| * Jaffa disagrees. If there's no upstream source, how exactly is mud supposed to handle that? (From what I can gather and your mail, keesj) | 00:00 | |
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| keesj | Jaffa: I don't know , there is an upstream source but not where mud is searching | 00:01 |
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| Jaffa | Not where mud is searching, where `apt-get source' is searchiing. | 00:01 |
| keesj | and you are going to say that it is not mud .. | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | :) | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | I take your point, though | 00:01 |
| Akatemik | Jaffa: Hi again | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | Akatemik: hi | 00:02 |
| Akatemik | Is there a way to get sylpheed load mails when preparing for offline mode? | 00:02 |
| keesj | alright , peraps a bann-repo , or perhaps if there is a deb-src that one can be used (as only one?) | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | keesj: I'd prefer to not have checked in to svn packages which don't work (even if it's due to a MUD bug) | 00:02 |
| Akatemik | Something like loading the full text of all new mail would be really, really great | 00:03 |
| Jaffa | keesj: yeah, I was thinking along the same lines | 00:03 |
| keesj | Akatemik: why not use dovecot as local imap server , dovecot pretty much rules | 00:03 |
| Akatemik | keesj: Hmm, I'll have to check that. It would do what I want? | 00:03 |
| Jaffa | Akatemik: no idea - I'm fairly certain it does with POP3, but I don't use IMAP | 00:03 |
| Akatemik | Jaffa: It does with pop3, since the whole point of that protocol is to download everything. | 00:04 |
| Akatemik | Unfortunately pop3 isn't really useful for keeping the remote box up to date | 00:04 |
| keesj | Akatemik: I don't know what you want but I have been using dovecot + fetchmail as a great combination to have ofline mail | 00:05 |
| Akatemik | keesj: I'm not sure if you were here before, so allow me to repeat myself: I use imap(s) to read my university mail and I'd like to use 770 as a mail terminal for going through new mail and writing replies while transiting on the bus. | 00:06 |
| Akatemik | The idea is that I can use that 30-45 minutes of offline doing something useful | 00:06 |
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| Akatemik | Reading/writing mails would be nice, since I have to do that at some point of the day anyway | 00:07 |
| fish | yes! scapy with graphviz works on my nokia 770 now =) | 00:07 |
| Akatemik | So after the transit and returning online, the 770 should send the mails I wrote and synch the status of new mail to old, so that they don't appear as new again at my desktop | 00:07 |
| Akatemik | And why did my 770 just crash :( Maybe because I tried to load a 200 meg videofile... | 00:08 |
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| * mgedmin likes offlineimap + dovecot | 00:10 | |
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| mgedmin | offlineimap is written in Python, so porting it to the 770 should not be hard | 00:10 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, ok | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | and someone already ported mutt | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 00:10 |
| Akatemik | Yeah, mutt is preferred | 00:11 |
| Akatemik | I use that on my desktop | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | you'd also need some way of queueing outgoing mails and sending them later | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | postfix on the 770? | 00:11 |
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| Akatemik | But mutt doesn't play nicely on offline mode normally. If it would, it would not suck as badly :) | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | I only use mutt with local mailboxes/maildirs | 00:12 |
| Akatemik | mgedmin: Quite many mail programs can do that, the trivial hack with mutt would be to postpone everything | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | that would require user training :) | 00:12 |
| Akatemik | But for example sylpheed handles queuing outgoiing mail while on offline mode | 00:12 |
| Akatemik | It just doesn't handle the incoming that well | 00:12 |
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| Akatemik | mgedmin: I can train myself really well :) | 00:12 |
| Akatemik | This is a purely selfish quest | 00:13 |
| jeepers | does anyone know why i would get an error saying that python2.5 is missing on the device when trying to install an app? | 00:13 |
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| Akatemik | Is there a nice apt.source for the apps in maemo app database, or is every app in a different place? | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | the apps are mostly scattered | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | easiest way to install them is to use the "click to install" links in the new application catalog | 00:14 |
| Akatemik | mgedmin: So, could you tersely describe how offlineimap + dovecot works? | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | dovecot runs on my work server, where I keep my mail | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | offlineimap runs on my laptop and does two-way synchronization with the imap server | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | I run offlineimap, then use mutt on my laptop | 00:17 |
| mgedmin | move read messages to folders etc | 00:17 |
| mgedmin | then run offlineimap again to update the folders on the server | 00:17 |
| mgedmin | (and get new mail) | 00:17 |
| Akatemik | It keeps a full repository of the mail on your laptop? | 00:18 |
| mgedmin | yes | 00:18 |
| mgedmin | as multiple maildirs | 00:18 |
| mgedmin | one maildir for each imap folder | 00:19 |
| mgedmin | (and since my ~/Mail weighs about 1 GB, I am not going to run offlineimap on my 770 any time soon) | 00:19 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, not quite what I want (my maildirs are huge and 770 space is limited), but I guess the script is hackable | 00:19 |
| mgedmin | I think you can filter the synchronization to just a few folders | 00:19 |
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| mgedmin | say, the inbox | 00:19 |
| Akatemik | Well, I only use inbox... | 00:20 |
| * Akatemik loves mutt filters | 00:20 | |
| Akatemik | I used to divide my mail into different folders, until I realised that the criteria keep changing way too fast | 00:20 |
| Akatemik | So these days I simply limit and filter to what I need at any given time | 00:20 |
| Akatemik | keesj: What kind of setup did you have in mind? | 00:21 |
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| mgedmin | I have pre-set filter patterns mapped to alt-2...alt-12 | 00:24 |
| mgedmin | for managing my inbox by mailing lists | 00:24 |
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| mgedmin | I created alternative mappings on ,2 ... ,12 when I started using mutt over ssh from the 770 | 00:25 |
| maddler | nice... "flasher-3.0 --set-root-device mmc" has no effect on N800 | 00:26 |
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| maddler | or is it me? | 00:26 |
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| maddler | "The device root device is 'mmc'" | 00:27 |
| maddler | but still booting from flash... | 00:27 |
| jeepers | going to go kill myself... ciao... | 00:27 |
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| jeff_ | newbie questions OK here? | 00:28 |
| tigert | ask, we'll see :) | 00:28 |
| maddler | jeff_: ask... | 00:29 |
| jeff_ | trying to get python running under scratchbox. says ImportError: No module named gtk | 00:29 |
| jeff_ | how do I get gtk and libs there (it actually works on 770) | 00:30 |
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| Akatemik | Hmm, the python2.5-runtime isn't installable :/ | 00:31 |
| jeff_ | using 2.4 | 00:31 |
| jeff_ | how to install runtime, then for 2.4 | 00:31 |
| Akatemik | jeff_: Ah, sorry. Wasn't talking about your problem. I'm even more newbiew to 770 and Maemo. I've owned this device for 4 hours | 00:32 |
| s-ndh-c | hehe | 00:33 |
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| s-ndh-c | ist it possible to test the binarys in scratchbox+xephyr first before moving to the device? i allways get BadWindow error | 00:35 |
| s-ndh-c | +n | 00:35 |
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| aCiDBaSe | jeff_: you need to call python2.4 or python2.5 | 00:37 |
| aCiDBaSe | jeff_: if you call just "python" scratchbox will start the python2.3 inside the /scratchbox/tools/bin | 00:37 |
| jeff_ | bash: python2.4: command not found | 00:38 |
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| s-ndh-c | oh i it somehow didnt successfuly start the window manager , now it works | 00:39 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 00:39 |
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| Tak | Jaffa: that package will work on bora, scirocco, and gregale ;-) | 00:40 |
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| fish | uhm.. i cant start image-viewer somepic.jpg, right? is there another way to display a image with the image viewer from the terminal? | 00:46 |
| jeff_ | can anyone tell me how do I load native packages on SDK_PC, particulary python2.4 with gtk and glade support | 00:47 |
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| maddler | jeff_: try also on maemo-users list... | 00:54 |
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| maddler | maybe someone could help... | 00:54 |
| jeff_ | ok, will do that, tnx | 00:55 |
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| kkito | jajaja i have quake2 running at good speed! | 01:09 |
| kkito | :D | 01:09 |
| fish | ?? ;) | 01:09 |
| glassss | on 800 or? | 01:09 |
| kkito | yes on n800 ;) | 01:10 |
| kkito | but the sound is really bad, there are some problems with the alsa | 01:10 |
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| etrunko | kkito: can you upload a video of it to youtube? | 01:12 |
| etrunko | :D | 01:12 |
| kkito | jejeje :) | 01:13 |
| kkito | firt i must to repair the audio | 01:13 |
| MDK | kkito: quake2 ? | 01:13 |
| MDK | I mean, really '2' ? | 01:14 |
| kkito | yes quake2 ;) | 01:14 |
| MDK | thanks god it's quake2, not quake1 | 01:14 |
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| MDK | otherwise my productivity for the next month would be seriously compromised | 01:15 |
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| MDK | since I would need to 'test it' | 01:15 |
| kkito | jajaja xD | 01:15 |
| MDK | but quake2 sucks ;) | 01:15 |
| kkito | if you want i can port quake1 too :) | 01:15 |
| myren | some ttyquake1 would rock the fscking house | 01:16 |
| myren | especially with such a high res display | 01:16 |
| myren | what sized terminal can you rock on the n800? | 01:16 |
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| neostrider | hey fellows | 01:17 |
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| myren | quake2 ctf rocked the fscking house | 01:19 |
| kkito | it supports ctf too | 01:19 |
| neostrider | Q2Maemo? | 01:20 |
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| fish | the n770 is way too slow for q2 i guess..? | 01:22 |
| kkito | fish, i dont know :/ perhaps yes because it hasnt the hw floating point | 01:28 |
| nomis | it does stuff: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/statusbardisco_0.1_armel.deb | 01:29 |
| nomis | (despite the directory name only tested on the n800) | 01:29 |
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| nomis | (volume does not yet work properly. | 01:30 |
| neostrider | kkito: My raycaster ran faster than PC heheh | 01:30 |
| kkito | neostrider, :) | 01:31 |
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| myren | jeezus thats so rocktastic | 01:39 |
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| neostrider | BRB | 01:47 |
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| nomis | Hmm, is it possible to watch a specific gconf-key with gconftool? Similar to dbus-monitor? | 02:05 |
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| neostrider | matt: Hey...did you get Quake on Maemo anyway? | 02:12 |
| neostrider | matt_c: did you get quake on maemo? | 02:13 |
| matt_c | neostrider: ya know, I don't think I ever tried after getting a 770. | 02:13 |
| * matt_c makes note to kill some comment spam on his blog. | 02:14 | |
| matt_c | the maemo doom port was pretty fun but once I got over the "cool" factor the controls were a bit tedious | 02:14 |
| glassss | it's stupid that there's no buttons on the other side of the screen | 02:15 |
| glassss | it's a stupid thing that is common for nokia devices that makes them much shittier for gaming than what they could be | 02:15 |
| neostrider | matt_c: its not very appropriate game for it | 02:15 |
| * matt_c hugs his taco. | 02:15 | |
| glassss | just 1-2 buttons on the other side would do wonders for s60s gaming capabilities | 02:15 |
| neostrider | glassss: I also did some gamedev for S60. N-Gage specially...im cracking my head to design good controls for the games im working on, for the 770 | 02:16 |
| matt_c | it's a shame too since the d-pad and the button that would make a great "fire" button are controlled by the same finger | 02:18 |
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| [mbm] | put some onscreen button in the corners | 02:21 |
| glassss | not nearly as good | 02:22 |
| [mbm] | better than nothing | 02:22 |
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| neostrider | [mbm]: fingerprints on screen....aaarrrrrgh! | 02:23 |
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| glassss | and no travel | 02:24 |
| [mbm] | well then use usb host mode and wire up a controller pad :P | 02:24 |
| glassss | not something you could expect your casual gamer to do | 02:24 |
| glassss | if you're coding a game that you would people to play | 02:24 |
| glassss | +like | 02:24 |
| neostrider | and about a hardcover which would press onscreen buttons gentlier | 02:25 |
| neostrider | ? | 02:25 |
| neostrider | nokia could do that | 02:25 |
| neostrider | a hardcover with a big hole | 02:25 |
| glassss | right now, n770/n800, i'd make the game use the screen upwise(whats the right word.. so that you would press home etc as fire with other thumb and pad with another | 02:25 |
| glassss | yeah a cover like that would work, but you couldn't really expect users to have it | 02:26 |
| [mbm] | the blocks (tetris) game already makes you rotate the screen | 02:26 |
| neostrider | [mbm]: he's talking about the inverse blocks do | 02:27 |
| neostrider | glassss: im changing my plans from a first person shooter to a myst-like adventure ,using ONLY the stylus...I guess its the only option we have | 02:28 |
| neostrider | (but I still want to port defendguin...I LOVE that game!) | 02:28 |
| [mbm] | you're not being creative enough | 02:28 |
| glassss | yeah, designing the game to the device is best.. but it sucks if you have to limit the style because of that | 02:29 |
| kkito | i am uploading the quake2 video to yuoutube... | 02:29 |
| glassss | what i'd like to do for maemo would be a cannon fodder clone | 02:29 |
| glassss | it would be quite doale | 02:29 |
| glassss | doable | 02:29 |
| glassss | and controllable, pad for movement, stylus for shooting around | 02:29 |
| neostrider | [mbm]: maybe...but I guess this is the best to do to match the UI feel | 02:29 |
| [mbm] | you could draw a d-pad on the screen for the stylus and then use the hardware dpad for buttons | 02:29 |
| neostrider | glassss: love that game! | 02:30 |
| [mbm] | or just make it like the mario64 nintendo ds games where anywhere you touch on the screen turns into a dpad | 02:30 |
| glassss | war! never been so much fun! | 02:30 |
| neostrider | no simultaneous taps...right? | 02:30 |
| [mbm] | probably not | 02:31 |
| neostrider | no | 02:32 |
| neostrider | it gets the middlepoint of the simultaneous taps | 02:32 |
| neostrider | but still, there is some way to use this ;-) | 02:32 |
| neostrider | some clever design | 02:32 |
| neostrider | god | 02:33 |
| neostrider | i hate touching the screen with my finger | 02:33 |
| [mbm] | well, the n800 is atleast smart enough to know the difference between a finger and a stylus, might be able to do simultaneous | 02:34 |
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| neostrider | maybe...or maybe its just some clever programming to know a lot of simultaneous press around a area that is probably the radius of a finger | 02:35 |
| neostrider | [mbm]: what kind of game are you doing? | 02:36 |
| * [mbm] isn't doing any game | 02:36 | |
| neostrider | glassss: are you designing games too, right? | 02:36 |
| [mbm] | just commenting on the earlier discussion | 02:36 |
| glassss | neostride: i wish, occupied with some non-game symbian programming.. | 02:37 |
| glassss | but as a hobby.. | 02:37 |
| glassss | for which i don't have that much time now | 02:37 |
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| kkito | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPh2Os0D8pY <--- quake2 running on n800 | 02:37 |
| glassss | though if i started a new project i'd probably do it in j2me | 02:37 |
| neostrider | glassss: symbian...just the simple glance of CArrayFixFlat<> gives me goosebumps | 02:38 |
| glassss | neostride: that ain't the wors of it even, the security shit in 3rd ed is | 02:38 |
| neostrider | kkito: "not available yet" | 02:38 |
| neostrider | glassss: I only dealt with SDK 1.2 ...lucky me | 02:39 |
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| neostrider | ;-) | 02:39 |
| glassss | hehe | 02:39 |
| neostrider | It was quite a school to me | 02:39 |
| neostrider | but when I saw Maemo, I saw the light hahahha | 02:39 |
| neostrider | being stuck to windows wasnt that pleasant | 02:40 |
| neostrider | after my N-Gage was stolen...I had nothing more putting me asside linux | 02:40 |
| glassss | too bad maemo isn't spread enough for it to be intresting to us in commercial way | 02:40 |
| neostrider | as linus said: "its just for pleasure" ;-) | 02:41 |
| glassss | too bad, i'd like to justify me getting a 800 :p | 02:41 |
| neostrider | but...hell...i still see maemo as a great gaming plataform just waiting to be | 02:41 |
| neostrider | I still want to do some massing game into it...be it a card game hahhahah | 02:42 |
| neostrider | hey...maybe crossfire is a good choice | 02:44 |
| glassss | hmm | 02:45 |
| glassss | is there effort for porting urquan masters? | 02:45 |
| [mbm] | don't think the n800 will be that great of a gaming platform since most games these days are 3d rendered | 02:45 |
| [mbm] | maybe the next maemo platform will have 3d hardware | 02:46 |
| glassss | plenty of good games can be done without 3d.. | 02:47 |
| kkito | [mbm], n800 has a powervr | 02:47 |
| glassss | i'd argue that 2d games are more suitable for the controls available too.. i'm not too fond of doom on 770's controls | 02:47 |
| [mbm] | sure, I'm not much of an fps fan; just pointing out the current state of the gaming industry | 02:47 |
| kkito | [mbm], althought there are no drivers, | 02:47 |
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| kkito | and the simmd instruction from armv6 and the floating point are good enought, almost for the quake2 ;) | 02:48 |
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| glassss | elite clone would be nice | 02:49 |
| kkito | ahh youtube is very slow encoding the video.... | 02:50 |
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| kkito | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPh2Os0D8pY <-- iep now it runs | 02:58 |
| [mbm] | hmm prices of transcend 4G SD cards on amazon keeps dropping | 03:00 |
| [mbm] | was $55 last week, down to $49 now | 03:01 |
| [mbm] | wonder if it has anything to do with all the n800 articles about non sdhc memcards | 03:02 |
| kkito | did you see the video? | 03:05 |
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| pvanhoof | http://tinymail.org/demos/tinymail_doing_lemonade_idle.mpg | 03:07 |
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| kkito | neostrider, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPh2Os0D8pY :) | 03:13 |
| neostrider | great! | 03:13 |
| neostrider | kkito: quite fast! | 03:14 |
| kkito | neostrider, yes i am impressed too :) | 03:14 |
| neostrider | maybe we can get hexen to run on the 770...its not that demanding | 03:14 |
| neostrider | kkito: and the control methods? | 03:15 |
| kkito | neostrider, not implemented | 03:15 |
| neostrider | rocker? | 03:15 |
| kkito | it is only a test | 03:15 |
| myren | [mbm]: the powervr would be awsome | 03:15 |
| neostrider | I see...but i guess the source, brings some standard configs for the controls, right? | 03:16 |
| kkito | neostrider, it is mapped to a normal keyboard and mouse events, i must to change it | 03:16 |
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| kkito | if i can make something playable i will make a package | 03:17 |
| neostrider | but hey...the rocker acts as the keyboard keys...esc is presend...mouse events (though touch screen ) are present | 03:17 |
| neostrider | maybe its not device optimized, but it is not playable? | 03:17 |
| glassss | hexen was just enhanced doom engine wasnt it? | 03:19 |
| kkito | well i suppose that it can be playable in the n800, doom is really fun on the 770 | 03:19 |
| glassss | it should run ok | 03:19 |
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| myren | glassss: yes but it'd had a number of maturation years by then | 03:19 |
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| myren | some day 3d hardware will be standard | 03:19 |
| myren | opengl onboard | 03:19 |
| [mbm] | glassss: right | 03:19 |
| myren | _everything_ | 03:19 |
| [mbm] | myren: yeah, I look forwrd to the day my cereal box has gl characters moving around | 03:20 |
| neostrider | hexen is a very teaked doom engine branch | 03:21 |
| neostrider | also is strife | 03:21 |
| neostrider | strife is the best doom engine game i ever saw | 03:21 |
| [mbm] | you could probably do duke3d just as easily | 03:22 |
| glassss | well, duke is a bit heavier.. but probably | 03:23 |
| myren | kqemu is the accelerator for QEMU? i had no idea. ROCK-TASTIC! | 03:25 |
| neostrider | actually, Duke is very tricky | 03:25 |
| neostrider | the ports are still in progress | 03:26 |
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| neostrider | its code was realeased quite late | 03:26 |
| myren | and was dirty from the start | 03:30 |
| myren | hows the Q1 & Q2 code? i'm not sure how clean/maintainable that was. | 03:31 |
| neostrider | I guess Q2 code is cleaner, right? | 03:33 |
| neostrider | actually Q2 = WinQuake (right from Q1) + some nasty stuff | 03:33 |
| neostrider | any SDL developer in the house? | 03:33 |
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| rofltosh | scoooore... on my N800 now... talking in IRC | 03:36 |
| pvanhoof | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFBqqdIghz0 | 03:39 |
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| neostrider | please, folks, try MaemoWizard? http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/maemowizard-alpha-000000001/ | 04:13 |
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| jwb_gone | is there somewhere within the SDK that tells me which libs are present? | 04:22 |
| * jwb_gone is a maemo/debian newbie | 04:22 | |
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| Tak | hahahahha, the new app catalog crashes opera on my 770 | 05:51 |
| Tak | hmm | 05:52 |
| Tak | actually *every* page is crashing opera | 05:53 |
| * Tak restarts | 05:53 | |
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| keesj | happy happy joy joy | 06:10 |
| cesman | happy happy joy | 06:11 |
| keesj | :p | 06:12 |
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| Toma- | is VNC viewing relativly good on the 770? | 06:24 |
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| gpd | here is a random question for the # --- can you use a US corded landline phone in other countries eg. UK ? | 06:42 |
| eeejay | gpd, i believe so | 06:43 |
| gpd | eeejay: ok - that is good enough - it goes in the shipping box ;) | 06:44 |
| gpd | how are things in maemo land? | 06:44 |
| gpd | I am still loving maemo-mapper with my i-blue 2 :D | 06:44 |
| gpd | but i am still waiting for the cascade of OS2007 apps to be ported from 2006 | 06:45 |
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| eeejay | gpd, could you recommend a bt gps that works with the n800? | 06:49 |
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| * cesman has an iblue 3200 | 06:49 | |
| eeejay | thanks cesman | 06:49 |
| gpd | eeejay: well the i-blue 2 that i have works great | 06:49 |
| gpd | eeejay: there is a thread on internetablet talk with others | 06:49 |
| gpd | http://www.buygpsnow.com/i-blue-edition-2-i-blue-737-high-sensitivity-bluetooth-gps-receiver-32-channel-waas-auto-on-off-679.aspx | 06:50 |
| gpd | i bought from them and had 0 problems - | 06:50 |
| gpd | one annoyance so far is related to maemo-mapper i think - if you get out of range of the gps then maemo-mapper 'goes away' - i need to test this further however | 06:51 |
| cesman | gpd, I've reported that bug | 06:51 |
| gpd | cesman: ok not just me then :( | 06:52 |
| mitcheloc | is it true that the n800 uses jffs2 as the file system? | 06:52 |
| * Tak kicks generator | 06:53 | |
| eeejay | gpd, cool, added to shopping cart, thanks :) | 06:53 |
| gpd | eeejay: nice nice :) | 06:54 |
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| myren | its so annoying how little analytical comparison there is of different gps recievers | 07:36 |
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| kulve | mitcheloc: hmm.. Sure it uses jffs2. Isn't it the most used fs type on flash devices? | 07:41 |
| desrt | logfs, anyone? | 07:43 |
| * gpd notes arrival of gammu in main | 07:45 | |
| kulve | desrt: hmm.. does logsfs take the flash wearing in to account? | 07:45 |
| gpd | does anyone have gnumeric working on N800? I found arm binaries for mistral only last time i checked | 07:47 |
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| zuh | keesj: "we" == Movial (we have one at the office and one of my co-workers stuffed gentoo on it). And as for the cost, I guess it costs as much as a lower end laptops. It's basically the same hardware anyway :) | 08:30 |
| zuh | (talking about the Samsung Q1) | 08:30 |
| zuh | The screen is so big it get's all fuzzy at 800x480 (but I may be spoiled by the N800 display ;) | 08:31 |
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| keesj | zuh yea , the display is really the killer app | 08:52 |
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| zuh | Too bad getting stuff drawn on it is so sluggish... | 08:58 |
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| zuh | Or rather "is not accelerated" I guess, the speed is not really what I describe "bad", it just could be much better. | 09:06 |
| keesj | yes, but it the device would become a psp ,ds and gpx2 killer | 09:07 |
| keesj | we don't want that to happen do we? | 09:07 |
| keesj | but I am having great fun with the device as is, and to be honest when I am not hacking on it , the speeds is more then good for cheking mail | 09:09 |
| keesj | the 770 was not fast enough for the default gmail but the n800 is | 09:09 |
| keesj | I have to go, Movial sounds interesting | 09:10 |
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| Akatemik | Argh, the mail app is using over 10 megs of space and is so slow that I cannot remove the mails. Where are the mails in the filesystem, I'll remove them from the shell | 09:49 |
| Akatemik | (locate would be nice...) | 09:49 |
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| Blackhold | hello | 10:07 |
| Blackhold | I'm trying to install vlc to my N800 | 10:07 |
| Blackhold | I use the repositories of vlc webpage and don't works :( | 10:07 |
| Blackhold | could some one give me some help please? | 10:08 |
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| zuh | If you want to see some really greasy Nokia tablet screens (yuck, should've wiped them before), go to: http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/45-Toyz-Toyz-Toyz.html | 10:21 |
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| keesj | zuh: it's a wet dearm come true | 10:38 |
| X-Fade | Any news on the FM radio in N800? :) | 10:38 |
| keesj | X-Fade: I think it was also discussed on irc when the n800 just apeared in the whild | 10:39 |
| keesj | hmm perhaps that the perfomance of the vnc recording can be improved if vnc2swf is run(ed)? on the device | 10:41 |
| X-Fade | keesj: A lot of nokia phones use that same chip, so it could be possible. | 10:42 |
| Blackhold | X-Fade: N800 got a FM radio? | 10:42 |
| Blackhold | :o | 10:42 |
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| X-Fade | Blackhold: There is a hint of that in /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0010 | 10:43 |
| zbenjamin | hello @ all | 10:43 |
| X-Fade | TEA5761 FM-Radio | 10:43 |
| X-Fade | For which there are linux drivers.. | 10:43 |
| X-Fade | Also in dmesg: tea5761 0-0010: tea5761 (version 7) detected at 0-0010 | 10:45 |
| suihkulokki | soo.. compile a v4l2 radio api and try it out :) | 10:45 |
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| keesj | Hi | 10:51 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:02 |
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| keesj | anybody good a graphics? | 11:08 |
| c0ffee | tigert i heard | 11:09 |
| keesj | I want a nice image to create something like this http://quicksynergy.sourceforge.net/imagens/QuickSynergyLinux.png or http://quicksynergy.sourceforge.net/imagens/Picture1.png | 11:09 |
| keesj | yes tigert is pretty good :p | 11:09 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
| koen | hey Jaffa | 11:15 |
| * zuh grins at "magrathea" and "mordor" (I know a couple of other machines named like that ;) | 11:21 | |
| zuh | I tend to use the latter theme in my naming | 11:21 |
| zuh | Every time I need to come up with a name, I go and get my copy of the Silmarillion which has a nice index to browse in the end... :P | 11:22 |
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| Blackhold | I just have installed the maemo mapper | 11:35 |
| Blackhold | but it don't works | 11:35 |
| Blackhold | I need some place to donwload the maps | 11:35 |
| Blackhold | I founded one, but don't works | 11:36 |
| Blackhold | is the mt.google.com... etc. | 11:36 |
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| keesj | maddler/Jaffa how can I upload files to the blog? | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | keesj: I've been wondering that. No idea. | 11:44 |
| Jaffa | zulla: shoot | 11:44 |
| keesj | perhaps you need som blogging tool? | 11:44 |
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| maddler | keesj: here... | 12:07 |
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| maddler | keesj, Jaffa: you should see an "upload" tab inside your blogs' admin area... | 12:09 |
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| keesj | I don't see it | 12:10 |
| keesj | I want to upload an image | 12:10 |
| keesj | and colored source code is that possible ? the <code> tag does not even preverse the indenting | 12:11 |
| Jaffa | keesj: use <pre> to preserve indenting | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | maddler: only tabs are: Write, Posts, Categories, Blog settings, Antispam, Files, My profile, Tools. No obvious "Upload" under "Files", either. | 12:13 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: "Files" | 12:24 |
| maddler | from inside "Files" you can upload | 12:24 |
| maddler | sorry... | 12:24 |
| maddler | damn... I was frightened N800 usb port wasn't working! I just pluged in the wrong cable! :D | 12:25 |
| maddler | DOH! | 12:25 |
| keesj | maddler: I don't see where | 12:26 |
| maddler | keesj: after opening the File tab... | 12:26 |
| maddler | you should see a "Quick upload" button... | 12:27 |
| maddler | is it there? | 12:27 |
| keesj | no | 12:27 |
| maddler | mumble... | 12:27 |
| keesj | and it is called files on my machine | 12:27 |
| maddler | let me check permissions... | 12:27 |
| keesj | yes please :) | 12:27 |
| maddler | :) | 12:27 |
| keesj | I need to spread the word | 12:28 |
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| maddler | keesj: check now... | 12:35 |
| keesj | I can see the upload button , but I have2 keesj directories and one Notices | 12:36 |
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| maddler | 2? | 12:36 |
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| fish | http://www.cyberport.de/default/4753/1140/0/0/gps-module.html <- which gps mouse would you buy for (especially for maemo, but i want to use it on my laptop too) | 12:43 |
| nomis | fish: I use the RBT-3000, which also has standalone-logging facilities. It works, but is not really slim. | 12:45 |
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| maddler | fish: Holux 236 or 240 | 12:45 |
| maddler | 236 should be priced under 90 eur. | 12:46 |
| keesj | maddler: will a more thing cut the text for the preview or is it something else? | 12:47 |
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| maddler | <!--more--> | 12:48 |
| maddler | yes :) | 12:48 |
| fish | nomis: well, standalone logging is nice... | 12:48 |
| nomis | fish: it is not the latest Sirf Chip though. | 12:49 |
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| fish | http://www.gps-total.de/GPS-Empfaenger/Data-Logger:::2_54.html <- they look nice too.. both have standalone logging | 13:07 |
| fish | but they dont have sirf but something compatible... | 13:07 |
| nomis | fish: plus I know that there is Linux-Software for the RBT-3000 - I helped writing it :) | 13:09 |
| fish | nomis: i thought this gps bluetooth is pretty generic? for what do you need a special software? | 13:10 |
| nomis | fish: GPS bluetooth runs via Bluetooth serial profile. If you receive the standard NMEA sentences everything is fine. However, logging functionality is not standardized in any way afaik. | 13:11 |
| fish | nomis: ah okay... | 13:11 |
| Juhaz | the basic functionality is generic, but some chipsets have extra features, and accuracy, etc obviously varies by implementation | 13:11 |
| fish | http://www4.in.tum.de/~narboux/misc/wintec.html <- that looks pretty good.. | 13:13 |
| Juhaz | what are you planning on using it for? | 13:13 |
| fish | well, primaly for playing around with it ;) | 13:15 |
| fish | i want to use it for my n770 but also on my laptop.. and something like logging would be very nice to have | 13:15 |
| fish | if there is some device which can display your position that would be very nice too but i think that would be much more expensive | 13:17 |
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| kkito | hello | 13:18 |
| Juhaz | well, for playing around it probably doesn't matter and they indeed are pretty generic | 13:19 |
| fish | well, it must run on linux, thats very important | 13:20 |
| fish | but it looks like the wbt-100 or wbt-200 is a good choice for that.. it speaks NMEA and gpsbabel supports the logging stuff | 13:22 |
| tigert | keesj: tango-project has some SVG icons of monitors | 13:23 |
| maddler | keesj: reading your post on www.maemopeople.org sounds interesting... :D | 13:23 |
| tigert | keesj: http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/devices/video-display.svg | 13:24 |
| maddler | tigert: I had some troubles with theme-cacher... | 13:24 |
| tigert | or ask on #tango | 13:24 |
| tigert | maddler: oh? | 13:24 |
| maddler | after installing it at first theme wasn't applied to keyboard... | 13:24 |
| maddler | then the theme applied theme to the keyboard was the "previously selected" theme... | 13:25 |
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| maddler | then... after some back and forth among various themes everything is fixed... | 13:25 |
| keesj | tigert: thanks | 13:27 |
| maddler | btw... plamkton is a wonderful theme!!! | 13:29 |
| keesj | maddler: I had comment that the reply preview was unreadable, can I change the stylesheet somewhere? | 13:29 |
| tigert | maddler: thanks | 13:30 |
| tigert | people are liking it a lot | 13:30 |
| tigert | I need to fix the remainign bugs | 13:30 |
| tigert | and I want to try a version with less paddings | 13:30 |
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| kkito | isnt pixel doubling running on the n800? | 13:32 |
| kkito | impossible to do a 400x240 to fullscreen on n800? | 13:33 |
| kulve | kkito: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=996 | 13:37 |
| kkito | kulve, :_(. do you know where the new maemo for n800 will be released? | 13:38 |
| kkito | when xD | 13:38 |
| kulve | no idea | 13:40 |
| kkito | well i made a cps2emu, gngeo, and quake2 ports to n800, but in full resolution they run slow, and setting the resolution to 400x240 they has good performance but the image is so tinny on the screen, double pixel support is a must have! | 13:42 |
| kkito | i dont know why nokia didnt implement lower native resolutions for multimedia and games | 13:43 |
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| kulve | there is only one native resolution for lcd | 13:47 |
| kulve | but is there another way to set the pixel doubling? | 13:48 |
| [mbm] | might not be a hardware scaler | 13:51 |
| keesj | what is Movial Carousel UI | 13:52 |
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| zuh | It's a demo UI concept we're hacking on (though that name is a working name that was already abandoned...) | 13:55 |
| zuh | I'd tell you more but I'd have to kill you ;) | 13:55 |
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| tigert | you'd have to attend the conference I guess | 13:56 |
| tigert | :) | 13:56 |
| tigert | according to google | 13:57 |
| keesj | that is where I get my information from , | 13:57 |
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| keesj | Movial Carousel UI: As open as maemo, as cool as iPhone | 13:57 |
| tigert | yep | 13:57 |
| keesj | as cool as maemo as open as iPhone | 13:58 |
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| keesj | no way , if I go to brasil, hope to do other stuff :p | 13:59 |
| * zuh . o O ( I can't believe Sampo actually submitted that punchline... ) | 14:00 | |
| Jaffa | So, we're claiming Maemo's open now :) | 14:00 |
| keesj | lol | 14:00 |
| tigert | heh | 14:04 |
| Veggen | Jaffa: well...it *is* fairly open. | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | Although an iPhone-like UI library (mmm, Canola) would be cool | 14:05 |
| Veggen | They're not totally there yet, but the things open source, they release source for, and they do releases API and developer docs, although could always do more. | 14:05 |
| Veggen | All in all, I'd say fairly open. | 14:05 |
| Veggen | to be a phone vendor, extremely open ;P | 14:05 |
| * zulla has submitted a "dream scenario" to the maemo-developers maemo list and wonders if it's too naive... | 14:06 | |
| zulla | Veggen: Yes, but it could be more open, still. | 14:06 |
| zulla | Veggen: If I understood Harald Welte of gpl-violations.org correctly, the current release policy of Maemo isn't exactly GPL compliant. | 14:07 |
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| zulla | Veggen: But I could be wrong. And yes, I'm extremely happy ith what Nokia did so far, so I'm not complaining here. | 14:07 |
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| * zuh would take a binary blob for the PowerVR any day if it gives a +20fps fullscreen hw-accelerated cairo-goodness... | 14:10 | |
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| robtaylor | zuh: and it means using 2.4 and your kernel crashing regularly? | 14:11 |
| robtaylor | s/it/if it/ | 14:11 |
| suihkulokki | zuh: i think it | 14:12 |
| keesj | robtaylor: yes , I would, | 14:12 |
| suihkulokki | arr | 14:12 |
| suihkulokki | it's a great if. MBX isn't afaik designed for 800x480 displays | 14:12 |
| konttori | Is it just me or is the VBA running really slow on N800? | 14:13 |
| zuh | robtaylor: Given the context (N800), it would implicitly mean a 2.6 version of the drivers naturally | 14:15 |
| zuh | robtaylor: And since this is fantasy world talk anyway, it wouldn't crash! | 14:15 |
| zuh | ;) | 14:15 |
| robtaylor | heh :) | 14:15 |
| zuh | And my device boots ~once a day anyway so if it wouldn't exeed that... :P | 14:16 |
| zulla | konttori: yes, vba is really slow on my n800. But it ain't really fast on my x86 laptop, either, so I'm not surprised. | 14:17 |
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| bergie | X-Fade: ping | 14:17 |
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| kkito | zulla, vba? | 14:18 |
| konttori | visual boy advance | 14:18 |
| kkito | ah ko... that emu is not optimized | 14:18 |
| kkito | i think that there arnt a good gba emu optimized for arm devices | 14:19 |
| kkito | althought gngeo and cps2emu runs fine | 14:19 |
| konttori | Yeah. ngage ran snes emu at full speed (well, almost full), so perhaps someone could port that to maemo. | 14:19 |
| konttori | kkito: isn't there a good one for the gp2x? | 14:19 |
| kkito | there arent a good gba emu for the gp2x | 14:20 |
| konttori | Yeah, noticed: http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/GBA_Emulation | 14:21 |
| zuh | robtaylor: And, although the official word on their site is "no plans", I would find it pretty hard to believe that Imagination Technologies would just go "2.4 is good enough for everyone" and pretend that 2.6 doesn't exist... Maybe it's just that nobody paid for the 2.6 drivers yet ;) | 14:21 |
| konttori | I just figured they guys would have the incentive to focus on optimizing such a emu | 14:21 |
| konttori | they guys... those guys even | 14:22 |
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| kkito | i submit a bug report related to the powervr on the maemo bugzilla | 14:23 |
| tigert | hi konttori | 14:24 |
| tigert | been a while :) | 14:24 |
| Toma- | Ive got a nokia 770 in the mail.. is it good for watching videos? :> | 14:24 |
| konttori | tigert: yeah. Been quite buys fixing my parents new flat. ... and working. | 14:25 |
| tigert | konttori: ok | 14:25 |
| tigert | konttori: saw the theme? :) | 14:25 |
| konttori | I haven't even had the time to do anything on my N800 ... not even install apps besides fbreader. | 14:25 |
| tigert | finally got it done. now I need to do a 770 version | 14:25 |
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| tigert | konttori: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ | 14:26 |
| kulve | kkito: it would be open gl ES, if anything. And I think there would be 2 separate issues. Kernel driver allowing access to powerVR MBX and the open gl ES stack | 14:26 |
| konttori | tigert: yeah, I saw that you had released it and saw the screencap. I haven't installed it yet though | 14:26 |
| konttori | Will do now. | 14:26 |
| tigert | cool | 14:26 |
| tigert | install cacher first | 14:26 |
| tigert | oh | 14:26 |
| tigert | keesj said he had some problems with it | 14:26 |
| * tigert reads scrollback | 14:26 | |
| konttori | yeah. And theme maker now supports multiple templates and | 14:26 |
| tigert | no wait | 14:26 |
| tigert | it was maddler | 14:27 |
| konttori | ? | 14:27 |
| tigert | that had problems with theme caching | 14:27 |
| tigert | it seems sometimes certain apps do not switch the theme if they are running | 14:27 |
| tigert | so a reboot is a sure way to make everything switch | 14:27 |
| konttori | sounds a bit odd. | 14:28 |
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| konttori | ok, plankton installed, teting... looks really nice. Love it! | 14:30 |
| konttori | at the very top, there is a light blue line going up until the part where the status bar applets are and continues after them. Looks slightly off. Hey, not like dissing the theme in any way, it's just suberb! | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Are those 16 bits bands in your theme intentional? | 14:34 |
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| bergie | X-Fade: there is a CSS issue with the planet styles | 14:34 |
| bergie | it doesn't support multi-line titles | 14:34 |
| robster | tigert: plankton rocks. do you have a funky background to go with it? | 14:34 |
| tigert | X-Fade: no | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Or is that because you did it in 32 bits? | 14:34 |
| Toma- | With Xsession forwarding via SHH can you run stuff like e17? | 14:34 |
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| tigert | X-Fade: I need to dither it | 14:34 |
| tigert | its a work in progress | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Ah ;) | 14:35 |
| Toma- | *ssh | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | tigert: I didn't notice it before. Only at high brightness.. | 14:35 |
| kkito | if someone didnt see my quetoo port to the n800... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPh2Os0D8pY :P | 14:35 |
| tigert | X-Fade: yea, I tried to hide it with the stripes | 14:35 |
| tigert | but it didnt quite work | 14:35 |
| tigert | the screen is a bit cranky on those | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Do have an example page? | 14:36 |
| konttori | kkito: wicked! How's the control? works well? | 14:36 |
| kkito | konttori, the demo runs faster than ingame | 14:36 |
| tigert | kkito: you should get a wiimote | 14:36 |
| kkito | i must to set a lower resolution to be playable but is playable | 14:36 |
| tigert | and hook it up to this with bluetooth | 14:36 |
| robtaylor | kkito: very cool :) | 14:36 |
| bergie | X-Fade: nope, but a screenshot: http://www.nehmer.net/~bergie/planet-maemo-multiline-bug.png | 14:36 |
| tigert | and then you can aim with it? | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | bergie: I can't access test.maemo.org anymore. So I can't help you guys out :( | 14:37 |
| tigert | garg | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Somebody put it behind password protection ;( | 14:37 |
| tigert | wtf? | 14:37 |
| bergie | X-Fade: don't you have garage account? | 14:37 |
| tigert | mail ferenc and ask? | 14:38 |
| kkito | i mapped the "gamepad" keys to the left/right/up/down keyboard keys, the view is controleld by mouse (touchscreen) and you fire with the fullscreen button, you can jumo making a "click" (tapping on the screen)... | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Ah duh :) | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | That worked ;) | 14:38 |
| konttori | kkito: resolution isn't that important. q2... man... cool. Someone should port OGL to N800 so we could have accelerated Q2. | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | Still weird though :) | 14:38 |
| konttori | kkito: controls sound just the best you can get on n800 | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Do we want multiline titles or should we hide them? | 14:39 |
| keesj | kkito: wow | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Everything that doesn't fit on the first line, I mean. | 14:40 |
| tigert | X-Fade: I think it should just wrap ok if needed? | 14:42 |
| tigert | and we can make the font smaller too | 14:42 |
| tigert | to make them fit better, it does not need to be that large | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Yeah, that would be ok.. | 14:42 |
| tigert | hm. gmail is open for everyone now | 14:44 |
| tigert | afaik | 14:44 |
| etrunko | kkito: is it using SDL? | 14:51 |
| zuh | kkito: And most importantly, where do we get it?-) | 14:52 |
| konttori | t3 was pretty harsh on n800. Not enough ad fees from nokia, I believe ;) http://www.t3.co.uk/reviews/communication/other/nokia_n800 | 14:52 |
| keesj | it looks so fast, I just can't believe it | 14:53 |
| valtsu | konttori: I'll release vincent this week | 14:54 |
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| valtsu | konttori: it's software ogl es stack, so it's not accelerated | 14:55 |
| konttori | valtsu: sorry for my ignorance, but as I've been away from IT stuff, what is vincent? | 14:55 |
| konttori | OGL? | 14:55 |
| keesj | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ogl-es ? | 14:55 |
| valtsu | konttori: http://ogl-es.sourceforge.net/ | 14:55 |
| konttori | cool. does it support N800:s hardware acceleration? | 14:56 |
| valtsu | nope | 14:56 |
| valtsu | for that we need to get nokia to release a driver for the pover vr | 14:56 |
| Guardian | n800 has no hardware acceleration right ? | 14:57 |
| valtsu | it has but it's disabled | 14:57 |
| zuh | Guardian: No driver for one | 14:57 |
| Guardian | oh | 14:57 |
| Guardian | which kind of hardware acceleration is it ? | 14:57 |
| konttori | zuh: Is nokia able to provide such a driver without paying extra to somebody? | 14:57 |
| valtsu | dunno if that pover vr would conflict with epson | 14:58 |
| zuh | konttori: no | 14:58 |
| valtsu | konttori: no | 14:58 |
| valtsu | I wonder why they don't sell the driver as add on | 14:58 |
| valtsu | that way people who are interested in it would get it | 14:58 |
| valtsu | and then we maybe would see some games/apps using it and more people could by it | 14:59 |
| zuh | And at least officially there is no PowerVR driver for 2.6 kernels | 14:59 |
| suihkulokki | not to mention nobody even knows if the chip gives anykind of usefull performance at 800x480.. afaik the chip is designed for qvga displays | 14:59 |
| konttori | zuh: so, probably we won't be seeing the driver at all. Is the price public information (the price range that nokia might have to pay per device)? | 14:59 |
| zuh | konttori: Dunno... | 14:59 |
| valtsu | suihkulokki: it would be definetely faster than any software stack | 14:59 |
| kulve | I asked about this from imagination tech and they said they are in a middle discussions. But that could have been pretty PR talk.. | 15:00 |
| keesj | still what kind of framerates does the q2 game render in this full screen mode? | 15:00 |
| valtsu | but anyway I did package the vincent already but I need to get my ass to london so I'll probably create a garage project on sunday | 15:01 |
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| kulve | well, the phrase was "[we] are actively discussing this issue" | 15:01 |
| valtsu | keesj: with 770 you can use pixel doubling | 15:01 |
| konttori | valtsu: cool anyway. Does it runn well on low poly stuff in fullscreen? | 15:01 |
| valtsu | konttori: http://www.rahkonen.fi/demo/ | 15:02 |
| valtsu | cube rotating with texturing ~72 fps | 15:02 |
| konttori | cool. downloading... | 15:02 |
| valtsu | ~52 in 770 but then of course that supports pixel doubling so full screen is the same | 15:03 |
| kulve | valtsu: btw. It seems that the X doesn't refresh more that 20fps | 15:03 |
| valtsu | kulve: yes, but you need to get fps high so that you can put more polys on it | 15:04 |
| kulve | sure | 15:04 |
| valtsu | that cube has 12 polys | 15:04 |
| valtsu | konttori: you need to run it with "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./gtk-test" | 15:05 |
| valtsu | konttori: or something | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Ok, I have committed a fix for the title problem. | 15:05 |
| valtsu | and the full screen is broken on 800 because of the pixel doubling | 15:05 |
| konttori | valtsu: got it working. cool. | 15:06 |
| konttori | valtsu: was working just by chmodding | 15:06 |
| konttori | although grass is missing. penguin works though | 15:06 |
| bergie | X-Fade: works, thanks! | 15:06 |
| valtsu | hopefully that was the semi working version ;) | 15:07 |
| valtsu | konttori: there is a menu where you can change the texture | 15:07 |
| bergie | X-Fade: BTW, would you mind if I copy this planet style to make a more generic "midgard powered planet" template? | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Sure, images have been done by tigert though. So if he's ok with it. | 15:08 |
| keesj | it works on my n800 | 15:08 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, must resist sarcasm on maemo-users: "which is more recent, version 2.xxx or version 3.xxxx?" | 15:09 |
| keesj | 2.2 is more recent in time | 15:10 |
| kkito | valtsu, did you compile the egl lib for the 770 or for the n800 ? | 15:10 |
| keesj | valtsu: will the performance remain the same for alpha textures? | 15:10 |
| valtsu | kkito: it should work on both | 15:10 |
| konttori | imgtech makes it sound like they even don't have linux drivers for 2.6: http://www.imgtec.com/Downloads/DocumentDownloads/index.asp?Page=PowerVRDrivers.asp | 15:11 |
| valtsu | kkito: it depends on what version is there as I built one with n800 cflags too | 15:11 |
| valtsu | keesj: dunno | 15:11 |
| robster | konttori: i don't think they do. | 15:11 |
| kkito | valtsu, but if it is compiled with the hw floating point support perhaps it has more fps with the n800 | 15:12 |
| kulve | kkito: I think vincent won't benefit from those | 15:12 |
| valtsu | vincent uses jit and has some own float -> fixed trasnformations so difference is pretty minimal | 15:12 |
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| konttori | so, even if nokia would have paid the dosh, there wouldn't be any drivers for quite a while. Or is there something new on the subject? | 15:12 |
| valtsu | all math is done on fixed | 15:12 |
| kkito | it is optimized for arm? | 15:13 |
| kulve | armv5 iirc | 15:14 |
| keesj | and 16bpp :p | 15:14 |
| kulve | but not for armv6 | 15:14 |
| valtsu | yeah, it should be somewhat faster with xscale because it supports intels optimized math library | 15:14 |
| valtsu | keesj: that linux implementation (X made by me) at least ;) | 15:14 |
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| valtsu | but anyway... I need to pack and get my ass to airport... see you | 15:15 |
| valtsu | all | 15:15 |
| konttori | have a good trip! | 15:15 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: they were talking about product images, not Maemo releases. | 15:16 |
| kkito | valtsu, but it is compiled with the armv5 flag or it's written with armv5 asm? | 15:17 |
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| Guardian | did someone already come up with a script that installs the scratchbox virtual packages when installing bora manuall ? | 15:17 |
| Guardian | y | 15:17 |
| konttori | kkito: I would imagine it's asm stuff. | 15:17 |
| kulve | vincent has some sort of code generator that creates armv5 asm | 15:18 |
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| MoRpHeUz | anybody had success using gstreamer to play stream from vlc ? I just could play using mplayer... | 16:08 |
| robtaylor | MoRpHeUz: do you know what the stream is? RTSP? | 16:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: http | 16:09 |
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| robtaylor | gst-launch-0.10 neon ! decodebin ! xvimagesink ? | 16:13 |
| nomis | can someone with an N800 please try the following: | 16:14 |
| nomis | remove the "Sound" applet from the statusbar and then invoke the Sound Controlpanel and try to change the volume. | 16:14 |
| robtaylor | or, more accurately gst-launch-0.10 neonhttpsrc uri=http://whatever ! decodebin ! xvimagesink | 16:14 |
| nomis | Does the volume actually change? | 16:14 |
| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: was trying: gst-launch-0.10 neon ! decodebin ! xvimagesink | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | nomis: remove applet? how? | 16:16 |
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| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: will try the last one you said... | 16:17 |
| nomis | X-Fade: In the "navigation" controlpanel, the second tab. | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Ah duh, in navigation :) | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | Hmm that disconnects wifi ;) | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | duh :) | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | But then the volume control doesn't work indeed... | 16:18 |
| nomis | huh? | 16:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: didnt work again...freezes at: "Pipeline is PREROLLING ..." | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | nomis: I got a 'connected to xxxx' banner once. Can be just a coincidence.. | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | But volume control doesn't work when you remove the sound icon.. | 16:20 |
| robtaylor | MoRpHeUz: sure the stream is valid? | 16:20 |
| robtaylor | MoRpHeUz: and what format video is in the stream? | 16:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: using mpeg1 as encap. mode, with mp1v for video and mpga for audio, I can play on mplayer... | 16:21 |
| robtaylor | MoRpHeUz: you'll have to read up on gst-inspect and gst-launch and have a play around | 16:23 |
| robtaylor | its strange decodebin doesn't figure it out tho | 16:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: yeah..that's what I'm doing but without success =( | 16:23 |
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| nomis | X-Fade: thanks, that is the volume-related behaviour what I am seeing as well. I just don't get it - looks like a real bug. | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | nomis: I think they de-register the volume dbus signals? | 16:26 |
| nomis | X-Fade: I have not yet seen any dbus-stuff related to volume. For now I just see gconf stuff. | 16:27 |
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| X-Fade | Anyway, I think you found a real bug ;) | 16:27 |
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| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: now it worked on my machine but not on n800 | 16:37 |
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| robtaylor | MoRpHeUz: ah, must the be mpeg1 codec the n800 uses | 16:39 |
| waite | ANyone know how long maemo.org is down for? | 16:40 |
| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: I could play using the same options on vlc using n800's mplayer....but not it's media player | 16:40 |
| Toma- | Which is better, VNC or ssh X forwarding? | 16:45 |
| wumpus | vnc is more suited to slower networks | 16:46 |
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| wumpus | and if the connetion drops, the programs don't close | 16:46 |
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| wumpus | so I'd say VNC | 16:46 |
| Toma- | ahh k. so on a highspeed wifi ssh would be better? | 16:46 |
| wumpus | you mean X | 16:47 |
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| konttori | I'd say vnc all the way. Works on all platforms and is easy to setup. | 16:47 |
| wumpus | you'd still tunnel VNC over ssh I suppose? | 16:47 |
| Toma- | well, yeh | 16:47 |
| Toma- | ahh right | 16:47 |
| Toma- | pity theres no NX client :< | 16:47 |
| wumpus | through the extra layer of cryptography probably slows it down very much | 16:48 |
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| wumpus | haven't tried yet | 16:48 |
| Toma- | someone tried porting... looks like licencing stoppped it | 16:48 |
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| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: n800's gstreamer doesnt have any demux for mpeg1 audio+video ? or mpeg ts ? | 16:54 |
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| robtaylor | MoRpHeUz: no idea, gst-inspect and see | 17:01 |
| MoRpHeUz | ok | 17:01 |
| MoRpHeUz | thanks | 17:02 |
| robtaylor | MoRpHeUz: you might need to build fluendo's mpegts plugin | 17:02 |
| MoRpHeUz | hmm | 17:03 |
| keesj | +keesj: they were talking about product images, not Maemo releases. | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | FM radio instructions for N800: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/02/07/n800_fm_radio | 17:10 |
| glassss | huh | 17:10 |
| keesj | what product images? | 17:11 |
| nomis | wow. | 17:11 |
| kkito | Jaffa, :) | 17:11 |
| konttori | cool | 17:12 |
| keesj | what a scoop! | 17:13 |
| konttori | why wasn't this on launch day? | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | The deb is only a few hours old :) | 17:15 |
| konttori | Yeah, but it would have been good pr stuff for launch day as well. | 17:15 |
| glassss | yeah strange to not include such feature on launch day or on the product box | 17:16 |
| zuh | Too bad it doesn't pick up anything here... :/ | 17:16 |
| keesj | and now we can start searching for the gsm chip | 17:16 |
| keesj | it really looks like an fm radio | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | It really works though :) | 17:17 |
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| zuh | X-Fade: Did you find a channel with it?-) | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | zuh: Yep. | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | Need a headphone for reception. But plays via speakers.. | 17:19 |
| * zuh wonders where to attach the antenna... ;) | 17:19 | |
| X-Fade | headphone == antenna | 17:19 |
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| X-Fade | Just like every other nokia phone | 17:19 |
| waite | zuh the headphones act as antenna | 17:19 |
| tzz | so now we wait for the GUI, and bitch about how it doesn't have station bookmarks, right? :) | 17:19 |
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| keesj | we have sound ! | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | tzz: it has a gui.. | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | tzz: You can even save presets.. | 17:20 |
| tzz | the applet, I know, I mean the official release | 17:20 |
| tzz | oh it does, damn it | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | It has an applet and a full scren app ;) | 17:20 |
| tzz | nothing to complain about | 17:20 |
| * inz listens to YleX on his N800 | 17:20 | |
| tzz | inz: I tried zsh and it didn't finish the postinstall scripts. They use zsh themselves. I had to manually edit them, else dpkg was hosed. | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | Radio538 here ;) | 17:21 |
| tzz | inz: I'm not sure what was wrong, didn't have time to investigate this morning. | 17:22 |
| inz | tzz, yeah, I had the same problems | 17:23 |
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| inz | tzz, if you find out, what's wrong, please tell me, so I can update the package | 17:23 |
| keesj | you nokia people must has so much fun waiting for people to find this | 17:23 |
| kkito | nice n800 can replace my car radio :P | 17:23 |
| keesj | do you think I would support rms and such? | 17:24 |
| keesj | trafic information? | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | So.. Tomorrow they secretly add PowerVR support? :) | 17:24 |
| tzz | inz: I will check it out. I need my BT keyboard to do real work, here at work I don't have one. | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | keesj: TMC? | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | That would be sweet :) | 17:25 |
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| konttori | with this radio, I might consider using Nokias virtual radio. | 17:26 |
| konttori | They should port that. | 17:26 |
| konttori | DoH Visual radio | 17:27 |
| nomis | Hmm, no RDS support... :) | 17:27 |
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| X-Fade | btw did you guys notice the Valentine Theme? | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/certified/pool/bora/user/t/theme-valentine/theme-valentine_1.0-2_all.deb | 17:31 |
| nomis | X-Fade: are there screenshots? | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | Moment ;) | 17:32 |
| matt_c | my N800 seems to be in this bizarre reboot cycle. | 17:32 |
| Molagi | inz whats the frequency for ylex? | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | It is pretty pink :) | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | nomis: yea, damnit - I want RDS ;-) | 17:33 |
| keesj | X-Fade: sorry I was not referring to Stallman but to RDS | 17:33 |
| inz | Molagi, depends where you are | 17:34 |
| Molagi | helsinki | 17:35 |
| matt_c | hrm, are there any tricks to getting the battery out of the N800? | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | http://breet.com/maemo/valentine.png | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | OMFG it is pink :) | 17:35 |
| nomis | yikes | 17:36 |
| inz | Molagi, 91,9 | 17:36 |
| Molagi | ok thx | 17:36 |
| * nomis does not bother downloading. | 17:36 | |
| Robot101 | matt_c: take the back off then just whack the device (battery down) into your hand | 17:36 |
| Robot101 | matt_c: battery flies out | 17:36 |
| keesj | X-Fade: how did you end up with two radio applets on the desktop? | 17:36 |
| matt_c | Robot101: nice, thanks. It seems to be lodged in there pretty well, which is a good thing unless you want to remove it :) | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | keesj: One if FM and the other is streaming.. | 17:37 |
| Robot101 | (well, cup your hand so you stop the device but the battery wants to keep on going, don't just hit your hand repeatedly :D) | 17:37 |
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| Jaffa | Eugh, pink not good. | 17:38 |
| matt_c | Robot101: ha. Yeah, that did the trick, now to figure out why it keeps rebooting. | 17:38 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm the TEA5761 has RDS support :) | 17:40 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: interesting :) | 17:40 |
| X-Fade | Ah no it doesnt.. | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | That is the 5764 | 17:41 |
| ferulo | dude, it has a FM Radio :) | 17:41 |
| maddler | Jaffa: where those 55 views on your post come from? are you cheating? :D | 17:43 |
| * maddler wonders if we've got something else to discover here... | 17:43 | |
| Jaffa | maddler: posted a link on ITT ;-) | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | maddler: Forgot to check if you'd written about it already | 17:44 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 17:44 |
| maddler | no problem... :D | 17:45 |
| maddler | I'm just happy if more and more people know about maemopeople.prg | 17:45 |
| maddler | s/prg/org/ | 17:45 |
| maddler | I really don't care about being first... | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | Hmm FM radio and streaming auto at the same time also works ;) | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | *audio | 17:46 |
| keesj | fm radio will probably no use cpu righ? | 17:46 |
| glassss | it's cpu free unless it's done very stupidly.. or in some ultra clever fashion that saves components that i fail to see | 17:47 |
| maddler | keesj: CPU consumption should be ~0% | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | Anybody an idea why OMAP McSPI is almost always in top? Using .5%-1.5% cpu orso.. | 17:50 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: I should find a way to block anonymous comments... | 17:55 |
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| Jaffa | maddler: you got one? | 17:56 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 17:56 |
| maddler | I'm getting some spam | 17:57 |
| maddler | and i need to manually delete... | 17:57 |
| maddler | disabling anon comments would help keeping robots outside... | 17:58 |
| keesj | maddler: those are just people who dislike you , my comments are currently open (I think, but I have no problem yet) | 17:59 |
| maddler | keesj: hehehe... no... is some porn spam... | 17:59 |
| maddler | keesj: only a few right now... | 18:00 |
| keesj | so it's not realle spam :p | 18:00 |
| maddler | but getting 10s would be annoying... | 18:00 |
| maddler | keesj: hahaha... | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | maddler: ok, so it's people who *like* you. A lot. | 18:01 |
| kkito | do you know where i can find airodumo and company n800 packages? | 18:04 |
| keesj | the airodump stuff? | 18:04 |
| maddler | Jaffa: hahaha... yeah! :D | 18:04 |
| kkito | keesj, yes | 18:04 |
| maddler | I should repackage it for N800... should give a try to MUD maybe... | 18:05 |
| keesj | try contacting maddler@maddler.net | 18:05 |
| keesj | see http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 | 18:05 |
| kkito | keesj, thx | 18:06 |
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| Jaffa | maddler@maddler.net? Hmm, that sounds familiar. | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | Ooh, look - a maddler here :) | 18:07 |
| maddler | hehehehehe... | 18:08 |
| maddler | yep... that could be me... :D | 18:08 |
| maddler | _could_ | 18:08 |
| matt_c | has anyone experienced a reboot loop on their N800? I can't seem to find a way to get mine to boot now. | 18:10 |
| maddler | nope... | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | matt_c: try disabling the lifeguard reset with the Linux flasher | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | matt_c: Did you try to disable liveguard-reset? | 18:11 |
| keesj | \ | 18:11 |
| sbaturzio | is there a way to talk with Nokia assistance in Finland? A friend sent his N800 in assistance and he has no info about it | 18:11 |
| matt_c | Jaffa/X-Fade: thanks,. will try. | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | jaffa's spelling is better ;) | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | :) | 18:11 |
| wumpus | matt_c: you didn't install the busybox update, didy ou? | 18:12 |
| wumpus | mine got in a reboot loop after that and the only way I got out of it was by reflashing the device, then enabling r&d mode | 18:12 |
| matt_c | wumpus: aha! that's it. | 18:13 |
| matt_c | it's weird though since it was fine for several hours afterward. Time to find my USB cable. | 18:13 |
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| wumpus | the busybox update has been messing up people's n800's for quite a while | 18:15 |
| wumpus | I wonder why they don't remove it | 18:15 |
| wumpus | seems like something anyone that is new to maemo should fall for :p | 18:15 |
| keesj | Jaffa, funny I don't even see in on planet.maemo.org how is that possible? | 18:16 |
| matt_c | wumpus: it's sad that I fell for it then. | 18:17 |
| part | I thought busybox was already fixed | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | keesj: planet seems to have not updated recently. | 18:23 |
| zulla | Jaffa: I have deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ bora user - yet I cannot install fmradio. | 18:23 |
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| maddler | zulla: deb http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/certified bora user | 18:27 |
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| zulla | thanks. | 18:28 |
| maddler | you are welcome... | 18:29 |
| zulla | where the heck does this radio app come from? | 18:29 |
| maddler | I'd say from Nokia, somehow... | 18:29 |
| |tbb|_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3952&highlight=hidden | 18:30 |
| |tbb|_ | lol i was waiting for that | 18:30 |
| |tbb|_ | waiting for tv on the go support :) | 18:31 |
| zulla | tbb: I'd rather want to see DSP-accelerated video playback | 18:32 |
| * zulla is dreaming of 800x480 @ 30fps video playback... | 18:32 | |
| * matt_c flashes. | 18:33 | |
| |tbb|_ | from the hardware it should be possible isnt it so ? | 18:33 |
| Robot101 | zulla: actually that's not impossible even without the DSP | 18:33 |
| Robot101 | zulla: it's tricky. sure, but might happen... ;) | 18:33 |
| glassss | tv would be ultra nice | 18:34 |
| keesj | yes , and jet propultion too | 18:35 |
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| keesj | the n800 is a better flyer then the 770 (so I head) | 18:35 |
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| matt_c | wumpus: thanks again for the tip... looks like all is well after a reflash | 18:39 |
| zuh | keesj: With the camera and the stand closed or open...?-) | 18:40 |
| zuh | I guess the stand would offer better grip for the throw... | 18:40 |
| |tbb|_ | anyway to get fm working without headphones? | 18:41 |
| konttori | zulla: try the 400x480 resolution. Looks pretty stunning as well. | 18:42 |
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| konttori | You can use media converter to convert to that rez: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=26 | 18:44 |
| garrett | what is the fmradio package for? | 18:44 |
| konttori | ttb: there's no antenna. Thus you need headphones connected. There's icon at bottom left of the app taht you can use to switch to headphones and the speakers. | 18:44 |
| garrett | oh, I see, the forum link | 18:45 |
| konttori | garrett: fm radio in N800 | 18:45 |
| garrett | so can you use any headphones? | 18:45 |
| keesj | the headphone that came with the device is a 3.5 mm jack with 4 contact (one for the mic). I don't know if a normal jack will work , I hope so | 18:47 |
| keesj | Jaffa: "they" control the media and every time Quim Gil posts it stays there for hours | 18:48 |
| konttori | I think any normal headset will work. The ground is probably used as the antenna | 18:48 |
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| |tbb| | if the fmradio not consumed cpu power then you could hear many hours, isnt it? | 18:52 |
| lle2 | zuh: with 770 best I've seen was around 45 meters or so, I think. | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | does the mythical fmradio really exist? | 18:55 |
| |tbb| | yes | 18:55 |
| zulla | keesj: They could give Quim Gil the headline spot and still update Planet.Maemo... | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 18:56 |
| |tbb| | keesj: why the output volume on the internal speaker while listen to fm isnt that loud as u hear internet radio | 18:58 |
| |tbb| | any idea? | 18:58 |
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| zuh | lle2: Hmm, that's pretty much. I think that's over my rubberboot throwing record (and those things can fly pretty well with the right spin and wind conditions)... | 18:59 |
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| garrett | how do you start fmradio once it is installed? (I don't see it in the menus) | 19:01 |
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| |tbb| | garrett: via home applet | 19:01 |
| kkito | garrett, add the widget to the desktop | 19:01 |
| |tbb| | i remember reading thougtfix report after he opened the n800 and he says there isnt a easteregg in the n800 i gave my hope up for a fm radio :) | 19:03 |
| lle2 | zuh: regrettably our measuring technique was entirely unscientific. but they did fly really well, a bit like a boomerang, depending on the spin | 19:04 |
| garrett | wow, this is cool | 19:05 |
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| |tbb| | i aggree | 19:05 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 19:06 |
| maddler | Andy80: heya... | 19:06 |
| Andy80 | anyone experience this error launching "af-sb-init.sh start" ? You can find the complete output here: http://pastebin.ca/344249 | 19:07 |
| Andy80 | hi maddler :) | 19:07 |
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| zuh | |tbb|: If it's true that it's on the same chip that the bt stuff it could explain the mistake he made... | 19:08 |
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| garrett | it's a bit of a pain to select the frequency | 19:09 |
| garrett | but I guess once you finally have it set up, having radio presets is nice | 19:09 |
| maddler | garrett: yep... being able to directly imput it would have been nicer... | 19:09 |
| maddler | hmmm... | 19:09 |
| |tbb| | garrett way to go, use your scratchbox | 19:09 |
| garrett | hmm, speaking of playlists, it seems my media player playlists were wiped out | 19:10 |
| [mbm] | hmm fmradio? | 19:11 |
| |tbb| | btw, setup alarm with radio would also be nice | 19:11 |
| garrett | |tbb|: yeah | 19:12 |
| garrett | [mbm]: yup | 19:12 |
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| garrett | [mbm]: it's pretty neat | 19:12 |
| [mbm] | garrett: some sort of streaming via internet thing? (don't think these have fm hardware) | 19:12 |
| garrett | just needs a better UI (; | 19:12 |
| garrett | [mbm]: there's already streaming via Internet | 19:12 |
| garrett | this is actual FM radio | 19:12 |
| [mbm] | wow | 19:12 |
| garrett | you need headphones plugged in to make it work, but you can switch to internal speakers too | 19:12 |
| garrett | (in the app) | 19:13 |
| |tbb| | i hope plugin a fmtransmitter via headphone jack will also work as antenna | 19:14 |
| matt_c | does that app get put in the 'Extras' folder? | 19:14 |
| garrett | matt_c: I think you can only launch it via a widget on your desktop | 19:15 |
| garrett | "applet" even | 19:15 |
| matt_c | garrett: oh nice. | 19:15 |
| garrett | so no menu entry it seems | 19:15 |
| garrett | but you can click on the little wrench icon to launch the full-blown app | 19:15 |
| maddler | matt_c: no... it's (only) an applet... | 19:15 |
| zuh | A .desktop would be trivial to produce though, wonder why it doesn't have one... | 19:16 |
| maddler | that would have been nice to see it in multimedia player... | 19:16 |
| [mbm] | which repository? can't find it | 19:16 |
| Andy80 | I've found another hacking! On 770, if you execute: "cat coffe_dust && water > /sys/platform/hidden_dev/coffee_machine" you can get warm coffee out from mmc slot :D | 19:16 |
| Andy80 | :P | 19:16 |
| garrett | maddler: yeah, no doubt | 19:16 |
| garrett | [mbm]: deb http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/certified bora user | 19:16 |
| |tbb| | andy this hack is old even the coffee doesnt smell good :) | 19:17 |
| Andy80 | maddler: maybe they (nokia) planned to release an os 2007 upgrade with radio feature :) | 19:17 |
| maddler | Andy80: yes, that makes sense... but... who knows :) | 19:17 |
| Andy80 | anyway... is there a way to fix those bugs on maemo 2.2? else I'll come back to 2.1, at least it was usable! :( | 19:19 |
| |tbb| | btw. is it possible to hack the built in picture viewer so that it supports slideshow? after the source is available | 19:19 |
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| maddler | tigert: you remember the hildon-theme-cacher stuff I told you earlier? | 19:19 |
| maddler | tigert: I've something odd here again... after a reboot I have a kinda mixed up theme... with pieces from pink theme and pieces from plankton theme... | 19:20 |
| maddler | tigert: I'll send you a mail later... | 19:20 |
| sp3000 | "may contain traces of seafood" | 19:21 |
| [mbm] | wish someone would remove the broken busybox .. it's preventing me from using the magic:sys package | 19:21 |
| |tbb| | the biggest bug for me for now is that u can never trust the battery status indicator, that really sucks | 19:21 |
| maddler | |tbb|: indeed... but I got used to that... :) | 19:22 |
| maddler | or at least I'm never *too* far from a charger.. | 19:22 |
| maddler | my USB charger saved my life more than once by the way... | 19:22 |
| |tbb| | usbcharger for the n800 ? | 19:23 |
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| |tbb| | but if u arent stay on a place for more than 2hours you cant fully charge your device :( i have a car adapter but also i dont drive more than a hour for normal. I dont know if half charging the battery will harm my battery | 19:25 |
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| maddler | |tbb|: an USB to power plug... | 19:30 |
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| maddler | kinda useful... | 19:30 |
| maddler | I use it for my E61 as well... | 19:30 |
| jsun | hi - | 19:30 |
| |tbb| | will it harm the battery life when u charge it only half an hour or if u charge it before battery runs out? | 19:32 |
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| maddler | |tbb|: nope... | 19:33 |
| * [mbm] wonders how weird it'd be using an ipod+itrip and a n800 with fmradio | 19:33 | |
| matt_c | the FM tuner on my N-Gage was a killer feature for playing tony hawk while listening to Marketplace on NPR :) | 19:35 |
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| [mbm] | well, I just mean the n800 is perfectly capable of playing a few G of mp3s (depending on your SD card) | 19:36 |
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| [mbm] | so there's some irony involved | 19:37 |
| maddler | time to go home here... | 19:38 |
| maddler | see you all later... | 19:38 |
| jsun | a dumb question - if I make a maemo pkg, how can hook it up so that it will appear in the application menu? | 19:41 |
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| mgedmin | jsun: you need to create a .desktop file | 19:44 |
| jsun | mgedmin, create this file inside the package? | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | see the tutorial at http://maemo.org/platform/docs/how-to.html | 19:45 |
| jsun | ok, I will take a look. | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | the package should put your .desktop file somewhere in /usr/... | 19:45 |
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| etrunko | /usr/share/applications/hildon precisely | 19:51 |
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| jsun | mgedmin, I am a little confused by app.desktop file and Section: field | 19:53 |
| tzz | etrunko: did you see my e-mail about evince on the N800? I found that the problem was '#' in the file name, not the .cbz extension. I happened to have two separate series with '#' in the name unfortunately. | 19:53 |
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| jsun | does Section: field also control the menu placement? | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | no | 19:53 |
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| mgedmin | Section field in debian/control influences the application installer only | 19:54 |
| tzz | etrunko: I still think rar/zip should be handled as cbr/cbz but that's easy to do with a rename. | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | debian/postinst, IIRC, can influence the menu placement | 19:54 |
| jsun | mgedmin, Thanks. | 19:55 |
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| Andy80 | if I can compile and run an application using SDK_PC configuration... this mean that it can also compile and run on SDK_ARMEL target? | 19:58 |
| * [mbm] gets sick of the filemanager being cute and does an ln -s / ~/MyDocs/root | 19:59 | |
| nomis | Andy80: likely. | 19:59 |
| nomis | Andy80: you're then unable to produce packages for the device itself though. | 19:59 |
| keesj | maller: how about registering maemotemple | 20:00 |
| Andy80 | nomis: why? If I can compile for SDK_ARMEL, whay I cannot produce a .deb for N770/800 too? | 20:00 |
| keesj | maller: how about registering maemogod | 20:00 |
| nomis | Andy80: ah, I was being unclear. If you want to avoid compiling on SDK_ARMEL you cannot create packages. | 20:01 |
| Andy80 | nomis: no no, i WANT :) and I really hope that the "thing" I'm compiling for SDK_PC will compile on SDK_ARMEL too :) | 20:01 |
| nomis | Andy80: ok :) | 20:02 |
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| [mbm] | hmm.. where's the home layout stored? | 20:05 |
| zuh | Somewhere under $HOME/.osso/ IIRC | 20:06 |
| [mbm] | hildon-home/applet_manager.conf under there | 20:07 |
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| nomis | ok, anyone an idea what the volume-statusbar-applet does other than just setting the gconf-key for the volume? | 20:12 |
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| keesj | perhaps change the hardware volume or change the esd volume? | 20:15 |
| etrunko | tzz: haven't seen it | 20:16 |
| nomis | it is hard to imagine that something that important has been wired into the volume applet. Weird. | 20:16 |
| noir | hi | 20:17 |
| etrunko | tzz: when did you send it? | 20:17 |
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| nomis | the brightness has something in the background that listens to changes of the gconf-key and sets the brightness accordingly. | 20:18 |
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| tzz | etrunko: 2 days ago, subject line "Re: [maemo-users] N800 as e-book reader" | 20:42 |
| tzz | etrunko: Message-ID: <g69y7nczk9r.fsf@dhcp-65-162.kendall.corp.akamai.com> | 20:42 |
| etrunko | tzz: just a min | 20:43 |
| etrunko | tzz: got it.. | 20:45 |
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| etrunko | tzz: what about the problem with files with '#' in the name? | 20:46 |
| tzz | etrunko: sorry for the delays, I'm back. | 20:49 |
| tzz | etrunko: they don't show up, that's all. | 20:49 |
| tzz | e.g. a_#1of5.cbz | 20:49 |
| tzz | it might be a file selector problem, I don't know | 20:49 |
| tzz | anyhow, the point was that evince can open cbz files, so thank you for releasing the preliminary N800 package. | 20:50 |
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| tzz | if you want me to test anything, I'll gladly do it. | 20:51 |
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| kulve | dpkg - warning: downgrading gstreamer0.10-plugins-base from 0.10.9-osso14 to 0.10.9-osso13.tk1. | 20:54 |
| kulve | nnhhg. Why the sources are not up-to-date.. :/ | 20:55 |
| keesj | perhaps the build system is just very complex? | 20:55 |
| kulve | well, I think they still should put the same version of binaries and sources to their apt-repositories | 20:57 |
| tigert | maddler, notee that plankton ddoes not contain a oopera theme | 20:58 |
| tigert | so that stays probably whatever you had before | 20:59 |
| etrunko | tzz: thank you | 21:02 |
| etrunko | tzz: i'll check this problem with filenames | 21:02 |
| nomis | tigert: may I bug you about three little problems of plankton? | 21:03 |
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| tzz | etrunko: no problem. I'll be away for a while, e-mail if you need to ask anything. | 21:04 |
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| etrunko | tzz: roger that | 21:05 |
| etrunko | :) | 21:05 |
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| s-ndh-c | alp: there? | 21:19 |
| konttori | I still haven't bought a bid SD, so my long video experience is limited, but it seems like people are having problems playing long videos on media player on N800. Does anybody know what gives or does anyone have had such experiences? | 21:24 |
| konttori | Or am I asking in the wrong forum, as developers never have time to watch videos? | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | I watched a recoded 2-hour movie on my 770 once | 21:25 |
| Tak | my fiancee *mainly* uses her 770 for watching reencoded movies | 21:27 |
| tigert | nomis: sure | 21:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | anybody has gst-ffmpeg compiled for n800 ? | 21:27 |
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| tigert | nomis: combobox, topright corner on home view and vkbd weird widgets? :) | 21:27 |
| tigert | nomis: or something else? | 21:27 |
| alp | s-ndh-c: yo | 21:28 |
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| s-ndh-c | alp: is this hildon-1 branch fully functional? | 21:32 |
| [mbm] | konttori: I've watched videos on it; plays fine but you'll probably need to transcode since mplayer doesn't have the power to play most of the modern codecs | 21:32 |
| konttori | yeah, but the media player, not mplayer | 21:32 |
| alp | s-ndh-c: no idea, literally all i have tested is that example.cs | 21:32 |
| konttori | Seems like default video player has some jamming problems with long files. every now and then. | 21:32 |
| s-ndh-c | alp: i tried to port this banner_example thing, but the progress banner didnt let me change the fraction | 21:33 |
| [mbm] | konttori: the media player applet hardly plays any formats .. mplayer gives you more codecs | 21:33 |
| s-ndh-c | other the other banners seemed to work | 21:33 |
| konttori | I am mainly interested in this from the perspective of checking whether the problem is in video files media converter produces / whether I could improve the situation somehow by fixing media converter | 21:34 |
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| [mbm] | oh, dunno, never used the converter or the builtin media player | 21:34 |
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| [mbm] | watched a few xvids in mplayer although you really have to tweak the mplayer settings to get a decent fps with xvid | 21:35 |
| s-ndh-c | alp: but the sourcecode of whats deployed to the devices yet seems to be much harder to be bound with gapi than this hildon-1 thing | 21:35 |
| nomis | tigert: combobox and topright and (something new :) the speaker icon in a horizontal volumebar (its OK in the vertical) | 21:35 |
| * nomis apparently needs to look at the vkbd :) | 21:36 | |
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| tigert | nomis: :) | 21:36 |
| tigert | nomis: yea, stuff I just need to fix | 21:36 |
| tigert | nomis: or get the svg and fix it? | 21:36 |
| tigert | too bad patching SVG is hard | 21:36 |
| tigert | I wonder if patch can fix it | 21:36 |
| nomis | probably kind of possible, but I lack shading experience in inkscape. | 21:38 |
| tigert | yea | 21:38 |
| tigert | also ideas are welcome | 21:38 |
| tigert | its still a bit of a mix of styles | 21:38 |
| tigert | I am wanting to make it more clean, simple | 21:39 |
| tigert | but the buttons are kinda hard 3D still etcetera | 21:39 |
| alp | s-ndh-c: yeah, i removed a lot of parser hacks and api fixup that i used to have for the old hildon | 21:39 |
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| alp | in this respect i'm just following advice from MDK that hildon-1 is the api worth targeting now | 21:40 |
| s-ndh-c | i see | 21:40 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 21:40 |
| alp | tbh i haven't even checked which is on the device | 21:41 |
| s-ndh-c | alp: i think someone uploaded the source of whats on the it2006 and it2007 images somewhere | 21:41 |
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| konttori | mbm: you might then want to check out using a converter beforehand. At least on my tests I could play very nicely 400x480 resolution video. Which looks stunning. At least when 768 bitrate or better is applied. | 21:42 |
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| nomis | tigert: also something that I noticed: the gradient on the left side shows visible banding. Can Inkscape do the same dithering as gimp? | 21:44 |
| nomis | tigert: and the bottom right edge of an application window is not rounded, while all others are. | 21:45 |
| * nomis is awful at nitpicking :) | 21:45 | |
| s-ndh-c | ist bluetooth networking possibe with the n770? | 21:46 |
| s-ndh-c | i would like to write a software to control my favorite media player application via wlan and/or bluetooth | 21:46 |
| tigert | nomis: inkscape cannot dither | 21:48 |
| tigert | but | 21:48 |
| tigert | imagemagick can | 21:48 |
| tigert | I need to try that | 21:48 |
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| guerby | Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch | 22:00 |
| guerby | Am I alone in seeing this error on apt-get update? | 22:00 |
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| Guard][an | evening maemo | 22:01 |
| kaatis | Guard][an, might be because of cache has old version of some file | 22:01 |
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| kaatis | oops | 22:02 |
| kaatis | guerby, ^ | 22:02 |
| guerby | kaatis, cache on my N800 or on the server side? | 22:02 |
| baze | moin | 22:02 |
| baze | does anyone know where i can find people from the tinymail project? | 22:03 |
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| kaatis | guerby, i meant http proxy | 22:04 |
| guerby | kaatis, I don't use a proxy (direct internet) | 22:04 |
| kaatis | guerby, well you might still be behind transparent proxy | 22:05 |
| kaatis | at least that's only thing i can think of | 22:05 |
| guerby | /var/lib/apt/lists has a catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_bora_Release file with checksums | 22:06 |
| kaatis | try apt-get clean and try again | 22:07 |
| guerby | kaatis, W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_bora_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) | 22:07 |
| guerby | E: Invalid operation clean | 22:07 |
| guerby | kaatis, nevermind, wrong command | 22:07 |
| guerby | kaatis, same message. cleaning /var/lib/apt/lists by hand is tempting... | 22:08 |
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| guerby | kaatis, touch /var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_bora_user_binary-armel_Packages makes the error go away | 22:12 |
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| guerby | kaatis, could you look at http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/bora/Release | 22:15 |
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| guerby | and http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/ and check the sizes of Package ? | 22:15 |
| guerby | kaatis, they aren't the same for me | 22:15 |
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| maddler | hmmm... could anyone try writing something starting with "zic*"? | 22:19 |
| maddler | with autocompletion I get: zicorp2004013002901928 | 22:20 |
| guerby | kaatis, frederic crozat reported the problem to maemo-users | 22:20 |
| Tak | lol - you got an expiration date to go with that? | 22:20 |
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| maddler | tak... hehehe... | 22:34 |
| maddler | no... and I'd need owner as well :D | 22:34 |
| maddler | just realized it coud have been a CC number... | 22:34 |
| mgedmin | that's a long password :) | 22:35 |
| c0ffee | it's also a bit annoying that the keyboard auto-completes passwords :) | 22:36 |
| maddler | well... I wonder why it's in the default dictionary... | 22:37 |
| maddler | c0ffee: yep, but unless you are writing in an hildonized field, how could it know it is a password? | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | heh, heuristics based on "looks like a password" | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | you know, pet names, birth dates, "password1" | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | I wonder what the autocompleter thinks about my sanity when I use vi with the virtual keyboard :-) | 22:38 |
| maddler | hahaha... | 22:39 |
| c0ffee | yeah, it could have some noise filter | 22:39 |
| c0ffee | or not learn words from non-hildon apps | 22:39 |
| c0ffee | or forget the learned words from non-hildon apps when you close the app | 22:39 |
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| maddler | hmmm... is there a way to look at all the words in a dictionary? | 22:39 |
| c0ffee | you mean besides cat? :) | 22:40 |
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| maddler | well... knowing where is the dictionary would be a nice start... ;) | 22:42 |
| maddler | brb | 22:44 |
| maddler | storytelling to my daughter... | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | somewhere in ~/ | 22:44 |
| maddler | mgedmin: thank you... :DDD | 22:44 |
| maddler | brb | 22:45 |
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| alp | is there a built-in or working pptp client for the n800? | 22:49 |
| nomis | Hmm. What is osso-mvi and is it open? | 22:57 |
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| suihkulokki | nomis: Master Volume Interface | 23:11 |
| nomis | suihkulokki: ah, do you know if this is supposed to be public? | 23:11 |
| suihkulokki | nomis: if it isn't, then it isn't. you can use alsa to control volume as well. | 23:12 |
| nomis | Hm, ok. | 23:12 |
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| kaatis | guerby, also seem to be different size for me | 23:13 |
| guerby | kaatis, thanks for the check. They'll probably fix that tomorrow | 23:14 |
| guerby | fmradio is really kewl | 23:15 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone poked ferenc about garage not updating? | 23:25 |
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| maddler | nope... I thought it was you in chage of planet... | 23:27 |
| maddler | since you answered my mail... | 23:28 |
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| maddler | wife calling... | 23:30 |
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| Tak | what's the deal with garage? | 23:44 |
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| guerby | hmm any idea of where fmradio puts the defined radio list? | 23:44 |
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| Jaffa | guerby: gconf, I'd guess, or /home/user/.osso**radio/ | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | maddler: he's now been poked | 23:54 |
| guerby | to answer my own question: gconftool-2 -R /apps/maemo/fmradio | 23:55 |
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| guerby | Jaffa, do you know where is the file backup of gconf? | 23:55 |
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