| nelson | Extremely good. | 00:01 |
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| * Jaffa beds | 00:09 | |
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| * sp3000 chucles at the mail account setup wizard | 00:19 | |
| sp3000 | +k | 00:19 |
| sp3000 | ... >[cancel]<. all changes will be lost, do you want to /continue/? [ok] [cancel] | 00:20 |
| Tak | [Continue cancelling] [Cancel continuing] | 00:20 |
| * sp3000 wonders if he wants to cancel canceling or ...yeah, something like that :) | 00:20 | |
| lle2 | maybe it should have a "I feel lucky" button? | 00:21 |
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| timely | interesting, there are release notes | 00:24 |
| timely | there are dialogs about cancel canceling | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | sp3000: seen http://robitaille.wordpress.com/2007/02/03/should-i-cancel-or-should-i-cancel-instead/ ? | 00:25 |
| sp3000 | heh | 00:25 |
| Tak | rofl | 00:26 |
| Fatal | http://stukach.com/stuff/good_applications/ my encounters | 00:27 |
| timely | i dunno, have you seen the gui ssh dialog? it talks about accept/cancel or something and iirc has yes/no, i have a picture | 00:27 |
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| fish_ | is there a script for maemo-mapper to download maps from google for a larger area? | 00:29 |
| Pio | you can define as large an area as you want in that one dialog.. whatsitcalled | 00:30 |
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| Pio | manage maps -> area dialog | 00:31 |
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| fish_ | ah cool ;) | 00:34 |
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| sp3000 | fish_: fwiw osso_mime_open_file seems to work fine if your calling process stays up a bit longer, like, sleeping | 00:35 |
| sp3000 | I don't know enough about the machinery to say if that's user error or if the api/impl is funny somehow | 00:35 |
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| fish_ | sounds a little bit strange but okay, thanks ;) | 00:36 |
| fish_ | i'll check that later | 00:36 |
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| MDK | tko: notifiication? | 00:56 |
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| MDK | inz: silly question - how do you do page up/down in the terminal? | 01:02 |
| fish_ | awww | 01:03 |
| fish_ | maemo mapper crashed while downloading my maps :/ | 01:03 |
| [mbm] | MDK: one of the xterm packages has a toolbar that lets you map hotkeys like pgup/pgdn to toolbar buttons | 01:04 |
| fish_ | maybe there is still a script for that? than i could run it on my laptop... | 01:04 |
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| mgedmin | inz: about that xterm toolbar with keys | 01:06 |
| mgedmin | the buttons in it resize automatically | 01:06 |
| mgedmin | that doesn't work well with hildon themes, which assume a fixed button height | 01:06 |
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| mgedmin | I suggest you change osso-xterm to use fixed button height and just stack them from the top | 01:07 |
| mgedmin | probably just a matter of toggling some gtk vbox property | 01:07 |
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| MDK | hmm... hildon buttons don't asume fixed height | 01:07 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 01:07 |
| mgedmin | why does the background tile then? | 01:08 |
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| MDK | do you have a screenshot? | 01:08 |
| mgedmin | will have one shortly | 01:08 |
| MDK | coool | 01:08 |
| MDK | -o | 01:08 |
| mgedmin | actually the tiling is visible only when the button is pressed | 01:09 |
| mgedmin | e.g. ctrl | 01:09 |
| mgedmin | try that and hide the virtual kb | 01:09 |
| MDK | which theme? | 01:09 |
| mgedmin | plankton, currently | 01:09 |
| mgedmin | but I saw it with the standard themes too | 01:09 |
| MDK | hmmm | 01:10 |
| mgedmin | screenshot with plankton: http://mg.pov.lt/osso-xterm-buttons1.png | 01:11 |
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| mgedmin | screenshot with Adria: http://mg.pov.lt/osso-xterm-buttons2.png | 01:11 |
| MDK | you're right actually, toobar-buttons (but not normal buttons) rely on fixed height | 01:12 |
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| MDK | well, actually it's more complex | 01:13 |
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| MDK | but it's due to fact we didn't really think about vertical toolbars | 01:13 |
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| hap | mgedmin: what is the arrow on the top, within the statusbar? | 01:20 |
| mgedmin | overflow of statusbar icons | 01:20 |
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| hap | aho ok, statusbar doesn't resize? | 01:20 |
| mgedmin | I have bluetooth and contacts applets there | 01:20 |
| hap | i don't are about "X terminal utitled" | 01:20 |
| hap | i want more icons.. | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | and the empty space between the clock and the arrow is actually the cpu applet | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | which becomes invisible during screenshot time for some reason | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | you can hide and reorder the statusbar icons | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | best feature of os2007, imho | 01:21 |
| hap | can you ? I cant on my n800.. | 01:22 |
| mgedmin | control panel -> navigation | 01:22 |
| mgedmin | not the most obvious place for it | 01:22 |
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| hap | oh yeah | 01:25 |
| hap | i was looking for drag&drop | 01:25 |
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| hap | has someone tried to play m3u playlist on the N800? | 01:26 |
| hap | for steaming mp3 | 01:26 |
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| mgedmin | I can try | 01:28 |
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| mgedmin | and of course the first one I try is full of oggs | 01:28 |
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| mgedmin | hap: it works | 01:29 |
| mgedmin | but not very well? | 01:30 |
| mgedmin | no, all's well | 01:30 |
| mgedmin | just the usual media player stupidity | 01:31 |
| mgedmin | when it is paused and I double-click on some other song in the playlist, it resumes the old song instead of playing the one I wanted | 01:31 |
| hap | ah ok | 01:32 |
| mgedmin | how can a program find out which theme is selected? | 01:33 |
| mgedmin | actually I want the filename of the image used for the statusbar | 01:34 |
| timely | you should be able to ask sapwood :) | 01:34 |
| timely | but if you want a better answer, give me more details and i'll figure it out | 01:34 |
| mgedmin | statusbarclock is nearly invisible on dark themes, see http://mg.pov.lt/osso-xterm-buttons2.png | 01:35 |
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| mgedmin | it should figure out whether to show black or white digits somehow | 01:36 |
| mgedmin | the themes do not define a logical colour for that | 01:36 |
| mgedmin | so I'm trying for a hacky solution: sample a few pixels in the statusbar background image | 01:36 |
| hap | where can i get themes? | 01:37 |
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| mgedmin | hap: you have four in the device, you can get valentine from tableteer, and you can get plankton from tigert's blog | 01:38 |
| mgedmin | the application manager might contain moe | 01:39 |
| mgedmin | more | 01:39 |
| hap | ok plankton then :) | 01:39 |
| mgedmin | plankton is nice | 01:39 |
| hap | can i get some through apt-get straight? | 01:39 |
| mgedmin | maybe too dark in places (e.g. the triangles at the bottom of the task navigator are barely visible) | 01:39 |
| hap | isn't there a deb repo for themes? | 01:39 |
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| hap | the triangles sux anyway | 01:42 |
| hap | as said sean on his page :) | 01:42 |
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| mgedmin | I think there should be an application catalog category for themes | 01:43 |
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| mgedmin | but there isn't | 01:43 |
| hap | aah | 01:44 |
| hap | valentine theme | 01:44 |
| hap | => trash | 01:44 |
| mgedmin | horrible, isn't it? :) | 01:46 |
| hap | yeah | 01:47 |
| Magi | i installed it just to show it to my girlfriend | 01:48 |
| Magi | guys at work commented a bit about it... | 01:48 |
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| hap | hmm | 01:50 |
| hap | can do i install the rm radio ? | 01:50 |
| hap | it says home -> select applets | 01:50 |
| hap | aaah | 01:50 |
| hap | nevermind | 01:51 |
| timely | rm radio? | 01:51 |
| * timely wonders what frequency that is | 01:51 | |
| timely | am, fm, xm, ... rm :) | 01:51 |
| Magi | rumbling modulation? | 01:51 |
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| mgedmin | gaaah! :) | 01:52 |
| mgedmin | I've ssh-ed into my n800 and am waiting for sudo apt-get install gconf-editor to finish | 01:52 |
| mgedmin | and it is waiting for me to select a menu location | 01:53 |
| mgedmin | whoever invented maemo-select-menu-location ought to be punished for it | 01:53 |
| * mgedmin discovers that the current gtk theme is not in gconf | 01:55 | |
| hap | where can i find this status icon "time" applet? | 01:57 |
| Robot101 | mgedmin: its almost like they reinvented the problem that debconf was designed to solve... | 01:57 |
| mgedmin | hap: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/ | 01:58 |
| hap | thanks | 01:58 |
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| mgedmin | is there a maemo equivalent to gnome-open? | 02:01 |
| mgedmin | (to launch the application associated with a given file) | 02:01 |
| sp3000 | talk to fish_ :) | 02:03 |
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| fish_ | i have to go to bed now ;) | 02:03 |
| fish_ | mgedmin: there is a function called osso_mime_open | 02:04 |
| fish_ | gpointer osso; | 02:05 |
| fish_ | osso = osso_get_dbus_connection(osso_initialize("osso_open_app", "0.0.1", 0, NULL)); | 02:05 |
| fish_ | return(!osso_mime_open_file(osso,gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path(argv[1]))); | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | cool | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | ok so the current theme name is stored in a root window property _MB_THEME_NAME | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | and the full path to the matchbox theme in _MB_THEME | 02:06 |
| fish_ | that _should_ work but it seams it only opens the apropriate app when its called the first time. the second time opens the given file. but sp3000 told me a few minutes ago: | 02:07 |
| fish_ | 23:25 < sp3000> fish_: fwiw osso_mime_open_file seems to work fine if your calling process stays up a bit longer, like, sleeping | 02:07 |
| fish_ | 23:25 < sp3000> I don't know enough about the machinery to say if that's user error or if the api/impl is funny somehow | 02:07 |
| fish_ | i'm going to bed now, bye | 02:07 |
| * mgedmin yawns | 02:07 | |
| mgedmin | so the plan is: | 02:07 |
| mgedmin | - make statusbar-clock pay attention to the _MB_THEME root window property | 02:08 |
| mgedmin | - append 'theme.xml' to the pathname stored in _MB_THEME | 02:08 |
| mgedmin | - parse the XML file | 02:08 |
| mgedmin | - find the filename attribute of <pixmap id="applicationtopbararea" /> | 02:08 |
| mgedmin | - load that image | 02:09 |
| mgedmin | - pick a pixel right in the center | 02:09 |
| mgedmin | - if that pixel is dark, use white digits, if it is light, use black digits | 02:09 |
| mgedmin | maybe skip the xml parsing and assume the statusbar image is always "../images/qgn_plat_application_status_bar_background.png" | 02:09 |
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| Streg | Is there someone developing MSN or ICQ components for maemos telepathy-interface? | 02:15 |
| timely | s/maemos/maemo's/g | 02:16 |
| timely | does icq not work? | 02:16 |
| Robot101 | there's an MSN backend called butterfly, written in python, but it's not too well maintained and has some bugs :-/ | 02:16 |
| * timely seems to recall seeing someone w/ icq | 02:17 | |
| Robot101 | but we're working on a library to make backend development easier | 02:17 |
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| Streg | timely:well outofthebox support is only for jabber & gtalk | 02:27 |
| Streg | there's gaim, but personally I think it's the worst example of open source in the history. | 02:28 |
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| Streg | maybe I should read those maemo-telepathy howtos, download gaim MSN protocol source and do something about it.... | 02:30 |
| timeless | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-4366.html | 02:32 |
| timeless | i presume you read that? | 02:32 |
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| timeless | hi dolske | 02:34 |
| Streg | timeless:actually no [shameface] | 02:34 |
| dolske | hola! | 02:35 |
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| Streg | timeless: thanks for the tip, msn works now just fine. | 02:49 |
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| timeless | the tip should be "use google" btw.. | 02:51 |
| timeless | i've never used any of this stuff | 02:52 |
| timeless | (except google) | 02:52 |
| Streg | well normally i'd use google, but since someone ported gaim, i thought.... :) | 02:53 |
| Streg | I mean why would someone use time and effort to make a piece of crappy software even worse (gaim on maemo) if there was the desired functionality available :) | 02:55 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 04:47 | |
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| disq | mmm hey everybody | 05:34 |
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| disq | i'm reading about gtkhtml it's genius | 05:36 |
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| inz | mgedmin, sorry I prefer functionality over looks in this case | 07:02 |
| inz | oops, he's no online | 07:03 |
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| * timeless tries to setup sbox2 | 07:13 | |
| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ sbox2? | 07:14 |
| lle2 | yes | 07:18 |
| timeless | so, sbox2 is built around syscall() ? | 07:24 |
| lle2 | well, no | 07:25 |
| lle2 | it's built by wrapping glibc functions | 07:25 |
| lle2 | like fakechroot | 07:25 |
| timeless | maybe i should rephase | 07:25 |
| timeless | if i don't have |syscall|, sbox2 won't work? | 07:25 |
| lle2 | probably it won't work | 07:26 |
| lle2 | where would you want to use it that you wouldn't have syscall? | 07:26 |
| timeless | nexenta | 07:27 |
| * timeless can't believe sbox2 *requires* autoconf 2.59 | 07:28 | |
| * timeless only has 2.57 | 07:28 | |
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| lle2 | I think you're going to find it tough getting it to work without glibc | 07:29 |
| timeless | i'm not sure i don't have glibc | 07:29 |
| lle2 | I've been thinking of getting rid of the direct syscall()s in there | 07:30 |
| lle2 | they are not entirely necessary anymore | 07:30 |
| timeless | oh, heh, you're the person i want to talk to | 07:31 |
| timeless | can you change the autoconf req from 2.59 to 2.57? | 07:31 |
| lle2 | probably | 07:31 |
| timeless | i changed it locally and it seemed fine | 07:31 |
| lle2 | it only tests the existence of the functions | 07:31 |
| timeless | Linux centos 2.4.21 BrandZ fake linux i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux | 07:31 |
| lle2 | and some other really minor stuff | 07:31 |
| timeless | it'd be nicer of course if i could use autoconf2.1x ;-) | 07:31 |
| timeless | but i have 2.57 here | 07:32 |
| timeless | anyway, i did autogen.sh(after fixing), configure, and make | 07:32 |
| timeless | hrm | 07:33 |
| lle2 | yeah, should be fine if configure went through | 07:33 |
| * timeless wonders what's supposed to build preload/libsb2.so | 07:33 | |
| lle2 | it didn't build? | 07:33 |
| timeless | maybe not | 07:33 |
| lle2 | what version of make do you have? | 07:33 |
| timeless | i don't have lua :) | 07:33 |
| timeless | GNU Make version 3.79.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath. | 07:33 |
| timeless | and nothing really complained about a lack of lua :) | 07:34 |
| lle2 | too old! :} | 07:34 |
| * timeless goes to check configure | 07:34 | |
| lle2 | 3.81 is needed | 07:34 |
| lle2 | you're obsolete | 07:34 |
| timeless | of course i'm obsolete :) | 07:34 |
| * timeless doubts 3.81 is available readily | 07:34 | |
| lle2 | the recursive structure of my fancy build system probably totally fails on your make | 07:35 |
| * timeless sighs | 07:36 | |
| timeless | make3.79 was good enough for gecko for many years | 07:36 |
| lle2 | lua is included in the sb2 sources so you don't need to have it on your box | 07:38 |
| timeless | ok | 07:38 |
| * timeless grabs wget | 07:38 | |
| timeless | btw, your git instructions didn't work for me | 07:39 |
| timeless | i had to do a git checkout after the clone | 07:39 |
| lle2 | they didn't? | 07:39 |
| timeless | otherwise i had an essentially empty directory | 07:39 |
| lle2 | hmm | 07:39 |
| lle2 | which version of git you have? :) | 07:39 |
| timeless | (all the data was in the .git, but it didn't have any real visible data) | 07:39 |
| timeless | "how do i ask?" | 07:39 |
| lle2 | git --version? | 07:40 |
| timeless | Git command '--version' not found. Try one of | 07:40 |
| lle2 | hah | 07:40 |
| * timeless loves git | 07:40 | |
| timeless | it's unlikely to be the newest | 07:41 |
| lle2 | you must have some ancient relic | 07:41 |
| lle2 | my git supports --version | 07:41 |
| lle2 | and it's 1.4.4.4 | 07:41 |
| timeless | i suppose i could try asking git to get me another version of git from one of the repos we have | 07:41 |
| timeless | but um ... getting git to work was moderately painful | 07:41 |
| * timeless goes back to make | 07:41 | |
| lle2 | this will be interesting if you get it to build, I've not tested sb2 on anything older than glibc-2.3.6 | 07:42 |
| timeless | i was hoping that your system would let me avoid having to deal w/ syscall and friends | 07:42 |
| timeless | but first, lemme see about getting it to work w/ centos | 07:43 |
| lle2 | it might be possible to implement it using FUSE | 07:43 |
| timeless | i won't have fuse for a few months | 07:43 |
| lle2 | but I'm not entirely sure it would be very nice | 07:43 |
| timeless | why would you want to use fuse? | 07:43 |
| timeless | http://swift/ | 07:43 |
| timeless | my machine has plenty of processing power/disk space | 07:44 |
| timeless | and ram | 07:44 |
| lle2 | fuse or some other user space filesystem | 07:44 |
| * timeless doesn't understand | 07:44 | |
| timeless | why would you want that? | 07:44 |
| lle2 | SB2 is all about mapping paths, you could do that by faking the entire filesystem | 07:44 |
| timeless | so that all writes/reads are mapped to fuse | 07:44 |
| timeless | instead of a nromal thing? | 07:44 |
| lle2 | yeah | 07:44 |
| * timeless shrugs | 07:44 | |
| timeless | i have lots of file systems | 07:44 |
| timeless | but yeah, fuse would probably be a way to go | 07:45 |
| timeless | i've already sent bug reports to the people working on that | 07:45 |
| lle2 | wrapping glibc was easier for me, I'm kinda used to doing that | 07:45 |
| timeless | ok, make3.81 is giving more output | 07:46 |
| lle2 | I hope it failed? | 07:46 |
| timeless | utils/sb_gcc_wrapper.cc:134: warning: missing initializer for member `Name::var | 07:46 |
| timeless | of course :) | 07:46 |
| timeless | utils/sb_gcc_wrapper.cc:374: `execv' undeclared (first use this function) | 07:46 |
| timeless | i'm not actually sure why it failed, i'm guessing that's why | 07:47 |
| lle2 | can you paste all of it somewhere? | 07:47 |
| timeless | sure | 07:47 |
| timeless | can you reach swift? | 07:47 |
| lle2 | not at the moment | 07:48 |
| timeless | ok | 07:48 |
| timeless | pastebin it'll be | 07:48 |
| timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/sbox.err1 | 07:50 |
| lle2 | damn c++ | 07:50 |
| timeless | want utils/sb_gcc_wrapper.i ? | 07:51 |
| lle2 | :) | 07:52 |
| lle2 | dunno what you should do now | 07:52 |
| timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/sb_gcc_wrapper.i | 07:53 |
| timeless | presumably i get to search for execv in headers and figure out why you didn't get it | 07:53 |
| timeless | don't worry, i like trouble(shooting) | 07:53 |
| timeless | man claims <unistd.h> | 07:53 |
| timeless | which you don't include | 07:54 |
| lle2 | yeah, that's not my code though :) | 07:54 |
| timeless | um... | 07:54 |
| lle2 | inherited from sb1 | 07:54 |
| timeless | well, um... | 07:54 |
| timeless | i can ping timo savola too i'm sure | 07:54 |
| lle2 | does including that help any? probably not.. | 07:55 |
| timeless | different file fails | 07:55 |
| timeless | so shall we say 'yes'? :) | 07:55 |
| lle2 | heh | 07:56 |
| timeless | make install worked | 07:56 |
| * timeless wonders what to do next | 07:56 | |
| lle2 | README helps | 07:57 |
| timeless | yeah, that's open in another tab | 07:57 |
| timeless | or was, it's a few pages back in history from grabbing gmake :) | 07:57 |
| timeless | (at this point you _really_ should go through that file and make sure | 07:57 |
| timeless | it applies to your host system and intended target toolchain). | 07:57 |
| timeless | hrm, can i skip that step? :) | 07:58 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ ../scratchbox/bin/sb2 | 07:58 |
| timeless | Running scratchbox with these settings: | 07:58 |
| timeless | SBOX_LIBSB2 = //lib/libsb2.so | 07:58 |
| timeless | somethinig tells me that's not what i wanted | 07:58 |
| lle2 | no | 07:58 |
| lle2 | it's not | 07:58 |
| timeless | could you add an expected results section? | 07:58 |
| timeless | it'd help a lot | 07:59 |
| lle2 | hold on... | 07:59 |
| timeless | SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/home/lleukkun/scratchbox/bin/qemu-arm | 07:59 |
| timeless | that's definitely not going to work :) | 07:59 |
| timeless | i suppose now's a good time for me to try to get qemu | 07:59 |
| lle2 | so you skipped the important step | 07:59 |
| * timeless ponders | 07:59 | |
| timeless | yum install qemu or build it myself? | 08:00 |
| lle2 | no idea | 08:00 |
| lle2 | there's one static one available on rahina.org | 08:00 |
| lle2 | that could work, maybe | 08:00 |
| timeless | what version? | 08:00 |
| lle2 | 0.8.1-sb2 | 08:00 |
| timeless | Available package: qemu.i386 0:0.9.0-1.el3.rf from rpmforge matches with | 08:00 |
| lle2 | it's really good | 08:00 |
| timeless | well, yum offered me 0.9 | 08:01 |
| timeless | so i could get it | 08:01 |
| lle2 | I'd bet that 0.8.1-sb2 is better | 08:01 |
| timeless | pl | 08:01 |
| timeless | ok | 08:01 |
| lle2 | it's like magic | 08:01 |
| lle2 | no idea why the proper qemu releases have never worked for me | 08:01 |
| timeless | well it runs | 08:02 |
| timeless | (yours) | 08:02 |
| lle2 | ok, then it's golden :) | 08:02 |
| lle2 | SBOX_LIBSB2 = /home/lleukkun/scratchbox/lib/libsb2.so | 08:03 |
| lle2 | that's the important one | 08:03 |
| lle2 | so something really failed in the sb2 script | 08:03 |
| timeless | i don't see that line in the sample file | 08:03 |
| lle2 | no, that's the expected output you asked | 08:03 |
| * timeless nods | 08:03 | |
| lle2 | I bet the first line of the script didn't work | 08:03 |
| timeless | 'the script'? | 08:04 |
| * timeless ponders | 08:04 | |
| lle2 | scratchbox/bin/sb2 | 08:04 |
| * timeless isn't sure how to get this arm2006q3 compiler stuff | 08:04 | |
| timeless | oh | 08:05 |
| timeless | now that i have qemu, i think it might be different? | 08:05 |
| timeless | yeah | 08:05 |
| lle2 | what? | 08:05 |
| timeless | hrm, no | 08:06 |
| timeless | ok, that's strange | 08:06 |
| timeless | using sh -x, i see: | 08:06 |
| timeless | /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: /home/timeless/lib/libsb2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 08:06 |
| * timeless doesn't have a lib directory | 08:06 | |
| * timeless has a scratchbox/lib/libsb2.so | 08:07 | |
| * timeless goes off in search of whatever lost 'scratchbox/' | 08:07 | |
| lle2 | something funny is happening on the first actual line in sb2 | 08:07 |
| timeless | + SBOX_LIBSB2=/home/timeless/lib/libsb2.so | 08:07 |
| timeless | + export SBOX_DIR=/home/timeless | 08:07 |
| lle2 | yes, that one | 08:08 |
| timeless | +++ dirname sh | 08:08 |
| timeless | ++ readlink -f ./.. | 08:08 |
| timeless | + export SBOX_DIR=/home/timeless | 08:08 |
| timeless | sorry | 08:08 |
| * timeless should have just pasted the first 6 lines from the beggining :| | 08:08 | |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ ls -l ../scratchbox/bin/sb2 | 08:08 |
| timeless | -rwxr-xr-x 1 timeless webservd 2805 Feb 15 00:55 ../scratchbox/bin/sb2 | 08:08 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ pwd | 08:08 |
| timeless | /home/timeless/buildroot | 08:08 |
| lle2 | do you have readlink? | 08:09 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ which readlink | 08:09 |
| timeless | /usr/bin/readlink | 08:09 |
| lle2 | hmph | 08:09 |
| timeless | what does readlink do? | 08:09 |
| lle2 | anyway, you can "fix" that by changing the first line to export SBOX_DIR=/home/timeless/scratchbox | 08:10 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ dirname ../scratchbox/bin/sb2 | 08:10 |
| timeless | ../scratchbox/bin | 08:10 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ readlink -f ../scratchbox/bin | 08:10 |
| timeless | /home/timeless/scratchbox/bin | 08:10 |
| timeless | hrm | 08:11 |
| lle2 | something's eating "scratchbox" from there | 08:11 |
| timeless | wait | 08:11 |
| timeless | can you do sh -x ../scratchbox/bin/sb2 | 08:11 |
| timeless | i think i know what it i | 08:11 |
| timeless | it might be a bug, or it might be a design choice... i'll have to write a small testcase | 08:12 |
| lle2 | ahem | 08:12 |
| lle2 | bash | 08:12 |
| * lle2 is an idiot | 08:12 | |
| lle2 | you /bin/sh is not pointing to bash | 08:12 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ ls -l /bin/sh | 08:12 |
| timeless | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jan 29 17:26 /bin/sh -> bash | 08:12 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ bash --version | 08:13 |
| timeless | bash --version | 08:13 |
| timeless | GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) | 08:13 |
| timeless | Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. | 08:13 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos buildroot]$ sh --version | 08:13 |
| timeless | sh --version | 08:13 |
| timeless | GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) | 08:13 |
| timeless | Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. | 08:13 |
| lle2 | I've 3.2.9 | 08:13 |
| timeless | oh, well ... | 08:13 |
| lle2 | but there's no need for that script not to work on older ones | 08:13 |
| timeless | +++ dirname bash | 08:14 |
| timeless | oh | 08:14 |
| lle2 | so if you can figure out a way to get /home/timeless/scratchbox injected into SBOX_DIR variable, I can use that | 08:14 |
| timeless | DOH | 08:14 |
| timeless | i can't use sh -x | 08:14 |
| timeless | that's the problem | 08:14 |
| * timeless grumbles | 08:14 | |
| timeless | hold | 08:14 |
| timeless | hrm, no | 08:14 |
| timeless | +++ dirname /bin/sh | 08:14 |
| * timeless returns to suspecting FakeLinux | 08:15 | |
| timeless | hrm | 08:15 |
| timeless | it's definitely saying dirname /bin/bash instead of the script name | 08:16 |
| timeless | ie $_ isn't behaving correctly | 08:16 |
| lle2 | yup | 08:16 |
| timeless | _ At shell startup, set to the absolute file name of the shell or | 08:17 |
| timeless | shell script being executed as passed in the argument list. | 08:17 |
| timeless | hrm, wait | 08:17 |
| timeless | maybe it is your fault :) | 08:17 |
| timeless | nope | 08:18 |
| timeless | even if the first line is SCRIPT_NAME=$_ | 08:18 |
| timeless | it still says the wrong thing | 08:18 |
| timeless | ok, temporarily ignoring that | 08:19 |
| timeless | Running scratchbox with these settings: | 08:19 |
| timeless | SBOX_LIBSB2 = /home/timeless/scratchbox/lib/libsb2.so | 08:19 |
| timeless | SBOX_REDIR_SCRIPTS = /home/timeless/scratchbox/share/scratchbox2/redir_scripts | 08:19 |
| timeless | SBOX_GCCWRAPPER = /home/timeless/scratchbox/bin/sb_gcc_wrapper | 08:19 |
| timeless | REDIR_LD_SO = | 08:19 |
| timeless | REDIR_LD_LIBRARY_PATH = | 08:19 |
| timeless | SBOX_TARGET_ROOT = /home/timeless/buildroot | 08:20 |
| timeless | Unable to acquire cache lock: Bad file descriptor | 08:20 |
| timeless | Unable to acquire cache lock: Bad file descriptor | 08:20 |
| timeless | [SB2] timeless@centos ~/buildroot $ | 08:20 |
| * suihkulokki hands over a pastebin to timeless | 08:20 | |
| lle2 | hmm | 08:20 |
| timeless | how important are the cache locks? | 08:20 |
| timeless | suihkulokki: the channel is absolutely dead | 08:20 |
| lle2 | do you now have /home/timeless/buildroot.sb2cache :) | 08:20 |
| timeless | it's not even 9am | 08:20 |
| timeless | yes | 08:21 |
| lle2 | never too early nitpick | 08:21 |
| timeless | it's empty, but it exists | 08:21 |
| lle2 | right | 08:21 |
| lle2 | hmm | 08:21 |
| timeless | suihkulokki: there's like 1 finn in the office | 08:21 |
| lle2 | ok, if you now do some stuff in there? | 08:22 |
| lle2 | like, host-gcc? | 08:22 |
| lle2 | what happens? | 08:22 |
| timeless | [SB2] timeless@centos ~/buildroot $ host-gcc | 08:22 |
| timeless | Unable to acquire cache lock: Bad file descriptor | 08:22 |
| timeless | gcc: no input files | 08:22 |
| lle2 | cool, so it kinda works | 08:22 |
| timeless | so, two questions: 1. how critical is that cache lock | 08:23 |
| lle2 | you could try starting it with ../scratchbix/bin/sb2 --verbose | 08:23 |
| timeless | doesn't seem to change anything | 08:23 |
| lle2 | that disables the cache and produces shitloads of debug output to buildroot/sb2_mapping.log | 08:23 |
| timeless | hrm, doesn't seem to | 08:23 |
| lle2 | oh | 08:23 |
| timeless | well, not sure about the log | 08:23 |
| timeless | but it's still complaining about the cache | 08:23 |
| lle2 | ok | 08:24 |
| timeless | [00_default.lua][.*|DUMMY]: | 08:24 |
| timeless | open64(/dev/tty) -> (/dev/tty) | 08:24 |
| timeless | [00_default.lua][.*|host-gcc]: | 08:24 |
| timeless | fopen(/home/timeless/buildroot/sb2.config) -> (/home/timeless/buildroot/sb2.co | 08:24 |
| timeless | nfig) | 08:24 |
| timeless | EOF | 08:24 |
| lle2 | the locks are important | 08:24 |
| lle2 | the cache will corrupt without them | 08:24 |
| timeless | ok, so i should chase the lock | 08:24 |
| timeless | is that compiled or scripted? | 08:24 |
| lle2 | compiled | 08:24 |
| * timeless needs to know which tools to use to chase the problem :) | 08:25 | |
| lle2 | it's in sbox2/mapping/mapping.c | 08:25 |
| timeless | i don't suppose ./configure --disable-optimzie --enable-debug --disable-strip works? | 08:25 |
| timeless | (ignoring typos for optimize) | 08:25 |
| lle2 | it doesn't strip | 08:25 |
| lle2 | and debug is there I think | 08:25 |
| timeless | i'm paranoid at this point | 08:25 |
| timeless | debians and nokians seem to love stripping | 08:26 |
| lle2 | and configure doesn't work that way with my build system :) | 08:26 |
| timeless | it's like they have nothing better to do than make their code undebugable | 08:26 |
| timeless | ok | 08:26 |
| lle2 | you set that kinda things in sbox2/.config file, which is included | 08:26 |
| lle2 | I cannot write proper autotools stuff, so I write my own build system. logical. | 08:27 |
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| timeless | hrm, you trap %Z | 08:27 |
| timeless | is there a convenient way for me to get the pid ? | 08:27 |
| timeless | ^Z even | 08:28 |
| lle2 | mm... could you echo $SBOX_MAPPING_CACHE inside sb2? | 08:28 |
| tigert | morning | 08:29 |
| lle2 | morning | 08:29 |
| timeless | [SB2] timeless@centos ~/buildroot $ echo $SBOX_MAPPING_CACHE | 08:29 |
| timeless | /home/timeless/buildroot.sb2cache | 08:29 |
| timeless | so, i'm confused | 08:30 |
| lle2 | me too | 08:30 |
| timeless | is sb2 basically an ldpreload of bash? | 08:30 |
| timeless | i.e. if i need to do anything, do i debug that bash? | 08:30 |
| lle2 | it's LD_PRELOAD of everything | 08:30 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos timeless]$ TERM=vt100 pstree -G -a -p 24147 | 08:30 |
| timeless | bash,24147 | 08:30 |
| timeless | ..bash,4764 | 08:30 |
| lle2 | yes | 08:30 |
| timeless | 24147 is the bash that ran sb2 | 08:31 |
| lle2 | yup | 08:31 |
| * timeless coughs | 08:31 | |
| timeless | centos has gdb6.3 | 08:31 |
| * timeless goes to drop in 6.6 | 08:31 | |
| lle2 | the problem happens around line 280 in mapping.c | 08:32 |
| timeless | ok, one problem at a time | 08:32 |
| lle2 | could be your flock() implementation behaves differently | 08:33 |
| timeless | that's quite likkely | 08:33 |
| * timeless tries to remember if flock is not supported | 08:34 | |
| tigert | why are you using some weirdass distro? | 08:34 |
| tigert | ;) | 08:34 |
| timeless | it's more fun | 08:34 |
| timeless | and a lot safer | 08:34 |
| timeless | if you mean centos, it's because it's one of very few that i can install | 08:35 |
| lle2 | I'll have to start heading towards office, got an sb2 demo to give ;P | 08:35 |
| timeless | but the flock stuff wouldn't be centos | 08:35 |
| timeless | lle2: where? | 08:35 |
| * timeless will gladly show up | 08:35 | |
| timeless | laptop in tow | 08:35 |
| * tigert thinks ubuntu is just fine for him | 08:36 | |
| lle2 | uhh, I think it'll be in C5xx, Mika Leppinen's office | 08:36 |
| timeless | i have a map | 08:36 |
| tigert | whats cool in sb2? | 08:36 |
| timeless | although knowing his group would be help | 08:36 |
| timeless | tigert: it might be easier for me to avoid chroot() | 08:36 |
| timeless | which is absolutely not available :) | 08:36 |
| tigert | timeless, yeah - that could be a slight problem ;) | 08:37 |
| lle2 | tigert: stripped sb2 takes less than a megabyte, total | 08:37 |
| tigert | ah | 08:37 |
| lle2 | probably around 300-400kB | 08:37 |
| lle2 | and you can use your host distro's tools | 08:37 |
| lle2 | actually those are the only tools you have | 08:38 |
| lle2 | there's also no chroot | 08:38 |
| tigert | run it in the 770 to build apps for the N800? ;) | 08:38 |
| lle2 | it can use whatever toolchain, unmodified | 08:38 |
| tigert | so it is some env var thing instead to hack compiler flags? | 08:39 |
| lle2 | nope | 08:39 |
| lle2 | it's wrapping your glibc file path handling | 08:39 |
| tigert | does it have rootstraps? | 08:39 |
| lle2 | kind of a virtual selective chroot | 08:39 |
| timeless | darn | 08:39 |
| timeless | i don't have a room number for him | 08:40 |
| timeless | i'm guessing C | 08:40 |
| timeless | oh you said that | 08:40 |
| timeless | ok, well, i can scout around | 08:40 |
| timeless | presumably window office by title | 08:40 |
| lle2 | timeless: don't worry, I'll give plenty of demos in the future, this one's pretty fully booked already as it is :) | 08:40 |
| tigert | see the intraweb | 08:40 |
| tigert | phonebook has the number likely | 08:41 |
| timeless | last time i tried that thing, it was absolutely useless | 08:41 |
| timeless | it's useless | 08:41 |
| timeless | VERIFIED USELESS | 08:41 |
| lle2 | tigert: sb2 maps the paths based on the executable name, function that was called and path | 08:41 |
| timeless | it only knows floor and wing | 08:41 |
| tigert | well, that characterizes a lot of the tools we have... | 08:42 |
| timeless | tigert: well, i can update my map if someone gives me the answer | 08:42 |
| lle2 | tigert: so it's essentially a perfect way to not have any idea what's happening | 08:42 |
| tigert | lle2, so it is a shell basically that intercepts everything? | 08:42 |
| lle2 | yeah | 08:42 |
| timeless | not shell really, but yeah | 08:42 |
| lle2 | with a scriptable mapping engine | 08:43 |
| timeless | since it taints all apps | 08:43 |
| tigert | hm. could run sshd and irssi in one :) | 08:43 |
| lle2 | the cache is really important | 08:43 |
| timeless | um | 08:43 |
| timeless | i can run sshd to centos if someone wants to come and play | 08:44 |
| lle2 | otherwise builds take 3-4x longer than in sb1 | 08:44 |
| lle2 | with caching, the penalty is only around 30% at the moment | 08:44 |
| lle2 | I hope to improve that still | 08:45 |
| lle2 | but now to the office -> | 08:45 |
| tigert | yah | 08:45 |
| * timeless pokes gdb | 08:46 | |
| timeless | can i use any random arm cross compiler? or do i need a specific code-sourcery 3.4? | 08:46 |
| lle2 | any random will do | 08:47 |
| timeless | scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4-glibc2.3-1.0.2-i386.tar.gz | 08:47 |
| timeless | i suppose | 08:47 |
| lle2 | ah | 08:47 |
| lle2 | there's a catch | 08:47 |
| lle2 | sbox toolchains won't probably work | 08:48 |
| lle2 | or may not work | 08:48 |
| timeless | lol | 08:48 |
| timeless | ok | 08:48 |
| * timeless crosses that off and goes to find another | 08:48 | |
| lle2 | they are linked against sbox's glibc | 08:48 |
| * timeless nods | 08:48 | |
| lle2 | which may or may not mean anything | 08:48 |
| lle2 | but at least on my system it means that libsb2.so is linked against glibc-2.5 and the toolchain against /scratchbox/yaddayadda | 08:49 |
| lle2 | end result being that libsb2.so can't find symbols | 08:49 |
| * timeless nods | 08:49 | |
| timeless | we had problems using flash on a system | 08:49 |
| timeless | it was looking for an older version of libssl or something | 08:49 |
| timeless | easily resolved w/ stupid symlinks | 08:50 |
| timeless | but sucky | 08:50 |
| * timeless ponders | 08:51 | |
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| zbenjamin | morning @ all | 09:30 |
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| zbenjamin | inz, are you here? | 09:37 |
| inz | zben, aye | 09:38 |
| zbenjamin | inz, do you have time to look at the code? | 09:39 |
| inz | sure | 09:39 |
| zbenjamin | http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=74288 | 09:39 |
| zbenjamin | arg maybe i think i know what the problem is | 09:40 |
| zbenjamin | but have a look first maybe there are more problems | 09:40 |
| inz | zben, I think you're not setting the ic callback anywhere | 09:41 |
| inz | zben, otherwise it looks pretty much correct | 09:41 |
| zbenjamin | yes thats what i have seen too. | 09:42 |
| zbenjamin | I'll try | 09:42 |
| inz | gl | 09:43 |
| zbenjamin | strange that i did not see it two days ago | 09:43 |
| zbenjamin | thanks inz | 09:43 |
| inz | zben, sometimes you need to look away to see what's wrong ;) | 09:44 |
| zbenjamin | seems | 09:44 |
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| zbenjamin | inz, i use this command line to compile the sourcefile : gcc -g main.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs libosso` `pkg-config --libs --cflags osso-ic` -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE does this seem okay for you? | 09:49 |
| zbenjamin | i have to use this define -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE to get it compiling. Do you know about it? | 09:50 |
| inz | zben, you don't need libosso | 09:50 |
| koen | -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE ? | 09:51 |
| koen | that has been deprecated a long time ago | 09:51 |
| koen | unless you use deprecated dbus releases | 09:51 |
| zbenjamin | i use the dbus in the maemo2.2 gregale sdk | 09:52 |
| inz | Which is 0.6x, and needs the define | 09:52 |
| inz | And it's there because the API was not final and they want devs to acknowledge that | 09:52 |
| inz | Sardine uses 1.0.0, where the define is no longer needed | 09:54 |
| inz | Or 1.0.2 | 09:54 |
| zbenjamin | sardine is for the nokia N800 | 09:55 |
| zbenjamin | ? | 09:55 |
| zbenjamin | inz, i don't need libosso but i need glib | 09:55 |
| inz | zbenjamin, indeed, so replace libosso with glib-2.0 | 09:56 |
| inz | zbenjamin, and you can combine the two if you want | 09:56 |
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| zbenjamin | `pkg-config --libs --cflags osso-ic glib-2.0` ? | 10:00 |
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| Guardian | morning maemo | 10:02 |
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| inz | morn | 10:05 |
| zbenjamin | morning | 10:05 |
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| timeless | afaik sardine is like unstable, and will change to something else eventually, and again after that | 10:12 |
| zbenjamin | yes but does sardine run on the N770 too ? or just on the N800 | 10:14 |
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| timeless | um, sardine isn't really designed to run on the device | 10:17 |
| timeless | you can, but you're not likely to be very happy | 10:17 |
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| disq | anybody know gtkhtml's editable support? would it be easy if i wanted to use it as a text/rtf editor? kinda pointless to actually implement formatting (and formatted data storage) in gtktextview if gtkhtml is sufficient | 10:26 |
| disq | know about, i meant :) | 10:26 |
| tigert | disq: was it you who did maemopad+? | 10:29 |
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| nomeata | Hi. Is there a way to send something like Alt-n to the xterm (to control gaim-text via ssh)? | 10:30 |
| tigert | nomeata: maemo-hackers.org xterm supports keyboard shortcuts toolbar | 10:31 |
| tigert | that you can customize with gconf | 10:31 |
| nomeata | and it can send alt-sequences? | 10:31 |
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| disq | tigert: yeah :) | 10:35 |
| disq | btw, i didn't have time to look at hildon-theme-tools yet (yet alone making a zero-gutter theme mod) | 10:38 |
| tigert | disq: the pressure stuff is neat | 10:38 |
| tigert | disq: hey | 10:38 |
| tigert | disq: http://people.via.ecp.fr/~jobi/gddraw/gddraw_0.1-1_armel.deb | 10:38 |
| tigert | try that | 10:38 |
| tigert | disq: http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/hacks/index.html | 10:39 |
| tigert | has the code | 10:39 |
| nomeata | it seems it cant do Alt keys :-( | 10:39 |
| tigert | its amazing on a stylus | 10:39 |
| tigert | it would rock to have that implemented | 10:39 |
| tigert | nomeata: use irssi :) | 10:39 |
| tigert | nomeata: no wait | 10:39 |
| disq | wow that's sounds neat | 10:39 |
| jacques | does N800 ts hardware support pressure? | 10:39 |
| tigert | nomeata: does ctrl-n wokr? | 10:39 |
| tigert | jacques: very limitedly, but yes | 10:40 |
| jacques | like 8bit? | 10:40 |
| nomeata | tigert: control-keys work, but gaim-text requires alt | 10:40 |
| tigert | the signal is kinda bad and they have to filter it a lot, but it does a few levels | 10:40 |
| tigert | nomeata: ask inz | 10:40 |
| nomeata | strange. bash accepts Esc-d instead of alt-d | 10:40 |
| tigert | he maintains the xterm port | 10:40 |
| jacques | oh, like 4bit? ;-) | 10:40 |
| nomeata | maybe I have to change the timing of alt-sequences in gaim-text | 10:40 |
| tigert | jacques: more like "4 levels" :) | 10:40 |
| nomeata | anyway, got to go. thx | 10:40 |
| jacques | tigert, oh :-D | 10:41 |
| tigert | jacques: install maemopad+ or horizon | 10:41 |
| tigert | it does a bit | 10:41 |
| jacques | no caligraphy drawing programs for us then heh | 10:41 |
| tigert | jacques: try gddraw | 10:41 |
| tigert | it is just a simple hack | 10:41 |
| tigert | but having the algorithm on maemopad for example | 10:42 |
| tigert | would rokc | 10:42 |
| tigert | it rules | 10:42 |
| disq | jacques: it's actually more than 4 levels but it's not sensitive enough nevertheless. | 10:42 |
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| tigert | disq: did you try gddraw? | 10:51 |
| disq | yeah. playing with the parameters | 10:52 |
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| disq | though i couldn't make it behave like i wanted yet | 10:52 |
| disq | maybe my handwriting is just awful | 10:52 |
| disq | and also it's too slow | 10:53 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | Hmm am reading this right? Did my N800 restart 15 times due to dsp problems? | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 15 * | 10:56 |
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| disq | i think that's the time the dsp_dld app has been killed/restarted before the last watchdog reboot. but not sure | 10:57 |
| kulve | it seems that the dsp is the reason for most resets.. | 10:58 |
| suihkulokki | X-Fade: are you reading resets or restarts file? | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | It seems that the * indicates that the watchdog decided that the process was really beyond help and it needed to be rebooted.. | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | suihkulokki: that is restarts. | 10:59 |
| suihkulokki | X-Fade: resets = device restarted, restarts = daemon respawned | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 3 | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | That is _reset | 10:59 |
| suihkulokki | so dsp_dld daemon has been restarted 15 times, and device has been rebooted 3 times | 11:00 |
| suihkulokki | which is in line of the fact that after 5 failed respawns of daemon dsme resets the device =) | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | Mostly while sitting idle. Not playing anything on the dsp.. | 11:01 |
| X-Fade | I'm thinking it might be related to 'low battery' sounds. | 11:01 |
| X-Fade | That is the only thing that gets played when idle on my desk... | 11:01 |
| kulve | I think people have reported same kind of behaviour with non-empty battery too | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | Well, maybe related to IM? That plays sounds too when idle? | 11:04 |
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| kulve | I think does make some sound (maybe even if it should be silent), since there often seems to be esd restarting error before the dsp stuff.. | 11:08 |
| tigert | disq: yea., the width scaling is too aggressive for this | 11:09 |
| tigert | disq: as the DPI is insane, it thinks you are swinging your mouse with a full arms length | 11:09 |
| tigert | disq: but it has to be a bit slow | 11:09 |
| tigert | to work | 11:10 |
| tigert | you just need to draw a bit slower | 11:10 |
| tigert | its a tradeoff | 11:10 |
| tigert | but if we tune the params, maybe it works better | 11:10 |
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| disq | yeah it calculates the time you stay at one point and approximates the width accordingly | 11:14 |
| tigert | yeap | 11:16 |
| tigert | it should just scale the width a bit less | 11:16 |
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| zbenjamin | what is a really bad signal strength for the nokia wlan if? | 11:19 |
| zbenjamin | when can i say there is not really a connection? | 11:19 |
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| tigert | when your intterweb is not walking towards you? | 11:27 |
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| MDK | 1/w 41 | 11:32 |
| zeenix | hi guys | 11:32 |
| zeenix | tko: read zuh's mail to the list? | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:35 |
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| zbenjamin | morning jaffa | 11:48 |
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| X-Fade | zeenix: They are al lurking. Just say something like 'OMG I found PowerVR drivers and now I have accelerated opengl support!' and see how much reactions you will get ;) | 11:49 |
| florian_ | good morning | 11:50 |
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| lardman | zeenix: Who's zuh (email name)? | 11:53 |
| lardman | ah, just read it in the email of interest rs vfp | 11:53 |
| lardman | s/rs/re | 11:53 |
| zuh | Yes :) | 11:54 |
| lardman | It is interesting indeed :) | 11:54 |
| lardman | Libm is ~650k in size, I wonder if a short term answer to speeing up user apps is to statically link against a vfp version of that | 11:55 |
| lardman | Though I think there was an email saying that there was no speed improvement... | 11:56 |
| * lardman checks maemo archive | 11:56 | |
| zuh | That was mine too ;) | 11:56 |
| lardman | ah right | 11:56 |
| plaes | woo.. full Maemo SDK installation on Gentoo done :) | 11:56 |
| lardman | that's interesting, I'd expect some speed up | 11:56 |
| lardman | zuh: That was with whetstone? | 11:56 |
| zuh | Yes | 11:56 |
| disq | powervr eh :P | 11:58 |
| lardman | if only ;) | 11:59 |
| zuh | lardman: was there a foolproof way to detect VFP binaries? IIRC there was some talk about it here a while ago.. | 11:59 |
| lardman | No, I asked but there was no answer | 11:59 |
| lardman | The only way I could work it out was to run one on my 770 and watch for the failure | 12:00 |
| zuh | I guess with libm it wouldn't be that hot of an idea ;) | 12:00 |
| lardman | true :) | 12:00 |
| zuh | Though, you could always just set some LD_LIBRARY_PATH I guess | 12:00 |
| lardman | I'm wondering if some configure magic has stopped the vfp/float stuff being used in libm | 12:01 |
| disq | make a /lib-optimized and prepend it to ld_library_path? | 12:02 |
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| lardman | going back to powervr, who usually does the development for the driver? Would it be Nokia, or Ti or Imagination Technologies? | 12:10 |
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| lardman | I know the technical details are closed, but the chip manufacturer (Ti) would need to know them, at least in part, wouldn't they? | 12:12 |
| koen | lardman: I suspect it takes something like nokia threatening to discontinue the omap platform to get it opened | 12:14 |
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| suihkulokki | imagenations business model is to give SoC vendors the hardware IP for free and bill the system builders who need 3d features for powervr firmware/driver | 12:18 |
| lardman | koen: I'm not sure it'll ever be opened, but even up-to-date binary modules would be great | 12:18 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: Do you happen to know how punitive the billing is? | 12:19 |
| koen | lardman: or open shim + blob | 12:19 |
| suihkulokki | lardman: nope. | 12:19 |
| kulve | ls -l /media/mmc1/core-dumps/ | grep -c umount | 12:19 |
| kulve | 60 | 12:19 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: At least we now know they have a linux 2.6 driver.. | 12:28 |
| kulve | and they are discussing about this with nokia | 12:31 |
| lardman | koen: Open shim + blob - that's what nVidia do I guess with their self compiling module? That would be ideal (barring them releasing the technical details ;) ) | 12:32 |
| lardman | kulve: we know they are discussing with Nokia? | 12:32 |
| kulve | lardman: I asked that from IT | 12:33 |
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| kulve | the reply sounded that we shouldn't really hold the breath waiting.. | 12:33 |
| lardman | oh, shame :( | 12:35 |
| disq | according to wikipedia nokia also uses omap2420 on 4 phones (on the E and N series) btw | 12:36 |
| lardman | Yep, but I'm not sure whether the powervr is used on them | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | Well, you could make a wrapper for the peppepad kernel driver :) But I'm not sure how legal that is.. | 12:36 |
| lardman | there was talk about trying to get Quake 3 working on them, but not sure on the profress | 12:36 |
| lardman | progress even | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Apparently the N-Gage2 will use the same cpu.. | 12:37 |
| lardman | X-Fade: iirc, the pepperpad uses the cut-down lite version of mbx | 12:37 |
| disq | so would that mean it won't be used in those platforms too? i don't think adding one device to the list would increase the cost that much, given the sales figures (a few hundred thousand phones on the new series and a few thousand n800, probably?) | 12:37 |
| jacques | I was very surprised to see the report of no speed inprovement on those benches with a VFP libm | 12:38 |
| lardman | Things may be different for Symbian as there are Symbian drivers (and probably fewer versions of Symbian cf Linux kernel versions). That's only a guess though | 12:38 |
| lardman | I imagine there's also more demand for the Symbian drivers | 12:38 |
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| jacques | one way to make sure is to use objdump and look for the VFP instructions :-) | 12:38 |
| lardman | jacques: Just need to whip up a script to do it ;) | 12:39 |
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| * zuh notes that please please someone double-check the libm test | 12:40 | |
| disq | i've been up all night, gotta get a few hours of sleep. cya :) | 12:45 |
| jacques | later disq | 12:46 |
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| maddler | nice... just found a nice security bug in my Nokia E61 :D | 13:17 |
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| mikasa | Is there tool/util to take a screenshot from N800, and where I could find it ? Humble thanks. | 13:37 |
| kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/17/maemo-screen-grabber/ | 13:37 |
| kulve | wrapper for osso-screenshot-tool | 13:37 |
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| mikasa | kulve: Shall test it immediatelly :) | 13:38 |
| kulve | go ahead :) | 13:39 |
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| mikasa | kulve: Excellent, works like a dream. Kiitos softan tekijälle. | 13:43 |
| kulve | thx | 13:44 |
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| * timeless slowly grows things | 13:49 | |
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| zuh | timeless: Just don't go around showing your "things" to people... | 13:51 |
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| timeless | zuh: well, the point is to show things to people | 13:53 |
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| Magi | Q: Does the openssh support X forwarding? | 14:06 |
| koen | A: yes | 14:06 |
| timeless | of course | 14:06 |
| Magi | Ok. I suppose I need root privs to enable it from /etc/.../ssh.conf? | 14:07 |
| timeless | no? | 14:07 |
| Robot101 | the server needs to enable it | 14:07 |
| Magi | The server has it enabled. Ok, maybe in ~/.ssh/config... I'll try that first. | 14:08 |
| Robot101 | Magi: you are doing ssh -X, right? | 14:09 |
| Magi | No I wasn't... But, setting it in config worked. | 14:13 |
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| Magi | But, the X programs don't show up in the taskbar, so if I minimize it, I can't maximize it again. :-( | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | you need a .desktop file with the correct window class in it | 14:21 |
| kkito | someone with a n800 wants to test the quake2 ? | 14:22 |
| mgedmin | mmm... I should be working | 14:22 |
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| Magi | mgedmin: thanks, I'll examine that. | 14:23 |
| mgedmin | check the tutorial for all the specifics | 14:23 |
| kkito | nobody? | 14:24 |
| mgedmin | I really really should be working... | 14:25 |
| mgedmin | must... resist... the... temptation | 14:25 |
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| kulve | don't we all | 14:25 |
| * timeless frowns | 14:26 | |
| lardman | kkito: Go on then | 14:26 |
| timeless | how should i distinguish between git and svn? | 14:26 |
| timeless | is mixing the two in a single place a bad idea? | 14:26 |
| robtaylor | timeless: yes | 14:27 |
| robtaylor | timeless: why would you want to do that? | 14:27 |
| timeless | well, so far i've named things based on the server they came from | 14:27 |
| timeless | but someone decided to use one server for both | 14:27 |
| robtaylor | ? | 14:27 |
| lardman | kkito: Do you have an url/instructions? | 14:27 |
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| timeless | robtaylor: there's no useful explanation | 14:28 |
| robtaylor | timeless: on, its fint o have a server serving git and svn, if thats what you mean | 14:28 |
| timeless | i know it's fine to have a server that serves both | 14:28 |
| robtaylor | timeless: but dont svn checkout on top of a git tree ,or vice versa | 14:28 |
| timeless | the question is, if you have a server that provides a cross reference of various resources | 14:28 |
| robtaylor | that'd be madness | 14:28 |
| timeless | should i distinguish between the two resources by sticking them in distinct directories | 14:29 |
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| timeless | or should i just mix them and deal with the confusion of having them intermixed | 14:29 |
| robtaylor | timeless: i think i need more context to make sense of what you're asking | 14:29 |
| * timeless ponders | 14:29 | |
| timeless | imagine you chose to cross reference kde, gnome, ubuntu, redhat, mozilla, debian, fsf, and a couple of others | 14:30 |
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| timeless | svn and git specifically have a tendency to be multiple repositories that come from a single server | 14:30 |
| timeless | imagine that mozilla.org chose to have a server "sources" i.e. sources.mozilla.org | 14:30 |
| timeless | which provided both svn (svn://sources.mozilla.org/bugzilla, svn://sources.mozilla.org/reporter) | 14:31 |
| timeless | and git (git://sources.mozilla.org/tamarin, git://sources.mozilla.org/nss) | 14:31 |
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| timeless | so far, i've merely assigned a top level directory by server name | 14:32 |
| timeless | and pulled each "repository" as a child of the server that served it | 14:32 |
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| timeless | sources/bugzilla, sources/reporter | 14:32 |
| timeless | sources/tamarin, sources/nss | 14:32 |
| timeless | but now when you visit sources, you see both svn and git repositories in a single list | 14:33 |
| timeless | to make matters slightly worse | 14:34 |
| timeless | it seems that svn://sources/nspr and git://sources/nspr both exist :) | 14:34 |
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| robtaylor | timeless: i think you're on your own here... | 14:39 |
| timeless | i'll live :) | 14:39 |
| kkito | if someone wants to test quake2 on the n800... 83.56.186.155:8002 you can grab the package there..... | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | Can it be run without the original package? | 14:43 |
| kkito | Jaffa, the quake2? | 14:44 |
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| dolfun | there are free level .paks, iirc | 14:47 |
| dolfun | q2 engine was open sourced ages ago | 14:47 |
| inz | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/samba/ | 14:47 |
| dolfun | Jaffa, so the answer is yes | 14:48 |
| dolfun | kkito, is there a 770 version? | 14:48 |
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| kkito | dolfun, no sorry :( | 14:49 |
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| timeless | wow, that's a new one | 14:53 |
| timeless | someone spelled Trunk (svn) w/ a capital T | 14:53 |
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| sp3000 | heh | 14:58 |
| sp3000 | joy :) | 14:58 |
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| timeless | and of course, they also have a corrupt svn repo! | 15:01 |
| timeless | it seems corrupt svn repos are a dime a dozen | 15:01 |
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| mgedmin | berkeley db errors? | 15:03 |
| timeless | no | 15:03 |
| timeless | svn: Unsupported special file type '#!' | 15:03 |
| timeless | i believe it's "we used an old version of svn to replace a symlink w/ a file, and svn corrupted itself" | 15:03 |
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| mgedmin | svn likes corruption | 15:05 |
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| mgedmin | once it created a cycle its revision data structures, in the repository I used for backing up my home dir | 15:05 |
| * timeless chuckles | 15:05 | |
| timeless | might i suggest you use zfs? | 15:05 |
| timeless | it's a lot safer | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | result: svn allocates memory until it gets killed by the kernel | 15:05 |
| timeless | zfs snapshot root_pool/home/timeless@before-svn | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | I spent a week studying the source code and patching it to skip that cyclic object until I could get a useful dump | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | I lost one svn:ignores property only | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | and promptly converted the bdb repo to fsfs | 15:06 |
| timeless | "just don't use svn<period>" | 15:07 |
| timeless | note that i don't have a choice, i'm indexing other people's repositories | 15:07 |
| timeless | they pick the vcs | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | I dunno, other than a couple of bdb-related cockups, svn served me faithfully enough | 15:08 |
| mgedmin | bzr isn't mature yet | 15:08 |
| mgedmin | maybe I should try git | 15:08 |
| timeless | here it seems is a mix of git and svn | 15:08 |
| timeless | the only minus i know of for git is that it sucks on windows | 15:09 |
| timeless | svn and git both have features that require annoying third party libs | 15:09 |
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| timeless | (libneon, libcurl) | 15:09 |
| timeless | but if you don't care about windows, then there's probably nothing wrong w/ git | 15:10 |
| timeless | and i believe that the svn=>git importers work reasonably well | 15:10 |
| robtaylor | timeless: i thought it was better on windows nowadays? | 15:10 |
| timeless | (unlike the bzr and hg importers) | 15:10 |
| timeless | robtaylor: morg ruled git out not too many months ago because of its windows characteristics | 15:11 |
| timeless | (november?) | 15:11 |
| robtaylor | slow? | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | Hmm nice. Software image updates via AI. | 15:12 |
| mgedmin | artificial intelligence? | 15:12 |
| timeless | application installer | 15:13 |
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| zbenjamin | if i use osso_iap_cb to register a callback function do i have to unregister it at programm termination? | 15:28 |
| inz | zbenjamin, if your program is a module, then yes, otherwise it doesn't really matter | 15:32 |
| zbenjamin | its a module | 15:33 |
| zbenjamin | it's a settings dialoge | 15:33 |
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| zbenjamin | inz, do you know without reading the manual what function i have to call? | 15:34 |
| inz | zben, osso_iap_cb(NULL); | 15:35 |
| zbenjamin | inz, thats easy ;-) | 15:35 |
| * timeless tries to remember how to use svn checkout | 15:36 | |
| zbenjamin | inz, thanks again for your help | 15:36 |
| timeless | rev 436 killed the repo, which is on nearly 1000 | 15:39 |
| zbenjamin | inz, how does osso_iap_cb know what callback to remove? | 15:39 |
| inz | zben, it only supports one | 15:42 |
| inz | zben, if you call osso_iap_cb from multiple points in the same process, they will override each other | 15:43 |
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| zbenjamin | okay on callback per process or per thread? | 15:43 |
| zbenjamin | one | 15:44 |
| inz | zben, process | 15:44 |
| inz | zben, I guess this is one of the fallbacks in osso-ic that motivated creation of libconic (in bora) | 15:44 |
| inz | s/fallbacks/pitfalls/ | 15:45 |
| zbenjamin | inz, if use it from a module it will override other handles from other modules? | 15:45 |
| zbenjamin | f.e. i use it in a settings plugin | 15:45 |
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| zbenjamin | better example in a statusbar plugin | 15:46 |
| zbenjamin | there can be multiple statusbar items at the same time and they are running in the same process? | 15:46 |
| zbenjamin | or dies every statusbar plugin get its own? | 15:47 |
| zbenjamin | does | 15:47 |
| inz | zbenjamin, only one statusbar plugin can have a iap_cb registered | 15:48 |
| zbenjamin | so if i would call it from a second one it would kill the others callback | 15:48 |
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| zbenjamin | is the libconic opensource ? | 15:49 |
| inz | zben, yes | 15:49 |
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| zbenjamin | inz, how much closed source is on the N800? | 15:52 |
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| inz | zben, just about the same as 770, I'd guess | 15:52 |
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| inz | zben, the new alarm daemon (alarmd) is open, unlike the osso-alarm on 770 | 15:53 |
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| makuchaku | Hi all, I was trying to upgrade my maemo (on Fedora) to Sardine (http://maemo.org/maemowiki/SardineGettingStarted) when during apt-get dist-upgrade, I started getting following error - "/scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory" | 16:01 |
| inz | maku, it shouldn't matter | 16:01 |
| makuchaku | I tried installing dpkg from sources (stage.repository.maemo.org) but still, nothing doing... | 16:02 |
| makuchaku | inz: oh, how come? | 16:02 |
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| inz | maku, it should be just a notice | 16:03 |
| inz | maku, so that you know that dpkg-preconfigure is not used | 16:03 |
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| makuchaku | inz: ah... then the error must be coming from --- Setting up docbook-dsssl (1.79-3) ... | 16:05 |
| makuchaku | cannot open catalog /etc/sgml/docbook-dsssl.cat for writing: No such file or directory at /scratchbox/devkits/doctools/bin/update-catalog line 208. | 16:05 |
| makuchaku | dpkg: error processing docbook-dsssl (--configure): | 16:05 |
| inz | That's less fun | 16:05 |
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| makuchaku | inz: any pointers on how can I get past that? | 16:06 |
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| inz | maku, nope, I didn't run into that, when I upgraded from bora to sardine(-experimental) | 16:06 |
| makuchaku | ah | 16:08 |
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| makuchaku | inz: seems like "cannot remove backup copy /scratchbox/devkits/doctools/etc/sgml/catalog.old: Permission denied at /scratchbox/devkits/doctools/bin/update-catalog line 202." is the line to ponder upon... | 16:09 |
| timeless | hello world | 16:09 |
| timeless | hrm, wrong world | 16:10 |
| inz | Segmentation fault (code dumped) | 16:10 |
| timeless | Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your cores | 16:10 |
| timeless | if you make cores available to me, i'll find someone to consume them | 16:10 |
| inz | All our cores are belong to you? | 16:11 |
| makuchaku | inz: :) I once had a t-shirt with this slogan - "All your bases are belong to Tux!" | 16:12 |
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| * Jaffa catches up with 195 threads with unread on ITT. Blimey, being ill sucks. | 16:51 | |
| makuchaku | inz: solved it - had to do a chmod in the needed directory :) | 16:51 |
| VRe | Jaffe: reading 195 threads sucks | 16:51 |
| tzz | Jaffa: makes you wish web boards supported NNTP, doesn't it... | 16:52 |
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| osfameron | they have a low barrier to entry | 16:53 |
| Jaffa | tzz: indeed | 16:55 |
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| kkito | hey it is normal that if i have the battery completly charged, and if i connect the n800 to the electric network, the n800 is always saying that it is charging? | 17:04 |
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| kkito | and sometimes i have the popup saying that the battery is completly charged, but after some minuts the battery icon says that it is charging | 17:05 |
| kkito | is it normal? | 17:05 |
| pyhimys | how do you send crtl-c with onscreen keyboard? | 17:08 |
| pyhimys | or ctrl anything | 17:08 |
| Veggen | you don't. | 17:08 |
| kkito | pyhimys, are you using xterm? | 17:09 |
| pokute_ | pyhimys: the xterm had a ctrl- modifier in the menu | 17:09 |
| Veggen | well, with a newer xterm. | 17:09 |
| pyhimys | kkito: yep | 17:09 |
| osfameron | you definitely want the newer xterm | 17:09 |
| pyhimys | pokute_: oh, that did it, thanks :) | 17:09 |
| osfameron | the old one had bugs with inputting spaces... | 17:09 |
| Tak | kkito: I get that too | 17:11 |
| Tak | I have no idea if it's normal | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | did the thumb keyboard work (well) with any version of xterm? | 17:12 |
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| mgedmin | I find its handling of <enter> somewhat surprising | 17:12 |
| kkito | Tak, but battery has a limit of charges... if always is trying to charge... we can say goodbay to the battery in few months | 17:12 |
| Streg | does anyone know if rsync download is still available somewhere? it has been removed from http://www.bleb.org/software/770/ | 17:12 |
| Tak | kkito: I would guess that it's not *really* charging | 17:13 |
| Tak | my 770 does that too, and I haven't noticed any difference in battery life yet | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | Streg: someone else reported it to OS 2006, so my old OS 2005 port was useless. Look at the application catalogue. | 17:13 |
| Tak | mgedmin: how so? | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't close the thumb keyboard | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | instead it adds an enter in the top-left text area and lets me write more text | 17:14 |
| Tak | yeah, afaicr it's always been like that | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | which gets sent to osso-xterm only when I press the "close the keyboard pls" key | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | it works differently in single-line gtk input fields | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | maybe there's some property that could be set | 17:15 |
| Tak | I kind of like it - it's like otf scripting | 17:15 |
| Streg | Jaffa: it just links to http://rsync.samba.org/ , wich is a dead end for maemo .debs... is it still available on some mistral repos? | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | Streg: http://mg.pov.lt/770/rsync.install | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | works on my 770 | 17:16 |
| Streg | mgedmin:thanks. | 17:16 |
| jtra | pyhimys: my xterm modification has ctrl and other keys, but it is not yet working ... http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/tmp/xterm-translucent2.png | 17:18 |
| pokute_ | jtra: Why won't you just code a new input method. :-) | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | that would be cool | 17:19 |
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| pyhimys | jtra: nice oldschool-look on the console :) | 17:20 |
| pyhimys | reminds me of the vaxterminals | 17:21 |
| jtra | this is inside of libvte which xterm uses | 17:21 |
| fish_ | is it possible to reset the wlan driver? i can't connect to a wlan after using kismet. that quiet normal, i have the same issue on my laptop but on that i remove my pcmcia card and reinsert it which works fine... | 17:22 |
| fish_ | but i cant do that with my maemo ;) | 17:22 |
| fish_ | s/maemo/n770/ | 17:22 |
| plaes | fish_: you probably have set it back to managed mode | 17:23 |
| fish_ | i guess its not that easy but i'll try | 17:23 |
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| fish_ | ah | 17:24 |
| fish_ | cool =) | 17:24 |
| fish_ | well, i didnt think it would be that easy | 17:24 |
| fish_ | plaes: thanks | 17:24 |
| shackan | what's the preferred way to listen to the mp3s on my laptop via the n800 ? | 17:29 |
| fish_ | i used mpd + icecast | 17:30 |
| kkito | shackan, an upnp server for your laptop | 17:30 |
| fish_ | on the laptop | 17:30 |
| shackan | kkito, ok, looking for one, any suggestions ? | 17:31 |
| kkito | shackan, i use twonky server and it runs ok for me | 17:32 |
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| mgedmin | shackan: gnump3d also works well | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | web server + streaming mp3s over http | 17:33 |
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| maddler | coffee time! | 17:34 |
| maddler | I'm using Ampache which has a nice web interface... | 17:35 |
| zbenjamin | im out ca tomorrow | 17:36 |
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| daveaitel | I'm playing "how many threads can you start in the N770's python" | 17:47 |
| daveaitel | it's a fun game | 17:47 |
| epx | :) | 17:48 |
| ajturner | daveaitel - what's your highscore? | 17:49 |
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| fish_ | http://mt.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.29&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d <- that seams not to work anymore.. has someone a new url? | 18:18 |
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| Juhaz | w2.39 | 18:20 |
| part | fish_: where are the seams in an url? | 18:21 |
| fish_ | Juhaz: that doesnt work either.. | 18:22 |
| nomis | v=w2.999 | 18:22 |
| fish_ | nomis: doesnt work... | 18:24 |
| nomis | huh? | 18:25 |
| * nomis doublechecks | 18:25 | |
| mgedmin | http://mt0.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.39&x=3&y=5&zoom=13 is what I get in a real web browser | 18:25 |
| * fish_ tripplechecks | 18:25 | |
| timeless | note that 2.29!=2.39 | 18:26 |
| nomis | http://mt.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.999&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d | 18:27 |
| fish_ | timeless: i tried 2.29, 2.39 and 2.999 | 18:27 |
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| nomis | works in my maemo mapper. | 18:27 |
| fish_ | arr | 18:28 |
| fish_ | crap ;) | 18:28 |
| fish_ | disc full | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | hehehe | 18:29 |
| ajturner | fish_ get yourself a 2GB card :) | 18:29 |
| fish_ | ajturner: yes, i will | 18:30 |
| ajturner | definitely useful - I used it for 3 weeks in NZ | 18:30 |
| fish_ | but they are very expensiv in the locale stores here so i have to order it online and than i'll have to wait... | 18:30 |
| ajturner | ah, yeah, check dealram.com | 18:30 |
| fish_ | i'll buy it at reichelt.de ;) | 18:31 |
| tzz | 2GB SD cards are $15 here in the Boston MA Microcenter... hell of a deal if anyone is in the area. | 18:32 |
| timeless | nice | 18:32 |
| ajturner | yeah, you can get 1GB MicroSD for <$20 | 18:32 |
| fish_ | well, i need a rs-mmc... | 18:32 |
| fish_ | but they are at 24 euro for a 2gb card | 18:33 |
| tzz | ah sorry fish, I thought SD | 18:33 |
| timeless | http://www.google.com/search?q=%2824+eur+-+15+usd%29+%2F+15+usd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a | 18:33 |
| fish_ | afaik the n770 is rs-mmc only | 18:34 |
| timeless | 770s need rs-mmc, n800s take too many formats | 18:34 |
| fish_ | yep | 18:34 |
| ajturner | 'too many' :) | 18:35 |
| ajturner | yeah, that was somehting nokia definitely rocked out on in the N800 - memory cards | 18:35 |
| timeless | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=2gb+rs-mmc&btnG=Search+Froogle&lmode=online&price1=&price2=30.00&cat=1854&lnk=catsugg | 18:35 |
| timeless | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=2gb+rs-mmc+-reader&btnG=Search | 18:36 |
| timeless | looks like 26 USD from CD-R Media.co.uk is the best price | 18:36 |
| tzz | ajturner: not yet, they have to give us SDHC :) | 18:36 |
| ajturner | tzz - true, but I don't yet have need for that much memory | 18:39 |
| Magi | I just bought a 2GB SD card for 16 euros | 18:40 |
| Magi | Mini SDs are about 22e. | 18:41 |
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| timeless | minisd doesn't help 770 owners :( | 18:41 |
| matt_c | I wish the external memory card slot were a little nicer to get cards out of, but I shall not complain too loudly | 18:41 |
| matt_c | RSMMC's have been getting pretty rediculously cheap in the US | 18:42 |
| ajturner | matt_c, it's nice, the door can be a little tough to swivel | 18:42 |
| maddler | matt_c: I haven't found it so uncomfortable... | 18:42 |
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| Tak | matt_c: yeah - I wish it was springloaded like the 770's | 18:42 |
| matt_c | I miss the spring-loadedness of the 770 and 6680's etc | 18:42 |
| timeless | tak: you prefer having the mmc fly out of the device? :) | 18:42 |
| Tak | yes | 18:42 |
| ajturner | better to defend yourself with | 18:43 |
| Fatal | aye | 18:43 |
| Tak | because, when you have an rs-mmc inserted with the expander, and you try to pull it out, the expander has a tendency to come off | 18:43 |
| ajturner | beware, for I wield MMC-Shuriken | 18:43 |
| ajturner | Tak - ouch | 18:43 |
| timeless | someone here had there minisd expander get stuck inside | 18:43 |
| timeless | i think the rsmmc adapters are actually some of the less likely to get stuck flavors :) | 18:44 |
| ajturner | yeah, there should be some kind of warning sticker against that :) | 18:44 |
| sp3000 | maybe you could prevent things getting stuck by creative use of such a warning sticker ;) | 18:44 |
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| bipolar | I just got my n800. the first thing I installed was dropbear. | 19:01 |
| bipolar | is there any reason it should be really, really slow? | 19:01 |
| Tak | "it" being ssh, or the n800? | 19:02 |
| bipolar | ssh | 19:02 |
| bipolar | logging in is extreamly slow.... lots of lag when typing. | 19:02 |
| bipolar | trying to change the root password. I entered it twice and now it's sitting there. I don't have my prompt back yet. | 19:03 |
| ajturner | bipolar - it works for me quickly | 19:04 |
| ajturner | so not sure why it would be slow | 19:04 |
| bipolar | hmmm | 19:05 |
| bipolar | does the 800 suspend when plugged into ac? | 19:05 |
| Streg | bipolar:I recommend using Openssh, because dropbear has issues with "random seed" etc. in N800 | 19:06 |
| bipolar | ah... ok streg | 19:06 |
| maddler | Streg... ? | 19:06 |
| maddler | I've been using dropbear since the 770 times... and never had any problem... | 19:07 |
| maddler | bipolar: slowness is sometimes related to metalayer-crawler process... eating CPU cycles... | 19:07 |
| maddler | bipolar: as well as (sometimes) DHCP enabled for Wlan connections... | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | try top | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | it may be indexing your media files | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | hm, but that would affect the entire n800, not just ssh | 19:08 |
| maddler | mgedmin: yes... but if you are working over ssh you will just feel slow... | 19:08 |
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| acidborg | hi | 19:09 |
| maddler | hi | 19:09 |
| bedboi | bipolar: i fear it is the ad-hoc mode | 19:10 |
| bipolar | bedboi: ad-hoc mode? | 19:11 |
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| bedboi | how do you connect with your n800? | 19:12 |
| bedboi | wifi ad-hoc or infrastructure? | 19:12 |
| bipolar | bedboi: I just attached to the local access point. I didn't really pay much attention to what mode it was in. | 19:12 |
| Streg | maddler: when using with grsync (and sometimes without it) it complains about random sed source. you can fix it with some symlink-kungfu, but it sucks. | 19:13 |
| maddler | Streg: nice to know... :) | 19:14 |
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| maddler | bipolar: launch top and see which (if any) process is eating your CPU | 19:15 |
| bipolar | maddler: nothing. it's mostly free | 19:16 |
| maddler | doh... and still slow ssh? | 19:16 |
| fish_ | can i download the cgi http://gnuite.com:8080/cgi-bin/gpx.cgi somewhere? | 19:16 |
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| maddler | fish_: I think I saw it somewhere... but... can't recall... | 19:19 |
| Streg | btw. which one ot those n+1 status/process/screenshot applicatios is the best? | 19:20 |
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| mgedmin | Streg: if you figure it out, tell me :) | 19:22 |
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| Streg | mgedmin: sure :) | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | I use a patched version of load-applet from https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | the patch is to make it not report completely bogus memory usage numbers | 19:22 |
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| bstock | so is most of the n770 3rd party software running on the n800 now? | 19:23 |
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| Streg | mgedmin: I'm considering that as well, but it's 6 months old. I have a bad feeling :) | 19:24 |
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| mgedmin | I should maybe check if it was applied upstream | 19:26 |
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| mgedmin | I used load-applet-run on my 770 | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | it worked quite well | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | I think it could report memory usage with better granularity | 19:27 |
| mgedmin | load-applet has only 4 possible values | 19:27 |
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| mgedmin | but load-applet seems to be newer, at least looking at the version numbers | 19:30 |
| mgedmin | and maybe I dreamed about the partial bars | 19:30 |
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| bipolar | I guess I should probbly move to a file system on the internal sd card slot. | 19:32 |
| bipolar | I plan to do a lot of stuff with this thing | 19:32 |
| maddler | time to leave here... | 19:33 |
| maddler | later dudes... | 19:33 |
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| daveaitel | ajturner: a lot less than 256 :> | 19:34 |
| bipolar | 'The password for user cannot be changed.' wtf? | 19:36 |
| Streg | This is a bit odd. I'm using grsync+openssh+publickey on my local wlan network to sync videos to my N800. the speed is only 100kB/s, but its not about the network or N800 CPU, because i can make gtalk calls without dropping the throughput rate. any ideas? | 19:37 |
| hap | why is the clock statusbar applet an analog one, i want numbers, not a circle | 19:38 |
| jonnylamb | bipolar: i changed it as rroot- worked thaat way | 19:39 |
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| bipolar | jonnylamb: but I can't become root using sudo becouse I don't know my own password :\ | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | hap: it follows the settings of the osso clock app | 19:40 |
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| hap | ah ok | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | bipolar: the default user account does not have a password and cannot use sudo to get root | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | well, it can use sudo gainroot if you've enabled R&D mode | 19:40 |
| Streg | bipolar: ssh root@mydeviceip password:rootme | 19:40 |
| jonnylamb | hap: go to menu-> utilities -> clock, thhen on the 'view' menu choose digital.. | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | simplest way to get root is to do what Streg said | 19:41 |
| Streg | then passwd user | 19:41 |
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| * mgedmin uses ssh keys instead | 19:41 | |
| bipolar | Streg: I have to get openssh installed first :) | 19:41 |
| * bipolar is slow | 19:41 | |
| mgedmin | bipolar: you can do that with the application installer if you enable red-pill mode | 19:41 |
| Streg | https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 | 19:41 |
| Streg | https://maemo.org/maemowiki/InstallSsh2006 | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | or use dropbear | 19:41 |
| hap | jonnylamb: ok thanks | 19:42 |
| hap | my n800's batteries keep going down when i leave the device turned on | 19:43 |
| hap | sux | 19:43 |
| hap | jonnylamb: my N800 on menu -> utilise -> clock has only date/time/summer time/choose city | 19:47 |
| hap | no "view" | 19:47 |
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| bipolar | woot! got it | 19:48 |
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| jonnylamb | hap: press the hhardware 'menu'-button.. or tap the top of the app where it says Clock.. then choose view from that menu | 19:50 |
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| jonnylamb | what are the proper names for the three hardware buttons to the left of the screen? | 19:51 |
| jobi | hi all | 19:51 |
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| hap | jonnylamb: aah ok | 19:53 |
| hap | jonnylamb: hidden feature... all that UI sux. | 19:53 |
| hap | just wondering, is someone here using usenet binaries, _and_ a n800 | 19:54 |
| jobi | usenet binaries? | 19:55 |
| bipolar | How big of an SD card can I put in the internal SD slot? | 19:55 |
| bipolar | I'm going to put my rootfs on it. | 19:56 |
| kulve | 2G both | 19:56 |
| jobi | bipolar: officially 2GB | 19:56 |
| jobi | but I heard 4GB actually works for some people | 19:56 |
| kulve | I have 300M partition on external for rootfs and 1700M for vfat | 19:56 |
| hap | jobi: don't know about it? | 19:57 |
| bipolar | jobi: interesting. maybe the docs were written before the 4gb ones were out? | 19:57 |
| Streg | 4gb should work in n800 | 19:57 |
| Streg | someone blogged about it. | 19:57 |
| bipolar | Streg: cool. I'm going to go down the street and buy one. | 19:57 |
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| Streg | bipolar:don't blame me if it doesn't work :) | 19:59 |
| bipolar | Streg: I'm already composing a nasty email... I'll hit send if it doesn't work :D | 19:59 |
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| Streg | :) | 20:00 |
| konfoo | anyone know the solution if any to get python 2.5 to install on the n800, with this libluetooth1 error? | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | jonnylamb: (1) dunno, but I call it ESC, (2) menu and (3) home | 20:01 |
| jonnylamb | mgedmin: yeah they sound nice! cheers | 20:02 |
| luck | konfoo, are you using the right repository? | 20:02 |
| konfoo | luck: which is the right repo for 2.5? | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | I've got a 4gb sd card (not sdhc) in my n800 | 20:03 |
| luck | konfoo, n800 uses bora repositories | 20:03 |
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| bipolar | mgedmin: whats sdhc? | 20:03 |
| konfoo | luck: you don't say.. | 20:04 |
| konfoo | :P | 20:04 |
| luck | maybe you are trying with a scirocco repository | 20:04 |
| luck | :) | 20:04 |
| bipolar | google knows all... I guess I should avoid sdhc cards then? | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | the shop where I bought it let me try it before buying | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | bipolar: standard for high-capacity sd cards | 20:05 |
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| luck | konfoo, which repositories (pointing to repositories.maemo.org) do you have in your application manager catalog? | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | changes two things: addressing (block level instead of byte level) and filesystem (fat32 instead of fat16) | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | afaiu | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | not supported in n800 yet, but there's an unofficial kernel that supports sdhc cards | 20:07 |
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| acidborg | hi | 20:07 |
| bipolar | mgedmin: interesting | 20:08 |
| konfoo | nm it worked :) | 20:08 |
| acidborg | is there any DAAP client for Maemo (bora) ? | 20:08 |
| luck | konfoo, great! :) | 20:08 |
| bipolar | ok.... time to head down to the store | 20:08 |
| konfoo | luck: indeed :) | 20:08 |
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| ajturner | where is Carman hosted? | 20:14 |
| timeless | garage | 20:15 |
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| ajturner | ah -thx, thought he was pointing to maemo.org.br, but waren't thar | 20:15 |
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| timeless | it has both a www set and a source svn | 20:15 |
| timeless | .. of course, i need to get this xref onto maemo.org so you can use it :|. not before FOSDEM :( | 20:16 |
| ajturner | I was curious what obd-ii interfaces worked | 20:16 |
| timeless | the docs dir is empty | 20:16 |
| acidborg | any DAAP client for Maemo(bora) ? | 20:17 |
| ajturner | there is a BT OBD tool, but not sure if supported | 20:17 |
| ajturner | not to mention bt serial is ~$100 | 20:17 |
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| maddler | re | 20:37 |
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| tigert | re | 20:38 |
| maddler | heya... :) | 20:39 |
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| dolfun | wonder if one could license lucasarts games for distribution with the 770 | 20:41 |
| konfoo | anyone tried this obd2 app? | 20:44 |
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| bipolar | konfoo: no, but I'd like to | 20:44 |
| konfoo | i already have a bunch of obd2 scanners | 20:45 |
| konfoo | allinone, elmscan, etc | 20:45 |
| noir | hej | 20:45 |
| konfoo | this firefly device is powered via the serial port right? | 20:46 |
| konfoo | the elmscan powers itself off the obd2 bus, i assume this will add a few mA to the load | 20:47 |
| * konfoo scratches chin | 20:49 | |
| tko | w00t, osso-xterm has .install file.. \o/ | 20:50 |
| tko | maemopad didn't :-/ | 20:50 |
| tko | irssi doesn't.. guess I have to install x-chat then | 20:51 |
| tigert | use ssh + screen | 20:54 |
| tigert | ;) | 20:54 |
| konfoo | word | 20:54 |
| konfoo | bitchx | 20:54 |
| konfoo | done and done | 20:54 |
| tko | tigert, still waiting for my shell access on maemo.org :) | 20:54 |
| tigert | run it at home | 20:54 |
| tko | nat | 20:55 |
| tigert | its not like you irc just for work ;) | 20:55 |
| X-Fade | tko: There is a request for the new application catalog to automatically create an .install file.. | 20:55 |
| X-Fade | Or make it easily editable. | 20:55 |
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| Tak | xchat + dircproxy! | 20:56 |
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| tko_ | xchat is pretty broken... | 20:57 |
| Tak | the maemo build? or in general? | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | how? | 20:57 |
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| timeless | anyone know how much you have to build for sb2? just gcc? or also ld? | 20:58 |
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| lle2 | timeless: I'm finding it hard to parse that? | 20:59 |
| tko | the user info dialog doesn't scale right, the dialog after joining a network doesn't accept input so I can't enter the channel name to join | 20:59 |
| tko | the font size - colors combination makes text hard to read | 21:00 |
| Tak | yeah - it needs to be ported | 21:00 |
| Tak | instead of just recompiled ;-) | 21:00 |
| Tak | also it doesn't fullscreen | 21:00 |
| tko | zoom in/out buttons don't work | 21:00 |
| tko | the user list seems to always be there | 21:00 |
| bipolar | friken Radio Shack didn't have 4GB SD cards. | 21:01 |
| konfoo | i gave up and got a 2gb sd card | 21:01 |
| konfoo | bipolar: i hear the adata 4gb cards from newegg work | 21:02 |
| tko | but like I said, irssi wasn't on the options list :) | 21:02 |
| andrunko | does someone know how do i allow application installer to update a package that depends on a package that was renamed. it needs to remove the old package and install the new one renamed, but it fails with "some application packages required for the update are missing" | 21:02 |
| andrunko | but it works fine with apt-get directly | 21:02 |
| Tak | did anybody try the 8G sdhc cards with the custom kernel? | 21:02 |
| nelson | konfoo: are there 4gb cards that don't work? | 21:03 |
| bipolar | Tak: what? 8GB? | 21:03 |
| Tak | note sdhc | 21:03 |
| bipolar | wow... thats, like *double* the 4GB ones! :D | 21:03 |
| konfoo | nelson: i have a transcend 4gb 150x non-sdhc sitting here that doesnt work on either of the two n800's i have | 21:03 |
| nelson | Ahhhhh, sounds like care needs to be taken. | 21:04 |
| konfoo | indeed. this one may have been on the shelf for a long time though and be a first rev, but hard to tell since they dont etch a serial/rev on the backside of their cards | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | konfoo: I have a transcend 4gb 150x non-sdhc that works in my n800 | 21:05 |
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| nelson | same kernel? | 21:06 |
| konfoo | mgedmin: shrug. this doesnt work on 3 n800s | 21:06 |
| konfoo | and thats with the original firmware, updated firmware, and the sdhc-enabled kernel build | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | I got lucky then | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | my n800 came with the same firmware that's available for download (I guess it's the updated one?), and the card worked right after I inserted it | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | shows up as 3.8GB free | 21:08 |
| konfoo | this card 'works' as well.. just dont try create swap on it, or use the file manager to access files on it | 21:08 |
| konfoo | any of those two corrupts the fat table | 21:08 |
| bipolar | konfoo: what if you format it ext2? | 21:09 |
| bipolar | konfoo: have you tried it? | 21:09 |
| konfoo | hmm guess i could try that. did u format yours to ext2? | 21:09 |
| bipolar | konfoo: I've done that with my Zaurus, not with the 770/800 | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | cool... not | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | I didn't try swap | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | I did copy a gig files to it (with mc rather than the file manager) | 21:10 |
| konfoo | lol | 21:10 |
| bipolar | I want to use the internal SD card slot for my root file system, so I'll be reformating it ext2 | 21:10 |
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| bipolar | ok... I'm going to run out and try another store. hopefuly office depot has one like their website says they do. | 21:11 |
| konfoo | thats where i got the 2gb | 21:11 |
| konfoo | they didnt have 4gb in the store | 21:12 |
| konfoo | time to try mkfs on this card i will let u know if it works :) | 21:12 |
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| b0unc3 | Hi | 21:19 |
| b0unc3 | when I try to upload a file to the extras repository i get this error : Unknown upload method: scp , someone now why ? | 21:19 |
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| gpd | does anyone have experience with FUSE - or using ssh to 'mount' filesystems from remote machines? | 21:26 |
| c0ffee | in general or on the 770/800? | 21:27 |
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| gpd | either | 21:32 |
| gpd | holy lag batman | 21:32 |
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| gpd | I'ld like to start using it and availability on ht etablet would be a large bonux | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | gpd: I use sshfs to mount my nokias on my laptop | 21:33 |
| dolfun | gpd, i just had failures with nfs mounting | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | I haven't tried it from the other side | 21:33 |
| c0ffee | i'm using fuse + ssh regularily here | 21:33 |
| gpd | i have not looked into sshfs or fuse -- anythin else i should investigate? - nfs is out | 21:33 |
| c0ffee | ifolder | 21:34 |
| gpd | is i folder dav? i think i tried that a long time ago | 21:34 |
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| gpd | mac + windows + tablet + ubuntu would be ideal - with a debian virtual server as central storage. | 21:35 |
| gpd | currently i use unison | 21:35 |
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| gpd | which works pretty well - but requires a little bit of maintenance | 21:36 |
| c0ffee | it's some commercial product by novell | 21:37 |
| gpd | looks like sshfs is based on fuse (somehow) - website makes it look /supereasy/ | 21:37 |
| c0ffee | there's also a free version available | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | gpd: yes, sshfs is a fuse plugin (or whatever those things are called) | 21:38 |
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| gpd | hmm. fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied | 21:41 |
| gpd | instructions aren't hugely clear... sshfs hostname: mountpoint | 21:41 |
| konfoo | ext2 doesnt help this 4gb card | 21:41 |
| konfoo | [81227.820709] EXT2-fs error (device mmcblk1p1): ext2_readdir: bad page in #48673 | 21:41 |
| konfoo | IO error hell | 21:41 |
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| gpd | hmm again. seems to work if i run sshfs as root - nasty | 21:42 |
| konfoo | ifolder is complete crap | 21:43 |
| konfoo | that thing should be shitcanned | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | gpd: adduser $USER fuse | 21:44 |
| Tak | konfoo: so you've got a bad card? | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | konfoo: perhaps you can replace that card under warranty? | 21:45 |
| konfoo | nodding | 21:45 |
| konfoo | 'lifetime warranty' | 21:46 |
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| konfoo | time to put that to the test :) | 21:46 |
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| konfoo | wow | 21:52 |
| konfoo | anyone buying transcend.. i advise against it. their site is slower than mud | 21:52 |
| kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/02/15/streaming-dvb-t-as-ogg-to-n800/ | 21:52 |
| konfoo | kulve: nice im going to try that with my hacked tivo right now :) | 21:55 |
| bipolar | Dangit... *nobody* has a 4GB SD card on the shelf | 21:57 |
| kulve | the gstreamer theora encoder has quick-option. I wonder if I should somehow set it with vlc too.. | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | is there a solution for on-the-fly transcoding and streaming videos for the n800? | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | would vlc work? | 21:58 |
| Tak | how's theora size/quality compare to mpeg4 in the ranges needed by the 770 and 800? | 21:59 |
| kulve | mgedmin: I think vlc could work. I'm doing it now but with low res.. | 21:59 |
| kulve | Tak: I really don't know. The quality seems good. I could even be happy with much lower quality if the encoding would be then less cpu intensive.. | 22:00 |
| * mgedmin has never tried to use vlc | 22:00 | |
| Tak | hmm, maybe I'll do some testing | 22:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: check my blog...I've tested something with vlc | 22:01 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: url? | 22:01 |
| MoRpHeUz | http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/ | 22:01 |
| kulve | thx :) | 22:01 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | thx | 22:01 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: just having some problems regarding mp4 to theora transcoding.. | 22:01 |
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| MoRpHeUz | the theora codec from vlc is bugged | 22:02 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: yeah, I read there are/were some bugs | 22:04 |
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| konfoo | bah ty->ogg remux is bugged | 22:07 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: people from vlc told me that ffmpeg's implementation is 100% working...they will fix that on vlc on a near future... | 22:08 |
| lardman | zuh: ping | 22:08 |
| lardman | or even kulve (as /me reads the email) | 22:09 |
| kulve | lardman: ? | 22:09 |
| lardman | kulve: How did you compile glibc? | 22:09 |
| * lardman is still having troubles understanding the debian buildsystem | 22:09 | |
| kulve | lardman: I compile everything with "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroo" | 22:09 |
| Tak | hmm - will mencoder create an ogg container? | 22:10 |
| lardman | kulve: cool, that's started something happening. Where can one set configure options? | 22:11 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: yeah, I just selected the ogg-stuff, because I happened to have the libs and found a nice example with those and vlc | 22:11 |
| kulve | lardman: now you are getting in the more difficult parts :) | 22:12 |
| kulve | lardman: just a sec | 22:12 |
| MoRpHeUz | kulve: yes...ogg is godd =) | 22:12 |
| MoRpHeUz | good | 22:12 |
| lardman | kulve: export the CFLAGS, etc., before running dpkg-*? | 22:12 |
| kulve | lardman: debian/rules is usually the file to set all kinds of stuff related to compiling and building a deb | 22:13 |
| kulve | lardman: I enabled my gcc flags the like this: | 22:14 |
| kulve | BUILD_CFLAGS = -O2 -g -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp | 22:14 |
| jtra | hmm, my 770 got stuck while openning "select connection", battery disconnect was needed, and now I see there is internal filesystem corruption | 22:15 |
| lardman | kulve: no executables built & run during the build? | 22:15 |
| lardman | kulve: looking at the armv6 -mcpu switch | 22:15 |
| matt_c_ | lardman: I found that reading the debian new maintainer's guide was pretty useful in understanding the build system (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html) | 22:16 |
| matt_c_ | I recently packaged up PIL for python2.5 and reading that helped *a lot* | 22:16 |
| kulve | lardman: most build systems will build and run some executables | 22:16 |
| lardman | matt_c_: Thanks, will take a look at it | 22:16 |
| bipolar | I'm still having a hell of a time getting a ssh conntection to my 800 | 22:16 |
| kulve | I'm pretty sure the libc too | 22:16 |
| kulve | bipolar: I've installed both dropbear and openssh successfully and decided to use openssh in the future | 22:17 |
| lardman | kulve: Dunno about you, but the CFLAGS aren't being used from debian/rules | 22:18 |
| bipolar | kulve: I've got openssh installed. It's like the wifi connection is not working right. If I ping the 800's ip address it starts working. | 22:18 |
| bipolar | If I keep pinging the 800, the connection stays responsive. | 22:19 |
| bipolar | As soon as I stop pingging, lag city | 22:19 |
| bipolar | does anyone know if this works for the 800? http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 22:20 |
| Tak | bipolar: I think that's been reported before | 22:21 |
| Tak | the wifi seeming to disconnect when it's idle | 22:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | bipolar: that happend to me once | 22:22 |
| bipolar | hmm | 22:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | I just flashed it and everything came back to normal =) | 22:22 |
| kulve | lardman: in most cases setting the CFLAGS is the right way, but not with (this) libc | 22:22 |
| fish_ | fuck.. my nokia 770 doesnt come up again.. it hangs on the boot screen (with kernel/initfs version) and reboots after a few seconds | 22:22 |
| kulve | lardman: there are separate flags for host gcc and cross compiler.. | 22:23 |
| * jonnylamb can't wait until all the docs move to the new wiki-site :) | 22:23 | |
| fish_ | i had that problem a few hours ago the first time, but after some time it came up again.. | 22:23 |
| fish_ | but now.. | 22:23 |
| fish_ | now it boots again.. wtf? that sucks... | 22:27 |
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| fish_ | a few hours ago i thought 'hey, since the last software release it works very well'.. | 22:29 |
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| lardman | kulve: Good call, forgot it thinks it's compiling natively | 22:34 |
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| fish_ | uhm.. and maemo-mapper 1.4 now uses sqlite3 for the poi.db | 22:38 |
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| melmoth | fish_: it happens to me recently (yesterday) on my n800, i filled / and this is what happened next | 22:46 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: so, stuff is my blog is already old news compared to your blog.. :) | 22:46 |
| melmoth | i had to reflash it, and it works again now | 22:46 |
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| MoRpHeUz | kulve: hehe, no problem...let's keep each other updated the news...does your blog have an rss feed ? | 22:46 |
| kulve | MoRpHeUz: yes, but probably I'm not going to put any updates there.. I'll add a link to your blog.. | 22:48 |
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| MoRpHeUz | kulve: great...so do I ! | 22:48 |
| melmoth | say i want to have a gtk textview to behave like the opera browser does as far as touching the screen is concerned (ie being able to scroll down and up with one finger on the screen), any idea how to do that ? | 22:48 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 22:49 |
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| tko | melmoth, connect to button-press-event and do magic | 22:56 |
| tko | or hack textview and send patches :) | 22:57 |
| tko | ok, I'm slow today. how do you use convert to scale 720x480 image to 800x480 ? | 22:58 |
| konfoo | -scale? | 22:59 |
| tko | doesn't change the size.. | 22:59 |
| konfoo | -scale 800x480\! | 23:00 |
| jtra | -sample | 23:00 |
| tko | konfoo, the ! did it | 23:01 |
| tko | how obvious | 23:01 |
| konfoo | :) | 23:01 |
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| maddler | mumble... just got a reboot... | 23:20 |
| maddler | cpu went to 100% and BAM! | 23:20 |
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| maddler | sbaturziolo! | 23:20 |
| maddler | :) | 23:21 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 23:21 |
| maddler | what's up? | 23:22 |
| sbaturzio | uhmm....let me see... | 23:23 |
| sbaturzio | not really a good day... | 23:23 |
| sbaturzio | but now is over, so I'm taking a break ;-) | 23:23 |
| melmoth | tko mhhh, do you know if there is a motion-notify-event for textview as well ? | 23:23 |
| bipolar | does the charging status change when the battery is fully charged, or does it say charging as long as it's plugged in? | 23:25 |
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| melmoth | bipolar: it just stop 'blinking' or being animated | 23:25 |
| bipolar | melmoth: ok, cool. thanks. | 23:26 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: hehehe... don't remind me of today, please... | 23:28 |
| maddler | I've been fighting all day long with brainless idiots... | 23:28 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: lUsers? | 23:29 |
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| tko | melmoth, of course there is | 23:34 |
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| bipolar | do alarms wake the device up? | 23:37 |
| melmoth | tko cool, i m playing with it now, looks like all is left for me is to know how to tell the texview to scroll now :) | 23:37 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: hehehe... right... :) | 23:37 |
| maddler | bipolar: yes... | 23:38 |
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| bipolar | maddler: when I hit the power button, it asks what I want to do. which one is what I expect to be 'suspend'? :p | 23:38 |
| bipolar | switch off, i hope... | 23:39 |
| maddler | no... | 23:39 |
| maddler | there is no default "suspend" action... | 23:39 |
| maddler | you need do modify /etc/systemui/systemui.xml file in order to have "Soft Poweroff" | 23:40 |
| bipolar | well, it woke up from 'switch off', but didn't play the sound I selected :) | 23:40 |
| maddler | dunno... It worked for me... | 23:40 |
| maddler | in since Jan 25th til this morning... | 23:40 |
| maddler | and never had problems... | 23:41 |
| bipolar | I wonder if it's becouse I moved root to the internal sd card | 23:42 |
| bipolar | and the sound I wanted to play was on the OTHER sd card... hmmm.. | 23:42 |
| Tak | mine doesn't play alarms if I have "system sounds" turned off | 23:42 |
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| maddler | Tak: that makes sense... well... I think... | 23:44 |
| * Tak shrugs | 23:44 | |
| Tak | I can see arguments both ways | 23:44 |
| tko | melmoth, GtkScrolledWindow::vscrollbar | 23:47 |
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| bipolar | bingo... | 23:52 |
| bipolar | when the alarm mp3 is in the root fs, it works. :p | 23:52 |
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