| dannym | hi | 00:00 |
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| dannym | anyone can help me see why http://www.scratchpost.org/patches/test-ui.c , http://www.scratchpost.org/patches/ui.ui doesn't load the ui from the xml file? :) | 00:00 |
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| Molagi | can anyone help me to open one video through xterminal | 00:03 |
| Molagi | with mplayer | 00:04 |
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| zyxul | you guys need to create a gazpacho package for the n800/os2007 | 00:04 |
| dannym | Molagi: sure, what does happen? | 00:04 |
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| Molagi | what was the command for running mplayer through xterm | 00:04 |
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| Molagi | i opened the app and it lags like hell | 00:05 |
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| guru3 | wouldn't it just be 'mplayer' ? | 00:05 |
| Molagi | so running through xterm should make it faster | 00:05 |
| rev | huh? | 00:05 |
| rev | why would it? | 00:05 |
| Molagi | dunno | 00:06 |
| Molagi | ;D | 00:06 |
| Molagi | but why does it lag so much | 00:06 |
| Molagi | cant even play the most poor quality vids | 00:06 |
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| Molagi | anyone else had that problem? | 00:07 |
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| dannym | Molagi: maybe some other process is dragging it down, check "ps aux" | 00:07 |
| dannym | Molagi: no, I watch 25minute videos in high quality on the 770 | 00:07 |
| daniels | Molagi: mplayer won't be useful unless it uses xv | 00:08 |
| Molagi | hmm how do i enable xv | 00:08 |
| * dannym wonders about the mplayer version | 00:08 | |
| Tak | has the packaged mplayer been rebuilt to enable xv yet? | 00:08 |
| Molagi | i downloaded the newest | 00:08 |
| dannym | which one? URL? | 00:09 |
| Molagi | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54 | 00:09 |
| Molagi | mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.7 | 00:09 |
| Molagi | that one | 00:09 |
| Molagi | i only dowloaded that .deb one | 00:10 |
| Molagi | should i download something else? | 00:10 |
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| Molagi | couldnt download those others, they just opened and had some gibberish | 00:10 |
| ssvb | Molagi: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=28230&postcount=275 | 00:10 |
| ssvb | Molagi: an 'official' mplayer package which supports n800 will be probably available on this weekend | 00:11 |
| Molagi | ok | 00:11 |
| Molagi | ill try that one you pasted | 00:11 |
| ssvb | Molagi: but boes mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.7 at least show video properly (albeait slow)? | 00:12 |
| ssvb | s/boes/does | 00:12 |
| Molagi | it looks like watching videos from youtube | 00:12 |
| Molagi | lots of twitching | 00:13 |
| rev | Molagi: well, it only has a 250 MHz CPU... not the fastest on the planet. | 00:13 |
| koen | 330 | 00:13 |
| rev | Molagi: i've seen 1 GHz machines chug on various videos online | 00:14 |
| rev | koen: ? | 00:14 |
| rev | koen: maybe you mean 220 | 00:14 |
| rev | koen: unless you mean the n800 | 00:14 |
| koen | not for the n800 | 00:14 |
| rev | does he have an 800? | 00:14 |
| rev | my bad if so | 00:14 |
| Molagi | yeah but it couldnt even play that nokia n93 vid | 00:14 |
| Molagi | which you have there by default | 00:14 |
| Molagi | yeah i got n800 | 00:15 |
| rev | ah, my bad! | 00:16 |
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| |tbb| | will the openssh from n7 work on the n8? | 00:21 |
| Molagi | what is a good video bitrate | 00:23 |
| Molagi | the max | 00:23 |
| *** qgil changes topic to "Maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ Search: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search/ | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram | New image: http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800 (Win users: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010) | 2007ish release plans for the 770: http://tinyurl.com/yf2xhh" | 00:23 | |
| Molagi | 128 is pretty ugly | 00:24 |
| nelson | Any news on the developer program since I've gotten back from Mumbai? | 00:24 |
| Molagi | and 400 seems to be too much | 00:24 |
| qgil | nelson: see new topic :) | 00:24 |
| qgil | an update should arrive to maemo-developers now... | 00:24 |
| |tbb| | no1 knows? | 00:25 |
| qgil | one comment to the hardcore supporters of #maemo: | 00:26 |
| dannym | Molagi: VIDEO: [DIVX] 320x192 24bpp 20.000 fps 119.3 kbps (14.6 kbyte/s) (for the 770) works great | 00:26 |
| qgil | we want that those of you that here almost 24/7 providing very useful help and good mood receive a discount code as well | 00:26 |
| Molagi | what about n800 | 00:26 |
| shapr | Tak: Summary is btsco is in progress, A2DP may show up as a side-effect. So I'll stick with my ipod shuffle for the time being. It's too bad :-( | 00:27 |
| shapr | Tak: I could always get off my butt and help bluez... | 00:27 |
| shapr | qgil: Too bad I'm only here somedays ;-) | 00:27 |
| qgil | however, it hasn't been easy to retrieve email addresses from nicknames and check dupes with mailing list contributors, project maintainers etc | 00:27 |
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| shapr | Well if I'm on the list, I have 100 euro right here! | 00:28 |
| * shapr boings! | 00:28 | |
| * shapr grins | 00:28 | |
| Molagi | hmm ssvb | 00:28 |
| Molagi | that one you pasted, do you use it? | 00:28 |
| qgil | if you have a look at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram you will se that we plan a 2 wave approach | 00:28 |
| shapr | qgil: Registered nicknames will often give more info from /msg nickserv info <nickname> | 00:28 |
| Molagi | it chugs a little bit | 00:28 |
| ssvb | Molagi: no, I had no chance to test it on n800 yet | 00:29 |
| Molagi | ok | 00:29 |
| qgil | if you are missed in the first wave and you *definitely* think you are one of those regular #maemo supporters please get back to me linking your nickname to your email address + introduction | 00:29 |
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| Molagi | ill try it again, now without the wlan | 00:30 |
| ssvb | Molagi: what kind of video do you try to watch? | 00:30 |
| shapr | I don't know if I count as a regular contributor or not. | 00:30 |
| Molagi | hmm 400x240 and video bitrate 128 | 00:30 |
| shapr | Sure would be nice though :-) | 00:30 |
| qgil | shapr: wait till Monday 22nd, if you are not listed help us decide | 00:30 |
| shapr | ok, sounds good to me. | 00:31 |
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| qgil | we just want to avoid received thousends of requests (as it might well happen if we open the call too much - please understand this little detail) | 00:31 |
| shapr | Yup, I understand. | 00:31 |
| ssvb | Molagi: it should be easy to handle, even with 400kbps bitrate (at least on nokia 770) | 00:31 |
| Molagi | yeah, im not sure whats wrong | 00:31 |
| shapr | I also understand that my own long term selfish desires will be best fulfilled if the most active contributors get N800s early on! | 00:31 |
| shapr | Because my long term selfish desire is to get the best N800 software that a community can build. | 00:32 |
| ssvb | Molagi: do you try to stream it via wifi or play locally? | 00:32 |
| Molagi | locally | 00:32 |
| qgil | anyone at maemo-developers has received my post? | 00:32 |
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| arnnnn | can I install evince on nokia n800 yet ? | 00:33 |
| ssvb | Molagi: make sure that it uses xv for video output, also standard video mplayer probably should run as good as mplayer (or probably even better) for mpeg4 | 00:33 |
| qgil | hum, "service unavailable"? need to check... | 00:33 |
| Molagi | ssvb well i downloaded that mplayer you pasted | 00:34 |
| tzz | ssvb: btw, thanks for all the work on mplayer, it's a great package | 00:34 |
| arnnnn | I tried installing evince on nokia n800 and I got error message 'application not compatible' | 00:34 |
| ssvb | Molagi: I guess standard n800 video player now uses ffmpeg running on ARM core for mpeg4 video | 00:35 |
| arnnnn | which one will make nokia n800 battery last longer? charge it frequently or charge it only when it's empty ? | 00:35 |
| Molagi | k | 00:35 |
| Molagi | tzz you use that ssvb's package? | 00:36 |
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| Molagi | with n800? | 00:36 |
| qgil | hum, apparently the maemo-developers is down? | 00:36 |
| shapr | rev: btw, STM is not completely free, have you ever used monads to encapsulate effects? | 00:36 |
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| qgil | time to sleep then, I guess | 00:37 |
| ssvb | Molagi: if you run mplayer in terminal, it should display a lot of information about video and also the type of output driver that is used, it is very important that xv is used (it might fallback to some other driver for some reason) | 00:37 |
| c0ffee | shapr, nothing new | 00:37 |
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| Molagi | ssvb hmm what command | 00:38 |
| Molagi | is it in terminal | 00:38 |
| ssvb | mplayer yourvideo.avi | 00:38 |
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| ssvb | or 'mplayer -vo xv yourvideo.avi' to force the use of xv | 00:39 |
| shapr | c0ffee: Did you see that bluetooth headset thread already? | 00:39 |
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| Molagi | ok | 00:40 |
| c0ffee | shapr, is there a new one? | 00:40 |
| c0ffee | shapr, or did i miss something? | 00:40 |
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| Molagi | ill try that | 00:40 |
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| |tbb| | i wont install to many packages which are not tested, if i here some n800 went dead after installing something | 00:41 |
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| shapr | c0ffee: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/7030 | 00:43 |
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| c0ffee | wellllll | 00:43 |
| c0ffee | the most interesting posts are from this Jochen guy | 00:43 |
| c0ffee | and that happens to be me :) | 00:43 |
| shapr | haha | 00:44 |
| c0ffee | now do i get a discount code? | 00:44 |
| * shapr grins | 00:44 | |
| c0ffee | or a bt headset capable firmware | 00:44 |
| sxpert | mplayer -playlist http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/makeASX.php?title=www.king5.com/kiraw_011607portlandhomevid.wmv | 00:44 |
| c0ffee | or both | 00:44 |
| shapr | I'm glad the N800 is using a different bluetooth chip, the TI chip wasn't well know in the OSS community. | 00:45 |
| c0ffee | oh | 00:45 |
| c0ffee | it's used in a lot of handhelds | 00:45 |
| c0ffee | but they all come with working windows driver | 00:45 |
| c0ffee | which makes it easier to add linux support | 00:45 |
| c0ffee | you can reverse engineer them | 00:45 |
| c0ffee | with the maemo platform it's more difficult | 00:46 |
| c0ffee | either you already have a linux support, or there's nothing | 00:46 |
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| shapr | And BlueCore4 seems to have some support in bluez | 00:47 |
| c0ffee | yes | 00:47 |
| shapr | So I'm happier about that. | 00:47 |
| |tbb| | any1 able 2 port gpsd for os7? | 00:47 |
| c0ffee | but it would be great to have preliminary bt headset support on the 770 | 00:48 |
| c0ffee | i don't like this 'oh, we know how it works, the bluez guy knows how it works, we'll let you know when it's done, please don't ask' stuff | 00:48 |
| shapr | Yeah, I don't like that either. | 00:48 |
| shapr | I feel pretty shut out. | 00:48 |
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| shapr | I want access to the code the way it is now, at least I can check for bugs, fix small bugs, and help in other ways. | 00:49 |
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| c0ffee | well | 00:49 |
| c0ffee | i can understand that it's not possible to disclose 3rd party stuff easily | 00:49 |
| shapr | Me too, but it still gets on my nerves. | 00:50 |
| shapr | I want to help! | 00:50 |
| c0ffee | it's probably a lightrope walk between legal and not annoying the opensource comunity | 00:50 |
| c0ffee | he | 00:50 |
| shapr | yeah | 00:51 |
| c0ffee | i want a n800 for 100 euro | 00:51 |
| shapr | me too | 00:51 |
| shapr | But I have a 770, so... | 00:51 |
| shapr | if someone is doing lots to improve the N800 code, they deserve one more than I do. | 00:51 |
| Molagi | cant get this shit working, ill continue tomorrow | 00:51 |
| shapr | I have a great idea. Let's all sign NDAs, and then we can all work on the code, but not tell each other about it. | 00:52 |
| c0ffee | i'm too long in this opensource stuff for illusions of good will and higher ideals :) | 00:52 |
| c0ffee | if i have a n800 i probably will fix stuff that annoys me | 00:52 |
| shapr | I've been doing open source for many years, but I still have higher ideals. | 00:52 |
| c0ffee | if not, i'll probably stick to my 770 and fix stuff there | 00:52 |
| Molagi | ssvb should n800 be able to run 400x240 with 430 video bitrate? | 00:52 |
| shapr | Of course, I'm still poor too... even at age 35. | 00:53 |
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| Blackhold__ | hello | 00:53 |
| c0ffee | old phart :) | 00:53 |
| c0ffee | anyway | 00:53 |
| ssvb | Molagi: most likely it should | 00:53 |
| Blackhold__ | I have build a N800 today :) | 00:53 |
| Blackhold__ | but I'm trying to install osso-xterm | 00:53 |
| c0ffee | time to sleep | 00:53 |
| Molagi | ok | 00:53 |
| Blackhold__ | but says that needs a library | 00:53 |
| shapr | c0ffee: old and idealistic :-) | 00:53 |
| Blackhold__ | libxau0 | 00:54 |
| Blackhold__ | but I cannot find it | 00:54 |
| arnnnn | will someone make evince work for n800 please.., it's been tough reading pdf without bookmarks | 00:54 |
| c0ffee | my computer related ideals are about coding style and elagance mainly | 00:54 |
| shapr | tried Haskell? :-) | 00:54 |
| c0ffee | elegance even | 00:54 |
| c0ffee | yes | 00:54 |
| c0ffee | and scheme | 00:54 |
| shapr | Haskell is my kind of elegance. | 00:54 |
| c0ffee | and brainfuck, whitespace, intercal | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | and c(++) sharp java | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | and various asm styles | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | been there, done that | 00:55 |
| shapr | Have you tried prototype languages like Self or Cecil? Or visual languages like Aardappel? Oh, I like purely functional stack based languages like Joy too | 00:55 |
| c0ffee | not those, no :) | 00:56 |
| c0ffee | stack based, yes. visual too | 00:56 |
| Blackhold__ | !libxau0 | 00:56 |
| shapr | Lately I'm interested in efficient programming on the Nokia tablets, and I think it'd be spoken code that would display graphically. | 00:56 |
| c0ffee | i've also been forced to use "object Z/CSP" | 00:56 |
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| shapr | I think it would look like Aardappel, and you'd drag around branches and speak new code onto the selected spot. | 00:57 |
| c0ffee | that's some high level formal specification language, which best "feature" is that it cannot be synthezied | 00:57 |
| c0ffee | modula the spelling | 00:57 |
| c0ffee | the wine was good btw | 00:57 |
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| c0ffee | and now i sleep | 00:57 |
| c0ffee | g'n8 | 00:57 |
| shapr | g'nite | 00:57 |
| shapr | c0ffee: When you come back, check out - http://www.scannedinavian.com/hope/entry/39 | 00:58 |
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| lardman|home | Do the 770 and n800 have the same DSP chip? | 01:05 |
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| Blackhold__ | please help with libxau0 | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | Does anyone have a copy of dmesg from the n800 (I'm interested to know what audio hw the DSP is connected to) | 01:07 |
| Blackhold__ | where I can download for system of N800? | 01:08 |
| Blackhold__ | lardman, how could you install osso-xterm to n800? | 01:08 |
| lardman|home | Blackhold__: No idea, I don't have one I'm afraid | 01:09 |
| lardman|home | Blackhold__: Have you looked on internettablettalk.com? | 01:09 |
| Blackhold__ | no | 01:09 |
| lardman|home | Might be worth a look & search of the forums | 01:09 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 01:10 |
| Blackhold__ | ok thnks | 01:10 |
| s-ndh-c | isnt xterm in the maemo repos? | 01:10 |
| tigert | Blackhold__: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm | 01:10 |
| s-ndh-c | hm | 01:10 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 01:10 |
| tigert | try the repository with "bora" as distro name | 01:10 |
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| shapr | lardman|home: nope | 01:10 |
| tigert | I think inz has one for bora too | 01:10 |
| tigert | ie, swap mistral with bora | 01:10 |
| shapr | lardman|home: read http://tinyurl.com/yf2xhh | 01:11 |
| shapr | It doesn't say which chip, but it does say they have different chips. | 01:11 |
| s-ndh-c | still trying to figure out howto build packages | 01:12 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 01:12 |
| lardman|home | shapr: Yes, I saw that, not sure though. The Ti pages show both OMAPs as having TMS320C55x DSPs, which is why I wondered | 01:13 |
| Blackhold__ | tigert yes, but it misses a lib that I cannot found :( | 01:14 |
| Blackhold__ | the libxau0 | 01:14 |
| Blackhold__ | for the 3.0 version | 01:14 |
| Blackhold__ | what happens if I install debian repository library? | 01:14 |
| s-ndh-c | try it? | 01:15 |
| lardman|home | Blackhold__: you could just force the installation. I'm not sure why it has a dep on the X Authorisation protocol lib. | 01:15 |
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| sp3000 | oh, wow, that xterm update | 01:20 |
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| sp3000 | no more tilde on home key :D | 01:21 |
| * sp3000 dances | 01:21 | |
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| tigert | also reboot once | 01:23 |
| tigert | it installs bitstream vera | 01:23 |
| tigert | much nicer than the courier | 01:23 |
| sp3000 | yes ) | 01:23 |
| Blackhold__ | ok | 01:23 |
| tigert | but hmm. I could install it. weird | 01:24 |
| Blackhold__ | I'm installing the xterm at n800 ::) | 01:24 |
| tigert | ask inz when he gets around tomorrow | 01:24 |
| sp3000 | aaaaahhhh my eyes | 01:24 |
| guerby | hmmm multiplayer SDL GPL game : http://smw.72dpiarmy.com/ | 01:24 |
| * tigert needs to sleep, later | 01:24 | |
| sp3000 | s/)/:)/ | 01:24 |
| Blackhold__ | ooo :( | 01:24 |
| Blackhold__ | problem opening the terminal | 01:24 |
| guerby | Super Mario War is a Super Mario multiplayer game. | 01:25 |
| guerby | The goal is to stomp as many other Marios as possible to win the game. | 01:25 |
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| sp3000 | now if only I had a real grep | 01:25 |
| sp3000 | -r eal especially :) | 01:26 |
| Blackhold__ | well | 01:28 |
| Blackhold__ | I go to sleep | 01:28 |
| Blackhold__ | :) | 01:28 |
| Blackhold__ | night! | 01:28 |
| lardman|home | Not got it working? | 01:28 |
| Blackhold__ | no | 01:28 |
| Blackhold__ | tomorrow I'll try | 01:28 |
| Blackhold__ | I have to go sleep | 01:28 |
| lardman|home | cool, night night | 01:28 |
| Blackhold__ | tomorrow a server has to go work :( | 01:29 |
| s-ndh-c | still dont understand how to build a package | 01:29 |
| Blackhold__ | I'll dream with my new toon :) | 01:29 |
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| lardman|home | sp3000: Could you grep dmesg for occurances of aic23 please? | 01:30 |
| lardman|home | sp3000: I'm assuming you have an N800 | 01:30 |
| sp3000 | lardman|home: sorry, too long since boot, nothing interesting in dmesg atm | 01:32 |
| lardman|home | sp3000: If you try playing a song/video/etc. it will power up the codec, then it might appear | 01:33 |
| sp3000 | lardman|home: not seeingg any aic w/ the media I have | 01:37 |
| lardman|home | sp3000: Not to worry, thanks for looking | 01:38 |
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| Pio | are there any free upnp servers that actually work with canola? :) | 01:56 |
| tzz | pio: gmediaserver works, fuppes is supposed to work | 01:59 |
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| Pio | i never had any luck with either | 01:59 |
| tzz | anyone using MUD yet? I'm having issues... | 01:59 |
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| tzz | pio: it may be a problem with your network, does anything else detect the UPnP server? | 02:00 |
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| Pio | besides canola? | 02:00 |
| Pio | i dont have any other upnp clients | 02:00 |
| tzz | pio: do a google search, there are plenty. Have you edited /etc/default/gmediaserver already? | 02:01 |
| shapr | There's the nokia media player that's not canola. | 02:01 |
| shapr | It's also a UPnP client. | 02:01 |
| Pio | oh, interesting | 02:01 |
| Pio | i never did try that | 02:01 |
| Pio | the nokia player | 02:01 |
| shapr | I've gotten it to work with gmediaserver on my lan. | 02:01 |
| tzz | pio: /etc/default/gmediaserver is for Debian btw, your OS may be different | 02:02 |
| Pio | i think i messed with gmediaserver's config a little.. it was a week ago or so i played with that | 02:02 |
| Pio | yeah .. was trying on gentoo before.. | 02:02 |
| tzz | shapr: it works, I've used it. There was a bug in earlier releases that would limit the number of files to 30 or so. | 02:02 |
| Pio | are there certain edits you are known to have to make to make canola work with it? | 02:02 |
| tzz | pio: no, it just works. Make sure it's running, your options should be --file-types=mp3,m4a,unknown,ogg,wma,wav,pls,m3u --friendly-name=heechee -v4 --output=/var/tmp/gmediaserver.log | 02:03 |
| tzz | pio: and make sure you give it a valid media directory (but it will tell you in the log if you don't) | 02:03 |
| shapr | Pio: One caveat, I ran gmediaserver on 120gb of music files and it took a *long* time to read all those tags. I suggest starting with a smaller sample :-) | 02:03 |
| s-ndh-c | ushare worked much better for me | 02:04 |
| s-ndh-c | than gmediaserver | 02:04 |
| Pio | yeah i just put in in a directory with like 15 AVIs to test | 02:04 |
| wasabi_ | I'd sure like a good VPN client for the n770/800... | 02:04 |
| wasabi_ | WIth a UI. | 02:04 |
| Pio | ushare didnt work for me at all either.. heh | 02:04 |
| tzz | shapr: heh yes, my mp3 stash is over 400 GB now, takes about 45 minutes to load on an old P4 :) | 02:04 |
| Pio | i think i was trying with the mistral canola, not scirocco like i have now.. *shrug* maybe thats a factor too | 02:04 |
| tzz | pio: it shouldn't matter, they've only released one version AFAIK | 02:05 |
| Pio | ah | 02:05 |
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| tzz | so no one is using MUD yet. I'll ping Jaffa when he comes around tomorrow... | 02:06 |
| tzz | good night all | 02:06 |
| * shapr waves | 02:06 | |
| s-ndh-c | damn, still dont managed to build a debian package | 02:08 |
| s-ndh-c | iam too stupid as it seems | 02:08 |
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| s-ndh-c | maybe i just need to dig deeper into that, never done that before | 02:08 |
| Pio | gmediaserver is just claims it has no files to serve when i select it's server instance in canola.. even though the logs clearly indicate it indexed a bunch of files | 02:08 |
| s-ndh-c | Pio: i think the files first become availiable if all files have been indexed | 02:09 |
| s-ndh-c | maybe you have to wait some minuites | 02:09 |
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| Pio | they have been | 02:10 |
| Pio | it definitely finished indexing | 02:10 |
| lardman|home | night all | 02:14 |
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| Pio | hmm looks like theres a newer libupnp out than what i was trying ushare before with, guess ill give it another go with the new libupnp | 02:19 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | wow | 02:27 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | Xchat for maemo is cool | 02:27 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | nn ppl. | 02:30 |
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| s-ndh-c_ | Cya | 02:31 |
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| Pio | with ushare i can at least see the file listings but i cant access any of the files.. be they music, video, or picture | 02:34 |
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| Pio | oh there.. got one of the videos to sort of play.. neat | 02:35 |
| Pio | hmm music works seemingly too | 02:38 |
| Pio | well thats better than any other setup i've tried yet, cool | 02:38 |
| Tak | hmm | 02:40 |
| Tak | the tabs in my hildon labels seem strangely small | 02:40 |
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| s-ndh-c | Pio: it only worked using ushare for me | 02:42 |
| s-ndh-c | gmediaserver doesnt seem to work for me | 02:42 |
| Pio | yeah.. me either | 02:42 |
| Pio | at all | 02:42 |
| s-ndh-c | i think ushare is better anyways | 02:43 |
| s-ndh-c | as it supports videos too | 02:43 |
| s-ndh-c | u think gmediaserver doesnt | 02:43 |
| Pio | ushare is a little weird.. like sometimes it will seemingly get 'hung up' and take a long time to answer any new requests that get thrown at the server | 02:43 |
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| Pio | maybe thats just a bandwidth thing, like its saturated from the music stream, so the browsing is slower | 02:43 |
| Pio | i dunno | 02:43 |
| s-ndh-c | hm worked well for me, only of my shares is empty, have to figure out why | 02:43 |
| Pio | but yeah pretty cool that it works at all | 02:44 |
| s-ndh-c | +one | 02:44 |
| Pio | i think upgrading my libupnp helped a bit | 02:44 |
| s-ndh-c | but i only tried to access ushare via media streamer, didnt install this canola thing | 02:45 |
| Pio | ah | 02:46 |
| s-ndh-c | i think iam gona give canola a try, the video looks great | 02:46 |
| Pio | yeah its a nice interface | 02:46 |
| Pio | i'll have to try the media streamer, havent tried it yet heh | 02:46 |
| s-ndh-c | and i like that thumb input method, much easier than having to click on litle buttons with the stylus all the time | 02:47 |
| s-ndh-c | but i guess the screen will look horrible after that, atleast if you have much fat on your fingers | 02:48 |
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| Tybstar | hey, is 1.2006.26-8 newer than 2.2006.39-14, as far as 770 images go? | 02:53 |
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| sp3000 | bigger numbers, yeah | 02:54 |
| Tybstar | wait, so 2.2006.39-14 is newer? | 02:54 |
| s-ndh-c | yeah | 02:54 |
| sp3000 | oh | 02:54 |
| Tybstar | OK, thanks : | 02:54 |
| Tybstar | :) | 02:54 |
| sp3000 | yeah :) | 02:54 |
| s-ndh-c | i think 2.2006.39-14 is scirocco and the other one is mistral | 02:55 |
| Tybstar | ah | 02:55 |
| Tybstar | ok | 02:55 |
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| s-ndh-c | or better said its the image that is compatible to the scirocco sdk and the other one is to mistral | 02:57 |
| sp3000 | "The version numbering of the software update e.g. 1.2006.26-8 follows the practice [release number].[OS Edition year].[week].[release candidate]." http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/softwareupdate/1,8461,770,00.html#tips | 02:58 |
| Tybstar | ah, great | 02:58 |
| Tybstar | that makes sense now. i'll just ignore the week and rel candidate and pay attention to release number and year. | 02:58 |
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| Pio | anyone have pet mencoder/transcode settings for encoding video for the nokia? | 03:18 |
| Pio | mencoder $input -o $output -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=96 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:autoaspect:vbitrate=500 -vf scale=288:160 -ffourcc DIVX -idx | 03:18 |
| Pio | ^^ ripped that out of some script on the wiki | 03:18 |
| Pio | seems to work passably | 03:19 |
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| Tak | I use http://rafb.net/p/XGpcOV78.html | 03:22 |
| Pio | cool | 03:23 |
| Pio | that scaling looks smarter | 03:24 |
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| cesman | Pio: http://www.bleb.org/software/770/ | 03:26 |
| cesman | 770-encode.pl | 03:26 |
| Pio | hmm also cool | 03:28 |
| * Pio gets | 03:28 | |
| djbclark | After reflashing my n800 a number of times I'm in a state where memory cards are not being recognized... anyone see that before/have any suggestions? | 03:31 |
| daniels | you haven't left the usb connected? | 03:32 |
| djbclark | nope, alo tried both slots, rebooting, etc | 03:35 |
| obra | djbclark:do the memory cards work in other devices? | 03:36 |
| djbclark | Also tried a second card, verified cards are working in another device etc | 03:36 |
| djbclark | Is it just me, or are these devices esp. easy to FUBAR? | 03:39 |
| Tak | do you have the power cable disconnected while rebooting? | 03:43 |
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| djbclark | yep | 03:49 |
| djbclark | also did the remove/reinsert battery thing | 03:49 |
| djbclark | I guess I could always go manually set up the application manager to get osso-terminal again and see what is happening via dmesg if there isn't a better alternative. | 03:50 |
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| arnnn | is it possible to reassign button for xpdf..? | 04:00 |
| arnnn | I want to go to the next page on 200% zoom full screen mode by using only 1 button hit if possible | 04:02 |
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| shapr | n | 04:07 |
| shapr | If you mean xpdf on standard linux. | 04:07 |
| shapr | For gv it's the f key | 04:07 |
| arnnn | I mean xpdf in nokia n800... | 04:08 |
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| arnnn | and can the auto dim setting be set to 'never'..? | 04:16 |
| shapr | I think 5min and 2min are the max settings. | 04:20 |
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| arnnn | yeah... | 04:24 |
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| arnnn | I always have to knock the screen when it dims out while I'm reading a pdf slowly | 04:25 |
| jtra | anybody keen to test my new game for 770? http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/togglegame.html | 04:26 |
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| jtra | well, now I'm going to sleep, but I will read responses after in the morning | 04:28 |
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| jtokash | Any word on the new version of Canola yet? | 04:35 |
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| Tybstar | ohhhh, scorched earth for 770. i'm never putting this thing down again. ;) | 04:56 |
| jacques | that like risk? | 04:57 |
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| Tybstar | nah | 05:01 |
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| jtokash | anyone know the default root pass for the n800? | 05:05 |
| jtokash | sorry - it's the same as the 770's 'rootme' | 05:06 |
| cesman | cool | 05:06 |
| cesman | now, I won't have to ask when I need it later :) | 05:07 |
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| Tak | anybody with an N800 got a minute to help me test? | 05:28 |
| cesman | sure if I can | 05:29 |
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| Tak | could you install xmaeme 0.7 and xmame-0.58.1-bora1 from http://garage.maemo.org/projects/xmame ? | 05:30 |
| cesman | ohh! | 05:30 |
| cesman | xmaeme | 05:31 |
| cesman | hehehe | 05:31 |
| Tak | ? | 05:31 |
| cesman | I like the name | 05:31 |
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| cesman | give me a few | 05:31 |
| cesman | I have roms | 05:31 |
| cesman | for .107 and .86 | 05:31 |
| cesman | whih should I try? | 05:32 |
| cesman | d\or do you just want me to install? | 05:32 |
| Tak | try some lightish-weight rom, if you would | 05:32 |
| jacques | not MK3? ;-) | 05:33 |
| Tak | maybe mk3 if ms pacman passes :-P | 05:33 |
| cesman | lol | 05:33 |
| * jacques wants galaga88 | 05:34 | |
| cesman | downloading | 05:34 |
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| cesman | xmame successfully installed | 05:37 |
| Tak | good | 05:37 |
| Tak | xmaeme too? | 05:37 |
| cesman | unable to install. Incompatible appliation package | 05:37 |
| Tak | odd | 05:38 |
| cesman | doh! | 05:38 |
| cesman | clicked on wrong link... | 05:38 |
| cesman | good to go! | 05:38 |
| Tak | ok, there should be an entry for xmaeme in your Extras menu | 05:39 |
| cesman | yes! | 05:39 |
| cesman | roms are on dvd | 05:39 |
| Tak | hm | 05:39 |
| cesman | will take me a few to fine a light one... | 05:39 |
| cesman | mrdo! | 05:39 |
| Tak | heh, that should work | 05:39 |
| cesman | btw:nice frontend! | 05:41 |
| Tak | eh, it's not much, but it's better than xterm ;-) | 05:41 |
| cesman | :D | 05:41 |
| Tak | maybe if they ever release the canola source I'll try to integrate there | 05:42 |
| cesman | oh nice! | 05:45 |
| cesman | where should I put the rom? | 05:45 |
| cesman | doesn't matter? | 05:45 |
| Tak | it looks by default in /media/mmc1/roms | 05:45 |
| Tak | but you can browse to it wherever | 05:46 |
| cesman | nice! | 05:48 |
| cesman | loaded 1942 | 05:48 |
| Tak | is it playable? is the sound smooth? | 05:49 |
| cesman | no sound | 05:49 |
| cesman | video looks good and smooth! | 05:50 |
| Tak | hmm | 05:50 |
| cesman | what are the keys? | 05:50 |
| Tak | does n800 not have esd? | 05:50 |
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| Tak | insert coin: fullscreen, p1 start: dpad center button1: esc button2: menu | 05:51 |
| Tak | zoom in to configure keys | 05:51 |
| cesman | nope | 05:51 |
| cesman | -zoom is skip framerate | 05:52 |
| Tak | try +zoom | 05:52 |
| cesman | fullscreen isn't doing anything | 05:52 |
| cesman | + 'select position to load from' | 05:52 |
| Tak | hm, something's goofy | 05:52 |
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| Tak | if it's not seeing the custom keybindings, then esc should kill it | 05:55 |
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| cesman | it does | 05:55 |
| Tak | does ~/.xmame/cfg/default.cfg exist? | 05:55 |
| cesman | yes | 05:59 |
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| Tak | that's...hmm | 06:00 |
| cesman | is default suppose to me a simple text file? | 06:00 |
| cesman | if so, it is not | 06:01 |
| Tak | no, it's packed binary :-( | 06:03 |
| Tak | so what does n800 have for audio? just sdl and gst? | 06:04 |
| cesman | no know exactly | 06:05 |
| cesman | I just got it a fwe days ago... | 06:05 |
| cesman | never had a n770 | 06:05 |
| Tak | I see | 06:06 |
| Tak | thanks for your time and patience | 06:06 |
| cesman | you're welcome | 06:07 |
| cesman | and thank you | 06:08 |
| * Tak is building a new package with sdl audio and a hopefull non-b0rk config file | 06:08 | |
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| Arrow | Hi all | 06:15 |
| Tak | hello | 06:15 |
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| cesman | hello | 06:15 |
| Arrow | Does anyone know if the N800 SD slots support SDIO? | 06:16 |
| Arrow | Tak hey | 06:16 |
| Arrow | cesman hi | 06:16 |
| Tak | -bora2 at garage if you're not tired of testing ;-) | 06:16 |
| Tak | sorry, I don't know | 06:17 |
| * Arrow hopes so... | 06:17 | |
| Arrow | Oh and I'm going to need a extra rear case cover to hack on :) | 06:17 |
| Arrow | guess I'll have to beg someone at Nikia for it :) | 06:18 |
| Arrow | Nokia | 06:18 |
| cesman | shit, it is after 8 already... | 06:21 |
| * cesman has an early morning | 06:21 | |
| * Arrow hopes cesman makes it | 06:21 | |
| cesman | :) | 06:22 |
| * cesman starts to readt ready for the day ahead... | 06:22 | |
| Arrow | bora2? | 06:24 |
| Tak | I'm trying to test xmame configurations w/o a device | 06:25 |
| * Arrow nods | 06:25 | |
| cesman | Tak: I'll be up for at least another 1 hr and a half | 06:25 |
| Tak | well, -bora2 is up if you're up for it | 06:26 |
| Tak | if not, that's totally ok | 06:26 |
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| Arrow | bora says MMC card support...hmmmm | 06:29 |
| Arrow | that implys a full featured controller...which it shoud be anyway by default :) | 06:30 |
| * Arrow looks at garage | 06:36 | |
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| klaatu | So does the n800 support 4GB SD cards? (trying to order a SD card for my new n800) | 06:37 |
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| daniels | klaatu: only non-sdhc ones | 06:38 |
| * Arrow notes that partly answers his earlier SD interface question :) | 06:40 | |
| klaatu | so a non-sdhc 4G card will work? | 06:49 |
| daniels | yeah | 06:51 |
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| gpd | ls | 07:02 |
| gpd | err -- ya. nice one gpd. what news from tablet land? | 07:02 |
| cesman | hey gpd | 07:05 |
| * Arrow buys his at CompUSA Sat.... | 07:05 | |
| Arrow | nice that they had the product on the shelf at announce :) | 07:06 |
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| jtokash | arrow, if you are able to get an extra rear case and can get more, let me konw | 07:10 |
| jtokash | I'd pay dozens of dollars for one | 07:10 |
| jtokash | maybe just 2 dozen | 07:10 |
| cesman | can I install a package w/ apt-get and have it ignore deps? | 07:12 |
| nelson | No. | 07:12 |
| cesman | doh! | 07:12 |
| Pio | you could repackage it though right? | 07:12 |
| Pio | change the dependencies | 07:12 |
| cesman | yeah, suppose I can | 07:13 |
| cesman | thanks for the idea | 07:13 |
| * Arrow nods | 07:13 | |
| cesman | not like I have not done that before :) | 07:13 |
| Arrow | It's nice you have that internal SD slot....you can usit as an interface and hack the back case .. | 07:14 |
| Arrow | use it even | 07:15 |
| cesman | anyone know what repo flite is in? | 07:17 |
| Arrow | guess the 'right' thing to do is get add on hardware that is bluetooth enabled and network it that way | 07:17 |
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| gpd | cesman: what package do you want to install without deps? | 07:28 |
| cesman | flite | 07:30 |
| cesman | so I an have audio w/ maemo mapper | 07:31 |
| cesman | nice! | 07:37 |
| cesman | got ti working | 07:37 |
| cesman | gpd: want to test? | 07:41 |
| gpd | sure -- what exactly? | 07:41 |
| cesman | or anyone that wants flite | 07:41 |
| gpd | did you setup a scratchbox? | 07:42 |
| gpd | is flite required for kismet? | 07:42 |
| cesman | scratchbox? | 07:42 |
| cesman | I don't know | 07:42 |
| cesman | flite will give you audio w/ maemo mapper | 07:42 |
| gpd | why would you want audio with maemo mapper? | 07:42 |
| cesman | "turn right" | 07:43 |
| gpd | ah -- i see | 07:43 |
| cesman | well, whomever wants it... | 07:43 |
| gpd | not played with directions as yet | 07:43 |
| cesman | ftp://knoppmyth.net/flite_1.3_armel.deb | 07:43 |
| * gpd installs | 07:44 | |
| gpd | cesman: what next? setup some route in maemo mapper? | 07:46 |
| cesman | test flite | 07:46 |
| gpd | how / where / who / how? | 07:46 |
| cesman | flite -t "open source rules" | 07:46 |
| cesman | I should be able to test w/ friends gps tomorrow | 07:47 |
| cesman | speakign of which... | 07:47 |
| * cesman needs to move away from keyboard... | 07:47 | |
| * gpd laughts out loud | 07:48 | |
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| cesman | I take it that works? | 07:49 |
| gpd | yes -- endless fun | 07:49 |
| gpd | any other 'voices' ? | 07:49 |
| cesman | I don't know | 07:49 |
| cesman | first go at it... | 07:49 |
| cesman | just wanted to share | 07:49 |
| gpd | absolutely classic :) | 07:52 |
| cesman | funny, flite sounds almost like me when I say my girlfriends name | 07:56 |
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| * gpd grumbles that maemo garage does not provide source debs for recompilation | 08:06 | |
| gpd | maemochrom dependds python2.4 -- and will not install if python2.5 is installed | 08:06 |
| klaatu | I'm about to order a 4G SD card for my new n800 and I wanted to make sure that someone has actually gotten a 4gb card to work (non SDHC) | 08:08 |
| gpd | klaatu: you can check with the nokia people when they awake -- but i have heard several times what daniels told you - how do you know this card is non SDHC? | 08:09 |
| klaatu | Transcend sells two different cards, one 4GB SDHC and one that is not labeled as such | 08:10 |
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| daniels | gpd: there's no real way to check | 08:10 |
| daniels | gpd: if the packaging doesn't tell you, you just have to guess | 08:10 |
| klaatu | I looked over the datasheet and it didn't seem to be SDHC | 08:11 |
| gpd | newegg.com also has two categories -- | 08:11 |
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| klaatu | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820208086 | 08:11 |
| gpd | wow $42! for 4G! | 08:12 |
| klaatu | the sdhc 4gb card is 45 | 08:12 |
| * gpd remembers paying $120 for 64Meg - back in the day | 08:12 | |
| klaatu | I won't tell you how much I paid for 2x 60MB and 2x90MB drives for my BBS (what the hell is that) back in the stone age | 08:13 |
| gpd | you're right -- that 64M SD card is actually only about 6/7 years old | 08:15 |
| gpd | not so sure about the reviews on that card--- pros: price. | 08:16 |
| gpd | cons: slow, corrupt data... | 08:16 |
| gpd | hmm. | 08:16 |
| jacques | isn't that always the way. | 08:16 |
| klaatu | the 'ultra speed' 4GB card is $60+$5 | 08:19 |
| * cesman recalls his first memory upgrade.... | 08:20 | |
| cesman | 128k to 512k | 08:21 |
| cesman | big K that is... | 08:21 |
| jacques | my first machine had 5kB | 08:22 |
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| klaatu | so the faster card is only useful if the n800 can actually run the SD clock at 48mhz | 08:26 |
| jacques | and if you intend to use it in a USB card reader I suppose | 08:27 |
| klaatu | I doubt I'll ever take the card out of the n800 | 08:28 |
| gpd | klaatu: what do you plan to put on the card? | 08:29 |
| klaatu | audio, video, a few network traces, nothing that would need to be fast (unless I want to swap to the card) | 08:31 |
| klaatu | I ordered the slower card, we'll see what happens | 08:33 |
| gpd | presumably the 8G cards are a long way away... | 08:34 |
| jacques | will there ever be non-sdhc 8gB cards? | 08:34 |
| * cesman has 2 2 gigs | 08:34 | |
| jacques | me too | 08:34 |
| gpd | so you threw away the HUGE 128 card that came with the n800? | 08:35 |
| jacques | no, it's so cute, I made a keychain out of it | 08:35 |
| jacques | (not really) | 08:36 |
| gpd | hehe - nice one | 08:36 |
| klaatu | old dimms make greate keychains... | 08:36 |
| klaatu | the n800 headphones are strange (the wire for one ear is shorter then the other) | 08:37 |
| jacques | it's for your lower ear, duh. | 08:38 |
| jacques | hmm, you're right, one is a *lot* longer than the other | 08:40 |
| jacques | weird. | 08:40 |
| obra | right. ti's designed to hang straight down on one side and then wrap to the other sides | 08:40 |
| klaatu | yeah, but it looks weird and I gues wire is very expensive... | 08:41 |
| jacques | if you put the long wire behind your head it almost makes sense | 08:42 |
| obra | I presume that it's so the mic hangs close to your mouth | 08:42 |
| obra | "nokia has some experience with this" ;) | 08:42 |
| jacques | heh | 08:42 |
| obra | What's the state of the art for maemo wifi stumblers? | 08:42 |
| klaatu | oh, I didn't notice that was a mic... | 08:42 |
| obra | look at the plug | 08:43 |
| obra | It has too many rings | 08:43 |
| jacques | what's the button for? do you have to press to talk? | 08:43 |
| klaatu | or answer? | 08:43 |
| jacques | oh yeah :-) | 08:43 |
| jacques | I got my N800 today and I thought the camera was the stylus | 08:44 |
| jacques | boy was I surprised | 08:44 |
| obra | it's presumably "pickup" and also "mute" | 08:44 |
| klaatu | the problem with the camera (other then quality) is that it doesn't point 'in' enough so if you look at the screen you aren't centered in the view | 08:50 |
| tigert | jaques: i think te user manual explains what the button does :) | 08:51 |
| klaatu | read the manual, never... | 08:51 |
| tigert | i think it disconnects call like on phones | 08:51 |
| tigert | and answers if you get one | 08:52 |
| tigert | but i am not sure either ;) | 08:52 |
| inz | klaatu, i agree, it's definitely a design flaw | 09:00 |
| inz | klaatu, i wondered that the first time i popped out the camers | 09:01 |
| jacques | what manual? I only got a quick start sheet | 09:01 |
| inz | acques, as pdf on the device | 09:02 |
| jacques | ah heh | 09:02 |
| jacques | I guess I need to explore it more | 09:02 |
| keesj | Mögge | 09:14 |
| obra | The nethack port is terrifying | 09:22 |
| keesj | is that good or bad? | 09:22 |
| keesj | and what is fake about fakeroot? | 09:24 |
| inz | it fakes return values of getuid etc | 09:26 |
| inz | so that programs think they've been run as root, when they actually haven't | 09:27 |
| keesj | but inside scratchbox fakeroot does not have many limitations right? | 09:27 |
| keesj | but it is builtin into the deb packager | 09:27 |
| inz | well, you can't really do chown root:root | 09:28 |
| inz | but as the rootfs is user writable, you can write there | 09:29 |
| obra | keesj: the nethack port will likely cost a friend her job if she ever sees it. perhaps also her singificant other. | 09:31 |
| inz | well phrased | 09:32 |
| keesj | still: because to much time was spent on it or because it is so awful? | 09:32 |
| jacques | because it is so addictive | 09:32 |
| jacques | a gigantic time sink to play | 09:33 |
| keesj | jacques, just wait for xmoto :) | 09:33 |
| obra | keesj: because it's addictive ;) | 09:33 |
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| keesj | I will try it right away | 09:34 |
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| inz | nnoooo... who will do the xmoto port, if you get addicted ;) | 09:35 |
| jacques | lol | 09:35 |
| keesj | I have one month before I start my new job so I need to do it now! | 09:41 |
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| tigert | inz: wiimote is bluetooth and there is a linux driver | 09:43 |
| tigert | that would make a nice game controller for maemo games optionally, as they sell them separately... | 09:44 |
| jacques | yeah, if only I could find one :-( | 09:44 |
| keesj | that sounds great, | 09:44 |
| tigert | they have the remotes on stock at our local computer store | 09:44 |
| keesj | the n800 contain a motion sensor right? | 09:44 |
| tigert | wii's, no. but remotes yes | 09:44 |
| * tigert doesnt know if the N800 has a motion sensor | 09:45 | |
| tigert | but now I need to drive to work, its extremely slippery out there and walking the dogs took ages | 09:45 |
| tigert | hazard++ | 09:45 |
| keesj | tigert, how cool would that be to play with multiple controllers | 09:45 |
| tigert | http://www.wii-volution.com/news/wii-news/some-linux/candle/beryl/wiimote-action.html | 09:48 |
| tigert | keesj: :) | 09:48 |
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| tigert | http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote#Force_Feedback | 09:49 |
| tigert | erm, without the page anchor even | 09:49 |
| tigert | http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote | 09:49 |
| keesj | it looks like enough information to implement it without a real wii (only the remote) | 09:51 |
| tigert | yeah | 09:51 |
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| tigert | there is an implementation too | 09:52 |
| tigert | wait | 09:52 |
| keesj | what does such a remote cost? | 09:52 |
| tigert | http://forthewiin.org/ | 09:52 |
| tigert | I think it was 49 euros or something | 09:52 |
| tigert | not bad for a 3-axis accelerometer with bluetooth | 09:53 |
| keesj | I am gonna get one right away | 09:53 |
| keesj | perhaps I must first finish the xmoto port :) | 09:55 |
| tigert | :) | 09:55 |
| tigert | the xmoto would work nicely with wiimote I think | 09:56 |
| keesj | I already see me using the thumkeyboard with that device | 09:56 |
| tigert | but neverball would be the ultimate | 09:56 |
| tigert | anyway, off for a bit | 09:56 |
| keesj | that would really be something! | 09:56 |
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| keesj | my kid playing with the gizmo on the nokia http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/n770_gizmo_fun.wav | 10:14 |
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| |tbb| | is it possible to send keys to application on a n800, like send keys under visual basic? | 10:17 |
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| X-Fade | tigert: Has everybody moved to the new office yet? :) | 10:18 |
| keesj | |tbb|, I guess you can do that on a X level | 10:20 |
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| Guardian | morning all | 10:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
| KermitTheFragger | morning | 10:59 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:15 |
| _matthias_ | moring | 11:25 |
| keesj | there was a guy just before me who walked away with the last wii controller. "Sorry" that is what he said | 11:26 |
| keesj | I tried to explain to him that I needed the controller but that did not help | 11:27 |
| Fatal | i guess he only bought it to hang over the fireplace instead of actually needing it? :) | 11:27 |
| _matthias_ | keesj: I currently try to persuade my prof. to by a wii or at least one of those wii-remotes for "scientific purposes" ;) | 11:27 |
| wumpus | ;) | 11:28 |
| Jaffa | keesj: thanks for the mud patches, I'll try and apply them over lunch | 11:28 |
| keesj | he actually was just buying the last wii and he waited 6 week for that | 11:28 |
| keesj | Jaffa, I have more coming but I need a bit more testing | 11:29 |
| inz | |tbb|, you can use the XTest extension to send fake key/pointer events | 11:29 |
| keesj | for one project I need to run a bootstrap.sh | 11:30 |
| keesj | (because I will be checked-out from svn) | 11:31 |
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| koen | Jaffa: I'm still no developer, and you? | 11:35 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:37 |
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| Jaffa | koen: nope | 11:42 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: maybe <fetch> should be able to have a <post-extract> command which runs for tarball and Subversion fetches (not that I've implemented the Subversion fetcher yet) | 11:44 |
| keesj | I think that the trick is to try to keep it simple | 11:47 |
| keesj | it very tempting to try to support mutiple versions | 11:47 |
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| jtra | anybody keen to test my new game for 770? http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/togglegame.html | 11:48 |
| keesj | but if the packages are in separate directory we might as well use svn for that and help the user by telling him how to view the different versions | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | yeah | 11:49 |
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| inz | I find it a bit funny to release stuff under GPLv2 and not have the source easily available. | 11:52 |
| keesj | jtra, funny game, I tested it on the sdk | 11:56 |
| keesj | if i don't start the desktop first the load screen will not accept key input | 11:57 |
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| keesj | is there somebody working on making garage mail work again? | 11:59 |
| jtra | hmm | 11:59 |
| keesj | I tried to send an email to garage but I get this error message <garage@maemo.org>: service unavailable. Command output: Message content | 11:59 |
| keesj | rejected | 11:59 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: exactly what I get. | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | I tried to email maemo-developers to highlight it, but that got rejected too. | 12:03 |
| keesj | but apparently the mud mail worked because that is where I sen(t?) the patches | 12:05 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: yup, all very odd. | 12:09 |
| koen | MDK: are you planning on adding full screen navigation to nflick? | 12:10 |
| keesj | jtra, I just installed it on it 2006 2.2006.39.14 it works good, but I had python already installed. the startup is faster then i expected | 12:12 |
| keesj | my ruby / wxwidgets demo started as fast as any java app on my desktop | 12:13 |
| inz | keesj, did you use "reply to all" when you sent the patches? | 12:13 |
| keesj | no , typed the email from scratch | 12:14 |
| jtra | keesj: I have it on 2006 2.2006.39-14 too | 12:14 |
| inz | keesj, I just didn't find any mud related mail on the list from you | 12:15 |
| osfameron | how do I get my N800 to play ogg files ? | 12:17 |
| keesj | inz it was on the mud-user mailing list https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-January/thread.html | 12:18 |
| keesj | inz are you subscribed to that list? perhaps you used a garage email or something like that? | 12:20 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:26 |
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| lardman | morning florian | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | keesj: re build-time changed files (eg. config.guess) I'm thinking since we've got subversion there we can auto-revert any files which are changed by the build process. | 12:28 |
| inz | keesj, ah, it was there, nevermind then =) | 12:30 |
| Veggen | (ogg files - hmm, anyone working on it? Should be somewhat easier now, not, but some work that has been done have to be duplicated?) | 12:31 |
| lardman | Veggen: You talking about a dsp task to handle them? | 12:31 |
| Veggen | eh, doesn't the newer CPU have floating-point support? | 12:32 |
| Veggen | (I seem to have heard, but I'm not sure and haven't checked) | 12:32 |
| lardman | Ah, I see what you mean, don't worry, I was just asking | 12:32 |
| lardman | Yes, it has a vfp unit | 12:33 |
| Veggen | yah. | 12:33 |
| Veggen | ...which means porting ogg-stuff from the Linux desktop world is gonna be a lot easier. | 12:33 |
| lardman | Veggen: There is already a fixed point implementation anyway - tremor | 12:34 |
| Veggen | on N800? | 12:34 |
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| ignacius | does anybody know if there is some limitation on playing videos with the n800 as there was with the 770? | 12:37 |
| wumpus | well, not apart from the processor speed | 12:39 |
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| Veggen | well, the vfp and increased processor speead should make the n800 better suited? | 12:40 |
| Veggen | (than the 770) | 12:40 |
| Veggen | much better, even? | 12:41 |
| wumpus | yes I'm sure of that | 12:41 |
| ignacius | i was talking about this: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/VideoEncoding | 12:44 |
| wumpus | though it seems youtube videos are still at dia show speed :/ | 12:45 |
| ignacius | for example: It can only decode videos where horizontal and vertical dimensions are multiples of 16. | 12:45 |
| osfameron | woot! my 2Gb card has arrived (in separate packae) so I can now start installing the kitchen sink and break my n800! | 12:45 |
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| tigert | wumpus, set flash to low quality and it speeds up a bit | 12:53 |
| tigert | still a slideshow, but a bit faster | 12:54 |
| wumpus | well every speedup is nice :) | 12:54 |
| tigert | its in the context menu | 12:58 |
| Jaffa | tigert: ideally there should be a way of forcing Flash to default to "low quality" rather than "high quality" | 13:00 |
| suihkulokki | tigert: have you used sbox/maemo sdk on pc? | 13:00 |
| suihkulokki | ie. do you have usability opinions =) | 13:00 |
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| tigert | heh | 13:20 |
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| tigert | it kinda is complex, but well. it IS complex thing :) | 13:21 |
| tigert | Apophis is much better | 13:21 |
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| tigert | ie, sbox 1 | 13:21 |
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| lardman | Veggen: Sorry, I was called away | 13:47 |
| lardman | Veggen: havinf hw floating point should male things easier, though I don't know whether it'd be quicker to use floating point or the fixed point implementation | 13:48 |
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| a345t | How do i go into idle mode with my n800? | 13:49 |
| a345t | there must be a way to suspend without power down the whole unit. | 13:50 |
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| tigert | do nothing, in other words, idle? :) | 13:50 |
| tigert | set keylock to make it sleep in your pocket | 13:50 |
| a345t | i have the keylock. battery is empty after 4 hours :( | 13:51 |
| cambba | a345t: but remember to wait for the timeout | 13:51 |
| Veggen | cambba: how can you lower that timeout? | 13:51 |
| Veggen | ...but I'd like to lower it only when locked :) | 13:51 |
| a345t | is it "lock touch screen and keys" or "lock device" ? | 13:52 |
| cambba | Veggen: that would be a good feature, haven't seen that | 13:52 |
| cambba | a345t: the first one | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | a345t: there's been discussion on ITT and maemo-dev about a utility to monitor certain key presses, or provide a home applet to power off radios and lock the screen. | 13:52 |
| tigert | do you have 3rd party apps running? | 13:52 |
| tigert | like the cpu applet maybe? | 13:52 |
| a345t | ohh. i have the "autolock disabled" option enabled right now. Thats why. Thx all! | 13:54 |
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| tigert | that shouldnt matter. you can engage the lock manually too | 14:02 |
| tigert | press power + rocker center | 14:03 |
| tigert | it opens the same way | 14:04 |
| |tbb| | i alwwaays get the error msg : error while loading shared libraries: libXau.so.0 : cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory | 14:11 |
| |tbb| | btw if i start xchat for example | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: maybe, busy day though :-( | 14:14 |
| |tbb| | k | 14:14 |
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| |tbb| | som1 has successfully testet irssi on os7? | 14:50 |
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| osfameron | eeek! OssoXterm doesn't find an ssh executable | 15:09 |
| inz | osfameron, you probably don't have ssh installed | 15:10 |
| osfameron | inz: that's what I was thinking :-) | 15:10 |
| osfameron | which repo can I get that from? | 15:10 |
| osfameron | I added the bora ones from the wiki repository page | 15:11 |
| osfameron | can't see that kind of utility in the listing | 15:11 |
| pikanapsu | Has anyone successfully installed with maemo 2.1 installer? | 15:11 |
| inz | osfameron, dropbear from ApplicationCatalog2006 works at least | 15:11 |
| osfameron | I don't see a dropbear | 15:12 |
| osfameron | I'm looking at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories | 15:12 |
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| pikanapsu | Is my N770 compatible with maemo2.1 it its version is 2.2006.39-14 | 15:12 |
| osfameron | ah, ApplicationCatalog2006, hang on | 15:12 |
| pikanapsu | if its.. | 15:12 |
| osfameron | hmmm, the RSS reader crashes when I ask it to refresh a feed | 15:15 |
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| osfameron | did anyone work out if oggplay worked for N800 ? | 15:16 |
| osfameron | is trying to install it a good idea? (well, obviously it's a good idea... but as a newbie, do I need to be careful of anything in particular to avoid trashing things?) | 15:17 |
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| osfameron | ah well, what do I care if trash a new machine with no important data on it anyway :-) | 15:23 |
| osfameron | looks like it does NOT work yet | 15:23 |
| keesj | and did it trash your machine? | 15:24 |
| osfameron | nope | 15:25 |
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| piknapsu | :l | 15:25 |
| osfameron | it says it's installed. I try to open it, it waits for a bit and then closes | 15:25 |
| piknapsu | did anyone answer my question.. i lost connection | 15:25 |
| inz | piknapsu, no one answered, but yes | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | osfameron: I thought you had to reboot first? | 15:26 |
| osfameron | X-Fade: reboot! on linux? | 15:26 |
| piknapsu | anyone familiar with the maemo2.1 installer? | 15:26 |
| osfameron | I can give that a go I suppose. It didnt tell me to | 15:26 |
| piknapsu | inz: compatible?:) | 15:27 |
| inz | piknapsu, yes, 770 firmware version 2.xxxx is for scirocco/maemo2.1 | 15:27 |
| inz | piknapsu, whereas firmware 1.xxxx is for mistral/maemo2.0 | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | osfameron: Yeah, it was a half baked release. It needed to reload the server or something like that.. | 15:28 |
| keesj | whould something like this help people who want a remove control? http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7096/new-sd-card-universal-remote-control-device/ | 15:29 |
| piknapsu | inz: ok, thanks! | 15:29 |
| piknapsu | i have one of both N770 :) | 15:29 |
| osfameron | X-Fade: cool, I'll try that now then. thanks, I wouldn't have thought of doing it :-) | 15:29 |
| piknapsu | i just installed maemo2.1 with installer.. and started xephyr but in the sbox enviroment af-sb-init.sh start only flashes on screen and then close with error .. :( | 15:30 |
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| osfameron | X-Fade: nah, after reboot does the same. "Says Ogg Player loading" for half a minute, then pops out again | 15:32 |
| suihkulokki | keesj: really cool. someone would just have to RE their driver | 15:32 |
| keesj | perhaps there are also "ir over wifi" base stations | 15:32 |
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| X-Fade | osfameron: Ah, i thought you used the plugin.. | 15:33 |
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| osfameron | X-Fade: ah! plugin is what I want really, to be able to use from the main media player | 15:34 |
| osfameron | where do I find that? I must be searching wrong page | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26582&postcount=40 | 15:35 |
| osfameron | ta | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | Blimey, qgil's actually *communicated* on behalf of Maemo/Nokia about the developer device programme: http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/327 | 15:39 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: He also hints that that mailinglist is broken :) | 15:42 |
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| osfameron | hrmpf: "unable to install gst-ogg-vorbis" | 15:44 |
| osfameron | is that where I need to reboot? | 15:45 |
| osfameron | ah, it's in installed apps, so maybe | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | tigert: ping? | 15:46 |
| osfameron | bah, that doesn't work after reboot, I'll come back to it after work. X-Fade thanks for the help! | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | osfameron: did you dpkg -i it? | 15:49 |
| tigert | pong? | 15:50 |
| koen | Jaffa: http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/327 :) | 15:50 |
| osfameron | X-Fade: ah, no, when I downloaded it, it offered to install it throuhg the application manager | 15:50 |
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| osfameron | which I thought was the equivalent | 15:50 |
| koen | Jaffa: it seems you are as shocked as I am :) | 15:50 |
| keesj | great news! | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: this, we knew ;-) | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | koen: indeed. Fortunately I think I do quite well on their criteria (I hope) | 15:54 |
| keesj | I have this usb hub that can be connected to a power supply http://www.ciao.co.uk/Trust_510DS_Mini_Notebook_Docking_Station_Docking_station__5745762 would that work on the 770? | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: yeah, although some mails seem to go through.. | 15:54 |
| koen | Jaffa: fingers crossed :) | 15:54 |
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| Jaffa | koen: indeed :) | 15:56 |
| piknapsu | can't anyone confirm that Maemo2.1 installer should work without any special tweaks? | 15:56 |
| keesj | piknapsu, it did not work out of the box for me , I made notes but lost them | 15:58 |
| keesj | there where a few typos in the manual(perhaps that is fixed) | 15:58 |
| keesj | So id did not work out of the box for me | 15:59 |
| piknapsu | what typos to you refer? | 16:00 |
| piknapsu | do you.. | 16:00 |
| keesj | I don't rember it had to do with the sbox command and the unpacking of some packages | 16:01 |
| piknapsu | i mean the installer program.. not the install manual ) | 16:01 |
| piknapsu | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/scirocco/installer/ | 16:03 |
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| zbenjamin | hello @ all | 16:03 |
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| zbenjamin | is the source of the wlan status bar plugin available? | 16:06 |
| zbenjamin | sorry the internet connectivity plugin | 16:07 |
| keesj | piknapsu, I am installing with the installer right now :) | 16:14 |
| inz | zben, the source for the plugin seems to be osso-connectivity-ui, which isn't available at repository.maemo.org at least | 16:15 |
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| inz | zben, nor in the big source ball | 16:15 |
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| X-Fade | inz: Indeed, I have not been able to find that either.. | 16:17 |
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| zbenjamin | i need to know how to shutdown and open a wlan connection | 16:21 |
| zbenjamin | without the plugin in the status bar | 16:21 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: your mud-builder patches have been applied and the website *started* to be updated to allow easier documentation updates: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/docs/index.php | 16:23 |
| keesj | wow php on the garage website? | 16:25 |
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| X-Fade | zbenjamin: Try this documentation: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_connectivity_guide.html | 16:26 |
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| zbenjamin | thx X-Fade | 16:27 |
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| lardman | Was the maemo ml down before lunch (~2hrs ago)? | 16:32 |
| koen | lardman: see http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/327 | 16:33 |
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| koen | Jaffa: what isn't clear is when the first and second wave take place | 16:36 |
| koen | Jaffa: you can read the announcement both ways: 1st wave on monday or second wave on monday | 16:37 |
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| lardman | koen: Thanks, saw that last night | 16:40 |
| lardman | It's on the maemo wiki too, sounds to me like 1st wave on Monday, 2nd wave later | 16:41 |
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| lardman | Yep, just had my message to maemo-developers spat back at me again | 16:47 |
| lardman | What does this mean?: <maemo-developers@maemo.org>: service unavailable. Command output: Message content rejected | 16:47 |
| lardman | Service unavailable is fair enough, content rejected sounds ominous | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | koen: I agree with lardman - first wave Monday, second wave "later" | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | Hmm OLPC now have python-launcher inspired by maemo-launcher ;) | 16:48 |
| suihkulokki | lardman: stop being such pottymouth! | 16:48 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: I thought it might be overzealous spam filtering, but given it's affecting everyone I think it's just FUBAR | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: cool :) | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | http://blogs.gnome.org/view/johan/2007/01/18/0 | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | keesj: yeah, I thought it was worth a try. it worked, so figured that was the best way to get slightly dynamic content. | 16:49 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: I was wondering if I slipped into swearing in my post about the DSP, but I checked and nothing too bad ;) | 16:49 |
| koen | Jaffa: I didn't expect the first wave before monday judging from past nokia community 'deadlines' | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | koen: :-/ | 16:49 |
| keesj | Jaffa, at first the php did not look safe , but at closer look it's alright I guess :) | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, python-launcher looks cool. Could probably do with that with pymaemo | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | keesj: trust me, it's safe :) | 16:50 |
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| keesj | Jaffa is it not me who needs to thrust you :) | 16:50 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: oh yeah, from Ferenc's point of view, allowing PHP on garage websites is a ridiculously easy security hole to exploit (unless the vhost config is *very* smart); but for me, I'm happy :-) | 16:51 |
| keesj | Jaffa, have you by any chance changed the mail setting :p | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | keesj: nah, it was broken before I did any PHP | 16:51 |
| keesj | So no credits for that. | 16:52 |
| ||cw | if they use suphp a lot of exploits would be limited to the project hosting the poor php code | 16:56 |
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| McQueen | hi, a domain that increasing in value day by day. http://www.visitallday.com very interesting | 16:57 |
| part | very spammy | 16:57 |
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| McQueen | not spam | 16:57 |
| suihkulokki | yes, irc spam | 16:57 |
| McQueen | ist only interesting | 16:57 |
| McQueen | ok | 16:57 |
| McQueen | if you think that | 16:57 |
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| McQueen | i am sorry | 16:57 |
| Veggen | It's spam. | 16:58 |
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| *** McQueen was kicked by c0ffee (i don't like you, go away!) | 16:58 | |
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| c0ffee | there's nothing to see, please pass by! | 16:58 |
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| Robot101 | someone using my name? :( | 17:00 |
| Robot101 | I feel dirty | 17:00 |
| part | heh | 17:00 |
| Tybstar | robot: now we know what your side job is! | 17:01 |
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| Guardian | hmm i'm looking for a gtk2 pixmap engine documentation for nearly an hour now | 17:07 |
| Guardian | without much success | 17:07 |
| tzz | Jaffa: see my e-mail about MUD suggestions. | 17:08 |
| Guardian | i found stuff for gtk 1.2 pixmap engine but not for gtk 2 | 17:08 |
| Guardian | anyone knows where i should look? | 17:08 |
| keesj | did you look on maemo i perhaps it is gdk and not gtk? | 17:09 |
| Guardian | in maemo it's in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libpixmap.so | 17:09 |
| Guardian | so i assume it's gtk | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | Guardian: the gtk2-engines package? | 17:10 |
| koen | Guardian: look for 'sapwood' | 17:10 |
| koen | Guardian: that should have maemo docs | 17:10 |
| Guardian | koen: dedicated maemo engine ? | 17:10 |
| koen | a evolution of the pixmap engine | 17:11 |
| Guardian | ok | 17:11 |
| Guardian | in fact i started playing with bg_pixmap in gtkrc files | 17:11 |
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| Guardian | but i would have prefered something more like css, that allows you to specify a sub region of an image | 17:11 |
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| Guardian | i guess being able to pack all images used for widget theming in a single .png file would help lowering loading time | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | tzz: ta :) | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | tzz: TODO updated | 17:18 |
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| tzz | Jaffa: I got Emacs to build, binary only is 32 MB (nothing pruned, this is everything). I'll try installing it, since I have very little installed on my N800. Will that be OK or will a 32 MB package likely cause problems? I haven't seen a package bigger than 10 MB or so (Canola I think). | 17:20 |
| |tbb| | could it be that the 770 has a more scratch ressistent touchscreen-display as the 800 ??? my 800 is 2 days old and has more scratches as my 770 :-( | 17:20 |
| tzz | tbb: yes, the N800 felt pretty sticky at first. It feels OK now after a few days of use. | 17:21 |
| glass | some residue lef on the screen that 'scratches'? | 17:21 |
| koen | tzz: tried stripping the debug symbols? | 17:21 |
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| osfameron | tzz: yeah, mine was a bit sticky and bumpy at first | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | |tbb|: You did remove the protective film, right? :) | 17:22 |
| osfameron | is there canola for N800 yet? | 17:22 |
| |tbb| | there was none | 17:22 |
| tzz | osfameron: there will be, but not yet (heard from the authors) | 17:22 |
| |tbb| | oh wait | 17:23 |
| keesj | help , how do I redo in vim? | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | |tbb|: Look closer then.. It should still be on there.. | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | keesj: ctrl+r | 17:23 |
| |tbb| | youre right ;) | 17:23 |
| tzz | koen: I'm still working on the packaging, no fine tuning. But the standard Emacs install is stripped and only contains binaries (where possible). | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | |tbb|: A free screen protector :) | 17:24 |
| |tbb| | hehe | 17:24 |
| tzz | koen: so I would assume the symbols are stripped, yes. | 17:24 |
| |tbb| | did u remove it? | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | I don't have a N800 :( | 17:24 |
| osfameron | |tbb|: I removed mine, and it was still pretty sticky for a while | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | tzz: I'm going to ensure that debian/rules is modified (by default) to strip binaries and not-install documentation. So the package as-is is fine, given the maemo.org problems, it looks unlikely that anything'll be uploaded to extras any time soon. And the build system still needs some work. | 17:26 |
| |tbb| | there was a small thing on the left corner on the display i just removed that | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | |tbb|: There will be a case for N800 too. http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=144920 Not sure if that is an official Nokia version though. | 17:26 |
| daveaitel | how beautiful is the N800! | 17:27 |
| keesj | Jaffa, on a fresh sdk 2.1 install I get this http://paste-it.net/995 it looks like uuencode is missing | 17:28 |
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| keesj | should I run apt-get update / dist-upgrade etc on a fresh sdk 2.1 install? | 17:30 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: ah, ta. I thought it was there as standard, but I'll make it more robust if it's not | 17:34 |
| keesj | the nokia sdk installer had the same problem | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | keesj: right, checked in a fix so it shouldn't die in that case | 17:35 |
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| tzz | Jaffa: that's fine, thanks for working on it. If I have any free time I'll try to put together patches for some of the features I requested. The package will be up soon (77MB installed according to the package manager!) | 17:37 |
| keesj | Jaffa, I did a fresh checkout but still get the message | 17:37 |
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| tzz | Jaffa: my first install failed, it requires libxpm4. So I have to retry it... | 17:38 |
| keesj | Do I need to remove the crocodile deb repository from the sb install? | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | tzz: hmm. | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | keesj: damn, OK I'll try and do a tested fix at some point :-/ | 17:41 |
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| t9k794 | Is it possible to compile any debian src package on the n800? I would like to have php and mysql | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | t9k794: I think that is a tad abitious. | 17:44 |
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| X-Fade | *ambitious | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | t9k782: gpd was playing with it the other day, you might also be interested in <plug> http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php </plug> | 17:44 |
| tzz | t9k794: why, for the love of God, do people want to run mysql and PHP on a device like the N800? That's like riding your dog to work. | 17:45 |
| t9k782 | i do ride my dog to work :) | 17:46 |
| t9k782 | is the n800 too slow? | 17:47 |
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| tzz | I tried to make an analogy, but here's the full explanation. | 17:47 |
| t9k782 | ok | 17:47 |
| tzz | The N800 has a slow processor, little disk space, and little memory. It is a very specialized device. | 17:48 |
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| t9k782 | i just want to write small script. educational purpose | 17:48 |
| tzz | A DB server has a good processor (usually multiple cores), LOTS of memory, and LOTS of disk space. | 17:48 |
| lle2 | I had a db server with 96MB of memory once | 17:49 |
| tzz | So either talk to a real DB server, or use sqlite. | 17:49 |
| lle2 | it kicked some major butt back then | 17:49 |
| tzz | lle2: sure, but the N800 is not a dedicated server in any case. Running the UI and apps leaves little room for background tasks. | 17:50 |
| t9k782 | i saw that i could format the SD-card as RAM. how fast is that? | 17:50 |
| lle2 | tzz: I know, not arguing with that point at all | 17:50 |
| keesj | piknapsu, what kind of problems do you have? | 17:50 |
| Disconnect | t9k782: swap space, its just as fast (or slow) as normal card access | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | t9k782: you can use a swap file on the SD card. | 17:50 |
| t9k782 | ok | 17:50 |
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| t9k782 | what is the benchmark on the SD-card? 0.1 ms random access time? | 17:52 |
| tzz | t9k\d+: also, PHP requires a webserver. That is its own bunch of problems. Having specced and installed many DB and web servers myself, I would just tell you that running MySQL+PHP on the N800 is a nice party trick but useless in the end. Like riding your dog to work. :) | 17:53 |
| dottedmag | tzz: well, I had a server iP233MMX/32M which succesfully served static files and some PHP (shame on me, I did PHP!) and had LA 0.01 | 17:55 |
| glass | php requires a webserver now? | 17:55 |
| t9k782 | PHP does'nt require a webserver i can be run from shell.. php script.php | 17:55 |
| glass | yes | 17:55 |
| Pierre | php has many SAPI | 17:55 |
| t9k782 | php can be used instead of perl or python. | 17:56 |
| lle2 | php seems to be the scripting language of choice for internet tablets.. | 17:56 |
| Pierre | not really | 17:56 |
| part | haha | 17:56 |
| glass | hahaha | 17:56 |
| keesj | I can't get 2.1 sdk install to work either http://paste-it.net/996 | 17:56 |
| Pierre | it is good for web, but not designed for desktop apps (tablet incl.) | 17:56 |
| dottedmag | php collects garbage at the end of script only. So PHP is anything but generic-purpose scripting language. | 17:57 |
| Pierre | (and I can say that I'm a PHP fan :) | 17:57 |
| dottedmag | especially when the memory is tight. | 17:57 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: exactly, even if they made a good work with phpgtk2 | 17:57 |
| glass | you can't hint the gc to run even? | 17:57 |
| dottedmag | glass: no | 17:57 |
| Pierre | 5.2 can | 17:57 |
| glass | huh | 17:58 |
| dottedmag | Pierre: didn't know it | 17:58 |
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| Pierre | dottedmag: you can disable the zend MM | 17:58 |
| lle2 | there's been MUCH more php related talk on this channel than any other language, C included | 17:58 |
| dottedmag | lle2: it's easier to start writing some crap on PHP than on C | 17:58 |
| keesj | crap yes! | 17:58 |
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| shackan | exactly :D | 17:58 |
| dottedmag | lle2: and this crap seems to work. until you run it on embedded :) | 17:59 |
| Pierre | lle2: really, I develop php (itself) and use it since years, I use it in shell for some admins task but it is really not a good destop language. | 17:59 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: crap is not the word I would use to describe php. | 17:59 |
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| tzz | make sure you have libxpm4 installed beforehand! http://lifelogs.com/emacs.deb | 17:59 |
| koen | tzz: sounds like the emacs .deb is broken | 18:00 |
| tzz | it doesn't pop up the keyboard, so without a BT keyboard it's pretty useless. | 18:00 |
| Pierre | ah, a propos xpm, have you already seen a xpm package without a X11 dep? | 18:00 |
| koen | tzz: .debs have a Depends: field for a reason | 18:00 |
| tzz | and you have to run "emacs" from a command line, it doesn't go into Extras | 18:00 |
| tzz | koen: it has a dependency. If you download it directly, it will discover you need libxpm4 too late, and you have to download again. | 18:01 |
| tzz | so either save it, or pre-install libxpm4. | 18:01 |
| lle2 | somebody should put instructions on maemo.org how to run php + a webserver, it would be a real timesaver for a lot of people | 18:02 |
| t9k782 | another question: how do i search the internet for n800 debs? can i install 770 debs also? | 18:02 |
| dottedmag | hmm... I think I've seen packaged lighttpd for maemo? | 18:02 |
| Pierre | lle2: install lighttpd+phpfcgi | 18:03 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: :) | 18:03 |
| lle2 | I think I'll replace Lua in scratchbox2 mapping rules with php, much bigger community it seems | 18:04 |
| dottedmag | ugh | 18:05 |
| dottedmag | lle2: use python then. also big community and much less brain-damageness in language. | 18:06 |
| dottedmag | lle2: or ruby. or perl. but not Personal HomePage :-/ | 18:06 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: that's getting annoying. | 18:07 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: as technical arguments are valid, those are plain crap (being polite). | 18:07 |
| lle2 | but I'm aiming at making sb2 highly popular, I'm hoping maybe people integrate sbox2 into their blogs | 18:07 |
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| Pierre | dottedmag: the quality of an application/library depends on the developers not on the language. I see "crap" (as you said) in any language, and beautiful code too (even in cobol ;). | 18:08 |
| lle2 | you could then cross-compile the entire blog comment section to your favority target cpu | 18:08 |
| * Pierre hates languages FUD/extremist/haters | 18:09 | |
| osfameron | there are some nice PHP applications to be sure. I hate programming in it, but some source (drupal for example) is mostly written by sane people | 18:09 |
| lle2 | recursive ideologies are hard | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | koen: I think it's my fault as for some reason mud (or rather dh_make/dpkg-buildpackage) hasn't picked up the libxpm4 dependency | 18:10 |
| Pierre | ideology has no place in programming, imho. | 18:10 |
| osfameron | Pierre: "ideology" can be any system of ideas which back up certain useful received wisdoms | 18:11 |
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| osfameron | "testing is good" "use version control" "don't go live on Friday night at 7pm" | 18:11 |
| dottedmag | Pierre: well. Just have a look at semantics of core functions. Most cool applications create abstraction layers which hide all this insanity. I might give concrete examples if you want. | 18:11 |
| osfameron | it's unthinking acceptance of an ideology, and being unpleassant to other people because of their's that is ott | 18:11 |
| osfameron | (though I slag off PHP sometimes too ;-)) | 18:11 |
| Pierre | osfameron: that's principles (survival guide ;) | 18:11 |
| dottedmag | Pierre: unfortunately PHP evolved but was not refactored. | 18:12 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: yes, that's a choice (or the lack of possible other choices). | 18:12 |
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| Pierre | dottedmag: For one, I like to drop all the old insane API in php, but other prefers BC. For example in ext/zip, when I rewrote it, I choose the middle way. I kept the old API for BC reasons and froze it but provided a nice and clean new API. | 18:13 |
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| dottedmag | Pierre: and what about core structures, such as array (or hash? or set?)? will they ever be refactored? | 18:17 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: refactored to what? Array are fine (the array functions need cleanup), spl provides some clean(er) alternative for OO users. | 18:19 |
| dottedmag | okay. But why don't old interface clearly marked as deprecated and only-for-backward-compatibility? | 18:20 |
| Pierre | I'm happy with them as many other, why should we deprecate them only for the sake of OOness? | 18:20 |
| dottedmag | Not mentioning that OO is not necessary here, and just a set of functions with sound semantics is needed. | 18:21 |
| Pierre | if one does not like them, he can use spl | 18:21 |
| Pierre | or ArrayAccess | 18:21 |
| Pierre | but I agree, it can be confusing to have many ways to achieve the same operation | 18:21 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: but really, I have little interest to debate about old topics in why php is good/bad/evil/rocks. But I rather prefer to discuss evolutions, fun and new things/features. Or maemo needs as we are in #maemo :) | 18:23 |
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| dottedmag | Pierre: I just wanted to slightly brake the 'let's rewrite everything to the PHP!' trend. PHP (like C++) requires mastership to use properly. And, unfortunately, it is too accessible for not-a-wizards. | 18:25 |
| Pierre | dottedmag: true, that's both a quality and a default of PHP, it is too easy :/ | 18:26 |
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| wumpus | mm didn't the n800 advertise skype support or is that to be downloaded seperately? | 18:39 |
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| chx | wumpus: sumemr | 18:40 |
| chx | doh | 18:40 |
| chx | it is expected in the summer | 18:41 |
| wumpus | ok :d | 18:41 |
| wumpus | would be very cool | 18:41 |
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| keesj | and what about my problem? dpkg: 2 expected program(s) not found on PATH. | 18:44 |
| keesj | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. | 18:44 |
| keesj | E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2 | 18:44 |
| keesj | start-stop-daemon and install-info where can I find these? | 18:44 |
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| gpd | does anyone believe the google switch iphone killer ? | 18:49 |
| keesj | url? | 18:50 |
| glass | no | 18:51 |
| keesj | found it | 18:51 |
| glass | how can you kill something thats not established even.. | 18:52 |
| keesj | Oh, and there won't be any internal memory: everything will be served up over the network. Hopefully that'll be 3G then, unlike the iPhone | 18:52 |
| glass | hsdpa | 18:53 |
| dottedmag | keesj: url? :) | 18:53 |
| glass | it would suck if there weren't any internal memory | 18:53 |
| glass | unless it was just a web pad | 18:53 |
| keesj | http://techdigest.tv/2007/01/can_googles_swi.html | 18:53 |
| glass | and if it were just a web pad then it would suck | 18:53 |
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| keesj | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/18/the-google-switch-an-iphone-killer/ | 18:53 |
| tzz | heh that would be hilarious if they actually launched such a crap product | 18:54 |
| tzz | bad reception? Sure, everything will break. | 18:54 |
| keesj | the screen looks like high res | 18:54 |
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| tzz | I want the new Nokia USB to 2mm jack charger! | 18:56 |
| tzz | just announced according to Engadget | 18:56 |
| glass | glueing the converter to the old one not good enough for you? | 18:57 |
| glass | the small jack breaks easily :< | 18:57 |
| glass | i've broken two chargers | 18:57 |
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| ||cw | i've yet break mine, though I thought i would | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | mine broke at the other end | 19:13 |
| c0ffee | i broke my charger once | 19:13 |
| ||cw | tzz: I picked up a cell phone kit with both nokia plugs (interchangable, not at the same time) on a retractable usb cord, including a AC->usb and car 12v->usb for like $20 | 19:14 |
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| zyxul | is it possible to connect the nokia 800 into a physical ethernet interface through usb under linux? | 19:16 |
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| ||cw | zyxul: if you put it in host mode and have drivers for the device installed | 19:19 |
| ||cw | and use a power injector | 19:19 |
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| koen | according to the mailinglist you can't put the n800 in host mode | 19:20 |
| ||cw | really | 19:20 |
| ||cw | wonder why they removed that | 19:20 |
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| onion | ||cw: have you tried using the ac/12v->usb as a power injector ? | 19:21 |
| ||cw | no | 19:22 |
| ||cw | don't see why it couldn't be used for that though | 19:22 |
| gpd | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_SwitchToHostMode <-- that /sys dir no on N800 | 19:24 |
| osfameron | you can't? | 19:24 |
| osfameron | that's a bit silly | 19:24 |
| koen | gpd: for one the kernel option is disabled | 19:25 |
| tzz | ||cw: thanks, I might try that. | 19:25 |
| koen | gpd: but I was talking about hardware :) | 19:25 |
| osfameron | gah, the RSS reader is really buggy | 19:25 |
| zyxul | --enable-usb-host-mode Set the device into USB host mode | 19:25 |
| zyxul | --disable-usb-host-mode Set the device into USB peripheral mode | 19:25 |
| osfameron | are there publically accessible bug reports/lists for the Nokia supplied apps? | 19:25 |
| zyxul | the flasher has those options | 19:25 |
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| gpd | koen: can you update that page for N800 if you have reliable info :) | 19:26 |
| c0ffee | maeamo.org/bugzilla/ | 19:26 |
| c0ffee | with less a's | 19:26 |
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| ||cw | heh, i do that all the time | 19:26 |
| zyxul | so it must be possible to make the device go into host mode | 19:26 |
| zyxul | ||cw: when you say drivers for the device installed you mean the n800 device or the ethernet adaptor? | 19:27 |
| koen | gpd: it's all in the mailinglist, no need to duplicate info | 19:27 |
| ||cw | zyxul: the ethernet | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | zyxul: someone from nokia said on the mailing list that the hardware on the N800 does not support usb host mode | 19:28 |
| osfameron | c0ffee: ta | 19:28 |
| zyxul | ahh ok | 19:28 |
| zyxul | but ||cw said he has done it | 19:28 |
| ||cw | I don't have an n800 | 19:29 |
| zyxul | oh | 19:29 |
| ||cw | just assumed it would be the same chip | 19:29 |
| ||cw | seems like a usefull feature, so didn't expect they would remove it | 19:29 |
| zyxul | any idea how you access the ethernet card under the device? | 19:30 |
| gpd | koen: the mailing list isn't exactly convenient - wiki is better imho | 19:30 |
| ||cw | gpd: so why can't you edit the wiki? | 19:30 |
| gpd | ||cw: because i do not have the information! | 19:31 |
| gpd | I assure you i would - and have edited the wiki - with informatin that i know to be true / useful | 19:31 |
| s-ndh-c | whats working better for you? ushare or gmediaserver? | 19:33 |
| s-ndh-c | didnt get mediastreamer working with gmediaserver | 19:33 |
| gpd | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007255.html <- is that the final word on USB-OTG? | 19:33 |
| s-ndh-c | with ushare it works well | 19:33 |
| s-ndh-c | but mediastreamer doenst seem to support seeking | 19:33 |
| s-ndh-c | or maybe ushare doesnt not sure | 19:33 |
| gpd | AFAIK there is no USB-OTG in N800. The connector (HW) does not handle it | 19:34 |
| gpd | so no effort spent in the kernel either. | 19:34 |
| gpd | Br, -- jakub | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | hm, I haven't received any mail from maemo lists since last night | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | should I look for mail problems, or are you all just very quiet? | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | the web archive ends at Wed Jan 17 13:39:15 EEST 2007 | 19:36 |
| koen | mgedmin: they are broken, see qgil's blogpost | 19:36 |
| trenka | gpd: you can try to write usb-host support anyway I guess | 19:36 |
| koen | trenka: the driver is already in the kernel AFAIK | 19:37 |
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| trenka | koen: for host? you sure? | 19:38 |
| koen | see the thread gpd linked | 19:39 |
| gpd | I presume Jakub is THE Jakub Pavelek -- ie Mr. Tablet. Therefore this is the end of the story - and my dreams of digital SLR -> N800 ;( | 19:41 |
| trenka | Ah, yes, there is something | 19:42 |
| keesj | us-otg == usb-host? | 19:44 |
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| keesj | usb-otg == usb-host? | 19:45 |
| gpd | keesj: plain english? | 19:45 |
| trenka | keesj: no | 19:46 |
| trenka | usb-otg is a autodetection, who is a host | 19:46 |
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| gpd | trenka: so... final word on USB host mode on N800? yes/no/maybe? | 19:47 |
| trenka | gpd: what point of view? official Nokia? | 19:48 |
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| gpd | either / both ? | 19:48 |
| s-ndh-c | is it a completely different usb controler? | 19:48 |
| gpd | Official = No, Unofficial = Maybe ? | 19:49 |
| trenka | I do not have voice to say instead of Nokia, but guess, that officially "no" | 19:49 |
| Molagi | anyone here got nethack on their tablet? | 19:50 |
| s-ndh-c | would that make the device even more interessting? | 19:50 |
| Molagi | cant figure how to load a game | 19:50 |
| trenka | I did not look too deep, but guess, if somebody build a special kernel, the support is possible | 19:51 |
| gpd | trenka: so you think the flasher modes are no longer correct for N800? | 19:51 |
| trenka | s-ndh-c: defferent of what? 770 ? | 19:51 |
| s-ndh-c | trenka: i think they are only limiting itto peripheral mode by some driver option or something | 19:51 |
| s-ndh-c | trenka: yeah | 19:51 |
| trenka | s-ndh-c: TUSB6010, as you can learn from the thread, is completly different | 19:52 |
| tzz | Molagi: nethack doesn't load games inside the game | 19:52 |
| * mgedmin had a nethack clone on his s40 phone, and once lost about 6 hours of life and all battery charge by accident | 19:52 | |
| tzz | Molagi: you start nethack and it will offer to load your save game | 19:52 |
| tzz | Molagi: you save in nethack when you exit | 19:52 |
| Molagi | hmm doenst offer to me | 19:53 |
| Molagi | :( | 19:53 |
| Molagi | i open and it only offers to start a new game | 19:53 |
| Pio | say no | 19:53 |
| Molagi | choose name | 19:53 |
| Pio | cancel | 19:53 |
| Molagi | character creation | 19:53 |
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| Pio | hm | 19:54 |
| tzz | Molagi: look in /usr/lib/games or wherever the save game directory is. You may not have it, so the save game function didn't work. Talk to the maintainers. | 19:54 |
| Pio | theres a load game in the tools | 19:54 |
| Pio | in the menu thing | 19:54 |
| Pio | maybe get into a game then look there | 19:54 |
| Pio | i remember it was awkward, but i dont remember how i got it to work | 19:54 |
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| tzz | maybe this was added recently, the Nethack I used for years never had a load/save inside the game. | 19:54 |
| Molagi | hmm | 19:55 |
| Pio | anyone know if that nethack works with a keyboard? | 19:55 |
| Pio | i guess i could just make a terminal build if i wanted that | 19:55 |
| Pio | its frustrating to play nethack so slowly :) | 19:55 |
| Molagi | when i save the game it quits | 19:55 |
| trenka | gpd: but OTG support is definitly No :) | 19:56 |
| tzz | Molagi: see my earlier comments. Save == exit in Nethack. | 19:56 |
| Molagi | dang | 19:56 |
| Pio | heh now i cant figure it out | 19:56 |
| Molagi | whats the point in saving and exiting when you cant load | 19:56 |
| tzz | Molagi: it's a bug or you can't find the "Load" menu. Talk to the maintainers, read the docs... | 19:57 |
| gpd | http://www.usb.org/developers/onthego/ <- for my info | 19:57 |
| Molagi | ok | 19:57 |
| Pio | you know, i think its based on your player name | 19:57 |
| Pio | if you save, then load and give the same player name, it loads the last saved game from that name | 19:57 |
| Pio | err then start nethack, not then load | 19:58 |
| Molagi | oh yeah | 19:58 |
| Molagi | thanks! | 19:58 |
| Molagi | the name thing works | 19:58 |
| Pio | yeah :) | 19:58 |
| Pio | i knew there was some trick to it, just couldnt remember | 19:58 |
| Pio | had to play with it for a sec | 19:59 |
| tzz | btw, this helps too: export NETHACKOPTIONS=pushweapon,autoquiver,lit_corridor,showexp,!mail,showscore,time,!autopickup,number_pad,name:Molagi | 19:59 |
| Molagi | hmm | 19:59 |
| trenka | gpd: otg requires a special connector, mini A/B, it is possible to plug A or B there, and 2 additional protocols -- for session and for host detection | 19:59 |
| Molagi | ok | 19:59 |
| tzz | sorry Molagi, it's been a while since I played, I shouldn't have confused you about the load/save stuff. | 19:59 |
| Pio | i like autopickup and pickup_types:$ | 20:00 |
| Molagi | heh np | 20:00 |
| Pio | fruit:bagel bite | 20:00 |
| Pio | :) | 20:00 |
| trenka | gpd: it uses special ID line (D+,D-,VBus,Gnd,ID) for first A/B detection | 20:01 |
| tzz | Pio: heh, I never play for gold. Just kill everything in sight unless it's a major hassle, like priests or the quest master. Oh yes. I'm definitely not Lawful :) | 20:01 |
| Pio | hey gold is useful, you can donate it for protection | 20:02 |
| gpd | trenka: OTG looks to be just what i want -- ie plug into anything -- shame it is not supported -- but maybe there is still hope for camera->tablet using some other magic (i am well out of my depth) | 20:03 |
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| Pio | what about izchak? | 20:03 |
| Pio | :) | 20:03 |
| trenka | gpd: yes, it's cool | 20:03 |
| Molagi | someone should do ultima games on tablets | 20:04 |
| Molagi | like ultima6 | 20:04 |
| tzz | I thought Star Control 3 was a nice port to the 770 | 20:06 |
| tzz | or was it 2? I forget. | 20:07 |
| trenka | recently I got ipaq and WM2003 | 20:09 |
| trenka | the first my mobile device was n770. I did not think it's very good. But after ipaq I love it | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | heh | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | I first saw an ipaq after I've used a palm for some time | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | I was horrified | 20:11 |
| s-ndh-c | hehe | 20:12 |
| s-ndh-c | :) | 20:12 |
| trenka | but ipaq has some advantages. I'll skip PIM sync, but serial console with cradle is cool | 20:14 |
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| guerby | any news on the devopper program coupon ? | 20:20 |
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| s-ndh-c | what is that junk that ushare and gmediaserver seem to serve on 9111 | 20:22 |
| zuh | guerby: yes, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram | 20:22 |
| guerby | zuh, thanks! | 20:23 |
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| tzz | I still think they should have given 3000 users small discounts (50 euro) instead of 500 developers large discounts (300 euro). | 20:24 |
| tzz | developers follow the user base, not the other way around. | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | not open-source developers | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | open-source developers follow their fancy | 20:27 |
| tzz | I doubt that. | 20:28 |
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| tzz | mgedmin: what's your basis for that statement? | 20:30 |
| c0ffee | own experience :) | 20:30 |
| c0ffee | at least here | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | long-time immersion in the various communities (lurking in mailing lists, reading web)? | 20:32 |
| guerby | tzz, I think 500 should be near covering anyone who packaged or developped | 20:32 |
| ||cw | OSS developers either are their own user base or have a userbase thrust on them because a company thinks it will cost less to extend an OSS app than to write their own from scratch | 20:34 |
| tko | I agree. OSS developers do whatever they feel like doing and from somewhere users appear demanding stuff | 20:34 |
| mgedmin | scratching own itches and all that | 20:34 |
| tzz | OK... seems like a pretty one-dimensional argument to me, ignoring external factors such as available utilities, user community support and debugging, and OS support on modern hardware. I don't see many people developing open-source for DOS anymore, for instance. But let's assume you're right. Will bribing developers to develop applications really work? Wouldn't it be better to work with teams like INDT for applications like | 20:35 |
| tzz | Canola? I would say the money is better spent there. | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | hey, there are more open-source apps for linux than for windows, although windows has a larger userbase | 20:35 |
| tzz | guerby: my argument is not that 500 is not enough developers, it's that you're better off being nice to users who bought the 770. | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | I think less-expensive tablets are more like a lottery, in hopes that a developer will think "I have a cool programmable device here, why don't I try to port something to it" | 20:36 |
| guerby | tzz, I'm a user, made some minor bug reports, and I don't think Nokia should give something to me. (I bought a N800 anyway :) | 20:36 |
| tzz | mgedmin: Windows is missing open-source support on principle (rightly so). Even so, stuff like cygwin is very popular for those who have to use it. | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | yes | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | windows is not a pleasant environment for most open-source developers | 20:37 |
| rev | i know it isn't the same, but when discussing FOSS on windows, don't ignore the long and established shareware, freeware and PD scene that has been around DOS and Windows for many years | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | which supports my thesis that OSS developers do not follow the user base | 20:37 |
| tzz | rev: I'm not :) | 20:38 |
| guerby | tzz, and I believe Nokia initiative is excellent (except for the timing, they should have get the launch and the coupon at the same time but it's minor) | 20:38 |
| rev | OSS developers follow their own needs, pleasures and their own nose | 20:38 |
| tzz | I use Putty daily for instance... | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | hey, we were talking about FOSS, not about closed crap that most shareware apps are | 20:38 |
| rev | above all | 20:38 |
| rev | mgedmin: i know, but it's a part of the culture that factors in a discussion like this | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | I am inclined to agree that shareware developers do follow the user base | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | but the culture is different | 20:38 |
| rev | you see FOSS dev's following the userbase when it comes to a big, established app- KDE or Firefox, for instance | 20:39 |
| rev | but those projects make up a tiny fraction of the number of FOSS projects, and a minority of FOSS developers | 20:39 |
| tzz | mgedmin: again, you're simplifying. Why develop for Linux and not (fill in the blank open-source OS)? | 20:39 |
| rev | for the most part, FOSS developers follow their own desires, oftentimes at the expense of users who might end up using their app | 20:39 |
| rev | but you also see FOSS developers developing not specifically for Linux anymore | 20:40 |
| tzz | bigger community == better support in every way == faster development | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | good argument | 20:40 |
| rev | tzz: most Windows users don't code for Windows | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | people develop for linux because the developers use linux themselves | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | they use linux rather than some other OSS OS because it's the most popular of the OSS OSes | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | so indirectly developers do follow the user base | 20:40 |
| rev | but instead they're using SDL and the like- i don't use linux on my primary machine, but i don't have any problem finding FOSS apps (i'm on OS X), and most of the apps i download i see binaries or instructions for building on Linux, *BSD, OS X and Windows | 20:41 |
| tzz | right. The community around open source is what makes it viable. Without it, we'd be back in 1988. | 20:41 |
| rev | even without using a specific environment like cygwin, or if cygwin or mingw is used, it is invisible | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | but I do not think 3000 more 770 users will entice a horde of developers to drop, say, BSD, and start writing software for maemo | 20:41 |
| rev | i agree mgedmin | 20:41 |
| rev | frankly | 20:41 |
| tzz | rev: you're right. But when a developer has to write kernel-specific code, he usually does Linux first. | 20:41 |
| rev | a 50 euro discount for 3000 people won't get many of those 3000 people to buy a 770/800 when they hadn't before | 20:42 |
| rev | tzz: yeah, but how much is kernel-specific? | 20:42 |
| rev | tzz: very little, these days | 20:42 |
| tzz | rev: that's not my point. | 20:42 |
| koen | mgedmin: osx has a lot of opensource apps that cost a few euros | 20:42 |
| koen | mgedmin: which is probably the comprise between shareware and full blown FOSS | 20:43 |
| rev | tzz: but then what is your point? | 20:43 |
| rev | koen: xchat for windows is like that | 20:43 |
| rev | koen: it's shareware and FOSS | 20:43 |
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| tzz | rev: | 20:43 |
| tzz | ERC> rev: | 20:43 |
| tzz | ERC> rev: when a developer has to write kernel-specific code, he usually does Linux first. | 20:43 |
| tzz | sorry, ERC screwup. | 20:44 |
| roope | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/18/us700w-umpc-from-no-name-oem-makes-the-big-boys-look-bad/ | 20:44 |
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| jtra | tzz: ERC user, too? :-) | 20:44 |
| tzz | rev: maybe you're right that the discount, when spread out, won't matter too much. But I'd rather make users happy than bribe open-source developers. | 20:45 |
| tzz | jtra: yes, I love it. | 20:45 |
| rev | tzz: i agree with the sentiment to some extent, but i don't think the 3000 spead out discounts won't make much of a difference | 20:46 |
| tzz | let me put it this way. What if Microsoft offered $200 laptops to 500 key open-source developers? | 20:46 |
| tzz | Running Vista, not compatible with Linux, etc. | 20:46 |
| rev | tzz: i agree with your objection to the bribe. i don't quite see it that way, but i see it somewhere in between... i've not properly developed my thoughts on the matter, but see where you coming from and agree wit it to some extent | 20:46 |
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| rev | at the same time, i've been part of a similar thing and it did help me and the project quite a bit | 20:47 |
| rev | not for the maemo, but Alan Kay (you heard of him? ;P ) bought me a zaurus once to assist in the Squeak Smalltalk PDA work I was doing | 20:48 |
| rev | he's helped some other active squeak developers as well | 20:48 |
| rev | mind you, i think what Alan did is different than what Nokia is doing | 20:48 |
| tzz | so coming back to my parallel point. Take the 150K euro and pay 5 guys for a year to port existing apps to Hildon. Wouldn't that help us all more? | 20:48 |
| rev | because he helped a small number of people with an established need for hardware and an established track record for producing code and helping the project | 20:49 |
| rev | tzz: indeed, it might very well | 20:49 |
| rev | tzz: like i said before, most people who would want or need a 770 or 800 would alredy5 have one ... i don't think nokia buying them an 800 will get them to port or dev anything for maemo any faster | 20:49 |
| rev | tzz: but i do think hiring a small team for the same money WOULD result in that | 20:49 |
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| wumpus | does anyone know how to send the enter key in the maemo vncviewer? | 20:50 |
| arnnnn | is the gps for n800 or n770 only good for europe ? | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | wumpus: doesn't the enter key on the virtual keyboard do that? | 20:51 |
| arnnnn | can it be used in us ? | 20:51 |
| Pio | yeah, enter key on the stylus keyboard worked for me | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | arnnnn: gps works worldwide; I don't know about maps | 20:51 |
| wumpus | i can get this full screen keyboard and do an enter there, then confirm but it does not work for some reason | 20:51 |
| arnnnn | mgedmin, oh | 20:51 |
| tko | I'm fairly sure there's quite a big difference in cost between giving out manufactured devices and hiring people | 20:51 |
| wumpus | it puts [000a] in my xchat | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 20:52 |
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| mgedmin | interesting | 20:52 |
| Pio | yeah, weird | 20:52 |
| arnnnn | when will evince compatible for n800...? | 20:52 |
| Pio | some kind of unicode prob | 20:52 |
| tko | with devices it's more like potential profit not made, but hiring people is a money sink :) | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | I know that enter on the vkb is the same as the keypad enter on a keyboard | 20:52 |
| arnnnn | I need evince to access pdf bookmarks.. | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | maybe it's an xchat bug? | 20:52 |
| rev | tko: haha | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't trap KP_Enter and only looks at Enter? | 20:53 |
| wumpus | test | 20:53 |
| wumpus | nope | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | aaa | 20:53 |
| wumpus | that just works | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | no, works with a usb keyboard here | 20:53 |
| tzz | tko: yes. But I'm not talking about hiring, only sponsoring. | 20:54 |
| wumpus | mm it's the same when vnc'ing to windows and trying to get an enter into internet explorer after typing an url | 20:54 |
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| wumpus | isn't it possible to get the small keyboard on the bottom of the screen in vncviewer? | 20:54 |
| wumpus | the enter there works generally | 20:54 |
| Pio | yes it is | 20:54 |
| arnnnn | is it possible to hack n800 so its screen 'never dim out'? | 20:55 |
| wumpus | but not in the big fullscreen keyboard | 20:55 |
| Pio | one of those icons on the bottom bar does it.. | 20:55 |
| Pio | little pencil writing on a peice of paper iirc | 20:55 |
| wumpus | that gets the big one | 20:55 |
| Pio | really? thats weird | 20:55 |
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| p13 | hey guys | 20:56 |
| tko | GLOVES - take a good, hard look at your first revision and just say to yourself, "gloves." | 20:56 |
| etrunko | arnnnn: I hope I can build n800 compatible packages soon | 20:56 |
| tko | :) | 20:56 |
| Pio | normally i only ever get the thumb keyboard when i press the screen with a finger | 20:56 |
| arnnnn | etrunko, fyi I'm the guy who post recent comment on your site :) | 20:56 |
| arnnnn | etrunko, thank you in advance.. | 20:56 |
| Pio | wumpus, you are using a stylus right? | 20:57 |
| wumpus | sure | 20:57 |
| etrunko | arnnnn: no problem man. sorry for taking so long | 20:57 |
| p13 | does anyone experience opera crashing all the time when using a BT kb ? | 20:57 |
| * Pio stumped. . no time to load up my vnc now to play with it, too.. busy | 20:57 | |
| wumpus | i'm not trying to bash with my fingers on the screen :) | 20:57 |
| p13 | ie. enter some text in a form, press enter ant poof | 20:57 |
| p13 | i just use links now or minimo when i need graphics | 20:58 |
| p13 | still "?'|@#? annoying though | 20:58 |
| wumpus | this is with vncviewer 0.6 btw | 20:59 |
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| p13 | has anyone here tried to roll their own rootfs based on something like familiar with GPE or qtopia and running it on a 770 ? | 21:05 |
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| koen | p13: yes, using http://www.openembedded.org | 21:07 |
| tko | why bother with inferior stuff? | 21:07 |
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| p13 | tko, !!! | 21:07 |
| p13 | :) | 21:07 |
| koen | p13: it isn't usefull, since nokia refuses to opensource their binary stuff | 21:07 |
| p13 | seriously, just curious | 21:07 |
| p13 | koen, *nod* | 21:08 |
| p13 | what works, what doesn't ? | 21:08 |
| p13 | imnsho the least they could do after pretty much telling us support and updates are over for 770 users is help us gain that information | 21:08 |
| p13 | but their are probably IP issues as always | 21:08 |
| p13 | there* | 21:09 |
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| arnnnn | is there any instruction of how to use the webcam on n800 ? | 21:15 |
| p13 | shouldn't it launch something when you just push on it to make it pop out ? | 21:16 |
| p13 | i remember reading that | 21:16 |
| etrunko | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_camera_api_bora.html | 21:16 |
| etrunko | arnnnn: ^^ | 21:16 |
| arnnnn | etrunko, that's too ... | 21:17 |
| arnnnn | p13, I will try do that | 21:17 |
| p13 | etrunko, something tells me he isn't coding for it | 21:17 |
| arnnnn | yea right.. | 21:17 |
| p13 | or maybe he is | 21:18 |
| p13 | i'm confused | 21:18 |
| arnnnn | no I'm not coding... | 21:18 |
| p13 | aha ! | 21:18 |
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| p13 | :/ | 21:18 |
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| etrunko | so | 21:19 |
| arnnnn | is it possible to set n800 screen to 'never dim out' ? | 21:19 |
| * p13 is thinking of welding his 20D to his 770 | 21:19 | |
| p13 | webcamtablet | 21:19 |
| etrunko | when you pop the camera out the internet call app will be launched automatically | 21:19 |
| p13 | juuust like the 800 | 21:19 |
| arnnnn | when I read pdf , the screen always dim out before I finished | 21:19 |
| wumpus | hmm my n800 now refuses to download the package repository from http://repository.maemo.org/ it just hangs while downloading :/ | 21:19 |
| wumpus | Downloading 4Kb.. .then stops | 21:19 |
| s-ndh-c | how long did you wait? | 21:21 |
| s-ndh-c | sometimes it seems to be very slow | 21:21 |
| tko | arnnnn, dimming period can be configured from the display status bar plugin, and completely disabled with gconftool | 21:21 |
| s-ndh-c | maybe abort and try again | 21:21 |
| wumpus | I wait as long as I can, but it cancels itself | 21:21 |
| wumpus | seems some timeout | 21:21 |
| p13 | koen, could you upload an image somewhere of that openembedded environment ? Something to flash onto my 770, assuming it'll run. | 21:22 |
| wumpus | can I mirror the repository to some local server some way maybe? | 21:22 |
| wumpus | I mean, the list of packages :) | 21:22 |
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| s-ndh-c | wumpus: why not? you could mirror the whole repo | 21:22 |
| s-ndh-c | i dont think its that big | 21:22 |
| wumpus | true, I can't imagine it being very big, let's see | 21:23 |
| s-ndh-c | i think there is debmirror to mirror debian package repositorys | 21:23 |
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| wumpus | I'll give it a try | 21:25 |
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| arnnnn | tko, is gconf need to be installed first? or is it should be available already ? | 21:26 |
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| p13 | hey, yet another probably out of place question | 21:27 |
| p13 | is there anyway to overclock this thing ? | 21:27 |
| p13 | like you can with pocket pcs with xscale cpus | 21:27 |
| tko | arnnnn, gconftool or gconftool-2 is already installed | 21:27 |
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| arnnnn | tko, how do I run it..? | 21:28 |
| s-ndh-c | with xterm? | 21:29 |
| arnnnn | how do I open xterm...? | 21:30 |
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| tko | arnnnn, just see the display settings, the longest timeout period should be long enough | 21:31 |
| arnnnn | tko, the longest timeout is what I have and it's not long enough for me.. | 21:32 |
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| arnnnn | where can I get xterm for n800..? is http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/ works for n800 ? | 21:33 |
| roope | A slow reader, eh. :) | 21:35 |
| arnnnn | roope, yes... | 21:35 |
| s-ndh-c | arnnnn: try it, but i think in the internettablet os 2007 release there is another version of this installer thing, i think it will refuse to install packages made for the 2006 one | 21:36 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast it was like that btw 2005 and 2006 | 21:36 |
| wumpus | arnnnn: the one from the maemo-hackers.org repository works well | 21:37 |
| roope | I agree, there should be some option of ... 5 minutes max is very arbitrary. | 21:37 |
| wumpus | i just installed it as well, at least that repo works here :) | 21:37 |
| ||cw | it2005 and 6 had very different packaging layouts | 21:37 |
| arnnnn | wumpus, I will try that after work, thanks | 21:38 |
| ||cw | 2006 is more like a standard debian install, as is i expect 2007 | 21:38 |
| s-ndh-c | if you know what app does turn off the screen you could kill it and start using strace to see what file it writes to or whatever to dimout the screen | 21:38 |
| s-ndh-c | maybe that would reveal the needed informations how it works behind the scenes | 21:39 |
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| daniels | um, it's almost exactly the same as itos2005 and 2006, which is just using a file in sysfs | 21:39 |
| s-ndh-c | daniels: yeah i thought something like that | 21:39 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to send keystrokes to an running application on the n800 , and what do i have to do for doing that | 21:40 |
| roope | For instance if you play videos the screen doesn't dim at all, so use something similar. | 21:40 |
| s-ndh-c | i mean that it is only writting to some kernel interface | 21:40 |
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| daniels | it's not possible to fake keystrokes, since it's done by dsme (ugh) rather than the x server | 21:40 |
| ||cw | you look at maemo-mapper source and see how he did it | 21:41 |
| ||cw | could^ | 21:41 |
| |tbb| | :/, i like the built in picture viewer, but why ever they have not built in a slideshow | 21:41 |
| |tbb| | i was thinking with keystroke sending i could fake it, is it possible to simulate hitting the curserbotton | 21:43 |
| daniels | no, because it's done by dsme essentialy running tail -f /dev/input/event* | 21:44 |
| daniels | rather than the x server | 21:44 |
| |tbb| | anyone else got this problem, starting osso term the "Space" key isnt pushable be4 you touch at the xterm screen? | 21:47 |
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| gpd | can anyone confirm the tested 07 report that vpnc works on n800? i am having issues | 21:47 |
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| |tbb| | the tail command just show me ==>/deev/input/event0 <== | 21:52 |
| blub1 | ji | 21:52 |
| blub1 | }hi | 21:52 |
| jtokash | gpd - what kind of issues? It installs and starts up for me, but I can't connect. I haven't tried to connect with the 770, so I assume it's a configuration problem of some sort on my end. | 21:55 |
| gpd | /etc/vpnc/vpnc-script: /etc/vpnc/vpnc-script: 222: Syntax error: Bad for loop variable | 21:55 |
| blub1 | I got some question, what exactly is the advances and disadvantiges of R and D mode? | 21:55 |
| gpd | apparently it is related to ash -- not bash | 21:55 |
| gpd | jtokash: it then sits there - but doesn't say 'started' | 21:56 |
| c0ffee | hum | 21:57 |
| c0ffee | did you use the patched vpnc or the stock debian one? | 21:57 |
| gpd | jtokash: which version did you install _ the one from scriptkiller failed for me - so i tried the debian - SVN one - but i couldn't build iproute - - so then i just compiled vanilla and am running that | 21:57 |
| lardman|home | blub1: It allows you to use "sudo gainroot" and makes the on/off button more sensitive afaik | 21:57 |
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| c0ffee | there's one on garage | 21:58 |
| * gpd looks -- garage said no files last time i looked | 21:58 | |
| c0ffee | at least there's something in svn | 21:58 |
| blub1 | thanks lardman | 21:58 |
| c0ffee | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=117 | 21:59 |
| gpd | c0ffee: thanks - just looking for that :) | 21:59 |
| lardman|home | blub1: np. It is probably also required for usb-host mode and lifeguard reset switch off. Ought to be in the wiki really | 22:00 |
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| |tbb| | i installed becomeroot, then i do sudo gainroot and changed the hostname to another one, after that exit and again sudo gainroot, i dont get root permissions if i dont try hardly typing sudo gainroot again again and again whats that | 22:00 |
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| |tbb| | btw after setting the hostname back to the name before, sudo gainroot works like charme | 22:01 |
| blub1 | yeah I read the wiki one time..but it doesnt make sense at all for me...because one time in the wiki stays that its very riskfull to flash the nokia 770 and in another stood, it will be no problem...it confused me a little bit | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | tbb with vertical bars around your nick, have you changed /etc/hosts to make sure your new hostname can be resolved? | 22:02 |
| |tbb| | no, so thats the problem? there is written the old name, but why it works anyway if i try it hard? | 22:04 |
| |tbb| | the sudo gainroot command? | 22:04 |
| p13 | anyone here own an n800 ? | 22:05 |
| gpd | p13: yes | 22:05 |
| p13 | gpd, did you own a 770 prior to it ? | 22:05 |
| tko | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup2/notnice.gif hah :) | 22:05 |
| gpd | p13: no | 22:05 |
| p13 | tko, magical | 22:05 |
| p13 | gpd, ah, i was looking for someone to relay their experiences to me | 22:05 |
| p13 | as to how much faster it is | 22:05 |
| p13 | etc | 22:05 |
| tzz | anyone know the Hildon stuff? I have a quick question before I dive into the API docs. | 22:06 |
| |tbb| | i think much faster | 22:06 |
| |tbb| | but not for vid playing by now | 22:06 |
| tzz | p13: yes, 770 to N800 here. Much faster. Videos play slow with mplayer and fast with the "media player" | 22:07 |
| p13 | tzz, i am thinking of upgrading | 22:07 |
| p13 | BUT i don't like the new look | 22:07 |
| p13 | although it's pretty unfair to pass judgement already | 22:07 |
| p13 | i haven't seen one irl yet and pictures never do such a device justice | 22:08 |
| tzz | p13: the extra memory makes the N800 really good. I don't like the screen exposed, but otherwise it looks fine to me. | 22:08 |
| |tbb| | ppls who see the machine says oh it looks nice but i also prefer the old outlook | 22:08 |
| tzz | exposed vs. the 770 lid, I mean | 22:08 |
| p13 | tzz, i like the slide lide on my 770 very much | 22:08 |
| |tbb| | audio = superb | 22:08 |
| tzz | p13: so you'll need a case or velvet gloves. | 22:08 |
| p13 | does the screen retain the "grainy" feel the 770 had ? | 22:08 |
| tzz | p13: the screen is just as nice as the 770. It was sticky to the stylus the first 2 days, now it's fine. | 22:09 |
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| p13 | people all went raving mad over the quality screen of the 770 | 22:09 |
| p13 | the resolution is mad but tbh i'm not all that impressed | 22:09 |
| p13 | it's not evenly lit and it has a pretty high degree of discoloration | 22:09 |
| p13 | and mine has a stuck pixel too | 22:09 |
| tzz | so my Hildon question is, can you add the pop-up keyboard to anything, or is it only for GTK widgets? I want to add it to the Emacs buffers but haven't figured out how. | 22:10 |
| p13 | i particularly dislike the grainy look | 22:10 |
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| tzz | ...any pointer to docs would be welcome :) | 22:10 |
| p13 | isn't the popup kb tied into the X input layer directly ? | 22:10 |
| p13 | i should stfu though because i have no idea | 22:11 |
| tko | tzz, it works automagically for gtkentry and gtktextview only, is easy to use with gtk, for the rest there's some reverse engineered documentation in the wiki | 22:11 |
| tzz | p13: not for Emacs. I think it uses custom widgets, not standard GTK (being older than GTK by a long shot) | 22:11 |
| tzz | tko: thanks, I'll look at that. | 22:11 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:12 |
| p13 | tzz, i might go ahead and take the jump | 22:12 |
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| p13 | and upgrade | 22:12 |
| p13 | but not yet | 22:12 |
| tzz | tko: which wiki? the maemo.org/maemowiki? | 22:12 |
| p13 | on a sidenote (one that does not carry any realworld importance), i like the new theme/look of os2007 | 22:12 |
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| tko | tzz, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/InputMethod | 22:15 |
| p13 | tzz, is opera finally at a point where you could call it stable on os2007 ? | 22:15 |
| tzz | tko: thanks! | 22:15 |
| tzz | p13: hasn't crashed on me yet, but I don't browse the web much. | 22:15 |
| tzz | p13: the RSS reader is less stable, for sure. | 22:15 |
| p13 | tzz, the one in os2006 crashes on me constantly | 22:16 |
| p13 | tzz, so i've heard | 22:16 |
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| p13 | well, i live in belgium so chances are very slim i'll ever get to see one irl before buying one | 22:16 |
| p13 | and that's a damn shame | 22:16 |
| tzz | tko: exactly what I needed. I'm off to play with Emacs X windows. Gahh. | 22:18 |
| tzz | p13: the N800 is worth the money, IMHO. The only thing it really lacks right now is snapshots/movies from the webcam, and I'm sure that's coming. Good luck with it. | 22:19 |
| gpd | c0ffee: now i'm getting 'hash comparison failed: ... check group password!' - but I have the .pcf and used pcf2vpnc and it gives me a group password -- now lost | 22:19 |
| blub1 | have someone a idea how i can install packets on the nokia 770 without the programm manager? | 22:20 |
| p13 | blub1, apt-get | 22:20 |
| p13 | tzz, i'll wait a little longer till there is a new revision of OS2007 | 22:20 |
| blub1 | thx, but than I need w/lan connection or? | 22:20 |
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| tzz | blub1: you don't need a connection with the app manager, just install from file. apt-get needs a network connection. | 22:21 |
| pahartik | blub1: "dpkg --install" | 22:21 |
| gpd | c0ffee: the weird thing is that the pcf2vpnc script runs the decrypt url twice and asks for yes twice - but first time says - done - second says ommitted. | 22:21 |
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| keesj | Finally I get more spam in my inbox then maemo mail for a change | 22:23 |
| Molagi | where can i download mencoder? | 22:23 |
| s-ndh-c | i where you download mplayer too? | 22:25 |
| s-ndh-c | +guess | 22:25 |
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| sbaturzio | Wooohoooo! the N800 is arrived! | 22:26 |
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| Molagi | i can only find that media convertor | 22:26 |
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| s-ndh-c | Molagi: mencoder is part of the mplayer project | 22:28 |
| s-ndh-c | atleast that is my understanding | 22:28 |
| s-ndh-c | so go to mplayerhq website and download mencoder or install it via your systems package manager | 22:28 |
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| Molagi | ok | 22:29 |
| bhima | good morning. | 22:29 |
| bhima | <whine> Jabber deals terribly with multiple concurrent connections. </whine> | 22:29 |
| Molagi | cant find it | 22:30 |
| Molagi | from mplayerhq | 22:30 |
| Tak | it's part of the mplayer distribution | 22:31 |
| Tak | there's no separate download for mencoder | 22:31 |
| |tbb| | which text editor works with 0S7? | 22:31 |
| tko | bhima, jabber, or gaim? :) | 22:31 |
| bhima | tko: jabber. It seems that messages go to the last client that actually sent an outgoing message. | 22:32 |
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| tko | bhima, yes, I've heard gaim does that | 22:32 |
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| bhima | It's what the jabber servers do; iChat and the 770 both behave that way. | 22:33 |
| tko | when the sender is using gaim, I've heard | 22:33 |
| bhima | The senders in question weren't using GAIM... | 22:33 |
| bhima | If this sort of behaviour is remote client dependent, though, that seems terrible to me. | 22:34 |
| Molagi | hmm i downloaded mplayer for windows and it doesnt work | 22:36 |
| Molagi | opens the cmd line and in one second it closes | 22:36 |
| Tak | try running from the command line | 22:37 |
| lardman|home | Molagi: Because it's a command line app, you need to open a command window in the same dir as the executable, then run it | 22:37 |
| lardman|home | Molagi: If you run it without any inputs it just prints out the help and exits | 22:38 |
| Molagi | ok | 22:38 |
| Molagi | whats the command for running it from cmd | 22:38 |
| lardman|home | mplayer | 22:39 |
| lardman|home | same as the name of the exe, without the .exe bit if you don't want to include it | 22:40 |
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| Molagi | ok | 22:41 |
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| lardman|home | Molagi: Hmm, reading back, you want mencoder don't you. Should be in the same direcory but called mencoder of course | 22:46 |
| guerby | openvpn+liblzo1 works on N800, kewl | 22:47 |
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| Molagi | yeah | 22:58 |
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| nelson | So, Dewayne Hendricks was suggesting that he liked the iPhone for its wifi and didn't care that it was also a cellphone, so I pointed him at the N800. | 23:09 |
| atla | :) | 23:10 |
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| wumpus | I still can't get an enter into vncviewer, this is too strange | 23:15 |
| wumpus | heck even if there was a 'send key -> enter' I'd be happy.. | 23:16 |
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| wumpus | suppose I need to set up a cross compiler anyway one of these days | 23:16 |
| onion | playing with gst.. pretty sweet system | 23:20 |
| onion | my desktop i playing a mod file and encoding it to mp3 and pushing it to the 770 | 23:21 |
| onion | fun stuff | 23:21 |
| keesj | piknapsu, the second install went a lot better apparently I did no have enough free disk space and the installer did not see that (sbin is nog longer empty and is all works fine) | 23:22 |
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| Molagi | hmm | 23:30 |
| onion | the dsp does not like me :) | 23:31 |
| onion | crashed the mp3 decoder twice now | 23:31 |
| Molagi | im trying to access my files trough xterm and it says sh: mmc1/: Permission denied | 23:31 |
| Molagi | whats the problem | 23:32 |
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| pahartik | Molagi: what kind of command are you trying to execute? | 23:33 |
| Molagi | mmc1/ | 23:34 |
| Molagi | is it wrong | 23:34 |
| pahartik | Molagi: yes, most probably | 23:34 |
| Molagi | im trying to find my movie | 23:34 |
| pahartik | Molagi: "ls -lh mmc1/" | 23:34 |
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| Molagi | hmm | 23:35 |
| Molagi | oh so my stuff is in mmc2 | 23:35 |
| Molagi | whats the command for executing mplayer with -vo xv | 23:36 |
| Molagi | it couldnt find it when i just typed mplayer -vo xv lost36.avi | 23:36 |
| Molagi | "cant find lost36.avi" | 23:37 |
| pahartik | Molagi: "mplayer -vo xv" is correct | 23:37 |
| tzz | tko: it seems that Emacs is using GTK windows, so I don't see why the Hildon behavior is not happening. Maybe they do special behavior modifications. I'll have to ask maemo-developers I guess. | 23:37 |
| Molagi | ok | 23:37 |
| Molagi | so whats a command for including the path for lost36.avi | 23:37 |
| * bhima wonders if the local compusa has the N800 in yet... | 23:37 | |
| pahartik | Molagi: just specify either relative or absolute path to file with content | 23:38 |
| Molagi | is it mplayer -vo xv /media/mmc2/lost36.avi | 23:39 |
| pahartik | Molagi: could be like that, for absolute path | 23:39 |
| Molagi | ooh worked | 23:40 |
| Molagi | still chugs a bit even with the -vo | 23:40 |
| pahartik | Molagi: "mplayer -vo xv lost36.avi" would work if your "pwd" is already "/media/mmc2/" (for example you might have executed "cd /media/mmc2/" before) | 23:41 |
| Molagi | ok | 23:42 |
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| Molagi | am i the only one who has problems with mplayer on n800 | 23:45 |
| Molagi | the video chugs | 23:45 |
| pahartik | Molagi: you are in middle of "learn basic Unix skills from scratch" -operation? | 23:46 |
| Molagi | yeah | 23:46 |
| Molagi | bought this n800 and learning how to use it ;D | 23:47 |
| pahartik | Molagi: well, good way to start | 23:47 |
| ssvb | Molagi: also try adding -nozoom option just in case | 23:49 |
| ||cw | Molagi: what size framerate and bitrate? | 23:49 |
| ssvb | Molagi: we must be absolutely sure that it does not try doing *software* scaling | 23:49 |
| Molagi | well my testvideo is 420x240 with 128 video bitrate | 23:49 |
| Molagi | where do i add the -nozoom | 23:50 |
| ssvb | to the command line | 23:50 |
| Molagi | mplayer -vo -nozoom xv lost36.avi | 23:51 |
| Molagi | like that? | 23:51 |
| ssvb | no, 'mplayer -vo xv -nozoom lost36.avi' | 23:51 |
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| Molagi | ok | 23:51 |
| ssvb | you can't split '-vo xv' | 23:51 |
| Molagi | still chugs | 23:52 |
| Molagi | its like warping | 23:52 |
| daniels | that'll happen, probably. video performance won't be stellar until the next firmware update (i.e. the one after 2006-51) | 23:53 |
| Molagi | ok | 23:53 |
| Molagi | so other people have that problem also? | 23:53 |
| Molagi | warping video | 23:53 |
| Molagi | now it froze | 23:53 |
| daniels | freezing shouldn't happen, though ;) | 23:54 |
| Molagi | working again | 23:54 |
| Molagi | shall see if it freezes again | 23:54 |
| daniels | bear in mind that if you're reading from the flash or memory card, that takes time too | 23:54 |
| ssvb | Molagi: I see, it can't be helped then, I just need to get that N800 device to debug mplayer on it :) | 23:55 |
| Molagi | ok ;d | 23:55 |
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| ssvb | daniels: mplayer on maemo uses some cache by default, so reading flash theoretically should not be a problem | 23:56 |
| Molagi | this video freezes like every one minute | 23:57 |
| Molagi | well gotta stick to the media player before the new working versions of mplayer is released | 23:58 |
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