IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-06-19

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tkosounds like visual basic.. or visual python.. or something :)00:00
melmothok. I got it, i though it was actually python2.5-hildon00:03
melmoththis stuff will rox :)00:04
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gpdanyone got any advice on using an N800 to play media through speakers on a linux box.  I have gmediaserver running upnp to my N800 but I can only get it to play on the tablet - not from the box01:08
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gpdmaybe I should just use something like Jinzora instead...01:12
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ChrisJTortoisegpd: mpd?01:19
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gpdhe left :(01:20
gpdLooks like MMPC miight work with mpd... worth contemplating01:21
gpdI seems a shame that I can't just install something on the linux box and then select that machine from the dropdown in mediastreamer01:21
gpdbut I am lost for search terms for that option01:22
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unique311https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UserInterface02:54
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ryanfaermanwhen you are importing in GPE calendar, what kind of file is it expecting?03:00
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notostracamy screen is locked, but most of the keys work...04:26
notostracaexcept for the power key.04:26
notostracathere is not language foul enough to describe my feelings toward the application update software right now.04:28
notostracaanyone had this problem with the n800 with the latest OS version?04:30
notostracaat the very least, can someone tell me how to pry the battery out of its still-running case?04:35
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notostracagrrargh.04:46
notostracazsh must have done it.04:53
* notostraca slaps developer of zsh04:53
notostracabad installer! no biscuit!04:54
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GeneralAntillesAnybody here who might be able to tell my why Media Converter fails at converting everything?04:57
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notostracamedia-convert.com , you mean?05:11
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kulveThere has been so many questions again about the possibility to take a screenshot in the past few days, so I added my maemo screengrabber to dowloads.maemo.org..06:59
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mk8Hi to all ....10:14
devgpd: the search term is UPnP MediaRenderer, and the Coherence one works with MediaStreamer (https://coherence.beebits.net)10:24
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Pr370r14n0hi!!10:40
Pr370r14n0i need help (as mccartney say)10:40
Pr370r14n0is there anybody?10:40
kulveask the question and maybe somebody will answer..10:42
kulvewhy do people often join and ask if they can ask a question..10:42
Pr370r14n0first i have to say that my english is poor10:42
Pr370r14n0sorry10:42
inzI've seen worse10:43
Pr370r14n0i'm tring to enable the usb host in my n80010:43
inz...lot worse10:43
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Pr370r14n0and i can't10:43
Pr370r14n0i've patched the kernel10:43
Pr370r14n0http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/10:43
Pr370r14n0with this patches10:43
Pr370r14n0but when i try this:10:44
Pr370r14n0echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode10:44
Pr370r14n0n800 say me that it couldn'T create de file mode10:44
Pr370r14n0(it alredy exists)10:44
zuhkulve: There are those too that join in awkward times, ask if anyone's there and a minute later declare the project dead and leave...10:44
Pr370r14n0-sh: cannot create mode: Permission denied10:44
kulvezuh: yeah10:44
kulvePr370r14n0: tried that as root?10:45
Pr370r14n0yes10:45
inz"cannot create mode" suggests that the "file" doesn't exist10:45
inzWhich seems like som'n went wrong with the kernel compilation10:45
Pr370r14n0i know10:45
Pr370r14n0but it exists10:45
Pr370r14n0Nokia-N800-51:/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc# cat mode10:45
Pr370r14n0peripheral10:45
Pr370r14n0look10:46
Pr370r14n0i have made10:46
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Pr370r14n0chmod u+w mode10:46
Pr370r14n0echo host > mode10:46
Pr370r14n0and n800 dont make any error10:46
Pr370r14n0but the file mode still containing peripheral10:46
kulvedoes dmesg say something?10:47
Pr370r14n0anyone have a n800 with usb host working?10:47
Pr370r14n0kulve: nothing10:48
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JaffaMorning, all10:59
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Pr370r14n0anybody?11:00
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tigerthmm11:03
tigert./flasher --enable-usb-host-mode ?11:03
tigertdoes that work?11:03
Pr370r14n0i think that this is only for 77011:04
Pr370r14n0but im going to try it now11:04
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tigertwait, lemme see if it worked11:04
tigert"peripheral"11:05
tigertduh11:05
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tigertyou are right11:06
tigertbut11:07
tigertI dont have the patched kernel anyway11:07
tigertso your mileage might vary?11:07
Pr370r14n0it still not working:(11:07
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Pr370r14n0any new ideas?11:09
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Pr370r14n0well11:13
Pr370r14n0any body have dsniff working in n800?11:14
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AD-N770good morning11:20
kulvePr370r14n0: did you read the dev-mailing list through? There are some disccusion about the host mode. Try searching with the "musb_hdrc" keyword11:22
Pr370r14n0ok11:22
Pr370r14n0thanks11:22
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ptisserandhi I'm currently tryinng to rebuild python-2.5 in scratchbox but it fails with: debian/rules:13: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory11:26
ptisseranddoes someone konw which package is missing ?11:26
jonnylambptisserand: quilt11:26
ptisserandjonnylamb: do you know from which repository I can retrieve it ? apt-cache search quit doesn't find this package11:27
jonnylambptisserand: Any Debian mirror will have it.11:28
jonnylambIf you want to be horrible, you can download the deb separately and dpkg -i it.11:28
ptisserandjonnylamb: ah ok, but that's right to install it from my scratchbox SDK_ARMEL ?11:28
kulveit seems to be "all" arch11:29
jonnylambIt's just a set of Makefile rules, it's arch-indep.11:29
kulveso, there shouldn't be problems installing it to a different arch than it was compiled int11:29
jonnylambI'd recommend simply adding "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main" to /etc/apt/sources.list (assuming you're in the UK).11:29
kulvewhy an earth I have had so much troubles compiling it, when I could just have taken it as-is from debian :/11:29
ptisserandok thanks a lot for your help I will try to install quilt and check if it correct my error11:30
jonnylambkulve: it?11:30
kulvequilt11:30
jonnylambMmm, Debian repos \o/11:30
kulveI've build it for n800 and some other hardwares in the past. And for nothing..11:31
jonnylambDoes it actually need "building"?!11:32
kulvepackaging at least..11:32
jonnylambHaha, the quilt rules file patches itself!11:35
jonnylamb"Some extra love is needed to use ourselves without builddepending on us."11:35
kulve:)11:35
geaaruhi at all, anyone use sardine version?11:36
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inzgeaaru, sometimes11:42
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sbaturzioAloha!11:50
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pnainz, do you have some issues with the hildon-input?12:18
pnai can no using anymore my n80012:18
pnabecause the keyboard applet seems dead12:19
pnano rising when I hit any text-input-field12:19
pnaand i got an segfault when launch hildon-input-method12:20
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geaaruinz: pna question is same of mine? have you same problems?12:37
geaaruthank in advance12:37
inzYes, no input methods12:37
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pnaah great, we are in many ;)12:37
geaaruhave you found a solution?12:37
pnageaaru, not actually12:38
inzHmm, I'm guessing the communication between apps and the keyboard has changed12:40
inzThe keyboard starts and doesn't crash, but it still doesn't pop up12:41
pnahow do you start the keyb, for me does not work neither12:42
inzI don't get to see it12:42
inzBut if you ssh in and check ps, it's running12:42
inzHmm, there's hildon-input-method-sdk in the repo, lessee...12:43
pnaguess is the development kit12:44
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inzyeah, no luck...12:49
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geaaruso, there isn't a solution for use hildon-input-method on sardine :'(12:53
inzHumm...12:55
X-Fadegeaaru: I think it is time to file a bug. Make your problem known..12:56
X-FadeProduct:haf, component im?12:57
pnayes12:57
pnaX-Fade, sendin a main to the dev ml13:00
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geaaruyes i think that is a very very critical bug :-P13:05
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keesj''14:06
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vnesehello, i have edited to my gtk+ source somehow using the hildon desktop functions, but when i compile it, do i need sth like hildon library ?14:29
vneseand why my native gtk+ app looks so ugly when i ported it to maemo14:30
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keesjvnese: did you follow the 3.0 porting howto on maemo.org ?14:35
vneseyes14:35
vnesekeesj: i followed it to the section of creating desktop, service files14:35
vneseand i got stuck there14:35
vnesei triied ./configure , make, even make install, i saw my app in the navigation but it just didnt run14:36
keesjand it starts when running command line?14:37
keesjand configure --prefix=/usr ?14:37
vneseyes, keesj, i tried like : /usr/local/lib/myapp but the GUI is very ugly14:37
keesji only created sdl and home applets , I can't help you14:38
keesj(and played with wxLua) :p14:39
vneseso, wxwindows with lua language ?14:39
keesjyes, pretty funny if you ask me14:39
gwakkeesj: was it easy to compile lua ?14:39
onionvnese: are your running the app inside the desktop or standalone ?14:39
keesjgwak: lua yes very14:40
vneseonion: eh, neither, when i clicked on the navigation it didnt run, so i try it on command line14:41
vneseand i try run-standalone too but the gui is even uglier14:41
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keesjgwak: wxlua was a bit harder, and the package is still not 100%14:43
keesjI created a . install file http://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/packages/wxlua.install14:44
gwakkeejs:great, i will try that this evening14:44
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keesjgwak: perhaps this post is also nice http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/07/p49#more4914:45
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gwakkeesj:hmm it seems that this project http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?JiveArchitecture uses lua + sdl14:46
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gwakkeesj: i like the look of lua tho, very pyhonish14:50
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keesjI am not a huge python fan. but I do like lua. I love ruby14:53
keesjwhen I first looked at wxruby2 it was not mature enough (and very slow)14:53
konttorijust out of curiosity: what is it about python that you don't like14:53
keesjkonttori: the "self" thingy, just like when you try to write OO in perl14:54
konttorias opposed to: this in java?14:55
keesjand ruby gives me pure love14:55
gwakit does make python classes a bit wordy14:55
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keesjin java almoost everything is an object , there is a this , but you don't have to send the "self" object as first argument to each and every function14:56
keesjI guess that when you compare it to bash or perl is't much better.14:57
konttoriwell, that's a minor grip. And on the bonus side, you can call it s if you like (or whatever).14:57
keesj:P14:57
konttoriYou don't send the self argument as parameter. It's just a definition in the function itself, not in the function call.14:57
gwakfor any python fan i just saw this:14:58
gwakhttp://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=20854914:58
keesjbut it looks like python will be the choice of maemo so I need to learn to love it14:58
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konttoriI really don't think any language is that superior to another. They each have their good points and bad points. In the end, after a short getting used to, they are pretty much equal.14:59
suihkulokkiso just port ruby for maemo :)14:59
konttoriWell, except if you really need especially just those niceties. then obviously it makes sense to pick that one.14:59
keesjsuihkulokki I did it , it was to slow :(15:00
gwaki guess python has a few more years of dev then ruby15:00
gwakaccording to wikipedia 1995 for Ruby and 1991 for Python15:01
suihkulokkithe problem that people continue to reinvent things instead of improving existing...15:02
konttorigwak: nice article. thanks15:02
gla55one has a luxury if choosing the language is possible15:02
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Tonifinnish would be good programming language..15:05
keesjsuihkulokki: reinvent is a bit strong argument, there is something called evolution, we don't all want to be programming pascal for the rest of our lives15:05
gwakToni:heh, can you read finnish?15:05
keesjgwak: can you read perl?15:06
keesjback to work....15:06
Tonigwak: even my kids can ;)15:06
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Sho_It's really a shame that the input method isn't toolkit-neutral15:06
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gwaktoni:could you take a look at this link, i am trying to update some firmware , but the site is all in finnish15:07
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greedohello, is there xournal for the n800 ?15:07
gwaktoni:nevermind - i missed the 'english' flag button15:07
gwakon the site15:07
konttorigreedo: at least there was15:08
konttorihttp://downloads.maemo.org/product/xournal15:08
Tonigwak: if you look at the /who list on #maemo you notice that quite many here can be expected to be able to read Finnish..15:08
greedotoo bad it's for it200615:08
konttorimight still work on itos 2007.15:09
gwakToni:ok, then no finnish jokes here ;-]15:09
greedoyeah could try15:09
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* konttori just filed a enhancement request to bugs maemo to ask for download counters to downloads.maemo.org applications.15:13
konttorihttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156015:13
greedoi would be happy with proper filtering :D15:15
konttoriwhat do you mean by proper filtering?15:16
greedofiltering on downloads.maemo.org doesn't work15:17
konttoriTrue15:19
fatal-btw, where is the source for dspctl?15:20
kulvekonttori: about the downloads. I added my screengrabber to downloads since there has been so many questions about how to get a screenshot.. ;)15:20
konttorigreat!15:21
konttorithanks!15:21
konttoriThat was an app with GUI, right?15:21
keesjkonttori: I was about to do the same this morning.15:22
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konttoriI filed a bug on the filtering: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156115:23
kulvekonttori: not really. Just a meny entry that launches osso-screenshot-tool15:23
konttoriAhh... ok, well, if it has some delay, then that's perfectly fine.15:23
kulvei.e. start the "app" and after 5secs you have a screenshot15:24
konttorithat's great, I think.15:24
kulvelet me know if it isn't :)15:24
* konttori filed feature request for anonymous people to be able to rate apps as well. 15:29
konttorihttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156215:29
konttoriI believe they are the ones that should be rating the apps, not developers.15:29
kulveyep15:29
konttoriAnd currently it's so that almost only developers (and nokia people) have accounts.15:30
kulveanonymous can cheat on those votes easily though..15:30
konttoriYeah, well, put a staff rating as well.15:30
konttoriAnd at the moment, I don't think it would be worse than no stars at all.15:31
* keesj added https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1563 Application installer to send feedback to the providing site if install fails15:31
konttoriAnd at the moment, if you have one vote, you can put 5 stars to your application. And yes, you can rate your own application at the moment.15:31
konttorikeesj: Very nice idea15:34
konttoriI commented on it. (in support)15:34
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unique311anybody home17:21
unique311???17:21
unique311Makefile:301: *** missing separator.  Stop.17:21
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unique311i get this error...17:21
unique311for this line17:21
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unique311(cd $$subdir && $(MAKE) $(AM_MAKEFLAGS) $$local_target) \17:21
kulveunique311: you should have tab somewwhere (in the beginning of the line) but you have space?17:21
kulve+s17:21
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unique311thanks kulve17:27
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greedoare you aware of open source icons / graphics in png or svg that represent country flags ?17:52
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X-Fadegreedo: Check for 'flag svg' on wikipedia..17:59
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X-FadeAll those flag svgs are public domain..18:02
greedothx!18:04
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unique311hmmmmm18:50
unique311what is going on here18:50
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unique311http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/nokia800/20070518/18:50
unique311n80018:50
unique311angstrom for the n80018:50
unique311do i have it right...18:51
unique311it says nokia80018:51
b0unc3it's an error or it is for N800 ?18:53
unique311i think its for the n80018:53
unique311theirs another folder for nokia 77018:53
unique311but its empty...18:54
unique311so i think it is for the N80018:54
unique311http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/nokia770/18:54
unique311it is...18:55
unique311this guy Koen Kooi is the mentor for the project..18:56
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unique311http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/18:57
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koenthose are experiments to get a 99.9% opensource image running on the n80018:57
vnesehello, i got some probs with the app which i ported from GTK+ to maemo18:57
unique311mid way, nokia770 and nokia80018:57
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vnesei cant use the function gtk_wigdet_show /hide in maemo18:58
unique311whats the percentage like on the N800 koen?18:58
koenonly the umac.ko kernel-module is binary18:58
konttoriSorry to be ignorant, but what is angstrom?18:59
vneseand i cant catch motion_notify_event too18:59
nelsonkonttori: Koen's fork of Familiar.18:59
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koennelson: it's not a fork18:59
nelsonkonttori: and if your next question is "what is Familiar?" it's the Handhelds.org distro.19:00
unique311fork being a good thing or bad?19:00
nelsonkoen: no, of course ... it's a "move".19:00
nelsonhehe.19:00
konttoriI was actually already trying to get screenshot of it in the net19:00
konttorihttp://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/main.php19:00
koennelson: it is something completely new, it isn't based on familiar19:00
nelsonunique311: you can never tell with forks.  Takes time.19:01
nelsonAngstrom is based on Familiar.19:01
unique311http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20587 konttorri19:01
unique311http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20587 konttori19:01
koennelson: how so?19:01
koennelson: any evidence for that?19:01
koenlast I checked familiar wasn't EABI19:01
nelsonKoen: errrr, Angstrom is your fork of Familiar after we fired you as distro manager.19:02
koenangstrom exist way before that19:02
konttoriunique311: so, is that basically stripped gnome desktop?19:02
* nelson leaves Koen in his fantasy world.19:02
koenfunny how something based on openzaurus is not a fork of familiar19:02
zyxulnag1how does one flash the image?19:03
zyxulnag1is it done with the standard nokia utility?19:03
unique311most distro's out there or forks...nothing wrong with forks...19:03
nelsonnothing wrong with forks.19:03
nelsonSometimes they're better than the original.19:03
nelsonFor example, it looks like the GPE-Linuxtogo fork is better than the GPE-Handhelds original.19:04
konttoriSo, is angstom good for end user use?19:04
unique311fork is such a strong word...how about a distro based on another...19:04
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nelsonunique311: I think people are unreasonably afraid of forks.19:04
nelsonforks exist because of a problem .... nobody forks if there are no problems to be solved.19:05
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nelsondoesn't mean that a fork is inevitable, just that a fork is a reasonable solution to some problems.19:05
vneseany idea pls19:05
nelsonvnese: I have no idea, sorry.19:05
unique311so familiar is all you then nelson?19:07
unique311when can we expect that on the n800?19:07
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nelsonunique311: sigh.  It really belongs on the n800, but I have too many demands on my time.19:08
zyxulnag1oh it uses the same kernel as the one supplied by nokia19:09
unique311which zyxulnag119:10
zyxulnag1zImage-2.6.18-osso29-nokia80019:10
unique311familiar or angstrom19:10
zyxulnag1angstorm19:10
nelsonoh, yeah, you'd be crazy not to.19:10
unique311guessing we gonna see that on n800 before familiar..19:10
zyxulnag1I was hoping it had a better wireless/usb driver19:10
nelsonyep.19:10
unique311same thing so its no biggie19:10
nelsonno, it's not the same thing.  That's why Koen forked it.19:11
unique311when can we expect this koen?19:11
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koennelson: again, support your slander with evidence19:12
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zyxulnag1koen: are you using the n800 drivers for wireless?19:12
koenzyxulnag1: yes19:12
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koenyou need the umac.ko that nokia ships with the device19:12
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VimShello everybody20:09
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TimRiker~logs20:39
infoboti guess logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz20:39
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trevarthanMan, I just installed my dev version of ukmp on my win32 machine. All I did was install python 2.5 and pygame, then feed python the path to MediaCenter. graphics, audio, and sqlite worked out of the box. Python is amazing.20:53
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tkoI tried installing ukmp and gave up after failing with second level dependencies20:57
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tkoit's sad when stuff doesn't "just work" even with a centrally available repository20:58
trevarthantko: all ukmp requires is python. you can get that from the pymaemo project.21:00
trevarthanI'm not sure what you mean by second level.21:01
tkoukmp complains about python, trying to install python complains about sdl something IIRC, I give up21:01
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melmothworked out of the box (but i already had python2.5-runtime installed that may ship nearly all that is pyhton related)21:06
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trevarthanyeah, python 2.5 should be all you need.21:09
trevarthantko: you using an n800?21:09
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tkoyep.. not having python I looked it up from the application catalog21:10
trevarthanhuh. I already had python on my n800. not sure where I got it from.21:11
trevarthancanola maybe?21:11
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luck^trevarthan, tko, download it from pymaemo.garage.maemo.org21:12
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tkoso it's not in the obvious place, is it?21:14
aCiDBaSewhy not?21:14
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melmothdeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free21:15
melmothapt-get install python2.5-runtime (from memory , not 100% about spelling) and here you go.21:16
luck^melmoth, its right21:17
aCiDBaSemelmoth: I think you need do add: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free too...21:17
luck^you can use the .install files from pymaemo website21:17
tkoluck^: not the one from application catalog?21:17
luck^tko, that one will have some unmet dependencies, because it doesn't install the base repository21:18
melmothaCiDBaSe, possible..i have this one as well :)21:18
tkonice going...21:19
tkodoesn't anyone think of the users?21:19
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aCiDBaSewe can't add more than one repo to the apt/Application Installer using a .install file and python requires some dependencies from Maemo SDK repository...21:19
aCiDBaSethen we need to provide 2 .install files21:20
luck^I think the new application installer will support install files with more than 1 source repository21:20
aCiDBaSeone to add the Maemo SDK repository and other to add the Extras repository (and install python2.5-runtime)21:20
trevarthanbare minimum we shouldn't be putting things in the app installer that depend on external repos.21:22
trevarthanBTW, konttori and I have ukmp caching ID3 meta data in our dev versions right now. He wrote one that uses flat files and I wrote one that uses sqlite. I'm waiting on him to decide which we'll use in the immediate future. I think ukmp stands a good chance at being the best player for maemo a few months from now.21:24
trevarthanI'm going to be working on a2dpd support in the next few days.21:24
trevarthanshould be sweet.21:24
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JohnMeachamanyone know how to mount an nfs volume on the N800?22:19
kulveyeah22:20
kulveload the modules, install real mount and mount22:21
kulve(I think22:21
kulve)22:21
zuhYes22:21
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zuh(no GUI ways around that I know of)22:22
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VimSanyone know howto update the libglade2 on my 770 with hacker2007 ? :(22:25
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tkozuh: I think you missed step 0: write GUI for... :)22:29
zuhtko: Yeah, it should be "write/port gnomevfs-plugin and make the filemanager allow mounting" but I guess that's not going to happen ;)22:31
zuhWell, I guess the plugin would be mostly unneccessary22:31
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VimSno one know about libglade2 ?23:02
VimS:(23:02
keesjno one knows about how to setup sbox under ubuntu festy , and get the dns working!23:03
* VimS is googles sbox ;)23:04
mgedminkeesj: it's a faq23:04
mgedminfind the broken nsswitch.conf and remove mdns from it23:05
mgedminiirc it's in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf23:05
VimSahh scratchbox -_-23:05
mgedminand the important line is the one that should say "hosts: files dns" but instead mentions two more (nonexistent) modules23:05
VimSseems like everybody got a n800 these days, hm? :/23:06
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keesjmgedmin: you make me feel so good! thanks23:08
keesjis was looking in /etc/ of the sbox target23:08
keesj(I am using the new sbox package from sbox.org)23:09
mgedminyes, that's confusing23:10
keesjI guess they must have worked very hard to make it not work :P23:10
mgedminthere's resolv.conf in the target's /etc, and also in the target's /scratchbox/etc23:10
mgedminsame with nsswitch.conf23:10
mgedmin(and target's /scratchbox is the same as host's /scratchbox due to the magick of bind mounts)23:11
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