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| tigert | its fun :) | 00:21 |
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| ajturner | it is, | 00:24 |
| * ajturner has a bt module for his roomba | 00:25 | |
| ajturner | though it doesn't work :p | 00:25 |
| BogBrother | http://www.sensics.com/technology/breakthrough.php <-- high resolution Virtual Reality Head Mounted Display | 00:26 |
| BogBrother | up to 4200x2400 pixels per eye at 180 degrees field of vision | 00:26 |
| * BogBrother does the spazzy kermit-the-frog arm motion thing | 00:27 | |
| ajturner | BogBrother - can you buy it now? | 00:27 |
| ajturner | hah! "Feel free to tell us how much do you expect to pay" | 00:28 |
| BogBrother | :) was just going to paste that | 00:28 |
| BogBrother | lesser systems are in the $30,000 - $100,000 range right now | 00:29 |
| * ajturner had an HMD in 1994 for $400 | 00:29 | |
| ajturner | 'twas sweet - played Quake with it | 00:29 |
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| BogBrother | cool | 00:29 |
| ajturner | http://www.mindflux.com.au/products/iis/vfx1.html | 00:29 |
| ajturner | sadly they don't make them, and requires an internal ISA card to run | 00:30 |
| ajturner | and a patch cable from your vid card | 00:30 |
| ajturner | but was incredible for the price | 00:30 |
| BogBrother | i remember the vfx1... | 00:30 |
| BogBrother | sad that it's 2007 now and we still have no decent HMDs | 00:30 |
| ajturner | well, I know that's the absurd part | 00:31 |
| ajturner | it had a puck too | 00:31 |
| ajturner | so much for hte future ;) | 00:31 |
| ajturner | actually VRML/X3D are finally showing up for real in real applications | 00:31 |
| ajturner | think if you had the VFX-1 w/ SecondLife :) | 00:31 |
| BogBrother | my killer app would be WWII flight sims where you need lots of situational awareness | 00:31 |
| BogBrother | how did the vfx do head tracking? | 00:32 |
| ajturner | what kind of fighting flight sim *don't* you need situational awareness! but yeah, def | 00:32 |
| ajturner | accelerometers & magnetometer | 00:32 |
| ajturner | so no external devices | 00:32 |
| BogBrother | wow. how was accuracy? | 00:32 |
| ajturner | only orientation - not position (though you could if you had decent accels & algorithms) | 00:32 |
| BogBrother | only orientation would matter for me. but i've tried VR goggles and main gripes were 1) lag, 2) resolution and 3) field of view | 00:33 |
| ajturner | pretty good accuracy - good enough to play quake - though you can't begin to turn your head as fast as someone can move a mouse on high-sensitivity | 00:33 |
| ajturner | but you could aim precise for long-distance firing | 00:34 |
| ajturner | unfortunately, that was before I knew how to program, so I never built an app for it - was one of the reasons I actually learned how to program | 00:34 |
| BogBrother | heh i was too poor. but i made a stereoscopic viewer, with those jewelers goggles and some cardboard | 00:35 |
| BogBrother | then i drew two windows on the monitor, for viewing 3d stereoscopic image pairs | 00:35 |
| ajturner | they made a follow up to the vfx1 that was vga I think & usb | 00:35 |
| ajturner | ah - nice | 00:36 |
| BogBrother | yeah i've been looking around to catch up on the market | 00:36 |
| |tbb| | maddler u there? | 00:36 |
| ajturner | I'm curious about those laptop displays that do stereoscopic with just the 2d display and no goggles | 00:36 |
| glass | two planes of pixels that show up to certain direction | 00:37 |
| ajturner | how centered does you head have to be? | 00:37 |
| glass | there was some 3d display like that on some stand at 3gsm@barca | 00:37 |
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| glass | pretty centered | 00:38 |
| |tbb| | when i try to run maddlers vpn.sh script i get an error /bin/sh: vpn.sh not found, any idea whats wrong? | 00:38 |
| BogBrother | permissions perhaps | 00:40 |
| BogBrother | try passing it to sh with "sh vpn.sh" ? | 00:40 |
| |tbb| | ah k, thats it | 00:41 |
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| |tbb| | where do i find gawk package for bora | 01:24 |
| pekkis | Is that new Gaim only for n800 ? | 01:25 |
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| wacky_ | any Canola developer around ? | 03:40 |
| pekkis | I do ot think so - not uch traffic for sevr | 03:42 |
| pekkis | several hours | 03:43 |
| wacky_ | heh, your keyboard is stuck ?! :P | 03:44 |
| pekkis | n770 + remote desktop+ osk to my desktop pc | 03:47 |
| wacky_ | heh :P | 03:47 |
| pekkis | should not try to type too fast | 03:48 |
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| Tak | have I lost my mind, or is there no builtin backup util on n800? | 04:39 |
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| wacky_ | it has changed place | 04:49 |
| wacky_ | look in the menu... | 04:49 |
| Tak | it's not there | 04:50 |
| Tak | it's supposed to be in Tools , right? | 04:50 |
| Tak | I tried running osso-backup and osso-backup.launch from xterm too | 04:50 |
| febb | hi | 04:58 |
| febb | anyone has been able to run remote X applications on the 770/N800. I am using Xter+ssh to open remote X apps and have problems with keyboard input. | 04:58 |
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| febb | It just doesn't work., i.e. I can't even open the virtual keybd on the N800. | 04:59 |
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| dragorn | Tak: It's definitely there, somewhere in control panel I think | 05:12 |
| dragorn | febb: I'd guess, and this is a WAG, that the osso x libs have hooks to bring up the vkb in text fields, and your remote x libs don't | 05:12 |
| Tak | in my case, it's definitely *not* there | 05:16 |
| Tak | it shows up in Tools after I flashed | 05:16 |
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| Tak | SHIT - n800 reboot loop | 05:38 |
| Tak | r&d mode isn't helping :-( | 05:39 |
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| febb | dragorn: Thanks for answering. I have the "off the shelf" x libs that come with the N800's operating system, I have the latest firmware tough. Does that means that I have to install something else to get the vkbd ? | 05:55 |
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| pancake | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 08:14 |
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| robtaylor | jumpula: yeah, built that myself from darcs. Are there offical snapshots availiable? | 10:52 |
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| konttori | New release of UK MP: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1179/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview16.deb | 14:02 |
| konttori | New features include shuffle, much better support for people with odd file systems, Albums with various artists are now listed with album name instead of the albums first songs artist name (although sort still uses the artist name, will be fixed soon enough). | 14:02 |
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| konttori | sp3000: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1179/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview16.deb | 14:12 |
| konttori | Still installer installs nastily, but otherwise much improved version. If you had trouble with the previous one, please test this one out. | 14:13 |
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| Sonej^ | not the best fps on the nes emulator, is it the hardware? | 14:44 |
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| konttori | Sonej: what emulator? | 15:10 |
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| BogBroth1r | ther is only fceu | 15:29 |
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| Sonej^ | oh, the nes one | 15:47 |
| BogBroth1r | Sonej^: 770 or 800? | 15:53 |
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| Sonej^ | 800 | 15:56 |
| Sonej^ | using rdesktop now :P | 15:57 |
| BogBrother | interesting | 15:58 |
| BogBrother | can you start fceu without 2x scaling and without sound? | 15:58 |
| BogBrother | i'd be curious to see how the n800 can get full framerate without sound and scaling | 15:58 |
| BogBrother | s/how/if | 15:59 |
| BogBrother | iirc, the NES has some FM synthesis audio chips and they are very expensive to emulate | 15:59 |
| BogBrother | also due to design limitations in the TI OMAP2, the N800 needs to use an external framebuffer, so screen draws aren't very fast. Drawing a 2x scaled screen might be a significant bottleneck | 16:00 |
| BogBrother | so i'm mostly curious to see if the n800 can run the fceu core at full speed without those two loads | 16:01 |
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| Sonej^ | i will test it without the sound ans scaling | 16:11 |
| konttori | Yeah, dropping sound emulation should help quite a bit. | 16:11 |
| konttori | Also, if you look at the mplayer, it's obvious that you can render full screen pretty well | 16:12 |
| konttori | I think the only bottleneck may be either the sound emulation or in the c++ / c code | 16:13 |
| konttori | I'd wager it's both. | 16:13 |
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| Sonej^ | yepp much smoother without the sound and scaling | 16:13 |
| konttori | NES emulation runs on S60 devices full speed with sound emulation on lesser processors, so there should be plenty left for the scaling | 16:14 |
| sxpert | yay, supermario :D | 16:15 |
| konttori | Although, I would concentrate on picodrive or on some snes emulator myself. | 16:15 |
| konttori | They have much more interesting games available than nes does. | 16:15 |
| jumpula | robtaylor: not yet | 16:15 |
| sxpert | konttori, "real life", "girlfriend" ? | 16:16 |
| jumpula | but when i have something (tested), i'll make it available | 16:16 |
| konttori | and picodrive has a arm assembler optimization layer already. | 16:16 |
| konttori | sxpert: I hear you. And know the feeling | 16:16 |
| sxpert | konttori, huhu | 16:16 |
| konttori | Ok, even nes emu would be pretty cool. ... to start with... ;) | 16:17 |
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| czr | question about the flasher. the download index has flasher-3.0-static (and others) as well as flasher.dapper. is the latter 3.0 or 2.0? | 16:27 |
| czr | hmh. the dapper version doesn't print out any version strings, and the 3.0-static prints out 'flasher v0.9.0 (Jan 19 2007)' | 16:29 |
| czr | highly logical :-) | 16:29 |
| konttori | at least it states the jan 19 2007. | 16:29 |
| * czr nods | 16:30 | |
| czr | I'll go with the static then | 16:31 |
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| czr | hmm. in 2007, the mail client doesn't support IMAP folders? | 16:55 |
| sxpert | that's for 2009, obviously :D | 16:56 |
| czr | muhaha :-) | 16:56 |
| czr | I never started using 770 back in the day because the mail client didn't support imap folders | 16:56 |
| czr | so I guess I won't be using 800 for much either :-) | 16:56 |
| * czr thinks it's a bit silly | 16:57 | |
| czr | seriously though, no imap folders or am I just stupid and can't find them? | 16:57 |
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| konttori | In preparation for the final 1.0 version, I have created a python 2.4 install file that will install python for N800 as well as 770. | 17:12 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1182/python2.4-runtime.install | 17:12 |
| konttori | It's mostly for end users benefit, but some of you might also enjoy an easy click'n' go install | 17:18 |
| konttori | hey, anyone noticed the glued screen protector on n800. You can see the 'removal' part for the protector in the top of the screen. Slightly off the middle. | 17:22 |
| konttori | At least my 'screen protector' is so scratched that it looks awful | 17:23 |
| BogBrother | konttori: i have picodrive svn downloaded... want to start a picodrive project? :) | 17:23 |
| konttori | BogBrother: I don't have linux, so can't help on any C projects. | 17:23 |
| konttori | Cant compile them on osx for maemo | 17:23 |
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| konttori | Would like to do that if I could though | 17:24 |
| BogBrother | picodrive is pretty odd, it will take a lot of work to get it running in scratchbox | 17:25 |
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| BogBrother | maybe the guy who did the zaurus port will buy a n800 and join our army :P | 17:25 |
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| konttori | Well, if you can get the core running, you could always drop all GUI and then add the GUI one functionality at a time | 17:27 |
| BogBrother | definitely agree that SNES would be the killer emu. it has the best non-action games. | 17:27 |
| konttori | I think the core should be pretty atomic. | 17:27 |
| konttori | But picodrive has optimizations that will make it rock on maemo devices | 17:28 |
| konttori | it will look stunning once you get it running. | 17:28 |
| daniels | oh man, i miss the megadrive | 17:28 |
| konttori | Only thing we'll need then is a proper dpad. ... Maybe use the wiimote through BT for that! | 17:28 |
| daniels | having proper columns on the n800 would be phat | 17:29 |
| BogBrother | konttori: for the RPGs, the existing controls will be fine | 17:29 |
| Sonej^ | What codec does the Camera application use while recording video? Cannot seem to find it. | 17:29 |
| BogBrother | providing fceu-style buttons on the right | 17:29 |
| konttori | Put n800 on stand mode, take wiimote and start playing for real | 17:29 |
| BogBrother | nice | 17:29 |
| konttori | BogBrother: true! | 17:29 |
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| czr | hmm. any idea why flasher-3.0-static would fail with 800 with the following output: NOLO version 1.1.3\nVersion of 'sw-release': <no version> ? | 18:08 |
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| czr | czr, "user stupidity error" | 18:11 |
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| BogBrother | lol | 18:12 |
| czr | (had -R instead of -F :-) | 18:13 |
| konttori | BogBrother: Have you tested compiling pico already? I guess you can properly only test it in ARM device though | 18:13 |
| konttori | Or, under the arm emulation | 18:13 |
| BogBrother | yeah konttori but i didn't look into why it didn't compile | 18:13 |
| BogBrother | Tak knows a bit more | 18:14 |
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| konttori | bogbrother. Might be because cyclone core in it is purely arm assembler, so it might not be so nice for intel compiler | 18:14 |
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| konttori | Bog: ahh.. cool. I hope Tak can then help you out in getting pico working | 18:14 |
| BogBrother | looking at netrek at the moment | 18:15 |
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| BogBrother | heh, porting solaris game to maemo == PITA | 19:15 |
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| maddler | back | 20:27 |
| bipolar | Is anyone else having a problem with apt trying to install bsdutils which fails becouse 'usr/bin/logger' is also in busybox? | 20:29 |
| maddler | bipolar: lemme try... | 20:29 |
| maddler | bipolar: yup... same error... | 20:31 |
| maddler | if you dare you could install with dpkg --force-all | 20:31 |
| bipolar | crap | 20:31 |
| bipolar | scary | 20:31 |
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| maddler | hehe... | 20:32 |
| bipolar | I've really got to clean this thing up | 20:32 |
| bipolar | I moved root to sd, which makes installing the latest update difficult | 20:32 |
| bipolar | Is there an updated kernel with HCSD support? | 20:32 |
| maddler | yup... | 20:32 |
| maddler | read it this morning on ITT | 20:32 |
| maddler | didn't tried anyway... | 20:33 |
| maddler | no HCSD cards :) | 20:33 |
| bipolar | root is on an hcsd card :P | 20:33 |
| maddler | hehe... | 20:35 |
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| bipolar | maddler: well, it's broken now :P | 20:51 |
| bipolar | maddler: trying to boot off the sd card makes it load half way, then reboot | 20:52 |
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| maddler | tried the force-all stuff? | 21:04 |
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| bipolar | maddler: right. I'm going to revert to running off of internal flash and see how it works. | 21:22 |
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| keesj | If you have previously installed maemo 3.0 in your computer you | 21:40 |
| keesj | can upgrade to maemo 3.1 just by running these three commands | 21:40 |
| keesj | inside the Scratchbox: | 21:40 |
| keesj | hmm | 21:40 |
| keesj | why use xerphir and not Xnest? | 21:45 |
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| user_ | hello maemo'ers | 21:47 |
| user_ | like the camera update lots.. | 21:48 |
| user_ | now who do i have to screw around here for a sketch, draw, and paint app....gimp anyone... | 21:49 |
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| Veggen | Nuts. My files in my X86-target in scratchbox is gone. Empty catalogs. | 21:55 |
| Veggen | strange. | 21:55 |
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| daniels | keesj: xnest is heavy and slow, and old. xephyr is new and shiny, much faster, and is guaranteed to support all the extensions. | 22:09 |
| keesj | thanks, strange I can't find it in gentoo :( | 22:16 |
| daniels | weird, it's been around for ages. bug spyderous about it, i guess. | 22:17 |
| BogBrother | what do you run to see /control your linux desktop from the nokia? | 22:17 |
| keesj | it is related to kdrive ,it looks like I have to install that | 22:17 |
| kulve | xephyr also supports 16bpp X on 24bpp desktop X | 22:24 |
| keesj | ok that is nice, | 22:24 |
| daniels | keesj: yeah, it's a part of kdrive | 22:25 |
| daniels | well, kdrive is a framework which xephyr uses | 22:25 |
| BogBrother | am compiling an old netrek client (paradise) and get error X11/Xmu/CurUtil.h: No such file or director | 22:26 |
| BogBrother | should i try to compile the Xmu stuff in scratchbox | 22:26 |
| BogBrother | or try to figure out how to get rid of the Xmu dependency? | 22:26 |
| daniels | libxmu-dev | 22:28 |
| daniels | or lixmuu-dev | 22:28 |
| daniels | should already be there, no? | 22:28 |
| daniels | (if not, install libxt-dev, and the debian libxmu package will build fine) | 22:28 |
| BogBrother | apt-cache search libxmu | 22:29 |
| BogBrother | xlibs-dev - X Window System client library development files pseudopackage | 22:29 |
| BogBrother | xlibs-dev is already the newest version | 22:29 |
| BogBrother | libxt-dev is already the newest version | 22:29 |
| daniels | okay, then you need to get libxmu from debian and build that | 22:29 |
| BogBrother | ok thanks | 22:30 |
| BogBrother | i know nobody would actually play* netrek on 770, but it should just *be there* :) | 22:33 |
| daniels | heh | 22:35 |
| daniels | you'll need to drag libxmu6 (or libxmuu1, depends) over to the device too | 22:35 |
| BogBrother | xmuu looks smaller, will try that first | 22:35 |
| daniels | if you can use xmuu, do | 22:36 |
| daniels | they both suck, but xmuu is less offensive | 22:36 |
| daniels | xmuu is koff to xmu's lapin kulta | 22:36 |
| Robot101 | haha | 22:37 |
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| pancake | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ :) | 22:51 |
| daniels | nice | 22:52 |
| pancake | thanks | 22:53 |
| BogBrother | bookmarked | 22:54 |
| pancake | i'm planning to write a GTK frontend | 22:56 |
| pancake | and enable features for backuping and so | 22:57 |
| pancake | help is welcome too | 22:57 |
| shackan | cool | 22:57 |
| shackan | pancake, could it be used to install a non-linux kernel as well ? | 22:57 |
| pancake | not yet | 22:58 |
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| pancake | we need to implement a free bootloader | 22:58 |
| pancake | xloader and secondary | 22:58 |
| shackan | yup | 22:58 |
| daniels | (and 2nd) | 22:59 |
| shackan | porting U-Boot to the n800 would be fun | 22:59 |
| pancake | btw i want to try the handhelds patch for using kexec() | 22:59 |
| pancake | to boot nonlinux ELF kernels | 22:59 |
| shackan | ohhhhhh, I want that! | 22:59 |
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| pancake | i've an n800 of a friend for a week | 23:00 |
| pancake | i will play with it too | 23:00 |
| * shackan dreams about netbooting non linux kernels via usb | 23:01 | |
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| pancake | :) | 23:01 |
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| pancake | i would like to see a completely free OS on it | 23:02 |
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| mikemorrison | does anyone here know how to get the arguments that are passed to a program via libosso when it is launched? | 23:02 |
| pancake | mikemorrison: nope noa rgs are passed | 23:03 |
| pancake | you've to use a .service file for that | 23:03 |
| pancake | and launch't via dbus-send | 23:03 |
| pancake | i've written some scripts for that on the Canoe | 23:03 |
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| pancake | look for it | 23:03 |
| mikemorrison | i have a service file. if i click on a file in the file manager, it opens my program, but how do i get the file? | 23:03 |
| pancake | open't with the text editor | 23:04 |
| pancake | shackan: join the mailing list for further development | 23:06 |
| mikemorrison | open what with a text editor? | 23:07 |
| pancake | what do you want to do? | 23:07 |
| pancake | http://news.nopcode.org/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=canoe.git/.git;a=blob;h=4a88edeec098f8c45bf3f68676c4e28a3f32b5e3;hb=89e22150d0d0167907ca3e99fbdbff3232f3ceaf;f=maemo.mime | 23:08 |
| pancake | whatch this | 23:08 |
| pancake | dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /usr/bin/osso_calculator com.nokia.osso_browser.mime_open string:%s | 23:08 |
| pancake | this is a sample example | 23:08 |
| * shackan is in | 23:08 | |
| mikemorrison | i want my program to open the file that was clicked on in the file manager. my program opens, but the file name isn't passed in the normal way (argv). | 23:08 |
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| pancake | you've to implement a dbus method for this | 23:09 |
| mikemorrison | yeah. that's what i figured... is there not a method to do this in libosso? | 23:10 |
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| pancake | no idea, sorry :/ read sources fmi :/ | 23:11 |
| mikemorrison | is the source code available for, say, the "Notes" program? | 23:16 |
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| florian | hi all | 23:45 |
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| kulve | mikemorrison: there's is a osso_set_mime_cb or something like that, but I couldn't get it working | 23:50 |
| kulve | mikemorrison: it works only if the app is already running | 23:51 |
| mikemorrison | yeah i got the source for the application installer and saw that in there. i will try it out. | 23:51 |
| kulve | just a seco | 23:51 |
| kulve | -o | 23:51 |
| kulve | mikemorrison: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/src/kilikali.c?root=kilikali&rev=88&view=markup | 23:52 |
| kulve | mikemorrison: search for "dbus_handler" | 23:52 |
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| mikemorrison | kulve: so you don't use the osso_set_mime_cb? | 23:59 |
| kulve | no | 23:59 |
| kulve | couldn't get it working | 23:59 |
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