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| greentux | are there modest packages for testing around? | 00:55 |
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| tigert | trevarthan: no worries, we are nice folks :) | 01:22 |
| tigert | hmm | 01:22 |
| tigert | http://tigert.1g.fi/kuvat/Laivat/2007-05-25-nordlandia-rosella/ < something completely different and offtopic :) | 01:22 |
| Sulis | hmm, boats and planes | 01:23 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:23 |
| tigert | the weather was nice tonight | 01:23 |
| tigert | I warned, its totally off topic :) | 01:23 |
| Sulis | hehe | 01:24 |
| Sulis | you took those tonight? | 01:25 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:25 |
| Sulis | some of them are really nice | 01:25 |
| tigert | yeah, the light was pretty nice | 01:25 |
| Sulis | yeah, it looks lovely | 01:26 |
| Sulis | i keep encountering the finnish language now, and so i want to learn it | 01:28 |
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| tigert | :) | 01:29 |
| Sulis | heh, but it seems that every finn that i meet speaks perfect english | 01:30 |
| tigert | writes on irc at least :) | 01:30 |
| tigert | but yeah, considering we learn it from 3rd grade, it would be weird if we didnt know it at all :) | 01:30 |
| tigert | plus all the US tv series run on our TV as well | 01:31 |
| zeenix | Sulis: you haven't met the taxi drivers in finland? | 01:31 |
| tigert | zeenix: haha | 01:31 |
| Sulis | zeenix: no, i haven't | 01:31 |
| Sulis | heh, there there is very rarely any language other than english on english tv... :( | 01:32 |
| zeenix | Sulis: and you haven't come across the type who would seem very rude but then it turns out that they just didn't have the confidence to say 'hello' in english? :) | 01:32 |
| tigert | zeenix: yeah, thats unfortunate | 01:32 |
| tigert | but that exists | 01:32 |
| tigert | finns are shy to speak in english | 01:32 |
| Sulis | but that's fear of making a fool of yourself | 01:33 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:33 |
| tigert | and the fact that we have very good courses of english grammar and volcabulary | 01:33 |
| tigert | but not that much spoken excercises | 01:33 |
| tigert | thus our accent is pretty horrid and people are ashamed of it, and fear of stumbling on what they try to say | 01:34 |
| Sulis | i kinda like the accent :P | 01:34 |
| tigert | its sorta cute :) | 01:34 |
| tigert | the "Mika Häkkinen" voice | 01:34 |
| Sulis | heh, well i don't watch formula one so i don't know | 01:35 |
| jumpula | "the race was very hard" | 01:36 |
| Sulis | hehe | 01:37 |
| zeenix | Sulis: so i take it that you have moved to finland recently? | 01:38 |
| tigert | http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6s_LhLchk | 01:38 |
| Sulis | zeenix: nope | 01:39 |
| Sulis | i'm encountering finnish on the net, although i'm thinking of visiting finnland later in the year | 01:40 |
| * zeenix scratches head | 01:41 | |
| zeenix | Sulis: why? :) | 01:41 |
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| zeenix | Sulis: encouraging finnish i mean | 01:41 |
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| Sulis | encouraging? | 01:42 |
| Molagi | Sulis i recommend you visit when its summer here :P | 01:42 |
| tigert | well. winter is an experience too | 01:42 |
| Sulis | i don't see enough snow :P | 01:42 |
| tigert | but then one needs to go to north | 01:42 |
| tigert | in mid-winter | 01:43 |
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| Molagi | yeah, lapland is nice | 01:44 |
| Molagi | not so dark and depressing | 01:44 |
| jumpula | lapland, home of lapdancing | 01:44 |
| Molagi | indeed :d | 01:44 |
| Sulis | lol | 01:45 |
| tigert | http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=int&w=all&q=lapland+finland&m=text < hm, good search it seems | 01:45 |
| Sulis | zeenix: why are you confused that someone would want to learn your language? | 01:46 |
| tigert | zeenix is not a native finnish speaker | 01:46 |
| zeenix | mine? | 01:46 |
| tigert | he just works here :) | 01:47 |
| Sulis | ah | 01:47 |
| Sulis | kay | 01:47 |
| tigert | but man. we need to go to lapland as a team | 01:47 |
| tigert | during the darkest winter | 01:47 |
| tigert | that would rock | 01:47 |
| zeenix | Sulis: i've been here for two years but haven't even grasped the basics | 01:47 |
| zeenix | tigert: it's a bit more than that i think since i have a gf in here now :) | 01:48 |
| tigert | oh, then its motivation to learn the language :) | 01:48 |
| Sulis | i don't mind a challenge, and i find grammar interesting | 01:48 |
| tigert | "interesting" is a very mild term | 01:49 |
| jumpula | grammar or the lack of one? :) | 01:49 |
| tigert | they say its one of the most "interesting" grammars, in par with japanese | 01:49 |
| tigert | there is grammar | 01:49 |
| tigert | its just full of exceptions :) | 01:49 |
| jumpula | yes, there is | 01:49 |
| Sulis | japanese grammar is not hard | 01:49 |
| jumpula | but it's non-trivial to figure out on-the-fly | 01:49 |
| zeenix | minä haluan tapPan jumpulaa :) | 01:50 |
| tigert | ok, time to take the dogs out and then sleep | 01:50 |
| tigert | ttyl :) | 01:50 |
| Sulis | seeya tigert | 01:51 |
| Sulis | zeenix: what does that mean? | 01:51 |
| zeenix | Sulis: removing the 'P', it would mean 'i want to meet jumpula' | 01:51 |
| zeenix | but with a p more, it means 'i want to kill jumpula' :) | 01:52 |
| Sulis | hehe | 01:52 |
| jumpula | yeah, but the verbs here bend in a funny fashion | 01:52 |
| jumpula | so, in that context it would be like | 01:52 |
| jumpula | haluan tavata jumpulan | 01:52 |
| jumpula | haluan tappaa jumpulan | 01:53 |
| jumpula | p changes to v | 01:53 |
| tigert | yeah, but there is a way where this works too | 01:53 |
| jumpula | or other way round, since in the base form it's v | 01:53 |
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| tigert | "hän tapaa jumpulan" vs "hän tappaa jumpulan" | 01:53 |
| tigert | is correct, just different form of sentence | 01:54 |
| jumpula | bend is not the correct term, but don't remember the grammatic term at the moment | 01:54 |
| Sulis | congugate | 01:54 |
| tigert | "he/she will meet jumpula" vs "he/she will kill jumpula" :) | 01:54 |
| jumpula | no post or pre posiotions | 01:54 |
| jumpula | their function is embedded in the words :) | 01:54 |
| tigert | yep. | 01:54 |
| jumpula | -o | 01:55 |
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| tigert | koti = home. at home = kotona. from home = kotoa. from ones home = kotoaan, into ones home = kotiinsa | 01:55 |
| tigert | etc, easy? :) | 01:55 |
| Sulis | no, it's not easy, but that makes it worth doing | 01:56 |
| jumpula | go fishing = mennä kalaan, enter a fish (go inside a fish) = mennä kalaan | 01:56 |
| jumpula | the latter has really no meaning and therefore not used :) | 01:57 |
| jumpula | but that demonstrates the behavior of the language | 01:57 |
| tigert | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_grammar | 01:57 |
| tigert | holu crap, that is long | 01:57 |
| Sulis | lol, i guess you can tell by the context in a sense like that | 01:57 |
| tigert | s/lu/ly// | 01:57 |
| jumpula | if one opts for challenge, then icelandic could be worth trying for | 01:57 |
| zeenix | why don't we all just start speaking klingon | 01:57 |
| jumpula | zeenix: i was wondering when you might bring that up :D | 01:58 |
| jumpula | q'pla | 01:58 |
| tigert | yIrqI' yIy yIy qaSvI' 'oH pongwIj'e' 'ej vInlan yejquvDaq jIjeS. pa' DIvI' SuDqu' vI'oS. | 01:58 |
| Molagi | oh my god | 01:58 |
| Sulis | zeenix: klingon is like swallowing sandpaper though | 01:58 |
| tigert | http://kasvi.org/index.php?kli | 01:58 |
| zeenix | is that the politician | 01:59 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:59 |
| tigert | well, and a geek | 01:59 |
| Molagi | heh | 01:59 |
| tigert | mostly a geek, who also got into politics | 01:59 |
| jumpula | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_grammar | 01:59 |
| Molagi | good strategy to fish some votes | 01:59 |
| ferulo | damm, I got a call today from my landord | 02:00 |
| ferulo | complains about the music | 02:00 |
| zeenix | i would vote for him if i had a vote | 02:00 |
| xan | ferulo, WHO complained | 02:00 |
| ferulo | hahaha | 02:00 |
| Sulis | jumpula: but icelandic i've not encountered | 02:00 |
| ferulo | YOU KNOW | 02:00 |
| xan | SAY IT | 02:00 |
| ferulo | THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF FINLAND! | 02:00 |
| xan | YES | 02:00 |
| ferulo | I cannot understand this finnish guys! | 02:00 |
| Sulis | jumpula: that seems a lot like latin... | 02:01 |
| jumpula | Sulis: i tried to fill an icelandic immigration form couple of years ago | 02:01 |
| ferulo | look xan now everyone is silent! | 02:02 |
| jumpula | i was unable to deduce most of the stuff | 02:02 |
| xan | ferulo, because you said the words | 02:02 |
| ferulo | they are scared! | 02:02 |
| jumpula | words didn't resemble anything i know | 02:02 |
| Sulis | jumpula: you're a linguist? | 02:03 |
| jumpula | no | 02:03 |
| Sulis | oh... | 02:03 |
| Sulis | kay! | 02:04 |
| jumpula | i really know only little of grammar (for any language) but it's fun to deduce stuff based on other languages :) | 02:04 |
| zeenix | Sulis: he is damn trekkie | 02:04 |
| jumpula | zeenix: takes one to know one ;) | 02:04 |
| Molagi | ferulo, so Martti Ahtisaari complained about music? | 02:05 |
| tigert | ok sleep & | 02:05 |
| Sulis | hehe, i used to call myself trekkie, but i dunno anymore... | 02:05 |
| ferulo | Molagi: yep | 02:05 |
| Molagi | strange | 02:05 |
| jumpula | any good scifi goes | 02:06 |
| jumpula | trek was my introduction to the genre, so there's some nostalgy there | 02:06 |
| Sulis | yeah, i grew up with the next generation really | 02:07 |
| ferulo | Molagi: I lived in the aparment below mine | 02:07 |
| ferulo | and that's what my landlord told me, so either it said it, either my landlord is a lier | 02:07 |
| Molagi | heh | 02:07 |
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| Molagi | you better watch out, martti may still have some political powers :D | 02:12 |
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| xan | when he doesn't come to work on monday I'll use his monitor for some xinerama love, so it's all fine | 02:14 |
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| Molagi | :P | 02:15 |
| Sulis | random question: when a finn speaks english they kinda stretch the vowels a bit or something...and i like that, it's kinda sexy, so does a native english speaker speak finnish with too short vowels and sound...harsh? | 02:16 |
| Molagi | dont know, never really heard anyone native english speaker speak finnish :P | 02:17 |
| Sulis | really? | 02:17 |
| ferulo | Molagi: well, I hope he can do only as any our finnish citizen can do. I guess that in this supposed democracy we all have same rights and duties | 02:18 |
| Molagi | :) | 02:18 |
| Molagi | Sulis atleast i cant recall :/ | 02:18 |
| ferulo | if he uses his political power to stop me puting opera on saturdays mornings then I won't trust this zero-corruption thing | 02:18 |
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| tigert | ferulo: wireless headphones :) | 02:19 |
| Sulis | hahaha, opera on headphones | 02:19 |
| Molagi | must be lame | 02:19 |
| tigert | opera saturday mornings does not sound like fun when its not your choice :) | 02:19 |
| tigert | but anyway, off to the saturday mornings without opera (hopefully ;)) | 02:20 |
| ferulo | well, my mornings usually starts at 13.00 | 02:20 |
| tigert | ah. that is a bit different then. in finland we call it "afternoon" ;) | 02:21 |
| Sulis | hehehe | 02:21 |
| Molagi | i wish my mornings would start at 13.00 | 02:21 |
| Sulis | i wish the mornings when i have to work would start at 13:00 but not my saturday mornings | 02:22 |
| Molagi | yeah | 02:23 |
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| oil | hi, one basic question: on n800, how can I get shell access and sshd on the device | 10:04 |
| pyhimys | oil: yes | 10:09 |
| pyhimys | oil: there is instructions on the maemo.org site | 10:09 |
| pyhimys | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/InstallSsh | 10:10 |
| oil | ok. thanks. I'll follow that one | 10:11 |
| zakx | oil: better follow http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ | 10:11 |
| zakx | it's not as outdated as the first one | 10:12 |
| oil | thanks. and the instructions for 770 and 800 are the same? | 10:12 |
| zakx | that's messed up | 10:12 |
| zakx | wait a second, i'll get my n800 and walk you through | 10:12 |
| zakx | oil: so, do you have the last firmware installed? | 10:14 |
| oil | zakx: yes. I'll have the latest | 10:15 |
| oil | this will take a while. I'll add up all the repositories to the terminal | 10:15 |
| zakx | notice that you shouldn't use "mistral" repositories | 10:15 |
| zakx | that's the old maemo 2.0 release | 10:16 |
| zakx | n800 runs 3.1, so you need to add "bora"-repositories | 10:16 |
| zakx | you should also add no repositories meant for use with the SDK | 10:16 |
| zakx | as they will most likely brick your installation | 10:17 |
| zakx | for openssh you'll want "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free" | 10:17 |
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| zakx | you can add that using the GUI package manager | 10:18 |
| zakx | if you did not do this yet, activate the red pill mode: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 10:18 |
| oil | ok thanks. I'll try to get things working. nice to learn about the device | 10:19 |
| zakx | you'll need that as the application only installs and displays user/*-packages | 10:19 |
| zakx | when in red pill mode, you can install everything, but be careful with that ;) | 10:20 |
| zakx | after these steps you can easily select "openssh" via the program and install it | 10:20 |
| zakx | you'll be able to ssh into it now (as root, password is "rootme") | 10:20 |
| zakx | better change the password after your first login | 10:20 |
| zakx | ;) | 10:20 |
| zakx | if you want a terminal on the device itself, there's a package named osso-terminal or something like that | 10:21 |
| oil | yes. better. or i'll have some unwanted visitors on the device :) | 10:21 |
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| oil | cool. now I'm on root access to the n800 :) | 10:42 |
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| Dazgard | hi there | 10:49 |
| Dazgard | im trying to code a little multitrak app for sound recording with python/gst | 10:49 |
| Dazgard | where can i get code sample, tutorial and doc please ? | 10:50 |
| Dazgard | im searching for maemo specifique stuff | 10:50 |
| Dazgard | specific | 10:50 |
| melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/ | 10:51 |
| melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 10:51 |
| Dazgard | ok cool | 10:52 |
| melmoth | and of course: | 10:52 |
| melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html | 10:52 |
| melmoth | :) | 10:53 |
| oil | I forgot to say big thanks for the help :) | 10:54 |
| Dazgard | thanks, are there any python/gst stuff specofic to maemo, i mean things like dspmp3sink for example | 10:54 |
| melmoth | i know nothing about gstreamer, so i dont know. | 10:54 |
| Dazgard | ok, anyway thanks fpr the links abobe ;) | 10:54 |
| Dazgard | above | 10:55 |
| zakx | oil: you're welcome :) | 10:56 |
| oil | there will be lot's of question for more.. after I'll get introduced with this device :) | 10:57 |
| oil | btw. do you know how to sniff which wlan AP's are around? | 10:57 |
| `0660 | oil, just click the globe in the top right corner and it will show you available ap's :) | 11:02 |
| oil | or even better. if the terminal connects to a certain wlan apn, then I can do some actions | 11:02 |
| oil | :) but I'm looking for an daemon or similar for wall garden | 11:03 |
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| oil | eg. when the device finds an open ssid, which requires login. the device would do the login automatically | 11:07 |
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| tko | now we only need flexible cpu: http://youtube.com/?v=H7QbQugXy1A :) | 12:32 |
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| eichi | hello ;) | 12:44 |
| eichi | I want to buy an nokia n800, is it advisable ? | 12:45 |
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| inz | eichi, depends on whom you ask and what you're looking for | 12:52 |
| inz | eichi, generally I'd say: "Hell yeah!" | 12:52 |
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| eichi | which desktop runs on the n800? i dont know this one on linux | 13:02 |
| melmoth | hildon | 13:04 |
| melmoth | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability | 13:05 |
| eichi | there is no problem, killing software like opera and install firefox etc? | 13:08 |
| melmoth | well, i dont know | 13:10 |
| melmoth | i use opera | 13:10 |
| eichi | hm okay | 13:11 |
| eichi | you use wlan for surfing in the internet? | 13:11 |
| melmoth | wireless lan ? yep | 13:12 |
| melmoth | there is no other choice. | 13:12 |
| inz | sure there is | 13:12 |
| melmoth | well, actually there is a way to have network via usb | 13:12 |
| inz | Or grps with a bluetooth phone | 13:12 |
| melmoth | oh yeah, i forgot this one | 13:12 |
| inz | Had I a company paid phone, that'd be my primary access | 13:14 |
| inz | Now I only use wlan @home or @work | 13:14 |
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| cb22 | Hi there! A bit off topic, but.... I'm part of the project thats porting Linux to the H63XX series of iPaqs, which happen to have a vary similar processor (OMAP1510) and the same DSP (TMS320C55x), albit at a lower frequency. Never having worked with a DSP before, I'm wondering would it be possible to checkout all the DSP related things, like dspgateway and the gstreamer dsp sinks, compile them, and run them on the iPaq? | 16:06 |
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| MDK | I don't think we've got this parts open | 16:24 |
| MDK | dsp things are rather on the proprietary side | 16:31 |
| oil_ | iih. 1 day and bricked n800 :) | 16:38 |
| oil_ | the device refuses to boot anymore | 16:38 |
| oil_ | maybe a reinstallation of the os would help? | 16:39 |
| zuh | Most likely, unless you did something really naughty | 16:39 |
| oil_ | not really. hopefully | 16:40 |
| oil_ | i suppose there is no 'safe' mode boot ? | 16:40 |
| zuh | Nope | 16:44 |
| Juhaz | but turning the software watchdog off might help, depend on why it's not booting | 16:44 |
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| oil_ | Juhaz: how to do that? the device tries to boot but fails. I can not do anything? | 16:45 |
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| Juhaz | at what point of the boot process does it fail? | 16:45 |
| oil_ | I get the Nokia logo. Then after a while it just reboots itself | 16:46 |
| zuh | No progressbar? | 16:46 |
| oil_ | it got to a third or something | 16:46 |
| unique311_ | what would cause a program to run great in the scratchbox environment....and to seg fault on the device... | 16:47 |
| oil_ | now I re-installad the image.. and progressbar went all the way to the end | 16:47 |
| unique311_ | no errors on the device... | 16:47 |
| oil_ | ok. now it's ok. | 16:47 |
| unique311_ | Visual 0 will use shared memory for X Segmentation fault | 16:47 |
| unique311_ | stomped.... | 16:48 |
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| unique311_ | i'm thinking its the optimize CFLAGS i used in scratchbox.. | 16:48 |
| unique311_ | the program is apple IIgs emulator....kegs. | 16:49 |
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| unique311 | hello | 17:46 |
| unique311 | anybody in here | 17:46 |
| maddler | maybe... | 17:47 |
| unique311 | ok i'll take maybe | 17:47 |
| unique311 | got some issues... | 17:47 |
| unique311 | i compiled...kegs..which is a apple IIgs emulator.. | 17:48 |
| unique311 | works fine in scratchbox, but when i run it on the device it seg faults.... | 17:48 |
| unique311 | with no erros... | 17:48 |
| unique311 | errors | 17:48 |
| unique311 | is that a common thing for an app to work in scratchbox and not work on the device.. | 17:49 |
| melmoth | mine segfault already in scractchbox :) | 17:51 |
| unique311 | urs.. | 17:52 |
| unique311 | apple IIgs? | 17:52 |
| melmoth | non the apps i write in scracthbox | 17:52 |
| unique311 | ok | 17:52 |
| melmoth | i never had a pb such as a segfualt on the device that did not occurs in scratchbox | 17:53 |
| unique311 | how do i kill the hildon desktop..and if i do, will i get a terminal.. | 17:53 |
| unique311 | thats my problem..it works in scratchbox the ARM environment also.... | 17:54 |
| unique311 | but yet..it segfaults on the device.. | 17:54 |
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| unique311 | if it did, and gave me an error....i would be happy.. | 17:55 |
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| melmoth | maybe using gdb on the device itself would help ? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html | 17:57 |
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| unique311 | too much | 18:01 |
| unique311 | i figure its a memory issue.. | 18:02 |
| unique311 | been working on this thing for 3 days.. | 18:02 |
| unique311 | got it working...just to be dissapointed when running it on the device.. | 18:02 |
| unique311 | i'm over it.. | 18:03 |
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| negen | Anyone here familiar with Blue Serial? | 18:52 |
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| melmoth | is there a way to 'sniff' what is happening on the osso dbus bus ? | 19:07 |
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| molkko | melmoth, is dbus-monitor available. at least in ubuntu it seems to work ok | 19:20 |
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| melmoth | molkko: and you can check what is going on in the scratchbox bus ? | 19:22 |
| molkko | melmoth, dunno about scratchbox but now i did try dbus-monitor in my n800 and it really seems to work | 19:23 |
| melmoth | oh, it s available in the sdk. | 19:24 |
| melmoth | [sbox-SDK_X86: ~/dev/rapier/trunk] > run-standalone.sh dbus-monitor | 19:24 |
| melmoth | Failed to open connection to session message bus: Unable to determine the address of the message bus | 19:24 |
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| molkko | try --system parameter | 19:30 |
| melmoth | it works for the system bus, like it starts | 19:31 |
| lmoura | melmoth, did you start the session with af-sb-init.sh? | 19:31 |
| melmoth | but what i m intersested in is probably on the user bus | 19:31 |
| melmoth | yes, i have a whole session runing in xephyr | 19:32 |
| melmoth | the idea is to unedrestand why an app taht is started correctly with the menu, just dies somes seconds later | 19:32 |
| melmoth | no core, nothing | 19:32 |
| melmoth | i expect something related to osso and dbus and stuff, but am clueless on how to investigate this way | 19:32 |
| melmoth | when i start the application with the hildon menu , i see nothing in dbus-monitor with --system, so it s probably not on the system bus i have to look | 19:33 |
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| melmoth | mhhh, works better on the tablet actually | 19:36 |
| trevarthan | tigert: where do I get one of these? http://tigert.1g.fi/kuvat/maemo/maemo-hpcalc.jpg | 19:37 |
| molkko | where do i get apache+php to n800? | 19:37 |
| trevarthan | That reminds me that I've been thinking a lot lately that a screen rotate function would be handy on my n800. Sometimes you just need more height than width, you know? | 19:38 |
| molkko | or does not have to be apache but any webserver that works without excess hassle with php | 19:38 |
| trevarthan | molkki: I remember seeing phpcgi in the app manager. | 19:38 |
| trevarthan | sorry, molkko | 19:38 |
| trevarthan | And I think there is an httpd server in there too. not apache though. | 19:39 |
| trevarthan | you gonna use your n800 as a mobile demonstration server? | 19:39 |
| oil_ | I'm also interested about dbus. how could I do, that the device would run a script, when connected to a certain wlan SSID ? | 19:40 |
| tigert | trevarthan: it was just a mockup | 19:41 |
| tigert | trevarthan: but | 19:41 |
| tigert | there is a hp calculator ported to the device | 19:41 |
| tigert | the mockup was just to encourage people think in portrait mode as well | 19:41 |
| trevarthan | oil_: If you figure that out, let me know too. I'd love be able to run scripts when the wlan if goes up. | 19:41 |
| tigert | since the one existing had the keypad split in two pieces side by side | 19:42 |
| oil_ | trevarthan: I will. at least there is nothin on dbus-monitor when doing the connection | 19:42 |
| trevarthan | tigert: I think you've got something there. | 19:42 |
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| trevarthan | tigert: you don't have a link to the existing hp calc do ya? Been searching google and maemo.org and I don't see it. | 19:44 |
| oil_ | dbus-monitor --system seems to get the information | 19:44 |
| oil_ | but how to run a script for that | 19:45 |
| tigert | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/free42/ | 19:46 |
| tigert | but this is horizontal in the first place | 19:46 |
| tigert | but one should really design these as fullscreen apps :) | 19:46 |
| trevarthan | why the heck doesn't that show up when searching for 'calc' or 'calculator'. | 19:47 |
| tigert | that is something you can file a bug for | 19:48 |
| trevarthan | How does maemo.org work? Is there like a maintainer for each package? Or is it an organization that manages it? | 19:49 |
| tigert | well | 19:49 |
| tigert | maemo.org is the opensource effort of nokia, if that defines it good enough | 19:50 |
| tigert | and garage.maemo.org is basically g-forge installation | 19:50 |
| tigert | where anyone can get an account to host a project | 19:50 |
| tigert | and those can be added to the catalog | 19:50 |
| tigert | so while its a job for some people, its also a community thing - like X-Fade_ has been helping a lot with the web layout etc | 19:51 |
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| trevarthan | gotcha. | 19:55 |
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| trevarthan | that 42 doesn't behave like a normal calculator. I'd have to learn to use it. | 19:58 |
| trevarthan | Are there any TI calc emulators for maemo? | 19:58 |
| melmoth | Now, thats funny..my app does not crash on its own anymore if i s/org.maemo.rapier/com.maemo.rapier/ everywhere, and change the service file name accordingly | 20:02 |
| melmoth | is this..a bug ? | 20:02 |
| melmoth | i meant changing org.maemo.rapier to com.nokia.rapier | 20:02 |
| trevarthan | melmoth: I'm probably alone, but I don't have a clue what you're talking about. | 20:05 |
| melmoth | trevarthan: this is about how to start apps from the hildon menu | 20:08 |
| melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#integration | 20:08 |
| melmoth | and s its really really really ...hmmm. strange i should say :) | 20:08 |
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| tigert | trevarthan: its reverse polish notation, the hp calculators had that | 20:10 |
| tigert | some people love it | 20:10 |
| trevarthan | melmoth: so, you're changing X-Osso-Service and it doesn't crash? | 20:11 |
| trevarthan | tigert: yeah, my boss has one of those I think. He showed it to me. I prefer a good TI-82/83, I think. | 20:11 |
| melmoth | trevarthan: that s it trevarthan ....it does not crash anymore if i call the service nokia.something, and not maemo.something | 20:12 |
| trevarthan | tigert: maybe this? http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilem/shots.html | 20:14 |
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| trevarthan | doesn't compile without some effort, it seems. I might take a look at this after I port autossh to maemo. | 20:19 |
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| eichi | hello, is maemo multi user ? can I use for example the n800 with 2 users, different logins like I do on my linux desktop? | 22:09 |
| trevarthan | eichi: no, I don | 22:10 |
| keesj | I guess so | 22:10 |
| trevarthan | 't think so | 22:10 |
| `0660 | yes, it is | 22:10 |
| trevarthan | hmmm... news to me. How does that work? | 22:11 |
| keesj | but I really don't know how dbus and other services are supposed to work in multi-user modes | 22:11 |
| `0660 | i'm not sure about the desktop either | 22:11 |
| keesj | eichi: you don't want to run sessions in parallel but have a xdm like login right? | 22:12 |
| eichi | keesj: yes ;) | 22:12 |
| keesj | I was more thinking on kernel/ssh/login level | 22:12 |
| eichi | or remote login on my desktop? not really ;D ? | 22:12 |
| trevarthan | eichi: Well, you could always VNC into another machine, but I think you lose the on-screen keyboard then. | 22:13 |
| keesj | interesing, I guess it will requires some hacking with patchs but I would be an interesting exercies, | 22:14 |
| trevarthan | eichi: I've never seen a user login interface like xdm on my n800. | 22:14 |
| trevarthan | We need to modify rdesktop to have a hovering button to pop up the onscreen kb or something. | 22:15 |
| keesj | eichi: I don't think it has been done before. | 22:17 |
| keesj | What has been done becore is installing a debian arm and connect to it using vnc, | 22:18 |
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| keesj | eichi there are already plenty of accountsirc:*:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh | 22:33 |
| keesj | ? | 22:33 |
| keesj | sorry I have a very laggy connection atm | 22:34 |
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| eichi | re | 22:39 |
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| eichi | charging the battery from a n800 with solarcells? possible? | 22:41 |
| eichi | making it more mobile ;) | 22:44 |
| keesj | eichi: what kind of fun project are your investigating? | 22:44 |
| eichi | I ask only for interesst | 22:45 |
| keesj | today I have bought a new photo camera , it's a Olympus Mju 770 SW, it can go under water | 22:46 |
| keesj | I guess the n800 sould also be water proof that would be so cool | 22:46 |
| keesj | perhaps the olpc is more the way to go :P | 22:47 |
| eichi | very usefull, browsing in the internet under water | 22:47 |
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| keesj | I quick grep over /etc/init.d shows at least a few su - user command | 22:51 |
| eichi | the n800 uses 17mW in idle | 22:53 |
| eichi | 2,3 W with video call | 22:54 |
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| eichi | someone has an n800 and can say me the volt of loading? | 22:58 |
| eichi | 12? | 22:58 |
| keesj | the adapter is saying 5V | 22:59 |
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| keesj | eichi and in suspend? | 23:00 |
| eichi | keesj: and amphere? | 23:02 |
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| keesj | 890 mA | 23:04 |
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| trevarthan | arg... my autossh package doesn't work. | 23:12 |
| trevarthan | works from dev environment, but not from device. | 23:13 |
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| trevarthan | ah. configure must have hardcoded the ssh binary path using /scratchbox somehow. | 23:20 |
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| trevarthan | AutoSSH deb, if anyone wants it: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages | 23:52 |
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