IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-07-09

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coderanger_padHow do i hide deleted IMAP messages in claws?00:01
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Halo9hi guys how you all doing00:43
Halo9can anyone help me with kismet on my n80000:44
megabyte405Halo9: search internettablettalk.com for info on Kismet on N80000:45
megabyte405Short answer: it kind of works - it will randomly work great, and randomly (more commonly) stop updating after a few seconds00:45
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Halo9i have its another issue saying  unknown interface wlan01 and permlssion denied00:48
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Halo9anyone00:52
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imthefrizzlefr1anyone here using a jabber transport to view aim contacts on their 770?00:58
gomiamnot me00:58
gomiambut it should be doable00:58
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gomiamI have known of people doing it.00:58
imthefrizzlefr1yea, it's working with msn, yahoo and IRC for me, but I can't see anyone as being online... I can hear, but not talk...00:59
gomiam!00:59
gomiamok, try to add gomiam@hotmail.com to your MSN00:59
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gomiamand let's see if you see me00:59
gomiamor tell me your MSN address and I'll try to add you.01:00
pupnikSpeak softly and carry a big trout.01:02
gomiamimthefrizzlefr1: I'm IMing you through MSN. Do my messages get to you?01:03
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gomiamdisconnected...01:06
pupnikHalo9: there's a kismet configuration file under /etc where i think you can set the interface.  I don't have a n800 though sorry01:06
gomiamimthefrizzlefr1: please tell me whether you get notified of the disconnection :-)01:07
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gomiamreconnecting...01:07
Halo9pupnik; thank you do you understand the error?01:09
pupnikwell there are names for interfaces01:09
pupniklike wlan0 and stuff01:10
pupnikif you run ifconfig command you can see your interfaces01:10
pupnikon the 770 there's a lo interface for loopback and a wlan0 interface for the wifi01:11
pupnikbut i would expect that the kismet package for the N800 would have the interface set-up correctly already01:13
pupnikso i don't know what the problem is01:13
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gomiampupnik: kismet works on my N800, without needing any extra configuration01:19
pupnikoh Halo9 quit... oh well01:22
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BrenduhCan anyone give me a clue as to why my 770 is coming on by itself?  I go through the "turn device off" thing.  I charged it a couple days ago and just went in and the battery is almost dead.  I did turn the cover around on it and it is still coming on by itself.03:43
SeRiCheck that the alarm is off and also check that the alarmd "alarm deamon" is not running03:49
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Brenduhhow do I do that second part?03:52
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Trencheryay linux 2.6.x vm! now i can compile.. i think...04:22
Trencherlol04:23
omnixi have a 2gb mmcmobile card that I'm trying to partition04:23
omnixin this HOWTO, they're creating an ext2 and a VFAT partition.  What's the point of the VFAT partition?04:24
rwhitbyso that the automatic stuff which mounts the card still works, and you can use that vfat bit in the normal file manager GUI04:25
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omnixhow large of a partition do you recommend be VFAT?04:31
rwhitbycompletely up to you04:31
omnixif i want to use the mmc card for video files and mp3s, those would be stored in ext2 or vfat?04:32
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Trenchervfat04:36
Trenchervfat is what the device will think is your mmc card04:37
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Trencherwhile the ext2 is what will be the OS flash04:37
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Trencherfor 2gb, i made the partitions 1,45000,6 and 45001,,04:39
Trencherand i got 1.37gb of space for the 'mmc'04:39
Trencherand 300mb for apps04:39
omnixi think i read your post on the forums trencher04:40
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Trencher\o/?04:40
omnixis the mmcmobile card vfat by default?04:41
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Trencherdon't think so04:42
Trenchermine came RAW04:42
Trencheri formatted it fat04:43
Trencherthen repartitioned it fat/ext204:43
omnixwouldn't ext2 have better performance than vfat?04:43
Trencherpossibly, but the devices only take fat cards04:43
omnixwhen accessing video files for example04:43
Trencher:( i can't get the vmware image to work.. meh04:44
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megabyte405I think that there is no ext2 module in the kernel by default, IIRC04:48
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yzf600hey04:49
yzf600anyone have any experience in setting up the SDK for maemo04:49
yzf600I'm following the tutorials and ran into a snag04:50
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yzf600I've got Xephyr installed, along with scratchbox04:51
yzf600when I go to run " af-sb-init.sh start" it can't find the shell script04:52
Trencherlol i can't even get the prepackaged one to work04:52
omnixtrencher, how come u only have 1.37gb of space for the mmc?04:52
omnixer, mb04:53
yzf600something may have gone wrong with the scratchbox setup as none of the tutorial instructions matched the commands in scratchboox04:53
omnixactually no, gb04:53
Trenchercuz the rest went to the OS04:53
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omnixso true capacity of 2gb is 1.67gb?04:53
Trencherno04:53
Trencheri had 300mb after the os04:53
Trencherthe os takes up space too04:53
omnixoh.  are you using a swap file or partition?04:53
Trencherfile04:54
omnixhow large?04:54
Trencher64mb04:54
Trencheron the vfat04:54
omnixwhy on the vfat?04:54
Trenchercuz it's supposed to be on the card and you can't put it in the flash (ext2)04:54
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ports-2gb = 2000mb...05:03
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Trenchercan anyone here compile something small for me for the 770?05:25
Trencheri got that indt sdk image, but it won't start properly..05:26
Trencheri've been trying to find out how to fix the errors, but there's not very much support for this image05:26
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thoughtfixOkay05:34
thoughtfixI finally did it05:34
thoughtfixan editorial video on "The N800 is NOT a phone!"05:34
Trencherlol05:35
thoughtfixI take a dig at one of the popular phones of the day in the middle of the video05:35
thoughtfixHope the YouTube icon turns into that part05:35
thoughtfixhehe05:35
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Trencher:(05:38
Trenchernoone?05:41
ports-lol05:43
Trencher:( don't lol at me...05:43
Trencheri fail hard at linux05:43
ports-no worries. so do i05:44
Trencherlike someone with agoraphobia trying to go outside for the first time tripping on the doorstep and smashing their face...05:44
ports-haha05:45
* Trencher emo cry05:46
thoughtfixI wish my hair was emo05:47
thoughtfixthen it would just cut ITSELF05:48
Trencher...05:48
* Trencher cricket05:48
disqwonder if n800 skype includes smilies. especially (emo)05:48
Trencherugh05:48
disqbtw maemoscrobbler 0.1.0 is ready. now gotta add support for it in ukmp and send in a patch.05:49
thoughtfixI just tested it. (emo) works05:49
disqbest skype smiley05:49
Trencherugh05:49
Trenchercan either of u compile for me? i don't know what i can offer in trade...05:50
disqi've been coding for 10 hours now, kinda want to go to bed05:51
thoughtfixVideo uploaded. Processing now.05:57
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thoughtfixhttp://tabletblog.com/2007/07/nokia-n800-better-without-phone.html06:03
SeRiKonttori are you in?06:06
GeneralAntilleslol, thoughtfix, that was awesome. :D06:08
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rwhitbythoughtfix: nice video06:21
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thoughtfixThanks06:22
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thoughtfixI figure everyone else who has been asked that a thousand times can just point to that video06:22
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disqcracked me up you repeating the same sentence over and over "it's not a phone"06:23
thoughtfixMy personal favorite part is the Pac Man noise06:25
disqhilarious :)06:25
thoughtfixMy girlfriend is telling me I make funny faces06:26
rwhitbyI didn't notice anything like that.06:27
thoughtfixI can see it later in the video as I am ad-libbing a bit06:28
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thoughtfixAnd the iPhone has exactly 40% of the pixels of the N80006:28
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jacquesheh06:29
jacquesI was playing with an iphone today06:29
thoughtfix320x480 vs 800x48006:29
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nelsonI see that there's been a new version published while I was away.06:32
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nelsonthoughtfix: hehe, very funny.06:33
thoughtfix:D06:34
thoughtfixthanks06:34
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megabyte405hey all06:52
megabyte405Trencher: what are you actually doing with the image?06:53
megabyte405it was plug and go for me06:53
Trencherstarted it06:56
Trencherit came up06:56
Trencheraf-sb-init.sh start06:57
Trenchergot lots of 'file not found'06:57
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Trencherthen nothing06:57
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Markovfor some reason my display settings don't seem to be taking effect06:58
Markovafter new firmware...06:58
Markovas in the screen never dims or turns off06:58
Markovalso the scroll bar in opera disappears for certain sites when i put it in "fit width to window" mode06:59
Markovand whenever i touch the screen in maemo mapper, it closes (but, that's always happened)06:59
megabyte405Markov: change your theme, reboot, and change it back06:59
_Monkeymegabyte405: that doesn't look right06:59
Markovmegabyte405: that's a solution to which of the problems?07:00
megabyte405the first two, with luck07:00
Markovooo nice07:00
megabyte405Trencher: did you run af-sb-init.sh from within the scratchbox option?  (Did it even start?  You have to do an echo from within a root shell (sudo su - ) - run /scratchbox/login from a terminal to see the message)07:00
Markovhey! that worked11!! thanks megabyte40507:04
megabyte405Markov: np07:04
Trencherscratchbox started07:04
megabyte405there is a big thread at internettablettalk.com that summaries some fixes to common problems with the new firmware07:04
Trencheri got the 'Welcome to Scratchbox!'07:04
megabyte405there's a fair amount of "noise" in the thread, but also some good signal07:04
megabyte405Trencher: ok, cool.  did xephyr come up?07:04
Trencheryeah..07:05
Trencher:507:05
megabyte405ok07:05
Trencherthere's a bunch of: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: no such file or directory07:05
megabyte405hmm07:06
megabyte405did you install the nokia restricted stuff?07:06
Trencherran it, said it finished07:06
Trenchercould try again07:06
megabyte405hmm07:06
megabyte405beats me - it worked right off the bat for me07:06
TrencherNokia binaries repository already installed.07:06
Trencheri get SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set too07:07
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Trencheri'll try unpacking it again07:22
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Trencherloading image07:26
Trencherkeep uuid07:26
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Trencherinstall binaries07:28
Trencherdone07:29
Trencheropen scratchbox and run af-sb-init.sh start07:29
Trencher...07:30
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Trencheri guess there should be something about NOT trying to run scratchbox before you install the nokia bins07:30
disqtrevarth1n: hey, there?07:31
_Monkeythere is probably some app that is drawing a lot of power07:31
Trenchermegabyte405: where are the kernel sources kept in this image?07:41
megabyte405for scratchbox?07:41
megabyte405probably in /scratchbox/src/kernel or something like that07:42
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Trencherno /src07:45
megabyte405how about usr/src07:46
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Trenchernope07:47
megabyte405beats me07:49
megabyte405did you install it07:49
megabyte405?07:49
Trencherlooks like i have to compile my own?07:49
megabyte405fakeroot apt-get install kernel-source-rx-43 or something like that07:49
Trencherah. rx-3407:50
Trencherclose07:50
Trenchervery close07:50
Trencherrunning now07:50
Trencherthat's pretty good from memory07:50
Trencherty very much07:50
megabyte405not a prob07:51
megabyte405I'm too low on RAM here to actually fact-check before I say something - firefox is a large-memory app07:51
megabyte405but if I think I know something, I'm glad to pass it on07:51
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Trencherwaaaait08:34
Trencheri'm missing something here08:35
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disqmmm. nokia people were visible (answering mailing lists, posting in bugzilla, etc) but now it's dead silent. i smell monday meeting.09:59
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disqand i'm bored, yes.09:59
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cy-So where does one get the new firmware anyways?  "OS 2007 edition v. 3.2007.10-7 includes improvements and fixes in:" from nokia's site..  via http://www.nokiausa.com/A441095810:34
disqhttp://tablet-dev.maemo.org/10:35
disqor i think the firmware updater software can download automatically10:35
Dasajevhttp://europe.nokia.com/A430501010:35
disq(erm sorry it's not tablet-dev apparently)10:36
cy-http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php10:37
cy-cool10:37
cy-rockin'10:37
disqah that's it10:37
cy-Guess I'll update here shortly :-D10:37
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JaffaMorning, all10:48
disqmorning10:50
Komarovalmost noon here10:50
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cy-sup Jaffa10:51
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cy-Can anyone verify that flasher.macosx works with the N800?  http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php states "flasher utility (MacOS X on PPC) for the Nokia 770"  :P11:11
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AD-N770good morning11:14
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X-FadeCan somebody confirm the following behaviour on 2007-24:11:17
X-FadeOpen for example control panel: Press the escape and menu button at the same time with your fat finger and tap somewhere in the application.11:18
X-FadeThis closes the app. I can do it in the browser, control panel, notes etc etc..11:19
inzX-Fade, if you hold the escape for ~3 secs, any window is closed11:20
X-Fadeinz: Yes, but this is short press.11:20
X-FadeI noticed it when going to the previous page in my browser. It closed the window when I touched the screen after pressing the back button..11:21
X-FadeAfter trying it out, it seemed that I also pressed the menu button at the same time..11:22
inzX-Fade, true, can reproduce11:23
X-FadePressing only the back button with my thumb is pretty hard to do for me :)11:23
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tolgamhi11:31
EnokWhere to get apache web server on N800?11:31
pyhimysEnok: you don't want to run apache on n80011:32
EnokWhy not11:32
EnokFor local use only11:32
pyhimysEnok: well it is kinda biggish11:33
cy-Enok: run mongrel or something11:33
pyhimysSome would say bloated11:33
Veggenhmm. what about thttpd ?11:34
Veggenhttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/thttpd/11:34
EnokOk I think any web server will do11:34
Veggenhmm, for OS2006.11:34
Veggenand there's nginx (I have tried neither)11:36
EnokThanks I'll try that11:40
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gomiammmm... has anyboydy compiled the open CX3110 kernel module?11:44
gomiamsee https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/11:44
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`0660i think yes11:59
`0660at least it's pretty common question if the binary blob needs to be saved separately of that module11:59
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Komarovanyone from Nokia here? maybe somebody who knows Jakub Pavelek?12:13
gomiam`0660: I haven't set the compiler-chain yet. Do you have binaries for that driver?12:15
`0660no12:15
`0660but search the developer thread12:15
gomiamok, thanks12:15
`0660it was a binary blob you need to copy from the device12:15
gomiamI'll look it up then.12:16
janidont know jakub, what about him?12:17
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inzfsck, I was afk for two days and my ticket system got flooded with spam comments12:18
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inzX-Fade, mmh, I think the problem goes like this, 1) you press esc, the timeout for closing is set, 2) you press menu, menu is opened and makes a grab, 3) you release esc, key release goes to the menu12:35
inzX-Fade, thus, the timeout is never unset12:35
inzX-Fade, I'm also guessing that having a menu open prevents the window from closing on delete-event (you can also close the menu with menu key)12:36
eugenehi12:36
_Monkeyhi, eugene12:36
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X-Fade_inz: Indeed.. esc, menu..wait a little. menu... That also closes the app.13:19
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cosmohello, i'm trying to learn maemo development13:40
cosmofirst problem: networking does not seem to work in scratchbox13:40
cosmoapt-get update causes "Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'"13:40
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janithats common issue..13:42
jani check your entries in /etc/resolv.conf inside your scratchbox ..13:43
inzand nsswitch.conf13:43
janitrue, that too.13:43
inzor, more precisely /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf13:43
janiis this issue commented in the wiki ? its asked alot, should be some sort of faq allready13:44
Komarovjani, I've spent days withi this and other bugs around maemo. My advice: find a VMWare image with Ubuntu and scratchbox configured, and just start working@13:45
Komarovthey call it maemo appliance or smth like that13:46
inzI've made a /etc/network/if-up.d -script that updates my resolv.conf when the network is brought up13:46
inzEases life quite a bit on a laptop13:46
janiKomarov: what ?13:50
janii didnt have problem with that =) i was just commenting that maybe the issue should be put to maemo wiki as faq cuz it comes up quite often..13:50
Komarovokaaay...13:51
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Komarovoh, jani... I actually addressed that to cosmo! :-D13:53
jani=)13:53
cosmoKomarov: ok, i'll consider that if setting up sbox seems too hard13:55
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Komarovin my case double-checking all the setting didn't help: I could ping any domain and get any data from internet - except of 'apt-get update' :-E...13:56
cosmogot it working! :)13:57
rZrhi13:57
Komarovwhat did you do?13:57
* rZr is wondering if nokia still provides vounchers for developpers ?13:57
cosmoi edited /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf (outside sbox)13:57
cosmohttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/2343813:57
cosmoand restarted sbox13:58
Komarovgreat13:59
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janiKomarov: prolly a case thay you where behind a proxy ..14:14
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Komarovno, I'm sure I wasn't...14:18
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EnokHow do I use php in nginx on n800?14:20
MikhoDoes anybody know what do "is_ordered" and "is_unique" mean when defining operation parameters in UML?14:22
VeggenEnok: uhm...you don't? ;)14:22
cosmotoo bad they've stopped developing laika14:23
MikhoAlso, I'd like to know what do similar qualifiers Leaf, Ordered, Static, Unique, Abstract and Query mean when defining UML operations or attributes14:23
Veggenor, read http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/05/30/nginx-php-fastcgi-howto/14:23
Mikhoextremely hard to google14:23
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KomarovEnok, you plan to make a phishing web-site in an open Wi-Fi network? :-) and to host it on N800? :-D14:30
EnokNo just local web user interface to launch shell scripts14:35
EnokBut good idea though14:35
suihkulokki"<blink>free wireless access point!</blink> enter credit card number for identity verification only"14:36
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EnokThere's that php5-fastcgi package in maemo-hackers repository, how to go with that14:42
cosmoshould it be possible to actually use apt-get in sbox? i'm getting huge missing dependencies list14:46
janicosmo: yes, its possible. however by default, i think there's no repositories defined, only your local installation file.14:47
janinot sure thou, i think it was like that.14:47
cosmothere is bora repository in sources.list14:48
cosmoi'm trying to compile maemopad, but it depends on intltool which isn't installed14:50
janidid you use fakeroot with apt-get  ?14:52
janiprolly not the issue but ..14:52
cosmo yep14:52
cosmo"Package intltool is not available, but is referred to by another package."14:53
eugenePrecompiled kernel with kprobes support for N80014:56
eugenehttp://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/7002.html14:56
janimaybe, again, just maybe, you have missing devkits from scratchbox installation ..14:56
eugenelet me know how it goes..14:56
EnokGot php working, thanks for any efforts14:57
janicosmo: sb-menu -> show -> choose your target and it will show a dialog that shows what devkits you have ..14:57
cosmoi've got debian devkit14:57
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cosmook, now it compiled. i needed debian-sarge devkit15:01
Komarovdarn, I'm totally stuck15:03
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Komarovhow do I login to XTerm under root?15:04
cosmoi'll try to get some formal maemo training, but the next one in finland is in fall15:04
cosmoKomarov: install gainroot deb, and run gainroot15:04
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Komarovthanks15:04
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draegerhi everybody, is there a way to backup the current system (apps, config, ...) prior to a firmware update so you dont have to start from scrach again?15:07
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Komarovcouldn't find such a deb, do I need to follow old 770 instruction, switch to r&d mode, modify gainroot script etc?15:27
Veggendraeger: apps no, but config yes. there is builtin backup. I always do an OS-based backup (i.e. tar up the whole thing) in addition, though.15:29
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draegerVeggen, hm do you think an rsync of the whole fs will restore my apps as well?15:31
Veggendrager: uh. don't do that, as it will wipe out the upgrade in addition :) And probably render the system unusable in the process.15:32
draegerVeggen: do'h :)15:32
Veggendrager: Do the builtin backup process, then perhaps a dpkg --get-selections to a file you can use as a basis for reinstalling packages.15:33
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Komarovdrager: tell me more details... please15:35
draegerVeggen: k, i am mostly concerned about losing the contacts and appointments using GPE but maybe theres a sync too for that somewhere15:35
cosmoKomarov: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/15:36
Veggendraeger: hmm, I think the backup procedure will make sure you don't lose that.15:36
VeggenAnd it's anyways in your home dir. I always rsync /home/user somewhere, so you can try to fix manually if it doesn't.15:37
draegerkk i'll check out the builtin backup15:37
draegerthanks for the help Veggen15:38
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draegerKomarov: i hoped for a way to install the new firmware without having to reinstall everything manually15:39
Veggen(side note: I do wish it were possible to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, myself. It'd be so convenient)15:39
eugeneKomarov: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html15:39
draegersigned15:39
Komarovthanks15:47
eugenei wonder how i can add my blog to planet maemo15:48
gomiameugene: do you already have a maemo account?15:49
eugenegomiam: yes i have15:49
gomiammmm... if anything, that should be the way to do and add your blog15:49
gomiamI can't find a way to do it anonymously (as it should be)15:50
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VeggenInstalling openssh and ssh to localhost is even easier, I believe, than RD mode and gainroot?15:50
eugenegomiam: actually, i have an external blog15:50
inzeugene, you can enable rd-mode with the offical flasher too ;)15:50
eugeneinz: see the comments in that post :)15:50
eugeneinz: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html?nc=215:50
Veggen(side note: I always change my /etc/sudoers so that I can sudo su - as soon as I have gotten root the first time)15:52
inzeguene, mentioning the "at your own risk" in the post just makes it sound like "official flasher would be safer, but it cannot do this"15:52
eugeneinz: i know :/15:52
eugeneinz: maybe that's why no one wants to try kprobes15:53
Mikhois it possible to multi-thread with N770?16:00
inzMikho, sure it is16:04
keesjMikho: like watch porn and read news?16:04
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Mikhoso, in java I would just inherit a class from Thread. In maemo I would...?16:06
eugeneinz: any idea who i should talk to to have my blog added to the planet?16:06
keesjfork or use pthreads16:06
inzeugene, I think you should email planet@maemo.org or something like that16:06
inzeugene, someone else decided to add my blog, so I've no idea how it's done16:07
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Mikhook, thanks16:07
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eugenenevermind. guess i don't have to get it added there anyways. no big deal :)16:08
inzMikho, do note that in C there's no language level support for threds, you don't have keywords like synchronized16:09
Komarovunpacked the 0xFFFF, but there is not install.sh inside16:09
Komarovtried to perform ./0xFFFF -r 1 but it said Permission denied...16:09
Mikhoinz, I'm aware of that. That's why I'm asking :)16:09
Mikhonever threaded before with C16:09
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eugeneKomarov: sudo su -, or su -16:10
eugeneKomarov: need root privileges16:10
MikhoI guess I should manually solve the critical section problem16:10
keesjMikho: I guess that in c you would more try to build event driver programs (that usualy means you don't need threads)16:11
eugeneKomarov: just in case you don't know... read the README/INSTALL files...16:11
Komarovin the instruction it's said to do:  $ cd 0xFFFF-0.2* && sh install.sh16:11
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KomarovI don't need r&d mode itself, I'm trying to get root16:12
Mikhoevent driver programs?16:12
keesjevent driven programming , sorry for my bad spelling.16:12
eugenein the INSTALL, it says:16:13
eugeneJust type:16:13
eugene$ make16:13
eugeneI am not sure where it says sh install.sh16:13
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Komarovhttp://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=down16:14
eugeneok16:16
KomarovI dl'ed the binary16:16
inzMikho, in event driven programming you only do things when they're triggered by some event16:16
Mikhowell, I'm planning of creating a separate thread that reads RFID tags and sends the data to a buffer from which another thread reads the data16:16
KomarovI understood I don't need 0xFFFF at this point as I don't have root yet16:16
eugeneKomarov: no...16:16
eugeneKomarov: there are many ways to gain root prvileges. enabling r&d mode is one of the ways.16:17
Mikhowould there be a power efficient solution without threads?16:17
inzMikho, depends on the RFID reader and the length of the processing of read values16:17
eugeneKomarov: in order to use the flasher program, be it 0xffff or the one provided by nokia, you need to have root privileges in order to flash anything in the first place16:17
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MikhoI'd assume the length of processing is pretty short16:18
inzMikho, can you get events from the rfid reader, or do you need to call some function that blocks until there's something to read?16:18
inzMikho, glib has pretty decent main loop that can monitor file descriptors16:20
Jaffaeugene: email planet@maemo.org, ferenc's very friendly16:20
eugeneJaffa: ok thanks16:21
Komarovi'm not sure I can make connection over USB in case when I'm running Ubuntu in the VMWare under Windows16:21
keesjMikho: interesting what are you up to?16:21
MikhoI'm not sure how it works16:21
Mikhohaven't even seen the reader hardware yet16:22
inzMikho, cannot really say then, but I'd guess you'd be better off using glib main loop there16:23
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Mikhook16:23
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inzMikho, threads have a tendency to bite you in the arse when you're not looking ;)16:24
Mikholooks like the main problem is power consumption16:24
Mikho:)16:24
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inzMikho, there shouldn't be that much difference between two threads, one waiting in read(), and another sleeping in a semaphore/monitor and having one thread sleeping in poll()16:27
ryanfaermanmrning16:28
ryanfaermansup?16:28
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ryanfaermanyo16:30
Mikhothree threads?16:31
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MikhoLooks like I should review my notes about scheduling threads...16:32
Komarovthese instructions make me feel totally dumb!16:32
KomarovI read here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/16:32
KomarovOnce you've updated the repositories, you need to install the following packages: * becomeroot * osso-xterm16:32
Komarov...and how do I do that??16:33
Komaroveverywhere in the instructions it's said in such a short way that a newbie has to always stop and go look for the missing info somewhere else16:34
`0660that's true16:34
`0660could you please fix those pages when you know how to fix them? :)16:34
cosmoKomarov: go to red pill mode and use application manager to install them16:34
VeggenKomarov: the rest is done through the application manager.16:34
Komarovha-ha, I start to think I'll never do :-(16:34
KomarovI've looked through all the software categories in the App manager16:35
Veggen(oh, you need red pill mode? I wish we could get rid of that thing)16:35
KomarovI think I have the required libs but when I exec this command - it still says the same16:35
cosmoyou need to be in red pill to make app manager to show all packages16:35
Veggen...at least for packages that are actually meant to be installed by users.16:35
Komarovanother surprise...16:36
* Komarov load that wiki page in the edit mode16:36
Komarovallright, and I'm supposed to have seen the Matrix film and have in mind which pill color is mode advanced? :-D16:36
* Komarov went googling red/blue modes16:37
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draegerespecially which one will totally mess up your life ;)16:37
Komarovaha16:38
inzMikho, no two threads vs. one thread16:39
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Komarovuhm... I can't edit that page...16:42
MikhoI really don't like polling16:43
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inzMikho, poll() isn't polling16:44
Mikhoerm?16:45
inzMikho, it's quite the opposite16:45
MikhoLooks like there's something I didn't quite understand16:45
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Komarovallright, I went to Tools > Application catalogue as it's said here: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html16:46
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Komarovand where is there "New" that I should click?? there is none16:46
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Komarov:-(16:46
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DasajevFrom the menu, Tools->Application catalog just like it says16:49
MikhoI'm planning on creating 3 threads for my application. One that handles RFID reading and creates event to a event buffer, one that monitors the event buffer  and one that creates the GUI and finally blocks in gtk_main()16:49
MikhoI wonder if I could do with just one16:49
Mikhoor two16:50
KomarovI'm in the Tool->Application catalog, bu I see no "New" button here16:50
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VeggenKomarov: perhaps it's from the menu, not button?16:50
KomarovThere is (from top to bottom) Main screen; Installed applications; Web catalog; Apps to install; Updates16:50
Komarovoh!!16:51
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Komarovall right... I finally got red pill mode17:04
Komarovso now I go and install necessary apps & libs17:04
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VeggenKomarov, a warning: be careful about which packages you update while in red pill mode, etc :)17:05
Veggenbusybox, in particular, isn't very wise to update.17:05
Komarovrly?? thanks for warning, but...17:05
Veggen(without checking first)17:05
Komarovand how about bluez-utils, dbus?17:05
trevarth1nWow, have you guys seen all the SD card corruption issues with the new firmware and SDHC cards?!?17:06
Veggenit might be best, for a beginner, to enable red pill mode, install the needed packages, then disable red pill mode again?17:06
trevarth1nNo way I'm upgrading until that crap is fixed.17:06
inzMikho, if you read the RFID things from a file descriptor, you could create and GIOChannel and add watch it inside the gtk_main()17:06
inz-add17:07
Mikhohmm17:08
Komarovaaaargh... I closed the page with instructions how to become root and now can't find it!!17:08
Komarovgotcha! :-D17:09
inzMikho, (see for example g_io_channel_unix_new and g_io_add_watch)17:09
draegerVeggen, will/is there be a standalone install for skype which does not require an entire fw update?17:10
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Komarovoookaaay.... I try $sudo gainroot17:10
Mikhook, thanks17:10
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inzMikho, for multithreaded, see pthread_create, sem_init, sem_wait, sem_post17:11
Komarovbut it still says the same. what do I do? How can I get info whether I have * becomeroot * osso-xterm? I don't see it in the list of apps to install but I also don't see it in the list of installed apps!!17:12
inzMikho, (monitors are supposedly better than semaphores, but I've never used them ;)17:12
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draegerthe shell prompt shuld have changed from $ to #17:12
KomarovI restarted it, it didn't.17:13
draegerit should look like this17:13
KomarovI mean I started X Terminal, right?17:13
draeger$ sudo gainroot17:13
draeger#17:13
Veggendraeger: no idea :) I am just a user, not a Nokia developer, myself :)17:13
draegerto bad ;)17:13
Komarovit says: cal_read_block(r&d mode): size zero, block not found?17:14
KomarovEnable RD mode if you want to break your device17:14
Komarovhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/17:14
draegerthen you have to enable r&d mode via the app manager17:14
Mikhook, I'll check those keywords17:14
eugeneKomarov: didn't you follow the instructions to the url i pointed you?17:14
Komarovdidn't find any instruction here to go to r&d! that's why I didn't!!17:14
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eugeneKomarov: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html17:15
* Komarov sighs17:15
eugeneKomarov: just relax, read through, and follow the instructions. it's very simple.17:15
eugeneKomarov: download the program, su -, run the program, and you are done.17:15
Komarovthanks for you patience guys17:16
eugeneno worries.17:16
eugeneKomarov: you might want to learn some basics of apt-get too. dpkg -l to list all installed apps. apt-cache search <app name> to search, and apt-get install <app name> to install.17:18
Komarovallright, I follow you instruction in the LJ. I've downloaded the binary, unpacked it and have several dirs, in the bin I see 0xFFFF17:18
eugeneKomarov: ok.17:18
KomarovI made a+x but still if I try to run it I get Permission denied17:18
eugeneKomarov: type id, and show methe output17:18
Komarovuser/users17:18
eugenegood.17:19
eugenetype su -17:19
eugenewait17:19
eugenewhere are you now?17:19
eugenein the n800 shell?17:19
eugeneor your host machine?17:19
Komarovuhm... I do it in the X Terminal on the N800 itself :-)17:19
draeger:)17:19
eugenei have not tried to do it within n800 itself.. :)17:19
KomarovI thought I should run it there because the binary is compiled to ARM17:20
eugeneKomarov: for flashing, it doesn't matter.17:20
Komarovso I need to exec it on my host?17:20
eugeneyes.17:20
eugenesu -17:21
eugeneoff your n80017:21
KomarovI can't imagine how to setup network between n800 and my host insive a VM17:21
eugene./0xffff blah blah17:21
eugeneon your n80017:21
eugenedone17:21
Komarovwait wait wait... and how about the name of that page:17:21
KomarovThe really EASY way to become root of your Nokia 770 (no ssh, no R&D ...)17:21
eugenei have not try that, your on your own.17:22
Komarovi'm shocked...17:23
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Komarovall that stuff there is so incomplete and old...17:23
Komarovand I can't fix it inspite of that it's wiki17:24
eugeneit's users contributions. user make an effort to update them.17:24
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KomarovI'm registered, so how do I do that?17:24
eugeneKomarov: are you using windows?17:25
Komarovyeah...17:26
eugeneKomarov: just use the windows flasher. problem solved.17:26
KomarovI also have Ubuntu installed but I can't setup scratchbox there because of that apt-get error17:26
eugeneKomarov: are you familiar with debian and apt-get stuff?17:26
Komarovnope, but I honestly checked and re-checked all the places I should17:27
Komarovaccording to instructions and advices given here17:27
eugeneKomarov: then honestly, learn the basics first, before you even start working on scratchbox.17:27
eugeneKomarov: following the instructions blindly won't help you much. really.17:27
KomarovI had DNS and network set up normally but apt-get didn't work while everything elsedid17:28
eugenethat's probably a question you migiht want to ask @ #ubuntu17:28
Komarovthanks for an advice... I didn't expect it will be so sophisticated17:29
eugeneKomarov: another way is to install dropbear ssh (google for some tutorial)17:29
eugeneKomarov: and then ssh root@n800's ip, and use the password rootme.17:30
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eugeneKomarov: it's not that complicated really. not sure why it's complicated for you. i'm just trying to help :)17:30
Komarovlooks like I'm just dummy :-)17:31
eugenenah, you just need to learn... you skipped a couple of steps that you shouldn't :)17:31
inzeugene, I think the windows flasher doesn't support setting r&d-mode17:31
Komarovthat's a bad windows programmer habit - to expect that docs are recent and detailed17:31
inzKomarov, install dropbear-server and ssh root@localhost ;)17:31
eugeneinz: oh. ok. thanks, i don't know that17:31
KomarovI actually already have it installed, will try...17:32
Komarovnever worked in a network over USB, need some time17:32
`0660just change the root password quickly...17:32
KomarovAnd I also wasn't born with the knowledge of what the n800 IP is :-D but I'll google it17:33
eugenehehe17:33
eugeneKomarov: if you already have xterm, then type ssh root@localhost17:33
Komarovyeah baby!!17:34
eugenei think that is a sign of good news17:35
Komarovgod, I've forgot 10 time what I actually planned to do17:35
Komarovbefore I started this root-war :-)17:35
eugenethat happens to me a lot too17:35
eugenei'm supposed to do something17:35
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Komarovthis is a great way to become a root, I think that old instruction should be replaced by something shorter now17:36
eugeneit's a matter of preference and choices17:36
pyhimyscan i use the the flasher-2.0.macosx to update latest firmware to n800?17:36
pyhimysPreferably without bricking the device17:37
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pyhimysApparently yes17:40
pyhimysI have a g4 powerbook.17:40
pyhimyshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=573117:40
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Komarovis there Midnight Commander for n800?18:00
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vbraunI'm trying to flash my n800 under Fedora 7, but flasher is stuck at "Suitable USB device not found, waiting"18:28
vbraunrunning strace, it seems to search under /dev/bus/usb/00*/* but the n800 does not show up there.18:32
florianvbraun: turn it off and on again... you need to be in bootloader for flashing18:32
vbraunit is listed in /proc/bus/usb/00*/*18:32
vbraunI turned in on with home button, its showing the "NOKIA" screen with the usb symbol in the corner right now.18:32
florianDo you have procbususb mounted on /proc/bus/usb?18:34
vbraunonly proc on /proc type proc (rw)18:34
florianah, then mount that usb stuff in there18:35
vbraunis there a procbususb in 2.6.21?18:35
florianvbraun: i guess so18:37
vbraunNot on fedora, apparently18:37
vbraunI flashed with fedora core 6 previously, and that worked18:38
florianiirc it is not used per default in some distributions anymore... maybe you need to load a module.18:38
vbraunbut the flasher looks into /dev/bus/usb/00*/*18:40
vbraunso if anything it needs something mounted under /dev18:40
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vbraunor maybe some udev rule to create the usb entry?18:40
chunowhi18:40
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vbraunok, flashing now after really ugly hack: mv /dev/bus/usb /dev/bus/usb-old && ln -s /proc/bus/usb /dev/bus/usb18:43
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egsavageany nokia 770 users around ? was wondering about RAM18:48
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Fatali'm online from my 770 atm18:50
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inzvbraun, can you do: mount procbususb /proc/bus/usb -t usbfs18:53
inzerm18:53
inzsorry, my bad18:53
inzflasher works for me, and my computer uses /proc/bus/usb (not /dev/bus/usb)18:54
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vbraun[root@carrot bus]# mount procbususb /proc/bus/usb -t usbfs19:07
vbraunmount: procbususb already mounted or /proc/bus/usb busy19:07
vbraun(for the record)19:07
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vbrauninz: are you using Fedora 7?19:09
inzvbraun, nope, ubuntu dapper19:09
inzThe path comes from libusb, so I'm guessing Fedora is broken19:12
vbraun"mount  -t usbfs none /dev/bus/usb" works19:12
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vbraunEither fedora is broken or /dev/bus/usb is depreciated and should be somewhere in /sys19:13
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vbrauntrying to find out which ;-)19:13
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keesjwhere can i download that plankton ting?19:15
keesjthing19:15
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Mikhohmm, glade looks like a sensible choice for creating UI:s for maemo. Does anybody have experience on that?19:33
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dragornLook at the maemo dev wiki and see if there are libglade methods for handling the hildon bits19:40
dragornotherwise, yes, presumably as long as you have libglade and xml support on the device it'll work19:40
dragornI usually just build my gtk interfaces in code, but I'm ornery like that19:40
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Mikhohmm, my scratchbox has libglade2 but not libglade319:42
Mikhooh, libglade is 2.0 at max, but glade itself is 319:44
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Presence_hey guys...were can I get a good busybox with ping that doesnt segfault when I "ps"19:49
Presence_I have busybox_1.01-4.osso10-ipv6.etc1_armel I dont care about ipv619:50
suihkulokkiyou can build a separate ping app19:50
Presence_I dont have a sandbox to compile in :(19:51
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Presence_hmm...stopped segfaulting19:53
Presence_anyone had luck with WPA using cisco LEAP?19:53
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Presence_how do you move apps that installed without asking you where?20:06
Presence_(I want my xterm out of "extras")20:06
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killfilldamn.. i forgot to backup my repos before flashing.. :S20:09
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inzpres, controlpanel / navigation -> organize20:10
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Presence_cool20:11
killfillthe skye client is cool..20:11
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killfillis there a new SIP client around?..20:12
Presence_hmm...no "navigation" icon20:13
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trevarth1nOK, so I found a name for my ukmp knock off. I'm calling it Kagu Media Player. The mascot is a kagu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagu   And if K.A.G.U. was an acronym (I don't think it is), it would stand for Kagu Ardently Granulates Ukmp, because Kagu is a rewrite of ukmp with a heavy focus on object oriented design.20:13
trevarth1nAnd now, I'm renaming my svn repo and having done with it. :) Too much thinking about recursive acronyms and stupid birds.20:14
Presence_ah, task navigtor20:14
disqmmm, nice20:16
disqbtw, please add maemoscrobbler support? :P20:16
disqi've been playing with ukmp, it's supposed to be 5 minutes of work but looks like it's going to take longer, missing some data structures here and there20:17
trevarth1nukmp? missing data structures? huh?20:18
trevarth1nThis ukmp? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp/20:19
killfillisnt there a link for "click here to add all apr repositories"?.. :P20:19
disqwhat kind of person keeps the songlist with prepended track numbers20:20
trevarth1ndisq: why does it matter? :)20:20
disqsubmitting the current playing track/artist/album via dbus, it does :)20:21
Presence_can you increase the ram in the 770?20:21
gomiamkillfill: there _is_ a link that adds some repositories :-P20:21
Presence_I put a 2G mmc in...but its just storage20:21
gomiam(actually, it's a maemo package available through the application manager)20:22
disqso i'm making a songlist_clean[] array. not a clean approach but i'll try that first20:22
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killfillgomiam: really?.. where? :P20:22
* gomiam checks...20:22
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trevarth1ndisq: Is this ukmp related work? If so, you might want to play with Kongu, it's got a much cleaner object system. Might save you a lot of time.20:22
trevarth1nerr.... kagu20:23
trevarth1ncan't remember my own player's name.20:23
disq:) kongo.20:23
trevarth1nyeah. :)20:23
trevarth1nlet me know if you want a tar.gz.20:23
disqjust adding maemoscrobbler support, to test how the api works etc mostly. i might also submit a patch if i get the hang of it20:24
disqi do :)20:24
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gomiamkillfill: look for maemo-repository20:24
trevarth1nFirst, do you have python 2.5?20:24
gomiamit's available at the mistral free packages from maemo20:24
disqbtw, any idea how the song length/position is reported from gst? the integers are awfully big (11650612244 and 233000000000, etc)20:24
gomiamthen again, you can use my sources.list (I hope you are using n800)20:25
disqyeah i have 2.520:25
gomiamhttp://educa.feyts.uva.es/~magao/sources.list20:25
gomiamit's an oldish copy20:25
trevarth1ndisq: not sure yet. kagu is a mplayer frontend in it's current state, though I plan to add gst support shortly.20:25
gomiambut it might a good place to start20:25
Presence_anyone have luck using a windows box for ip connectivity?20:25
trevarth1nok. kagu requires 2.5. Hang on for a URL.20:25
gomiamPresence_: through USB? through WiFi?20:26
Presence_well, it appears that it doesnt support cisco LEAP on wifi.20:26
Presence_I dont know how I could get IP through USB...20:26
killfillmaemo-repository?..20:26
gomiamkillfill: forget about that package. It's a mistral free package at repository.maemo.org20:27
gomiamor don't forget about it20:27
gomiamit will add a few extra repositories20:27
killfillmistral wants an old version of maemo?20:27
gomiamnope20:27
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gomiamit works perfectly on N800+IT 200720:27
killfillhm.. /me confused20:27
gomiamPresence_: IP over USB requires developer-mode, IIRC20:28
killfillwell.. ill just stick your sources.list in here.. :)20:28
killfillthanks!20:28
gomiamhttp://educa.feyts.uva.es/~magao/sources.list20:28
gomiamit's there20:28
killfillyup greate20:28
gomiamif I drop it here I'll be flood-disconnected20:28
killfillill goto lunch20:28
killfillbrb20:28
gomiambye20:28
Presence_I wanted IP over bluetooth...and there are docs on it...but the commands tell me "protocol not supported"20:28
Presence_its like I dont have the proper module loaded20:29
gomiam?20:29
gomiamI guess I can't help there. I'm using WiFi through and through.20:29
Presence_I use wifi at home with WPA2 PSK...but here I need Leap20:30
disqtrevarth1n: found it, dividing the gst_time to gst.MSECOND gives you time in miliseconds20:30
disqor gst.SECOND for seconds20:30
gomiamPresence_: mmm... you have a Bluetooth enabled computer that isn't a laptop, perhaps?20:30
Presence_it is a laptop.20:30
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Presence_I can find it when I search...20:31
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gomiamand how does that laptop connect to Internet? Over WiFi?20:31
Presence_over either cable or wifi...here I use rj4520:32
trevarthandisq: cool, I'll keep that in mind.20:32
gomiamPresence_: you may want to share your cable connection through the WiFi interface20:32
gomiamI have done that sometimes.20:33
Presence_ah, I see...set up wifi ad-hoc20:33
gomiamPresence_: or even as a host, if your laptop's WiFi cards allows you to.20:33
gomiams/host/access point/20:33
infobotgomiam meant: Presence_: or even as a access point, if your laptop's WiFi cards allows you to.20:33
gomiammy USB ZD1211 WiFi card's software lets me set up an AP20:34
Presence_they might detect it as a rogue...but since Im on the security teammm.20:34
Presence_bt would be better20:34
Presence_I have a cisco card that will do pretty much everything20:34
gomiamrogue? No problem. Just don't advertise it :-)20:34
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fuelfiveis there a way to get the WLAN id from the command line?20:34
gomiamwlan id?20:34
gomiamas in the ESSID?20:34
gomiamor do you mean the wlan interface name?20:35
fuelfivethe number that Nokia uses as a serial number20:35
fuelfiveunder the battery20:35
fuelfivealso visible in system info20:35
gomiamoh, yes20:35
gomiam/sbin/ifconfig -a wlan020:35
gomiamof course, you need to prune the data a bit :-)20:36
fuelfivehehe, thanks :) testing it now20:36
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gomiamscript line to get it:20:38
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gomiamifconfig -a wlan0|grep HW|cut -f2- -dH|cut -f2 -d\20:39
gomiamthere's a space character after d\20:39
gomiamit's a bit convoluted, but it will do the work20:39
gomiamsince I don't remember whether there's sed in the N80020:39
fuelfiveneat thanks20:39
fuelfivethis saves me a regexp in python20:39
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gomiameven shorter, since _there is_ sed in N80020:41
gomiam/sbin/ifconfig -a |grep HW|sed -e "s/.*HWaddr //"20:41
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fuelfiveexcellent20:42
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gomiamthen again, since Python has regexp's, you may want to use them inside Python and not as part of a shellscript.20:42
fuelfiveI have to call commands.getstatusoutput("...") anyway, so I may as well make it one line20:42
* gomiam checks whether there's a file with the information about the netcard...20:42
fuelfiveit's cool, this works great20:43
gomiamno problem, I'm just curious :-)20:43
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gomiamI need to buy a Bt keyboard soon20:43
gomiamthe virtual kbd gets old quicly20:43
fuelfiveI just use ssh from my main machine20:44
gomiams/ly/kly/20:44
infobotgomiam meant: the virtual kbd gets old quickly20:44
fuelfiveso its not so bad20:44
gomiamthat's what I'm doing _now_ :-D20:44
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fuelfiveyeah, bt would make some stuff easier, specifically when I'm off the grid20:44
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Presence_so the 800 is alot better huh?  I got the 770 because it was like $15920:49
gomiamPresence_: well, the N800 has double the processor speed (and a FP math coprocessor), double the RAM double the inner Flash, two SD slots (which now support up to 8GB)20:49
gomiamyeah, you could say it's a bit better ;-)20:50
Presence_but alot more expensive :)20:50
gomiamtrue, true20:50
trevarthandisq: (and anyone else who wants the latest version of kagu) http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz20:50
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Presence_I wish I could increase the ram in this thing though20:50
gomiamkillfill: ok, I found where in /sys lis the WiFi MAC20:51
trevarthandisq: I think it's free of memory leaks right now, but it still has a very large memory footprint. I hope to reduce that in the near future. You'll need mplayer and python 2.5 to run it, then: `cd kagu-dist; ./kagu-scanner.py; ./kagu.py`20:52
gomiam/sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/cal_mac_address20:52
gomiamfuelfive: /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/cal_mac_address  has the MAC address of your WiFi card.20:52
trevarthana2dp?20:52
_Monkeyi think a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :)20:52
||cwyeh but the n800 is only a little more expensive that the 770 was when it was new20:52
trevarthandisq: if you want a2dp support, follow the instruction on that page above first, then it should just work automatically in kagu.20:53
fuelfivewow20:53
fuelfivenice find gomiam20:53
gomiamO:-)20:53
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gomiamcuriosity killed the cat, satisfaction brought him back.20:53
trevarthankagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz20:55
trevarthankagu?20:55
_Monkeysomebody said kagu was not ukmp! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagu20:55
trevarthanforget kagu20:55
_Monkeytrevarthan: I forgot kagu20:55
trevarthankagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz20:55
trevarthankagu?20:55
_Monkeyit has been said that kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz20:55
trevarthangood monkey.20:56
trevarthanbadmonkey?20:56
_Monkeybadmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit!20:56
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gomiamermm... where does Maemo store the wireless LAN information?20:56
gomiam(AP names, WEP keys and the like)20:56
trevarthangoodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit.20:56
fuelfiveI think it's gconf20:56
trevarthangoodmonkey?20:56
_Monkeygoodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit.20:56
fuelfiveer, in gconf20:56
fuelfivebut you can always do iwlist wlan0 scanning20:57
gomiamthat won't give me the WEP keys I fear :-)20:57
fuelfivetrue true20:57
trevarthanforget a2dp20:57
_Monkeytrevarthan: I forgot a2dp20:57
fuelfivegconf stores it, although I don't understand the format of the WPA keys20:57
trevarthana2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu.20:58
trevarthana2dp?20:58
_Monkeyi guess a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu.20:58
trevarthangoodmonkey20:58
_Monkeygoodmonkey is probably a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit.20:58
Presence_I wish the 770 used SD cards, I have a buttload of them21:00
disqtrevarthan: album_cache.tga reading thingy needs exception handling. any albumcache image i could use?21:01
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trevarthandisq: kagu-scanner.py generates albumcache.tga.21:05
trevarthanyou should run kagu-scanner.py first.21:05
disqok ;)21:05
trevarthanalso, for the time being, I think your current working directory needs to be kagu-dist, otherwise the module imports will probably fail. I'll make that more robust when I release a .deb.21:06
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disqinterested in UnicodeEncodeErrors? :)21:07
trevarthanscared of them, yes.21:07
trevarthanpython is a real pain in the rear when it comes to unicode.21:08
trevarthandisq: what is your locale set to?21:08
disqen_GB, and LC_TIME is de_DE21:09
disqhttp://pastebin.com/94515621:10
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trevarthanpastebin is slow.....21:10
disqvery21:11
trevarthandisq: still not pulling up. try pastebin.ca maybe?21:11
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trevarthannm. it came up21:12
disqtry this: http://pastebin.ca/61091821:12
disqah ok21:12
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trevarthandisq: I'm not 100% sure how to fix that error. Probably replacing params with params.encode('ascii','ignore') would be the first thing I'd try.21:13
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trevarthanI don't have many unicode albums, unfortunately, so testing is difficult for me.21:15
disqtrying :)21:15
disqtxdata = urllib.urlencode(params.encode('ascii', 'ignore'))21:16
disqAttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'encode'21:16
disqanyway i'll play with it some more21:16
trevarthanI think python is retarded for not handling ascii conversions more cleverly without throwing exceptions. I welcome any patches you might have for that.21:16
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trevarthanDoes anyone know of a free, easy to use SVN and Trac hosting solution? I don't like maemo garage because it uses cvsview instead of trac...21:21
disqget ferenc to install trac? :P21:22
jumpula:)21:22
disqtrevarthan: params = {'q':imageSearch.encode('ascii', 'ignore')} work, but then you have to also convert album art files to ascii because "image = pygame.image.load(self.art_path)" fails. converting art_path to ascii could work but you also have to actually save the covers as ascii. you know the code best, should be much quicker21:24
Presence_hmm...I need to find multi-player "hunt" for the n770 :)21:26
Presence_Man, I cant believe that verizon is expecting me to pay $59/month for data through my phone21:27
joshinHow can I disable (or better control) the power savings mode that turns off the backlight and screen?  When connected to AC, I want the screen to stay on.21:27
Presence_$44.99 for data, $15 for tether21:27
trevarthandisq: actually, I have no idea what is best as I don't have the problem here. Send me a patch that works for you and I'll apply it. I think the root of the problem is that urllib doesn't like unicode. So if you convert a copy of it and pass it to urllib, that might be ok.21:28
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trevarthanUsually the file system, pygame, and sqlite3 won't have any problem with unicode. It's usually just print statements and other libraries that choke.21:29
disqjoshin: download acmonitor from here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages21:30
joshinThanks disq!21:30
disqurllib having problems with unicode really sucks. so much stuff is utf8 nowadays on the internet21:31
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trevarthanI know. I'm really disgusted with that aspect of python.21:31
trevarthanI think ultimately I'm going to have to either have programmers in other locales fix the problems for me, or else start collecting sample albums from foreign locales so I can fix it myself...21:32
killfillgomiam: hey you there?21:33
trevarthanI'd prefer to do the former.... no time for the latter right now, really.21:33
killfillguys.. how do i become root?.. sudo -s doesnt seem to work..21:34
killfillim trying to copy gomiam's sources.list in my device..21:34
derfhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot21:34
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Presence_sudo su - when you use the howdoibecomeroot2 script21:35
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derfI just always run in R&D mode.21:35
Presence_heh21:35
_Shurik_hello maemen and maewomen21:35
Presence_what keyboards are you guys using?21:36
Presence_and what usb devices are you finding to be useful21:36
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killfillhm.. i need sshd..21:37
Presence_onscreen is ok until you open xterm :)21:37
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Presence_there is both dropbear and openssh21:37
_Shurik_indeed21:37
Presence_I use dropbear even though I was an openssh dev (less space required)21:37
_Shurik_well, It just seems like extra keyboard are just going to be clumsy21:37
_Shurik_unless there was something really small that can be part of the case21:38
derfI wouldn't want to lug one around, and certainly wouldn't want to pay $100 for the privelege.21:38
_Shurik_but now a keybard-case that I'm screaming about for a while now... that would be nice21:39
_Shurik_we will never have one though pretty sure21:39
Presence_sshing into it would be fine, but there are problems 1) Not always having an IP, 2) not wanting to drag a pc along, and 3) you dont have gui access to the device21:39
killfillcannot find any sshd for n800 ..:S21:39
_Shurik_now, crazy thing but I can't get Xterm installed on the latest firmware21:39
_Shurik_well, libcurses5 actually21:40
_Shurik_pretty sure that I'm just doing something wrong21:40
_Shurik_is there single file install for xterm somewhere?21:40
Presence_yeah21:41
Presence_xterm-osso21:41
killfillhm.. ssh root@ip  <--- whats the default pass?..21:42
derfrootme21:42
jumpulafor the device?21:42
jumpularootme, yes21:42
killfillaah :)21:42
derfNot as fun as "toor" or just "root", but good enough.21:42
jumpularoot me, my friend / root me again21:42
killfilljeje21:42
killfillhey guys.. isnt there a sip cliente around?.. (wihtouth counting gizmo)21:44
_Shurik_just use skype :-D21:44
killfillyah works grate btw.. just tried it.21:44
killfillbut i with to use my pbx.. :)21:44
Presence_hahah21:45
Presence_asterix for n80021:45
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disqtrevarthan: this works: http://pastebin.ca/61099321:53
disqboth with utf8 album names and covers inside utf8 dirs (image.load doesn't like utf8 filenames so i skip them for now)21:54
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sbaturzioAloha!22:17
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joshinderf: Thanks for acmonitor!22:32
maddlersbaturzio!!!22:34
sbaturziomaddler: ciao!22:34
derfjoshin: Yer welcome.22:34
disqmaddler! :P22:34
maddlerdisq?22:34
joshinNow I just need to find a full screen clock and I can use my 770 as a clock radio (like the chumby).22:34
vims0r*fg*22:35
vims0rmaemo chron22:35
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Presence_is there a moo 2 for the 770 yet?22:47
Mikhomoo2 for 770 whaat?22:49
Presence_moo2 for the n770 :)22:49
_Shurik_is that compatible with bark 1.4?22:49
Presence_if there is star control 2, moo2 cant be behind22:49
Presence_not far behind22:49
_Shurik_oh22:50
Mikhosc2 ftw!22:50
_Shurik_:)22:50
Presence_noone likes sc2?22:50
_Shurik_I haven't tried it yet... how's it on n800?22:50
Mikhoeveryone likes sc2!22:50
roopeI loved sc2 two-player combat mode. :)22:50
_Shurik_I liked it in the past... nowdays I get horrified when that much time of gameplay is involved22:50
_Shurik_I can't get past pacman...22:50
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Presence_there is pacman for the 770?22:52
_Shurik_yes, but you have to load NES emulator :)22:53
_Shurik_bomberman is the game I love playing though22:53
_Shurik_ah the memories of nights spent with that game22:53
Presence_hmm, shows as n80022:55
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* pupnik_ shoops da woop23:09
Presence_where can I get libasound2?23:10
_Shurik_unable to translate23:10
pupnik_Presence_, roope nice to see SC2 fans here23:11
pupnik_Ur-Quan masters now runs reasonably fast on the 770, with .MOD music23:12
Presence_I love sc223:12
Presence_well, I need to find it then :)23:12
pupnik_can you help test combat tweaks?23:12
pupnik_and button placement?23:13
Presence_I probably can...but I havent played it in 10 years...23:13
_Shurik_mmmm, mod music23:14
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_Shurik_how is it like on n800?23:14
pupnik_i haven't tried it with the remix23:14
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pupnik_don't know.  knottori did a straight compile of it and it supposedly is playable23:15
pupnik_https://garage.maemo.org/projects/uqm23:15
pupnik_but there will be a new version coming soon23:15
_Shurik_pupnik_: how are you constantly are able to squeeze yet another drop of performance? :)23:15
_Shurik_... 3 years later: pupnik_: okay guys, Doom3 is now playable at 30fps on n80023:16
Presence_I cant seem be be able to find libasound223:16
pupnik_There are a lot of things that can be done.  Most PC SDL games (open source) are not optimized23:17
pupnik_i will look Presence_23:17
_Shurik_pretty impressive23:17
pupnik_Well i haven't done that much really23:18
_Shurik_I'm really looking forward getting into a bit of maemo coding. Just always one more little project here and there left before I can start exploring...23:18
Presence_is there a windows based sandbox?  I seriously doubt there is a sparc based one23:18
_Shurik_windows? vmware -> linux -> scratchbox23:19
Presence_hehe23:19
Presence_that sucks :)23:19
Presence_maybe Ill load colinux23:19
_Shurik_well... I'm yet to try to install it on Fedora 723:19
Presence_I have gentoo on colinux23:20
pupnik_what do you need asound for Presence_ ?23:20
_Shurik_I'm not very fluent in *nux word unfortunately, so it will be somewhat fun23:20
Presence_Im a unix guy at heart stuck with windows as a desktop23:20
Presence_pup: It was some audio app I wanted...but after reading it, its so incomplete, its pointless to install23:21
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Presence_so which SC2do I want23:21
Presence_the xsp broken version or the other23:22
Presence_hell, I need a binary23:22
pupnik_for N800 grab konttori's version23:22
Presence_its n77023:22
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pupnik_for n770 i'll get a new version up .. eh.  soon23:22
pupnik_i fixed the xsp doubling a while back23:22
pupnik_i really want to finish the onscreen buttons so we can start testing real gameplay (especially combat)23:23
Presence_is it worth it to get the 770 to boot from mmc?23:23
_Shurik_I guess that's to install programs from MMC?23:23
pupnik_i don't know.  i haven't23:24
pupnik_for big games, the data goes to mmc and the executable goes onto the root fs23:24
Presence_they say its 2x faster23:24
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_Shurik_we need a BT game controller23:25
Presence_there are usb ones23:25
derfFor me the MMC slot has been pretty unreliable.23:25
_Shurik_it's just masachistic to play on the tablet's buttons23:25
Presence_logitech makes some really decent ones23:25
derfIt regularly just loses the whole card.23:25
Presence_derf: thats unacceptable23:26
derfPresence_: No joke.23:26
_Shurik_derf: oh yeah? I've seen some weirdness with new update, but then again seems to be alright23:26
derf_Shurik_: The new update made it _better_.23:26
_Shurik_and I have a 8 gig Patriot card in there23:26
derfWell, new as in 3 months ago.23:26
_Shurik_really? I didn't see any problems with HCSD kernel23:26
_Shurik_the only problem so far is that n800 "lost" card after I transferred bunch of stuff via usb on it23:28
_Shurik_but I just took it out, and rebooted23:28
_Shurik_plus I think this is because it was trying to re-read it's contents and I interrupted it23:28
derf_Shurik_: Right, well, Maemo Mapper can trigger that same behavior.23:28
_Shurik_hm, haven't seen that yet honestly23:29
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Presence_I bought a 2G MMC card...Im hoping that I dont have to mod the kernel to get it to work :)23:29
_Shurik_I can't wait till mapper2 comes out23:29
_Shurik_that jpg crap gotta go23:29
derfMapper2?23:29
_Shurik_Maemo Mapper 2.023:29
_Shurik_suppose to be database driven23:29
derfI should talk to John more often.23:29
derfHe sits downstairs.23:30
Presence_does minimo let you set a proxy?23:30
_Shurik_I actually never gotten into minimo. It's incomplete as far as usability goes23:30
Presence_I cant set a proxy with the default opera :(23:31
_Shurik_and opera was able to do all that I need to get done on the tablet23:31
_Shurik_proxies are overrated, just connect directly :-D23:31
Presence_I wanna tunnel the http packets over ssh :)23:31
Presence_for personal reasons23:31
_Shurik_sneaky sneaky23:31
_Shurik_see, I would too, but I can't get wifi reach the bathroom23:32
_Shurik_*kidding*23:32
Presence_hahah23:32
suihkulokkiPresence_: set the proxy in connectivity settings for your current connection23:32
Presence_if I could get the wifi to work with LEAP I would be set23:32
Presence_hmm23:32
Presence_just dup this connection, and then set a proxy on the second...good idea23:32
Presence_so where can one download the scratchbox for armel?23:33
pupnik_scratchbox?23:33
pupnik_(that was to test if the bot had it stored)23:34
Presence_to cross compile code to armel23:34
Presence_ah23:34
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pupnik_www.scratchbox.org has howtos, Presence_23:43
Presence_Im looking now :)23:43
pupnik_look at a recent scratchbox howto (> 1.x)23:44
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Presence_Im only seeing 1.0 :)23:47
V-I-Pwould a Nokia Internet Tablet display my blog http://www.dieweisheit.de correct ? I heard handheld devices have trouble with dynamic content...23:47
FatalV-I-P: if it doesn't work w/o javascript, you really need to rethink it23:48
derfHalf the web doesn't work without javascript anymore.23:49
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V-I-Pits wordpress, and I think it uses ajax...23:49
_Shurik_well let's see23:49
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_Shurik_oh nevermind, my wifi router is unplugged... I don't want to go into the server room now23:50
V-I-Pthanx, anyway...23:50
_Shurik_I actually don't think that ajax is all that great, yet23:50
_Shurik_I'd rather see lightning fast html instead23:50
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V-I-Pbut its interactive and fancy :)23:51
_Shurik_in couple of years bandwidth is going to be outrageous so won't matter23:51
_Shurik_sure, but sites, especially with high traffic, just absolutely must do both23:51
_Shurik_gmail has either version for example23:51
_Shurik_but I have no problem with ajax gmail so I don't care23:51
Presence_so there is no way to upgrade the flash in the 770 (memory wize...)?23:53
_Shurik_memory-wise?23:54
Presence_yeah23:54
_Shurik_what do you mean?23:54
Presence_I want to have more storage and more operating ram :)23:54
_Shurik_ah... crap.. I'm thinking Flash as in Macromedia :-D23:54
Presence_I can boot from mmc to get more storage, but people are saying its kinda um...glitchy23:54
trevarthandisq: I set up an svn checkout url for kagu here: https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk23:55
Presence_I want to use this for pdfs for my dnd game, but the books are huge :P23:55
trevarthanIf you want, I'll be happy to give to commit access.23:55
disqthanks but not for now :) i'll keep an eye on the changes though23:56
trevarthantrac repo is here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/timeline23:56
_Shurik_well, I don't know23:56
_Shurik_I have n80023:56
pupnik_i don't run many apps on the 770.  Usually an xterm + one other app23:56
Presence_Im ok with 1 at a time23:57
Presence_heh23:57
pupnik_so memory is fine.  And after deleting some uneeded stuff i have plenty of room for all my programs23:57
_Shurik_it's like throwing away tools from a toolbox in the garage :(((23:57
Presence_I have installed alot of crap23:57
_Shurik_Aaa, this cracked LCD wallpaper on my laptop is freaking me out23:58
pupnik_yeah after a while i found what i didn't really want23:58
_Shurik_I agree. After all, tablet is really a very specific tool23:58
_Shurik_it's not a crap storage23:58
_Shurik_and it's specific for everyone23:59
Presence_Well23:59
Presence_I bought it because I wanted to have a portable pc to browse with (instead of walking to the desktop or notebook)23:59
trevarthandisq: do you have any idea which album it was choking on? Can you give me some sample data so I can reproduce it?23:59
Presence_but I do want it to be private :)23:59
Presence_I dont care about music or videos or any of that crap23:59

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