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trevarthandhr: the ThinkOutside/iGO keyboards work "ok". Not great, but "ok".00:08
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proctois there a distutils for maemo yet?00:43
proctoI want to install SOAPpy00:44
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proctooh, hm, looks like it's already there00:45
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Chili2is maemo-mapper not working in os2007?01:19
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Chili2libosso-help seems to be the issue01:50
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setitefm radio rocks02:00
setitethat fm tuner saved me today at work02:01
setitei work construction... in a hotel tower being built... phone network doesnt work well so i have to leave the phone in the hallway... so bluetooth wasnt cutting it... and i got bored with the music i had on it.. but i enjoyed listening to fm for the first time in years02:01
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trevarthansetite: fm over A2DP. That would be cool. FM pause/ff/rew would be cool too, but probably too hard on the memcards.02:17
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setiteplease soemoen help me03:56
setitei beg of you03:56
setiteim no good in linux03:56
setitei cant get RD mode enabled on ym n80003:56
gomiamsetite03:59
gomiaminstall becomeroot03:59
gomiam(which may require entering red pill mode)03:59
gomiamsee http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode on how to activate red pill mode04:00
gomiamwhile you are installing becomeroot, you may want to install osso-xterm too so you can have a console04:01
gomiamanyway, what do you want RD mode for, setite?04:01
milhousexterm is the only reason to install becomeroot/R&D mode... no?04:01
milhouseor i suppose ssh04:02
gomiammilhouse: I don't know. Cause and effect are such vague concepts ;-)04:02
milhouse:)04:02
milhousebecomeroot?04:02
_Monkeybecomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot04:02
gomiamI'll get back to cataloging galaxies.04:02
gomiam:-D04:02
milhouseshouldn't need red pill mode to install becomeroot04:02
milhousegomiam: slacker04:03
milhouse;)04:03
gomiamoh. Figures I wouldn't think about installing becomeroot directly. Must be I'm a CLI man :-)04:03
gomiammilhouse: join Galaxy Zoo04:03
gomiama useful way to lose your time :-D04:04
milhouseall my 770/n800 devices have been in R&D mode since the day i bought them... what's becomeroot? ;)04:04
gomiam:-D04:05
gomiamI won't be baited like that :-P04:05
gomiamon a tangent, why does "being baited" mean "to have a bait put in front of oneself" when it should mean "to be used as bait"? :-D04:06
milhouseit means someone is trying to attract you... with bait04:07
milhouseso i think it's correct04:07
setiteok the guys in #ubuntu helped me04:08
setitei had no rights to use the flasher04:08
milhouseyou mean you cheated on us?04:08
gomiamoh, the despair04:08
setitesorry... i figured it was an ubuntu problem since that OS doesnt like me04:09
gomiamall our responses will be lost... in time... like cheers... in the crowd (or something like that) :-D04:09
setiteok x terminal runs...04:09
gomiamgood04:09
setitenow why did i want RD mode anyway04:09
setitehaha04:09
setiteit just made my startup unpretty04:09
gomiamoh?04:09
setitemakes me feel all leet now04:09
milhouseyou always need root for flasher :)04:09
gomiam:-D04:10
setitecan i run all my hacker tools now04:10
milhousecan't beat the green text04:10
milhousesetite: um... eh?04:10
milhousesetite: now that you have root access you can do pretty much anything04:10
gomiamhacker... as in aircrack? :-D04:10
setiteshit did i say hacker.. haha my bad.. i was getting a phonecall04:11
gomiam(on unrelated matters, it's been a few days since aircrack-ng on Maemo evolved to 0.9.1, so I finally can Rumpeltinskin my way through Telefónica's stupid WEP key scheme)04:11
setiteyea aircrack.. tcpdump.. wireless-tools... nmap04:12
setitethe fun shit04:12
gomiamyes, you can04:12
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gomiamso very useful04:12
setitewell i mean i have them installed.. btu cant see them04:12
setitecli apps right04:12
gomiamyup04:12
setiteoh nmap runs now...04:12
setitei dont think it ran before04:12
gomiamit probably ran before, but it threw its results where you couldn't see.04:13
setitethis is possible too04:13
setiteok so am i like in full linux goodness now04:14
setitedo i need redpill04:14
gomiamI must go to sleep _now_. I'm starting to draw on quantum physics quotes.04:14
gomiam:-D04:14
setitewhat i need is a fucking physics04:14
gomiamsetite: you probably don't but I quite like it.04:14
gomiamthen again, I've been apt-getting my way through everything lately04:14
gomiamso...04:14
setiteyea i need a keyboard04:14
gomiamdon't buy Zaapa ZA-60004:15
setitehunt and pecking sucks.. and the handwriting is a joke04:15
gomiamerr..04:15
gomiamZA-BK60004:15
setitebut im not a true PDA guy so maybe thats why04:15
setitezaapa??04:15
gomiamit only allows SPP04:15
setitei was thinking stoway04:15
setitei just need a cheap bt keyboard04:15
gomiamsetite: and simple support to get it running04:15
gomiamotherwise....04:15
* gomiam is checking whether stowaway supports HID04:16
gomiamit looks like it does04:16
milhousestowaways are fine, support HID. my sierra works no problem.04:16
setitewhats cheapest that works04:17
setiteand do you use a fullsize or something small like stowaway04:17
gomiamI was shooting for a kbd I saw on eBay, but I was offline at the critical time04:18
gomiamfunnily, nobody even tried to get it.04:18
setiteyea thats what happened to me04:19
setitei was watching it for 4 horus.. and spaced it in the last hour04:19
gomiamwhich reminds me I'm to try and buy a couple of USB Wifi cards with SMA antenna connection04:19
setiteand on another one i bid within 30 secs of close04:19
gomiam(at last there are cards like that)04:19
setiteand got swooped by a pro within 5 secs04:19
gomiamow04:19
gomiamthat's gotta hurt04:19
setiteyea04:19
setitewell that was on a n800 actually :)04:20
setitethe keyboard was the 4 hour space04:20
setitei was trying to get one for under 35004:20
setitefinally gave up and bought it at a retailer04:20
setitei should have picked a better retailer04:20
setitecompusa extended warranties are costly04:20
gomiam350? What currency?04:20
setiteUS04:20
setiteebay they go for around 350 give or take with shipping04:20
gomiamoh, you mean $350 for the N80004:21
gomiam:-D04:21
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setitei think im gonna keep the ubuntu VM04:21
setiteso i can relearn it04:21
setiteit will help me in learning my n800 as well04:21
setiteyou know what we need04:22
setitean overclocking app :)04:22
gomiamsay, what would you think of a USB WiFi with external SMA antenna for EUR30,10 (taxes included)?04:23
* nchntr pats himself on the back04:26
nchntri got my 770 booting from flash or mmc04:27
nchntri got my usb host mode enabled, cable made (found out later that u can get them at bestbuy) got my external usb harddrive/jumdrive/sd reader showing up in the /dev04:28
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nchntranyone with some linux/maemo experience could tell me the correct place to mount them?  /mnt/ or /dev/ /media/ ?04:29
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trevarthanCan anyone tell me how to put screenshots on the application page of maemo.org?04:33
Luriatrev, btw, i wasnt able to reproduce my problems with the scanner04:33
Luriacan i manually delete the db?04:34
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trevarthanLuria: yeah.04:36
trevarthanI found the screenshot thing, BTW.04:37
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pupnikwhat did i miss05:15
N800nada05:15
N800i found a much better suited paint/sketch program....that i think i might be able to hildon...05:15
N800by the same dude who made mtpaint.05:16
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erstazipupnik, I got a question for you, its driving me crazy05:21
erstaziI got scratchbox setup, I got the user and all05:21
pupniknice N80005:21
erstazibut I cannot get pass this: http://tinyurl.com/2u9gpk05:22
pupnikerstazi: you're in luck, i have a 2.2 working here and N800 has a working 3.005:22
pupnikthe login?05:22
erstaziyes05:22
pupnikwhat is your host os, and what is the error you see after login command05:23
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erstaziif I am as normal user in terminal on the pc, it says I don't have permissions, then if I go as root, it says I don't have permissions05:23
N800erstazi, what distro?05:23
erstazilet me make sure thats exact05:23
erstaziUbuntu 7.0405:23
N800dude05:23
N800install via the debs05:23
N800http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=35105:24
N800you cannot go wrong05:24
pupnikyeah that's how i did it - with the debs - but maybe we can fix the error first05:24
oraklehey05:24
N800follow those instructions.05:24
oraklehave any of you had luck with using WEP and PEAP on the nokia 770?05:24
orakleMy university's wireless runs that and so far I haven't been able to connect05:24
erstazimain@main:/$ /usr/bin/scratchbox05:24
erstazibash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied05:24
pupniknice link N80005:25
erstaziN800, I did05:25
N800not sure about the PEAP05:25
oraklenormal WEP is okay05:25
erstazithese were installed by debs05:25
N800yes05:25
pupnikls -l /usr/bin/scratchbox05:25
pupniklrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-03-13 20:16 /usr/bin/scratchbox -> /scratchbox/login05:25
erstaziok05:25
oraklebut this is equivalent to the "dynamic wep" or "key is provided for me" setting in windows05:25
pupnikls -l /scratchbox/login05:25
pupnik-rwxr-xr-x 1 root sbox 7009 2006-11-30 02:31 /scratchbox/login05:25
erstazilrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-08-06 17:51 /usr/bin/scratchbox -> /scratchbox/login05:26
erstazithe group is root05:26
erstazishit05:26
erstaziok I got that05:26
erstazisorry05:26
erstazistupid question05:26
pupnikand your normal user needs to be in sbox group i think05:26
erstaziit is05:26
N800yes05:26
erstaziI can't believe I forgot all about that being the root group05:26
erstaziI thought being a deb it would set it up05:26
pupnikorakle: dunno05:26
oraklethere seems to be some support for it in linux under wpa_supplicant05:27
oraklebut i haven't been able to find a binary package of it for the 77005:27
erstaziI thought WEP could be cracked05:28
pupnikerstazi: if you get this error let me know Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!05:28
erstaziisn't WPA more secure?05:28
erstazipupnik, do you get that error?05:28
erstaziI will have to keep a lookout for that05:28
orakleerstazi, it is, but i'm stuck with what my university is using05:28
oraklethey probably use wep for compatibility with dated wifi gear05:28
N800erstazi, wpa aes05:28
N800erstazi, wpa2 aes05:28
pupnikIf you boot a kernel without VDSO support and attempt to login to the Scratchbox environment you will recieve the following error.05:29
erstaziah05:30
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pupnikvdso = Virtual Dynamic Shared Objects, not enabled in all kernels05:33
pupniki have to make all sdl games work like marbles05:36
pupnikthat thing is perfect05:36
erstazipupnik, how do I know if VDSO is enabled?05:37
pupnikif you don't get the error on login you are ok05:38
erstaziI keep getting a permissions issue05:40
erstazithis time about needing to log out and log back in to be set for the sbox group05:40
erstaziugh05:40
pupnikyeah that one was strange05:42
erstaziI got a headache and I don't want to read documentation tonight05:42
pupnikdont05:43
pupnikyou can reboot and all will be well, i think05:43
erstaziyeah05:45
erstaziI just need to read more on this05:45
erstaziI understand it is a sandbox and all05:45
erstaziand self contained05:45
erstazibut blah05:45
erstazibrb reboot05:45
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bldewolforakle, WEP with EAP doesn't work :(05:46
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erstazifresh installs reboot very fast05:49
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oraklebldewolf i know :)05:51
oraklewhat's in the way of it working though?05:51
oraklethat is to say, if i get scratchbox up and running and compile wpa_supplicant with the 770 as a target, would it work?05:52
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bldewolfno idea05:56
bldewolfI was going to try doing that myself, in a similar situation05:56
erstaziwb pupnik_05:56
bldewolfeither wpa_supplicant or xsupplicant05:56
bldewolfat my work we support WEP/WPA with EAP, but my 770 still doesn't work because our AP's advertise WEP with EAP instead of WPA...05:57
erstaziERROR: '/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid' is not suid ROOT.05:57
erstaziugh05:57
pupnik_you don't have scratchbox on a vfat partition or something crazy, do you?05:58
erstazipupnik, no, ext305:59
pupnik_ ls -al /scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid06:00
pupnik_-rwsr-xr-- 1 root sbox 474123 2006-11-30 02:59 /scratchbox/sbin/chroot-ui06:00
erstaziyeah I already did that06:02
erstazils -al /scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid06:02
erstazi-rwxr-xr-- 1 root sbox 474123 2007-08-01 08:31 /scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid06:02
bldewolfdid you mount the volume with nosuid?06:03
erstaziits not mounted06:03
erstaziits on my / filesystem06:03
bldewolfwell, / is a volume :)06:03
erstaziheh06:03
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oraklesomeone needs to make a fully setup scratchbox in a vmware image06:04
oraklethat would be awesome.06:04
erstaziyes, orakle, I was just thinking that06:05
erstaziscary that you thought that, really is06:05
oraklehehe06:05
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erstaziI am checking the past channel logs06:05
oraklei've got debian 4 installed in vm now.. apt-getting all the packages06:05
pupnik_there is one06:05
orakleoh really06:05
erstaziorakle, don't move the vmware files on your computer06:05
* erstazi slaps himself upon pupnik_'s statement06:06
erstaziwhere at?06:06
oraklethat would save some time :D06:06
pupnik_i can google if you have trouble06:06
erstaziI can google also06:06
bldewolforakle, wpa_supplicant wants "debhelper (>= 5.0.0) libreadline5-dev libqt4-dev" which aren't available06:06
erstazihttp://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3468   ??06:07
bldewolfI'm betting I could get away without the qt dependencies...maybe the readline...but what does debhelper do?06:07
oraklelooks like a nice torrent is available: http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=346806:07
erstaziI thought debhelper was available06:07
oraklehaha06:07
oraklebeat me to it06:08
erstaziorakle, dude, are we twins?06:08
pupnik_it helps build packages - you can try forcing the debhelper compatibility to 406:08
erstaziscary06:08
erstazireally is06:08
pupnik_you can edit debian/compat and change 5 to 4 and see if it still builds06:09
oraklepretty good spead too..06:09
pupnik_50% of the time or more that will work06:09
oraklespeed*06:09
erstaziorakle, yeah we are probably the only two leechers out there06:09
erstaziit went from 100% seeders to 75% seeders06:10
erstaziso if 25% are leechers06:10
erstazithat means there are 8 seeders06:10
erstazithat was a fast torrent06:11
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oraklei see 4 seeds in the swarm so far.. 1 peer which is probably you06:11
erstazihi Chili206:11
erstaziyeah06:11
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erstazivmware changed their site06:13
erstaziugh06:13
erstaziuse to be so easy to find virtual apps06:14
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orakletorrents for legal stuff06:15
oraklewho'd of thought :P06:15
erstaziorakle, http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/70206:16
erstazipupnik_, if you get the chance, will this install work with the 770? I didn't think maemo 3.0 bora was for the 770 with OS200606:16
orakleit brings you to the torrent06:17
Lurialegal torrents?06:17
erstazidammit its not06:17
erstaziits for the n80006:17
Luriawhat do they use that for??06:17
oraklewhat is06:17
Luriacreative commons porn?06:17
pupnik_erstazi: only for it2007he and then you can also have problems06:17
orakleoh, crap;.06:17
pupnik_many old movies on publicdomaintorrents.com06:17
erstazihmm06:17
erstazithen I should just scrap the debs06:18
erstaziand do the tar install06:18
* orakle fires up vmware again and goes back to downloading packages..06:18
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erstaziorakle, do you have a 770 or n800?06:21
orakle77006:21
erstazihonestly man, I would just partition and install ubuntu06:22
erstazithe 770 and ubuntu (since its debian based) talk very nicely06:22
pupnik_sidux!06:23
_Monkeysidux is, like, a distro that tracks debian sid and catches problems/incompatibilities in an updater script.  Very fast/light livecd.  Very fast/clean install.  The less-annoying alternative to Ubuntu.  http://www.sidux.com06:23
pupnik_good monkey06:23
erstazipupnik_, which scratchbox 1.0.x do you have?06:23
erstaziorakle, or sidux as pupnik_ petted his monkey with haah06:23
pupnik_i don't remember06:24
oraklea livecd though?06:24
pupnik_it can run as livecd or installer06:24
oraklei see06:24
erstaziorakle, same with ubuntu06:25
pupnik_the lite version is cool too - under a gig installed iirc06:25
orakledoes it default to graphical?06:25
pupnik_yeah06:25
erstaziorakle, both do, also DSL is nice06:25
orakledebian did that to me and i can't even figure out how to make it go away06:25
oraklei jsut want cmd line :P06:25
erstaziorakle, you can get livecd's that do that06:26
pupnik_then edit /etc/inittab and change 5 to 306:26
orakledebian's "default install" includes the kitchen sink, it bothers me :P06:26
orakleit's already at 2 pup06:26
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Luriaanyone try elive?06:26
pupnik_orakle: then you can start with debbootstrap and build your own sid06:26
Luriaits a pretty neat distrib06:27
setitedistrib?06:28
setitedistro?06:28
Luriasame deal06:28
Luria;-)06:28
Luriabut yes, distro is what was thought, but didnt quite make it to the keyboard06:29
Luriait runs very nicely on old hardware but is very pretty06:29
bldewolfI tried to build wpa_supplicant without dependencies...does " fakeroot debian/rules clean" then "test -x debian/rules" then "make: *** [testdir] Error 1" :(06:30
Luriajust went 1.0 in july06:30
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Luriaf* my 1.8" notebook hdd. it's swapping more than a san fran couple in the 70s.06:31
oraklehahaha06:32
oraklenever heard that one before06:32
Luria'cause i just made it up. i have all this time you see, cause my notebook isnt doing much.06:33
pupnik_Isaac ben Solomon Luria?06:34
bldewolfoh, that was a dumb error, debian/rules needed +x06:34
Luriais there any other?06:35
pupnik_obscure nicks are cool06:35
Luriawell, the fall backs are abulafia and metatron which arent as obscure as they used to be, but so it goes.06:36
bldewolf"/scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/../lib/libpthread.so.0: undefined reference to `errno@GLIBC_PRIVATE'" any ideas?06:36
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Luriasometimes ibnNagrela, which no one gets and everyone thinks im an arab.06:36
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bldewolfis there a way to build one specific package out of the several that come from a source package?06:53
pupnik_good question bldewolf,06:57
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bldewolfoh cool06:57
pupnik_tell me if you find it out06:57
bldewolfdeleting it from debian/control worked06:57
pupnik_ah thx06:58
bldewolf(wpasupplicant comes with wpagui, which is a qt gui)06:58
bldewolfjust pulled its entry out of control and it didn't seem to build it anymore...06:58
pupnik_i was mucking with rules - good to know06:59
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bldewolfyeah I tried taking it out of rules but it just complained when it tried to copy the file that wasn't built07:00
erstazibldewolf, I always thought meta packaging did that07:04
bldewolfmeta packaging?07:05
pupnik_you can read through the debian new maintainers guide, but there's a lot to learn07:06
oraklebldewolf, lemme know if you get supplicant working07:06
oraklei've had enough messing around with scratchbox for one night07:07
oraklegot class tomorrow07:07
erstaziyeah I am going to take a break from all this07:07
erstaziI never had this much trouble with installing a deb07:08
erstazimust be something odd about it, and this is a fresh install of this distro07:08
erstaziwith all the required items I normally install07:08
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bldewolforakle, sure thing.  I won't be able to really test it until tomorrow, though.07:18
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erstaziI got into scratchbox finally07:32
erstaziyay07:32
erstazipupnik_, done deal, thanks for the heal and * (everyone) else07:33
erstaziI will read up tonight the docs07:33
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pupnik_ok cheers07:34
bldewolfany idea if missing lsb-base>= 3.0-6 will cause significant problems?07:35
erstazipupnik_, I appreciate your help though, it has made my experience with this community better than all the *nix communities I have been part of07:36
erstaziall of these people that contribute are overall very helpful07:37
pupnik_you're welcome :)07:39
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pupnik_dunno bldewolf - i found a lot of things missing compared to my debian box07:40
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erstaziwhat is a good way to find out the version of the OS on Nokia770?07:42
erstaziI want to know the version of maemo for say07:43
MobileSimControl Panel, About Device, I think.07:43
nightwritertools => control panel => abou device07:44
erstazithank you07:44
nightwriterdang I peck to slow07:44
erstaziheh07:44
erstaziok, so IT OS 2006 with Version: 3.2006.49-2 means its maemo3 right?07:45
erstaziI am just clearing up what I think is right with what is right07:45
nightwriterversion 3 of 2006 yes07:45
pupnik_i think maemo is technically teh development environment07:46
pupnik_and ITOS is the OS on the nokia tablets07:46
pupnik_3.0 usually refers to it2007 / bora07:46
pupnik_2.2 usually refers to it200607:47
nightwriter2007 is version 4.xxxx07:48
erstaziah07:48
erstaziyeah I wasn't sure about that07:48
erstazibecause I see scratchbox-devkit-maemo3_1.0_i386.deb  and I was wondering if I should grab that07:48
nightwriterIn my case I'm in front of my n800 not laptop can't remember.07:51
pupnik_i only have Package: scratchbox-devkit-debian Version: 1.0.7.107:52
erstazinightwriter, I appreciate it anyways07:52
erstazipupnik_, aye07:52
erstaziI have that as well07:52
erstazipupnik_, which scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux do you have?07:53
pupnik_scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 - cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 compiler for Scratchbox07:53
pupnik_scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm - cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm compiler for Scratchbox07:54
pupnik_i only use the glibc-arm though07:54
erstaziah07:56
erstazipupnik_, thank you07:57
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Chili2erstazi, I installed OS200708:15
erstaziChanServ, how did it go so far?08:17
erstazidid you do dual boot?08:17
Chili2no08:18
Chili2Not sure about it ...seems a little slower than os200608:18
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erstaziChili2 Chili you got a n770 right?08:27
erstaziOS2007 is optimized for a n800 more08:27
erstazibrb loo08:27
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Chiliyup I got a n77008:30
erstaziChili, yeah, you can go with OS2007HE08:31
erstaziI hear better results08:31
Chilino I realised that it was really more suited for the n800, I wanted to see how usable it was08:31
ChiliI think thats was I have08:31
ChiliSU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin08:32
erstaziyeah08:35
N800born ultimatum, 2 thumbs up08:35
N800or is that bourne08:37
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MobileSimIs there anything like Dia for Maemo?08:56
MobileSim(770)08:56
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erstaziMobileSim, Dia? hmm what is Dia?09:01
erstazia drawing app?09:01
erstaziMobileSim, http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/dia-drawing-program.html09:02
erstaziMobileSim, let me make that a tinyurl09:03
erstazi@tinyurl http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/dia-drawing-program.html09:03
erstaziMobileSim, http://tinyurl.com/2mkwo209:03
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MobileSimerstazi: Thanks, sorry, got distracted.09:07
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MobileSimIt's possible at the moment to create Maemo GUI apps completely in Python, right?09:17
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bldewolfI haven't done it but I think it's done in the guides09:20
Chiliwhere is the mmc mounted?09:20
MobileSim /media/mmc1/ I think.09:21
whaqHow much is (the average) effort to Hildonize a GTK app?09:22
bldewolfwhat file do I put the names of modules into to make them load on startup?09:22
bldewolftrying to automate the loading of the nfs modules09:22
ChiliMobileSim, I didn't see /media for looking09:22
Chilirhanks09:22
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MobileSimwhaq, I think I read that it could be as trivial as changing just a handful of lines.09:23
MobileSimBut I'm not certain on that.09:24
MobileSimThe only real changes I could think of needing to be made are GUI redesigns (if you have, say, a 550px tall preferences window), and anything for x86-specific stuff needing to be redone for ARM. But I'm completely uncertain on that.09:27
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Chilihow much of an issue is this n770 not ging into standby in os200709:28
dpb_There is no n770.. it's just 770.. <.<09:41
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MobileSimSo does no one know for sure if:09:56
MobileSimIt's possible at the moment to create Maemo GUI apps completely in Python, right?09:57
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timelyxLuria: do you have hebrew fonts installed? (which)09:58
Luriayes09:58
Luriai ended up using the ms unicode arial09:58
Luriacause it was easy and  sans serif09:59
Luriano problems on os2007  on n80009:59
Luriaexcept for opera09:59
timelyxPhil770_: what os ver and what .deb url didn't work correctly? (i can test from work)09:59
Luriawhich isnt doing rtl text, the fonts show up, but the words are backwards09:59
Luriamicrob handles it fine, its bugs notwidthstanding10:00
timelyxLuria: bugs?10:01
timelyxLuria: could you setup a normal linux w/ *only* arial and a standard minefield nightly and try to reproduce them?10:02
timelyx(I'd suggest using the same X server scratchbox people use)10:02
timelyxLuria: if the bugs don't happen there, please file10:02
timelyxhttps://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800&component=Browser%20(Mozilla%20Engine)&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux10:03
Luriatimelyx, i mean bugs with microb. i should add there are a number of non nokia apps that have problems with hebrew10:03
timelyxbe sure to include steps to get arial10:03
Luriawell, i cant advise people to take a copy off windows10:04
timelyxLuria: isn't there a package?10:04
Luriabut there are other unicode ttf fonts of various usable licenses10:04
melmothMobileSim is is possible to create a gui app completly with python10:04
timelyxLuria: i don't really care which font you pick10:04
timelyxi just want precise results10:04
timelyxyou can say cmd /c copy  %systemroot%\fonts\fontname.ttf %nokiammc%:\10:05
MobileSimmelmoth, sweet! What about homepage apps?10:05
timelyxso long as it's precise and easy for me to setup the equivalent env10:05
melmoththe little applet in the desktop ?10:05
MobileSimYeah.10:05
melmothnot right now as far as i know.10:05
timelyxwe have wXP, and office 2003, so if the font is part of either of those, it's managable10:05
melmothbut i have read a blog entry showing how it will be so easy to do in a version to come10:06
Luriaah10:06
Luriaone sec10:06
timelyxLuria: well, i'll go to work, if you file a bug, i'll get the mail10:06
timelyxi really don't want bug reports on irc10:06
Luriaum nothing to report10:07
timelyx(i also don't want useless ones in the bug database; but as long as you provide *complete* steps in a bug report, i'll gladly follow them)10:07
MobileSimExcellent. Good to know. Guess that gives me some time to plan my apps well. :)10:07
Luriajust was saying general bugs in microb.10:07
MobileSimThanks.10:07
Lurianot rtl bugs10:07
timelyxoh10:07
* timelyx finally gets it10:07
timelyxwell, are the non rtl microb bugs filed?10:07
timelyxare these layout or interaction?10:08
Luriaactually, from what i hear, many are fixed10:08
timelyxyeah, we've fixed the big ones ...10:08
Luriapop up keyboard, for example10:08
timelyxyeah10:08
timelyxthat was *really* stupid10:08
Luriaabout:config is annoyinh10:08
timelyxon_any_key_up show_keyboard()10:08
Luriaannoying10:08
timelyxLuria: i gave you the fix for that one, right?10:08
Luriayeah, but it doesnt help with snav, as we discussed10:09
* timelyx nods10:09
Luriathough searching works10:09
Luriabtw, i suspect the problem with opera is that it simply doesnt have rtl locales10:10
Luriai didnt want to "add" one to my profile by undoing en_us10:10
Luriaand switching to he_il10:10
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melmothMobileSim, http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/23/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop-updated/10:11
Luriai would like switchable inputs with mapping10:11
Lurialike the accesibility mini keyboard in windows10:11
Luriai think the maemo wiki rtl how to used to cover it, but the how to changed from rtl support to complete localization10:12
MobileSimmelmoth: Thanks a ton!10:13
Luriatimelyx,10:16
Luriastill here?10:16
_Monkeyhere is some possible optimisation http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?s=f36ab7429f0dfd231b93f6a8ddaaeb31&showtopic=3756910:16
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Luriatimelyx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=63141&postcount=910:23
Luriai go with any 30000+ glyph ttf font10:24
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Luriams arial unicode seems to have the biggest glyph set according to wikipedia10:24
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timelyxyeah10:31
timelyxmini keyboards in windows?10:31
timelyxyou mean osk.exe?10:31
Luriayes10:33
Luriawhere changes in local input are reflected in the virtual mapping10:34
Luriabut you can toggle10:34
* timelyx boggles10:34
timelyxi'm used to strict manual toggle10:35
Luriacan you set up a secondary locale/language in maemo?10:35
timelyxwhenever the system keyboard changes on its own, i get annnoyed10:35
timelyxsure10:35
timelyxtap the stupid menu like button on the vkb10:35
Luriaah10:35
timelyxselect something like tools or settings10:35
timelyxyou can configure a second language10:35
Luriagood, german would be nice, but hebrew better10:36
Luriawhere is the underlying change made?10:36
timelyxgconf?10:36
Luriaie is there a conf file somewhere?10:36
* timelyx doesn't understand10:36
timelyxyou need a vkb layout10:36
Luriathats what i thought10:36
timelyxi'm not sure anyone got around to making hebrew10:36
Luriai understand10:36
Luriai do like that hebrew rss feeds display correctly10:37
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Luriahmmm two languages only.10:38
Luriai can deal10:38
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* timelyx sighs10:42
timelyxi worked so hard yesterday to add support for alternate roots10:42
timelyxtoday i figured out that what i'm doing doesn't make sense10:42
timelyxoh well10:47
timelyxshalom; lehitraot10:47
Lurialehit'10:49
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erstazihello pleemans, jyro, eichi11:08
timelessinteresting11:08
* timeless reads strange style guidelines for menus11:08
erstazitimelE61i, ?11:09
erstazitimeless, ?11:09
_Monkeyi guess timeless, is there a way for the user to choose between rdf and atom feeds?11:09
erstazistupid tab11:09
timelesserstazi: i'll respond to both11:09
timelessalthough i will find it at least slightly odd when you pick the wrong one :)11:09
erstaziah, ok11:09
erstazitimeless, the tab key selects the other first (: I just have to select tab twice11:09
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timelessanyway, youl almost have my attn, what's up? :)11:11
timeless_monkey forget me11:11
_Monkeytimeless, I didn't have anything matching me11:11
timeless_monkey forget timeless11:11
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot timeless11:11
erstazitimeless, just curious about "interesting"11:12
timeless_monkey timele61i is timeless using a nokia e61i (blueberry)11:12
_Monkey...but timele61i is well, timelyx's phone...11:12
timeless_monkey timele61i is also timeless using a nokia e61i (blueberry)11:12
_Monkeyokay, timeless.11:12
timeless_monkey timelyx11:12
_Monkeytimelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback11:12
timelesshey, that rhymes :)11:12
erstaziheh11:12
erstazitimeless, are you not GMT +2?11:13
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erstazihello Abulafia11:13
timeless_monkey: I am a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor11:13
_MonkeyOK, timeless.11:13
timelessi think DST means +311:13
timelessbut i'm not sure11:13
eichihi erstazi11:14
erstazitimeless, is microb on the n800?11:14
timelessyes11:14
erstaziah11:14
timelessit's our groups pretty name for the browser we beta'd11:14
erstaziis that gecko based?11:15
timelesswell, officially we didn't beta11:15
timelesswe just made a public announcement that people are free to test it11:15
timelessbeta has some other meaning11:15
erstaziawesome11:15
timeless...11:15
timeless_monkey microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007)11:16
_MonkeyOK, timeless.11:16
erstaziah11:16
N800what is microb?11:17
_Monkeymicrob is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007)11:17
N800it werks11:17
erstaziwhat is vim?11:19
_Monkeywell, vim is A hardcore text editor. This package supports syntax highlighting, xterm mouse, spell checking, online help, UTF-8, etc. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/vim/11:19
erstaziI just added that11:19
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maddlermorning all11:24
erstazihello maddler11:26
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erstazihow are you maddler?11:31
zuhtimeless: gtk2-cairo? Where does the cairo part come into play? I thought it specifically was non-cairo...11:33
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erstazihello __shawn11:34
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AD-N770good morning11:40
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erstazihello AD-N77011:55
erstazimorning Chili11:55
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konttorisweet. Nokia seems to have a new thumb dpad in the prism series phones.12:16
konttorihttp://www.nokiaprism.com/gallery/02.jpg12:16
konttorihttp://www.nokiaprism.com/gallery/04.jpg12:16
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konttoriLooks almost usable.12:16
maddlerOMG!12:16
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maddlerlooks unusuable to me...12:16
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konttoriit looks bigger than normal stick dpads, so it might work. Depends on the internal design of the pad.12:17
konttorialso depends on how slippery the surface is12:17
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erstazithats crazy12:18
erstaziisn't that patented?12:18
konttoriwhat is?12:18
erstazithe thumb dpad12:18
erstazimaybe I am hallucinating, but I swear I saw that done before in a phone12:19
maddlerdunno... I keep liking standard keypads...12:19
konttoriHmm.. no idea. I do know that some previous nokia phones have had thumb dpads as well12:19
erstaziyeah12:19
erstaziok well it probably was nokia that I saw it done with12:19
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konttoriI would love if nokia would just choose the traditional dpad model from original NES.12:20
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greygoomoin12:20
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konttoriOr well, any rocking model would be great if it has good enough surface.12:20
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erstazihowdy greygoo12:21
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X-Fadekonttori: The 7650 had something like that too. Worked great.12:23
konttoritrue.12:23
X-Fadehttp://europe.nokia.com/A414342812:23
konttoriit's not as good as a game pad controller, but still much better than the current generation nokia pads.12:24
X-FadeI had that phone and the rocker never failed me ;)12:24
whaqwhat kind of games do u guys wanna play w/ that pad?12:24
konttoriI fail ton understand why they don't use that kind of pad more often. Maybe it's more pricy or something.12:24
konttoriwhaq: not even games. It's for all pad actions. current one is just uncomfortable to use IMHO.12:25
JaffaMorning, all12:25
whaqahh12:25
greygoowhat pads are you talking about ?12:25
whaqmorning Jaffa12:26
konttoridpads12:26
konttoridirection button / pad.12:26
whaqsquare vs round 'pads' preference? which do u think work better?12:26
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maddlerJaffa: morning, dude12:27
konttoriwhat do you mean by round?12:27
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greygoomh, i guess i don;t play often enough to have a preference12:27
whaqthe control pad on phones.. they come in various shapes.. plus sign, square\rect, and sound round\oval12:28
whaqs\sound\some12:28
maddlerwhaq: square and rounds are both fine... just I have to "feel" the key-press...12:28
konttoriI would prefer a pad that I can use so that once I put my thumb on the pad, I can press any direction easily without moving my thumb to a different position by raising it first from the pad surface.12:28
konttorithe current dpad  on n800 is such that I have to take off my thumb to press down after I have first pressed up.12:28
konttorisame applies to left /right as well.12:29
konttoriSo, it doesn't function at all as a dpad. It's more like separate arrow keys12:29
konttoriand that's what I would call a bad dpad.12:29
greygoomh, i never play games on n800 with the buttons it has in the case, got some cheapshit bluetooth gamecontroller for the few times i need to play. However, got that 'cause i feared playing games using the internal buttons might wear them off somhow12:30
konttorinow, consider the prism dpan / stick. It's easy to press it in any direction once you have put your finger on it.12:30
nomisI kind of like the dpad on the 6300.12:31
whaqkonttori: yeah, the rocker type.12:31
konttoriAlso, if you consider prism pad, it's very small. What that means is that next maemo device might be smaller as well, as the dpad wouldn't need to take that much room from the left side of the device.12:31
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konttoriYou mean this: http://europe.nokia.com/A425424112:31
konttoriI haven't tried that.12:32
nomisyeah.12:32
nomisit is not optimal, but works OK.12:32
konttoriI hope it's better than on n800.12:33
konttoriI have nokia 6131 and it has a pretty bad pad as well.12:33
nomisit definitely has better defined clicks.12:33
greygoohttp://www.pearl.de/pearl.jsp?redir=yes&screenX=2560&screenY=1024 <- this works nice, although i guess you would consider the pad itself crap, its good enough to play bomberman12:34
konttorican you use it without moving your thumb at all?12:34
nomiskonttori: no.12:34
whaqthe pad on Palm Treos are good12:34
nomisgreygoo: that link is bogus.12:34
greygoonomis: jepp, sorry12:34
nomisgreygoo: and you have a dual monitor setup :)12:34
greygooyepp, not sorry ;)12:35
whaqyeah12:35
nomisthe pearl website is one of the most stupid sites I ever encountered.12:35
greygoohttp://www.pearl.de/product.jsp?pdid=HZ1400&catid=8862&vid=916&curr=DEM12:35
greygoothis one should work12:35
greygoonomis: full ack about the website, only conrad.de is worse imho12:36
greygooor was, haven't visited it for years12:36
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nomisgreygoo: conrad still is pretty stupid. Although not as braindead as pearl IMHO.12:36
greygooonce conrad was worse, don;t ask, i don;t wanna think of it ;)12:37
nomisheh, that gamepad is funny.12:37
whaqheh, conrad has a pretty good product selection. the only 'toy'shop i visited while in german.12:38
greygoonomis: it just not really fits the n800, so i use it not wrapped around but seperately12:38
nomisgreygoo: is it a regular bluetooth HID input device?12:39
greygoonomis: i think iots bt serial, worked with kbdd12:40
amr_mplayer crashes about 2 minutes into a movie, it played it fine a couple days ago12:40
greygoobut some time ago i sat it up and i don;t use it often12:40
amr_but i have to take out the battery to get back to normal12:40
greygoonomis: and the overall quality of the pad/buttons - i'd say for occasional games ok, but i'd not recommend this to some pro console gamer12:41
nomisgreygoo: yeah, not surprised by that.12:41
greygooi mean, its pearl ...12:41
erstaziI need a vacation12:43
greygoojupp12:45
koenMDK: I just build hildon-1 against a stock gtk+!12:50
koenI did need this:12:50
koen-            GTK_BUTTONBOX_CENTER);12:50
koen+            GTK_BUTTONBOX_DEFAULT);12:50
koengtk 2.10.14 doesn't seem to have GTK_BUTTONBOX_CENTER12:51
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Abulafiavim is the best12:51
Abulafiaoops, scrollbaaaack12:51
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Luriaanyone know of a non-smartphone that does egprs/class 10 edge. 3g a plus.13:03
* pupnik points to drpocketsnes13:03
* pupnik whistles, looks at watch13:03
pupnikgreygoo: that is a good price - thanks for the pearl link13:04
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gla55Luria: why non-smartphone?13:05
gla55luria: i'd imagine that any newish nokia s40 phone would fit that bill13:06
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Luriabattery life13:09
Luriai want a phone+modem for my n80013:10
pupnikgreygoo: do you have experience with the pad? (it looks like you do) what bluetooth profile do you use?13:10
erstaziLuria, gizmo is pretty nice (:13:11
Luriagizmo only works with a net connection13:11
Luriahence class 10 grps13:11
X-Fadeads: An informal discussion group. Unlike Special Interest Groups or Working groups, BoFs are informal and often formed in an ad-hoc manner. The acronym is used by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) to denote initial meetings of members interested in a particular issue.13:11
X-FadeEhmz sorry wrong window:)13:11
Luriain fact, 3+2 is probably better than 4+113:11
Luriaanyone here in nyc?13:12
erstaziLuria, this is true but anymore where is there not a wifi connection in an urban setting?13:12
Luriain nyc wpa/wep is pretty common13:12
pupnikthere are only a couple of open wlans where i live13:12
erstaziLuria, this is true as well13:13
Luriato wit, from my apt, i get 40aps, with 2 open13:13
Luriaand im on the 12th floor13:13
erstazipeople are wising up13:14
Luriahmmm.... s40 phones dont seem to be quadband13:14
erstaziLuria, another issue is, Data plans for cellphones are outrageous in the US, when I was in Europe, Data plans were very inexpensive13:15
gla55Luria: some of them are quad13:16
Luriafor low intesity use, the +$20 plan on att isnt bad13:16
Luriagla55, do you know which?13:16
gla55Luria: for example http://forum.nokia.com/devices/608513:16
Luriathanks13:16
gla55Luria: though, it sucks that on the forum.nokia.com page there isn't the gprs class mentioned.. that stuff is on the nokia.com produt details pages13:17
gla55otherwise forum is a lot better place to check for phone specs13:17
gla55less flash marketing crap13:17
Luriafound it on phonescoop.com13:17
Luria6086 has uma... neat13:18
Luriaoh phonescoop has a kick ass phone search13:20
gla55if you're in usa you might want to get a phone with usa 3g band support13:20
gla55some samsung or something.. just be sure you can tether it with bt13:21
Luriayeah, that would suck :-)13:24
gla55"unlimited usage!!!!               but pls, only browse our intranet with the built in shitbrowser"13:25
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bigkevmcdand if you use more than the unlimited amount, they reserve the right to penalise you13:27
Luriawell, its the same as the iphone package13:27
gla55gotta love unlimited 3g for 10e month..13:32
gla55really unlimited not that pussy ass 4gb or so "unlimited"13:32
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Phil770_hmm, a quickish question,13:41
Phil770_has anyone else ever had any trouble getting DHCP to work when connecting to an AP which has both MAC address filtering and WEP enabled ?13:41
Phil770_Actually the WEP part is probably irellevant13:41
Phil770_the 770's MAC has of course been entered into the AP's access list...but it's still giving me grief and I can't figure out why.13:42
scriptPhil770_: had the same setup for a while, worked13:47
Phil770_damn.13:47
scriptPhil770_: just dhcp broken?13:47
scriptsounds a bit odd13:47
Phil770_It always connects wit the message 'Local Link' with the ? sign over the connection, running /sbin/ifconfig reveals wlan0 has no IP, and wlan 0:1 has th 169.blah IP you get when DHCP hasn't given you an IP.13:48
Phil770_If I force a valid IP on the network, it doesn't work either13:48
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scriptPhil770_: so you should check the logs of your ap13:50
scriptPhil770_: and triple-check the mac13:50
Phil770_I've quadruple checked the MAC, both from the GUI on the phone and via ifconfig13:55
Phil770_it's defientely set right.13:55
rwhitbyPhil770_: I have that with an AP running recent dnsmasq versions.  I was able to get it to work by setting a dhcp-host setting in the AP with a non-infinite lease.13:56
qgilTesting this nice-looking pidgin on IRC...13:56
Phil770_the AP doesn't do logging for anything useful like that. It's annoying it works everywhere else. I suppose I was just wondering if there was a general problem that was known about. I'll try disabling MAC control and/or WEP for a few mins to see if it helsp13:56
Phil770_qgil: how are you finding it ?13:57
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Phil770_Generally I'd use Xchat for the 770 or just terminal/ssh/screen/irssi13:57
rwhitbyFor some reason the n800 didn't like the '0' which dnsmasq was returning for the lease period, and continued to try and get a lease.13:57
Phil770_the only trouble with using irssi is there is no ALT or Esc key so you have to keep typing /win foo13:57
Dasajevor Ctrl+N/Ctrl+P13:58
qgilPhil770_: i'm in my first 3 minutes, so...13:58
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erstaziPhil770_, you have xterm advanced right?14:00
Phil770_I just installed some package from some repository, I paid no attention to the version14:01
erstazixterm?14:01
_Monkeyxterm is reinstallable14:01
erstaziugh14:02
erstazixterm?14:02
_Monkeyit has been said that xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced14:02
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Phil770__Monkey: I'm using that one then :)14:09
_MonkeyPhil770_: huh?14:09
erstazihaha14:09
Phil770_oh, it's a bot14:09
Phil770_I had no idea14:09
erstaziyeah14:09
Chilianyone use fbreader here14:09
erstaziI have been feeding it answers through PM (:14:09
erstazifbreader?14:10
_Monkeysomebody said fbreader was a e-book reader originally written for Zaurus platform. Supported formats are: FB2, plain text, html, rtf, chm, plucker. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/fbreader/14:10
erstaziChili, a lot of people love that app14:10
Chiliits a ebook reader app14:10
erstaziI mean, you can like an app, but it seems that people are in love with it14:10
Chilino .lit14:10
erstazioh I know14:10
pupnikhmm i have14:11
erstaziI have used it a few times14:11
pupnikosso-xterm 0.13.mh2414:11
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erstaziChili2, wb14:11
erstaziI used it last night to read The Machine Stops14:11
pupnikdid you like it?14:12
erstaziover all, it does its duty and completes the mission14:12
erstaziso yes14:12
erstaziI don't usually love an application though (:14:12
pupniki mean the story14:13
pupniki read it in 1985 so it was still science fiction then :)14:13
erstaziit was written in 1909 so its amazing how he could be thinking on that parallel14:14
pupniki agree14:14
erstazivery amazing actually14:14
erstazihe has a different writing style though for his time, and even our time (:14:14
MDKkoen: patches? ;)14:14
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Mikhothey will never fix maemo.org14:36
Mikhoi'm convinced14:36
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MikhoIf the links to api specifications are broken for over two months, it's never going to get fixed14:37
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W_IMikho: which links14:41
Mikhohttp://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/2-x/14:41
W_Ihildon-libs seems to be the only one, with a quick look14:42
W_Iright?14:42
Mikhowell, maemo.org is full of that kind of stuff14:43
X-FadeMikho: We are working of fixing the documentation. It is just going slow these months because of the summer holidays.14:44
X-FadeMikho: As you know .fi is shut down during summer ;)14:45
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erstaziX-Fade, what wiki do yinz use?14:46
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MikhoIndeed one gets the idea the whole project is shut down. But since it's not... good.14:47
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Mikhoin the meanwhile, could someone point me to the correct location of hildon-libs specification?14:48
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erstaziX-Fade_, I am not sure you saw what I typed, do you mind if I repeat it?14:55
erstaziI notice now its the midgard CMS14:55
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X-Fade_erstazi: I think I missed it due to the reconnect of my adsl line..14:58
erstaziX-Fade, I figured, I am sorry (:14:59
X-Fade_No, I am... sucky provider, disconnecting me once every 24 hours..14:59
whaqhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/06/nes-emulator-released-for-the-iphone/15:00
MikhoX-Fade, do you know where I could find the hildon-libs api specification? The Maemo 2.2 tutorial is all the information I have of hildon atm15:00
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X-Fade_Mikho: I only know this one: http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/hildon-docs/hildon-libs/15:04
Mikhohm, have to keep in mind it's a different version15:05
Mikhobut thanks15:05
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X-Fade_Mikho: They do mention the deprecated symbols, so maybe that helps?15:05
Mikholet's see. I'll complain more if it doesn't :)15:06
X-Fade_Mikho: And perhaps this can be helpful too: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/hildonmigrationoverview/15:06
X-Fade_Although you need to read that one in the other direction ;)15:07
Mikholooks good15:07
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konttorihas everybody seen nes emu on iphone?15:30
konttorihttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/06/nes-emulator-released-for-the-iphone/15:30
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greygoowhats the iphone?15:32
_Monkeythe iphone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens15:32
bigkevmcdmmmm...15:33
konttorinot exacly usable yet, but... with touch screen it should be possible to detect thumb pressure changes on the screen as well. Imagine putting your thumb on the screen and pressing it up/down, left and right. That should change the pressure detection matrix in a way that even on n800 it should be possible to detect up/down/left/right movement. Even the middle directions. Maybe someone should make a virtual dpad implementation (just as15:33
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alehandrohello all15:45
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kriebzhello15:45
greygoohi kriebz alehandro15:45
alehandroi'am new developer by maemo and i have some questions ;)15:45
greygooi'm a clueless n800 user who knows linux from its desktop :)15:46
greygoos/its/his/15:46
infobotgreygoo meant: i'm a clueless n800 user who knows linux from his desktop :)15:46
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greygoonice, never got used to bots ...15:47
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alehandroafter build my package in maemo 3.0, i want install it on nokia770, but install manager give me some error. ok. i rebuild package on to maemo 2.2 and try again15:47
greygooi'd do that15:48
alehandrothen install manager give me message about incorrect architecture...15:48
greygooalso installing it on the commandline in xterm with dpkg gives way more usefull info than the packagemanager.15:48
alehandroarm, not armel15:48
pupnikit2006 uses armel15:49
pupnik2005 arm15:49
Phil770_ok this sucks a bit...   I am running the chat client to conect to a jabber server, and pidgin to connect to MSN. I now don't have enough memory left to open a web browser.15:49
greygooi don;'t have an 770 so no clue whats special about it, all i know that some 770 packages are arm packageas that my n800 refused as wrong arch15:49
Phil770_Why would two chat apps eat All my memory ?15:49
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pupnikcorrect greygoo those 'arm' apps are for it2005 and won't work on any modern tablet OS15:49
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kriebzPhil770_: I don't know what the memory footprint is for Pidgin15:50
kriebzprobably a lot15:50
greygookriebz: a lot15:50
kriebztell your lame friends not to use MSN15:50
Phil770_I mostly use IRC but it's nice to have connections to multiple systems open15:50
kriebzalso, you can enable swap in the memory control panel15:50
Phil770_aha, can you now !15:51
Phil770_that's just what I wanted to know.15:51
kriebzif you have free space on your MMC15:51
kriebzwhich is likely15:51
Phil770_does it screw up the flash memory though, if you're using limited write-cycle memory for virtual ram ?15:51
kriebzheh15:51
Phil770_I'm still running with the 64MB included card today, tomorrow I have 2x 1GB cards arriving15:51
kriebz"limited write cycle" is like 1,000,000 these days15:52
Phil770_well yeah...but how often will it rewrite stuff while its swapping15:52
kriebzyou got big (memory) cards that fit in a 770?15:52
greygoowith the current SD card prices i really do not care3 at all about liftime of the cards15:52
Phil770_1GB cards seem to be the limit, I've heard of 2GB cards but never seen any15:53
kriebzexcept the 770 takes stupid small cards15:53
greygooi got an 8gb card in my n800, works since latest update15:53
greygoo80 euro15:53
kriebz(greygoo)15:53
Phil770_small as in form factor or is there a limit on how much memory it can address ?15:53
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alehandroand what i can build correct package for nokia770, with 'armel' architecture. i install maemo-2.2 following on maemo.org site instruction...but result package name 'nokianx_0.5-1_arm.deb', not 'armel' architecture15:53
Phil770_I ordere 2x 1GB rs-mmc cards15:53
greygooi think the 770 can take up to 2gb, afaik above is all SDHC15:53
Phil770_what does the n800 take then ?15:54
greygoowith latest OS revision the n800 can take upt o 2x 8GB15:54
Phil770_what slots does it have ?15:54
greygoo2x SD/MMC slot15:55
kriebzooh15:55
greygooone internal, one external15:55
kriebzsketch web site with cheap cards15:55
kriebzhttp://shop.vendio.com/eavyexpress/item/936349399/?s=118639440215:55
pupnikmy 770 has 8 times the storage of my old $6000 NeXTStation15:56
kriebznevermind... $27 shipping15:56
greygoohowever, 1GB is about 10 - 20 euro here in my town, so if that breaks i really don;t care at all15:56
Phil770_true, it's nice and cheap these days15:56
Phil770_the only thing is, rs-mmc is hard to come buy, none of the electronic stores around here sell any15:57
Phil770_they just do SD, XD, CF and Memory Stick15:57
gla55mmc-mobile should fit the bill15:57
greygoommc = multimedia card?15:58
Phil770_yeah15:58
greygooi never got the difference between mmc and sd.15:58
gla55yeah 770 uses it.. the rs version15:58
Phil770_the 770 taking rs-mmc which is half sized but still fairly big by modern standards15:58
greygooand here (nuremberg, germany) most shops have the same amount of mmc and sd cards, similar prices, mmc maybe like 5% more15:58
gw280greygoo: SD has extra pins for it to transfer data faster, is a proprietary standard and has some sort of encryption15:58
greygooah "secure" i get it  ....15:59
greygoolol, I'm supposed to work here i guess ... however the browser freezes constantly over the page i'm supposed to work with. Great16:00
greygooah, ok - rs stands for reduced size, I think what i said is only true for mmc cards ...16:01
greygooa bit slow today16:01
gla55and dv-rs mmc has extra pins and mobile i think too.. but they work fine in rs-mmc using device16:02
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amrwhy is it mplayer gets so far into a movie (about 2 seconds) then freezes my entire device?16:04
amri have to take out the battery to restart it16:04
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pupnikyou should be able to exit by hitting the escape button (circle arrow) and waiting several seconds (sometimes 15 or more)16:05
amrill try that again16:05
pupniksometimes i get a problem after a couple of seconds, hit escape, wait, then restart the movie and it plays fine16:06
amrhow long should a file take to start playing btw16:06
pupniki found it depends on codec but it's generally quite a few seconds16:06
amrnot started playing yet16:06
amrits just gone fullscreen with a blank screen16:07
alehandrois there developers?16:07
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amrstill no joy16:08
amrpressing the escape button flashed the screen though16:09
pupnikdo you have the movie you are playing on a linux pc also?  try "file movie.avi" to get some basic data16:10
pupnikHamlet__Laurence_Olivier__German__N770.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 400 x 240, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (mono, 44100 Hz)16:10
alehandroHow can i build correct package for nokia770, with 'armel' architecture. I install maemo-2.2 following on maemo.org site instruction...but result package name 'nokianx_0.5-1_arm.deb', not 'armel' architecture. On maemo-3.0 all successful, but package on device not insallied, because incorrect libraries version16:10
amrpressing the escape key again gave a purple rectangle on the screen now in the top elft16:10
amrleft*16:10
pupnikthat's mplayer choking on your file while the XSP pixel doubling is still active16:10
amrnow a whiteish square in the top right16:10
alehandro?16:10
amraha, now im back to the home screen16:11
amrwell, part of it16:11
pupnikalehandro: you have probably an old it2005 environment installed in scratchbox16:11
pupnikalehandro: unfortunately there are still some old outdated howtos on-line16:11
amr RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 400 x 240, ~24 fps, video: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)16:11
pupnikhmm, mplayer should be happy with that :(16:12
amri used 'media convertor' to convert it16:12
amrit has played before in the past16:12
amrthe screen is completely white now, except for the top bar bit where it says GMPlauncher16:12
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greygooalehandro: i'd like to help but never did anything with pre 3.0 SDK, sorry. And I'm not very familiar to building  debian packages as well, i usually just use them, sorry16:13
amrlol, the message that it isnt responding popped up, back to home screen16:13
alehandro<pupnik> but what correct environment i should install for ... Where can i find correctly 770 environment FAQ? you now? google not help me ;))16:14
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amrhmm16:14
greygoopupnik: there are different SDKS for IT2005 and IT2006 i guess, maybe point him to the SDK for 2006 which if i understand correctly, does use arnel and not arm as arch?16:15
pupnikhttp://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html16:17
alehandroi learn it ;)16:18
alehandroit's some buggy ;)16:18
greygoomy browser is just frozen since 15 minutes16:18
greygoo5 more to go untill i can do the next click16:18
pupniki think maybe you have wrong rootstrap?16:18
greygoojust can't search anything else, all instances freeze :(16:18
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alehandropupnik, /scratchbox/packages/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz16:19
pupnikyes this is the one i use16:19
alehandro[sbox-SDK_ARMEL22: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture16:20
alehandrodpkg: warning, architecture `arm-none-linux-gnueabi' not in remapping table16:20
alehandroarm-none-linux-gnueabi16:20
alehandrodislike me )16:20
pupnikdpkg --print-architecture16:20
pupnikarmel16:20
alehandrosb-conf select SDK_ARMEL16:20
alehandro[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture16:21
alehandroarmel16:21
pupnikhow did you fix this?16:21
alehandroSDK_ARMEL22 -- maemo 2.2, SDK_ARMEL -- maemo 3.016:21
pupnikah ok16:21
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pupnikfor 2.2 i have Compiler:  cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm    Devkits:          debian cputransp  CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb216:22
greygooanyone here has n800 btw? I'm going insane on the usb host mode stuff and would just hear from somebody who got it working/16:22
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alehandroI myself would like to know how fix this ;)16:22
alehandropupnik, yes, all well16:23
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alehandroI am confused, 2 times reinstall all environment, however it not help me ;(16:25
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greygooalehandro: have you seen that page: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html16:30
greygooI just rwelaize setting up the n800 SDKL is way easier, jst run a bunch of scripts and be happy ....16:31
alehandrofor n800 all successful worked ;((16:32
alehandrogreygoo, yeah, i seen16:33
greygoomh, can;t help you much, just never touched the old stuff, never hasd 77016:33
alehandro;)16:34
alehandrogreygoo, customers forgive compatibility16:34
alehandro:-/16:35
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saiamgreygoo: what are you trying to do with the usb host mode? You need the modified usb-hub that provides power for the usb devices.16:35
greygoosaiam: also on n800, i read that this was only necessary on n77016:35
greygooi followed instructions from www.muru.com and everything worked fine, only usb host mode - or any other mode - does not work with the patched kernel. So i wondered if somebody else got it working and the documentation just missed some crucial step16:36
saiamhmm, I'm not sure about that. Actually I don't remember which device it was when i used that :)16:36
Phil770_how much do you have to modify a usb hub..I've seen the injector designs, but would it work just to use a simple powered USB hub, using only 1 port, and some gender changer plugs/adapters ?16:36
greygoomy basic question is: as the muru website says that this can be enabled via sysfs as well i wonder if that is true, as i only tried that way up to now16:37
saiamgreygoo: I doubt that it would work without external power supply. I think that at least the charger has to be connected.16:37
greygoothe patches and docs i used are from here: http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/16:37
greygoosaiam: yes, thts what i reead in some mail archives, but my problem is, dmesg does not even mention anything and i can't use the n800 in peripheral mode anymore as well16:38
greygoolike the usb port is dead - which he isn't as flashing the system still works as usual16:38
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greygooso I'm puzzled and just wanted to hear from somebody else with n800 his experiences16:39
alehandrostill all of you, will continue to study this problem16:39
greygoothis is what it says should work:16:39
greygoo"echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode"16:39
greygooand i just wanna know if thats just not working and i have to modify cables or hubs16:40
saiamPhil770_: I'm not an expert in this. But I think it doesn't work because the usb-hub doesn't give the power back to the N800. I didn't think about it too much, just connected the power wire to supply power to the Internet Tablet itself.16:40
saiamgreygoo: When I used it, atleast setting up some usb-keyboard and usb-ethernet connector was trivial and I wasn't required to do anything.16:41
saiam(after I had modified the usb-hub)16:42
saiam(and of course the ethernet-adapter needed some configuration)16:42
saiambut the keyboard worke straight away in xterm16:42
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greygooUSB VBUS POWER LIMITATIONS16:43
greygooFor most USB devices you need to connect the N800 to a powered USB hub. N80016:43
greygoocan only provide 100mA of power, so basically any load on the VBUS line will16:43
greygoomake the host mode to fail. Since N800 can provide nominal VBUS power, a16:43
greygooN770 modified hub is not needed.16:43
greygoo16:43
greygoothats what i got from the muru page containing the patches. If thats wrong then I know my problem, however I read this more often in mailarchives as well16:44
greygoon800 has different usb chip16:44
saiamok, so you have a powered usb-hub then?16:44
greygooyes16:44
greygoowhat mostly makes me suspicios that also non usb host mode does not work at all anymore16:45
saiamok, I'm sorry but I think I can't help you. I have experience of using usb-host-mode only with the 77016:45
greygooI can plug the n800 now in my computer and it does not detect any usb event at all (the compputer i mean)16:45
saiamgreygoo: hmm, that sound weird16:45
greygooyes, thats why i'm interested in experiences of someone else with the matter ;)16:46
greygoobut not in a hurry :)16:46
saiamyep :)16:46
saiam--> home16:46
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alehandroчерт, не тупи16:51
alehandrosry, not here)16:51
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timelesshello world16:55
timelessanyone here know how to report bugs about garage.maemo.org/plugins/ ? :)16:55
timelessbtw, timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/ now has links that /should/ get you to the svn viewer16:55
greygoomh, i have a pidgin/gaim bug to report. Basically the groupwise plugin does not work at all ...16:59
timelessi think the dev went to the beach :)17:00
greygoolol17:00
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greygooI want to go to the beach as well17:11
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greygoooutsch17:17
greygooi download somke mp3's on the n800 and wondered why the f. its so slow, only 10kb/s. I thought the WLAN here should be faster. Now after it dowloaded for about 3,5 hours i realize i still was online via mobile phone .... that explains the speed ...17:18
pupnik2heh17:19
greygoothank god for flatrates17:19
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alehandrogreygoo, what is this? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d2.php17:24
bluehashanyone got to interface the IrDA port?17:26
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Phil770_there's an IrDA port ?17:33
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disqis ITT down?17:48
bluehashyes17:48
bluehashTheres an IRDA port17:48
bluehashat least the processor specs say  it17:48
bluehashseems like its not interfaced17:48
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bluehashlooke here17:48
bluehashhttp://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=612317:48
bluehashThere was a discussion about this a few days back though17:49
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em-chi guys18:06
em-cHave anyone tried to connect with the nokia n800 to an AP with EAP-TTLS/PAP ???18:06
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sbaturzioAloha!19:03
_MonkeyGuten Tag, sbaturzio!19:03
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konttoriHey, is it possible in the latest firmware to connect wii mote to n800?19:16
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megabyte405konttori: don't see why it wouldn't work just like on a regular linux pc - try it!19:27
konttoriWell, I don't have a wiimote.19:27
megabyte405oh.19:27
megabyte405well, its utility is limited19:27
megabyte405no sensor bar yet (I think), so no pointing, just kind of tilting.19:28
konttoriAnd in the previous version, the bt stack wasn't able to connect ti it as wiimote does not support setting the connection code.19:28
megabyte405more of a novelty than anything at this point19:28
megabyte405hmm19:28
konttoriAnyway, it might be interesting to work as a dpad kind of controller for those wishing to play games (like emulator games) on the device.19:28
bluehashkonttori: look here19:31
bluehashhttp://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wii_Linux_bounty19:31
konttoriI agree it's more a sort of a novelty, but for those that would happen to have one, it might be nice to be able to use it.19:31
bluehashwerent you the one who developed the iphone keypad interface for the N80019:31
konttorinope. it was someone at indt.19:32
konttorithose brazilian guys19:32
konttoriI've just been doing ukmp and uktube recently19:33
bluehashi remember your name from some of the youtube videos19:33
konttoriprobably from uktube / ukmp videos19:33
bluehashyup those19:33
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konttoriabout 13 000 views of those videos in total. quite a lot I think. planet maemo is working quite well on reaching interested people.19:33
bluehashdo you know of any hardware hackers for the n800 .Im interested nin getting the irda port working19:34
konttoriNice idea about the linux wii bounty.19:34
bluehashthe OMAP processor has one19:34
konttorino I don't. I can imagine that quite a few people would like to have it.19:34
bluehashagree19:34
konttoribut I think that it might be too much work.19:34
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konttorion 770 it should be pretty easy by using the serial port.19:35
bluehashwell.. it would include a bit of soldering19:35
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bluehashyou mean thru the USB19:35
bluehashas a host?19:35
konttorino, I mean through the serial interface in it19:36
bluehashk..19:37
konttoriIf I've understood correctly, it should be relatively simple to connect a irda sender to the serial port.19:37
konttoribut, now that you mentioned it, usb should be pretty easy as well. Just find a small enough usb irda.19:38
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bluehashhmm19:39
konttoriwasn't there already a usb host kernel for n800 as well?19:39
bluehashIm not aware of any linux distro for irda19:39
bluehashwell they found a hack19:39
konttorihttps://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/19:40
bluehashthey got one of the USB to serial dongles to work19:40
konttorianyway, after that, you might be able to connect irda like this: http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cable_details.cfm?sku=U1-FIR-IRDA&cats=139&catid=13919:41
bluehashIve been there19:41
bluehashThanks..but then comes the driver problem19:42
konttoritrue19:42
bluehashanyway.. I'm goind through that stuff.I got to go for class19:42
bluehash*going19:43
bluehashLater19:43
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gw280http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/08/07/webkit-and-the-n80020:19
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bldewolf_orakle: Looks like wpa_supplicant doesn't want to work :(20:47
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dragornbldewolf: No, it won't, wpa is handled in the binary part of the kernel module21:27
dragornbldewolf: if you look at the OSS component you can see the passthroughs21:27
N800ok, some of the users on ITT are real assh@#$&,  Still getting complaints about my referral link.   http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=66283&posted=1#post6628321:30
N800nothing  better going on at ITT then to complain about my freaking link.21:31
`0660i'd be mad at you too21:31
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unique311the admin gave me permission to post on that section..21:32
unique311be mad at the admins.21:32
`0660i always feel fooled when clicking a referral link without knowing it21:33
* melmoth feels the link is not appropriate on itt as it has nothing to do with the tablet in the first place21:34
unique311All i'm saying is if you feel that much anger towards it..you should freaking stay out of the deals and promo, general discussion area.21:34
melmothi meant _is_ appropriate :)21:34
unique311thanks melmoth21:34
melmothoups, no..well, you get what i meant :)21:34
melmothyou ll know for next time.21:35
unique311now on maemo.org i would be stupid for doing so21:35
unique311i could care less for the ones who don't think its appropriate.  I got permission to post from an admin.21:36
unique311they should beef with the admins.21:37
unique311if after doing so, you should just remove the id at the end and be happy.21:37
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unique3114 backspaces do the trick.21:38
unique311melmoth, on firefox, and I doubt you are not using firefox by now.  if you hover over a word that is a hyperlink, it shows the link at the bottom of the browser. it goes the same for IE and probably most browsers.21:41
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unique311feeling fooled about clicking on those referral links might just be your fault.21:42
melmothwhat i think is not appropriate is not the referal thingy, more of the actual link itself.. network space , not exactly a tablet related issue.21:43
melmothbut dont panic, this is not that a big deal.21:43
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unique311tis why i place it on OFF Topic.21:44
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unique311i got a rating of 1 square..yeah21:44
melmothoh, if it was on a off topic specific forum, then it was on topic and there is no harm :)21:47
unique311melmoth that comment on feeling fool the link and feeling fooled was meant for 066021:47
unique311sorry about attaching your nick to it21:47
unique311off topic21:47
unique311i don't think people are noticing its in the off topic section...21:47
pupnik10GB is sweet21:48
unique311but you are right i was mischievous in attaching the n800.770 name to the title21:48
unique311use my referral link pupnik..21:48
unique311lol21:48
`0660it's just feels like total spam :)21:48
pupniki dunno free storage is useful21:49
unique3110660 not sure you seeing the rest of the off topic post21:49
unique311http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1921:49
unique311check out the rest of the offtopic post.21:49
unique311my post is not looking that bad.21:49
unique311but i'm sorry for going off topic in the irc channel..21:50
unique311whats new in maemo?21:50
pupnikthanks for the post21:50
unique311NP pupnik21:50
unique311I surf, I find, I share21:50
`0660didn't find anything looking like spam though :)21:50
unique311with a minor referral link.21:50
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unique311so my referral id constitute my post as being spam?21:51
pupniki don't think so21:52
`0660combined with fancy font and "<-- click me", yes :)21:52
unique311lol21:52
pupnikif it were for some random crap that wasn't useful then i'd say yes21:52
unique311going to edit it. and put a disclaimer.21:52
`0660in the other hand, it has the word "free" only twice :)21:52
* pupnik is going to continue being lame and not work on anything21:53
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unique311same here..21:54
unique311going to mass email my referral link to all on my address book21:55
pupnikplaying haha21:55
pupnikplaying some psx rpgs atm21:55
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unique311k, its edit...i hope I don't get anymore complains....thanks for the  opinions on the post channel.22:02
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jurop88hi all22:13
jurop88anyone has any news about gpe-calendar and todo?22:13
unique311hello22:13
jurop88i.e. is the latest version available for download in maemo the same as per gpe 2.8?22:13
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JesseT77Hello22:24
_Monkeyhello, JesseT7722:24
JesseT77How do you do?22:24
JesseT77I wish to enable the USB host mode on my nokia 770. Docs I find online recommend using the CLI "Flasher" utility to accomplish this. It appears as though Flasher is only available for linux + mac. Is it not possible (short of vmware) to run Flasher on a pc?22:26
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JesseT77Hello iso22:26
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orakleah he's gone22:31
orakleyou don't have to run flasher.. there's a command you can enter if you got root..22:31
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William2300Hi, can i use packages from packages.debian.org on my Nokia 77022:40
William2300Some of them works with ARM architecture22:40
shackanI fear they use a different libc22:42
William2300ok :(22:43
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koennot only a different libc, a completely different ABI22:48
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Nermal:)22:54
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erstazihello Nermal23:00
Nermalhello :)23:00
NermalI've probably rather foolishly just bought a nokia 770 for 75 quid as I can't afford an n800 but wanted to see if I'd actually use such a device23:01
NermalI last use linux on an ipaq 3600 so it's got 8 times the storage and 4 times the ram :D23:01
erstaziNermal, the ipaq 3600 has more storage and ram?23:02
Nermalit had 16 mb of each23:02
guardiangood evening maemo23:02
Nermalso even the n770 is going to seem like an upgrade ;)23:02
erstaziNermal, personally, I own a 770 and I am quite satisfied with it23:02
erstaziNermal, there are many users who frequent this channel who are 770 users23:02
Nermalerstazi: I can basically justify 75 quid on what might turn out to be a cool toy - just can't do the same for the n800 at 250 or so23:03
erstaziNermal, honestly, it is worth the money and my opinion is its worth your efforts of getting it23:03
Nermalyah - sadly it's not arrived yet23:03
erstaziNermal, yes, the n800 is a newer toy but I think the 770 does a job well23:03
erstaziNermal, are you a linux user?23:03
Nermalare you using the hacker IT 2007 os on yours ?23:03
erstazino23:03
Nermalyah :) for a long time :)23:03
erstazisome have dual boots of OS2007HE and OS200623:04
Nermalworked for suse back in the day, then novell briefly23:04
erstazion a 77023:04
Nermalso I should be ok tinkering with it23:04
Nermalah ok :)23:04
erstaziNermal, I can gather up some packages that are must needed for a linux user23:04
Nermal:)23:04
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erstaziactually, I will throw a page up on my site23:04
Nermaloooh - that would be helpful - thanks :)23:05
erstaziI already have an sources.list there thats well done (except I haven't got to doing the gpg keys yet on some of them)23:05
erstaziNermal, I even use Gizmo on my nokia770 to make phone calls23:07
Nermalnice :)23:07
erstaziover all, the whole maemo community is very nice and friendly23:07
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erstaziNermal, I have been messing with scratchbox also, which is very exciting, I would like to see a speech to text app for the nokia770 so finding a lightweight app to hildonize sounds like a mission23:08
Nermalerstazi: certainly seems that way23:08
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NermalI was actually looking to see if any madman has upgraded the ram in the 770 by soldering a bigger chip into it23:09
NermalI'm sure people used to do that to other devices23:09
Nermalmaybe they've got too small now23:09
erstaziNermal, ah yes, I am sure there is *someone* who has, madman is a close word to what I think of when someone mentions doing that23:10
erstaziheh (:23:10
guardiananyone using the sdk on ubuntu gutsy ?23:12
guardianor debian etch  ?23:12
guardiani have xephyr crashing :(23:12
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JesseT77wb orakle :)23:13
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erstaziguardian, I am going to have gutsy on a box and I heard about sdk on gutsy causing problems23:13
erstaziwhere, I don't remember23:14
JesseT77I wish to enable the USB host mode on my nokia 770. Docs I find online recommend using the CLI "Flasher" utility to accomplish this. It appears as though Flasher is only available for linux + mac. Is it not possible (short of vmware) to run Flasher on a Windows pc?23:14
MoRpHeUzNermal: where are you getting this $75 n770 ?23:14
JesseT77pound.. 75 pound23:14
erstaziJesseT77, that is a possibility but23:14
Nermal75 pound - so 150$23:14
Nermalstill cheap in the uk23:14
erstaziJesseT77, [15:31] <orakle> you don't have to run flasher.. there's a command you can enter if you got root..23:15
Nermalit's gone up a bit now - the site is now listing it at 89 UKP23:15
JesseT77They sell new for 200 quid so it's a deal23:15
Nermalyah :D23:15
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JesseT77erstazi, thank you, but how do you have root on a windows box? And at least as importantly: what command? ;)23:15
Nermalmines "awaiting stock" atm - I hope they get some :|23:15
erstaziJesseT77, I think orakle meant on the nokia23:16
erstaziNermal, did you try buy.com?23:16
JesseT77ooer, that sounds very nice. :)23:16
erstaziI think they ship internationally23:16
Nermalerstazi: noo.. order placed now :|23:16
erstaziJesseT77, did you enable red-pill or install becomeroot?23:16
JesseT77erstazi: that being the case, do you have an idea what command he might be talking about, or else where I might find such data?23:17
JesseT77I have xterm installed. I'll wager I can get a root utility as well. so it's just a question of the step after that. ;)23:17
erstaziNermal, with buy.com they have a deal for 63,79 guid with free shipping23:18
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erstaziJesseT77, which xterm?23:18
erstazixterm?23:18
_Monkeyxterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced23:18
* JesseT77 chex23:18
erstaziJesseT77, that xterm?23:18
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* JesseT77 is chexing, hold please ;)23:18
erstaziJesseT77, I am patient23:19
JesseT77Yup, I was hammered when I installed this so I forget which package. I think it's the no-colors one though. I'm guessing there is not a CLI command that will tell me which Xterm? ;)23:21
erstaziJesseT77, are you in xterm right now?23:21
JesseT77yes :)23:21
erstazido you have PgDn and Ctrl+p and Ctrl+n on the right?23:22
erstazias a list23:22
JesseT77yes23:22
erstaziij23:22
erstazis/ij/ok23:22
erstazithats osso-xterm-advanced23:22
erstaziits also white foreground with a black foreground by default23:22
JesseT770-423:23
JesseT7710-423:23
JesseT77brb phone23:23
erstazik23:23
Nermalerstazi: doh!23:23
erstaziNermal, its ok, I was watching ebay and I couldn't believe what people were paying23:23
erstazinearly 30 guid more than I was, so don't feel bad23:24
Nermalerstazi: if I bought it from buy,com I may get charged customs tax on it23:24
NermalI think23:24
Nermalanyhoo .. 75 quid isn't bad :)23:25
erstaziNermal, true23:25
Nermal:D23:25
JesseT77back :)23:25
milhouseanyone willing to help me diagnose a(nother) bug with the rss feed reader?23:26
erstaziNermal, I forgot about customs tax /: I was luckly to avoid that when traveling,... I didn't buy anything haha23:26
milhousebug 177023:26
_MonkeyBug 1770 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177023:26
erstazimilhouse, looking23:26
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milhousei'd like someone to install my feedlist.opml file (back up your own of course!) and see if your rss app then crashes when performing a full refresh23:26
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JesseT77so I've got the osso-xterm-advanced. We'll take it as read that I will get yonder root privs from some magical place. Once that is done, what command do I want to look up for USB host mode?23:27
Dea1hi all23:27
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erstazimilhouse, I would do it but I have only OS200623:27
JesseT77Hola dea23:27
milhouseah, thanks anyway erstazi :)23:27
Dea1sorry to shout out loud - but is there anyone who could give me a pointer to installing Scratchbox onto Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn) - its driving me f****g crazy23:28
erstaziDea1, I just did that last night23:28
erstazihaha23:28
Dea1erstazi - did you use the new install script?23:29
erstaziJesseT77, I am googling something for you23:29
erstaziDea1, I went by the docs on scratchbox's site23:29
erstazilet me see what it was23:29
erstazidid you use the deb's from the scratchbox-debian repos?23:30
erstazifor stable main?23:30
Dea1Ive tried installing manually - had problems23:30
Dea1so i found this - http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt23:30
Dea1problem is the script wont run23:31
erstaziah23:31
Dea1and im not a Linux expert :( (last time I played with Linux was Redhat 6)23:31
erstaziDea1, do you know how to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list?23:31
erstazion ubuntu that is23:31
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Dea1yep - tried that erstazi - what sources did you use?23:31
erstaziDea1, let me grab them (:23:32
florianre23:32
erstaziadd this to your /etc/apt/sources.list at the bottom: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main23:32
Dea1sorry everyone for jumping on your chat....23:32
erstaziDea1, thats ok, you are in the right spot23:33
erstaziwb florian23:33
erstazihello kosola_23:33
Dea1aha - the ref I was looking at seemed to refer apophis23:33
erstaziDea1, it is23:33
erstaziDea1, this is the stable version of apophis23:33
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erstazithen go to terminal: sudo apt-get update23:34
Dea1ok - one of the references was to use ./ at the end (sorry not used to DEbian pkgs and terminology) but I see that has been superceded too23:34
erstaziDea1, that has been depreciated with the new system23:35
erstazithey haven't updated all their pages23:35
erstazion the main page it clarifies that in the news/updates23:35
erstaziI didn't know until someone else pointed it out23:35
Dea1I think thats the problem - too many versions (and im trying to learn maemo/linux and scratchbox all at the same time) - Fantastic piece of kit though the N770!! cant wait to start writing for it23:35
erstaziyeah23:37
erstaziDea1, after you do sudo apt-get update tell me23:37
erstazibecause you can run: sudo apt-get install scratchbox-core scratchbox-libs scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 scratchbox-devkit-debian scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm23:37
erstazithese are what worked for me23:37
Dea1ok - trying now23:38
erstaziDea1, this will take a while23:38
erstaziDea1, large packages... now, what I found is, at first all you need is the first two packages, scratchbox-core and scratchbox-libs23:38
erstazithen you can do sb-adduser username *a lot* easier23:40
erstaziif this happens to you, then you can just remove the extra packages and reinstall (they won't download again, because they are achieved)23:40
Dea1ok - its away and downloading core and libs now23:41
Dea1what toolchain (think thats the correct definition) to cross compile to the N770?23:42
Dea1or do I not need one?23:42
erstaziI listed the one I use23:42
erstaziscratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm23:42
erstaziyou don't need that right away23:42
Dea1okay - maybe thats where I was getting confused - what is the arm-gcc3 toolchain for?23:42
erstaziyou want to get the user for sbox and the sbox group set up23:43
erstaziDea1, gcc23:43
erstaziGNU Compiler Collection23:43
erstazior the GNU C compiler basically23:44
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erstazifrom what I read, you can have as many toolchains and devkits as you want23:44
Dea1so which compipler does it use as standard then to write code (im looking to write in c)23:44
erstaziDea1, then you can add that compiler if you want23:44
erstaziDea1, http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html#AEN13223:45
erstaziyou have to make sure that the user that you add (my default user is "main" so I did sb-adduser main23:45
erstaziand made sure that in groups that sbox was listed23:46
erstaziand double checked that main was added to the sbox group23:46
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Dea1okay - here is where ot gets screwy....just checked and scratchbox core and libs (1.0.8) are installed23:46
erstaziok23:47
erstazinow go to terminal on ubuntu23:47
Dea1I try running sb adduser and it comes up with the following message....23:47
erstazias normal user23:47
erstazinot root23:47
Dea1http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt23:47
Dea1ignore above23:47
erstaziok23:47
erstaziin terminal, you ctrl+shift+c23:48
Dea1dean@ubuntu:/usr$ sb-adduser23:48
Dea1/usr/sbin/sb-adduser: line 14: /usr/sbin/compatibility.sh: No such file or directory23:48
Dea1/usr/sbin/sb-adduser: line 15: /usr/etc/question_func.sh: No such file or directory23:48
Dea1/usr/run_me_first.sh has not been run!23:48
erstaziah23:48
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erstazifor giggles try /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh23:48
Dea1file doesnt exist.23:49
erstaziah dude23:49
erstaziI forgot23:49
erstazisudo -s; sb-adduser <your-username>23:49
erstaziwithout the < and >23:49
amrdo i have to run fceultra from the command line?23:49
Dea1nope - same error message23:49
Dea1is there anything else I need installed as well as core and libs to get started?23:50
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erstaziDea1, hold a sec23:51
erstazi/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser yourusername23:52
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erstazithen follow the directions23:52
Dea1okay - that worked23:53
Dea1:)23:53
erstaziDea1, now23:53
Dea1had to sudo it23:53
erstaziyeah23:53
erstaziDea1, now, exit from su23:53
erstaziand now you are normal user... type: groups23:53
erstaziif sbox is set there then you are golden23:53
Dea1its tere23:54
Dea1there..23:54
_Monkeyi guess there is some app that is drawing a lot of power23:54
Dea1now I run sbox_configure?23:54
Dea1ignore that last comment - should read the notes!!23:57
erstaziDea1, go to system > administration > user and groups23:57
erstazithen select the groups tab on the right of that window, select sbox and make sure the user you added is part of that group23:57
erstazithen if thats true, then /scratchbox/login23:57
Dea1yep - my user name is in the xbox group23:58
Dea1sbox23:58
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erstaziDea1, haha, I typed that accidentally a few times23:58
Dea1:)23:58
Dea1okay - its runs but says I have to configure a target with sbmenu23:58
erstazicorrect23:59
erstazinow you need the other packages I suggested23:59
erstaziand from this point on, I cannot really assist you much23:59
erstazithe documentation will be your friend23:59
Dea1aha...okay will install other stuff now23:59

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