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| Guardian | morning akk | 10:42 |
| Guardian | all | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:42 |
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| MDK | hey qgil | 11:13 |
| qgil | hi MDK | 11:14 |
| qgil | lately I only read good thinks about you and your D cruisade :) | 11:14 |
| qgil | things | 11:14 |
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| MDK | qgil: yeah, I'm trying to create a whole D bundle for 770 | 11:22 |
| MDK | I think it makes sense | 11:23 |
| qgil | new languages for new platforms, sounds sensible | 11:23 |
| qgil | (I'm saying this having no clue about D, but I'm a Concepts Victim) | 11:24 |
| Guardian | . | 11:24 |
| qgil | good luck MDK, sounds like an interesting project - good for GNOME as well | 11:24 |
| MDK | wel, D is a natural upgrade over C I'd say | 11:25 |
| MDK | very similiar to C# in terms of semantics | 11:26 |
| MDK | but compiles to native code, like C | 11:26 |
| MDK | I used to think C# is a way to go | 11:26 |
| MDK | but after the whole novell/ms thing I'm not so sure about it | 11:26 |
| MDK | not that I join the "panic club" | 11:27 |
| MDK | but there is just too much confusion/politics in all that | 11:27 |
| inz | I'll stick with C | 11:34 |
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| MDK | inz: C is not a solution to develop more complex stuff | 11:35 |
| MDK | software is becoming too complex | 11:35 |
| MDK | or rather -- it's too expensive to develop higher-level stuff with C | 11:35 |
| MDK | gobject is a shit hole | 11:36 |
| suihkulokki | MDK: mono (and shitload of other FOSS code) will only get lawsuits and nastystuff(tm) when microsoft is in the same market position as SCO was 3 years ago | 11:38 |
| MDK | suihkulokki: possibly. The question remains -- will it hurt it | 11:39 |
| MDK | lawsuits might hurt novell, but community/usage is another thing | 11:40 |
| suihkulokki | MDK: I think it'll end like decss, the code and support will be there, but you need to gets bits from somewhere | 11:41 |
| MDK | in any case, the recent moves by novell seem pretty chaotic | 11:44 |
| MDK | maybe they're just drowning much faster than everybody else | 11:45 |
| MDK | hopefully not | 11:45 |
| qgil | what I like is the fact that every time a non-fully-free-of-suspition free option gets some kind of trouble (or quick success) there is people happy to work on a reliable 100x100% free alternative | 11:48 |
| qgil | (I'm saying this having no clue about C#, but I'm a Concepts Victim) ;) | 11:48 |
| MDK | hehe | 11:49 |
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| florian_kc | good morning | 13:07 |
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| timeless | i'm now positively impressed, someone fixed something | 13:13 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: ? | 13:19 |
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| timeless | i can't say more :) | 13:19 |
| timeless | i complained about something amazingly stupid and someone tested something and verified it didn't need to be stupid | 13:20 |
| timeless | so a bug was filed and it will be fixed | 13:20 |
| timeless | or rather, it's fixed and some day people will see it | 13:20 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: is this bug in bugs.maemo.org? ;-) | 13:49 |
| timeless | i asked someone else to file the three or four related bugs | 13:50 |
| timeless | no idea where they filed them | 13:50 |
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| Guard][an | anyone knows how GtkIMMulticontext class has to be used ? | 16:00 |
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| pahartik | on Maemo 2.1 Opera, is there hidden way to switch between "Document Mode" and "User Mode"? | 16:57 |
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| kender | hello | 17:23 |
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| hub | anybody knows where Dates store the data? | 18:23 |
| koen | inside the eds store | 18:24 |
| koen | which nokia moved from its default location | 18:24 |
| koen | just to make it easier | 18:24 |
| koen | *cough* | 18:24 |
| hub | I just upgraded to Dates 0.2 and it LOST my calendar | 18:24 |
| hub | so I'm trying to figure out where to hack | 18:24 |
| Tak | try reenabling the calendar from the menu | 18:25 |
| hub | but maybe it is a lost hope | 18:25 |
| hub | that's retarded | 18:25 |
| hub | Tak: it works, thanks | 18:25 |
| Tak | heh | 18:25 |
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| greentux | hi florian_kc | 18:51 |
| florian_kc | hi greentux | 18:53 |
| greentux | florian_kc: can I call you by phone? | 18:54 |
| florian_kc | greentux: you can... hmm as soon as i found our temporary number | 18:55 |
| greentux | florian_kc: on the website there is aphone number ;) | 18:55 |
| greentux | florian_kc: ah you moved... | 18:55 |
| qgil | Question from someone moving to helsinki in 10 days: if I have cable in the house do I need to contract a phone line as well or do people deal with mobile phones and voip? | 18:58 |
| qgil | I'm asking about current habits and trends :) | 18:58 |
| inz | people do deal with mobile phones | 18:59 |
| inz | voip might be trickier | 18:59 |
| inz | At least I | 18:59 |
| inz | had a cable internet connection in helsinki without a land line | 18:59 |
| qgil | inz: i'm thinking of voip for calling abroad and receiving internartional calls, where maybe mobiles are too expensive? | 19:01 |
| qgil | maybe gizmo can help here | 19:01 |
| inz | If you have a phone number for your voip, I guess there's no problem using that | 19:02 |
| suihkulokki | qgil: you can get both cable and DSL connections without landline. | 19:03 |
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| qgil | suihkulokki: mmm... do you mean paying dsl as well as cable? | 19:06 |
| qgil | an objective woiuld be to pay just one service | 19:06 |
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| suihkulokki | qgil: no, I meant you don't need landline even if you choose dsl instead of cable | 19:07 |
| hub | qgil: calling cell phones in europe is a huge scam | 19:08 |
| hub | :-/ | 19:08 |
| qgil | suihkulokki: ah well, yes, this is what I have now in Spain, but since the house is equipped with cablñe and perhaps we miss some international tv... | 19:08 |
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| lle | hub: umm, from whose perspective? | 19:09 |
| hub | lle: the caller | 19:09 |
| hub | whose do you think? | 19:09 |
| lle | hub: as in, how? | 19:09 |
| hub | lle: Canada -> France, .07$/min. Canada -> France (cell), .27$/min | 19:09 |
| hub | lle: you need more?> | 19:09 |
| qgil | calling mobile phones is a secondary priority, it's more about relatives and the usual friends at nights and weekends - typical homesick phone contact ;) | 19:10 |
| hub | lle: some all across the world actually BUT for north america | 19:10 |
| hub | qgil: people calling you on your mobile phone, that's what I meant | 19:10 |
| hub | qgil: from abroad | 19:10 |
| lle | hub: ah, you mean that it's more expensive than local calls, well. uhm. | 19:10 |
| hub | lle: NO, I mean it cost me more to call a cell than to call a land line from Canada to the same country | 19:11 |
| hub | and by more it is like 4 times | 19:11 |
| hub | and when I was in France it cost me more to call a cell in France from a land-line than Canada | 19:11 |
| suihkulokki | hub: it's still cheaper than international calls used be.. | 19:11 |
| hub | so distance does not matter | 19:11 |
| hub | suihkulokki: *used* to | 19:11 |
| qgil | hub: ah yes, but we all know that - this is why voip could come into play: call me to my mobile if it's urgent, otherwise call to this voip number from your normal phone and my 770 or my laptop or my voip phone will ring | 19:11 |
| lle | hub: that's seriously no news to anyone ;) | 19:12 |
| hub | lle: so why do you argue? | 19:12 |
| lle | hub: I argued? I just didn't see how it was more of an issue than normally | 19:12 |
| suihkulokki | hub: the current cheap landline rates is simply operators trying keep people from disconnecting their landlines (which typically are not much used anymore but have hefty monthly bill) | 19:12 |
| hub | bottom line I never call my parents on their cell, they always call me on my cell :-) | 19:13 |
| hub | suihkulokki: "cheap"? | 19:13 |
| hub | not really | 19:13 |
| suihkulokki | whatever | 19:13 |
| lle | same | 19:13 |
| qgil | ok guys, thanks for your feedback | 19:16 |
| qgil | my first conclusion is that I'll start digging the cable possibilities combined with the nice mobile phone I hope to get at work ;) | 19:17 |
| qgil | perhaps this will be enough to solve calls & internet & international tv | 19:17 |
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| hub | qgil: you'll get an Ericsson phone ? ;-0 | 19:18 |
| * hub runs | 19:18 | |
| qgil | I've some Motorola that are pretty cool actually :P | 19:18 |
| qgil | I've seen | 19:18 |
| * hub has a Moto | 19:18 | |
| * hub does not work for a phone manufacturer | 19:18 | |
| hub | it did replace my Nokia that died | 19:19 |
| * desrt is sure to bring a moto to guadec this year, steal quim's phone, slip out the sim card and toss it in the moto | 19:19 | |
| * qgil has to read carefully the terms and conditions when he gets the lended mobile from Nokia | 19:20 | |
| desrt | only lended? | 19:20 |
| hub | as long as they don't give you a crackberry | 19:20 |
| hub | :-) | 19:20 |
| hub | desrt: no freebies | 19:21 |
| desrt | very odd. | 19:21 |
| qgil | (in the meantime I'll keep my ol' cheap alcatel for the people calling to my current spanish number) | 19:21 |
| qgil | i believe it's not given - as the laptop you get | 19:21 |
| hub | ah | 19:21 |
| desrt | it'll be nice if voip really takes off | 19:21 |
| desrt | imagine phone-by-google | 19:21 |
| hub | alcatel, that why people at alcatel have Motorola phones :-) | 19:22 |
| qgil | I'd say it's closer than it seems | 19:22 |
| desrt | http://phone.google.com?q=quim+gil | 19:22 |
| desrt | *ring* | 19:22 |
| hub | desrt: "all you conversations are belong to us" | 19:22 |
| desrt | then you don't have to worry about "my spanish number" vs. "my new number", etc | 19:22 |
| desrt | hub; nah. they'd just be the search service | 19:22 |
| desrt | it would actually be interesting to hijack google for uses like this | 19:23 |
| desrt | just invent some keyword like phonesearchunlikelyname12345 | 19:24 |
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| desrt | then publish some spec somewhere that says you should create an HTML page containing the phrase "phonesearchunlikelyname12345 your name" and proceed to get yourself listed on google | 19:24 |
| desrt | then people can use (the normal) google to find an html page with your phone number in some meta tag | 19:25 |
| qgil | desrt: forget phone numbers, go semantic | 19:26 |
| qgil | you should be able to shout to your [multimedia portable device] something like "please find f***** desrt right now!" | 19:27 |
| hub | but I'm in a desert? | 19:27 |
| hub | s/?/!/ | 19:27 |
| desrt | ya. that system doesn't work if you can't pronounce the person's name :) | 19:28 |
| qgil | the device would reply " who you mean, that Canadian guy saying "ai" at GUADEC?" - remember devices will have bigger/better memory | 19:28 |
| desrt | :) | 19:28 |
| desrt | the system would be cool for these reasons: | 19:29 |
| qgil | semantics go nowhere without foaf | 19:29 |
| desrt | 1) if you change your number, since you control the html page, you can change it instantly | 19:29 |
| desrt | 2) same popularity metrics as google already does | 19:29 |
| desrt | 3) you could even have some sort of cgi script to give different numbers for different times during the day | 19:29 |
| desrt | and btw -- it's "eh?" :) | 19:30 |
| mgedmin | heh, it could play 20 questions at you | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | "is that the guy you met at GUADEC?" | 19:31 |
| desrt | "is the entity you are calling an animal mineral or vegetable?" | 19:32 |
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| qgil | imagine, before having a conversation with your friends you could have a conversation with your device - making your friends almost useless ;) | 19:33 |
| Tak | yeah, that sounds about like my friends ;-) | 19:34 |
| qgil | My device answers: "If you want to talk to the "desrt" I'm thinking of, I have to tell you that I got bad karma reports lately from "hub", that guy so well ranked in your del.icio.rkut profile" | 19:35 |
| desrt | del.icio.rkut is a delicious concept | 19:36 |
| qgil | ... in the meantime I'll try the cable - even if at the end of 2007 I would probably watch more online video time than broadcats tv... | 19:36 |
| desrt | next step, of course, is del.icio.rkutr | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | beta | 19:38 |
| * mgedmin likes it that flickr is in gamma already | 19:38 | |
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| pahartik | damn, sometimes I wish I had job... but then I fall back to reality soon enough | 20:00 |
| keesj | pahartik: wazzup | 20:02 |
| hub | pahartik: I wish I had a better job | 20:03 |
| hub | one with real consideration | 20:03 |
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| pahartik | keesj: networking experiments | 20:05 |
| keesj | My nokia was experimenting with the network this morning.it nagged about some kind of invalid mac address when I tried to connect to it | 20:06 |
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| kender | hi | 20:15 |
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| kender | timeless, are you there? | 20:18 |
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| tko | urgh. sb1.0 toolchain comes with older libtool than the toolchain for sb0.9 | 20:23 |
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| Guardian | re | 21:53 |
| * pahartik thinks that annoying flanger effect on MPEG ADTS audio layer 2 content when played by Nokia 770 DSP is strictly related to "joint stereo" encoding | 21:54 | |
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| keesj | pahartik: do you use the 770 for field testing? | 22:03 |
| pahartik | keesj: define "field testing"? | 22:12 |
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| keesj | I mean , using the n770 for working purposes like /network/security testing | 22:16 |
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| pahartik | keesj: Nokia 770 is replacement for Handspring Visor Edge... Bluetooth network is important nowadays | 22:31 |
| pahartik | keesj: I want to carry IRC all over in pocket :) | 22:33 |
| pahartik | keesj: I do not care about security of others much enough to perform 802.11 testing :) | 22:38 |
| keesj | pahartik: that is a pretty great upgrade( Visor Edge v.s. 770) I would say, how do you stay connected to irc? do you use some kind of proxy? | 22:41 |
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| pahartik | keesj: "irssi" is running as proxy (and client under "screen") on my Alpha server... I create tunnels with SSH, so that remote IRC clients can connect to "localhost"... | 22:48 |
| pahartik | keesj: same thing with HTTP, IMAP, SMTP, NNTP clients... all go fine through SSH port redirection | 22:50 |
| pahartik | keesj: and yes, Nokia 770 is not direct upgrade from Handspring Visor Edge... I did carry Apple iBook G4 all over for two years, and now I do not need to take it along everywhere | 22:54 |
| keesj | I would like to use xchat. perhaps like described here http://deb.riseup.net/desktop/dircproxy/ | 22:58 |
| keesj | I have several linux routers at home that can run this kind of apps | 22:59 |
| pahartik | keesj: sure, SSL is nice, but SSH is easier to set up... and I have used standalone IRC proxies too, even before "irssi" existed | 23:02 |
| * pahartik does not understand SSL well enough yet | 23:07 | |
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| pahartik | keesj: oh, and... SSH supports compression before encryption... I think SSL by itself does not have such feature | 23:10 |
| mgedmin | speaking of irc proxies, I just saw a blog post about that: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=226 | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | somebody recomends BIP | 23:12 |
| Tak | I use dircproxy | 23:14 |
| keesj | Tak: with what front-end? | 23:20 |
| Tak | several frontends | 23:20 |
| Tak | bitchx, xchat | 23:21 |
| Tak | I even used to use gaim with it | 23:21 |
| keesj | aparently there are many way's of doing it , even with irssi :(. I am going to try to setup VI as irc proxy | 23:26 |
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| Tak | I bet emacs has one built in ;-) | 23:29 |
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| keesj | thanks for the info:) | 23:36 |
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