| trevarthan | Luria: I've been watching the new Battlestar Gallactica series lately. I think I'm the only geek on the planet that missed it when it came out. It's bloody fantastic. I think it's even better than the new Doctor Who series.... | 00:00 |
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| Luria | trevarthan, thats because anything done byt the st:ds9 people is great | 00:00 |
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| timelE61i | hi db48x | 00:02 |
| db48x | hello :) | 00:02 |
| db48x | what client do you use on that thing? | 00:03 |
| timelE61i | how'd it read? | 00:03 |
| trevarthan | Luria: didn't know they were the same. I used to watch ds9 when I was a kid. I liked it. I liked Babylon5 more though. | 00:03 |
| db48x | your rant? | 00:03 |
| timelE61i | mIRGGI | 00:03 |
| Luria | bab5 was great, except for the acting | 00:03 |
| * timelE61i nods | 00:03 | |
| trevarthan | :) | 00:03 |
| db48x | it was good :) | 00:03 |
| * db48x loved bab5 | 00:04 | |
| trevarthan | have you guys seen Firefly? That was a killer series while it lasted. | 00:05 |
| timelE61i | btw, do you habe hw? | 00:05 |
| db48x | timelE61i: you should post that sort of thing on the website | 00:05 |
| db48x | no, I don't | 00:05 |
| trevarthan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_%28TV_series%29 | 00:05 |
| timelE61i | web site's official, it'd require approval... | 00:06 |
| disq | firefly rocks | 00:06 |
| * db48x shrugs | 00:06 | |
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| timelE61i | so how's your build? | 00:07 |
| dragorn | trevarthan: firefly coming to HD this month, too, if you have dish | 00:08 |
| Luria | but the legacy of ds9 writers/producers:battlestar, 4400, the dresden files... | 00:08 |
| db48x | timelE61i: it failed again | 00:08 |
| db48x | I'm giving up on mounting it from outside the vm | 00:08 |
| trevarthan | I used to watch the old BG series when I was a kid and really, really, really, really bored. I think that's why it took me so long to start watching the new one. It had this whole 70s crappy tin robots and boredom stigma in my mind. | 00:08 |
| db48x | I'll just have to run the vm any time I need access to the source | 00:08 |
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| db48x | oh, and it turns out the reason it was taking so long before was that it was swapping | 00:09 |
| timelE61i | tomorrow i get to try to figure out why the set engine menu didn't install | 00:09 |
| Luria | are people mostly working on the vm or installing scratchbox on dedicated machines? | 00:09 |
| timelE61i | ah, heh | 00:09 |
| db48x | the vmware guest driver had 600 megs resident, in my 256 meg virtual ram | 00:09 |
| trevarthan | dragorn: nah, I've got MythTV, so I'm old school analog cable. I don't use it much anymore though. I think Naruto and Doctor Who are all I record. I mostly bittorrent stuff these days. | 00:09 |
| timelE61i | i use both | 00:09 |
| Luria | i just dont get why they made the vm so damn big | 00:10 |
| timelE61i | ? | 00:11 |
| Luria | the appliance | 00:11 |
| Luria | i dont need a full ubuntu install | 00:11 |
| * dougsko thought there was a maemo vm appliance for a sec there | 00:12 | |
| Luria | ummm | 00:13 |
| Luria | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 00:13 |
| dougsko | heh im dumb | 00:13 |
| Luria | no problem. just dont ask me to run your code. | 00:14 |
| Luria | (j/k) | 00:14 |
| * trevarthan drools on himself | 00:14 | |
| dougsko | oh ok, so its basically just ubuntu with scratchbox already set up on it | 00:14 |
| Luria | yeah | 00:14 |
| db48x | I'm only using a vm becaause my normal os is a 64 bit linux | 00:15 |
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| Luria | if i werent lazy, id roll my own | 00:15 |
| Luria | i found a p4/1.6 on the street the other day. when i have a chance, ill use that as a development machine. | 00:16 |
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| db48x | heh | 00:16 |
| Luria | gotta love nyc | 00:16 |
| Luria | pulled the hard drive tho | 00:16 |
| Luria | but was nice enough to include the breakout cable for the 9600 AIW card | 00:17 |
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| Luria | you know, open APs used to be faster. | 00:20 |
| db48x | heh | 00:20 |
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| unique311 | hmmmmm | 00:25 |
| unique311 | gmailFS...good stuff... | 00:25 |
| unique311 | for N800/770 | 00:25 |
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| dougsko | encfs ontop of gmailfs is pretty sweet too | 00:25 |
| unique311 | http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html | 00:25 |
| db48x | heh | 00:25 |
| unique311 | gonna see if i can find the source | 00:26 |
| Hyperion2010 | wow, touchscreen actually responds on the right side now :o | 00:28 |
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| Luria | i wish there were a super tiny ap. low power transceiver, plug right into a rj45 jack like a terminator | 00:30 |
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| Luria | bonus points for PoE | 00:30 |
| Luria | would be great to use the n800 on wired networks | 00:30 |
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| timelE61i | for audreys, we used usbethernet :) | 00:32 |
| Hyperion2010 | has anyone written a keyboard profile for the stowaway think outside keyboard? | 00:32 |
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| db48x | timelE61i: did I mention that this is the longest mozconfig file I've ever seen? | 00:37 |
| timelE61i | heh. | 00:37 |
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| disq | i want an accelerometer addon (drop it in the serial port at the back) | 00:37 |
| timelE61i | iirc it's mostly disasbled items | 00:37 |
| db48x | yea | 00:37 |
| db48x | and system libs | 00:37 |
| timelE61i | The bad thing is quilt hacks configure too! | 00:37 |
| db48x | and a lot of commented out lines | 00:38 |
| db48x | really, wow | 00:38 |
| db48x | what does it change? | 00:38 |
| timelE61i | welcome to debian | 00:38 |
| timelE61i | please don't ask me to remember | 00:38 |
| db48x | heh | 00:38 |
| timelE61i | remember, this is 3g. Which means i'm neither at home nor at work | 00:39 |
| db48x | there are 14 patches here that modify configure.in | 00:40 |
| db48x | --enable-microb, --enable-js-binary | 00:42 |
| db48x | --disable-xremote | 00:43 |
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| Hyperion2010 | is there hope for an implementation of the about:config searching in the new browser? | 00:45 |
| db48x | --disable-moz-mork :) | 00:45 |
| db48x | none of these are really terrible so far | 00:45 |
| db48x | certainly no worse than I myself have done | 00:45 |
| milhouse | hyperion - i guess so, the search box is there but it's not working, probably due to it's beta status | 00:45 |
| milhouse | i just wish it had tabs :) | 00:46 |
| db48x | --enable-embedding-tests is nice | 00:46 |
| Hyperion2010 | hehe ok | 00:46 |
| Hyperion2010 | its still better than opera :x | 00:46 |
| db48x | well, I need to sleep | 00:46 |
| Hyperion2010 | ya, I'm hoping for tabs | 00:47 |
| Hyperion2010 | those will really be a huge productivity boost | 00:48 |
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| timelE61i | good night | 00:55 |
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| jamey | is anyone interested in patches to libosso so it will build under feisty? | 00:59 |
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| timelE61i | why wouldn't it build under feisty? | 01:03 |
| Hyperion2010 | bah, why is there no video for skype :( | 01:04 |
| jamey | feisty's gcc seems to be stricter than whatever it was built under, or it defaults to treating warnings as errors. It does not built under feisty. | 01:08 |
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| jamey | there is a const char ** that is written and gcc does not like it | 01:09 |
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| Hyperion2010 | is the open-ssh installer repository down? | 01:18 |
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| Luria | what language is best for developing on the n800? i went through the hildon howtos and its all c++, but i see lots of python apps | 01:25 |
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| edt | how do you switch between the browsers? | 01:25 |
| Luria | (i mean gui, of course) | 01:25 |
| edt | the docs make a ref to an 'advanced' menu. Where is it? | 01:26 |
| Luria | edt: ~/.browser | 01:26 |
| Luria | change hidden:false to :true | 01:26 |
| _Monkey | Luria: that doesn't look right | 01:26 |
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| Luria | funny, i just did it 5 minutes ago | 01:27 |
| Luria | it adds an "engine" option to the menu | 01:27 |
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| timelE61i | Monkey: sb = not : | 01:35 |
| edt | Luria thanks that works | 01:35 |
| edt | think this should be enabled by default when you install the 'non beta' engine... | 01:36 |
| timelE61i | Does garage offer a wiki? | 01:36 |
| timelE61i | edt: it was supposed to be | 01:36 |
| edt | not here | 01:37 |
| timelE61i | testers failed to use a proper virgin box | 01:37 |
| timelE61i | yes yes. Wrong supposed | 01:37 |
| edt | is there such thing as a virgin box? | 01:37 |
| edt | mine is not | 01:37 |
| timelE61i | i.e. We're not bad intentioned just poorly tested | 01:37 |
| timelE61i | i'll figure it out after i sleep | 01:38 |
| edt | time1E61i your webpage said it was a test and that you wanted feedback - hence this | 01:38 |
| edt | I am _very_ pleased to see this | 01:39 |
| edt | I will be even more glad when it manages to scroll smoothly without popping up the keyboard without reason | 01:39 |
| edt | it also buffers the scroll request so when you release the key it keeps on scrolling | 01:40 |
| edt | which is a _pita_ | 01:40 |
| timelE61i | slightly more interested in getting notes for 3.2007 up | 01:40 |
| edt | notes for 3.2007 ? | 01:40 |
| timelE61i | note that feedback should mostly be in bugzilla | 01:40 |
| edt | will do | 01:40 |
| timelE61i | otherwise i'll never get to sleep | 01:41 |
| edt | this is the fastest way to get help though | 01:41 |
| timelE61i | search first, read the first few bugs | 01:41 |
| edt | yes | 01:41 |
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| timelE61i | change browser is clearly listed in bugzilla | 01:42 |
| _Monkey | timelE61i: that doesn't look right | 01:42 |
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| edt | I support a large sap installation at work - some of the time I work on bugs the quality of which stink. When I enter on I try report enough to make it fixable/repeatable | 01:42 |
| timelE61i | Monkey?? | 01:43 |
| timeless | monkey?? | 01:46 |
| rwhitby | monkey is a not-very-smart bot | 01:48 |
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| timeless | rwhitby: understatement | 01:48 |
| timeless | ok, if anyone has os 2007 from week 10 instead of 24 | 01:49 |
| timeless | and wants to install microb | 01:49 |
| timeless | http://webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 | 01:49 |
| timeless | => x-fade | 01:49 |
| timeless | edt: please read bug 1672 before filing anything :) | 01:50 |
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| edt | timeless I added to 1672 since I see the same behavior | 02:04 |
| edt | I also opened two others | 02:04 |
| edt | one is a real bug where dpad scrolling does not stop when you release the button | 02:04 |
| edt | the second it an enhancement request | 02:05 |
| * edt muses that its really nice to have a device like the n800 - its at least as powerful at the p100 I started to use linux on... | 02:06 | |
| timeless | edt: grumble | 02:07 |
| timeless | what part of "url is not optional" did you miss? | 02:07 |
| timeless | if you want to talk about random events, spam somewhere else | 02:07 |
| timeless | if the problem is that it happens on heavy pages | 02:07 |
| timeless | then provide a heavy page | 02:07 |
| timeless | the zoom stuff is a bit of a mess | 02:08 |
| timeless | it's a known mess | 02:08 |
| edt | timeless please be specific and I will gladly supply some examples that cause the problem? Are you talking about the scrolling issue? | 02:09 |
| timeless | yes | 02:09 |
| timeless | please fill in the url field | 02:10 |
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| edt | will do - thats one reason I mentioned the new bug here... I posted a url btw it also triggers 1672 | 02:14 |
| timeless | edt: i get bugmail for all bugs in the component | 02:14 |
| timeless | and i notice them pretty much instantly | 02:14 |
| edt | timeless I suspect you will be a very busy person for the next couple of days... | 02:15 |
| * timeless shrugs | 02:15 | |
| edt | Its not a bad thing if it means the product get better fast | 02:15 |
| timeless | most of the bugs people will file already exist internally | 02:16 |
| timeless | and most aren't fixed because they're nontrivial | 02:16 |
| timeless | saving zoom state for instance | 02:16 |
| timeless | the state stuff is managed by gecko | 02:16 |
| edt | timeless why not get some of these posted externally? | 02:16 |
| edt | I would save some time on both sides | 02:16 |
| timeless | and has rules for storing which don't match the ones the ui eng wants | 02:17 |
| Veggen | mmf, any idea what codecs the sip on the n800 communication beta supports? | 02:17 |
| timeless | well, for one, most of the bugs in the internal bugzilla aren't much better than the external one will get | 02:17 |
| Veggen | Can't get it to talk to my cell phone (via Asterisk) | 02:17 |
| timeless | for another, i don't have people to do it | 02:17 |
| timeless | and most suckily, i have people who demand i maintain bugs in the internal bugzilla | 02:17 |
| edt | timeless ask for help on maemo.org | 02:17 |
| timeless | believe me, i'd love to kill off the internal bugzilla | 02:17 |
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| timeless | but i can't, because of rules relating to non nokians | 02:18 |
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| timeless | so, no one here has an n800 not running the latest software? | 02:18 |
| edt | what is the restriction an nda? you could probably get some of us to sign if we gain something (maybe just more access) from the transaction. | 02:19 |
| timeless | no | 02:20 |
| timeless | it's that the non employees aren't generally allowed to interact w/ the public | 02:20 |
| edt | for instance I would love to know why 4bit and 48m support was disabled on the 4.2007 kernel mmc support | 02:20 |
| timeless | general contracting rules say that contractees can't really disclose they exist | 02:20 |
| timeless | to whom they contract, or what they do | 02:20 |
| timeless | plus they'd have to know what they can't say | 02:21 |
| timeless | having watched us try to maintain a *small* gateway to another company | 02:21 |
| timeless | using only 2-3 people as gateways | 02:21 |
| edt | you need a new class of people to work with opensource nda(ed) volunteers | 02:21 |
| timeless | where those people *did* know what they weren't supposed to say | 02:21 |
| timeless | they still messed up on at least a couple of occassions :( | 02:21 |
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| timeless | yeah, if i could get people like that, it'd be great... it's not actually impossible | 02:22 |
| edt | I know the kernel people have a setup for driver devs that works along these lines | 02:23 |
| edt | so you can get help with drivers with devs under an nda with the end result that a gpl driver appears in the kernel | 02:24 |
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| edt | timeless would you know if nokia has talked to the devs of the pilot app mplayer? They have codecs working for the pilot that do not (yet) work on the n800? | 02:27 |
| Radar | mmm mozilla awesome | 02:27 |
| timeless | edt: sorry | 02:27 |
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| timeless | i don't know anything about pilot, mplayer | 02:27 |
| edt | a little help to the mplayer devs could really benefit nokia | 02:28 |
| * edt get a url for timeless | 02:28 | |
| timeless | edt: atm i need to find someone who can help me w/ gstreamer :( | 02:28 |
| timeless | but i need to sleep first | 02:28 |
| disq | <- need help w/ pygtk | 02:29 |
| edt | timeless see http://www.mmplayer.com/ | 02:29 |
| disq | or generic gtk would also do i guess | 02:29 |
| edt | they have a media player on omap supporting lots of codecs | 02:29 |
| edt | If they could be encouraged to dev on an n800 we would all benefit | 02:30 |
| Radar | gonna try setting up tversity tonight | 02:30 |
| edt | timeless I have found gstreamer to be a temperamental app on normal linux... think that any stable app that supports lots of codecs would be a good thing even if it does not use gstreamer | 02:32 |
| unique311 | well my go at gmailfs is a no go | 02:32 |
| * timeless shrugs | 02:33 | |
| edt | as you well know its not hard to get the n800 to use different apps for specific mime types / file extensions (just two files in most cases from what I have seen) | 02:33 |
| timeless | gecko's getting ogg w/o gstreamer | 02:33 |
| timeless | i need it switched to gstreamer | 02:33 |
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| edt | timeless have you talked with Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>? He might be able to help atleast on the driver side (he started the offer to get nda(ed) dev to build gpl(ed) drivers) | 02:36 |
| edt | btw I do not expect answers to all the questions - know that nda limit what you can say.. | 02:37 |
| edt | I have a cousin working for the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) and talking to him about any sort of covert stuff is quite funny as there are questions he will not/cannot react to. | 02:39 |
| * edt notes that fast typing leads to really bad grammar... | 02:40 | |
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| edt | timeless supper time here - sleep well! | 02:46 |
| unique311 | this is a pretty cool site...www2.goowy.com | 02:47 |
| unique311 | try out the demo | 02:47 |
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| Radar | vnc a success, tversity not so much | 02:57 |
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| Radar | woo, tversity working.. awesome | 03:10 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks! | 03:50 |
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| eichi_N800 | is there a poodcast app for maemo? | 03:59 |
| disq | there's gpodder | 03:59 |
| disq | check in garage | 03:59 |
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| eichi_N800 | NeoStrider, gooogle is your friend...? | 04:04 |
| NeoStrider | not really...im a enemy of the empire =-P | 04:04 |
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| eichi_N800 | then try nuts....is it the name ...? | 04:05 |
| NeoStrider | did it | 04:05 |
| NeoStrider | file roller | 04:05 |
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| fsmw | good night everybody | 04:17 |
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| NeoStrider | good night | 04:18 |
| fsmw | i can't do apt-get update, it can't resolve the repository, i've been googling for a while but the solutions and work arround doesn't works | 04:18 |
| fsmw | apt-get update under SB | 04:18 |
| eichi_N800 | disq, is there no repo? just install deb from the side....? | 04:20 |
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| disq | eichi_N800: yeah, probably | 04:20 |
| disq | night, bedtime | 04:22 |
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| fsmw | problem solved, my friend murrayc did it http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html | 04:30 |
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| eichi_N800 | howw to change, what happens, if open the camera of the n800 | 04:33 |
| eichi_N800 | i dont want to start the messager than | 04:33 |
| eichi_N800 | an i want to deactive the second messanger/mail icon..or change them | 04:35 |
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| pupnik | morning! | 05:55 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 05:55 |
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| atomik | sup yall | 05:55 |
| atomik | just what i was looking for, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | 05:55 |
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| pupnik | hmm firefox developer? | 05:57 |
| pupnik | have you guys tried windowmaker on nokia 770/800? | 05:57 |
| pupnik | or roxbox whatever? | 05:57 |
| pupnik | we need a pop-up keyboard solution for non-hildon apps | 06:01 |
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| pupnik | i have reverted to a whiner | 06:05 |
| unique311 | whining is good.... | 06:07 |
| unique311 | good for the health | 06:07 |
| pupnik | heh hi unique311 | 06:07 |
| unique311 | i gave rox a shot, and when back to default real quick... | 06:08 |
| pupnik | did you try the virtual keyboard? | 06:09 |
| unique311 | no | 06:09 |
| unique311 | i learned of the virtual keyboard after removing it.. | 06:09 |
| unique311 | i removed it because i couldn't type.... | 06:09 |
| unique311 | lol | 06:09 |
| pupnik | how do you invoke the vkbd? | 06:10 |
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| yllus | Hey guys, has anyone got the Bloglines 770 .deb package file? Unfortunately the site is dead | 06:12 |
| pupnik | WHAT'S THAT FOR | 06:22 |
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| pupnik | sorry | 06:22 |
| pupnik | morning AD-N770 | 06:22 |
| AD-N770 | mornig | 06:22 |
| pupnik | port graphical tome! :P | 06:23 |
| AD-N770 | earlier as usual :) | 06:23 |
| pupnik | yeah | 06:23 |
| AD-N770 | I'm going to try http://moblin.org soon | 06:26 |
| AD-N770 | I expect port nethack on it too | 06:26 |
| pupnik | when are the MID devices coming out? | 06:27 |
| AD-N770 | by now on a samsung UMPC | 06:28 |
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| pupnik | does intel have any mobile CPUs/chipsets that compare with OMAP for performance and power drain? | 06:29 |
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| AD-N770 | I don't belive it, they sold xcale to marvel | 06:29 |
| AD-N770 | and they plans are based on x86 mobile | 06:30 |
| pupnik | lol the intel mobile site says nothing about watts | 06:30 |
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| pupnik | i wish x86 would die | 06:31 |
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| tauren_ | anyone know of a resource for getting true kiosk mode from an N770 or N800? I want it to boot to a browser and not let users do anything else but stay on one website. | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | PPC FTW | 06:32 |
| pupnik | well there's a 1.4ghz pentium M LV738 that sucks only 10w | 06:33 |
| AD-N770 | I'm happier when I write ARM assembly than when I write x86 assembly | 06:33 |
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| pupnik | "TI OMAP beats Intel XScale in tests" “Let me tell you, the OMAP processor cleaned Intel’s clock, finishing the test in less than one-third the time.” | 06:35 |
| pupnik | Still thats spin from the TI camp | 06:36 |
| AD-N770 | xscale was based on ARM5 and current TI devices are ARM6, the new set of instructions for parallel calculations are nice | 06:38 |
| pupnik | "The great thing about the ARM architecture is that the more I look at a piece of code, the more ways I find to optimize it. The conditional execution, barrel shifter and optional setting of the processor flags create many opportunities for optimization." | 06:38 |
| pupnik | i love the OMAP 1710's low standby power | 06:39 |
| AD-N770 | I prefer the cpu on the N800 but for a regular use I prefer my old n770 cover and soft buttons | 06:41 |
| pupnik | yeah 770 is a tank | 06:42 |
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| pupnik | hahaha someone selling a Psion 5mx pro for 280 euro on ebay | 06:51 |
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| pupnik | hmm 3d shutter glasses are now down to about 20 euro | 07:48 |
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| timeless | hrm | 08:52 |
| timeless | is there some magic way to get people not to say "i confirm this bug" | 08:52 |
| timeless | i really don't need i confirm comments | 08:52 |
| timeless | hello x-fade? | 08:53 |
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| Luria | no one home, huh? | 09:17 |
| vertoo | I am | 09:17 |
| vertoo | sitting here all bored and what not texting people and on voip watching my irc rooms lol | 09:17 |
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| Luria | okeey | 09:19 |
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| blkhawk[work] | lo | 09:30 |
| pupnik | hi | 09:30 |
| _Monkey | what's up, pupnik | 09:30 |
| pupnik | hi | 09:30 |
| pupnik | hello | 09:34 |
| _Monkey | hi, pupnik | 09:34 |
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| pupnik | goodbye | 09:37 |
| pupnik | hi _Monkey | 09:37 |
| pupnik | hello | 09:37 |
| _Monkey | hola, pupnik | 09:37 |
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| Luria | gah. my pentium m doesnt like vmware... | 09:54 |
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| user_ | #Fedora | 09:56 |
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| blkhawk[work] | hi, I got a question - is there a os image that can be put directly onto a MMC card without having to copy it from internal flash? | 10:01 |
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| blkhawk[work] | can I load a complete image with the flasher? or only a kernel | 10:08 |
| guardian | good morning maemo | 10:11 |
| pupnik | blkhawk[work]: yes complete image | 10:11 |
| pupnik | hi guardian | 10:11 |
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| blkhawk[work] | pupnik: got details? | 10:16 |
| blkhawk[work] | i need to tet an image before i do anything - this here is not a normal n770 | 10:16 |
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| pupnik | flash howto | 10:20 |
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| pupnik | !g flash howto | 10:20 |
| pupnik | !google flash+howto+maemo+n770 | 10:20 |
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| Monkulus | shoot me. | 10:21 |
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| Monkulus | thank you | 10:22 |
| blkhawk[work] | pupnik: i cannot flash it | 10:22 |
| Monkulus | stupid vm image needs pae; my p-m has none | 10:23 |
| blkhawk[work] | not without testing the image first | 10:23 |
| Monkulus | anyone know if there is an alternative maemo vm image? | 10:24 |
| * Monkulus shoots /me | 10:25 | |
| blkhawk[work] | no idea | 10:27 |
| blkhawk[work] | I am looking for a image to directly put on a MM card myself | 10:27 |
| keesj | Monkulus: there is the same but qemu based | 10:30 |
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| Monkulus | doesnt qemu need pae too? | 10:31 |
| Monkulus | i thought so, but i guess off to google | 10:31 |
| Monkulus | haha. keesj: | 10:32 |
| Monkulus | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-06-28.log.html | 10:32 |
| Monkulus | gwak__my Pentium M chip does not have this feature i guess/ | 10:33 |
| Monkulus | KaylaKazea VMWare image is a virtual machine/ | 10:33 |
| Monkulus | keesjqemu does not need that | 10:33 |
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| Monkulus | guess not the first time this has come up | 10:33 |
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| pupnik | i run vmware on a p3 | 10:43 |
| Luria | p3 has pae | 10:46 |
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| Luria | 400mhz fsb pentium Ms dont | 10:47 |
| blkhawk[work] | ok - any idea where the experimental kernels are downloadable? | 10:48 |
| pupnik | PAE is the second method supported to access memory above 4 GB; this method has been widely implemented. PAE maps up to 64 GB of physical memory into a 32-bit (4 GB) virtual address space using either 4-KB or 2-MB pages | 10:48 |
| blkhawk[work] | I want to try to boot a kernel over USB | 10:48 |
| Luria | guess what i have :-/ | 10:49 |
| pupnik | hmm.. this is interesting! I thought those pentium Ms were more recent than p3s and should have all the good stuff | 10:49 |
| db48x | they are more recent, but they don't need PAE | 10:49 |
| db48x | the M stands for Mobile | 10:49 |
| db48x | they need to draw less power, not have more features | 10:49 |
| pupnik | ah. well they are much preferable over the PIV-Mobiles! | 10:49 |
| konttori | Hey, does anyone know how to make a gstreamer that handles wma? | 10:50 |
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| blkhawk[work] | i need the Linux Nokia770 + IPv6 + Ext2 + MMC 2GB + MMCPlus52Mhz support Kernel | 10:55 |
| blkhawk[work] | its missing in the garage | 10:56 |
| blkhawk[work] | anone got a downloadlink for me please? | 10:56 |
| pupnik | :( | 10:56 |
| blkhawk[work] | dang | 10:57 |
| pupnik | i probably have an old download of it | 10:57 |
| blkhawk[work] | I feel like stuck in mud - no going forward and no back | 10:57 |
| pupnik | http://armin-warda.de/os2006-linux-2.6.16+ipv6+ext2+mmc2gb-zImage | 10:58 |
| pupnik | did you see that? | 10:58 |
| blkhawk[work] | no | 10:58 |
| blkhawk[work] | does it have the speedup too? | 10:59 |
| blkhawk[work] | a doesn't matter | 10:59 |
| pupnik | hmm | 10:59 |
| blkhawk[work] | i just need to see if it will boot | 10:59 |
| pupnik | http://armin-warda.de/os2006-linux-2.6.16+ipv6+ext2+mmc2gb+mmcplus52Mhz-zImage | 10:59 |
| pupnik | http://armin-warda.de/os2006-linux-2.6.16-39-1+ipv6+ext2+mmcplus52Mhz-zImage | 10:59 |
| blkhawk[work] | many thanks - what is the source | 10:59 |
| pupnik | http://fanoush.webpark.cz/maemo/#mmcplus | 11:00 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 | 11:00 |
| blkhawk[work] | thank you - i was browsing the other repository | 11:01 |
| pupnik | np - i have yet to try this - | 11:01 |
| pupnik | do you know if it2007he uses mmcplus52mhz? | 11:01 |
| blkhawk[work] | nope - sorry | 11:03 |
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| blkhawk[work] | ok - this doesn't boot | 11:09 |
| blkhawk[work] | not too surprising since it not a normal n770 | 11:09 |
| konttori | what is the wma sink on the device (n800)? | 11:15 |
| konttori | is there a way to list gstreamer elements? | 11:17 |
| wumpus | gst-inspect usually, but I'm not sure that command is on the device | 11:18 |
| pupnik | blkhawk[work]: what do you mean 'not a normal n770'? | 11:21 |
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| pupnik | hmm koen works on angstrom | 11:36 |
| pupnik | looks like angstrom gave up on the Psion Netbook Pro. Too bad.. 128MB RAM, 400mhz Xscale, 800x600 touchscreen, great battery life and keyboard. Cheap on ebay now | 11:39 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:44 |
| tigert | morning | 11:45 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: a decent Linux for my non-Pro netBook would be fantastic :-/ | 11:45 |
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| konttori | I got it: fluasfdemux ! fluwmadec ! dsppcmsink | 11:45 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:47 |
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| AD-N770 | konttori: are you decoding WMA files on gstreamer ? | 11:48 |
| konttori | yeah. added wma support to ukmp | 11:48 |
| hyph-n | hi channel -- anoying n00b here | 11:48 |
| AD-N770 | good job on the media player | 11:49 |
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| hyph-n | i've just got this wonderful n770 & am unable to Refresh the Package list in the Application manager | 11:50 |
| hyph-n | i just get an error (Internet connection is ok) | 11:50 |
| konttori | AD-N770: thanks! | 11:50 |
| hyph-n | ideas? / Help? | 11:50 |
| hyph-n | I've just got the 2 standard Repositories listed | 11:50 |
| konttori | I have now same level of support for wma files that I have for ogg files. AAC files should also be supported now, but I haven't tested them yet. | 11:50 |
| konttori | hyph-n: disable one of them at a time and try again | 11:51 |
| AD-N770 | konttori: I expect that in the future playbin will work properly, then you'll be able to use just playbin uri=<url to file> | 11:51 |
| AD-N770 | and gstreamer magic will select the required elements for the media | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | hyph-n: check the menu Tools > Log in the app manager - that will tell you which repository is failing to update | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | hyph-n: then you can temporarily disable it. | 11:52 |
| hyph-n | jaffa: I have -- it don't even work if i only have the nokia certified one enabled! | 11:52 |
| pupnik | Jaffa: i was running linux on my netbook for a few months... Worked fine | 11:52 |
| pupnik | .deb packages happyland | 11:53 |
| pupnik | The dstn display stinks though | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: apart from the lack of a standby mode and the general state of ropeyness. A Hildon desktop port would be nice :-) | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | hyph-n: do web pages work correctly? Perhaps it's a proxy issue? | 11:54 |
| hyph-n | jaffa: yes | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | hyph-n: what error message does the log show? | 11:54 |
| pupnik | lmao - people selling a regular netbook for 479 euro on ebay | 11:54 |
| hyph-n | jaffa: hang on.. i'll save the log... | 11:55 |
| konttori | AD-N770: sounds really great! Would be so much easier that way | 11:55 |
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| hyph-n | jaffa: the log: | 11:59 |
| hyph-n | osso-application-installer 4.22.1, UI version 1 | 11:59 |
| hyph-n | E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/mistral/Release.gpg Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | hyph-n: can you open http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ in your browser? | 12:00 |
| hyph-n | jaffa: just about to try... | 12:00 |
| Jaffa | :) | 12:00 |
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| Jaffa | lo koen | 12:01 |
| koen | hey Jaffa | 12:01 |
| guardian | anyone knows hildon-im-protocol here ? | 12:02 |
| * koen wonders why 3 different people emailed about netbook (pro) and linux the past week | 12:02 | |
| hyph-n | jaffa: mmmm... i can from this laptop, but not from the N770 - which i guess it the problem... | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | hyph-n: it looks like a DNS issue since it says "1.0.0.0" in the log | 12:03 |
| hyph-n | jaffa: yeah, but i'm not sure why i can connect using my laptop using the same wifi connection -- i also have the same problem from another AP\ | 12:04 |
| pupnik | oh cool, i found the netbook pro linux distro. almost no chat about it though. http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/netbook-pro/20070709/ | 12:07 |
| hyph-n | jaffa: doing a traceroute (on my mac), it says that catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com has multiple IP address... | 12:07 |
| mgedmin | it does | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | it's hosted by akamai | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | any of those IPs should work | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | as long as it's not 1.0.0.0 ;) | 12:09 |
| hyph-n | mgedmin: :-) yeah, but why is my N770 resolving it to 1.0.0.0 ? - or failing to resolve it at all? | 12:11 |
| hyph-n | i've even reflashed it all & try from scratch - same problem... | 12:11 |
| hyph-n | are there any diags / checks i can run on the unit? | 12:14 |
| mgedmin | it's not necessarily your unit's fault | 12:17 |
| mgedmin | but I've no idea why dns resolution might give you strange and wrong IPs | 12:17 |
| hyph-n | mgedmin: mmmm ... :-( | 12:17 |
| hyph-n | mgedmin: it's strange that i've had this problem in to different locations using different DNS servers... | 12:18 |
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| pupnik | hi koen, what is operational status of OE on Netbook Pro? | 12:28 |
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| koen | pupnik: you can build kernels and software, but not run it because the checksum add tool is closed | 12:29 |
| hyph-n | just installed X Terminal - no ping or trace route...?! | 12:29 |
| koen | pupnik: I can forward the mail from the dude working on the checksum tool | 12:30 |
| pupnik | koen - i don't have a NB pro, just watching an ebay auction | 12:31 |
| hyph-n | has anyone else had a problem with DNS resolution to http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ | 12:31 |
| pupnik | i don't think i could help with the kernel level work :( Nice to see that there's still some interest. | 12:32 |
| pupnik | koen: how do you think the 400mhz xscale compares to omap 1710 or 2420? | 12:32 |
| koen | about the same as the 1710 | 12:33 |
| koen | slower memory bus | 12:33 |
| pupnik | ok. hehe pulster.de is selling a new netbook for 899 euro and a new netbook pro for 849 euro :P | 12:34 |
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| Djude | Hallo allerseits. Hat jemand Lust mir zu helfen, einen SQLite Server auf dem Mokia N800 zu installieren? | 12:45 |
| `0660 | hallo | 12:46 |
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| pyhimys | Djude: Eiköhän se löydy jostain maemo.orgista? | 12:51 |
| kaatis | Djude, sqlite libs are in there by default and sqlite is standalone, no server | 12:54 |
| hyph-n | hey - solved the problem... bizzaere | 12:55 |
| hyph-n | just added the FBReader repository to it & now everything works?! | 12:55 |
| hyph-n | oh well... at least it's working now - thanks for the help | 12:55 |
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| db48x | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 13:02 |
| db48x | libc6-dev: Conflicts: libdb1-dev but 1.85.4-osso7 is to be installed | 13:02 |
| db48x | E: Broken packages | 13:02 |
| db48x | does anyone know what that means? | 13:03 |
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| timeless | db48x: i'm about to head to lunch | 13:05 |
| timeless | basically libc6-dev claims to conflict w/ libdb1-dev | 13:05 |
| timeless | libdb1-dev is pending installation | 13:06 |
| timeless | in debian land, generally speaking you can't install conflicting packages | 13:06 |
| db48x | hmm, ok | 13:06 |
| timeless | conflict resolution is um, "interesting" | 13:06 |
| db48x | heh | 13:06 |
| timeless | you can try to find a non conflicting pair | 13:06 |
| timeless | or hack things | 13:06 |
| timeless | did you see my page explaining how to install microb on the older n800 os release? | 13:06 |
| db48x | by conflict do they generally mean they try to install different versions of the same files? | 13:07 |
| db48x | no, I didn't | 13:07 |
| timeless | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 | 13:07 |
| timeless | incompatible possibly related files | 13:07 |
| timeless | not necessarily ever actually overwriting the same files | 13:07 |
| timeless | imagine /usr/bin/nano claimed to conflict w/ /usr/bin/pico | 13:08 |
| timeless | even if nano didn't actually include a file named /usr/bin/pico | 13:08 |
| timeless | but just because it didn't want you to keep that old "icky" pico package | 13:08 |
| db48x | nice | 13:08 |
| timeless | or flash9 could claim to conflict with flash7 | 13:08 |
| timeless | even though the two packages don't have any overlapping files | 13:09 |
| timeless | often it's used as an upgrade/migration forcing scheme | 13:09 |
| timeless | btw, i don't like debian structure :) | 13:09 |
| timeless | if i want flash7 and flash9 installed, i should be able to have both :) | 13:09 |
| timeless | similarly if i want gcc295, 296, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, i should be able to have all of the above :) | 13:10 |
| db48x | yea | 13:10 |
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| timeless | but in debian i'll be forced to take at most maybe 2 of those w/o repackaging + renaminging packages | 13:10 |
| timeless | but enough debian ranting :) | 13:10 |
| timeless | the design goal for debian is a single coherent system | 13:10 |
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| timeless | and these features work very hard to achieve that | 13:10 |
| * timeless heads out | 13:11 | |
| db48x | thanks | 13:11 |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:12 |
| timeless | it's 1pm here | 13:12 |
| lardman | close enough ;) | 13:12 |
| lardman | ~ugt | 13:12 |
| infobot | [ugt] Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 13:12 |
| timeless | heh | 13:13 |
| db48x | yea, this is bogus | 13:13 |
| lardman | Anyone with stereo bluetooth headphones about? | 13:13 |
| db48x | there's no way libdb1-dev conflicts with libc6-dev | 13:14 |
| timeless | db48x: apt-cache policy and, apt-get -d install and dpkg are the tools you play w/ | 13:14 |
| timeless | maybe dpkg-deb | 13:14 |
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| * db48x gives up and just edits /var/lib/dpkg/status | 13:31 | |
| timelE61i | :) | 13:31 |
| * timelE61i pokes x-fade | 13:33 | |
| db48x | ok, this is really annoying | 13:33 |
| db48x | I tried to build microb-browser, but that failed because I hadn't build microb-eal, which is fine | 13:33 |
| db48x | I went to build microb-eal, but it failed because microb-browser has unmet dependancies | 13:34 |
| db48x | dependencies? | 13:34 |
| timelE61i | Personally i'd suggest apt-get source ... | 13:34 |
| timelE61i | build the non debian way | 13:34 |
| timelE61i | use run-mozilla the standard way | 13:35 |
| timelE61i | w. TestGtkEmbed, and ignore packaging | 13:35 |
| db48x | yea | 13:35 |
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| * timelE61i wonders where the source for bugs.maemo.org lives | 13:36 | |
| * timelE61i wonders that abesently of course | 13:37 | |
| db48x | ok, how do I unselect a package that I've tried to install? | 13:37 |
| timelE61i | apt-get remove .. | 13:39 |
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| db48x | ah | 13:39 |
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| timelE61i | hrm, low battery. Irc over 3g overnight = drain | 13:47 |
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| db48x | hrm | 13:57 |
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| db48x | well, that's exciting | 14:21 |
| db48x | now that I've compiled everything, maemo won't start | 14:21 |
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| sciboy | What are the physical dimensions of the 770/n800 screen? | 14:25 |
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| blkhawk[work] | sciboy: isn't that in the specs? | 14:39 |
| sciboy | No. | 14:39 |
| sciboy | Only physical dimensions for the device itself, and then the resolution of the screen. | 14:39 |
| alterego | It is | 14:39 |
| blkhawk[work] | 56 by 92 | 14:40 |
| sciboy | It's 4.13" diagonally, but I don't know how to visualise that. =P | 14:40 |
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| sciboy | Cheers. =) | 14:40 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:40 |
| blkhawk[work] | mm | 14:40 |
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| blkhawk[work] | its a little less wide than most pda screens | 14:41 |
| blkhawk[work] | the rsolution is way out there og course | 14:41 |
| db48x | does anyone know where the libgtkadi-dev package is? | 14:41 |
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| feddy | Hello. | 14:45 |
| feddy | My question might be totally of topic, my appologies if so. | 14:45 |
| feddy | I'm intrested in using maemo on the au1100 mipsel platform. | 14:46 |
| feddy | And now I'm wondering what the nokia 770 uses as the lower layer for the graphics. | 14:46 |
| theril | db48x: Which SDK are you using? | 14:46 |
| db48x | theril: maemo 3.2 | 14:47 |
| feddy | I currently am using X and if I run the wxPython demo is terribly slow. | 14:47 |
| sciboy | blkhawk[work], Well thing is I am hoping to use it to check over reference material away from the computer, and to do so comfortably it can't be too small. =P | 14:47 |
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| theril | db48x: I think 3.2 doesn't have it | 14:48 |
| db48x | it worked before | 14:49 |
| sciboy | blkhawk[work], I'm referring to the size because the difference is I won't be holding it close to me while I make notes. | 14:50 |
| theril | db48x: It's in bora extra | 14:51 |
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| theril | Sorry for a bad guess | 14:51 |
| theril | Or not | 14:52 |
| theril | Damn | 14:52 |
| theril | It's not in extras either | 14:53 |
| db48x | hrm | 14:55 |
| timeless | db48x: that comes from somewhere else, i can find it if you need | 14:56 |
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| timeless | db48x: iirc it's in svn though | 14:57 |
| gomiam | ! | 14:57 |
| gomiam | I'm apt-get upgrade-ing my N800 | 14:58 |
| gomiam | and I found several updates for the browser | 14:58 |
| gomiam | that's a new one for me :-) | 14:59 |
| db48x | timeless: ah, ok. where in the svn? | 14:59 |
| gomiam | by the way, has anybody been successful in using the aircrack suite on the N800? | 14:59 |
| timeless | browser.garage | 15:00 |
| timeless | hold on | 15:00 |
| timeless | my firefox is lagged | 15:00 |
| db48x | :) | 15:00 |
| guardian | gomiam: was curious about it but did not try anything yet | 15:01 |
| gomiam | airodump-ng gives me dozens of different MAC addresses for the same ESSID | 15:02 |
| gomiam | it gets a bit annoying | 15:02 |
| timeless | oh nice | 15:03 |
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| timeless | my firefox is only using 1G of *ram* (1.3G of vm) | 15:03 |
| gomiam | timeless: only :-D | 15:03 |
| db48x | heh | 15:03 |
| timeless | gomiam: yes, only :) | 15:03 |
| timeless | too bad this laptop only has 1.5g of ram | 15:04 |
| timeless | my desktop has 4g of ram and something like 30g of swap | 15:04 |
| timeless | db48x: arg | 15:04 |
| timeless | i thought i enabled anonymous svn access | 15:04 |
| gomiam | ok, time to get a bit more tcpdump-y | 15:05 |
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| gomiam | :-D | 15:05 |
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| gomiam | perhaps I'll be able to aircrack-ptw a file the right way | 15:07 |
| gomiam | (argh) | 15:07 |
| guardian | is garage down ? | 15:07 |
| timeless | just very slow | 15:08 |
| guardian | i just can't download a .deb | 15:09 |
| guardian | seems it times out | 15:09 |
| guardian | and it keeps pretending it's connecting | 15:09 |
| timeless | db48x: ok, it's on sourceforge | 15:10 |
| gomiam | what's the deb's URL? | 15:10 |
| gomiam | just to test it from here | 15:10 |
| blkhawk[work] | where exactly does the kernel live in the filesystem on the 770? | 15:12 |
| timeless | http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=136946 | 15:12 |
| timeless | => db48x | 15:12 |
| timeless | blkhawk: presumably the same place it lives in any other linux distro? | 15:12 |
| timeless | it's not like this is series 60 | 15:13 |
| db48x | cool | 15:13 |
| blkhawk[work] | timeless: I wouldn't ask if i could find it - maybe its in its own mtd | 15:13 |
| timeless | ah, yes | 15:13 |
| timeless | sorry :) | 15:14 |
| blkhawk[work] | so it does? | 15:14 |
| * timeless charges 770 | 15:15 | |
| sp3000 | timeless: so if focus a web page text input and drag up on a vkb key such that the drag ends on urlbar I get focus in the urlbar in addition to a capital in the page input | 15:16 |
| sp3000 | and if I drag up to page content the result is a bit random | 15:16 |
| sp3000 | on maemo.org | 15:16 |
| sp3000 | so I suppose nml might be doing some longish gestures | 15:18 |
| sp3000 | actually the focus seems to go weird on google.fi if the gesture ends in content | 15:18 |
| sp3000 | the input keeps its ring but subsequent typing doesn't go to it | 15:19 |
| guardian | grrr still can't get my deb :) | 15:20 |
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| timeless | sp3000: yeah i've had that | 15:25 |
| timeless | could someone please explain how to disable comments on news articles? | 15:25 |
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| colinl | hi there | 15:42 |
| _Monkey | que tal, colinl | 15:42 |
| colinl | does anyone know where to find the maemo gtk2 source tarball? | 15:42 |
| colinl | ph, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/source/g/gtk+2.0/ | 15:42 |
| colinl | forget me :) | 15:43 |
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| eichi | im to stupid to install gplogger on maemo..i need some python packages..where can i get them? | 15:51 |
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| luck^ | eichi, you can get python for maemo at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org | 15:52 |
| pupnik | trevarthan: "Transparency doesn't suck up all the speed, drawing all the background layers so it can find out what to make transparent does. Therefore, it can almost double the work of the gfx engine before it even gets to the "transparency" part (as the snes works by taking background layers and using a color subtraction or addition technique)." It looks like the main speedup is their MMU hack. So memcpy/memove in asm (from mplaye | 15:53 |
| eichi | luck^: is is the install python-runtime 2.5 ? | 15:53 |
| luck^ | eichi, yes | 15:54 |
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| VladDrac | 'llo | 16:01 |
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| * VladDrac just ordered a 770 after finding out they're only £ 73,- nowadays | 16:02 | |
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| Fatal | cripes | 16:02 |
| kenne | anyone here speaking finnish who can translate a few lines for me? | 16:03 |
| eichi | kenne: babelfish? | 16:04 |
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| timeless | kenne: there are people here (not me) who do..., i'm curious to see what caught your attn :) | 16:05 |
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| etrunko_lap | kenne: pon | 16:09 |
| db48x | has anyone here seen this error before? | 16:09 |
| db48x | maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop.launch' | 16:09 |
| db48x | hildon-input-method[5925]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Could not register the osso_hw_set_event_cb | 16:09 |
| db48x | [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > maemo-launcher: died comm_dbus_init: getting dbus bus | 16:09 |
| inz | kenne, I can translate for you | 16:13 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. I think I'm gonna have to change my strategy on making this ruby binding. | 16:19 |
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| Cegy | hi can someone help me please am new to the 770 it has os2006 and i was trying to install mimo but i can't find it | 16:21 |
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| Ceg | hi can someone help me please am new to the 770 it has os2006 and i was trying to install mimo but i can't find it | 16:22 |
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| kenne | inz, I wrote you privately | 16:23 |
| timeless | help | 16:24 |
| Ceg | how do i open a .install file on the 770 | 16:24 |
| timeless | how do i disable forum comments in gforge? | 16:24 |
| timeless | ceg: you probably don't | 16:24 |
| timeless | install files are basically hints to application manager about what repositories to add | 16:25 |
| timeless | and what package to try to install | 16:25 |
| Ceg | ok how do i find minimo and how can i install it | 16:25 |
| timeless | you can open the files w/ notes or a web browser and follow the steps manually | 16:25 |
| * timeless tries to remember when install file support was added | 16:25 | |
| timeless | note that there are two incompatible os's that run on the 770 | 16:26 |
| timeless | os 2005 and os 2006 | 16:26 |
| Ceg | i have the os 2006 | 16:26 |
| timeless | and when i say incompatible, i mean Incompatible with a capital I | 16:26 |
| Ceg | oh ok | 16:28 |
| Veggen | timeless: Experimental for ITOS2006, default supported at launch of N800 ? (install file support) | 16:28 |
| blkhawk[work] | crap | 16:29 |
| blkhawk[work] | I think i just bricked my n770 | 16:29 |
| Veggen | was discussed, at least, before the n800. | 16:29 |
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| blkhawk[work] | anybody know why mv and rm works in the initrd mount but cp doesn't? | 16:29 |
| timeless | heh | 16:30 |
| Veggen | blhawk: hmm. Size? | 16:30 |
| blkhawk[work] | Veggen: free space is enough | 16:30 |
| blkhawk[work] | basically I copied linuxrc out of initrd | 16:31 |
| blkhawk[work] | then deleted the file | 16:31 |
| blkhawk[work] | then wanted to copy a moded version in (same filesize) | 16:31 |
| blkhawk[work] | doesn't work | 16:31 |
| blkhawk[work] | cp backup doesn't either | 16:31 |
| blkhawk[work] | feels like somebody missed mv | 16:31 |
| blkhawk[work] | without the linuxrc file it won't boot! | 16:32 |
| db48x | if cp fails the error message should tell you why it failed | 16:32 |
| timeless | db48x: you trust busybox? :) | 16:32 |
| db48x | oh, busybox. heh | 16:32 |
| blkhawk[work] | Nokia770-04:/mnt/initfs# cp /linuxrc.old linuxrc | 16:32 |
| blkhawk[work] | cp: unable to open `linuxrc': No space left on device | 16:32 |
| blkhawk[work] | and there is space on there | 16:33 |
| blkhawk[work] | damnit | 16:33 |
| timeless | is it mounted readwrite? | 16:33 |
| blkhawk[work] | yes | 16:33 |
| blkhawk[work] | how else could i mv it? | 16:33 |
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| db48x | how many inodes does it have? | 16:33 |
| timeless | i think i've seen some systems which would let mvs succeed if the source was readonly :) | 16:33 |
| blkhawk[work] | timeless: thats retarded | 16:33 |
| * timeless shrugs | 16:34 | |
| timeless | *nix is fun | 16:34 |
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| blkhawk[work] | yes but thats the first thime that happend to me on linux | 16:34 |
| db48x | blkhawk[work]: do df -i | 16:35 |
| blkhawk[work] | db48x: its busybox | 16:36 |
| blkhawk[work] | here :/dev/mtdblock4 2.0M 1.9M 104.0k 95% /mnt/initfs | 16:36 |
| blkhawk[work] | the linuxrc file is 7kb | 16:37 |
| db48x | does busybox's df not have a -i option? | 16:37 |
| blkhawk[work] | nope | 16:37 |
| db48x | huh | 16:37 |
| blkhawk[work] | Usage: df [-hmk] [FILESYSTEM ...] | 16:38 |
| db48x | well, can you create a new file? | 16:38 |
| blkhawk[work] | no | 16:38 |
| blkhawk[work] | i can neither create nor copy nor move a file there | 16:38 |
| db48x | you can move or rename existing files? | 16:38 |
| blkhawk[work] | tho /mnt/initfs/tmp is fine | 16:38 |
| blkhawk[work] | i can do everything in there | 16:39 |
| blkhawk[work] | mtab says | 16:39 |
| blkhawk[work] | this : /dev/root /mnt/initfs jffs2 rw,noatime 0 0 | 16:40 |
| blkhawk[work] | i just wwanted to make it boot from the 2nd mmc partition :( | 16:41 |
| * timeless thought there were packages that did that | 16:41 | |
| sKaBoy | blkhawk[work], iirc you can't write on initfs on a N700, you have to reflash it | 16:41 |
| * timeless frowns | 16:42 | |
| timeless | db48x? | 16:42 |
| blkhawk[work] | sKaBoy: why can i move it then | 16:42 |
| blkhawk[work] | thats retarded | 16:42 |
| timeless | http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla/source/Bugzilla/User.pm#264 | 16:42 |
| db48x | timeless: yea? | 16:42 |
| timeless | shouldn't that say $self->email, not $self->login ? | 16:42 |
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| blkhawk[work] | sKaBoy: can you tell me why? | 16:43 |
| sKaBoy | blkhawk[work], dunno, but it doesn't work :) | 16:43 |
| blkhawk[work] | is it just a busybox limitation? then i cam maybe work around it | 16:43 |
| blkhawk[work] | why not? | 16:43 |
| db48x | timeless: no, I don't think so | 16:44 |
| db48x | timeless: what makes you think it should be email? | 16:44 |
| sKaBoy | blkhawk[work], i _don't_ know, if you're able to make it work.. feel free to do it! i've never tried it, i just tell you what i've read somewhere | 16:44 |
| timeless | db48x: it'd be more useful for what i'm doing :) | 16:45 |
| db48x | http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla/source/Bugzilla/User.pm#1394 | 16:45 |
| blkhawk[work] | ok - jffs2 supports writing | 16:45 |
| db48x | $self->login does return the user's email address though | 16:45 |
| inz | timeless, then you'd need to change the function comment too | 16:45 |
| timeless | inz: sure | 16:45 |
| timeless | db48x: i know that | 16:45 |
| timeless | problem is... | 16:45 |
| blkhawk[work] | i find this extremly unfair - its like stepping on a landmine | 16:45 |
| timeless | if you're visiting a bugzilla | 16:45 |
| timeless | and someone wants to click on a commenter link | 16:46 |
| timeless | they expect it to deliver mail | 16:46 |
| timeless | but, mailto:user probably won't do the right thing | 16:46 |
| blkhawk[work] | how can one forsee that this action is non.rreversible | 16:46 |
| timeless | inz/db48x: please read the POD (line 1814) | 16:47 |
| timeless | it clearly says email, no? | 16:47 |
| db48x | yea, that's what my code does | 16:47 |
| inz | timeless, it indeed does | 16:47 |
| timeless | so am I right in being at least a bit confused? :( | 16:47 |
| db48x | if $self->name is true, it returns "$self->name <$self->login>", otherwise it just returns $self->login | 16:48 |
| timeless | db48x: yes, i can read the code | 16:48 |
| timeless | and i can read the comment | 16:48 |
| timeless | and i can read the POD | 16:48 |
| timeless | and they don't agree :) | 16:48 |
| db48x | http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla/source/Bugzilla/User.pm#1800 | 16:48 |
| timeless | i also know the theoretical use of this is mostly according to the POD | 16:48 |
| timeless | db48x: yeah, i think that's the root bug :) | 16:48 |
| db48x | sure | 16:49 |
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| db48x | timeless: so when do you only end up with mailto:user instead of mailto:user@example.com? | 16:52 |
| timeless | db48x: well, at least in code i'm about to write :) | 16:52 |
| timeless | not sure about elsewhere | 16:52 |
| db48x | heh | 16:52 |
| timeless | how often have you been to sites that use that param? :) | 16:52 |
| db48x | what are you changing? | 16:52 |
| timeless | 215210 | 16:53 |
| db48x | ah | 16:54 |
| * timeless frowns | 16:55 | |
| db48x | so, how often do you use the maemo desktop in scratchbox? | 16:55 |
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| trevarthan | hey disq: I got your patch. I'm really excited about it, but I can't look at it just now. I've got a lot of paid work to do today. I'll get to it ASAP. Hopefully after noon EST. Thanks for the hard work! | 16:58 |
| timeless | db48x: http://webwizardry.net/~timeless/215210/ | 16:59 |
| timeless | s{/$}{} | 16:59 |
| db48x | cool | 17:01 |
| timeless | no clue if it actually works or anything | 17:01 |
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| db48x | look ok | 17:03 |
| blkhawk[work] | ok I think i found a way to fix it | 17:03 |
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| blkhawk[work] | however a small problem | 17:03 |
| blkhawk[work] | the file i need to fix it doesn't run | 17:03 |
| blkhawk[work] | it always says "file not found" | 17:03 |
| blkhawk[work] | none of the execurable elf binaerys work | 17:04 |
| blkhawk[work] | they all just cause a "file not found error" | 17:04 |
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| blkhawk[work] | any idea | 17:04 |
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| blkhawk[work] | i use tab compleation | 17:04 |
| blkhawk[work] | and i am very sure i have the right files | 17:05 |
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| blkhawk[work] | everything is executable too | 17:05 |
| disq | trevarthan: hey, ok :) | 17:07 |
| blkhawk[work] | or i could just flash it and hope for the best :( | 17:07 |
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| db48x | hrm | 17:11 |
| db48x | now this thing runs, but nothing shows up in the X server | 17:11 |
| timeless | heh | 17:11 |
| * timeless sighs | 17:12 | |
| timeless | gforge is so stupid | 17:12 |
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| timeless | Update Administrate | 17:12 |
| timeless | [sic] | 17:12 |
| db48x | heh | 17:12 |
| db48x | ok, if I run TestGtkEmbed, the ui shows up | 17:12 |
| db48x | or most of it does | 17:12 |
| * timeless doesn't really feel like filing bugs about FEnglish or equivalent in GForge | 17:12 | |
| timeless | heh | 17:13 |
| db48x | oop | 17:13 |
| db48x | s | 17:13 |
| timeless | iirc by default you don't have a page loaded | 17:13 |
| timeless | load about:Blank ? | 17:13 |
| db48x | I minimized it, and now I'm back to an empty X window | 17:13 |
| Ceg | wats a good website for 770 apps? | 17:13 |
| db48x | it won't load anything | 17:13 |
| timeless | db48x: including data: urls? | 17:13 |
| db48x | well, it loads something if I go to File -> Test Stream | 17:14 |
| timeless | on average networking in scratchbox is busted :) | 17:14 |
| timeless | i stick w/ about:, data:, javascript: before i try file:, http: | 17:14 |
| db48x | about:blank didn't work | 17:14 |
| alterego | Hmm .. So the python maemo bindings aren't actually complete bindings. | 17:14 |
| db48x | I was typing a data url, but I hit something and now it dissapeared :) | 17:14 |
| * alterego wonders if he's doing too much. | 17:15 | |
| timeless | alterego: you sound greedy :) | 17:15 |
| db48x | I'm at the desktop, but with no menu, title or whatever it's called on the left hand side | 17:15 |
| timeless | db48x: oh right, you have access to a full world, right? | 17:15 |
| alterego | I was just curious. I'm working on Ruby-Maemo :P | 17:15 |
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| * timeless tries to remember the right apt-get world magic | 17:15 | |
| db48x | timeless: I suppose | 17:15 |
| db48x | I think the urlbar is just broken | 17:16 |
| blkhawk[work] | what mtdblock is the initfs? | 17:17 |
| db48x | http://db48x.net/db48x.net/temp | 17:17 |
| db48x | Screenshot-95.png | 17:17 |
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| timeless | pretty | 17:20 |
| timeless | is Hi there from stream? | 17:21 |
| db48x | yea | 17:21 |
| timeless | your url is corrupt btw :) | 17:21 |
| db48x | looks ok to me | 17:21 |
| timeless | db48x.net/db48x.net ? | 17:22 |
| db48x | oh, sorry | 17:22 |
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| timeless | are you using <enter> or <return>? | 17:22 |
| db48x | ah, enter of course | 17:22 |
| gomiam | you know something is wrong when you need to start stopping applications to run a damned aircrack (on Windows) | 17:23 |
| gomiam | in order to free enough memory | 17:23 |
| timeless | err | 17:23 |
| timeless | you don't let windows manage its own vm? | 17:23 |
| inz | gomiam, you know something is wrong ... on windows | 17:23 |
| gomiam | timeless: no. Fragmentation is a bitch :-D | 17:24 |
| db48x | timeless: what's that extra box in Screenshot-96.png? | 17:24 |
| db48x | also, the left hand bit started working at some point | 17:25 |
| gomiam | anyway it doesn't really matter. I am still unable to break that damned key :-D | 17:25 |
| * gomiam bashes head repeatedly against wall | 17:25 | |
| timeless | the loading indicator? | 17:25 |
| timeless | i presume you mean over about: | 17:25 |
| db48x | ah, it's gone away now | 17:25 |
| db48x | yea | 17:25 |
| guardian | is it possible to have translucent widgets in gtk ? | 17:25 |
| timeless | yes, we're required to show progress messages | 17:25 |
| timeless | guardian: yes | 17:25 |
| blkhawk[work] | is there a full hardwarelisting of the n770 somewhere? | 17:25 |
| guardian | timeless: how ? | 17:26 |
| blkhawk[work] | like what hardware and devices are exactly present? | 17:26 |
| timeless | guardian: i don't really care :) | 17:26 |
| guardian | timeless: thanx for the help ! :) | 17:26 |
| db48x | doh | 17:26 |
| db48x | I forgot, TestGtkEmbed doesn't have type ahead find | 17:26 |
| timeless | heh | 17:27 |
| pupnik | i'm so lazy in irc, i want word auto-completion to include the last few hundred words appearing in the chat screen | 17:27 |
| pupnik | so i could type TestG[TAB] | 17:27 |
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| timeless | heh | 17:27 |
| db48x | pupnik: yea, that'd be cool | 17:27 |
| pupnik | ooh patent! | 17:28 |
| gomiam | heh :-D | 17:28 |
| gomiam | not here in Spain | 17:28 |
| timeless | pupnik: including the last 50 spelling errors/typos? | 17:28 |
| pupnik | sure just tab through the list of matching words | 17:28 |
| db48x | hrm | 17:28 |
| db48x | I can load sites by ip address anyway | 17:29 |
| timeless | yeah, you have to fix /etc/resolv.conf or whatever | 17:29 |
| db48x | where does that file come from? | 17:29 |
| db48x | the one in my scratchbox is ok | 17:29 |
| timeless | i thought we fixed it last week ;) | 17:30 |
| timeless | so, you can't resolve names? | 17:30 |
| guardian | outside scratchbox session, in /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf remove the mdsn4 stuff | 17:30 |
| db48x | nope | 17:30 |
| guardian | ah no | 17:30 |
| guardian | it's not resolv.conf | 17:30 |
| guardian | outside scratchbox session, in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf remove the mdsn4 stuff | 17:30 |
| db48x | nsswitch.conf, yea | 17:30 |
| db48x | but I've already done that | 17:30 |
| db48x | I can resolve names in scratchbox | 17:30 |
| db48x | http://db48x.net/temp/Screenshot-97.png | 17:32 |
| blkhawk[work] | is the bootloader in any way touched when updating the OS version? | 17:32 |
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| * timeless thinks it is | 17:32 | |
| db48x | you can see that that's loading stuff from the net, but not by name | 17:32 |
| blkhawk[work] | or can i upload the parts of the seperatly? | 17:32 |
| timeless | i think they're relatively independent | 17:32 |
| timeless | but generally all modules are patched | 17:32 |
| blkhawk[work] | so if i load kernel, initfs and root image i am good? | 17:33 |
| gomiam | erm... what was required to compile cx3110x ? | 17:33 |
| db48x | heh tablet-browser just segfaults | 17:36 |
| blkhawk[work] | so is it absolutely nesseary to load the xloader flash in order to upgrade the os? | 17:36 |
| blkhawk[work] | like it is for LiLo ;) | 17:36 |
| gomiam | heh, I have a 2.6.18 kernel, but there seems to be no sources for it | 17:39 |
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| gomiam | can anybody give me a hint about where can I find them? | 17:39 |
| Ceg | can someone please helpe me | 17:42 |
| gomiam | bleah, skipped the tutorial part where it was specified :-D | 17:42 |
| db48x | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.18.tar.bz2 | 17:42 |
| gomiam | Ceg, as the channel topic says "Good questions deserve better answers" | 17:43 |
| gomiam | if you state your problem correctly you may get an answer | 17:43 |
| Ceg | am trying to install python on my 770 but i keep gettings files like python2.5-runtime.install and i don't have aclue wat i need to do with it | 17:43 |
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| gomiam | ok | 17:43 |
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| gomiam | python2.5-runtime.install is a Maemo autoinstaller file | 17:43 |
| eugene | gomiam: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/6172.html see the part where i talk about getting the kernel source code | 17:44 |
| Ceg | ok so how do i use it or how do i install ? | 17:44 |
| gomiam | thanks again eugene, I forgot you had that there too. I'm following the maemo.org kernel guide, anyway | 17:44 |
| gomiam | you just "click" on it | 17:44 |
| gomiam | it should install automatically | 17:45 |
| gomiam | or at least launch the Package Manager | 17:45 |
| eugene | gomiam: if in doubt, see my blog :P | 17:45 |
| Ceg | yeah does that but doesn't do anything after than | 17:45 |
| Ceg | :\ | 17:45 |
| gomiam | does it launch the application manager? | 17:45 |
| Ceg | yes | 17:46 |
| gomiam | mmm... ok | 17:46 |
| gomiam | it might take a while for the app manager to respond, though, so you may have closed it too soon | 17:46 |
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| blkhawk[work] | any idea how to dump the current kernel off a nokia 770? | 17:46 |
| Ceg | let me try it again | 17:47 |
| gomiam | if you didn't, you may want to check the available applications after the application manager starts and see if you find python2.5 in the list. | 17:47 |
| gomiam | I have a N800, but I don't remember it being too whiney about installing python | 17:48 |
| gomiam | meanwhile, I'll try to find the python2.5 repository | 17:48 |
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| gomiam | Ceg do you have repository.maemo.org in your application manager's list? | 17:49 |
| guardian | i'm logging messages with g_debug() macro. is there a way to disable logging ? i would like to control that at compile time, and if enabled at compile time, i would like to be able to also control it at runtime | 17:50 |
| gomiam | s/list/repositories/ | 17:50 |
| infobot | gomiam meant: Ceg do you have repository.maemo.org in your application manager's repositories? | 17:50 |
| Ceg | its ok now its fixed :) | 17:50 |
| gomiam | good | 17:50 |
| gomiam | :-D | 17:50 |
| Ceg | u can get minimo for the 77o os 2006 right? | 17:50 |
| gomiam | computers, the only field of engineering where, if something doesn't work, you try again and again in the same exact way until it usually does :-D | 17:51 |
| gomiam | Ceg: no idea | 17:51 |
| gomiam | omg, I'm certainly dense today | 17:52 |
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| gomiam | time to install the 2.6.18 kernel source (also known as package kernel-source-rx-34) :-/ | 17:53 |
| pupnik | zoddtd: "I'm going to take the first of many small steps on getting a dynarec working for ARM based DOSBox " | 17:53 |
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| pupnik | \p/ | 17:53 |
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| killfill | hey anyone uses a headset?.. | 17:57 |
| killfill | im using the latesr OS2007. the repos i should use is "bora" or "mistral"? | 17:58 |
| joshin | Ceg: yes. The 2007 build works fine on 2006 | 17:58 |
| * killfill with so much qestions today..:P | 17:58 | |
| joshin | killfill: bora | 17:58 |
| killfill | ok | 17:59 |
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| * joshin is feeling stupid... He can't figure out why he isn't able to boot from his mmc card (mmcblk0p4) despite having followed the directions perfectly. | 17:59 | |
| joshin | I would kill to know what the error is. Grrr... | 18:00 |
| joshin | "Boot from MMC4 failed, booting from flash" - Fine, why? | 18:02 |
| gomiam | MMC4? | 18:02 |
| gomiam | shouldn't that be MMC1 or MMC2? | 18:02 |
| joshin | 4th partition on the MMC drive. N770 | 18:02 |
| joshin | /dev/mmcblk0p4 | 18:03 |
| gomiam | mmm... ok. | 18:03 |
| gomiam | so many partitions :-) | 18:03 |
| joshin | Partion 1 - Fat16 for data, Partition 2 - swap space, Partition 3 - Angstrom test, Partition 4 - Maemo | 18:04 |
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| blkhawk[work] | ok - is there any reason why elf executables from os2006 would absolutely refuse to run on os 2005? | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | different ABI | 18:09 |
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| blkhawk[work] | in fact creating a "file not found error"? | 18:09 |
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| blkhawk[work] | mgedmin: that means? | 18:09 |
| * mgedmin is looking up the link | 18:09 | |
| k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: ping | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | blkhawk[work]: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | athough that's probably a bit too technical | 18:10 |
| trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: yo | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | in short, the calling conventions are different, so applications built on OS2006 cannot use system libraries (including the dynamic linker) from OS2005 | 18:10 |
| blkhawk[work] | crap | 18:10 |
| blkhawk[work] | ya | 18:10 |
| k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: have you tried evas? | 18:11 |
| blkhawk[work] | I need a specific app to be able to rescue my initfs | 18:11 |
| k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: I'm about to release a new version with minor fixes I've done | 18:11 |
| timeless | calling conventions, heh | 18:11 |
| trevarthan | not yet. I probably won't until after I make a release of kagu either. | 18:11 |
| timeless | understatement | 18:11 |
| blkhawk[work] | seems like i am sol | 18:11 |
| timeless | the differences between 2005 and 2006 are like those between hebrew and japanese | 18:11 |
| trevarthan | disq: What would you like the commit log to say for your patch? | 18:11 |
| blkhawk[work] | thatnks for the analogy | 18:11 |
| timeless | things aren't written in the same direction and have no matching shape | 18:11 |
| blkhawk[work] | dio you know if the boootloaders are different too? | 18:12 |
| trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: I will try it though. It'll just be a while. | 18:12 |
| timeless | they would be | 18:12 |
| timeless | the source code could be similar | 18:12 |
| timeless | but the binaries won't be | 18:12 |
| k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: ok | 18:12 |
| blkhawk[work] | timeless: how could that be - wouldn't the bootloader come beffore any initalization? | 18:13 |
| blkhawk[work] | this is important for me | 18:13 |
| * timeless ponders | 18:13 | |
| blkhawk[work] | because this device just might not be resxuable witrha normal firmware | 18:13 |
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| timeless | i think it depends on which piece is responsible for setting up the arm mode | 18:13 |
| * blkhawk[work] gets the .bin images and compares the files | 18:13 | |
| timeless | i'd kinda expect that to be in the bootloader | 18:13 |
| pupnik | Cyclone core can be used in MAME btw | 18:14 |
| blkhawk[work] | do you know how to dump the bootloader? | 18:14 |
| pupnik | "there were some issues with the wrapper code in between the MAME core and Cyclone, not with Cyclone itself. " - Notaz | 18:14 |
| timeless | not offhand, i'm a browser guy | 18:14 |
| blkhawk[work] | thanks for the help | 18:14 |
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| * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch | 18:16 | |
| timeless | i don't suuppose anyone here recognizes izhereal | 18:17 |
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| timeless | oh, heh, accoutn is two weeks old | 18:17 |
| Hyperion|n800 | has there been anyone trying to get google maps mobile working on the n800? | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | The Java ME application? | 18:18 |
| trevarthan | disq: I think it might be worthwhile to do a quick partial scan for files, getting a full list of them without actually reading any id3 tags (using the bouncing progress bar the whole time), then do a second pass with a non-bouncing progress bar while we scan the actual id3 tags. What do you think? | 18:18 |
| Hyperion|n800 | ya basically thats what it ammoints to | 18:19 |
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| Jaffa | Hyperion|n800: there's no working Java ME, so... no. | 18:20 |
| blkhawk[work] | yay | 18:20 |
| blkhawk[work] | the bootloaders are the same! that means i can flash | 18:21 |
| Hyperion|n800 | heh, ok, so much for java being "universal" | 18:21 |
| blkhawk[work] | not between 2005 and 2006 but inbetween the 2005 releases | 18:21 |
| Hyperion|n800 | well, there are still some bugs in the new moz engine, but its hella better than opera | 18:23 |
| * blkhawk[work] disolves into a puddle on the floor | 18:23 | |
| timeless | ok, someone needs to remind me how sed works :) | 18:23 |
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| derf | sed -e 's/foo/bar/' | 18:23 |
| Jaffa | timeless: echo "foo" | sed -e 's/foo/bar/' | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | Snap | 18:24 |
| timeless | cat foo | sed -e 's/1/2/' > foo | 18:24 |
| blkhawk[work] | guys wish me luck! | 18:24 |
| timeless | ? | 18:24 |
| timeless | :) | 18:24 |
| derf | I'm pretty sure piping the file back to itself is a bad idea. | 18:24 |
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| * timeless too :) | 18:25 | |
| Jaffa | It's a catastrophically bad idea. Use Perl for that: | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | perl -pi~ -e 's/1/2/' foo | 18:25 |
| timeless | perl doesn't ship w/ 770/n800 | 18:25 |
| timeless | there's a reason this is sed | 18:25 |
| timeless | sed -i -e seems to work in centos | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | Perl's shipped with at least one IT OS release. | 18:26 |
| timeless | does it work in n800? | 18:26 |
| timeless | is not | 18:26 |
| killfill | things in garage.meamo.org are not avaible form a repo, are they? | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | timeless: "perl -V" works exactly as expected on the v4.2007... released the other week. | 18:27 |
| timeless | well that doesn't help me | 18:27 |
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| timeless | sh: perl: not found | 18:27 |
| db48x | timeless: what good are these debian dbg packages? | 18:27 |
| timeless | so says scratchbox | 18:27 |
| timeless | db48x: they're good for corrupting your builds | 18:27 |
| db48x | ah, ok | 18:27 |
| timeless | some dbgs are -g versions of files | 18:28 |
| * db48x writes that down | 18:28 | |
| timeless | and some or stripping bits | 18:28 |
| timeless | and you have to look at some debian/policy or similar file to understand which | 18:28 |
| db48x | tablet-browser is crashing in libbrowsereal | 18:28 |
| timeless | the microb related stuff in theory is -g style | 18:28 |
| timeless | but use file very carefully before you try to use them | 18:29 |
| timeless | somethinig like: | 18:29 |
| timeless | cd /usr/lib | 18:29 |
| timeless | mv microb-engine microb-engine.good | 18:29 |
| timeless | cp -r microb-engine.evil | 18:29 |
| timeless | ln -s microb-engine.evil microb-engine | 18:29 |
| timeless | cd microb-engine | 18:29 |
| sp3000 | timeless: yeah sed -i works | 18:29 |
| timeless | then from here you want to copy or symlink from/to the dbg package files | 18:30 |
| timeless | sp3000: http://webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 | 18:31 |
| db48x | ah, it doesn't check to see if load_engine_by_name is successful or not | 18:32 |
| pupnik | cool, ibm 701c tft thinkpad with folding keyboard on ebay for 15 euro :P | 18:32 |
| timeless | db48x: "oops' :) | 18:32 |
| timeless | not at all surprising of course :) | 18:32 |
| db48x | plus it tries to load opera by default | 18:32 |
| db48x | :) | 18:32 |
| Ceg | u know when u install any apps on ther 770 does it have to go on ther 770 and not the memeoy card ? | 18:33 |
| sp3000 | timeless: fun | 18:33 |
| timeless | ceg: packages kinda suck | 18:33 |
| pupnik | Ceg: executeables have to go onto the internal flash, data files can go onto memory card | 18:33 |
| timeless | they insist on installing in cannonical places on average | 18:33 |
| Ceg | oh right | 18:33 |
| timeless | you could try using dpkg to force things into non standard places | 18:34 |
| timeless | or you could violate the file system by establishing symlinks | 18:34 |
| timeless | but both are very bad ideas | 18:34 |
| blkhawk[work] | :( | 18:34 |
| Ceg | oh | 18:34 |
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| blkhawk[work] | I bricked it | 18:34 |
| pupnik | :( | 18:34 |
| Ceg | so its got to go on the internal memory then | 18:34 |
| Ceg | :| | 18:34 |
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| timeless | for the n800 there's an internal mmc slot which in theory you don't remove that card often | 18:34 |
| timeless | hrm, that wasn't English | 18:35 |
| ||cw | when you plug in the usb it "removes" the card and attaches it to the host, and that can cause serious problems | 18:35 |
| timeless | you can disable usbhost :) | 18:35 |
| Ceg | ok is there anyway i can uninstall any of the standed apps then ? | 18:36 |
| timeless | ceg: use the red pill | 18:36 |
| Ceg | is it called red pill or the red pill? | 18:36 |
| timeless | the "red pill" | 18:36 |
| timeless | and it officially doesn't exist | 18:36 |
| pupnik | Ceg, after i remove some themes and unneeded media off the flash, i never have problems filling the internal 'drive' | 18:36 |
| pupnik | er... i never fill it | 18:37 |
| gomiam | Ceg: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 18:37 |
| Ceg | thanks | 18:37 |
| Ceg | pupnik how did u remove them files ? | 18:37 |
| Ceg | :) | 18:37 |
| pupnik | Ceg, there is some unneeded stuff in /usr/share and in /home/user | 18:37 |
| Ceg | damn am a n00b :| | 18:38 |
| timeless | gomaim: there's a spelling error in that page | 18:38 |
| Ceg | wats that all about :P | 18:38 |
| blkhawk[work] | I take it back kernel + initrd did the trick | 18:38 |
| timeless | "chosing" *cough* | 18:38 |
| Ceg | i mean how can i edit and delte the crap in there? | 18:38 |
| pupnik | Ceg, if you're not experienced in unix/linux then use application manager to uninstall programs and file manager to remove files | 18:39 |
| Ceg | ok but will i be able to uninstall the normal crappy apps ? | 18:39 |
| pupnik | let me see - removing chess now | 18:40 |
| * alterego is about 1/2 way through ruby hildon bindings. | 18:40 | |
| alterego | It's already more complete than Python-Maemo :D | 18:40 |
| Veggen | alterego: yesterday it was "finished by tomorrow" ? ;) | 18:41 |
| Veggen | (or such) | 18:41 |
| timeless | why can't i edit that page? | 18:41 |
| alterego | Yes, I'll be finished by this evening. Well, the hildon bindings. Still need to do osso. | 18:41 |
| Veggen | ok. | 18:41 |
| pupnik | oh, you can't remove the ones that came with the OS from app manager in normal mode | 18:41 |
| Ceg | but can it be done another way which is like safe for me to for me todo ? | 18:42 |
| pupnik | holy crap, vim is 19 MB | 18:42 |
| alterego | Shocker. | 18:42 |
| Ceg | vim= wat? | 18:42 |
| derf | pupnik: And well worth it! | 18:42 |
| alterego | I think it's like notepad for Windows. | 18:43 |
| lmoura | alterego, good luck with the DBus stuff :) | 18:43 |
| alterego | lmoura, dbus is done. | 18:43 |
| pupnik | well you can free 3.3MB by removing the spellchecker | 18:43 |
| timeless | ceg: application manager is a lot safer than alternatives | 18:43 |
| timeless | but note that there isn't really an undo | 18:44 |
| lmoura | alterego, I mean working with Dbus and osso-conic at the same time | 18:44 |
| alterego | dbus, gconf, gnomevfs is already done. | 18:44 |
| timeless | you can't put things back after you remove them | 18:44 |
| alterego | lmoura, right. Well, I'll cross that bridge .. :) | 18:44 |
| Ceg | right ok | 18:44 |
| Ceg | so my best option is not to do it? | 18:44 |
| derf | timeless: Yes, I learned the hard way not to remove dnsmasq. | 18:44 |
| timeless | are you planning on building mozilla firefox on your device? | 18:44 |
| lmoura | alterego, I was going crazy while making the python bindings for ConIC. Due to the old dbus version (0.61...) there are some problems while using dbus with ConIC | 18:45 |
| timeless | or openoffice? | 18:45 |
| pupnik | Ceg, i've got tons of games installed, and i'm only using 82.2M out of 123.5M with 41.3M free (67% usage) | 18:45 |
| Ceg | i would like to but i don't have clue how to | 18:45 |
| Ceg | lol | 18:45 |
| timeless | exactly how do you plan to run out of space? | 18:45 |
| timeless | media files belong on mmcs :) | 18:45 |
| Ceg | right so my best option is to leave it for now and see how i get on with the space? | 18:46 |
| db48x | yay | 18:46 |
| db48x | http://db48x.net/temp/Screenshot-98.png | 18:47 |
| Ceg | oh ok :) | 18:47 |
| lmoura | alterego, The problem was the the dbus connection used in the bindings was somehow conflicting with the connection used to setup the ConIC. So I had to create one connection manually just for the binding | 18:47 |
| lmoura | alterego, anyway, it's nice to see that progress in Ruby (My first dinamic language, :) | 18:47 |
| timeless | congrats | 18:48 |
| timeless | by why does it say romaxa? | 18:48 |
| eugene | db48x: for a moment, i thought you ran vmware on the device | 18:48 |
| pupnik | db48x: what windowmanager is that? the fonts are really nicely rendered | 18:48 |
| db48x | eugene: heh | 18:48 |
| db48x | pupnik: on my main computer? metacity, I think | 18:48 |
| timeless | the nested one is kubuntu, no? | 18:49 |
| db48x | yes | 18:49 |
| alterego | :) | 18:49 |
| db48x | no, that's gnome too | 18:49 |
| timeless | and the ugly one matchbox | 18:49 |
| alterego | lmoura, I've got big plans for Ruby-Maemo :) | 18:49 |
| db48x | yea, it's gnome | 18:49 |
| Jaffa | db48x: is that an OS 2006 build for 770 owners? | 18:49 |
| timeless | jaffa; hardly | 18:50 |
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| db48x | timeless: dunno why it says romaxa | 18:50 |
| db48x | Jaffa: no, it's just running in scratchbox | 18:51 |
| lmoura | alterego, are you using some kind of code generation tool? Any page about it? | 18:51 |
| alterego | No, and no. | 18:51 |
| Ceg | ok is there anyway i can change how the like the main window(desktop thing) looks ? | 18:51 |
| alterego | I was using a little auto gen ruby script I wrote, but dropped that for a template. | 18:51 |
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| timeless | ceg: you mean other than using the menu in the home screen and switching themes? | 18:52 |
| db48x | ooh | 18:52 |
| Ceg | yep | 18:52 |
| timeless | you can also do the same from control panel.. | 18:52 |
| db48x | pipelining defaults to true | 18:52 |
| alterego | lmoura, Once I've finished Hildon bindings and tested it a bit. I'll work out how to release a package and announce it on the maemo-developers list. | 18:53 |
| Ceg | oh ok | 18:53 |
| lmoura | alterego, nice | 18:53 |
| timeless | wah, winembed can't save files | 18:53 |
| Ceg | aand would i be able to add my own shortcuts to apps i wanna use? | 18:53 |
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| killfill | hey.. there is no icon put in the menu for the mozilla browser?..:S | 18:55 |
| timeless | killfill: um | 18:55 |
| timeless | there's no menu item for it either | 18:55 |
| pupnik | Ceg, it doesn't use shortcuts like a windows desktop | 18:55 |
| timeless | it replaces opera as the engine for "Web" | 18:55 |
| killfill | Aah | 18:55 |
| Ceg | oh | 18:55 |
| timeless | pupnik: err | 18:55 |
| timeless | .lnk / .pif files are fairly close to .desktop files | 18:56 |
| Ceg | so | 18:56 |
| Ceg | how did this person do this then https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1244/screenshot-idea-770.jpg | 18:56 |
| Ceg | ? | 18:56 |
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| pupnik | "idea" is pretty new, written by some dude. It's not part of OS | 18:57 |
| timeless | doesn't work well w/ the curvy backgrounds nokia shipped w/ the 770 ;:) | 18:59 |
| db48x | so, all I need to do is crack the dns issue | 19:00 |
| pupnik | nokias idea was to use that space for 'applets' like a clock, rss reader, internet radio etc | 19:00 |
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| pupnik | btw 'internet radio' applet in it2007he gives me 'file format not supported' | 19:03 |
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| db48x | aahh | 19:04 |
| db48x | turns out my /etc/resolve.conf was malformed :P | 19:04 |
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| killfill | what was that program that showed the wifi status.. | 19:13 |
| killfill | i.e. ip and signal | 19:13 |
| Ceg | can someone tell me how long it takes a 770 to change up? | 19:13 |
| ||cw | what's change up | 19:13 |
| Ceg | charge up i mean | 19:14 |
| Ceg | lol | 19:14 |
| ||cw | heh, ok | 19:14 |
| ||cw | no idea, I just plug it in overnight | 19:14 |
| ||cw | maybe 80% in an hour or soemthing | 19:15 |
| ||cw | it does fast charge if it is powered on, but only trickle charge if off | 19:15 |
| Ceg | really | 19:15 |
| Ceg | that odd | 19:15 |
| Ceg | lol | 19:15 |
| ||cw | odd? | 19:16 |
| ||cw | it's typical | 19:16 |
| Ceg | doesn't matter | 19:16 |
| Ceg | i thought it might be the other way around | 19:16 |
| ||cw | the monitoring and logic required to switch from fast charge to trickle before the battery explodes is too expensive to embed on a chip | 19:17 |
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| Ceg | oh ok :) | 19:18 |
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| sp3000 | ||cw: speculating? | 19:19 |
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| ||cw | generalizing | 19:19 |
| gla55_ | it boots up some parts if you plug it to charger.. | 19:19 |
| gla55_ | when it's off | 19:19 |
| Ceg | oh is this true the usb port is also a charger aswell :O ? | 19:19 |
| sp3000 | afaiui it starts up to charge, how much ui it shows you is another thing | 19:20 |
| gla55_ | nokias phones do the same thing | 19:20 |
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| Ceg | nice | 19:20 |
| Ceg | didn't know that | 19:20 |
| Juhaz | no, the usb port is not charger | 19:21 |
| sp3000 | Ceg: no usb charging | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | it's a bit scary to think that if the software crashes when the n800 is plugged in, the battery may explode | 19:21 |
| timeless | mgedmin: how is this different from a dell laptop | 19:22 |
| timeless | or any of the dozen of other laptop vendors w/ exploding batteries? | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | with dell and friends it's the hardware's fault | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | as a programmer I trust hardware more than I trust software :) | 19:23 |
| ||cw | mgedmin: on other devises that do this, the charging circuit does know when the software is dead and drops back to trickle | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | oh, smart | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | thanks, ||cw | 19:23 |
| timeless | mgedmin: you know the nice stories about the xray machines right? :) | 19:23 |
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| blkhawk | lo | 19:28 |
| pupnik | it2007he repos, what... a.. mess... | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | timeless: no, what stories? | 19:31 |
| killfill | hey guys.. in /proc/bus/input/devices, i can see: N: Name="retu-headset" S: Sysfs=/class/input/input1 H: Handlers=kbd event1 | 19:32 |
| timeless | http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib/Therac_25/Therac_1.html | 19:32 |
| killfill | thats the bt headset im connected to right?.. | 19:33 |
| killfill | what could i try to do to enable it?.. | 19:33 |
| alterego | Hmm .. Think I'm gonna have to remodel HildonNote .. | 19:33 |
| db48x | oh, yea. I remember that | 19:33 |
| alterego | HildonNote? | 19:34 |
| killfill | cat /sys/class/input/input1/capabilities/snd | 19:34 |
| killfill | 0 | 19:34 |
| killfill | :S | 19:34 |
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| procto | with what ease can ARM-compiled debian packages be installed on the n800? | 19:38 |
| procto | i.e. do they need some conversion? | 19:38 |
| procto | from what I saw in some resources, most of the conversion process is hildonizing and compiling for ARM | 19:39 |
| pupnik | mu | 19:39 |
| procto | pupnik: howdy | 19:39 |
| pupnik | "mu" is zen-speak for "I unask the question" | 19:39 |
| procto | <-Michae1 | 19:39 |
| procto | pupnik: I know | 19:39 |
| pupnik | ah hi | 19:39 |
| procto | I actually have the seal script for mu right here on my desk at work | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | procto: No ease at all if you don't have source, as most ARM-compiled Debian packages are for a different ABI. | 19:40 |
| procto | Jaffa: ah | 19:40 |
| pupnik | debian packages can be compiled in scratchbox to create armel binaries | 19:41 |
| Ceg | is there any other good 770 app sites apart from this 1? | 19:41 |
| procto | hmm | 19:43 |
| procto | pupnik: feel like trying to run something for me? | 19:45 |
| procto | pupnik: my n800 is out for delivery :> | 19:45 |
| procto | pupnik: namely, I want to know if MilkyTracker can run without recompiling (since it's not opensource) | 19:45 |
| keesj | jaffa but the 3.2 sbox packages where real debian packages not? | 19:50 |
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| keesj | ther is so much news on maemo the last week i can not keep up.it's a real time killer :p | 19:52 |
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| pupnik | procto: what app. I have a 770 | 19:52 |
| `0660 | i wonder who packages adblock first :) | 19:59 |
| timeless | heh | 19:59 |
| timeless | personally i expect floppymoose's css to be packaged sooner | 19:59 |
| timeless | it's a lot easier | 19:59 |
| Jaffa | `0660: I would if I wasn't going to the cinema tonight | 19:59 |
| timeless | i presume adblock has some ui elements | 20:00 |
| timeless | and ui elements are problematic as there's virtually no ui support | 20:00 |
| `0660 | yeah :/ | 20:00 |
| `0660 | though it would be enough if it would load the block list from a fixed location | 20:00 |
| Jaffa | timeless: floppymoose's CSS doesn't need to be packaged, just dropped in the right place | 20:02 |
| Jaffa | (AIUI you've still got userContent.css support) | 20:03 |
| timeless | right | 20:03 |
| timeless | but how does a normal user do that? | 20:03 |
| timeless | keep in mind that file manager won't show ~/.mozilla/ | 20:03 |
| timeless | it's too helpful :) | 20:03 |
| Jaffa | I wouldn't want packages touching userContent.css - too much possibility of breakage | 20:04 |
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| * timeless nods | 20:05 | |
| timeless | not quite sure how to deal w/ it | 20:05 |
| timeless | but it seems more useful as a simple start problem | 20:05 |
| * timeless ponder | 20:05 | |
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| tauren_ | i can't tell from the pictures of the N770, but does it have one of those hooks on the case to put a security strap through? | 20:48 |
| keesj | no. | 20:50 |
| tauren_ | thanks | 20:51 |
| keesj | against falling or stealing? | 20:51 |
| tauren_ | stealing | 20:51 |
| tauren_ | this would be used in a public place, not for personal use | 20:51 |
| tauren_ | kind of like a personal mini in-store kiosk | 20:52 |
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| tauren_ | does the touch screen of the N770/N800 respond well to finger touches, or only stylus? If I created an interface with big buttons, would using a finger work? | 20:57 |
| timeless | tauren_: not that it's worth much, but the 770 doesn't have an "N" in its name | 20:58 |
| tauren_ | oops. thanks for pointing that out. | 20:58 |
| timeless | minus bugs it's very good w/ fingers/thumbs | 20:58 |
| tauren_ | ok, good. | 20:59 |
| timeless | the n800 had some issues over time, the 4.2007-26 (?) release is supposed to deal w/ those bugs | 20:59 |
| timeless | note that for the n800 current releases there's a pressure field or something as part of the xevent (?) | 20:59 |
| tauren_ | i'll get one then and see if i can figure out how to make it boot straight into a web browser and not let the user do anything else. | 20:59 |
| timeless | for the 770 you get a different button press if it recognizes a "Thumb" | 21:00 |
| timeless | (approximately) | 21:00 |
| tauren_ | hmmm... that's interesting. | 21:00 |
| timeless | sorry, consistency isn't a strong point | 21:00 |
| tauren_ | so it can sort of tell the difference between a stylus touch and a thumb touch? | 21:00 |
| timeless | w/ fairly high accuracy yeah | 21:00 |
| tauren_ | cool | 21:01 |
| timeless | well, it got worse w/ 4.2007 to deal w/ cases where stylus wouldn't work at all | 21:01 |
| timeless | but i think you shouldn't know | 21:01 |
| tauren_ | shouldn't know what? | 21:02 |
| timeless | s/know/notice/ thoughto? | 21:02 |
| tauren_ | ok | 21:02 |
| tauren_ | i've googled and searched on maemo, but can't find any really good and definitive answers on how to create a "kiosk mode" for the 770/800. Is there some resource I"m not finding, or is it not possible? | 21:04 |
| tauren_ | i just want it to run the web browser only in full screen and not allow the user to do anything else. | 21:04 |
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| timeless | well, you would basically replace the home app, it shouldn't be too hard | 21:05 |
| timeless | the only big thing is that home is lifeguarded, so you'll have to make sure you do it right, otherwise your device will reboot a lot until it bricks to save it from continuously rebooting | 21:05 |
| timeless | i think that's right :) | 21:06 |
| keesj | tauren. i think that the real question is how to do that on a normal linux box . then learn to disable the watchdog | 21:06 |
| tauren_ | ok, thats good to hear. i don't have one yet but am 99% sure that I'll use it as my platform. Just trying to answer some questions in advance. | 21:06 |
| tauren_ | good point keesj | 21:06 |
| timeless | i wouldn't recommend disabling watchdog | 21:07 |
| tauren_ | the 770 is so cheap right now. is there any reason to go for the 800 instead if all i'm doing is running the web browser only? | 21:07 |
| timeless | you want the watchdog to watch over your kiosk app | 21:07 |
| timeless | i guarantee you no support from nokia if you buy 770s :) | 21:08 |
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| timeless | it's rare that you'd ever see me make any guarantee :) | 21:08 |
| tauren_ | so that's why its so cheap. nokia said "get rid of them..." :) | 21:08 |
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| timeless | fairly typical, yes. if you're planning a deployment and don't need a low grade camera or stereo speakers, yes, the 770s should do nicely | 21:09 |
| tauren_ | thanks timeless, very helpful info | 21:09 |
| timeless | note that you're probably going to get to build the browser yourself, and atm the browser doesn't come w/ ui source, so you might end up build ing a different one | 21:10 |
| tauren_ | doesn't it come with opera? and isn't there a mozila/minimo version for it? | 21:10 |
| tauren_ | oops, spelled that wrong. | 21:11 |
| timeless | 770 comes w/ opera8, n800 comes w/ opera8.5 | 21:11 |
| timeless | there was an old build of minimo for the 770, but i believe the people working on it stopped worrying about 770 | 21:11 |
| timeless | not certain but.. | 21:11 |
| tauren_ | do you know if it is hard to hide all toolbars, etc. and have browser in fullscreen always? I don't want users to be able to go anywhere except one website. | 21:11 |
| timeless | it's trivial w/ minimo, and if the browser ui is open sourced, that'd be trivial too | 21:12 |
| * sp3000 grumbles | 21:12 | |
| * sp3000 wants google reader's left pane to go hide | 21:12 | |
| tauren_ | hmm... why is the ui not os? | 21:13 |
| blkhawk | the ui isn#? | 21:14 |
| blkhawk | thought it was an x server | 21:15 |
| blkhawk | xepyr i think | 21:15 |
| tauren_ | referring to browser's ui | 21:15 |
| blkhawk | ah | 21:16 |
| tauren_ | oh yeah, another question. Can the 770 be charged while it is sitting in its case, or does the case cover the ports on the bottom? | 21:16 |
| timeless | tauren_: please don't ask. it's not necessarily a policy decision, it could be a pragmatic thing, it might appear tomorrow or a year from now, don't speculate, just be happy a browser appeared | 21:17 |
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| tauren_ | ok... ;) | 21:18 |
| tauren_ | i'm certainly not complaining, just curious... | 21:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | thoughtfix: ping | 21:21 |
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| Ceg | does anyone know of other good 770 sites apart from this 1 for apps ? | 21:31 |
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| rebroad | ok.. i have two questions today :) 1) where can i find a samba server for the N800 please and 2) Is it possible to query the battery life/charge from the command line? | 21:38 |
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| derf | The second I can answer in the affirmative. | 21:46 |
| X-Fade | timeless: poke poke... | 21:47 |
| timeless | poke | 21:48 |
| X-Fade | Ah :) | 21:48 |
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| * timeless nods | 21:48 | |
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| * timeless shrugs | 21:52 | |
| timeless | works well enough for me | 21:52 |
| timeless | oops, wrong window | 21:52 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: Did you still want me to test something? | 21:57 |
| timeless | not sure about test | 21:58 |
| timeless | http://webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 | 21:58 |
| timeless | has my notes for people silly enough to try to run microb on 3.2007-10 :^) | 21:58 |
| timeless | actually, half of it requires 4.2007 | 21:59 |
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| X-Fade | hehe, yeah that is tough.. I haven't had corruption on my MMC cards with the latest firmware, so it isn't a problem for me. | 22:02 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1175 I think you need to unhide the documentation section :) | 22:07 |
| timeless | eh?! | 22:07 |
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| X-Fade | Well, I don't see a documentation section for the browser project ;) | 22:08 |
| timeless | um, it's a link from the browser page | 22:08 |
| timeless | at least, i'm assuming that's what he means | 22:08 |
| timeless | maybe i'm wrong | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, for you project admins, it is :) | 22:09 |
| X-Fade | https://garage.maemo.org/docman/?group_id=107 | 22:10 |
| X-Fade | Error This project has turned off the Doc Manager | 22:10 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 22:11 |
| timeless | click Documentation | 22:11 |
| timeless | see 4 | 22:11 |
| X-Fade | Ah, the website itself :) Was looking on the garage project page. As the news is published there.. | 22:11 |
| timeless | how do i turn off comments on news items? | 22:11 |
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| timeless | i'm pissed that two people decided to use my news item to file bug reports | 22:12 |
| timeless | even though it clearly said use bugs.maemo.org | 22:12 |
| X-Fade | on garage or maemo.org? | 22:12 |
| timeless | garage | 22:12 |
| X-Fade | Not sure if you can control that 'feature'. | 22:12 |
| timeless | did i mention hating gforge every day i'm forced to use it? | 22:13 |
| timeless | how the **** do i enable doc admin? | 22:13 |
| * timeless gives up and promotes self to admin of project | 22:14 | |
| X-Fade | Hehe | 22:14 |
| timeless | so, i'm probably going to try to *delete* the trackers that it has | 22:15 |
| timeless | <br /> | 22:15 |
| timeless | <b>Warning</b>: Missing argument 9 for setup() in <b>/usr/lib/gforge/common/tracker/ArtifactFactory.class</b> on line <b>97</b><br /> | 22:15 |
| timeless | artifact_id | 22:15 |
| timeless | that's anice csv file | 22:15 |
| timeless | except um, last i checked csv files weren't supposed to contain xhtml | 22:16 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I don't have access on that box, so I can't help you there. | 22:17 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:22 |
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| user__ | Awesome bug on the new mozilla: after entering a password (where it asterisk-blanks) every text entry field after that will be asterisk-blanked, too | 22:24 |
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| X-Fade | user__: Hehe, nice one. Can you please file a bug for that? | 22:25 |
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| GAN800_ | Do some more testing after I get home from work. | 22:26 |
| X-Fade | GAN800_: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800 -> Browser (Mozilla engine) | 22:26 |
| timeless | x-fade: erm | 22:27 |
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| timeless | please see the bug where i wrote the detailed how to file a bug | 22:27 |
| timeless | and please give that out instead | 22:27 |
| X-Fade | timeless: url? | 22:27 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1672#c2 | 22:27 |
| timeless | note especially the bug filing link that i give is the one i want people to use | 22:28 |
| timeless | it'll prefill the component | 22:28 |
| timeless | but it will more importantly force them to think about their bug and hopefully file better bugs | 22:28 |
| GAN800_ | Cool, thanks. | 22:28 |
| timeless | x-fade: btw.... | 22:29 |
| timeless | we can't reproduce the set engine stuff | 22:29 |
| GAN800_ | You involved in the engine porting, timeless? | 22:29 |
| blkhawk | I am looking for the old os2005 version of dropbear | 22:29 |
| sp3000 | timeless: the hw selection in the guided form is a bit ...interesting | 22:29 |
| timeless | sp3000: um... | 22:29 |
| blkhawk | it seemscurrently only a os2006 version is availible | 22:29 |
| timeless | lol | 22:29 |
| timeless | i suppose i should file a bug | 22:30 |
| blkhawk | has anybody got the old .deb? | 22:30 |
| timeless | especially since they're all wrong :) | 22:30 |
| sp3000 | :) | 22:30 |
| GAN800_ | Why not upgrade, blkhawk? | 22:30 |
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| timeless | os too | 22:30 |
| blkhawk | GAN800: iam unsure if my device will run with differentbootloaders | 22:32 |
| blkhawk | I need to check first if they are vanilla 2005 | 22:32 |
| blkhawk | and for that i need to dump them somehow | 22:32 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Does your N800 have the engine selection by default when installing on a clean N800? | 22:32 |
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| blkhawk | the n770 i have is a old prototype | 22:33 |
| blkhawk | I nearly bricked t once today already | 22:33 |
| timeless | x-fade: talk to sp3000 | 22:33 |
| sp3000 | X-Fade: I did have it | 22:33 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Did you update the version yesterday? I downloaded it before the official announcement? | 22:35 |
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| timeless | you did *what*?! | 22:35 |
| X-Fade | Well, I downloaded the browser before it got posted on maemo.org at least.. | 22:36 |
| timeless | maemo.org? | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | When your website wasn't opera compatible yet.. | 22:36 |
| sp3000 | blkhawk: the repository the old wiki applicationcatalog points to doesn't resolve | 22:38 |
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| blkhawk | sp3000: i know | 22:39 |
| blkhawk | thats my problem | 22:39 |
| sp3000 | but there's an openssh link that does hit a deb | 22:39 |
| blkhawk | well - I will go with that - tho dropbear probably has the smallerfootprint | 22:39 |
| blkhawk | I wanted it to becomeroot | 22:41 |
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| timeless | sp3000: Bug 1690 Submitted | 22:42 |
| * sp3000 is momentarily confused | 22:43 | |
| * sp3000 needs to knife chatzilla into linking to the right bugzilla here | 22:43 | |
| timeless | heh | 22:44 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800&component=Browser%20(Mozilla%20Engine)&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux | 22:44 |
| timeless | that link should work a bit better | 22:44 |
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| * sp3000 hits an ambiguous parse tree at Mozilla based browser for maemo related bugs | 22:47 | |
| timeless | heh, where did you run into that? | 22:48 |
| sp3000 | component desc | 22:48 |
| timeless | file a bug :) | 22:48 |
| timeless | components shouldn't have "bugs" at that part of the description :( | 22:49 |
| sp3000 | most either start or end with it atm | 22:49 |
| timeless | nice | 22:50 |
| timeless | HTTP ERROR: 404 | 22:50 |
| timeless | Not Found | 22:50 |
| timeless | RequestURI=/mgp/events/770tableteer/770/discover/an add filtering solution | 22:50 |
| timeless | {Powered by Jetty://} | 22:50 |
| alterego | I think Nokia have figured out I've got an N800. I've not had an email from them in years .. | 22:51 |
| alterego | Forum Nokia this is .. | 22:51 |
| timeless | that's from http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/770/discover/... | 22:51 |
| alterego | Eh? | 22:51 |
| timeless | i clicked on the tableteer bookmark on my 770 | 22:52 |
| timeless | and there was a link to "Fakeweb" | 22:52 |
| timeless | i clicked it and got that nice pretty 404 | 22:52 |
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| TimRiker | ok, an update on my n800 service request for any who listen..... | 22:56 |
| TimRiker | in May a bought a new n800. it was defective out of the box. I called Nokia who said they would "repair or replace it" if I shipped it to them *at my expense* | 22:57 |
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| TimRiker | So I did so (with trackig number). They got it May 9th. on May 15th they post an update on the web site saying it is "awaiting parts" | 22:58 |
| TimRiker | it's been "awaiting" ever since. | 22:58 |
| TimRiker | It appears that for over 2 months they have been trying to find a replacement unit to send me and have not been able to obtain one. | 22:59 |
| TimRiker | no word from them. no phone calls, no emails, etc. | 22:59 |
| TimRiker | all I got from them was "it's awaiting parts" | 22:59 |
| TimRiker | now I call, and insist that is not good enough. (crazy me!) | 23:00 |
| TimRiker | so I get the story about how the repair group does not have *even one* n800 *anywhere* in the US to send me. | 23:00 |
| ||cw | i would have taken it back to the store if ti was defective out of the box | 23:01 |
| TimRiker | I'm floored. I think I'm in some bizzaro-world. | 23:01 |
| TimRiker | ||cw: the "store" was a web site. | 23:01 |
| TimRiker | I could not find one in any local store. | 23:01 |
| ||cw | I'd still try | 23:01 |
| TimRiker | nokia agreed with me that it was defective out of the box. | 23:02 |
| TimRiker | and still, 2.5 months with no replacement or repair. | 23:02 |
| TimRiker | anyhow. after much insisting, they have offered to refund my money if I send them a copy of my printed sales receipt. .... you get the irony? it's an online purchase. there was no printed sales receipt. | 23:03 |
| Ceg | anyone know where i can download x-chat from for the 770? | 23:03 |
| guru3 | did you get an online one, print it out? | 23:03 |
| timeless | so um | 23:04 |
| timeless | http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=131118 | 23:04 |
| timeless | someone was asking about publishing bugs from nokia's bug databse into bugs.maemo | 23:04 |
| timeless | that article is worth a read | 23:04 |
| timeless | specifically 2.1.1 | 23:04 |
| TimRiker | guru3: yes. I need to find the email receipt. print it ... and then fax it to them. they will not take an email submission. | 23:04 |
| guru3 | i'm glad my 770 worked | 23:05 |
| TimRiker | course the fax address is long distance for me, so I need to pay for that too. | 23:05 |
| GrumpyOldMan | i wonder how long it will take them to fix my 770 | 23:05 |
| blkhawk | why do half the arm.debs i want to install fail with the error "component is already installed" | 23:05 |
| blkhawk | ? | 23:05 |
| TimRiker | over all, on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd give them a 2. everyone I talked to was polite, they juse were not helpful. | 23:05 |
| TimRiker | s/juse/just/ | 23:05 |
| infobot | TimRiker meant: over all, on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd give them a 2. everyone I talked to was polite, they just were not helpful. | 23:05 |
| guru3 | what country was your n800 made in? | 23:06 |
| blkhawk | well thank you infobot - i would not have figured that out | 23:06 |
| TimRiker | so a word to the wise. hope that you never, ever, never, ever have to get your n800/770 serviced. | 23:06 |
| TimRiker | guru3: dunno. as I've not seen it for 2.5 months now. how would I know if I could see it? | 23:07 |
| guru3 | the box should say i think | 23:07 |
| * Sulis looks at her box... | 23:07 | |
| guru3 | the label with the barcodes | 23:07 |
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| Sulis | yeah, it does indeed | 23:08 |
| TimRiker | inside the battery on other units shows "made in korea" | 23:08 |
| Sulis | are there some problem units from some country? | 23:09 |
| guru3 | that's my dad's theory | 23:09 |
| guru3 | my 770 was made in germany and it's fine | 23:09 |
| TimRiker | on the phone with nokia I can check the status of the repair on my "phone" my entering the "cellular number of the phone in question" | 23:09 |
| guru3 | my mom's e70 was made in finland and is fine | 23:09 |
| guru3 | my dad's 6321 was made in like estonia and is not fine | 23:09 |
| timeless | timriker: heh | 23:09 |
| Sulis | my n800 was made in finland and it's fine...so far | 23:10 |
| Sulis | why shouldn't estonia be fine? | 23:10 |
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| guru3 | well i can't remember which country it was exactly | 23:10 |
| guru3 | let me ask | 23:10 |
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| TimRiker | timeless: all the RMA forms _require_ entering the device's "cell phone number" and "cellular provider" | 23:10 |
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| guru3 | ah, pardon me | 23:11 |
| guru3 | 6131 made in hungary | 23:11 |
| guru3 | aparently the camera, radio, and vibrator have been having problems | 23:11 |
| guru3 | like it was shipped with a dead radio | 23:11 |
| guru3 | now how the hell do you let that happen out of a factory | 23:11 |
| Sulis | do they actually test the units? | 23:12 |
| guru3 | i would hope | 23:12 |
| guru3 | you know, QC and all | 23:12 |
| Sulis | i'd think that would be a long task and i doubt that they do | 23:12 |
| Sulis | probably they test a random sample from each batch | 23:12 |
| guru3 | hmm | 23:13 |
| TimRiker | so now I've had the opportunity spend $21 or so in shipping and long distance charges to have the privilege of loaning Nokia my $375 plus tax for 2.5 months (so far) | 23:13 |
| guru3 | yeah that sucks | 23:13 |
| TimRiker | contrast this with HPs support. I had an iPaq that died out of warranty during an OS upgrade. They next-day-air me a replacement with a self addresses pre-paid label to return the old one. | 23:15 |
| Sulis | :O now that is good | 23:15 |
| TimRiker | Nokia desperately needs a clue or 20. | 23:15 |
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| TimRiker | Nokia: I'm out $20 and never did get what I paid for. HP: I'm out nothing, and back up and running in less than 24 hours. | 23:16 |
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| Ceg | watrs the best way to watch a video on ur 770 ? | 23:16 |
| Ceg | :) | 23:16 |
| TimRiker | Ceg: my an ipaq, and sit it on top of the 770. | 23:17 |
| Sulis | TimRiker: why can't they just send you a new n800? | 23:17 |
| Ceg | :| | 23:17 |
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| TimRiker | Sulis: they have "been looking for one" for over 2 months now and claim they can't find one. | 23:17 |
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| Sulis | well that's blatantly rubbish | 23:18 |
| TimRiker | Ceg: just kidding... there are lots of options, I'm just not in a pro-Nokia mood. :/ | 23:18 |
| TimRiker | Sulis: apparently they have no way to transfer even one unit from the sales channel over to the repair group. | 23:19 |
| Sulis | ...uh...what a stupid business model... | 23:19 |
| TimRiker | They expect me to believe that (at least in the last 2 months) they have not replaced a single n800 in the entire US. | 23:19 |
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| milhouse | Maybe I'm being thick here, but where are these documents? https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1175 | 23:23 |
| milhouse | rather, where is the presentation that is supposed to be in the "Documentation" section? :) | 23:24 |
| alterego | Woo! The last hildon widget! | 23:24 |
| sp3000 | milhouse: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agarage.maemo.org+GUADEC+2007 | 23:26 |
| milhouse | Ah.... | 23:26 |
| milhouse | thanks sp3000 :) | 23:26 |
| milhouse | So I was being thick | 23:26 |
| sp3000 | milhouse: I can't figure out how to navigate from the gforge announcement to the document either :) | 23:27 |
| sp3000 | ok - summary -> project home page -> doc | 23:28 |
| milhouse | indeed... I was thinking the "Documentation" section was a section within Garage itself! | 23:28 |
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| X-Fade | milhouse: Hehe, I had the same problem an hour ago :) | 23:30 |
| milhouse | I'm looking forward to the Modest GUADEC presentation slides | 23:31 |
| X-Fade | The news item really means. Go to the brower homepage website. Go to the documentation section there.. ;) | 23:31 |
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| milhouse | Would have been silly to give a direct link of course. | 23:32 |
| alterego | And now Ruby (Hildon Widgets) is done :) | 23:32 |
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| milhouse | interesting that Cairo has been dropped from the Maemo Mozilla browser... I guess it was dropped for performance (or memory footprint) reasons? I wonder if it will appear in a future version on N800 | 23:37 |
| X-Fade | milhouse: Yeah, probably due to performance issues. Although next maemo version will have gtk 2.10 + cairo? | 23:42 |
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| milhouse | It would be a shame not to have Cairo on the tablets - the Cairo guys seem to have spent a huge amount of time optimising performance | 23:43 |
| timeless | cairo perforamnce is abysmal | 23:44 |
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| X-Fade | milhouse: The indt guys alreay packaged it.. | 23:45 |
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| milhouse | timeless: shame :( | 23:45 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Did you try with 1.4.x versions? | 23:45 |
| timeless | it's abysmal | 23:46 |
| timeless | cairo assumes non sucky X | 23:46 |
| timeless | 770/n800 don't have that | 23:46 |
| timeless | put another way, the Mozilla based browser for maemo is not based on cairo. we wasted months undoing the Gecko => cairo transition in order to have something we could ship | 23:47 |
| timeless | all because of speed. | 23:47 |
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| timeless | believe me we had people who tried all sorts of things to make cairo speed not suck | 23:47 |
| timeless | and believe me, i don't approve of wasting time backporting away from cairo | 23:47 |
| milhouse | timeless: do you think the x problems can be solved? | 23:47 |
| timeless | replace the x server with nvidia's? sure | 23:48 |
| milhouse | i know the N800 video hadrdware has some bandwidth issues | 23:48 |
| timeless | otherwise? provide some hackers to write non sucky cairo only caching impls of things | 23:48 |
| milhouse | so it's not a hardware issue, purely software? i'm not an expert on x so don't know what other options are available | 23:48 |
| timeless | i don't think it's impossible. but it seems fairly clear nokia won't be doing it | 23:48 |
| timeless | Gecko works fine using Gtk2 | 23:49 |
| timeless | Gecko is slow using Cairo | 23:49 |
| timeless | same Gecko | 23:49 |
| timeless | Same X | 23:49 |
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| timeless | different path | 23:49 |
| timeless | Cairo is stupid | 23:49 |
| timeless | cairo asks X to do things repeatedly instead of doing it itself once and keeping the answer and giving X fewer instructions | 23:49 |
| timeless | note: if X is better, there's no problem | 23:50 |
| timeless | X won't be better. | 23:50 |
| milhouse | so it's not really an X problem...? | 23:50 |
| milhouse | just the way Cairo works? | 23:50 |
| timeless | X isn't fixable | 23:50 |
| milhouse | smashing. :( | 23:50 |
| timeless | nvidia's X server/driver is good | 23:50 |
| timeless | ATI's X server/driver is bad | 23:50 |
| timeless | the one in nokia n800 is probably worse than ATI's | 23:50 |
| milhouse | hmm.. not much chance of getting Nvidia x server to work on an N800! ;) | 23:51 |
| ||cw | it's frame buffer isn't it? | 23:51 |
| timeless | you aren't going to improve the hardware of the n800 xserver | 23:51 |
| timeless | and you aren't going to be able to make the software implement more features smarter | 23:51 |
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