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| blkhawk | i need Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_v1.1_arm.tgz | 00:07 |
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| blkhawk | coulkd somebody poke whoever maintains the repository and tell him or her to set the frigging file readable - thanks | 00:08 |
| blkhawk | or somebody with shell acces might be so nice and get it tfor me? | 00:09 |
| blkhawk | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/1.1/arm/Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_v1.1_arm.tgz | 00:10 |
| blkhawk | the webserver creates an index but refuses to let me get the file | 00:10 |
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| procto | Is there a way to change filetype handlers in the file amanger? | 00:32 |
| procto | manager* | 00:32 |
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| procto | pupnik: any ideas? | 00:34 |
| alterego | Grrr .. My garage project got denied because of the ruby185 project. | 00:35 |
| alterego | Flippin' hassle. | 00:35 |
| disq | oh | 00:35 |
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| disq | i posted a mail about sdl1.2's headsetbutton problem to maemo-dev | 00:36 |
| alterego | I think I'll just forget about using garage for the time being. I would have thought it was obvious that the ruby185 project is a load of cr*p | 00:36 |
| disq | it's a launcher? no bindings? but yours are ruby bindings? | 00:38 |
| alterego | He just compiled ruby in the SDK. | 00:38 |
| alterego | I'm distributing ruby binaries and maemo bindings. | 00:38 |
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| alterego | Even on the info page he said he wouldn't do anything more unless some asked him to. | 00:39 |
| alterego | s/some/someone/ | 00:39 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Even on the info page he said he wouldn't do anything more unless someone asked him to. | 00:39 |
| alterego | Is there no escape from infobot?! | 00:40 |
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| alterego | :) | 00:40 |
| alterego | Maybe I'm being unreasonable here. I guess I should talk to this guy and see if he wants to join forces. | 00:43 |
| disq | you could also try to convince the garage admins :P | 00:43 |
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| alterego | Well, I'm happy hosting it myself. It's already top on google for "ruby maemo", I was kind of shocked concidering I put the alpha version up only yesterday. ^_^ | 00:45 |
| disq | yeah it is, interesting :) | 00:45 |
| alterego | Which reminds me. Need to update the API docs :) | 00:45 |
| alterego | And done :D | 00:47 |
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| blkhawk | i need arch/arm/configs/n770_defconfig - anybody got that file for me ? | 00:48 |
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| blkhawk | unfortunally i have noaccess to the kernel sources with that file | 00:50 |
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| blkhawk | nm - i extracted it from the 2.0 rootstrap | 01:02 |
| blkhawk | BTW - the defconfig fike pasted into the wiki is misformated as to be almost totally useless | 01:03 |
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| blkhawk | heh | 01:20 |
| blkhawk | i build kernel-source-2.6.16 as kernel-source-2.6.12.3 | 01:20 |
| blkhawk | and it worked | 01:21 |
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| blkhawk | ok for my next trick i will run a 2006 kernel with a 2006initfs but with a 2005se bootloader setup | 01:35 |
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| alterego | I think yer just asking for trouble. | 01:39 |
| blkhawk | well | 01:41 |
| blkhawk | :I | 01:41 |
| blkhawk | just exploring my options | 01:41 |
| blkhawk | since i am limited to2005 atm | 01:41 |
| blkhawk | maybe i shold first get a serial console working | 01:42 |
| alterego | Grrr .. Why is this segfaulting :( | 01:43 |
| alterego | For some reason osso doesn't like being initialized inside a ruby extension. | 01:44 |
| alterego | I can't see for the life of me why. | 01:44 |
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| blkhawk | is there a soure for serial plugs that fit the n770? | 01:50 |
| pupnik | good question | 01:51 |
| blkhawk | seeing the kernel messages would be extremely useful | 01:52 |
| blkhawk | my 2.6.16 kernel didn't really work out :P | 01:52 |
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| blkhawk | sigh - no 2gb fast mmc cards for me untill i can get my hands on the 1.1 RootStrap | 01:53 |
| blkhawk | or rather the kernel contained in the rootstrap | 01:54 |
| blkhawk | anyway | 01:55 |
| blkhawk | thanks for listening to my rants and requests for information ;) | 01:55 |
| blkhawk | need to sleep | 01:55 |
| blkhawk | n8 | 01:55 |
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| alterego | Well .. That's interesting .. | 02:10 |
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| alterego | Hahaha | 02:12 |
| alterego | I'm happy now :D | 02:12 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3C0K0FBHmY squidgesnes running with sound and full speed on gp2x (Arm920 @ 200mhz) | 02:22 |
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| pupnik_ | ahh not full speed on all of them - DKC looked to be about 8 fps | 02:24 |
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| pupnik_ | PLaystation emulation might work on the N800 | 02:34 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzRE0fLm1hk | 02:34 |
| Art- | I fear this is probably an FAQ by now, but does anyone have a deb of 'bloglines 770'? | 02:35 |
| gla55_ | i seriously doubt that.. | 02:35 |
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| pupnik_ | gla55_: it's running on the 200mhz ARM920 gp2x | 02:35 |
| pupnik_ | probably overclocked @ 250 or so | 02:36 |
| gla55_ | just the fmv just seems to skip a lot alone | 02:36 |
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| pupnik_ | the fmv is very skippy - they have poor speed to the sd card | 02:37 |
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| gla55_ | is there gameplay on that youtube clip | 02:37 |
| pupnik_ | but 5-7 fps is pretty impressive | 02:37 |
| pupnik_ | yeah skip to about 5 min | 02:37 |
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| gla55_ | resident evil is a bad game to demo though imho, still bg's | 02:38 |
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| pupnik_ | well the ps1 had pretty poor capabilities. Final Fantasy and other games used static BGs for good reasons | 02:39 |
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| gla55_ | impressive anyhow | 02:39 |
| pupnik_ | i'm mainly jealous about how well they got snes, gba and genesis emulated | 02:39 |
| gla55_ | yeah it's capabilities suck.. but still.. on pc side.. xbox1 emulates it just okayish | 02:40 |
| gla55_ | used it to play xenogears last winter.. | 02:42 |
| gla55_ | great game.. that uses 3d for most stuff | 02:42 |
| pupnik_ | rpg/platform/action? | 02:43 |
| gla55_ | rpg | 02:43 |
| gla55_ | square's | 02:43 |
| pupnik_ | oh i haven't seen it | 02:43 |
| gla55_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenogears | 02:43 |
| gla55_ | mechas and shit | 02:43 |
| gla55_ | pretty epic stuff | 02:43 |
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| pupnik_ | The music in Xenogears was composed by Yasunori Mitsuda who was made famous by his work on the Super Famicom title, Chrono Trigger. | 02:45 |
| pupnik_ | Xenogears maintains a 90% ratio on Game Rankings, and within the top 15 best reviewed games on the Playstation. | 02:46 |
| pupnik_ | nice.. | 02:46 |
| pupnik_ | I was one of the early purchasrs of Bleem (ps1 emu) | 02:46 |
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| pupnik_ | i'm still angry i didn't get that Psion Netbook Pro for 202 euro | 02:48 |
| gla55_ | yeah i remember bleem | 02:53 |
| gla55_ | and bleemcast even too.. | 02:55 |
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| frob | has anyone been able to install (or build) microb-browser on scratchbox ? | 02:56 |
| frob | I can't manage to do either one | 02:57 |
| pupnik_ | i'd like to get it going on it2007he | 02:57 |
| frob | compiling from svn works fine (except it takes hours) but tablet-browser-ui can't be built because a dependency (libgtkadi-dev) is missing, and it's nowhere to be found | 02:58 |
| vertoo | Has anyone managed to stream music online to be accessed via a browser on the go? | 02:58 |
| frob | intalling from bora-extras equally fails because or missing packages | 02:58 |
| pupnik_ | apt-cache search libgtkadi-dev | 02:58 |
| pupnik_ | libgtkadi-dev - GTK ADI Library. development | 02:59 |
| frob | pupnik_: I don't have it! | 02:59 |
| frob | frob: I'm on bora 3.2 | 02:59 |
| frob | and I have the extras repo enabled | 02:59 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know how to see which repo has it | 03:00 |
| frob | oh wait | 03:00 |
| frob | you're on the ARMEL target ? | 03:00 |
| pupnik_ | i can share my sources.list | 03:00 |
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| derf | apt-cache policy <package> | 03:01 |
| frob | pupnik: it seems I have it on ARMEL, but not on X86, tough sources.list is the same | 03:01 |
| pupnik | thanks derf, i'd forgotten that | 03:01 |
| frob | and I just spent a night building microb-engine for X86, I'm not likely to repeat | 03:01 |
| derf | I used Debian for the better part of 5 years before anyone told me that. | 03:02 |
| pupnik | i never build on x86 | 03:02 |
| frob | I can't explain why the package is available only on one arch | 03:02 |
| frob | pupnik: why ? | 03:02 |
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| pupnik | i build on armel because that's why i build stuff | 03:02 |
| * frob smacks himself | 03:02 | |
| pupnik | armel target | 03:02 |
| pupnik | heh | 03:03 |
| frob | I was sure I could not run armel binaries on scratchbox | 03:03 |
| frob | so, I'll have to rebuild microb-engine from scratch | 03:03 |
| * frob sobs and sighs | 03:03 | |
| frob | pupnik: could you check if microb-browser is installable there ? (here it's not) | 03:04 |
| pupnik | i only have gregale on scratchbox | 03:07 |
| frob | ok, sorry | 03:07 |
| frob | (any volunteers on bora around? :) | 03:07 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search microb-browser | 03:08 |
| pupnik | microb-browser - Meta-package for MicroB Browser aplication | 03:08 |
| pupnik | seems to be in bora repos | 03:08 |
| nomis | evening. | 03:10 |
| frob | pupnik: it is, but I can't install it | 03:10 |
| frob | pupnik: http://pastebin.com/m12105921 | 03:12 |
| pupnik | i got similar complaints trying to install it on it2007he | 03:14 |
| pupnik | i didn't look into it further - maybe you can manually install those dependencies? | 03:14 |
| frob | trying, apt-get isntalling the whole long chain, until I got to this showstopper | 03:15 |
| frob | Package osso-browser-opera-adapter is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 03:15 |
| frob | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or | 03:15 |
| frob | is only available from another source | 03:15 |
| frob | E: Package osso-browser-opera-adapter has no installation candidate | 03:15 |
| frob | (I'm totally uninterested in having opera, tough) | 03:16 |
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| pupnik | it seems to be preinstalled on the itos | 03:17 |
| pupnik | afaict | 03:17 |
| frob | yup | 03:17 |
| frob | so how am I supposed to develop extensions for the browser now? :D | 03:17 |
| pupnik | grep opera-adapter /var/lib/dpkg/status | 03:18 |
| pupnik | Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcst, libdbus-1-2 (>= 0.61), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.61), libgconf2-6 (>= 2.6.4.15), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.6-1osso1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2:2.6.10-1.osso8), libjpeg62, libosso-gnomevfs2-0, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), libssl0.9.7, maemo-browser-eal (>= 1.7.5), osso-browser-opera-adapter (>= 2:1.0.4), osso-ic-lib, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), osso-browser-opera-dynamic | 03:18 |
| pupnik | Package: osso-browser-opera-adapter | 03:18 |
| pupnik | i dunno, i am a bear of little brain | 03:18 |
| frob | the point is, they got this beta software out for -developers- to use, but apparently it's not possible to do so | 03:19 |
| frob | thanks anyway pupnik | 03:20 |
| pupnik | i'd ask the questions in itt forums and/or maemo-developer list | 03:20 |
| pupnik | i also want to try the browser | 03:20 |
| pupnik | have you used it on the tablet yet? | 03:20 |
| frob | yes | 03:21 |
| pupnik | how is it? speed / rendering | 03:21 |
| frob | worked fairly well, didn't seem slower than opera (I haven't used it a lot tough) | 03:21 |
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| frob | the good thing was I could finally use google reader | 03:21 |
| frob | and flash works too (sluggish as before, tough) | 03:22 |
| pupnik | ok. i really dislike this trend toward cpu-hungry websites. | 03:22 |
| pupnik | it is getting harder to avoid them | 03:22 |
| frob | definitely, it's a goddamn feed reader after all | 03:22 |
| pupnik | :/ well cheers - it's late here | 03:23 |
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| frob | 2:23 am here :D | 03:23 |
| frob | bye pupnik | 03:23 |
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| Esine | hi. I noticed they're selling nokia 770 really cheap at some webshops (source: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2564229) | 04:02 |
| Esine | and I might be buying one | 04:02 |
| Esine | but first I need to know can it do multitasking well? and I know maemo is based on GTK+ so should all GUI apps be written in GTK+? | 04:03 |
| Esine | I assume it runs an X server.. right? or is it framebuffer? | 04:03 |
| Esine | then.. I heard busybox is installed there by default but I was thinking if you could install the full gnu coreutils and some other standard software. is it possible? | 04:04 |
| Esine | how about flashing the device? or can I just compile my own kernel for it, boot it up and expect it to work? what if my kernel is configured wrong? what kind of boot manager do you have? | 04:05 |
| Esine | I also heard mplayer works fine with it but I just want a confirmation for this. it'd be cool to play Ogg Theora videos on it. Also all my music is in Ogg Vorbis can I play them? | 04:07 |
| nomis | Esine: find your answers at http://maemo.org | 04:08 |
| Esine | yeah but sometimes the documentation is vague and real life differs from it | 04:08 |
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| Esine | so I'd like to hear peoples' experiences | 04:09 |
| milhouse | yes it multi tasks, yes it uses xserver | 04:13 |
| milhouse | you might want to check itt forums | 04:14 |
| milhouse | itt? | 04:14 |
| _Monkey | itt is, like, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 04:14 |
| Esine | cool like thanks man like like | 04:14 |
| milhouse | thank _monkey :) | 04:14 |
| derf | The 770 doesn't have enough RAM to get more than 2 or 3 applications open, and there's no mechanism to open the virtual keyboard for non-GTK apps. | 04:14 |
| Esine | I fail to see how 64MB is too low. What's taking up all the ram? GTK+ or X11 or your own software? | 04:15 |
| derf | You obviously haven't profiled a webbrowser recently. | 04:17 |
| Esine | I use Opera :-) | 04:17 |
| Esine | but I was thinking multiple applications one of them not necessarily being a web browser | 04:18 |
| derf | The 770 also comes with Opera. | 04:19 |
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| Esine | yeah | 04:19 |
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| Esine | btw.. you can set the wlan nic in 770 to promiscuous mode right? that'd be the ultimate portable sniffing tool 8) | 04:43 |
| Esine | better than my Nintendo DS at least | 04:44 |
| frob | I'd be happy to know if anybody managed to install browser on scratchbox, thanks | 04:45 |
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| ericz_ | can you actually make phone calls with the 770 using it's bluetooth? | 04:55 |
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| disq | ericz_: there's a phonelink application at the garage for that. never tried | 05:02 |
| disq | frob: if you install it from the 770 image it should work. qemu won't emulate arm6 instruction set and opera for n800 is probably compiled with arm6 optimizations | 05:04 |
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| frob | disq: but I mean the mozilla browser | 05:11 |
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| disq | frob: it should work with cpu transparency but with bare qemu i'm not sure | 05:34 |
| frob | disq: the problem is the package is not installable on scratchbox (missing dependencies) and it's not compilable either (missing source packages) | 05:36 |
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| Kludgy | Hi. Anyone have experience installing Hamachi for the n770? Can it be done via sudo gainroot? | 05:39 |
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| frob | Kludgy: hamachi is closed source, and there's not version for the ARM architecture, how did you get it to run ? | 05:43 |
| disq | frob: there's hamachi for maemo | 05:44 |
| frob | oh, cool | 05:45 |
| * frob hides in a corner | 05:45 | |
| Kludgy | The (non-production) files are here: http://files.hamachi.cc/linux/nokia-770/ | 05:46 |
| Kludgy | I don't think sudo gainroot gets you the necessary privileges to install though, so I'm not sure how others are accomplishing the installation (though there are a lot of confirmations that it works) | 05:48 |
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| Kludgy | got it.. don't understand the nuances, untarring the hamachi package to the media card sets the file permissions to user:root.. and ./install results in permission denied. When I did the same in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents, the file permissions come from the tar (1003:100) and it works. | 06:42 |
| Kludgy | I don't know does it have something to do with the way the media device is mounted? | 06:42 |
| disq | the memory card is mounted "noexec" | 06:44 |
| disq | so you can't execute anything on it. also, since it's fat permissions/ownerships won't stick | 06:45 |
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| Kludgy | thanks disq great info | 06:49 |
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| sciboy | That's another few stores I've found stocking n800's in australia... | 07:14 |
| sciboy | Has there been any news? I want to get one but I'd rather get it with a valid warranty. | 07:14 |
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| keesj | sciboy: what kind of news? | 07:42 |
| sciboy | keesj, About a release in australia, whether there is any dates or anything, because I've found it listed on the nokia site as "upcoming", singapore had their own release and all these shops are starting to pop up with it. | 07:43 |
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| vertoo | hey | 07:44 |
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| disq | <- just released a new and improved maemoscrobbler (0.1.2) | 07:45 |
| frob | cool! | 07:57 |
| frob | disq: does it do radio ? | 07:57 |
| disq | no. but there are two other packages for last.fm radio (maemo-fm and one more) | 07:58 |
| disq | check the maemo garage for details | 07:58 |
| frob | mm, will do | 07:58 |
| frob | I installed maemoscrobbler yesterday but only to find out that it requires player support | 07:59 |
| frob | (but I don't know what player supports it) | 07:59 |
| disq | currently only kagu does | 08:00 |
| disq | also there's a diff for UKMP in the ukmp garage tracker | 08:00 |
| disq | kagu is https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu | 08:00 |
| disq | anyway, night | 08:09 |
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| jga23 | is there any way to programatically turn on the led on the n800 with python? | 08:14 |
| keesj | sciboy: so long after the initial relase? | 08:22 |
| sciboy | keesj, Yup. | 08:22 |
| sciboy | keesj, I mean, the singapore release came out of the middle of no where, and it makes sense that they'd test the waters first. | 08:23 |
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| pupnik | AHA i'm not the only one who can't log into maemo.org "derfBecause I can't log in. // derf I mean, to downloads.maemo.org. // derf It refuses to log me in with my garage account. | 11:43 |
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| rittyan | am I right thinking that I cannot connect to a wifi network with hidden ssid? I can't find where I can type ssid, I can only select it from list of found networks... hm (nokia n800) | 11:46 |
| pupnik | interesting | 11:48 |
| pupnik | i thought hidden ssid nets would show up in the list | 11:48 |
| rittyan | but hey, hidden ssid is hidden | 11:50 |
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| gomiam | give me a sec while I reconfigure my SSID to be hidden and try to connect to it :-) | 11:53 |
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| gomiam | ok, as expected I lost my connection to the chat. Now it's time to try to connect to the AP | 11:56 |
| gomiam | and I have connected with no problems | 11:56 |
| gomiam | so yes, you can connect to hidden SSIDs | 11:56 |
| gomiam | (as long as you know them and the rest of data | 11:57 |
| pupnik | :) | 11:59 |
| gomiam | is that information enough? | 11:59 |
| rittyan | gomiam, "as long as you know them" <- do you mean I have to specify them somewhere or they show up in the list automagically? | 12:02 |
| gomiam | checking the connection creation wizard | 12:03 |
| gomiam | hold on | 12:03 |
| gomiam | I have configured my AP to hide the SSID | 12:03 |
| gomiam | but I have the AP data set in my N800 | 12:03 |
| rittyan | oh, that's maybe why | 12:03 |
| gomiam | when it searchs for SSIDs it automatically broadcasts a request for my hidden network | 12:04 |
| gomiam | and my AP answers accordingly | 12:04 |
| rittyan | I cannot configure AP here, it is in closed room and sysadms are home today (satursday)... all I can do is follow documentation | 12:04 |
| gomiam | and you can set a WiFi connection up without being able to see it. Just set it as a hidden network | 12:05 |
| gomiam | (for example, that's the standard way the wizard works when trying to set a connection up in connectionless mode) | 12:05 |
| gomiam | the wizard finds it can't scan for SSIDs and tells you to set to connection up by hand. | 12:06 |
| gomiam | is that enough info? :-) | 12:07 |
| rittyan | oh yes it worked | 12:08 |
| rittyan | thank you | 12:08 |
| rittyan | i forgot about that control panel... tried to do things from wifi statusbar icon ^^; | 12:08 |
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| gomiam | yay | 12:09 |
| * gomiam does little happy dance. Floor tiles groan under the stress... | 12:10 | |
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| pupnik | why? | 12:11 |
| gomiam | you don't want 100Kg+ prancing on you either :-D | 12:12 |
| rittyan | kg? I just heard somebody said kg *hides his lunch break made of big pizza* | 12:13 |
| gomiam | as in Kilogram, (that what is known to be about 2.2 pounds) | 12:14 |
| gomiam | :-P | 12:14 |
| gomiam | pizza? | 12:14 |
| gomiam | nyam nyam | 12:14 |
| rittyan | yeah, with chicken, double layer of cheeze, tomato and stuff.. | 12:14 |
| * gomiam stalks rittyan | 12:15 | |
| rittyan | long way to go) I live far away | 12:15 |
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| gomiam | on unrelated matters, what would you think of someone who writes a self-help newsletter starting to repeat himself after a year? :-D | 12:17 |
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| gomiam | rittyan: unless you live in the Antartic base you aren't probably far away enough :-P | 12:18 |
| gomiam | (and that's just because it's dark over there in winter) | 12:19 |
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| pupnik | wow, Ted Tso posts to the maemo-users mailing list | 12:20 |
| gomiam | ! | 12:20 |
| pupnik | i think all the linux gurus should have tablets :) | 12:21 |
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| rittyan | gomiam, well.. okay I give up :-D | 12:23 |
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| gomiam | pupnik: I would be happy enough with all tablets having gurus (that would make me one automagically) | 12:25 |
| gomiam | linux gurus, that is | 12:25 |
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| pupnik | i need a guru | 12:27 |
| pupnik | a) someone who can port a virtual onscreen keyboard and figure out a way to bring it up ontop of fullscreen sdl programs | 12:27 |
| pupnik | b) someone to port SquidgeSNES or DrPocketSnes | 12:28 |
| pupnik | c) someone to port Picodrive Genesis emulator | 12:28 |
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| pupnik | i can make the list arbitrarily long :) | 12:28 |
| gomiam | port as in "port to Maemo", right? | 12:28 |
| gomiam | :-D | 12:28 |
| pupnik | yeah it shouldn't be that hard... those emus are running on gp2x (ARM920t) | 12:29 |
| rittyan | pupnik, why not zsnes? | 12:29 |
| pupnik | zsnes is x86 asm | 12:29 |
| rittyan | ouch | 12:29 |
| guru3 | port bochs then too | 12:30 |
| guru3 | if they're a guru, it shouldn't matter to them | 12:30 |
| guru3 | (please ignore my name at this point) | 12:30 |
| gomiam | yay! Only two more Ultrastar packs to go :-D | 12:30 |
| pupnik | I have dosbox running ok. Also Snes9x http://pupnik.de/snes9x_maemo.tgz | 12:30 |
| guru3 | dosbox? | 12:31 |
| _Monkey | somebody said dosbox was about as fast as an ibm xt | 12:31 |
| gomiam | now _that_ could be fun, porting Ultrastar to Maemo | 12:31 |
| guru3 | dosbox running on a tablet... that could be interesting | 12:31 |
| gomiam | _Monkey: fast enough for me to run Nibbler then :-D | 12:31 |
| _Monkey | gomiam: i'm not following you... | 12:31 |
| pupnik | Prince of persia is playable | 12:31 |
| _Monkey | i already had it that way, pupnik. | 12:31 |
| gomiam | _Monkey: Ultrastar is a Singstar clone | 12:31 |
| _Monkey | OK, gomiam. | 12:31 |
| * rittyan wishes to have nintendo ds as well :< | 12:32 | |
| gomiam | being able to run it on Maemo would be fun IMO | 12:32 |
| pupnik | dosbox is http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz | 12:32 |
| pupnik | dosbox? | 12:32 |
| _Monkey | somebody said dosbox was about as fast as an ibm xt | 12:32 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget dosbox | 12:32 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot dosbox | 12:32 |
| guru3 | will it run on a 770? | 12:33 |
| pupnik | dosbox is about as fast as an IBM XT/AT, available at http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz | 12:33 |
| pupnik | _Monkey dosbox is about as fast as an IBM XT/AT, available at http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz | 12:33 |
| _Monkey | i already had it that way, pupnik. | 12:33 |
| pupnik | yes | 12:33 |
| guru3 | great | 12:33 |
| pupnik | dosbox? | 12:33 |
| _Monkey | dosbox is about as fast as an IBM XT/AT, available at http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz | 12:33 |
| * zuh . o O ( Dune II on a N800... hmmm... ) | 12:36 | |
| zuh | pupnik: did you have to twiddle the sources? | 12:36 |
| pupnik | Not for 0.65 0.70 will need some work | 12:37 |
| gomiam | zuh: OMG | 12:37 |
| gomiam | I think I still have the disk dumps around :- | 12:37 |
| gomiam | :-D | 12:37 |
| pupnik | there's a guy who is looking into dynamic recompilation for x86-arm | 12:38 |
| pupnik | not holding my breath for it though | 12:38 |
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| pupnik | Dune II: "While official requirements are a 386/16 with 3MB of RAM, I found it plays very nicely on a 286/10, too" | 12:40 |
| pupnik | that might be playable | 12:40 |
| guru3 | lol | 12:41 |
| gomiam | pupnik: it _was_ playable | 12:42 |
| gomiam | you only needed to wait 20 minutes for the two last levels to load | 12:42 |
| gomiam | :-D | 12:42 |
| * zuh still remembers how there was time to read a comic book while C64 games loaded | 12:43 | |
| zuh | From the tapes | 12:43 |
| gomiam | heh, all my brother's friends came home to take advantage of us having a double tape radiocassette | 12:44 |
| guru3 | Ah, the good old days. | 12:44 |
| gomiam | even though we didn't even have a microcomputer | 12:44 |
| zuh | The good old moss-covered days | 12:44 |
| zuh | I still have my 386. I haven't had the heart to throw it away. Too bad our C64 has burned something, it would be nice to play some REALLY old games for a change | 12:45 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/frodo_c64_emu_on_770.jpg | 12:47 |
| pupnik | the frodo guys are working on a SDL menu (forever now)... I ported the tcl/tk menu to the nokia but it's pretty dodgy | 12:48 |
| zuh | I meant "for real" ;) | 12:48 |
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| blkhawk | morning | 12:49 |
| zuh | It's just not the same without real hw :P | 12:49 |
| * gomiam ponders the wiseness of buying a Bluetooth keyboard | 12:49 | |
| pupnik | hmm. 9 euro for a c64 on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.de/Commodore-C64-Brotkasten_W0QQitemZ110149231786QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3544QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 12:50 |
| twrHarri | c64 is so legendary thing, I actually have one still somewhere stored carefully ;) | 12:50 |
| pupnik | i hated the keyboard | 12:51 |
| twrHarri | With floppy + tape ;) | 12:51 |
| twrHarri | Keyb was mostly useless, imho. | 12:51 |
| pupnik | gomiam: a bluetooth keyboard completely transforms the tablet imo. i would not go back to vkbd | 12:52 |
| gomiam | but they are _expensive_ | 12:52 |
| rittyan | pupnik, vkbd = one hand... bt kbd = you have to put tablet somewhere | 12:52 |
| gomiam | around EUR100 | 12:53 |
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| pupnik | yeah i paid 100 eu. | 12:53 |
| gomiam | rittyan: so vkbd and btkbd have their different moments | 12:53 |
| gomiam | no problem with that for me :-) | 12:53 |
| rittyan | gomiam, yes but I wouldn't use btkbd on bus stop for example | 12:53 |
| gomiam | even though I would use one hand to hold both kbd and tablet :-D | 12:53 |
| gomiam | it shouldn't be that difficult with the N800 | 12:54 |
| rittyan | it may be fine if you are an acrobat | 12:54 |
| pupnik | the thinkoutside stowaway has a clip that could be modified to firmly hold the nokia | 12:54 |
| pupnik | i usually have a backpack or attache-style case with me, so i put that on my lap | 12:55 |
| rittyan | pupnik, isn't it dangerous? | 12:55 |
| rittyan | to let something else hold your nokia instead of your hands | 12:55 |
| gomiam | has anybody tried the Targus Thumbpad? | 12:55 |
| pupnik | the clip is a removable piece of plastic. I imagine you could bend a piece of sheet metal and screw or glue it to the clip | 12:56 |
| gomiam | http://www.optize.es/servlet/TARGUS_BLUETOOTH_THUMBPAD_FOR_SMARTPHONE_320999_optize.html | 12:56 |
| gomiam | don't worry about the text, it's Spanish | 12:56 |
| rittyan | is there any delicious client for maemo? | 12:57 |
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| pupnik | good price on that. but i can really type fast on the stowaway | 12:57 |
| gomiam | yeah, this one is a one-finger solution :-) | 12:57 |
| blkhawk | Hey - I am looking for something to connect to the serial console | 12:58 |
| blkhawk | is there any source for these plugs or at least some mobile cable tat can be modified? | 12:59 |
| blkhawk | I need it to see what my kernel says when booting ;) | 12:59 |
| zuh | I think there is somewhere a description of the pins | 13:02 |
| blkhawk | ya | 13:02 |
| blkhawk | I got it - but i need fomething to connect to them | 13:03 |
| blkhawk | I do not want to solder wires onto them | 13:03 |
| gomiam | heh, I found the Nokia Bluetook GPS at EUR89 | 13:04 |
| gomiam | I may even think about buying it too :-D | 13:04 |
| gomiam | (most devices cost around the same anyway) | 13:04 |
| gomiam | hold that | 13:05 |
| gomiam | there's a EUR60 item available | 13:05 |
| gomiam | bye bye Nokia :-) | 13:05 |
| zuh | blkhawk: Well, the only option then is to make a "head" for the cable (say, poking wires trough some foam/plastic or something) and do some tape magic to make it stay in place ;) | 13:05 |
| pupnik | found some profiling (oprofile) and ARM optimization code... svn checkout http://arm1136j-s.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ arm1136j-s | 13:05 |
| blkhawk | zuh: good idea | 13:10 |
| blkhawk | ma<ybe | 13:10 |
| blkhawk | some small nails and a piece of styrofoam | 13:10 |
| * blkhawk is away buing stuff | 13:11 | |
| * pupnik misses Tak and ssvb and tko | 13:15 | |
| * rittyan syncs tree of sources for like a hour... nothing to do at work | 13:19 | |
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| * zuh starts up colonization | 13:27 | |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 13:28 |
| zuh | Hmm, make that Colonization to avoid global panic (no, I'm not going to take over the world ;) | 13:28 |
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| pupnik | colonization the game | 13:33 |
| pupnik | ? | 13:33 |
| zuh | Yeah | 13:34 |
| zuh | Didn't wait for it to start a game though (took forever). There's something wrong with the mouse coordinates... | 13:35 |
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| pupnik | if dosbox is using sdl relative mouse movement, i need to change that to absolute | 13:44 |
| pupnik | right now i'm doing graphics benchmarking | 13:44 |
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| zuh | I guess Colonization would be playable if the mouse would track properly | 13:48 |
| pupnik | this is the first report i've heard of the problem | 13:49 |
| pupnik | can you try another mouse game to confirm? | 13:49 |
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| zuh | I'm using the vanilla sources btw | 13:49 |
| pupnik | 0.65 or 0.7? | 13:50 |
| zuh | 0.65 | 13:50 |
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| pupnik | do you want to do the mouse fix? | 13:53 |
| zuh | If by "do" you mean "investigate sources and code it" then no, don't have time for that (leaving today for a trip, coming back next week). But if you mean "apply a patch and test", then I'm game :) | 13:55 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 13:57 |
| pupnik | another thing to do | 13:57 |
| zuh | Hmm, what should I set fullresolution to? | 13:57 |
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| zuh | And I did test with both TIM and Colony, same behaviour | 14:02 |
| pupnik | ok thanks | 14:02 |
| pupnik | i've addressed this in another SDL game and it's not too hard | 14:03 |
| zuh | The y coordinate seems to have some scaling factor relative to the center by the looks of it | 14:03 |
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| pupnik | yeah variable scaling needs to be addressed | 14:06 |
| pupnik | RESULT: fill_opaque (256 frames in 2.1302 seconds): 120.1737 FPS | 14:06 |
| pupnik | RESULT: blend_opaque (256 frames in 4.7225 seconds): 54.2085 FPS | 14:06 |
| pupnik | RESULT: blend_transp24 (256 frames in 16.5207 seconds): 15.4957 FPS | 14:07 |
| pupnik | RESULT: blend_transp32 (256 frames in 15.3529 seconds): 16.6744 FPS | 14:07 |
| pupnik | RESULT: blend_transp16_8 (256 frames in 11.3701 seconds): 22.5153 FPS | 14:07 |
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| pupnik | RESULT: blend_transp24 (256 frames in 16.5207 seconds): 22.4513 FPS | 14:23 |
| pupnik | bah | 14:23 |
| pupnik | arm9_memcpy() memory bandwidth (align=0, size=4096): 128.60MB/s | 14:34 |
| pupnik | N770 | 14:34 |
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| pupnik | N800 arm11_memcpy() memory bandwidth (align=0, size=4096): 335.13MB/s | 14:34 |
| * rittyan will play with python + delicious api + glade | 14:35 | |
| rittyan | at least I am in mood now.. and I hope I will be in mood after 5 hourses, when I get home | 14:36 |
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| gomiam | "hourses"? is that animauls with four leugs? :-P | 14:45 |
| sp3000 | you must be hungry | 14:46 |
| sp3000 | or, ... *cough* nm | 14:46 |
| gomiam | :-D | 14:47 |
| rittyan | hours :-D | 14:49 |
| rittyan | a weird typo is weird x_x wonder what have I thought of | 14:49 |
| pupnik | "hourses" = "hours" in Gollum-speak | 14:49 |
| zuh | precioussssss hoursessss | 14:49 |
| pupnik | :) | 14:50 |
| pupnik | memcpy speeds vary tremendously between the different implementations, sizes and alignments | 14:50 |
| zuh | pupnik: any idea what the cycles value would ideally be? | 14:54 |
| pupnik | i've been testing games around 800, and using 100 and 100 for cycleup and down | 14:55 |
| pupnik | i've seen playable results up to 3000, but i don't know how much sense that makes | 14:55 |
| pupnik | you can keep "top" running in a ssh window to look at how inc/dec cycles affects cpu load | 14:56 |
| zuh | What's CurMode->sheight and cheight? | 14:57 |
| pupnik | duno. | 14:59 |
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| alterego | I can't believe there's no food in the fuggin' house. | 15:08 |
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| pupnik | this is what boxes of ramen in the closet are for | 15:13 |
| alterego | :) | 15:13 |
| alterego | 2:00am last night. I finally got my libosso binding to stop seg faulting. | 15:14 |
| alterego | It was the weirdest thing. | 15:14 |
| alterego | /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/irb/slex.rb:36: [BUG] Segmentation fault. | 15:16 |
| alterego | Crap .. Wrong channel. | 15:17 |
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| guardian_ | hmm | 15:20 |
| guardian_ | setting up sdk on another box | 15:20 |
| guardian_ | ubuntu feisty | 15:20 |
| guardian_ | what to do when xephyr crashes ? | 15:20 |
| guardian_ | segmentation fault, i have no other package version available :( | 15:20 |
| pupnik | i test on the device | 15:21 |
| alterego | pupnik, how do you do that may I ask? NFS? | 15:30 |
| alterego | SSH/NFS? | 15:30 |
| pupnik | no i just scp the stuff over | 15:30 |
| alterego | Urgh | 15:30 |
| alterego | That's a bit fiddly :D | 15:30 |
| pupnik | i think i need a different kernel for nfs | 15:31 |
| alterego | Yeah. | 15:31 |
| alterego | Maybe samba then :D | 15:31 |
| alterego | Or .. Can the N800 read mmc card when the cable is plugged in? | 15:31 |
| pupnik | no | 15:31 |
| derf | sshfs. | 15:32 |
| alterego | Figures, on a completely different note. Is there a good news group reader for maemo/n800 ? | 15:32 |
| db48x | yea, sshfs is the way to go | 15:32 |
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| sp3000 | sprinkle a little dnotify on top and you could skip the manual copy stage :P | 15:37 |
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| sp3000 | well or sshfs | 15:37 |
| sp3000 | but that's too simple | 15:38 |
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| pupnik | dyslexia can be fun... i just typed 'sodbox'. which applies rather well | 15:59 |
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| Savi_Bot | hello all | 16:05 |
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| Savi_Bot | i m sorry for such stupid question , please tell me how to hard reset nokia 770 | 16:06 |
| pupnik | for 'hard reset', i turn it off by holding down the power button | 16:07 |
| Savi_Bot | but it will only turn devie off wont it? | 16:07 |
| pupnik | right. then i turn it on with the power button | 16:07 |
| Esine | Savi_Bot, you can reflash it I think | 16:08 |
| Savi_Bot | but i need tio return it to the factory settings | 16:08 |
| Esine | that's basically what reflashing means | 16:08 |
| Savi_Bot | esine i need linux ? any chance doing it with win? | 16:09 |
| Esine | I thought you could do it within the device | 16:09 |
| Savi_Bot | i have win on my notebook | 16:09 |
| Esine | if not, google | 16:09 |
| Savi_Bot | is it os 2007 already available for 770? | 16:10 |
| Esine | only an unstable version that doesn't work properly | 16:11 |
| Savi_Bot | i would like to reflash on it | 16:11 |
| Savi_Bot | any decent changes there? | 16:11 |
| Savi_Bot | ok i go read maemo.org . have a good day | 16:12 |
| pupnik | i don't see many benefits to running os2007he | 16:13 |
| pupnik | we would need more people working on it, and packaging.. it is not easy to pull together i think | 16:14 |
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| Savi_Bot | how do i install tar.bz2 files? | 16:18 |
| zakx | tar xjvf file.tar.bz2 will unpack it | 16:19 |
| Savi_Bot | ok thanx | 16:19 |
| Savi_Bot | i type it in xterm right? | 16:19 |
| pupnik | yes | 16:20 |
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| pupnik | dosbox065 no liek it2007he :( | 16:37 |
| guru3 | i didn't get around to trying it yet becaue i have no idea what i'll run | 16:38 |
| pupnik | trying dune2 now | 16:38 |
| guru3 | most of the games i can think of already run | 16:39 |
| pupnik | in what | 16:39 |
| guru3 | on it2006 | 16:40 |
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| pupnik | well it's been 4 minutes since starting dune 2 | 16:42 |
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| orzel | hello. Is there a way to 1)know 2)test the software you'll get with a nokia n800 ? | 16:53 |
| whaq | ahhh dune... the precursor of rts.. | 16:54 |
| rwhitby | orzel: for 1) you can look in the official and community maemo repositories | 16:54 |
| whaq | or was it herzog zwei.. | 16:55 |
| rwhitby | for 2) I'm not aware of an emulator, but perhaps you can try one at a shop somewhere (e.g. an airport electronics duty free shop?) | 16:55 |
| orzel | rwhitby: if you install the sdk, you can test the applications it seems. But this is a difficult install. I can do it, but not everybody here who wanna test. | 16:56 |
| orzel | rwhitby: http://guerby.org/ftp/dpkg-n800.txt <- this is the officiel n800 list, right? | 16:56 |
| orzel | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalog2007/ <- and this would be the.. 'community' one? | 16:57 |
| pupnik | the community doesn't do a very good job of submitting stuff to a central repository | 16:59 |
| pupnik | most of it seems to be there though | 17:00 |
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| guardian_ | re | 17:17 |
| pupnik | hi | 17:17 |
| guardian_ | i still have xephyr crashing | 17:17 |
| guardian_ | so annoying | 17:18 |
| pupnik | http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DAI0034A_efficient_c.pdf <- for anyone interested in ARM assembly | 17:18 |
| guardian_ | fresh feisty | 17:18 |
| pupnik | do you get error messages running login from /scratchbox? | 17:18 |
| guardian_ | no | 17:19 |
| guardian_ | xephyr just segfaults as described here : http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/10480 | 17:20 |
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| pupnik | as a quick comparison, have you tried the vmware image? | 17:25 |
| guardian_ | no | 17:26 |
| guardian_ | i have another box at work | 17:26 |
| guardian_ | that works like a charm | 17:26 |
| guardian_ | :/ | 17:26 |
| guardian_ | gonna move to my workplace although it's the week end, will take less time than smacking the shit out of the opensource :D | 17:26 |
| guardian_ | since i changed hardware, linux experience degraded dramaticaly | 17:27 |
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| tigert | back home | 17:55 |
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| guerby | orzel, my dpkg-n800.txt is probably not up to date for the latest firmware | 18:00 |
| disq | wb tigert | 18:00 |
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| agogo | I installed vnc viewer after flashing the most recent OS update..it cannot connect to my desktop real vnc server "connection failed"..my laptop logs on to my desktop fine..only n800 cannot do so..can anybody assist? | 18:11 |
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| agogo | hey guys | 18:19 |
| agogo | I installed vnc viewer after flashing the most recent OS update..it cannot connect to my desktop real vnc server "connection failed"..my laptop logs on to my desktop fine..only n800 cannot do so..can anybody assist? | 18:19 |
| disq | the channel is mostly dead on weekends | 18:19 |
| SeRi | hehehe | 18:19 |
| SeRi | lol | 18:19 |
| rhys | weekends? oh | 18:19 |
| rhys | what day is it? | 18:20 |
| SeRi | we got lives beyond this channel ;P | 18:20 |
| rhys | oh. saturday | 18:20 |
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| agogo | haha | 18:20 |
| agogo | okay | 18:20 |
| disq | mine connects fine to tightvnc server | 18:20 |
| rhys | i seriously didnt know. i had to alt tab to the terminal and run date. :\ | 18:20 |
| agogo | extremely weird..laptop works fine with vnc viewer to vnc server..n800 problematic | 18:21 |
| SeRi | maybe user error? works fine for me | 18:21 |
| agogo | maybe it is user error..reinstalled it twice..there goes my computer engineering degree down the toilet | 18:22 |
| disq | did you try giving the vncviewer the port or the screen id? like ip.address:0 or ip.address:defaultvncport (just guessing) | 18:23 |
| tigert | also many people have been in guadec | 18:23 |
| SeRi | because you have computer engineering degree does not mean you can have errors | 18:23 |
| tigert | which is still going on, plus people have summer vacations right now as well | 18:24 |
| SeRi | I am a UNIX engineer and still make mistake some times :P | 18:24 |
| agogo | ya..could just be me..no offence seri | 18:24 |
| SeRi | guadec! yay! | 18:24 |
| agogo | i tried 192.168.1.102 and 192.168.1.102:5900, should I include the password too? | 18:25 |
| SeRi | offence none taken! :) | 18:25 |
| SeRi | no | 18:25 |
| rhys | 5901 eh? | 18:25 |
| SeRi | try 192.168.1.102:0 | 18:25 |
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| SeRi | or 192.168.1.102:1 | 18:25 |
| agogo | it always says "connection failed" . | 18:25 |
| agogo | okay..ill try that | 18:25 |
| rhys | :1 | 18:25 |
| rhys | or :0.1 | 18:25 |
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| agogo | hehe..while im waiting to boot up..I shoudl definitely peel off the factory screen protector and get a new one eh? | 18:26 |
| SeRi | If is new leave it there | 18:27 |
| SeRi | Works grate as a temp protector :) | 18:27 |
| SeRi | just remove the small peal tab | 18:27 |
| agogo | okay..192.168.1.102:0 returns connection failed | 18:28 |
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| agogo | 192.168.1.102:1 says unable to connect | 18:29 |
| agogo | lets try :0.1 | 18:29 |
| agogo | okay..connection failed..aihh | 18:29 |
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| agogo | i give up :P | 18:37 |
| SeRi | lol @ aihhh | 18:37 |
| SeRi | Mhhh maybe iptables is enable in the new firmware bydefault... ?!? | 18:38 |
| SeRi | try iptables -L | 18:39 |
| SeRi | see what you get | 18:39 |
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| agogo | doesnt seem to work..nevermind seri..thanks anyway | 18:51 |
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| disq | just built libconic0 on maemo2.2. will try if it works | 19:11 |
| SeRi | man I am so bored | 19:14 |
| SeRi | Dont want to upgrade my tablet to the latest firmware untill the flash card issue is reolve | 19:14 |
| SeRi | resolved* | 19:14 |
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| teer2 | timeless: are you in? | 20:04 |
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| disq | wow. the 770 is still so useful. i didn't recall it being so good (i have the n800 for 6 months now) | 20:51 |
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| disq | compiled/signed n800 versions of curl/libcurl and libconic0 (which isn't available on the 770) and uploading right now | 20:57 |
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| blkhawk | ok I still need the source code image from the 1.1 SDK | 21:52 |
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| schroeder_ | hi there | 22:51 |
| schroeder_ | i need some help with the package manager :( | 22:51 |
| blkhawk | whats your problem? | 22:52 |
| schroeder_ | apt-get upgrade quiets with the error-message: Error occureed while processing matchbox-window-manager (NewVersion1) | 22:53 |
| schroeder_ | i am running os2007he on a n770 | 22:53 |
| blkhawk | tried flushing your cache? | 22:53 |
| schroeder_ | no, how can I do that? | 22:53 |
| blkhawk | no idea - you will have to look it up yorself :) | 22:54 |
| schroeder_ | lol, ok thanks :D | 22:55 |
| cesman | less memory fails:apt-cache flush | 22:55 |
| blkhawk | do you know wheater upgrading the bootloader on a prototype 770 will break it? | 22:55 |
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| schroeder_ | apt-cache flush, same error: Error occureed while processing matchbox-window-manager (NewVersion1) | 22:57 |
| cesman | then I guess memory fails... :( | 22:57 |
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| schroeder_ | hmm | 22:57 |
| blkhawk | any idea why all the howtoes for kernel compiling insist on doing it with dpkg-buildpackage? | 23:00 |
| blkhawk | Why can't i just get a crosscomplier, patch the kernel and then compile it? | 23:00 |
| blkhawk | why do i need the whole scratchbox she-bang? | 23:00 |
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| blkhawk | i need Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_v1.1_arm.tgz | 23:11 |
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| blkhawk | anybody got access to the repository it in? the file seems chmodded unreadable | 23:11 |
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| blkhawk | I really do need that file | 23:12 |
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| disq | i only have 2.0 | 23:13 |
| disq | 2.0rc16 that is | 23:13 |
| blkhawk | :/ | 23:13 |
| blkhawk | I cannot update to 2.0 | 23:13 |
| disq | (oh also found 2.2 and 3.0) | 23:13 |
| blkhawk | ya | 23:13 |
| blkhawk | mut i need 1.1 | 23:13 |
| disq | why do you need the itos2005 files? | 23:13 |
| blkhawk | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/ | 23:14 |
| blkhawk | disq: I have a prototype n770 | 23:14 |
| disq | ah | 23:14 |
| blkhawk | I have been warned against swapping the bootloaders | 23:14 |
| disq | unfortunately this channel is dead on weekends | 23:14 |
| blkhawk | disq: i hadn't had much look under the week either :( | 23:15 |
| blkhawk | doyou know who has access to the repository and can chmod it right for me? | 23:15 |
| disq | you can mail ferenc | 23:15 |
| disq | he's not on right now though | 23:16 |
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| blkhawk | :) | 23:28 |
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| blkhawk | hey X-Fade | 23:32 |
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| maxf | hi there | 23:51 |
| _Monkey | hi, maxf | 23:51 |
| maxf | nice to see there's a maemo channel | 23:52 |
| maxf | ... where I can complain about my n800 not working ;) | 23:52 |
| maxf | so. It seems that my removable card reader does not read cards. | 23:53 |
| maxf | internal one works, and swapping cards does not change anything. | 23:54 |
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| * maxf suspects a hardware fault and wonders if it's common | 23:54 | |
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