| |tbb| | maddler: r u around? | 00:06 |
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| afireinside | hello guys.. someone there that could help me? | 00:19 |
| afireinside | :) | 00:19 |
| kpel | what is the problem? | 00:23 |
| afireinside | I'm just install the maemo and scratchbox following up the maemo tutorial.. and when I tried start Xephyr.. I got a strange error | 00:24 |
| afireinside | I'm searching about but until right now without success | 00:25 |
| kpel | no idea, sorry | 00:26 |
| kpel | perhaps it would help if you write down the error. someone might know more | 00:26 |
| afireinside | oh yeah.. i was going to.. | 00:27 |
| afireinside | :) | 00:27 |
| afireinside | oh I fixed.. lol | 00:31 |
| afireinside | thanks anyway | 00:31 |
| afireinside | :D | 00:31 |
| kpel | np | 00:35 |
| kpel | afireinside: did the error message help you to fix the problem? | 00:36 |
| afireinside | kpel: a little bit.. what really helps we was a url that I found it :P | 00:39 |
| afireinside | sorry for the notice | 00:39 |
| kpel | no problem | 00:39 |
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| Maddler800 | Goodnight all.. | 01:29 |
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| unique311 | anybody want a n800.....putting mines up on ebay.....with a buy price of 220 | 02:27 |
| unique311 | think thats good | 02:27 |
| zeenix | unique311: why? | 02:30 |
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| unique311 | come to the realization that.... | 02:30 |
| unique311 | if n800 was not a linux device...work for it to be a linux device would be speedy..... | 02:31 |
| unique311 | porting linux to it | 02:31 |
| unique311 | and i'm eyeing a umpc | 02:31 |
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| Pupnik_a1k | maybe some experience with other devices would be a good learning experience | 02:34 |
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| unique311 | http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/21/raon-digital-vega-umpc-reviewed/ | 02:35 |
| unique311 | well i fiugure i get a umpc running windows..i will eventually find a linux distro that can run on it eventually..... | 02:36 |
| Pupnik | well i'm old and the 770 is a fast computer for me | 02:45 |
| Pupnik | what's slow is the software :) | 02:45 |
| Pupnik | memcopy to framebuffer is what, 133MB/s? | 02:46 |
| Pupnik | something like that | 02:46 |
| unique311 | so are you going to wait for the next N990 to get here before you upgrade? | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | so that's like 180 fps | 02:48 |
| Pupnik | i'm just having fun is all. i don't need this device to do anything | 02:48 |
| unique311 | see i do... | 02:49 |
| unique311 | fun developing.. | 02:49 |
| unique311 | nokia needs to put all you guys developing in here on the payroll...... | 02:50 |
| Pupnik | ah, but would it be fun then? | 02:50 |
| unique311 | it would be quick....well the developing that is... | 02:51 |
| unique311 | no fun when money is involved... | 02:51 |
| unique311 | very true | 02:51 |
| Pupnik | i've done some programming for work and it can be rewarding, but you don't get to choose what to do very often | 02:51 |
| Pupnik | anyway maybe someone will make a umpc with x86 compatible cpu and a huge battery | 02:53 |
| Pupnik | that could be fun too perhaps | 02:53 |
| Pupnik | if there's a good community around it | 02:53 |
| Pupnik | don't count on it for that rado thing though | 02:53 |
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| unique311 | well, on that note...i will be taking a nice vacation from the channel.....and maemo...3 months to be exact....i want to see how much gets done by then...after all the n800 is kinda new, and here i am complaining about the development of apps.. | 02:54 |
| unique311 | but then iagain in 3 months the N990 might make an appearance... | 02:55 |
| unique311 | heh | 02:55 |
| Pupnik | i know exactly why you're frustrated and there's nothing anybody else can do about it | 02:55 |
| unique311 | i know.. | 02:56 |
| unique311 | food is here... | 02:56 |
| unique311 | that always makes me feel good | 02:56 |
| Pupnik | also, if the intel units start to sell, there will be more people doing maemo compatible ports | 02:57 |
| Pupnik | that should be fun | 02:57 |
| Pupnik | i'd like to see more convergence around portable/mid/tablet linux, not more divergence | 02:58 |
| Pupnik | right now it looks like maemo and openembedded are the two that will succeed | 02:59 |
| Pupnik | developing stuff takes time though | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | i saw the cvs of the frodo guys | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | they've had a 770 for over a year | 03:02 |
| Pupnik | and they're still working on getting a sdl menu running | 03:03 |
| Pupnik | and they're just working on that one thing | 03:03 |
| Pupnik | so smart professional programmers need over a year to port soemthing to 770 | 03:03 |
| Pupnik | in their spare time | 03:04 |
| Pupnik | or look at exult - that has been in development for like 6 years with 5-7 developers | 03:05 |
| Pupnik | same with ur-quan masters | 03:05 |
| Pupnik | you've done a lot finding cool things to port and getting them running | 03:06 |
| unique311 | very satisfied with the apps on my n800 | 03:06 |
| unique311 | hate the fact that i live in NYC and i can pick up wireless everywhere i want to... | 03:07 |
| unique311 | people are more aware about password and routers.. | 03:08 |
| Pupnik | people dream about visiting nyc | 03:08 |
| unique311 | don't bother.. | 03:08 |
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| unique311 | big dissapoitment | 03:08 |
| unique311 | kidding | 03:08 |
| user_ | hi all | 03:08 |
| unique311 | what up user.. | 03:09 |
| unique311 | do this user /nick <name your would like> | 03:09 |
| user_ | nothing much enjoyinh the holiday.. | 03:09 |
| unique311 | run that command /nick | 03:09 |
| user_ | thats the 'user'name i want | 03:09 |
| user_ | :) | 03:09 |
| unique311 | ok | 03:09 |
| unique311 | lol | 03:09 |
| user_ | lol | 03:10 |
| unique311 | is t registered? | 03:10 |
| user_ | dont know really...,, | 03:10 |
| user_ | not by me as of now. | 03:10 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 03:10 |
| unique311 | would u like to register it. | 03:10 |
| unique311 | 10 dollars | 03:10 |
| unique311 | paypal | 03:11 |
| unique311 | lol | 03:11 |
| unique311 | kidding | 03:11 |
| user_ | lol... | 03:11 |
| user_ | i got my own regtrd nick... | 03:11 |
| unique311 | but you could try /nickserv register <passwrd> <email> i think | 03:11 |
| user_ | but i m trying to test some stuff on my n800 | 03:11 |
| unique311 | cool | 03:12 |
| user_ | iwant to test video chat on the n800.... | 03:12 |
| unique311 | i gave up....on doing anything on the n800 as of now...lack of coding skills.. | 03:12 |
| user_ | any volunteers? | 03:13 |
| user_ | havent been able to video conference... | 03:13 |
| unique311 | i will | 03:14 |
| unique311 | you ready user_ | 03:14 |
| user_ | now? | 03:15 |
| unique311 | yea | 03:15 |
| user_ | yup | 03:15 |
| unique311 | whats ur gmail addy | 03:15 |
| unique311 | PM ur gmail | 03:16 |
| user_ | got it? | 03:16 |
| unique311 | no | 03:16 |
| unique311 | u need to register | 03:16 |
| unique311 | the name | 03:16 |
| unique311 | to pm | 03:16 |
| unique311 | user_ here unique11210@gmail.com | 03:18 |
| unique311 | thats my gmail. | 03:19 |
| unique311 | u still there man.... | 03:20 |
| user_ | got my auth req | 03:20 |
| user_ | ? | 03:21 |
| unique311 | no | 03:21 |
| user_ | mmm again.... | 03:21 |
| user_ | got it? | 03:22 |
| unique311 | no | 03:22 |
| unique311 | i have to add you to my contact list | 03:22 |
| unique311 | you also have to add me | 03:22 |
| unique311 | thats how it works my friend..lol | 03:22 |
| unique311 | well thats how i got it to work | 03:22 |
| user_ | already did | 03:22 |
| unique311 | so now i need to add you | 03:22 |
| unique311 | whats ur gmail addy | 03:23 |
| user_ | look on the pm | 03:23 |
| unique311 | i cannot get ur pm | 03:23 |
| unique311 | your username is not registered... | 03:23 |
| user_ | it should be a new window. | 03:24 |
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| unique311 | k i autorized you | 03:24 |
| unique311 | calling | 03:25 |
| unique311 | it works... | 03:25 |
| unique311 | thats was easy... | 03:25 |
| unique311 | can youu here | 03:25 |
| unique311 | ? | 03:25 |
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| unique311 | ok..you are scaring the shit out of me... | 03:26 |
| user_ | re hi | 03:26 |
| user_ | have no audio now | 03:26 |
| unique311 | ok | 03:26 |
| unique311 | your mic is working i can hear noise in the background,,, | 03:27 |
| user_ | there are ppl here on the phone now so | 03:27 |
| unique311 | i heard you | 03:27 |
| user_ | ny audio is off | 03:27 |
| unique311 | ok | 03:27 |
| user_ | where are u? | 03:27 |
| unique311 | sigining off.... | 03:28 |
| user_ | from | 03:28 |
| unique311 | NY | 03:28 |
| unique311 | NYC | 03:28 |
| unique311 | the lighting in here is not that good... | 03:28 |
| user_ | cool. i like nyc | 03:28 |
| user_ | im in mexico city. | 03:28 |
| unique311 | but it works...and i don't like being watch, so signing off...peace..... | 03:28 |
| user_ | do u see me ok? | 03:29 |
| unique311 | yeah | 03:29 |
| user_ | ok thx | 03:29 |
| unique311 | it works | 03:29 |
| user_ | yeah great | 03:29 |
| user_ | this was my firts vifeo chat with the n800 | 03:30 |
| unique311 | cool | 03:31 |
| unique311 | my second.. | 03:31 |
| user_ | yeah thx. | 03:31 |
| unique311 | its pretty cool..you just have to get contacts.. | 03:31 |
| unique311 | also..if someone has a webcam...you can do the videochat with them.. | 03:32 |
| user_ | i tried yyesterday but didnt work. the other guy had a firewall | 03:32 |
| unique311 | so its not only a n800 only thing. | 03:32 |
| unique311 | oh | 03:32 |
| user_ | oh really? i thiught it was a gtalk to gtalk only thing | 03:33 |
| unique311 | well yeah | 03:34 |
| user_ | well unique311 gottsa run now. i appreciate ur help. | 03:35 |
| unique311 | np | 03:35 |
| user_ | gimme a ring anytime | 03:35 |
| user_ | c ya soon..... | 03:35 |
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| unique311 | http://www.geocities.jp/ono_tetsu/gnocl/ | 04:07 |
| unique311 | thats pretty cool | 04:07 |
| Pupnik | yeah i just compiled tcl/tk for frodo emu and it worked | 04:12 |
| Pupnik | wasn't pretty though | 04:12 |
| Pupnik | what does gnocl do though | 04:12 |
| Pupnik | oh it binds to hildony stuff | 04:13 |
| Pupnik | cool | 04:13 |
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| unique311 | yesterday i tried compiling an emu that was tcl/tk dependent..and today this happens... | 04:21 |
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| Pupnik | i have tcl/tk debs here | 04:26 |
| Pupnik | just a couple of dependencies needed to compile them | 04:26 |
| Pupnik | http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4-dev_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | tcl8.4-doc_8.4.12-1.1_all.deb | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | tk8.4-dev_8.4.12-1_armel.deb | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | tk8.4-doc_8.4.12-1_all.deb | 04:28 |
| Pupnik | tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb | 04:28 |
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| unique311 | from the looks he http://www.geocities.jp/ono_tetsu/gnocl/ got it working 8.5 | 04:35 |
| unique311 | not devs | 04:36 |
| Pupnik | http://dissentradio.com/charles/awraymcgovern043007.mp3 | 04:36 |
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| unique311 | mplyer rocks..... | 05:22 |
| unique311 | mplayer dev u rock.. | 05:23 |
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| febb | hi all | 06:20 |
| unique311 | heh | 06:29 |
| unique311 | life really sucks.. | 06:29 |
| unique311 | just deleted my etc and usr folder | 06:29 |
| unique311 | reflash | 06:30 |
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| unique311 | i like this, a modern Whose on First... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LParSBVorRI | 07:09 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:43 |
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| Pupnik | AD-N770 your work on nethack is great | 12:27 |
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| AD-N770 | thanks pupnik | 12:33 |
| Pupnik | i'm going to study it sometime, i spent 3 months revamping the tiles for tome | 12:34 |
| Pupnik | lots of work... http://pupnik.de/arnims_tometilewarp.jpg | 12:36 |
| Pupnik | did a couple hundred from scratch, retouched about a thousand | 12:37 |
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| Ha2xRi | hi all. why this code: http://www.students.oamk.fi/~t3maha00/testivideo.py doesn't play video file in 770? x-terminal gives this: http://www.students.oamk.fi/~t3maha00/print.txt and then notting happens | 12:40 |
| Pupnik | Ha2xRi: os 2007? | 12:41 |
| Pupnik | Ha2xRi: what version of operating system do you run on the 770 | 12:42 |
| Ha2xRi | Pupnik: os 2006 | 12:43 |
| Ha2xRi | v. 3.2006.49-2 | 12:44 |
| Pupnik | kurja , i-kirjain ajaa ei osata olla vastuussa | 12:44 |
| zuh | Pupnik: Which translating app gave that gibberish?-) | 12:45 |
| Pupnik | http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=English&to=Finnish | 12:45 |
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| Pupnik | :) | 12:46 |
| zuh | I can't even guess the original :) | 12:46 |
| Pupnik | my favorite bad translation was from my resume - "commodore Pet" translated to "fleet admiral stroker" | 12:46 |
| zuh | :D | 12:47 |
| florian | good morning | 12:47 |
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| zuh | Ha2xRi: Have you tried does the pipeline in the beginning of the .py work with gst-launch? | 12:48 |
| Pupnik | servus florian | 12:48 |
| Ha2xRi | zuh: that works fine. i try to "open" it to code | 12:49 |
| zuh | Usually "no errors, no playback" means something isn't linked right, but it doesn't seem like it here... | 12:49 |
| zuh | hmm, you are setting syncs to true there | 12:50 |
| zuh | in code, but not in the pipeline | 12:50 |
| Pupnik | speaking of which, there's a commodore pet on ebay right nwo | 12:51 |
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| Ha2xRi | zuh: i have tested sync = false, but same problem still | 12:55 |
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| Pupnik | i still love the netbook.. http://ln-s.net/Tb4 | 13:51 |
| Pupnik | there is a linux kernel now for it too. could run itos / maemo :D | 13:52 |
| gla55 | hah | 13:55 |
| Pupnik | only reason i bought my 770 is cause i broke mine | 13:57 |
| Pupnik | was happily running arm-debian on it | 13:58 |
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| lardman | Pupnik: Did that have a 200MHz StrongArm? | 14:00 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 14:01 |
| lardman | Certainly quicker than the series5 :) | 14:01 |
| * koen gives the netbook pro next to his desk the evil eye | 14:01 | |
| Pupnik | fantastic little keyboard too. the dstn display was unreadable though | 14:01 |
| lardman | koen: What's wrong with it? | 14:01 |
| koen | 2.6.9 kernel | 14:02 |
| lardman | Pupnik: I was rather fond of the series 5, just needed a faster processor, more memory + colour | 14:02 |
| Pupnik | lardman: no, not color. the reflective lcd is what made it usable outdoors | 14:02 |
| * Pupnik has a series 5 too | 14:02 | |
| lardman | Pupnik: hmm, perhaps, but I always wanted to be able to watch avis. Not quite the same in greyscale (though the battery life is good) | 14:03 |
| lardman | I'm still not sold on the whole no-keyboard thing | 14:03 |
| * Jaffa neither. A Maemo Series 5mx, Revo or netBook with colour, BT and WLAN would be perfect for me. | 14:04 | |
| Jaffa | A bluetooth keyboard just isn't as good (and there's no real equivalent to Jotter or Agenda from EPOC yet) | 14:04 |
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| Pupnik | the psions got the keyboards right, not like the zaurus | 14:05 |
| lardman | I should buy a bt keyboard and stop moaning. Agreed, even the cxxx(x) series keyboards were a bit of a pain | 14:05 |
| lardman | though much better to have something than nothing - and mainly because on-screen keyboards take up screen space, not so much the speed | 14:06 |
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| lardman | With that said, many/most people must be happy without - look at all the iPaqs, etc., and the n800/770 | 14:07 |
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| Pupnik | not including a keyboard also gives the user the option to buy the best BT keyboard for their needs | 14:07 |
| Pupnik | a clamshell keyboard the size of a 770 would be too small | 14:08 |
| lardman | It would be fine for what I need - typing in a terminal, etc. | 14:09 |
| lardman | but everyone's different | 14:09 |
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| tux | hello, can anyone tell the absolute path of the audio clips and the video clips and the rest which i can see in the file manager? because only a directory i stored in it is visible in /home/user/MyDocs | 14:12 |
| bergie | tux: there are some directories with "." prefix under MyDocs | 14:12 |
| jku_ | hidden dirs under that directory, e.g. /home/user/MyDoc/.documents | 14:12 |
| bergie | no idea why Nokia decided to make those directories "hidden" by default | 14:12 |
| tux | ahh ok thnx xD | 14:13 |
| lardman | I think the general agreement was on not having localisation issues | 14:13 |
| tux | no i think it's pretty annoying :P i ll make symlinks =) | 14:13 |
| * Pupnik has symlinks too | 14:13 | |
| tux | ^^ | 14:13 |
| Pupnik | lardman: i don't understand how . prevents localisation issues | 14:15 |
| lardman | Pupnik: No need to alter the names of the hidden dirs | 14:16 |
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| tux | ln -s source dest right? i do: in /home/user/MyDocs: ln -s .documents ../documents | 14:19 |
| tux | and it says: ../documents: No such file or directory | 14:19 |
| tux | ehh duh? im trying to create a symlink? | 14:19 |
| tux | ohh hahaha i can't type i typed ls instead of ln beg my pardon xD | 14:20 |
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| Pupnik | don't ln -s .documents as the source | 14:27 |
| Pupnik | that will give you a documents -> .documents in the home dir | 14:27 |
| Pupnik | cd ~ ; ln -s MyDocs/.documents documents instead | 14:28 |
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| tux | isn't /home/user/Mydocs $ ln -s .documents ../documents the same as ~ $ ln -s Mydocs/.documents documents ? | 14:29 |
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| tux | :s/Mydocs/MyDocs/g | 14:29 |
| Pupnik | try it | 14:29 |
| tux | i ll try it on my desktop typing on my nokia sucks :P | 14:30 |
| Pupnik | on the nokia it gave me a documents -> .documents, which did not point to MyDocs/.documents | 14:30 |
| tux | you are right yes | 14:31 |
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| tux | i think i know why | 14:31 |
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| tux | because it stores the source in the symbolic link, which is .documents, the destination doesn't alter the source | 14:31 |
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| tux | so ../ doesn't add MyDocs to source | 14:32 |
| tux | xD i try again | 14:32 |
| * Pupnik has to lie down | 14:32 | |
| tux | why is that? | 14:33 |
| Pupnik | tired | 14:33 |
| tux | lol ok ^^ | 14:33 |
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| zeenix | Pupnik: if you find finnish funny, ask zuh to translate "please put this glass on table number 136" | 14:34 |
| tigert | "voitko ystävällisesti laittaa tämän lasin pöydälle numero sata kolmekymmentä kuusi" :) | 14:52 |
| zeenix | tigert: yksi sata.. | 14:53 |
| dpb_ | it doesn't need yksi when it's only one hundred.. | 14:54 |
| JussiP | "Äijä hei, vie tää tonne satakolmekutoseen!" | 14:55 |
| tigert | yeah | 14:56 |
| tigert | "yksi sata" is a bit weird | 14:56 |
| tigert | its like saying "a one car" | 14:56 |
| zeenix | tigert: no, i's like saying 'one hundred cars' | 14:58 |
| zeenix | oh well, i am far from being an authority on fi | 14:58 |
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| inz | zeenix, the rephrase was to imply how weird it sounds in finnish | 14:59 |
| tigert | zeenix: yes, but in english it's valid | 15:04 |
| tigert | but in finnish it is weird | 15:04 |
| tigert | but those are fairly little nuances | 15:04 |
| zeenix | tigert: finding weird things in finnish is quite weird :) | 15:04 |
| tigert | like, saying "one kilo of potatoes" is ok | 15:04 |
| saispo | it's possible to have network on my n770 with the usb cable ? | 15:04 |
| tigert | but you can also say "a kilo of potatoes" | 15:05 |
| tigert | saispo: yes | 15:05 |
| saispo | tigert: a wiki page is written about that ? | 15:05 |
| tigert | zeenix: the grammar is a horror | 15:05 |
| tigert | saispo: I think there is one | 15:05 |
| saispo | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowToSetUpUsbNetworkingDebian?highlight=%28usb%29%7C%28network%29 | 15:05 |
| saispo | :) | 15:05 |
| saispo | i think it's right | 15:05 |
| saispo | thanks | 15:05 |
| tigert | goody | 15:06 |
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| tigert | hmm | 16:02 |
| tigert | the evince loads my pdf | 16:02 |
| tigert | is a bit slow | 16:02 |
| tigert | and dies | 16:02 |
| koen | tigert: tried epdfview? | 16:03 |
| koen | that uses the fixed-point backend of poppler | 16:03 |
| tigert | in the repo? | 16:03 |
| koen | tigert: http://trac.emma-soft.com/epdfview/ | 16:03 |
| tigert | "killed" | 16:04 |
| tigert | sounds like it ran out of mem limits? | 16:04 |
| tigert | koen: is this hildonized? | 16:04 |
| koen | not that I know off | 16:05 |
| koen | but the UI is spartan by default | 16:05 |
| tigert | oh yea, I meant a maemo version | 16:05 |
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| tigert | it works ok on ubuntu | 16:07 |
| tigert | maybe the watchdig kills it | 16:07 |
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| tigert | since this is a scanned pdf | 16:07 |
| tigert | perhaps evince tries to load all pages and doesnt handle memory nicely? | 16:08 |
| koen | poppler does that | 16:08 |
| koen | one of the reasons why xpdf is still around | 16:09 |
| tigert | yea | 16:09 |
| etrunko | tigert: if you got the time, please try to rebuild poppler whithout cairo | 16:09 |
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| etrunko | koen: seems like epdfview behaves just like the built-in pdf viewer... one page at a time | 16:11 |
| etrunko | vivijim: hey | 16:11 |
| tigert | etrunko: hmm | 16:12 |
| etrunko | tigert: do you have swap enabled? | 16:12 |
| tigert | yeah, caching is nice | 16:12 |
| tigert | but | 16:12 |
| tigert | etrunko: lemme try | 16:12 |
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| tigert | I suspect memory bloat and watchdog bite | 16:27 |
| tigert | as it says "Killed" | 16:27 |
| tigert | but adding swap now | 16:27 |
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| cworth | etrunko: That failure doesn't sound cairo-related to me. | 16:31 |
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| etrunko | cworth: yeah, i was just wondering if the performance could be better if poppler used the splash backend | 16:37 |
| etrunko | tigert: it also depends on the document you're trying to load. | 16:37 |
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| cworth | etrunko: Yeah, I really don't know how those two backends differ in performance, (though I know how they differ in quality). | 16:40 |
| tigert | etrunko: yes, this is a scanned manual | 16:42 |
| koen | cworth: I've been trying to talk the iRex dudes into benchmarking the splash and cairo backend for the e-ink devices | 16:42 |
| etrunko | cworth: that's why i've packaged poppler with cairo | 16:43 |
| etrunko | :_ | 16:43 |
| etrunko | :) | 16:43 |
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| AD-N770 | do you know if there's a problem on maemo repository now ? | 18:28 |
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| kulve | AD-N770: at least apt-get update works.. | 18:30 |
| AD-N770 | kulve: apt-get it's not working for me | 18:30 |
| kulve | resolved WORKSFORME :) | 18:31 |
| AD-N770 | I'm going to try in a different computer now | 18:32 |
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| AD-N770 | something is wrong in the newly created sbox target following the instructions for building a kernel | 18:39 |
| zuh | ooh, finally evince! I've been suffering with the standard pdf viewer and switching to next page when zoomed in (have to use the menu, and why on earth someone thinks "previous" has any reason to be the first item (ie. the one that gets focused first). I don't read backwards!) | 18:44 |
| bill20r3 | evince++ | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | evince is nice | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | can it view a large pdf without running out of ram yet? | 18:47 |
| * zuh wonders if the 1.4.6 fix for the out-of-sight rendering would be nice to have for evince | 18:49 | |
| zuh | (fix in cairo 1.4.6 I mean) | 18:49 |
| tigert | enabling swap helped with this pdf | 18:55 |
| tigert | i wish it rotated pages though, or does it? | 18:55 |
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| zuh | The rating comments suggested so | 19:04 |
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| zuh | tigert: did you already look under edit?-) | 19:35 |
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| maddler | hi all... | 20:33 |
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| tigert | zuh: hmm | 20:41 |
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| kpel | hello | 20:42 |
| tigert | yea, it seems to invoke crash_now(); | 20:42 |
| tigert | :) | 20:42 |
| tigert | zuh: shouldnt that be under View? | 20:42 |
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| zuh | tigert: indeed | 21:58 |
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| Pupnik | synergy could use some work. disabling blanking, and also swapping the cursor so that the X11 cursor only shows when synergyc is running | 22:27 |
| Pupnik | the current solution is to manually delink the transparent x cursor, but that's ugly since it remains when you're using the tablet as a tablet | 22:28 |
| Pupnik | and the cursor also damages Xsp pixel doubling (e.g. mplayer, fceu) | 22:28 |
| roope | http://www.gizmoproject.com/screen-shots.php easy peasy | 22:28 |
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| unique311 | yo | 22:54 |
| unique311 | yo | 22:54 |
| unique311 | mtv | 22:54 |
| unique311 | raps | 22:54 |
| keesj | wassup | 22:55 |
| unique311 | had to reflash my danm n800 last night...stupid erro...i by accident rm -R my /usr and /etc folder | 22:55 |
| unique311 | thanks goodness for backup... | 22:55 |
| unique311 | on a good note, adobe CS3 is the shiznit | 22:56 |
| unique311 | senseless plug | 22:56 |
| unique311 | keesj, what about you... | 22:58 |
| keesj | tiered by my new job I must admit you are talking to a realy zombie | 22:58 |
| keesj | I am very happy to have been a small part of the maemo thingy. And it surely helped me get my current job | 22:59 |
| keesj | but I have not done a lot of programming , I sitll would like to learn more about arm and perhaps use that to optimize sdl | 23:00 |
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| keesj | greetings | 23:01 |
| Pupnik | keesj are you on the developers mailing list? | 23:02 |
| Pupnik | http://pupnik.de/ScalersExult.png | 23:02 |
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| Pupnik | if the 770 has 190MB/s memory bandwidth, pushing 800x480 at 30fps would consume only 12% of that | 23:03 |
| kpel | keesj: sdl as in the language or the library? | 23:03 |
| Pupnik | i'd like to see something like ssvb's mplayer direct framebuffer access working in sdl | 23:03 |
| Pupnik | "It creates x11 window just | 23:05 |
| Pupnik | to reserve some screen space and prevent other applications from using | 23:05 |
| Pupnik | it. After that, it renders data directly to framebuffer and uses x11 for | 23:05 |
| Pupnik | input. | 23:05 |
| Pupnik | ^^ Ssvb | 23:05 |
| unique311 | i like | 23:05 |
| Pupnik | so why not implement a HWSURFACE in sdl | 23:05 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa8nHKPZ5k | 23:05 |
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| Pupnik | what's that, unique311 | 23:07 |
| unique311 | what you know about math | 23:07 |
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| kakos | Does anyone here own a N800? | 23:13 |
| kpel | kakos: not me. are you greek by the way? | 23:14 |
| kakos | kpel: Only in spirit. | 23:14 |
| kpel | kakos: your nick is a greek word, that's why i'm asking | 23:15 |
| kakos | kpel: Yup, as was intended. :) | 23:15 |
| kpel | oh ok then :) | 23:15 |
| kakos | kpel: I've studied quite a bit of Ancient Greek in college. So, while I am not Greek, I am very much a Helenophile. | 23:16 |
| kpel | kaatis: that's good to hear :) | 23:17 |
| * Pupnik likes Thucydides | 23:19 | |
| Pupnik | http://journals.aol.co.uk/bobandkate/AnAnalysisofLife/entries/2006/06/25/the-mytilenian-debate-part-1/1191 | 23:19 |
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| Pupnik | and the mytilenian debate is as relevant today as it ever was... | 23:19 |
| Pupnik | perhaps not to maemo though :) | 23:20 |
| kpel | isn't it strange that history repeats itself yet humans never learn? | 23:20 |
| kpel | "philosophy night" | 23:20 |
| Tak|work | kpel: I'd say one causes the other | 23:25 |
| Tak|work | yeah, it would be nice if we could get a magical hwsurface that has accelerated scaling | 23:27 |
| Tak|work | (yes, I've been following the ml) | 23:27 |
| Pupnik | ok. the scaling is a seperate issue from the HWSURFACE | 23:28 |
| Pupnik | but in theory the same dsp that does the Xsp could also do a scaled surface in SDL | 23:28 |
| Tak|work | yeah - hence "magical" | 23:28 |
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| Tak|work | imo xrandr is the best solution proposed so far | 23:29 |
| Pupnik | Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinugishable from magic | 23:29 |
| Pupnik | - A.C. Clarke | 23:29 |
| kpel | reminds me of the tax system | 23:30 |
| Pupnik | ok but will there be an xrandr-capable Xomap server for the 770 then? | 23:30 |
| Tak|work | and as far as getting stuck in different resolutions - bind a hardware key (e.g. "fullscreen") to restore the resolution when pressed with desktop focused | 23:30 |
| Pupnik | or have it bound to the window. if the app crashes, the window is destroyed and Xomap goes back to 800x480 | 23:31 |
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| Pupnik | it's not a magic bullet though, as a lot of time is spent in games with compositing, and if they do that in 32bit RGBA, that is expensive | 23:34 |
| Pupnik | there must be fast keycolor compositing that uses RGB565 in which the LSB of the green acts as a transparent flag | 23:34 |
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| Tak|work | sure, but compositing is a completely different issue | 23:37 |
| Pupnik | sorry yes, but some of my games are spending a lot of time on it | 23:37 |
| Tak|work | and basically none of these solutions will be backported to 770 with the possible exception of 2007HE | 23:37 |
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| Tak|work | I agree that dsp-enabled compositing (or similar) would be great | 23:38 |
| Tak|work | or hw-accelerated in some manner | 23:38 |
| Pupnik | yeah pardon i was mentally wandering | 23:38 |
| Pupnik | the games are wasting a lot of time by loading as 32bit rgba and doing general purpose alpha blending | 23:39 |
| Pupnik | then converting that to 16 bit and then blitting the result via sdl | 23:39 |
| Pupnik | there's a lot of unnecessary stuff there, as long as you don't need real alpha blending, you could convert the graphics to the 770's RGB565 format on loading | 23:39 |
| Pupnik | then implement your own LSB-green bit transparency compositing (which could be fast) | 23:40 |
| Pupnik | and do away with the conversions | 23:40 |
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