IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-06-07

harleypigWhat's a good bluetooth keyboard for the n800?00:01
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b0unc3harleypig: the nokia sw-8w would have to work00:08
tigertharleypig: just get used to the thumb keyboard00:09
tigertits much nicer00:09
tigertif you really use the device when on the go00:09
harleypigI haven't even tried it ...00:09
tigertbluetooth keyboards are fun when you are sitting on a desk where you have you laptop along anyway as well :)00:10
tigerttry it00:10
tigertits not too bad, I irc with it just nicely00:10
tigertthe drawback is you dont see the app while typing, but thats minor issue00:10
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harleypigHmmm ... I'm not seeing it ... do I have to install it?00:11
||cwhold your finger on the text box for a few seconds then let go00:12
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harleypigOh.  Interesting.00:14
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konttoriukmp 1.1 out!00:19
konttorihttp://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-11.html00:19
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konttoriIncludes OGG support!00:23
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konttoriMan, vmware fusion looks cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIApJMzGzDQ00:40
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konttoriInteresting. 189 $ laptop from asus00:44
konttorihttp://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/114773/asus-stuns-computex-with-100-laptop.html#00:44
konttoriruns linux00:45
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konttorilarger image: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/picture_library/dir_125/it_portal_pic_62535.jpg?75100:45
konttoriAnother take http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/00:47
konttoriLooks really nasty competition to foleo as well as internettablet. (ok, nastier for foleo, less nasty for n800 - but WILL effect whole internet appliance market.)00:48
konttoriIn this image you can see how small asus is: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=4007600:50
b0unc3konttori: looks really interesting!00:50
konttoriindeed00:50
javamaniacnice toy!00:51
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konttoriwe'll see if it's that much a toy. Might work pretty nicely for the ubiquitous communication device.00:51
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zakxif they're really releasing it anyway00:53
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konttoritrue.00:55
konttoriOTOH, they did refer availability this year.00:56
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tigertno pics of the ui though01:16
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unique311ok, i haven't touch my n800 in 3 days.......wtf.01:20
sethstormthat isnt a bad thing01:20
unique311not good at all01:20
unique311finally fixed my thinkpad...had issues with it....but still undecided as to what OS to install on it..01:22
sethstormdualboot if you're undecided ;)01:22
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derfI finally got everything working on my thinkpad.01:28
derfSuspend, hibernate, monitor switching, ultrabay switching...01:29
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tigerthow did you make ultrabay work? on linux?01:43
tigertpost tutorial :)01:43
unique311thinkpad ?01:46
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unique311i have a t41p old.............01:46
unique311but i paid 30 dollars for it..so its a great catch01:47
unique311running mediacenter on it..right now...might keep it media center and just run vmware01:48
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SeRi_zZZzZzI havea t30 running FC602:00
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unique311whats new in maemo, besides nokia messing with thoughtfix02:45
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unique311free thoughtfix....i have the tshirts in the making...02:45
trevarthanSo..... I'm thinking we need some new GTK widgets designed just for touch screens.02:48
trevarthanYou know, widgets with inertia and stuff like that.02:48
trevarthanBTW, does the n800 have any 3D hardware? Or is it purely a 2D device?02:48
sp3000well, it has several millimetres or depth02:51
sp3000so year three-dee hardware :D02:52
* sp3000 is sleepy, can you tell02:52
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trevarthanYeah, I just read something by pancake stating that there's some sort of licensing for the 3D chipset, and the mobo isn't very well designed to accomodate 3d performance even if there was a driver.02:53
trevarthanBut still, we could still do inertial widgets.02:54
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edtIf you add a folder by mistake on the n800's application starter, how do you remove it?03:16
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trevarthanNot sure. I usually use the simple starter.03:17
trevarthanIt's a one bar starter that takes up less space and I think is easier to deal with.03:18
edtcan you remove it from the menu? (I have had my n800 3 hours...)03:20
trevarthanCan you remove what from the menu?03:20
edton the left of the screen03:21
trevarthanYeah, you can uninstall it. You can also move it to a different folder on the left.03:21
trevarthanGo to Tools -> Navigation and I think click to tab in the upper left to move things around.03:22
trevarthanIf you want to uninstall something then you can do that from Tools -> Application Manager03:22
edtno tool navigation here - I have half figured out the app manager...03:24
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trevarthanoh, sorry03:31
trevarthanit's Tools -> Control Panel -> Navigation03:32
trevarthanI'm doing this from memory. My wife is playing with my n800.. :)03:32
edthow do you use simple launcher?03:34
trevarthanInstall it from app manager, then go to your desktop, click the down arrow next to "home", and add the applet to your desktop.03:35
trevarthanonce it's on your desktop you go to the "home" menu again and configure it.03:35
trevarthanHere's a little video about the canola applet that will give you an idea what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hCg90Pz0as03:37
trevarthanBTW, *do* *not* install the zsh or maemo weather packages. They'll royal jack up your tablet.03:40
rwhitbyIDEA is a good launcher too03:42
rwhitby(and has a transparent background, compared to the ugly white of the simple launcher that I tried03:42
trevarthanyeah, it's a bulky beast though.03:42
* rwhitby touts http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800/03:43
edthow do you control here apps get installed?03:45
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trevarthanIt usually asks you where you want to put them at install time. Usually. That's about all the control you have.03:46
* trevarthan touts http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n80003:46
* trevarthan likes rwhitby's theme better than his own. :)03:46
* edt collects links03:48
rwhitbytrevarthan: yeah, but your site has more content :-)03:49
edtwhen I updated to the latest kernel all the apps I installed were lost.  Is this par for the course?03:49
trevarthanIf by "kernel", you mean "firmware", then "yes", it's par for course.03:49
trevarthanHowever, the kernel itself is actually independently flashable apart from the rest of the firmware.03:50
trevarthanFor example, if you want to use an SDHC card with the current firmware, you can do this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_flash_the_SDHC_kernel_w/out_connecting_to_a_computer03:51
trevarthanWhich won't overwrite any of your applications.03:51
edtguess I will have to figure out how to get the inventory before updating and have apt-get reinstall after03:51
trevarthanedt: Check out http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800#Network_Backups03:51
trevarthanBack it up once you've got it running the way you like, then worry about the details later.03:52
edtanyone know of a respository with synergy on it?03:52
SeRisynergy hasent been fully ported03:52
edthow much works?03:53
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SeRilet me link u03:53
trevarthanHere you go: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/03:54
trevarthanKeesj does a lot of good work. You'll also want to check out his acmonitor (linked at the bottom of my page).03:54
SeRihttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/03:55
trevarthanI don't use synergy personally, so I don't know how well it works. I use the thumb keyboard.03:55
SeRiread the notes03:55
trevarthanhuh. didn't know there was a 1.3 vs 2.0. What's the difference?03:56
edthey you have ruby too!03:57
SeRiacmonitor is pretty c00l I did had some problems at first had to hack it a bit03:57
SeRithats the old port of ruby03:58
SeRiuse p3503:58
SeRihttp://pierre.droids-corp.org/maemo/03:58
trevarthanWhat did you change in acmonitor? I've noticed some strangeness from it too, but I've never bothered tracking it down.03:58
SeRi^^ latest ruby + rails03:58
SeRiand rubygems03:59
SeRiI change the behavior in the charging monitoring03:59
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trevarthanIt doesn't save it's settings does it? Might be neat to have it do that so you don't have to reconfigure after a reboot.04:00
SeRiif I would set  the time different fomr the default when I would turn it off it would never dim down and never charge or take for ever04:00
SeRiso I set to not save when charging04:01
trevarthanI've seen it lock the screen on at times. Usually when I'm running canola and the ac is plugged in.04:01
SeRiyea it acts up when charging04:02
SeRiso I have it to ignore04:02
trevarthanOh, edt, check out keesj's netdate deb too. Handy for setting time via NTP. I've been meaning to set up a .desktop file for it for the longest time. I need to do that one of these days.04:03
trevarthanSeRi: So you don't have it do anything special when charging? What's the point then?04:03
SeRiI use it most when not charging :D04:03
trevarthanBut I thought the whole point of acmonitor was to change the settings when it's plugged in vs not plugged in?04:04
SeRifor example when I am using metasploit04:04
SeRiacmonitor was use to change the behavior of the screen dim and turn off and remeber the times you want them to dim and turn off and remember them that way you didnt have to change it each time04:05
SeRione setting for battery and one setting for charging04:06
SeRibefore every time you reboot you had to set it manually each time04:06
trevarthanSo if you set it to ignore charging, what's the point in using it?04:06
SeRiwith acmonitor you dont04:06
trevarthanoh04:06
SeRi;)04:06
trevarthanyou just use it to remember settings between boots then?04:07
SeRiyes :)04:07
edtDoes the built in email app support ssl?04:07
SeRino04:07
trevarthanAh. I didn't think it did that. I've had it lose my settings between boots. Maybe we're using different versions?04:07
SeRiuse claws-mail04:07
SeRiI think04:07
trevarthanYeah, claws-mail is the shiznit.04:07
edtfrom where?04:08
SeRi@trevarthan let me link you04:08
trevarthanedt: http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/04:09
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trevarthanedt: or here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/claws-mail04:10
SeRisnap the page is offline... you have a email I can seend it to?04:11
trevarthanYeah. jesse@guardiani.us04:11
trevarthanI'm gonna go play some Gears of War gentlemen. Talk to you all later.04:12
SeRilaterz04:15
edtthanks for the help04:15
edtthis is one of  the reasons for getting a n800!04:15
edtany progress on getting opengl aware drivers for the box?04:17
SeRiman that would be awesme but I think the processor wont take it04:20
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GeneralAntillesOpenGL would be amazing.04:39
* luisv watches ukmp actually find album covers of his oggs, is pleased and amazed04:40
luisvukmp is love, that is all. night!04:45
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kamuiAs the proud owner of a new N800, I just learned that I apparently can't use my Wm6 smartphones ulimited data connection with it?05:13
kamuiseems that it doesn't support dial up networking profile anymore, but shared internet connection through PAN, is there any known workarounds?05:13
kamuiare05:14
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edthow do you use becomeroot?05:34
rwhitbyinstall it, and an xterm, then open the xterm and type "sudo gainroot"05:36
rwhitbyor just install ssh and ssh in.05:39
rwhitby(then you don't need becomeroot)05:39
rwhitby(but you do need to be able to access the n800 over the network)05:39
edthow do you get the ip - its dhcp assigned here (its easy if you are root)05:45
kamuiifconfig should still give you your addresses05:50
kamuiyou just cant change or configure the hardware without root access05:50
edtifconfig is not found as 'user'05:51
kamui. /sbin/ifconfig05:51
kamuitry that05:51
edtyes05:52
edtfigured that out too05:52
edtthanks05:52
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kamuiso that worked or you're being sarcastic and letting me know you've already tried that05:52
kamuiI have yet to install the console on my shiny new n80005:52
edtis there a shortcut to go to full screen05:52
kamuiIm still trying to get this god damn pan internet connection working05:53
edtnot sarcastic - kicking myself for asking a stupid question05:53
edtmine is about 5 hours old now05:53
kamui:)05:53
edtyep05:53
kamuiwell Im glad im not the only new one in here05:53
kamuiI haven't even tried to install any new software yet05:54
edtbirthdays presents can be fun05:54
kamuiHappy Birthday to you then buddy :)05:54
edtthanks05:54
rwhitbyedt: The Connection Manager also has a menu item to show the network address05:59
kamuilooks like I "MAY" have found a script will allow a pan connection to my Dash05:59
kamuithis is such a damn chore05:59
kamuinot at all what I expected when I bought this thing06:00
kamuiotherwise I feel It may replace my C300006:00
kamuiisn't this supposed to support WPA-PSK TKIP?06:02
edtwpa wooks here06:05
kamuiI just fixed it06:06
kamuilooks like I thumbed the wrong password :-D06:06
kamuinow if I can find a way to get this pan ics working I think Ill be really happy06:06
edtits nice to be able to ssh into the box06:07
edtsee http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800/06:07
edthe has some good stuff doced06:08
mhzhuhello, where can I find some slides about maemo ? thx !06:09
edtrwhitby thanks - with the pointer I found it06:14
pupnik_ruby on rails describes my last bondage fetish girlfriend06:17
pupnik_HO-guage06:17
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kamuisems that rwhitby site is down now06:26
rwhitbyI sure hope not06:27
rwhitbylooks up to me06:28
kamuithere we go, its magically back :)06:32
rwhitbyI restarted the web server :-)06:34
kamuithanks06:37
kamuiIm using your guide to set up my new n80006:37
kamuithen Ill tackle PAN ICS06:37
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kamuirwhitby u still there07:19
kamuiI install becomeroot, but how do I actually BECOME root?07:19
kamuiI tried SU'ing but I get a this app needs privaledges07:19
rwhitbysudo gainroot07:19
kamuiand sudo su also fails with that default root password07:19
kamuiohhh07:19
kamuisweet, thanks man07:20
kamuican I set a password on my regular user account?07:26
kamuior is this a bad idea that could break stuff07:26
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unique311GOOGLE taking over the world...08:29
unique311http://maps.google.com/maps08:30
unique311try the new street view feature...08:30
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jga23is there any reason why after editing my systemui.xml that the soft power off option wouldn't be in my menu after a reset?08:41
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konttorimorning!10:11
unique311hello10:12
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jga23anybody have any experience with mono on maemo?10:22
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konttoriJust python. Is mono already working properly in maemo?10:30
konttoriHow much does mono weight?10:31
jga23I just ran the installer10:32
jga23but I can't seem to find mcs or gmcs (the compilers)10:32
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konttoridid you install it on device?10:35
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jga23yeah, but I think I missed a couple libraries10:35
konttoriI don't think that installer contains compilers.10:35
konttoriDid you install from here: http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo10:35
jga23yeah10:35
konttoriThe install there only contains the runtime10:36
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konttoriYou should compile the app on mono on your pc.10:36
konttoriYou can install mono 'devkit' on windows and linux.10:36
konttorijust compile on your desktop, test the app, when it works, copy it to your n800 / 770 and run it there.10:37
jga23I've looked into python as well, is that easy to create gui apps?10:37
konttoripython is really nice for creating pretty much anything.10:38
konttoriI did ukmp on it:10:38
konttorithere's a small video: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html10:38
konttoriDo you want to make gtk app or a full graphic app?10:39
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jga23either10:39
konttoriOk, well, python is great for both.10:39
jga23do you recommend any tutorials?10:40
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konttorihttp://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html10:41
jga23what clock applet is that on your demo?10:41
jga23pretty sweet app btw :)10:42
konttoriOh, that's just part of the theme.10:42
konttoriI just made the clock bg image transparent.10:42
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jga23no way to create an applet in python, right?10:43
konttoriNo yet.10:43
konttoriNext firmware will hopefully allow it.10:43
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konttoriif you want to create a full graphic based app like UKMP, then you need ot use pygame (part of the python install)10:45
konttorihttp://www.pygame.org/news.html10:45
jga23if I just want to use standard controls, I just need the pygtk, right?10:46
konttoriyeah10:46
konttoriAnd that maemo tutorial should help you through it nicely.10:46
jga23thanks10:47
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rwhitbykonttori: is there a way to exit ukmp using a hardware key?11:08
rwhitby(ukmp is pretty cool, btw - used it for the first time for a vidcast and a podcast on the bus to and from work)11:08
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konttoriNope, no hardware key. Just press the fullscreen toggle and then close the app normally.11:12
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konttoriI did have close binded to a key at some point, but it was all too easy to accidentally press it, so I opted for a no hardware key approach.11:14
konttoriI probably should add an exit button to the app somewhere.11:14
konttorirwhitby: Did you already upgrade to UKMP 1.1?11:15
rwhitbykonttori: what about the normal usage of holding down the back arrow, which normally closes an application but can't be pushed accidentally11:15
konttoriI use back to switch between views. So, it would even then be a bit accidental to hold it down.11:16
AD-N770good morning11:16
rwhitbyhow about holding it down a *long* time ;-)11:16
konttoriOTOH, that is the button I would choose as well.11:16
rwhitbythat was the first thing I tried instinctively11:16
rwhitby(cause all the other apps do that)11:16
konttoriThey do? In that case, I'll add that as well.11:17
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konttoriok. 2 secs down and close. I'll add that to next version.11:17
rwhitbyyep, running 1.1 (had to look for it, cause it's called mediacenter rather than ukmp)11:17
konttoriI'll fix the name as well. good point.11:18
rwhitbykonttori: the other thing I will be looking for is a way to delete files easily (this is for the "listen to a podcast, and then delete it and listen to the next one" use case)11:19
konttoriIndeed. I've been wanting to do that as well. I thought I'd add that at the same time with party queue, but maybe that's something to be added even sooner.11:19
rwhitby(but that can be in a menu item, you wouldn't want to press a key for that accidentally)11:20
konttoriI was thinking that user should choose mode to be delete mode. Then when you click on a song, it will be deleted. Sounds good?11:21
rwhitbyI'm coming from a background of using Pocket Tunes on a Treo 650 for podcast and audio listening, so that colours my opinions.11:21
konttoriThen you could delete many songs in a row easily.11:21
rwhitbyhmm - that would be good for multiple deletes, but for the podcast use case I'd only ever want to delete one at a time, so just a menu->file->delete would be fine11:22
rwhitbySince in that use case I'd only delete a file every half hour or hour, I wouldn't even care if it had a confirm dialog box as well :-)11:23
konttoriHmm... I'm not sure if I can use GTK menus in a pygame app. I'll have to check into that.11:24
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raharuhi12:20
raharuI'd like to know if its possible to develop for maemo with debian-ppc12:20
raharuI mean, if there is any problem with the arch12:21
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guardianwhat's the easiest way to connect to the n800 through ssh ?12:50
guardianwanted to search gmane but it's borked12:51
rwhitbyinstall the ssh package12:51
X-FadeInstall openssh? ;)12:51
rwhitbyguardian: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/n800/n800-initial-setup.html12:52
guardiani installed ssh package12:53
guardiansshd is running12:53
guardianwhat's user/pass ?12:53
rwhitbyroot/rootme12:54
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guardianand the pass for user ?12:54
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guardianrwhitby: what's the use of becomeroot when you can login as root with ssh ?12:57
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dpb_you don't need ssh with becomeroot :)12:58
guardianand you enter the wonderful world of the command line through and virtual keyboard joy ? :)12:59
guardian-through12:59
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dpb_yep12:59
rwhitbyguardian: in case you're not near another computer and only have a wifi connection13:05
rwhitby(yes, I have both methods combined in the one blog entry there with no explanation)13:05
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rwhitbyfixed13:09
suihkulokkireminder for everyone.. if you enable ssh, change the root password13:10
suihkulokki..or get rooted13:10
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guardianthx for the help13:31
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Gathajawould someone know how can I use wlancond to make scan request?  I tried with osso functions and keep getting OSSO_RPC_ERROR14:31
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mhzhuhello, how to pronounce the word "maemo" ? thx!15:22
tigerttimeless: around?15:23
tigertor, later actually, got to run.-15:24
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thomasvsis there anyone who knows what enprocess is or does ?15:28
nomismhzhu: mah-amo15:36
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thomasvsok, so what's the correct way to upgrade my n800 (with the original software) to the latest 3.1 version ?15:47
thomasvsis it reflashing and losing all my data/new apps ? or is there a better way ?15:48
rwhitbythat's the only way to do it properly.15:48
rwhitbyyou could try and flash the kernel and upgrade the rootfs in place from the repository, but I do things like that for the NSLU2 and I don't think I'd attempt it on the n800.15:49
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mhzhunomis: thx!15:50
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geaaru/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `osso_g_scanner_cache_open'16:27
geaarusomeone16:28
geaaruknow where is defined osso_g_scanner_cache_open ?16:28
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pulsar_geaaru: it must be included in the glib16:29
pulsar_let me guess, you had a dist-upgrade?16:29
geaarui try16:29
geaaruty16:29
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geaarupulsar_: after dist-upgrade works, also if i have some error with some package16:33
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geaarubut then on n800 i have some problem because on bora env there isn't libpangocairo :(16:39
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pulsar_let me see if its in one of the repositories i have set up on the n80016:45
pulsar_well, there is a libpango and libcairo2 but not that one which you have mentioned.16:46
pulsar_libpangocairo sounds like BS btw :)16:47
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zuhlibpangocairo comes with pango, if it is built with cairo support (which it isn't on N800 AFAIK)16:47
geaaruwau, if isn't on n800 because is linked? :'(16:48
geaarusorry i'm under sardine release and so pango is with cairo support16:50
pulsar_geaaru: install libpango1.0-0 and see if it includes the cairo support.16:51
pulsar_or whatever version is up to date on sardine16:51
inzThe package is 1.0-0, version is 1.16.416:52
geaarupulsar_:  my fault, on my scratchbox i have up to date sardine version while, on n800 bora relaese, now i try to compile with a new bora scratchbox env16:54
geaaruthank16:54
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Mikhohelp needed again17:04
MikhoI'm trying very hard to install anjuta, and it seems it requires gdl-1.017:04
Mikhothe gdl that comes with ubuntu feisty doesn't seem to be up to date enough, so I downloaded the source package and managed to ./configure make make install it17:05
Mikhogdl works from the command line allright, but I still can't ./configure anjuta source package, because it can't find gdl:s pkg-config file17:06
Mikhohow can I create it so that I can use pkg-config to find out the associated libraries and include files?17:07
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MikhoIn a general sense, if I install something from sources, how do I make pkg-config find it afterwards?17:16
Mikhoanybody?17:16
zuhMikho: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/prefix/lib/pkgconfig17:19
Mikhobut there's no .pc file17:21
Mikhowhere does it come from?17:21
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inzMikho, why don't you use the anjuta packaged for ubuntu?17:33
Mikhobecause it's anjuta, not anjuta217:33
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guardianare there translucent windows/widgets in gtk ? i would like to have a translucent window/widget on top of other windows17:34
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jga23anybody get mono working?17:50
Mikholinux newbie lesson no. 1: Don't bother install anything from sources. You'll just get lost in the dependency-jungle. Instead search for a ready-made package.17:50
Mikholinux newbie lesson no. 1: If you can't find the package, forget about the software. It's not worth the trouble.17:51
Mikhohm, that was two lessons17:51
b0unc3jga23: yes...17:54
jga23b0unc3: how do you get mcs and gmcs on the device?17:55
b0unc3jga23: you probably don't need them on the device17:57
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jga23b0unc3: fair enough..... were you able to get 2.0 libraries?  the mono maemo install only had 1.017:58
b0unc3jga23: I follow http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo and this http://maemo.org/community/wiki/mono17:59
jga23yeah, I did the single install click18:00
b0unc3me too18:01
jga23when I tried to execute a program it was looking for the 2.0/mscorlib18:01
jga23but all that was installed was the 1.0/mscorlib18:01
b0unc3I have 1.0/mscorlib and 2.0/mscorlib18:02
b0unc3jga23: you find libmono-system2.0-cil with apt ?18:05
jga23yeah, I just installed that :)18:05
jga23trying to run my app again...18:05
jga23great, that works18:06
jga23thanks18:07
b0unc3jga23: np :)18:07
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jga23so theres no way to get the gmcs and mcs on the device?18:09
b0unc3jga23: I have them on scratchbox18:10
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Mikhowatching code while ./configure make make install:ing feels a bit like Matrix18:31
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dragornblonde, redhead, uninitialized variable18:32
Mikho:)18:32
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Mikhosuccess! after 6 hours and 30 mins I finally managed to install anjuta2 \o/18:35
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thomasvsis it possible that a restore of 110 mb is terribly slow ?19:04
thomasvsit's been going at it for three hours now and it's at 15%, restoring email messages19:05
gla55hmm19:05
gla55entirely possible.. it progresses at leas?19:05
zuhthomasvs: Sounds a bit slow, but the flash is indeed slow (doubly so since it's compressed)19:06
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thomasvsgla55: it progresses, but I have a plane in a little bit :)19:18
thomasvsgla55: not sure if my batteries will hold for that long while it is restoring19:18
thomasvsshit19:19
thomasvsI just cancelled it by accident19:19
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Mikhoanybody using anjuta? Any problems with the project manager?19:29
MikhoLike even if you create and load a new project, it says "no project loaded" on the project page?19:30
Mikhooh, it seems to be because of a older version of gnome-build library19:32
Mikhoit seems they forgot to update the dependency :/19:33
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Mikhoindeed, the problem was with an old libgbf20:15
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du2hi d21:23
du2there21:23
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du2stupid problem...21:25
du2i want to autostart a sdl-app as last prog to come up21:25
du2i added a script in init.d21:25
du2gave it +x with chmod21:25
du2added a softlink to it in rc.221:26
du2rc2.d21:26
du2doesnt work21:26
du2(link name: S99appname)21:26
du2where else should i add a programm to autostart??21:28
zuhDo you set up the environment (DISPLAY, possibly others)?21:29
du2?? what environemt could it need?? it works when the n800 is running - i connect myself via ssh - cd to the app's basedir and write ./appname21:29
du2my script does:21:30
du2cd /appname21:30
du2./appname21:30
du2(and starts with #!/bin/sh21:30
zuhIf you log in via ssh, it sets up the environment (try 'echo $GTK2_RC_FILES' for example in the ssh session)21:32
du2Nokia-N800-10:/sme# echo $GTK2_RC_FILES21:33
du2/home/user/.osso/current-gtk-theme:/home/user/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme21:33
du2Nokia-N800-10:/sme#21:33
zuhYour sdl APP really needs at least the DISPLAY to find the X server21:33
du2okay21:33
du2$DISPLAY is $0:021:33
sp3000something like su user run-standalone.sh ./app?21:33
* sp3000 speculates wildly21:34
zuhThat'd work I guess21:34
zuh'source /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh' in the beginning of the rc script might do it too21:35
du2ok...21:35
du2thanks21:35
||cwan X app should start from init.d, you shoudl use xinit21:36
||cwer, shoudln't start frm init,d21:37
||cwaf-init is the osso equiv of xinit?21:37
zuhNo21:37
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du2display was it21:37
zuhaf-init is just a collective name for the startup scripts specific to maemo, AFAIK21:38
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mk8Hi to all ...21:54
du2hi mk821:54
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N800vmware 6  running the scratchbox image...can't get it to work..23:05
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N800https://www.mediamax.com/23:16
N800saw it on a post on maemo.org23:17
N80025GB free23:17
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gla55is it fast?23:27
zyxulnagayou can setup an ubuntu vmware image and install scratchbox23:28
N800lazy23:28
N800i want to use the already made VM of scratchbox..23:29
N800works on my XP23:29
N800very fast23:29
N800desktop that is..23:29
N800going to try 5.5.3 and see if the error is only in 623:29
zyxulnagawhere is the image23:29
zyxulnagamaybe i can try it23:29
zyxulnagai got 6 running23:29
N800its big..23:30
zyxulnagagive me url23:30
N800http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/70223:30
zyxulnagahttp://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/70223:31
zyxulnagaoh ok23:31
zyxulnagahehe i just google'd it23:31
zyxulnagait has an old ass ubuntu23:31
N800it works...23:31
N800you can update..23:32
N800heh23:32
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zyxulnagaI got mine with the latest23:32
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N800I would mind installing ubuntu and then setting up scratchbox..23:35
zyxulnagame too but now I got it done23:35
N800'but i'm going to try the appliance in 5.5.3 and if that doesn't work..23:35
zyxulnagadidnt know about that image23:35
N800give manually a try23:35
zyxulnagajust a tip use ubuntu23:36
zyxulnagaits a pain in other dristro23:36
konttoriI have 0.1 running as well (in osx) no probs installing it.23:36
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toresbeHey guys - anyone have an N800? ;)23:38
konttoriYeah23:38
N800i have osx86 running....i should try to run vmware fusion on that...23:38
N800but i doubt speed will be up to par23:38
konttoriFusion runs brilliantly.23:38
toresbeI'd just love to try the Internet Call thing, could someone add me/me add someone so we could try it?23:38
konttoriFull speed23:38
N800on osx legal..23:38
N800i have a hackintosh23:39
konttoriJust allocate a bit more ram than default.23:39
konttoriI have mac mini as well23:39
N800only have 1GB of ram..23:39
konttori1 gig here as well23:39
N800tried running a developer livecd...and it froze after i unzipped a file..23:39
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konttoriit defaults to 256 megs of ram. Allocate 384 and you should be just fine23:39
konttoriand still be able to run all apps pretty much normal23:40
konttoriin osx and ubuntu23:40
toresbe Anyone?23:41
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N800i have 123:41
N800own23:41
N800guessing alot of people in here own one...23:42
toresbe22:37 < toresbe> I'd just love to try the Internet Call thing, could someone add me/me add someone so we could try it?23:42
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N800hmmmm. just woke up man....very anal about how i look when i just got up....23:43
toresbehehe23:43
N800that has to wait23:43
toresbeFor the record, I've been gardening for hours now23:43
toresbeI look worse ;P23:43
N800k, i will point the camera at the laptop screen...23:43
N800les do it23:44
toresbe:)23:44
toresbeI'm toresbe@jabber.org23:44
N800k23:44
N800hold on23:44
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N800i sent u an invite23:48
N800contact offline23:48
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toresbeI should get the offer soon23:48
toresbeno such luck23:49
N800hold23:50
N800do you have gmail instead?23:50
toresbesure, but that shouldn't matter23:50
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N800check now23:51
N800i sent u an autorization request23:51
toresbehaven't gotten it23:52
toresbelet's try with Google Talk.23:52
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toresbeI'm toresbe@gmail.com23:52
toresbeHello?23:53
toresbeN800: Maybe we should take this into a PM. May I PM you?23:53
N800yes23:54
kamuilet me get in on some of this pm'ing action23:54
kamuixchat was never successfully run on the n800?23:54
N800it runs23:55
kamuiis there a but following that or it works fine23:55
kamuiI've been using gaim irc plugin, but that is really weak23:55
kamuiall types of little glitches23:55

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