IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-05-11

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trevarthanis it difficult to upgrade firmware from linux?00:10
trevarthanI'd like to head home, but once maemo.org comes back up I want to upgrade my firmware and I don't have any windows machines at home other than vmware hosts.00:11
trevarthanah well, guess I'll find out.00:12
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mmillerAnyone know when maemo.org will be back up?00:16
mmillerSorry if it has been asked before.00:16
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jku__mmiller, probably in about 8 hours if it needs human intervention (as it seems)00:26
jku__That'll be morning in Finland00:26
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ppdahi, garage.maemo seems dead tonight ?00:37
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saroflcardoes anyone know what's going on with the maemo.org sites?00:42
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ppdai'm searching for the mplayer package. Who can help me ?00:53
jkusaroflcar, not much, that's for sure00:53
jkuppda, it's in garage but garage is down just like everything else00:54
saroflcarI'm trying to access it from the states but my traffic stops in the UK00:54
saroflcaris it just the server that is down or is it a bigger problem than that?00:55
jkubigger as in what?00:56
saroflcaras in a downed fiber line or some other broken uplink00:56
jkuwell, if you meant outside of Nokia/osso I doubt it. I'm in Finland and it's just as dead from here00:58
saroflcarok, good enough00:58
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saroflcarjku: while I'm asking questions of a Finn, does pretty much everyone there know about Simo Häyhä?01:00
jkuNot me, had to google.01:01
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saroflcarok, I thought maybe he'd be talked about in history classes since he's probably the most accomplished sniper ever.  I've read an interview with him and he seemed like a nice guy01:03
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jkumaemo.org technical problems explained: http://lolcat.com/pics/pcservereatindata.jpg01:05
saroflcarhehe, no wonder01:06
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Milhouse2is the newsgroup buggered as well? not seeing any updates appear in gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel01:35
jkuIt's a mailing list actually, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's down too.01:39
Milhouse2assume it's just a coincidence :)01:39
Milhouse2sorry yes, it's a mailing list01:40
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PupnikAF1they want to grind every soul into a slave02:28
PupnikAF1oops02:28
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neostriderhello folks03:03
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neostriderhey pupnik!03:22
neostriderwhats new?!03:22
Pupniki have so much to learn ... it is great to talk to ... clueful people03:23
Pupniki have a new port of tecnoballz arkanoid clone up03:23
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neostriderwho are the clueful people you mentioned?03:23
Pupnikwell you and everybody here03:23
Pupniki just stumble along03:23
Pupnikbut there are too few of us03:24
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Pupnikthat makes me sad... the tablets were cheap enough, and scratchbox+maemo make it so easy03:25
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Pupnikwhere are the smart people?03:26
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neostridersorry03:31
neostriderim quite clueless03:31
neostriderI cant even manage my garage project!03:31
Pupnikgarage worked ok03:33
Pupnikwell it's not important03:33
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Pupnikand i will not say why here03:34
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neostriderok03:42
neostriderso what about your project?03:42
neostrider(actually, Im having issues acessing the web page itself)03:42
neostrider(actually, acessing the maemo pages as a whole)03:42
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neostridersee ya, pupnik!03:53
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unique311hello04:11
unique311bestwestern wifi...loving it04:12
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tigertmorning09:51
konttoriMorning!09:54
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X-FadeMorning ;)09:57
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roopegumorron.10:38
konttorigumorron roope10:40
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JaffaMorning, all10:43
c0ffeemoin jaffa :)10:44
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lodecesahi ti all11:05
lodecesahi to all11:05
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AD-N770good morning11:40
keesjhi hi hi!11:53
keesjtoday we are going to try to compile a kernel for the n80011:53
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lardmankeesj: A different version?11:57
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keesjno I just would like sdhc and usb-host mode11:59
lardmanah, okay12:00
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zuhuh, I need to drop my font size < 8 to not wrap the ling items in the smaller grey bar on maemo.org front page12:19
zuhtigert: Isn't that a bit small?-)12:19
unique311wtf12:29
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unique311will these work on maemo.. http://armel-debs.applieddata.net/debian/pool/main/q/qt-x11-free/12:29
jkuzuh, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128912:34
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jkuI assumes that's the same bug12:35
jkuQuim seems to have problems reproducing, so it might not hurt if you confirm...12:35
kulvehmm.. I can now login to maemo.org, but I still don't understand how I should be able to add my app to dowloads..12:35
jkuhey, maemo.org login does work. Great12:37
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keesjI can't the the compiling kernel docs on the new website12:46
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JaffaCan someone fix the CSS for the new planet-maemo so .planetentry .date isn't width:100% and isn't float;left? Both seem obtuse and wrong.13:08
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dpb_Doesn't it bother anyone else that the link to garage on maemo.org doesn't fully fit into the page? (or is it just my fonts or something.. hmm..)13:16
lardmanAnyone have a link to dmesg output from N800 immediately after boot?13:17
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keesjI think some kind of sitemap would help ,13:17
lardmandpb_: Is this on one of the Nokia machines?13:17
dpb_no, on my pc13:18
lardmanOh. Works fine on mine, I've actually got gaps on either side13:18
lardman1152x864 res though13:19
dpb_I have 1024x76813:19
tigertre13:19
tigertzuh: yeah, file bugs in garage on the maemo2midgard project =)13:19
tigertit's an iteration :)13:20
lardmandpb_: I have on another monitor and it's fine13:20
lardmanTypo on garage main page: "Welcome at garage.maemo.org!" should be "Welcome to garage.maemo.org!"13:20
dpb_why does maemo.org have a fixed width anyway? would be more consistent with garage for example if it wasn't..13:21
koendpb_: because everyone in the world has the same screen13:24
lardmanon their 770/n800 ;)13:26
keesjwhat kind of code can you expect from the community if your examples look like this http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/gtk_programming_maemo.png13:29
alumpcompact code13:30
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dpb_lol13:30
keesjprogamming for small embedded devices. keep you code smal13:31
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pupnikgood day13:31
keesjHi13:31
pupnikpackaging is not so fun13:33
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pupnikplayed around with tecnoballz some more yesterday and well13:34
pupnikit's very french13:34
keesjjeux de boulles++13:35
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pupnikheh...13:36
keesjpupnik on the maemo platform?13:36
pupnikit's a beautiful game but there are a few gameplay issues13:36
keesjthe games are in sdl and look nice13:36
pupnikyeah13:36
keesjI am looking here http://linux.tlk.fr/games/13:36
pupnikhttp://pupnik.de/tecnoballz770.html13:36
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pupnikif you could test it on 800 i'd appreciate it - total install is about 5.5MB13:37
keesjno problem.13:37
pupniki still need to change it to absolute mouse positioning and make the extras icon launch the game13:39
pupnikhaven't figured that out yet :P13:39
keesjpupnik: yes, that is also on my todo list to learn13:40
keesjI think the sauna example in mud show pretty well how it goes ,(it creates a link somewhere in /etc in a postinst script13:42
keesjI can not install the bin package because I am missing libvorbisidec113:42
pupnikheh oops13:42
pupnikone minute13:44
kulvehttp://ogg.garage.maemo.org/13:45
pupnikthat installs libvorbisidec?13:46
kulveit should13:46
pupnikif not, here's one for bora http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/libvorbisidec1_1.2.0-1_armel.deb13:46
pupnikhttp://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/libvorbisidec1_1.2.0-2zs.n800_armel.deb13:49
keesjlet met try13:51
devkulve: btw I'm using your package from within https://coherence.beebits.net/browser/trunk/coherence/backends/gstreamer_audio_player.py - works fine, thx!13:52
kulvedev: could to hear13:52
kulve..good..13:52
keesjwe have a lot of sound and balls flying around13:56
JaffaAh, that's better: http://www.bleb.org/software/770/better-planet.png13:56
pupnik:)13:56
keesjI did not start full screen so I did not see the pad . thingy. but perhaps it because of the music it feels very fast13:57
pupnikoh i should default to fullscreen on - ty13:57
keesjJaffa: also add a 'rss' feed button in there13:57
pupnikis the animated text smooth?  on 770 it's a bit jerky13:58
pupnikoh fullscreen button is F6 (upper left btn)13:59
keesjpupnik: yes smooth14:00
pupniki should change the menu selection to be single-click14:03
keesjpupnik http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/TecnoballZ_n800.3gp14:05
pupnikhrm14:07
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pupniksometimes the ball also gets set to have no y movement - just bounces back and forth between the walls14:09
pupniksilly design error14:09
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keesjwe worked with taito (the arkanoid brand holder) to create a multi-player mobile version14:11
pupnikcool :)14:11
keesjwhen you get a "bonus" you can also use it to slow down others. stuff like that,14:11
keesjI think pengpop was also nice14:12
pupnikthe corner pockets in this version don't make much sense to me14:12
keesjIt give some time to to other things. I have not played long enough to say if it makes sence. perhaps it's required in some levels?14:13
pupnikgood questino14:13
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pupnikkeesj, what was the mobile version written for?  java? symbian?14:16
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keesjit was in java , I started on a brew version at one point14:17
write_eraseHi, What are the reasons maemo can't run 640x480 devices ?14:17
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pupnikit can't?14:19
write_eraseThe minimum constraints for supported hardware and form-factors are following:14:20
write_eraseScreen resolution of 800x480 pixels14:20
write_eraseread here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#overview14:20
dpb_well, there are only two supported hardware so far.. and both have 800x480.. ;)14:22
write_eraseI'd like to run it on AVR32 processor with 640x480 LCD ...14:22
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dpb_yeah, well, that isn't "supported" hardware. I guess maemo could be hacked to work on 640x480 too.14:24
write_eraseThere are no major incompatibilities with the resolution then ... great14:25
dpb_That's just my guess. I'm not positive. :)14:25
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write_erasegreat14:26
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pupnikthanks for testing keesj14:39
keesjI also have a 770 with it2007 , if you update your link/docs I will try it on that if you want14:42
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keesjis rx-34 is a codename?14:42
pupniki'm on it2007 on 770 also14:42
pupnikwhere is rx-34?14:43
keesjapt-cache search kernel returns only such packages kernel-source-rx-34 etc14:43
pupnikmaybe it's a joke - "prescription 34"  (drug prescription)14:44
kulvecat /proc/component_version14:45
keesjyep product     RX-3414:46
pupnikproduct     SU-18  on my 770/itos200714:48
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keesjis this a know error ? sb_gcc_wrapper (/scratchbox/compilers/bin/host-gcc): /scratchbox/tools/bin/ccache: Argument list too long15:12
keesjI am trying to compile the kernel kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.18 that is15:13
keesjok , here is a simple question can I run dpkg-buildpackage with verbose output?15:16
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* pupnik has no ideas for keesj 16:06
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jkuPupnik, can you try bugzilla login again? Qqil thinks it's fixed (in the bug I filed for you)16:16
|tbb|hi, ive installed gaim2.0 for bora, but i dont get a icon under the shortcut any idea ?16:16
Pupnikty jku - starting browser16:16
Pupnikok just to be sure... this is where i should log in?  https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi?GoAheadAndLogIn=116:18
jkuyes16:19
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Pupnikjku you around?16:27
jkui am, for a minute or two16:27
Pupnikwell it's not working16:28
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lardmanIs the source for the fm-radio app available anywhere?16:43
koenit has a gui, so no16:44
koenall gui stuff is closed16:44
lardmanah, shame16:44
lardmanLooking through the sysfs, I saw something called tmp10516:44
koen(unless based on gpl, in which case they remove copyright and keep it closed)16:44
lardmanat /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.1/i2c-1/1-0048/, which looks like it might be a temperature sensor: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tmp105.html16:45
lardmanWas just wondering whether the code to read the i2c would be similar16:45
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tigertMDK: around?16:59
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penguinbaitwow, lots of people in here, is anyone actually talking?17:04
X-Fadepenguinbait: Nope. Those are all malware zombies ;)17:05
Pupnikstill using openbox-rox penguinbait ?17:06
penguinbaitI use openbox, KDE, and hildon, just depends what I am doing17:06
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Jaffatigert: I hope you don't mind me butchering your planet layout, but needs must...17:07
penguinbaitdid you try any?17:07
lardmanWhat's the menelaus do? Something MMC related?17:08
penguinbaitI really like KDE, I would love to see a real effort to port the entire suite17:08
X-FadeJaffa: I tried to fix it a little bit. Check: http://breet.com/maemo/planet/17:09
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tigertJaffa: its fine17:11
tigertJaffa: the sidebar probably just should go17:11
tigertits something you rarely need anyway17:11
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lardmankoen: Ah, silly me, the sysfs already outputs something proportional to the temp, and there's a kernel driver. /me should look harder before asking silly questions17:14
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Pupnikdomain name mismatch error on maemo.org security certificate17:15
Pupnikis someone spoofing me?  or known problem :)17:15
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Pupnikis this IP correct?  bugs.maemo.org (62.61.85.75)17:17
JaffaX-Fade: that it better, especially if the sidebar goes as tigert says.17:17
lardmanPupnik: I always get a warning too about bugzilla17:17
Pupnikok thanks lardman... for some reason i can't log into bugzilla and it appears to be a problem on my end, but it doesn't work with konqueror or firefox17:18
Pupniki will look for a http proxy now17:19
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lardmanPupnik: That's not to say I'm not also being spoofed of course! ;)17:20
X-FadeJaffa: Expect to see more on that soon, I guess ;)17:20
* Jaffa still dislikes the fixed width of the overall page, and it only seems to be the footer which needs to be fixed in my unconstrained version.17:21
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pyhimysanyone know how to get modified files between different cvs tags?17:23
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pyhimyscvs log -r oldtag::newtag ?17:27
keesjcvs diff -r old -r new fileName ?17:28
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keesjhmm . sorry wrong answer :p17:28
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lardmanhmm, reboot time17:35
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keesjI just apt-get updated + upgrade + "Yes, do as I say!"ed my n80017:36
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Jaffakeesj: brave17:36
keesjdont' try this at home..  are serial connect cables for sale?17:37
keesjthe new version leaked into my device :p17:37
keesjand now I need to flash17:39
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MDKtigert: yeah?17:47
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pyhimyscvs -Q diff -rOldTag -rNewTag | grep 'RCS file: /'17:54
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pyhimysthats the best I could think of17:54
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pyhimysand with a little sed to clean up17:57
pyhimyscvs -Q diff -rOldTag -rNewTag | grep 'RCS file: /' | sed -e 's/[^\/]*\(.*\),v/\1/'17:58
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user_wow Xchat Works18:02
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|tbb|im  using gaim and im sattisfied, to bad i dont have an icon on the shortcut18:06
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tigertmdk, committed some stuff to plankton head18:14
tigertlets look through it on monday18:14
tigerti will try to setup sardine asap too to see if it works18:15
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konttoriNew release or ukmp: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=23418:35
konttoriEurovision theme!18:35
konttoriAnd the classic dark theme18:35
konttoriMainly released for fun and keeping the latest RC a bit more latest.18:35
konttori1.0 is still missing a few stability improvement.18:36
konttoriI'll release it next week.18:36
fer_hi konttori18:39
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tigert:)18:54
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tigertdoes the eurovision mediaplayer make a beep every time there is a modulation in the song being played? :)18:55
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roopeModulations rule. :)18:56
Pupniklol.. "the home computer of 2004"  http://www.toyarchive.com/Computer1950Future.jpg18:59
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mgedminah, that hoary hoax18:59
Pupnikis hoax?18:59
mgedminhttp://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/computer.asp19:00
Pupniknice19:01
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nomishttp://xkcd.com/c250.html19:07
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fer_konttori, which runtime do I need for ukmp? 2.4 or 2.5?19:11
fer_(I mean, python runtime)19:11
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|tbb|any idea why i cant install pythoon runtime 2.5 everytime i get an error fail to download from application manager19:16
fer_low disk space? low memory?19:19
|tbb|i had enough19:23
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user_no idea19:29
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user_thank you guys the n800 is really a great job19:30
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|tbb|just curios19:33
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tigertroope: there was this game a friend told about19:47
tigertroope: go to eurovision (or watch in tv), and have a bottle of vodka19:47
tigertand each time there is a modulation in the song, get a shot19:47
nomis.19:53
nomismpf.19:53
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trevarthanIs there any way to record fm radio on the n800?20:28
||cwtrevarthan: only if they have a shoutcast stream20:30
||cwor you hold an fm radio tot he mic20:30
trevarthanSo you can't access the tuner chip directly?20:31
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||cwit has an fm tuner?20:32
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bill20r3the N800 does.20:33
||cwi didn't know that20:34
||cwand I don't see it advertised20:34
bill20r3it's not in any of the sale lit, it doesn't work out of the box.20:35
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bill20r3that is, there isn't an app to use it, you have to install it yourself.20:35
trevarthanI'm listening to it now though. Very cool. I'd like to be able to time shift though.20:37
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Pupnikgreat app idea trevarthan20:37
bill20r3No reason the hardware cant, just needs for a programmer to want it enough to write the code.20:38
Pupnikdoes the radio go through dsp?  or is it straight analog-to-headphone?20:38
bill20r3no idea.20:38
Pupnikif the 800 can record radio, i'm buying one20:38
trevarthanI wonder if it shows up in /dev as a v4l device...20:38
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Pupniki spent 250 on an iriver for radio->mp320:39
trevarthanI desperately need a bt kb. Shell is hard with a pen.20:40
bill20r3y20:40
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bill20r3I have an H340, it's swell.20:41
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Pupnikproblem with the radio->mp3 on the iriver is low sensitivity, and multipath interference - driving around and recording a show yields a lot of blzzt sounds20:41
trevarthanIs there any way to customize the os keyboard? I need a - key.20:41
Pupnikmaximize xterm, hit shift and look at the numpad20:42
bill20r3trevarthan, you mean you need it on the main keyboard, and not with the symbols?20:42
trevarthanYeah. Faster that way. Maybe on the finnger keyboard too.20:43
trevarthanOoooh.... Shows up as /dev/radio0. Looks like v4l to me.20:44
trevarthanI wonder if anyone has a time shift app for /dev/radio yet?20:45
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Pupnikgtk-fmradio?20:48
Pupnikhow are you listening to radio now?20:49
Pupnikmaybe fftv could be hacked to work with it - (gtk2 based) http://fftv.sourceforge.net/20:51
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trevarthanUsing the maemo radio app.20:57
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trevarthanhttp://kradio.sourceforge.net/21:08
trevarthanDoes the n800 use QT?21:08
bill20r3gtk21:09
bill20r3afaik, anyway21:09
zakxgtk+hildon21:14
zakxno qt there21:14
trevarthanNot a simple port job. Looks like it might be easier to write from scratch. What sort of a dev environment do I need with maemo?21:18
zakxi guess http://www.tweako.com/customizing_the_nokia_n800_and_770_or_how_to_configure_the_device_for_your_purposes could be useful21:18
zakxbe sure to look for scratchbox in the maemo wiki, too21:19
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trevarthanNaeto21:25
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trevarthanHow do I copy text without being in an input field?21:32
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Pupnikgood question, how does one copy text? (i use bt keyboard)21:38
Pupnikwith a real mouse, hilight+middle-click works21:38
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Pupnikahh hold down stylus in one position and you get menu copy/paste etc21:39
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trevarthanIs there a bt kbd sold in retail stores in the US? Having trouble finding one in-store...21:53
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bill20r3make sure you get one that's a bt HID device, not bt Serial.21:55
trevarthanDoes the igo work?21:57
trevarthanAnd more importantly, is the extra clutter worth it?21:58
bill20r3I have one, I hardly ever use it.21:59
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trevarthanI guess it would be. I've taken to carrying a briefcase around for all the  cables and stuff....21:59
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Guard][anwhere would you enter a bug in bugzilla, about repository.maemo.org that has incorrect documentation ?22:25
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Pupniki find the 770+bt keyboard will comfortably share a coat pocket22:28
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maddlerevening all...22:47
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keesjhi maddler23:09
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trevarthanAny way to do ntp on the n800?23:14
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keesjtrevarthan: I use netdate23:15
keesjbut from the command line23:15
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trevarthanYou mean ntpdate?23:18
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keesjis this bad news? http://paste-it.net/2151/raw/23:19
keesjtrevarthan: no a very simple program called netdate23:20
keesjit just does one time time sync . it does not do the drifting and other advanced features23:20
trevarthanWhere do you get it?23:20
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keesjI have a .deb file here if you want http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/netdate_1.2_armel.deb23:22
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trevarthanIncompatible. You on a 770?23:27
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trevarthanSo... Nothing ready made for the n800, I guess.23:29
keesjdo you have an xterm installed?23:30
trevarthanYes23:30
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keesjcould you also try this one then ? http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/mud/repository_it2007/netdate_1_armel.deb23:32
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trevarthanStill incompatible.23:34
keesjthanks . I just flashed my system . I will test23:35
keesjI guess that I am missing a section to the deb . I also get "incompatible" package23:39
keesjhttp://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/netdate_1.2_armel.deb23:40
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keesjthis one now works (installs)23:41
geoffegWhat the hell is the default device lock code set to?23:47
geoffeg(nokia 770)23:47
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trevarthan1234523:47
geoffegargh, i tried 1234, 0000, 111123:47
trevarthankeesj: it installed. But it's not in my path. Where is it?23:48
keesj dpkg-deb -c netdate_1.2_armel.deb ./usr/sbin/netdate23:49
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keesjHi23:53
trevarthanHow do I get root? I tried 'su' but it said I need root to run that applet. Odd.23:53
qgilhi keesj, long time no see ;)23:53
keesjtrevarthan: sorry I did not think about that. perhaps the binary should be set to suid?23:54
trevarthan<shrugs> I'd rather know how to get root.23:56
bill20r3there's a "gainroot" package23:56
bill20r3or you can install dropbear and ssh in as root23:56
keesjI think you can also put the device in r&d mode and type gainroot?23:57
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keesjhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot/23:57
keesjthere should really be a good rootkit23:59
keesjsomething for maemo-hackers? ssh + maemo-hackers xterm + passwd change23:59

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