| |tbb| | maddler what irc client do u use at ur lovely brand new fast delivered n800 ? | 00:00 |
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| guerby | will nokia N800 people be at FOSDEM? | 00:01 |
| maddler | irssi over screen over ssh :D | 00:02 |
| spaetz | maddler: hehe, good choice | 00:02 |
| Tak | guerby: thanks for testing, btw | 00:03 |
| |tbb| | irssi on desktop | 00:03 |
| guerby | Tak, no pb, let me know if you package something with ROMs I'll test again :) | 00:03 |
| Tak | will do | 00:03 |
| maddler | spaetz: hehehe | 00:03 |
| inz | maddler, i.e. teh standard ;) | 00:03 |
| inz | maddler, for your sake I hope you're using my xterm and not the one from repository.maemo.org ;) | 00:04 |
| maddler | gimme a link for your... ;) | 00:04 |
| inz | maddler, http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install ;) | 00:05 |
| |tbb| | maddler, deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main | 00:05 |
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| maddler | brb ;) | 00:05 |
| tolgam_ | hi everyone ! | 00:06 |
| minra | so is nokia actually promoting the n800 now? | 00:07 |
| minra | it's still a unique product in the world... they still have the #1 position | 00:08 |
| minra | it will not last forever | 00:08 |
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| tolgam_ | there seems to be a troll about to be launched... | 00:09 |
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| maddler | minra: N800 is *the* product!!! | 00:12 |
| maddler | ghgh | 00:12 |
| Tak | you seem to have some kind of alphabetic discharge | 00:13 |
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| maddler | inz... smtg wrong with repo | 00:14 |
| inz | maddler, how so? | 00:14 |
| maddler | can't find Packages | 00:15 |
| inz | it worked just fine just a minute ago | 00:15 |
| maddler | tryin' again... | 00:15 |
| inz | I still can't find the N800, but at least with apt-get it works fine | 00:16 |
| bmidgley | my session at nokiausa hadn't expired... I tried again and it went through | 00:16 |
| bmidgley | n800 on its way | 00:16 |
| inz | Maybe I should make it play an alarm | 00:16 |
| Tak | congrats | 00:16 |
| maddler | bmidgley: great | 00:18 |
| maddler | inz... noway... | 00:19 |
| inz | maddler, what does it say exactly? | 00:22 |
| maddler | working now... | 00:25 |
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| mitcheloc | minra: and what other product is superior and has a similar platform? | 00:25 |
| maddler | but just realized I already had it... | 00:26 |
| maddler | hehe | 00:26 |
| inz | =) | 00:27 |
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| inz | yay, I founds the N800 | 00:27 |
| inz | It was under the bed | 00:27 |
| maddler | good... | 00:27 |
| mitcheloc | inz: tossed it under there when the alarm started going off? | 00:27 |
| Tak | sweet, I only have monsters under mine | 00:27 |
| inz | mitcheloc, guess I placed it on the floor and kicked it a bit at some point | 00:28 |
| inz | mitch, but then I made it play the alarm via ssh and found it =9 | 00:28 |
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| mitcheloc | hah, that's funny | 00:29 |
| mitcheloc | what command did you use to set off the alarm? | 00:30 |
| inz | dbus-send... | 00:30 |
| maddler | inz: need to study dbus... eheh | 00:32 |
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| konfoo | the codes work now!! | 00:33 |
| * konfoo *phew* | 00:33 | |
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| maddler | konfoo: nice to hear... | 00:34 |
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| jon1012 | someone is oorganising 770 burning parties ? | 00:34 |
| jon1012 | I mean if it's abandonned like that | 00:34 |
| J5 | hey guys, anyone else having problems ordering with their discount code in the US? | 00:35 |
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| maddler | inz: it's me? or sometimes letters get reeated in xterm? | 00:35 |
| jon1012 | great move nokia abandoning customers ! won't come back for sure :) | 00:35 |
| Tak | who said the 770 is abandoned? | 00:35 |
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| maddler | 770 is Not abaandoned... | 00:35 |
| Tak | J5: people have been having problems, but it seems like it's pretty much ok now... | 00:36 |
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| J5 | trying again from scratch :) | 00:37 |
| anothy_x | he's gone. was in for a whopping one minute (exactly). i don't imagine it was a particularly well reasoned complaint. | 00:37 |
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| Tak | he could have at least donated his 770 to me :-P | 00:38 |
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| Andy80 | maddler: can I show you a thing in private :) ? | 00:38 |
| maddler | sure.. | 00:38 |
| c0ffee | uuuh, a secret :) | 00:38 |
| keesj | the n800 thumbpad really rocks | 00:38 |
| maddler | ghghgh | 00:38 |
| Tak | how does it differ from the 770 thumbpad? | 00:39 |
| keesj | it has a positive vibe! | 00:39 |
| Tak | uhh? | 00:40 |
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| jon1012 | bug, sorry | 00:40 |
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| Tak | jon1012: so who says 770 is abandoned? | 00:40 |
| J5 | no luck | 00:40 |
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| jon1012 | (btw, our company just abandonned two software project related to the 770) | 00:40 |
| MacSlow | how in the world did they do canola animate so nice? | 00:41 |
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| jon1012 | Tak: well, saying no end-user backport and things like that. This is clearly and abandonment | 00:41 |
| anothy_x | oh, so it's abandoned by *you*! got it. | 00:41 |
| keesj | it is pretty hard for me to explain. | 00:41 |
| MacSlow | I totally don't get my head around how the expose stuff works under maemo | 00:41 |
| jtra | anybody keen to try my new game? http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/shisensho.html | 00:41 |
| Tak | jon1012: the *first* version of the backport isn't going to be end-user ready | 00:41 |
| jon1012 | Tak: that's not what can be understood on the blog post | 00:42 |
| jon1012 | (seriously, having bought a nokia 770 juste some months ago, and finding that my newly purchased product is "end-of-life" really pisses me off :)) | 00:44 |
| jon1012 | s/product/device | 00:45 |
| maddler | jon1012: 770 is not eol... | 00:45 |
| jon1012 | nah, it just looks like that then | 00:45 |
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| jon1012 | anyway I don't like to be some flamebaiter or troll, so I won't speak too much :) | 00:46 |
| maddler | jon1012: no problem... | 00:47 |
| |tbb| | jon where it says its end up life ? | 00:47 |
| maddler | you weren't flaming... | 00:47 |
| jon1012 | I'll write some blog posts about it to explain whow it was a terrible PR move from nokia, imho | 00:47 |
| maddler | I can understant what you say... but as of now there is no reason to say 770 is EOL | 00:47 |
| maddler | :) | 00:47 |
| keesj | is there a .install for maemo-hackers ? | 00:48 |
| Andy80 | jon1012: you can always use it as wardriving-tool :D | 00:48 |
| Andy80 | maddler: ;D | 00:48 |
| maddler | jon1012: but which post are you talking about? | 00:48 |
| maddler | Andy80: a _great_ tool! | 00:48 |
| maddler | 770 keeps being a great device... | 00:48 |
| |tbb| | maddler even more if u fix the garbage problem ;) | 00:49 |
| c0ffee | hey tbb | 00:50 |
| c0ffee | was busy earlier today, so i didn't answer you | 00:50 |
| jon1012 | no but saying "you will always have flash 5", "we won't be porting everything, because you know the 770 is an old device" and things like that. To me, it's an EOL | 00:50 |
| jon1012 | no support anymore that is | 00:50 |
| c0ffee | well | 00:50 |
| konfoo | EOL is a fact of life | 00:50 |
| konfoo | sorry dunno how else to put it | 00:51 |
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| jon1012 | yeah :) | 00:51 |
| inz | Are you ready to pay for opera or flash? | 00:51 |
| jon1012 | loosing customers is a fact of life too :) | 00:51 |
| c0ffee | stuff licenced from 3rd parties is difficult, because you had to pay for an update a lot | 00:51 |
| jon1012 | yeah | 00:51 |
| konfoo | jon1012: at least youre not selling portable media centers... | 00:51 |
| jon1012 | if it's not 100$ then I'm ok to pay | 00:51 |
| c0ffee | i'd expect to be even more | 00:52 |
| konfoo | opera probably wouldnt even touch that | 00:52 |
| konfoo | ive dealt with them for embedded projects on a h.264 decoder platform | 00:52 |
| maddler | |tbb|: hahahaha... I'll work on it :) | 00:52 |
| konfoo | if you cant show the numbers they give a rats ass | 00:52 |
| jon1012 | I mean, even asus with pocket pc had a better customer support ! | 00:53 |
| konfoo | users are your problem, not theirs. only nokia can rectify this browser issue, really. and is it worth their time (how many 770 users are shouting for support?) | 00:53 |
| konfoo | your being nokia's | 00:53 |
| suihkulokki | jon1012: the difference is, when asus stops support, you are fucked up | 00:53 |
| jon1012 | at the time, if you purchased the first version of the product, you could get a big rebate on the next gen. | 00:53 |
| jon1012 | suihkulokki: with the 770 it's the same... I thought it was different but I was wrong | 00:54 |
| suihkulokki | jon1012: when Nokia stops support, you still have all the sources around to change the device to do what you want | 00:54 |
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| ||cw | except for the wifi driver | 00:55 |
| zoglesby | but you don't have the source to everything | 00:55 |
| ||cw | or is that open now | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | there's a firmware blob at least | 00:55 |
| jon1012 | it's a frankenstein stuff... half open source, half closed | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | there are little points left that couldn't be reverse engineered easily | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | for certain values of 'easily' ofcourse :) | 00:56 |
| mitcheloc | are tehy violating gpl, keeping some closed and some open? | 00:56 |
| c0ffee | no | 00:56 |
| jon1012 | mitcheloc: I don't think so | 00:56 |
| |tbb| | about custom, support my aunt has buyed an xbox game, the tutorial is in german the gamelanguage is english. I called the support number which is written in the booklet , the hotline says they doesnt know the game, haha | 00:56 |
| zoglesby | its not a big deal, look at the zaurus, I have one of them as well and its still being developed after EOL | 00:56 |
| ||cw | not at all, mostly just drivers | 00:56 |
| |tbb| | i called the support to ask if this is normal | 00:57 |
| jon1012 | zoglesby: yeah but here, nokia encourages people to buy a n800, so people won't continue supporting the 770 | 00:57 |
| c0ffee | hum | 00:57 |
| zoglesby | mitcheloc:some stuff they have no control over, like opera and flash | 00:57 |
| c0ffee | obviously some people are putting enormous ammounts of work into the 770 | 00:58 |
| c0ffee | see the os2007on770 url in the topic | 00:58 |
| mitcheloc | has anyone here seen the athena? | 00:58 |
| zoglesby | jon1012: sharp came out with newer versions of the zaurus (6000 i think) but that didnt stop anything | 00:58 |
| mitcheloc | i wonder how this compares to the n800 -> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpc.ru%2Flib%2Farts%2F2281%2F&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools | 01:00 |
| maddler | hmmm... was anyone able to load ext2 and g_ether modules | 01:02 |
| jon1012 | c0ffee: and this is great :) | 01:02 |
| maddler | ? | 01:02 |
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| extreme | hello | 01:02 |
| extreme | ladies | 01:02 |
| extreme | where are you | 01:02 |
| extreme | i want u | 01:02 |
| extreme | :d | 01:02 |
| jon1012 | :-| | 01:02 |
| extreme | hello | 01:02 |
| extreme | 1012 | 01:02 |
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| jon1012 | lol. | 01:03 |
| exocet | well done | 01:03 |
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| maddler | hmmm... g_ether works... | 01:03 |
| maddler | but ext2 isn't! :( | 01:03 |
| maddler | I can't mount my old MMC! | 01:03 |
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| mitcheloc | c0ffee: secret op? =P | 01:04 |
| c0ffee | do you have the ext2 module loaded? | 01:04 |
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| c0ffee | it's not very secret | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | jon1012: if your company was working on 770 product, there's no reason to assume it won't also work with the N800. You should be glad your market has got bigger. | 01:04 |
| maddler | c0ffee: no... I need to have it loaded... but it won't load... | 01:05 |
| maddler | Nokia-N800-51:/etc# insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ext3.ko | 01:05 |
| maddler | insmod: cannot insert `/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ext3.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory | 01:05 |
| maddler | same for ext2 | 01:05 |
| Jaffa | maddler: insmod .../mbcache.ko first | 01:05 |
| maddler | Jaffa: doh! | 01:06 |
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| jon1012 | Jaffa: without means to test it, we won't continue working on it | 01:06 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: could love you too... | 01:06 |
| jon1012 | anyway that's not important, the decision is already taken | 01:07 |
| maddler | but... man... you know... I already have a 770, then N800, then my daughter and then my wife... | 01:07 |
| Jaffa | eh? You've now got a market consisting of two devices rather than one. The second is already showing signs of being much more popular than the first. Your market is bigger. Your potential revenue is larger, for only a little more outlay. | 01:07 |
| maddler | that would be too much! :D | 01:07 |
| jon1012 | lol | 01:07 |
| Jaffa | It sounds like you're making business decisions based on the always shitty feeling of buying something just before its replacement. | 01:07 |
| jon1012 | yeah I've based this one on this :) | 01:07 |
| jon1012 | and I'm an ass. | 01:07 |
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| suihkulokki | I don't know if you are an ass, but your companies decissions are clearly coming out of one | 01:08 |
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| jon1012 | no, but we were unsure of developing for a small market like this one... and finally we've gone for umpc and windows mobile systems | 01:09 |
| jon1012 | (we where on planning process) | 01:09 |
| pbrook | jon1012: By my reading the 770 has been about for a year or so, before a better product was released, which IMHO is pretty good for a fairly experimental hi-tech device. | 01:09 |
| jon1012 | and that's not what is really pleasing me | 01:09 |
| jon1012 | yeah | 01:09 |
| suihkulokki | jon1012: so because maemo isn't open, you decide to change to a locked platform? | 01:09 |
| jon1012 | suihkulokki: no, but you can install linux on those devices | 01:10 |
| jon1012 | suihkulokki: and a more standard system than maemo | 01:10 |
| suihkulokki | jon1012: are you even aware how few incompatabilites there are on between 770 and n800? | 01:10 |
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| ferenc | /ferenc | 01:11 |
| jon1012 | (btw, we have gone for platform independance with xhtml / css / javascript and server-side scripting...) | 01:11 |
| jon1012 | (instead of gtk apps) | 01:11 |
| suihkulokki | jon1012: so who is going to support your companies linux business on linux installed on a windows mobile device? | 01:11 |
| maddler | damn! need wget on N800! | 01:11 |
| jon1012 | suihkulokki: we are going to some ajax interface with django backend | 01:12 |
| jon1012 | suihkulokki: that's all | 01:12 |
| jon1012 | suihkulokki: instead of some specific maemo dev | 01:12 |
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| jon1012 | suihkulokki: this way we can use other hardward if necessary | 01:12 |
| suihkulokki | jon1012: then I don't see where the problem is | 01:13 |
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| konfoo | heh ie for windows mobile.. good luck with ajax on that pile | 01:13 |
| jon1012 | suihkulokki: the problem is that I've had an hard time convincing people to do gtk system, and that release of a new incompatible (even if very slightly) system blew it up :) | 01:13 |
| jon1012 | konfoo: minimo works on pocket pc | 01:14 |
| maddler | damn... looks like I'll have to work on a busybox new port as well! :) | 01:14 |
| mitcheloc | you can install Opera on windows mobile -- but it costs $20+ per device license | 01:14 |
| inz | Does anyone here like sgt-puzzles? | 01:14 |
| konfoo | jon1012: true.. just saying | 01:14 |
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| Jaffa | jon1012: sorry, it sounds like they were never convinced then. There were incompatibilities between XP and SP2 (I worked on some testing of one of IBM's products on SP2) but did that cause people to abandon MS Windows? No, you test, tweak if necessary and - in this case - rejoice at the suddenly larger market. | 01:16 |
| jon1012 | maybe | 01:17 |
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| konfoo | sounds like you are the wolf in the winblows camp | 01:17 |
| jon1012 | yeah | 01:18 |
| jon1012 | (but what is good however with n800 is that it seems like mono got ported to it... and that means maybe some wndows mobile apps written in c# available to maemo users) | 01:19 |
| minra | microsoft: where do you want to goatse today? | 01:19 |
| mitcheloc | engadget just posted some reviews on the n800 | 01:19 |
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| gpd | don't expect to replace your laptop, PDA or cellphone just yet.... | 01:21 |
| gpd | they don't get it... this isn't a replacement -- it is a complementary addition... | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | Right, HTF do you use Maemo mapper? I understand why gnuite doesn't want to publicise ripping off Google Maps (even though the system was/is obviously designed for exactly one map format), but there's a limit to my patience for these things. | 01:22 |
| mitcheloc | they should have pointed out the camera | 01:23 |
| gpd | Jaffa: there is a handy page that gives you step by step... /me looks | 01:23 |
| timeless | google would sue them | 01:23 |
| Jaffa | timeless: I doubt it. | 01:24 |
| jon1012 | Jaffa: my maemo mapper worked for one month | 01:24 |
| gpd | Jaffa: http://highearthorbit.com/maemo-mapper/ | 01:24 |
| Aleksandyr | Jaffa&timeless: Google would C&D the entire project, which is about the same effect. | 01:24 |
| Jaffa | gpd: ta | 01:24 |
| jon1012 | Jaffa: but google maps changed their urls | 01:24 |
| timeless | their urls haven't changed significantly | 01:24 |
| timeless | i've been using maemo mapper for 6months | 01:24 |
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| Jaffa | Aleksandyr: In that case, it needs a better plugin system. Positional parameters obviously tie it to a single vendor. | 01:24 |
| gpd | Jaffa: I find that mixing satellite and map is annoying as it caches both and displays whatever you have | 01:24 |
| timeless | i have a large archive if someone can figure out a safe way to share it | 01:24 |
| eeejay | so the n800 supports all those flash card formats in _both_ slots? | 01:25 |
| timeless | yes | 01:25 |
| timeless | the slots are identical | 01:25 |
| gpd | can we confirm that 4G+ SDHC is kernel update away -- rather than hardware limited? | 01:26 |
| eeejay | timeless: so, I should just get the cheapest format I could find, right? | 01:26 |
| Jaffa | It turns out that the article from gpd is what I wanted: some proper enduser documentation (e.g. when do you "manage maps" and when do you "manage repositories") | 01:26 |
| timeless | if you have to pay for it and have no other devices to stick it into? yes | 01:26 |
| timeless | ime the prices are nearly identical for all formats | 01:26 |
| timeless | otoh, i've been having other people buy me cards, 1g for maybe $30? | 01:27 |
| gpd | Jaffa: once you have the repository set to the URL - you shouldn't need to manage maps much -- just zoom and pan and it should download otf | 01:27 |
| eeejay | ah, ok | 01:27 |
| eeejay | thanks | 01:27 |
| maddler | Jaffa: http://mt.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.39&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d | 01:27 |
| maddler | this is the actual one :) | 01:27 |
| maddler | not 2.29 | 01:27 |
| mitcheloc | my 2gig sd card cost $60 from costco | 01:28 |
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| nnod_ | was anyone from europe able to order the n800 with the discount code today? | 01:28 |
| gpd | anyone worked out how to do 'right-click' in scummvm? | 01:28 |
| jon1012 | maddler: thx :) | 01:28 |
| maddler | damn... here I pay 35E for a 4GB SD | 01:28 |
| maddler | jon1012: you are welcome... | 01:28 |
| jon1012 | btw, are those 4gb working on the 770 ? | 01:29 |
| maddler | gpd: turn your device topdown... :) | 01:29 |
| jon1012 | or only n800 ? | 01:29 |
| maddler | jon1012: no... up to 2GB | 01:29 |
| maddler | I think I'm going to buy 2x4GB tomorrow... :D | 01:29 |
| jon1012 | maddler: so kernel upgrade could fix it ? | 01:29 |
| maddler | that's what here we call: "faccio lo sborone" | 01:29 |
| jon1012 | maddler: or it's hardware limits ? | 01:29 |
| Jaffa | maddler: thanks | 01:29 |
| maddler | jon1012: I really don't now... | 01:30 |
| gpd | maddler: i have 2.29 in my map repo and it is working - what's the diff? | 01:30 |
| mitcheloc | the maemo mapper doesn't have an official os 2007 version? | 01:30 |
| jon1012 | ok :) | 01:30 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: give me your address... I have a spare 128MB card now :DDDDDD | 01:30 |
| timeless | i just gave away a 128mb card | 01:30 |
| maddler | mitcheloc: not as of now... the 2006 seems to work perfectly btw... | 01:30 |
| timeless | but i have spare 256mb and 512mb cards too :) | 01:30 |
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| mitcheloc | is there a repo url for the garage site? | 01:30 |
| gpd | maddler: support for SDHC is almost in 2.6.21 - don't you want to wait for 8G cards? | 01:30 |
| maddler | I have some 3x64MB and 2x128MB | 01:31 |
| mitcheloc | maddler: okay, trying it now | 01:31 |
| maddler | and I'm gonna have a spare 1GB as well :D | 01:31 |
| maddler | gpd: DOH!!! | 01:31 |
| maddler | ok... I'm going to buy only 1x4GB :D | 01:31 |
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| Jaffa | maddler: I've got a 2GB SD card on order (cheap, and thought I'd let others fully shake out the SDHC issues) and the 128MB card which shipped with it will be fine internally for now, thanks :) | 01:31 |
| maddler | hahaha... | 01:32 |
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| gpd | Jaffa: wrt scummvm -- any serious answers? | 01:33 |
| maddler | nice... gtalk works nice as shared clipboard... :D | 01:33 |
| * Aleksandyr managed to entirely forget the whole dual-card-slot thing, and needs to place some orders. | 01:33 | |
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| maddler | among my laptop and N800 :D | 01:33 |
| Jaffa | gpd: I've not tried it, TBH | 01:33 |
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| gpd | scummvm seems nice - and there are freeware games available - in contrast to the 'slightly sketchy' xmaeme stuff | 01:34 |
| jtra | mitcheloc: this is my evdo setup - it gives me almost ubiquitous connectivity in my country http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/tmp/n770-evdo.jpg | 01:35 |
| mitcheloc | url for the maestro minstral extras repo? | 01:35 |
| mitcheloc | jtra: very nice, is that a cell phone (blue) or just modem? | 01:36 |
| mitcheloc | i'm making a stomp box for my car | 01:36 |
| jtra | it usb modem - Anydata ADU E100H | 01:36 |
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| jtra | it is | 01:36 |
| maddler | maemo-mapper working! :D | 01:37 |
| maddler | uri for sat maps: http://kh3.google.it/kh?n=404&v=14&t=%s | 01:37 |
| Jaffa | Bit unfun without a GPS/search function, but should be good enough for me tomorrow | 01:38 |
| jtra | cdma2000 ev-do operating at 450Mhz | 01:38 |
| konfoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6i2WRreARo | 01:39 |
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| jon1012 | someone know if abiword was ported to it2006 ? | 01:40 |
| Jaffa | It was. | 01:40 |
| jon1012 | I know there was a port for it2005 | 01:40 |
| jon1012 | oh, got some url ? :) | 01:40 |
| Jaffa | aleksandyr's been doing some more work on it recently. | 01:40 |
| konfoo | gpd scummvm is great | 01:40 |
| konfoo | just the right kind of game config for the 770/800 | 01:40 |
| gpd | konfoo: right click? | 01:41 |
| c0ffee | although the 770 wasn't quick enough to play the intro of mi3 | 01:41 |
| konfoo | gpd: hotkey? dont recall | 01:41 |
| maddler | that would be nice to get hybrid maps on mapper :D | 01:41 |
| c0ffee | i thought abiword integrated hildon support upstream | 01:42 |
| maddler | oh... jaffa... you said there was an xml file to be modified in order to have the BT automatically switched on after a reboot... right? ;) | 01:42 |
| anothy_x | jtra: what operator do you have that setup running on? | 01:42 |
| dwd | Jaffa: Could you do me a favour? Look what OpenSSL version the N800 has? | 01:44 |
| Jaffa | maddler: well, there's /etc/systemui/systemui.xml which has a "Soft poweroff" commented out. | 01:44 |
| maddler | Jaffa: you tried already? :) | 01:44 |
| gpd | http://www.grahamdavies.net/bora_debs/ <-- tested on my N800 | 01:45 |
| Jaffa | dwd: http://guerby.org/ftp/dpkg-n800.txt might help | 01:45 |
| Jaffa | maddler: I've not rebooted, but the soft poweroff maintained a WLAN connection | 01:45 |
| maddler | weird... N800 has tcp port 6000 wide open... :) | 01:45 |
| nomis | remote-X11? | 01:46 |
| jtra | local in Czech Republic - it has been acquired by Telefonica about a year ago, but this setup with 450MHz which was used when frequencies were abandoned by NMT analog voice phones, is probably avaiable only here | 01:46 |
| dwd | Jaffa: Ah, 0.9.7. Boo! | 01:46 |
| anothy_x | yeah, i imagine. just curious. | 01:46 |
| jtra | but that Anydata modem has versions for normal cdma evdo frequencies too, I guess | 01:46 |
| mitcheloc | jtra: i have a pcmcia evdo rev A modem :) | 01:47 |
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| mitcheloc | maddler: i'm trying to install the mapper, but it says it's missing some packages, how do i enable it? | 01:47 |
| maddler | gpd: great!!! | 01:47 |
| anothy_x | so do i, but i no longer have a pcmcia slot. | 01:47 |
| maddler | mitcheloc: I used apt-get from commandline to get libxua0 | 01:47 |
| gpd | some of those debs don't run fullscreen, scummvm you need to run from xterm | 01:48 |
| mitcheloc | maddler: "apt-get install libxua0" ? | 01:48 |
| gpd | Jaffa: mcrypt and mtr-tiny i built using MUD -- cp cal.xml -> mtr-tiny.xml; ../mud build mtr-tiny etc. | 01:49 |
| Jaffa | Can the scumm games be installed on the card, rather than internal flash? | 01:49 |
| gpd | Jaffa: yes - it prompts you for location | 01:49 |
| konfoo | jaffa mine were | 01:49 |
| maddler | mitcheloc: right | 01:49 |
| gpd | Jaffa: this will be useful since the audio ones are 250M+ | 01:49 |
| Jaffa | gpd: cool, feel free to send the xml (yes, even though it's trivial) and I'll include them in the "big upload" and add your name to AUTHORS. | 01:49 |
| Jaffa | Right, bed time. | 01:49 |
| gpd | Jaffa: when you say send - do you mean via svn? | 01:50 |
| gpd | or to the mailing list? | 01:50 |
| jon1012 | good night everybody | 01:50 |
| jtra | mitcheloc: there is rev 0 only here | 01:50 |
| maddler | Jaffa: noway... BT still off... | 01:50 |
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| Jaffa | gpd: mailing list current best preferred way. At some point I'll switch to using the bug tracker, but I'm also happy to give out svn access (look at keesj) | 01:50 |
| minra_ | i'm too stupid to port uqm to 770 | 01:50 |
| mitcheloc | Jaffa: what project is yours? | 01:51 |
| ferenc | AaronL2, Tak: pls don't wait for the new extras queue, i dont have energy to do it tonight. | 01:51 |
| maddler | gpd: fbreader -> 404 | 01:51 |
| Jaffa | mitcheloc: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org | 01:51 |
| ferenc | lets talk about it tomorrow again. | 01:51 |
| ferenc | sorry. | 01:51 |
| gpd | maddler: yes - i removed it -- there is a better one | 01:51 |
| maddler | oh... ok... | 01:52 |
| maddler | drop me a line when you are done... | 01:52 |
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| gpd | maddler: pretty much done -- just removed a couple that i upgraded from elsewhere | 01:52 |
| gpd | maddler: pool/user/f/fbreader-maemo2/fbreader-maemo2_0.7.4s-1_armel.deb | 01:53 |
| maddler | where? | 01:53 |
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| gpd | not sure --- apt-cache isn't telling | 01:54 |
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| gpd | maddler: http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/maemo/#maemo2.x | 01:54 |
| maddler | oh... great... | 01:56 |
| rev | hey, what's the deal with youtube? i see it works now on the N800- is it going to be working (via flash in opera, not using a downloader and FLV player) on the 770 anytime soon? | 01:56 |
| maddler | rev: not soon I'd say... | 01:57 |
| maddler | :) | 01:57 |
| rev | what's the deal? i mean, why not soon? | 01:57 |
| rev | is the software on the N800 not going to find its way to the 770 | 01:57 |
| rev | ? | 01:57 |
| Aleksandyr | rev, pretty mcuh | 01:58 |
| rev | ... but why not? | 01:58 |
| rev | :/ | 01:58 |
| maddler | licensing problems with Opera and Adobe | 01:58 |
| Aleksandyr | rev, licensing and incompatibility, or so I've heard. Check Ari Jaaksi's blog | 01:58 |
| gpd | maddler: php.tar and lighttpd.tar also on there - untar to /usr/local ;) | 01:58 |
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| konfoo | php for the n800? :) | 01:59 |
| gpd | konfoo: yes - i compiled it last week -- works quite well | 01:59 |
| konfoo | you sir deserve a round of drinks | 01:59 |
| gpd | konfoo: playing around with dokuwiki - want to get drupal running - awaiting sqlite patch for drupal :) | 01:59 |
| konfoo | haha | 02:00 |
| rev | Aleksandyr: well, bugger... that's very disappointing. the sort of thing that would not be worth buying an N800 over, but it would be enough to sour me on purchasing anything from nokia again, if that's how they support their devices... oh well. thanks for the info | 02:00 |
| konfoo | gpd: whats the url for the php binaries? | 02:01 |
| maddler | there = mawhrin or grahams? | 02:01 |
| gpd | http://www.grahamdavies.net/bora_debs/ <- in there (mislabel!) | 02:02 |
| konfoo | ah danke | 02:02 |
| gpd | konfoo: still work to do on it obviously but worked in some basic tests with thttpd and lighttpd and from cli | 02:02 |
| konfoo | gpd: i am using a php script to wrapper a satellite/multicast receiver app that runs on the 770, soon 800.. this will help a bunch :) | 02:03 |
| konfoo | http://atm.tut.fi/mad/ | 02:04 |
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| maddler | gpd: you tested httpd+php on N800? | 02:05 |
| gpd | konfoo: wow that is a lot of acronyms! | 02:05 |
| konfoo | gpd: haha yes | 02:05 |
| gpd | maddler: yes - see the irc logs for test results | 02:06 |
| konfoo | gpd: this is basically handy for sending data over a connection like a satellite where there is no ack-nack for packets, and the client must know how to create the file and recover missing packets | 02:06 |
| * gpd nods wisely :) | 02:07 | |
| mitcheloc | back... an httpd daemon would be a nice compliment, especially if you can control everything on the n800 | 02:07 |
| maddler | gpd: quicly: is it "usable"? :) | 02:07 |
| gpd | maddler: tested it with dokuwiki, phpinfo(), a small test php script that showed about 10x slower that my VPS. | 02:08 |
| gpd | ie. for single user - yes | 02:08 |
| mitcheloc | soemthing is wrong with my n8 though, i can't find xterm on it anymore | 02:08 |
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| mitcheloc | ah the firmware update killed the installed apps, i'm forcing the package manager to refresh the sources list and reinstall everything | 02:10 |
| inz | sgt-puzzles in maemo-hackers repository! | 02:10 |
| inz | The games that require right button don't work though (pattern, tents at least) | 02:11 |
| maddler | gpd: ok... that's a good start... I'll play with it... | 02:11 |
| maddler | btw... if it already was nice to read an ebbok on 770... | 02:11 |
| maddler | the better screen on N800... wow!!! Reading it's a pleasure!!! | 02:12 |
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| gpd | inz: very cool -- just playing cube | 02:15 |
| maddler | gpd: is not showing accented chars... :( | 02:15 |
| gpd | maddler: ? php? | 02:15 |
| maddler | fbreader... | 02:15 |
| maddler | sorry... :D | 02:15 |
| gpd | inz: failed to go fullscreen: cube: midend.c:738: midend_redraw: Assertion `me->dir != 0' failed. | 02:15 |
| maddler | I only use html entites :D | 02:16 |
| maddler | (with php/html) | 02:16 |
| gpd | inz: ooh - Net -- highly addictive! | 02:17 |
| kjetilho | maddler: the screen is improved too? how? | 02:17 |
| gpd | inz: Net goes fullscreen fine | 02:18 |
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| maddler | kjetilho: yup... didn't expeted that too... it's (I'd say a lot) more readable... | 02:19 |
| maddler | brighter... | 02:19 |
| inz | gpd, weird, they all use pretty much the same code... | 02:19 |
| gpd | inz: ok -- might be because i ran it from ssh -- works fine from menu | 02:20 |
| maddler | kjetilho: and also the feedback for touch is better... | 02:20 |
| inz | gpd, it seems to work until you make a move | 02:21 |
| maddler | on my 770 I had the feeling like there was something among the stylus and the screen... like a film or so... | 02:21 |
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| * gpd puts down the crack pipe... ttyl | 02:22 | |
| hap | there is | 02:22 |
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| inz | gpd, it seems that all the "animated" games break on fullscreen after you play them | 02:23 |
| nnod_ | was anyone able to order the n800 from europe with the discount code today? | 02:23 |
| maddler | nnod_: dunno... I heard some1 was experiencing some problems from US | 02:24 |
| nnod_ | i'm getting "invalid code" when i try | 02:25 |
| maddler | nice... just received a refund from amazon :) | 02:25 |
| maddler | 150E | 02:26 |
| maddler | :D | 02:26 |
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| inz | gpd, asserts now replaced with slightly different if clause -- it seems to fix teh issues | 02:29 |
| mitcheloc | maddler: i got maemo maps installed, how do i get it to download maps? i need a repo? | 02:31 |
| maddler | you need to configure the URI... | 02:32 |
| maddler | menu -> Maps -> Manage Repositories... | 02:33 |
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| jtra | sgt-puzzles is nice but it needs dedicated launcher or menu as too many items in extras menu are hard to navigate | 02:33 |
| maddler | http://mt1.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.37&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d | 02:34 |
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| inz | jtra, I agree | 02:36 |
| * mitcheloc types it in very slowly | 02:36 | |
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| rev | hey. .. anyone know how they decide to whom to send out the n800 discount codes? | 02:38 |
| inz | rev, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram has a list of criteria | 02:41 |
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| mitcheloc | maddler: i wonder if there is a bluetooth aaudio gateway that can be combined with the n800 and your car stereo | 02:44 |
| maddler | dunno... | 02:45 |
| maddler | if not buy a blue cable :D | 02:45 |
| mitcheloc | even cooler if you can use the microphone on the n800 for hands free calls | 02:45 |
| * rev wonders if there is a place 770s should go for people buying an 800 | 02:46 | |
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| inz | *doh* why aren't I already asleep | 02:47 |
| * inz wanders off | 02:47 | |
| mitcheloc | rev: i'm thinking of reprogramming them for my mother's school, the teachers can use them to take attendance, etc | 02:47 |
| inz | Don't play puzzles all night. | 02:47 |
| mitcheloc | if you need a charity case, it'll go to good use :) | 02:48 |
| rev | mitcheloc: that'd be cool | 02:48 |
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| mitcheloc | maddler: found it! http://www.nokiausa.com/accessories/item_details/1,8994,product:AD-42W,00.html | 02:49 |
| jtra | mines of sgt-puzzles does not work for me, it starts with several flags on board and crashes when I step on non-flag | 02:50 |
| inz | jtra, yeah, me too | 02:50 |
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| maddler | hmmm... could bluetooth be switched on via dbus? or... ? | 02:58 |
| maddler | I mean... I'd like to avoid having to switch it on after every reboot... | 02:59 |
| maddler | :) | 02:59 |
| maddler | ok... time to hit the bed here!!! | 03:00 |
| maddler | I'm exahusted! | 03:00 |
| maddler | see you all tomorrow! :D | 03:00 |
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| mitcheloc | good night! | 03:02 |
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| Aleksandyr | mitcheloc, as far as bluetooth, I've seen generic audio gateways that pair with your cellphone and a dongle, but this would be independent of the N800's audio system | 03:13 |
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| mitcheloc | Aleksandyr are you saying that the nokia probably won't support the audio profile? | 03:16 |
| Aleksandyr | mitcheloc, no, I'm saying these kits would just use the N800 through the headphone jack. | 03:16 |
| Aleksandyr | mitcheloc, IIRC the N800 does not have any audio profiles yet (just like the 770) although it's vaguely under development | 03:17 |
| mitcheloc | Aleksandyr: the ad-42w from nokia looks like it supports a2dp, which the nokia would have to support, right? | 03:17 |
| mitcheloc | Aleksandyr: so no built in profiles, but i assume the chips are capable enough to support it? i suppose code could be ported (not that i know how) | 03:18 |
| Markov | how can i install something on my n800 if i do not have a connection to the internet...? | 03:19 |
| Aleksandyr | mitcheloc, the problem is that A2DP is processor-intensive and fairly nontrivial --- the solution for Linux is in the process of getting an ITOS port, but the Linux solution is fairly unstable. Odds are that it's possible but not practical. | 03:20 |
| s-ndh-c | Markov: mirror the repository to a local computer? | 03:20 |
| kjetilho | didn't you hear? the n800 is an i-n-t-e-r-n-e-t tablet :) | 03:20 |
| Aleksandyr | Markov, you could copy the .debs to a memory card and use the install from file option of Application Manager (at least, you can under IT2006, not sure if that was removed?) | 03:20 |
| timeless | hrm | 03:21 |
| timeless | my n800 just rebooted | 03:21 |
| timeless | it's plugged into the charged | 03:21 |
| timeless | s/d$/r/ | 03:21 |
| Markov | Aleksandyr, the .deb file is only 47 KB for VNC viewer | 03:22 |
| Markov | is that right? | 03:22 |
| s-ndh-c | Markov: if you download single debs you would have to check their dependcies on your own so make sure you download all dependand packages too | 03:22 |
| Aleksandyr | Markov, sounds about right, yes | 03:23 |
| mitcheloc | Aleksandyr: well, i do hope someone figures it out, the a2dp profile would be ideal when in the car to connect to the car speakers | 03:23 |
| Aleksandyr | Markov, you might also want to look in to USB networking, although it's not quite trivial | 03:23 |
| Aleksandyr | mitcheloc, true, but what advantage is gained compared to an inexpensive 3.5" a2dp gateway dongle (such as the one I own ;)? | 03:24 |
| mitcheloc | the lack of a dongle is advantage enough :) | 03:24 |
| Aleksandyr | mitcheloc, factor in the (rather significant) battery drain of A2DP processing. I'm not saying the idea is without merit, mind you, it's just gonna take time ;) | 03:26 |
| mitcheloc | Aleksandyr: i was thinking of some sort of window mount combined with pluging in the n800 -- a sort of windshield mounted gps device/car computer | 03:26 |
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| Markov | thanks aleks, i've installed vnc... now i all i need is a connection... :) | 03:28 |
| mitcheloc | in the meantime the headphone jack will work | 03:28 |
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| Markov | is there an application for optimizing video for the n800? | 03:31 |
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| timeless | there's converter/transcoder | 03:32 |
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| Markov | ?? | 03:32 |
| Zer0HiT | Markov: at me? | 03:33 |
| Markov | no. timeless | 03:33 |
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| Zer0HiT | ah k | 03:33 |
| Markov | unless you know of such an app | 03:33 |
| Markov | or can link me to what timeless is talking about | 03:34 |
| timeless | i don't have a web browser | 03:34 |
| timeless | mediaconverter on garage ? | 03:35 |
| Markov | i found it thanks | 03:36 |
| Markov | i hope they're kidding about no am64 support | 03:36 |
| Markov | but if it's java then there shouldn't be a problem | 03:37 |
| timeless | i don't use it, i just have a copy of all the garage projecs in a cross reference, and know people have mentioned it | 03:37 |
| Markov | yep. it works like a champ | 03:40 |
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| shana | hi everyone | 04:23 |
| shana | any maemo team guys around I can talk to about the n800 codes? | 04:24 |
| timeless | ? | 04:25 |
| shana | hmmm is that a yes? | 04:25 |
| shana | :) | 04:25 |
| shackan | sure dude! give me your code and I'll check it! | 04:26 |
| * shackan giggles | 04:26 | |
| shana | hehe | 04:26 |
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| shana | shackan: and that's dudette, thank you very much ;) | 04:30 |
| * shackan blushes | 04:30 | |
| shana | lol | 04:30 |
| shana | well, I guess I'll just have to be patient then :) | 04:31 |
| timeless | what do you mean n800 codes? | 04:32 |
| timeless | this isn't a nintendo if you ignore the red pill, there aren't many way sto cheat | 04:32 |
| shana | I mean I think I got the US code instead of an european code | 04:32 |
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| shackan | timeless, if you're cool enough nokia sends you a discount code to get a brand new N800 for dirt cheap money | 04:33 |
| * shackan obviously isn't cool enough | 04:33 | |
| shana | haha | 04:34 |
| WillySilly | shackan: I could have told you that :P | 04:34 |
| shana | timeless, check the topic | 04:34 |
| shackan | WillySilly, thanks, I'm better off telling it myself | 04:35 |
| shana | ah well, I'll wait it out, it's late anyway | 04:35 |
| * shana goes into lurk mode | 04:35 | |
| mitcheloc | shana: i'm in europe, if you want, i can test the code for you | 04:42 |
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| * cesman has a iblue gps receiver! | 04:55 | |
| WillySilly | congrats? | 04:56 |
| cesman | thanks | 04:58 |
| cesman | works with the n800 and maemo mapper | 04:58 |
| cesman | unfortunately, my bluetooth is acting flaky | 04:59 |
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| gpd | cesman: nice nice -- how is it? | 05:43 |
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| gpd | [off topic] can anyone recommend a webcam that works well with linux? | 05:44 |
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| Markov | has anyone used this vm appliance for maemo dev? | 06:11 |
| Markov | i just finished the dl and have a bazillion files labed 7z.00# | 06:11 |
| Markov | do you know what application i need to put these together? | 06:12 |
| gpd | Markov: not tried it myself but i have used VMware - do you have VMware running ok and did you point it at the files? | 06:17 |
| Markov | I have VM Player working | 06:17 |
| Markov | vmware player i mean | 06:17 |
| gpd | 7z implies 7zip... maybe you need to unzip it first... | 06:18 |
| Markov | aaaaaaahhh | 06:18 |
| Markov | i've never heard of the 7z zip format | 06:18 |
| rev | it isn't common | 06:18 |
| gpd | it is quite popular with some people - not sure why | 06:18 |
| Markov | huh. well, it's nice of them to force their obscure prefrence on me :) | 06:19 |
| gpd | it certainly is odd that a Linux VMware image would be 7zip'd | 06:19 |
| gpd | but ach 7zip reveals: p7zip - 7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio | 06:19 |
| Markov | yeah. it actually looks pretty cool | 06:19 |
| Markov | i recant my previous, mildly nasty statement | 06:20 |
| Milhouse | Markov - check this thread here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=31094#post31094 | 06:21 |
| Milhouse | If you're on XP, all the links to 7-zip are in the thread, if not the other posts may prove useful | 06:22 |
| gpd | Markov: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/so-you-want-to-be-nokia-internet-tablet.html | 06:25 |
| rev | the only thing i've seen come as .7z lately were snes ROMs | 06:29 |
| Markov | heheh | 06:30 |
| Markov | is there an emulator for mameo? | 06:30 |
| Markov | that would be awesome | 06:30 |
| gpd | there are many... | 06:30 |
| gpd | xmaeme from the channel sweetheart Tak | 06:30 |
| gpd | also scummvm for adventure games | 06:30 |
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| Markov | huh? | 06:31 |
| gpd | xmaeme includes support for MAME, FCEU, VisualBoyAdvance | 06:31 |
| rev | Tak ported VisualBoyAdvance for me | 06:31 |
| rev | too slow to play | 06:31 |
| rev | i think the NES is the only thing decently emulated on the 770 right now | 06:31 |
| rev | from what i've been told | 06:31 |
| Markov | i'm sorry i'm not very familiar with emulation tech | 06:31 |
| gpd | rev: on n800? | 06:31 |
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| rev | gpd: i'm talking on the 770, which is slower ... though: | 06:32 |
| * rev got an 800 invite! so i'll have one soon to play with | 06:32 | |
| gpd | rev: on my n800 the NES stuff is ok - haven't got any MAME roms to work yet | 06:32 |
| rev | gpd: i've heard NES is ok on the 770 too | 06:32 |
| rev | only thing i've tried is VBA, which is too slow | 06:32 |
| gpd | i'm not convinced the tablets are really 'gaming' machines however | 06:33 |
| rev | well, they're not | 06:33 |
| gpd | esp since the buttons are sketchy at best | 06:33 |
| rev | they'd be fine for the games i want to play, if the speed was there | 06:33 |
| gpd | scummvm would be good - so far i can't find right-click | 06:33 |
| rev | specifically tactical games like Advance Wars or Fire Emblem- games that are turn based, where the 770 is more than good enough | 06:33 |
| rev | i begged tak into porting VBA for me, figuring that even if it was slow it'd be playable | 06:34 |
| rev | but it is really, really slow :P | 06:34 |
| rev | because it's turnbased, a game like Advance WArs could be played even at half speed without issue really | 06:34 |
| rev | it's not a platformer that requires reaction | 06:35 |
| Markov | how about the buttons? | 06:35 |
| Markov | do they show up on the screen? | 06:35 |
| rev | Markov: no, you use the nokia's buttons | 06:35 |
| rev | Markov: at least for the one emulator i've tried | 06:35 |
| gpd | well -- in NES fceu there are onscreen A and B buttons too | 06:35 |
| Markov | can you flip the screen upside down? | 06:36 |
| rev | not w/ BA | 06:36 |
| rev | er VBA | 06:36 |
| Markov | i think i'm better w/ my dominant right hand | 06:36 |
| * gpd receives brando screen protector in mail several days ago and doesn't notice | 06:37 | |
| rev | gpd: d'oh! | 06:38 |
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| * gpd attempts to find killer app to port to N800 | 06:38 | |
| mitcheloc | gpd: windows | 06:39 |
| mitcheloc | (or a even better an iax client) | 06:39 |
| gpd | yay! | 06:39 |
| gpd | unfortunately i think the 'killer app' would be firefox and an unlimited data plan | 06:43 |
| mitcheloc | iphone? hah | 06:44 |
| mitcheloc | opera does work pretty damn well | 06:44 |
| gpd | or the even more vaporous 'google tablet' | 06:44 |
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| gpd | well - but could do better... eg. adblock | 06:44 |
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| mitcheloc | gpd: while the nokia is good, the killer difference google would have is a slight different form factor and #1 a better interface | 06:45 |
| gpd | i still think being online *all* the time is unrealistic - so good offline->online sync is essential | 06:47 |
| mitcheloc | in my mind why the ipod is so big, and google is that it all seems to come down to interface | 06:48 |
| gpd | a local httpd that could run webmail / calendar and would sync up on connect would be great | 06:48 |
| mitcheloc | have it wirelessly sync to the computer? :) | 06:49 |
| soleman | hey..anyone here use fbreader? what's the author (sort key) for? | 06:50 |
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| philipl | Has a definitive solution emerged to the nokia usa website rejecting orders? | 06:52 |
| pahartik | gpd: how about well integrated OBEX support for GPE as "killer application"? | 06:52 |
| mitcheloc | philipl: can you get it from a compusa? that is how i purchased mine | 06:53 |
| soleblaze | it it just rejecting random people? | 06:53 |
| philipl | Well, with the discount codes. :-P | 06:53 |
| soleblaze | someone said they got through | 06:53 |
| Markov | philipl: didn't reject my order | 06:53 |
| Markov | or it did over the weekend | 06:53 |
| soleblaze | Markov: you in the EU? | 06:54 |
| Markov | they were "moving to a new superl locatino" | 06:54 |
| Markov | no i'm in the USA | 06:54 |
| soleblaze | oh, i take it you didn't use the dev discount code | 06:54 |
| soleblaze | or maybe i'm not following right | 06:54 |
| Markov | heh. no, why do you have one for me :) | 06:54 |
| soleblaze | lol, nos orry | 06:54 |
| mitcheloc | does anyone know where i can get the rdesktop port to the n800? | 06:55 |
| soleblaze | is there an rdesktop port to the n800? | 06:56 |
| soleblaze | the guy who did the xp thing mentioned that he had to flash his 770 with 2005 in order to use rdesktop | 06:56 |
| mitcheloc | i saw mention of it on the internettablettalk forums | 06:56 |
| mitcheloc | however, it was mentioned in the context of the 770 :( | 06:59 |
| gpd | soleblaze: i am attempting to build rdesktop for bora now | 07:02 |
| soleblaze | oo, interesting. | 07:02 |
| soleblaze | hm..it's gonna take me awhiel to get used to this ebook thing..cool program though (fbreader) | 07:03 |
| gpd | soleblaze: http://www.grahamdavies.net/bora_debs/ <-- in there | 07:03 |
| gpd | no idea if it will work -- just recompiled the source from the 2006 App Catalogue | 07:03 |
| soleblaze | I'll let mitcheloc try it out lol | 07:04 |
| mitcheloc | gpd: sweet! i'm on it | 07:05 |
| soleblaze | hm..wonder when touch screen scrolling will work on the fbreader for n800..i'll have to subscribe to a mailing list to keep tabs | 07:07 |
| mitcheloc | hmm, i can't seem to specifiy the rdesktop port | 07:14 |
| mitcheloc | gpd: does this rdesktop version have a built in UI? | 07:15 |
| mitcheloc | i mean, apparently it does... somethings up, i can't specifiy port.. | 07:15 |
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| soleblaze | hey..how do you change around the favorite applications menu? | 07:21 |
| kulve | soleblaze: there's a control panel plugin for it | 07:21 |
| soleblaze | ah, I see it now. thanks | 07:22 |
| cesman | anyone have any idea as to why I can no longer dial up via my phone? | 07:25 |
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| cesman | the n800 can see the phonw via bluetooth, however it just won't dial | 07:25 |
| cesman | it use to work like a champ | 07:25 |
| cesman | It won't even show my connection in the connection manager | 07:26 |
| cesman | on occassion, it will connect to the phone and dial out, but I cannot figure out why it is' | 07:26 |
| cesman | isn't working now | 07:26 |
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| [mbm] | cesman: have you tried disabling/reenabling bluetooth or rebooting just to make sure bluetooth support hasn't somehow crashed? | 07:27 |
| cesman | yes, I have | 07:28 |
| cesman | I seem to be having lots of trouble w/ bluetooth | 07:28 |
| cesman | somethings, I have to reboot in order to use it | 07:28 |
| tigert | which phone? | 07:28 |
| * [mbm] hasn't tried bluetooth support yet but wifi occasionally has similar issues | 07:29 | |
| cesman | razr v3m | 07:29 |
| tigert | cesman: does the phone try to connect? | 07:30 |
| cesman | is there a default lock code on the n800? | 07:30 |
| cesman | tigert: no | 07:30 |
| cesman | I know I didn't set one and it is asking for one | 07:30 |
| [mbm] | cesman: 12345 (see manual) | 07:30 |
| tigert | my phone needs reboots and toggling bluetooth on/off sometimes | 07:30 |
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| cesman | [mbm]: thanks | 07:31 |
| tigert | to make things work. | 07:31 |
| cesman | guess I need to read more of the pdf | 07:31 |
| cesman | I just restored the defaults | 07:33 |
| cesman | after enabling bluetooth and click ok, the device just stared back at me | 07:34 |
| cesman | now, the window is gone but no icon | 07:34 |
| cesman | looks like control panel has stopped responding now... | 07:35 |
| [mbm] | heh fun | 07:40 |
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| soleblaze | heh..yeah..the n800 is the flakest linux based device I've ever messed with. (I never touched the 770) | 07:42 |
| soleblaze | speaking of the n800..I jkust pligged it into the charger 3 minutes ago | 07:43 |
| soleblaze | and it looks like It just reboot itself | 07:43 |
| soleblaze | er plugged.. | 07:43 |
| soleblaze | at least it didn't do the reboot loop (It's done that 3 times so far) | 07:44 |
| gpd | soleblaze: it does seem a little strange - hopefully some patches will fix it | 07:46 |
| gpd | lack of /var/log/syslog doesn't help for diagnosing problems | 07:47 |
| [mbm] | gpd: well, there's a /var/lib/dsme/stats to show why it rebooted | 07:51 |
| * soleblaze looks at it | 07:51 | |
| [mbm] | and syslog can be installed, just that you probably don't want the logs constantly writing to the flash | 07:51 |
| [mbm] | anyone else notice dropbear being flakey? | 07:52 |
| cesman | good night folks | 07:52 |
| * cesman crawls into bed frustrated :/ | 07:52 | |
| soleblaze | /usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop : 1 * | 07:53 |
| gpd | hmm I have a bunch of stuff in lifeguard_res* | 07:55 |
| gpd | [mbm]: are those numbers the number of restarts caused by that program? | 07:55 |
| gpd | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues | 07:58 |
| Markov | what's the difference between mame maeme and fceu??? | 08:00 |
| gpd | mame is multiple arcade emulator, | 08:00 |
| gpd | maeme is a frontent to various emulators | 08:00 |
| gpd | fceu is a NES emulator | 08:00 |
| Markov | so mame runs only from the cmd line? | 08:02 |
| gpd | i think so -- then there is xmame! | 08:02 |
| Markov | hmmm | 08:03 |
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| Markov | what's that? | 08:03 |
| Markov | :) | 08:03 |
| vittorio | i would so like to have a c64 emulator | 08:04 |
| gpd | actually a lot of the c64 stuff was just arcade games ported... so MAME covers many of those | 08:04 |
| Markov | i mean what's xmame? vs xmaeme? | 08:04 |
| gpd | of course... not all | 08:04 |
| gpd | Markov: no clue really -0- i think xmame is a frontend for mame -- but xmaeme is multiple--- google will know better than me (or Tak) | 08:05 |
| gpd | Paradroid would be very cool however :) | 08:06 |
| vittorio | ill try mame, but it would be cool to play the original c64 games. cause for nostalgia | 08:06 |
| gpd | I still have my Amiga 500 in a cupboard ! | 08:06 |
| vittorio | paradroid rocked! | 08:06 |
| gpd | I sold my c64 however - fool | 08:07 |
| vittorio | my amiga 500 is in the loft | 08:07 |
| gpd | you can get a C64 joystick that plugs into the TV that has many old games | 08:07 |
| gpd | the joystick being the *critical* component of course | 08:07 |
| vittorio | yeah, a friend of mine has that, its cool | 08:08 |
| gpd | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_Direct-to-TV | 08:08 |
| vittorio | i already had frodo running on 770 but then stopped porting | 08:08 |
| gpd | things like Rainbow Warriors were just Arcade games though - | 08:08 |
| keesj | what was the performance of frodo on the 770? | 08:09 |
| vittorio | i only had the blue basic screen (this was >200%) | 08:10 |
| vittorio | games would be less | 08:10 |
| gpd | is frodo > vice? never tried it | 08:10 |
| vittorio | vice should be better | 08:11 |
| vittorio | whats up with http://www.internettablettalk.com/gallery/ ? | 08:11 |
| vittorio | i made a screenshot | 08:11 |
| gpd | [mbm]: so after echo standby > /sys/power/state I get 'charger' in /proc/bootreason | 08:13 |
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| Markov | i really need a wireless router | 08:17 |
| * gpd <3 unison | 08:19 | |
| [mbm] | gpd: that's because if you leave it in standby for >30 seconds it somehow turns off, and since you have the charger connected, it turns back on to start charging | 08:21 |
| [mbm] | Markov: shameless plug but have you heard about openwrt? | 08:21 |
| gpd | [mbm]: ahha --- so not helpful :( no update on why it reboots then? | 08:21 |
| Markov | [mbm]: no what's openwrt? | 08:22 |
| [mbm] | gpd: probably a watchdog, but I haven't figured out which | 08:22 |
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| [mbm] | Markov: openwrt.org .. linux distribution for cheap home routers | 08:23 |
| * gpd grumbles that his is too cheap for openwrt | 08:23 | |
| Markov | hmmmmm | 08:25 |
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| Markov | what can i do with openwrt that i cannot do with the stock firmware? | 08:26 |
| Markov | what does the stock firmware do anyway? | 08:26 |
| Markov | yeah. what is software doing on the router? | 08:26 |
| gpd | http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/About | 08:27 |
| [mbm] | well, typical home router has wifi, 4 lan ports and a wan port, then a cheap web interface to configure it | 08:27 |
| [mbm] | and you can barely do anything with it | 08:27 |
| [mbm] | you load openwrt and suddenly it's a mini linux server, fully configurable | 08:28 |
| gpd | what sort of storage / ram do they have then? | 08:28 |
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| [mbm] | you can customize the firewall, set the wifi into weird client/bridged modes, offload some network services to the router .. | 08:29 |
| [mbm] | gpd: typically 4M of flash and 16M of ram, although some have 8M flash 32M ram, and may even have usb interfaces to attach a usb drive | 08:29 |
| Markov | well, first i have to get the router. then i'll set it up w/ the crappy firmware. then i'll see if i need openwrt | 08:30 |
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| Markov | :) | 08:30 |
| gpd | http://downloads.openwrt.org/whiterussian/packages/ <-- wow | 08:30 |
| [mbm] | avoid the devices that use vxworks as their os | 08:30 |
| gpd | you can run lighttpd on it! | 08:30 |
| [mbm] | gpd: I've heard of small php webservers, irc servers, mail servers .. | 08:31 |
| gpd | now if only my isp didn't block port 80... | 08:31 |
| [mbm] | obviously a router with 4M flash and 16M ram doesn't exactly scale well when you start talking the hundreds or thousands of users | 08:31 |
| gpd | [mbm]: most of those packages must be 'light' - so would probably do well on the tablets | 08:32 |
| gpd | what is .ipk ? | 08:32 |
| [mbm] | gpd: mini .deb file | 08:32 |
| [mbm] | ipkg is a mini dpkg | 08:32 |
| gpd | i see - interesting stuff | 08:33 |
| gpd | the slug is also something i keep meaning to look into | 08:33 |
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| [mbm] | we don't exactly have the luxury of space so I've had to optimize for size | 08:33 |
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| [mbm] | gpd: yeah, the slug guys are starting to switch over to openwrt and working with the openwrt developers | 08:33 |
| gpd | [mbm]: so you are the main man? | 08:33 |
| [mbm] | I suppose | 08:33 |
| * gpd bows | 08:33 | |
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| keesj | ipgk works nicely | 08:34 |
| myren_ | [mbm] is one of the best hardware hackers on the project, no doubt. | 08:34 |
| [mbm] | been playing with my n800 thinking about how openwrt stuff would inetegrate | 08:34 |
| gpd | the N800 must feel like a powerful machine in comparison! :) | 08:34 |
| myren_ | well, i gotta point out, th n800 actually just runs apt. | 08:34 |
| keesj | yes ,they have the http server php stuff , more server related software | 08:35 |
| [mbm] | gpd: sure, but it also feels bloated when you've edalt with massive optimizations to squeze every resource | 08:35 |
| [mbm] | myren_: yeah, I noticed | 08:35 |
| [mbm] | hmm think I might need to connect a serial cable to my n800 to see why it doesn't stay in standby | 08:36 |
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| [mbm] | shame they didn't use a standard connector | 08:37 |
| myren_ | gpd: the main difference with the n800 is having a screen. :) | 08:37 |
| gpd | myren_: luxury! | 08:37 |
| [mbm] | myren_: major advantage, you don't know how annoying it is to hear "it doesn't boot, any idea what's wrong with it?" | 08:37 |
| myren_ | hopefully | 08:38 |
| [mbm] | not like you san ask them "well what does it show on the screen?" | 08:38 |
| myren_ | right right | 08:38 |
| myren_ | at least when something goes wrong the units not completely isolated | 08:38 |
| Markov | hey. in what ways is the mplayer port better then the built int media player for n800? | 08:39 |
| myren_ | and htose mother fuckers without serial or jtag | 08:39 |
| [mbm] | Markov: support for more file types | 08:39 |
| [mbm] | myren_: honestly serial and jtag are so damn easy I don't understand why more people don't | 08:39 |
| myren_ | [mbm]: the freaky voltages | 08:40 |
| [mbm] | myren_: jtag is "buy 4 resistors" | 08:40 |
| tigert | damn. the bus broke down | 08:40 |
| [mbm] | pretty damn simple | 08:40 |
| myren_ | who the fuck can find a 0 - +3.3v serial? | 08:40 |
| [mbm] | and serial is "go buy a cellphone data transfer cable" | 08:40 |
| myren_ | i could never find one | 08:40 |
| [mbm] | really? almost every cellphone these days is either usb or serial | 08:41 |
| myren_ | i just made damned sure the first wrt i bought got installed properly, and used picocom or microcom with that unit from then on. | 08:41 |
| [mbm] | the serial ones are pretty easy to spot since the data cable has a large box in it for the serial chip | 08:41 |
| myren_ | yeah but i never knew what voltage level the serial was going to be | 08:41 |
| [mbm] | another trick is that if you have two 3.3v serial devices you can just wire them together and skip all the conversions and chips | 08:42 |
| myren_ | they dont exactly advertise that shit | 08:42 |
| myren_ | yeah thats waht i did | 08:42 |
| [mbm] | myren_: cellphones aren't going to be 12v serial, they'll be 3.3v | 08:42 |
| myren_ | drilled a hole in the wrt and soldered a floppy power connector to the board | 08:42 |
| [mbm] | haven't looked but I suspect the n800 has a 3.3v serial also | 08:42 |
| myren_ | i was thinking there'd be +-5v ones, 0-5v ones, +-3v ones | 08:43 |
| myren_ | god knows what else | 08:43 |
| [mbm] | 3.3v is the most common voltage in electronics | 08:43 |
| myren_ | probably not fatal to have just picked up three or four adapters at radio shack and returned those that did not work | 08:43 |
| [mbm] | especially when you're talking low power embeded devices | 08:44 |
| myren_ | yeah 3.3v is pretty standard fair | 08:44 |
| myren_ | standard fare? | 08:44 |
| myren_ | whatever | 08:44 |
| myren_ | i've got like 12 units in the building now, so theres 3.3v serial EVERYWHERE | 08:44 |
| [mbm] | yeah, I used to get the cables at radioshack, confuses the hell out of them | 08:44 |
| [mbm] | "I need a cellphone serial cable" "sure, which phone do you have?" "umm.." | 08:45 |
| myren_ | right. :) | 08:45 |
| [mbm] | or you find the cable yourself and at checkout they always like to ask you which phone as a confirmation | 08:45 |
| * gpd runs streamtuner from mistral on n800 | 08:46 | |
| [mbm] | always just used to look for the futuredial cables with the large box in the center | 08:46 |
| [mbm] | since I knew those had a pl2303 chip and would work with linux | 08:46 |
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| mitcheloc | gpd: i never got the rdesktop to work, though it loads up, i think there might be a port issue, i'll change the firewall in a bit | 08:50 |
| gpd | mitcheloc: yeah - i have no idea - i am just able to compile things but have no idea what needs to be done if they don't 'just work' | 08:51 |
| myren_ | i always wonder what hardware isnt getting utilized with projects like openwrt, all the various onboard processors not being used | 08:52 |
| [mbm] | myren_: you can bet that if we find specs for the chips we'll try to find a use for them | 08:52 |
| mitcheloc | i read that you can x-forward to the n800 an x11 app, does it need a seperate x-server or the one installed? | 08:53 |
| [mbm] | myren_: figured out a fun trick a few months back that let me see which mac addresses were used on which ports | 08:53 |
| [mbm] | mitcheloc: you can just set the DISPLAY variable | 08:54 |
| [mbm] | (assuming the x server on your desktop allows remote connections -- most distros block it) | 08:54 |
| mitcheloc | [mbm]: remote machine to n800, not n800 to remote machine | 08:56 |
| mitcheloc | i'd have to enable the x server on the n800 to allow remote connections | 08:56 |
| [mbm] | the n800 already runs an x server | 08:56 |
| [mbm] | either way it's just a matter of setting the permissions and DISPLAY | 08:57 |
| mitcheloc | i'm sshing in right now :) | 08:59 |
| [mbm] | mitcheloc: just a hint, the x server on the n800 normally blocks connections; one simple way to get around the block is as follows: ssh root@n800 -L 6002:127.0.0.1:600, then after logging into your n800 open a new terminal on your desktop and try "export DISPLAY=:2; xhost +" | 09:02 |
| [mbm] | that should enable remote x11 connections to your n800, so then you can do "export DISPLAY=n800:0" and run your app | 09:02 |
| [mbm] | (the ssh bit is just an extra step since I haven't see xhost compiled for the n800 yet) | 09:03 |
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| mitcheloc | this would be an easy way to run any app not compiled for the n800 | 09:12 |
| gpd | apps are dead - long live ajax! | 09:13 |
| * gpd runs | 09:13 | |
| [mbm] | x11 sucks as a network protocol | 09:13 |
| [mbm] | you'll find that your apps run much slower just because they're run over the network | 09:13 |
| mitcheloc | gpd: i agree with most of that -- problem is i'm trying to dev a webapp but the browser scales it wrong | 09:14 |
| [mbm] | gpd: nothing more sickening then a pastel colored box with rounded corners and alpha blending | 09:14 |
| mitcheloc | i had to set 70pt font for it to look normal, is there a way to "unscale it"? | 09:15 |
| [mbm] | what to look normal? | 09:15 |
| mitcheloc | the way the browser renders the web page | 09:16 |
| [mbm] | the builtin browser has zoom buttons | 09:16 |
| mitcheloc | [mbm]: i know tha tisn't what i need though | 09:17 |
| [mbm] | must be some broken webpage | 09:17 |
| mitcheloc | no, the font is rendered differently, for example a 10pt fon't on a computer looks like a 4pt font on the n800 | 09:18 |
| [mbm] | everything on the n800 is scaled down for the screen size | 09:19 |
| jonnylamb | dwd: hey again. what exact error message did you receive when entering your code on the Nokia site? | 09:21 |
| Robot101 | [mbm]: actually, all of the fonts and icons are huge because the resolution's so high :) | 09:21 |
| Robot101 | [mbm]: otherwise everything would be teensy-weensy on screen | 09:21 |
| r0773n | how do you set colors in the terminal? | 09:22 |
| [mbm] | Robot101: that's more or less what I was saying | 09:22 |
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| wumpus | yeah the resolution is really incredibly high | 09:23 |
| wumpus | try displaying 800x480 window on your normal screen | 09:23 |
| [mbm] | I meant that if you rendered a font in physical 10pt it would take up so much space you'd hardly fit anything on the screen | 09:23 |
| wumpus | indeed | 09:23 |
| [mbm] | hmm browser's alpha blending sucks | 09:24 |
| [mbm] | seeing color banding all over the openwrt page | 09:24 |
| [mbm] | which is odd on solid colors | 09:25 |
| mitcheloc | [mbm] exactly, that scaling is brilliant, but i want a full screen web app -- like a keypad in html | 09:25 |
| mitcheloc | i'll try this out tomorrow -- got to hit the sack | 09:25 |
| [mbm] | mitcheloc: umm.. what's stopping you? hit the fullscreen button and then write a page to display some buttons and javascript them to do something | 09:26 |
| * [mbm] failing to see where this conversation is going | 09:26 | |
| mitcheloc | [mbm]: that's exactly what i'm going to do, was just wondering if there was an option to counter the built in scaling | 09:27 |
| zuh | The browser scaling is nasty, since it doesn't work for pages like planet.gnome.org that have the layout fitted to width of the page. The browser simply grows the font size which works quite the opposite (more space to the sidebar) from the desired effect (more on-screen space for the actual content) | 09:28 |
| [mbm] | the zoom buttons do it to some extent | 09:28 |
| [mbm] | zuh: yep | 09:29 |
| mitcheloc | zuh, i'll look at that web design, i've got to run, thanks guys! | 09:29 |
| zuh | IMO it should also increase the canvas size when zooming | 09:29 |
| keesj | zooming should start by removing the banners and ads, and then switch text only | 09:32 |
| [mbm] | speaking of which, I'd love to know how to get it to block ads | 09:33 |
| wumpus | yeah pages with ads are very annoying on n800, too easy to accidentally click on them | 09:33 |
| keesj | I just don't like it where I have to horizontally zoom. but I do it for slashdot because I am to lazy to login | 09:33 |
| |tbb| | an addblocker like on firefox where nice for the n7/8 | 09:34 |
| tigert | i guess one could use ad-blocking local proxy | 09:34 |
| keesj | funny the behavior of the home button changed | 09:34 |
| tigert | that would work for the opera | 09:34 |
| keesj | it does not bring me back home | 09:34 |
| tigert | keesj, hold it down. we changed it yea | 09:34 |
| [mbm] | heh.. just tried running gimp remotely over x11 .. annoyingly it displays all the windows stretched to fill the screen | 09:34 |
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| tigert | mbm, yes. because maemo has no movable windows | 09:35 |
| [mbm] | yeah I know .. still "usable" but barely | 09:35 |
| tigert | the window manager does everything but dialogs fullscreen | 09:35 |
| keesj | (asking again) how can I run xnest on the nokia? | 09:36 |
| [mbm] | also the onscreen keyboard isn't popping up | 09:36 |
| tigert | it doesnt make much sense to drag windows around in a handheld | 09:36 |
| [mbm] | tigert: sure, but for things like gimp it'd be nice if the toolbox could be fixed to one side of the screen like a toolbar | 09:37 |
| [mbm] | instead of having to switch between windows constantly | 09:37 |
| tigert | yeah. but seriously, gimp wants a real computer :) | 09:38 |
| [mbm] | well, the builtin sketch applet sucks | 09:39 |
| tigert | what would be sweet is if some dialog was in the n800 screen | 09:39 |
| keesj | and even on the "real" computer the windows are pretty annoying IMHO | 09:39 |
| [mbm] | tigert: you could run x2x and use the n800 as a tablet | 09:39 |
| tigert | lets not get too gimp ui discussion here =) | 09:39 |
| tigert | yep | 09:39 |
| [mbm] | hmm I suppose you're the same tigert from gimp? | 09:39 |
| tigert | theres tuxpaint for 770 ;) | 09:40 |
| tigert | yes, the same | 09:40 |
| tigert | and gnome | 09:40 |
| tigert | hm. as a completely offtopic, | 09:40 |
| * [mbm] rembers the old tigert.gimp.org site | 09:40 | |
| tigert | does anyone know if one can set a screen to start as rotated-left in xorg.conf? | 09:41 |
| [mbm] | http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800-rotated.jpg | 09:41 |
| [mbm] | the xrandr extension sort of works | 09:42 |
| keesj | exept for the dri kinda stuff | 09:43 |
| [mbm] | yeah, the above picture shows the xv is in the wrong location | 09:43 |
| [mbm] | and the touchscreen doesn't seem to rotate properly | 09:43 |
| keesj | are you a openwrt developer? | 09:44 |
| [mbm] | keesj: yes | 09:44 |
| keesj | cool! | 09:44 |
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| keesj | I run midge http://midge.vlad.org.ua/wiki/ on my edimax. | 09:45 |
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| [mbm] | hmm doesn't look like xdamage is working after randr | 09:46 |
| one_777_eye | http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot00vy8.png | 09:46 |
| keesj | I would be very interested in your opinion on the mud builder, | 09:46 |
| [mbm] | screen isn't redrawing correctly | 09:46 |
| gpd | there is also horizon for drawing/painting stuff | 09:47 |
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| [mbm] | hmm needs glx extensions *grin* | 09:49 |
| keesj | :) | 09:49 |
| * [mbm] would love to have google earth and a gps on an n800 | 09:50 | |
| kulve | [mbm]: there's that manual update thing in X.. | 09:50 |
| gpd | well maemo-mapper with bt gps is essentially that... | 09:50 |
| [mbm] | kulve: ? | 09:50 |
| kulve | and I'm pretty sure google earth takes *way* much more rendering power that the device has.. | 09:50 |
| [mbm] | gpd: minus the 3d zoom in | 09:50 |
| keesj | mbm I would really like to play with that openvg stuff | 09:50 |
| kulve | [mbm]: http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/7-xrandr-on-nokia-770.html | 09:51 |
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| keesj | the power of the tablet is the network , why not do remove stuff? | 09:51 |
| [mbm] | kulve: yeah, see above screenshot; I know how to rotate the display | 09:51 |
| kulve | that "CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE" gets confused if the display is rotated | 09:51 |
| kulve | [mbm]: I know you do, but did you read the stuff on the blog ;) | 09:51 |
| [mbm] | kulve: well, there's a difference between rotating the x server and rotaintg the fb it's running on | 09:52 |
| [mbm] | rotating the fb would probably work better but isn't as easy to pull off | 09:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning all | 09:52 |
| gpd | Night all | 09:52 |
| c0ffee | moin | 09:53 |
| c0ffee | according to the tracking page, my n800 is waiting at work for me :) | 09:53 |
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| zuh | [mbm]: The x server "manually" tells the fb which parts to update, but it doesn't take the rotation into account (or this is my understanding of the issue) | 09:54 |
| [mbm] | zuh: right | 09:54 |
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| keesj | one_red_eye, nice screen shot , did you have to tweak x-chat or is that all part of the theme? | 10:03 |
| one_red_eye | changed the colors | 10:05 |
| one_red_eye | foreground and background | 10:05 |
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| Piotras | hi | 10:21 |
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| [mbm] | hello. | 10:22 |
| Piotras | anyone knows if libxslt is to be ported to maemo 3 ? | 10:22 |
| Piotras | or should I use thhis from 2.1 ? | 10:27 |
| kulve | if there's one in 2.1, it shouldn't be a big deal to compile it for 3.0 | 10:28 |
| Jaffa | The 2.1 version should work probably without recompilation | 10:28 |
| Piotras | ok , thanks | 10:30 |
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| tigert | hi piotras. got the device it seems ;) | 10:37 |
| Piotras | hi tigert :) yes and I try build libgda first ( with xml and sqlite support only though ) | 10:44 |
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| zbenjamin | hello @ all | 10:53 |
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| trickie | hello! | 11:01 |
| tigert | piotras, MDK was the guy you videochatted with btw. | 11:01 |
| Piotras | dzień dobry MDK :) | 11:02 |
| tigert | he is not reading this right now though | 11:02 |
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| tigert | but i will let him know. we are in a meeting currently ;) | 11:04 |
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| jtra | anybody keen to try my new game? http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/shisensho.html | 11:12 |
| raph_ael | hello | 11:14 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 11:19 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:26 |
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| maddler | 'morning al! | 11:56 |
| maddler | s/al/all/ | 11:56 |
| lele | morning maddler | 11:57 |
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| desrt | anyone know how well-supported kexec is on the armle? | 12:01 |
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| maddler | any clue of what metalayer-crawl is? | 12:09 |
| maddler | it'e heating CPU as hell... | 12:10 |
| kulve | Description: Metalayer Crawler Daemon Crawler is a program that is always running on the background. The purpose of the program is to collect information about the comings and goings of media files in the system. The metadata of media files is automatically extracted using libmetalayer for other applications to use. | 12:11 |
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| pyhimys | Anyone using os x? | 12:12 |
| pyhimys | Is there a nice way to unmount n800? | 12:12 |
| pyhimys | When using the the finder's eject button it just remounts right again | 12:13 |
| pyhimys | That is using the usb cable | 12:14 |
| paulp | hi, is this the right place to ask how to get my 770 to connect to WLAN? | 12:14 |
| Piotras | anyone had problems with osso-xterm ? | 12:14 |
| Piotras | maemo_af_desktop[1223]: We could not read lowmem page stats. | 12:14 |
| Piotras | execl: No such file or directory | 12:14 |
| bergie | pyhimys: I was wondering about the same thing, ping me if you figure it out | 12:15 |
| pyhimys | bergie: so far i have just used an external memorycard reader | 12:15 |
| paulp | when i set it up i get bytes received going up in the connection manager but 0 bytes sent | 12:15 |
| paulp | is there a way of loading packages using just usb so i can at least get xterm on there? | 12:19 |
| maddler | kulve: so... it looks like I could kill it if I don't use "media" files. | 12:21 |
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| bergie | pyhimys: the auto-remounting problem caused errors on OS X, but did seem to copy everything correctly | 12:22 |
| kulve | maddler: I would guess so. I don't know anything else about the daemon.. | 12:23 |
| jonek | hi | 12:23 |
| maddler | hehe... looks like we will discover soon :D | 12:23 |
| maddler | Nokia-N800-51:/etc/init.d# uptime 11:24:34 up 5 min, load average: 2.14, 1.54, 0.68 | 12:26 |
| maddler | it's very CPU intensive... | 12:26 |
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| kulve | the load avg. doesn't actually tell how much something uses your cpu..? | 12:28 |
| maddler | but top is... :) | 12:28 |
| maddler | metalayer-crawler is alwas > 50% | 12:28 |
| kulve | nice.. | 12:28 |
| kulve | I think I won't be needed that service since the I don't like the built-in media player either.. | 12:29 |
| maddler | mumble... maybe renicing it... | 12:29 |
| maddler | kulve: and anyway I'm not exchanging media *all the time*... | 12:29 |
| maddler | I think it's wiser to launch metalayer stuff right before loading some new content to the device... | 12:30 |
| kulve | it should be idle most of the time and just check for stuff after inotify from kernel or something.. | 12:30 |
| suihkulokki | afaik it uses inotify already | 12:31 |
| zuh | maddler: I think I got it to chomp CPU too by giving it some botched file, so you might want to just restart it and see what happens | 12:32 |
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| konttori | pyhimys: at least my 770 unmounts nicely. I can report more when my N800 arrives at 2pm | 12:34 |
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| jtra | lol http://xkcd.com/c215.html | 12:35 |
| maddler | zuh: trying now... | 12:37 |
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| hap | so true :) | 12:37 |
| hap | root@mailserver:~# would have been fine too | 12:37 |
| maddler | zuh: no way... still CPU consuming... | 12:38 |
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| zuh | maddler: maybe you have a corrupted file somewhere and it busyloops with it... | 12:46 |
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| maddler | zuh: dunno... | 13:05 |
| maddler | zuh: do you ahve N800? | 13:06 |
| zuh | In about two hours, yes :) | 13:06 |
| zuh | But I have the company's device to play with | 13:06 |
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| JussiP | Yay! My N800 was just delivered. | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Oh man, this made me laugh :) http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2817195 | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Checkout the movie.. | 13:12 |
| _follower_ | X-Fade: :-O what is she *on*?? | 13:14 |
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| _follower_ | X-Fade: for that matter, would you buy a used car from that guy? | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, I would feel ripped off before even buying the thing. | 13:16 |
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| bedboi_ | hi there. | 13:19 |
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| konttori | X-Fade: those guys make it sound like N800 is a GSM phone. Like so weird | 13:29 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, I actually think that they think it is a GSM :) | 13:32 |
| lardman | Aargh, modal dialog from Opera (opening Accu-weather site) asking me if I want to stop the script as it's slowing things down, but clicking on the yes or No does nothing | 13:34 |
| lardman | Ah, Flash player not Opera, but via opera | 13:34 |
| lardman | And system model to boot! | 13:35 |
| lardman | ~lart Flash | 13:35 |
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| lardman | Phew, power button > Offline mode killed it | 13:37 |
| mitcheloc | tight vnc rules! | 13:40 |
| mitcheloc | (Through the n800) | 13:40 |
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| bedboi | bot some problems using my discount code... the transaction fails (the website tells me that my bank has denied the transaction) | 13:50 |
| bedboi | too bad | 13:50 |
| shana | bedboi: check if you've not selected mastercard instead of visa... :p | 13:51 |
| tigert | send mail to quim | 13:52 |
| tigert | if you have problem with the codes | 13:52 |
| lardman | shana: If you've not got one you mean? Worked fine with my Mastercard | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | Had no problems with my Mastercard. | 13:53 |
| tigert | or just call the store and sort it out | 13:53 |
| |tbb| | the address have to be the same which the card is registered too | 13:53 |
| |tbb| | also the owner have to be the same | 13:53 |
| |tbb| | the bank can could denied it if that isnt so | 13:54 |
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| bedboi | shana: i've used visa :) | 13:55 |
| bedboi | tigert: the code is accepted | 13:55 |
| tigert | ok. call the store then? | 13:56 |
| bedboi | let's try to change the address | 13:56 |
| bedboi | i called the store, and said to ask to my bank | 13:56 |
| * booiiing dances around "my n800 arrived" :D | 13:56 | |
| bedboi | ehehe | 13:57 |
| bedboi | :P | 13:57 |
| tigert | ok. hopefully things work out | 13:57 |
| tigert | could be the address. many webstores only deliver to billing address | 13:57 |
| bedboi | ok | 13:57 |
| bedboi | i'll try | 13:57 |
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| bedboi | fingers | 13:58 |
| bedboi | too much crossed | 13:58 |
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| bedboi | no luck | 13:59 |
| bedboi | still problems | 13:59 |
| bedboi | is there some italian here that used postepay cards to purchase? | 13:59 |
| shana | lardman: I got one, it's just that some peeps forgot that the default selection is mastercard instead of visa | 14:00 |
| lardman | shana: Yep, that;s what I thought you meant | 14:00 |
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| shana | bedboi: if you're using some kind of temporary card number service, it might not work | 14:03 |
| shana | bedboi: we have that too here, no dice, had to use the real one :p | 14:03 |
| bedboi | no no. the card is a prepaid Visa | 14:04 |
| bedboi | the number is fixed | 14:04 |
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| bedboi | it has validity and such | 14:04 |
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| bedboi | i used that card to get n770 | 14:04 |
| shana | ah | 14:04 |
| shana | my service is a sort of prepaid too, validity and such, only it gives you a temporary number with 1 month validity and a limit of purchase to use on the net | 14:05 |
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| zbenjamin | where can i add a patch for the mount_jffs2.sh shell script to use the block2mtd module (the blkmtd module is deprecated) | 14:05 |
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| bedboi | i have 120 euros on that card | 14:11 |
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| shana | eh | 14:12 |
| shana | so it should work : | 14:12 |
| shana | :p | 14:12 |
| bedboi | i don't know if there is a bug in the web page and it asks for 399 | 14:12 |
| shana | no, it should give you the price with discount, at least mine did | 14:12 |
| shana | oh you mean if it asks the bank for the 399? hmm | 14:13 |
| bedboi | so i'm clueless | 14:13 |
| bedboi | yep | 14:13 |
| tigert | damn webstores | 14:13 |
| shana | :p | 14:13 |
| shana | call customer service? | 14:13 |
| shana | :p | 14:14 |
| tigert | make noise towards carlos if things get stuck. our inention is not to test your nerves | 14:14 |
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| bedboi | who is carlos? | 14:16 |
| tigert | see planet | 14:19 |
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| tigert | or quim is another person to bug. or devel list of course. | 14:21 |
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| Piotras | tigert: do you kwno who should I ask directly about xterm problem ? ( maemo 3 inside scratchbox ) | 14:22 |
| Piotras | maemo_af_desktop[1223]: We could not read lowmem page stats. | 14:22 |
| kulve | I would guess that's something you shouldn't worry about | 14:23 |
| kulve | that probably works nicely on the device | 14:23 |
| kulve | it tries to read some memory stuff | 14:24 |
| Piotras | execl: No such file or directory | 14:24 |
| tigert | maemo-devel list is the best place | 14:24 |
| tigert | since it potentially also helps others with similar questions | 14:24 |
| Piotras | and xterm is not working at all | 14:24 |
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| hap | http://maemo.dlfp.org/ - a wishlist system for N800. Would that be usefull ? | 14:25 |
| kulve | Piotras: I think I have seen that execl error too and still everything worked, so your problem might be elsewhere. Of course I'm not sure at all :) | 14:25 |
| hap | Jaffa: ^ | 14:25 |
| maddler | oh... g'moring tigert | 14:27 |
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| tigert | hi. afternoon | 14:29 |
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| hap | ok, the layout sux :) | 14:32 |
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| Robot101 | mmm... Juhla Mokka. | 14:40 |
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| tigert | oh, in the office? ;) | 14:42 |
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| Robot101 | tigert: yeah :) | 14:44 |
| Robot101 | tigert: I come here for the food, you can't keep me away... | 14:44 |
| suihkulokki | food? I tought you came for the great weather! | 14:44 |
| tigert | ;) nice | 14:45 |
| Robot101 | I used to but I can't feel my face any more, so I don't get the pleasure out of horizontal snow any more... :D | 14:45 |
| tigert | try | 14:45 |
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| Ayoze | lo all | 14:52 |
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| mitcheloc | any good irc clients for the n800? | 15:03 |
| Molagi | xchat | 15:04 |
| c0ffee | irssi | 15:04 |
| kulve | ssh + screen + irssi | 15:04 |
| Molagi | im having troubles with irssi on the n800 | 15:04 |
| Molagi | when i download irssi and install it, it wont work | 15:05 |
| Molagi | same with ssh | 15:05 |
| Molagi | is it necessary to be root if you want ssh? | 15:05 |
| kulve | no | 15:05 |
| Molagi | how do i get ssh without being root | 15:06 |
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| hap | kulve: rox :) | 15:06 |
| kulve | Molagi: install with app.mgr. You may need to enable redbill for that though.. | 15:07 |
| kulve | pill | 15:07 |
| Molagi | whats that | 15:07 |
| kulve | normally you can install only debian packages with "user/xxx" sections. The red pill enables you to install any package | 15:08 |
| kulve | https://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 15:08 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:08 |
| mitcheloc | kulve: good point, i was thinking one that wuld run locally but i supposse that way would keep the connection up | 15:09 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: and I want to see the backlog from my existing irc.. | 15:10 |
| wumpus | I'm doing ssh + vncviewer + xchat :) | 15:10 |
| wumpus | don't like the console clients too much | 15:10 |
| kulve | I do. Although they are not that convient on n800 | 15:11 |
| Molagi | hmm i got the redpill now, what shall i do next to get the ssh? | 15:11 |
| kulve | you have the repositoried (catalogies) added in app. mgr.? | 15:12 |
| Molagi | hmm no.. | 15:12 |
| Molagi | how do i add them | 15:12 |
| wumpus | nah I just love vncviewer, I can control my entire pc from throughout my house | 15:13 |
| kulve | start app.mgr. Menu->tools->catalogues->new | 15:13 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:13 |
| Molagi | catalog name | 15:13 |
| Molagi | web address | 15:13 |
| Molagi | distribution | 15:13 |
| Molagi | what do i put in those | 15:14 |
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| kulve | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories | 15:14 |
| kulve | Nokia Catalogue (3rd party software), Maemo repository and Maemo Hackers is what I have at least | 15:15 |
| Molagi | i got them too | 15:15 |
| kulve | Kernel Concepts is probably nice too | 15:15 |
| Molagi | what shall i do next | 15:15 |
| kulve | if have have them, then just click "install new applications" or something on the main view in the app. mgr. and select "all" | 15:15 |
| kulve | you should have a big list there | 15:15 |
| mitcheloc | heh, well atm i'm doing n800 to vnc to rdesktop to trillian irc :) | 15:16 |
| kulve | if you enabled the red pill mode | 15:16 |
| Molagi | yeah | 15:16 |
| Molagi | theres like 100 file | 15:16 |
| Molagi | s | 15:16 |
| Molagi | what now | 15:16 |
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| kulve | Molagi: click "ssh" .. | 15:17 |
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| mitcheloc | What does the dual boot package do? Or rather what other firmware is here that we can boot? | 15:19 |
| Molagi | ok i installed the ssh | 15:20 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: flash+mmc | 15:20 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: i.e. you can build your own rootfs on mmc and boot it | 15:20 |
| Molagi | how do i get ssh working now | 15:21 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: e.g. some bleeding edge stuff from SVN or something. I think there were some images for 770 about sardine before n800 | 15:21 |
| kulve | Molagi: if you installed it, it should be running now | 15:21 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:21 |
| kulve | both the server with default passwd that everybody knows and you should have the command line ssh client | 15:21 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:21 |
| Molagi | do i open it from xterm | 15:22 |
| kulve | yup | 15:22 |
| Molagi | how do i change the server im trying to connect | 15:23 |
| Molagi | like irkki.org | 15:23 |
| mitcheloc | Sweet! I wonder if i buiilt a pos system on the n800 if nokia would give strong discounts for reselling the devic | 15:23 |
| kulve | Molagi: if you don't know what ssh is, try google for it.. | 15:24 |
| Molagi | well ive used putty put this is pretty weird | 15:24 |
| mitcheloc | *device | 15:24 |
| kulve | Molagi: I irc with my n800 like this: ssh my_home_computer.fi, screen -r -d, chat | 15:25 |
| kulve | or actually "ssh my_account@my_home_computer" | 15:25 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:25 |
| Molagi | ill try it | 15:25 |
| Molagi | WORKS | 15:27 |
| Molagi | thank you1 | 15:27 |
| Molagi | ! | 15:27 |
| kulve | np :) | 15:27 |
| Molagi | hmm how do i change the channel | 15:27 |
| mitcheloc | kulve: you don't have t set up as a shortcut? | 15:27 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: no. Maybe I should do it though.. | 15:28 |
| kulve | I did change the ssh keys so that it wont ask for the passwd since the keyboard remembers it.. | 15:28 |
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| kulve | Molagi: press the hard key esc and number or use the ctrl+p/n buttons on the right side of the xterm (I hope you have the new and shiny version of the xtemr) | 15:30 |
| Molagi | ok | 15:30 |
| Molagi | works | 15:30 |
| Molagi | ty | 15:30 |
| mitcheloc | so far the biggest missing software seems to be an iax or sip client | 15:31 |
| |tbb| | whats iax? | 15:32 |
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| mitcheloc | mark spencers signaling/voip protocol for asterisk - the main advantage being trouble free at traversal | 15:33 |
| hap | mitcheloc: gizmo doesn't allow you to connect to any SIP server? | 15:34 |
| mitcheloc | *at=nat | 15:34 |
| mitcheloc | hap, it seems to but i don't want to give my business clients a proprietary chat program | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | hap: It does actually.. | 15:36 |
| hap | mitcheloc: yeah i do understand that | 15:36 |
| kulve | isn't there a bunch of open source sip clients..? | 15:36 |
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| hap | an open source SIP client would be better | 15:36 |
| kulve | or just stacks? | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | hap: 'Login to Second Account'. | 15:36 |
| hap | X-Fade: ah, see, a sip client :) | 15:37 |
| mitcheloc | kulve, yes. Not ported though? | 15:37 |
| hap | http://penso.info/tmp/N800/ <- Elephant Dreams for N800, in case some wants it. | 15:37 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: yeah, don't remember seeing anything ported. At least working | 15:38 |
| Molagi | kulve is there a page up page down function for xterm | 15:38 |
| Molagi | so i can read previous messages | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | hap: It works fine. Although I rather have a Open Source version. And somthing that is properly Hildonized.. | 15:38 |
| kulve | Molagi: on the the new xterm, yes | 15:38 |
| Molagi | how does it work | 15:38 |
| kulve | http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm | 15:38 |
| kulve | there should be a button on the right stating "pgup" | 15:39 |
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| Molagi | hmm | 15:39 |
| Molagi | on the keyboard? | 15:39 |
| kulve | nope | 15:40 |
| kulve | in the xterm | 15:40 |
| mitcheloc | kulve: i thught i read that the n800 uses a dsp chip fpr voip? I imagine that that will require custom programing? | 15:40 |
| kulve | Molagi: keyboard is closed source, so it cannot really be modified | 15:40 |
| Molagi | where can i see the version of my xterm | 15:40 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: n800 should be able to do voip on ARM too. Besides the gstreamer on the n800/770 has sinks and sources for the dsp | 15:41 |
| hap | X-Fade: i agree, an opensource hildonized SIP client would be great | 15:41 |
| kulve | Molagi: at least on the xterm: dpkg -l osso-xterm | 15:41 |
| mitcheloc | why are they close sourcing th kb? | 15:41 |
| kulve | mitcheloc: dunno | 15:41 |
| og_ | Help with osso-xterm on N800, please! I have scavenged wiki and maillist to no avail. My Xterm just flashes up and dissappears. What did I miss? | 15:41 |
| Molagi | i got the version 0.13 | 15:42 |
| Molagi | what is the newest? | 15:42 |
| |tbb| | kulve: have u looked at this before http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/scripts/keyboard.pl | 15:42 |
| hap | X-Fade: but i don't know a _nice_ opensource SIP client at all, all I've tried just sux bad | 15:42 |
| kulve | 0.13.something | 15:42 |
| |tbb| | http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/scrawl.html#keyboard | 15:42 |
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| kulve | |tbb|: nope.. | 15:42 |
| hap | X-Fade: and I'm just asking for some nice UI and working with no crash. | 15:42 |
| Molagi | hmm where can i get the newest, is it included on the app.mgr? | 15:42 |
| |tbb| | take a look | 15:43 |
| exocet | For xterm problems, do not install the maemo-hackers version | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | if only Sofia-sip was integrated in some oss program for maemo. | 15:43 |
| mitcheloc | really i imagine it would be simple for someone to implement the iax2 stack that mark wrote and put on sourceforge | 15:43 |
| centipede | xterm: osso-xterm 0.13 crashes too, not just 0.13mh3 | 15:43 |
| kulve | exocet: why not? | 15:43 |
| exocet | I said on N800 the maemo hackers just crashes | 15:44 |
| kulve | hmm.. My xterm from maemo-hackers seems to work ok, allthough I haven't used it much yet.. | 15:44 |
| exocet | on n800 ? | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | Haven't seen any news on Tapioca lately.. | 15:44 |
| lele | X-Fade, tapioca used to integrate sofia-sip in earlier versions | 15:45 |
| kulve | exocet: on n800, yes | 15:45 |
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| hap | has the N800 something similar to Palm or iPhone to launch applications ? Instead of that ugly menu | 15:46 |
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| exocet | When I installed the maemo version, it then asked me to upgrade to the maemo-hackers version. Perharps that is the problem | 15:46 |
| exocet | I admit I never installed the maemo-hackers first | 15:46 |
| kulve | hap: apps are launched by dbus. Make your own extremely cool launcher, if the menus don't please you.. | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | an extremely cool launcher home applet would be sweet | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | lele: But the project seems dead? | 15:47 |
| Molagi | cant find the xterm from application manager | 15:47 |
| hap | kulve: well, before making my own, I feel it's better to _ask_ if there are other, isn't it ? | 15:47 |
| kulve | exocet: I did install some other version too, then mistral version from maemo-hackers, then the bora version.. | 15:47 |
| kulve | hap: there isn't | 15:48 |
| hap | ok | 15:48 |
| mitcheloc | the menu could use some help :) | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | lele: The same people are working on Canola now? So maybe they didn't find it important enough? | 15:48 |
| kulve | hap: just read in the .desktop-files, then use the dbus to launch apps. Although not all apps suppoers dbus stuff (afaik) | 15:48 |
| exocet | kulve: I will test ;) | 15:49 |
| lele | X-Fade, oh weel it seems that tapioca-sip is in the 0.39, perhaps the plugin can be built for maemo? | 15:49 |
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| X-Fade | lele: Hmm there seems to be activity in their svn. They are still working on it.. | 15:50 |
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| lele | X-Fade, mmhh. tapioca seems the most promising from my pov, since gizmo wants to relay sip signalling for the secondary account on their proxy | 15:52 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: lele: tapioca 0.3.9 had a sip connection manager built on top of sofia-sip. this cm is not being ported to new tapioca, after telepathy integration | 15:52 |
| andrunko | so if you want sip support you should use tapioca 0.3.9 | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | lele: indeed. Relaying is bad ;) | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | andrunko: Ah, that is nice. Are there packages for N800? :D | 15:53 |
| hap | kulve: Nokia-N800-51:/home/user# find . -name ".desktop-files" -> no files | 15:54 |
| andrunko | X-Fade: unfortunately not :S | 15:54 |
| mitcheloc | can you guys take a look at the iax2 ibrary? | 15:54 |
| kulve | hap: ls /usr/share/applications/hildon | 15:54 |
| hap | ah ok sorry | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | andrunko: Well, that is too bad. But that is something we can do ourselves.. | 15:55 |
| mitcheloc | andrunko: where can i download the tapioca package? | 15:55 |
| andrunko | mitcheloc: http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/ | 15:56 |
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| andrunko | X-Fade: yeah, but now that tapioca is integrated with telepathy, all we need is telepathy sip cm, that is being worked on | 15:57 |
| exocet | kulve: the new osso-xterm from maemo-hackers is 0.13.mh19bora1 ans upgrading from maemo version 0.13 works fine ! | 15:58 |
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| exocet | Although it didn't with mh13 | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | andrunko: That would really be nice! | 15:59 |
| hap | is there any use I buy a USB cable to connect my Garmin GPS to the N800, or there are no use yet ? | 15:59 |
| mitcheloc | whoops. Got connecte. Did i miss anything? | 15:59 |
| jcml_ | hap: I don't /think/ anyone's got GPS-over-USB working yet. Especially since the bluetooth versions work well (I understand) | 16:00 |
| centipede | exocet: Not on my machine :( Neither does 0.13 from repository.maemo.org::dist=bora::comp=free,non-free,extras | 16:00 |
| jcml_ | I may be wrong ... :) | 16:00 |
| hap | jcml_: ah too bad, my hand garmin GPS is usb only :( | 16:00 |
| exocet | centipede: what's happen ? | 16:00 |
| lele | andrunko, X-Fade : so a telepathy-sip cm would also allow the integrated client to use sip signalling? | 16:01 |
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| centipede | exocet: a window appears for a split-second. I want to hard-reset my N800 to make sure no old libraries can foul it up... | 16:02 |
| andrunko | lele: afaik yes, but i am not sure how much code is hardcoded on the integrated client, but other applications could for sure make use of it | 16:02 |
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| exocet | centipede: Did you try to install mh13 ? That sounds what happen to me when I did | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | lele: if you edit a contact in the internal client, you can add a phone field. So maybe.... | 16:03 |
| centipede | exocet: Yes, I think it was the first one I tried, not sure. Hopefully it is removed completely when uninstalling. | 16:04 |
| |tbb| | i think i asked it before, anyway. Is there a way to hack the n800 in that way so i can add fields to the addressbook, not just the phone number | 16:06 |
| exocet | centipede: When I installed the mh13, xterm never worked again, even if I uninstall/reinstall the maemo version | 16:08 |
| mitcheloc | i'll finish looking at tapioca in the morning, good night guys! | 16:08 |
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| centipede | Aha! So I need to return to factory defaults... But how? | 16:08 |
| exocet | try to install mh19 | 16:09 |
| exocet | perhaps it will work | 16:09 |
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| centipede | exocet: No, sorry, it doesn't. Does the uninstall leave files behind? | 16:10 |
| exocet | I don't know, perhaps it is its dependencies (librairies..) | 16:10 |
| centipede | exocet: I have uninstalled everything except for bitstream fonts. | 16:11 |
| exocet | Really I don't know :) | 16:11 |
| centipede | Thanks for trying anyway ;-) | 16:12 |
| exocet | When it happened to me I reflashed the N800 | 16:12 |
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| exocet | you're welcome | 16:12 |
| bedboi | hi there. | 16:12 |
| centipede | exocet: Can you give me a link on how to reflash N800? I would be very grateful. | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | hap: looks very cool | 16:13 |
| exocet | Try with http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 16:13 |
| centipede | Thanks... | 16:15 |
| hap | Jaffa: layout sux, but it works, ajax and shit | 16:15 |
| hap | Jaffa: now i need to enter some content i guess :) | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | :) | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | Send a link to maemo-developers, maemo-users and on internettablettalk.com forums | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | brb. | 16:16 |
| hap | Jaffa: well i'd rather like to get some content _before_ from me or/and users from this channel, than send a link to an almost empty database website. | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | ]True | 16:17 |
| hap | and steal some icons somewhere to have it look prettier | 16:17 |
| hap | Jaffa: if you have a little time, you may create yourself an account and hit me with feedbacks ;) | 16:18 |
| hap | else don't bother | 16:18 |
| hap | (it's fine) | 16:18 |
| * Jaffa should do in a couple of hours. About to open Jaffa Jr's birthday presents - and try and get this migraine better. | 16:18 | |
| * Jaffa isn't entirely convinced his in-laws aren't to blame for the latter | 16:19 | |
| hap | my N800 disconnects from my wifi which is 1 meter away, a top within a ssh session gets disconnected :( | 16:22 |
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| melmoth | Any idea what is the correct pkg-config stuff to add so dbus application compile ? | 16:25 |
| MDK | hap: what kind of router are you using? | 16:25 |
| hap | MDK: homemade linux router (freebox from free.fr), but it works fine with the same configuration and my powerbook laptop which i connect to from my workstation | 16:26 |
| hap | maddler: thanks for your vim port, usefull :) | 16:28 |
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| hap | maddler: it has bugs :) | 16:31 |
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| hap | maddler: when i do :syntax on i get : E484: Can't open file /home/maddler/vim_sbox//share/vim/syntax/syntax.vim | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | uh oh :) | 16:32 |
| hap | as you say :) | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | hap: you can work around it by setting the VIMRUNTIME environment var, if you need vim *right now* | 16:33 |
| hap | ah yeah thanks | 16:34 |
| hap | mgedmin: well maddler didn't include a syntax file at all anyway | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | hap: oh, that's the old vim package | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | I thought maddler released a new one, with syntax files | 16:35 |
| hap | what use is a vim without all its tools | 16:35 |
| hap | ah wll | 16:35 |
| hap | sux :) | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | hap: I've compiled vim with all the bells and whistles | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | pruned the runtime files so they don't take tens of megs | 16:36 |
| hap | mgedmin: http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ list 21/01 so i thought it was new | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | but I haven't built a .deb out of it yet | 16:36 |
| hap | dpkg-buildpackage ? :] | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | that's the easy part | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | the hard part is writing debian/rules | 16:36 |
| maddler | mgedmin: hap no... only moved them to another location :) | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | I tried to make sense out of ubuntu/debian's package, but... | 16:36 |
| maddler | :) | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | hap: in the meanwhile you could extract this in your home directory: http://mg.pov.lt/vim7-for-mistral.tar.gz | 16:37 |
| hap | ok well, i'll do without yet, no hurry for the syntax | 16:37 |
| hap | or fetch it from my linux box | 16:37 |
| maddler | hap: you could use some coloured pencil in the meantime :) | 16:38 |
| maddler | damn... I need ping and host commands... | 16:38 |
| hap | and 'w' | 16:38 |
| hap | and traceroute, etc. | 16:38 |
| maddler | well... w isn't necessary... and I can use mtr instead of traceroute... | 16:39 |
| onion | eh, new os2006 image... anyone tried it yet? | 16:42 |
| melmoth | is it me or does the libosso example from the tutorial does not compile in mameo 3.0 ? | 16:43 |
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| mgedmin | onion: is there a new one? | 16:47 |
| * |tbb| wonders about new one | 16:47 | |
| onion | just announced on the ml | 16:48 |
| onion | wlan fixes only | 16:48 |
| hap | |tbb|: talk here, it's easier for me | 16:49 |
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| bstock | so you have to re-flash to get these wlan fixes? that's annoying | 16:49 |
| bstock | i haven't had any problems with wlan either | 16:50 |
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| melmoth | just for the record, it was me.It compile with `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs libosso` -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/ -I/targets/SDK_X86/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include/ | 16:52 |
| sunshine | hi, I got a question, I want to flash my nokia 770 and than this message come : Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2) | 16:53 |
| sunshine | some Idea what this mean? | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | bad image? | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | have you checked the md5sum? | 16:54 |
| sunshine | no I havent mgedmin..thx | 16:54 |
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| sunshine | mgedmin, I followed the instructions in the wiki to flash a newer image on my nokia 770, so I got all files needed, and how do I check now the cheksums? | 16:57 |
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| s-ndh-c | ownload the sum file type md5sum filename and compare the hash against the one in the sum file | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | if you have a linux system, and you've downloaded the MD5SUMS file into the same directory as the OS image, then run md5sum -c MD5SUMS | 16:58 |
| sunshine | thx s-ndh-c and mgedmin, I will try this, yes I am using Linux(ubuntu) | 16:59 |
| jumpula | md5sum is available for win, too via unxutils, cygwin or equivalent | 17:00 |
| jumpula | i think as a w32 binary too.. | 17:00 |
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| pyhimys | I found out how to unmount the n800 properly from os x | 17:04 |
| pyhimys | you have to use disk utility's unmount | 17:04 |
| pyhimys | eject wont work | 17:04 |
| pyhimys | i even documented it: http://pyhimys.blogspot.com/2007/01/ejecting-n800-usb-filesystem-from-os-x.html | 17:05 |
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| Tak | meh | 17:08 |
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| Tak | anybody know any specific benefits to the new os2006 image other than "better wifi, wifi certifications" ? | 17:09 |
| bstock | where are you seeing this os2006 image? i didn't see it on the maemo.org page | 17:12 |
| Tak | http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 | 17:13 |
| Tak | there was an email to maemo-announce and maemo-users | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | one hour ago | 17:15 |
| * Tak didn't see the time | 17:15 | |
| Tak | I just got up :-P | 17:15 |
| Tak | and my email was like, "Good morning! Have a new os2006!" | 17:15 |
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| bstock | nice release notes.. | 17:17 |
| Tak | indeed | 17:17 |
| bstock | yeah i prob wouldn't upgrade unless i start noticing bad wifi connectivity | 17:17 |
| Tak | I wonder what they mean by "wifi certification" | 17:18 |
| sunshine | ok I tried now, the check sum is correct, but I got still this message : Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2) | 17:18 |
| bstock | they probably got certified by the wifi-alliance | 17:19 |
| bstock | the the 'wifi' term is a registered trademark | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | hm, sunshine, what command line you used? | 17:19 |
| Tak | wow - disagreement is unprofessional now | 17:20 |
| jtra | Tak: I wonder why there is no warning on that page that firmware upgrade deletes are internal data | 17:21 |
| sunshine | I used : root@ragtime:/home/ragtime/Desktop# ./flasher -F SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 17:21 |
| sunshine | and the standard terminal of ubuntu | 17:21 |
| jcml_ | It's arrived!! woo! | 17:21 |
| Tak | jtra: maybe it didn't occur to them that it wouldn't be obvious | 17:21 |
| bmidgley | wooo | 17:22 |
| jtra | hmm | 17:22 |
| hub | *sigh* I have to resinstall it all again | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | how can I have two /dev/mtdblockN devices with mtdram? | 17:22 |
| hub | jtra: it has always been the case, but yes | 17:23 |
| hub | jtra: use the system backup | 17:23 |
| jtra | I know, but I guess that it might not be obvious for all | 17:23 |
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| hub | the thing is that apparently the backup does not save apt sources | 17:23 |
| Tak | yeah | 17:24 |
| hub | or it didn't on 2.0 | 17:24 |
| hub | no idea on 2.1 | 17:24 |
| Tak | mine didn't on 2.1 either | 17:24 |
| bstock | sunshine: are you using the flasher version 3? | 17:24 |
| jtra | btw, anybody keen to try my new game and report me back if it works for him/her? http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/shisensho.html | 17:24 |
| sunshine | no I am using the normal flasher ..ok I will try with that one thx bstock :) | 17:25 |
| Molagi | why doesnt people make good games | 17:25 |
| Molagi | like adom | 17:25 |
| bstock | should be able to find it here:http://maemo.org//downloads/d3.php | 17:25 |
| jtra | Molagi: what is adom? | 17:25 |
| sunshine | already got it , but thanks bstock^^ | 17:26 |
| Tak | in my case, because I have no idea wtf adom is | 17:26 |
| Molagi | ancient domain of mystery | 17:26 |
| Molagi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adom | 17:26 |
| hub | is there a way to save them manually | 17:26 |
| hub | ? | 17:26 |
| Molagi | its like nethack | 17:26 |
| Tak | jtra: looks good; I don't have my device on me atm | 17:26 |
| Tak | I'm guessing adom would be a simple recompile | 17:27 |
| jtra | Tak: there is also OpenTTD port and my other game (Toggle Game) on that pages | 17:27 |
| Tak | yeah, I think I saw toggle game previously | 17:27 |
| Molagi | more rp games would be nice | 17:28 |
| bstock | hub: to save your apt sources you should be able to just scp /etc/apt/sources.list to another machine | 17:28 |
| Molagi | nethack is the only one | 17:28 |
| hub | bstock: I don't have scp | 17:28 |
| AD-N770 | what hapen with nethack ? | 17:29 |
| AD-N770 | it's a nice game | 17:29 |
| Molagi | yeah | 17:29 |
| bstock | do you have console? | 17:29 |
| Tak | what about Chaos Strikes Back? | 17:29 |
| sunshine | bstock thanks, now its flashing :) | 17:29 |
| Molagi | there should be more games like nethack on tablets | 17:29 |
| hub | I guess I'll just copy it on the flash card | 17:29 |
| hub | anyway I don't have the USB cable here | 17:29 |
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| sunshine | How is this...In the wiki stays I should plug in after the flashing, the charger, but when its ready with flashing, get I ll there a message , like finishing in the console? | 17:31 |
| jtra | I guess that games which requires text input will not be widely adopted on tablets | 17:31 |
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| Tak | sunshine: when it finishes flashing, the console will print a message | 17:32 |
| Molagi | well ultima 8 doesnt require text input | 17:32 |
| sunshine | ok thanks tak :) | 17:33 |
| Molagi | or ultima 7 | 17:33 |
| zyxulnaga | is it possible to do some customizations to the device install some applications and then keep an image of that, so it can be restored into other devices in the future? | 17:34 |
| AD-N770 | zyxulnaga: rsync can be usefull :) | 17:36 |
| booiiing | what is the better place for swap? sd or mmc? | 17:36 |
| zyxulnaga | AD-N770: can that store the entire state of the image? | 17:37 |
| zyxulnaga | i mean kernel and everything | 17:37 |
| zyxulnaga | so I can flash it after directly with my image | 17:37 |
| dwd | Tak: You *did* misread his statement, BTW. | 17:38 |
| s-ndh-c | find out how nokia did it | 17:38 |
| s-ndh-c | i think this os image is just some container that holds multiple filesystemimages or something | 17:38 |
| s-ndh-c | but maybe iam wrong | 17:38 |
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| dwd | Tak: He said he was expecting more antagonism, ie, that he expected to be the recipient of vacuous flames, rather than the kinds of structured disagreement he got. | 17:39 |
| zyxulnaga | yeah but i dont know if the flasher does other checks | 17:41 |
| AD-N770 | I'm not sure zyxulnaga, I used it to keep a third partition in the card with a mistral fresh | 17:41 |
| zyxulnaga | alright | 17:41 |
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| zyxulnaga | just trying to automate some install procedures | 17:41 |
| sunshine | I am worry about the flashing process...anyone know how long this normally takes? | 17:41 |
| Tak | dwd: ah | 17:41 |
| zyxulnaga | sunshine: a few seconds to a minute or two | 17:41 |
| sunshine | hm..than I am now worried^^ | 17:42 |
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| s-ndh-c | it displays status usualy | 17:42 |
| s-ndh-c | doesnt it? | 17:42 |
| zyxulnaga | yeah | 17:42 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast when i flashed my n770 it did | 17:42 |
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| sunshine | It tells me : Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 17:43 |
| zyxulnaga | right you need to power on the device | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | then plug in your usb cable and power on the device | 17:43 |
| sunshine | now power on? | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | also, make sure the charger is disconnected | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | and if the device is powered on, power it off, then turn it back on | 17:43 |
| sunshine | here it stayed, after this I should: Now plug in the charger to switch on the 770 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | the tablet can only talk to the flasher during boot time | 17:44 |
| sunshine | oh ok | 17:44 |
| s-ndh-c | just like my wrt | 17:45 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 17:45 |
| hub | s-ndh-c: yeah but wrt is over TFTP :-) | 17:46 |
| soleblaze | Holy..didn't think that the mameo-dev/users mailing lists would be this active | 17:47 |
| sunshine | ok now It works right:) | 17:47 |
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| jcml_ | soleblaze: I think there's a bit more traffic since the N800 launched :) | 17:49 |
| soleblaze | lol yeah. | 17:49 |
| soleblaze | ah well. | 17:49 |
| soleblaze | I can read it at work 0:) | 17:49 |
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| jcml_ | Grab a gmail account and filter it off - I find it managable in one -dev/-user combined folder ... | 17:50 |
| sunshine | ok , I flashed it now , but I still got this wired screen | 17:50 |
| soleblaze | yeah | 17:50 |
| bencer | hi all | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | sunshine: ./flasher-3.0 -R | 17:50 |
| soleblaze | I have a seperate account for lists on my domain..and I'm using mail.app to filter it, but keep it in my imap account so I can read it at work | 17:50 |
| bencer | i've just compiled musepack gstreamer plugin, and works, but has a very high cpu usage | 17:50 |
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| soleblaze | only problem with that is that my mail widget won't tell me I have new mail since it's on an imap server..meh..ah well | 17:51 |
| sunshine | mgedinmin what means that command? | 17:51 |
| sunshine | *mgedmin | 17:52 |
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| mlpug | whats pixmap? is it just a synonym for bitmap? wikipedia does not know | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | sunshine: it reboots the tablet with the new image | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | otherwise it sits there waiting for further commands from the flasher | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | I think you can also reboot it manually by pressing the power button | 17:55 |
| sunshine | ok it reebotet now with this new image | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | but I usually just flash and reboot with one command (flasher-3.0 -f -F filename -R) | 17:55 |
| sunshine | but the screen, its still wired | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | ok, what does "wired screen" mean? | 17:55 |
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| Disconnect | mgedmin: i'd bet "weird" | 17:56 |
| soleblaze | weird as in 'there's strange writing on my screen' | 17:56 |
| soleblaze | or weird as in 'i'm glad I got the replacement plan' | 17:56 |
| sunshine | mgedmin: I was using the dbclient to start in xterm an root session, and than suddendly after a while the network was down and than I restarted the device, and the screen was wired | 17:57 |
| soleblaze | wired? like lines going down it? | 17:57 |
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| sunshine | soleblaze : yes | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 17:57 |
| soleblaze | well that's not good | 17:57 |
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| sunshine | And is there a "cure"? | 17:58 |
| soleblaze | docta docta..tell me tha cure.. | 17:58 |
| soleblaze | er | 17:58 |
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| soleblaze | anyways..I gotta get to work... good luck sunshine | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | the cure is to ship the device back to nokia as broken | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | it's a hardware failure | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | that sometimes manifests after a reboot | 17:58 |
| sunshine | ok thanks soleblaze :) | 17:58 |
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| mgedmin | thankfully it never happened to me, but there were a few threads about this on the mailing list | 17:59 |
| sunshine | mgedmin..do you think I ll get a new one? I buy that before 2 weeks over the internet and I got garantie | 17:59 |
| sunshine | Because in the disvlaimer stood It can happen | 17:59 |
| sunshine | *disclaimer | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | you should talk to nokia support | 18:00 |
| sunshine | have you the e mail adress of the nokia support? | 18:00 |
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| sunshine | maybe?^^ | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | no | 18:00 |
| sunshine | hm okay.. | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | check out this thread: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-February/000720.html | 18:01 |
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| sunshine | yes this is exactly what I ve got | 18:02 |
| sunshine | mgedmin, is this likely to happen again than, when I make me at a new device to root? | 18:02 |
| Andy80 | hi | 18:02 |
| Andy80 | I've seen that OS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2 is out. Do you suggest me to update to this version? | 18:03 |
| zyxulnaga | i just updated to it | 18:03 |
| zyxulnaga | it seems to work fine up to now | 18:03 |
| s-ndh-c | does that update contain any relevant fixes? | 18:04 |
| Andy80 | yes but... I have to re-install all application :( | 18:04 |
| s-ndh-c | i did only see something about better wifi | 18:04 |
| s-ndh-c | but i have no problem with that yet | 18:05 |
| Andy80 | s-ndh-c: neither me | 18:05 |
| VRe | I wish I could update thru application manager.. | 18:07 |
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| Tak | if "better wifi" includes wep+peap, I'm *so* there | 18:08 |
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| Andy80 | my fear is that this update could broke kismet :P since it's not so easy to find a wireless card+configuration that works with it ;) | 18:11 |
| kulve | Andy80: i would guess that it on't bresk it | 18:11 |
| maddler | Andy80: no... I don't think kismet will be affected... | 18:11 |
| sunshine | ok bye togheter, I have to go...thanks a lot for the information I gathered, it helped me a lot :) | 18:12 |
| maddler | btw... I'm going to test in later this evening on my spare 770 :) | 18:12 |
| * maddler loves saying "spare 770" | 18:12 | |
| maddler | :D | 18:12 |
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| kulve | it's easy to typo with n800.. | 18:12 |
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| * mgedmin wonders whether kulve actually meant to type that, or if that was a typo of "to type" | 18:16 | |
| mgedmin | kind of like the "all Cretans are liars" question | 18:17 |
| kulve | easy to wwrite incorrect :) | 18:17 |
| kulve | maybe I'll learn | 18:18 |
| kulve | lets try the thumb keyboard | 18:18 |
| Tak | crap! nokia online store charges sales tax in tx :-( | 18:20 |
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| * Tak kicks tx | 18:20 | |
| keesj | ticks tic tacs | 18:20 |
| Tak | Taks? | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | how much is the tx tax, Tak? | 18:22 |
| Tak | lol, I dunno yet - just reading jaebird's post on the list | 18:22 |
| Tak | as long as it's < $300, I guess I'm ok ;-) | 18:22 |
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| philipl | Tak: 33.00 | 18:29 |
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| Tak | hmm - that must be tax on the whole amount, then | 18:29 |
| philipl | yeah | 18:29 |
| nelson | Look! It's a picture of my Nokia 770! http://flickr.com/photos/russnelson/369951376/ | 18:29 |
| * Tak kicks tx again | 18:30 | |
| nelson | And another one! http://flickr.com/photos/russnelson/368217940/ | 18:30 |
| sxpert-work | nelson: lol | 18:30 |
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| nelson | It wasn't *supposed* to be a picture of my 770.... | 18:30 |
| jcml_ | Cheeky little bastard, isn't it? Creeping into the shot like that ... | 18:33 |
| keesj | nelson, this one is also nice http://flickr.com/photos/russnelson/368147630/ but it's the n800 | 18:33 |
| hap | nelson: ah, i spend 2 months in india few months ago, on my used enfield, about 2000 kilometers done | 18:34 |
| hap | nelson: went through bengalore, but didn't much like it | 18:34 |
| hap | nelson: i had never see first class cabin, thanks ! :) | 18:35 |
| nelson | hap: So ... you know why Enfield made both rifles and motorcycles? | 18:39 |
| Tak | I was wondering how you went 2k km on a rifle | 18:40 |
| hap | nelson: i don't | 18:40 |
| hap | Tak: :) | 18:40 |
| nelson | hap: same technology makes rifle barrels and motorcycle tubes. | 18:40 |
| hap | ah ok | 18:40 |
| hap | nelson: well i had fun, but i wouldn' advice anyone to do the same, almost got killed so many times by trucks | 18:41 |
| nelson | Indian drivers are scary. They trust each other WAY too much. | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | I've seen a video on youtube | 18:42 |
| * mgedmin shudders | 18:42 | |
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| nelson | mgedmin: I've got one I'm going to upload. | 18:42 |
| hap | yeah, i noticed. I also noticed 3 trucks in front of me where the road was 10 meters large | 18:42 |
| hap | and i had no space to go :) | 18:42 |
| nelson | between the trucks? | 18:43 |
| hap | nelson: in fact india roads are the first time I _saw_ dead bodies in front of me, and about 5 deads within a 4 hours drive in Kerala. | 18:43 |
| nelson | That's what all the other Indians do. | 18:43 |
| nelson | yeeks. | 18:43 |
| hap | i stoped because of my first aid diploma, but what can you then do | 18:43 |
| hap | you're in a middle of nowhere, the guy had his skull in 2 pieces | 18:44 |
| nelson | People are fragile. | 18:44 |
| hap | and then other idians go by and tell you "don't worry; no problem" | 18:44 |
| hap | then you understand they really have another idea about death :) | 18:44 |
| nelson | Here's a crazy road (Mumbai-Pune Expressway): http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=18.76648,73.35925&z=16&t=S | 18:44 |
| |tbb| | does a reboot consumes much battery? | 18:45 |
| hap | well, next time i'm going i don' know what i'll use. in fact buses are as dangerous as riding on your own bike, where you can at least drive slowly. | 18:46 |
| onion | anyone into tracker music and would like to test a package ?? | 18:48 |
| Tak | |tbb|: supposedly rebooting uses more battery than many hours of idle time | 18:48 |
| |tbb| | idle time could also been having a internetconnection running with xchat for example? | 18:49 |
| * Tak shrugs | 18:49 | |
| shapr | |tbb|: Rebooting on my Nokia 770 seems to use more than an hour of wifi-connected idle time. | 18:54 |
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| |tbb| | i also have noticed something like that ;/ | 18:57 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, there do seem to be issues with video playback on the N800. After about 10 minutes it seems to stall, switching from full screen to window and back again seems to fix it. | 18:57 |
| jcml_ | I find that the battery status meter takes into account "current" current (:-)) utilisation. I.e. if you're using it heavily (bootup) it'll take a few minutes of idle (or even wifiy) behaviour before it re-evaluates it's "how much charge remains" estimate. | 18:57 |
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| jcml_ | s/it's/its/ # grrrrr | 18:58 |
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| rofltosh | so, does anyone know | 18:58 |
| rofltosh | does the N800 yet have picture-taking functionality? | 18:59 |
| maddler | rofltosh: not (yet) | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, someone compiled a quick app to demo it. | 18:59 |
| |tbb| | nope not before u code something for us | 18:59 |
| jcml_ | rofltosh: I took a photo of the screen while it looked at me - does that count? :) | 18:59 |
| rofltosh | haha, well i have absolutely no programming experience | 18:59 |
| |tbb| | jaffa did it work for u? vor me not | 18:59 |
| rofltosh | i was just considering buying one, and wondered if you could snap photos yet | 19:00 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: not tried it | 19:00 |
| rofltosh | so does this mean it's possible, i.e. that somebody *will* write an app to take pictures in the near future? | 19:00 |
| hub | if I get mine, I might to it | 19:00 |
| hub | s/to/do/ | 19:00 |
| glasss | it's highly likely that your cellular phone will take better photos | 19:00 |
| rofltosh | well the whole point is that i want the N800 to replace my phone | 19:01 |
| rofltosh | use skype for calls (the wifi is everywhere here) | 19:01 |
| hub | glasss: I havent' seen for the n800, but my cell quality is crap | 19:01 |
| rofltosh | that is, when they write a skype app for it :] | 19:01 |
| hub | rofltosh: fwiw, skype is a proprietary closed protocol. better invest on SIP | 19:02 |
| rofltosh | like gizmo? | 19:02 |
| jcml_ | rofltosh/hub: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007230.html | 19:03 |
| rofltosh | heh, sweet jcml_ | 19:04 |
| hub | jcml_: yeah that can be a limiting factor | 19:04 |
| Jaffa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4034& | 19:04 |
| rofltosh | all i'd really want is the ability to snap VGA pictures of mediocre quality and upload them to flickr on the go | 19:05 |
| hub | rofltosh: I can do that with my phone | 19:05 |
| hub | over BT download the picture and upload it | 19:05 |
| hub | I actually used my N770 to download from the phone | 19:05 |
| hub | because I don't have BT on the laptop | 19:06 |
| rofltosh | yes hub, but i want to do this all on one gadget over wifi... simple = better | 19:06 |
| rofltosh | and i don't want to be dependent on cell networks either | 19:06 |
| hub | rofltosh: given that I need a phone anyway | 19:06 |
| hub | it does not depend on the cell network | 19:06 |
| hub | it is only BT | 19:06 |
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| rofltosh | ah, never mind... misread your explanation | 19:06 |
| jcml_ | I'd lay money on people making some *really* exciting/novel/etc apps that use the camera - and hopefully they'll be expandable to grab BT-accessible images on an already-paired device. | 19:07 |
| rofltosh | so, a couple more noob questions, | 19:07 |
| rofltosh | how long does the N800 take to boot? | 19:08 |
| jcml_ | <1 minute | 19:08 |
| jcml_ | faster than the 770 | 19:08 |
| Jaffa | I'm liking the "Soft poweroff" you can enable in the power button menu. | 19:08 |
| rofltosh | does it have a standby mode so you don't need to wait for booting every time you whip it out? | 19:08 |
| Tak | what's "soft poweroff" ? | 19:08 |
| jcml_ | Anyone timed how long a new (or depleted) N800 takes to fully charge? | 19:09 |
| hub | jcml_: I can't order by N800 yet | 19:09 |
| Jaffa | rofltosh: it's got advanced power mgmt so you don't need that, but yes - you can enable a "soft poweroff" to get a sleep/suspend like functionality | 19:09 |
| ||cw | rofltosh: yes, and it lasts days on standby | 19:09 |
| * jcml_ hopes it'll charge by the time he has to leave the office ... | 19:09 | |
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| rofltosh | okay... one other thing... the N800's manual warns against leaving it plugged in after it's done charging, r else the battery will "overcharge"... does this mean nokia wasn't smart enough to include a charge controller onboard? | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | No, it's standard disclaimer stuff. | 19:10 |
| rofltosh | i'd really want to use it as one would a laptop... leave it plugged in while at a desk, and unhook it while on the go | 19:11 |
| rofltosh | ah, | 19:11 |
| rofltosh | so you can leave it plugged in most of the time with no issues? | 19:11 |
| |tbb| | Jaffa, IIRC i just could shutdown the unit by using the powerbotton | 19:11 |
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| zyxulnaga | rofltosh: yeah i have left mine for endless hours plugged in | 19:11 |
| rofltosh | sweet | 19:11 |
| Tak | I do that with the 770 (plugged in @ desk) | 19:11 |
| zyxulnaga | both with the 800 and the 770 | 19:11 |
| rofltosh | one more question... how good is AIM support (i'm assuming via Gaim) to date? | 19:11 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: soft poweroff still gives you instant on, but saves muchos power (AFAICT) | 19:11 |
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| * |tbb| confused | 19:12 | |
| hap | Jaffa: advanced power managment ? Well i left it turned on all night long => this morning no more batteries | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | hap: have you got wireless disconnection when idle enabled? | 19:12 |
| |tbb| | hap, i got the same before i have to reflash the unit | 19:13 |
| hap | |tbb|: you mean reflashing fixed the problem ? | 19:13 |
| hap | Jaffa: my ssh gets diconnected, yes, if it's what you mean | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | |tbb|: soft poweroff is like lock keyboard + screen, but it doesn't require you to press select after pressing power | 19:13 |
| |tbb| | nope but maybee one service was consuming the whole battery | 19:13 |
| hap | |tbb|: well i had nothing running on mine | 19:14 |
| |tbb| | nothing visible :) | 19:14 |
| hap | well i'll check through ssh next time | 19:14 |
| |tbb| | mgedmin: how to enable softpoweroff | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | |tbb|: edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml as root | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | uncomment the menu item definition | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | reboot | 19:15 |
| |tbb| | ok | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | then the power menu gets a new menu item | 19:15 |
| hap | mgedmin: aah great | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | you can also add "reboot" to the menu that way | 19:15 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: I'm thinking of moving soft poweroff to the top of the menu, so I can do "power+select" to do it | 19:15 |
| rofltosh | so, anyone have experience with AIM on either the N800 or N770? | 19:16 |
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| mgedmin | Jaffa: if you figure out how to do that, tell me | 19:17 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: I'd assumed (but not tested) that reordering the elements in the XML file would do it | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | nope | 19:17 |
| |tbb| | mgedmin, thx i just wondering about the fb-progress script exactly the if != blabla | 19:17 |
| * mgedmin tries to make sense out of that sentence and gives up | 19:18 | |
| hap | <menuitem priority="90" <<-è | 19:18 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: changing the "priority" attribute? | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | probably | 19:18 |
| hap | Jaffa: i would say change that | 19:18 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, just testing now. | 19:18 |
| * shapr boings cheerfully | 19:18 | |
| |tbb| | hmmh, in the script it asks about which bootreason it was to start new | 19:18 |
| * mgedmin wonders if it is possible to keep time by noticing shapr's boings | 19:18 | |
| shapr | eheh | 19:19 |
| * hap wants an osx dock like style on the left for the 3 buttons. drag&drop out of the dock => icon removed. | 19:19 | |
| hap | i guess i'm just dreaming. | 19:19 |
| shapr | Well, I start boinging in the morning and I stop when I go to sleep, so it's a good way to keep shapr time :-) | 19:19 |
| shapr | mgedmin: I bet you're the only person on #maemo that I've met in person, so you really know how bouncy I am. | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: yep, changing priority to 110 reorders it | 19:19 |
| hap | why isn't softpower off by default, doesn't it save battery?? | 19:20 |
| shapr | Yeah, I'd want softpower off by default too. It sounds like the right way to keep screen touches from sucking power. | 19:20 |
| * Jaffa renames his to "Put device to sleep" too | 19:21 | |
| Tak | Euthanize device? | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | actually, what I would like is to have a "blank screen NOW" button/menu item | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | like PalmOS has | 19:21 |
| jcml_ | Stop. | 19:21 |
| jcml_ | "Shapr Time!!" | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | with instant wakeups on taps/any key | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | rather than only the power btn | 19:21 |
| jcml_ | (sorry) | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | heh | 19:22 |
| Tak | mgedmin: actually I'm making a little applet for the 770 to do a similar thing | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | a what thing? | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | blank screen now? | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | cool | 19:22 |
| Tak | couple different screen-related things | 19:22 |
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| mgedmin | my use case: nokia 770 as a car stereo (or mono as it may be) system | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | the shining display is not so good while driving at night | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | but I want to skip tracks by pressing one button | 19:23 |
| rofltosh | hey, can anyone tell me how good the AIM support on the N770/N800 is? | 19:24 |
| jcml_ | rofltosh: on the 770 it worked, but wasn't as integrated as the device's native gtalk support. | 19:24 |
| rofltosh | well that's okay jcml_... i'm just wondering, is it refined enough for frequent use? | 19:25 |
| ||cw | rofltosh: you just install gaim and go, i don't how it would worse on the n800 than it did on the 770 where it works acceptably | 19:25 |
| rofltosh | pretty neat | 19:25 |
| ||cw | i think i used ti once when i first got my 770, but I haven't installed it again after the os2006 upgrade | 19:27 |
| jcml_ | ||cw: ditto. | 19:27 |
| ||cw | i don't im much though | 19:27 |
| jcml_ | It just wasn't worth the setup bother | 19:27 |
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| ||cw | I use gmail chat more than aim, and I think i used gtalk on the 770 once | 19:28 |
| shapr | jcml_: boing to the beat! Lately that's 4/4 of reggae though... | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | would be nice if maemo.org had something like this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 19:29 |
| shapr | mgedmin: I'd suggest stealing the ipod shuffle interface for an easy to use car player. | 19:30 |
| rofltosh | hey guys, thanks for all the help :D | 19:30 |
| rofltosh | adios | 19:30 |
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| mgedmin | shapr: when I watched the ipod demo videos, I wanted to implement that UI with a python program on the 770 | 19:30 |
| mgedmin | but apple would probably send lawyers after anyone who tried that :/ | 19:30 |
| * mgedmin suddenly has this image of shapr on a pogo stick | 19:31 | |
| hap | mgedmin: the launcher with icons ? | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | hap: touch-based scrolling with inertia | 19:31 |
| hap | aah yeah, i want that too. First thing i was wondering too | 19:31 |
| shapr | I can't see them sending lawyers after the ipod shuffle interface, it's just a ring with 'next track' on the right, 'prev track' on the left, 'vol up' on the top, 'vol down' on the bottom' and 'play/pause toggle' in the big center button. | 19:31 |
| hap | but could that be implemented in Python, isn't it more like a system thing | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | would the 770's hardware be up to the task, though? | 19:31 |
| shapr | mgedmin: Actually, I bounce on a unicycle. | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | oh, ipod, not iphone | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | I always mix those two up | 19:32 |
| ||cw | mgedmin: apples interface isn't all that different than most mp3 players, it's the clickwheel that makes it special | 19:32 |
| * mgedmin does not have an ipod shuffle, nor any other ipod | 19:32 | |
| shapr | mgedmin: I sort of wish I didn't... lack of ogg and flac really gets on my nerves. | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | shapr: a unicycle is basically a pogo stick with a wheel instead of a spring, right? :) | 19:32 |
| shapr | But I couldn't find a small enough ogg player. | 19:33 |
| shapr | mgedmin: er, yes, actually | 19:33 |
| ||cw | shapr: so install rockbox or that linux for ipod distro | 19:33 |
| shapr | ||cw: rockbox doesn't do ipod shuffle | 19:33 |
| ||cw | unless you have a shuffle, that is | 19:33 |
| ||cw | heh | 19:33 |
| hap | what I want is inertia when i browse a webpage, to move to the bottom or up | 19:33 |
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| shapr | mgedmin: This is my wheeled pogo stick - http://picasaweb.google.com/shae.erisson/OakMountainUnicycling/photo#5020679394879006402 | 19:33 |
| ajturner | that's awesome | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | what I want is browser panning that doesn't lag | 19:34 |
| ajturner | do you really ride that on trails? | 19:34 |
| ||cw | inertia wouldn't be a problem from apple, that's nothing new | 19:34 |
| hap | no, it was just for the picture | 19:34 |
| shapr | ajturner: Yup, Oak Mountain State Park every weekend and around the golf course every day. | 19:35 |
| hap | carrying it all the way to the woods and shit just for a picture, he's the man :) | 19:35 |
| shapr | hap: hahah | 19:35 |
| hap | shapr: where's the rest, someone stole you the front part ? | 19:36 |
| shapr | hap: I just got rid of that last training wheel ;-) | 19:36 |
| tigert | wow | 19:36 |
| ||cw | how come there are no pictures of you riding on terrain | 19:37 |
| shapr | mgedmin: Got some points to put onto a MaemoDevelopment page equivalent to the UbuntuDevelopment page? | 19:37 |
| hap | because he doesn't, i told you ;) | 19:37 |
| jcml_ | shapr: can you get unicycles with 2 training wheels? :) | 19:38 |
| hap | ||cw: because he goes so fast the camera isn't fast enough ? | 19:38 |
| shapr | ||cw: It's hard to hold the camera steady while riding. | 19:38 |
| ||cw | other people would take them... | 19:38 |
| shapr | ||cw: But I'll get take today just for you ;-) | 19:38 |
| ||cw | heh | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | shapr: not really, just another case of "somebody else ought to do this" :( | 19:38 |
| shapr | er "take some today" | 19:38 |
| shapr | jcml_: You can, but they're not very good. | 19:38 |
| hap | shapr: what you need on this is something like regular bikes, so you can go faster and faster | 19:39 |
| shapr | jcml_: Better to learn on a 20" learning unicycle and then upgrade | 19:39 |
| hap | a speed change or something | 19:39 |
| hap | ok, then it would become a break necking device | 19:39 |
| shapr | hap: Geared hubs are just starting to be commercially produced. But they're $1000+ right now, I can't afford that. | 19:39 |
| hap | shapr: how fast can you then go on a flat street ? Must become dangerous quickly, like if you can ride at 50km/h | 19:40 |
| hap | then how do you stop when a truck comes in front.. | 19:40 |
| tigert | wow. radiohelsinki.fi has excellent friday music :) | 19:40 |
| hap | (i'm talking about the geared ones) | 19:40 |
| shapr | hap: A geared hub and a 36 inch wheel would probably get you up to 20 mph / 32 kmh | 19:41 |
| hap | ouch | 19:41 |
| hub | I'm not geared | 19:41 |
| tigert | (the mp3stream on topright) | 19:42 |
| shapr | Hydraulic brakes are for stopping quickly, but I don't have mine mounted yet. | 19:42 |
| hap | shapr: hmm, i don't see how you could operate Hydraulic on such and not fall | 19:42 |
| hap | i guess i ll have to try myself | 19:42 |
| shapr | But, I *do* want A2DP support so I can listen to my music from bluetooth headphones while unicycling =) | 19:42 |
| hap | disc brakes? | 19:42 |
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| shapr | hap: disc brakes are rare for unicycles, V-brakes are the most common. | 19:43 |
| hap | ok | 19:43 |
| shapr | The recent bluetooth headset thread on maemo-dev said that A2DP could probably be setup by an N800 owner without too much effort (if you're a developer) has anyone tried that? | 19:44 |
| |tbb| | shapr i agree, im waiting long time for something like that (a2dp) | 19:45 |
| shapr | ipod shuffle headphone cables still get in my way when I'm unicycling, a bluetooth stereo headset would be perfect, and let me play FLAC and Ogg. | 19:45 |
| keesj | the thumpad integration with opera is really nice . I can reply to gmail mails remove some text and other stuff. typing is still a bit slow. not typing with the thumbs om the pad .(the fingers next to the thumb) | 19:46 |
| shapr | |tbb|: The maemo-dev thread said the best way to speed up A2DP is to help the bluez guys. | 19:47 |
| shapr | Though I think only the N800 has a bluetooth chip with bluez support. | 19:48 |
| keesj | there are so many small user interaction improvements. it is a joy | 19:49 |
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| * mgedmin drools | 19:49 | |
| * shapr wants to try! | 19:50 | |
| * mgedmin looks at the calendar | 19:50 | |
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| shapr | mgedmin: Do you have your N800 yet? | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | no | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | I'll get it in two weeks... | 19:52 |
| Molagi | diablo2 would kick ass on n800 | 19:53 |
| Molagi | or diablo1 | 19:53 |
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| mgedmin | yes | 19:53 |
| Tak | call up blizzard and ask for the source | 19:53 |
| Molagi | yeah | 19:53 |
| Molagi | with luck they could give diablo 1 | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | ask nokia to send them a discount code if they port diablo :) | 19:54 |
| Molagi | hehe | 19:54 |
| * jcml_ has been spending too long debugging http://www.openusenet.org/diablo/ and *totally* misread the last sentence ... | 19:56 | |
| hap | jcml_: are you running a usenet binaries server yourself? | 19:57 |
| * mgedmin recently got diablo 2 running on wine and wasted a week of free time | 19:57 | |
| jcml_ | Well, it's /technically/ claranet's, not *mine* :) | 19:57 |
| hap | jcml_: ah ok, clara.net ? | 19:57 |
| hap | ok | 19:57 |
| hap | how much retention do you provide? | 19:57 |
| Tak | yea, my fiancee and I are (re)playing through on wine | 19:57 |
| jcml_ | <10 days at present. | 19:58 |
| jcml_ | :( | 19:58 |
| hap | ah ok | 19:58 |
| jcml_ | hap: I'm not registered with freenode and can't do PMs ... :| | 19:59 |
| hap | jcml_: ah ok, too bad then. | 19:59 |
| jcml_ | (and am British :) | 19:59 |
| hap | ah ok, sorry i'm used to people from clara to be french | 20:00 |
| hap | jcml_: are you a newzbin user then? | 20:00 |
| jcml_ | :) well, clara.fr staff /are/ french | 20:00 |
| hap | anyway, all that is off topic :) | 20:01 |
| jcml_ | :) | 20:01 |
| jcml_ | Night all - off to play with the n800 on the train home! | 20:01 |
| hap | jcml_: you ll get an invite for something | 20:02 |
| hap | jcml_: use it if you wish, don't bother if you don't care | 20:02 |
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| s-ndh-c | is there a monkey bubble port for the n770? | 20:07 |
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| mgedmin | there was a similar game with a different name | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | Pengupop | 20:09 |
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| bedboi | LOL | 20:10 |
| bedboi | Dear Mrs. De Cicco, | 20:10 |
| bedboi | We would recommend you to contact your bank in order to find out why the payment is rejected. | 20:10 |
| bedboi | it is just because my name is Luca that i'm a Mrs | 20:10 |
| Tak | probably | 20:10 |
| bedboi | ahah | 20:10 |
| Tak | do you live on the second floor? ;-) | 20:10 |
| konfoo | haha | 20:11 |
| bedboi | ;) | 20:11 |
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| bedboi | so it seems that i'm stuck | 20:11 |
| bedboi | with my credit card it seems that i won't be able to issue the payment | 20:13 |
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| bedboi | and it's really strange because i used the same card to purchase n770 | 20:13 |
| bedboi | last year | 20:13 |
| tigert | ask your bank :) | 20:13 |
| Tak | did you call and find out what the deal is? | 20:13 |
| ajturner | are you talking about using the dev code? | 20:14 |
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| bedboi | Tak: my bank...i'm sure my bank won't be able to say nothing. | 20:14 |
| bedboi | they will say: ask the dealer | 20:14 |
| Tak | did you call nokia? | 20:14 |
| bedboi | yep | 20:14 |
| bedboi | they said "ask the bank" | 20:15 |
| * Tak shrugs | 20:15 | |
| Tak | call the bank, then call nokia back | 20:15 |
| ajturner | bedboi - didn't work for me, and I talked with customer support & nokia support | 20:15 |
| ajturner | they wanted me to 'fax the email' to them | 20:15 |
| bedboi | eh? | 20:15 |
| bedboi | fax the email? | 20:15 |
| * Tak really hopes this stuff is resolved by the time he orders | 20:15 | |
| bedboi | what's that? | 20:15 |
| ajturner | right | 20:15 |
| bedboi | ahahah | 20:15 |
| ajturner | that's what i said | 20:15 |
| ajturner | :) | 20:15 |
| bedboi | that doesn't make any sense | 20:16 |
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| ajturner | supposedly "Lets Talk" is looking into it and is going to call me back | 20:17 |
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| bedboi | so someone is having the same problem i have | 20:23 |
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| ajturner | bedboi - yes, and apparently there are others. You're in the US, right? | 20:24 |
| bedboi | nope. italy | 20:25 |
| tigert | yea, people seem to have trouble with their cards | 20:26 |
| bedboi | hmmm | 20:26 |
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| bedboi | what's up? | 20:26 |
| bedboi | it could be that they are not applying the discount? | 20:26 |
| bedboi | because i have a prepaid card | 20:26 |
| tigert | I guess the first item in checklist is the usual "billing address == shipping address"= | 20:26 |
| bedboi | with enough credit | 20:26 |
| tigert | ? | 20:26 |
| sxpert | tigert, I've heard of people living in .ca that can't seem to be able to use their code, as it only works on the US site, and requires a US address | 20:27 |
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| bedboi | hmm | 20:28 |
| bedboi | well gotta go now | 20:28 |
| ajturner | well I'm in the US, US address, tried 2, very valid CC's, and billing=shipping | 20:28 |
| bedboi | ah!!! so that's nokia fault :P | 20:28 |
| ajturner | well, it's something in their CC validation | 20:28 |
| ajturner | it's applying the discout, the total is correct | 20:28 |
| bedboi | ajturner: they just accept visa gold | 20:28 |
| ajturner | but when you call into nokia shop- they don't know what the discount code is | 20:28 |
| bedboi | :P | 20:28 |
| disq | tigert: hey :) is ferenc online and/or can somebody reset my garage repo key? (need to generate a new one seems like my current one is broken) | 20:28 |
| zuh | I ordered a N800 for a friend and at least they claim it's on its way so no problems with addresses for me... | 20:29 |
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| disq | i was able to order from the us shop today, though under billing address i had to choose "US" and give false information | 20:30 |
| keesj | disq, is it not possible using the garage admin? | 20:30 |
| disq | it's not around, i'll look again | 20:30 |
| disq | the link to do that, that is | 20:30 |
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| sxpert | tigert, user in question also stated that the .ca nokia site was pretty, erh, "poor". I think he used the words "third world" | 20:31 |
| hub | sxpert: where did you hear that? | 20:31 |
| sxpert | erh... | 20:31 |
| sxpert | somewhere on #gnomefr :DD | 20:31 |
| tigert | disq: mail ferenc | 20:31 |
| tigert | disq: he has the admin rights | 20:31 |
| * hub is waiting anwser from both the CA and US stores | 20:32 | |
| bedboi | let's try the last time | 20:32 |
| bedboi | no way | 20:32 |
| disq | ok | 20:32 |
| Tak | nokia ca looks like your standard corporate site | 20:32 |
| tigert | nokia websites are not exactly friendly | 20:32 |
| tigert | loads of flash and other crap | 20:32 |
| bedboi | The bank has refused the transaction. Check that digits are correct. | 20:33 |
| hub | Tak: http://store.nokia.ca/ | 20:33 |
| tigert | bedboi: call the bank and ask what it was? | 20:33 |
| hub | Tak: not the best experience, but you can browser without flashcrapola | 20:33 |
| tigert | they'll have logs | 20:33 |
| bedboi | ok,i'll ask tomorrow, hopefully | 20:33 |
| bedboi | bye all | 20:33 |
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| hub | Tak: I have emailed them about ordering | 20:33 |
| ajturner | tigert... but they're so purtee | 20:33 |
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| sxpert | well, tomorrow being saturday, I'm not sure bedboi will be able to ask anything :D | 20:34 |
| gomiam | hello everyone | 20:34 |
| gomiam | sorry for bumping in here like this, but I just found something weird about my N800 | 20:34 |
| gomiam | the SD card included in the box isn't recognized | 20:34 |
| gomiam | should it be formatted with FAT or FAT32 format? | 20:35 |
| kulve | I think I didn't do anything with it. Just used it.. | 20:38 |
| kulve | s,with,to, | 20:38 |
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| gomiam | :-) I needed to do nothing on a N770 I temporarily had. But this is intrihuinh. | 20:39 |
| gomiam | intriguing | 20:39 |
| gomiam | ok, restarting tablet... | 20:39 |
| Tak | several people have had similar issues with sd cards on the n800 | 20:40 |
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| gomiam | ouch | 20:40 |
| gomiam | well, I guess I'll have to try the 2GB (4GB if I can get it) one before I buy it :-) | 20:40 |
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| kulve | I'm using 2G sd without problems.. | 20:41 |
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| bedboi | re | 21:15 |
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| jonnylamb | Hey all. I'm still getting "The code you entered is not valid" from the Nokia UK site.. has anyone got any suggestions on what could be wrong/what to do next? thanks :) | 21:20 |
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| tzz | jonnylamb: call Nokia support for the store. | 21:23 |
| ajturner | tzz, in my experience Nokia support didn't recognize that code | 21:28 |
| jonnylamb | tzz: hmm, i can't find any phone number on their site at all.. | 21:28 |
| jonnylamb | searching for "phone" or "phone number" is a bad thing to do on the NOKIA site though!! | 21:28 |
| hub | jonnylamb: search for "contact" | 21:30 |
| bedboi | is it possible to issue a phone order? | 21:30 |
| hub | I think | 21:30 |
| bedboi | what about the discount code? | 21:30 |
| jonnylamb | hub: i was already on "contact us", but weren't too willing to give out a phone number though! i've got "nokia care"'s number now! if anything, they can put me through to the right person! they're also open until 9pm which is great- hopefully can order tonight :) | 21:31 |
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| tzz | jonnylamb: I hope that works for you. I was away, sorry. | 21:38 |
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| jonnylamb | tzz: me too- thank you :) | 21:40 |
| jonnylamb | does Nokia delivery these devices pronto, or leave you waiting for ages? | 21:40 |
| tigert | FYI: | 21:41 |
| tigert | For what it is worth, I was able to order my n800 over the phone with | 21:41 |
| tigert | minimal trouble- they seem to be aware of the problem and very capable | 21:41 |
| tigert | of handling it. Web site still is unhappy as of about 12:30pm EST." | 21:41 |
| tigert | says Luis | 21:41 |
| tigert | so, call them | 21:41 |
| ajturner | tigert, when I called they said the code didn't look like any coupon # they've seen before | 21:42 |
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| bedboi | tigert: ah, so they are aware of the website problem | 21:44 |
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| bedboi | so it's unlikely to be a bank problem as stated | 21:44 |
| bedboi | isn't it? | 21:44 |
| jonnylamb | tigert: aah, thanks very much :) where was that? or more like, where did i miss that?! | 21:44 |
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| bedboi | well going | 21:48 |
| bedboi | by | 21:48 |
| bedboi | bye | 21:48 |
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| tigert | ajturner: let me know if it works out | 21:50 |
| tigert | ajturner: so no luck so far? | 21:50 |
| ajturner | tigert - no | 21:50 |
| tigert | jonnylamb: it was from luis' email | 21:50 |
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| kender | hi | 21:50 |
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| centipede | howdy. Now that my xterm works, getting MC (midnight commander) to run too seems within reach. But I lost it in the wealth of repositories available. Link? | 22:29 |
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| jaek | can you rotate the orientation of the screen? | 22:29 |
| jaek | doesn't X allow that? | 22:29 |
| jaek | xrandr or somethingt | 22:30 |
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| Tak | x generally allows that through the randr extension, which I don't think is available on the 770 or n800 | 22:30 |
| jaek | damn, i want to use evince & opera rotated | 22:30 |
| jaek | lucky for me, at least fbreader implemented it internally | 22:31 |
| tzz | jaek: the answer is no for now. The UI is hard-coded to 800x480 according to Nokia people. | 22:32 |
| booiiing | hey people. | 22:32 |
| booiiing | i am trying to use my old ext2-partition from my rs-mmc | 22:32 |
| booiiing | but the ext2-module won't insmod | 22:32 |
| Tak | it's poor form if evince doesn't implement rotation | 22:33 |
| booiiing | gives me "unknown symbol in module (-1): no such file or directory" | 22:33 |
| booiiing | any ideas? | 22:33 |
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| tomv | hi. I have a problem with a fresh scratchbox setup. after succesfully (appearantly) running maemo-scratchbox-install_3.0.sh, the ./maemo-sdk-install_3.0.sh doesn't want to work (E: Scratchbox version is too old (scratchbox-core ).). any ideas? this is on Debian/sid from the beginning of the year or so. | 22:41 |
| tko | hmm... http://www.limofoundation.org/sf/sfmain/do/home | 22:44 |
| tzz | tomv: you should have Scratchbox 1.x packages installed. | 22:45 |
| tko | you can never have enough platforms | 22:45 |
| tomv | tzz: well, maemo-scratchbox-install did install 1.0.7 as far as I can tell, but it doesn't seem to want to start (login also fails) | 22:45 |
| tomv | (I used the tgz install, btw.) | 22:46 |
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| tzz | tomv: I did a clean install on Etch, it works great from apt-get. | 22:47 |
| tomv | tzz: ok, I'll try that (again)... btw: do I need to have or not have vdso support? | 22:51 |
| tzz | tomv: no idea what VDSO means, sorry. | 22:52 |
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| kulve | CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y | 23:00 |
| kulve | tomv: I had to enable that on 2.6.18 to get sb working. (I didn't really read the backlog, so I don't really know what you were talkin about) | 23:01 |
| tomv | kulve: thanks, I had the impression that it needed to be disabled - I have that and the install script announces a test and doesn't complain. well, I'll build the kernel. | 23:02 |
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| MDK | tko: seen it | 23:08 |
| MDK | tko: so far only the usual high-hopes crap | 23:09 |
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| * shapr boings | 23:24 | |
| * shapr hugs Finland | 23:25 | |
| xan | MDK, it has a DRM Framework, it's revolutionary stuff | 23:25 |
| guerby | shapr, developer code side effect :) | 23:26 |
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| MDK | xan: and this is exactly were gpl3 comes into play | 23:37 |
| |tbb| | mgedmin, jaffa and hap, i figured it out how to get soft poweroff to the top of the menu, just change the priorty from 10 to 100. | 23:37 |
| MDK | (hopefully) | 23:37 |
| |tbb| | jaffa, saves muchos power (AFAICT) | 23:37 |
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| |tbb| | what does afaict | 23:37 |
| |tbb| | means? | 23:38 |
| Disconnect | just OOC is there any advantage to getting a dev code if you already own an n800? (last time i had time to look at it, the answer was "dunno, we'll think about it" | 23:38 |
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| guerby | Disconnect, happened to me, I'm looking for dev who didn't get a code (I have one proposal so far) | 23:42 |
| xan | MDK, what does the gpl3 says about DRM | 23:42 |
| guerby | Disconnect, may be I should create a wiki page on maemo for willing donators | 23:42 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: As Far As I Can Tell | 23:42 |
| Disconnect | so its "how many n800's do you need?" rather than "hey, check out this new app for the navkit"... | 23:42 |
| guerby | Disconnect, I already have a N770 too :) | 23:43 |
| * Disconnect was one of the earliest n800 devs but then work started crashing down around my ears :( but it doesn't matter that much since the codes are only good on a new tablet.. until i brick this one i don't think i need a new one (and yah, still got my 770 too but it may end up being the frontend to the car computer) | 23:44 | |
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| Disconnect | got the backend half-built from when i started it a couple years back (based around a viper board, tons of IO) but it hasn't been assembled in a while | 23:45 |
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| |tbb| | Disconnect: from what u talking about => check out this new app for the navkit | 23:46 |
| Disconnect | |tbb|: if the code could be used on accessories, it'd encourage things like navkit-aware apps (apps drive sales....) | 23:46 |
| Disconnect | if its just for the n800, its a tax on early-adopter devs (eg guerby .. "thanks for being a dev, too bad you bought it already..") | 23:47 |
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| guerby | Disconnect, I don't mind paying 399 euros to Nokia for this tablet (I want to succeed and I don't develop anyway for now...) | 23:48 |
| guerby | s/I want to/I want it to/ | 23:48 |
| Disconnect | yah | 23:49 |
| Veggen | hmm. the soft poweroff is way better than "lock touch screen and keys". | 23:49 |
| guerby | Veggen beware of a bug: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=941 | 23:50 |
| Veggen | does it turn off power to wireless and bluetooth, btw? | 23:50 |
| guerby | Veggen, no wireless stays on (until the specified time out) | 23:50 |
| Disconnect | anyway, i really didn't come here to start a fight :) i'm off, i'll be back this weekend prolly | 23:51 |
| MDK | xan: "gpl3 drm" is your friend ;) | 23:51 |
| MDK | I'm not sure what's the status, it's pretty controversial stuff | 23:52 |
| xan | MDK, I foresee a future of loads of sneakers with bradley talking about gpl3 | 23:52 |
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| MDK | xan: haha | 23:53 |
| MDK | ineed, indeed | 23:53 |
| suihkulokki | iphone ships with LGPL code (safari), but you can't modify the iPhones browser.. | 23:53 |
| MDK | it's actually 'snickers' ;) | 23:53 |
| xan | oh :P | 23:53 |
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| MDK | afaik after the ms vs. novell thing (and possibly some other followers?) gpl3 might have a quicker adoption rate | 23:54 |
| MDK | if gpl3 prevents linking drm code against gpl3 code... | 23:56 |
| hub | suihkulokki: they are just required to provide the source code | 23:56 |
| MDK | than we would be in a funny situation indeed | 23:56 |
| hub | suihkulokki: not necessarily to reflash the device | 23:56 |
| MDK | actually, gpl3 doesn | 23:57 |
| MDK | 't prevent linking agains drm code | 23:57 |
| MDK | but requires you to provide the encryption keys | 23:57 |
| MDK | effectively rendering the drm code useless | 23:57 |
| Tak | yeah, some means of installing the new code | 23:58 |
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