| everaldo | good solution, make more easy development | 00:00 |
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| MDK | yet it hacks the apt db to make it look like you have perl installed | 00:00 |
| everaldo | we mus have same for Mono | 00:00 |
| everaldo | s/mus/must | 00:00 |
| MDK | perl seems to have a simple script which is run after devkit selection | 00:01 |
| MDK | which injects some crap into apt | 00:01 |
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| lle2 | MDK: perl is not running outside sb as far as I know, it's running inside sb but from /scratchbox/something/or/the/other/perl | 00:01 |
| alp | tko: a better reply: APIs with few entry points that do a lot are generally more suited for binding than APIs with lots of very simple entry points, where the value is mainly in the design and not the code (ipc is easy to do) | 00:01 |
| everaldo | MDK, sweet solution | 00:01 |
| everaldo | MDK, I can found it in scratchbox perl package? | 00:02 |
| MDK | lle2: yeah, I wasn't clear | 00:02 |
| MDK | lle2: I mean that it's not running using emulation | 00:02 |
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| MDK | perl in arm target runs natively on 386 | 00:02 |
| ferenc | hello | 00:03 |
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| MDK | everaldo: in the perl sbox devkit, yes | 00:03 |
| ferenc | Jaffa: here? | 00:03 |
| everaldo | MDK, good... I will take a look | 00:03 |
| MDK | everaldo: http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-devkit-perl-1.0.4-i386.tar.gz | 00:03 |
| tko | alp, yeah, I can agree with that | 00:03 |
| keesj | ferenc, did he mess up the upload again! | 00:04 |
| tko | I'm not too happy about libosso myself, it's just weird in trying to abstract away dbus-isms, and yet exposing the concepts just with different names | 00:04 |
| MDK | yes, I agree | 00:04 |
| ferenc | keesj: well, i would not put it this way :) | 00:04 |
| MDK | even if it's simpler in the end, the confusion might not be worth it | 00:05 |
| ferenc | keesj: there is 1 issue we have to fix | 00:05 |
| valtsu | ferenc: hello | 00:05 |
| keesj | I would be great if we get this thing running! | 00:05 |
| ferenc | hello valtsu :) | 00:05 |
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| ferenc | keesj: in order to send notifications you must give proper Maintainer addresses in the control files | 00:06 |
| valtsu | ferenc: how's it going? hopefully well... | 00:06 |
| ferenc | keesj: without those you will never recieve mails about rejected packages | 00:06 |
| ferenc | valtsu: yes, everything is perfect, sort of. working remotely till April ;) | 00:06 |
| ferenc | keesj: so, you have to update all the packages | 00:06 |
| keesj | and those need a garage account , and a gpg? | 00:07 |
| valtsu | ferenc: sounds fun :) | 00:07 |
| ferenc | keesj: and preferably use an email address that points to garage.maemo.org | 00:07 |
| tko | ferenc, I may be missing something, but would it be more safe to send notifications to the mail address registered to the uploader ? | 00:07 |
| ferenc | keesj: i would create a mailing list at mud-builder | 00:07 |
| keesj | we have a mailing list , | 00:07 |
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| ferenc | tko: it is tricky to get the uploaders. | 00:08 |
| ferenc | tko: easier to rely on the debian package itself | 00:08 |
| keesj | but could all the packages be signed be a single "mud" key? | 00:08 |
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| ferenc | keesj: well, sure. if you can take care of the private key | 00:08 |
| s-ndh-c | alp: thats all i got out of it http://mgolisch.homeip.net/screenshot00.png | 00:08 |
| tko | ferenc, I meant the garage user id of the uploader.. or the mail address from the signature | 00:09 |
| ferenc | keesj: there were again MD5 problems with the packages. | 00:09 |
| ferenc | tko: well, that is damn good idea! the signature | 00:09 |
| keesj | ferenc, My guess is that we will endup building on different hosts for different platform (I think) or have on dedicated machine. | 00:09 |
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| tko | ferenc, or the address of whoever made the last changelog entry | 00:10 |
| ferenc | tko: though i got to hack the qmanager | 00:10 |
| ferenc | tko: that's unreliable | 00:10 |
| tko | I think all those would be more likely to be accurate than debian/control Maintainer :) | 00:10 |
| ferenc | tko: unfortunately | 00:10 |
| keesj | very nice good to have some feedback. can I summarize this and send it to the mud list? | 00:10 |
| ferenc | tko: well, the signature is the best | 00:10 |
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| ferenc | keesj: please do it. and we have to spread this news among other projects as well | 00:11 |
| ferenc | but if i manage to get the mail address from the sigtnature then we are all set | 00:11 |
| alp | s-ndh-c: haha. guess we just need to get full coverage now | 00:11 |
| s-ndh-c | alp: and i changed a modfier in program.cs it wouldnt let me acces the standard konstructor otherwise | 00:12 |
| ferenc | keesj: you could mention that the proper maintainer address is important in order to send these notification emails | 00:13 |
| s-ndh-c | and in the c example they use some function to set the app title i didnt find naything like that in your binding dll | 00:13 |
| alp | s-ndh-c: yeah, that api totally disappeared in the new parse of hildon-1 | 00:13 |
| tigert | s-ndh-c: nice! | 00:13 |
| Tak | ferenc: can I bug you about xmame? | 00:13 |
| ferenc | keesj: but we can get the uploader's address from the gpg/pgp signature. i will work on that. | 00:13 |
| ferenc | Tak: shoot | 00:14 |
| ferenc | license? | 00:14 |
| ferenc | :) | 00:14 |
| Tak | yes | 00:14 |
| ferenc | hybrid :) | 00:14 |
| s-ndh-c | alp: thats what i changed used: http://pastebin.ca/341865 | 00:14 |
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| Tak | ok - there was one guy who got worked up that it was in "free" | 00:15 |
| ferenc | Tak: but seriously. should we really have an "other" field in the catalog? | 00:15 |
| Tak | in the catalog, yes | 00:15 |
| |tbb| | kaatis: have a new kernel now, and it looks like the installation run fine | 00:15 |
| keesj | and what was wrong with the md5 sum? | 00:16 |
| ferenc | keesj: i will check the logs and send an email to you | 00:16 |
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| keesj | great | 00:17 |
| alp | s-ndh-c: i get it, looks like App is now Program. i'll try porting some c examples | 00:19 |
| alp | and looks like Views are gone completely | 00:19 |
| tko | alp, App was a Widget, Program is not. HildonWindow is replacing View but is a real GtkWindow | 00:21 |
| alp | tko: is there a porting guide? | 00:21 |
| keesj | ferenc, you said I would create a mud mailing list could that be the maintainer email? | 00:21 |
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| tko | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_20.html#hildonprogram_hildonwindow | 00:24 |
| tko | can't comment on the quality, it's the first time I see that particular document :-] | 00:24 |
| alp | thanks | 00:24 |
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| tko | another: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/hildon-window-migration-guide/appview2window.ps | 00:25 |
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| alp | is this api getting rolled out soon, or should we be concentrating on binding what's on the device? | 00:25 |
| ferenc | keesj: yes, in theoru we can do it | 00:25 |
| ferenc | keesj: i sent you and Jaffa an email | 00:25 |
| ferenc | tko: when are you going to start migrating the projects from stage to garage? | 00:26 |
| tko | ferenc, I'm still not seeing any obvious benefit from doing that which would pay off the hassle | 00:27 |
| ferenc | tko: documentation? | 00:27 |
| ferenc | tko: account management, contribution management | 00:28 |
| kaatis | |tbb|, great | 00:28 |
| ferenc | tko: public wiki, blogs etc etc | 00:28 |
| ferenc | tko: and the hassle would not be yours but mine migrating the svn repos | 00:28 |
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| tko | ferenc, the problem with documentation is not the tools (we already have the wiki and svn) but getting the content | 00:29 |
| ferenc | tko: beside that we would finally "integrate" the community | 00:29 |
| tko | ferenc, for account management we'd need to do some arbitrary splitting because of the apparent all or nothing access control per project | 00:29 |
| ferenc | tko: having all maemo public projects at garage, that would reflect that we are together :) | 00:29 |
| tko | and we have the wiki and blogs (more or less) already | 00:29 |
| ferenc | tko: the idea is to split your huge 'haf' to smaller, manageable entities | 00:30 |
| tko | and I simply don't want to use the bug tracker | 00:30 |
| ferenc | tko: you don't have to use the garage trackers at all. just disable them and no one will see them. | 00:30 |
| ferenc | tko: anyway, if you prefer hacking at stage i am fine with it... | 00:31 |
| tko | ferenc, which again comes back to me not seeing any benefit, really.. just moving the svn | 00:31 |
| ferenc | tko: have you ever discussed this in the team? | 00:31 |
| kaatis | that would be one less service to be maintained | 00:32 |
| tko | yes, luc asked about migrating to garage and I asked the same things | 00:32 |
| Tak | is dogfooding its own benefit? ;-) | 00:32 |
| tko | other people might have differing opinions but I haven't seen any uncontrollable urge to migrate to garage | 00:33 |
| ferenc | tko: well, the biggest benefit would be visibility | 00:33 |
| ferenc | tko: if you have 9-10 smaller subprojects | 00:33 |
| ferenc | tko: the community would understand better what you are doing | 00:33 |
| alp | s-ndh-c: i updated the example in svn, no need to hack Program.cs. it now looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/341880 | 00:34 |
| ferenc | tko: you could actually contact these subprojects a lot easier | 00:34 |
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| vol | doh, i just put my new 8gb card in to the n800, and formatted it | 00:34 |
| vol | now its a 2gb card :/ | 00:34 |
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| kaatis | Tak, and that too :) | 00:34 |
| c0ffee | ferenc \o/ | 00:34 |
| tigert | hm | 00:35 |
| s-ndh-c | alp: cool | 00:35 |
| s-ndh-c | alp: i didnt get that instance thing | 00:35 |
| kaatis | vol, did it work as a 8gb card? | 00:35 |
| kaatis | before format | 00:35 |
| vol | is it worth it to use ext2 over fat32? | 00:35 |
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| vol | kaatis: yea cause i thought better of it on the second one | 00:36 |
| vol | that one is 8gb free | 00:36 |
| vol | kaatis: i had to flash the sdhc enabled kernel first | 00:36 |
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| kaatis | vol, that's too bad! i can exchange it to a 2gb card which works! :) | 00:37 |
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| ferenc | btw. if someone is bored and want to write some FAQ pages: | 00:38 |
| kaatis | vol, i think you also need to update tools on the device, not just kernel | 00:38 |
| ferenc | http://downloads.maemo.org/faq | 00:38 |
| ferenc | about the FAQ stuff: let me know if you have access problems | 00:39 |
| tko | ferenc, the thing just is, if we're not going to use the forums, tracker, lists, tasks, docs, news, and files on garage, how is garage better than the current stage+bugzilla+lists+wiki ? | 00:39 |
| ferenc | tko: you don't use them today, but that may change tomorrow. | 00:39 |
| vol | kaatis: what tools do you mean? | 00:40 |
| keesj | tko, if you like bugzilla your a strange kind of person | 00:40 |
| tko | I don't see we've been stopped by lack of *tools* before | 00:40 |
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| tko | keesj, have ever used gforge trackers? | 00:40 |
| nomis | keesj: wtf? | 00:40 |
| ferenc | tko: having several smaller projects is a lot better then having a huge one with a very complicated strcuture | 00:40 |
| keesj | yes, | 00:41 |
| nomis | gforge/sourceforge-trackers are unusable crap. | 00:41 |
| tko | keesj, and you call me strange. ugh :) | 00:41 |
| Tak | now, if only we had some faqs... | 00:41 |
| ferenc | Tak: well, i don; | 00:41 |
| Tak | ("wtf?" doesn't count) | 00:41 |
| ferenc | Tak: sorry. i have no question about the app catalog | 00:41 |
| ferenc | Tak: i thought somebody may have... | 00:42 |
| c0ffee | how about why do i need to use so many repositories? | 00:42 |
| tko | c0ffee, because developers don't care? :) | 00:42 |
| Tak | "What do all the colors mean? What color will ITOS2008 be?" | 00:42 |
| lle2 | c0ffee: nokia loves repositories | 00:42 |
| ferenc | c0ffee: put it to the faq PAGE | 00:42 |
| c0ffee | cant | 00:42 |
| c0ffee | im only with this clumsy internet tablet thing | 00:42 |
| ferenc | c0ffee: permission denied? | 00:42 |
| ferenc | c0ffee: ok | 00:43 |
| keesj | "is is safe" to use the catalog, who must i contact if it does not work | 00:43 |
| c0ffee | sooo difficult to type | 00:43 |
| tko | lle2, come on, we only have a handful | 00:43 |
| ferenc | keesj: me | 00:43 |
| ferenc | c0ffee: BT keyboard? | 00:43 |
| c0ffee | yeah | 00:43 |
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| vol | kaatis: i was able to get it back to 8gb by specifying mkfs.vfat -F 32 | 00:43 |
| c0ffee | it´s painful | 00:43 |
| keesj | the kind of question I had when failing to install openssh via the .install :( | 00:43 |
| vol | it must default to 16 | 00:43 |
| c0ffee | i wonder whether the stpaway is better | 00:44 |
| ferenc | keesj: valid question. pls add it to the FAQ :) | 00:44 |
| lle2 | tko: doesn't change the fact that nokia loves repositories | 00:44 |
| ssvb | hi, does anybody know which package contains n800 xvideo extension implementation source code? | 00:44 |
| keesj | I must go no time to be social | 00:44 |
| ferenc | keesj: :) | 00:44 |
| kaatis | vol, ok | 00:44 |
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| lle2 | tko: it's a cultural thing, I'm not only talking about debian repos | 00:48 |
| neostrider | hello folks | 00:49 |
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| neostrider | anyone knows who to share internet between ubuntu and 770? | 00:49 |
| neostrider | using wifi? | 00:49 |
| hub | buy a wireless AP | 00:50 |
| kkito | neostrider, http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu-linux.html | 00:51 |
| neostrider | great | 00:51 |
| neostrider | thanks kkito! | 00:51 |
| neostrider | (anyway...my sister only calls me "kikito" hahahaha) | 00:51 |
| neostrider | (its rather strange see your nickname) | 00:52 |
| kkito | neostrider, hehehe :P | 00:53 |
| neostrider | (where you from?) | 00:54 |
| kkito | neostrider, i am from spain :) | 00:55 |
| Tak | ok, did I do something wrong, or is the faq not working correctly? | 00:55 |
| kkito | Tak, did you try the cps2 emu? | 00:56 |
| Tak | kkito: not yet - no n800 | 00:56 |
| ferenc | Tak: what happened? | 00:56 |
| Tak | I put in references, but I can't click the links | 00:57 |
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| ferenc | i see | 00:57 |
| ferenc | Tak: checking | 00:57 |
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| ferenc | Tak: it was a permission problem, now it works | 01:07 |
| ferenc | Tak: thanks for noticing! | 01:08 |
| Tak | cool | 01:08 |
| ferenc | wike editors will have to get used to the new wiki syntax | 01:08 |
| Tak | and now I must bid you adieu | 01:09 |
| ferenc | alright | 01:09 |
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| neostrider | brb | 01:13 |
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| wmaddler | Great! Xchat works... | 01:18 |
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| MoRpHeUz | cesman: ping | 01:27 |
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| neostrider | (still fighting the wifi dongle...) | 01:45 |
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| MIkeB | hi | 02:04 |
| MIkeB | anyone owner of the nokia 800 ? do you care to share your experience with the n800 versus the 700 ? It it worth changing from the 770 to the n800 ? | 02:05 |
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| maddler | wg 20 | 02:08 |
| nomis | MIkeB: not if you're happy with the 770. | 02:10 |
| maddler | MIkeB: 770 still a good device... | 02:11 |
| maddler | n800 is more "comfortable" I'd say.. | 02:11 |
| maddler | but if you are satisfied with your 770 keep it... | 02:12 |
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| MIkeB | I got a 770. I like it tough, nevertheless I'd love it to be faster. I understand the n800 is a bit faster. Now I probably have the opportunity to seel my 770 and get a new n800 | 02:13 |
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| MIkeB | the question is to do it or not !.. ? | 02:14 |
| vol | MIkeB: i have 16gb of storage on my 800, which is a major plus over my 770 for me | 02:14 |
| s-ndh-c | the two sd card slots alone are a reason to think about geting the n800 atleast for me | 02:14 |
| MIkeB | specially I am worried about the actual device's quality. I had NO problems with my 700 (bottom cracks, WSOD, etc. nothing went wrong). | 02:14 |
| MIkeB | I have read about some issues with the n800 tough..... | 02:14 |
| vol | ive dropped my 800 twice (be careful with the sleeve) and its fine... the first time was down the stairs | 02:15 |
| MIkeB | like the issue with the camera not inverting image when turning the camera.... | 02:15 |
| maddler | MIkeB: mine is performing great... | 02:15 |
| MIkeB | maddler , where was your n800 manufactured ? | 02:15 |
| MIkeB | and yours, vol ? | 02:16 |
| maddler | btw.. if you are a techno-geek as I am... go for n800! ;) | 02:16 |
| maddler | MIkeB: no idea... never checked... | 02:16 |
| MIkeB | I guess I qualify as a techno-geek indeed..... | 02:16 |
| maddler | MIkeB: ahaha... dn't wait then! | 02:17 |
| MIkeB | I am asking where it was manufactured since I read about those troubles with the camera on some specific batches of n800... | 02:17 |
| maddler | buy it!!! | 02:17 |
| MIkeB | next time I am on the USA ..in a few days, probably I'll get it. | 02:17 |
| maddler | yes..but since I had no problems I didn't checked :) | 02:18 |
| maddler | where from | 02:18 |
| maddler | ? | 02:18 |
| MIkeB | mexico city. | 02:19 |
| MIkeB | they recently started selling the 770 here, but almost at twice the US price. | 02:19 |
| maddler | damn! | 02:19 |
| MIkeB | I bought mine in the US. | 02:19 |
| MIkeB | yup, dawn ! | 02:19 |
| MIkeB | damn ! I mean. | 02:19 |
| maddler | and I was complainiing about Italy! | 02:20 |
| maddler | hehe | 02:20 |
| Yamazaki-kun | maddler: Two words for you: Carlos Slim. | 02:20 |
| maddler | Yamazaki-kun: ? | 02:20 |
| maddler | mumble... | 02:20 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Mexican businessman. Owns Telmex. | 02:21 |
| maddler | should that ring any bell? | 02:21 |
| Yamazaki-kun | The phone company over there. | 02:21 |
| maddler | and? | 02:21 |
| maddler | you know 1am here... | 02:21 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Mexico's got some serious issues with cartels. | 02:21 |
| maddler | my brain is sleeping already | 02:22 |
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| maddler | I know the feeling... | 02:22 |
| MIkeB | yeah, Slim own Telmex... I really do not complain about TELMEX, 10 years ago it took MONTHS, many months, even years to get a phone line | 02:22 |
| MIkeB | now you can get it on2 days. | 02:22 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Sounds like a good start, except prices are still 50% higher than north of the border. | 02:24 |
| MIkeB | back to the n800: did you all get it on CompUSA ? (Slim owned, by the way !) :) or on the nokia's site ? | 02:25 |
| maddler | nokia site... but Italy here.. | 02:26 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Got mine at CompUSA. Sometimes I do wonder if the hard drive prices there can be explained by Mr Slim's ownership. | 02:26 |
| * [mbm] went to 4-6 different compusa stores trying to find one | 02:29 | |
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| Yamazaki-kun | First store and I got it; that was about a week after launch, before it showed on compusa.com. | 02:30 |
| [mbm] | I'd call ahead to another store and they'd have sold out by the time I got there (either that or they were jerking me around and just wanted to drag me into the store) | 02:30 |
| [mbm] | would have ordered online but it was a firday morning and I didn't want to wait weekend+delivery | 02:30 |
| maddler | mbm... a guy at a nokia point here in *rome* told me N800 was a SonyEricsson phone! | 02:31 |
| [mbm] | maddler: well, more than once I got a confused employee direct me over to the cellphone isle just because I said nokia | 02:32 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Seems to be good now. I picked my three closest stores and they all have inventory. | 02:32 |
| maddler | but at least brand was correcy! | 02:32 |
| maddler | hahaha | 02:32 |
| maddler | Yamazaki-kun: good.. | 02:32 |
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| Yamazaki-kun | Don't think any Sony Ericsson phones start with N. | 02:33 |
| [mbm] | Yamazaki-kun: hint - the one they have on demo shows up in their inventory system | 02:33 |
| Yamazaki-kun | K or W. | 02:33 |
| [mbm] | so they might not actually have any fore sale | 02:33 |
| maddler | and P | 02:33 |
| Yamazaki-kun | [mbm]: Ouch. Seems every company has a crack-addled monkey doing their website. | 02:33 |
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| maddler | Yamazaki-kun: not even monkeys actually | 02:34 |
| [mbm] | you can call them and ask how many they have, but more stores refuse to tell you how many and refuse to hold any | 02:34 |
| maddler | maybe amoeba... | 02:34 |
| * [mbm] also found that compusa was the only store that carried em.. none of the other electronic stores had the 770 or the 800 | 02:35 | |
| [mbm] | (bestbuy, microcenter, frys ..) | 02:35 |
| maddler | btw... N800 can't be bought in stores here... | 02:36 |
| maddler | and 770 can only be bought at nokia points | 02:37 |
| maddler | if u are lucky enough... | 02:37 |
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| [mbm] | hmm.. I need dselect .. the app installer doesn't tell me what's new in the repositories | 02:38 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Newegg still doesn't have it. But at least at Fry's you can get some schw33t oscilliscopes. | 02:39 |
| [mbm] | I find frys to be overpriced on almost everything | 02:39 |
| [mbm] | only time I buy there is when I need something asap or there's a sale | 02:39 |
| konfoo | the scopes at frys are trash | 02:45 |
| Yamazaki-kun | They've got Tektronix, which seem to be pretty decent. | 02:48 |
| Yamazaki-kun | The BK Precision or whatever is indeed utter crap. | 02:48 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Not even good enough to not notice it's crap in a high-school electronics lab. | 02:50 |
| myren_ | i want a scope with 2.5 GSamples/s or better | 02:51 |
| myren_ | highly considering picking up a tektronix | 02:52 |
| myren_ | the old 684 or a new 2024 | 02:52 |
| Yamazaki-kun | I hope work's paying for that. | 02:52 |
| myren_ | no. :( | 02:52 |
| myren_ | i'm just an embedded nutter | 02:52 |
| myren_ | i write web sites so i can afford to hack SoC | 02:52 |
| myren_ | :( | 02:52 |
| Yamazaki-kun | So by "new" you mean "newer". | 02:52 |
| myren_ | yeah probably used. | 02:53 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Not a 2024B. | 02:53 |
| myren_ | no a B | 02:53 |
| Yamazaki-kun | Ouch. | 02:53 |
| myren_ | yeah no kidding | 02:54 |
| Yamazaki-kun | At least they throw in the FFT for no extra charge now. | 02:54 |
| Yamazaki-kun | IIRC that was an extra ten years ago. | 02:54 |
| myren_ | i've got an ARM mobile computer and arm sensor-net i want to put together, a scope is essential | 02:54 |
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| neostrider | I asked before, but im going to ask again ( I didnt get it working): how to share internet connection between 770 and ubuntu dapper using a wireless dongle? | 03:52 |
| timely | if you're lazy, you can use sshd :) | 03:53 |
| neostrider | humm..good idea | 03:54 |
| timely | otherwise you're stuck trying to figure out nat or proxies | 03:54 |
| * timely is lazy | 03:54 | |
| neostrider | but I dont even know how to create the adhoc | 03:54 |
| * timely shrugs | 03:54 | |
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| jaebird | how many times a day does your N800 reboot magically by itself? :) | 05:28 |
| disq | jaebird: one or two. it's a dsp problem and they're working on it | 05:33 |
| jaebird | disq: really? | 05:34 |
| jaebird | disq: what is the dsp doing when it reboots? playing music? | 05:34 |
| jaebird | at first I thought it was my SDHC kernel...so I reverted | 05:34 |
| jaebird | next I thought it was my WLAN...hmm. But if it is the dsp i'm happy. | 05:35 |
| disq | check the maemo lists for info. they're called idle reboots | 05:35 |
| jaebird | i emailed the list for pointers on how to troubleshoot watchdog reboots, because bootreason w32... doesn't tell me anything | 05:36 |
| disq | a way to get more info is to install syslog i suppose | 05:36 |
| jaebird | i thought that might help...haven't done it yet tho | 05:36 |
| disq | and even redirect its output to another box via udp (syslog -c ip:port i'm guessing) | 05:36 |
| disq | tho somebody already did that and posted the output to the idle reboots thread | 05:37 |
| jaebird | which list, not the devel? | 05:37 |
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| disq | devel or users i don't recall really | 05:39 |
| disq | [mbm]: if you're still there. J&R over at NY also sells the n800 | 05:40 |
| disq | jaebird: erm. "SDHC Flash Support" is the topic (also "Idle Reboots") in maemo-devel | 05:41 |
| jaebird | oh...ok, yeah saw the discussion (participated a little too) | 05:42 |
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| rofltosh | yessss... N800 is on its way: http://flickr.com/photos/atomicbartbeans/381313664/ | 06:02 |
| rofltosh | thanks to you all who gave me the debit card advice last week | 06:03 |
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| MIkeB | rofltosh, may I ask what is that about the debit card and a n800 ? | 06:17 |
| rofltosh | i was having troubles with the nokia store last week... these good people pointed me in the right direction | 06:18 |
| rofltosh | i ended up having to open my first ever plastic card account | 06:18 |
| MIkeB | Oh, I see.... you had like a "virtual Credit card".....right? | 06:19 |
| rofltosh | i had a box of cash under my bed :] | 06:27 |
| rofltosh | i'm only 17 here | 06:27 |
| rofltosh | adios for now | 06:30 |
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| jaebird | ah yes, to be 17 :) | 06:31 |
| jaebird | anyone here have a motorola linux phone? I can't get mine to dialout successfully on GPRS with the N800 | 06:42 |
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| jaebird | it works fine with my moto V540 | 06:42 |
| jaebird | but not on my ROKR E2 | 06:42 |
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| tolgam | good morning ! | 07:04 |
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| jeepers | howdy, folks... | 07:16 |
| jeepers | i have a couple questions (three actually) and I'm hoping everyone is in a friendly mood... | 07:16 |
| jeepers | First, can you call maemopad or (preferably) the pdf reader with an argument telling it what file to open with? i'm trying to do this from python. | 07:17 |
| jeepers | I started out trying a subprocess.popen() | 07:17 |
| MIkeB | I just found a page with exactly the same issue I got now with the UPDATES on a view: Care to take a look : http://forums.devshed.com/postgresql-help-21/help-on-update-rule-for-view-407711.html | 07:18 |
| MIkeB | Thanks in advance.... | 07:18 |
| MIkeB | opps, sorry wrong channel ! | 07:18 |
| jeepers | ok... maybe not... | 07:20 |
| jeepers | how about making an image of the entire rootfs on the device? | 07:21 |
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| makuchaku | Hi all, I've downloaded the MaemoAppliance for VMWare, how do I run it? | 07:25 |
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| imawinar | do you have vmware? | 07:27 |
| makuchaku | imawinar: yeah | 07:27 |
| imawinar | open virtual machine - then point to the dir with the vmx file | 07:27 |
| makuchaku | imawinar: there's no .vmx file, but some 54 archives (file described them as .zip) | 07:28 |
| imawinar | strange... do they have sequential numbers as the extension? .001 .002 ... | 07:28 |
| makuchaku | yes | 07:29 |
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| makuchaku | imawinar: http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3468&filelist=1#filelist | 07:29 |
| imawinar | multi-part archive | 07:29 |
| imawinar | need an archiver that can handle multi-part... aah need 7zip | 07:29 |
| makuchaku | unzip wont help? file-roller? | 07:30 |
| makuchaku | gunzip? | 07:30 |
| imawinar | don't know which unzip can do multi-part | 07:30 |
| imawinar | you could try something strange and do cat Maemo* > Combinedmaemo.zip | 07:30 |
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| imawinar | i think that might work | 07:31 |
| makuchaku | imawinar: hmm, good sugestion :) | 07:33 |
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| jeepers | makuchaku: actually the zip app you want is 7zip | 07:33 |
| jeepers | you'll notice it matches the file extension | 07:34 |
| jeepers | sorry... i just saw imawinar's mention of 7zip | 07:34 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: ah... let me try the concatinating solution, if it dosnt works then i'll head to 7zip :) | 07:34 |
| jeepers | i think i'd just get 7zip... it's free and the file is really dense and you might destroy it... meaning another 1gb download. | 07:35 |
| jeepers | it explodes to 4gb | 07:35 |
| makuchaku | jeepers, imawinar: concatinating dosnt works... i'll get 7zip | 07:36 |
| jeepers | by file, i meant the zip | 07:36 |
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| jeepers | ok... i take it no one has made an image from the entire fs on the device? | 07:39 |
| jeepers | how about this... | 07:39 |
| jeepers | can someone just look in their fs (dev or device) and tell me what the path is to the pdf viewer? | 07:40 |
| imawinar | what's the app name? | 07:40 |
| kulve | /usr/bin/osso_pdfviewer /usr/bin/osso_pdfviewer.launch | 07:40 |
| jeepers | i don't know... that's my problem... ahhhh... thanks kulve | 07:41 |
| kulve | ls /usr/bin/*pdf* ;) | 07:41 |
| jeepers | does it take command line args (from osso_pdfviewer.launch)? | 07:41 |
| jeepers | i would have done the ls but i don't have an image in my dev environ with all of the apps installed... | 07:42 |
| jeepers | which is why i wanted to make an image of the actual fs on the device | 07:42 |
| kulve | I don't know about the params | 07:43 |
| kulve | they are usually started by mimetype I think | 07:43 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: 4 gb... wow! | 07:43 |
| jeepers | thanks for that much... that is a lot more than i had | 07:43 |
| jeepers | makuchaku: yeah... surprised me too | 07:44 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: okay, p7zip is thankfully in fedora-extras :) | 07:44 |
| jeepers | lol... yeah... | 07:45 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: blah... the image is corrupted... i'm downloading it again... i hope it runs the next time :) | 07:55 |
| jeepers | hopefully you're on a fast connection... | 07:56 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: last time, it took me 1 day to download :( | 07:57 |
| jeepers | i was on a business class dsl and it took me a few hours... if you have the space it might do to backup the file immediately after download | 07:57 |
| jeepers | i know it's 1gb but better safe... | 07:57 |
| jeepers | actually, it only took me two hours i think | 07:58 |
| jeepers | that can't be... never mind | 07:58 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: :) | 07:58 |
| jeepers | i just remembered that i left it running after work... i only watched it for two hours | 07:59 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: btw, is "7z e MaemoAppliance-1.0-6.10.7z.001" is the right command to extract? This command showed me errors in the Ubuntu.vmdk file. | 08:00 |
| jeepers | unfortunately i did this on windows so i used a graphical version... wait one | 08:01 |
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| jeepers | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/7za.html?section=1&name=7za | 08:03 |
| jeepers | makuchaku: try that | 08:04 |
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| makuchaku | jeepers: checking... | 08:04 |
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| makuchaku | jeepers: noops, data error again. Let me download the torrent again! | 08:06 |
| makuchaku | :( | 08:06 |
| jeepers | makuchaku: also (from bottom of man page) /usr/share/doc/p7zip/DOCS/MANUAL | 08:06 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: yap :) | 08:06 |
| makuchaku | jeepers: brb, need to get some tea :) | 08:06 |
| jeepers | rgr | 08:06 |
| makuchaku | :) | 08:06 |
| jeepers | anyone know where i can get more info on osso and plugins? | 08:10 |
| jeepers | makuchaku: does that mean it's working? | 08:11 |
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| makuchaku | jeepers: no :( | 08:19 |
| jeepers | i was rooting for you | 08:20 |
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| sxpert | tigert, the N800 was featured on the radio this morning... | 08:31 |
| sxpert | http://www.radiofrance.fr/chaines/france-info/chroniques/hightech/ | 08:31 |
| sxpert | the only bad thing noted was, as I understand, that the flash plugin is too old and thus prevents viewing some youtube-ish media | 08:32 |
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| gpd | can you unmute the tablet from the command line? | 08:39 |
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| jeepers | ok.. this is getting ridiculous... anyone know where the osso-pdfviewer binary is located? i can't find it in any repositories... | 08:44 |
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| MacSlow | MDK, ping | 08:51 |
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| jeepers | Is the pdf-viewer just unavailable? | 09:00 |
| jeepers | I can't believe that... but I can't find it. | 09:01 |
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| jeepers | for the record (and anyone searching this log later) - the only place I could find the pdf-viewer was as source from here: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/ | 09:06 |
| jeepers | not exactly a definitive repository | 09:07 |
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| keesj | Hi | 09:09 |
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| jeepers | ok.. g'nite all | 09:35 |
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| keesj | snow!!! | 09:50 |
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| MacSlow | I get /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `osso_g_scanner_cache_open' | 09:56 |
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| MacSlow | what library does provide this call? | 09:56 |
| MacSlow | apparently libosso does not suffice | 09:57 |
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| zuh | That's an osso extension for glib | 10:10 |
| zuh | (http://maemo.org/lxr/source/glib/glib/gscanner.h#223) | 10:10 |
| zuh | Maybe you have a vanilla glib pulled in from somewhere? | 10:11 |
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| MacSlow | zuh, kind of... figured it out... | 10:16 |
| MacSlow | I'm trying to get something going with cairo on the N800 and just starting to get to know coding inside scratchbox... | 10:17 |
| zuh | Cool :) | 10:17 |
| MacSlow | I totally don't get the way expose/refresh works on hildeon/osso | 10:17 |
| zuh | It _should_ be the same... Any particular problems with it? | 10:18 |
| zuh | Though I must admit there has been some funny stuff I've noticed too | 10:18 |
| zuh | Don't remember what though | 10:18 |
| MacSlow | well sofar I am only dealing with it inside teh x86 target on my laptop here... and the maemo-env inside xephyr flickers | 10:19 |
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| MacSlow | I need to get right into the fullscreen-mode anyway | 10:20 |
| zuh | Btw, building with CFLAGS='-mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp' most likely will be worth the trouble when you get to the point of running on device. I'm seeing up to 7x speedups with cairo-perf... | 10:23 |
| zuh | But that will make the binaries not run on QEMU | 10:23 |
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| zuh | So you'd need to have sbrsh set up if the compile process requires it | 10:23 |
| zuh | (I still need to blog/mail the list the results of my cairo-perf runs with vfp-enabled builds, but currently have lacked the time to do so...) | 10:25 |
| MacSlow | zuh, I fear I'm still far away from that point | 10:26 |
| MacSlow | but thanks for the hint... it's in my irc-log now | 10:27 |
| MacSlow | argl... what path/url is needed to chechout the examples? | 10:28 |
| MacSlow | https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/maemo_testing/maemo-examples here | 10:28 |
| zuh | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/maemo_testing/maemo-examples/ | 10:29 |
| zuh | ie. s,viewcvs.cgi,svn, | 10:29 |
| MacSlow | ok thx | 10:33 |
| tigert | "A first release of the OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition is now available for download." | 10:36 |
| tigert | wow | 10:37 |
| tigert | and this is 3 days old news | 10:37 |
| tigert | I need to read my news more often ;) | 10:37 |
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| MacSlow | hm... I assume if I want a proper fullscreen-able window I need to use a HildeonAppView instead of just a HildeonWindow?! | 10:39 |
| tigert | MacSlow: what are you working on? | 10:39 |
| MDK | MacSlow: pong | 10:40 |
| X-Fade | MacSlow: Will we see your lander game on N800 soon? :) | 10:40 |
| MacSlow | I'm trying very hard for getting a surprise going on teh N800 | 10:40 |
| MacSlow | X-Fade, I did not write the lander-game | 10:41 |
| c0ffee | moin | 10:41 |
| X-Fade | MacSlow: Ah, I thought you did.. | 10:41 |
| MacSlow | tigert, I | 10:41 |
| MDK | MacSlow: HildonAppView is totally deprectated | 10:42 |
| MacSlow | m trying to get going with some cairo-love on the N800 | 10:42 |
| MDK | do not use | 10:42 |
| MDK | just use HildonWindow and fire gtk_window_fullscreen on it | 10:42 |
| MacSlow | MDK, what Hildeon widget is the proper one to use to get a solid working fullscreen-mode going? | 10:42 |
| MDK | or whatever the function was | 10:42 |
| MacSlow | MDK, ok trying | 10:42 |
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| tigert | MacSlow: cool | 10:43 |
| tigert | MDK: nice progress on the mono stuff | 10:44 |
| MacSlow | still I fear I'm going to push the N800 too hard with what I have going here on my desktop boxes | 10:44 |
| timely | MDK: please use a spell checker | 10:44 |
| keesj | alp: where can we follow your mono work , I am very curious | 10:44 |
| timely | people who search for "deprectated" will or should not find what they seek | 10:44 |
| MacSlow | MDK, ok fullscreen works | 10:47 |
| MacSlow | but how to I get Hildeon to refresh my window when _I_ want it? | 10:48 |
| MacSlow | I just don't see the stuff I draw with cairo | 10:48 |
| MDK | timely: i don't give a hit | 10:49 |
| MDK | *shit | 10:49 |
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| MDK | MacSlow: how do you mean 'refresh' ? It works like standard GtkWindow | 10:49 |
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| MDK | there is the xserver hack we talked with tko the other day | 10:50 |
| zuh | MacSlow: Are you obeying the expose area? I remember having trouble with it... (the same code worked on desktop, but failed on device) | 10:50 |
| zuh | MDK: Just one?-) | 10:50 |
| MDK | MacSlow: you can't use the usuall gaming-like drawing model | 10:51 |
| MDK | (draw, switch buffers, check how much time elapsed, etc., draw... ) | 10:52 |
| MDK | because, putting it simple, switch buffers doesn't guarantee actual switching | 10:52 |
| MacSlow | MDK, well as a start I just want to see what I draw once (not game-like yet) | 10:52 |
| MDK | are you using Gtk 2.10 from experimental? | 10:53 |
| MacSlow | but in order to see what I drew with cairo in the expose even-handler needs me to e.g. damage the window with the menu on the left-side and only then see what has been drawn | 10:53 |
| MacSlow | MDK, no | 10:53 |
| MacSlow | just stock maemo 3.0 | 10:54 |
| MDK | uh. | 10:54 |
| MacSlow | and a cairo 1.13.10 compiled inside the x86-target on apophis | 10:54 |
| MDK | Than I don't know, we did a lot of bad things to gtk 2.6 | 10:54 |
| MacSlow | I tried to get newer glib/gtk going... | 10:55 |
| MacSlow | but ran into issues "walking down the depencendy chain" at the pango part | 10:55 |
| MDK | just use our experimental repository | 10:55 |
| MacSlow | some gnome-common/aclocal stuff just did not work | 10:55 |
| * zuh runs the upstream versions of the whole gtk stack up to gtkmm with no problems... | 10:55 | |
| MDK | this will brick some of your apps/functionality though | 10:56 |
| zuh | in fact I have a menu item in others menu that shuts down most of the UI (m-a-d, matchbox) and runs a demo UI there ;) | 10:56 |
| MacSlow | well what repo to use for scratchbox then? | 10:56 |
| MDK | http://pastebin.ca/342437 | 10:57 |
| MacSlow | I don't know if all this is really worth the trouble... if the "game-loop" like stuff does not work anyway | 10:57 |
| MDK | this is a work in progress though | 10:57 |
| MDK | (the experimental repo) | 10:58 |
| MacSlow | MDK, under which env do I have to edit the sources.list | 11:01 |
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| MDK | ie. scratchbox | 11:02 |
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| MacSlow | as root somewhere inside /scratchbox, as normal user logged in under a SDK_x86 target? | 11:02 |
| MDK | as normal user inside sbox | 11:02 |
| MDK | possibly with fakeroot | 11:02 |
| MDK | actually not | 11:02 |
| s-ndh-c | i couldnt use apt-get in my 386 sdk target | 11:03 |
| MDK | how come? | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:03 |
| s-ndh-c | not sure, even with fakeroot apt gave me error about not beeing able to lock some dir | 11:03 |
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| MacSlow | MDK, is there any document on the net/wiki that explains how the x-server and gtk inside maemo work? | 11:07 |
| MDK | not sure | 11:08 |
| MDK | gtk is not the problem afaik | 11:08 |
| MacSlow | MDK, not having access to the canola sources to try to learn form them makes all my intended plans... well certainly not easier | 11:08 |
| MDK | canola is using SDL | 11:08 |
| * MacSlow doesn't want to mention the missing OpenGL-driver for the MBR-chip :) | 11:08 | |
| MDK | and, obviously, a different interface to X | 11:08 |
| MacSlow | MDK, what do you mean with "different interface to X"? | 11:11 |
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| MDK | we have some modifications in our SDL too | 11:17 |
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| MacSlow | hi bilboed | 11:18 |
| bilboed | yop | 11:18 |
| * Jaffa finally catches up and sees the H9 stuff. Intriguing. | 11:20 | |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 11:30 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It would be nice if other vendors would also contribute to maemo. Coordinating the effort could be hard. | 11:34 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: if it is Maemo-based, hopefully having another vendor shipping Maemo will further encourage Nokia to separate Maemo releases from Nokia hardware releases/end-user product images. | 11:35 |
| mitcheloc | X-Fade: What other vendors use Maemo? | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | mitcheloc: Check planet.maemo.org ;) | 11:37 |
| nomis | is this really maemo or does it just look like it? | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | There are enough differences to suggest to me it's either a long-developed fork or a clone. | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Well it looks like it. | 11:38 |
| bedboi | Jaffa: what are you talking about? | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | e.g. the number of shortcuts in the task navigator; desktop buttons; clock in the task bar | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | bedboi: see http://planet.maemo.org/ | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: All those things can be done with only a few lines of code.. | 11:39 |
| mitcheloc | X-Fade: those blog entries have a lot of good info, i like that theme in there, makes me wish i didn't return my n800 heh | 11:39 |
| suihkulokki | Jaffa: We'll have to wait until they a) actually manage to release it b) realize that they actually need to publish some of their modifications =) | 11:40 |
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| mitcheloc | X-Fade: however that asian umpc one looks *really* nice | 11:40 |
| Jaffa | suihkulokki: :) | 11:40 |
| hap | is canola available for the n800 (same question everyday) | 11:40 |
| Jaffa | hap: I'm sure we'll see them posting about it on planet.maemo.org when they do | 11:40 |
| keesj | Jaffa: I created a lib for wxwidgets but the wx-config is not inserted in the -dev package. what is a good start to start looking? | 11:42 |
| hap | Jaffa: yeah right | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | mitcheloc: Nah, I like plankton a lot more.. | 11:42 |
| Jaffa | keesj: the debian/wxwidgets-dev.files file | 11:43 |
| roope | Well, it's a whole lot bigger. | 11:43 |
| roope | The device physically. | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | There are times I'd like a bigger, but same pixel count, screen | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | For example, you could get more information on screen due to things being readable at smaller sizes. You just have to look at the two screenshots to see that the H9's screen *looks* bigger. | 11:44 |
| roope | n800 has a 3.5 inch screen, that one has a 7 inch screen. It's actually a lot bigger. | 11:44 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I want a 22" monitor @ 220 dpi as my desktop :) | 11:44 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: yeah, that'd do :-) | 11:44 |
| mitcheloc | X-Fade: i was referring to the plankton theme? | 11:45 |
| keesj | Jaffa: and for version information (many packages I created do not have the right version in the deb file name | 11:45 |
| * Jaffa remembers seeing a stupidly high-resolution, large monitor at IBM. Had 4 VGA inputs and needed 4 graphics cards to drive it :) | 11:45 | |
| roope | sorry, um... 4.2 inch screen. | 11:45 |
| roope | Anyway. that's ... almost like pepper pad size. | 11:45 |
| Jaffa | keesj: that comes from the directory name in build/<package>, e.g. wxwidgets-1.0.0 | 11:45 |
| roope | pepper pad has 8 inch screen, for comparison. | 11:46 |
| mitcheloc | Jaffa: how do you play a movie across all for panels? | 11:46 |
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| mitcheloc | pepper pad is ugly :( | 11:46 |
| Jaffa | mitcheloc: across all four gfx cards? No idea. It was displaying a slideshow rather than a movie; and running Linux, so I guess Xinerama. | 11:46 |
| roope | Pepper pad is much too larger basically to carry and to use. We have one here. | 11:47 |
| MDK | I can bet 5e they just ripped the UI | 11:47 |
| MDK | not really using our libraries/code | 11:47 |
| keesj | roope: I live next to the RAI in amstedam and this week they had some publishing conference, on the outside there was a billboard like you see a tram stations with an LCD screen ,so it was pretty big , I really had to come very close in order to see pixels | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | MDK: I'd probably come down on the side of agreeing. There's still so much custom stuff in Maemo that they would have had to: 1) be very active on maemo-developers; 2) had a private agreement with Nokia | 11:48 |
| keesj | Jaffa http://paste-it.net/1184/raw/ | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | keesj: probably due to the capitals. | 11:50 |
| keesj | it talks about wxgtkBROKEN | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | keesj: that's fine, we handle that. It's just the Debian way. | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | keesj: Ah, I've found the bug. Hang on... | 11:51 |
| keesj | at the end the files are called wxgtk-dev_1_armel.deb and wxgtk1_1_armel.deb | 11:51 |
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| s-ndh-c | alp: you around? | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | keesj: that version problem should be fixed in r123. | 11:54 |
| keesj | trying, version control is so nice | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | Subversion rocks :) | 11:55 |
| hap | compared to CVS, for sure. | 11:58 |
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| * Jaffa had the joy of using PVCS when he started at his current $EMPLOYER. That was unfun. CMVC at IBM's a bundle of laughs too. | 11:59 | |
| keesj | I still use both a lot | 11:59 |
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| keesj | I hope h9 is gentoo based :p | 12:05 |
| keesj | begin able to build everything from source really is great | 12:05 |
| inz | I'm able to do that in debian. Debian, however, doesn't force me to do that. | 12:11 |
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| keesj | Yes, I guess you are right | 12:11 |
| keesj | I am just so used to have an up2date system with no releases. | 12:12 |
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| suihkulokki | keesj: you *are* aware that there is multiple other ways of compiling a distro for sources other than gentoo? | 12:13 |
| keesj | But I have not been able to create gentoo package either :p | 12:13 |
| keesj | well a source ports collections is just great. | 12:13 |
| koen | suihkulokki: no, gentoo is the only one that is source-based | 12:14 |
| koen | suihkulokki: as the g3nt00 people keep telling me | 12:14 |
| keesj | I liked it in my bsd day's and I still think it is superiour | 12:14 |
| koen | I'm happy with my pixie-dust based debian | 12:14 |
| keesj | koen: url? | 12:14 |
| s-ndh-c | so lfs is not source-based? | 12:15 |
| koen | keesj: almost every /. announcement about gentoo | 12:15 |
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| keesj | koen: sorry , I don't understand , can you explain a little more what pixie-dust is? | 12:17 |
| koen | keesj: "onzin spul", something made up | 12:18 |
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| keesj | koen: but there must be a good reson why there is no current armel target for debian? | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | keesj: big projects move slowly | 12:25 |
| keesj | do you think that will happen some day? | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | http://armel-debs.applieddata.net/debian/ is one company's start at it | 12:25 |
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| dwd | Has anyone tried making the N800 (or 770) act as a bluetooth headset? | 12:27 |
| dwd | I was really thinking it might be much better as a speakerphone than the one in the phone, especially in the car. | 12:28 |
| mitcheloc | dwd: cool idea... i didn't think the speakers were loud enough though | 12:29 |
| dwd | mitcheloc, Louder than the phone's, I'd have thought. | 12:30 |
| dwd | mitcheloc, Culd build a nice dialler interface, too, if you culd figure out how it would actually dial. :-) | 12:31 |
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| inz | gammu might help there | 12:38 |
| Veggen | dwd: phonelink does that? | 12:39 |
| Veggen | (not tried, saw it on garage or in the app.catalog) | 12:39 |
| dwd | inz: I was thinking of looking into Gammu/Wammu/whatever, actually. | 12:40 |
| s-ndh-c | what are those .install files? | 12:42 |
| * pahartik would like Nokia 770 to tell who is "calling" to Bluetooth paired telephone | 12:42 | |
| s-ndh-c | pahartik: isnt that possible? | 12:43 |
| pahartik | s-ndh-c: Does current software support that feature? | 12:44 |
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| s-ndh-c | pahartik: not sure, thats why iam asking :) | 12:47 |
| inz | dwd, I've made gammu packages earlier for mistral, not sure if the work on bora | 12:47 |
| inz | dwd, I meant to do a sms writing app, but didn't. =) | 12:47 |
| s-ndh-c | inz: where can i get that? | 12:47 |
| s-ndh-c | do you still have the package? | 12:47 |
| inz | s-ndh-c, maemo-hackers.org repository | 12:48 |
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| s-ndh-c | not sure if get that right but does that calls --monitor thing monitor for new calls? | 12:50 |
| inz | dunno | 12:51 |
| dwd | inz: You have Bora and an N800, right? | 12:51 |
| s-ndh-c | will check that out | 12:51 |
| inz | dwd, "yes" | 12:51 |
| pahartik | s-ndh-c: I just recently got WCDMA uplink with Bluetooth 2.0 and got more curious again | 12:51 |
| maddler | "jffs2_scan_inode_node(): CRC failed on node at" | 12:52 |
| maddler | any clue on what does this mean? | 12:52 |
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| maddler | sounds like flash memory gor somehow corrupted... | 12:52 |
| dwd | inz: So the gammu work just ran out of steam for a bit. I'll have to have a fiddle, see what it can do. | 12:53 |
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| inz | I'll have to rebuild for bora, it uses libbluetooth2, where mistral used libbluetooth1 | 12:54 |
| maddler | is there any way to check jffs2 filesystem? | 12:59 |
| dwd | inz: Is the source in the repository too? If so, I'll just recompile it. I'll see if I can get python-gammu working, too. | 12:59 |
| inz | dwd, I just recompiled | 13:03 |
| inz | dwd, so now there's a bora version too | 13:03 |
| dwd | inz: Oh, cool. | 13:04 |
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| dwd | inz: I'll have to see if I can get the Python interface working, and dummy up something. | 13:04 |
| hap | gizmocall.com | 13:08 |
| hap | awesome | 13:08 |
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| Jaffa | Aha, N800 sources are available: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=953#c8 | 13:12 |
| hap | ah good | 13:14 |
| hap | need to inject that into the SDK, so we can use it there | 13:15 |
| hap | and change that shitty UI | 13:15 |
| * Jaffa downloads and unpacks like Koen did for OS 2006. | 13:16 | |
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| littlefae | Hello everybody | 13:19 |
| littlefae | Tak, are you around good buddy? :) | 13:19 |
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| Jaffa | For your pleasure: http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/ | 13:29 |
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| |tbb|_ | hap nice what they say about linux on gizmocall.com | 13:45 |
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| dwd | Jaffa: Ooooh. | 13:55 |
| |tbb| | i would like to know if it will be hard to modify the rss-feed-reader applet that it works for example like a news ticker? | 13:57 |
| hap | |tbb|: didn't check, i tried with my powerbook | 14:03 |
| hap | |tbb|: what do they say ? | 14:03 |
| |tbb| | who? ive talk to nobody | 14:04 |
| |tbb| | yeah, gizmo works now for europe countrys. the version for the n800 before has always cut out the "+" while dialing. go upgrade! | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | Ah, tango-fied 770 and N800 icons: http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=39 | 14:07 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: the svn update broke the wxGtk :( perhaps this is a Capital problem again? http://paste-it.net/1190 | 14:31 |
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| pippin | eek, I think I've received a semi broken N800 :| | 14:45 |
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| Molagi | whats wrong about it | 14:46 |
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| pippin | trying to snap a photograph of the screen, (it seems like something driving the display itself isn't correctly aligned, thus I get color fringes and slight artifacts in the display) | 14:47 |
| qos | hey guys ... i want to flash a new kernel to my 770 :) is there a good guide or are there important things? | 14:48 |
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| qos | somebody alive? | 14:59 |
| pippin | Molagi: http://pippin.gimp.org/tmp/n800-display-errors.png | 14:59 |
| Molagi | oh that looks ugly | 15:00 |
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| qos | and its not normal ;) | 15:00 |
| qos | i have an n800 without these errors | 15:00 |
| * pippin knows how the display is supposed to look :] | 15:01 | |
| pippin | the question is what to do about it | 15:01 |
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| Molagi | send it back | 15:04 |
| * pippin is looking through the papers trying to figure out where to :] | 15:05 | |
| qos | does somebody know where the diffrence is between flashing an entire maemo image and flashing only an kernel... | 15:05 |
| qos | ? | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | qos: Entrire image also contains rootfs, initfs, bootloader.. | 15:07 |
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| X-Fade | *entire | 15:07 |
| qos | X-Fade, so if i flash only a kernel is replaces only some directory of the fs? | 15:09 |
| keesj | pippin: lol I tried to view the soruce code of http://www.gegl.org/gallery/OpenRaster-04.txt ,even in vi I get the black bars | 15:09 |
| inz | qos, it doesn't do anything to the (root)fs | 15:09 |
| inz | qos, but instead puts the kernel onto it's partition | 15:09 |
| * pippin ❤ utf8 | 15:10 | |
| qos | sooo the kernel is on a serperate partition? | 15:10 |
| inz | qos, yeah | 15:10 |
| qos | inz, thx a lot | 15:11 |
| qos | so i want to flash the lastest OS 2006 ... but another kernel. first the new image ... than the new kernel? | 15:12 |
| inz | qos, or use the --flash-only option | 15:13 |
| inz | qos, or you might also be able to specify -F <new image> -k <kernel image> -f, but not sure of that | 15:13 |
| qos | inz, something to regard? | 15:13 |
| qos | inz, to use a full battery or tips like that? | 15:14 |
| inz | qos, just make sure the battery is not totally empty | 15:14 |
| inz | qos, I've flashed "my" device dozens of times, and have yet to see a failed flash | 15:15 |
| inz | Even if the battery is totally empty, a reflash should do it | 15:15 |
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| qos | inz, okay thx | 15:18 |
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| pippin | bah, nokia tells me to seek out the nearest service center with the device :| (which is at least 2h drive from here) | 15:20 |
| keesj | it was 5 minutes on the bicle for me! | 15:20 |
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| |tbb| | how can i remove a packet which i installed via dpkg -i debfile.deb like with apt-get remove --purge bla | 15:22 |
| pippin | I'll just have to postpone it until a time when I'll be in the vicinity of such a service point then :/, might be a couple of weeks | 15:22 |
| s-ndh-c | |tbb|: dpkg --purge? | 15:22 |
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| |tbb| | why do i have often to run af-sb-init.sh start then stop then again start to get the gui visible? | 15:30 |
| nomis | (and why doesn't af-sb-init.sh stop kill all the processes it started?) | 15:31 |
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| maddler | damn... can't manually install libncurses5_5.4-3.osso1_armel.deb | 15:40 |
| |tbb| | i would like to run osso-öock-ui but following error appears -> http://pastebin.ca/342660 | 15:42 |
| maddler | it says it's inncompatible | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | keesj: next time I'll check it. Anyway, I'll have a look shortly. | 15:44 |
| keesj | I have fixed it in my version right now , don't worry :p | 15:45 |
| keesj | I run from one problem to the next .. now the wx-config link is installed but is absolute wx-config -> /home/keesj/mud-builder/build/wxgtk/wxGTK-2.8.0/debian/tmp/usr/lib/wx/config/gtk2-ansi-release-2.8 | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | keesj: feel free to commit the fix | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | keesj : ta, my stupid fault. Sorry. | 15:50 |
| keesj | Jaffa: that is the problem when you are the sole developer it is always you fault | 15:51 |
| keesj | and if it is open-source people know where to find you | 15:51 |
| |tbb| | ive modified the png files of statusbarclock src ive recompiled them and installed the package but the diggit color still remains being black. after i have change it to red. How can i be sure that the dpkg install method wont install the clock from cache or somewhere else? ive done before dpkg --purge statusbarclock before i done dpkg -i modified-statusbarclock.deb | 15:52 |
| |tbb| | i cant test it on scratchbox because i cant get the osso-clock-ui to run and change analog to digital - see errors on pastbin url | 15:53 |
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| pancake | does I have to put my projects into the garage | 16:14 |
| pancake | to be accessible from the maemo-apps page? | 16:14 |
| pancake | or wtf does I've to do? | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | pancake: no, they can be anywhere. You need a Garage account and then you follow the well-written user guide. In other words, you RTFM ;-) | 16:15 |
| pancake | good | 16:16 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 16:16 |
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| pancake | but i don't understand why it's mandatory to have a garage account :) | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | You don't need a garage project. | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | But the garage account can be considered the "maemo.org login" | 16:16 |
| pancake | i say "garage account" | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | You obviously need *some* authentication to stop vandalism, give some accountability etc. | 16:17 |
| pancake | there was any problem before? | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | No, it just makes sense. | 16:18 |
| pancake | so, if the garage account is the maemo one too | 16:18 |
| pancake | why does my account only works in the garage? | 16:18 |
| keesj | Jaffa: the singing does not for me | 16:19 |
| Jaffa | pancake: I don't understand. | 16:20 |
| keesj | at leat can't we just get a ssh garage account with everyting setup | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | keesj: ? | 16:20 |
| keesj | just like sourcefoge , | 16:20 |
| keesj | you upload , login to you own project and publish the dam file , how hard can that be? | 16:20 |
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| pancake | Jaffa: does the garage account must enable be to login here? http://downloads.maemo.org/midcom-login- | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | pancake: I thought it did, as I said: RTFM. | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | pancake: mine works there | 16:21 |
| pancake | that's what i'm doing, and it doesn't work | 16:21 |
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| pancake | that's the problem :) | 16:21 |
| pancake | btw i've no time for burocracy now | 16:21 |
| keesj | and the .install is as 10.000 times bigger security issue | 16:21 |
| pancake | thanks | 16:22 |
| * pancake back to work | 16:22 | |
| Jaffa | keesj: agreed, but I can see why they didn't want to give shell access out - and dput works for Debian (I assume) | 16:22 |
| keesj | it would be better if all the package in the extra's repo where signed so that at leat you know where they come from | 16:22 |
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| Akatemik | Hi all. Is this channel dedicated to dev discussion, or could I ask about app availability too? | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | Ask the question, not a meta-question ;-) | 16:40 |
| Akatemik | Sure thing :) | 16:40 |
| dwd | Jaffa: Can I ask if I can ask a question? | 16:41 |
| Akatemik | So, I've been offered a cheap 770 (buddy moving on to 800). I wonder if there are programs so that I could take my mail to bus (offline), read them, write answers and sync again to imaps server while back online | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | dwd: A meta-meta-question? | 16:41 |
| Akatemik | Basicly I would like to do something semi-useful while transiting from one place to another | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | Akatemik: yes, both the built-in email client (such as it is), and Sylpheed (<plug />) support offline modes. | 16:42 |
| Akatemik | Oh, great | 16:42 |
| c0ffee | however, the built-in email client only support imap up to a certain (very low) degree | 16:42 |
| Akatemik | My buddy didn't use it for mail, so all he could say was that the original client is regarded as awful by many | 16:43 |
| Akatemik | I'll google sylpheed, let's see... | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | http://bleb.org/software/770/#sylpheed | 16:43 |
| everaldo | MDK, ping | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | Akatemik: I'll give you that one for free, since I know my own URLs ;-) | 16:43 |
| ferulo | MDK, 48! | 16:43 |
| Akatemik | Jaffa: What is this? Service on an irc channel :) | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | Akatemik: don't get used to it, I've got real work to do ;-) | 16:44 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, no gpg... Well, I'll live | 16:44 |
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| kkito | hello | 16:45 |
| Akatemik | It says that deving isn't finished. Will it ever be finished for 770 or will the final version be only for N800? This is one of the things I'm a bit afraid of, that 770 will be dumped now. | 16:45 |
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| Jaffa | Akatemik: I have no plans to not support Sylpheed on earlier devices. | 16:47 |
| Akatemik | Also, what is the status of PIM software on 770, can I use it as a "real" pda replacing my pencil&paper calendar? | 16:47 |
| Akatemik | Jaffa: Sounds great | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | Akatemik: see GPE Calendar, or others. | 16:47 |
| Veggen | Akatemik: replacing pen and paper, it should be good at. It's the synch-to-everywhere that's a bit tricky. | 16:48 |
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| Akatemik | Veggen: I don't have anything to sync to, I'm afraid :) | 16:49 |
| Akatemik | Since syncing my paper calendar is a bit hard, I haven't tried to use my laptop as my PIM | 16:50 |
| Akatemik | Jaffa: Yeah, looks ok. If it also works fine, then I'll just go and buy that 770 | 16:50 |
| Akatemik | Veggen: If I can make backups easily, it should be ok enough | 16:51 |
| Veggen | if builtin backup doesn't do it, it's not so difficult to do it with making a simple script or similar. | 16:52 |
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| Veggen | the builtin backup is known to be a bit limited in what it deems backup-worthy, and isn't that configurable. | 16:52 |
| Akatemik | Ok. I think this is all I need to know to make me buy it. All else is justa bonus :) | 16:52 |
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| kkito | any news about canola on n800 ? | 16:58 |
| etrunko | kkito: not yet | 17:02 |
| kkito | etrunko, :( oh | 17:03 |
| kkito | etrunko, are you one of the developers | 17:03 |
| kkito | ? | 17:03 |
| etrunko | kkito: not really, but we are co-workers | 17:04 |
| etrunko | kkito: sometimes i do some tests for them | 17:04 |
| kkito | etrunko, oh, and do you know when the n800 version will be released? | 17:05 |
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| etrunko | kkito: unfortunately not.... maybe together with the new 770 version | 17:06 |
| etrunko | ;) | 17:06 |
| kkito | well i must to wait a little more... | 17:06 |
| etrunko | kkito: i'm sure you won't regret | 17:08 |
| keesj | I am searching for information about the debian/*.install file format and the new maintainers guide does not help | 17:08 |
| jcml_ | keesj: hideous guess: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/doc/repository.txt | 17:10 |
| keesj | nope :) but that is also good information :p | 17:11 |
| jcml_ | sorry! :) | 17:12 |
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| X-Fade | keesj: Isn't this what you are looking for? http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html | 17:12 |
| kkito | did somebody try to port quake2 to n800 ? | 17:13 |
| keesj | I will read it again , perhaps I have just mised it thanks | 17:13 |
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| X-Fade | keesj: What is it you are missing? :) | 17:14 |
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| * jcml_ would give large amounts of money for quake to be ported, performant and usable with a BT mouse ...</hint> | 17:16 | |
| keesj | I have a package that contains debian/aafd.install files , apparently it looks like a list of files that will be packages when I create the deb. I am searching for documentation about that , what kind of whildcards can I use for example? | 17:16 |
| zuh | jcml_: Buy an UMPC?-) | 17:17 |
| keesj | UMPC == opengl? | 17:17 |
| zuh | I thing those could run it in sw mode | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | keesj: man dh_install | 17:17 |
| zuh | But "usable" is dirt in the eye of the beholder or something ;) | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | note that debian/foo.install is completely different from the maemo one-click .install files as described in http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html | 17:17 |
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| kulve | keesj: I think you can use "normal" wildcards | 17:17 |
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| keesj | kulve: thanks | 17:20 |
| kkito | well if nokia wants to pay for the powervr license we can have opengl support in the n800 | 17:21 |
| jcml_ | zuh: FOAD, you M$-lovin' capitalist ... ;-) | 17:21 |
| zuh | We run gentoo on our Samsung Q1... ;) | 17:24 |
| jcml_ | Ouch - I played with the Q1 for a week :( *pain*pain*pain* !!! | 17:28 |
| keesj | zuh: what does it cost? I really have been disovering so much devices this week | 17:29 |
| keesj | zuh: and who are We if I may ask? | 17:30 |
| jcml_ | keesj: $LOTS. /Far/ more than you can justify for a substandard tablet. About the only decent thing was the stand on the back, IMHO ... :) | 17:31 |
| kulve | keesj: zuh left already, but he'll probably comment later.. | 17:31 |
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| Jaffa | jcml_: which the N800 has now :) | 17:32 |
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| jcml_ | Jaffa: My point /exactly/. | 17:34 |
| jcml_ | Jaffa: Had I made it. | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | :) | 17:34 |
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| X-Fade | Too bad there are only Linux 2.4 Powervr drivers with lots of digital blobs. That makes it hard to get powervr running.. | 17:37 |
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| kulve | that powervr could be quite cool.. | 17:37 |
| s-ndh-c | whats the prefered language for developing apps for maemo? c or python? | 17:38 |
| kulve | c ofc ;) | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | C, with Python a close second. | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | I'm looking at the old driver and that doesn't give me much hope.. | 17:38 |
| kulve | X-Fade: yeah, I'm pretty sure there won't be powervr unless nokia provides it.. | 17:38 |
| s-ndh-c | just wondered as there seems to python bindings for all that stuff | 17:39 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 17:39 |
| s-ndh-c | +be | 17:39 |
| kulve | "MBX provides fill rates in excess of 300 million pixels/sec and throughput of 3.7 million triangles/sec, from a very small, very power-efficient core." | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Imgtec doesn't even have a linux 2.6 driver. So even if Nokia wanted it.. | 17:40 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Those Dell Axim X50v demos look sweet :) | 17:41 |
| Tak | I'm confused about what the "tools and utilities" listmail is asking for | 17:44 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to run ssh -X sessions in fullscreen mode? | 17:46 |
| |tbb| | i try to start poker online via ssh -X session but without fullscreen no bid ;) | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: if the window opens itself full screen, it should work. Alternatively VNC... | 17:48 |
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| |tbb| | it runs under wine ;/ | 17:52 |
| keesj | s-ndh-c: I am am playing with wxLua | 17:57 |
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| neal | checked the md5sum on gergely and falshing a 770 with either flasher 2.0 or 3.0 results in Bootloader error log follows: Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed! Invalid magic on JFFS2 block 0 Image not complete | 17:59 |
| neal | I'm sure there is some logical explanation for this but it escapes me. | 17:59 |
| keesj | s-ndh-c: but my guess would be that c# is a very atractive platform. | 18:01 |
| keesj | unless we get java jit jazelle for free | 18:02 |
| s-ndh-c | keesj: yeah c# is cool | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | Hmm look what I found: | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/insider/Downloads/DocumentDownloads/index.asp?Page=PowerVRSDKs#1 | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | It seems they have a linux sdk for TI OMAP2420 :) | 18:09 |
| keesj | http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/Downloads/files/SDK_OGLES_LINUX_MV_ARMV6.tgz | 18:10 |
| neal | this http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_use_flasher_rootfs_bora.html , only recommends -r, not -F which was required in my case | 18:11 |
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| X-Fade | I was able to download the openvg dsk :) | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | *sdk | 18:13 |
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| |tbb| | yeah, have found out how it goes, first change the size of the window, and then do maximized an i can see the whole screen | 18:14 |
| keesj | so you only need drivers now :p | 18:15 |
| kulve | X-Fade: you don't do much with it | 18:15 |
| kkito | if someone can make a bug report for the powervr support will be nice :P | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | Hmm yeah, so it seems: http://rafb.net/p/Ti5q1p49.html | 18:16 |
| kulve | X-Fade: But I would guess that they do have stuff working on 2.6 even though it might not been publicly announced. But I also guess that they would bill pretty much for using the chip/software/whatever and nokia is not willing to pay for it | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | Well, Nokia payed TI for the chips. So I guess they will need to ask TI :) | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | But if I'm not mistaking some Nokia phones also use the powervr core? | 18:19 |
| kulve | TI probably bought the thing from powervr. Dunno which one should be asked.. | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/Downloads/files/SDK_OGLES_LINUX_ARMV4.zip Pretty big sdk. Too bad we don't have drivers. | 18:21 |
| kulve | X-Fade: Yeah, afaik some nokia phone uses omap2 and they have hw accelerated 3d, so they might be using the powervr chip. | 18:22 |
| kkito | perhaps they are using symbian os not linux, and nokia pays for the symbian drivers | 18:23 |
| |tbb| | hmmh little problem after the display goes into save mode (goes black) and then u type on the touchscreen the X-Window is unvisible and u cant get it anymore to the foreground :/ | 18:23 |
| kulve | kkito: yep, those are symbian phones | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | Ti has sdks too: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12700&contentId=27458 | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | Notice the linux 2.4 there too :( | 18:24 |
| kkito | http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?ID=589 <-- here it says that 2.6 kernel is supported | 18:26 |
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| alp | it strikes me as suspicious. have you ever seen a real software firm with a product call itself an IP business? | 18:31 |
| kulve | http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?ID=609 | 18:31 |
| kulve | (2.4 Kernel) | 18:31 |
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| keesj | what does this all mean? | 18:32 |
| keesj | so they say 2.6 is supported , so that is not the reason it is not included | 18:33 |
| suihkulokki | keesj: with GPL'd driver in mainline linux? | 18:34 |
| alp | IP firms i can think of in the past include unisys trying to license gif, SCO etc. and they all had something in common: they were trying to charge for a commodity. if these guys actually had a 2.6 kernel mobile graphics framework, surely they would be showing it off by now | 18:34 |
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| jonek | hi, is openSSH usable on the N800? | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | yes | 18:39 |
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| keesj | jonek: works good | 18:39 |
| keesj | suihkulokki: just having it would be great , GPL would be a second step | 18:40 |
| jonek | download the .deb and dpkg -i ? | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | jonek: apt-get install ssh | 18:40 |
| keesj | jonek: I think the .install from download maemo faile (did you try it?) | 18:41 |
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| keesj | I think I just added the maemo repo and typed apt-get install | 18:41 |
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| Tak | is there an issue tracker for the new faq yet? | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | ? | 18:51 |
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| bedboi | are there packages with gstreamer utils? | 19:15 |
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| kender | bedboi, yes, there are | 19:21 |
| bedboi | kender: url? | 19:22 |
| kender | bedboi, maemo repo, I think | 19:22 |
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| kender | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.9-osso6_armel.deb | 19:23 |
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| keesj | kender: the uinput module you compiled worked for | 19:24 |
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| kender | keesj, great | 19:25 |
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| kender | keesj, I tried synergy too, it worked, but not very well | 19:26 |
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| keesj | what kind of problems did you have? | 19:26 |
| kender | I tried using the touchscreen as a mouse for the pc | 19:26 |
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| kender | The mouse worked as if it was "clicked" always | 19:27 |
| kender | the moviments were very fast | 19:27 |
| kender | and if you "tap" in two diferent places, the mouse doesn't move | 19:27 |
| keesj | so the mouse movent need to be absolute and are relative right? | 19:28 |
| kender | yes | 19:28 |
| kender | I think that is because it is treated as a mouse, and no as a touchscreen | 19:29 |
| keesj | and it would be nice to get presure information then | 19:29 |
| kender | yes, too | 19:29 |
| kender | hehe | 19:29 |
| kender | keesj, I must study, see you later :) | 19:32 |
| keesj | bye | 19:32 |
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| jeepers | morning, folks | 19:56 |
| jeepers | has anyone installed the pdf-viewer from source? | 19:56 |
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| tzz | jeepers: I have only used evince, sorry | 19:59 |
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| jeepers | thanks, anyway... i found a source package from some obscure site (because maemo/nokia doesn't seem to have the packages available in the repositories)... | 20:00 |
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| jeepers | but it won't compile. it has some freetype related issues... | 20:01 |
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| jeepers | ok... i'm trying to make a package out of pdf-viewer source... | 20:20 |
| jeepers | I have freetype in /usr/include/freetype2/freetype | 20:21 |
| tko | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? | 20:21 |
| jeepers | yeah... | 20:21 |
| jeepers | the error i get is: | 20:21 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:17:10: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME> | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc: In constructor `SplashFTFont::SplashFTFont(SplashFTFontFile*, SplashCoord*)': | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:46: error: `FT_New_Size' undeclared (first use this function) | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:46: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc: In member function `virtual SplashPath* SplashFTFont::getGlyphPath(int)': | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:219: error: invalid conversion from `int (*)(FT_Vector*, void*)' to `int (*)(const FT_Vector*, void*)' | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:219: error: invalid conversion from `int (*)(FT_Vector*, void*)' to `int (*)(const FT_Vector*, void*)' | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:219: error: invalid conversion from `int (*)(FT_Vector*, FT_Vector*, void*)' to `int (*)(const FT_Vector*, const FT_Vector*, void*)' | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:219: error: invalid conversion from `int (*)(FT_Vector*, FT_Vector*, FT_Vector*, void*)' to `int (*)(const FT_Vector*, const FT_Vector*, const FT_Vector*, void*)' | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:224: error: `FT_Glyph' undeclared (first use this function) | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:224: error: expected `;' before "glyph" | 20:22 |
| fish | ARGS | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:238: error: `glyph' undeclared (first use this function) | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:238: error: `FT_Get_Glyph' undeclared (first use this function) | 20:22 |
| fish | stfu | 20:22 |
| tko | make it stop! | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:243: error: `FT_OutlineGlyph' undeclared (first use this function) | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:243: error: expected `)' before "glyph" | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:248: error: `FT_Done_Glyph' undeclared (first use this function) | 20:22 |
| jeepers | SplashFTFont.cc:213: warning: unused variable 'outlineFuncs' | 20:22 |
| jeepers | make[3]: *** [SplashFTFont.o] Error 1 | 20:22 |
| jeepers | make[3]: Leaving directory `/scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/osso-pdf-viewer-1.2.24/splash' | 20:22 |
| jeepers | make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 | 20:22 |
| jeepers | make[2]: Leaving directory `/scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/osso-pdf-viewer-1.2.24' | 20:22 |
| jeepers | make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 | 20:22 |
| jeepers | make[1]: Leaving directory `/scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/osso-pdf-viewer-1.2.24' | 20:22 |
| jeepers | make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 | 20:22 |
| jeepers | all of this is done in the maemo scratchbox chroot | 20:22 |
| X-Fade | Oh man ;) | 20:23 |
| jeepers | it looks bad but i think it is only a freetype issue... | 20:23 |
| tko | jeepers, unmodified rootstrap? | 20:23 |
| jeepers | due to other stuff i've seen on the web | 20:23 |
| jeepers | yeah.. unmodified | 20:23 |
| fish | btw is there something like syslog on maemo? maybe something like a logging ringbuffer like on openwrt (i think its part of busybox, logread) | 20:23 |
| tko | IIRC freetype used to suggest using #include FREETYPE_H or something, which isn't nice | 20:24 |
| X-Fade | fish: you can just apt-get install syslog.. | 20:24 |
| Juhaz | jeepers, please use a pastebin if it's more than few lines... | 20:24 |
| jeepers | sorry... ok | 20:24 |
| tko | does GPL require that the released source code actually compiles? :) | 20:24 |
| jeepers | funny... | 20:24 |
| jeepers | hey... everyone seemed asleep so i thought i'd wake ya'll up :) | 20:25 |
| fish | X-Fade: uhm okay ;) | 20:25 |
| Tak | should be ok as long as it doesn't compile on the dev's system either ;-) | 20:25 |
| keesj | tko: I don't even think you are required to deliver the build tools | 20:25 |
| tko | jeepers, there's probably some odd difference between our internal build environment and yours.. you might want to complain to the list or bugzilla | 20:26 |
| fish | X-Fade: but maybe logging everything to the memory is not a very good idea because the limited write cycles.. | 20:26 |
| fish | X-Fade: thats why they use this logging buffer stuff on openwrt | 20:26 |
| tko | keesj, if the compiler is 'common enough' but I think you are required to deliver specialised tools | 20:26 |
| keesj | so I think you could make something opensource without devivering the Makefiles and such | 20:26 |
| jeepers | tko: ok... i'll see if i can figure out what that difference is first | 20:26 |
| tko | jeepers, you can't, that would be up to the SDK maintainers | 20:27 |
| Tak | keesj: one could argue that the build system is part of the project | 20:27 |
| jeepers | tko: well, i can find out how to get mine to compile. | 20:27 |
| fish | keesj: afaik, no | 20:27 |
| fish | keesj: the makefile must be released too | 20:28 |
| keesj | yes , but may well have a different license . just like bitkeper was used for linux development | 20:28 |
| jeepers | tko: that's more important to me right now... and it will give the folks somewhere to start in fixing the maemo image supplied on vmware | 20:28 |
| Tak | true - but the normal autotools-based project has the COPYING file covering all the contents, including (presumably) the build scripts | 20:29 |
| keesj | no way that the Makefile fall under that same licence as the software | 20:29 |
| tko | jeepers, I can only think of different versions of freetype or compilers, neither which makes any sense | 20:29 |
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| lle2 | keesj: "complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable" | 20:31 |
| lle2 | keesj: from section 3 of gpl | 20:32 |
| keesj | wow | 20:33 |
| keesj | hmm . I did not aways to that. | 20:35 |
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| koen | keesj: also note how nokia's statement on 'release after cleaning up the source' violates the GPL as well | 20:35 |
| Akatemik | hi again, ircing with my new, second hand 770 :) | 20:35 |
| fish | what do you recomment to play simple .wav files? i need something for kismet... | 20:35 |
| koen | keesj: the GPL wants the source as it was when building the distributed binary | 20:35 |
| Tak | Akatemik: very nice - what are secondhand 770s going for nowadays? | 20:35 |
| * Tak reports keesj to the FSF | 20:36 | |
| tko | koen, we made such statements? | 20:36 |
| Akatemik | application manager says that dropbear is broken, but seems to work... | 20:36 |
| Akatemik | Tak: 80eur | 20:36 |
| koen | tko: yes | 20:36 |
| Tak | hmm, not bad | 20:36 |
| Akatemik | indeed | 20:37 |
| Tak | at that price, I might get another just to mount in my car or something | 20:37 |
| koen | tko: see the thread where I ask for the wifi driver source | 20:37 |
| Akatemik | Tak: friend's a dev, switched to 800 | 20:37 |
| keesj | GPL gives freedom to the source , not the user :( | 20:37 |
| * Tak nods | 20:38 | |
| Tak | I'd say GPL gives freedom to the user, not (necessarily) the developer | 20:38 |
| Akatemik | those smug bastards get these for 99, brand new | 20:38 |
| Tak | lol | 20:38 |
| * Tak tries not to look like a smug bastard | 20:39 | |
| * Juhaz spots a smug bastard | 20:39 | |
| Tak | foiled! | 20:39 |
| * koen is a smug bastard regardless of the discounts | 20:39 | |
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| tzz | 770 is a top seller on amazon at $300 today btw. I thought that was interesting. | 20:44 |
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| tko | koen, I see there's a difference between complying with the GPL and proactively making source available to the world | 20:46 |
| koen | tko: there is | 20:46 |
| koen | tko: but starting to nitpick about email not being a proper medium to ask is just pissing people off | 20:47 |
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| tko | koen, dunno about email, but maemo-developers is not the proper recipient for such requests | 20:51 |
| koen | tko: it seems to be, as the author of the code responds there | 20:51 |
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| jeepers | is there somewhere i can get an "official" package or source for the pdf viewer? | 20:52 |
| koen | so either don't respond, or stop playing silly games | 20:52 |
| koen | you can't have both | 20:52 |
| tko | koen, author of the code is not the one who's going to take care of shipping the sources.. the correct recipient is stated in the gpl offer | 20:53 |
| tko | the list might work because many people read it, but in such cases it's more like an accident | 20:53 |
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| tko | for example talking about the pdf-reader on the list probably won't get you far | 20:54 |
| jeepers | tko: YEAH! | 20:55 |
| noir | hi | 20:55 |
| jeepers | so how about that package for the reader? | 20:55 |
| Veggen | hmmf. does one accept the "EUSA" or what they called it? Does it in any way govern how I can release things developed with it? | 20:56 |
| c0ffee | jaffa pasted an uirl to the n800 sources earlier today | 20:56 |
| keesj | also on the mailing list | 20:57 |
| jeepers | c0ffee: was that in response to the question about pdf reader sources? | 20:57 |
| tko | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkD90ZV07zo :) | 20:57 |
| c0ffee | yes | 20:57 |
| jeepers | thanks | 20:57 |
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| jonnylamb | hey. i'm a little new to this. i got my n800 last night and am very impressed. there are a few things I want to help claer up though. could someone tell me where the code for libconic is.. i'm having a little trouble finding myself around on viewsvn..! | 21:01 |
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| Veggen | What does one need the EUSA binaries for? | 21:01 |
| keesj | tko, lol | 21:03 |
| jeepers | c0ffee: should i just be downloading the tar from http://maemo.org/downloads/Nokia_N800_OS.php or am i looking in the wrong spot? | 21:03 |
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| jeepers | c0ffee: is the pdf-viewer source contained in that tar? | 21:03 |
| c0ffee | should | 21:04 |
| jeepers | c0ffee: ok.. downloading... thanks again | 21:04 |
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| nomis | jeepers: someone already unpacked this. | 21:05 |
| c0ffee | osso-pdf-viewer 1.3.49-2 | 21:05 |
| Veggen | (hmmf. to accept or not to accept) | 21:05 |
| jeepers | nomis: where is that? | 21:05 |
| Akatemik | Jaffa: Loading sylpheed now :) | 21:05 |
| nomis | jeepers: dang. Looking for the link. | 21:06 |
| Veggen | nothing on them when googling, either. | 21:07 |
| nomis | jeepers: http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/ | 21:07 |
| jeepers | nomis: thanks | 21:07 |
| Veggen | someone must know something about the binary-only install one can choose (but is optional) in scratchbox? | 21:13 |
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| keesj | Hi ssvb | 21:22 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:25 |
| Akatemik | Hmm, sylpheed isn't doing much with the imap-account... | 21:25 |
| ssvb | hi keesj | 21:25 |
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| keesj | ssvb, done some nice things lately? | 21:29 |
| Veggen | keesj: you have scratchbox installed, right? | 21:31 |
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| keesj | Veggen, plenty of them | 21:32 |
| keesj | not 2.2 yet | 21:32 |
| tzz | can anyone with a 770 please visit lifelogs.com? I need the user agent string :) | 21:32 |
| Veggen | keesh: hmm, not for N800 either? | 21:33 |
| Veggen | Anyone here who does? | 21:33 |
| ssvb | keesj, no, I did not have much free time (for maemo related development) lately | 21:34 |
| keesj | what a shame | 21:34 |
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| keesj | ufo is still as wip , does it need much work? | 21:36 |
| tzz | no one with a 770? OK, I'll google it... | 21:36 |
| Veggen | keesj: just wondering if I need the extra properietary binaries with restricted license, or if I can skip them. Don't expect to do much very advanced development. | 21:36 |
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| ssvb | keesj: not really, it is almost ready for use | 21:37 |
| tzz | surprising, wikipedia really does have everything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent | 21:38 |
| keesj | Veggen, I don't know , I just used the installer | 21:38 |
| Veggen | keesj: but you're asked a question if you accept a license :) | 21:38 |
| ssvb | keesj: the most important things are .deb packaging & adding gui for configuration (maemo games startup?) | 21:38 |
| Veggen | keesj: (that is, towards the end of the sdk-installer) | 21:38 |
| Veggen | keesj: Now, it sits there and wants me to type "I accept". | 21:39 |
| keesj | ssvb, perhaps I can play around with it a bit (put it in mud) | 21:39 |
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| Veggen | i hate eula-type-things. And I'm no lawyer. I'd like to say no if these binaries are generally not needed :) (I can probably get them later) | 21:39 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 21:42 |
| keesj | Veggen, I have not read the thing. I have not typed I accept , (it was a cut&paste error) | 21:43 |
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| s-ndh-c | does libhildonlgpl contain all hildon stuff? i mean all the special hildon widgets? | 21:44 |
| Veggen | ok. | 21:44 |
| tko | s-ndh-c, depends on version, but you should look at hildon-libs rather | 21:44 |
| s-ndh-c | tko: in it2006 | 21:44 |
| tko | s-ndh-c, hildon-lgpl is either empty or contains a subset of widgets | 21:45 |
| s-ndh-c | tko: whats hildon-libs? | 21:45 |
| tko | the package for hildon widgets | 21:45 |
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| s-ndh-c | tko: so this is somekind of merge? | 21:47 |
| tko | yes | 21:47 |
| s-ndh-c | and this hildon-1 thing is some future api i guess, it looks different than hildon-libs | 21:49 |
| jeepers | for anyone keeping score or anyone searching the logs: the pdf-reader 1.3 source builds fine!!! :) | 21:50 |
| jeepers | Thanks, nomis! | 21:50 |
| jeepers | moral of the story: don't use 1.2 sources | 21:51 |
| Tak | lol | 21:51 |
| Tak | for anyone searching the logs: I hate you | 21:51 |
| tko | ok, short history. first we had hildon-lgpl and hildon-libs, then everything from hildon-lgpl was merged into hildon-libs, then we started the great cleanup and renamed hildon-libs to hildon (and dropped lots of crap) | 21:51 |
| jeepers | lol | 21:51 |
| tko | poke MDK about hildon :) | 21:52 |
| jeepers | actually... correction -> pdf-viewer | 21:52 |
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| s-ndh-c | tko: ok i was just trying to figure out where to find the sourcecode of whatever librarys those widgets are in in it2006 | 21:54 |
| jaek | is it possible to edit the ppp chatscripts for the bluetooth network connections? i want it to use ssh to create a tunnel each time i connect to the net with my cell, and rip it down when the connection is dropped | 21:54 |
| jeepers | ok... hopefully last issue with the pdf viewer: | 21:55 |
| jaek | i really dont get why they dont keep "os2006" up to date with "os2007" | 21:56 |
| jeepers | does anyone know if it is ok to force the install and disregard the depency upon osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr0? | 21:56 |
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| jaek | they are almost identical platforms... right? | 21:56 |
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| jaek | by segragating the two devices, they are only hurting themselves beacuse there is going to be less software that works on both | 21:57 |
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| jaek | developers will most likely only produce versions for their specific machine | 21:58 |
| * jaek lets out a long drawn out sigh | 21:58 | |
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| Akatemik | Hmm, is it normal for the mail app to take a long time to fetch mail, or did it die when it saw how many messages are in my INBOX (trying to get mail work at all, after sylpheed didn't work)? | 21:59 |
| jeepers | pdf viewer install fails with "Package osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr0 is not installed." | 21:59 |
| Veggen | I wonder - would the N800 have oomph enough to do raw conversion of digital images? | 22:01 |
| jeepers | nomis: do you have a link for osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr0 and osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr | 22:01 |
| jaek | mail app sucks... it is horrific to use on a large IMAP folder | 22:01 |
| Veggen | <--have to try building dcraw and dependencies. | 22:01 |
| nomis | jeepers: nope. | 22:01 |
| Akatemik | jaek: Like a bit under 5000 messages? | 22:01 |
| jeepers | nomis: thanks anyway | 22:02 |
| jaek | Akatemik, i had like 600 messages and it was dirt slow | 22:02 |
| jaek | it would hang for like a minute just loading the inbox | 22:02 |
| Akatemik | I see. Might be that. It's just that the status bar is stuck in getting 1/4719... | 22:02 |
| Akatemik | jaek: What do you use then? | 22:02 |
| jaek | Akatemik, i just dont use it unless i really need to read my mail ;) | 22:03 |
| Akatemik | Whoa, mail app loaded the first 200 messages | 22:03 |
| Akatemik | jaek: So you don't have an alternative? | 22:03 |
| jaek | they obviously dont have a real computer scientist working on the mail app... must be using horrific algorithims | 22:03 |
| jaek | Akatemik, i think there is another email client you can use, check the applications list | 22:03 |
| Akatemik | jaek: I found sylpheed, but that doesn't seem to do anything. Hard to know what goes wrong, but there are no messages, nothin, when trying to connect | 22:04 |
| jaek | either that, or they didnt design it for people that dont clean out their mail box | 22:04 |
| Akatemik | mail app at least attempted, so it theoretically should work | 22:04 |
| jaek | Akatemik, i think your only solution would be to clean out your inbox then | 22:04 |
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| jaek | i dropped all messages that are dated >20070101 | 22:05 |
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| jaek | less than... not greater than | 22:05 |
| * jaek is full of complaints with maemo today | 22:05 | |
| Akatemik | jaek: Could do. Before that I'll see if I can make mutt work nicely in offline mode | 22:05 |
| jaek | i just wish they made ONE PLATFORM TO RULE THEM ALL | 22:05 |
| jaek | they take a small 3rd party community and cut it up even into smaller chunks | 22:06 |
| jaek | and i imagine that each device is going to have its own separate version of maemo? | 22:06 |
| jaek | not to mention stop supporting the old machines, which i hate | 22:07 |
| Tak | actually if you don't need platform-specific stuff like Xv, you can build binaries for the n800 in a mistral environment | 22:07 |
| keesj | jaek, there are plenty of platforms that rule them all | 22:07 |
| jaek | Tak, but you cant design a 2007 maemo app that will work both ways | 22:07 |
| Akatemik | Bingo! | 22:07 |
| Akatemik | Sylpheed needed me to say "Rebuild folder tree", and now it sees my mailbox | 22:07 |
| jaek | keesj, you know what i mean... just not having to segragate the machines | 22:07 |
| Akatemik | Next step, SSL | 22:07 |
| Tak | sure you can - you build it in a scratchbox with the mistral sdk | 22:08 |
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| jaek | Tak, but then you cant use the features in os2007 | 22:08 |
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| Tak | so you want nokia to never add new features? | 22:08 |
| jaek | they should have seriously maintained a core of libraries that are shared, and only differentiate on platform when no other choice (web cam...) | 22:09 |
| jaek | so you write for one platform | 22:09 |
| Akatemik | jaek: Sylpheed seems to load about 23 messages / second | 22:09 |
| jaek | who the eff wants to have to maintain separate versions of their programs just so they run on all tablets? | 22:09 |
| Akatemik | After three minutes I'll know is it dead or usable | 22:09 |
| jaek | Akatemik, it should be super fast if you are using IMAP cus it just needs to download headers | 22:10 |
| Akatemik | I sure hope it isn't downloading the body too... | 22:10 |
| Tak | in the worst case, you don't maintain separate source trees, you just build N times | 22:10 |
| Akatemik | jaek: Yeah, if it indeed is downloading only headers... My desktop mutt loads the box in five seconds | 22:10 |
| Tak | in the best case, you build once | 22:10 |
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| jaek | Tak, if your app is for os2007, you cant build for os2006, can you? | 22:11 |
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| suihkulokki | jaek: why do you think so? | 22:11 |
| jaek | suihkulokki, because the APIs arent the same? | 22:11 |
| Tak | if different code is required for different platforms, you use a standard mechanism like autotools | 22:11 |
| jaek | and the environments are going to be different? | 22:11 |
| Tak | this is not the first time that people have written code to run on multiple platforms | 22:12 |
| jaek | i'm saying the developer shouldnt have to worry about that... maemo should be maemo | 22:12 |
| suihkulokki | jaek: nope. the apis enviroinments are almost identifical. Did you even check what apis changed? | 22:13 |
| Tak | it's easy to say that - gnu/linux should be gnu/linux too | 22:13 |
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| jaek | true, that was a bad statement | 22:13 |
| jaek | suihkulokki, but if you do use anything that is different, then you have a problem | 22:13 |
| suihkulokki | jaek: still not true. you can allways pull in the updated library with dependencies if you really need it. | 22:14 |
| jaek | sure, you can write libc from strach if you want also | 22:15 |
| Akatemik | jaek: Ok, an almost 5k message folder in sylpheed, and working ok | 22:15 |
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| Akatemik | I'll keep testing how well it handles new mail, offline and so on | 22:15 |
| suihkulokki | jaek: the libc is same (minus some optimisations) on both versions.. | 22:15 |
| jaek | suihkulokki, it was just an anology | 22:15 |
| jaek | anyway, i just feel like they are going to drop support for the 770 and i'm stuck with a machine that cant run any new software | 22:16 |
| suihkulokki | jaek: really, before you start hanging the rope to the roof, you should consider how shared libraries and dependencies work on linux :) | 22:17 |
| * jaek sighs.... | 22:17 | |
| Fatal | http://www.chugworth.com/comic.php?id=341 | 22:18 |
| jaek | suihkulokki, "pull in the updated library" for your own app isnt conforming to your understanding of how shared libs works | 22:18 |
| onion | well, it should work the linux(well debian) way to just "apt-get upgrade" and it would be running os2007 | 22:19 |
| Fatal | os2007 pooochuu | 22:19 |
| jaek | anyways, got go get to class, sorry for the ranting | 22:19 |
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| jeepers | ok.. annoyance has set it... but i'm not going to rant.. no, sir... | 22:23 |
| jeepers | i finally got the full OS2007 source downloaded | 22:23 |
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| jeepers | and it only has the source for pdf-viewer... the one i got from nomis. | 22:23 |
| jeepers | that package builds with a dependency upon osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr0 | 22:24 |
| jeepers | and osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-mr | 22:24 |
| jeepers | neither of which are in the tar or in any repository | 22:25 |
| jeepers | any glimmers of hope would be appreciated | 22:25 |
| suihkulokki | jeepers: you can remove the dependencies | 22:26 |
| jeepers | but will that break something? | 22:26 |
| tko | some packages are hidden from dpkg database, and it might include the l10n packages | 22:26 |
| suihkulokki | jeepers: l10n | 22:26 |
| Tak | any mud builders here? | 22:26 |
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| suihkulokki | jeepers: aka. translations. but they are already installed on the device | 22:26 |
| tko | so the files are probably present but dpkg doesn't know about the packages (which is by design, for better or worse) | 22:26 |
| jeepers | i'll try and force it without the dependencies... thanks again | 22:27 |
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| Veggen | ok. dcraw was probably not useful ;) | 22:29 |
| tko | hmm, should poke gqil or someone about what's the point of not making all the (gpl) sources available for everyone.. I feel so silly to see other people host the sources | 22:32 |
| nomis | heh :) | 22:33 |
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| c0ffee | ok ok | 22:36 |
| c0ffee | bt headset w0rks | 22:36 |
| keesj | I really wonder what people will do / think if the h9 is maemo based (is that good or bad for nokia) | 22:36 |
| keesj | c0ffee, a phone headset? | 22:37 |
| Tak | keesj: got a sec for mud q? | 22:37 |
| keesj | Tak, yes | 22:38 |
| Tak | I'm trying to build tf with mud | 22:38 |
| c0ffee | ok, works is a bit much :) | 22:38 |
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| Tak | I created tf.xml (identical to cal.xml) | 22:38 |
| keesj | tf? | 22:38 |
| Tak | tinyfugue (mud client) | 22:38 |
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| jeepers | ok.. it installed but fails to open. it shows up under Xephyr but fails to open | 22:39 |
| jeepers | i get this error on the console: maemo_af_desktop[4914]: We could not read lowmem page stats. | 22:39 |
| Tak | `mud build tf` fails because it can't find where to DL the tf sources | 22:39 |
| Tak | but `mud build cal` gets the cal sources (from the same place) fine | 22:40 |
| Tak | I can pastebin some output if it'd be helpful | 22:40 |
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| keesj | Tak, yes please | 22:41 |
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| tko | jeepers, I volunteer jobi to answer all your maemo_af_desktop problems :) | 22:43 |
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| jeepers | lol... i'm sure jobi will jump right on that | 22:43 |
| keesj | Tak, can you paste it? | 22:43 |
| Tak | getting there | 22:43 |
| keesj | :) | 22:43 |
| Tak | hah | 22:44 |
| Tak | I see what it is | 22:44 |
| Tak | tf has been uploaded to mistral extras | 22:44 |
| Tak | but diff-only, so there's no source tarball for mud to grab there | 22:44 |
| jeepers | yeah... i'm not having a fun time here. | 22:44 |
| jeepers | supposedly the binaries end up in /usr/bin but they aren't there... | 22:45 |
| jeepers | but the app shows up in the maemo desktop in Xephyr... | 22:45 |
| jeepers | i don't know. | 22:45 |
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| keesj | Tak, let me be your rubber duck | 22:46 |
| Tak | ? | 22:46 |
| Tak | oh, got it | 22:46 |
| Tak | so is this a bug or a user error? | 22:46 |
| keesj | I don't know , let me try to get the source on ubuntu | 22:47 |
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| keesj | Tak, what version did you want? ubuntu gave me tf_4.0s1.orig.tar.gz and the sf website is at version 5.x | 22:51 |
| Tak | the ubuntu ver is fine | 22:51 |
| Tak | I got it to build by commenting out the maemo repos in the mud sources.list | 22:51 |
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| keesj | Tak, perhaps you can try to add a <deb-src> field? | 22:55 |
| keesj | just like libhttpfetcher | 22:55 |
| Tak | aha! | 22:56 |
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| keesj | hmm every time I run the command and extra repo is added to the source.list | 22:56 |
| Tak | yeah, me too | 22:56 |
| keesj | that is clearly a bug[tm] | 22:57 |
| Tak | adding the deb-src line doesn't help | 22:57 |
| keesj | this worked for me http://pastebin.ca/raw/343183 | 22:58 |
| Tak | what does your sources.list look like? | 22:59 |
| keesj | http://pastebin.ca/raw/343188 | 23:00 |
| keesj | this is the source list in build/source.list | 23:01 |
| Tak | ah | 23:01 |
| Tak | add mistral repos to the top and try ;-) | 23:01 |
| Tak | mistral garage extras specifically | 23:01 |
| keesj | your building for the 770? | 23:02 |
| Tak | yeah | 23:02 |
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| keesj | mud first copies the /etc/apt/source.list | 23:03 |
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| keesj | Tak, I will try again with the different sdk | 23:05 |
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| keesj | Tak yep it works , do you want to test the package? | 23:08 |
| keesj | Tak, do you have a garage email address? | 23:10 |
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| keesj | I still have my debian/xxx.install that is not working :( | 23:19 |
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| keesj | Tak, I just sent a new xml file your way , do you care to test it? | 23:19 |
| Tak | sure | 23:21 |
| Tak | sorry, had an impromptu meeting ;-) | 23:21 |
| Tak | by garage email address, you mean am I registered @ garage? | 23:22 |
| keesj | yes | 23:22 |
| Tak | yeah - you found it ;-) | 23:22 |
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| Tak | same problem with your xml | 23:25 |
| Tak | however, the metadata addition is cool | 23:25 |
| keesj | can you post your sources.list and sb version? | 23:27 |
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| Tak | sources.list http://rafb.net/p/SDNLJk60.html | 23:31 |
| Tak | scratchbox is still 0.9.8 | 23:31 |
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| keesj | Tak, I have the same setup , can you rm -rf build and try again? | 23:35 |
| Tak | same result | 23:35 |
| keesj | can you paste your /etc/apt/source.list so I can just try the same? | 23:37 |
| Tak | first 7 lines of previous paste | 23:37 |
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| Tak | http://rafb.net/p/c08r5l23.html is the output I get | 23:38 |
| Tak | although I think the order of the top and bottom stuff is goofy due to some stderr/stdout weirdness | 23:39 |
| keesj | Tak, It would tak a debian expert to know if this is a bug or feature. | 23:42 |
| Tak | heh | 23:43 |
| keesj | It is not what I would like to happen :) | 23:43 |
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| keesj | Tak: I added the file to the svn anyway I think is it a bug and should be fixed :p | 23:58 |
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