IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-07-02

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Niacin	having problems with pppd	00:00
Niacin	anyone know whats the story with syslog on the 770?	00:00
jpt9	found it. doesn't seem to be on the small keyboard...	00:00
* pupnik hasn't looked into logging		00:01
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milhouse	Niacin: go on, give us a clue...	00:02
ericz	fceu rocks.	00:02
milhouse	syslog works fine on the 770 as far as I can recall	00:02
Niacin	eh i dont even see it runing	00:03
milhouse	try starting it manually	00:04
milhouse	with /etc/init.d/syslog start (probably)	00:04
milhouse	or syslogd instead of syslog	00:04
Niacin	yea its aliased in /mnt/initfs/bin...	00:05
Niacin	to busybox	00:05
Niacin	but busybox doesnt see it	00:05
milhouse	did you install syslog?	00:05
milhouse	apt-get install syslog (i think)	00:06
Niacin	hmm i dont think its a package ;)	00:07
milhouse	it is	00:07
milhouse	maybe not syslog - try syslogd	00:07
milhouse	am just doing some checks to see if you need a special repository	00:08
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milhouse	"apt-get install syslogd" should do the trick	00:09
Niacin	its not a package	00:09
Niacin	E: Couldn't find package syslogd	00:09
milhouse	hmmm	00:09
Niacin	what catalog addresses you have?	00:09
milhouse	i just checked it on an n800, i installed syslog _ages_ ago on my 770	00:10
milhouse	but it's not to hand right now	00:10
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Niacin	;\	00:10
sbaturzio	Aloha!	00:10
Niacin	is there a better cmd then apt-cache search syslog ?	00:11
Niacin	like yum provides syslogd ? hhe	00:11
Niacin	heh	00:11
milhouse	obviously searching the new and improved maemo.org for information is a complete waste of time now - zero hits for "syslog" in mail archives	00:14
milhouse	:(	00:14
milhouse	Niacin: http://repository.maemo.org gregale free non-free	00:18
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Niacin	great thanks man	00:19
Niacin	worked	00:19
milhouse	cool	00:20
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ericz	can i add a line in /etc/sudoers so that i can sudo from xterm with 'user' ?	00:26
ericz	or would that break anything?	00:27
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jpt9	hey	00:29
jpt9	i found the user dictionary	00:29
jpt9	~/.osso/hildon-input-method/.personal.dictionary	00:29
jpt9	i have no clue what format the file is in, though...	00:29
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jpt9	any ideas?	00:30
milhouse	i suppose you could try deleting/zapping the files to see if you can start from scratch, but editing looks a bit tricky	00:32
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milhouse	iPhone processor details - it's a nippy bastard: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/01/iphone-processor-found-620mhz-arm	00:34
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milhouse	still don't know how the iPhone with that CPU can eek out 6 hours on WiFi	00:35
milhouse	when the N800 can manage only 4 hours	00:35
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milhouse	does that mean the iPhone has a much bigger battery (I'd buy a bigger battery for my N800 if one was available!) or that Nokia can do more to improve power management in OS 2007?	00:35
gla55_	milhouse: on wifi doing what?	00:36
milhouse	ah, that's the question i suppose	00:36
gla55_	theres also things like.. different screen	00:37
milhouse	me, surfing wikipedia (so far more reading than downloading) leads to about 4 and a bit hours of usage from a fresh charge	00:37
milhouse	i suspect the backlight sucks up a lot of juice, a small amount of cpu for scrolling and page loading, then the rest on wifi?	00:38
pupnik	must have brightness on high	00:38
milhouse	75%	00:38
pupnik	on lowest brightness i was getting 8-10 hours	00:38
milhouse	i could try it lower i guess	00:38
milhouse	but still, the announced iPhone figures seem quite impressive but without context it's hard to compare	00:38
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* pupnik will always be a Tablet guy, and if a cellfone is necessary it will be the cheapest POS available		00:40
gla55_	depends on wifi environment too you know	00:40
milhouse	yeah, will be interesting to find out some "real life" performance figures over the coming weeks	00:41
milhouse	I hope they _are_ good figures, as it means that Nokia can improve	00:41
ericz	AH! i keep opening my browser, and before the page even comes up, it closes..	00:42
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pupnik	http://www.floridatreasure.net/pictures/ppics/iphoneboy.jpg	00:43
pupnik	nice - bloom county is back (iphone comic)	00:43
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ericz	...what do i do	00:44
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padrino	without putting a full toolchain together I am having a hard time finding libXmu.so.6 for my n770 (OS 2006). Could someone please point me to a binary?	00:45
pupnik	apt-get install libxmu6 ?	00:46
ericz	what's up with my browser	00:47
pupnik	oh nm - i have it compiled here padrino	00:47
ericz	im connected, i've rebooted	00:47
ericz	it keeps closing	00:47
ericz	what can i do	00:47
milhouse	ericz - anything in dmesg?	00:48
ericz	uh, i just unplugged the charger	00:49
ericz	and now it works?	00:49
ericz	coincidence, i bet	00:49
ericz	man, this thing is too weird, its working now.. no reason	00:50
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ericz	whats the command in xterm to run the browser manually?	00:51
ericz	and will that output errors, if it happens again?	00:51
pupnik	good question	00:51
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pupnik	browser.launch segfaults here and browser does nothing	00:54
padrino	pupnik, can you DCC, email, or send via another method you prefer?	00:56
pupnik	apt-cache search libxmu shows libxmu6 on my N770 with IT2007HE	00:56
pupnik	padrino: you should be able to run "apt-get install libxmu6"	00:57
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Xenon3DN	Booga booga.	00:57
Xenon3DN	Anyone know where to find the smbfs support for the 770 that smbbrowser requires?	00:58
Xenon3DN	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/smbbrowser/	00:58
padrino	pupnik, I have all repos listed on Maemo along with a couple of other 3rd party ones and it is not in any of them.	00:58
pupnik	what OS?	00:59
padrino	padrino, I have found it in 2007 and I see some software that uses it in 2006 but I haven't found the library via a deb or standalone	00:59
padrino	pupnik, 2006	00:59
pupnik	it2006/mistral?	00:59
padrino	pupnik, yes, using the rev it came with.	00:59
pupnik	:(	01:00
padrino	pupnik, should I upgrade? I took a look yesterday but didn't see a real beenfit in using HE.	01:01
pupnik	ah it's... well i dunno...	01:01
padrino	(only had the device one day)	01:01
pupnik	i'm looking at my libxmu and will see if i can make a deb for you	01:01
Xenon3DN	I'm in the same boat, padrino. You buys yours from buy.com?	01:02
padrino	Xenon3DN, Woot..	01:02
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Xenon3DN	Ahh. Think they both got stock of them at the same time.	01:03
padrino	pupnik, I'll take just the library..	01:03
padrino	pupnik, no need to go through the trouble if you don't want to	01:03
pupnik	ah it wants a higher level of debhelper	01:04
Xenon3DN	Has anyone figured out how to mount an SMB filesystem on a 770 under 2006 OS?	01:04
pupnik	hmm dependencies also a problem	01:06
padrino	pupnik, ahh, maybe 2007 isn't a bad idea after all :)	01:07
pupnik	http://pupnik.de/Netrek_0_01_tinyfont.jpg <<-- that game needs libxmu too	01:09
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pupnik	pokute: would you test it for me? i think i've got the dependencies fixed	01:13
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pupnik	http://rapidshare.com/files/40485907/libxmu6_1.0.2-2_armel.deb.html	01:26
pupnik	padrino: sorry got your nick wrong	01:26
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ttuttle	hey.	01:33
pupnik	hiya	01:33
ttuttle	is there a way to make a backup of my 770 that i could reflash to it if i needed, like with all my apps and stuff?	01:34
milhouse	only on to MMC	01:34
pupnik	Can i take a N800 motherboard and drop it in a 770 case?	01:36
padrino	pupnik, trying it now..	01:36
ttuttle	milhouse: but i can't back up apps, just documents, right?	01:37
milhouse	pupnik: too big i'd have thought - you might need to chop off the right hand speaker... ;)	01:37
milhouse	ttuttle: using the standard backup tool, correct	01:37
milhouse	tuttle: if you want to "backup" your apps, the best you can do is dual boot from MMC	01:37
pupnik	stupid question milhouse	01:37
milhouse	however reinstalling apps isn't that difficult if you set up a web page with a list of one-click install links	01:38
pupnik	i'd just love the speed and memory of the n800 on the 770	01:38
milhouse	pupnik - i too miss the 770 form factor and slide-on case :(	01:38
ttuttle	pupnik: mmm yeah... n770 rocks!	01:38
rhys	screen protector?	01:38
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milhouse	i think the N800 is pretty fugly to be honest, the next version needs a serious make over to compete with future devices (inc. the iPhone)	01:39
pupnik	I'm probably going to have grey hairs before someone makes a tablet that will replace my 770	01:39
padrino	pupnik, Thanks.. I had a missing dependency with x11-common but ignoring it got it installed and it works..	01:40
pupnik	ok i'll see if i can remove that - let me know if you run into any other issues, please	01:40
ttuttle	the n800 has second system syndrome... it's overengineered. and ugly. the 770 looks cooler. and i'm not just saying that because i have one ;-)	01:40
pupnik	Well everyone has different priorities but for me the 770 has a classic look that won't be emulated by anything again, imo	01:41
ttuttle	pupnik: exactly!	01:42
pupnik	and i really like how slim it is	01:42
* ttuttle high-fives pupnik.		01:43
Sho_	milhouse: hm, totally different impression here: the n700 was pretty ugly and looking unfinished, like prototype hardware, and the n800 looks rather nice and slick	01:43
pupnik	http://pupnik.de/aliens_nokia_onscreenbuttons.jpg <-- ttuttle, do those onscreen buttons look ok to you?	01:43
rhys	why do you need the n770s flipcovers?	01:43
rhys	whats wrong with a screen protector?	01:43
ttuttle	and wifi kicks the ass of cellular data, especially not 3G. coughiphonecough	01:43
milhouse	Sho_ - I think the N800 looks very dated while the 770 also looked dated it's muted colours and slide on case were quite stylish (industrial, if you will).	01:44
Sho_	milhouse: like I said, I have about the opposite impression here :)	01:44
pupnik	At least they don't look like cheapo korean stuff	01:44
milhouse	rhys: do you own a 770?	01:44
ttuttle	rhys: er, a screen protector is not a solid barrier, and it mars the image.	01:45
rhys	no	01:45
milhouse	sho_ - yeah, it obviously appeals to some but I think Nokia can do much better in future	01:45
ttuttle	Sho_ is just sayingly	01:45
ttuttle	er, sayinged	01:45
ttuttle	ARGH!	01:46
milhouse	rhys - if you had a 770 you'd realise the versatily and function of the case cover - it was so much more than a screen protector	01:46
milhouse	although that was it's primary function of course :)	01:46
Sho_	And isn't the slide-on thingie on the N770 simply annoying?	01:46
ttuttle	saying that because Sho_ has an 800.	01:46
milhouse	no, it was GREAT!	01:46
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milhouse	it put the device into sleep mode and took it out of sleep mode - like magic	01:46
Sho_	ttuttle: Or maybe I have an 800 because the 770 didn't strike my fancy? ;)	01:46
milhouse	:)	01:46
milhouse	My N800 is so much less well protected than my 770	01:47
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rhys	mine is coming tommarow.	01:47
milhouse	770?	01:47
ttuttle	Sho_: maybe you're justifying the higher price to yourself... ;-)	01:47
ttuttle	rhys: congrats!	01:48
rhys	85$ more didnt seem bad for the extra proc, ram and flash, plus flash 7 instead of 6.	01:48
* Sho_ has a protection foil on the display and uses that nice fleece sleeve that came with the n800 and feels adequately protected		01:48
Sho_	ttuttle: IIRC the N770 was about the same when it came out	01:48
rhys	if i dont think its protected enough, out comes the rhino guard.	01:48
Sho_	ttuttle: or even a little more	01:48
Dr_Nunim	the slide case is the best part of the 770.	01:48
pupnik	For me the n900 needs to be a n800 with better dpad, a sliding cover, and buttons on the right (and multi-button pressing)	01:49
milhouse	pupnik: and some style! :)	01:49
Sho_	hm, if it has one of those ugly slide covers (I just hate having multiple parts ..) I'll probably not buy it :)	01:49
pupnik	Oh and better build quality. These mexican n800s are too often having problems	01:49
Dr_Nunim	It's so useful though.	01:49
Dr_Nunim	It's like, oh I'm done for now?	01:49
Sho_	What the hell for? :)	01:49
milhouse	the good thing about the 770 cover was that you didn't have to use it :)	01:49
Dr_Nunim	Slide on cover, instant lock and offline mode.	01:49
pupnik	Sho_: you can leave the slide cover off	01:50
milhouse	it worked perfectly without it	01:50
gomiam	pupnik: what kind of probles?	01:50
gomiam	problems	01:50
gomiam	I have had no physical problems with my N800	01:50
pupnik	this is just from internettablettalk.com forums. Dead areas on screen, other issues. Hard to say if there is really a quality-control problem or not	01:50
pupnik	so don't take this as defaming the n800 please	01:51
gomiam	no problem, pupnik. I'm just curious since I have one and I would like to know what could go wrong with it before it happens :-)	01:51
milhouse	Re: dead areas	01:51
ttuttle	oh- is there a way to disable the auto offline with the lid on?	01:51
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milhouse	I noticed this bug of mine recently got aliased to an internal Nokia bug id: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1069	01:52
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milhouse	which maybe suggests a firmware fix is in the offing	01:52
milhouse	I had to get my N800 screen replaced	01:52
milhouse	due to lack of sensitivity (seems OK so far +2 months on)	01:52
milhouse	ttutle - yes, there's a checkbox in Connections if I recall correctly	01:53
ttuttle	what's the bug?	01:53
milhouse	it's about loss of sensitivity on N800s (read it :) )	01:54
ttuttle	ok	01:54
milhouse	if you check the activity, it was assigned and aliased to Nokia ID #55922 on 28 June	01:54
ttuttle	milhouse: i don't see it.	01:56
milhouse	click the "View Bug Activity" link just above the first comment	01:56
milhouse	oh, the case option? doh	01:57
ttuttle	i meant the lid thing.	01:57
milhouse	yeah, i'm with you now...	01:57
milhouse	erm... it's in their somewhere	01:57
milhouse	maybe check Display (in Control Panel)?	01:57
milhouse	or Connectivity	01:58
ttuttle	milhouse: ah. problem is i'm running hacker, which thinks it's on an n800, which doesn't have the lid.	01:59
VimSi	ttuttle: and your 770 turns into offline-mode when you slid the lid on ?!	02:01
VimSi	slide	02:01
ttuttle	hmm, lemme try.	02:01
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VimSi	because mine doesn't	02:02
ttuttle	well, it turns the screen on and off.	02:02
VimSi	but the connections stay alive, right ?	02:02
Niacin	anyone managed to get bluetooth dun working with their cell phone?	02:02
ttuttle	Niacin: yes	02:03
Niacin	ttuttle: i'm having issues with mine and tmobile.. think you could lend a hand? :)	02:03
Niacin	i think its the ppp script + chatscript	02:03
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Niacin	any chance you can pastebin.ca yours?	02:03
ttuttle	niacin: well i have cingular...	02:03
VimSi	/time	02:04
Niacin	well just a sample of the scripts would be great	02:04
milhouse	ttutle - aha!	02:04
Niacin	im sure i can tweak the tmobile stuff	02:04
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Niacin	what phone are you using?	02:04
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VimSi	gn8	02:04
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milhouse	Niacin - if it's a recent Windows Mobile phone you might be have a few problems...	02:05
gla55_	the automatic gui thingy has works fine with most phones for setting up bt dun..	02:07
gla55_	worked	02:07
gla55_	damn. should go to sleep I suppose.	02:07
milhouse	gla55 - true, but Win Mob 5 AKU3 dropped support for BT DUN entirely	02:08
milhouse	so if it's a WM5 AKU3...	02:08
milhouse	nice... Skype on N800 video http://youtube.com/watch?v=tInERBYH9JE	02:08
Tu13es	anyone know if the N800 has dropped below $360 on Amazon?	02:09
milhouse	arse, I take that back - Skype doesn't appear apart from the logo in the taskbar :(	02:09
milhouse	logo==icon	02:09
milhouse	no i'm wrong again, Skype makes an appearance about 40 seconds into the vid	02:10
gla55_	hehe	02:10
gla55_	nice, nice	02:11
pupnik	they finally ported skype to n800?	02:11
gla55_	yeah	02:11
pupnik	that'll make a lot of people happy	02:11
milhouse	the people demonstrating sound oriental...	02:11
Niacin	na	02:11
milhouse	like Chinese maybe	02:11
Niacin	its a blackberry	02:12
Niacin	and it works fine in windows xp / vista / mac osx	02:12
Niacin	just not my 770	02:12
rhys	wait	02:13
rhys	skype?	02:13
rhys	grr.. i hate skype. im just gonna get everyone to use gizmo.	02:13
milhouse	everyone I know uses Skype	02:14
brlancer	I should have gotten more n770s when I had the chance	02:14
brlancer	at the w00t price	02:14
pupnik	they're gone now?	02:14
milhouse	which is why GoogleTalk is of no value to me whatsoever	02:14
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rhys	milhouse, the few people I know will use gizmo.	02:15
brlancer	milhouse: how does skype generate revenue?	02:15
milhouse	brlancer - a percentage of overseas calls?	02:16
milhouse	and maybe calls to landlines?	02:16
milhouse	i think skype-to-skype is 100% free	02:16
milhouse	people i know run their business over skype...	02:16
Niacin	buy.com has it	02:16
Niacin	http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-770-internet-tablet-internet-tablet-2006-software-edition/q/loc/101/204081472.html	02:16
Niacin	$139	02:16
brlancer	@xmas I had trouble with buy.com sitting on an "in stock" shipment	02:17
brlancer	I ended up ordering it elsewhere and trying to cancel buy.com's--which they "immediately" shipped and I couldn't cancel	02:18
Niacin	rfcomm0: 00:0F:86:A0:54:E2 channel 0 clean	02:19
Niacin	it binds fine... its gotta be the ppp script	02:19
brlancer	the n770 would make a good stereo component for "radio"	02:19
milhouse	Niacin - what phone is it?	02:26
milhouse	more importantly, what OS	02:26
Niacin	blackberry 8700	02:26
milhouse	is on the phone	02:26
milhouse	ah, BB have issues too	02:26
Niacin	works fine one all other OS's	02:26
Niacin	;\	02:26
Niacin	with no drivers... just standard bluetooth DUN	02:26
milhouse	at least, I thought blackberries were a little iffy	02:28
ttuttle	anyone know a good site for tv listings that works well on the 770/800? or an app?	02:28
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milhouse	does the BlackBerry 8700 support Bluetooth DUN?	02:30
ttuttle	is abiword for the 770 stable?	02:30
Dr_Nunim	Anyone know a good UK vendor for the 770?	02:31
Dr_Nunim	The one that someone linked to was out of stock until the 15th.	02:31
Niacin	milhouse not directly... i have an app loaded that gives you dun support	02:32
Niacin	works fine on all OS's i have tried	02:32
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milhouse	Dr Nunim - expansys is the cheapest so far, is that who you mean are out of stock (stock arriving 14 July)	02:33
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Dr_Nunim	Yeah.	02:33
Dr_Nunim	My UK friend wants one after seeing that I got one from woot.	02:34
milhouse	Amazon UK have the 770 in stock for £169 with Nav kit	02:34
Dr_Nunim	First I told him to try here and next buy.com	02:34
Niacin	gonna try on my centos machine	02:34
Dr_Nunim	Buy.com won't ship to the UK for some silly reason.	02:34
milhouse	(it's more expensive WITHOUT the Nav kit!)	02:34
Dr_Nunim	lol	02:34
Dr_Nunim	Yeah but it looses it's budget item value at $169	02:35
milhouse	£169 not $169 :(	02:35
Dr_Nunim	I don't have that key.	02:35
Dr_Nunim	:p	02:35
milhouse	ah, of course	02:35
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Dr_Nunim	I ment that though.	02:35
milhouse	think it would be ALT-something for you :)	02:35
Dr_Nunim	Do you guys have a $ key btw?	02:35
milhouse	‡ê	02:36
milhouse	ALT-0163 :)	02:36
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jpt9	Anyone know a good tv listings site that works well on opera on a n770?	02:38
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KaylaKaze	local or general network?	02:40
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KaylaKaze	(listings, that is)	02:40
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jpt9	local antenna listings	02:41
milhouse	Niacin - your BB issue, are you on Cingular/AT&T?	02:41
jpt9	hopefully something light on graphics	02:41
Dr_Nunim	http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=141019&partner=froogle	02:42
Dr_Nunim	whoops	02:42
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Dr_Nunim	They seem to be a expansys sister company	02:43
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Niacin	milhouse tmobile	02:53
Tu13es	hrm, my n770 doesn't appear to sleep wireless in IT2007HE, any ideas?	02:54
milhouse	ah ok, there's a bug in the Phone Wizard on Cingular connections	02:55
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ttuttle	What does R&D mode do, besides bypass the check on gainroot?	03:09
ttuttle	And the pretty green messages, and the tool icon?	03:09
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ttuttle	Hey, does anyone know where to get syntax highlighting for Vim on the Nokia 770?	03:17
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jpt9	you don't need to get it; just enable it.	03:19
ttuttle	jpt9: Er, no.	03:19
ttuttle	~/MyDocs/Python $ vim test.py	03:19
ttuttle	Error detected while processing /home/user/.vimrc:	03:19
ttuttle	line 3:	03:19
ttuttle	E484: Can't open file /usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/syntax.vim	03:19
ttuttle	Press ENTER or type command to continue	03:19
jpt9	well, huh...	03:20
jpt9	whoops...	03:20
ttuttle	jpt9: Where'd you get your vim package?	03:20
ttuttle	jpt9: Were you running it on your computer, not your N770?	03:20
ttuttle	I can always scp the files from my laptop.	03:20
ttuttle	jpt9: ...?	03:22
jpt9	maemo.org...	03:23
ttuttle	jpt9: Hmm, that's where I got mine. click to install?	03:23
jpt9	i think	03:23
ttuttle	I'll reinstall it.	03:23
jpt9	ok	03:23
* ttuttle loves having a pocket-sized Debian system.		03:23
* jpt9 does too.		03:24
ttuttle	It's so @#$%#$% cool!	03:24
KaylaKaze	is there a better image viewer for 770 than the default?	03:25
ttuttle	Anyone know of a better editor for Python?	03:25
jpt9	i know. we all know :-)	03:25
KaylaKaze	editor for python? you mean a text editor?	03:25
ttuttle	KaylaKaze: Yeah. For Python code that I'm developing on the N770 for the N770 ;-)	03:25
ttuttle	Is this bad? "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `gstreamer0.10-hantro' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed."	03:25
KaylaKaze	well, 1, I'd suggest not using the 770 for writing the code :-P	03:25
ttuttle	KaylaKaze: Over ssh, most likely.	03:26
pupnik	KaylaKaze: why? it's python	03:26
jpt9	what's wrong with vim? it's pretty much the best editor you'll get on the n770 for programming in any language	03:26
ttuttle	jpt9: It's the text input.	03:26
Niacin	damn it	03:26
KaylaKaze	why not just mount a share and edit the file directly with a IDE or good text editor?	03:26
Niacin	im so close to gettin this working	03:26
ttuttle	Is it feasible to install a full toolchain on the N770, anyway?	03:26
ttuttle	KaylaKaze: 'cause Vim is a good text editor, and it works now.	03:26
KaylaKaze	I use nano for text editing on ssy though	03:26
Niacin	http://www.pastebin.ca/599112	03:27
pupnik	i wish the 770 had nfs server	03:27
Niacin	i think that means the chat script is wrong right?	03:27
jpt9	aren't you using ssh? and therefore your laptop's keyboard?	03:27
KaylaKaze	ssh*	03:27
jpt9	or am i missing something?	03:28
ttuttle	jpt9: No, I'm using the laptop, but I might want to use the N770 itself. For example on the bus.	03:28
ttuttle	jpt9: I have a 90 minute commute to and from work, might as well get some coding done :-)	03:28
jpt9	oh.	03:28
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KaylaKaze	yeah, you'll get about 15 minutes worth of normal coding in 90 minutes on the 770	03:29
jpt9	hmm....	03:29
jpt9	lol...	03:29
KaylaKaze	I can't even stand to type a whole mount command on the 770	03:29
ttuttle	KaylaKaze: lol	03:29
jpt9	well, if you use vim's abbreviations...	03:29
ttuttle	KaylaKaze: Maybe I'll write a kickass IDE with autocompletion and stuff.	03:29
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ttuttle	jpt9: Ooh, good idea.	03:29
jpt9	yeah.	03:30
KaylaKaze	so, about that image viewer... is there one?	03:30
jpt9	also, the n770's hwr is simpliwrite... i've used the palm version before.	03:31
ttuttle	jpt9: Ah.	03:31
ttuttle	jpt9: It's pretty good, I think.	03:31
milhouse	KaylaKaze - try Quiver	03:31
pupnik	KaylaKaze: there is a great new one - forgot the name - probably on garage now. i prefer gqview	03:32
jpt9	this is so fun chatting on irc from the living room couch,	03:33
KaylaKaze	downloading quiver...	03:33
KaylaKaze	sweet! Quiver has direct filesystem access	03:36
ttuttle	Python works!	03:37
jpt9	amazing	03:37
KaylaKaze	of course it does	03:38
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ttuttle	Yeah, but it's cool. I can code on the N770!	03:38
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Dr_Nunim	I tried to do some php on mine	03:41
Dr_Nunim	but it took too long.	03:41
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ttuttle_	n770 ftw!	03:42
pupnik	Don't forget scummvm, mplayer...	03:42
pupnik	a few xmame games work great	03:43
unique311	http://youtube.com/watch?v=tInERBYH9JE	03:43
pupnik	hi unique311	03:43
unique311	skype clip	03:43
unique311	whats up?	03:43
pupnik	avoiding anything productive as usual	03:43
KaylaKaze	this quiver may not be bad for comic book viewing	03:47
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KaylaKaze	with a little bit of improved functionality, quiver would be great for comic viewing	03:54
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KaylaKaze	I wonder if they use any special optimized code for file loading or if the same could be accomplished with a normal image load such as in python or gdk	03:58
Dr_Nunim	People bitching about myspace on woot forums must be some idiots.	03:58
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Dr_Nunim	Works fine, slow as it might be due to bad user page layouts.	03:59
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KaylaKaze	cd /media	04:00
KaylaKaze	eek	04:00
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ericz_	gaim must be causing my issues with menus flashing white and closing	04:01
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ericz_	haven't had the issue all day, until now, when i use gaim	04:02
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Niacin	hmm i think i figured out whats wrong	04:09
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Niacin	its binding to the wrong port	04:09
Niacin	eh channel not port	04:09
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KaylaKaze	It'd be nice to be able to replace the default file browser for when a program uses File-Open	04:10
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jga23	what is python osso?	04:18
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ttuttle	Is there any way to check Gmail with POP without making messages disappear?	04:32
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Sulis_	ttuttle: yes, it's all in the gmail setting	04:43
Sulis_	settings	04:44
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ttuttle	Sulis_: hmm. I've had problems with it before.	04:45
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Sulis_	with it deleting messages?	04:45
Sulis_	i've never had that	04:46
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ttuttle	Sulis_: No, they just don't show up in POP after I've fetched them once.	04:46
ttuttle	Sulis_: They aren't deleted or archived.	04:46
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Sulis_	hmm, that doesn't happen for me...	04:47
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KaylaKaze	shit. I broke my cifs connecting	04:47
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Sulis_	ttuttle: there's a setting that says "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)"	04:49
KaylaKaze	and I fixed it. If anyone wants cifs sharing, I've determined it's the "smbbrowser" package that'll do it	04:50
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ttuttle	Sulis_: I don't know if that works. I think it just resets it to show all messages, but they still disappear after you fetch them once.	04:52
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Sulis_	well...it works for me, i always get all the mail that's been sent to me...	04:53
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ttuttle	Is it possible to get the 770 to cause a cell phone to dial a certain number, like if you look it up in Contacts?	05:02
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milhouse	there's an app for that	05:02
ttuttle	milhouse: Oh?	05:03
ttuttle	milhouse: Is it the one that uses gnokii?	05:03
milhouse	can't remember what it's called and... maemo.org/downloads is down :(	05:03
ttuttle	oh :-(	05:03
ttuttle	well, i'm going to bed. g'nite, and thanks to all for the help.	05:05
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* pupnik_ pees on DRM		05:08
milhouse	ttuttle - in case you check back via google... it's called phonelink	05:08
milhouse	take a dump for me too pupnik ;)	05:09
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omnix	Hi	05:10
* Dr_Nunim is thinking of stenciling Che on the cover of his 770.		05:11
omnix	any news on voip for 770?	05:11
omnix	just got Gizmo to work as a sip client for my asterisk box	05:11
omnix	but when i use it to call phones outside my network, i can hear them but they can't hear me	05:11
omnix	what other sip/iax clients are there for maemo?	05:12
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pupnik_	duno	05:15
pupnik_	:)	05:15
Xenon3DN	Still hoping to find someone who knows something about installing smbfs or cifs on 770/2006/mistral.	05:16
KaylaKaze	I've got cifs running	05:16
pupnik_	i never really tried - someone here did	05:16
KaylaKaze	install smbbrowser	05:16
KaylaKaze	then you can use mount -t cifs to mount windows shares	05:17
Xenon3DN	Smbbroswer says it needs the smbfs package:	05:17
Xenon3DN	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/smbbrowser/	05:17
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Xenon3DN	Is that incorrect then?	05:17
omnix	download smbclient	05:17
KaylaKaze	yeah	05:17
KaylaKaze	smclient and smbbrowser	05:17
KaylaKaze	smbclient*	05:17
omnix	smbclient allows u to mount cifs	05:17
Xenon3DN	Well, shooooot.	05:17
KaylaKaze	not by itself it doesn't	05:18
milhouse	Xenon3DN - check http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus	05:18
milhouse	cifs modules	05:18
milhouse	are there	05:18
pupnik_	E: Couldn't find package smbclient	05:18
omnix	is there a slingplayer for maemo?	05:18
KaylaKaze	I unistalled all my samba stuff to make room and when I couldn't mount(thinking cifs wasn't samba) I install smbclient first and it still didn't work	05:18
pupnik_	Nokia-N800-48:~# apt-cache search smb	05:19
pupnik_	mc - midnight commander - a powerful file manager	05:19
KaylaKaze	smbclient just shows up in my appman. I don't know repositoy I have listed that has it though	05:19
Xenon3DN	milhouse: Not immediately seeing sny smb-related there. Hit me with the clue-by-4.	05:19
KaylaKaze	I'm trying to decide if I should install mc	05:19
pupnik_	last time i looked at smb stuff it was many megabytes	05:19
KaylaKaze	with maemo.org down, you might not be able to get it right now	05:20
milhouse	Xenon3DN - download the tar file, it contains smbfs and lots of other filesystem support	05:20
KaylaKaze	it's about 6 megs for smbclient and smbbrowser	05:20
milhouse	it only mentions a subset of the supported modules on the web page...	05:20
KaylaKaze	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/smbbrowser/	05:21
omnix	if you don't mind me asking, what are you looking to do with smb?	05:21
KaylaKaze	so that repository may have the smblite	05:21
Xenon3DN	Ok. I see it now. not sure why I didn't pick up cifs on that fanoush page.	05:21
Xenon3DN	I'd like to maybe browse pictures or other files on my Linux fileserver. Why?	05:22
milhouse	"Additional modules" for 2.2006.39-14 is probably what you are after (should work with mistral...)	05:22
omnix	oh, linux?	05:22
omnix	does maemo support nfs out of the box?	05:23
milhouse	not out of the box	05:23
Xenon3DN	Yeah, Linux fileserver. I don't think it speaks NFS.	05:23
pupnik_	which sux	05:23
milhouse	but modules are available for nfs	05:23
pupnik_	need a special kernel afaik	05:23
KaylaKaze	I need to get a pencil style stylus. I think my actual mechanical pencil would probably scratch the screen	05:23
omnix	what do ppl use to stream mp3s to their 770?	05:24
pupnik_	The following packages have unmet dependencies: nfs-common: Depends: adduser but it is not installable	05:24
pupnik_	IT2007HE is... a WIP	05:24
omnix	what's WIP?	05:24
Xenon3DN	Work in Progress.	05:24
omnix	ah. i just got my 770 today. playing around with it as much as I can	05:25
omnix	should I stick with IT2006?	05:25
pupnik_	i'd advise that	05:25
Xenon3DN	I have an icecast (OGG Vorbis) server on my Linux machine, but I use it to stream realtime audio, not songs. But it can stream songs.	05:25
omnix	xenon, what client for maemo is used with that?	05:25
pupnik_	mplayer can do ogg streams, dunno what else	05:25
Xenon3DN	I was able to listen to my icecast stream with Meamo's OGG Player. But the player doesn't seem to have a way to remember or bookmark a stream from one run to another. :(	05:25
KaylaKaze	if I could make a piece of plastic about an inch long and .5 mm around with a small ball on the end (or a styraight pin that thin with a tiny plastic ball on the end) I could load it in my mech. pencil and use it...	05:25
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pupnik_	KaylaKaze: ...uhh... what?	05:28
Xenon3DN	Like, a round-ended fake pencil lead.	05:28
pupnik_	Oh for a more comfortable stylus?	05:29
Dr_Nunim	I use my office depot plastic mechanical pencil	05:29
Xenon3DN	EMachineshop might be able to make you one, if you could find the right materials and process to fab it:	05:29
Dr_Nunim	It's out of lead and has a plastic tip	05:29
Xenon3DN	http://www.emachineshop.com/	05:29
pupnik_	I want someone who can manufacture a few hundred replacement aluminum sliding covers, with wings on the side containing a bluetooth gamepad with buttons on each side	05:30
KaylaKaze	is there a way I can make mount not need root?	05:31
KaylaKaze	pupnik_: yes	05:31
KaylaKaze	well, I have a mech pencil I realy like and is very comfortable put it has a metal tip'	05:32
milhouse	KaylaKaze - sudo, most likely	05:33
Xenon3DN	pupnik: I probably know someone who could do that for you, but it ain't cheap. ;)	05:35
pupnik_	I just pray that the N900 will have gaming-compatible controls.	05:37
pupnik_	This "thou shalt not play games" product design should have died with the original IBM PC in 1981	05:37
KaylaKaze	I found a .5mm wire	05:38
KaylaKaze	and I'm gonna make a plastic tip with my hot glue gun	05:38
Xenon3DN	Mmmm. I bet you could find solder in the right size and melt the tip into a ball.	05:39
KaylaKaze	yeah, but I don't want a metal tip, even if smooth. I would be concerned about scratching it... though I do have some pretty smooth solder...	05:40
Xenon3DN	Well, hot glue is probably the next best bet. Maybe a small rod in a plastic BB or the like?	05:40
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omnix	what PIM app do most ppl use	05:41
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pupnik_	vi	05:41
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Xenon3DN	Omnix: Palm Treo. ;)	05:42
pupnik_	You can run Palm software on the Nokias now	05:42
omnix	how's that work	05:42
rwhitby	pupnik_: is there a .deb for that yet?	05:42
pupnik_	think aso	05:42
rwhitby	omnix: it runs POSE	05:42
pupnik_	https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=240	05:43
pupnik_	that's a .deb for Bora afaict	05:44
omnix	can this run palm 5 or only up to palm 4.x?	05:44
pupnik_	4.5 i think	05:44
pupnik_	only 68k palms	05:44
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Xenon3DN	Ok, KaylaKaze, I'm a N770/Maemo noob, having gotten it on Friday from buy.com, but I'm a debian old hand. Spell out for me, using _small_ words, what the minimum I need to mount a smb filesystem from my Linux machine?	05:52
pupnik_	i'd go with nfs or sshfs just to avoid the BLECH factor...	05:57
pupnik_	usually i scp -c blowfish stuff back and forth	05:57
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Xenon3DN	Well, yeah, but I have a working SMB system, so I don't want to screw with it otherwise, if I can get smbfs or cifs to work. Is nfs faster on N770 or something?	05:58
pupnik_	no idea, last i checked you needed to install a kernel with nfs compiled-in	05:59
Xenon3DN	So, about the same difficulty level as getting smbfs to work. ;)	05:59
pupnik_	Yeah, but that root filesystem fills fast	06:00
pupnik_	12 MB for SMB is BLECH	06:00
Xenon3DN	DO you really need all of that? I didn't think you did, just for the client.	06:00
pupnik_	i dunno - going from memory	06:01
milhouse	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToAccessWindowsCIFS	06:01
JussiP	For mounting, yes. For simple file transfer just use smbclient or Nautilus or Konqueror.	06:01
pupnik_	nautilus has built-in smb?	06:01
milhouse	Are you trying to mount a Windows share?	06:02
JussiP	Yes.	06:02
Xenon3DN	Yeah, my purposes need real mounting. Thanks milhouse, gonna go read that. Does that work with the smbbrowser?	06:03
milhouse	don't know, never used smbbrowser	06:03
Xenon3DN	KaylaKaze apparently has, but seems to be idle now.	06:04
* Xenon3DN pokes KaylaKaze.		06:04
JussiP	http://www.ricardis.tudelft.nl/~vincent/fusesmb/	06:05
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KaylaKaze	I was trying to make a new stylus... failed.	06:12
Xenon3DN	Bummer.	06:12
Xenon3DN	So, do you use smbbrowser with the smbclient package or the cifs.ko module, or what?	06:13
KaylaKaze	if you mount a share to a directory that has files with it, will those files still be there when it's unmounted?	06:13
KaylaKaze	I use the cifs module	06:13
Xenon3DN	From the fanoush page?	06:14
KaylaKaze	but those provide it and I don't know enough about it to nuke their packages yet keep the cifs access	06:14
KaylaKaze	no, smbbrowser and smbclient install it	06:14
Xenon3DN	But you need both those packages to get that working, right?	06:14
KaylaKaze	I think so	06:14
KaylaKaze	I haven't tried just smbbrowser	06:15
KaylaKaze	I know just smbclient won't do it	06:15
Xenon3DN	I'll go try it. What kind of files have you accessed over SMB?	06:15
KaylaKaze	but it's smbbrowser that puts the cifs module in	06:15
KaylaKaze	mp3s, pictures, pdfs	06:15
KaylaKaze	texts	06:15
Xenon3DN	Are you able to play mp3s over smb, or just copy them to local storage?	06:16
KaylaKaze	and I used it to work on some web code on my windows pc and I was able to save it to the shared directory and just cp it from there to my var/www directory	06:16
KaylaKaze	I can play them but they pause for about half a second every couple of seconds in the default music player	06:17
Xenon3DN	Bummer. Have you tried something like mplayer?	06:17
KaylaKaze	this Xournal kicks ass. That's why I needed a more comfy stylus	06:17
KaylaKaze	yeah, but mplayer killed my system	06:17
KaylaKaze	when trying to play video	06:18
KaylaKaze	and I don't know how to use it enough to play audio	06:18
Xenon3DN	Hmm.	06:18
KaylaKaze	the GUI on it is horrid and I couldn't find the command line to play it (mplayer didn't seem to work)	06:18
KaylaKaze	I didn't try too hard though	06:18
jga23	I've created a python app for my n800 and I want to create a shortcut to it, where do I place the .desktop file?	06:18
Xenon3DN	I'd love to find a way to make the N770 sort of a squeezebox.	06:19
KaylaKaze	I installed a UPnP program on my PC to stream stuff but it erased my c:\ directory. It does work well though for streaming.	06:19
pupnik_	there's a front end for mythtv btw	06:19
pupnik_	watch tv on your 770	06:19
Xenon3DN	I see the fanoush page refers to two different IT2006 releases. How do I tell which one I have?	06:21
Xenon3DN	I can't seem to install smbbrowser because it's complaining that the smbfs package is missing. But that's the package I haven't been able to locate.	06:25
KaylaKaze	hehehe the "control panel->memory" is counting my shares as using space so it says I have over 40GB of files on the 770	06:25
KaylaKaze	it's on one of the repositoryies...	06:26
KaylaKaze	I only have 3 megs free :-(	06:26
Xenon3DN	It's supposed to be on maemo-hackers according to the smbbrowser page:	06:27
Xenon3DN	https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=244&forum_id=274	06:27
Xenon3DN	But once you go there I can't find it:	06:27
Xenon3DN	http://maemo-hackers.org/	06:27
KaylaKaze	well, get it there then. That's a good repositiory to have in the first place	06:27
KaylaKaze	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories	06:28
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KaylaKaze	I need to write an image viewer :-(	06:29
Xenon3DN	I have maemo-hackers.org/apt mistral main in my Catalog list, but it's not showing me the smbfs package. Am I doing soemthing stupid here?	06:29
KaylaKaze	I guess not then. They must not have it	06:29
Xenon3DN	That's where you got it?	06:29
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KaylaKaze	try bgtan.net/etrunko mistral user	06:30
Xenon3DN	...	06:30
KaylaKaze	bgran*	06:30
KaylaKaze	hmmm.. maybe not there.	06:31
KaylaKaze	I'm going through my repository list. I know it's one of the repositories at the top	06:31
Xenon3DN	I couldn't connect to that repo at all.	06:31
Xenon3DN	I can't imagine why it would be gone from maemo-hackers, everything seem to indicate it's supposed to be hosted there.	06:32
KaylaKaze	it is	06:34
Xenon3DN	Ok, then I must be doing something stupid.	06:34
KaylaKaze	http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/s/	06:34
KaylaKaze	do you have "http://maemo-hackers.org/apt mistral main" in your appman?	06:35
KaylaKaze	(making sure you had main and not user for components)	06:35
Xenon3DN	Yeah, I have exactly that (main).	06:36
KaylaKaze	weird. Well, I guess you can just get the debs from there if appman won't show it	06:36
Xenon3DN	I can probably fetch that deb with the browser and have application manager open and install it, even though I can't see it in the packages list.	06:36
Xenon3DN	Yeah, that. ;)	06:36
Xenon3DN	Just wish I had a clue what was wrong so I understood how to do it right in the future.	06:36
KaylaKaze	both of these sookuo programs suck	06:37
Xenon3DN	Sudoku?	06:37
KaylaKaze	yeah	06:37
KaylaKaze	I don't know why I spelled it so weird	06:37
KaylaKaze	but since it wasn't close, I'm guessing my fingers just missed everything :-)	06:37
KaylaKaze	I should see if there's a javascript sudoku	06:38
KaylaKaze	here's one... but I don't like it	06:38
Xenon3DN	I'm a recovering sudoku fan. I looked over the edge, and stepped back.	06:39
Xenon3DN	"Unable to install. Incompatible package" WTF?	06:39
KaylaKaze	use dpkg 0i to isntall it then	06:40
KaylaKaze	use dpkg -i to isntall it then*	06:40
KaylaKaze	but that's weird	06:40
Xenon3DN	I'm wondering if it's telling me something I should be listening to.	06:40
KaylaKaze	I'm wondering why it's not showing up in your appman	06:41
Xenon3DN	So, there's multiple version of the 2006 OS? Could I have an older incompatible version?	06:41
KaylaKaze	are you sure you're selecting to show all packages and that hackers is enabled?	06:41
KaylaKaze	you could	06:41
KaylaKaze	but not likely	06:41
Xenon3DN	Let me re-check the repos in the list.	06:42
Xenon3DN	ITOS2006: 3.2006.49-2. That mean anything to anyone here?	06:42
KaylaKaze	What's the default lock code?	06:42
KaylaKaze	that's the current one	06:42
Xenon3DN	I don't know what a lock code is or where to find it.	06:43
KaylaKaze	sorry, I meant that as an open question to the room	06:43
Xenon3DN	Ok, I haven't messed with a shell on this yet. Do I need to install something to get a shell?	06:48
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Dr_Nunim	xterm	06:52
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Xenon3DN	Ok, now I apparently need to become root, right?	06:58
jga23	anybody have any experience with creating .desktop files for python apps?	07:00
KaylaKaze	I find it easier to ssh in from my desktop for mounting	07:02
Xenon3DN	I mean, I need to become root on the 770 in order to execute the dpkg -i, correct?	07:03
KaylaKaze	I just installed Fuppes. seems to be doing a good job of audio streaming	07:03
KaylaKaze	yes	07:03
Xenon3DN	I see some people using SlimServer as well. Investigating that myself.	07:04
KaylaKaze	I installed SimpleClient last night but I don't like it. PLus it erased my c:\	07:05
Xenon3DN	Fuppes looks very nice though. You're using it with Canola?	07:05
Xenon3DN	SimpleClient is...?	07:05
KaylaKaze	I tried it with canola and now I'm trying it with Media Streamer	07:05
KaylaKaze	sorry, my brains is screwed up. It's SimpleCast	07:06
KaylaKaze	Canola doesn't do playlisting, does it?	07:06
KaylaKaze	it'd be cool if I could connect to the UPnP over the net	07:07
Xenon3DN	I haven't tried it, I just see it listed on the Fuppes web page.	07:07
KaylaKaze	like, when I'm not home	07:07
Xenon3DN	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlimServer	07:09
KaylaKaze	I suppose, if you wanted to stream audio remotely, you could set up winamp to output shoutcast and use a web interface to winamp	07:09
KaylaKaze	fuppes does video too	07:09
* cesman highly recommends fuppes		07:11
KaylaKaze	I just had Fuppes crash on me :-(	07:12
KaylaKaze	ooo! A filebrowser!	07:14
Dr_Nunim	canoe?	07:16
KaylaKaze	yep	07:16
Dr_Nunim	any good?	07:16
KaylaKaze	about to try it	07:17
cesman	got a link to canoe?	07:17
KaylaKaze	well, it looks likr it does what it's supposed to	07:18
KaylaKaze	it's on the maemo->downloads->Desktop page	07:18
cesman	found it	07:18
pupnik_	oww my pc won't run crysis	07:19
KaylaKaze	I wonder if I could safely delete my themes other than the one I'm using	07:21
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KaylaKaze	ooooo! Puchi sounds cool... but stotage intensive	07:28
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Xenon3DN	Is there a real SIP phone that works with arbitrary Asterisk servers? I get the impression Gizmo doesn't.	07:30
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omnix	i was able to get Gizmo to work my asterisk server	07:35
Xenon3DN	Really? Cool. Did it work well?	07:35
GeneralAntilles	http://gizmoproject.com/asterisk.html	07:36
omnix	i don't think it was a true sip client	07:36
omnix	it seemed like i would connect to gizmo and from gizmo, it would connect to my asterisk	07:36
omnix	instead of going from 770/800 to my asterisk directly	07:37
Xenon3DN	Hmm. That seems hoopty. So, you need an account with them?	07:37
omnix	yeah. it's free though	07:37
KaylaKaze	I should make a Shining Force style game for 770	07:37
omnix	how do I reboot the 770?	07:38
omnix	i'm a rhel/fedora/centos guy.	07:38
GeneralAntilles	Turn it off and turn it back on?	07:38
KaylaKaze	the easiest way to reboot is to type "reboot" in the shell if you have root	07:39
omnix	yeah i'm ssh'd in	07:39
omnix	thx	07:40
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Xenon3DN	Hey Kayla, I had to wget and dpkg the smbfs, but now smbbrowser works. Thanks!	07:43
KaylaKaze	I never really got smbbrowser working :-)	07:44
KaylaKaze	I just made a script and mount them by hand :-)	07:44
Xenon3DN	You're more hardcore than me, I'm not there yet.	07:44
KaylaKaze	I wonder if "Battle for Wesnoth" could be ported...	07:44
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Xenon3DN	Wonder if Canola has a configurable buffersize. I'dsure like to play mp3s straight off my shared filesystem.	07:48
k-s[AWAY]	Xenon3DN: no, it doesn't	07:49
Xenon3DN	:(	07:49
k-s[AWAY]	Xenon3DN: actually, canola uses osso media server to play them	07:49
k-s[AWAY]	it's not even the same process	07:49
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Xenon3DN	Ah.	07:49
Xenon3DN	HOw about mplayer?	07:50
k-s	Xenon3DN: you can get our mplayer plugin	07:50
k-s	Xenon3DN: then you set ~/.mplayer/config with your desired cache	07:51
k-s	that should work fine	07:51
KaylaKaze	if you want to stream music, the best way is with Canola or Media Streamer and a UPnP server like Fuppes (probably)	07:51
Xenon3DN	Tell me more. Plugin for what?	07:51
Xenon3DN	Kayla: I'll probably go that way eventually, but if I can just play a few MP3s for now, it would be nice.	07:51
k-s	Xenon3DN: we have a plugin to use mplayer as underneath media player	07:51
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Xenon3DN	Where can I find the plugin?	07:52
k-s	Xenon3DN: and yes, KaylaKaze solution is the "expected" and supported one	07:52
k-s	Xenon3DN: let me search	07:52
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Xenon3DN	I see mplayer does OGG too, I would like to ditch OGGPlayer, as I wasn't impressed by it.	07:52
KaylaKaze	expected? It's just the one I find to be best as I have problems trying to play them off the share directly	07:53
KaylaKaze	but I wasn't using mplayer	07:53
KaylaKaze	I've only got 5M free...	07:54
Xenon3DN	I seem to have a lot more free, on a stock N770. Do you have a ton of stuff installed? Or lots of media?	07:54
KaylaKaze	python, mimo, my theme and smb stuff take a good chunk	07:55
KaylaKaze	I have no media on it	07:55
k-s	Xenon3DN: ah, mplayer plugin is in our repository, but you need to add "experimental" component...	07:56
Xenon3DN	Ok. What repository is this?	07:56
k-s	http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/repository/bora	07:57
KaylaKaze	that space thing was why I wanted to nuke my themes	07:57
k-s	distribution: bora	07:57
k-s	component: user experimental	07:57
Xenon3DN	I'm not up on all the distribution stuff -- this is going to work on a N770/ITOS2006?	07:57
k-s	Xenon3DN: not this repo, you should use http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/repository/770	08:01
Xenon3DN	and 770 in the distribution field too, then?	08:01
Xenon3DN	looks like it should be mistral	08:04
* Dr_Nunim gets his 2gb card today.		08:04
KaylaKaze	is there a command to see how much space a directory takes up, with optional recursion info?	08:05
Xenon3DN	k-s: So, which packages exactly do I need? Canola plus canola-mplayer? Do I need mplayer itself from somewhere else, or is it in the mplayer plugin?	08:05
Xenon3DN	KaylaKaze: du normally, but not sure if it's included.	08:06
k-s	Xenon3DN: this package pull them all	08:06
KaylaKaze	yep	08:06
Xenon3DN	KaylaKaze: Is du included then?	08:06
KaylaKaze	now if I just new how to use it...	08:06
KaylaKaze	yes	08:06
Xenon3DN	du <directoryname>	08:06
KaylaKaze	then maybe it's a different type of du then	08:07
KaylaKaze	'cause this isn't giving me any filesizes	08:07
Xenon3DN	du -h <dir>	08:08
KaylaKaze	ah, ok	08:08
KaylaKaze	I was acctually experimenting with the options and found it	08:08
Xenon3DN	-h: Human-readable. ;)	08:08
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KaylaKaze	is there a way to make it add all those together?	08:09
Xenon3DN	-s ?	08:10
Xenon3DN	http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_du.htm	08:10
KaylaKaze	ah, thanks	08:10
KaylaKaze	actually, I get what I want with -ashL	08:10
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KaylaKaze	I think I'm gonna move most of my themes to my pc and see what happens	08:12
Xenon3DN	k-s: I have installed the canola and canola-mplayer packages. Now I should have mplayer support in the Media Player?	08:15
k-s	Xenon3DN: you should check the web-ui and enable this plugin	08:15
KaylaKaze	oh good. It's not breakign anything. Those themes just don't show up in the chooser	08:15
Xenon3DN	Not sure what web-ui you're referring to. Something in Media Player?	08:16
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Dr_Nunim	I'm not sure which mail client to use	08:23
Dr_Nunim	Claws-mail is a little faster as well as easier to customize/more options.	08:23
Dr_Nunim	but the inbuilt one looks a bit nicer	08:23
Dr_Nunim	and slightly better orginization	08:23
KaylaKaze	moving the city maps I had stored over to the MC. That'll free up some room	08:23
KaylaKaze	or would have... except it 'caused my system to reboot instead.	08:24
Xenon3DN	k-s: Can you clarify what I need to do to make the mplayer plugin work inside Media Player?	08:24
k-s	Xenon3DN: there is a "Configure Canola" on maemo menu	08:25
Xenon3DN	I see it, yes.	08:25
Xenon3DN	It's complaining about Javascript not being enabled in my browser. I'm using the built-in browser. Is that ok?	08:26
Xenon3DN	Ah. I see...	08:27
Dr_Nunim	turn on javascript would be a start :o	08:27
Xenon3DN	Had to scroll down to see the steps.	08:27
KaylaKaze	great... now my system freezes when I go into file manager	08:28
Xenon3DN	You borked it. ;)	08:28
omnix	what are some tips to improve overall performance of the 770?	08:28
KaylaKaze	I wish I could get this thing to autoconnect to my wifi on startup	08:29
omnix	it's a little slow for my tastes	08:29
Xenon3DN	k-s: Ok, in the plugins page of the web configure UI, I see IRadio, Photocast and Podcast. Am I missing something?	08:33
k-s	Xenon3DN: let me check, I have not wrote that and it was a long time since I've checked	08:34
k-s	maybe you have a configure-something for that (package to be installed)	08:34
omnix	is there a way to add more applets to HOME?	08:38
k-s	Xenon3DN: canola-mplayer-plugin-configure-mplayer but seems you have to install that from xterm	08:38
k-s	I'm not sure, just looked at package on website	08:38
k-s	omnix: yes, just click the menu at top and check it there	08:39
k-s	Xenon3DN: sorry, I misinterpreted it.. it should be installed and enabled when you access "configure canola"	08:41
KaylaKaze	mplayer video is kinda slow...	08:41
k-s	possible you need to restart your 770	08:41
Xenon3DN	Ok. A "reboot" from the shell, or what's the best way to restart?	08:41
k-s	do it with the battery cable disconnected	08:41
k-s	Xenon3DN: if you have xterm, just "killall -9 canola-conf	08:42
k-s	and it will do it	08:42
Dr_Nunim	UK tube works decently.	08:43
Dr_Nunim	shame mplayer has such issues.	08:43
Xenon3DN	OK, did the killall. Do I need to restart Canola now or something?	08:43
k-s	Xenon3DN: no, when you click the menu it should use DBus activation to start web server before starting the browser	08:44
KaylaKaze	mplayer seems to play over share well	08:44
KaylaKaze	a nice gui frontend wouldn't hurt though	08:45
Xenon3DN	KaylaKaze: Hence, why I want the MediaPlayer integration to work.	08:46
KaylaKaze	I still don't get it. Canola works fine without needing mplayer	08:46
KaylaKaze	the problem with Canola is it doesn't allow access to all your files	08:47
Xenon3DN	Ok, after the canola-conf restart, I see the "Use MPlayer as canola default media player" checkbox and I have set it.	08:47
k-s	Xenon3DN: ok, so start a new canola	08:47
Xenon3DN	...	08:48
Xenon3DN	ok	08:48
Xenon3DN	Now what?	08:48
Dr_Nunim	How's canola player in comparison?	08:48
KaylaKaze	comparison to mplayer?	08:48
Dr_Nunim	Yeah.	08:49
KaylaKaze	I don't know if you really can compare :-) I've never used Canola with local media, just UPnP so I can't say	08:49
KaylaKaze	but controlling mplayer sucks	08:49
Dr_Nunim	mplayer seems to have decent video support.	08:49
Xenon3DN	k-s: I have Canola running -- so how do I get it to play files?	08:49
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KaylaKaze	Xenon3DN: That's the problem I was talking about	08:50
k-s	Xenon3DN: well... it should show your files, either under "Local" or shared...	08:50
Xenon3DN	looking...	08:51
KaylaKaze	but I can send an mplayer command from my ssh on my pc and the 770 will just sit here playing away while I do outher stuff. That's kinda nice	08:52
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KaylaKaze	Fuppes is apparently broken for me... it crashed again and after restart is showing no files	08:53
Xenon3DN	k-s: Not sure what "Local" you're referring to. I don't know where to tell it to look for my files.	08:56
Dr_Nunim	Mmc?	08:56
k-s	Xenon3DN: canola have 3 main categories (big icons): Audio, Video, Picture	08:57
Dr_Nunim	maybe ?/media/mmc1	08:57
Xenon3DN	Right. I'm on "Audio" now.	08:57
k-s	Xenon3DN: under each one, you have where media is, like Local, Shared, ...	08:57
k-s	if data is on your MMC, then it will be on "local"	08:57
k-s	if it's on UPnP or DAAP, it will be under "Shared"	08:58
KaylaKaze	but if it's on a mounted share, it won't show at all	08:58
Xenon3DN	I have "Audio Library", Shared Audio, "Podcast" and "IRadio Stations". My media is on a mounted share. Not sure how to tell it how to look there.	08:58
k-s	(however daap just work with regular player, mplayer for 770 doesn't support it)	08:58
k-s	Xenon3DN: you just have to add your mount point to be scanned, then it will show as "Local"	08:58
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Xenon3DN	Ok. Do I do that from the "Config" tool?	08:59
k-s	just use "Configure Canola" tool	08:59
Xenon3DN	ok. looking...	08:59
k-s	yes, from Media Library	08:59
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k-s	just navigate on left, click the green right arrow	08:59
Xenon3DN	Thanks for your patience. Getting closer...	08:59
k-s	Xenon3DN: worked?	09:03
Xenon3DN	still navigating...	09:03
Xenon3DN	Not sure where smbbrowser mounted my share, actually...	09:04
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KaylaKaze	it'd be mounted under MyDocs	09:04
Xenon3DN	KaylaKaze: Thx.	09:05
Xenon3DN	WHat's the full filesystem path to that? I'm a n00b.	09:05
KaylaKaze	I'm having trouble typing it :-)	09:08
KaylaKaze	jhasdfjk /home/user/MyDocs	09:08
KaylaKaze	(had to put some dummy chars in front of /)	09:08
Xenon3DN	THx. Silly IRC and its /commands.	09:09
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Xenon3DN	STILL trying to get this set up. Bear with me.	09:11
KaylaKaze	they need to add address lookup options to maemo mapper	09:13
KaylaKaze	though I suppose you can do that in the browser and copy the long/lat	09:14
Xenon3DN	How do I determine my DHCP IP address?	09:15
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Xenon3DN	FOund it.	09:16
Xenon3DN	Connection manager, menus.	09:16
KaylaKaze	connection manager?	09:17
k-s	guys, time to sleep	09:17
KaylaKaze	oh, the IP	09:17
Xenon3DN	Under Tools from the main menus.	09:17
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Xenon3DN	Thanks for your help, k-s. I'll get this working yet.	09:17
KaylaKaze	I thought you were still looking for canola config	09:17
Xenon3DN	I am, sorta. I'm trying to use another browser to access it, since it's really slow on the builtin browser.	09:18
KaylaKaze	I just set my router to give it a static IP of 77	09:18
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Xenon3DN	Crap. My browser won't run now, just exits on startup.	09:25
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Enok	I compile program on pc using scratchbox with armel sdk rootstrap and qemu, but when I move the compiled program file to N800 and try to run it I get "Permission denied"	10:12
Enok	It has +x permissions and tried both as user and as super user	10:13
Enok	Any suggestions what might be the problem	10:13
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inz	Enok, you're trying to run in from mmc, which is mounted noexec	10:14
Enok	Ok thanks	10:15
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komarov	where in the scratchbox is the file with dns settings?	10:26
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dpb_	the same place as every other linux.. /etc/resolv.conf	10:27
komarov	tx	10:27
melmoth	actually, there is another place :)	10:28
melmoth	in the _host_ machine, /scratchbox/etc/resolve.conf	10:28
melmoth	and /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf	10:28
komarov	yeah, I've just copied the DNS IPs from there to here	10:29
melmoth	a usual problem is /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf uses mdsn for host name resolving	10:29
komarov	I can't make it resolve repository.maemo.org when execing 'apt-get update'	10:30
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melmoth	be sure /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf in the hosts machine, not scratchbox, mention dns and not mdns	10:31
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komarov	I have everywhere:	10:33
komarov	hosts: files dns	10:33
komarov	I successfully ping it from the host, but ping doesn't exist inside scratchbox	10:34
komarov	maybe I should reboot?	10:34
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komarov	didn't help	10:42
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melmoth	koen, double check that stfuff in scratchbox (/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf) are the same as : in the hosting machine /etc/resolv.conf , and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf	10:53
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cy-	no firmware update yet eh	11:05
cy-	suck	11:05
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:08
cy-	sup Jaffa	11:09
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florian	good morning	11:25
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jsmanrique	florian: good morning	11:25
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sbaturzio	Aloha!	11:36
komarov	Hawaii!	11:42
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X-Fade	http://maemo.org/news/view/1183357408.html	11:48
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X-Fade	Looks interesting..	11:48
Jaffa	Indeed.	11:53
cy-	I just want new firmware :(	11:54
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lardman	morning	12:08
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pello	bonjour	12:10
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lardman	Does anyone know why the ARM asm in the kernel appears to be written in Intel syntax rather than the (supposed) default AT&T syntax?	12:13
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pello	what's the difference with bora and mistral ?	12:17
pello	is that like stable and testing under debian ?	12:17
cy-	pello: I believe bora and mistral are release revisions of maemo	12:17
pello	all my packages previsouly installed are bora	12:18
pello	can i install a package from a mistral repo ?	12:18
cy-	On the n800 you should be able to	12:18
pello	(i have my n800 from this morning sorry for dumb questions)	12:18
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pello	salut obergix[work]	12:24
pello	cy- thx	12:24
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pupnik_	People who install mistral onto N800 serve up to 5 years in prison.	12:30
pello	dumb ass	12:31
cy-	wtf? heh	12:31
pupnik_	I am using that as an example for how advertising misleads us with the phrase "up to"	12:31
pupnik_	People who install mistral onto N800 serve 0 - 5 years in prison.	12:31
pupnik_	up to really means "less than"	12:32
pupnik_	or "less than or equal-to"	12:32
pupnik_	Anyway... the n800 uses 'Bora'	12:33
* pello discover red pill		12:34
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pello	pupnik_, what the deal with bora and mistral ?	12:34
pupnik_	mistral is the latest official release for the 770, unless I am out-of-date	12:34
pupnik_	there is an unofficial IT2007 "Hacker Edition" for the 770 that is based on Bora	12:35
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AD-N770	good morning	12:40
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sureshkumar435	hi all, can anyone help me in creating folders using tinymail	12:57
pupnik_	dunno	13:00
pupnik_	how can i type onto a pdf? openoffice?	13:00
pupnik_	www.pdftypewriter.com Open, edit, type on, save, fill in forms & print PDF files for $49	13:01
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pupnik_	ah pdfedit can do it	13:09
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guardian	my touchscreen is completely scrachted on the handwriting recognition area	13:25
guardian	do you also experience this ?	13:25
X-Fade	guardian: Is the protective film still on your screen?	13:26
MoRpHeUz	guardian: does it still have that "default screen protection" ?	13:26
MoRpHeUz	X-Fade: =)	13:26
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X-Fade	hehe	13:26
guardian	or there is a protective film ? :D	13:26
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guardian	ah now that you say it indeed	13:27
guardian	but it's very close to the edges	13:27
guardian	did not notice it	13:27
MoRpHeUz	guardian: if you take a close look you'll se that...mainly on the vorders	13:27
guardian	should i remove it ?	13:27
MoRpHeUz	borders	13:27
X-Fade	guardian: That is up to you ;)	13:27
guardian	was there such a film on the 770 ?	13:28
X-Fade	The real touchscreen is harder to scratch than this film..	13:28
guardian	i don't have mine here	13:28
X-Fade	guardian: Yes, but is wasn't that good..	13:28
guardian	ok	13:28
X-Fade	So you probably removed it first thing..	13:28
MoRpHeUz	X-Fade: btw, how do you get this film off ? I mean...it's hard to find a way of doing that without damaging the screen =/	13:29
X-Fade	MoRpHeUz: Grow long nails ;)	13:30
MoRpHeUz	hehehe =D	13:30
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unique311	removing osx86 from my one of my notebooks, and installing linux......going with ubuntu, unless anyone has another alternative they can recommend	13:50
osfameron	ubuntu works for me	13:50
unique311	same here...	13:52
cy-	ditto	13:52
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unique311	ever tried anything besides ubuntu..	13:53
unique311	gentoo is amazing, but the compile time sucks..	13:54
MoRpHeUz	unique311: kubuntu =) the same way but with kde =)	13:55
unique311	not a big fan of kde	13:56
unique311	ok, so ubuntu it is...thNKS	13:58
osfameron	gentoo sounds nice. So does suse. And Debian. On the other hand, I hates computers, and the less time I have to spend wrangling with them the better :-)	14:03
unique311	hate computers///	14:04
unique311	exact opposite	14:04
gla55_	I have a bro who uses gentoo... but.. he switched to it from slackware	14:04
unique311	love em	14:04
osfameron	oh, I couldn't live without a computer, and many things about them give me lots of pleasure	14:05
osfameron	but installing different distros and messign about with them isn't one of them... :-)	14:05
unique311	i just played a SDL game called neverball	14:10
unique311	by moving around my thinkpad	14:10
gla55_	neverball is fun	14:11
unique311	think thinkpad has a motion sensor feature.	14:11
gla55_	yeah	14:11
gla55_	it does	14:11
unique311	it was fun..	14:11
gla55_	macbooks too iirc..	14:11
unique311	but it gets heavy after a couple of minutes moving the danm thing around.	14:12
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komarov	/j #moscow	14:50
komarov	oops, sorry	14:50
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ericz	anyone here use the 'knock' port for the 770?	15:04
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jani	has anyone had any problems with textfields not accepting any input ?	15:15
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suihkulokki	jani: I guess the virtual keyboard process has died..	15:16
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jani	doesnt look like that. i can switch to next input field and input works there just fine, switch back to previous and nothing but backspace	15:17
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jani	its only one field thats causing the problem and seemingly both text fields are generated by same type of code ..	15:22
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ericz	:( Unable to install. Package is incompatible with current software! all i want is telnet, how hard of a port is that to run, it's like 3 the most basic app ever	15:34
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ericz	anybody know of a working port of sendip/telnet for os 2006 on the 770?	15:42
jani	dunno, but there was just announcement in maemo devel list that netcat is ported to maemo platform, you could use that as telnet. i dont remember if it was for 770 thou =(	15:44
ericz	that would work..	15:44
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ericz	i just want to port knock, the "knock" client i found is like	15:44
ericz	customized for some 'doorman' daemon	15:44
jani	http://maemo.org/development/maemo_tools_index.html	15:44
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jani	announcement game like 1,5 hours ago =)	15:45
jani	emr.. came	15:47
ericz	Relase 3.X	15:48
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ericz	means os 2007, doesn't it?	15:48
zuh	Yeah	15:49
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ericz	i can't believe i can't find a working telnet/sendip/netcat port for 2006	15:51
ericz	i must be stupid.	15:51
guardian	can someone please recall me the command used to list the entry points of some library	15:51
mgedmin	or, more likely, it doesn't exist	15:51
ericz	why wouldn't it exist, telnte can't be one of the more difficult programs to port	15:52
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Toni	request for netcat I'd understand, but telnet..	15:56
ericz	either	15:57
ericz	heh, telnet/sendip/netcat, something	15:57
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jani	btw, is telnet supposed to be compiled into busybox ?	15:58
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Synt1	hi there	16:00
Synt1	does somebody know where i can find the sourcecode to the programm `play-sound' wich is on the device (n800)	16:01
Synt1	it's a bit strange: a few wave files are played every time i call `play-sound file.wav'	16:01
Synt1	others are played one or two times	16:02
Synt1	before it won't play them anymore	16:02
Synt1	and why don't i hear anything when i `cat sound.wav > /dev/dsp' ???	16:03
inz	because it doesn't use oss?	16:04
Synt1	so, what to do?	16:05
Synt1	why doesn't play-sound work all the time?	16:05
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Synt1	(thanks inz for answering, already thought i'm a soliloquist)	16:05
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eugene	how can i capture screenshots on my n800?	16:08
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mgedmin	there's an app you can apt-get install, osso-screenshot-tool iirc	16:10
Synt1	eugene: by pressing the print button fg	16:10
Synt1	just kidding...: osso-screenshot-tool	16:10
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eugene	Synt1: hehehehe	16:11
eugene	Synt1: trying to find that app :)	16:12
inz	Or mh-shot-tool ;)	16:12
inz	mh-shot-tool can upload your screenshots to flickr!	16:12
eugene	mgedmin: inz: thanks!	16:12
mgedmin	yeah, osso-screenshot-tool is a cmdline app	16:13
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mgedmin	not very convenient unless you have some cpu applet that can launch it, or have a convenient laptop so you can ssh into your nokia	16:13
Synt1	mgedmin: tip: try `apt-cache search keyword'	16:13
konttori	jani, ericz: what announcement?	16:13
* mgedmin wonders why Synt1 gave him the tip		16:14
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inz	mgedmin, maybe he's the official tip-of-the-day'er	16:14
ericz	development of netcat or something	16:14
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mgedmin	can I exchange my tip to some other tip?	16:14
mgedmin	I'd like a green one, please...	16:14
Synt1	mgedmin: `apt-cache search screenshot' returns the osso-screenshot-tool	16:14
inz	mgedmin, that would be like exchanging fortune cookies	16:14
* mgedmin redirects Synt1's suggestions to eugene		16:15
eugene	ah the camera app is useful but not too good to take photos at night	16:15
Synt1	mgedmin: oh... f***	16:15
konttori	ericz: is that newsworthy?	16:15
Synt1	sry	16:15
Synt1	s/mgedmin/eugene/g	16:15
ericz	no, i was asking about netcat/telnet, he was telling me about some development release coming out	16:16
konttori	ahh... ok	16:16
Synt1	so does somebody know about the play-sound problem??	16:16
eugene	btw where are you guys based in?	16:16
guardian	i need help please, i'm trying to create a bar.so library that uses some code that is already in a static library foo.a . i'm using automake and i added foo.a to libbar_LIBADD clause. however when invoking objdump on libbar, it says libfoo.a: file format not recognized	16:16
guardian	so basically , is this possible to embed code that is already compiled in a .a into a .so shared library and how ?	16:17
eugene	ah, i'm trying to backport a kernel patch for 2.6.18 (assuming this is the latest kernel). is it possible to test the kernel with the simulator first, before the real thing? and if it failed to boot, can reflashing RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin help?	16:17
inz	eugene, scratchbox doesn't emulate the whole OS, so you cannot test kernel there	16:18
eugene	oh..	16:19
inz	eugene, and yes, reflashing flashes the kernel too, so it should work	16:19
eugene	nod	16:19
Synt1		16:19
eugene	wierd. i installed the fm radio app, and i can't find it in the menu	16:19
zuh	eugene: You can run './flasher -k kernel -b' to boot the kernel without flashing it	16:19
Synt1	how can i simply play a wav file from the command line when `cat sound.wav > /dev/dsp' doesnt work and `play-sound sound.wav' only works sometimes??	16:20
Synt1	help	16:20
eugene	zuh: so i can test it without risking it have any permanent effect?	16:20
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eugene	cool	16:21
zuh	Hmm, at least that's what I thought that dird	16:23
zuh	-r	16:23
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eugene	nod	16:24
eugene	so much things to learn. so much things to play :)	16:24
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eugene	inz: ah, mh-shot-tool is written by u :)	16:28
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inz	eugene, it is? I hadn't noticed...	16:28
eugene	oh i read wrongly :)	16:28
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ttuttle	Is fastmail.fm a trustworthy mail provider?	16:30
ericz	so is ncurses-base, and osso-xterm, and maemo-gaim, looks like inz is awesome :P	16:31
eugene	hehe. n800 is neat, especially with the fm player.	16:32
inz	ericz, mh-shot-tool is actually the only one of those I've written	16:33
jani	suihkulokki: multiple calls to hildon_gtk_entry_set_input_mode fucked up the input =(	16:33
inz	ericz, ncurses-base I've packaged and xterm/gaim I've modified a bit	16:33
eugene	inz: ah, yes it's you isn't it :)	16:33
ericz	ah	16:33
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eugene	zuh: i will try that and see how it goes. thanks.	16:36
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eugene	btw where's nice themes i can browse? any good links?	16:36
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zuh	There's not that many themes around. http://www.maemo-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=2130 <- there's few, google finds probably few more and then there's my favourite on garage: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/theme-plankton/	16:39
eugene	thanks!	16:39
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zuh	Hmm, there's few others too on garage (search for 'theme')	16:40
eugene	ok	16:40
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jani	i was going true some theming sites over last week and i noticed that some of stock apps doesnt work well with themes	16:41
ericz	claws-mail interface is just hard to use, period with the virtual keyboard	16:42
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eugene	http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/695614050/	16:45
eugene	works great!	16:45
ericz	i'm using that same theme	16:45
eugene	theme-plankton == This project has not released any files.	16:48
eugene	hmmm	16:48
melmoth	hola eugene !	16:48
eugene	melmoth: hey :)	16:49
Tu13es	heh	16:49
eugene	melmoth: you use n800 too? :P	16:49
Tu13es	gf is getting my n770, just ordered an n800 from amazon, should be here tomorrow :P	16:49
eugene	Tu13es: congrats :D	16:49
melmoth	eugene, yep :)	16:49
eugene	melmoth: hacking anything yet? :)	16:49
melmoth	a little bit (http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/maemosword/)	16:50
eugene	melmoth: wow	16:50
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melmoth	i also had a look at gstreamer and pygame , to play with sound (to make the sound of rain play in loop)	16:50
melmoth	but i sort of ...fail on this one :)	16:51
eugene	melmoth: cool	16:51
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eugene	melmoth: you should join engineering :D	16:51
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melmoth	when they will be interested in python newbye i'll apply :)	16:52
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eugene	melmoth: if you are a python newbie, i am a python idiot :)	16:52
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stuaart	Hello there. I have the exact same problem as thus guy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/19122	16:53
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stuaart	Wondering if anyone knows the solution regarding wlancond-dbus.h and wlancond.h	16:54
eugene	melmoth: hopefully i can finish backporting it, and then we can have more fun :)	16:54
eugene	melmoth: should be easy.	16:54
stuaart	(Basically the problem is missing header files for wlan stuff.)	16:55
melmoth	eugene, what are you currently backporting ?	16:56
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melmoth	is it systemtap for maemo ? :)	16:56
eugene	hehe	16:57
ttuttle	What's systemtap?	16:57
eugene	ttuttle: it's an instrumentation tool for profiling purposes	16:57
eugene	ttuttle: http://sources.redhat.com/systemtap/wiki/RedHatSummit2007	16:57
melmoth	system tap is to a kernel what a biopsy is to medecine .	16:58
eugene	heh i can't change password for user	16:58
melmoth	Hmmm. always worked here.	16:59
eugene	ah i can change it as a root user	16:59
eugene	but not popssible if i change it as a user user	16:59
eugene	gee. memory consumption is pretty high.	17:07
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eugene	inz: do you have 256colors2.pl script handy?	17:35
KaylaKaze	:-( supermediastore is having a flash memory sale but they don't have any MMC :-(	17:35
lardman	Anyone know about signals?	17:43
lardman	specifically about signal handlers, and what happens when the signal handler returns	17:45
lardman	even more specifically, in this article (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3985), it says that after the handler returns control to the offending thread, some code is popped from the local stack to alter the kernel stack frame	17:47
lardman	the question is, why does it need to alter the kernel stack frame, and could this locally popped code be changed to do something else...	17:48
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jga23	hey, my n800 is caught in an infinite loop, I read that I should turn off the lifeguard reset...any body know how?	17:54
lardman	you need to use the flasher tool	17:54
jga23	do they have one for windows? or just linux?	17:54
lardman	just linux afaik	17:54
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jga23	do you know if it'll work over vmware?	17:56
gla55_	i'd be skeptical about that. but dunno really if it has some funky usb bridge	17:58
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lardman	what about that freeware flasher, does that work under Windows and does it do the control messages?	17:58
jga23	where can I find the windows flasher?	17:59
zuh	jga23: You could always get a linux live CD, boot that, download the flasher and work from there...	17:59
lardman	anyone got a link to that free flasher project?	17:59
jga23	k, I have ubuntu on a vm, I'll try that first, then the live cd	18:00
lardman	jga23: There's a mailing list post about using vmware & flasher	18:01
lardman	> Good for once don’t be too late home! (not that exciting though!)	18:03
lardman	> Good for once don’t be too late home! (not that exciting though!)	18:03
lardman	fyi http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/	18:03
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jga23	thanks	18:04
eugene	damn	18:04
eugene	my n800 seems to froze	18:04
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lardman	not of much use to you, but there is source so it may be possible to port it to Windows	18:05
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eugene	how do u take the battery out? can't seem to be able to take it out ... gee	18:06
lardman	flick it	18:07
eugene	??	18:07
lardman	or rather your wrist	18:07
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gomiam	eugene, it should be easy, you pick at the right end and draw	18:08
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gomiam	you need a bit of a nail, of course :-)	18:08
eugene	gomiam: got it.	18:08
gomiam	nice	18:08
eugene	glad i haven't cut my nails :)	18:08
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eugene	but my mini-sd card is stucked	18:09
gomiam	?	18:09
eugene	i can't take it out. i wish it has springs	18:09
gomiam	checking mine...	18:09
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gomiam	is the slider stuck too?	18:09
eugene	nope.	18:09
eugene	i am able to see my mini-sd+adpater	18:10
eugene	just can't take it out. more like a design issue :/	18:10
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gomiam	mmm... my SD just pops up when the slider is all the way back	18:10
eugene	all the way back? hmm	18:10
gomiam	try and push it down a couple of times	18:10
gomiam	you are talking about the inside SD slot, right?	18:11
eugene	nope	18:11
eugene	the outside one	18:11
gomiam	ah, the outer one then :-)	18:11
gomiam	that one has no springs	18:11
gomiam	you need to draw it out	18:11
eugene	inside one has?	18:11
gomiam	looks like it	18:11
eugene	damn	18:12
gomiam	the outer one requires even more nail :-)	18:12
eugene	yeah ;(	18:12
eugene	challenge	18:12
gomiam	actually, the SD card has an engraving for you to "nail it out" ;-)	18:12
eugene	somehow it's not there!	18:12
gomiam	ouch	18:13
eugene	or maybe the one i bought didn't have that...	18:13
gomiam	it might be that	18:13
gomiam	well, try with a cutter or a screwdriver	18:13
eugene	boohoo..	18:13
gomiam	it's quite sturdy so it shouldn't suffer much	18:13
KaylaKaze	needle nose pliers	18:13
eugene	nod nod	18:14
gomiam	KaylaKaze: after cleaning them first, of course ;-D	18:14
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eugene	lol	18:14
KaylaKaze	... what do you do with you pliers?	18:14
gomiam	ply?	18:14
KaylaKaze	I mean that you'd need to clean them	18:14
gomiam	mm... nose...	18:15
gomiam	something might get stuck	18:15
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eugene	it didnt ask for regional settings and assumed that i'm a british heh	18:15
KaylaKaze	oh, I get it :-P	18:15
KaylaKaze	it's GB by default	18:15
gomiam	it didn't ask?	18:15
gomiam	that's surprising	18:15
eugene	nope	18:15
KaylaKaze	though it should have asked on initial startup	18:16
eugene	nod nod	18:16
gomiam	it asked me when I first started it up (and when I re-flashed it)	18:16
eugene	it didnt	18:16
eugene	i'm going thru it noe	18:16
eugene	i'm going thru it now	18:16
eugene	just reflashed	18:16
chrissturm	so when is the firmware update going to be released?	18:17
gomiam	chrissturm: no idea, but blogs seem to be panting for it to come out :-D	18:17
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eugene	good night!	18:32
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unique311	good morning	18:33
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stuaart	Hey, has anyone managed to programmatically do wifi scanning with the n800?	18:39
stuaart	The wlan driver is locked up, as is the osso-connectivity UI side of things	18:39
lardman\|afk	there's a garage project, what's that about?	18:42
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lardman	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/	18:43
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stuaart	lardman: Thanks	18:45
suihkulokki	stuaart: iwlist scan ?	18:46
stuaart	Unfortunately iwlist does not reliably replicate what is visible in the UI	18:47
stuaart	I.e., when you use the UI wifi scanning, funny stuff happens behind-the-scenes which we can't seem to even detect as dbus signals	18:47
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wumpus	lardman: that only contains a bit of what is needed to build the driver	18:52
wumpus	I wanted to patch the driver for aircrack/injection to work, but to no avail, that garage project is kind of useless	18:54
stuaart	Basically we want to do wlan scanning within our own app. The maemo API just doesn't support this it seems.	18:54
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lardman	Ah, I see	19:00
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guardian_	how can i install gconf-editor inside scratchbox ?	19:30
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jpt9	hey.	19:37
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Dr_Nunim	sssssssscore!	19:50
Dr_Nunim	new memory card	19:50
pupnik_	learn to program and port apps	19:54
KaylaKaze	this is odd. A lot of programs, when passed a parameter from the cmdline, don't open it like they're suppsed to.	19:55
KaylaKaze	And, btw, Opera is VERY good for looking at pages of a comic book. Now I jsut need to right a webpage script for browsing them better	19:56
Dr_Nunim	Wow it really did not like me trying to do apt-get update without an internet connection	19:58
KaylaKaze	one thing cool though is you can use opera as a file browser	20:00
KaylaKaze	if you open a directory like file://localhost	20:00
Xenon3DN	Kayla: Neat!	20:01
KaylaKaze	the only problem is it doesn't open fiels right. It sends file://localhost to the opening program so the opening program can't find the file... but if it's a file Opera can open (like a graphic) it will	20:02
Dr_Nunim	wow wtf	20:02
Dr_Nunim	why is my apt-get going in Bytes per second	20:03
Dr_Nunim	maemo.org is slowwwwwwww	20:03
KaylaKaze	and if you set Opera for "optimized view" mofe, it does GREAT with comic book pages	20:03
Dr_Nunim	or the cat sleeping on my wifi is affecting the speed greatly	20:04
Xenon3DN	Cats are a great faraday cage at 2.4-5GHz.	20:04
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Dr_Nunim	hrm	20:07
Dr_Nunim	unmount not found	20:07
KaylaKaze	is there a way to run a GUI program from the shell and have it immediately give you your prompt back?	20:07
Dr_Nunim	:o	20:07
KaylaKaze	it's umount	20:07
Dr_Nunim	ah	20:07
Dr_Nunim	lol	20:07
Dr_Nunim	I need my coffee	20:07
Xenon3DN	Kayla: <command> &	20:07
KaylaKaze	Opera displaying a comic book page in fullscreen optimized view mode http://kaylakaze.sytes.net/screenshot00.jpg	20:09
ericz	what'd you use to take the screenshot	20:12
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KaylaKaze	grrr! Why won't opera open a file from cmndline! grrr	20:13
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KaylaKaze	loadapplet	20:15
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Dr_Nunim	Geeze, booting of mmc takes a while to setup.	20:16
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KaylaKaze	grrr... I can't get php to extract a file from a rar directly to the stdout	20:24
KaylaKaze	... or maybe the problem is it's not extracting the file at all. Weird	20:25
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sandeen	hey, is there any concensus on the best graphical email client for a 770? :)	20:32
suihkulokki	gmail	20:33
pupnik_	voting on a mail client for nokia is like voting for president of the USA	20:34
KaylaKaze	... this thing is saying the extract is successful, but I can't find the file. WTF!?	20:34
sandeen	ok, that's about what I expected ;-)	20:35
Xenon3DN	Ok, how do I copy & paste within an edit field? I can't seem to get the menu key to open a menu for copy/paste operations.	20:35
bilboed	pupnik_, recount included ?	20:35
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melmoth	Xenon3DN, keeping the stylus pressed a couple of second should open a contextual menu	20:36
melmoth	if your lucky, there s a 'copy' item	20:36
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pupnik_	oki am recount what happy not is it tyrranny time?	20:43
pupnik_	going for friendly exclusion as never finding!	20:43
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KaylaKaze	holy crap! I jsut realized that DND sheet thing I made is, with only a few slight modifications, a full online spreadsheet system!	20:47
pupnik_	i t ' s i n m y b r a i n n o w	20:47
pupnik_	...	20:47
pupnik_	h e l t e r s k e l t e r	20:47
KaylaKaze	among other things	20:47
pupnik_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCX7s_cTl4	20:47
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pupnik_	"If you ask no questions, then beware of lies" - Meat Beat Manifesto	20:58
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pupnik_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAPEd_Vyvlw	20:58
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Dr_Nunim	with dropbear whats the root pw?	21:07
Dr_Nunim	rootme?	21:07
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ericz	yeah, should be	21:08
Dr_Nunim	Sure is taking awhile to install.	21:09
Dr_Nunim	ahhh	21:11
Dr_Nunim	SSH makes this so much easier.	21:11
ericz	easier to get root, and to type!	21:12
Dr_Nunim	?	21:12
Dr_Nunim	lies!	21:12
suihkulokki	ps. remember to change the root pw if you install ssh	21:12
Dr_Nunim	takes forever	21:12
Dr_Nunim	I know.	21:13
Dr_Nunim	rootme isn't exactly safe :)	21:13
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Dr_Nunim	although I'm really not that woried about it	21:15
Dr_Nunim	Whos going to hack it?	21:15
Dr_Nunim	The cat whos blocking my wifi? I'd like to see her try!	21:15
ericz	really.. besides, predictive text remembers it for you..	21:15
trevarthan	I'm writing a ukmp workalike (uses python, pygame, mplayer, a2dpd, and gobject, among other things). It works, but after a certain (unpredictable) amount of time the application completely locks up. I can still switch tasks, but if I try to run `ps` my shell hangs (no CTRL+c, CTRL+z will fix it). At that point I pretty much have to reboot because I can no longer do process management. Anyone have any idea what might be causing that?	21:16
konttori	trevarthan: what kind of stuff are you working on then?	21:17
konttori	Last time we talked you were converting ukmp to use mplayer	21:17
konttori	And you managed to get it working at some point as well	21:17
konttori	So, did you start a new project after that from scratch?	21:17
trevarthan	Yeah, that's basically what it is, but it's a complete rewrite from scratch. The only thing I kept was the spirit of the thing and the theme, and the theme will be changing a bit in the near future.	21:18
trevarthan	It works perfectly right until the point it locks up. :)	21:18
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trevarthan	I can switch on the fly between A2DP and speakers with the press of a button. It's pretty cool.	21:19
konttori	great stuff! congrats!	21:19
trevarthan	If anyone wants to play with it then I'll be happy to make a pre-alpha tar.gz available. It's all GPL of course.	21:20
Dr_Nunim	hrm	21:20
Dr_Nunim	before I did this file system clone it would have been a good idea to do a fresh flash.	21:20
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trevarthan	One thing you might like, konttori, is I made an album image cache. I noticed that most of my startup time was spent loading and convert()'ing images, so I build a large image when I scan the ID3 tags and then I use that image from then on until the next scan.	21:22
konttori	trevarthan: a screenshot would be nice!	21:22
konttori	I've been considering that as well	21:22
konttori	how much did it speedup?	21:23
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trevarthan	It works quite well. Brought my startup down from about 13 seconds to maybe 5?	21:23
konttori	cool	21:23
konttori	I expected as much	21:23
trevarthan	I've got a large MP3 library, so I sort of had to do it to ease development.	21:23
trevarthan	How about a tar.gz? http://www.guardiani.us/ukmp-dev-20070702.tar.gz	21:28
trevarthan	unpack it, `cd ukmp.dist; ./ukmp-scanner.py; ./ukmp.py`	21:29
sandeen	how about this; is there any decent SIP client for a 770? (that's not tied to gizmo or gtalk or ....)	21:29
trevarthan	sandeen: have you tried shtoom? It's a python sip phone. might work. I've been meaning to give it a try myself.	21:30
sandeen	trevarthan, haven't tried it, never heard of it ;-) I'll see what I can find, thanks	21:30
trevarthan	sandeen: rule of thumb for the maemo platform: If it doesn't exist in the garage, look for a python solution. :)	21:30
sandeen	hehe ok :)	21:31
sandeen	i was disappointed to see that none of the commonly-available VoIP clients were "generic" sip clients :(	21:31
trevarthan	I think that is because most C/C++ SIP libraries are a pain in the rear to compile.	21:31
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trevarthan	Ask me how I know? :)	21:32
sandeen	well i've had my 770 for < 24 hrs so have a ways to go to find my way through all this stuff :)	21:32
sandeen	*	21:32
sandeen	o Release 0.3 Real Soon Now.	21:32
sandeen	o Release 0.2 22nd March 2004	21:32
sandeen	hehe	21:32
sandeen	hmmm	21:32
Dr_Nunim	erm fuck	21:32
trevarthan	install svn on your 770 and check it out from svn.	21:33
Dr_Nunim	how do I get it to go to usb mode when i've installed a new boot menu	21:33
Dr_Nunim	it goes usb for like 2 seconds then tries to boot	21:33
Dr_Nunim	ahh the charger	21:34
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konttori	trevarthan: I'll try to test it soon	21:38
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guardian	evening #maemo	21:39
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trevarthan	konttori: It's lacking the album view. It's using a list view instead right now. I intend to allow the user to switch between the two in the near future. It also requires the user to move the selection between two horizontal bars right now. I intend to make that a tap in the near future instead of a required drag.	21:41
konttori	all right. sounds interesting!	21:41
trevarthan	Lots of spit and polish missing too. I'm still catching up to your feature set. :)	21:41
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konttori	trevarthan: I was unable to open the ukmp.dist package.	22:00
konttori	ahh.. now it worked	22:00
konttori	File "./ukmp-scanner.py", line 29	22:01
konttori	class DB():	22:01
konttori	^	22:01
konttori	SyntaxError: invalid syntax	22:01
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KaylaKaze	I was sitting here, unable to figure out why this page wouldn't work on Opera...	22:03
KaylaKaze	then, I happened to hit settings, and turns out Opera had turned my JS off again	22:03
KaylaKaze	but check this out at an early version of my cb reader http://kaylakaze.sytes.net/databases/test.php?rname=The%20Dress.cbr&entry=0	22:05
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Dr_Nunim	its a png so wat?	22:07
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KaylaKaze	no	22:07
KaylaKaze	it extracts the file from the cbr and displays it to the web browser (and it has Next and Prev links to make navigating a CB easier)	22:08
KaylaKaze	and when it's done, it'll know how many pages are in a CB, have links to the next and prev volumes and have a book selector	22:09
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Dr_Nunim	it extracts from pdf or what?	22:10
KaylaKaze	cbr and cbz	22:10
KaylaKaze	well, I haven't done the cbz support yet	22:10
Dr_Nunim	that's comic book format?	22:10
KaylaKaze	yeah	22:10
KaylaKaze	comic book rar and comic book zip	22:10
KaylaKaze	basically just ar and zip files renamed to open with the right program	22:10
KaylaKaze	rar*	22:10
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KaylaKaze	it appears that width=200% in an img tag doesn't do what you'd like it to (assuming you used that tag) so I'll have to do some extra jiggering for 2 page files	22:13
konttori	I wonder if you could convert that to python. The conversion shouldn't be too big one.php and python are quite alike	22:17
konttori	and pygame should be able to render those images really smoothly.	22:17
Xenon3DN	Can I make the file manager do a copy as a result of a drag operation, instead of doing a "move"?	22:23
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trevarthan	konttori: you need python 2.5 or greater. Forgot to mention that.	22:25
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KaylaKaze	well, I found that opera does a great job with the images so why bother dealing with writing your own displayer? Installing nginx and php on the 770 is a snap	22:41
KaylaKaze	though I don't know if the 770 php can do the unrar	22:41
KaylaKaze	and it'd probably take forever to do it	22:41
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KaylaKaze	but I have a Apache on my desktop and all my comicbook files are there so I can just access them that way without taking up space on my 770 to store the cbr files	22:42
KaylaKaze	I'm also gonna see if I can add PDF functionality. That'd be nice. To be able to extract a single page from a PDF as a graphic. But that wouldn't work on secured PDF files	22:43
Xenon3DN	I think ghostscript will rasterize a PDF for you.	22:44
KaylaKaze	well, there doesn't seem to be a php lib that does it...	22:46
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KaylaKaze	hmmm... apparently I could make an external call to ghostscript from PHP to get the image first...	22:54
Xenon3DN	Ghostscript is pretty big though.	22:55
ericz	im wondering if i can print.. have cupsys installed on a server, the server would have apache/php, somehow make a php script that takes uploaded files and sends them to cupsys ? can you print via php?	22:58
KaylaKaze	it's on my PC not the 770	22:58
KaylaKaze	there's no way these scripts will run on a 770, the cpu just would die :-)	22:58
Xenon3DN	KaylaKaze: Yeah. Should work ok then.	22:59
KaylaKaze	Besides, the pdfs in question and the comic book files are pretty big themselves. It works much better to jsut connect to my home PC and stream them. That obviously won't allow it to work without net access though, but the evince and the default pdf viewer demonstrate that the 770 has difficulty with that stuff	23:00
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KaylaKaze	WHOA! I just found out that all this time 4NT has had line completion. I had gotten used to using tab when in my linux shell so I used it while in my windows shell and was shocked when it worked :-)	23:10
Xenon3DN	Yep.	23:10
Xenon3DN	I think you can configure the keycode that triggers it.	23:11
KaylaKaze	eeekk... I need to clean my windows path. Imagmagick can't fit	23:11
zuh	It works in the XP standard cmd too, though rather lamely by cycling all possible completions instead of showing them	23:12
Xenon3DN	Better than nothin'.	23:13
zuh	Said the flies sitting on a dungball	23:14
zuh	(million flies can't be wrong, right?-)	23:14
zuh	What I found wicked was when I accidentally scrolled the wheel on a (gnome-)terminal with 'less' open and it actually scrolled the text	23:16
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unique311	konttori i just notice i have UK player dark and light installed, and cannot remove 1 or the other via AM	23:23
unique311	reason why they are installed seperately	23:24
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unique311	1 being in the extras folder and the other in a misc folder i created	23:24
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KaylaKaze	:-( GS can't handle my PopSci files	23:25
unique311	209 users....	23:25
unique311	feck me	23:25
sxpert	http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/francestore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=6C04E07A&nplm=TM258	23:31
sxpert	cheap HDD anyone ?	23:31
Pio	haha	23:33
Pio	odd	23:34
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KaylaKaze	yay! I'll be able to do a lot of PDF files (though not all :-( )	23:39
KaylaKaze	,... somone made a typo on that HD	23:39
KaylaKaze	unless they mean it's an external enclosure that supports up to 1TB	23:39
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KaylaKaze	considering the price of the 500, I'm guessing someone dropped a 0	23:40
sxpert	there. order filled and paid for	23:41
KaylaKaze	hehehe	23:42
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KaylaKaze	I wonder if they'll ship to the US	23:42
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KaylaKaze	what's the name of that IM client that isn't GAIM?	23:50
Xenon3DN	Pidgin is the new name for GAIM.	23:50
KaylaKaze	I thought it wasn't gaim	23:53
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Xenon3DN	It is the same project, but AOL sued them over the name GAIM.	23:54
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KaylaKaze	oh ok.	23:56
KaylaKaze	so I should uninstall gaim and install pidgin	23:56
ericz	i was using gaim, but everytime i ran it, my menus would just flash and close when trying to navigate, so i switched to pidgin, having no problems	23:57

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