IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-06-02

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pulsar_http://turrican.renoise.com/pulsar/pics/feedblender.png - mono and n800? pure fun untill now.01:44
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trevarthanwhat's the best way to access smb from maemo?02:24
pulsar_there is a kernel module available02:28
pulsar_which enables the cifs filesystem.02:28
pulsar_you can use mount then02:28
pulsar_http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToAccessWindowsCIFS02:29
pulsar_there you go02:29
Sulisthat does actually work quite well, i don't know why i was suprised...but i was02:31
pulsar_yep, does a better job than all that upnp stuff02:32
trevarthannothing gui based? i was hoping to just transfer some mp3s.02:32
pulsar_trevarthan: use the usb cable then.02:32
pulsar_it it does not matter if you push or poll, you can use scp on your windows(?) box.02:33
pulsar_i recommend winscp02:33
pulsar_you need to install an ssh server on your nokia though02:33
trevarthanhmmm. not a bad idea. i keep forgetting about that. thanks!02:33
trevarthani've got one.02:34
trevarthani just don't like sftp much.02:34
pulsar_well, i am sure you can get an ftp server up and running on your nokia. last time i checked pureftpd was pretty nice and compact.02:35
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pulsar_at least the transfer speed should be better when using ftp instead of sftp.02:36
pulsar_did not any benchmarks, but i presume that ssh encryption might lower your transferspeed due to limited cpu resources on the nokia02:36
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pulsar_let me know if you need it really bad, i could give it a try in the scratchbox if it compiles and works out of the box.02:38
trevarthani've got a working sdk too. trying to compile perl currently.02:55
pulsar_anything particular you need perl for?02:55
jumpulapain02:56
pulsar_:D02:56
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trevarthanyeah, i need libperl.a (armel) so i can build irssi with perl support.03:02
pulsar_ic03:02
trevarthansdk only comes with x86 libperl, afaik.03:02
pulsar_i did not miss perl support in irssi for years :)03:02
jumpulaperl is available in some maemo 2.X release, if i remember correctly03:03
trevarthanneed it so i can do custom beep notification.03:03
pulsar_well, you would not only need that libperl.a but rather major parts of the perl environment on your nokia if you actually want to use perl scripts in irssi03:03
trevarthanperl is in the 3.1 sdk and the latest n800 firmware. just not libperl, i think.03:04
pulsar_oh, nice.03:04
trevarthani really wish this thumb keyboard would capitalize 'i' for me. i'm  too lazy to hit the shift key.03:05
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trevarthanso i just tried the usb cable and  it won't let me see my  4gb sdhc card from the host machine.03:13
pulsar_huh? perhaps the Removeable Disk "emulation" cant handle sdhc.03:14
pulsar_winscp should though.03:14
pulsar_or sftp if you use gnome, i think its available as a vfs module by default.03:14
trevarthanwhat is winscp?03:14
trevarthanah03:14
pulsar_scp client for windows, norton commander style.03:14
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pulsar_but as it appears to me you are on linux?03:15
jumpulaoeh noes. the hacker operating system.03:15
trevarthani  use  kde. i'll check for a kio slave for sftp or something.03:15
pulsar_hehe... so its already illegal in germany :)03:15
* jumpula calls bill gates03:15
pulsar_trevarthan: i think it was fish:// on kio03:16
trevarthani don't want to install samba server on the n800 unless i can shut it off easily.03:16
pulsar_jumpula: our great goverment just made any kind of tools which could be used for hacking illegal.03:17
trevarthanok. i'll check kio. soon as my ravioli is done. :)03:17
pulsar_well, that includes every linux distibution including tcpdump i.E. :)03:17
pulsar_trevarthan: rsync shoudl also work over ssh if you need to sync your mp3 directories.03:17
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jumpulapulsar_: sounds a lot like the new finnish copyright law established a while ago03:18
trevarthanyeah, already using rsync for backups. http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800#Network_Backups03:19
pulsar_what a wonderfull world we live in.03:19
trevarthani can't blind  sync though. repo too big. rather pick and choose.03:19
pulsar_some weeks ago i went really nuts. i bought myself a new shiny dvd "Deja Vue"03:19
pulsar_well, the copy protection on this disc was so bad, i could not get it running my my htpc (pretty default software)03:20
pulsar_i needed to commit 2 german crimes to watch it on my tv.03:20
pulsar_1. get an illegal version of anydvd03:20
Piodownloading it from usenet would have just been one crime :)03:20
pulsar_2. use andvd to get rid of that movie03:20
pulsar_2 crimes vs. one like pio said.03:20
pulsar_i will consider tha latter the next time.03:21
pulsar_err, 2 would be cracking the copy protection of course.03:21
pulsar_maaan, that really pisses me off. no more dvds from buena vista then.03:21
trevarthanpretty sure we have the same laws in  the usa. it's just that very few people care.03:23
trevarthangood movie, btw.03:24
pulsar_usually i do not care too, but what really buggs me that much is that i get punished for trying to follow the rules set up by the media industry.03:24
trevarthani have the same problem with audible.com. i bought a bunch of books from them and can't listen to them on my n800 because nothing exists for linux to play the file. i'm trying to get them to let me develop a linux player for them.03:28
pulsar_yeah, did the same mistake03:28
pulsar_switched over to free audiobooks03:28
pulsar_that one i bought on audible, i re-recorded id over the night.03:28
trevarthancan't get rid of my stupid ipod until i have a solution. hate lugging around two devices.03:28
pulsar_got myself an "record-to-mp3" tool and did a "loopback" copy of that book.03:29
trevarthan:) that's hardcore. i bet that took a while.03:29
pulsar_btw, there are some really great audiobooks available for free.03:30
pulsar_umm... i was so disappointed by audible so i did not download / buy anthing else.03:30
pulsar_the quality sucked big time and the price wasnt much cheaper than the audio-book cd itself.03:30
pulsar_it was only one book i needed to convert.03:31
trevarthani don't mind paying. i just want to be able to listen to the damn thing i bought. :( drm sucks.03:31
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pulsar_its no more drc03:31
pulsar_its consumer enablement or something like that :)03:31
pulsar_errr, drm...03:31
trevarthanoh yeah? bashing the wrong acronym eh?03:32
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pulsar_yep :) you are really not up to date dude! :D03:32
pulsar_drm was yesterday.03:33
pulsar_http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/05/hbos_exec_dont_.html03:33
trevarthan:) where have i been?03:33
pulsar_i wonder why people dont like drm. it was such an good invention!03:34
Piogotta love that pic03:34
pulsar_trevarthan: http://www.podiobooks.com, check out scott siglers work03:34
pulsar_right now i am working on a podcatcher client for maemo using mono. lets see how it works out. i am worried about the resources it might use, but cant be as bad as gPodder i hope :)03:36
trevarthanwow. podio looks good. i'll have to check it out.03:41
pulsar_trevarthan: yeah, they do have high quality audio books podcasts.03:41
pulsar_as already mentioned, scott sigler does very good stuff. so does j.c. hutchins and tee morris.03:42
pulsar_just a few to mention.03:42
pulsar_variant frequencies is also a nice podcast. they feature small storries accros all genres.03:43
pulsar_http://variantfrequencies.libsyn.com/03:43
trevarthandoes the sample player skip for you too?03:43
pulsar_skip? like audiojitter?03:44
pulsar_nope03:44
pulsar_there are dowload links available on each "detail" page, just scroll down.03:44
pulsar_that sample they offer is usually the first chapter, so you can drag the corresponding link to the mp3 file right into your mp3 player.03:45
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trevarthanyeah, the sample flash player brings my n800 to it's knees.03:48
pulsar_yeah, a pitty.03:48
pulsar_conola can handle the rss feeds though03:48
trevarthando i have to use an rss feed? i'd prefer to just download a book.03:50
pulsar_no, you dont.03:51
pulsar_all mp3 files are liked at the bottom of a book pake03:51
pulsar_page03:51
pulsar_use "download them all" plugin for firefox then :)03:51
pulsar_it parses the liked elements on a page and lets you decide which file extensions you would like to download.03:51
pulsar_very handy03:52
trevarthanoh. hoping to download right from my n800.03:53
pulsar_happy clicking :)03:54
pulsar_maybe some "wget | sed | wget" madness03:54
pulsar_w8... wget alone should be able to do that just nice.03:55
trevarthanis there a player for maemo that will remember my position in a book?03:55
pulsar_no, i miss that too.03:55
pulsar_i miss stream skipping too03:55
pulsar_for some reason the gstreamer framework cant do skipping on network streams (not even on upnp streams)03:56
pulsar_sucks big time.03:56
trevarthanyeah, chapter skip comes in handy sometimes too.03:56
trevarthanyou canola guys listening? :)03:58
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pulsar_oh, there are canola devs over here?04:02
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trevarthanthere was one earlier. probably gone now.04:05
pulsar_i wonder if they will ever open the source04:05
trevarthanhe said they're pushing for it.04:06
pulsar_yeah, please. i would really love to try adding some functionality.04:06
pulsar_especially bookmarks and stream skippng :)04:06
pulsar_although i think the audio layer would need to be re-implemented.04:06
pulsar_as it appears to me canola relies purely on gStreamer04:07
pulsar_and if gStreamer does not provide that functionality .... well, maybe it could be replaced using the mplayer as backend.04:07
trevarthanyeah, i would add some stuff too.04:08
trevarthanever thought about drawing an ipod scroll wheel on the screen?04:09
pulsar_hehe04:09
pulsar_and let apple sue you?04:09
trevarthani saw a patent from apple about that, but i'm not sure how much it matters.04:10
pulsar_it always matters when its about money, so i presume it wont matter for a while :)04:10
trevarthani don't know if they actually got the patent, but surely the oss community could come up with something just as good.04:13
trevarthanwell, gotta put my son to sleep. nice chatting with you.04:15
pulsar_ugh.. i should do that to04:15
pulsar_3am over here04:15
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Azabuacan someone plz send me a decent url for a repositoy in mapper?10:51
Azabuahttp://mt.google.com/mt?n=404&v=ap.6&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d .... Gives error10:53
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guardianmorning13:14
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JaffaMorning, all13:27
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edistar_how can I tell mediastreamer the UPnP server IP?14:14
edistar_cause my ip is *.2.2 and server is *.1.19714:15
edistar_but they have access14:15
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pulsaredistar_: you usualy do not do that. the upnp servers use broadcasting to announce their availablity14:21
keesjHi14:21
pulsarso if it does not show up on your nokia device you should check your netmasks and routes (if you are on linux, you probably need to add a broadcast route)14:21
keesjpulsar: that could still work if the netmaks is 255.255.0.0 or similar14:22
pulsaryeah, exactly. but not if its /24 only14:22
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keesjit' is possible to route mcast but I guess it's not the kind of things one wants to do :P14:23
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edistar_thx14:25
edistar_what exactly is a broadcast route and do I need to set t in my router or on the server?14:26
pulsarhehe... well, its not that easy.14:26
pulsarhow are the both subnets separated?14:26
pulsarjust a hub or do you have some routing between the subnets?14:26
edistar_routing, I connected my wifi router to the hub14:27
edistar_and as it can't act as an AP without crashing it routes14:28
keesjedistar_: so perhaps it's not even routed but maskeraded two time?14:29
keesjanyway I guess it's not really a question for this channel :p14:29
pulsarmasqueraded btw :) double nat sucks, but i dont think he has set up it this way.14:29
pulsaryeah :)14:29
* edistar_ is not very knowledgeable :/14:29
edistar_sry then14:30
pulsarone more hint14:30
edistar_just thought I could tell mediastreamer the ip;)14:30
pulsarif the upnp server is running on linux, check your routes if the multicast network is set up14:30
pulsarroute add -net 239.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 eth114:30
pulsarwould enable broadcast on eth114:30
edistar_ok14:30
keesjplug the pnp server to your wifi router14:30
pulsarifconfig eth1 allmulti14:31
pulsarwont hurt afterwards14:31
pulsarbesides, i had very bad experience with upnp and the n80014:31
edistar_I have the 77014:32
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pulsarsame issues i presume.14:32
edistar_thanks!14:32
edistar_cu soon14:32
pulsarbrowsing the media using the built in mediaplayer or filebrowser is painfully slow14:32
keesjpulsar: what kind of problems?14:32
pulsarslow like hell14:32
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pulsarmy music collection is rather big (about 40 gigs)14:33
keesjhmm that works ok for me , it's more the streaming that is crappy14:33
pulsaryeah, plenty of buffering time14:33
pulsari presume its gStreamer / vfs fault14:33
keesjbut even , all the players I have tried (canola,mediastreamer kikkali) all use the same stuff14:34
pulsargStreamer seems to suck pretty bad on the n800 when its about network streams.14:34
pulsaryep14:34
pulsari wonder if there is bass or fmod available for armel / esd14:34
pulsarimho way better backend for music stuff14:35
keesjand non of them really gave me a hint on wha't wrong , canola is the most frustating with a message "ERROR"14:35
pulsarhehe, yeah, i hate it too.14:35
keesjpulsar: I must say I have only used gmediastreamer and that is not the recommended one14:35
pulsari will have a look once i am finished with my current project14:35
pulsarhttp://turrican.renoise.com/pulsar/pics/feedblender.png14:36
pulsarkinda education project, works quite well but might use too many resources.14:37
pulsari disliked gPodder, but my mono version has similar memory-hog issues...14:37
pulsaralthough it was expected14:37
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keesjI still don't know much about pods14:43
pulsari'm an addict :)14:43
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keesjthe current maemo.org has so many layout problems it' just not funny14:46
pulsaryeah, the maemo-planet links still not clickable?14:47
pulsar:D14:47
* trevarthan sighs14:51
pulsarwhazzzup?14:51
trevarthancanola isn't reading my id3 tags properly for some albums.14:51
pulsarbtw, any german coders here?14:51
pulsartrevarthan: perhaps v1/v2 id3 tags issues?14:51
pulsaruse godfather to masstag your collection, i simply love that tool14:52
pulsarhttp://users.forthnet.gr/the/jtclipper/14:52
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tweghello, does anyone know how to play .m4a files on the N800 using gst-launch?17:11
tweg(I can get it to work for .aac files using dspaacsink, but this doesn't seem to work for m4a files)17:16
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bedboihi there18:46
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|tbb|hello all, is there a subversionclient available for bora?19:44
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