnt there a hidden binary of that efl thingy somewhere?..22:52
k-s[WORK]killfill: I provide EFL packages at my website22:52
k-s[WORK]killfill: maemo-efl.garage.maemo.org22:52
sbzDeformative: yes gmail works good22:52
[31d1]google reader - not so much :(22:53
k-s[WORK]this is the website of the project, with link to my repository... Ed (from Nokia) is doing better packages and we'll use his package later22:53
killfillk-s[WORK]: and a canola of that branch?22:53
k-s[WORK]yep22:53
killfilloh well its python.. i could just get the source of it.. where is it?22:53
k-s[WORK]killfill: source of what?22:54
killfillcanola efl edition..22:54
k-s[WORK]killfill: canola is still (unfortunatelly) closed source :-/22:54
killfillaAaa22:54
killfill:S22:54
k-s[WORK]killfill: we develop it internally at INdT22:54
k-s[WORK]killfill: so far we're working on base components, like EFL... I'm doing python-efl, cmarcelo does python-etk22:55
[31d1]all i want for xmas is flash922:56
k-s[WORK][31d1]: that's another company22:56
k-s[WORK]:-D22:56
[31d1]heh22:56
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killfillmy car-radios were stoled 4 time in total..22:57
killfilli wont buy any car-radio in my live again...22:57
proctobeen*22:57
proctough22:57
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proctoI was asking if anyone had luck with the headset profile22:57
killfillso my xmas preset _is_ canola efl.. :P22:58
proctodoes the version of bluez installing by that install.sh include it even?22:58
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Nermaldo any ad block solutions work in opera on the n800 - or is there a built in one in opera ?23:06
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dhdfoostill trying to install Sardine here ...23:08
dhdfoothis page http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card indicates that I can download tar using apt-get -d install23:08
dhdfoobut ... it doesn't seem to be in any repositories that apt knows about23:09
dhdfooor rather it says "selecting busybox instead of tar"23:09
dhdfoothe alternate method is to use rsync - that's the package that does not seem to exist according to apt23:10
dhdfooAND this is way out of date: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog#89a4551b0f29c1a652648b1cb874702123:13
dhdfoookay never mind I just downloaded the debian-armel binary23:17
dhdfooI will edit the HOWTO page to mention that you probably want to do this23:17
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DeformativeCan I modify the home desktop?23:23
dhdfoooh, lovely, that actually does not work either23:23
trevarthanno clue if anyone cares, but I just built a test .deb of libvisual for the n800. You can get it here: http://www.guardiani.us/libvisual-0.4-0_0.4.0-1.1_armel.deb23:24
dhdfoofine I will just #@$ compile tar myself in scratchbox23:24
trevarthanthinking about using libvisual in Kagu. :)23:24
trevarthanthanks to k-s[WORK] for the info.23:24
DeformativeCan I modify the home desktop?23:26
Nermalin what way ?23:27
Nermalyou can add and remove thingies and change the background23:27
Nermalor plonk KDE on an SD card :)23:27
DeformativeHow can I remove things and change the background?23:27
Nermalnot sure - I'll find out tomorrow23:28
NermalI presume there is a nice preferences thing in the control panel23:28
DeformativeFound it.23:28
DeformativeNope.23:28
DeformativeIt is in the menu for home.23:28
Nermalah :)23:28
* Nermal will flash his n800 when it arrives with the philip langdale SDHC kernel to hopefully avoid nuking his new 4gb card23:29
Nermal:S23:29
killfillhey guys.. how do you umount a sd card?..23:31
killfillcurrently im loggin in and umount /... it..23:31
twobithackerAnyone have some pointers on getting a script to run when a wifi connection is established?23:31
pupnikinteresting questions...23:32
pupniktwobithacker: maybe in /etc/network if-up.d23:33
twobithackereverything I've read says that doesn't work for wifi, just for pppd connections23:33
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Nermalkillfill: is there no "eject" option23:34
pupniktwobithacker: you can install load-applet-run and start any script manually23:34
Nermalthat usually syncs and unmounts things23:34
twobithackeryeah, that work if I mess with some permissions. basically I'm just looking to run ntpdate when I get a connection23:35
killfillNermal: yup.. i miss that. i think pluggin my sdch in/out makes my memories broke.. i already broke two.. :P23:36
Nermalkillfill: I read about that on the itt forums - which is why I'm going to patch mine when it arrives and only use the internal slot for now23:37
Nermalseems to affect a lot of people23:37
killfilli should read that forums.. :P23:37
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twobithackerlooks like I should be looking into dbus stuff to do what I want23:40
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[31d1]twobithacker: im interested in that too - to run a dyndns script23:49
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[31d1]and /etc/network/init.d just comes up on boot - not via wireless23:49
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[31d1]currently i just have a script cronned every so often that checks iwconfig to see if theres a wlan before running anything23:50
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bedboianyone knows a library that extracts symbols from an ELF?23:54
unique311anyone using videocenter?23:59
unique311notice it doesn't play all vlogs.23:59

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