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| MDK | straight from everaldo: http://picasaweb.google.com/everaldo.canuto/MaemoTomboy | 00:09 |
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| Pupnik | where does that fit into the semantic web of software apps? | 00:12 |
| Pupnik | slick hypertext note-taker? | 00:12 |
| Pupnik | textual mind-mapper? | 00:13 |
| vbraun | doesnt tomboy need the mono runtime stuff? | 00:13 |
| MDK | never heard of tomboy? | 00:13 |
| MDK | it's a cool wiki like notetaking desktop application | 00:13 |
| Pupnik | yes | 00:13 |
| MDK | it's a really good one | 00:13 |
| vbraun | how's that going to fit into 128meg of ram? ;-) | 00:13 |
| MDK | vbraun: yes, mono runs very good on maemo | 00:13 |
| MDK | vbraun: the memory consumption is a myth | 00:14 |
| MDK | of course it consumes more than native apps | 00:14 |
| MDK | but less than python ie. | 00:14 |
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| sandman | So I think I've most of it handled now | 00:15 |
| vbraun | fair enough | 00:15 |
| sandman | I reflashed the n800 with my Debian box | 00:15 |
| sandman | And now I want to mkfs.ext3 the filesystem | 00:15 |
| sandman | after insmod ext3 | 00:15 |
| sandman | Then I want to debootstrap a debian-arm install and chroot into it. Run a vncserver, and from there I'll go | 00:15 |
| unique311 | anybody uysing scratchbox via vmware on a windows box? | 00:16 |
| sandman | Why VMware and not qemu? | 00:17 |
| rev | sandman: because vmware is fast and qemu is slow | 00:18 |
| sandman | qemu runs faster on my system | 00:18 |
| rev | sandman: because vmware is virtualization and qemu is emulation | 00:18 |
| rev | sandman: huh | 00:18 |
| rev | ? | 00:18 |
| rev | sandman: do you mean virtual pc maybe? | 00:19 |
| sandman | No, I mean qemu + the kernel module | 00:19 |
| rev | or did qemu implement virtualization? | 00:19 |
| unique311 | well on windows and had vmware installed | 00:19 |
| unique311 | but... | 00:19 |
| Pupnik | rev, yes recently the accelerated stuff became free | 00:19 |
| rev | oh? | 00:19 |
| Pupnik | iirc | 00:20 |
| unique311 | i keep getting a running out of space error...after compiling a descent amount of apps.. | 00:20 |
| rev | anyone know if this has been impklemented for OS X/x86 yet? | 00:20 |
| unique311 | 10 lets say | 00:20 |
| unique311 | i run make clean afterwards | 00:20 |
| unique311 | on everything | 00:20 |
| gla55 | unique311: the vmware image should run the same no matter if you're on windows or on linux | 00:20 |
| unique311 | i check the disk i have the image on...and its nice in size | 00:20 |
| unique311 | it runs fine | 00:20 |
| unique311 | but it complains about disk space after a certain amount of compiles | 00:21 |
| sandman | "it" being... the Nokia? | 00:22 |
| Pupnik | the "df" command will show you much much is free in vmware | 00:22 |
| unique311 | it being vmware | 00:22 |
| unique311 | well not really... | 00:22 |
| unique311 | i check my I:drive | 00:22 |
| unique311 | and it shows much much is free | 00:22 |
| unique311 | but then this freaking image stops working | 00:23 |
| Pupnik | i didn't know linux used drive letters | 00:23 |
| unique311 | have a feeling its going to happen now..cause i am compiling QT | 00:23 |
| unique311 | not linux | 00:23 |
| unique311 | i:drive as in my windows machine | 00:23 |
| gla55 | what does some drive "i:" having free have to do with there being free in the vmware image | 00:23 |
| gla55 | in the virtual machine that is running inside vmware | 00:24 |
| unique311 | the vmware image files on on my i:/ | 00:24 |
| sandman | Right | 00:24 |
| gla55 | yes, but what does that have to do with what happens inside vmwares virtual computer? | 00:24 |
| sandman | You need to be a bit more concise with your questions, I think :) | 00:24 |
| unique311 | now why would vmware complain about space when the windows I:/ is not full at all | 00:24 |
| gla55 | the ext2 or whatever filesystem there doesn't magically expand beying the image i suppose | 00:24 |
| gla55 | because it is not using i: ? | 00:25 |
| gla55 | but instead space inside the image? | 00:25 |
| unique311 | oh | 00:25 |
| sandman | unique311: Okay, so VMware is complaining, not the installation being virtualized? | 00:25 |
| unique311 | that brings me to another thing | 00:25 |
| Pupnik | does vmware implement magically expanding virtual partitions? | 00:25 |
| sandman | Slow down | 00:25 |
| gla55 | pupnik: for windows i think yes | 00:25 |
| unique311 | yes | 00:25 |
| gla55 | pupnik: well, magically expanding to a point | 00:25 |
| gla55 | dunno about linux drives | 00:25 |
| unique311 | i check the maximum size and its 30GB for the ubuntu image.. | 00:25 |
| unique311 | 20 think for scratchbox.. | 00:26 |
| unique311 | and 2Gb for the swap | 00:26 |
| Pupnik | nice feature... wonder when that got added | 00:26 |
| unique311 | and its still complains.. | 00:26 |
| sandman | What is its complaint | 00:26 |
| sandman | What exactly does it say | 00:26 |
| unique311 | i'll tell you in a couple of minutes.. | 00:27 |
| unique311 | make that 30+ minutes | 00:27 |
| unique311 | make is running.. | 00:27 |
| sandman | I see. | 00:27 |
| sandman | Isn't there a logfile in there? | 00:27 |
| unique311 | yes..but i didn't get the error on this install yet... | 00:28 |
| unique311 | mind you this is the third install of scratchbox.. | 00:28 |
| sandman | Well, make sure to come back with the exact error message :) | 00:28 |
| unique311 | np | 00:28 |
| sandman | You said there were other things? | 00:28 |
| unique311 | the maximum size of the virtual drives for ubuntu and scratchbox...not reached but yet still got the error which forced me to reinstall.... | 00:29 |
| sandman | This sounds like the same issue you were just talking about. | 00:30 |
| unique311 | thats it then... | 00:30 |
| unique311 | well QT ended with a make error... | 00:31 |
| unique311 | How to compile Qt for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet / maemo | 00:31 |
| unique311 | Here is the configure line that works: | 00:31 |
| unique311 | qt-x11-free-3.3.4.arm/configure -qt-gif -no-xinerama -thread -stl -tablet -libdir /usr/lib/qt3 -headerdir /usr/include/qt3 -bindir /usr/local/bin -DQT_QLOCALE_USES_FCVT | 00:31 |
| unique311 | that didn't work... | 00:31 |
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| sandman | What was the error? | 00:36 |
| unique311 | make[2]: *** [.obj/debug-shared-mt/ftxopentype.o] Error 1 | 00:37 |
| unique311 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/maemo/Trolltech/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/src' | 00:37 |
| unique311 | make[1]: *** [sub-src] Error 2 | 00:37 |
| unique311 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/maemo/Trolltech/qt-x11-free-3.3.4' | 00:37 |
| unique311 | make: *** [init] Error 2 | 00:37 |
| Pupnik | looks like a make error | 00:39 |
| Pupnik | that came up when you ran configure? | 00:39 |
| unique311 | might have been me... | 00:39 |
| unique311 | i added a couple of flags to configure... | 00:40 |
| unique311 | gonna try it her way now... | 00:40 |
| unique311 | heh | 00:40 |
| unique311 | no | 00:40 |
| unique311 | its a make error | 00:40 |
| unique311 | configure when thru without no errors | 00:40 |
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| Pupnik | what are you going to do if it compiles? | 00:45 |
| unique311 | find some qt apps and compile some more | 00:47 |
| unique311 | In file included from 3rdparty/opentype/ftxopentype.c:3: | 00:48 |
| unique311 | 3rdparty/opentype/ftxopen.c:18:40: freetype/internal/ftstream.h: No such file or directory | 00:48 |
| unique311 | the error starts | 00:48 |
| unique311 | http://pastebin.ca/479769 | 00:49 |
| unique311 | heres the pastebin | 00:49 |
| unique311 | complaining of a file not being there | 00:49 |
| Pupnik | look in /usr/include/freetype2 | 00:50 |
| Pupnik | maybe it's in that tree | 00:50 |
| Pupnik | assuming qt-x11-free uses the host X server | 00:52 |
| unique311 | i need her src | 00:53 |
| Pupnik | why hasn't she released it yet? | 00:54 |
| unique311 | the src i'm using is modified for a pda and phone | 00:54 |
| unique311 | have to get in touch with her | 00:55 |
| unique311 | i'll send her an email | 00:55 |
| Pupnik | from what you posted earlier it looks unfinished | 00:55 |
| unique311 | maybe its a closed program... | 00:56 |
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| unique311 | also read that QT is under some dual GPL | 00:57 |
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| unique311 | so she don't have to release if she doesn't want to | 00:57 |
| unique311 | http://www.ofb.biz/article.pl?sid=381 | 00:58 |
| unique311 | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/169 | 00:59 |
| unique311 | i was confronted with the licensing option... | 00:59 |
| Pupnik | i wonder why nobody has ported it yet | 01:00 |
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| unique311 | size | 01:01 |
| Pupnik | i suppose so | 01:03 |
| Pupnik | it'd be fun to see zaurus apps running on tablets though | 01:03 |
| Pupnik | i probably wouldn't go through the bother of setting up a dual boot for it | 01:04 |
| unique311 | i will email her anyways, and see if she will release... | 01:05 |
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| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1548 | 01:09 |
| unique311 | lol | 01:09 |
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| unique311 | last link made me understand the lack of effort to port QT to maemo... | 01:19 |
| unique311 | FREE | 01:19 |
| Pupnik | cheers unique311 - gotta rest a bit | 01:21 |
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| unique311 | lates | 01:21 |
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| Olof | i have installed nmap onto my N800, it works fine in xterm but not in the included frontend (nmapfe) | 02:19 |
| Olof | http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/ | 02:19 |
| Olof | have anyone gotten the frontend to work? | 02:19 |
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| vbraun | I think I found the solution to the usb networking problem from this afternoon: On the PC (FC6) i have to manually "modprobe rndis_host". Otherwise I get a weird error message... | 06:04 |
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| keesj | Hi | 09:31 |
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| shreyas | hey, has anyone built an rpm for xserver-xephyr ? | 11:22 |
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| timeless | can someone tell me how to remove the images app from gconf's mime types (w/o uninstalling it) | 11:28 |
| keesj | can't you use regedit32 ? | 11:29 |
| keesj | ho | 11:29 |
| timeless | does regedit32 run on maemo? | 11:29 |
| PupnikZz1 | :) | 11:29 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:29 |
| timeless | btw, it's regedt32.exe in case you were curious | 11:30 |
| `0660 | someone should port wine to maemo | 11:30 |
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| Pupnik | sorry timeless i don't know | 11:30 |
| keesj | I shows how old my knowlegde of the other OS is | 11:30 |
| timeless | keesj: it's always been spelled w/ 8.3 limitations | 11:34 |
| tigert | doesnt wine depend on X86 architecture? | 11:34 |
| timeless | there's a reason it isn't mplayer32.exe (it's mplay32.exe) | 11:34 |
| timeless | tigert: certainly not | 11:34 |
| keesj | timeless: I guess so , wine is not an emulator | 11:35 |
| Pupnik | wine itself doesn't, but win32 programs do | 11:35 |
| timeless | w32 existed on ppc, alpha, mips, and a couple of others | 11:35 |
| timeless | pupnik: again, wrong | 11:35 |
| Pupnik | most win32 programs | 11:35 |
| timeless | most common w32 programs happen to be w32ia32 | 11:35 |
| timeless | but the api exists for the others | 11:35 |
| tigert | timeless, in practice, real world, i mean. | 11:35 |
| timeless | and there do exist w32 apis | 11:35 |
| timeless | s/apis$/apps/ | 11:35 |
| jkyro_ | hmm, would it be possible to actually run WinCE stuff with wine? | 11:36 |
| gla55 | i doubt it | 11:36 |
| gla55 | the apis are different after all | 11:37 |
| jkyro_ | I mean, not out of the box but with reasonable wine effort... | 11:37 |
| `0660 | i think wine had a separate implementation of regedit | 11:37 |
| timeless | you can always run the standard apps | 11:37 |
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| timeless | but wine does include its own | 11:37 |
| timeless | same for winfile iirc | 11:37 |
| `0660 | which could probably easily be ported to maemo :) | 11:37 |
| tigert | wine has some stuff of its own, help viewer i think, etc | 11:38 |
| timeless | there's actually a gconf editor available for maemo | 11:38 |
| timeless | but i'm too lazy to install it this time | 11:38 |
| inz | Pupnik, my version of osso-xterm is available via http from the repository, http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/o/osso-xterm/ | 11:38 |
| timeless | anyway, i think the wince apis are probably not too many, someone probably could get wince1..3 available by building on wine if it hasn't already been done and they wanted to | 11:39 |
| `0660 | inz, ready for the exam? :) | 11:40 |
| jkyro_ | the question is, whether there is anything actually useful and popular for the wince :) | 11:40 |
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| jkyro_ | software I mean | 11:41 |
| `0660 | good integration with exchange? :) | 11:41 |
| Pupnik | ty inz | 11:41 |
| jkyro_ | `0660: does that count as "useful"? :) | 11:41 |
| tigert | jkyro, check something like download.com | 11:42 |
| inz | `0660, nah, the I resisted the dark side and didn't go to land Symbian | 11:42 |
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| `0660 | i'd say symbian is the dark side :) | 11:42 |
| inz | -the | 11:42 |
| inz | That's what I meant | 11:42 |
| `0660 | that's a good choise :) | 11:43 |
| inz | Except that now I have to try once again next year | 11:43 |
| inz | ...for the third time... | 11:43 |
| Pupnik | the OS on the psions was a good match to the cpu/hardware | 11:43 |
| `0660 | :/ | 11:44 |
| tigert | http://www.download.com/Pocket-PC-Windows-Mobile/2001-2009_4-0.html?tag=dir | 11:44 |
| `0660 | maybe the ide will be better next year :) | 11:44 |
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| keesj | psions where nice | 11:44 |
| florian | good morning | 11:44 |
| slapin | hi, all! | 11:45 |
| inz | `0660, maybe next year they'll allow to make the main excercise for maemo! | 11:45 |
| Pupnik | i sometimes dream about a psion netbook mod - new screen, cpu, mainboard | 11:45 |
| `0660 | would be great | 11:45 |
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| inz | And I know I'm dreaming, but I prefer that way until the course starts again =) | 11:46 |
| `0660 | :P | 11:46 |
| `0660 | ok, better go to the exam -> | 11:46 |
| inz | gl | 11:47 |
| Pupnik | oh nice, ebay has a siemens SIMPad SLC touchbook new for 199 euro... the perfect 'momputer' | 11:48 |
| gla55 | hehe | 11:49 |
| Pupnik | she loves the 770 but can't read the text well enough | 11:50 |
| Pupnik | would be fun to try to get maemo on those too | 11:54 |
| gla55 | how fast are them? | 11:55 |
| Pupnik | Intel StrongARM 1110, 200 MHz | 11:55 |
| Pupnik | same as psion netbook i think | 11:55 |
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| gla55 | not too much info on the net about them | 11:56 |
| Pupnik | darn the onboard flash is too small 32 MB FLASH, 64 MB RAM | 11:57 |
| gla55 | out of curiosity, you know if it was done by now dead siemens-mobile or other siemens parts? | 11:57 |
| Pupnik | by their notebook div. fujitsu-siemens | 11:57 |
| Pupnik | oh man some guys are actually upgrading the RAM/Flash on it... http://opensimpad.org/index.php/RAM-Flash_upgrade | 11:59 |
| gla55 | huh very cool | 12:01 |
| gla55 | my mad solder skillz wouldn't be up to that.. | 12:01 |
| gla55 | they're only good for modding wiis | 12:01 |
| Pupnik | :)... interesting... gpe runs on it. what is the relationship between gpe and hildon? | 12:03 |
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| Pupnik | thank google for their cache | 12:06 |
| Pupnik | In many ways maemo could be compared to the GPE (http://gpe.handhelds.org) project that aims to provide Free Software GUI environment for palmtop/handheld computers running the GNU/Linux? operating system. What makes maemo different is the ease of development it provides to the handheld application developers and a new user interaction design based around task based usage referred to as the Hildon User Interface and Hildon Applicatio | 12:06 |
| gla55 | pupnik: there's no gpe aimed devices really though are there? | 12:07 |
| Pupnik | i haven't seen any | 12:08 |
| gla55 | http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/ seems fresher site | 12:08 |
| gla55 | oh nice, they got something running on a htc universal | 12:08 |
| gla55 | a semi nice device | 12:08 |
| gla55 | but slow as molasses, even if it's 520mhz(!).. at least with windows mobile | 12:09 |
| gla55 | and screen is crappier than on 770 | 12:09 |
| gla55 | browsing experience is crappier | 12:09 |
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| gla55 | bluetooth is crap to config due to wm | 12:09 |
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| jon1012 | hello | 12:14 |
| jon1012 | someone knows how to detect a n800 or 700 on a website to serve a dedicated version ? | 12:15 |
| jon1012 | s/700/770 | 12:15 |
| jon1012 | (for example on an online shop, give a special version of the shop adapted to the pda screen and user experience) | 12:16 |
| Pupnik | what does browser ID of opera say? | 12:17 |
| jon1012 | opera 8.02 | 12:18 |
| Pupnik | since the tablet versions of opera are frozen, and PC opera users generally upgrade, you could guess based on that | 12:19 |
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| gla55 | doesn't it say anything else | 12:20 |
| jku_ | the user agent string tells you the whole story, wait a sec and I'll paste it here... | 12:20 |
| jku_ | Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; X11; Linux armv6l; U) Opera 8.5 [en_GB] Maemo browser 0.7.11 RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7 | 12:22 |
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| jku_ | Hilarious how it represents itself as four different browsers... | 12:25 |
| jku_ | It's Mozilla/4.0 (just like everyone else) | 12:25 |
| jku_ | it's also MSIE | 12:26 |
| jon1012 | Pupnik: ok, thanks | 12:26 |
| jon1012 | jku_: lol | 12:26 |
| jon1012 | jku_: so I could guess based on the "Maemo browser" part | 12:26 |
| jku_ | but no, it's actually Opera (or maybe Maemo browser) | 12:26 |
| jku_ | That would be my guess | 12:27 |
| jon1012 | would have been nice to have the device name in there however :( (since there maye be future maemo devices with different screen resolutions) | 12:27 |
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| jku_ | First, you probably shouldn't make versions for different resolutions (that's not what web is about) | 12:28 |
| jku_ | second, if you do, you should ask at maemo-users about the recognition string... | 12:29 |
| shres | hey, i have a scratch box install when i do a apt-get update, it fails to resolve repository.maemo.org, i can resolve that from the command line. Do i need to set something in the scratch box install? | 12:29 |
| jon1012 | well, for pdas yes, because scrolling isn't ideal :) I could do a better ui specially made for fingers use | 12:29 |
| jon1012 | jku_: thanks for your help | 12:29 |
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| jku_ | jon1012, np | 12:30 |
| Pupnik | shres: is your /etc/resolv.conf in scratchbox pointing to your nameserver? | 12:31 |
| jku_ | it could also be the problem with /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf, but do check resolv.conf first | 12:33 |
| shres | added the entries to resolv.conf, still doesnt work. I restarted ctl (dont know if thats required though ) | 12:35 |
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| shres | also, i am building maemo on pepper pad 3 (fc4 based), i downloaded the xephyr source using (apt-get source xserver-xephyr), do i need to build that --enable-kdrive switch? | 12:37 |
| shres | i couldnt find any fc4 rpms, needless to say | 12:38 |
| jku_ | check /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf (not the same thing as /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox) | 12:38 |
| jku_ | hosts-line should be: | 12:38 |
| jku_ | hosts: files dns | 12:39 |
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| shres | yep, thats how it is. Once i edit resolv.conf do i need to restart something, /etc/init.d/ifupdown restart fails. | 12:41 |
| jku | resolv.conf should "just work", no need to restart | 12:42 |
| shres | ifupdown: Error: Failure initializing /etc/network/run/ifstate << what does that mean? | 12:44 |
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| Pupnik | with a running network mine says lo=lo // eth0=eth0 | 12:46 |
| Pupnik | shres, do you get error messages when starting /scratchbox/login ? | 12:46 |
| Pupnik | for the first time... | 12:46 |
| shres | nope | 12:48 |
| shres | ok, here is something interesting. my eth0:avah is up with the networkmanager default address | 12:49 |
| shres | the 169.254.7.102 | 12:49 |
| shres | while my wlan0 has the right ip | 12:49 |
| shres | but i presume its not being used | 12:49 |
| Pupnik | well if you look at the ifupdown script, you see that it tests for read/write ability on /etc/network/run/ifstate | 12:50 |
| Pupnik | maybe it's getting confused by strange interface names | 12:50 |
| Pupnik | i've seen that happen before | 12:51 |
| shres | yeah, how do i shutdown that interface? | 12:51 |
| shres | i suppose i need to give my user root privilege somehow | 12:51 |
| Pupnik | ifconfig $interface down | 12:51 |
| shres | heh, no i mean i dont have permission to do that. And i dont know how to login as root into scratchbox | 12:52 |
| Pupnik | you shouldn't be messing with interfaces from within the scratchbox environment, afaik | 12:52 |
| Pupnik | try to set up a simple eth0 interface from the host system | 12:52 |
| Pupnik | then see if sb can deal with that | 12:52 |
| Pupnik | just what i'd try ... just my $.02 | 12:53 |
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| shres | cool, thanks let me try that | 12:55 |
| shres | brb, thanks for the help Pupnik | 12:55 |
| Pupnik | np | 12:55 |
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| Pupnik | you know, "ping" would have been a nice feature to have | 12:57 |
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| Pupnik | looking at all these umpc/tablet devices, nobody has come close to getting it right like nokia IMHO | 13:04 |
| Pupnik | intel cpus, hard drives, 768MB ram... wrong wrong wrong | 13:05 |
| gla55 | expensive, expensive | 13:05 |
| roope | big, big. | 13:05 |
| roope | the samsung q1 is really funny. | 13:06 |
| Veggen | Pupnik: The Nokias are definitely a step in the right direction. | 13:06 |
| roope | a big fat black brick with horrible battery life and poor text input. | 13:06 |
| gla55 | roope: sucks for taking with you and sucks for using as desktopt replacement | 13:06 |
| gla55 | thats really the intel umpc's niche | 13:07 |
| gla55 | sucking on both directions | 13:07 |
| Pupnik | :) | 13:07 |
| roope | not to mention the windows ui that was tacked on top of it. | 13:07 |
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| Pupnik | are there reflective color displays that work well in sunlight? without consuming lots of backlight power? | 13:08 |
| Pupnik | that was the nice thing about those black and white reflective lcds (palm, psion 5mx) | 13:09 |
| keesj | http://www.irextechnologies.com/ | 13:09 |
| pna | hi there is any way to become part of the 31337 group to see the examples in http://maemo.org/development/examples/ ? | 13:10 |
| keesj | I saw that one a fosdem. , it was so refreshing to look at something that looked like pater | 13:10 |
| keesj | I was gtk based they said | 13:10 |
| Pupnik | yeah no color though | 13:10 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:11 |
| Pupnik | greets... afk | 13:12 |
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| keesj | http://developer.irexnet.com/pub/Base%20software/ | 13:14 |
| keesj | gtk+-2.6.7 minimo | 13:14 |
| pna | keesj: was the answer to my question? | 13:14 |
| keesj | pna: /me not 1337 | 13:16 |
| keesj | !1337 | 13:16 |
| pna | hehe ok, thanks ;) | 13:16 |
| keesj | pna it is a very new site , possibly just a configuration problem | 13:17 |
| pna | yeah i'm reading all the tutorials from the google cache ;) | 13:18 |
| pna | i know there was a migration | 13:18 |
| pna | but anyway i guess here is the right place to ask for the access | 13:19 |
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| keesj | perhaps also the mailing list | 13:20 |
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| kkito | hello | 13:25 |
| kkito | do you know where can i find the tap-n-hold animation pixmaps? | 13:25 |
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| b0unc3 | morning... | 13:51 |
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| part | keesj: the irex thingy at fosdem was really cool, I'd get one of those if it wasn't so damn expensive | 13:59 |
| inz | kkito, /usr/share/icons/hicolor/34x34/hildon/qgn_indi_tap_hold_a.ani | 14:03 |
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| kkito | thks inz! :) | 14:05 |
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| Guardian | when using automake / autotools, is there a way to specify that you want the obj file to be elsewhere than next to the .c ? | 14:06 |
| Pupnik | heh if i had to do an onscreen keyboard for SDL, i'd take the commodore PET layout from 1977 :) http://www.trendjumpers-auktionshop.de/images/Mai2007-76.jpg | 14:09 |
| keesj | Pupnik: :p | 14:11 |
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| Pupnik | i'm really tempted to buy this commodore pet pc conversion http://cgi.ebay.de/Commodore-PET-mit-PC-Innenleben_W0QQitemZ260115424743QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3544QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting | 14:12 |
| keesj | part, it was only after a really saw how the screen looked that I had the feeling that I would actualy really use it to read / take notes. | 14:13 |
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| part | keesj: I'm not sure about taking notes, but that would be awesome for reading | 14:45 |
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| kender | hiya | 14:46 |
| unique311 | kkito did you stop development on kde for n800? | 14:47 |
| unique311 | Pupnik you didn't take too nice to the internettabletalk post on kde running on Internet tablet | 14:48 |
| Pupnik | i probably overstated the case somewhat, but i stand by what i wrote | 14:49 |
| unique311 | hehehe | 14:49 |
| Pupnik | put another way, why didn't nokia just run KDE on the device in the first place? | 14:50 |
| unique311 | well it was your comment, than pengiunbait followed with another... | 14:50 |
| unique311 | and that was the end of the posts on that topic | 14:50 |
| unique311 | hmmm, wonder if you curb'd anyother comments on that subject.. | 14:50 |
| unique311 | nokia didn't do alot of things people wonder about.. | 14:50 |
| unique311 | i just read 3d and opengl is possible with the n800.. | 14:51 |
| unique311 | but just locked.. | 14:51 |
| unique311 | i'm guessing all of this was locked up..to have a better battery life.. | 14:51 |
| gla55 | licensing afaik | 14:52 |
| unique311 | ydx | 14:52 |
| unique311 | yes | 14:52 |
| unique311 | licensing sucks | 14:52 |
| unique311 | when it comes to linux.. | 14:52 |
| Pupnik | openbox-rox might be fun to try | 14:52 |
| unique311 | something so free, so open source | 14:52 |
| gla55 | hw is never free.. but.. it feels stupid that the hw is there but not in use | 14:53 |
| unique311 | but their's open source version of opengl http://www.mesa3d.org/ | 14:53 |
| unique311 | version = clone | 14:54 |
| gla55 | it's not that what i was talking about | 14:54 |
| gla55 | but about the vr(?) 3d stuff in the hw | 14:54 |
| Pupnik | you could run mesa on the 770/800 right now | 14:54 |
| gla55 | yes | 14:54 |
| gla55 | didn't someone do that, too? | 14:54 |
| unique311 | licensing | 14:55 |
| unique311 | Qt | 14:55 |
| unique311 | then | 14:55 |
| gla55 | unique: the license on which nokia bought the hardware platform | 14:55 |
| Pupnik | i think it's probably smart to ignore the 3d for now. just guessing but it probably wouldn't suffice for even old openGL games | 14:55 |
| gla55 | yeah | 14:55 |
| gla55 | wouldn't make porting anything that good | 14:56 |
| Pupnik | i saw some optimized n-gage games and they were impressive enough | 14:56 |
| Pupnik | but for general-purpose opengl... i'd give it a couple of years | 14:57 |
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| unique311 | in a couple years...the new version of the internet tablet will be out.. | 14:58 |
| unique311 | lol | 14:58 |
| unique311 | I'll most like be on a cheap very cheap UMPC running cloned maemo OS | 14:59 |
| unique311 | oh Pupnik http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46220 | 15:00 |
| unique311 | openbox | 15:00 |
| huoneusto | hi. has anyone of you developed Flash stuff especially for the n770? | 15:04 |
| Pupnik | i know... also there's a more informative kde thread (that didn't end after my posting to it) | 15:04 |
| Pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5474&highlight=kde | 15:04 |
| Pupnik | huoneusto: not I. what's the question behind the question? | 15:07 |
| huoneusto | pupnik: just eager to know, if there are some caveats etc. to avoid, when developing swf content for this particular device | 15:10 |
| huoneusto | i have a swf that is targeted to FP6 and plays just fine on winxp pc | 15:10 |
| jku | unique311, "a very cheap UMPC" -- I'll believe it when I see it. So far the term is the definition of oxymoron | 15:10 |
| Pupnik | i used to do some flash for my job back in 97-2001... back then the main slowdown came from using layers and large bitmaps | 15:11 |
| huoneusto | but when i run the same .swf on the N770's player, it just freezes (content) | 15:11 |
| keesj | I had some fun programming flash using mtasc from the linux command line. (it's not a horible as it sounds) | 15:12 |
| huoneusto | hmm. actually, i do have one large bitmap, a skin, of size 800x480 in that swf | 15:12 |
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| huoneusto | and now that i think back for a while... the problem occured AFTER adding that bitmap. | 15:14 |
| Pupnik | :) | 15:14 |
| Pupnik | keesj that was always intriguing to me - live server-side generated flash for interactivity | 15:14 |
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| keesj | Pupnik: I think it's more fun to creatre a flash and "control" it with commands from the server side. | 15:18 |
| keesj | you are talking about http://www.openlaszlo.org/ ? | 15:18 |
| Pupnik | haven't heard of that.. was thinking of it after adobe opened the flash spec | 15:19 |
| Pupnik | i got lucky enough to do a database-driven flash site for the frankfurt airport in 2000 | 15:19 |
| keesj | in the past is was neceracy to generate flash , but nowerdays you can load movies and images directly | 15:20 |
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| unique311 | jku $500 MID device | 15:25 |
| unique311 | is the MID even considered a UMPC? | 15:26 |
| unique311 | feck | 15:26 |
| unique311 | k, this is confusing | 15:27 |
| jku | I didn't consider it UMPC | 15:27 |
| jku | MID ~= N800 | 15:27 |
| unique311 | yeah... | 15:27 |
| unique311 | what about a MID with a hardrive, and a 1Ghz processor? | 15:28 |
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| jku | Won't fit in your pocket, will be hot to handle, will rape your battery, and I doubt it will be $500 | 15:29 |
| jku | imho, of course | 15:29 |
| unique311 | heh | 15:31 |
| unique311 | how about a UMPC payment plan, payment in installments of 500 dollars.. for 3 months.. | 15:33 |
| unique311 | or 4 | 15:33 |
| unique311 | http://downloads.maemo.org/ what happen to applications link on maemo.org | 15:36 |
| Pupnik | a number of links are down, use google cache | 15:37 |
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| Pupnik | man, default gtkrc for it2007 is huge... 191448 May 1 06:47 gtkrc | 15:46 |
| Knirch | you know you love it | 15:48 |
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| Pupnik | anybody happen to know where i can set the window border color? it's currently white and i'd like it dark | 16:09 |
| Pupnik | possibly it's bitmaps and not a XXXXXX color set | 16:10 |
| b0unc3 | someone has never used wpa (wpa_supplicant) on n800 ? | 16:11 |
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| gla55 | hmm? | 16:12 |
| gla55 | wpa has always worked out of the box on 770/800, in my experience? | 16:13 |
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| inz | gla, not all of it | 16:19 |
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| inz | gla, I mean some authentication methods aren't supported by 770/N800 | 16:21 |
| Pupnik | looks like tigert is theme guru here | 16:22 |
| Pupnik | also MDK :) | 16:23 |
| timeless | tigert is responsible for the blue theme that most people like | 16:24 |
| timeless | i'm responsible for not liking most of the themes :) | 16:24 |
| Pupnik | :) hi timeless, nice to read your stuff on the forums | 16:25 |
| timeless | forums? | 16:25 |
| Pupnik | i'm doing a dark background variant of the default it2007 theme | 16:25 |
| Pupnik | nm i got you mixed up with someone else | 16:26 |
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| Pupnik | 543 images | 16:32 |
| X-Fade_ | Pupnik: Can't you use the theme creator? | 16:33 |
| Pupnik | never tried it - i'll look for it | 16:34 |
| X-Fade_ | You can even reassemble a template from an existing theme, IIRC. | 16:35 |
| Pupnik | thanks for the tip | 16:35 |
| Pupnik | ah that's konttori's work... /me salutes | 16:37 |
| Pupnik | just got to get black border around xterm :) | 16:38 |
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| konttori | I hope you like it Pupnik. If you have ideas, I'm more than glad to implement them. | 16:40 |
| konttori | The current gtkrc in it is relic of it2006, but is completely compatible with itos2007. (which is the main reason it has not been updated - cross version compatibility) | 16:40 |
| konttori | Also, next version will have support for user modifications to postinst and prerm. | 16:41 |
| konttori | Thus, you can also add sounds and such to your themes. | 16:41 |
| konttori | OTOH, from what I just read from you, that is not what you want anyway ;) | 16:42 |
| konttori | Just black border ;) | 16:42 |
| Pupnik | someday i hope to try doing a real theme and will definitely use your tool/template system | 16:43 |
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| konttori_ | Pupnik: Cool. great to hear that. Won't take more than a few hours to make a theme. I think I made both nuvotheme and brushed theme in half a day or a day. | 17:39 |
| Pupnik | yeah your tool really will help to see what elements match against the others | 17:40 |
| * Pupnik has found and removed the white border | 17:41 | |
| Pupnik | btw konttori_ The requested URL /~konttori/MediaConverter/ThemeMaker.zip not found | 17:43 |
| Pupnik | oh nm i was on the 2006 blog page sorry | 17:44 |
| konttori_ | Umm... try https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36&release_id=595 | 17:44 |
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| mdz | good day | 17:58 |
| mdz | I have some questions about the svn layout for maemo, is anyone around who can help? | 17:59 |
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| mdz | in particular, hildon-libs vs. hildon-1 | 18:01 |
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| roope | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1669810229913073821 that's nice | 19:35 |
| Pupnik | can you be more specific? | 19:41 |
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| geoffeg | Anyone else had any luck getting Gizmo to work on the latest 2006 OS? | 19:52 |
| bipolar | geoffeg: I have an n800, and all I know is that there is a diffrent version for the 770 | 19:52 |
| geoffeg | I think there's some error running the debian package postinst script.. Trying to figure out what's wrong now. | 19:53 |
| geoffeg | (I need to do this when I can ssh into the thing, screwing around in xterm with the thumb keyboard isn't exactly speedy) | 19:54 |
| bipolar | geoffeg: nod | 19:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | geoffeg: the file that you download from gizmo's site doesnt work ? =/ | 19:57 |
| MoRpHeUz | geoffeg: I was thinking about giving it a try.. | 19:57 |
| geoffeg | hah! ssh tunnels are my friend | 19:58 |
| * Pupnik wonders where to put the 5MB game data | 19:59 | |
| Pupnik | /usr/share/games or mmc? | 19:59 |
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| geoffeg | tar: Invalid tar magic! :) | 20:02 |
| geoffeg | better magic needed! | 20:02 |
| Pupnik | invalid 'magic number' string at header of file | 20:03 |
| Pupnik | i really don't see a good solution to put game data onto mmc in the debian installer | 20:03 |
| Pupnik | users will just have to move and symlink the dir themselves if they want | 20:03 |
| Pupnik | the vim70 packager should get rid of the /usr/share/vim/vim70/doc dir | 20:05 |
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| bipolar | geoffeg: sounds like tha package is broken/corrupted | 20:08 |
| geoffeg | it installed when i was running release 1 of the 2006 OS.. so maybe my download got corrupted | 20:10 |
| geoffeg | re-downloading now | 20:10 |
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| geoffeg | yep, that was it.. corrupted download | 20:12 |
| geoffeg | yay! | 20:12 |
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| geoffeg | btw, if you want to ssh into your n800 or 770 but your behind NAT.. ssh -R 4242:localhost:22 user@someremotebox.com.. and then ssh -p 4242 root@localhost on the someremotebox.. yummy | 20:12 |
| Pupnik | thanks for the tip | 20:14 |
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| Pupnik | you run ssh -R on the nokia? | 20:15 |
| geoffeg | yes | 20:17 |
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| geoffeg | you'll obviously need access to some box with a publicly available IP | 20:17 |
| geoffeg | mwuhahaha.. Gizmo works.. | 20:19 |
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| mgedmin | repository.maemo.org is borken? | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | I get 504 gateway timeout errors | 20:51 |
| jku_ | whole maemo.org is borken | 20:52 |
| zakx | was fucking slow the last days anyway | 20:53 |
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| * ks-[AWAY_WORK] is back. | 20:54 | |
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| shres | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora seems to throw an error | 21:00 |
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| trevarthan | dude, why does maemo.org keep going down so much? | 21:03 |
| trevarthan | I just got my new n800 shipped in, and I can't install junk because maemo is down. UGH. | 21:03 |
| trevarthan | I did manage to install dropbear ssh. Now how do I execute it? | 21:04 |
| zakx | client or server? | 21:04 |
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| trevarthan | client | 21:05 |
| zakx | you need to install the X Terminal | 21:05 |
| zakx | (package's named osso-terminal | 21:05 |
| zakx | ) | 21:05 |
| zakx | you can then start the terminal via Extras -> X Terminal | 21:05 |
| zakx | and then start using your ssh client | 21:06 |
| trevarthan | osso-xterm? Says it needs libxau. | 21:06 |
| zakx | should be in the repository it belongs to | 21:06 |
| jku_ | if maemo.org is down, that might mean other packages can't be installed either | 21:06 |
| jku_ | (missing dependencies) | 21:06 |
| trevarthan | I've only got about 20 packages in the app list. Maybe all of these came from maemo-hackers? | 21:06 |
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| jku_ | packages from maemo.org repositories will show in the list (since your package list was downloaded before), but they can't be installed. That's my guess. | 21:08 |
| zakx | trevarthan: try my sources.list (put it into /etc/apt, then update via package manager): http://zomg.be/sources.list | 21:08 |
| jku_ | app-manager does not show all packages by default (only things tthat are meant for 'normal users') | 21:09 |
| zakx | yeah, you also need to enable red pill mode | 21:09 |
| trevarthan | zakx: how do I download anything to /etc/apt when I don't have a terminal? | 21:10 |
| zakx | maybe it'll work using the browser and file manager | 21:10 |
| trevarthan | ah | 21:10 |
| zakx | otherwise, install dropbear-server and ssh as root onto you n800 (pw is "rootme") | 21:10 |
| jku_ | no root permissions with browser/filemanager | 21:11 |
| jku_ | you can add new repositories with app manager though | 21:11 |
| trevarthan | how do I start the ssh deamon? | 21:13 |
| jku_ | starts automatically | 21:13 |
| jku_ | so you better change the root passwd... | 21:13 |
| trevarthan | hmmm.... can't get in. is the port standard? | 21:14 |
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| jku_ | the wlan chip saves power aggressively, so you might need to access the network from the n800-side at the same time... | 21:16 |
| jku_ | That was the case with 770 anyway | 21:16 |
| jku_ | port is standard | 21:17 |
| trevarthan | ah. IT has the port blocked. I'll get them to open it. | 21:18 |
| trevarthan | it logs me in, then straight back out. what's up with that? | 21:22 |
| trevarthan | sh: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found | 21:23 |
| trevarthan | of course, if I use ssh -x, it still logs me right out | 21:23 |
| Pupnik | you don't need that for plain ssh | 21:25 |
| trevarthan | I can run a command at a time. But it won't give me a login shell | 21:25 |
| trevarthan | maybe I should install zsh? | 21:26 |
| Pupnik | you are doing something funky | 21:26 |
| trevarthan | am no | 21:26 |
| trevarthan | am not | 21:26 |
| Robot101 | bah, what's wrong with maemo.org :( | 21:33 |
| X-Fade_ | Robot101: Pick one of these options: Server overloaded, out of memory, hardware failure ;) | 21:36 |
| X-Fade_ | I think it is the proxy that sits in front of the website that has a problem.. | 21:36 |
| Robot101 | it's pissing me off a lot, I was in the middle of pulling ancient history out of svn and stuff | 21:36 |
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| X-Fade_ | I think that Ferenc is already working on it.. | 21:38 |
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| trevarthan | ugh. I tried to install zsh on my n800 because dropbear ssh server wouldn't give me a login shell and I can't install xterm due to an unsatisfied dep. App manager is now hung on the 'installing' screen. I can't kill it. | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | try waiting | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | sometimes the jffs2 garbage collector or whatnot kicks in and then installation takes minutes without moving the progress bar | 21:48 |
| trevarthan | I shut it off and restarted it. | 21:49 |
| trevarthan | now it says zsh is installed, but I still can't run it using `ssh -x root@66.129.25.26 '/bin/zsh'` | 21:49 |
| trevarthan | can't uninstall it either. ouch | 21:50 |
| trevarthan | can't update it either. | 21:51 |
| trevarthan | well, I guess I just have to wait for maemo.org to come back online. I can't do crap without it. | 21:52 |
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| trevarthan | why the heck does ash log me out automatically? | 21:55 |
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| trevarthan | Ugh. I can't upgrade my firmware until maemo.org comes back up either, it seems. | 22:10 |
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| geoffeg | Do they take maemo.org down randomly just for the fun of it? | 22:33 |
| Fatal | yes | 22:34 |
| mgedmin | all admins are like that | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | have you read bofh? | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | I know, I'm an admin too | 22:36 |
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| geoffeg | I'm also an admin, I manage to keep my websites up pretty well. :) | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | maybe that's because you care? :) | 22:40 |
| geoffeg | actually, i don't :) | 22:41 |
| geoffeg | very much at least | 22:41 |
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| geoffeg | trevarthan: why does not being able to access maemo.org mean you can't upgrade your firewall? | 22:43 |
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| geoffeg | Whee, I used the digg API's to make a more mobile-friendly version of the digg site. | 22:51 |
| geoffeg | digg.com uses tons of javascript and other files that don't work very well on the 770 | 22:51 |
| geoffeg | 6 included javascript files, 4 included CSS files | 22:54 |
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| behanw | Anyone know what's up with maemo.org? | 22:56 |
| behanw | All my attempts to get there timeout... :( | 22:56 |
| geoffeg | it's down.. that's what's up | 22:56 |
| behanw | I figured. | 22:56 |
| behanw | Thanks. | 22:57 |
| geoffeg | go get a beer, eat a steak, come back and try again later :) | 22:57 |
| pashi | some problem on VerizoneBusiness bigger router | 22:57 |
| behanw | Well, then, anyone know of a good wifi signal strength meter like wavemon for maemo? :) | 22:57 |
| geoffeg | i just use the meter in the connection manager, not very detailed buy. | 22:58 |
| geoffeg | s/buy/but/ | 22:58 |
| behanw | I wondered whether it was a bigger network issue. | 22:58 |
| behanw | A few sies have timed out... | 22:58 |
| behanw | ^sies^sites | 22:58 |
| behanw | geoffeg: me too, but I was hoping to have something a bit more responsive. I'm going to be doing an informal site survey tomorrow. | 22:59 |
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| behanw | Using the built in one takes a while to update... | 22:59 |
| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 22:59 |
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| geoffeg | behanw: i know that someone ported kismet to the 770 but it takes some hacking to get working | 23:01 |
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| trevarthan | how do I take a snapshot with the n800 camera? | 23:02 |
| Tahitibob | trevarthan, use "camera" application | 23:03 |
| trevarthan | I guess I have to install that? | 23:04 |
| Tahitibob | trevarthan, yes, with the application manager | 23:05 |
| behanw | geoffeg: well, I just got wavemon to compile for maemo. | 23:08 |
| behanw | It's not pretty (doesn't resize in the window properly) | 23:08 |
| behanw | But it seems to work for my purposes. | 23:08 |
| behanw | Perhaps I'll see if I can fix it later and make a package... | 23:09 |
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| behanw | Yeah, I looked into kismet. But it's not the feature set I want. | 23:10 |
| trevarthan | Is there any way to make the up/down buttons function as page up/down in the web browser application? | 23:10 |
| behanw | The built in maemo network chooser thingy does enough of what I need from kismet. | 23:10 |
| trevarthan | They're currently selecting links, like lynx does. I'd prefer to use the pen for that. | 23:10 |
| derf | trevarthan: Hold them down. | 23:13 |
| derf | It's kind of clunky unweildy, in my opinion, but it sort of works, anyway. | 23:14 |
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| jku__ | trevarthan, at least on the 770 it was possible to edit some opera config file to change it that way | 23:17 |
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| trevarthan | yeah, page up/down is clunky. Is the default browser a version of Opera? | 23:25 |
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| trevarthan | we really need a maemo package mirror. | 23:46 |
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| ||cw | trevarthan: it is opera, there's a file you can edit to change the pg up/dn to line up/dn | 23:48 |
| ||cw | might be a post on internettabletalk forum | 23:48 |
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| trevarthan | I'll take a look after I get my firmware upgraded, I guess. No point editing files just to overwrite them. | 23:48 |
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