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| shodanjr_gr | hello guys! | 00:12 |
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| shodanjr_gr | and gals! | 00:12 |
| shodanjr_gr | ive been thinking of getting a used 770, can anyone answer a few questions? | 00:12 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:14 |
| pupnik | probably 6+ billion | 00:14 |
| shodanjr_gr | excellent :) | 00:14 |
| shodanjr_gr | first of all | 00:15 |
| shodanjr_gr | how is it speed wise? | 00:15 |
| pupnik | about as fast as a pentium 2 | 00:15 |
| pupnik | or an intel xscale 400mhz | 00:16 |
| shodanjr_gr | in usage terms for instance, how is the speed/usability of the web browser compared to the one in the recent S60 phones. | 00:16 |
| pupnik | the browser is plenty fast, just some websites are terrible | 00:17 |
| shodanjr_gr | aha | 00:17 |
| shodanjr_gr | what about applications? | 00:17 |
| pupnik | you can run applications on it | 00:17 |
| shodanjr_gr | i mean | 00:17 |
| shodanjr_gr | is there a large variety? is there an office suite compatible with MS Office documents? (at least for viewing) | 00:18 |
| pupnik | well on that account 1) ms office documents are a poorly defined standard, with built-in incompatibilities and flaws | 00:19 |
| pupnik | but there is a word processor and a .doc viewer | 00:19 |
| shodanjr_gr | in responce to 1) i am very well aware of that, unfortunately its a necessary evil | 00:19 |
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| shodanjr_gr | cant get every professor @ my uni + every co-student switch to Open Office :P | 00:20 |
| pupnik | it's called abiword and very nice. open office is too big to run on the 770 | 00:20 |
| pupnik | but abiword still has a few crash bugs | 00:20 |
| shodanjr_gr | well i dont really care about editing, i just want to be able to VIEW files | 00:20 |
| pupnik | for that i think people use evince | 00:20 |
| shodanjr_gr | What about the email client? has it improved? i read in some reviews that it had some usability issues. | 00:21 |
| pupnik | there is a port of claws mail - the standard email client is a bit like 'wordpad' in lack of features | 00:21 |
| derf | Just use webmail. | 00:21 |
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| shodanjr_gr | i use a gmail a lot, but also i gota have access to my uni's email | 00:22 |
| pupnik | i use webmail, but i can understand people wanting to connect to a hotspot, download their mails and process them while not online | 00:22 |
| shodanjr_gr | yup | 00:22 |
| shodanjr_gr | that too | 00:22 |
| shodanjr_gr | i also have a nokia e61 smartphone, i'd suppose the two would work well together? (D.U.N over BT for instance for when i am not in range of a hotspot) | 00:22 |
| pupnik | anyway searching claws mail threads on internettablettalk.com should return usability reports | 00:23 |
| shodanjr_gr | hm... | 00:23 |
| shodanjr_gr | another thing | 00:23 |
| pupnik | i think dun over bt works with most phones - no experience with it | 00:23 |
| shodanjr_gr | does the tablet have a microphone + spearker arranged in such a way that it is skype-friendly? | 00:23 |
| * celesteh looks for the reop with clawsmail and abiword | 00:24 | |
| pupnik | i've done some feedback tests (it's funny, there's a one-liner in the shell that lets you set up a feedback loop) | 00:24 |
| pupnik | and i can get to about 3/5 volume before feedback gain becomes > 1 | 00:24 |
| shodanjr_gr | i just checked a compatiblity list and it seems that it cooperates with N-series phones so it would probably work with the E-Series as well | 00:24 |
| pupnik | sorry 2/5 | 00:24 |
| shodanjr_gr | i didnt quite get those last 2 sentences :p | 00:25 |
| pupnik | it has a mic and speaker, the mic hears the speaker | 00:25 |
| shodanjr_gr | aaah | 00:25 |
| shodanjr_gr | does the headphone slot support phone-headsets? | 00:25 |
| shodanjr_gr | (single ear-thingie + mic) | 00:25 |
| pupnik | from what i've heard yes, but this isn't confirmed - maybe someone else knows for sure | 00:26 |
| shodanjr_gr | hm... | 00:26 |
| shodanjr_gr | oh | 00:26 |
| shodanjr_gr | another one | 00:26 |
| shodanjr_gr | what about PIM apps? | 00:26 |
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| pupnik | hmm just found a headset here but it is the 2-plug variety | 00:29 |
| pupnik | PIM diehards say the bundled apps fail | 00:30 |
| celesteh | you can get a calendar, contacts etc in 3rd party apps | 00:31 |
| pupnik | but there's a port of GPE, which is supposedly better | 00:31 |
| celesteh | i use that | 00:31 |
| celesteh | and i can sync my calendar to google, which is cool | 00:31 |
| WhisperingVoices | I really like GPE, compared to everything else I've tried | 00:31 |
| WhisperingVoices | although I'm on the N800 not the E61 | 00:31 |
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| pupnik | i really need to update the 770 PalmOS emulator someday | 00:33 |
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| shodanjr_gr | hm... | 00:34 |
| shodanjr_gr | is any of the supported calendar apps sync-able to outlook? | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1180.html this thread deals with that | 00:35 |
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| shodanjr_gr | cheers ;) | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | have you found a place that still sells new 770s shodanjr_gr ? | 00:36 |
| shodanjr_gr | nope | 00:37 |
| shodanjr_gr | im scouting on ebay | 00:37 |
| shodanjr_gr | for a used one | 00:37 |
| shodanjr_gr | on www.nokia770.com i saw a couple of links to eshops | 00:37 |
| shodanjr_gr | with N770s on sale | 00:37 |
| shodanjr_gr | you could check it out | 00:37 |
| pupnik | i was just wondering - i bought mine last november | 00:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | Nokia never released the damn thing here in Greece | 00:38 |
| pupnik | goes with me everyehwere | 00:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | and they just NOW released the N800 | 00:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | which is too expensive for my CS student allowance :p | 00:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | oh | 00:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | another question | 00:38 |
| celesteh | alas | 00:38 |
| pupnik | girls think it's cute | 00:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | hehehe | 00:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | gadgets are converstation starters | 00:39 |
| celesteh | total chick magnet | 00:39 |
| shodanjr_gr | i get that with my smartphone all the time | 00:39 |
| WhisperingVoices | [22:36] <shodanjr_gr> is any of the supported calendar apps sync-able to outlook? <- Ermining allows GPE Calendar to sync to Google Calendar and you can sync Google Calendar to Outlook separately | 00:39 |
| pupnik | most people ask questions when they see the 800x480 display | 00:39 |
| celesteh | i have to carry a stick with me to beat them away when i'm trying to walk around with my n800 | 00:39 |
| shodanjr_gr | aaah cheers WhisperingVoices | 00:39 |
| WhisperingVoices | yea the display is sexy as hell | 00:39 |
| shodanjr_gr | :p | 00:39 |
| shodanjr_gr | yup | 00:39 |
| WhisperingVoices | but Shodan I don't know if Ermining will work on the E61 | 00:39 |
| shodanjr_gr | i just want something to surf the net on so that i dont have to lug my ultraportable to school every day | 00:40 |
| shodanjr_gr | btw does the n770 support WPA-Enterprise wireless security? does it support certificate importing? | 00:40 |
| pupnik | with a bluetooth keyboard it would be an excellent lecture note-taking + sketch device | 00:40 |
| shodanjr_gr | i dont take notes :p i just pay attention | 00:40 |
| WhisperingVoices | I find mine is decent for sketching ... no bluetooth keyboards I've found yet though | 00:41 |
| shodanjr_gr | how's the handwritting recognition? | 00:41 |
| celesteh | i find the finger keyboard thing to be pretty good for note taking, actually | 00:41 |
| shodanjr_gr | back when i had a palm i was pretty fast with graffiti | 00:41 |
| WhisperingVoices | I don't know about Enterprise security, mine is running WPA-PSK | 00:41 |
| pupnik | get a Nokia 770 and help test the palm emulator please | 00:42 |
| WhisperingVoices | I can't get used to the finger keyboard, I guess I should practice more | 00:42 |
| shodanjr_gr | if and when i get it, ill be spending some time here :p | 00:42 |
| shodanjr_gr | anyone here have experience with running skype on the 770? | 00:43 |
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| WhisperingVoices | No but then I haven't found out how to operate my webcam yet | 00:43 |
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| WhisperingVoices | I know you'll need to patch the OS to get Skype | 00:43 |
| shodanjr_gr | im talking about the 770, i dont think that has a webcam :p | 00:43 |
| WhisperingVoices | I was illustrating my lack of connectivity :P | 00:44 |
| shodanjr_gr | hahahah :p | 00:44 |
| shodanjr_gr | it'd be pretty handy if skype where usable | 00:44 |
| celesteh | i hate handwriting recorgnition. bluetooth keyboards are kind of hard to find in the netherlands | 00:44 |
| shodanjr_gr | id love free phonecalls and i cant get my E61 to connect to my Uni's Wifi net | 00:44 |
| celesteh | i mean, tiny portable ones. there's one shop that sells them and they're always sold out | 00:44 |
| shodanjr_gr | did you check on ebay? | 00:45 |
| celesteh | want to try before i buy | 00:45 |
| WhisperingVoices | I think Skype is usable on the n770 | 00:45 |
| WhisperingVoices | but it has lots of features disabled like file sharing and so on | 00:46 |
| shodanjr_gr | ah kk celesteh | 00:46 |
| shodanjr_gr | id just check reviews and buy on ebay though | 00:46 |
| * celesteh checking out claws mail | 00:46 | |
| shodanjr_gr | btw | 00:47 |
| celesteh | ooh, this is fancy. it has a wizard and everything | 00:47 |
| shodanjr_gr | what's up with the Hacker edition of 2007 for the 770? | 00:47 |
| shodanjr_gr | is it usable? | 00:47 |
| * shodanjr_gr wishes the n880 werent so expensive | 00:48 | |
| WhisperingVoices | there's an n880!? | 00:48 |
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| shodanjr_gr | eeer | 00:48 |
| shodanjr_gr | sleight of finger | 00:48 |
| shodanjr_gr | N800 :p | 00:48 |
| WhisperingVoices | Well I know there are some articles on how to set up your 800 for packetsniffing and other hijinks, abusing its wireless and assorted Linux stuff - for which you need to flash your OS to get root access | 00:49 |
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| WhisperingVoices | the hacker version could be a root-enabled version | 00:49 |
| pupnik | shodanjr_gr: it is usable and offers some improvements, but it is a hackers playtool - for normal use 2006 is better | 00:50 |
| shodanjr_gr | aha | 00:51 |
| shodanjr_gr | and on top of it all, i STILL havent recieved my Call of Duty 4 beta acceptance email :p | 00:52 |
| pupnik | with respect to games, there is one danger | 00:53 |
| pupnik | once you get a 770 and set-up scratchbox, you might find that porting your favorite apps/games is more fun than playing them | 00:53 |
| WhisperingVoices | what's Scratchbox? | 00:54 |
| _Monkey | Scratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together | 00:54 |
| pupnik | gonna fix that | 00:54 |
| WhisperingVoices | Say you're a complete novice to Linux and software and everything, but there is an application you really want to port and you don't mind doing the work and learning | 00:54 |
| WhisperingVoices | Where would you start? | 00:54 |
| * celesteh curses | 00:55 | |
| WhisperingVoices | I *really* want Kdissert for the n800, or Brainstorm | 00:55 |
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| celesteh | yarg, i told claws mail to use my primary gmail account and it's trying to download 1k messages. oops | 00:55 |
| shodanjr_gr | hahhaha | 00:55 |
| shodanjr_gr | have fun :p | 00:55 |
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| shodanjr_gr | or not | 00:56 |
| shodanjr_gr | keep a fire extuinguisher handy incase it catches fire | 00:56 |
| lle2 | WhisperingVoices: follow the maemo sbox guide, make a tiny little test program, package it up and run it on the device. after you're sure you got that, start playing with the app that you want to port. | 00:56 |
| shodanjr_gr | if i knew how to program on anything BUT java, id try porting some stuff over :p | 00:57 |
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| lle2 | WhisperingVoices: do not use scratchbox.org documentation, it will confuse you. | 00:57 |
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| shodanjr_gr | btw will Asus EVER release that EEE pc? | 00:57 |
| celesteh | alas, java is unsupported so far, but python isn't too hard to pick up | 00:57 |
| WhisperingVoices | hmm | 00:58 |
| WhisperingVoices | it seems odd that Java is unsupported | 00:58 |
| celesteh | also, it is wise to learn more than one language when you're a cs student :) | 00:58 |
| celesteh | it's annoying, as i have a bunch of java apps i'd like to run. i think javasoft is working on a port right now | 00:58 |
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| shodanjr_gr | none of you guys have heard of the EEE? | 00:59 |
| WhisperingVoices | I'm not a CS student | 01:00 |
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| WhisperingVoices | :/ | 01:00 |
| shodanjr_gr | :p | 01:00 |
| shodanjr_gr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee | 01:00 |
| WhisperingVoices | eee looks nice | 01:01 |
| WhisperingVoices | I hope I have a better paying job when it comes out | 01:01 |
| shodanjr_gr | its pretty cheap and its got good specs | 01:01 |
| lle2 | electrical engineers and math and physics seem to be more useful for embedded sw development than plain cs. | 01:01 |
| shodanjr_gr | lots of good things can happen with a 900mhz CPU and 512 megs of ram | 01:01 |
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| shodanjr_gr | i wish they had given a touchscreen to the PSP :p | 01:03 |
| pupnik | scratchbox? | 01:03 |
| _Monkey | scratchbox is, like, a cross-compilation toolkit designed to make embedded Linux application development easier. It is used by Maemo development platform but is not restricted to that use. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O | 01:03 |
| kikka | The eee in germany costs more than in the usa. i think that#s a little bit unfair :/ But... eventually i buy it. | 01:05 |
| shodanjr_gr | well | 01:06 |
| pupnik | germany has stronger consumer protection laws, higher taxes and import tarriffs and higher energy prices - all of these are reflected in product prices | 01:06 |
| shodanjr_gr | since the USD went to hell eveyrthing costs more in the EU than in the US | 01:07 |
| shodanjr_gr | think XBOX 360, PS3, all kinds of software etc etc | 01:07 |
| lle2 | eh? funny logic. I guess you're from US? | 01:07 |
| shodanjr_gr | plus most US prices are listed without VAT while most EU prices include VAT | 01:07 |
| pupnik | that is backwards. when the value of the dollar falls, prices go up in the USA | 01:07 |
| pupnik | that is correct | 01:07 |
| pupnik | scratchbox? | 01:08 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O | 01:08 |
| shodanjr_gr | its not about the value of the dollar, its about the way companies decide to set the dollar as equal to the euro | 01:08 |
| shodanjr_gr | while thats not the case | 01:08 |
| lle2 | no longer true | 01:08 |
| shodanjr_gr | $399 is not €399 and companies should know that | 01:08 |
| xorAxAx | @@? | 01:08 |
| shodanjr_gr | that second 399 is in Euros :p | 01:09 |
| pupnik | lle2 do you want to improve that scratchbox hint for _Monkey? | 01:09 |
| kikka | Yes. It sucks. I'll have an ee for 199$. | 01:09 |
| kikka | Not for 299€ or 399€. | 01:09 |
| lle2 | pupnik: not really, I don't have anything constructive to say about sb1 :) | 01:09 |
| tso | hmm, it seems my current fonts have issues with non-english letters... | 01:10 |
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| pupnik | you pay higher prices in europe because your governments know what to do with your money better than you do | 01:11 |
| pupnik | (or at least they think they do) | 01:11 |
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| shodanjr_gr | even after taxes we end up paying more pupnik | 01:12 |
| pupnik | yes do you know why? | 01:12 |
| lle2 | also because here you need localised versions for each 5-15 million people | 01:12 |
| lle2 | with localised support | 01:12 |
| shodanjr_gr | no we dont :p | 01:12 |
| pupnik | well consider that in germany, computer products must carry a three year warranty. Who ends up paying for all those devices that get sent back after 2.5 years? | 01:13 |
| pupnik | You pay for it, in the purchase price. | 01:13 |
| pupnik | In england i think it's 5 years. | 01:13 |
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| Blacksitox | re | 01:13 |
| shodanjr_gr | actually its european law or something that all electronics come with a 2 year warranty | 01:13 |
| celesteh | the taxes aren't so great, but my gf got a root canal for about 150€, so i think i'm coming out ahead so far. | 01:14 |
| pupnik | In the US you have the *option* of purchasing an extended warranty - if you want to pay for it. | 01:14 |
| shodanjr_gr | also | 01:14 |
| shodanjr_gr | here in Greece | 01:14 |
| shodanjr_gr | its freaking hot | 01:14 |
| pupnik | Which solution offers choice to the consumer? | 01:14 |
| celesteh | hahaha | 01:14 |
| lle2 | funny, most of the stuff I buy in finland seem to carry only a 12month warranty. not that it really matters. end up losing most of the crap before that anyway. | 01:14 |
| celesteh | the guy at the media markt tried to sell me an extended warranty with my n800 | 01:15 |
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| celesteh | because it only came with 6 months or something | 01:15 |
| shodanjr_gr | let me restate the above | 01:15 |
| shodanjr_gr | i meant a 2 years MANUFACTURER's warranty | 01:15 |
| shodanjr_gr | not a store-warranty | 01:15 |
| shodanjr_gr | or maybe its the other way | 01:15 |
| shodanjr_gr | im not sure, havent slept in a long time | 01:15 |
| pupnik | i think you are correct shodanjr_gr | 01:15 |
| celesteh | ah. well, he also told me the warranty would cover me if it died because of a bike crash, but i'm skeptical of that | 01:16 |
| shodanjr_gr | well accidental insurance is different | 01:16 |
| tso | pupnik: as some have tried to point out with linux distros, to much choice is a bad thing, at times... | 01:16 |
| shodanjr_gr | the manufacturer's warranty covers you on hardware failures | 01:16 |
| Darksmurf | On the wiki there is a section on integrating bt pan into the connection manager on the 770. It links to a page to download 'dbus-s'. The link has a ) at the end. It causes a 404 error. It took me awhile to notice the problem. I just thought the file was goe. Could someone fix it? | 01:16 |
| shodanjr_gr | although most of my electronics at some point or other end up out of warranty before their time | 01:17 |
| celesteh | i don't really beleive that they would cover me if i, say, crashed cuz i was drunk bicycling (don't drink and bike) | 01:17 |
| shodanjr_gr | cause i always brek the warranty seals and poke inside :p | 01:17 |
| shodanjr_gr | celesteh there are some store-warranties that cover ANY sort of damage regardless of cause | 01:17 |
| shodanjr_gr | there was a store in the US that would even replace your console if YOU poored water on it on PURPOSE | 01:17 |
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| lle2 | what happened to the store? | 01:18 |
| celesteh | that's nuts. | 01:18 |
| shodanjr_gr | its a large chain | 01:18 |
| shodanjr_gr | and thats an extra charge service | 01:18 |
| shodanjr_gr | its not the default warranty | 01:19 |
| pupnik | of course there are positives and negatives tso - recall the USA N770 buyer whose 770 broke after 18 days and he could not get it fixed for free because it wasn't from an authorized reseller | 01:19 |
| shodanjr_gr | and it costed quite a big | 01:19 |
| shodanjr_gr | *bit | 01:19 |
| lle2 | that's different. sure you can buy such idiot insurances in europe as well | 01:19 |
| tso | yep, there is no black or white, only infinite shades of gray... | 01:19 |
| celesteh | i finally pointed claws mail at the right gmail account and now it's timing out when connecting to the SMTP server | 01:20 |
| shodanjr_gr | in other news i aced my compilers project today :p | 01:20 |
| celesteh | yay! | 01:20 |
| * shodanjr_gr duffman pelvis thrust | 01:20 | |
| pupnik | shodanjr_gr: you should implement X86-ARM dynamic recompilation in dosbox | 01:20 |
| shodanjr_gr | hm... | 01:20 |
| shodanjr_gr | actually | 01:20 |
| lle2 | fix qemu instead | 01:20 |
| shodanjr_gr | for the moment id like to add a division operation to the small subset of java i had to make a compiler for :p | 01:21 |
| shodanjr_gr | brb gona go get some cereals | 01:22 |
| pupnik | I wish universities would put computer science students to work on *useful* things | 01:22 |
| celesteh | undergrads at uc berkeley wrote GIMP, iirc | 01:22 |
| pupnik | uc berkeley also wrote BSD | 01:23 |
| pupnik | before the days of the microsoft takeover of universities | 01:23 |
| celesteh | but not undergrads in their free time | 01:23 |
| celesteh | which is who wrote gimp | 01:23 |
| celesteh | java is really really popular with cs departments now, and with good reason | 01:23 |
| pupnik | yeah i remember | 01:23 |
| lle2 | sure they write useful things, if you value some enterprise java beans | 01:24 |
| celesteh | i don't know if i've ever written anything useful actually | 01:24 |
| WhisperingVoices | how virus-proof is Linux? I haven't spotted anything like ClamAV for the n800 yet | 01:25 |
| celesteh | no, scratch that. lots of cgi scripts :p | 01:25 |
| shodanjr_gr | yeah | 01:25 |
| shodanjr_gr | id like that too | 01:25 |
| shodanjr_gr | we dont get the chacne to work on "usable" stuff | 01:26 |
| * celesteh drones on about current theories of university pedagogy | 01:26 | |
| celesteh | actually, i think there's a trend going on, away from usable. | 01:27 |
| shodanjr_gr | actually the only projects ive ever done that were close to "usable" were a couple of web based applications (PHP and JSP) | 01:27 |
| Darksmurf | Anyone here know how to make a bootable cd that is more than a few megs in size? | 01:27 |
| shodanjr_gr | and they were BORING as hell | 01:27 |
| shodanjr_gr | im talking "slice my wrists like an emo kid boring" | 01:27 |
| celesteh | most programming is boring as hell. large reason i don't do it for money any more | 01:27 |
| shodanjr_gr | well | 01:27 |
| shodanjr_gr | idk | 01:27 |
| shodanjr_gr | i loved both the compiler's project | 01:28 |
| shodanjr_gr | and a cryptography project i did | 01:28 |
| shodanjr_gr | very fun and very challenging | 01:28 |
| celesteh | i loved school too. it's great. always doing new things. nobody asks you to fix bugs in the stupid project of doom that never ends. it's great | 01:28 |
| shodanjr_gr | hahhaha :p | 01:29 |
| celesteh | programming for money on the other hand . . . | 01:29 |
| shodanjr_gr | that IS true | 01:29 |
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| shodanjr_gr | yeah thats one of the things i fear for when im done with the university tvh | 01:29 |
| shodanjr_gr | what do you do for aliving now celesteh? | 01:29 |
| celesteh | find out why the db gets out of sync when people use this giant collection of broken CGI scripts that don't do locking correctly. arg. | 01:29 |
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| celesteh | i went back to school. now i compose algorimic music | 01:30 |
| shodanjr_gr | wow | 01:30 |
| shodanjr_gr | that sounds cool | 01:30 |
| shodanjr_gr | "pun intended" :p | 01:30 |
| celesteh | just as much programming, but sometimes now the bugs sound nice | 01:30 |
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| * shodanjr_gr is watching The Black Adder | 01:30 | |
| shodanjr_gr | say waht you will | 01:33 |
| shodanjr_gr | British comedy rules | 01:33 |
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| celesteh | http://www.berkeleynoise.com/celesteh | 01:33 |
| tso | hmm, i have a feel that the database (or whatever) that the application manager uses have been corrupted. it seems i have minimo installed while i cant find it in said manager... | 01:34 |
| WhisperingVoices | have you seen Peep Show, shodan? | 01:34 |
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| shodanjr_gr | nah | 01:34 |
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| shodanjr_gr | hm... | 01:36 |
| shodanjr_gr | what to do... | 01:36 |
| WhisperingVoices | it's my favourite British comedy | 01:36 |
| WhisperingVoices | well worth a look if you're into understated savage humour | 01:36 |
| shodanjr_gr | i like the old school stuff | 01:36 |
| shodanjr_gr | Monty Pythons | 01:36 |
| shodanjr_gr | John Cleese | 01:36 |
| WhisperingVoices | Fawlty Towers, Fools and Horses? | 01:36 |
| shodanjr_gr | oh yeah | 01:36 |
| shodanjr_gr | Fawlty Towers is soooooooooooooooooooo good | 01:36 |
| WhisperingVoices | So anyway - is the N800 virus-prone or too small to have any viruses written for it? | 01:37 |
| celesteh | tso, i don't know how you can fix that except for reflashing | 01:37 |
| shodanjr_gr | well | 01:37 |
| shodanjr_gr | like any device in theory its virus prone | 01:37 |
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| tso | i was afraid of something like that | 01:37 |
| WhisperingVoices | [23:36] <tso> hmm, i have a feel that the database (or whatever) that the application manager uses have been corrupted. it seems i have minimo installed while i cant find it in said manager... <- can you not access it through Extras either? | 01:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | its been proven that for every combination of OS and harwdare platform there CAN be a virus | 01:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | however getting an Internet Tablet infected would be the least of my worries :p | 01:38 |
| celesteh | i could just be a problem with minimo | 01:38 |
| WhisperingVoices | Okay, but since there are no AV programmes (that I've found) what are my chances of picking something up? | 01:38 |
| celesteh | IT could just be a problem with minimo. lord knows that app has problems | 01:38 |
| shodanjr_gr | very very very slim to nilch | 01:38 |
| tso | WhisperingVoices: i can run it just fine from extras, thats why i think its still installed. under its not listed under installed apps, but shows up under "installable apps"... | 01:38 |
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| lle2 | tried re-installing and then removing? | 01:39 |
| celesteh | what happens if you try to install it, tso? | 01:39 |
| shodanjr_gr | the Internet Platform user base is too small for a virus writter to actually bother | 01:39 |
| tso | the install fails, with a very non-informative error... | 01:39 |
| celesteh | one of the bajillion lurkers is going to take that as a challenge | 01:39 |
| WhisperingVoices | when I tried to install Minimo it pretended to crash half way through, I tried again and it said it was installed and it shows up fine for me | 01:39 |
| shodanjr_gr | :p | 01:39 |
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| lle2 | shodanjr_gr: I think virus writers are simply not smart enough to get the dev environment working | 01:39 |
| WhisperingVoices | I'll use the default browser instead of minimo then | 01:40 |
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| tso | but i have a feel the install fails because of a lack of space... | 01:40 |
| lle2 | security through obstruction of development | 01:40 |
| shodanjr_gr | hahahha | 01:40 |
| shodanjr_gr | :p | 01:40 |
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| shodanjr_gr | im gona suggest that to my Infrastructure Security Professor :p | 01:40 |
| celesteh | you can check how much space you have by looking at the file manager. | 01:40 |
| tso | also, minimo is just the largest of the programs not listed iirc. there are some others in "extras" that i cant find listed in installed apps... | 01:40 |
| WhisperingVoices | try Red Pilling? | 01:41 |
| WhisperingVoices | maybe there's some sort of weird permissions problem in getting it to show | 01:41 |
| shodanjr_gr | ahahhaah Black Adder 2 is hilarious | 01:41 |
| tso | hmm, didnt think about that. sillty me | 01:41 |
| * celesteh is lazy and would just backup and reflash | 01:42 | |
| tso | hmm, still dont see it listed... | 01:45 |
| tso | celesteh: to much windows-like for my taste... | 01:51 |
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| tso | i like to understand why something failed, so that maybe it can be fixed in the future | 01:52 |
| tso | heh, i wonder if nokia will put a couple of buttons on the right side of the wimax n800, and put in n-gage support on it... | 01:53 |
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| tso | hmm, managed to free up enough space to "install" minimo... | 01:59 |
| tso | heh, i have the same free space both before and after install :P | 02:00 |
| tso | maybe ill just leave it alone then | 02:00 |
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| bmk789 | is there a way to run a full-fledged maemo2007 system in a VM? | 02:06 |
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| pupnik | tso something like this? http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png | 02:13 |
| tso | hehe, cool picture :) | 02:13 |
| tso | looks like a interesting device that :) | 02:14 |
| tso | does it have triggers on top? | 02:14 |
| tso | still, there is allways the gp2x | 02:16 |
| tso | well talk about the sun, does this look familiar? http://gp2x.com/ | 02:18 |
| pupnik | I know the gp2x but i don't want to buy a device just for games | 02:22 |
| pupnik | And i don't want to carry around two or three devices | 02:22 |
| tso | i know the feel... | 02:23 |
| tso | hell, with the 770, im allready carrying two device (it and a phone, the SE Z710) | 02:24 |
| pupnik | I'm afraid Nokia will not put any buttons on the right hand side for two reasons: 1) The tablet is supposed to look 'serious' and rhs buttons might make it look too 'gamey' and 2) Nokia might not want to turn the tablet into a device that could compete with their N-Gage line. | 02:24 |
| tso | thats why i said "put in n-gage support in the sprint-bound wimax version of n800" | 02:24 |
| pupnik | Ahh | 02:25 |
| pupnik | But even with n-gage support, the controllers on the N800 are not suitable. | 02:25 |
| pupnik | You *need* an 8-way dpad that can be moved swiftly, and at least 4 buttons on the rhs | 02:26 |
| pupnik | An interesting possiblity might be a slide-on case with integrated gaming dpad on the left and buttons on the righthand side | 02:27 |
| tso | hmm... | 02:27 |
| tso | usb connected maybe? | 02:27 |
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| pupnik | usb or bluetooth | 02:27 |
| tso | still, that gp2x-f200 looks sexy. and by the looks of it comes with cave story installed?! | 02:27 |
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| pupnik | Yes, i like it best of all the portable gaming platforms. | 02:28 |
| tso | i would go with usb if the port on the n800 is in the same place as the 770. especially if its a slide on design... | 02:28 |
| pupnik | However it has the same cpus as the f100, which means no full-speed Snes or PSX possible | 02:29 |
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| pupnik | I might build my own slide on case controller with the bluetooth gamepad that's sold for 30 euro. | 02:30 |
| tso | hmm, sad :( | 02:30 |
| tso | hmm, it looks like the F200 isnt that big a step up from the F100... | 02:31 |
| pupnik | yes | 02:31 |
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| tso | its mostly new color, screen (touch), image viewer, and redesigned dpad... | 02:33 |
| pupnik | i'm waiting until 2008 | 02:34 |
| tso | heh | 02:37 |
| tso | hmm, i wonder what people will pull of with "the bug"... | 02:37 |
| pupnik | ? | 02:37 |
| pupnik | what is the bug? | 02:38 |
| _Monkey | the bug is shitty | 02:38 |
| tso | http://buglabs.net/products | 02:40 |
| tso | it seems to feature a stronger cpu then the gp2x | 02:40 |
| tso | hmm, seems to be the same as the one in the n800... | 02:41 |
| tso | but there is no talk about the amount of ram... | 02:41 |
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| pupnik | tso - there is also no product | 03:00 |
| tso | true, but its to show up q4 2007, so its right around the corner... | 03:03 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 05:02 |
| NeoStrider | any pipes wizard in the house? | 05:02 |
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| Tu13es | anyone know of a webkit browser for n800? | 05:21 |
| pupnik | wow there are some really good speech synths now | 05:21 |
| jufo | some posts from webkit developer http://blog.gwright.org.uk/ last 20 days ago :/ | 05:26 |
| Tu13es | yeah, I saw some news at the beginning of the month but haven't heard much since | 05:27 |
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| Kakeman | is N800 openGL capable? | 11:52 |
| Kakeman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR | 11:55 |
| Molagi | no | 11:55 |
| kulve | Kakeman: the hardware is, software is not | 11:55 |
| Kakeman | will it ever be? | 11:56 |
| kulve | that's a good question :) | 11:56 |
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| Kakeman | why it is disabled? | 12:06 |
| gla55_ | only nokia knows | 12:07 |
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| syraxxl | hi to all | 12:09 |
| Kakeman | hi | 12:10 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | Kakeman: it's not disabled, it's just not enabled. | 12:24 |
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| konttori | Morning everyone | 14:02 |
| konttori | I was just reading about psyco for python. Looks really interesting | 14:03 |
| konttori | http://psyco.sourceforge.net/introduction.html | 14:03 |
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| konttori | It would need porting to be compatible with arm. They say: "2x to 100x speed-ups, typically 4x, with an unmodified Python interpreter and unmodified source code, just a dynamically loadable C extension module." | 14:06 |
| konttori | OTOH: they also say it consumes quite a lot of memory. | 14:06 |
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| konttori | also, pypy seems like more mature JIT for python: http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/news.html | 14:11 |
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| MoRpHeUz | konttori: hmm...this "lot of memory" could be also an issue for us on the device.. | 14:28 |
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| xorAxAx | no, psyco is more mature than pypy's partial evaluation jit generator | 14:32 |
| * xorAxAx hacked already on pypy | 14:32 | |
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| konttori | ahh.. interesting | 14:48 |
| konttori | but pypy is more portable (to arm) right? | 14:48 |
| konttori | Also, even partieal evaluation might be very much better. | 14:49 |
| konttori | (than none) | 14:49 |
| xorAxAx | konttori: well, the generated JIT compiler currently slows down most programs | 14:49 |
| xorAxAx | konttori: in order to port it to arm, you need to write a new code generator for the target | 14:50 |
| xorAxAx | unfortunately, llvm doesnt offer the necessary features to fit into the architecture of the result of the partial evaluated program | 14:50 |
| konttori | ahh.. that's sad | 14:52 |
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| konttori | so, basically JIT is out of the question for now for ARM devices | 14:53 |
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| pupnik | xorAxAx: how do you know so much about JIT? | 14:56 |
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| xorAxAx | pupnik: hmm? | 14:58 |
| xorAxAx | pupnik: as i said, i have worked on pypy | 14:58 |
| AD-N770 | kulve: ping | 14:58 |
| pupnik | dosbox on arm needs assembler hackers for the JIT implementation | 14:58 |
| AD-N770 | kulve: have you tried to use DSPlib ? | 14:59 |
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| AD-N770 | kulve: you should try replace speex FIR calling fir2 from DSPLib, only create a header and the define for override like in filters_sse.h | 15:00 |
| AD-N770 | I will try it later | 15:00 |
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| kulve | AD-N770: no, I haven't tried it.. | 15:06 |
| kulve | AD-N770: I rewrote the "Setup the toolchain" chapter | 15:08 |
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| PeanutHead | Is ther any Brazilian here? | 16:05 |
| `0660 | is it enough to live in brazil? or are you only looking for people with citizenship? | 16:07 |
| PeanutHead | No, it doesn't matter, actually | 16:08 |
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| `0660 | how about if a person has the citizenship but doesn't actually live in brazil? :) | 16:09 |
| PeanutHead | Sounds good | 16:10 |
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| sujan | Hello | 16:14 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, sujan | 16:14 |
| sujan | can u tell me please how to make debian? | 16:15 |
| sujan | i am trying last 3 days but can't | 16:15 |
| `0660 | you want to make debian? | 16:15 |
| sujan | ya | 16:16 |
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| script | sujan: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ | 16:16 |
| script | sujan: next time, ask google | 16:16 |
| sujan | inside scratchbox | 16:16 |
| `0660 | you should start with finding about thousand developers who are willing to work free :) | 16:16 |
| `0660 | +for | 16:16 |
| sujan | OK, Thanks | 16:17 |
| sujan | I know you are very helpful | 16:17 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_new_application_bora.html | 16:20 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.htm | 16:20 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html | 16:21 |
| sujan | Thanks | 16:21 |
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| Blacksitox | buenos dias | 17:05 |
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| eichi | hello, how can i start the gpe-apps ? some of them are not in the app menu? are they? | 17:23 |
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| WhisperingVoices | anyone know if I can install QT? | 17:37 |
| c0ffee | yes, no | 17:37 |
| WhisperingVoices | eichi, they should be in Home/Extras/ | 17:37 |
| c0ffee | or well, probably you can | 17:37 |
| WhisperingVoices | On the n800, this is | 17:37 |
| WhisperingVoices | I have a feeling QT won't be ARM compatible | 17:39 |
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| konttori | Infosync world has interesting ideas about n900: http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8262.html | 17:42 |
| konttori | note, it's complete imagination | 17:43 |
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| `0660 | Smart Tablet OS 2008 :P | 17:48 |
| Blacksitox | whatthat application uses in this video? | 17:48 |
| Blacksitox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dltjEnrePxc | 17:48 |
| Blacksitox | Bluetooth port scanning ? | 17:49 |
| `0660 | you want to do hacking too? :) | 17:51 |
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| WhisperingVoices | google for n800 hack xterm root | 17:52 |
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| guardian | haha the clueless journalist (i said that on purpose) | 17:53 |
| guardian | "his mobile pocket pc" | 17:53 |
| WhisperingVoices | in fact ... Blacksitox, http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=security&seqNum=249 <- this | 17:54 |
| Jaffa | konttori: that presumes the re-organisation of Nokia's business units has any real benefits to cross-team co-operation which, in my experience of big companies... it won't | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | in other words, the article suggests a level of joined-up thinking which doesn't exist | 17:59 |
| WhisperingVoices | how crushing is it that the n800 doesn't have (a) java (b) QT :( | 18:00 |
| lle2 | not very crushing | 18:01 |
| lle2 | you can enjoy the superior GTK gui programming experience | 18:01 |
| `0660 | i love java, but i suspect it might be a bit slow on n800 :) | 18:02 |
| lle2 | not any worse than python for sure | 18:03 |
| WhisperingVoices | I can't program, lle2. | 18:04 |
| lle2 | WhisperingVoices: I doubt qt would help with that | 18:05 |
| `0660 | or java... | 18:05 |
| _Monkey | java is really really popular with cs departments now, and with good reason | 18:05 |
| lle2 | somebody should shooth the monkey | 18:05 |
| lle2 | -t | 18:06 |
| `0660 | well, some people code java even though they can't really code :) | 18:06 |
| `0660 | we can only hope the graduates from those cs departments will help on porting jvm's to n800 ;) | 18:08 |
| lle2 | hmm, this bt keyboard with n800 produce totally weird typos and even more bizarre corrections | 18:08 |
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| WhisperingVoices | [16:07] <lle2> WhisperingVoices: I doubt qt would help with that <- no, but it would mean I could run the programs I want to run and not hope someone ports stuff over so I can learn to write my own | 18:09 |
| lle2 | there's that | 18:09 |
| `0660 | who would port the programs? | 18:09 |
| lle2 | community? | 18:09 |
| `0660 | don't trust the community to do your dirty work :) | 18:10 |
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| lle2 | oh, but I do, it just never gets done but that's alright | 18:10 |
| lle2 | since this is open source it's perfect by default | 18:10 |
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| `0660 | i bet qt will be ported eventually if it is really needed | 18:11 |
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| lle2 | there's nothing to it, other than compiling. hildon integration will be something obviously | 18:12 |
| `0660 | but i'm happy while we don't have it as it means i don't need to have so many libraries installed :) | 18:12 |
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| PeanutHead- | How can I get the date of the source files from the Hildon?? | 18:35 |
| PeanutHead- | the date which those files were generated | 18:36 |
| PeanutHead- | anyone? | 18:42 |
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| GS | hi | 18:48 |
| GS | someone has silica software on nokia 770? | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | What's Silica? | 18:49 |
| GS | i would like test it | 18:49 |
| GS | http://www.immunityinc.com/products-silica.shtml | 18:49 |
| GS | auditorywireless tool | 18:49 |
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| Fatal | doubt it's sold as software | 18:56 |
| GS | 3600$ heh | 18:57 |
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| Blacksitox | wow 3600 $ | 19:00 |
| Blacksitox | pff.. | 19:00 |
| GS | but silica are using code gpl? silica is gpl? mmmm | 19:03 |
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| GS | source code of silica? ;) | 19:03 |
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| kikka | hi | 19:11 |
| _Monkey | hello, kikka | 19:11 |
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| MaXDeWinter | Hello everybody | 19:49 |
| MaXDeWinter | i have a little problem, i have a Nokia 770 with Os2007HE, and i'm trying to instal rtcomm, but during the installation i get the error "impossible to install osso-rtcom-beta" | 19:50 |
| GS | jum | 19:51 |
| MaXDeWinter | and then when i run the app, and try to call i get a "Unknow Error" pop up. | 19:51 |
| GS | MaXDeWinter, what firmware? can u send me a link for test ir? | 19:51 |
| GS | *it | 19:51 |
| milhouse | rtcomm isn't compatible with os2007he | 19:51 |
| milhouse | at least, not the current version of os2007he | 19:51 |
| MaXDeWinter | mhm.. =( ok thX milhouse, do you know another sotf to use a sip ? | 19:52 |
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| milhouse | not really - not something i know a lot about. gizmo maybe? | 19:53 |
| GS | i can install os2007he on memory card with OS2006 in flash? | 19:53 |
| MaXDeWinter | i tryied but it doesn't work | 19:53 |
| MaXDeWinter | Gs | 19:54 |
| MaXDeWinter | yes you can | 19:54 |
| MaXDeWinter | http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055129587 | 19:54 |
| milhouse | flash device with os2007he, clone os to memory card, flash device with os2006 | 19:54 |
| MaXDeWinter | there's a good way how to do it | 19:54 |
| GS | MaXDeWinter, how to?!! with bootmenu? | 19:54 |
| MaXDeWinter | any question i'll be here | 19:55 |
| MaXDeWinter | =) | 19:55 |
| GS | ok ;) thank | 19:55 |
| MaXDeWinter | milhouse none version of rtcomm works on os2007he ? | 19:56 |
| GS | i dont have windows :-/ | 19:56 |
| milhouse | max: no, it's only compatible with the latest version of os2007 on n800 | 19:56 |
| MaXDeWinter | gs you don't need W | 19:57 |
| milhouse | s/no/correct/ | 19:57 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: max: correct, it's only compatible with the latest version of os2007 on n800 | 19:57 |
| GS | om ok ok hehe | 19:57 |
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| MaXDeWinter | look for linux-flasher | 19:58 |
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| MaXDeWinter | milhouse ok, ThX =) | 19:58 |
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| MaXDeWinter | anybody know how to use voipstunt on a 770 ? | 19:59 |
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| MaXDeWinter | or a least a sip ? | 20:05 |
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| PeanutHead- | Is there anybody here that can help me with Hildon? | 20:09 |
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| GS | MaXDeWinter, do you see flash (youtube) with os2007he and microb? | 20:13 |
| GS | in 770 of course ;) | 20:14 |
| Bobsworth | help! my N800 is dead, it hangs at the loading screen with the bar halfway. Last thing I did was apt-get upgrade some stuff, then some applications stopped working (outputting stuff about osso_g_cache or something) then I rebooted and this | 20:15 |
| derf | You'll probably have to re-flash. | 20:15 |
| Bobsworth | is there any way I can back up stuff from the flash filesystem? | 20:16 |
| derf | If there is, I don't know how to do it. | 20:16 |
| derf | You're supposed to make backups before things fail. | 20:17 |
| Bobsworth | I tried flashing the kernel and initfs, no luck | 20:17 |
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| Bobsworth | It should have some failsafe console or something | 20:19 |
| Bobsworth | or at least a way to output what's happening in the boot sequence | 20:20 |
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| MaXDeWinter | GS nope | 20:22 |
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| jubei_ | how do i get a memory card out of the "external" slot | 20:28 |
| jubei_ | nevermind | 20:33 |
| Sulis | hehe | 20:33 |
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| MaXDeWinter | Anonyone Know how to make work a Nokia 770 + SIP ? | 20:40 |
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| MaXDeWinter | Anonyone Know how to make work a Nokia 770 + SIP ? | 20:41 |
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| PeanutHead- | Is there anybody here that can help me with Hildon? | 21:05 |
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| bmk789 | is there a way to run a full maemo 2007OS in a VM? | 21:23 |
| zakx_ | not including the various nokia closed source parts | 21:23 |
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| bmk789 | so the only way to try out the OS is on the device? | 21:25 |
| MaXDeWinter | anybody know how is the dial format to call using gizmoproject and sip.voipbuster.com ? | 21:25 |
| zakx | bmk789: you could install a scratchbox environment | 21:26 |
| zakx | bmk789: but that's missing all nokia apps.. like the browser, IM, etc. | 21:26 |
| zakx | bmk789: it's no comparison. | 21:26 |
| bmk789 | ya ive got the vmware image | 21:26 |
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| bmk789 | i was hoping to test out the interface before purchasing the device | 21:27 |
| bmk789 | i guess not | 21:27 |
| zakx | you could ask a n800 owner to try their device via vnc | 21:29 |
| bmk789 | thats a good idea | 21:29 |
| bmk789 | is vncserver built into maemo? | 21:30 |
| zakx | no, but there's a seperate package | 21:30 |
| zakx | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 21:30 |
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| bmk789 | ill see if i can try that | 21:32 |
| bmk789 | thanks | 21:32 |
| zakx | you're welcome | 21:32 |
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| timelyx | lle2: re: skype, nice | 21:59 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 22:02 |
| PeanutHead- | Is there anybody here that can help me with Hildon? | 22:06 |
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| NeoStrider | PeanutHead-: we do what we can | 22:07 |
| NeoStrider | tell me your issue | 22:07 |
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| NeoStrider | s/with/without/ | 22:12 |
| timelyx | http://www.amazon.com/Lucys-Advice-Charles-M-Schulz/dp/0689854730 | 22:12 |
| timelyx | maybe it's 5c? i guess i adjusted for inflation | 22:13 |
| NeoStrider | ahhh...that lucy | 22:13 |
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| PeanutHead- | I was wondering if Hildon has User manual in other languages? | 22:18 |
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| PeanutHead- | Can anybody tell me the date of the last release from Hildon? | 22:24 |
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| MaXDeWinter | =.( buaaaa, i can't make workina a landline call using gizmoproject and sip.voipsunt.com =( | 22:25 |
| MaXDeWinter | any help ? | 22:25 |
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| _Shurik_ | Heya | 22:28 |
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| theril | Hello, has anyone here gotten xrandr working with N800? | 22:34 |
| _Shurik_ | What's that? | 22:34 |
| theril | I've installed libxrandr package from repository.maemo.org and compiled a xrandr binary, but it complains "Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing" | 22:34 |
| theril | And I added +extension Xrandr to /etc/init.d/x-server | 22:35 |
| theril | (Which may be wrong) | 22:35 |
| Blacksitox | buuhh!! my avahi-daemon its broken :( help me | 22:35 |
| theril | _Shurik_: xrandr is an extension to X-server which enables user to change resolution and rotete screen | 22:36 |
| theril | _Shurik_: Could be used to for example "left handed mode", or using the device vertically | 22:36 |
| _Shurik_ | Aaah... Interesting | 22:37 |
| theril | Yep | 22:39 |
| timelyx | you'd need an xserver built w/ support, no? | 22:44 |
| theril | timelyx: I don't know, but I guess not | 22:45 |
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| theril | There's instructions to enable it on 770, but it doesn't mention any X configs and it needs a custom kernel | 22:46 |
| theril | Hmm.. or is the libxrandr just the client side library? | 22:48 |
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| theril | Does anybody have played with XComposite on maemo? | 22:51 |
| theril | I read somewhere that Chinook would have support for it | 22:51 |
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| Blacksitox | http://rafb.net/p/gherol10.html <- help me | 22:56 |
| Blacksitox | some idea of like solving this? | 22:56 |
| theril | Blacksitox: Is that on device or scratchbox? | 22:56 |
| `0660 | reboot? | 22:56 |
| theril | No need to reboot | 22:56 |
| NeoStrider | hey folks | 22:58 |
| Blacksitox | hi NeoStrider | 22:58 |
| NeoStrider | my engine worked with a multiplayer module attached! | 22:58 |
| NeoStrider | now all I need to now is how bad is the latency between two 770s on the same AP | 22:58 |
| NeoStrider | anyone with two units? | 22:59 |
| milhouse | timeless? | 22:59 |
| timelyx | ? | 23:00 |
| milhouse | got a bug in micro-b i wanted to run past you before filing | 23:01 |
| milhouse | i have a minimal test case | 23:01 |
| timelyx | yum | 23:01 |
| milhouse | you may be aware of it already - it concerns variable width images | 23:01 |
| NeoStrider | all I need is some ping | 23:01 |
| milhouse | test page: http://217.155.26.150/public/pda/test/test.html | 23:01 |
| timelyx | note: my vacation starts friday. i'll be away for a month | 23:01 |
| milhouse | doesn't display correctly in micro-b, fine in firefox 2 (on xp) | 23:01 |
| milhouse | timless: vacation? who ok'd that??? | 23:01 |
| milhouse | that's soo wrong :( | 23:01 |
| milhouse | ;) | 23:02 |
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| timelyx | wow | 23:06 |
| timelyx | not entirely surprising, but i don't know of a report | 23:06 |
| milhouse | ok, i'll go ahead and open one | 23:06 |
| timelyx | it's presumably because of the alternate gfx impl | 23:06 |
| timelyx | thanks | 23:06 |
| milhouse | np | 23:06 |
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| Blacksitox | http://rafb.net/p/nHDz1s24.html <-- some idea of like solving this? | 23:18 |
| Blacksitox | I cannot install canola :( | 23:19 |
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| theril | Anybody have xdpyinfo compiled for maemo? | 23:21 |
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| theril | Ok, I have one now :) | 23:24 |
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| timelyx | milhouse: i don't suppose you could help me come up w/ better descriptions for products on bugs.maemo? :) | 23:28 |
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| WhisperingVoices | is there any navigation software for the n800? | 23:33 |
| theril | WhisperingVoices: MaemoMapper | 23:33 |
| celesteh_rules | maemo mapper | 23:33 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ | 23:33 |
| celesteh_rules | monkey is finely useful | 23:33 |
| WhisperingVoices | I love you monkey. | 23:33 |
| celesteh_rules | it is a really good program | 23:33 |
| theril | Damn, for some reason maemo's xorg-server won't take --enable-randr | 23:34 |
| timelyx | i hope you mean mapper and not monkey | 23:34 |
| celesteh_rules | especially good witha bluetooth gps dongle | 23:34 |
| * celesteh_rules means mapper | 23:34 | |
| celesteh_rules | saved the day several times on my last bike trip | 23:35 |
| timelyx | um | 23:35 |
| celesteh_rules | however, battery life is shortened a lot, i think because of the bluetooth connection | 23:35 |
| timelyx | does maemo really not support ext2? | 23:35 |
| celesteh_rules | you get maybe 3 hours if you only turn on the display sparingly | 23:35 |
| theril | Hmm.. I read from logs that [mbm] has had a X server with RANDR enabled | 23:35 |
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| celesteh_rules | which reminds me . . . little generators that you can attach to a bike tire generate 6 V, 3W. Could I plug this directly into the n800 charger? | 23:36 |
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| smokie | I have a problem with rising processor load (caused by jffs2_gcd_mtd4) and automatic reboots on my N770 with OS 2006 49-2. Reflashing the device helps, but that`s not what i want to do every 14 days. The Last time it happened while using maemo-mapper and a BT GPS device. Any hints ? | 23:48 |
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| timelyx | smokie: where is mapper storing its maps? | 23:51 |
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| smokie | on mmc | 23:51 |
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| celesteh_rules | that shouldn't happen. you might be accidentally filling up all your memory | 23:52 |
| timelyx | what is /usr/bin/chage ? | 23:52 |
| timelyx | df -h | 23:53 |
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| smokie | right after boot the system is accesible and i can start xtrem an top where i can see jffs2_gcd_mtd4 preformance rising up. After some minutes xterm gets closed and after some more, the device reboots. | 23:54 |
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| sp3000 | smokie: version? | 23:55 |
| sp3000 | oh, you mentioned | 23:55 |
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| sp3000 | but yeah, what timelyx said, don't store huge amounts of files (like map tiles) in internal flash | 23:56 |
| timelyx | i didn't actually say that, but what sp3000 said :) | 23:57 |
| smokie | /dev/mtdblock4 -> /mnt/initfs 2M use 0100% .... and .... /dev/mtdblock4 -> / ??? Use 89% | 23:57 |
| smokie | the map files are stored on MMC | 23:57 |
| milhouse | timeless: hopefully bug 1955 is to your satisfaction :) | 23:58 |
| _Monkey | Bug 1955 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1955 | 23:58 |
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| sp3000 | smokie: what about jffs2_gcd_mtd4 grows? | 23:59 |
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