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| unique311 | i finally figured out how to play sudoku, Not a big fan of reading instructions... | 00:31 |
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| unique311 | yeah, everyone celebrate | 00:31 |
| * celesteh celebrates | 00:31 | |
| unique311 | cool | 00:32 |
| unique311 | k, now i need sudoku for the n800 | 00:32 |
| * celesteh drinks too much champagne | 00:32 | |
| celesteh | i found it last night | 00:32 |
| celesteh | i forget where | 00:32 |
| celesteh | not totally happy with it | 00:32 |
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| unique311 | i can finally give up my addiction to solitaire on the n800 | 00:33 |
| celesteh | it would be nice to have a version that let you choose things like difficulty level. i haven't done a serious search yet, because if i follow the siren song of sudoku, that's baaaad | 00:34 |
| * celesteh clutches n800 constantly, stops bathing, stops sleeping | 00:34 | |
| unique311 | if i find anything i'll let you know. | 00:34 |
| unique311 | hopefully i can find something that easily ports to maemo | 00:35 |
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| unique311 | gpe-sudoku, maemo-sudoku | 00:38 |
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| celesteh | i think i got the gpe. it is not great | 00:40 |
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| toed | is it possible for the touchscreen of my 770 to have a small deadzone in the middle? not quite sure how the technology works | 01:10 |
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| pupnik | yes toed | 01:18 |
| toed | I guess I'll have to send it back | 01:18 |
| pupnik | you can test it with a sketch program | 01:19 |
| toed | that's what I was doing, but since it's in dead center I was thinking it might be a bug or something | 01:19 |
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| pupnik | haven't heard of any software issues that would explain that | 01:20 |
| toed | wishful thinking :) | 01:22 |
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| Deformati | Anyone around | 02:14 |
| Deformati | ? | 02:14 |
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| saaib | lonely day I guess | 02:16 |
| Deformati | Indeed. | 02:17 |
| Deformati | Everything went perfect. | 02:17 |
| Deformati | Except I didn't get my 770 yet. | 02:17 |
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| Deformati | Can anyone help me with scratchbox? | 02:19 |
| Deformati | When I try to login I get major ld.so error. | 02:20 |
| saaib | Argh! my 770 is Awaiting parts | 02:20 |
| Deformati | saaib: Can you help me with scratchbox? | 02:21 |
| saaib | Deformati, did you run all the steps? | 02:21 |
| Deformati | As far as I know. | 02:21 |
| Deformati | I am following the tutorial. | 02:21 |
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| Deformati | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c bla bla bla | 02:22 |
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| Deformati | Hmm, now after reboot it says "scratchbox is not properly setup!" | 02:26 |
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| Blacksitox | hi | 02:28 |
| saaib | Deformati, probably you didn't run an ldconfig somewhere? | 02:30 |
| Deformati | The tutorial never said that. | 02:31 |
| saaib | did you run the run me first script? | 02:31 |
| Deformati | Yes. | 02:31 |
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| saaib | Deformati, are you doing your scratchbox manually? | 02:37 |
| saaib | or using rpm/deb? | 02:37 |
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| Deformati | Manually | 02:38 |
| henno | Deformati: if you are installing yoru scratchbox on arch, let me know how you go as well as any 'gotchas' | 02:38 |
| henno | I am looking to do the same very soon | 02:38 |
| Deformati | I might make a pkgbuild at some point. | 02:39 |
| Deformati | But not yet. | 02:39 |
| Deformati | I need to get it working before I can make a pkgbuild. | 02:39 |
| Deformati | :) | 02:39 |
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| henno | I would be very interested in such a PKGBUILD | 02:39 |
| Deformati | My first goal will be to get GDC working on the 770 | 02:39 |
| henno | and rxvt :) | 02:40 |
| Deformati | That too. | 02:40 |
| henno | by the sounds of things you are quite partial to the D programming language | 02:40 |
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| Deformati | Yeah. | 02:41 |
| Deformati | I almost program in D exclusively, I do some functional programming like erlang and lisp on the side though. | 02:41 |
| Deformati | I am also planning on learning ARM asm | 02:41 |
| _Monkey | okay, Deformati. | 02:41 |
| procto | Yes! I was able to get the headset profile to connect to my bluetooth headset! | 02:42 |
| procto | that is, something other than a2dp | 02:42 |
| procto | however | 02:42 |
| procto | it's just garbage | 02:42 |
| Deformati | _Monkey: ? | 02:42 |
| _Monkey | deformati: no idea | 02:42 |
| procto | not playing anything yet :( | 02:42 |
| Deformati | henno: I would imagine you would enjoy D, there is a pretty large ratio of Archers in the D community,. | 02:43 |
| Deformati | That is, given that you already program. | 02:43 |
| procto | anyone been able to get the headset profile to work without a kernel patch? | 02:43 |
| Deformati | You do, don't you? | 02:43 |
| henno | Deformati: from what I have read, I think I would enjoy it | 02:44 |
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| henno | I am dabbling in python at the moent, but I have to admit I am struggling a little with a totally new paradigm | 02:44 |
| henno | D looks like a good compromise | 02:44 |
| Deformati | D has python bindings. | 02:45 |
| Deformati | That is, python can use D. | 02:45 |
| henno | yeah I noticed that | 02:45 |
| Deformati | Krik maintains that. | 02:45 |
| Deformati | I have never used it though. | 02:45 |
| Deformati | Not a big fan of python. | 02:46 |
| henno | in fact, that is how I first got a look at D | 02:46 |
| Deformati | yage3d.net --that is one of the projects I am working on | 02:46 |
| Deformati | And also slate project, but slate is too young for me to say anything about it really. | 02:47 |
| henno | Deformati: I thought all lisp programmers liked python :) | 02:48 |
| henno | it is like some sort of rule of interpretted languages is it not :) | 02:48 |
| Deformati | Well, I am not a lisp programmer, I just play with it, because it's interesting/fun, but it is definitely not suitable for real projects in my opinion. | 02:49 |
| henno | well that pretty much reflect my interest in python at this stage | 02:49 |
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| henno | i find it very easy to hack around in existing codebases, but to start from scratch, I am lost | 02:50 |
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| Deformati | Do you know any C syntax language? | 02:50 |
| pauliukas | So we've all seen Digg. | 02:50 |
| pauliukas | Any negatives about it? | 02:50 |
| pauliukas | http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/09/kde-on-it.html | 02:50 |
| henno | Deformati: yes, I am more familiar with C syntax than any other programming 'style' | 02:52 |
| henno | gimme braces and semi-colons dammit :) | 02:52 |
| procto | c-style = algol style | 02:52 |
| Deformati | What C language(s) do you know? | 02:52 |
| henno | Deformati: I am fluent in none, but familiar with C++ above anything else | 02:54 |
| henno | make no mistake though, I suck at it | 02:54 |
| henno | :) | 02:54 |
| Deformati | Ah, well, then you will love D. | 02:54 |
| Deformati | No one is good at C++ | 02:54 |
| Deformati | Except like, walter. | 02:54 |
| Deformati | C++ is an ugly beast. :) | 02:55 |
| erstazi | heh | 02:55 |
| henno | haha | 02:56 |
| erstazi | I always thought D was influenced by C++ | 02:56 |
| Deformati | Well. | 02:57 |
| Deformati | D fixes it. | 02:57 |
| Deformati | D has real object orientation. | 02:57 |
| Deformati | And nested functions. | 02:57 |
| Deformati | Delegates. | 02:57 |
| erstazi | yeah I have seen tidbits of D | 02:57 |
| Deformati | Perfect array classes. :) | 02:58 |
| erstazi | gdc on OS200X, I am not sure, I might have seen a package for it | 02:58 |
| erstazi | Deformati: do you have OS2006 or OS2007? | 02:58 |
| Deformati | Well, I have not received my 770 as of yet. | 02:58 |
| Deformati | RushPL and I plan to get gdc working on the 770, it shouldn't be too difficult. | 02:59 |
| erstazi | Deformati: what is your main distro that you use on a pc? | 03:00 |
| Deformati | Archlinux | 03:00 |
| henno | Deformati: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l | 03:00 |
| Deformati | Awesome. | 03:01 |
| erstazi | Deformati: well, scratchbox can be compiled from source | 03:01 |
| Deformati | Yeah. | 03:01 |
| erstazi | Deformati: and, the rootstraps and all that are easy to get | 03:01 |
| Deformati | I am going to try extracting the .deb first. | 03:01 |
| Deformati | Hmm, never heard of MichaelDominicK | 03:02 |
| erstazi | Deformati: that works | 03:02 |
| Deformati | Is there .rpms somewhere? | 03:02 |
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| erstazi | Deformati: I have seem them before but never used them | 03:03 |
| erstazi | Deformati: I only use scratchbox on debian | 03:03 |
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| henno | I have a debian box in the US, I might just take the easy option and install it there rather than muck with arch at this stage | 03:04 |
| * henno wonders wwhat's the fun in that | 03:05 | |
| erstazi | henno: heh, thats because you use arch too huh | 03:06 |
| henno | yup | 03:06 |
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| * RushPL wants his Nokia :-) | 03:17 | |
| Deformati | Me too. | 03:18 |
| Deformati | Especially if gdc works. | 03:18 |
| Deformati | I wonder if nokia will provide a gdc .deb | 03:18 |
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| erstazi | Deformati: don't think so | 03:22 |
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| erstazi | Deformati: I highly doubt it, but the maemo community will (: | 03:22 |
| Deformati | The guy that got it working on the 770 works for nokia. | 03:23 |
| erstazi | Deformati: ah | 03:23 |
| Deformati | The maemo community doesn't seem to have done much thus far. | 03:23 |
| erstazi | Deformati: did he post a howto? | 03:23 |
| Deformati | No. | 03:23 |
| erstazi | Deformati: well, supply and demand | 03:23 |
| Deformati | http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/gdc_nokia_arm-_-gnueabi_46720.html | 03:24 |
| pupnik | man i've been totally unproductive for a month now | 03:24 |
| Deformati | After I receive my 770 I will email him and try to get some support. | 03:26 |
| RushPL | Deformati: since Anders got it working on ARM, should be no different on Nokia. | 03:28 |
| Deformati | He did? | 03:29 |
| Deformati | Oh. | 03:29 |
| Deformati | I haven't been reading. | 03:29 |
| Deformati | Did you get scratchbox working? | 03:29 |
| Deformati | I keep getting ld.so errors. | 03:29 |
| Deformati | RushPL: ? | 03:30 |
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| Deformati | RushPL: we should make an alternate package management system. | 03:35 |
| Deformati | Because I REALLY do not like apt. | 03:35 |
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| henno | Deformati: now your talking crazy talk.. might as well make a whole other arm distro for the 770 while you are at it :) | 03:39 |
| Deformati | That's the idea. | 03:39 |
| Deformati | I am just thinking of more immediate needs. | 03:40 |
| Deformati | Slate project might be integrated. | 03:40 |
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| Deformati | The slate project will basically be an operating system minus kernel, like openstep, usable on several kernels, written entirely in D, direct syscalls interface. | 03:43 |
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| pupnik | I am going to write a new OS because i have issues with tar. | 03:47 |
| Deformati | ... | 03:47 |
| henno | :) | 03:47 |
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| Deformati | Hmm. | 03:56 |
| Deformati | Scratchbox still doesn't work. | 03:57 |
| Deformati | RushPL: did you ever get scratchbox working? | 03:57 |
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| bob__ | very very quiet. | 04:00 |
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| Deformati | Bleh. | 04:02 |
| Deformati | I cannot get scratchbox working | 04:02 |
| bob__ | i know nothing, but isnt there a vmware image somewhere? | 04:02 |
| Deformati | Oh, I need vdso, damn | 04:03 |
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| henno | PKGBUILD, here we come... | 04:05 |
| henno | :] | 04:05 |
| Deformati | I have a simple pkgbuild for it,. | 04:06 |
| Deformati | But I need vdso in the kernel. | 04:06 |
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| henno | Deformati: what does vdso achieve? | 04:12 |
| Deformati | Dunno, but the intarweb says that is the fix. | 04:13 |
| henno | Virtual Dynamically Shared Object | 04:14 |
| henno | so I assume it is a quasi-filesystem that is loaded into memory/kernel space/something | 04:15 |
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| Deformati | Sure, but I don't wanna recompile the kernel. | 04:17 |
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| Deformati | Bleh. | 04:19 |
| Deformati | Damnit. | 04:19 |
| Deformati | This is ridiculous. | 04:19 |
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| pupnik | vdso? | 04:26 |
| _Monkey | somebody said vdso was http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions | 04:26 |
| pupnik | actually i think that wiki is wrong | 04:26 |
| pupnik | nothing to see here... move along... | 04:26 |
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| henno | "At least Fedora core kernels seem to have this option on. It breaks Scratchbox. You cannot even install SB with this option on." | 04:32 |
| henno | ^^ vdso | 04:32 |
| henno | so I am lost | 04:33 |
| pauliukas | I'm trying to install Canola, and the install froze. What to do? | 04:33 |
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| pauliukas | Is it going to kill me 770? | 04:33 |
| henno | pauliukas: I had the same issue just last night | 04:33 |
| pauliukas | yeah? | 04:33 |
| pauliukas | And what's the fix? | 04:33 |
| henno | I left it, it crashed, I uninstalled it, it crashed. I rebooted, and everything has been ok since | 04:34 |
| henno | here's hoping | 04:34 |
| pauliukas | hah | 04:34 |
| henno | I have relegated canola to the dustbin of my life for now | 04:34 |
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| Deformati | Well. | 04:36 |
| Deformati | I am going to have to compile a custom kernel. | 04:36 |
| Deformati | I hate that. | 04:36 |
| Deformati | So much. | 04:36 |
| pauliukas | k | 04:36 |
| Deformati | I haven't compiled a kernel in over a year. | 04:36 |
| RushPL | Deformati: you missed a lot, there were great new features. | 04:39 |
| Deformati | I don't care. | 04:40 |
| Deformati | It's plenty usable without. | 04:40 |
| Deformati | I like using the standard archlinux kernel. | 04:40 |
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| saaib | Is Perl included in th 2006 OS? if so , what version it is? | 05:09 |
| henno | I don't think it is, at least it does not appear to be on mine | 05:21 |
| bedboi | ot: anyone knows if it is possible to have a complete dependency graph in doxygen? | 05:31 |
| bedboi | i mean considering ALL the sources in a tree | 05:31 |
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| Deformati | Ugh, damnit, I cannot find vdso in the kernel configuration. | 05:51 |
| henno | Deformati: tell me about it, the first thing I did was grep around my .config before I asked what the hell it was | 05:53 |
| Deformati | Hmm. | 05:55 |
| Deformati | This is stupid. | 05:55 |
| Deformati | I need to recompile my kernel for a development kit. | 05:55 |
| henno | so you have to disable the vdso? | 05:58 |
| Deformati | Enable | 05:58 |
| henno | are you sure? according to the wiki, it says you cannot even install SB with that option enabled in the kernel | 05:59 |
| henno | http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions#head-182357e92799a6726a316007b64e1cd6453a4d88 | 06:00 |
| Deformati | http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2006-July/000596.html | 06:00 |
| Deformati | Interesting | 06:01 |
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| henno | what is interesting is the small number of references to enabling vdso in the kernel | 06:04 |
| henno | in fact, I cannot find one discussion about it | 06:04 |
| Deformati | Me either. | 06:04 |
| Deformati | Quite confusing. | 06:05 |
| henno | according to this book, it is enabled by default | 06:07 |
| henno | http://books.google.com/books?id=1rFLGKO0dywC&pg=PA94&dq=vdso&sig=lEvB3DtdAVUfixlgm7wSI7rSLaw#PPA94,M1 | 06:07 |
| Deformati | This is so confusing. | 06:07 |
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| henno | this looks promising | 06:09 |
| henno | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_18#head-d436870fd6bb7290add540e62b52641196dbe179 | 06:09 |
| henno | "here is a new vdso=[0|1] boot option as well, and a runtime /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled sysctl switch, that allows the VDSO to be turned on/off" | 06:09 |
| henno | might not require a kernel reconfig | 06:09 |
| Deformati | Well, I am going to sleep now. | 06:17 |
| Deformati | Going to try again tomorrow. | 06:17 |
| Deformati | Should have my 770 by tomorrow hopefully. | 06:17 |
| Deformati | :) | 06:17 |
| saaib | Deformati, have you tried: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso | 06:20 |
| saaib | ? | 06:20 |
| Deformati | No such directory. | 06:21 |
| saaib | what distro are you using? | 06:22 |
| Deformati | arch | 06:22 |
| Deformati | Now, really sleep. | 06:23 |
| Deformati | Heh. | 06:23 |
| Deformati | Gnight. | 06:23 |
| saaib | Deformati, what about: sysctl -A | grep vdso | 06:24 |
| saaib | ? | 06:24 |
| saaib | n8 | 06:24 |
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| henno | saaib: I can confirm that on arch, sysctl -A | grep vdso returns "vm.vdso_enabled = 1" | 06:37 |
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| henno | sometimes tor just plain sucks | 06:53 |
| henno | s/tor/freenode/ | 06:53 |
| infobot | henno meant: sometimes freenode just plain sucks | 06:53 |
| henno | what a lovely feature :) | 06:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:53 |
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| Jaffa | WTF's happened with all of handful's posts on planet? | 11:10 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:35 |
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| relay_human | Hello colleges | 12:48 |
| relay_human | can someone help me with some MMC boot problem | 12:48 |
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| relay_human | When I boot from MMC load my Desktop but with some very simple and gray theme and after 2-3 min reboots | 12:52 |
| relay_human | I make MMC boot before 2-3 mounts but now I can't and I use same how to | 12:52 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:21 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 13:21 |
| celesteh | greetings | 13:21 |
| lardman | derf: My apologies for besmirching the Tremor headers, was my #define, plus after switching away from lowmem-nobyte on the ARM side my code compiled pretty much straight away | 13:24 |
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| lardman | If code has a BSD-like licence, does that mean it can be released in binary form without source? | 13:36 |
| * lardman looks at the Tremor COPYING file | 13:36 | |
| fatal- | yes, but the original bsd license requires mentioning the original authors here and there | 13:37 |
| fatal- | the later variants don't require that | 13:37 |
| lardman | okay, I need to work out if I can release some code | 13:38 |
| jani | thats what microsoft did =) | 13:38 |
| jani | some of the commandline tools network tools in atleast earlier windows versions where using bsd counterparts .. | 13:39 |
| lardman | odd licence, I suppose it means that code is quickly accepted and used though | 13:40 |
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| Veggen | lardman: Different fiilosophies - BSD-license-people value getting the code used as much as possible, GPL-license-people value keeping the code free (including free from hijacking). | 13:49 |
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| lardman | Yep | 13:50 |
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| Veggen | The GPL-license-peoples fair is that someone (i.e. Microsoft) can take BSD code, make non-subtle changes, and releasing their own closed version, but because of their market position being able to be the de facto standard version. | 13:50 |
| lardman | I can understand that Xiph would want their code to be BSD-like so that people will actually go away and use it | 13:50 |
| lardman | Ah, I see what you mean | 13:50 |
| lardman | Oh well | 13:51 |
| Veggen | eh, s/fair/fear/ | 13:51 |
| gomiam | Veggen, it's not that they fear. It just happens it's been done once and again. | 13:52 |
| Veggen | well, sure. | 13:52 |
| Veggen | I'm pretty neutral when it comes to licenses. I'd guess it'd depend on the application in question. | 13:52 |
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| gomiam | yeah, me too. I usually favor GPL, thought | 13:53 |
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| gomiam | I've seen first-hand what not understanding the community concept brings: "we'll make our version and sort our problems out" | 13:53 |
| gomiam | a fork isn't necessarilly bad, but it didn't make any sense | 13:54 |
| gomiam | "our competitor might take advantage of our code" | 13:54 |
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| gomiam | I don't remember if MPL requires you to share your modifications of the code with your clients/users/whatever | 13:55 |
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| derf | lardman: Glad to hear. | 13:55 |
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| lardman | Anyone from Nokia here? I do stand by my question, the other day, of why Carman is and has been the only featured Garage project displayed on the maemo.org page | 14:15 |
| lardman | shouldn't this rotate so that other projects get exposure? Or is it that to be rotated in there the other projects need something special (special little page/icon/etc.)? | 14:16 |
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| gla55_ | possibly they forgot to assign a guy to be responsible for changing that | 14:24 |
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| lardman | it's not all that important, would just be nice to have a change of scenery from time to time | 14:26 |
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| gomiam | real as life: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ | 14:27 |
| gomiam | (the horrors of user support) | 14:28 |
| bherrmann | I might want to rebuild Xomap to allow a USB mouse to work with my 770. Anybody been there? | 14:28 |
| lardman | gomiam: nice :) | 14:31 |
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| lardman | bherrmann: As no-one else has answered, I'd grab the source package from the maemo repo, then extract it, patch whatever you need to (some configure option I imagine) then rebuild | 14:40 |
| bherrmann | yea, I think I'm heading that way | 14:41 |
| bherrmann | And I did have scratchbox set up once | 14:41 |
| bherrmann | but I'm a big removed from the day to day experince of grabbing the source and tweaking | 14:41 |
| bherrmann | but that looks like the path I will need to take. | 14:41 |
| bherrmann | Somebody else already got the bluetooth mouse working via some patches | 14:42 |
| bherrmann | so I have that as a guide. | 14:42 |
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| lardman_ | hmm | 14:43 |
| bherrmann | They had to tweak both the kernel and Xomap, http://thelemming.org.uk/maemo/btmice/maemo_mouse_readme.txt | 14:43 |
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| lardman_ | ask nicely? | 14:43 |
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| lardman|aarg | bloody remote desktop | 14:44 |
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| lardman | bherrmann: Seems that the instructions are reasonable straight-forward in any case | 14:47 |
| lardman | though I'd try grabbing all of the packages from the maemo repo if possible, they may have been added since that doc was written | 14:48 |
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| bherrmann | true enough. | 14:48 |
| relay_human | can someone help me with some MMC boot problem | 14:51 |
| lardman | relay_human: ask and see what you get | 14:51 |
| relay_human | When I boot from MMC load my Desktop but with some very simple and gray theme and after 2-3 min reboots | 14:51 |
| relay_human | I make MMC boot before 2-3 mounts but now I can't and I use same how to | 14:51 |
| relay_human | i use GNU tar | 14:51 |
| relay_human | everything from Original MAEMO how to boot from MMC | 14:52 |
| lardman | can you use the device before it reboots? | 14:52 |
| lardman | or is it locked? | 14:52 |
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| lardman | locked-up | 14:52 |
| relay_human | yes | 14:53 |
| relay_human | but some programs Quit | 14:54 |
| relay_human | and the Theme is very simple | 14:54 |
| relay_human | it's not like shod be | 14:54 |
| relay_human | It is ugly | 14:54 |
| lardman | I was wondering if you have some corruption that has killed the files used by the themes | 14:54 |
| relay_human | I reflash it | 14:54 |
| relay_human | and make it from clean Os | 14:54 |
| lardman | curious that it takes so long before it decides to reboot though | 14:55 |
| lardman | I would, also run fsck on that mmc | 14:55 |
| relay_human | I format it before make anything | 14:55 |
| relay_human | who can make such problem | 14:57 |
| relay_human | can it comes from very big partition | 14:57 |
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| relay_human | again | 14:59 |
| relay_human | ruh FS check but nothing | 14:59 |
| lardman | no idea | 15:00 |
| relay_human | When boot when see NOKIA logo down is's booting with blue ... | 15:00 |
| relay_human | when go in the middle MOUSE is coming | 15:00 |
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| relay_human | lardman | 15:17 |
| relay_human | I make it | 15:17 |
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| lardman | relay_human: Fixed? Good good | 15:30 |
| relay_human | Yes | 15:30 |
| relay_human | It comes from Partitions | 15:30 |
| relay_human | i don't know why but when resize it with 300MB for Fat 16 works | 15:31 |
| lardman | relay_human: If you're booting from something it ought to be ext2 | 15:31 |
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| bherrmann | Humm. The keyboard doesnt pop up on my HE 2007 anymore... why would that be? | 16:55 |
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| bherrmann | I did have a usb keyboard hooked up... but the keyboard doesn't show up even after it's disconnected, and I've rebooted it | 16:57 |
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| bherrmann | ok, wack... another reboot made it happy.... | 17:19 |
| fer__ | hello | 17:20 |
| fer__ | anyone here with Navicore? | 17:20 |
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| bherrmann | sheesh, keyboard works, but now xterm doesnt start | 17:23 |
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| Vertoo | hey, can anyone give me a link to an emulater for old roms for my n800? something that can plat gba or snes would be nice | 17:46 |
| erstazi | Vertoo: a few people have NES emulators but I don't know where at | 17:48 |
| erstazi | s/NES/SNES/ | 17:49 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: Vertoo: a few people have SNES emulators but I don't know where at | 17:49 |
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| Vertoo | meh, at least i know one exists now. thanks, off to google | 17:49 |
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| bherrmann | I liked the xmame emulator, suprised that it worked so well... for pacman anyway | 18:05 |
| fer__ | there's even a PS1 and amiga emulator on the net !!! | 18:05 |
| fer__ | just proof of concept.. because they're slow.. | 18:05 |
| fer__ | 2fps or so.. | 18:05 |
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| twobithacker | the scummvm port works nicely, especially since they're all point and click games, no need to type or hit buttons | 18:09 |
| tru | cool, do you have a url to the scummvm port? | 18:09 |
| bherrmann | Which scummvm game is the best demo? | 18:10 |
| gla55_ | dunno.. day of the tentacle? | 18:11 |
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| twobithacker | dott is the only one I've played so far | 18:15 |
| twobithacker | http://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/ | 18:15 |
| gla55_ | i played maniac mansion | 18:15 |
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| gla55_ | which reminds me.. | 18:15 |
| gla55_ | does the maniac mansion inside dott work in scummvm? | 18:16 |
| twobithacker | it ought to, but I haven't tried it | 18:16 |
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| bherrmann | Humm. Why would xterm refuse to start I wonder... I guess I will have to just reflash... sheesh.... | 18:19 |
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| bherrmann | for HE 2007, does anybody have a happy "sources.list" or a script that they use "post flash" to apt-get a bunch of things (like xterm)? | 18:30 |
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| bherrmann | I guess there is a chicken and egg situation there, you can't run a script too easily until you have xterm already on the device | 18:32 |
| bherrmann | I wonder is there a "developer tools" bin file that already has most things a developer might want already installed? (ie. say python, xterm, application launcher, etc..) | 18:33 |
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| konttori | Well, I think it's really not that much trouble to install them one by one | 18:44 |
| konttori | It might be cool to have a page that has .install links to them all. | 18:44 |
| konttori | then you could just click click click and you'd have all that done | 18:44 |
| `0660 | too many clicks! | 18:46 |
| `0660 | :) | 18:46 |
| bherrmann | Yea, I guess I can put osso-xterm on my external flash, then install that by hand, then run a script which updates sources.list, and then does apt-get to get the packages that I feel "I need" | 18:48 |
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| bherrmann | Whats the deal with sardine is it being used? | 18:55 |
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| saaib | morning all | 19:36 |
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| syraxxl | hi to all | 19:43 |
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| syraxxl | i have problem with my n800 | 19:43 |
| sp3000 | I can't upgrade openssh-client/server :) | 19:43 |
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| [31d1] | i can't believe no one compiled diff | 20:05 |
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| [31d1] | except me | 20:18 |
| syraxxl | how can i return n800 to factori settings RD wint winXP | 20:18 |
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| milhouse | syraxxl: reflash it | 20:32 |
| milhouse | using the Nokia update wizard | 20:32 |
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| Daniellion | hiya jnettlet | 20:52 |
| jnettlet | hey | 20:52 |
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| Daniellion | Im from cambridge | 21:02 |
| Daniellion | i see your MA inet hostmask | 21:03 |
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| syraxxl | it running | 21:07 |
| syraxxl | 10x | 21:07 |
| syraxxl | bye to all | 21:07 |
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| bherrmann | Where is libxau ? | 21:13 |
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| bherrmann | meaning, what package is libxau0 in, or where in the http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/ tree is it | 21:13 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 21:14 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 21:14 |
| pupnik | search index | 21:14 |
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| bherrmann | Humm... the search engine says it is in the repository, but it doesnt show me where in the repo is the .dep that has it | 21:18 |
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| pupnik | pool/maemo2.2/free/x/xau/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb | 21:22 |
| bherrmann | thx ... yea I just googled it too... http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb | 21:23 |
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| pupnik | i used apt-cache show libxau0 | 21:23 |
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| Tu13es | where is the Documents folder and such? | 21:40 |
| Tu13es | like in the CLI | 21:41 |
| CardinalFang | ~/.documents or something like that? | 21:41 |
| Tu13es | that doesn't appear to show anything | 21:42 |
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| Daniellion | hmm /home/user mabye | 21:43 |
| Daniellion | or /media/mmc2 | 21:43 |
| Tu13es | hmm | 21:44 |
| Tu13es | cant seem to find anything in any of those | 21:44 |
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| Daniellion | hmm | 21:44 |
| Daniellion | what are you looking for your personal documents folder? | 21:44 |
| Tu13es | im just trying to find, like, the directory structure thats in File Manager and stuff | 21:44 |
| Daniellion | or is it on the memory card | 21:44 |
| jufo | ~/MyDocs/.documents/ | 21:44 |
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| dhdfoo | hey, I'm trying to install Sardine on my N800 and it's acting rather strangely | 21:45 |
| Tu13es | jufo is the winnar | 21:45 |
| Daniellion | hmm are you on a 800 or 770? | 21:45 |
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| Tu13es | n800 | 21:45 |
| Daniellion | mine i found under /home/user/MyDocs | 21:46 |
| Daniellion | im on a 770 thoguh | 21:46 |
| dhdfoo | I enabled RD mode and turned on the no-lifeguard-reset and it doesn't seem to want to boot fully | 21:46 |
| dhdfoo | it will show the "wrench" screen with the kernel version, sit there for a while, then show the "battery" icon forever, or it will boot to the home screen, then shut down randomly a minute later | 21:47 |
| dhdfoo | I haven't even gotten to the part about installing the boot selector and Sardine :( | 21:47 |
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| dhdfoo | yeah, now it's rebooting endlessly | 21:49 |
| dhdfoo | I guess I have to reflash it or something | 21:50 |
| dhdfoo | is there a reset switch on the device somewhere or do I have to pull the battery? | 21:51 |
| Tu13es | how do I install a .deb file I have downloaded? | 21:51 |
| dhdfoo | dpkg -i foo.deb | 21:51 |
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| Tu13es | thanks | 21:51 |
| Tu13es | dhdfoo: just pull the battery | 21:51 |
| Tu13es | or hold the power switch a very long time maybe | 21:51 |
| Tu13es | if its just an app that's frozen up you can hold the esc/back button for a while to foce quit it or something | 21:52 |
| Tu13es | hmm: dpkg: error processing openvpn_2.0.2-2_arm.deb (--install): | 21:52 |
| Tu13es | package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel) | 21:52 |
| [31d1] | also you can click on the .deb in file manager and it will open in application installer | 21:52 |
| [31d1] | you got an 800 package and youre on a 770 i think | 21:52 |
| Tu13es | i'm on an n800 | 21:53 |
| Tu13es | but i suppose that could be the issue | 21:53 |
| dhdfoo | that is probably a package from debian-arm | 21:53 |
| dhdfoo | they are not compatible | 21:53 |
| dhdfoo | it needs to be _armel.deb | 21:53 |
| Tu13es | hm | 21:53 |
| Tu13es | I'm following this and it told me to do that http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installopenvpn | 21:53 |
| dhdfoo | #!@$ okay I guess I will just reflash the damn N800 | 21:55 |
| dhdfoo | I don't know what I did to it to make it go into endless reboot mode | 21:55 |
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| pupnik | red-pill mode is generally not a good thing | 21:56 |
| pupnik | if you are enabling red-pill mode to be able to install libraries from the application manager... you shouldn't be in red pill mode | 21:57 |
| Daniellion | i wish we could use the flasher util to back up not just restore | 21:57 |
| Daniellion | im sure nokia has a way to make the builds | 21:57 |
| pupnik | good point | 21:57 |
| pupnik | it is easy to back-up the system if you boot from mmc | 21:57 |
| Daniellion | that way we could back up all the system as a snapshot then restore it if we messed it up | 21:57 |
| pupnik | yes that is what i do | 21:58 |
| Daniellion | hmm | 21:58 |
| pupnik | make periodic system backups | 21:58 |
| Daniellion | but does it back up everything or just a file backup | 21:58 |
| pupnik | backs up the whole filesystem | 21:58 |
| Daniellion | i want all my added on programs and config fiels etc | 21:58 |
| pupnik | yes | 21:58 |
| Daniellion | hmm | 21:58 |
| Daniellion | ok how? | 21:58 |
| pupnik | multiboot? | 21:58 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card | 21:58 |
| Daniellion | is there a tut on it? | 21:58 |
| dhdfoo | that page seems pretty good | 21:59 |
| pupnik | that's part of it - it needs the full tutorial | 21:59 |
| dhdfoo | this is a stupid question, but which flasher flag do I use to reflash the ITOS2007 image? | 21:59 |
| dhdfoo | I can't for the life of me find the upgrade instructions on the website | 21:59 |
| dhdfoo | I've done this before but can't remember what kind of image it is | 22:00 |
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| dhdfoo | what a pain in the ass, now I have to reinstall ssh and so on | 22:07 |
| erstazi | dhdfoo: the flasher should be on the nokia's website | 22:08 |
| dhdfoo | yeah I found it | 22:08 |
| dhdfoo | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux? | 22:08 |
| dhdfoo | that is the page I was looking for | 22:08 |
| Daniellion | yeah | 22:08 |
| Daniellion | thats why i wanted to back it up eheh | 22:08 |
| dhdfoo | hey, for ssh, is it recommended to use the openssh package, or dropbear? | 22:10 |
| dhdfoo | because the former requires red-pill mode | 22:11 |
| dhdfoo | which is irritating | 22:11 |
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| Deformative | RushPL! IT CAME!!! | 22:13 |
| dhdfoo | oh, my mistake, it's a "one click install" now, cool! | 22:13 |
| Tu13es | anyonw know why I'm getting "incompatible application package" on something that's built for an n800? | 22:14 |
| Deformative | Ugh. | 22:14 |
| Deformative | I think the screen might be damaged. | 22:14 |
| dhdfoo | I've had the touchscreen go wacky on me, and rebooting fixed it... | 22:15 |
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| Deformative | Is the right side of the screen always slightly darker? | 22:20 |
| Deformative | And is the color white a bit grainy? | 22:20 |
| Deformative | I figure it is because it is a touchscreen. | 22:20 |
| bherrmann | dropbear or openssh, anybody have an opionion? | 22:22 |
| sbz | i use dropbear, it's really necessary | 22:26 |
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| sbz | openssh is to big for embbeded devince (just my opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ... | 22:27 |
| cosmo | dropbear doesn't have sftp or x-forwarding afaik.. | 22:29 |
| [31d1] | i use openssh cause accept no substitutes | 22:29 |
| [31d1] | does dropbear have ssh-keygen and .ssh/config and all that good stuff? | 22:29 |
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| Deformative | Is there an irc client on the 770? | 22:37 |
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| sbz | Deformative: xchat | 22:38 |
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| sbz | [31d1]: i don't know | 22:38 |
| [31d1] | word - i <3 openssh so i installed it no matter how big it is | 22:39 |
| Deformative | sbz: I mean that comes preinstalled. | 22:39 |
| Deformative | I guess not. | 22:39 |
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| [31d1] | Deformative: there isn't | 22:39 |
| sbz | cosmo: dropbear support xfowarding, but it's foolish to compare THE BEST OF WORLD ssh client and a little embbeded client, sur openssh is the best, it is on BSD Licence :) | 22:39 |
| sbz | Deformative: you can reattach your screen over ssh for example, it works well :) | 22:40 |
| sbz | when you use an irc console client | 22:41 |
| Deformative | It doesn't have a terminal installed by default? | 22:41 |
| Deformative | Weak. | 22:41 |
| sbz | you need to install osso-xterm from bora maemo-hackers repository | 22:42 |
| [31d1] | nah - someone needs to port rxvt lol | 22:42 |
| Deformative | I already said that. | 22:42 |
| Deformative | That will be my first thing I do. | 22:42 |
| [31d1] | hence my lol | 22:43 |
| Deformative | This is a very cool device. | 22:44 |
| Deformative | Needs a longer lasting battery, but still cool. | 22:44 |
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| [31d1] | im almost glad of how crappy 770 is out of the box - cause if it was better without having to hack on it they wouldnt be so cheap maybe | 22:45 |
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| [31d1] | oh Deformative your jawn came in the mail today? | 22:45 |
| Deformative | Yes. | 22:45 |
| [31d1] | battery lasts pretty long in my experience | 22:45 |
| Deformative | Has anyone modded the chat program to include irc and aol? | 22:46 |
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| killfill | hey | 22:46 |
| Deformative | I read it only last about 3 hours. | 22:46 |
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| killfill | i just installed canola 1.0beta2. | 22:46 |
| [31d1] | maybe not compared to newer stuff | 22:46 |
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| [31d1] | it lasts a long time in standby | 22:46 |
| killfill | and i see the same gui as the old one. is this ok?... | 22:46 |
| sbz | Deformative: nokia n770|800 is very very very cool | 22:46 |
| killfill | wansnt canola switching to efl?.. | 22:46 |
| [31d1] | the port of gaim has irc | 22:46 |
| Deformative | Why didn't they improve the existing client? | 22:47 |
| Deformative | It seems alright. | 22:47 |
| [31d1] | meh i dunno i am irssi 4 life | 22:47 |
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| sbz | Deformative: irssi works on armel too | 22:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: it is | 22:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: but we'll release it late December | 22:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | xmas gift | 22:48 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-D | 22:48 |
| killfill | k-s[WORK]: aah, so the beta2 is an upgrade, but without the new stuff | 22:49 |
| killfill | hehe | 22:49 |
| Deformative | Hmm. | 22:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | new version with efl will be a total rewrite | 22:49 |
| Deformative | Does anyone know if gmail works with the nokia email manager? | 22:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: in python for our mental healt | 22:49 |
| Deformative | Or should I just remove the email manager, if possible | 22:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | health | 22:49 |
| [31d1] | there's some way t hook it up | 22:49 |
| [31d1] | but gmail itself works fine in the browser | 22:50 |
| killfill | thought beta2 was the rewrite.. :) | 22:50 |
| [31d1] | there's a port of mutt that's slammin' once you turn on mouse-enabled | 22:50 |
| Deformative | [31d1]: But gmail in browser doesn't still work without internet. | 22:50 |
| [31d1] | yeah true | 22:51 |
| [31d1] | just never leave the house and you will always have internets! | 22:51 |
| killfill | k-s[WORK]: isnt there a hidden binary of that efl thingy somewhere?.. | 22:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: I provide EFL packages at my website | 22:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: maemo-efl.garage.maemo.org | 22:52 |
| sbz | Deformative: yes gmail works good | 22:52 |
| [31d1] | google reader - not so much :( | 22:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | this is the website of the project, with link to my repository... Ed (from Nokia) is doing better packages and we'll use his package later | 22:53 |
| killfill | k-s[WORK]: and a canola of that branch? | 22:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | yep | 22:53 |
| killfill | oh well its python.. i could just get the source of it.. where is it? | 22:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: source of what? | 22:54 |
| killfill | canola efl edition.. | 22:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: canola is still (unfortunatelly) closed source :-/ | 22:54 |
| killfill | aAaa | 22:54 |
| killfill | :S | 22:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: we develop it internally at INdT | 22:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | killfill: so far we're working on base components, like EFL... I'm doing python-efl, cmarcelo does python-etk | 22:55 |
| [31d1] | all i want for xmas is flash9 | 22:56 |
| k-s[WORK] | [31d1]: that's another company | 22:56 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-D | 22:56 |
| [31d1] | heh | 22:56 |
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| killfill | my car-radios were stoled 4 time in total.. | 22:57 |
| killfill | i wont buy any car-radio in my live again... | 22:57 |
| procto | been* | 22:57 |
| procto | ugh | 22:57 |
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| procto | I was asking if anyone had luck with the headset profile | 22:57 |
| killfill | so my xmas preset _is_ canola efl.. :P | 22:58 |
| procto | does the version of bluez installing by that install.sh include it even? | 22:58 |
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| Nermal | do any ad block solutions work in opera on the n800 - or is there a built in one in opera ? | 23:06 |
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| dhdfoo | still trying to install Sardine here ... | 23:08 |
| dhdfoo | this page http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card indicates that I can download tar using apt-get -d install | 23:08 |
| dhdfoo | but ... it doesn't seem to be in any repositories that apt knows about | 23:09 |
| dhdfoo | or rather it says "selecting busybox instead of tar" | 23:09 |
| dhdfoo | the alternate method is to use rsync - that's the package that does not seem to exist according to apt | 23:10 |
| dhdfoo | AND this is way out of date: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog#89a4551b0f29c1a652648b1cb8747021 | 23:13 |
| dhdfoo | okay never mind I just downloaded the debian-armel binary | 23:17 |
| dhdfoo | I will edit the HOWTO page to mention that you probably want to do this | 23:17 |
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| Deformative | Can I modify the home desktop? | 23:23 |
| dhdfoo | oh, lovely, that actually does not work either | 23:23 |
| trevarthan | no clue if anyone cares, but I just built a test .deb of libvisual for the n800. You can get it here: http://www.guardiani.us/libvisual-0.4-0_0.4.0-1.1_armel.deb | 23:24 |
| dhdfoo | fine I will just #@$ compile tar myself in scratchbox | 23:24 |
| trevarthan | thinking about using libvisual in Kagu. :) | 23:24 |
| trevarthan | thanks to k-s[WORK] for the info. | 23:24 |
| Deformative | Can I modify the home desktop? | 23:26 |
| Nermal | in what way ? | 23:27 |
| Nermal | you can add and remove thingies and change the background | 23:27 |
| Nermal | or plonk KDE on an SD card :) | 23:27 |
| Deformative | How can I remove things and change the background? | 23:27 |
| Nermal | not sure - I'll find out tomorrow | 23:28 |
| Nermal | I presume there is a nice preferences thing in the control panel | 23:28 |
| Deformative | Found it. | 23:28 |
| Deformative | Nope. | 23:28 |
| Deformative | It is in the menu for home. | 23:28 |
| Nermal | ah :) | 23:28 |
| * Nermal will flash his n800 when it arrives with the philip langdale SDHC kernel to hopefully avoid nuking his new 4gb card | 23:29 | |
| Nermal | :S | 23:29 |
| killfill | hey guys.. how do you umount a sd card?.. | 23:31 |
| killfill | currently im loggin in and umount /... it.. | 23:31 |
| twobithacker | Anyone have some pointers on getting a script to run when a wifi connection is established? | 23:31 |
| pupnik | interesting questions... | 23:32 |
| pupnik | twobithacker: maybe in /etc/network if-up.d | 23:33 |
| twobithacker | everything I've read says that doesn't work for wifi, just for pppd connections | 23:33 |
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| Nermal | killfill: is there no "eject" option | 23:34 |
| pupnik | twobithacker: you can install load-applet-run and start any script manually | 23:34 |
| Nermal | that usually syncs and unmounts things | 23:34 |
| twobithacker | yeah, that work if I mess with some permissions. basically I'm just looking to run ntpdate when I get a connection | 23:35 |
| killfill | Nermal: yup.. i miss that. i think pluggin my sdch in/out makes my memories broke.. i already broke two.. :P | 23:36 |
| Nermal | killfill: I read about that on the itt forums - which is why I'm going to patch mine when it arrives and only use the internal slot for now | 23:37 |
| Nermal | seems to affect a lot of people | 23:37 |
| killfill | i should read that forums.. :P | 23:37 |
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| twobithacker | looks like I should be looking into dbus stuff to do what I want | 23:40 |
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| [31d1] | twobithacker: im interested in that too - to run a dyndns script | 23:49 |
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| [31d1] | and /etc/network/init.d just comes up on boot - not via wireless | 23:49 |
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| [31d1] | currently i just have a script cronned every so often that checks iwconfig to see if theres a wlan before running anything | 23:50 |
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| bedboi | anyone knows a library that extracts symbols from an ELF? | 23:54 |
| unique311 | anyone using videocenter? | 23:59 |
| unique311 | notice it doesn't play all vlogs. | 23:59 |
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